Official UFC Thread

[TheVileOne]

He served his suspension for the PED thing.

His real estate issue has nothing to do with UFC/MMA. He plead guilty, paid his fine, his real estate license was revoked, end of story.

Like other UFC fighters don't have criminal history and have never been arrested before.

****ing ********. Look at what Rampage did. Should Rampage be barred from UFC for going on a tear with his car?

[DoomsdayApex]

Is that the best debate point you can muster? His Federal crimes are not related to his MMA career? I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. If Sonnen had killed a man by running him over with his SUV, should he be allowed to fight just because this case pertains nothing to his MMA career?

Not f**king good enough. People b***h and whine about those who took the legs from underneath the economy, and yet you fans are willing to let a man who has committed similar crimes walk away so easily? What he received was a cheap slap on the wrist, and you know it.

It's these types of comments which disgust me. Anyone with fame and/or funds is free to break the law, and suffer minor repercussions afterwards.

The same goes for Rampage. I love the fighter but he should have served time. Luckily, Zuffa provided Jackson with an outstanding lawyer.

[Project862006]

i watch them for their mma fighting not what they do outside the cage

to be honest it is none of my business i pay to see them fight not what they do outside the fight game

[DoomsdayApex]

That's the point. You fans could care less about what a fighter does as soon as he takes off those gloves. It's sickening.

By that logic, I assume Adolf Hitler would have a rather large fan base because of his charisma, while his efforts to exterminate the Jewish people would probably be ignored.

Hey, so long as he's an entertaining figure, right?

[Project862006]

why should i care what he does in his own private life and time i have my own life and problems to worry about

oh comparing sonnen to hitler

really?

[DoomsdayApex]

why should i care what he does in his own private life and time i have my own life and problems to worry about

oh comparing sonnen to hitler

really?


Nevermind :whatever:

[Superboy-Prime]

It's quite hilarious for a fan to always try to defend Sonnen.

Chael committed acts of money laundering, fraud, lying to Federal investigators, and usage of Performance Enhancement Drugs.

An average joe would likely gotten a 15 year sentence.

He wasn't taking PED's he was taking synthetic testosterone for his Hypogonadism. The reason why he got in trouble was because he didn't delcare he had Hypogonadism to the Athletic commission. If he declared, he would not have got in trouble.

[Superboy-Prime]

Nevermind :whatever:

You say alot of dumb things. And I am sure that holocaust survivors and a whole race would be happy that you compared genocide to money laundering, fraud and suspiciously high levels of testosterone that were not declared for medical treatment. Douche.

[TheVileOne]

Once again, plenty of current and former UFC fighters have broken the law, been convicted, or arrested and they still had successful careers.

Sonnen's white collar crime whatever it was has nothing to do with his UFC career and honestly I don't give a ****. He plead guilty and he was served his punishment. There you go. Booker T robbed a store once, was arrested and did jail time. Should we all hate Booker T? Sonnen didn't beat his spouse. He didn't murder anyone. He wasn't dealing drugs. Whatever.

Jay Hieron is a fighter I really like and respect. He's a recovering drug addict and he used to be a dealer. He doesn't do that crap anymore. He got out of it. Should I hate and resent Hieron and not root for him against Ben Askren?

[El Bastardo]

Wasn't Melvin Guillard a crack addict? Who ****ing cares. It's over and done with.

lol, Chael Sonnen = Hitler.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is that the best debate point you can muster? His Federal crimes are not related to his MMA career? I'm sorry, but I call BS on that. If Sonnen had killed a man by running him over with his SUV, should he be allowed to fight just because this case pertains nothing to his MMA career?

Not f**king good enough. People b***h and whine about those who took the legs from underneath the economy, and yet you fans are willing to let a man who has committed similar crimes walk away so easily? What he received was a cheap slap on the wrist, and you know it.

It's these types of comments which disgust me. Anyone with fame and/or funds is free to break the law, and suffer minor repercussions afterwards.

The same goes for Rampage. I love the fighter but he should have served time. Luckily, Zuffa provided Jackson with an outstanding lawyer.

These guys didn't suffer minor repercussions.
http://i.imgur.com/7jZSg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fapU1.jpg

Oh wait, that's right, they're black of course they didn't get away with it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He wasn't taking PED's he was taking synthetic testosterone for his Hypogonadism. The reason why he got in trouble was because he didn't delcare he had Hypogonadism to the Athletic commission. If he declared, he would not have got in trouble.

Right...and Barry Bonds didn't..."knowingly" use PEDs. I'm not discounting the biological issues that he may need testosterone for. But I really doubt that is the whole story or it's as simple as that.

Call me jaded, but almost anytime an athlete gets caught I don't believe a word they say.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Amazing card last night, I like how people still keep hating on Silva and doubting him as a great fighter.

When his heart has been in it, which it hasn't been lately, he destroys people and shows just how wide the gap is between his skill and talent and everyone else's.

[Superboy-Prime]

Right...and Barry Bonds didn't..."knowingly" use PEDs. I'm not discounting the biological issues that he may need testosterone for. But I really doubt that is the whole story or it's as simple as that.

Call me jaded, but almost anytime an athlete gets caught I don't believe a word they say.

Keith Kizer stated that he did not tell the Athletic commission he was not going through Testosterone replacement therapy and thats what got him in hot water. It's the same deal for Nate Marquardt, except he contacted the commission about it and did not get his levels back down to normal in time for his fight.

I'm not defending Chael Sonnen but whenever an athlete gets in trouble for drugs people automatically assume its PED's and that they are nothing but scum bag cheaters.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Keith Kizer stated that he did not tell the Athletic commission he was not going through Testosterone replacement therapy and thats what got him in hot water. It's the same deal for Nate Marquardt, except he contacted the commission about it and did not get his levels back down to normal in time for his fight.

I'm not defending Chael Sonnen but whenever an athlete gets in trouble for drugs people automatically assume its PED's and that they are nothing but scum bag cheaters.


My jadedness aside.

I don't really care what the reasons are. They knowingly, took, used, injected, swallowed, whatever, hell even with medical advise/approval. Doesn't make it an excuse period.

Is it against the rules? Yup. Did they take the proper steps to inform everyone they needed to ahead of time? No, or they tried but X didn't happen.

So they still break the rules? Yes. So that's cheating? Yes.

I knew I was drunk, but I had to drive to get home, I meant to tell everyone, but I forgot. Oh, but I had plenty of time to call a cab ahead of time and didn't. My bad. That's the same logic.

Honestly I don't care if athletes use PEDs...IF, they are up front about it, honest about it and IF their respective sports would allow them. It would make everything a lot easier.

MMA is a great example of a sport where there isn't a long, often overly romanticized history with legends and records that are valued more than the constitution. So if X fighter is clean and X fighter is using PEDs there should be some rules in place that would allow those fights to take place, or not take place. I'm totally fine with that.

But with Baseball and other sports, my issue, is with athletes, such as Bonds, A-Rod, Sosa and others being put next to the likes of Mays, Ruth, Aaron and other athletes for as far as we know, played the game straight up.

I really don't care if Bonds used at all, but don't tell me you had no idea, when you fully did and then don't pretend to be better than someone like Mays or Aaron who didn't have the help of HGH, Anabolic steroids and other substances that are proven to enhance athletic ability, and the overall human physiology.

Do I think they're scumbags? No. Douchebags? Yes, if they're trying to hide the fact that what they did should be cherished and put on the same pedestal as someone that did it with nothing more than hard work.

I'm not saying Sonnen is in the same league either way or not as Bonds. I am just saying, he knew and knows it is against UFC rules. Plain and simple, he cheated.

The leagues, commissions, Olympics, fans, we're all guilty. We want to see the biggest, best, strongest, fastest, hardest hitting, et cetera. So they give the people want they want to sell tickets and make money and they in turn cover up a lot of the big names that get caught.

I personally just like to know that hey, Ken Griffy Jr. was clean and despite what he could have been, this is what he was with just his own natural ability and hard work. Where as, who knows how great Bonds actually would have been if he hadn't taken PEDs?

Maybe he wouldn't have been the greatest slugger, but maybe he would have been the greatest baseball player ever?

[misjuevos]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/347772/Is-Overeem-UFC-bound/

overeem might fight on the fox card who knows

[Mace Bloodstone]

I'm sure he will end up in the UFC by the first of the year. It would be nice to see some new faces in the heavyweight mix.

[TheVileOne]

I hope they don't make Shogun/Machida 3 for Fox. That fight to me doesn't make sense now. To me, Shogun really beat Machida fight. I think the fight only makes sense again if it's for a title or it's later down the line and it makes sense. Now I don't think it really does.

If Hendo does come back to UFC, I would love to see him fight Shogun at light heavyweight. That would be a dream matchup on PPV for me. Also IMHO a tossup. Would love to see Hendo's right hand vs. Shogun's chin and see if an in shape and injury free Shogun can deal with Hendo's punching power and wrestling with his BJJ sweeps and Muay Thai.

One thing I've noticed from Shogun is that he's become a bit more technical in this part of his career. He's not quite as fast or aggressive as he used, but he's still got granite in his hands. When Shogun ground and pounds you, he puts you to sleep. I mean just think about this, Shogun has 17 knockout wins out of his 20 career wins. That includes Rampage Jackson, Machida, Forrest Griffin, and Alistair Overeem (x2).

I don't think UFC will be able to resist Silva/Sonnen 2 at some point. Now I think Stann has a shot at beating Sonnen because he's a good striker. However, I don't think he's got the subs of a Demian Maia or Anderson Silva. I don't think he will be able to catch Sonnen in a sub by those guys.

I think Okami should maybe fight Belfort next. Or Belfort vs. Leben.

[CrypticOne]

Congrats to Big Nog! Amazing performance. I'm really glad Schaub lost. My friends tell me he is really cocky in the gym. So I'm glad Big Nog put him in his place.

I hope Anderson Silva moves up to LHW.

I agree, I hope they don't make Machida/Shogun 3. At least, now right now. Have Shogun fight Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, or Dan Henderson. Machida can fight one of those guys too.

[misjuevos]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/347848/Carwin-Reem-told-me-he-expects-to-be-in-UFC-before-2012/

post on the UG from carwin, he spoke to overeem.

I had a chance to speak with him at the Magic Convention in Las Vegas (no we were not the big and tall models) and he said that he and Dana were close to a deal and he would likely be in the UFC before 2012. I think he would make a great addition to the roster.
When I decided that I was going to try for the UFC the HWT division was not nearly as stacked as it is today. The up and coming guys have tons of talent and heart and the top of the division is full of super talented guys. I am excited about all of the potential fights. I have gone to war with many of these guys in my mind and I can't wait for an opportunity to hit and be ht by them.
Good times....

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I hope they don't make Shogun/Machida 3 for Fox. That fight to me doesn't make sense now. To me, Shogun really beat Machida fight. I think the fight only makes sense again if it's for a title or it's later down the line and it makes sense. Now I don't think it really does.

If Hendo does come back to UFC, I would love to see him fight Shogun at light heavyweight. That would be a dream matchup on PPV for me. Also IMHO a tossup. Would love to see Hendo's right hand vs. Shogun's chin and see if an in shape and injury free Shogun can deal with Hendo's punching power and wrestling with his BJJ sweeps and Muay Thai.

One thing I've noticed from Shogun is that he's become a bit more technical in this part of his career. He's not quite as fast or aggressive as he used, but he's still got granite in his hands. When Shogun ground and pounds you, he puts you to sleep. I mean just think about this, Shogun has 17 knockout wins out of his 20 career wins. That includes Rampage Jackson, Machida, Forrest Griffin, and Alistair Overeem (x2).

I don't think UFC will be able to resist Silva/Sonnen 2 at some point. Now I think Stann has a shot at beating Sonnen because he's a good striker. However, I don't think he's got the subs of a Demian Maia or Anderson Silva. I don't think he will be able to catch Sonnen in a sub by those guys.

I think Okami should maybe fight Belfort next. Or Belfort vs. Leben.

They are literally running out of opponents. Yes, there are still plenty for Silva to fight, but he makes top talent look foolish and let's be honest the average run of the mill MMA/UFC fan has no idea who Okami is, or was before this fight.


They need to put him up against some more top talent or big names. I mean he is getting older, so it is only a matter of time before someone beats him, but I don't want to see him lose due to old age. I want to see someone beat him, because they can actually beat him. I would imagine he fights for no more than 2-3 years then hangs em up at the very most? If he's smart.

[E-Man]

I wouldn't mind if Anderson retired after his next fight if he gets that 10th title defense. He does look as great now as he ever has, but father time can be a ***** that happens over night. I really really want to see him fight GSP though. That's would be the biggest fight in MMA history. I just have to see them go at it. I want to see which guy is the smartest MMA fighter in the world.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I wouldn't mind if Anderson retired after his next fight if he gets that 10th title defense. He does look as great now as he ever has, but father time can be a ***** that happens over night. I really really want to see him fight GSP though. That's would be the biggest fight in MMA history. I just have to see them go at it. I want to see which guy is the smartest MMA fighter in the world.

I would say that is Randy Cotoure imho. But I agree, they are at the top of the food chain and two of the smartest fighters right now not to mention most talented.

I don't think GSP can take him, I hate to say it because GSP is so good, but I think Silva could put him to sleep.

[mrvlknight21]

He served his suspension for the PED thing.

His real estate issue has nothing to do with UFC/MMA. He plead guilty, paid his fine, his real estate license was revoked, end of story.



Sonnen's white collar crime whatever it was has nothing to do with his UFC career and honestly I don't give a ****. He plead guilty and he was served his punishment.



Actually, Sonnen is only a few months into his 2 years of federal probation. So he is technically still serving his punishment. And of course, some screw up on probation could land him right back in front of the judge.

Amazing card last night, I like how people still keep hating on Silva and doubting him as a great fighter.

When his heart has been in it, which it hasn't been lately, he destroys people and shows just how wide the gap is between his skill and talent and everyone else's.

It was a good card, but the guys I was pulling for lost:
Schaub/Griffin/Okami

[E-Man]

Couture has some really good gameplans, but I don't think he's on Anderson and GSP's level. Part of the reason why Anderson can clown guys is because he's so intelligent at attacking without wasting any energy and effort. GSP knows every guys weakness and can exploit it to a tee. To me those guys know how to exploit everything. Randy is up there, but he's been in fights where he didn't have an answer for guys. The Nog fight comes to mind, even though Nog is no slouch.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Actually, Sonnen is only a few months into his 2 years of federal probation. So he is technically still serving his punishment. And of course, some screw up on probation could land him right back in front of the judge.



It was a good card, but the guys I was pulling for lost:
Schaub/Griffin/Okami

Yeah my buddy was pulling for Schaub I was indifferent.

I lost all respect for Griffin a while back, not that I'm happy if he loses, but I don't think he is the type of fighter I saw back in the day.

I've liked Silva from day one, I knew who he was before his UFC days but only because of a few videos online I didn't know much about him.

I've always personally felt that fighters from Brazil overall are just better fighters.

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah my buddy was pulling for Schaub I was indifferent.

I lost all respect for Griffin a while back, not that I'm happy if he loses, but I don't think he is the type of fighter I saw back in the day.

I've liked Silva from day one, I knew who he was before his UFC days but only because of a few videos online I didn't know much about him.

I've always personally felt that fighters from Brazil overall are just better fighters.

I love Griffin, he is a hometown boy. Two of the guys who were at my house for this fight went to high school and played basketball with him, so we are all big Griffin fans.
However, I have to agree that he just seems to have lost something.

[E-Man]

Big Nog says he'll fighter either Brock or Mir in his next fight. I like the Brock match more, but another fight with Mir won't be bad.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Nogueira-Talks-Internacional-Deal-Next-Fight-with-Lesnar-or-Mir-35227
“They’ve been calling me to fight on Dec. 10 or in Japan in February,” he said. “My opponent will be Frank Mir (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Frank-Mir-2329) or Brock Lesnar (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brock-Lesnar-17522). These are two very high-ranked guys, and let’s see what happens. I’ll talk to my team to prepare a good strategy for them.”

UFC 140 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-140-Montreal-17274) is tentatively scheduled for Dec. 10 at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto. No firm date has been announced for a UFC show in Japan, though Zuffa, LLC, representatives are reportedly targeting Feb. 26 at the Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan, as a potential destination.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I love Griffin, he is a hometown boy. Two of the guys who were at my house for this fight went to high school and played basketball with him, so we are all big Griffin fans.
However, I have to agree that he just seems to have lost something.

I liked Griffin a lot, I was into UFC long before his epic battle with Stephen Bonner on the first UF show. But that fight made him known to me and like him. After the first shogun fight, where he only won because shogun was somehow more gased than Griffin was, and his reaction to the victory decision for him was like he had just run the fastest boston marathon ever, just turned me off to him.

Then after his complete humiliation at the hands of Silva, then bolting from the ring like a kid who just got made fun of in the middle of class, I lost all respect for him.

I have nothing against the guy, but he's not my kind of fighter anymore.

[DoomsdayApex]

Dana White is slated to make a major announcement on Friday.

-- The signing of Overeem, and who his opponent will be for the debut.

Jon Jones' camp is said to be spying on Rampage Jackson.

[B]

Big Nog says he'll fighter either Brock or Mir in his next fight. I like the Brock match more, but another fight with Mir won't be bad.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Nogueira-Talks-Internacional-Deal-Next-Fight-with-Lesnar-or-Mir-35227

Lesnar vs Nogueira makes the most sense to me, I wouldn't be thrilled to see Mir fighting him again. I thought Mir vs Nogueira was a letdown the first time they fought.

Either way I'd expect Lesnar to bulldoze his way through Nogueira by pounding him out & if it's Mir I'd expect him to beat Nogueira probably by a similar fashion as the first time, Nog should lose to either I feel on paper anyway.

[misjuevos]

yea overeem is signed with the ufc, now the hw division is interesting to me again, especially since nog is back on his game.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Wow, Nogueira is only 35... I thought he was closer to 40.

[E-Man]

They announced that Cain vs. JDS is going to be on Fox November 12.:wow: What an awesome move by the UFC here. It's going to be a HUGE fight for them because both guys bring it. I'm glad that I'm getting a chance to see this for free.

[DoomsdayApex]

Wow... I didn't see that coming.

It's a decent surprise, but I don't see anything major about it.

[B]

Wow, Nogueira is only 35... I thought he was closer to 40.

Just wear & tear on his body over the years in fights. When he fought Couture I thought it looked like Nogueira was the much older fighter. :O

[Norman Osborn]

yea overeem is signed with the ufc, now the hw division is interesting to me again, especially since nog is back on his game.

Gotta link to that? It may be inevitable but I didn't think it was official yet?

[mrvlknight21]

I liked Griffin a lot, I was into UFC long before his epic battle with Stephen Bonner on the first UF show. But that fight made him known to me and like him. After the first shogun fight, where he only won because shogun was somehow more gased than Griffin was, and his reaction to the victory decision for him was like he had just run the fastest boston marathon ever, just turned me off to him.

Then after his complete humiliation at the hands of Silva, then bolting from the ring like a kid who just got made fun of in the middle of class, I lost all respect for him.

I have nothing against the guy, but he's not my kind of fighter anymore.

I have read different things as to why Griffin ran out of there after the loss-everything from total embarassment to a serious injury. I do know that Griffin apologized in person to Silva on more than one occasion and Silva forgave him.

Also there is a youtube clip where Griffin talks about getting his A** whooped by Silva. I cant link it, since it contains bad language, but if you listen to it, you may re-think what you feel about his reaction to that fight, etc.

Search for "Forrest Griffin talks about Anderson Silva fight" if you want to hear it. Its actually very funny.

Forrest is far from classless and is usually very honest about his shortcomings/mistakes/etc.


Also, I certainly dont blame him for a dorky celebration after his win over Shogun the first time. Shogun was a HUGE favorite to win that fight and many people felt that Forrest was to be Shogun's catapult to a quick title shot. Instead Forrest pulls out a really good victory and celebrates. I dont see why you would dislike him for that.


They announced that Cain vs. JDS is going to be on Fox November 12.:wow: What an awesome move by the UFC here. It's going to be a HUGE fight for them because both guys bring it. I'm glad that I'm getting a chance to see this for free.

Wow, that is huge. Looking forward to that. Glad to see it will be free.

[Mace Bloodstone]

http://www.ufc.com/news/First-Fox-Main-Event-Cain-vs-JDS
"The five round championship bout between Velasquez-dos Santos will occupy the one hour time slot on Fox, with the rest of the card airing in a method to be determined."



:funny: I like what this one said:
"For those complaining that White did the wrong thing by taking a championship fight and putting it on free-TV, I'm betting you’re the same crowd complaining about prices for pay-per-view fights?"
http://www.csnbayarea.com/09/02/11/bDuttb-On-Velasquez-dos-Santos-Overeem-a/landing_mma.html?blockID=558336&feedID=8306

[CrypticOne]

Awesome news that Velasquez and Dos Santos are fighting on free TV. I can't wait to see it. It is going to be a war!

The rest of the fights will probably air on Versus or Spike. I don't think the UFC will stack the card though.

[E-Man]

The Cain/JDS fight is only part of a one hour special featuring 2 fights. The first big card with more fights isn't until next year. This is basically a showcase.

[TheVileOne]

E-Man, they aren't going to have time to broadcast a second fight.

All the focus and bells and whistles will go to the five round Cain/JDS fight. If it ends quick they will show more.

Also a week later they are having a PPV. So they need to push that in front of a ton of potential new PPV buyers. The problem? Cain/JDS was on that card. So hopefully they can find a good replacement for that fight. No one is going to pay to see Faber/Bowles as the main event for a PPV.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I have read different things as to why Griffin ran out of there after the loss-everything from total embarassment to a serious injury. I do know that Griffin apologized in person to Silva on more than one occasion and Silva forgave him.

Also there is a youtube clip where Griffin talks about getting his A** whooped by Silva. I cant link it, since it contains bad language, but if you listen to it, you may re-think what you feel about his reaction to that fight, etc.

Search for "Forrest Griffin talks about Anderson Silva fight" if you want to hear it. Its actually very funny.

Forrest is far from classless and is usually very honest about his shortcomings/mistakes/etc.


Also, I certainly dont blame him for a dorky celebration after his win over Shogun the first time. Shogun was a HUGE favorite to win that fight and many people felt that Forrest was to be Shogun's catapult to a quick title shot. Instead Forrest pulls out a really good victory and celebrates. I dont see why you would dislike him for that.



Just rubbed me the wrong way. Not my kind of fighter ya know? Not like I hate the guy or even dislike him in anyway. Just sort of turned me off to him as a fighter.

Sort of how Jim Brown doesn't like Emit Smith, I'm sure Emit is a great guy, but as far as Jim Brown is concerned, not his type of running back.

Doesn't mean Jim is right, just his personal preference. Same for me, I just didn't care for Griffin's reaction, it came off sort of as...."Wow I can't believe I pulled that one off....but let's not mention if my conditioning was any better at all, even a tiny bit, I would have destroyed Shogun, who was the only person on the planet more tired than I was at that moment which is why I was able to win."

Again, just my take on it, if anything I am in the minority.

[TheVileOne]

I like Forrest. He is a funny, ironic dude, but he has no self-esteem. It is time for Forrest to retire. Judging from his interviews he has no drive anymore. If he's in this just to have a job and make money now, it is best he just stops fighting now and not hurt himself further.

[B]

Jon Jones looks like a beast in the cage.. but dam I hate that motha****er.. believe it or not I want to like him, but some of the trash he writes on Twitter & how he conducts himself just makes it impossible to like him.

In the latest trailer for UFC 135 he compares himself to the likes of Mohammed Ali in the sense that all of the greats have some form of arrogance about them. The difference is Ali was entertaining cocky/arrogant, even Rashad is a little entertaining in his 'bigheadedness'... Jones isn't entertaining cocky, hes irritating cocky.

I really.. REAAALLLY hope Rampage lays him out cold..

[Paroxysm]

Awesome news that Velasquez and Dos Santos are fighting on free TV. I can't wait to see it. It is going to be a war!

The rest of the fights will probably air on Versus or Spike. I don't think the UFC will stack the card though.

Don't forget Facebook.

[E-Man]

Sort of how Jim Brown doesn't like Emit Smith, I'm sure Emit is a great guy, but as far as Jim Brown is concerned, not his type of running back.


You have a source for this? Maybe that's one reason it seems Jim never gave Emmitt his props. It would hilariously explain a lot. lol

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You have a source for this? Maybe that's one reason it seems Jim never gave Emmitt his props. It would hilariously explain a lot. lol

I'm not sure if there is a direct quoted source. But there are some sources online where it is alluded to. One that I've seen is in the NFL networks top running backs of all time. Jim Brown is talking about Walter Payton and mentions that "if a running back did it the wrong way, you know running out of bounds, he wouldn't hear from me."

A lot of people say he is referring to Emmitt.

[E-Man]

Emmitt never ran out of bounds though. The dude always ran for that extra yard. If Jim Brown is referring to him he's delusional because Emmitt probably had more heart than any other running back in history. But I digress, this is an MMA thread. I can't wait for Cain/JDS on Fox. We're getting two UFC title fights on free tv this fall with the previously mentioned fight and Cruz vs. Mighty Mouse in October. Man I can't wait for that one either. I really can't recall seeing either guy in a boring fight.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Emmitt never ran out of bounds though. The dude always ran for that extra yard. If Jim Brown is referring to him he's delusional because Emmitt probably had more heart than any other running back in history. But I digress, this is an MMA thread. I can't wait for Cain/JDS on Fox. We're getting two UFC title fights on free tv this fall with the previously mentioned fight and Cruz vs. Mighty Mouse in October. Man I can't wait for that one either. I really can't recall seeing either guy in a boring fight.

You're right this is an MMA thread, but I would say Payton had more heart than any player in the NFL ever. imho.

[TheVileOne]

FYI, just remember guys, Spike TV isn't going to be showing any fights for the Fox card ;) .

They are going to have a full card for fans who buy tickets. They will just air most of the prelims on Facebook or even FX.

[brainchild81]

Jon Jones looks like a beast in the cage.. but dam I hate that motha****er.. believe it or not I want to like him, but some of the trash he writes on Twitter & how he conducts himself just makes it impossible to like him.

In the latest trailer for UFC 135 he compares himself to the likes of Mohammed Ali in the sense that all of the greats have some form of arrogance about them. The difference is Ali was entertaining cocky/arrogant, even Rashad is a little entertaining in his 'bigheadedness'... Jones isn't entertaining cocky, hes irritating cocky.

I really.. REAAALLLY hope Rampage lays him out cold..Doubtful. I think Bones is gonna stretch him.

[DoomsdayApex]

Doubtful. I think Bones is gonna stretch him.


The only way Jones can win is by taking an opponent down and instilling Ground-and-Pound.

If Jackson is able to stuff Jones' takedowns and avoid his unorthodox strikes, then it'll be very interesting to see how Jon takes this bout.

Jones' stamina and striking are his weaknesses. Rampage HAS to exploit them here. Jones has a horrible looping hook and jab. Jackson needs to be aggressive.

[B]

If Rampage goes at Jones in the same way he went at Machida ie aggressive, but at the same time cautiously respecting him he is capable of beating Jones quite comfortably I feel.

I think Jones is an amazing talent, but all this talk of him being on par with the likes of GSP & Anderson Silva is ridiculous. His biggest strength thus far is the fact hes a freak athlete, his cardio doesn't look amazing, but he looks to have good strength & speed combined with the fact he has a great frame/long reach.

Rampage can exploit him on the feet I feel & he has the strength/ability to be able to prevent Jones from taking him down.

It could go either way if Jones or Rampage are careless. I think the Shogun fight has kinda given people a misrepresentation on Jones's striking level. I think Shogun is by far the more dangerous striker, Jones is simply unorthadox.

[DoomsdayApex]

I agree. I still think Shogun is the most dangerous striker in the LHW division, hands down. Rua is too modest to admit that his knee injury (the layoff) did indeed play a factor. Shogun was slow and sluggish compared to Machida I & II.

Jones is an outstanding talent but I loath his persona. The guy is so full of s**t. And I certainly believe he is NOT on par with Anderson or George. It makes me a bit disgusted that alot of fans consider Jon Jones the second best Pound-For-Pound fighter on the planet, and a living legend already. The guy has yet to defend the title once, for christ's sake. Jon is beatable, and to those who disagree -- analyze his bouts with Gavano, O'Brien and Bonnar closely. I seem to remember that even Joe Rogan described Jon Jones' striking as rudimentary.

Rampage has a great opportunity here. His TDD is elite and his stand up his lightyears ahead of Jones'. Jackson needs to keep this fight standing. On top of needing his conditioning to be top tier once again, he desperately needs his killer-instinct back.

[TheVileOne]

Rampage won't be able to stop the wrestling of a guy like Jones. Jones is huge, strong, and relentless.

Shogun is a dangerous striker because you have to consider he has 17 wins by knockout plus when he gets guys on the ground he puts people to sleep with his punches. All his UFC wins were knockout wins except his first fight with Machida he really won.

[DoomsdayApex]

Machida never beat Shogun.

Lyoto, himself, knows this to be true. He left the octagon a mess that night, and was surprised when Bruce Buffer announced his name.

Rua vs. Machida III is inevitable, and based on the outcome of the first two bouts, most of the world will be picking Shogun to give Lyoto another beating.

[DoomsdayApex]

Hmmm, rumor says Shogun is set to fight Ortiz next.

I hope it's wrong. Fighting Ortiz would be a step back at this time. Rua is the #2 LHW in the World. He should be next in line for a title shot or fighting Rashad Evans for the title contention spot.

Fighting guys like Davis and Bader are also a step back.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Put Phil Davis in with Shogun. He's undefeated and should be healed and ready by the time the fight is scheduled.

[Paroxysm]

Yoshihiro Akiyama Dropping to Welterweight, Wants to Train With Georges St. Pierre (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/3/2403033/ufc-yoshihiro-akiyama-dropping-welterweight-train-georges-st-pierre)

[CrypticOne]

Yoshihiro Akiyama Dropping to Welterweight, Wants to Train With Georges St. Pierre (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/3/2403033/ufc-yoshihiro-akiyama-dropping-welterweight-train-georges-st-pierre)

Awesome news. Akiyama is too small for MW.

[El Bastardo]

Dana got his way.

[TheVileOne]

Not sure how successful Akiyama can even be at welterweight. I don't think he's that good.

Match-ups I do like for Shogun are Dan Henderson or Rampage if Rampage loses to Jones. Tito Ortiz is a big step down for Shogun right now. Had it been right after the Bader win, yeah I could've seen it.

[B]

Not sure how successful Akiyama can even be at welterweight. I don't think he's that good.

Match-ups I do like for Shogun are Dan Henderson or Rampage if Rampage loses to Jones. Tito Ortiz is a big step down for Shogun right now. Had it been right after the Bader win, yeah I could've seen it.

To be honest I think Ortiz, after his win over Bader, is one of the few LHW's that is actually credible that isn't currently tied up with a matchup. Or there is Phil Jones who is on the edge of the contenders looking to bust in.

Really I feel Lyoto Machida is his best matchup in terms of where both fighters are at, but I don't think people want Shogun/Macida III so soon after the other 2 fights.

Has Dan Henderson been re-signed by the UFC? I'd love to see Henderson/Rampage II.

[B]

Not sure how successful Akiyama can even be at welterweight. I don't think he's that good.

I don't think he'll ever be a champion in the UFC, but he is one of those guys that tends to have good fights.

He was far too small for MW to ever be successful, he has more chance at WW which in theory should be a more natural weightclass for someone of his height/body.

[TheVileOne]

I dunno, he's a thick dude that doesn't carry a lot of fat. I'm not sure how easily he can make that cut. I mean we know Anderson Silva is much bigger. He sometimes cuts down from 230 lbs. or more.

UFC were talking about Rich Franklin/Tito Ortiz next which doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Well this sucks...

Diego Sanchez Out Of UFC 135 With A Broken Hand.

"The UFC is 19 days away from their next pay-per-view and UFC President Dana White has announced that Diego Sanchez is out of the co-main event with a broken hand.

He was scheduled to take on Matt Hughes and White said on Twitter that he is searching for a new opponent for Hughes."

[Sakuraba]

Not sure how successful Akiyama can even be at welterweight. I don't think he's that good.

Match-ups I do like for Shogun are Dan Henderson or Rampage if Rampage loses to Jones. Tito Ortiz is a big step down for Shogun right now. Had it been right after the Bader win, yeah I could've seen it.

Akiyama is actually a five-tool fighter. He just fights like an idiot. He's got good hands with good power, his judo is excellent, his top control/gnp/submission game is pretty decent, and he's fairly durable. But yeah, he just fights like an idiot and gets gassed out after two minutes. It's just a wicked combination of misguided warrior spirit and what he perceives American audiences want to see.

The only problem here is that it's too late. If the goal is to do a February show in Japan then Akiyama should have been forced down for his last match. He could have been put into a position to win two fights and challenge GSP in Japan. Akiyama challenging for the title is the only way I can see a Japan show doing any profit. Put a KID match as the second bill and you'd get a TBS, TV Tokyo, or Asahi pay to air it. The Super Arena could actually be configured for full capacity. The idea of a Japan show is stupid anyway because Japan is a dead market for mma, k-1, sumo, pro wres, and anything involving half naked men hitting each other, and a dying economy overall, whereas Hong Kong, Singapore, or Seoul would be much better choices long term. Those are the growing markets where Zuffa needs to invest.

[Sakuraba]

Well this sucks...

Diego Sanchez Out Of UFC 135 With A Broken Hand.

"The UFC is 19 days away from their next pay-per-view and UFC President Dana White has announced that Diego Sanchez is out of the co-main event with a broken hand.

He was scheduled to take on Matt Hughes and White said on Twitter that he is searching for a new opponent for Hughes."

I don't know if he was medically suspended or not, but just have Superman do a quick turnaround so he can tap Country Breakfast again. At this point, Hughes is just a novelty act anyway, so it fits and is a sellable fight.

[TheVileOne]

It will apparently be Josh Koscheck stepping in.

[E-Man]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.

[SuperSoldier985]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.
http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae359/SteelersFreak1/iyz7A.gif

[E-Man]

^Hahahaha

[Paroxysm]

Oh man, this is gonna be awesome. I expect Reem to destroy Lesnar in the same fashion Cain did.

[E-Man]

Oh man, this is gonna be awesome. I expect Reem to destroy Lesnar in the same fashion Cain did.

Avatar bet on that? It would make a big match more interesting.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Avatar bet on that? It would make a big match more interesting.

I like that idea! :up:

[E-Man]

Holy ****! The news just keeps coming! Bendo and Guida to be on the Nov. 12 Fox card! That's the exact fight I wanted to be on that card. *screams like a school girl*
http://ht.ly/6n1HO

Oh yeah, the source is legit. It's from MMAWeekly.

[zanos]

Shogun looked like he was using Forrest's head for a basketball. I'm still surprised by what I've seen out of Silva. He barely hits his opponents and they just go down. I really don't understand it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Shogun looked like he was using Forrest's head for a basketball. I'm still surprised by what I've seen out of Silva. He barely hits his opponents and they just go down. I really don't understand it.

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with where they land. My friends and I were playing basketball one time and my friend got a rebound so I was coming in to play D and he had the ball above his head, so elbows out, just turned, caught me square on the jaw and I got a little dizzy.

He also outweighed me by about 50+ pounds but he didn't put much into it, it wasn't like he was trying. Of course I also wasn't ready, but that just shows, with how a small, well placed shot can hurt a lot. imho

[zanos]

I'm sure a lot of it has to do with where they land. My friends and I were playing basketball one time and my friend got a rebound so I was coming in to play D and he had the ball above his head, so elbows out, just turned, caught me square on the jaw and I got a little dizzy.

He also outweighed me by about 50+ pounds but he didn't put much into it, it wasn't like he was trying. Of course I also wasn't ready, but that just shows, with how a small, well placed shot can hurt a lot. imho

I've seen alot of fights throughout the years and I've yet to see a professional fighter get knocked to the ground with a jab or glancing blow who wasn't facing Anderson Silva. I believe it happens, but it's just I've never seen it at this level before. Most knockdowns or knockouts are the result of a full or nearly full swing. Jabs and glancing hits are just shrugged off for the most part.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Brock vs. Reem sounds too good to be true!! I wont believe it until the night of the fight.....

but anyway http://i55.tinypic.com/mw2mj8.gif

[Paroxysm]

Avatar bet on that? It would make a big match more interesting.

Sure, i'm game. So if Lesnar wins i'll sport a Lesnar avatar of your choice for a week/month and you'll do the same for me if Reem wins?

[E-Man]

Sure, i'm game. So if Lesnar wins i'll sport a Lesnar avatar of your choice for a week/month and you'll do the same for me if Reem wins?

Sounds good. I'll be rocking The Reem if he wins with some funny ass user title like "Bud Light's *****" or something.

[B]

Overeem vs Lesnar is a fantastic matchup :up:

Could go either way, I think Overeem's best chance to win the fight is on the feet & Lesnar's is by taking him down.

Overeem has never really faced a HW of the size, power, speed & wrestling ability of Lesnar. If Lesnar is capable of taking Velasquez & Carwin down, I expect him to be able to find a way to get Overeem down.. which is why I say Lesnar by decision or TKO.

Really if I were Lesnar, I'd have asked to fight someone like Roy Nelson. He is literally only bouncing back from a life threatening injury/illness & is thrown straight into fight a top contender. He hasn't really had any fights or time to vastly improve his striking.. he is literally only regaining his fitness.

Some excellent fights coming up in the coming months :up:

[Sakuraba]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.

Yeah, but Lesnar takes punishment worse than the current incarnation of Valentijn Overeem. Which is to say not well at all.

I don't know if Overeem can stay up right against Lesnar's double leg, but if Lesnar is launching his shot from across the cage then his skull will be vulnerable to a knee. The clinch along the cage could be the most important area of this fight with Lesnar trying to grab a leg, putting his weight on Overeem, and Overeem throwing knees.

Another thing to watch for, given Lesnar propensity to launch unset shots, is Overeem's guillotine. I would actually pick that outcome as the most likely finish in this fight. Overeem wanted no part of Werdum on the ground, but he can flex a little mat skill in this fight.

It's a great fight because it's pitting two top heavyweights, is more or less a tossup, and has that old school skill vs. skill dynamic. Awesome stuff.

This whole Zuffa/Golden Glory fiasco actually worked out quite well for Overeem. Fighting Lesnar in his return fight on the yearend show, he'll get enough under-the-counter brown paper bag money to make his K-1 tenure look like chump money.

[DaveMoral]

I just got abreast of all the hulabaloo with Overeem. Frankly, it seems like a total set up to me. Strikeforce is going the way of Pride and WEC and fast. That's for sure. Whatever announcements have been made about Strikeforce remaining it's own entity ain't happening. That organization is about to be absorbed, with all it's fighters, into UFC. I mean, now we've got Overeem in UFC after kind of abruptly being cut from the organization on what sound like lame reasons in the first place. Your heavyweight champ, who didn't look like he was in tip top shape for his last fight despite how lame his opponent was acting(yeah, I though the Reem looked tired and was definitely not 100%), says he needs time to rest before he gets back in the ring.. and you cut him? Then lickedy split he's snapped up by what is now your parent company, into their promotion which is the hugest, slickest MMA promotion on the planet and he's paired up with Lesnar? Even though SF and UFC are the same company, if they were seperate promotions I don't see them giving up Overeem that easily or foolishly. Same goes for Nick Diaz and his match up with GSP in October.

The Heavyweight Gran Prix is the swansong of Strikeforce.

[Sakuraba]

I think when we hear the likes of Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta talking about running it separately and wanting to do a superbowl or whatever, I think that's genuine. The only thing is they say these things as fanboys and they're not thinking it terms of practicality.

With Pride Worldwide, well, that was just a dumb idea to begin with. You invest into a dead market, you secure no bankable native stars to relaunch the brand, and then you send Dana White to negotiate with Japanese tv execs. Why are you spending $70mil to own a brand in a shrinking market? Ford announced plans today for a 2 billion dollar plant in India. India is a rapidly growing economy and the rising middle class there will want cars. That makes sense.

The people in Japan no longer wanted fight sports in numbers justifiable for a slot in golden time on network television. So the idea here is let's buy a brand that is dead in it's primary market, is at best a cult favorite in America and that cult status will be seriously undermined by a Zuffa produced Pride, and let's go ahead and fund Sakakibara's purchase of a football team. It was a completely avoidable disaster.

Trying to run Strikeforce separately never had any traction because the UFC needs talent in order to run it's 5,000 yearly shows.*

The whole concept of running UFC and XYZ FC as separate promotions competing with each other can never work because the same people in running UFC also run Zuffa. Their cannot be genuine competition under those circumstances.

[TheVileOne]

I hope Bendo and Guida make some fireworks. Awesome looking fight on paper. I hope they don't lay an egg.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Sunday Christmas.. Friday Fight Night.. Saturday New Year's Eve... That's quite a week. :awesome:

[Paroxysm]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/09/brock-lesnar-vs-alistair-overeem-ufc.html

So Brock is going to fight Overeem. I think Brock is going to smash Overeem in a fashion similar to how Jon Jones beat Shogun. Overeem doesn't have the TDD to keep Brock from taking him down, and on top of that his cardio is piss poor. Yeah I know, Overeem is a really good striker and Brock got beat up in his last two fights, but he's got to keep it on the feet and I doubt he can. Brock takes down whoever he wants, and he's shown excellent wrestling in his MMA career. Overeem also takes punishment worse than most people in MMA. This is going to be Brock/Mir 2 all over again.

I was looking up some stuff on Fight Metric and I found that Reem's takedown defense sits at 76% while his his takedown accuracy is 75%.

Mike Chiappetta writes

Unlike Carwin and Velasquez, Overeem does not have a wrestling pedigree, but he has historically exhibited strong takedown defense. According to FightMetric, he's stuffed 76 percent of takedown tries against him. Of course, it must also be noted that Overeem has never faced anyone with Lesnar's wrestling pedigree. At any rate, Overeem is probably experienced enough to stop a takedown without a setup. And given Lesnar's fairly basic striking game, Overeem might not have a great deal of difficulty seeing his setups coming.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/07/as-end-of-second-major-layoff-nears-more-at-risk-for-brock-lesn/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

[E-Man]

Overeem has great numbers against a bunch of nobodies and Werdum when he was flopping to his ass. He got ragdolled fighting Shogun, Nog, and Arona, and neither of those guys have Brock's wrestling.

[TheVileOne]

Overeem is a big dude and he hits hard. He does have problems though. His cardio is for ****. He was clearly gassed in the Werdum fight and he almost lost it. If Werdum was a three dimensional fighter and he didn't show up looking like he was on a diet of McDonald's for the fight, Overeem might've been in trouble.

His other problem is that he just throws big looping punches without a lot of power. That tires him out quickly and his punches don't have much technique. He doesn't like to throw jabs or straight punches.

[Paroxysm]

I don't think Brock will get a chance to display those skills. Reem will see those setups coming from a mile away. Remember, this isn't the same Reem that fought Shogun, Nog, and Arona. This is Uber Reem. He's jacked now (legal...i dunno) but he's a lot stronger than he was before.

[TheVileOne]

Paroxysm, that is easy to say when most of his big wins have come against tomato cans.

He beat Werdum but just barely.

[Paroxysm]

Werdum beat himself

and yeah Reem's fought some cans but who hasn't?

[E-Man]

Yeah, everybody fights cans when they're starting out, but the problem is that Overeem's career is nothing but cans and losses to all the good people he's faced. His best wins are a past his prime Igor, a freak injury when he fought Sergei, Paul Buentello, Brett "Hasn't Done Anything But KO Arlovski" Rogers, and Werdum doing the Thales Leites. Sure Overeem could tag anyone and beat them, but he hasn't shown much to disprove that he's so different from his old losses. Hell he was just standing there looking lost while Werdum tagged him with some pillow punches.

[misjuevos]

can't wait to see overeem vs lesnar. either it goes as usual, american wrestler takes down dutch striker and lays on him. or overeem will show great takedown defense and break the stereotype of dutch fighters against american wrestlers. i hope overeem wins by a ko. i hope this isn't mousasi vs king mo all over again.

[TheVileOne]

I think Lesnar has a shot here. I think it just depends on how much his surgery and injury and layoff effects him. Lesnar just needs to take the fight where he wants it. Be prepared to take shots and go through them.

Cain got rocked big time by Kongo, but he was resilient and stuck with his wrestling game.

[CrypticOne]

Lesnar is going to get destroyed! No way he makes it out of the first round. I say he won't even make it out of two minutes.

Bendo/Guida is an awesome fight! That is going to be a war! Fight of the Year. I don't know who will win. Both bring it, nonstop. I'm leaning toward Guida, but this fight can go one way or the other.

[Paroxysm]

Team REEM:

Me
CrypticOne
misjuevos

[TheVileOne]

Nick Diaz is out. Carlos Condit is in against GSP.

Good riddance. Nick Diaz is a despicable disgrace. This is a suitable punishment. He needs to learn this behavior is unacceptable.

Dana White says Nick Diaz can't handle the pressure. Dana White is correct.

[E-Man]

Nick Diaz is out. Carlos Condit is in against GSP.

Good riddance. Nick Diaz is a despicable disgrace. This is a suitable punishment. He needs to learn this behavior is unacceptable.

Dana White says Nick Diaz can't handle the pressure. Dana White is correct.

I can't watch the video since I'm at school, but I'm hearing that Nick is out because he just wouldn't show to the presser again after no showing yesterday. That's just really irresponsible, and I wonder if he just didn't want the fight in the end. For a guy who talks all the **** that he does he has no real excuse here besides the fact that he is either an idiot or ducking. If it is an emergency or something I'm sure he would call to let them know he's sick, or with a family member or something.

[CrypticOne]

So just because Nick didn't attend a press conference they cancel the whole fight?! Bull....

I was really looking forward to GSP/Diaz and Condit/Penn.

If Dana knew this was going to happen, why did he even set the fight up? Well, I'm not gonna watch 137 now. GSP is gonna lay all over Condit.

But like I say, I hope GSP's lights get turned out.

[Project862006]

trailer already up
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poor bj does'nt even know yet lol

[TheVileOne]

CrypticOne, he made the fight because Diaz told him he wanted it and he would do what the UFC asked. Nick Diaz LIED.

[CrypticOne]

CrypticOne, he made the fight because Diaz told him he wanted it and he would do what the UFC asked. Nick Diaz LIED.

I don't even know why we need these press conferences. They fight next month. It seems like a waste of time. Fighters need to be training, not flying around answering questions that everyone knows the answers too. There is already too much media the week before the fight. These month in advance get-togethers are ridiculous.

[Project862006]

if the champ shows up who is also training in canada of all places makes it to vegas for PC why cant diaz?

no show 2 press conferences who says he wont no show fight night?

[TheVileOne]

CrypticOne, the press conferences help build interest and they create sound bytes and quotes from the media. The media then reports and helps build interest for these fights based on these press conferences. The press conferences also provide footage and material for trailers and countdown shows.

CrypticOne, why are you making excuses for Diaz? His trainer and manager has already publicly disowned Diaz's behavior.

[CrypticOne]

CrypticOne, the press conferences help build interest and they create sound bytes and quotes from the media. The media then reports and helps build interest for these fights based on these press conferences. The press conferences also provide footage and material for trailers and countdown shows.

CrypticOne, why are you making excuses for Diaz? His trainer and manager has already publicly disowned Diaz's behavior.

GSP says the same thing every time he fights. Help build interest?! It's GSP/Diaz! Not Unknown/Unknown.

It's not that I'm making excuses for Diaz, but to cancel a fight based on not being at a press conference is ridiculous. Just have a phone conference like they usually do.

I'm a big fan of Condit, don't get me wrong, but I was really looking forward to the original card. Penn/Condit would have been a great war to watch.

Now we are probably getting Penn/Fitch again.

[E-Man]

It's not hard to show u for a press conference. They even said they spent $15,000 on flights for him, so it's not like he had to come out of pocket and drive 8 hours to go to a press conference. Cesar Gracie even said he couldn't find him, nor could he support him. There are no excuses for this type of **** up. For all the **** he has talked for years about wanting to fight GSP he doesn't show up for a press conference? The dude deserves to get cut.

[TheVileOne]

CrypticOne, this is part of the job. Like it or not. Every fighter does it. I interviewed Gilbert Melendez right after he had a newborn daughter and was preparing for a huge title fight with Kawajiri. He still did his interview with me and was a complete gentleman and professional about it.

Diaz is despicable, disgusting, and pathetic. He got what he deserved. He was scared and couldn't handle the pressure. He's a mental midget.

[Project862006]

diaz's training partner jake shields father died the other day and is still fighting ellenberger and i am sure will show up to press conferences

because he is a respectable professional fighter

[TheVileOne]

Kurt Angle got arrested for an alleged DUI over the weekend. He still did his Tuesday press day for Warrior and didn't cancel my interview with me. He still fulfilled his commitments.

https://p.twimg.com/AYxLfbCCEAAFMbf.gif

[CrypticOne]

CrypticOne, this is part of the job. Like it or not. Every fighter does it. I interviewed Gilbert Melendez right after he had a newborn daughter and was preparing for a huge title fight with Kawajiri. He still did his interview with me and was a complete gentleman and professional about it.

Diaz is despicable, disgusting, and pathetic. He got what he deserved. He was scared and couldn't handle the pressure. He's a mental midget.

The thing is, the casual fan would have never known that Diaz missed the press conference.

Dana should have at least waited a couple days before making up his mind.

People have personal lives, and no one knows what was up with Diaz until he turns up.

Diaz is a great fighter. Just because he missed a press conference shouldn't define him.

[Project862006]

he no showed Toronto and Vegas press conference

not just 1

[TheVileOne]

This is his job. If you don't show up and are insubordinate at your job you are punished or fired. That ****ing simple.

Fans need to stop coddling and babying Nick Diaz. He's a grown ass man and needs to act like one. He's not special.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Team REEM:

Me
CrypticOne
misjuevos

add me! :word:

[misjuevos]

man that is just disappointing. i was really looking forward to diaz fighting gsp. at least we still got reem coming up later. also if diaz didn't want to leave his house maybe they could have done a video conference with him. im sure they could have worked something out, if he would have come to them about his anxiety first. but he just cut off communication with them and caesar. so now they pretty much had to take some action. it's a sad truth, you have to be the dancing monkey. im sure most fighters just want to train and hate doing the pr stuff, but it has to be done.


another shame is that overeem is not gonna defend his k1 title. which we all knew was gonna happen if he went to the ufc.

[B]

What a fool Nick Diaz is.. an ignorant, overrated fool.

Not that it matters because when I look at GSP & I look at Nick Diaz, there is no place that I think Diaz could defeat GSP. The fight would go where GSP wanted it to, he'd have probably just jabbed the **** out of Diaz considering Diaz's striking defense consists of just letting punches & kicks hit him then trying to shake them off as if they didn't hurt by taunting his opponent.

Carlos Condit is a good solid contender & could pull off an upset, has got good striking & doesn't give a **** about getting taken down thus is more willing to throw wild kicks/flying knees given that he is good off his back. I like this fight more than I liked the Diaz fight.. but even so, what a fool Diaz is. He'd have made a fortune fighting GSP as well as potentially winning the WW title.

[B]

I think Lesnar has a shot here. I think it just depends on how much his surgery and injury and layoff effects him. Lesnar just needs to take the fight where he wants it. Be prepared to take shots and go through them.

My guess is Overeem won't throw that many kicks knowing that if Lesnar gets hold of one he is gonna get dumped on his back & given the size of Lesnar it will take a good portion of energy to get back up.. energy Overeem just doesn't tend to store in large numbers.

Overeem will likely try to throw some leather at him & when 2 guys the size of Overeem & Lesnar are throwing punches.. either could go out cold with 1 shot. Overeem will be technically better but Lesnar will more than likely have the heavier more explosive hands.

I think this is a dangerous fight for both guys.. which is why it should be a good fight. I've yet to watch a Lesnar fight that wasn't entertaining so heres hoping for another.

[Mace Bloodstone]

^^ imagine if it goes all 5 rounds! :awesome: I hope it makes it to the 2nd round at least.

[Mace Bloodstone]

What a fool Nick Diaz is.. an ignorant, overrated fool.

Not that it matters because when I look at GSP & I look at Nick Diaz, there is no place that I think Diaz could defeat GSP. The fight would go where GSP wanted it to, he'd have probably just jabbed the **** out of Diaz considering Diaz's striking defense consists of just letting punches & kicks hit him then trying to shake them off as if they didn't hurt by taunting his opponent.

Carlos Condit is a good solid contender & could pull off an upset, has got good striking & doesn't give a **** about getting taken down thus is more willing to throw wild kicks/flying knees given that he is good off his back. I like this fight more than I liked the Diaz fight.. but even so, what a fool Diaz is. He'd have made a fortune fighting GSP as well as potentially winning the WW title.

So true. It pisses me off when people get huge opportunities and just piss it away while so many other people don't get any kind of chance like this ever.

[misjuevos]

this was the press conference when dana gets a call from caesar, just look at dana's face. watching this interview i feel sorry for gsp even though im not a fan of his fights. his first language isn't english and he has to carry the conference by himself. this must be what really set dana off. poor guy trying to hype up the fight by himself. we could of had diaz talking crap and gsp shrugging it off. instead we got gsp trying to get these people excited about his fight.

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[B]

this was the press conference when dana gets a call from caesar, just look at dana's face. watching this interview i feel sorry for gsp even though im not a fan of his fights. his first language isn't english and he has to carry the conference by himself. this must be what really set dana off. poor guy trying to hype up the fight by himself. we could of had diaz talking crap and gsp shrugging it off. instead we got gsp trying to get these people excited about his fight.

1HIlLpS7jAs

I like Dana White, I might be in a minority amongst MMA fans but I like how straight he is with people. The links broken but I've seen the video, he takes the call in front of people then relays what hes just been told over the mic.

On another subject completely I found this video while looking at Nick Diaz/GSP stuff about 10 minutes ago.. it only lasts 16 seconds but I'm only passing it on because I lol'd at the guy that pops his head into the video after Rampage speaks.

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[misjuevos]

that is strange i posted the vid while it was still buffering and finished it after i posted the link. i checked it and it was working. i watched it then went to watch part 3 and it was removed. went back to part 2 and that was removed also.

this is nick diaz going home after not making it to the presser.
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[Mace Bloodstone]

vid gone again.. What did he say?

[I'm Not a Hero]

Who cares. The UFC is better off without Nick Diaz. Who know what else he would have missed. You can't excuse this type of behavior.

[TheVileOne]

Diaz said he was sorry for not showing up to the beauty pageant. Says he never skips a fight. Which is a lie. He's a liar.

He also said he was driving back to Stockton. Says nothing about people trying to call him. Says someone doesn't want him to win.

He's a ****ing loser and a mental midget. Good riddance.

Diaz, the person who doesn't want you to win is YOU bro. You screwed Jay Hieron too.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I've seen alot of fights throughout the years and I've yet to see a professional fighter get knocked to the ground with a jab or glancing blow who wasn't facing Anderson Silva. I believe it happens, but it's just I've never seen it at this level before. Most knockdowns or knockouts are the result of a full or nearly full swing. Jabs and glancing hits are just shrugged off for the most part.

It might be because their striking skills aren't on the same level as professional boxers. Watching decades worth of boxing matches and you will see plenty of knockouts or at least knockdowns due to unusually "soft" looking punches.

Probably the most famous happened in Ali vs. Liston [I think the first fight].

Most of the big punches in the UFC are just that like you say, big punches throwing full swings like Lidell or Wanderli Silva.

They're aren't many true striking technicians in the UFC who also have the power to back it up with any punch thrown.

[TheVileOne]

Its not the power, but the SPEED that kills according to Bernard Hopkins. I think that's why Anderson Silva is so dangerous.

BJ Penn is another MMA fighter who has really good western style boxing. I remember in the Sanchez fight he was bobbing and weaving and Sanchez couldn't keep up with BJ Penn at all.

[misjuevos]

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here it is again, the diaz in his car one.

[DoomsdayApex]

Wow, I stay away from MMA news for three days and this happens...

Well, I'm extremely delighted that Diaz was stripped of his title shot. Nick did nothing special to receive this privilege. Furthermore, I do not know why fans labeled this bout a "Super-Fight". The Diaz Bros are the most overrated duo in MMA today. GSP would have taken him down at will and keep him tied to the ground for 23 out of the 25 minutes scheduled. His BJJ would have been easily neutralized as well. I gave Diaz a zero chance in hell.

I love Carlos Condit (big fan). He's a good sized Welterweight but I see him getting the same treatment. However, Condit is a crazy ****. He'll keep on coming to GSP with his crisp striking, and won't fear the takedown. I give Carlos a slim chance but there's one factor that might work in his favor if GSP makes a single mistake -- Carlos is got giant heart. He refuses to lose. It's something that Diaz lacked immensely.

This is going to be very interesting, to say the least.

[DoomsdayApex]

I sensed that Overeem vs. Lesnar would happen.

This could be either the easliest fight for Overeem to date, or a complete nightmare.

Overeem's striking is thousands of lightyears ahead of Lesnar's (this is where the fight should stay for the Demolition Man). If Brock has any sense left in that empty skull of his, he'll forgo the stand up aspect of the fight and focus on the takedown. Alistair's gameplan for this bout will be fairly simple to figure out. He'll limit the legkicks and knees, and utilize his hands alot more (uppercuts and hooks) similar strategy to his last fight.

In my humble opinion, Alistair should drop about 10 pounds. All that muscle mass could end up biting him in the a**, if this fight happens to go beyond two rounds. Stamina and TDD is a must. He should be focusing on nothing else. Lesnar's hands are nothing to worry about (all things considering that Lesnar doesn't know how to throw one) but measures and precautions must be taken. Alistair cannot risk taking damage from a 265 lb gorilla, therefore, head movement is another valuable advantage that Overeem possesses, and must implement during the fight.

Watch out for the Guillotine Brock!

Go Team Reem!

[misjuevos]

yea the best thing overeem can do against the takedown is his famous guillotine. i would love if he subbed brock's giant neck by guillotine. like i said before this matchup will either prove dutch strikers still can't handle american wrestlers. or and im hoping for this, that overeem is able to stuff the takedown and show how well rounded i think he is. he also has a good kimura.

[Project862006]

Carlos is a more dangerous opponent imo

his striking is more dangerous

he is faster than diaz
has more power in his hands than diaz
more dynamic with elbows,kicks,knees,etc.

[E-Man]

I think Condit is going to lose to GSP, but he is a better matchup. If there is one thing I'll give Diaz is it's credit for going after it in his fights. Condit is the same way, but with more power and a little bit more killer instinct. His problem is his takedown defense though, and that just spells disaster against GSP. He'll fight his ass off from his back, but he'll just open himself up to GSP doing more ground and pound. Either way it goes I'm still excited because Condit is a warrior. Besides, he brought up a great point about how he didn't get a title shot when Zuffa merged the WEC 170+ weight classes into the UFC when he was champ. Now that Diaz basically backed down from the 3:00 school yard show down Condit has his chance. I'm happy for him.

A good question now is who B.J. Penn fights. A lot of people have been asking for Gil Melendez. I'd be ultra happy with that because Gil vs. B.J. is one of those fights I've wanted to see for a while. At this point Strikeforce is on its dying legs anyway. Just bring Gil over and throw him in the deep 155 title picture.

[DoomsdayApex]

yea the best thing overeem can do against the takedown is his famous guillotine. i would love if he subbed brock's giant neck by guillotine. like i said before this matchup will either prove dutch strikers still can't handle american wrestlers. or and im hoping for this, that overeem is able to stuff the takedown and show how well rounded i think he is. he also has a good kimura.


Indeed, Overeem's Guillotine Choke is scary. The crushing power is unimaginable to me. Alistair mastered the choke before turning Pro, can you imagine now that he's added nearly 50 lbs of muscle mass? Assuredly, Brock does not want to find out, even with a tree trunk-sized neck...

[DoomsdayApex]

I think Condit is going to lose to GSP, but he is a better matchup. If there is one thing I'll give Diaz is it's credit for going after it in his fights. Condit is the same way, but with more power and a little bit more killer instinct. His problem is his takedown defense though, and that just spells disaster against GSP. He'll fight his ass off from his back, but he'll just open himself up to GSP doing more ground and pound. Either way it goes I'm still excited because Condit is a warrior. Besides, he brought up a great point about how he didn't get a title shot when Zuffa merged the WEC 170+ weight classes into the UFC when he was champ. Now that Diaz basically backed down from the 3:00 school yard show down Condit has his chance. I'm happy for him.

A good question now is who B.J. Penn fights. A lot of people have been asking for Gil Melendez. I'd be ultra happy with that because Gil vs. B.J. is one of those fights I've wanted to see for a while. At this point Strikeforce is on its dying legs anyway. Just bring Gil over and throw him in the deep 155 title picture.


BJ Penn is still scheduled to fight on the card, so Gilbert is out of the question unless he agrees to a Catchweight bout, which I think is unfair.

I have a strong gut-feeling that Rory McDonald might get this slot. He's being declared by fans and the boss himself as the future of the sport, and this card is taking placing in Canada, so it all plays perfectly to the agenda.

[E-Man]

I'd be fine with Rory against B.J. It could be a very good fight.

[Paroxysm]

He's fighting Brian Ebersole‎ at UFC 140, so i doubt he'll be fighting B.J. I also heard that they aren't going to be rushing him into any big fights right now.

[CrypticOne]

Carlos is a more dangerous opponent imo

his striking is more dangerous

he is faster than diaz
has more power in his hands than diaz
more dynamic with elbows,kicks,knees,etc.

You gotta be kidding me. Condit has better striking than Diaz?! Get that outta here! Diaz' boxing is outta Condit's league. Don't get me wrong, Condit is a pretty good striker and he may be more dynamic with using his kicks and that fancy stuff, but if you put these two in a boxing ring, Condit would get lit up quick.

I'm gonna be rooting for Condit against GSP, by the way.

Also, they announced Penn/Diaz. That is gonna be a good scrap. Two of my favorite fighters.

[Paroxysm]

So what they just devoted his ass?

[Project862006]

You gotta be kidding me. Condit has better striking than Diaz?! Get that outta here! Diaz' boxing is outta Condit's league. Don't get me wrong, Condit is a pretty good striker and he may be more dynamic with using his kicks and that fancy stuff, but if you put these two in a boxing ring, Condit would get lit up quick.

I'm gonna be rooting for Condit against GSP, by the way.

Also, they announced Penn/Diaz. That is gonna be a good scrap. Two of my favorite fighters.

did i say he was a better striker?no

i said he is more dangerous and he is more unpredictable than diaz

[CrypticOne]

did i say he was a better striker?no

i said he is more dangerous and he is more unpredictable than diaz

I wouldn't say he's more dangerous. He's wild. Diaz is more technical and knows where to place strikes to make you crumble. I'd say Diaz is more dangerous. He may have more power, but that doesn't matter when you're standing with someone like Diaz.

For instance, Paul Daley probably has way more power than both Diaz and Condit. Diaz still took him out on the feet.

[DoomsdayApex]

Diaz is a Boxer, not a striker.

He rarely uses kicks, elbows, and knees. Thus, Diaz is NOT the more well-rounded and dangerous striker.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Condit

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[Paroxysm]

add me! :word:

Team REEM:

Me
CrypticOne
misjuevos
Mace Bloodstone

[misjuevos]

Diaz is now fighting BJ Penn holy crap. now this is a better fight to watch. so how much press will he have to do now for his penn fight? just sucks that he gets punished by not getting to fight for the belt but really still gets to fight, so what kind of punishment is that. i'm really just happy diaz still gets to fight, i was looking forward to it. now even more so. we will get to see diaz's chin, and boxing against a better striker and harder hitter than gsp. i know he fought daley already, but penn has crisper standup. also daley has no takedown defense. i think diaz is gonna work the body and probably show how his body punches are brutal.

[E-Man]

With all that's going on lately I'm halfway expecting Anderson to be added to the Jones/Rampage match to make it a triple threat or some ****.

[DoomsdayApex]

Finally! Diaz's b***h a** is gonna have to earn it now.

[SuperSoldier985]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/804173/14_Silva_Cormier.jpg

[misjuevos]

im curious how overeem will be hyped for his fight. dana clearly doesn't think he is top 10. also cung le vs vitor coming up later, not to bad.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Damn, Victor might be too big for Le.

[misjuevos]

Nah cung will keep him at distance and land body shots with his legs

[CrypticOne]

HAHA! People were turning their tickets in for UFC 137, because they canceled the GSP/Diaz fight. Dana had to put Diaz back on the card. Man, I hate the politics of this sport. It makes no sense to remove Diaz, then put him back on the same card. What they should have done was fine Diaz for not showing up to the press conferences.

[Paroxysm]

Daniel Cormier and Josh Barnett won their respective bouts.

I still have Barnett winning the whole thing.

[misjuevos]

I knew cormier would take silva. Silva couldn't ko arlovski or even fedor from the dominant positions he had on fedor. he may have pummled him but his hands seem to lack power. Also I'm sure everyone knew barnett would win via a sub. hopefully this final happens before sf is closed or one of them is signed with the ufc. if cormier's hand is hurt bad they may run out of time before the showtime deal is up.

The Santos mein fight was really good. Also the mo fight I picked mo to win but thought it would be a blanketing. The ko was great.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Nah cung will keep him at distance and land body shots with his legs

I hope so.. Le has such a great simple sidekick to the body, I don't understand why nobody else uses it.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Anyone watch Bellator regularly? UFC needs some kind of competition, sad to say but I don't think Strikeforce will survive much longer. Not that they were any threat but at least some kind of alternative.

[TheVileOne]

Strikeforce was never competition.

Bellator is OK. They have some good fights and some good fighters but their presentation is terrible. You can't watch them in HD on MTV2. The production values this season have been terrible.

Also the other problem. The whole tournament format keeps the champions on the shelves too damn long and they are seldom defending their belts.

The other problem they did a whole 125 pound women's division and they've done jack **** with it since they had that tournament.

Strikeforce was never really competition to the UFC. Bellator I wager never will be either. I think it is good though to have more organizations out there and on TV to give us more fights and also to give guys who aren't UFC level a place to fight. There needs to be a place where guys can build their resume before going to the UFC or where they can get some wins before going back to the UFC.

[misjuevos]

Yeah it's good to have alternatives for the fighters to negotiate with. I never bought into the ufc being the only place for good fighters. By that I mean every org has good and bad fighters. The ufc isn't the only place for good fighters. They just have a bigger roster. Especially since they buy up their competition, yes sf was competition. in the sense that people had an alternative to watching only the ufc, same as dream. funny thing about dream is zuffa tried to buy out their Japanese competition in pride. They bought pride but some of the people from pride took the money and with other people they formed dream. Zuffa pretty much funded their own new competiion.

Zuffa is slowly taking sf apart so when the showtime deal is up they can have a clean cut. Will be easy for zuffa to say well sf has low ticket sales and no fighters left so we decided to close shop. zuffa is just bleeding sf dry till they co poof.

[DoomsdayApex]

Strikeforce was never competition.

Bellator is OK. They have some good fights and some good fighters but their presentation is terrible. You can't watch them in HD on MTV2. The production values this season have been terrible.

Also the other problem. The whole tournament format keeps the champions on the shelves too damn long and they are seldom defending their belts.

The other problem they did a whole 125 pound women's division and they've done jack **** with it since they had that tournament.

Strikeforce was never really competition to the UFC. Bellator I wager never will be either. I think it is good though to have more organizations out there and on TV to give us more fights and also to give guys who aren't UFC level a place to fight. There needs to be a place where guys can build their resume before going to the UFC or where they can get some wins before going back to the UFC.

Yes, that's why the UFC decided to buy them out...

[E-Man]

The less competition the better. I want all fighters under one umbrella so the best fights the best. Also, many MMA promotions are so shady that they deserve to die. The UFC treats guys well.

[DoomsdayApex]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.

[Paroxysm]

UFC also doesn't want a fighters union.

[I'm Not a Hero]

http://i56.tinypic.com/23hsrgl.jpg

I got a kick out of it.

[misjuevos]

The less competition the better. I want all fighters under one umbrella so the best fights the best. Also, many MMA promotions are so shady that they deserve to die. The UFC treats guys well.
strikeforce and dream were doing a better job of this than the ufc. sf and dream teamed up so they could have the best in their organizations fight each other, without having to leave their respective org. melendez fought aoki and kawajiri, diaz fought sakurai, and so on.

the ufc won't let their fighters go represent them in another organization anymore. they tried with chuck lidell in pride gp, he ko'd overeem but then lost to rampage. dana bet alot of money chuck would win the gp. dream also did a team up with sengoku on new years eve, sengoku vs dream. we will never see the ufc vs anyone.

you will never have all the fighters under one roof, so why exclude these other organizations. you don't have to crush them to get ahead. strikeforce ,dream and sengoku had the right idea. you can have superfights between organizations, put your money where your mouth is.

[E-Man]

DREAM can eat **** and die for all I care. They have numerous fighters say that they either paid them far later than promised, or they didn't get paid by DREAM at all.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.


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[SuperSoldier985]

http://i56.tinypic.com/23hsrgl.jpg

I got a kick out of it.
Oh please,..

I think Cormier could've taken Fedor quite honestly.

To me, he reminds me of a Black Cain Velasquez, ironically enough, is a close friend and training partner of his at AKA, so there's no surprise there that they have similar styles and skills.

And like with Cain, Cormier doesn't "look" like a MMA fighter, but where he excels in is his speed and technique...

[E-Man]

No they don't. Fighters such as Rampage, Couture, Fitch, Penn, Lindland, Coleman, etc have stated that the UFC's management can be compared to a playground bully if you disagree with them on just one subject.

They can afford to pay fighters more as well but they won't because they don't need to, which is why competition is necessary.

The UFC is the only MMA organization that has an insurance policy that covers fighters for injuries sustained before the fight. In the past they covered them for injuries that happened during the fight, but now they have improved upon that where no other MMA org has even done. They also have been known to be very generous with bonuses, and not just Fight, KO, and Sub of the night bonuses.

As for the people that complain, look at the list. Randy basically just wanted to fight Fedor, and in the and he came back because he really had no case. Rampage complains about everything that doesn't go his way. Seriously, I've been a fan for years, but the guy is ultra sensitive and very irresponsible. B.J. Penn is the same way. Coleman needed money and got signed just so he could pay his bills. Fitch and Lindland have a point, but not enough to make it seem like Zuffa is this big evil empire putting their fighters under slave contracts. They're really the only MMA org out there good enough to grow their business, but they haven't been caught doing ultra shady **** like the Japanese orgs and EliteXC. I really hate a lot of the stuff they do sometimes, but they are much more fair to their fighters than anyone else by a long shot.

[TheVileOne]

UFC buying out Strikeforce was inevitable. The inmates were running the asylum. All the deals falling apart later shows that Strikeforce made tons of bad deals. Most of the big stars would've ended up in the UFC anyway. The organization was losing money and the owners wanted out and that's why they put Strikeforce up for sale. Coker at first said "we aren't competing with the UFC blah blah blah" but the truth is when it came to it he couldn't handle competing with the UFC. Their promotion and matchmaking was terrible. The promos for CBS were terrible.

Say what you want about the UFC but they pay their fighters. They don't pull cute **** like with DREAM opting to forget to pay out certain fighters.

Also the slave contracts complaints are junk. That is just fighters trying to pump themselves up and leverage themselves. We now know fighters are paid a lot more than what is reported by the athletic commissions and the big names get paid tons with the bigger endorsements they are getting. Case in point, Machida's payout for UFC 129 was comparable to what Silva REPORTEDLY got paid for the Sonnen fight. Machida went on record as admitting he asked for Anderson Silva money to fight Rashad Evans last month. So we know Silva at the end of the day gets paid a lot more outside of what is reported by the state athletic commissions.

A lot of these guys weren't getting paid anything a few years ago like Frankie Edgar whose payout was in the six figure realm reportedly for his last fight. UFC is where fighters want to be.

Payouts and bonuses are go up and they will continue to go up.

Nick Diaz is an idiot and a moron. He complains about not getting paid like Pacquiao and Mayweather when he's not willing to put in that extra work those guys do to hype and promote fights. Diaz is a coward and a ***** and has no right to complain. UFC offered him the opportunity of a lifetime and a huge payday and title fight and he ****ed himself out of it because he's a pothead idiot.

[mrvlknight21]

HAHA! People were turning their tickets in for UFC 137, because they canceled the GSP/Diaz fight. Dana had to put Diaz back on the card. Man, I hate the politics of this sport. It makes no sense to remove Diaz, then put him back on the same card. What they should have done was fine Diaz for not showing up to the press conferences.

Really? Im surprised Dana would cave like that.

I just checked the UFC website and it still shows GSP vs Condit and Penn vs Diaz.

[TheVileOne]

Diaz technically was fined. He's not going to get paid as much for a co-main event with Penn as he was with a title fight main event with GSP. Diaz is lucky he didn't get fired or thrown off the card completely. He should swallow his pride and apologize to Cesar Gracie, the UFC, Lorenzo Fertita, GSP, and Dana White.

Also, UFC 137 is already reportedly sold out anyway so people still want to see the card. GSP and Penn on the same card is a bigger draw than Diaz anyway.

[CrypticOne]

It's going to be an interesting fight between Penn and Diaz. They have trained together before, and I think they are friends. Can't wait to see this war. Two of the best boxers in MMA. I'm going to be rooting for Penn and I give him the slight advantage in the stand up and jiu-jitsu.

[misjuevos]

diaz uses his boxing to set up his body shots. don't matter how strong your chin is, the body is his target. i am hoping they go to the ground though, love seeing the scrambles in diaz fights. my favorite ones were diaz vs diego and karo.

[CrypticOne]

diaz uses his boxing to set up his body shots. don't matter how strong your chin is, the body is his target. i am hoping they go to the ground though, love seeing the scrambles in diaz fights. my favorite ones were diaz vs diego and karo.

Yeah, Diaz works the body pretty good. Penn better be working hard on his cardio. That is one advantage I have to give to Diaz, the cardio. This fight can go either way though.

[TheVileOne]

I can see Diaz winning it because he's got a good chin and he keeps a ridiculous pace. He's used to fighting at 170 as well.

[TheVileOne]

Heck of a win for Ellenberger tonight. Tough luck for Shields, but that was a just stoppage. If you are that out of it you are trying to fight the referee, it was a good stoppage.

[misjuevos]

yeah when shields went out he had the single, then ellenberger got up and left and the ref stepped in, shields woke up and went right back to the single.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah he had the single, but he was getting blasted and the ref saved him. Didn't look like it was a good enough grip to really save himself and recover.

I mean I feel bad for Shields for everything he went through recently. However, as much as I hate to point out to it you can find stories of guys who go through similar circumstances and they still come through and win. I mean maybe Shields shouldn't have stayed in the fight but it sucks no matter how you look at it.

That being said, I think Ellenberger really just took advantage of a problem Shields has had for a long time and that is his poor striking. Shields gets bullied standing up by good strikers, in the past though he's simply used his outstanding wrestling and BJJ to overcome it.

[misjuevos]

all im saying is that is why shields shot the single on the ref, his last conscious thought was him grabbing the single. when he woke up it was like nothing happened and he still thought he had ellenberger's leg.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Finally! The final week before the fight.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2a92xyg.jpg

[misjuevos]

to be honest this fight should have been rashad vs jones. The fact that it didn't happen makes this fight lackluster to me. I really don't care about Rashad or jones but after all the crap it sucks the fight fell apart. Sort of like if after Rashad and rampage talked so much they end up not fighting.

[Mace Bloodstone]

I look at it as something to hold me over until the heavyweight fight in november.

[E-Man]

This is going to be a major fight for both guys. Jones has his first of a slew of high level elite guys Saturday while this could be Rampage's last title shot if he loses. I have Jones by decision.

[E-Man]

On my phone so I can't post a link, but Hendo amd Shogun are fighting at UFC 139! It's going to be a great fight.

[mrvlknight21]

Finally! The final week before the fight.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2a92xyg.jpg

Rampage is going to get stomped.
Hughes vs Koscheck? Interesting, I didn't know that was on the card.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Hughes in his last fight didn't look like he has any chin left.

[misjuevos]

also gonna have nate diaz vs takanori gomi. if you remember nick diaz gogo'd gomi and was dq'd later for failing his piss test. he was high and beat gomi.

[CrypticOne]

I hope Rampage knocks Jones, but Jones will most likely win.

I don't like either Hughes or Kos, but I'll be rooting for Hughes.

As for the rest of the card, I have Browne, Gomi, and Rothwell winning, all by TKO.

EDIT: Anyone hear about Hendo/Shogun fighting at UFC 139?! Awesome fight.

EDIT: Vitor Belfort got injured. Cung Le is now fighting Wanderlei.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Another change :doh:

UFC president Dana White announced on Twitter Wednesday that Vitor Belfort was out of the pay-per-view fight against Le, scheduled for Nov. 19 in San Jose, Calif., due to injury. The 34-year-old middleweight did not disclose the nature of the injury, yet via Twitter he indicated it's "nothing major" and expects to be ready to fight by December.
"The doctor required four weeks of intense [physiotherapy]," he wrote.

In Belfort's place steps 35-year-old Wanderlei Silva who, having been knocked out in July by Chris Leben, is in dire need of positive news in the cage.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/7000959/cung-le-first-ufc-foe-wanderlei-silva


I think this is good news for Le though.

[misjuevos]

one good thing about the ufc's huge roster is there are so many match ups i wanted to see. now they can happen just because of injury or whatever.

[E-Man]

I keep forgetting that Cruz is defending his title against Mighty Mouse next week. I may be more excited for that than Jones vs. Rampage.

[E-Man]

I forgot about TUF coming on tonight. New weight classes should mean better prospects since bantamweights and featherweights haven't had their TUF runs yet. The classes also bring more excitement.

[Mace Bloodstone]

I like Jason Miller, I actually think he's funny but I just have no interest in watching all the in house guy drama anymore.

[misjuevos]

dream 17 gonna air on hdnet at like 2am check your local listings. saku, aoki and others fighting. gonna be 5hrs.

[DoomsdayApex]

I really hope Rampage knocks out Jones. I can't stand Jones, at all.

[misjuevos]

Dream.17 is scheduled to air live on HDnet at 3:00 AM ET on Saturday, September 24th. The event which features an 11 bout card will take place at the Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan.
Shinya Aoki vs. Rob McCullough
Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Joachim Hansen
Takeshi Inoue vs. Caol Uno
Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Yan Cabral
Satoru Kitaoka vs. Willamy Freire

Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Gerald Harris
Hideo Tokoro vs. Antonio Banuelos
Bibiano Fernandes vs. Takafumi Otsuka
Masakazu Imanari vs. Abel Cullum
Rodolfo Marques vs. Yusup Saadulaev
Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Baru Harn


it airs early this morning gonna be 5hrs.

[misjuevos]

won't spoil anything, but this dream card was great. they will re air it next friday on hdnet in a condensed version, just the fights no walkouts.

[SuperSoldier985]

I really hope Rampage knocks out Jones. I can't stand Jones, at all.
:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[E-Man]

Jones by decision like I've believed for weeks. Rampage's durability is one of the best in MMA, and he's got the tools to stay away from Bones' bread and butter, the ground and pound.

[DoomsdayApex]

If Rampage of old shows up... watch out now.

Rampage (when in-shape) has great cardio. That could prove to be the biggest advantage in Quinton's arsenal.

My mind says Jones, but my heart says Rampage.

[Doc Samson]

Everything leads me to believe Jones should earn an easy decision tonight.

But he hasn't really been hit yet, especially by anyone like Jackson.

Rampage has never been knocked out in the UFC to date, and if he's able to hang around, who knows.

I just think Bones has too much versatility, speed & reach. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets caught by something big trying some sort of ridiculous move.

[Marvin]

If Jones wins it will be by decision. It's easy to out point someone with jones style and the type of judges found in ufc.

If Page wins it will be by TKO before the third, that's when his power is still on the board.

should be great.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Everything leads me to believe Jones should earn an easy decision tonight.

But he hasn't really been hit yet, especially by anyone like Jackson.

Rampage has never been knocked out in the UFC to date, and if he's able to hang around, who knows.

I just think Bones has too much versatility, speed & reach. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets caught by something big trying some sort of ridiculous move.

That's pretty much how I see it. I like them both hate to see either lose but I believe Bones will takes this one by TKO. With these guys wanting to knock each other out 5 rounds sounds too long for this to go to a decision.

[SuperSoldier985]

Nice win by Boetsch.

Looks like Nick gassed out pretty bad after the first round...

[Marvin]

smore picks

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[SuperSoldier985]

Tony Ferguson looked pretty good here...sucks for Riley. Talk about a glass jaw.. :p

[El Bastardo]

Dammit, I really want to see some of the fights on the card tonight, but my buddy can't make it and I don't want to foot the $55 myself. Argh.

[misjuevos]

Can't stay up anymore just to tired from watching dream but it was worth it best event this week. Have to watch ufc tomorrow, enjoy the show.

[SuperSoldier985]

Gomi got destroyed

[SuperSoldier985]

I never thought Hughes had much of a chance against Koscheck.

[SuperSoldier985]

Jesus....Rampage never had a chance..

[El Bastardo]

Bahahahaha.

[SuperSoldier985]

After looking at this, I think Rashad might be the first fighter to get Jones in trouble, but I don't think Evans has the right tools per se to finish and beat Jones. Evans is faster and more dynamic than Rampage, but Jones' reach and kicks are going to neutralize Evans' wrestling significantly...

[B]

Good card tonight, Nate Diaz's submission win over Gomi was superb, Koscheck beat what looked like a lacklustre Hughes I thought.. I read talk about him pre-event on whether his heart was still in it anymore, it didn't look like it to me. The old Hughes of old that imposed himself on guys just doesn't seem to be there anymore.. I'd rather see him retire than go the way of Chuck Liddell & get KO'd a handful of times in succession before he hangs them up.

Jones put on another good display. Followed the Forest Griffin blueprint well & threw alot of leg kicks to keep Rampage away from him & to slow him down. It worked a treat, especally that front knee kick that he landed several times. Rampage really needed to throw a few more leg kicks himself, or fient leg kicks like Dan Henderson does to set up his hands..

Beating this Rampage & actually stopping him is a far more impressive victory than the Shogun one I personally feel. Shogun was coming off a long lay off & didn't look himself at all.

Roll on Jones vs Evans. :up:

[brainchild81]

I think Shogun @150% still wouldn't be able to deal w/Jones. He's too new school :)I think Bones is gonna stretch him.Rampage was right. Bones did choke(him)
Yup Yup. Jones is the man. Deal w/it, people.

[E-Man]

Jon Jones is the man. It's hilarious how his haters are trying to rationalize it by saying he didn't "really" engage with Rampage. Man people at BWW were going crazy. lol

[TheVileOne]

He submitted Rampage so I mean there you go. I think he's going to crush Evans.

[B]

I think Shogun @150% still wouldn't be able to deal w/Jones. He's too new school :)

It's debatable but it's clear as day to see that the Shogun that fought Machida twice & the Shogun that fought Griffin was far different to the one that fought Jones. He looked gassed in the middle of the first round against Jones.

I'm really looking forward to Evans/Jones, Evans seemed reborn against Ortiz & Jones is starting to dig his feet into the ground for a long stint as champion. They should bring Primetime back for the build up.

[Mace Bloodstone]

Evans is listed at 5'11, I don't see how he can get passed Jones's jab and front kicks. Machida killed Evans, and I'm pretty sure Jones is better than Machida.

[Marvin]

Props to jones.

I think his body type and his skill in using his reach(unlike rumble) will keep him at the constant advantage. He can toss strikes all day while never once worrying about counter punches(especially of the hooking nature). Plus his submission attempts are hard to counter because of his long limbs.
Anyone that thinks page got a worse beating then Shogun is fooling themselves. Page is the one fight outside of Bonnar that Jones hasn't walked threw, moreover page really learned bones' timing and defended almost all the take downs. His granite jaw probably saved him from the second round onward. He even threw bones off of a full mount(very impressive).

If he could have only got inside that range he could have brought the fight to jones(something I've yet to see happen). And I thought Page was fearless in that regard but I think the leg kicks had him on the defensive a la Forrest. Page has great wrestling but he only uses it defensively, I think he should have switched him game up in the 3rd round and got jones on the ground while he still had the stamina/strength advantage. Straight page boxing just wouldn't work if he was going to stay on the outside.

Moving on to Rashad. I think should be interesting considering all the inside knowledge. Plus Bones and Shad act like total babies around each other. Shad will bring something dynamic and bones will finally have to fight someone else's fight. Shad can stand and shoot better than most. Trouble is Shad has a terrible chin.

I'm disappointed but it would have been worse if I didn't like Jones as much as I do. I'm glad he fought Page(unlike Rashad). And if Page says he's the real deal that's good enough for me.

[DoomsdayApex]

Jon Jones is the man. It's hilarious how his haters are trying to rationalize it by saying he didn't "really" engage with Rampage. Man people at BWW were going crazy. lol

Didn't see anything impressive from Jones. This only proves my point further that Jon's striking is primitive and his wrestling can be neutralized.

Call it hating, but I don't see how he's going to retain his title against a fighter like Machida (elite level cardio, TDD, and striking). Tonight gave me alot of confidence that Jones' title reign could be coming to end faster than I predicted.

Let's face Rampage's killer instinct is gone, he never truly had a chance. He stuffed and halted 75% of Jones' takedowns and saw Jon's flashy strikes (like his spinning elbow) coming but that's all he had going for him.

[Project862006]

^thank you i saw tonight was jon jones is human he was good not great

rampage stuffed pretty much all of his takedowns and even escaped from the mount and this is suppose to be an over the hill fighter to some

rampage really was'nt hurt at all during this fight he was never rocked at all only time he was hurt is when jones kicked his knee

he was still outclassed but i am just saying

[DoomsdayApex]

Exactly. Most of Jones' fanatics can't see past the flashy and unconventional strikes (which at this point only includes a spinning elbow, a jumping knee, and a spinning back kick) and takedowns.

In my opinion, Jones is more than likely to fall flat on his face sooner than later. If a fighter like Rampage (who's nearing the end of his career) took it to Jon tonight then just imagine what a fighter with great TDD and solid stand up, such as Hendo and Machida, can do to him.

[Project862006]

not to mention machida took ramapge down much easier and actually rocked ramapge badly when they fought

[Mace Bloodstone]

He seems like a good sportsman.

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[brainchild81]

Exactly. Most of Jones' fanatics can't see past the flashy and unconventional strikes (which at this point only includes a spinning elbow, a jumping knee, and a spinning back kick) and takedowns.

In my opinion, Jones is more than likely to fall flat on his face sooner than later. If a fighter like Rampage (who's nearing the end of his career) took it to Jon tonight then just imagine what a fighter with great TDD and solid stand up, such as Hendo and Machida, can do to him.Wow. Rampage "took it to Jon tonight"? What fight were you watching? Take the hater goggles off please.

[DoomsdayApex]

Wow. Rampage "took it to Jon tonight"? What fight were you watching? Take the hater goggles off please.

Please wipe off that white stain plastered on your lips.

[The Game]

Page got tooled badly, I like the fact Jones has toned down the recklessness and is now breaking people down methodically.

He still has much to improve on but at 24 he has time on his side.

Keep making em Bones, lol

[Marvin]

Steven Segal(I know) actually chimed and and said bones looked really bad tonight whereas Page looked really good.

I tend to agree in this case.
Would have been great to see Page really open up(he did once but jones kinda ran)

[The Game]

Steven Segal(I know) actually chimed and and said bones looked really bad tonight whereas Page looked really good.

I tend to agree in this case.
Would have been great to see Page really open up(he did once but jones kinda ran)

Page was weary of doing that too much, due to the speed and reach of Jones

[DoomsdayApex]

It's not that Jones looked bad, it's that Jones appeared incredibly human when he was unable to takedown Rampage.

People will try to argue that Jon went technical on us but he didn't. He relied on legkicks mostly to get him out of trouble. Jones went on defense several times during the fight.

Don't know what people watched tonight but Rampage wasn't tooled or dominated. Excluding Jones' legkicks, Jon really couldn't land much.

Rampage's legs finally started giving out by the third and his cardio appeared to deteriorate rather quickly (along with his chances to win the fight),

I don't like Jones' chances against Machida at all.

[B]

It's not that Jones looked bad, it's that Jones appeared incredibly human when he was unable to takedown Rampage.

Rampage does have underrated wrestling & very good takedown defense. I mean Rashad spent the best part of 3 rounds trying to get him down & I think he managed to get him down 2 or 3 times but he couldn't keep him there.

Rampage should try some variation. He should try throwing more leg kicks and/or taking people down. With the power he has, if he got someone down & started attacking he could do Lesnar - Mir like damage to guys.

People will try to argue that Jon went technical on us but he didn't. He relied on legkicks mostly to get him out of trouble. Jones went on defense several times during the fight.

Those front knee kicks & leg kicks were designed to keep Rampage at bay & to make him hesitant about coming in.. and it worked. I've seen a few post-fight interviews in which he stated he was hesitant about closing the distance quickly because of those knee kicks which would & his words not mine "**** you up if you we're moving in".

Jones was practically in defense mode the entier fight it was largly Rampage who took the centre & was the one closing Jones down.. not that this is a bad thing because even Chuck was on defense when he fought Rampage because he just walks through punches & kicks.

Don't know what people watched tonight but Rampage wasn't tooled or dominated. Excluding Jones' legkicks, Jon really couldn't land much.

Well it depends on your definition of domination, Jones didn't have everything his own way, but at the same time Rampage didn't really land anything significant in the fight.

Rampage's legs finally started giving out by the third and his cardio appeared to deteriorate rather quickly shortly after (along with his chances to win the fight),

I actually thought it was more those repeated knee & leg kicks that had started to take effect. He didn't seem as immobile as he was against Forest, but he definatly didn't look like he was moving freely.

I don't like Jones' chances against Machida at all.

It will be a while before we see that, hes got Evans, then the winner of Shogun/Henderson.

[Marvin]

I'm convinced Page has some of the best TDD in the sport and definitely in his weight class. Which is what is so interesting about this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/sanfeng/slam074.gif
doing it after bell to me read like frustration.

After sleeping on it
I think Page lost the match due to his gameplan, no leg kicks or take downs against a guy with nearly a foot reach adv. He couldn't shoot in for fear of his knee being inverted or face stuff and effectively let jones pick him apart from the outside. When he did get close he didn't dirty box again jones seem to have a answer by leaning in while keeping his head out of striking distance.

very difficult man to fight, but not unbeatable.

[brainchild81]

Please wipe off that white stain plastered on your lips. lol Says the guy who's butthurt cuz Jones won. Grow up, dude. Answers>lame insults. When was Rampage taking it to him? Was it the 1st round that he lost? The 2nd? The 3rd? Or was it when Jones choked him out? Lol. Post something useful this time.

[E-Man]

Wow. Jones haters are hilarious. The guy smashes Shogun, then he is the first man to finish Rampage in years and people are still acting like it's hype? This is like hating Deion Sanders in his prime.

[E-Man]

Oh yeah, Rampage has some of the best TDD and strength in MMA, and has for a while. Just because Jones had to weaken his legs to take him down doesn't mean he's weak. Just mean's he's smart.

[B]

Rampage says hes staying in Denver helping a few friends train for fights + work on his wrestling & also plans to go to the UK to work further on the training he did for the Jones fight.

Some of the positives he recieved from the fight were that his head movement was even better than usual & his takedown defense/wrestling & he believes that if he keeps working on both further & in between fights he can become a better Rampage.

He also says that because Shogun is taking on Hendo, he'd like to fight in Japan & wouldn't mind fighting Forest Griffin seeing as they're both coming off loses.. as an off the collar comment he also says he'd fight that chump King Ho as suggested by Ariel Helwani if the situation presented itself. He definatly seems set about fighting in Japan.

[Project862006]

i think machida will beat him

machida did this to rampage when they fought
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/Lyoto%20Machida/SLOMOMachidastunsRampage.gif

his TDD is really good and a very good striker

[Marvin]

Absolutely nothing is stopping jones from doing to machida what shogun did to him.

It would be good to see jones face another style though. chida loves to stay out of peoples range and jones is all range.

[Mace Bloodstone]

i think machida will beat him

machida did this to rampage when they fought
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/Lyoto%20Machida/SLOMOMachidastunsRampage.gif

his TDD is really good and a very good striker


What are people not seeing?

Shogun killed Machida
http://i42.tinypic.com/rkzhgz.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/256wcw7.gif


And Jones killed Shogun
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/Mauricio%20Shogun%20Rua/128shogunfinished.gif








Next in line is Evans, so what chance is he gonna have if he can't even get passed Machida?
http://i42.tinypic.com/2w7g4nc.gif


Evans had his hands full with Rampage, and we know what Jones did to Page last night.
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z371/frostfx/RearNakedChokesQuintonRampageJacksonUFC135.gif



Is it really that hard to admit that Jones is a pretty good fighter?

[Marvin]

mma math is the worst way to go about this you've gotta know that.

Guess what Shogun did to rampage?
Guess what W silva did to rampage once, mma match means nothing.

[CrypticOne]

I feel like Machida has the best chance to beat Jones.

But that is a long shot. Jones seems unbeatable and I don't see anyone currently in the division beating him. He simply is too big and unorthodox.

If anyone in the world can beat Jones right now, I'd say Anderson Silva.

[misjuevos]

i was most looking forward to diaz vs gomi, glad diaz won.

mizugaki was also a good fight. im sure he and all the other japanese fighters the ufc has will be on the ufc japan card.
hunt looked much improved usually when he goes to the ground it's over for him. he really improved his defense and actually got up from his back, almost subbed rothwell as well. very impressive.

i think big country or mitrione would be a good fight for browne next.

i was hoping hughes would win.

as far as jones rampage, didn't really care who won. the fight was ok think gomi vs diaz was fight of the night.

don't expect jones to throw so many or any kicks against rashad, it will be a wrestling fest and probably end in submission or gnp.

[Project862006]

sorry mace mma math does not work

ellenberger beat shields but jake beat hendo

should elleneberger be a favorite over hendo then? hell no

[Colossal Spoons]

It's weird with Bones, Idk if he just catches these good fighters(Shogun, Rampage) on off nights or if he's just that damn good. I felt bad for Rampage by the end :(

[Colossal Spoons]

What are people not seeing?

Shogun killed Machida


And Jones killed Shogun

"A > B and B > C so A must > C" doesn't work in sports

[E-Man]

Rashad>Forrest>Shogun>Machida>Rashad

Wanderlei>Rampage>Chuck>Tito>Wanderlei

I have proof that Brandon Vera is better than Fedor!
Vera>Mir>Nog>Werdum>Fedor

So fool proof that it must be true!