Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Alberto Falcone

[Rocketman]

They're the ones who ruin the movie for the one other person in the movie 7 weeks after release, by talking in a voice as if they were on the landing strip of an airport.

:lmao:: But in all seriousness, the idea of having so many masks in a massively huge movie where everyone and their unborns are seeing it would be the same as all the average joes who bickered about Bale's Batman voice. I realize there are longtime passionate fans who have the same complaint, but that was probably the number one remark I heard from everyone, including old people. Nolan always ends up doing that (unintentionally, of course). Inception's was Ken Watanabe and his incomprehensible dialogue.

[TheBatman072]

:lmao:: But in all seriousness, the idea of having so many masks in a massively huge movie where everyone and their unborns are seeing it would be the same as all the average joes who bickered about Bale's Batman voice. I realize there are longtime passionate fans who have the same complaint, but that was probably the number one remark I heard from everyone, including old people. Nolan always ends up doing that (unintentionally, of course). Inception's was Ken Watanabe and his incomprehensible dialogue.

Again, those people should be ignored.

They weren't watching the movie for the movie, but apparently little things that bothered them, and then concentrated on it even after the movie was over.

A few masks that happen to be the same color isn't going to make any difference. And even then, they won't be wearing them for the whole of the movie, and the only one who will probably be wearing the mask the MOST will be Bane.

It isn't a big deal.

[Rocketman]

Again, those people should be ignored.

They weren't watching the movie for the movie, but apparently little things that bothered them, and then concentrated on it even after the movie was over.

A few masks that happen to be the same color isn't going to make any difference. And even then, they won't be wearing them for the whole of the movie, and the only one who will probably be wearing the mask the MOST will be Bane.

It isn't a big deal.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm totally with you. I personally would love to see all of those characters on film.

So yes, ultimately, I agree that some people need to be ignored.

[BigEggo]

Again, those people should be ignored.

They weren't watching the movie for the movie, but apparently little things that bothered them, and then concentrated on it even after the movie was over.


to be fair,bales batman voice was really bad by the end of the film,cringeworthy. youre in the minority if you dont think it was distracting.

as to the inclusion of black mask-he is a rip-off of red skull,so that mask isnt going to be in the film.the other style-well,i can see where youre both coming from.the key here is how radically bane is reinterpreted by nolan.if hes still dressed like a mexican wrestler,than no problem,no ones gonna confuse them.but if bane is dressed like a gangster,or even a normal person for some of the film,then people will draw similarities.

i dont really see black mask being in this film,to be honest,i would say hes about 4th or 5th most likely character for levitt to be cast as (after alberto falcone,a cop or PI like bullock or jason bard,a new politician or DA...sionis is probably more likely than azrael/JPV but they would both distract alot from batman,catwoman and bane,which is why i dont see either).im betting on a cop or falcone.

[Gianakin_]

to be fair,bales batman voice was really bad by the end of the film,cringeworthy. youre in the minority if you dont think it was distracting.

And you get your statistics from where? The 15 people you went to TDK with and a bunch of people here?

[Mister H.]

^ No, he's right on. I can't tell you how many references to Bale's voice I've heard over the past couple of years. There was A LOT of giggling going on the theater at the second showing I saw-- I should note that there was much less of that at the midnight premiere, and I'm guessing that's due to the diehards being able to look past it. Most non-Batman junkies thought he voice was progressively silly as the movie unfolded. My wife even laughed during the interrogation scene and said "I can't even take this movie seriously.".

[Mister H.]

And for these suggestions that Bane shouldn't wear a mask...what? I think the "masks" people wear, and the methods they use to further their secret agenda will be a big theme of TDKR (Batman, Catwoman, Bane, maybe/hopefully Black Mask). It makes no sense to leave Bane without his mak.

[jmc]

I can honestly say the only complaining I've ever heard about Bale's voice stems from these and other superhero related forums.

[Gianakin_]

^ No, he's right on. I can't tell you how many references to Bale's voice I've heard over the past couple of years. There was A LOT of giggling going on the theater at the second showing I saw-- I should note that there was much less of that at the midnight premiere, and I'm guessing that's due to the diehards being able to look past it. Most non-Batman junkies thought he voice was progressively silly as the movie unfolded. My wife even laughed during the interrogation scene and said "I can't even take this movie seriously.".

So, in other words, just you and some people around you. Because I can easily present the counter-argument and say that nobody in the theater giggled or anything, in every one of the 7 times I saw it (well, 2 of my friends found it silly, but still). See? Easy. Still doesn't make my argument valid statistics.

I'm not saying that the voice hasn't caused an amount controversy, I'm not blind or deaf. But, just like the TDK suit, that controversy is nowhere near the proportions some people make it out to be.

[Mister H.]

I can honestly say the only complaining I've ever heard about Bale's voice stems from these and other superhero related forums.
I wish I could say that. Maybe he got carried away in the final act, but considering all he'd been through, its not hard for me to accept it and simply enjoy the film. Its funny that a lot of the folks I've heard make fun of his voice love watching movies centered around flying robots or emo vampires.

[Mister H.]

So, in other words, just you and some people around you. Because I can easily present the counter-argument and say that nobody in the theater giggled or anything, in every one of the 7 times I saw it (well, 2 of my friends found it silly, but still). See? Easy. Still doesn't make my argument valid statistics.

I'm not saying that the voice hasn't caused an amount controversy, I'm not blind or deaf. But, just like the TDK suit, that controversy is nowhere near the proportions some people make it out to be.
Relax, I'm not looking for statistical accuracy. The point is, many people find it silly, and it something Nolan should consider. I don't really care either way, I just hate that all I hear when TDK is mentioned is either over-the-top praise for Ledger, or fun being poked at Batman's voice.

[Gianakin_]

Relax, I'm not looking for statistical accuracy.

Oh, I get it, but the other guy I originally talked to spoke of minorities and I don't agree.

[Jokers_Wild]

Hmmm...I guess I'm in the minority also. I saw this movie 5 or 6 times in theaters and I don't recall a single instance of giggling because of 'the voice' in the people around me. I've never heard my wife complain or laugh about it, and she's SUPER picky when it comes to superhero movies! In fact she hates most of them, except the Nolan Batflicks and the first two Spider Man movies. So everybody has a different perception, I didn't realize people had a problem with the voice till I read about it on here...

[Darknightnomis]

The Voice was fine! Batman is supposed to growl like that. :word:

On the other hand, his jigsaw puzzle of a uniform was a problem. :huh:

[Miranda Fox]

Relax, I'm not looking for statistical accuracy. The point is, many people find it silly, and it something Nolan should consider. I don't really care either way, I just hate that all I hear when TDK is mentioned is either over-the-top praise for Ledger, or fun being poked at Batman's voice.

:dry:

[BigEggo]

Oh, I get it, but the other guy I originally talked to spoke of minorities and I don't agree.

im not trying to get into an argument on this,im just saying the no.1 thing everyone ive ever spoken to about TDK has said was wrong with it,was bales batman voice.obviously thats not going to prove anything to you,its my word against your word.so try this:type christian bale batman into google,the auto search choices are (obviously) just c b b, then c b b workout, c b b 3, then c b b voice.it comes up before christian bale batman begins.that should tell you something about how it was recieved.that result wouldnt come up for any other superhero portrayal.

also,you get a hell of a lot of results denouncing bales voice when you do search for it on google (including kevin conroy).

i thought his voice in BB was perfect.TDK was serious overkill.

[Gianakin_]

Like I said, it has definitely caused controversy. I never denied that. The reason I responded was that you talked about those who liked it being a minority, that's all. A few (or many) results on google really don't prove anything. It proves there is an issue, but not how big it is.

You can google Tobey as Spidey crying and you'll get results, but that doesn't mean that the majority of the viewers thought he cried too much or too often.

[KRIM]

I can honestly say the only complaining I've ever heard about Bale's voice stems from these and other superhero related forums.
People in normal conversation typically don't really talk about things they dislike in a film they ultimately like. TDK was inarguably a film people received well, but I think they're more than aware of the issues many in the fan and film community discuss thoroughly. They just don't care enough to discuss it.

Just as an example, you can find hundreds of parodies on the batvoice, in pop culture as well as on YouTube. The voice didn't nearly get this enough attention before Bale took on the role. At best people loved to imitate the "I'm Batman" line, but that was out of reverence. In this particular case it was definitely poking fun.

[Gianakin_]

Well, many parodies happen because people like the element they parodise. Southpark, for example. Mysterion was ultimately Bale's Batman.

[KRIM]

Perhaps, but when so many have also vocally expressed their distaste for it, at the very least I would say it's divisive amongst everyone.

[Gianakin_]

How many are the "so many"? That's what I'm arguing here.

[BigEggo]

Like I said, it has definitely caused controversy. I never denied that. The reason I responded was that you talked about those who liked it being a minority, that's all. A few (or many) results on google really don't prove anything. It proves there is an issue, but not how big it is.

You can google Tobey as Spidey crying and you'll get results, but that doesn't mean that the majority of the viewers thought he cried too much or too often.

i think the fact that typing the words christian bale batman into google and having his voice appear as the 4th most requested search shows the difference between that and tobey maguires spiderman crying,which doesnt register as one of the most frequently searched terms.there are also countless facebook groups about bales voice,most of them laughing at it or saying how it annoyed them.perhaps its a vocal minority but when someone mentions bales batman to me now,i expect it to be a negative comment about his voice.

[KRIM]

How many are the "so many"? That's what I'm arguing here.
Does actual quantity matter? There's no proper way to poll it. All I can gather is enough people have brought it up that it would be foolish to say it's only a vocal minority that have issue with it. That is not to say that it's a detriment to their overall experience of the movie. As I said above, I think it's been noted as not being particularly good, but also dismissed because everything else in the films have been so great.

[Gianakin_]

@BigEggo: That's all well and good, but, again, how does it constitute a majority? Can you see my issue here?

[Gianakin_]

Does actual quantity matter? There's no proper way to poll it. All I can gather is enough people have brought it up that it would be foolish to say it's only a vocal minority that have issue with it. That is not to say that it's a detriment to their overall experience of the movie. As I said above, I think it's been noted as not being particularly good, but also dismissed because everything else in the films have been so great.

I don't disagree. It was said in a previous post "you're in the minority if you liked the Balevoice" and I was really really curious how one could come to that conclusion.

[malnat11]

Here is the link to who he is playing! http://www.**************.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=29748

[DonnyLebeau]

Hopefully the link above is accurate and we don't have to see Black Mask in this film.

But even so, it's not uncommon for it to be done.

Begins - Scarecrow wears a mask, The Ninjas from the League(including Raas briefly) did too and there was no REAL connection between them.

Dark Knight - Scarecrow again wearing a mask with all the fake Batmen wearing them too, Joker and his henchmen wear masks in the bank scene.

So it really doesn't take away anything by having multiple masked villains or heroes as documented.

[Ecstasy]

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bane_batmanarkhamasylum.jpg


My mind is blown.

[Boom]

What an awful depiction of the character.

[TheBatman072]

So, in other words, just you and some people around you. Because I can easily present the counter-argument and say that nobody in the theater giggled or anything, in every one of the 7 times I saw it (well, 2 of my friends found it silly, but still). See? Easy. Still doesn't make my argument valid statistics.

I'm not saying that the voice hasn't caused an amount controversy, I'm not blind or deaf. But, just like the TDK suit, that controversy is nowhere near the proportions some people make it out to be.

Yep. Same here.

I was in a packed theater the first time I saw it, people all around me. Nobody laughed.

All the rest of the times I saw it, pretty much still a packed theater, nobody laughed.

[The Wizard]

Still nothing official, right?

[Infinity9999x]

My mind is blown.

Not a bad design for a video game, but you couldn't really get that look in live action. His proportions are ridiculously off.

And I think if Nolan does do a direct injection Venom system, it will be something very discreet and almost medical looking. Kind of like how you don't know some people are wearing heart monitors unless they took their shirt off to show you the wires.

[BigEggo]

Here is the link to who he is playing! http://www.**************.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=29748

would be happy with that,much better choice than the black mask IMO.and nestor carbonell was a great mayor.

[Octoberist]

It's probably fake.

[BigEggo]

oh i know.hence "would".im still rooting for the underdog on this one (azrael). 90s overkill needs some love.

[zenbird]

JGL as the character mentioned in the link would certainly fit with Nolan's quasi-realistic universe, and make sense as far as dramatic closure. So Bane would be a mob enforcer?

As a side note, one of my students...his stepfather is the head of Legendary Pictures. :) So far the kid has been immune to my hints and bribery....but it's a long school year.

:)

[jmc]

I'd like to propose a gentleman's (and ladies) agreement between all forums members that links to ************** be hereby forbidden for the purpose of helping quash the nonsensical rumours that keep flying out of that website. All we're doing is encouraging them.

[batman11]

As a side note, one of my students...his stepfather is the head of Legendary Pictures. :) So far the kid has been immune to my hints and bribery....but it's a long school year.

:)

It simple. Tell him: Batman, or you fail.

You'll most likely get fired, but it's worth a shot. :funny:

[thebatsam]

Ain't it cool news says he's being 'earmarked' as Hugo Strange

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48312

[def28]

Ain't it cool news says he's being 'earmarked' as Hugo Strange

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48312
They thought the same about Tom Hardy. JGL is too young for Strange.

[Chee]

Ain't it cool news says he's being 'earmarked' as Hugo Strange

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48312

Maaan, that's bull too.

[Charlie The Red]

We haven't heard anything else about this in over a week. Seems like since filming is starting today, we would've heard something by now.

Maybe deadline screwed up.

[Van Petrol]

We haven't heard anything else about this in over a week. Seems like since filming is starting today, we would've heard something by now.

Maybe deadline screwed up.

I wouldn't write this off just yet. Major characters and actors can be cast during the filming of a movie, depending on when their scenes are to commence and be shot.

[FlawlessVictory]

We haven't heard anything else about this in over a week. Seems like since filming is starting today, we would've heard something by now.

Maybe deadline screwed up.

I don't think Deadline screwed up. I expect JGL to be in this movie but I don't think WB will officially state who he is playing for months. Reminds me of when Topher Grace was cast in SM3.

[Rowsdower!]

I don't think Deadline screwed up. I expect JGL to be in this movie but I don't think WB will officially state who he is playing for months. Reminds me of when Topher Grace was cast in SM3.

That's it! I figured it out! I know who JGL is playing! He's going to be VENOM!!!!

No, not Venom from Spider-Man. He's going to actually play the Venom super steroid as it pulses through Bane's body, fueling his power. This will likely be depicted as a CGI liquid creature with Joseph Gordon Leavitt's face.

The answer was right in front of us the entire time.

[Kingslayer]

That's it! I figured it out! I know who JGL is playing! He's going to be VENOM!!!!

No, not Venom from Spider-Man. He's going to actually play the Venom super steroid as it pulses through Bane's body, fueling his power. This will likely be depicted as a CGI liquid creature with Joseph Gordon Leavitt's face.

The answer was right in front of us the entire time.

I don't even think Schumacher could have thought of that. It may have made Batman and Robin a bit more enjoyable though (with someone besides JGL, as he may have been a bit too young.)

[Rowsdower!]

I don't even think Schumacher could have thought of that. It may have made Batman and Robin a bit more enjoyable though (with someone besides JGL, as he may have been a bit too young.)

Having my eyes gouged would have made Batman & Robin more enjoyable.

[Nave 'Torment']

That link from CBM has been removed. Curious much?

[Secret Fawful]

Having my eyes gouged would have made Batman & Robin more enjoyable.
Batman and Robin is one of the greatest comedies ever made. It doesn't matter if it was intentional. It is. I'm not making a joke. It's unintentionally a great send-up of Batman.

[Octoberist]

That link from CBM has been removed. Curious much?

The real reason is because they made it up from a tweet from Stax of ign.com. Stax was just guessing who JGL will be playing and CBM took the tweet and twisted 'the words around. So Stax emailed them and they pulled the article.

[ChrisB]

We haven't heard anything else about this in over a week. Seems like since filming is starting today, we would've heard something by now.

Maybe deadline screwed up.

They're just shooting buildings today. I don't think shooting will involve actors until May.

[Nave 'Torment']

I'd like to propose a gentleman's (and ladies) agreement between all forums members that links to ************** be hereby forbidden for the purpose of helping quash the nonsensical rumours that keep flying out of that website. All we're doing is encouraging them.

Agreed. You can post anything on there and it's stopped being 'fun' a long time ago. No offense to any members who frequent between this site and CBM, but most of the forum members there are more willing to indulgent in banalities than any other site I've been on!

[Miranda Fox]

They're just shooting buildings today. I don't think shooting will involve actors until May.

Exactly.

And last time JGL's name came up for a role in TDKR, his people were quick to point out that no talks had happened at that time (which they wouldn't have done) after sites like Gossip Cop contacted them for comment. The clue sometimes is in what you're not hearing here: if this weren't true, it would've been denied by someone and 'in talks' is a bold statement to make.

[Van Petrol]

He'll be in it, I'm pretty certain. Though I'm just a bit p***ed that now I can't use him or Hardy when I takeover the reigns. Grr!! :cmad:




:o:cwink::oldrazz:

[Kingslayer]

Having my eyes gouged would have made Batman & Robin more enjoyable.

Oh come on, you're being too harsh. It's a comedy goldmine.

Batman and Robin is one of the greatest comedies ever made. It doesn't matter if it was intentional. It is. I'm not making a joke. It's unintentionally a great send-up of Batman.

This! I feel like it gets more hilarious every time I watch it.

[Nave 'Torment']

He'll be in it, I'm pretty certain. Though I'm just a bit p***ed that now I can't use him or Hardy when I takeover the reigns. Grr!! :cmad:

:o:cwink::oldrazz:

Don't let older casting stop you :) Just ask Ryan Reynolds and Chris Evans!

Oh come on, you're being too harsh. It's a comedy goldmine.


This! I feel like it gets more hilarious every time I watch it.

Batman & Robin would've been a lot better if George Clooney took cues from Adam West's work. Seriously, it feels like a second-rate Silver Age film, but with its budget it could've been one of the finest, funnest, and fastest camp films made. The Brave and the Bold is proof of that.

[Van Petrol]

Don't let older casting stop you :) Just ask Ryan Reynolds and Chris Evans!

Heh, yeah. :woot: Though I've never seen it done in the same universe (i.e. the Batman Universe) so to speak before. Unless of course you count Vincent Wong who appeared in both B89 and BB. :D

[B.A. Baracus]

Here is the link to who he is playing! http://www.**************.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=29748

What did the link say? it's dead.

[B.A. Baracus]

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/rumour-joseph-gordon-levitt-playing-alberto-falcone-in-the-dark-knight-rises.php

[Knight Rise]

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/rumour-joseph-gordon-levitt-playing-alberto-falcone-in-the-dark-knight-rises.php

i voted for Thomas Elliot. Over 200 people want him for Robin :facepalm:

[B.A. Baracus]

really? oh dear. I just want robin well away from this franchise.

If i'm totally honest i wish he'd never been created.

[Octoberist]

@ BA Baracus

Not to rib on you but that's a silly thing to say.

Honestly, I really think the people who don't like Robin as a character or concept hasn't actively read a Batman comic book in years.

Listen, even I don't keep up with Batman comics all the time (it's expensive), but I enjoyed Nightwing (as a character), the numerous interpretations of Robin in 'Batman: The Animated Series' and even 'Young Justice', the current run of 'Batman & Robin' and the numerous appearances he ( or rather, they) had in the comics. He's not my favorite character(s), but I can respect what Robin (no matter who donned the cape) has done for the Batman Family and mythos. People need to get the 60s show stigma out of their heads.

[craigdbfan]

Very well said Octoberist.

[Frankenmation]

Honestly, I really think the people who don't like Robin as a character or concept hasn't actively read a Batman comic book in years.


You're being quite generous there, I don't think they've read any kind of Batman comic at all (besides Miller/Loeb of course).

[Octoberist]

It's based on the Silver Age stereotype. I understand that Dick Greyson's origins can be a little absurd, but without him you wouldn't have Nightwing.

Even Robin now in the comics or the cartoons (Young Justice) acts like a mini-Batman anyway (Detective, disappears alot, martial arts) so I don't get the hate.

[craigdbfan]

In the right hands the entire Grayson arc can be made into a very surreal experience due to the absurd nature of his parents career. No offense to circus performers.

Having Grayson being a criminal makes sense after seeing the mob destroy his family in such a cruel manner. Until his encounter with Batman/Bruce.

[Frankenmation]

Even Robin now in the comics or the cartoons (Young Justice) acts like a mini-Batman anyway (Detective, disappears alot, martial arts) so I don't get the hate.

I reckon it's the 60s show and the Schumacher films contributing to that factor, whether people want to admit it or not. Which I think is silly, because I actually think that Robin (in Batman Forever, not B&R) was one of the better aspects of the Shumacher legacy.

[The Red Hood]

@ BA Baracus

Not to rib on you but that's a silly thing to say.

Honestly, I really think the people who don't like Robin as a character or concept hasn't actively read a Batman comic book in years.



You're incorrect.

I've been reading Batman comics for almost twenty-five years, but I still dislike the concept of Robin. That said, good writing and characterization has made it impossible not to like and care about the Robin character.

But the concept, namely, that a youthful character was needed to make The Batman more "accessible" was ridiculous in 1940 and is still ridiculous today. National forced the character's inclusion in the comics.

But I differ from many Batman fans who believe the character is insane or psychotic. I prefer the O'Neill/Englehart Batman, who is driven and intense, but also compassionate and even at times, able to enjoy what he does.

Such characterization is possible without the inclusion of a character like Robin.

-Hood

[Octoberist]

He said that he wish the character never existed and to me, that would be a Butterfly Effect, causing the Batman that we know to be completely different. Or non-existant.

[Frankenmation]

This whole argument about Robin being introduced to appeal to kids is idiocy. He was introduced in 1940, and who was the main audience for comics at the time? KIDS.

[Frankenmation]

He said that he wish the character never existed and to me, that would be a Butterfly Effect, causing the Batman that we know to be completely different. Or non-existant.

To tell you the truth, if Robin was never introduced I don't think I'd be that interested in Batman comics/movies etc in general. Blasphemy I know! :awesome:

[craigdbfan]

I think the character has defintely evolved into a necessary and respectful counter part to Batman.

Usually when people think Batman the next character is Robin or the Joker.

[DarKJediKnight]

Why are people still worried about a child Robin being included in the films (theoretically, since I don't think he will be included in Nolan's current story arc) when in BTAS, Robin is made a young grown man and Batman's apprentice-partner? That mean Robin could be interpreted in that way... which was done in Schumacher's film, only done poorly.

[B.A. Baracus]

@ BA Baracus

Not to rib on you but that's a silly thing to say.

Honestly, I really think the people who don't like Robin as a character or concept hasn't actively read a Batman comic book in years.

Listen, even I don't keep up with Batman comics all the time (it's expensive), but I enjoyed Nightwing (as a character), the numerous interpretations of Robin in 'Batman: The Animated Series' and even 'Young Justice', the current run of 'Batman & Robin' and the numerous appearances he ( or rather, they) had in the comics. He's not my favorite character(s), but I can respect what Robin (no matter who donned the cape) has done for the Batman Family and mythos. People need to get the 60s show stigma out of their heads.

With respect i'm a huge batman fan, have been since 1989. I still actively keep up with the comics and such and know a awful lot on the mytho's behin Batman and the other characters, and i stand by what i said , i wish he'd never been created. I'm not ramming that down anyones throat, if you like him, great. I dont, never have, never will.

For me Batman as a character works much better as a lone figure. There are of course some great stories out there featuring Robin, even ones that have him at the centre of the story, but that does not take away from the fact i dont actually like the character.

I'm sure alot of people of this board have read very few comics and are even passing Batman fan's, alas i am not one of those.

[B.A. Baracus]

This whole argument about Robin being introduced to appeal to kids is idiocy. He was introduced in 1940, and who was the main audience for comics at the time? KIDS.

His original creation was aimed to appeal to kids, Bob Kane himself said it, as has Denny O'Neil. Not to boost sales but to give young children a young role model. Batman after all is a adult.

[The Red Hood]

With respect i'm a huge batman fan, have been since 1989. I still actively keep up with the comics and such and know a awful lot on the mytho's behin Batman and the other characters, and i stand by what i said , i wish he'd never been created. I'm not ramming that down anyones throat, if you like him, great. I dont, never have, never will.

For me Batman as a character works much better as a lone figure. There are of course some great stories out there featuring Robin, even ones that have him at the centre of the story, but that does not take away from the fact i dont actually like the character.

I'm sure alot of people of this board have read very few comics and are even passing Batman fan's, alas i am not one of those.

:up:

[ALP]

I only take rumors with a grain of salt. But Levitt as Alberto Falcone sounds good.

[Bruce Malone]

With respect i'm a huge batman fan, have been since 1989. I still actively keep up with the comics and such and know a awful lot on the mytho's behin Batman and the other characters, and i stand by what i said , i wish he'd never been created. I'm not ramming that down anyones throat, if you like him, great. I dont, never have, never will.

For me Batman as a character works much better as a lone figure. There are of course some great stories out there featuring Robin, even ones that have him at the centre of the story, but that does not take away from the fact i dont actually like the character.

I'm sure alot of people of this board have read very few comics and are even passing Batman fan's, alas i am not one of those.

:up::batman:

[Mister H.]

My god, there really are people that think JGL will play Dick Grayson. Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here!

[Nave 'Torment']

Heh, yeah. :woot: Though I've never seen it done in the same universe (i.e. the Batman Universe) so to speak before. Unless of course you count Vincent Wong who appeared in both B89 and BB. :D

Is that the old guy who reminded the Joker of his father? I know he's apparently a big Batman fan and did a V.O. in BTAS or something? Damn, we're probably even bigger fans. Damn you influential money.

Oh and here's another trivia: Bob Kane's wife made cameos in all the old Batman films except '89 and '66 - in Returns she played the lady who says "He is like a frog who became the prince" (at Penguin, reading a headline outloud), and in Forever and B&R she was that gossip columnist who kept pushing George Clooney to get married. And yes, it was George Clooney in that film, not Batman. Not even the funny, campy Adam West Batman, but George Clooney himself. I want him in another Batman movie now :D For ****s and giggles.

i voted for Thomas Elliot. Over 200 people want him for Robin

Personally though, I wouldn't want either. Hardy was a shoe-in for Hush, but they side-stepped that. I'm not much of a Bane fan but I'm beginning to love the decision. If you have Bane, there's no point in adding Hush, they are virtually very similar - dopplegangers to Batman, masked identities, manipulating the rogue's gallery, etc. I wish this time the villain(s) do figure out Batman's identity.

Sadly, I think Selina won't know who Batman is, but we'll leave the story from Bruce's perspective, with him figuring out it was Kyle. Like in the comics.

really? oh dear. I just want robin well away from this franchise.

If i'm totally honest i wish he'd never been created.

Well there seems to be a lot of that, no offense Baracus, but I'm a huge Robin fan (even though I don't want him in THIS series). But don't go to such extremes, it might compel people to say "I wish BA BARACUS was never created."

Honestly, I really think the people who don't like Robin as a character or concept hasn't actively read a Batman comic book in years.

Listen, even I don't keep up with Batman comics all the time (it's expensive), but I enjoyed Nightwing (as a character), the numerous interpretations of Robin in 'Batman: The Animated Series' and even 'Young Justice', the current run of 'Batman & Robin' and the numerous appearances he ( or rather, they) had in the comics. He's not my favorite character(s), but I can respect what Robin (no matter who donned the cape) has done for the Batman Family and mythos. People need to get the 60s show stigma out of their heads.

Definitely :up: I really hope the next series of films deal with Dick Grayson's character more properly. If Tim Burton made Forever, it could've been one of the best Robin stories ever made - he loves writing about orphans, and a 9-year-old Grayson lost in the world, forced to live in the vast gothic mansion that is Wayne Manor, and training in caves to embrace his colourful past as Robin? Now that would've changed some opinions.

You're being quite generous there, I don't think they've read any kind of Batman comic at all (besides Miller/Loeb of course).

To be honest, both those writers are fascinated by the Robin persona. Anyone who enjoyed their stories to the fullest would have at least a grudging respect for the character.

In the right hands the entire Grayson arc can be made into a very surreal experience due to the absurd nature of his parents career. No offense to circus performers.

Having Grayson being a criminal makes sense after seeing the mob destroy his family in such a cruel manner. Until his encounter with Batman/Bruce.

I agree to the first part of your comment, but definitely disagree with the second. A criminal Robin is Jason Todd, not Dicky Grayson. I still want Tim Burton to make that Grayson Orphan story :) Maybe a book, or animated, or even a play.

But the concept, namely, that a youthful character was needed to make The Batman more "accessible" was ridiculous in 1940 and is still ridiculous today. National forced the character's inclusion in the comics.

But I differ from many Batman fans who believe the character is insane or psychotic. I prefer the O'Neill/Englehart Batman, who is driven and intense, but also compassionate and even at times, able to enjoy what he does.

Such characterization is possible without the inclusion of a character like Robin.

-Hood
I see you feel pretty strongly about this, but here's my two-cents: it's true that Robin was created to appeal to kids, but that was the intention he was created, it has little to do with the function he has inside the story. Catwoman was created to appeal to women and give male readers a little more excitement, but that's not the way she's interpreted within the stories. The core of Grayson's character has little to do with readership acceibility than it has with the parallels between Wayne and Grayson's parallels. And I think those parallels make for beautiful story telling. The characterisation is of course possible without Robin, but that was never the intention. You don't characterise Batman by characterising Robin, they are distinct personalities of their own. At best you may compare them, and find contrasts between them, but one does not rely on the other for definition. Grayson's story about an orphan boy in the circus, whose youth is very much filled with colourful troupes, a life constantly moving from place to place, and then shattered by that one tragic moment when he sees both his parents killed and his one 'safe' haven (the circus tent) destroyed by powers far greater than he is able to comprehend, is a strong and dramatic narrative in its own right. The contrast between Haly's colourful tents to the lugubrious Wayne Manor, filled with dejection, darkness and depression, is brilliant if done right. Grayson has his own story, and I would dare to say that this orphan's story is much more dramatic and powerful than the one who preceded him.

Speaking of Robins, the others aren't so bad either. Jason Todd has a good back story, as do Tim Drake. But Grayson's tale is by far the greatest, in my opinion.

[Nave 'Torment']

I only take rumors with a grain of salt. But Levitt as Alberto Falcone sounds good.

Best idea yet :up:

[Jericholyte]

Has it not crossed people minds that he could be cast as the Joker? The guy could almost be a double for Heath Ledger (during Inception when he swims out of the car I keep thinking it's Heath) And if it's only a bit-part of the story I'm sure he could pull the character off.

[Mako]

Has it not crossed people minds that he could be cast as the Joker? The guy could almost be a double for Heath Ledger (during Inception when he swims out of the car I keep thinking it's Heath) And if it's only a bit-part of the story I'm sure he could pull the character off.

ALOT of people have thought that even before any confirmation about anything was released.

[Octoberist]

Nolan has said no to Joker openly. Also, Heath didn't sound or look like Heath as The Joker so it's a moot point. May I add that as much as I like Joe Gordon Levitt, he's not much of a character actor so I'd doubt he would totally transform into an entirely different person if he was indeed te Joker..

[Bruce Malone]

Is that the old guy who reminded the Joker of his father? I know he's apparently a big Batman fan and did a V.O. in BTAS or something? Damn, we're probably even bigger fans. Damn you influential money.

Oh and here's another trivia: Bob Kane's wife made cameos in all the old Batman films except '89 and '66 - in Returns she played the lady who says "He is like a frog who became the prince" (at Penguin, reading a headline outloud), and in Forever and B&R she was that gossip columnist who kept pushing George Clooney to get married. And yes, it was George Clooney in that film, not Batman. Not even the funny, campy Adam West Batman, but George Clooney himself. I want him in another Batman movie now :D For ****s and giggles.



Personally though, I wouldn't want either. Hardy was a shoe-in for Hush, but they side-stepped that. I'm not much of a Bane fan but I'm beginning to love the decision. If you have Bane, there's no point in adding Hush, they are virtually very similar - dopplegangers to Batman, masked identities, manipulating the rogue's gallery, etc. I wish this time the villain(s) do figure out Batman's identity.

Sadly, I think Selina won't know who Batman is, but we'll leave the story from Bruce's perspective, with him figuring out it was Kyle. Like in the comics.



Well there seems to be a lot of that, no offense Baracus, but I'm a huge Robin fan (even though I don't want him in THIS series). But don't go to such extremes, it might compel people to say "I wish BA BARACUS was never created."



Definitely :up: I really hope the next series of films deal with Dick Grayson's character more properly. If Tim Burton made Forever, it could've been one of the best Robin stories ever made - he loves writing about orphans, and a 9-year-old Grayson lost in the world, forced to live in the vast gothic mansion that is Wayne Manor, and training in caves to embrace his colourful past as Robin? Now that would've changed some opinions.




???

You do know that burton's robin was going be a black teenager played by marlon wayans don't you? Before he got cut out of returns due to there being already too many characters.

[Banana-Hotdog]

???

You do know that burton's robin was going be a black teenager played by marlon wayans don't you? Before he got cut out of returns due to there being already too many characters.

I've got no problem with Robin being black. And I've heard this bit of trivia before, except I never heard that Marlon Wayans was supposed to be Robin. Now THAT I do have a problem with.

EDIT: Yikes. Just googled all of this and discovered that Marlon was up for the part in Batman Returns AND Batman Forever and he is currently making a "White Chicks 2"....ugh.

[CinematicESP]

I'm hoping JGL plays Azrael. Both he and Catwoman could represent that not only has Batman inspired madness in villains, but he's also attracted loonies on the good side as well. He could see potential in Azrael, and chooses him as Batman's replacement after Bane breaks his back earlier on in the film. Azrael takes it too far, and starts killing criminals. Bruce must rise (out of the wheelchair) and take up his mantle again, stopping Azrael. The final battle could be between Batman and Azrael's Batman. He'd be facing a darker version of himself, and Heath-Ledger-lookalike JGL in the role would make that all the more deliciously Freudian...

[regwec]

???

You do know that burton's robin was going be a black teenager played by marlon wayans don't you? Before he got cut out of returns due to there being already too many characters.
I don't see why it would matter if Robin was a black kid. I don't see his character as having to be specifically white, as with Bruce Wayne or Alfred.

[itsthebatman]

I don't see why it would matter if Robin was a black kid. I don't see his character as having to be specifically white, as with Bruce Wayne or Alfred.
Not too much of a departure from the source material?

[Octoberist]

I don't mind if Robin was black actually.

[Nave 'Torment']

???

You do know that burton's robin was going be a black teenager played by marlon wayans don't you? Before he got cut out of returns due to there being already too many characters.

Yes, I am aware of those rumors and I have that animated scene of the storyboards, with Conroy doing the voice, but I was referring to a possible Tim Burton film where he considers Robin as the 9-year-old orphan that he is. There was a reason why he dropped Robin from two consecutive Batman movies; because he didn't think the script did justice to the character. In a possible third film, he would've had more time to explore/entertain the idea of that aspect of Robin's character. Knowing Burton's writing, he has an affinity towards young depressed children, Dick Grayson as he is in the comics would've been a perfect candidate.

And, it wouldn't have mattered if Grayson was black, yellow, red, or brown; just as long as he was an orphan child with parallels to Bruce.

[B.A. Baracus]

Well there seems to be a lot of that, no offense Baracus, but I'm a huge Robin fan (even though I don't want him in THIS series). But don't go to such extremes, it might compel people to say "I wish BA BARACUS was never created."






With respect if someone says 'i wish B.A. was never created, then fair enough, thats their opinion, i respect it, i personally wish robin was never created, and thats just it, its my opinion. if people love robin, then good for them i respect that. I'm a much bigger Batman fan than that of the a team, but wanted something a tad more original than 'Batman**42'

To each their own.

[PrincessBoss]

Has anyone seen BOF today? JGL as 'Harold Quinn', the Joker's doctor . . . who becomes the Joker #2. I've no idea if it's some sort of wind-up or not – help!

[B.A. Baracus]

Oh thats gotta be a wind up.

[regwec]

Not too much of a departure from the source material?
No, I don't think so. You have to ask yourself what there is about any of the Robins which is particularly European/Caucasian. I struggle to come up with much. That doesn't follow for farm boy Clark Kent or feudal knight Bruce Wayne, but there are some characters for whom a bit more melanin makes little difference.

[regwec]

Has anyone seen BOF today? JGL as 'Harold Quinn', the Joker's doctor . . . who becomes the Joker #2. I've no idea if it's some sort of wind-up or not – help!
Jett has stopped sniffing and started injecting.

[KrakenAttack]

They're scouting in India so obviously Joseph Gordon-Levitt is Sin Fang.

[jazzmatik]

They're scouting in India so obviously Joseph Gordon-Levitt is Sin Fang.

I think it's wicked they are filming in some exotic locations.

[Mister H.]

Jett has stopped sniffing and started injecting.
I'm giggling.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Has JGL even been officially cast? I mean Warners announced Hathaway and Hardy but they haven't said a peep about JGL yet. I'm not really doubting that he will be as it's very likely but I find it funny that we are discussing which role he will play when nobody has 100% confirmed his involvement yet.

Oh well, back to guessing.

[Visceral]

If Robin can be done in a dramatically complex, non-homosexual innuendo, realistic style I won't mind him in the film.

I do like the character but there very few times when he is there as a protege and many when he is there as a character to camp up batman's world and make him more appealing toward children. I can understand both parties complaints.

If Nolan does go with Robin I do think it will be unlike any version we have seen. He will be on some thin ice, I hope it can support his weight.

[DieSmiling]

I'm definitely against making Robin black, especially if he's going to be Dick Grayson.

There doesn't need to be something intrinsic about their character that makes them white when their image is iconic. Robin has been around for 70 years, and he's always been white.

Of course, it still bothers me that Michelle Pfieffer has blonde hair in Batman Returns, so I'm definitely a purist in that sense.

[TheBatman072]

Robin, in any incarnation, is not going to be in this movie.

I will bet you ALL of that guy's life savings that Robin will not be in this movie.

And neither will Nightwing or Azrael.

[Banana-Hotdog]

Robin, in any incarnation, is not going to be in this movie.

I will bet you ALL of that guy's life savings that Robin will not be in this movie.

And neither will Nightwing or Azrael.

Meh. I'm with you on Nightwing and Robin, but I'd give at least a 1% chance to Azrael. And, well, not exactly Azrael, but a character named Jean Paul Valley. At least a 1% chance of a guy named Jean-Paul who takes over as Batman if Bruce is incapacitated and the guy goes psycho with the role and then Bruce has to take him down. I doubt that they do anything like that, but I would say it's in the realm of possibility, unlike Robin or Nightwing or... Talia. Yeah. I said it.

[TheBatman072]

Meh. I'm with you on Nightwing and Robin, but I'd give at least a 1% chance to Azrael. And, well, not exactly Azrael, but a character named Jean Paul Valley. At least a 1% chance of a guy named Jean-Paul who takes over as Batman if Bruce is incapacitated and the guy goes psycho with the role and then Bruce has to take him down. I doubt that they do anything like that, but I would say it's in the realm of possibility, unlike Robin or Nightwing or... Talia. Yeah. I said it.

Nope, not even Jean Paul Valley. Or Talia.

None of them will be in this movie.

I can almost 100% promise that.

[Paste Pot Pete]

So who will be?

[Banana-Hotdog]

Nope, not even Jean Paul Valley. Or Talia.

None of them will be in this movie.

I can almost 100% promise that.

The key word there is "almost". Sounds like someone has a little bit of doubt...perhaps 1% of doubt?

[TheBatman072]

So who will be?

No one.

This movie will feature Christopher Nolan peeing on all of us in 3D.

It will make 50 billion dollars.

[TheBatman072]

The key word there is "almost". Sounds like someone has a little bit of doubt...perhaps 1% of doubt?

I'm uncomfortable with saying 100% because nothing is.

But if I had to, in this case, I would.

[Visceral]

What if Nolan combines the characters of robin and azrael?:o:cwink:

[TheBatman072]

What if Nolan combines the characters of robin and azrael?:o:cwink:

That's just 200% chance of not happening.

[Visceral]

That's just 200% chance of not happening.

Don't run from it, you know you want this

[TheBatman072]

Don't run from it, you know you want this

Just because I'm dressed this way, doesn't mean I want Robin or Jean Paul Valley in this movie.

I'm not a whore.

[Nave 'Torment']

Michael Rosenbaum will appear in this movie :awesome:

[Visceral]

Michael Rosenbaum will appear in this movie :awesome:

as two face?:wow:

[regwec]

I'm definitely against making Robin black, especially if he's going to be Dick Grayson.

There doesn't need to be something intrinsic about their character that makes them white when their image is iconic. Robin has been around for 70 years, and he's always been white.

Of course, it still bothers me that Michelle Pfieffer has blonde hair in Batman Returns, so I'm definitely a purist in that sense.
But there is something intrinsically European about Batman; he is a knight that lives in a castle and dons armour to fight monsters with his squire. I remember arguing to Tim Sale that there is hardly anything specifically culturally American about Batman. He is a better artist than a debater.

The point is that everything about old family aristocrat Bruce Wayne, and his knightly guise of Batman, is culturally white. That isn't the same with Dick.

Having said that, I am not advocating the change for its own sake. My point is simply that Tim Burton's black Robin wouldn't have been a big deal.

[the amazing fro]

But there is something intrinsically European about Batman; he is a knight that lives in a castle and dons armour to fight monsters with his squire. I remember arguing to Tim Sale that there is hardly anything specifically culturally American about Batman. He is a better artist than a debater.

The point is that everything about old family aristocrat Bruce Wayne, and his knightly guise of Batman, is culturally white. That isn't the same with Dick.

Having said that, I am not advocating the change for its own sake. My point is simply that Tim Burton's black Robin wouldn't have been a big deal.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8118/namedropping.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/namedropping.jpg/)
:oldrazz:

Though I agree robins race isn't really integral to the character.

[regwec]

Well, it was online. It's not like we had him around for dinner.

[Doctor Jones]

You actually argued with Sale? Hot damn, I need to see that.

And I don't know why people are thinking Robin will be in this film. Or why rumors are even taking form. Nolan and Bale have said he will never be in these films.

I don't know what's worse. This or "Chameleon could be in the next Spider-Man film because there are TWO Spider-Man's by the car when filming!" in the Spider-Man threads.

[def28]

Iit would take alot of time to set up Robin and theres already Catwoman added to the mix. Unless they had him as Night wing and just ditched his origin but ...thats not gonna happen.

I expect him playing a mob character. That will be there regardless. Theres not much room for other heros and major villains.

[Saint]

But there is something intrinsically European about Batman; he is a knight that lives in a castle and dons armour to fight monsters with his squire. I remember arguing to Tim Sale that there is hardly anything specifically culturally American about Batman. He is a better artist than a debater.

The point is that everything about old family aristocrat Bruce Wayne, and his knightly guise of Batman, is culturally white. That isn't the same with Dick.

Having said that, I am not advocating the change for its own sake. My point is simply that Tim Burton's black Robin wouldn't have been a big deal.

Your point is well made; I never thought of it that way.

[infamous]

So who will be?

Alberto Falcone

[Knight Rise]

Alberto Falcone

or Roman Sionis. As much as i want him as Tommy Elliott, Falcone and Sionis are the ones that seem logical

[Project862006]

how can anyone say robin could not work if marvel can make bucky work nolan could make robin work

[ronny]

Strange as it seems, I can almost see him as a younger Tommy Elliott. If Batman is put in the hospital, Hush may appear as a good guy. Good old Tommy Elliott coming to save the day.

I think that could be an interesting direction.

[def28]

how can anyone say robin could not work if marvel can make bucky work nolan could make robin work

Robin could work. If they started to develop Robin in Batman Begins or The Dark Knight I could see it happening, but since this is the last Batman film for Nolans franchise I dont see them introducing a major character like Robin this late in the game. Catwoman and Bane will take plenty of screen time up as it is. The focus should be on Batman. Robin would need and take up alot of of screen to be done right imo.

If Nolan did want to add Robin of course it could work the man doesnt fail.

[Avengers-Report]

I mean if anything, they could end with some sort of lead into Robin. At least WB would have some direction to take the franchise once Chris is done.

[def28]

Yeah, Im sure Robins one of the first things WB will want to add after Nolans trilogy.

[ronny]

Imagine if he was playing this guy:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o235/RonnyGreen/hatbodiespng.jpg

We need a new freak villain. Bane doesn't fit that bill, neither does Catwoman. If Bane becomes a 'protector' of Gotham I like the idea of him offing a freak like the Hatter, who could be portrayed as a Dahmer-esque serial killer.

Something tells me Levitt could nail that role. A short part but one people would remember.

[Dr.Negative]

has people heard hes playing Alberto Falcone in the movie? interesting choice but still think he would of been better as the riddler

[Mister H.]

^ That could be interesting, but too dark for a popcorn flick.

[the amazing fro]

Imagine if he was playing this guy:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o235/RonnyGreen/hatbodiespng.jpg

We need a new freak villain. Bane doesn't fit that bill, neither does Catwoman. If Bane becomes a 'protector' of Gotham I like the idea of him offing a freak like the Hatter, who could be portrayed as a Dahmer-esque serial killer.

Something tells me Levitt could nail that role. A short part but one people would remember.

Mad hatter would certainly be interesting. I think the whole pedophile overtones might be slightly TOO risque even for Nolan but he could still work as a serial killer.

[ronny]

Yeah, I always hated the pedophile angle. It's low-brow and creepy in an uncomfortable, unpleasant way.
I see his motivations being similar to those of Jerry Brudos, who attacked women for their shoes. Hatter's sexual deviancy is multi layered, but he has an attraction towards hats and wants to recreate the fictional character of Alice. The man's a bloody turnip, a social retard and a real sick puppy.
But not a kiddie fiddler.

[Cunning Stunts]

Imagine if he was playing this guy:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o235/RonnyGreen/hatbodiespng.jpg

We need a new freak villain. Bane doesn't fit that bill, neither does Catwoman. If Bane becomes a 'protector' of Gotham I like the idea of him offing a freak like the Hatter, who could be portrayed as a Dahmer-esque serial killer.

Something tells me Levitt could nail that role. A short part but one people would remember.

What is with peoples' obsession with Mad Hatter? He's such a lame villain, and a complete rip from the Alice & Wonderland character (obviously) added just for filler purposes. It's not even that he's "too unrealistic" for Nolan's movies... He's just ****ing stupid. Obviously, I'd give Nolan the benefit of the doubt if he said he'd include Hatter, but I can't honestly say I'd be 100% happy about it.

[ronny]

What is with peoples' obsession with Mad Hatter? He's such a lame villain, and a complete rip from the Alice & Wonderland character (obviously) added just for filler purposes. It's not even that he's "too unrealistic" for Nolan's movies... He's just ****ing stupid. Obviously, I'd give Nolan the benefit of the doubt if he said he'd include Hatter, but I can't honestly say I'd be 100% happy about it.

What did I do wrong? I didn't mean to make you angry.
But no, I don't believe Hatter would be 'filler'. Bane is not a freak and neither is Catwoman. So, what effect did Joker have? It has to be shown that he has 'inspired' some of the crazies to crawl out of the woodwork. I think Hatter could show this quite well.

[Dr.Negative]

I agree Mad Hatter is lame, even if you altered his character and tried to build on it, it wold still be a lame character.

But then ive often said there are certain characters that do work, and others that dont.

See - i'm a fan of Mr.Freeze purely because i feel the character has potential if we took away the rediculous.

Think about, Let's give Mr.Freeze an alternative outlook to his character... - Imagine Begins and Dark Knight events have happened and we now move on to Rises
Dr.Victor Fries (played by Tobin Bell) was a doctor at Gotham General - after the Joker's demolishment of the building, Lets say oh Mrs.Fries (who was a nurse at the hospital) died which causes Dr.Fries to seek revenge - knowing that this had happened because of The Batman - and now Batman is made out as a villian in gotham with the Gothams finest hunting him down. Maybe we have this Crazed Doctor thinking he can do one better and bring The Batman Down. - (We could play into the whole "Mr.Freeze" reasoning by i dont know maybe Dr.Fries is a cryogensis, or works with liquid nitrogen or on his rampage hides the bodies of his victims in a large freezer unit - that part could be more thought out) but overal i think MR.Freeze could work for Batman Rises.

Where as lets say a character like Clayface - there is just no way to explain him.

[Johnny Drama]

What is with peoples' obsession with Mad Hatter? He's such a lame villain, and a complete rip from the Alice & Wonderland character (obviously) added just for filler purposes. It's not even that he's "too unrealistic" for Nolan's movies... He's just ****ing stupid. Obviously, I'd give Nolan the benefit of the doubt if he said he'd include Hatter, but I can't honestly say I'd be 100% happy about it.


Shut up you! He is as relevant as The Clock King, The Headhunter, Anarchy, Catman, Lockdown, Metalhead, Shiva, King Cobra, Egghead, King Tut or Banemite!

[ronny]

I agree Mad Hatter is lame, even if you altered his character and tried to build on it, it wold still be a lame character.

So if you improved his character, made him a bit deeper, a bit more serious. He'd still be 'lame' in your eyes?
So, just so I understand this. A schizophrenic serial killer is lame but a man with a freeze-ray is perfectly fine?

Your opinions are groundless.

[Johnny Drama]

What did I do wrong? I didn't mean to make you angry.
But no, I don't believe Hatter would be 'filler'. Bane is not a freak and neither is Catwoman. So, what effect did Joker have? It has to be shown that he has 'inspired' some of the crazies to crawl out of the woodwork. I think Hatter could show this quite well.

What Bane does in the bedroom is hardly your concern.

[Cunning Stunts]

What did I do wrong? I didn't mean to make you angry.
But no, I don't believe Hatter would be 'filler'. Bane is not a freak and neither is Catwoman. So, what effect did Joker have? It has to be shown that he has 'inspired' some of the crazies to crawl out of the woodwork. I think Hatter could show this quite well.

Lol I'm not angry, I just used a few swear words.

That said, we don't know what kind of incarnations of Catwoman or Bane we're getting yet. And if you compare a woman in spandex and a man in a luchador mask to La Cosa Nostra-type mobsters and don't consider them freaks... I really don't know how to present this next film's villains to you.

[ronny]

Mate, they're both perfectly sane. Their actions are based on very understandable motives. Be it personal gain, respect or even excitement. In Catwoman's case, she has even acted to protect her community from time to time.
They really aren't freaks, not in any way.

Neither of them would ever be put in Arkham Asylum, neither of them have problems with their sanity. Therefore they are not in the same class as Joker, Two-Face or indeed the Mad Hatter.

[Dr.Negative]

So if you improved his character, made him a bit deeper, a bit more serious. He'd still be 'lame' in your eyes?
So, just so I understand this. A schizophrenic serial killer is lame but a man with a freeze-ray is perfectly fine?

Your opinions are groundless.

If you read my post you would of seen no freeze-ray LOL - and quiet frankey i find your opinions groundless - firstly i said an alternative version of Mr.Freeze

I big blue faced cold man in a glass helmet with a freeze-ray gun would just not work.

However a Doctor who suffered a loss due to the events of the Dark Knight movie leads him to hunt down the Batman whom is already a wanted criminal - his loss has made him cold and heartless (and nicknamed Mr.Freeze) That would make sense.

The thing with Mad Hatter is if you break it down enough - he's too similar to The Joker - think about it (A psychopath who dresses eccentrically gregorius and becomes a serial killer) - that just basically describes The Joker and Mad Hatter. So why is the Joker cool and Mad Hatter Lame...

Its mostly popularity and being more diverse with characters.

See The Joker is well known more than Mad Hatter as a Batman character - he is the original type of character like this... when you start introducing characters with a similar story basically all your doing is saying...

We know how much you liked the Joker, so heres a character that is 99% almost the same except he likes alice in wonderland - Thats what makes him Lame, just that he is nothing more than a clone of The Joker (not literally) playing out the same kind of stories.

Now in the comics you can get away with this but in the movies you need to keep people enterained and covering old ground would just seem boring...

Think of this, what if someone was to make 3 batman movies with Just Batman fighting the Joker in everyone one... no other villian... at what point would you get bored?

Look at X-Men - its a nice enough trilogy but by x3 who really wanted to see Magneto again as the prime villian.

[Caped Crusader]

I wonder what's taking so long to make this official

[Dr.Negative]

Possibly because there unsure about some of the casting as in what characters they will play. It may change

[the amazing fro]

I wonder what's taking so long to make this official

Yeah I know it seems rather odd. Hopefully we won't have to wait as long for an announcement as we did Hardy (3 bloody months).

Maybe we will get something Valentines Day :awesome::hrt: :oldrazz:

[ronny]

If you read my post you would of seen no freeze-ray LOL - and quiet frankey i find your opinions groundless - firstly i said an alternative version of Mr.Freeze

I big blue faced cold man in a glass helmet with a freeze-ray gun would just not work.

However a Doctor who suffered a loss due to the events of the Dark Knight movie leads him to hunt down the Batman whom is already a wanted criminal - his loss has made him cold and heartless (and nicknamed Mr.Freeze) That would make sense.

The thing with Mad Hatter is if you break it down enough - he's too similar to The Joker - think about it (A psychopath who dresses eccentrically gregorius and becomes a serial killer) - that just basically describes The Joker and Mad Hatter. So why is the Joker cool and Mad Hatter Lame...

Its mostly popularity and being more diverse with characters.

See The Joker is well known more than Mad Hatter as a Batman character - he is the original type of character like this... when you start introducing characters with a similar story basically all your doing is saying...

We know how much you liked the Joker, so heres a character that is 99% almost the same except he likes alice in wonderland - Thats what makes him Lame, just that he is nothing more than a clone of The Joker (not literally) playing out the same kind of stories.

Now in the comics you can get away with this but in the movies you need to keep people enterained and covering old ground would just seem boring...

Think of this, what if someone was to make 3 batman movies with Just Batman fighting the Joker in everyone one... no other villian... at what point would you get bored?

Look at X-Men - its a nice enough trilogy but by x3 who really wanted to see Magneto again as the prime villian.

No, you really don't understand. Joker and Mad Hatter are nothing alike. Not really. Perhaps artists give him similar costume elements from time to time, but The Mad Hatter is completely different to The Joker.

Allow me, with all due respect, to outline a few differences for you :)

1. The Joker can speak eloquently. The Mad Hatter babbles on incessantly and has a shaky grip of reality.

2. Joker goes to great lengths to hurt Batman and drive him insane. Hatter is driven by his perverted fantasies, Batman is almost an afterthought.

3. Joker is feared by the criminal world. Mad Hatter got beat by Ragdoll.

4. Joker kills people for fun. Hatter kills people to 'cure' his lonlieness.

5. The Joker is indifferent to the suffering he causes. Hatter is often remorseful but always reverts to accusing others of making him kill people.

6. Joker is THE villain of the DC Universe. Mad Hatter is a nobody.

You understand that I am not suggesting Hatter as the main villain? I am only suggesting that he appear in a small role to show the freak element of the criminal world.
He cannot carry a film by himself. There have only been two GREAT Hatter stories. The rest are either utter tripe or merely acceptable.

But I believe he has potential and I think the more murderous version of the character as seen in Gotham Central and Jokers Asylum could provide an actor like Levitt with a real opportunity to leave his mark on this film.

Thanks, I really enjoy this debate :)

[Excelsior.]

Bane and Catwoman aren't freaks? Huh?

[ronny]

Bane and Catwoman aren't freaks? Huh?

Of course they're not. Neither of them are insane or mentally unstable.

[Knight Rise]

Of course they're not. Neither of them are insane or mentally unstable.

Yet they both end up in Arkham :dry:

[the amazing fro]

Yet they both end up in Arkham :dry:

I don't recall either of them ever being locked up in Arkham so.....

[Knight Rise]

I don't recall either of them ever being locked up in Arkham so.....

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[the amazing fro]

http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/batman-arkham-asylum-bane-580x328.jpg

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/B/Batman%20Arkham%20Asylum/Everything%20Else/Batman%20AA%20Hidden%20Characters/New%20Screens/closecat1--article_image.jpg

1. Bane was not locked up because he was insane but for that doctors experimentation's.

2. That catwoman thing is merely an easter egg so is irrelevant. Even so it doesn't mean shes actually locked up in the asylum.

3. That is not comic continuity.

[Secret Fawful]

Penguin's been in Arkham, yet he's gone on to become...what..Mayor of Gotham before? You know, come to think of it, that makes NO sense. However, Penguin, Catwoman, and Bane might not be literally insane, but they definitely exhibit what the psychological and psychiatric worlds would call ill mental health. Pretty much anyone who dresses up in a costume and commits crimes or takes over a city or beats people to a pulp would. Even Batman and Robin would. Robin locked up in Arkham; there would be an interesting story, heh heh. Plus, Arkham is both a maximum security prison and an asylum, correct? That's how it always came across to me.

[the amazing fro]

Plus, Arkham is both a maximum security prison and an asylum, correct? Or am I mistaken on that?

I think its a maximum security asylum :oldrazz:

[Knight Rise]

1. Bane was not locked up because he was insane but for that doctors experimentation's.

2. That catwoman thing is merely an easter egg so is irrelevant. Even so it doesn't mean shes actually locked up in the asylum.

3. That is not comic continuity.

1. Bane was kept in a cell with Joker, Freeze, Harley, etc.

2. So they just took her stuff? :whatever:

3. Its based off the comics, believe it or not. Thats what makes it such an awesome game

[the amazing fro]

1. Bane was kept in a cell with Joker, Freeze, Harley, etc.

2. So they just took her stuff? :whatever:

3. Its based off the comics, believe it or not. Thats what makes it such an awesome game

1. Yet the point is he is not being held there for being insane. The others are.

2. Must have done.

3. You must have misunderstood. It is not part of the comic book universe. It is an adaption. Like the movies. Therefore it has little bearing on the actual characters themselves that feature in the comics (which is what we are discussing)

[The Joker]

Catwoman has never been in Arkham. Bane was sent to Blackgate. Even in BTAS, he was held in a regular prison.

[Knight Rise]

1. Yet the point is he is not being held there for being insane. The others are.

2. Must have done.

3. You must have misunderstood. It is not part of the comic book universe. It is an adaption. Like the movies. Therefore it has little bearing on the actual characters themselves that feature in the comics (which is what we are discussing)

LITTLE BEARING?! Holy crap dude, there were so many connections with Joker and Oracle, Bane breaking Batman's back, etc. There was TONS of things that were linked to the comics, whether its the character itself or references

[Van Petrol]

http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/batman-arkham-asylum-bane-580x328.jpg

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/B/Batman%20Arkham%20Asylum/Everything%20Else/Batman%20AA%20Hidden%20Characters/New%20Screens/closecat1--article_image.jpg

Bane's teddy showed up as an easter egg in there too.

[the amazing fro]

LITTLE BEARING?! Holy crap dude, there were so many connections with Joker and Oracle, Bane breaking Batman's back, etc. There was TONS of things that were linked to the comics, whether its the character itself or references

I shall state again. It is an adaption. It is adapted from the comics but it is not part of the comics. IT IS NOT PART OF THE CONTINUITY. Just like BTAS is not part of the continuity.

[batman11]

The Joker injected himself with Titan and became a massive, hulking monster who fought Batman after a long night at Arkham. It happened in the game, which is based on the comics, so it must have also happened in the comics.

:o

[The Joker]

Bane's teddy showed up as an easter egg in there too.

Lots of things did that Arkham would never usually have. Who would hang this up in an office in Arkham?


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[Knight Rise]

I shall state again. It is an adaption. It is adapted from the comics but it is not part of the comics. IT IS NOT PART OF THE CONTINUITY. Just like BTAS is not part of the continuity.

you dont get what im saying. im defending it as a big bearing towards the characters because they are faithful to the comics. Im talking about how you stated it like it has no meaning, but it does

[Knight Rise]

28 different cameos

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/the-28-hidden-characters-in-batman-arkham-asylum/a-20090902115717671032

[the amazing fro]

you dont get what im saying. im defending it as a big bearing towards the characters because they are faithful to the comics. Im talking about how you stated it like it has no meaning, but it does

but we were talking about how bane has never been in arkham. You used a still from AA as evidence that he had been. This is irrelevant because he has never been in arkham in the original source material which was what was being discussed.

[KRIM]

I don't think you are understanding that the reason for their appearances in the game is purely to incorporate as many of the rogues gallery as they can. Even if it doesn't strictly adhere to the comics.

Half of the villains in the game are simply not qualified to be in Arkham. In any shape or form. That is where the creators took liberty.

[def28]

Yeah I dont think it really counts using the video game as official character continuity and history. Its an amazing game nonetheless.

In the comics I dont remember Catwoman or Bane ever being locked up in Arkham. I havnt read lot of Bane stories though.

[Bat]

Take this with a grain of salt??
http://perezhilton.com/2011-02-13-joseph-gordon-levitt-to-play-new-villain-in-the-dark-knight-rises

[ronny]

Take this with a grain of salt??
http://perezhilton.com/2011-02-13-joseph-gordon-levitt-to-play-new-villain-in-the-dark-knight-rises

Please, no more mobsters. Can we have at least one insane villain?
Turning Alberto into a generic Mafia boss would be absurd. He's Holiday, he's a serial killer and they lock him up in Arkham.

Plus, I'm sick of mobsters in this series. They've been covered, maybe we can just forget them now?

[Dr.Negative]

No, you really don't understand. Joker and Mad Hatter are nothing alike. Not really. Perhaps artists give him similar costume elements from time to time, but The Mad Hatter is completely different to The Joker.

Allow me, with all due respect, to outline a few differences for you :)

1. The Joker can speak eloquently. The Mad Hatter babbles on incessantly and has a shaky grip of reality.

2. Joker goes to great lengths to hurt Batman and drive him insane. Hatter is driven by his perverted fantasies, Batman is almost an afterthought.

3. Joker is feared by the criminal world. Mad Hatter got beat by Ragdoll.

4. Joker kills people for fun. Hatter kills people to 'cure' his lonlieness.

5. The Joker is indifferent to the suffering he causes. Hatter is often remorseful but always reverts to accusing others of making him kill people.

6. Joker is THE villain of the DC Universe. Mad Hatter is a nobody.

You understand that I am not suggesting Hatter as the main villain? I am only suggesting that he appear in a small role to show the freak element of the criminal world.
He cannot carry a film by himself. There have only been two GREAT Hatter stories. The rest are either utter tripe or merely acceptable.

But I believe he has potential and I think the more murderous version of the character as seen in Gotham Central and Jokers Asylum could provide an actor like Levitt with a real opportunity to leave his mark on this film.

Thanks, I really enjoy this debate :)

I see you a fan of the character however I just don't see levitate playing the mad hatter

[the amazing fro]

Take this with a grain of salt??
http://perezhilton.com/2011-02-13-joseph-gordon-levitt-to-play-new-villain-in-the-dark-knight-rises

Perez Hilton = :cmad::dry::facepalm::doh::o:whatever::waa::argh:: barf::mad::wall: and any other negative smiley I have forgotten.

[The Englishman]

Perez Hilton = :cmad::dry::facepalm::doh::o:whatever::waa::argh:: barf::mad::wall: and any other negative smiley I have forgotten.
Whos that ****er???

[B.A. Baracus]

I can honestly see him as Falcone, though i'll believe it when i get a more realistic source.

[BigEggo]

Please, no more mobsters. Can we have at least one insane villain?
Turning Alberto into a generic Mafia boss would be absurd. He's Holiday, he's a serial killer and they lock him up in Arkham.

Plus, I'm sick of mobsters in this series. They've been covered, maybe we can just forget them now?

think you might be out of luck mate.though im kind of on your side too.azraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaael!

[Doctor Jones]

Deadline is pretty reliable. I don't know how many press releases there have been in the past with casting in films like these, but they are very expensive, and depending on the role JGL has, don't expect one. Hathaway and Hardy were given a press release because it's major news for the next Batman film and news people have been waiting for. Evans didn't even get a press release on Cap when he was official until a while afterwards.

[Llama_Shepherd]

No official source. No discernable truth. Wait for Nolan confirmation.

[Sub-Zero]

where is this story going? is he really alberto falcone? it reminds me of topher grace as venom. many people wanted him to takeover as spidey, but they cast him as venom and ruled him out. now everyone wanted jgl to be nightwing, but if he's alberto there go his chances to be nightwing..., however, i can see him as alberto, but why bring in more mobsters?

[*Whiplash*]

To be honest I don't think there will ever be a Nightwing or Robin in 'Nolanverse'.

[Sub-Zero]

the nolanverse is over after this movie, but jgl's chances of being nightwing are slim to none since he's already in a batman movie as someone else, probably. the only person to make the transition from schu to nolan is senator pat leahy from vermont. he was in batman and robin and in tdk.

[TheVelvetOnion]

At this rate we will have the cast of Inception in The Dark Knight Rises
Lets see Cillian Murphy is already the Scarecrow, Ken Wantabe was the dummy raz al ghul. Michael Cain is Alfred - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Alberto Falcone - Marion Cottillard - as Talia Al Ghul - Tom Hardy - as Bane

So lets see

Ellen Page - is going to play a young barbra gordon
Leonardo DiCaprio - is going to play Azriel
Dileep Rao - is going to play Dr.Hugo Strange
The Ghost Of Pete Postlethwaite - is going to play Mr Freeze

[batman11]

The Ghost Of Pete Postlethwaite - is going to play Mr Freeze

That's cold.

[TheBatman072]

That's cold.

That is a great pun.

[TheVelvetOnion]

i dont think it was ment to be a pun LOL ha ha but yeah Great pun...!

[Miranda Fox]

At this rate we will have the cast of Inception in The Dark Knight Rises
Lets see Cillian Murphy is already the Scarecrow, Ken Wantabe was the dummy raz al ghul. Michael Cain is Alfred - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Alberto Falcone - Marion Cottillard - as Talia Al Ghul - Tom Hardy - as Bane

So lets see

Ellen Page - is going to play a young barbra gordon
Leonardo DiCaprio - is going to play Azriel
Dileep Rao - is going to play Dr.Hugo Strange
The Ghost Of Pete Postlethwaite - is going to play Mr Freeze

:dry:

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[batman11]

That is a great pun.

I try. :word:

i dont think it was ment to be a pun LOL ha ha but yeah Great pun...!

It was indeed intentional.

[TheVelvetOnion]

bravo then

[TheVelvetOnion]

but seriously if he was still alive - that would be our Mr.Freeze

[FCEEVIPER]

I really hope he's playing Alberto.

[TheVelvetOnion]

i was hoping for Riddler, but Alberto will do - as long as hes in the movie with an interesting role.

[Miranda Fox]

I really hope he's playing Alberto.

I do too - I seem to be one of the few who really liked that character, in spite of not-great execution (or so I recall, it's been awhile since I read TLH).

Still, I'd like to see the young cop who looks up to Gordon too, so. Next month or so should be interesting. :)

[Van Petrol]

If it all goes down, just make sure you remember I called him playing Alberto Falcone first. :woot:

[Miranda Fox]

If it all goes down, just make sure you remember I called him playing Alberto Falcone first. :woot:

Noted. I'll bake you a cake if you are right. :up:

[Blue_Scholar]

where is this story going? is he really alberto falcone? it reminds me of topher grace as venom. many people wanted him to takeover as spidey, but they cast him as venom and ruled him out. now everyone wanted jgl to be nightwing, but if he's alberto there go his chances to be nightwing..., however, i can see him as alberto, but why bring in more mobsters?

Well the mob is the concrete crime element in the over all story arch of the trilogy. The freak criminals were more or less nurtured if not wholly unleashed by Batman's stunning arrival. But remember the mob is what got Gotham city into trouble in the first place (basically). The same is true for Bruce Wayne himself to a certain extent.

Alberto as heir to the mobster empire would put a face on the mobster element instead of them being just a bunch of guys with unknown and potentially uninteresting faces. Also introducing Falcone's son coincides with Batman Begins as a sort of "book-ends" device, story arch wise.

The mob is what connects Batman to Gotham city. The mob is consequential to both Batman and Gotham city. Personally and exponentially.

[Van Petrol]

Noted. I'll bake you a cake if you are right. :up:

I'll look forward to it. Just make sure it's chocolate though, and ooooohh...make sure it has the Bat-Symbol on it made out of icing. :oldrazz:


If I'm wrong, I'll bake my own. That should be a laugh!.. :woot:

[Miranda Fox]

Well the mob is the concrete crime element in the over all story arch of the trilogy. The freak criminals were more or less nurtured if not wholly unleashed by Batman's stunning arrival. But remember the mob is what got Gotham city into trouble in the first place (basically). The same is true for Bruce Wayne himself to a certain extent.

Alberto as heir to the mobster empire would put a face on the mobster element instead of them being just a bunch of guys with unknown and potentially uninteresting faces. Also introducing Falcone's son coincides with Batman Begins as a sort of "book-ends" device, story arch wise.

The mob is what connects Batman to Gotham city. The mob is consequential to both Batman and Gotham city. Personally and exponentially.

Exactly. What is more, Alberto is what I would think of as a 'bridge' element - he, ultimately, is revealed to be a freak, one of the freaks his father and the rest of his family railed against all through TLH. He chooses to be one to spite his father. I don't expect Nolan will do the Holiday Killer storyline, but note that none of the mob people we have seen thus far have actually been crazy. In fact, the whole point of the bank manager's rant at the Joker right at the beginning of TDK is to highlight the difference between the old-school criminals and the new breed of crazies.

Alberto will ultimately signal the end of the old-school mob completely by embracing the new breed and becoming a freak himself. Perhaps whatever remains of his family turn to him as a last resort after the events of TDK and he takes over only to destroy whatever remains. You know the more I think about this, the more I think this needs to happen to complete the trilogy. There are other ways to do without the character of Alberto but damn, I can't deny I'll be a little disappointed if that isn't who JGL is playing.

[Bat]

I can honestly see him as Falcone, though i'll believe it when i get a more realistic source.

Can't say that I blame you. Regardless of the source that broke the news, it seems like it's legit based on the character, but I've been wrong before. I too will wait until an official announcement breaks.

[Miranda Fox]

I'll look forward to it. Just make sure it's chocolate though, and ooooohh...make sure it has the Bat-Symbol on it made out of icing. :oldrazz:


If I'm wrong, I'll bake my own. That should be a laugh!.. :woot:

Ooh, icing-signal. I like a challange. :cwink:

[TheBatman072]

Exactly. What is more, Alberto is what I would think of as a 'bridge' element - he, ultimately, is revealed to be a freak, one of the freaks his father and the rest of his family railed against all through TLH. He chooses to be one to spite his father. I don't expect Nolan will do the Holiday Killer storyline, but note that none of the mob people we have seen thus far have actually been crazy. In fact, the whole point of the bank manager's rant at the Joker right at the beginning of TDK is to highlight the difference between the old-school criminals and the new breed of crazies.

Alberto will ultimately signal the end of the old-school mob completely by embracing the new breed and becoming a freak himself. Perhaps whatever remains of his family turn to him as a last resort after the events of TDK and he takes over only to destroy whatever remains. You know the more I think about this, the more I think this needs to happen to complete the trilogy. There are other ways to do without the character of Alberto but damn, I can't deny I'll be a little disappointed if that isn't who JGL is playing.

You know who represents the downfall of the old guard mob and the rise of the freak rule in Gotham better than Alberto Falcone who won't be the Holiday Killer?

Black Mask.

[Miranda Fox]

You know who represents the downfall of the old guard mob and the rise of the freak rule in Gotham better than Alberto Falcone who won't be the Holiday Killer?

Black Mask.

Ah, touche. He does the job just as well IMO.

[Van Petrol]

Black Mask is actually another good call. Although I think it may take a bit more (in terms of story and screentime) to establish his character, than it would Alberto.

[Van Petrol]

Ooh, icing-signal. I like a challange. :cwink:

:D :up:

[TheBatman072]

Black Mask is actually another good call. Although I think it may take a bit more (in terms of story and screentime) to establish his character, than it would Alberto.

I really don't think so.

It's a simple case of Roman Sionis setting up shop as a businessman and rival of Bruce Wayne.

And Black Mask coming in to get his piece of the broken and dying mob after Batman, Joker, and Dent left it in shambles.

Much easier to explain(you could even do it via the Gotham Times viral marketing newspapers) than shoehorning Alberto Falcone into the third movie in a franchise where he would have been better suited in the first.

[Van Petrol]

I really don't think so.

It's a simple case of Roman Sionis setting up shop as a businessman and rival of Bruce Wayne.

And Black Mask coming in to get his piece of the broken and dying mob after Batman, Joker, and Dent left it in shambles.

Much easier to explain(you could even do it via the Gotham Times viral marketing newspapers) than shoehorning Alberto Falcone into the third movie in a franchise where he would have been better suited in the first.

Wouldn't you think some of his back-story and ties to Bruce in particular would be established? Unless of course Nolan is giving it a fresh approach, and he is just the 'new guy' in town, so to speak.

As regards to the viral marketing thing. I'd presume only the hardcore fans and viral followers would really take any notice of any info dished out there. The general audience? Probably not as much.

[TheBatman072]

Wouldn't you think some of his back-story and ties to Bruce in particular would be established? Unless of course Nolan is giving it a fresh approach, and he is just the 'new guy' in town, so to speak.

Yeah he'd probably just be the new playboy in town. But the difference between him and Bruce would be he really IS what Bruce Wayne pretends to be.

And a good way to further differentiate Bruce and Roman would be for Bruce to enter his philanthropist stage. Rebuilding hospitals and things Batman and Joker destroyed, opening the Thomas and Martha Wayne Foundation. Giving more money to the police force under new management through newly appointed Police Commissioner Gordon.

Meanwhile Roman is publicly drinking and driving and laughing about it, appearing on Gotham's tabloids shows and newspapers, getting busted with drugs and hookers and buying his way out of it through the lower level cops. That kinda thing.

As regards to the viral marketing thing. I'd presume only the hardcore fans and viral followers would really take any notice of any info dished out there. The general audience? Probably not as much.

Exactly. But look at it this way.

Nobody(the general public) batted an eye when Harvey Dent showed up in TDK, even though he was introduced through the virals.

[FCEEVIPER]

I do too - I seem to be one of the few who really liked that character, in spite of not-great execution (or so I recall, it's been awhile since I read TLH).
It's such a great book. :up:
Still, I'd like to see the young cop who looks up to Gordon too, so.

That sound great/interesting as well.
Next month or so should be interesting. :)
I can't wait!

[Van Petrol]

Yeah he'd probably just be the new playboy in town. But the difference between him and Bruce would be he really IS what Bruce Wayne pretends to be.

And a good way to further differentiate Bruce and Roman would be for Bruce to enter his philanthropist stage. Rebuilding hospitals and things Batman and Joker destroyed, opening the Thomas and Martha Wayne Foundation. Giving more money to the police force under new management through newly appointed Police Commissioner Gordon.

Meanwhile Roman is publicly drinking and driving and laughing about it, appearing on Gotham's tabloids shows and newspapers, getting busted with drugs and hookers and buying his way out of it through the lower level cops. That kinda thing.



Exactly. But look at it this way.

Nobody(the general public) batted an eye when Harvey Dent showed up in TDK, even though he was introduced through the virals.

I agree with those ideas, and think it would be a good approach. The best way of introducing these characters I think is by doing it in a fresh manner, rather than one that ties back to Bruce's past pre-BB. The little extras and easter eggs that really only the true hardcore fans would appreciate could be incorporated to a certain degree via the virals.

[Nave 'Torment']

And don't forget that BB and TDK doesn't have too many easter eggs, just good use of characters.

I wouldn't mind Black Mask, but I still hope we see JG-L as Alberto.

[Two-Face]

Why all sudden Alberto Falcone getting some love?

[Changeling]

I think I might rather see Alberto than Black Mask, I'd feel like the movie was a bit crowded if we have Black Mask AND Cotillard joining.

[*Whiplash*]

Falcone makes much more sense to me rather than Black Mask.

[Miranda Fox]

Someone suggested that perhaps TDKR has a theme of family legacy. Of course both Alberto and Roman Sionis fit that theme so it doesn't really narrow it down any. ;)

[FlawlessVictory]

^SHH frontpage is suggesting that.

[Miranda Fox]

Confession: I don't read the front page. :funny:

[Caped Crusader]

We should start a huge thing about JGL playing Egghead and wait to see what sites start reporting it :woot:

[Boom]

Confession: I don't read the front page. :funny:
http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/batman-is-disgusted-horrified-shocked-12732203359.jpg

[hatebox]

Wow, where has that image been all my life?

[Miranda Fox]

http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/batman-is-disgusted-horrified-shocked-12732203359.jpg

:funny:

[BigEggo]

cant see black mask being in this,honestly.alberto could be backgroundish,the black mask couldnt.with cotillard rumoured,yet another important character with a backstory and a dual identity surely couldnt fit in.

[Dark Knight]

Confession: I don't read the front page. :funny:


I tend not to either! :word:

[TheBatman072]

Falcone makes much more sense to me rather than Black Mask.

How so?

[Happy Jack]

And don't forget that BB and TDK doesn't have too many easter eggs, just good use of characters.

I wouldn't mind Black Mask, but I still hope we see JG-L as Alberto.
Either way, the more I think about it the more I'm confident that JGL will play a gangster-type role similar to Falcone or Maroni. And considering both of those guys are dead it would make sense for Falcone's son to take the reigns of whatever is left of Gotham's organized crime.

[*Whiplash*]

How so?

Familiarity with the name, but revenge mainly.

Batman tends to clear up the streets, but his actions have a consequence.

Falcone returns to reclaim the city, there's also the possibility of the brother/sister story with Selina.

[HighFivingMF]

Either way, the more I think about it the more I'm confident that JGL will play a gangster-type role similar to Falcone or Maroni. And considering both of those guys are dead it would make sense for Falcone's son to take the reigns of whatever is left of Gotham's organized crime.
Falcone's in Arkham. But that's as good as dead.

[TheBatman072]

Familiarity with the name

That means nothing. Considering that Begins was nowhere near as big a movie as TDK.

Batman tends to clear up the streets, but his actions have a consequence.

Yes, escalation. Escalation isn't going back to an old style, non-freak mob war with the spawn of the original kingpin

Escalation would be the mob further merging with the freaks, in the form of Black Mask.

Falcone returns to reclaim the city, there's also the possibility of the brother/sister story with Selina.

Ah, so according to a few people here, we've got the Falcone family and possibly the extended family(since Selina would be illegitimate), and then you've got Bane as maybe the new leader/member of the LoS with Talia in tow.

Why don't we just rename this movie Batman Begins 2 and call it a day?

There are far more important threads to revisit in this movie from TDK than to revisit character from the first movie in the form of their spawn that may or may not have existed at all in this universe.

[*Whiplash*]

There are far more important threads to revisit in this movie from TDK than to revisit character from the first movie in the form of their spawn that may or may not have existed at all in this universe.

Fair enough.

All I was saying was that I like the idea of Falcone's son returning better.

If people complain about it going back to the first movie then that's their problem, this is a trilogy, not a stand alone movie.

[TheBatman072]

Fair enough.

All I was saying was that I like the idea of Falcone's son returning better.

If people complain about it going back to the first movie then that's their problem, this is a trilogy, not a stand alone movie.

One, it makes no sense to revisit the first movie in too many ways, if at all, since there was a movie after that that still has ends to tie up.

Two, Nolan has said that his movies could be considered stand alone films, and really, if you look at them, they are. They just carry some threads from one to the other.

Which again doesn't make sense for the children of characters from the first movie to be carried over to the THIRD movie.

Three, escalation. It's not escalation if you go BACK to what it was before.

[Indy1Jones]

I would love falcone's son Alberto in the movie. They need mob bosses, that's apart of Batman. He could hire Bane To Take on or out
the Batman.

[PowersOfMind]

One, it makes no sense to revisit the first movie in too many ways, if at all, since there was a movie after that that still has ends to tie up.

Three, escalation. It's not escalation if you go BACK to what it was before.


I disagree. A common thread in all three movies is the Gotham Underworld. The Falcones had control of it in BB, then the other crimes bosses turned to the Joker to pull control of the city back into their hands in TDK. Now since Batman is a fugitive that gives them(the mob bosses) a bit of power again. But you need someone who can take that power in one direction and make it better, stronger and more threatening. And if it's Alberto Falcone then it makes perfect sense, more so if he's as sadistic as the Joker.

[TheBatman072]

I disagree. A common thread in all three movies is the Gotham Underworld. The Falcones had control of it in BB, then the other crimes bosses turned to the Joker to pull control of the city back into their hands in TDK. Now since Batman is a fugitive that gives them(the mob bosses) a bit of power again. But you need someone who can take that power in one direction and make it better, stronger and more threatening. And if it's Alberto Falcone then it makes perfect sense, more so if he's as sadistic as the Joker.

Another common theme is escalation.

It can't be escalation if you go back to a normal looking guy named Falcone and you make him the new head of the dying mob.

Black Mask fits the mob bill AND the freak bill AND the escalation bill to a
tee.

[jazzmatik]

Another common theme is escalation.

It can't be escalation if you go back to a normal looking guy named Falcone and you make him the new head of the dying mob.

Black Mask fits the mob bill AND the freak bill AND the escalation bill to a
tee.

Escalation may not neccessarily be the overall arching theme in TDKR. It certainly was in the TDK, however, Black Mask would be cool to see on screen.

[PowersOfMind]

Another common theme is escalation.

It can't be escalation if you go back to a normal looking guy named Falcone and you make him the new head of the dying mob.

Black Mask fits the mob bill AND the freak bill AND the escalation bill to a
tee.

So basically he has to be a freak otherwise the psycho factor is completely implausible? I don't get why someone would have to wear a mask to bring a whole rain of **** down on GC. Especially when we already have Bane and Catwoman running around creating havoc. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the freak factor does count for something. I just don't know how there is a automatic and unmoving correlation with freak = escalation in violence. Normal looking people do horrific things everyday.

[jazzmatik]

So basically he has to be a freak otherwise the psycho factor is completely implausible? I don't get why someone would have to wear a mask to bring a whole rain of **** down on GC. Especially when we already have Bane and Catwoman running around creating havoc. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the freak factor does count for something. I just don't know how there is a automatic and unmoving correlation with freak = escalation in violence. Normal looking people do horrific things everyday.

Agreed. They could totally make Alberto Falcone a serial killer or something sinister too.

[jazzmatik]

So basically he has to be a freak otherwise the psycho factor is completely implausible? I don't get why someone would have to wear a mask to bring a whole rain of **** down on GC. Especially when we already have Bane and Catwoman running around creating havoc. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the freak factor does count for something. I just don't know how there is a automatic and unmoving correlation with freak = escalation in violence. Normal looking people do horrific things everyday.

Agreed. They could totally make Alberto Falcone a serial killer or something sinister too.

[jazzmatik]

So basically he has to be a freak otherwise the psycho factor is completely implausible? I don't get why someone would have to wear a mask to bring a whole rain of **** down on GC. Especially when we already have Bane and Catwoman running around creating havoc. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the freak factor does count for something. I just don't know how there is a automatic and unmoving correlation with freak = escalation in violence. Normal looking people do horrific things everyday.

Agreed. They could totally make Alberto Falcone a serial killer or something sinister.

[DarKJediKnight]

agreed, agreed, agreed.

And even though it is said to be stand alone, it doesn't mean that it isn't part or a chapter of a whole story. Unless you're Nolan himself, you're putting words in his mouth.

[Darkness Falls]

i like the idea someone on here mentioned about a falcone turf war

[jmc]

Fair enough.

All I was saying was that I like the idea of Falcone's son returning better.

If people complain about it going back to the first movie then that's their problem, this is a trilogy, not a stand alone movie.

Actually they are stand alone movies that also work as a trilogy. It's more episodic like Indiana Jones than one long saga like Star Wars.

[jazzmatik]

^They never should have made a 4th Indiana Jones. And now they are thinking of doing a 5th. The original trilogy was golden.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Yeah, except The Temple of Doom ****ing sucks. Hard.

[jazzmatik]

^It was for sure the worst of the trilogy.

[jmao]

are these threads full of 12 year old girls? why does levitt have to be in this film? wheres the proof that hes in it?

[HighFivingMF]

are these threads full of 12 year old girls? why does levitt have to be in this film? wheres the proof that hes in it?
Deadline reported he was in talks. And no, I don't think anybody in this thread that is both 12 and female.

[lgi]

Bane doesn't work alone. Maybe JGL can play Bane's partner? Like a Bird character. JGL can be the one that tells him about Gotham and whatnot.

[D.P.]

So basically he has to be a freak otherwise the psycho factor is completely implausible? I don't get why someone would have to wear a mask to bring a whole rain of **** down on GC. Especially when we already have Bane and Catwoman running around creating havoc. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously the freak factor does count for something. I just don't know how there is a automatic and unmoving correlation with freak = escalation in violence. Normal looking people do horrific things everyday.

This.

[Octoberist]

Yeah, except The Temple of Doom ****ing sucks. Hard.

STILL BETTER THAN PART 4. And I have soft spot for Temple of Doom.

BUT STILL, I think as fun as Indiana Jones is as a series, it's wildly uneven.

[Octoberist]

are these threads full of 12 year old girls? why does levitt have to be in this film? wheres the proof that hes in it?

I'm sorry, Little Girl...what was the question again?

[J.Howlett]

Did anyone read Drew McWeeney's editoral on Marion Collitard (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/marion-cotillard-considers-joining-dark-knight-rises-but-as-who)?

What's interesting about the piece is that he discusses what the theme of the film might be. But, even more interesting is that I don't think he's actually ever commented on the JGL rumor since it first popped up a couple weeks ago and yet, he gives a nugget about what role he might be playing.

Now, he could just be basing this off of all the rumors that's been around the net for the last couple of weeks or he actually might know something since, I don't remember him commenting on JGL at all.

[Mako]

Did anyone read Drew McWeeney's editoral on Marion Collitard (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/marion-cotillard-considers-joining-dark-knight-rises-but-as-who)?

What's interesting about the piece is that he discusses what the theme of the film might be. But, even more interesting is that I don't think he's actually ever commented on the JGL rumor since it first popped up a couple weeks ago and yet, he gives a nugget about what role he might be playing.

Now, he could just be basing this off of all the rumors that's been around the net for the last couple of weeks or he actually might know something since, I don't remember him commenting on JGL at all.

I think the link you posted was bad, heres the article http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/marion-cotillard-considers-joining-dark-knight-rises-but-as-who

[BigEggo]

makes sense for talia and alberto to be in it.they,like bruce,are the last remaining heirs to great/powerful family lines.

[jmc]

The thing about linking back to film one so heavily that I think some are overlooking is that it would be totally out of character for Nolan to do such a thing. He's very much a director who wants his stories to work on their own merit, why TDK worked so perfectly as a sequel is that it's really wasn't treated as a sequel, it wasn't a slave to Begins, if anything it was it's own beast entirely to the point were it almost felt like a completely different continuity. Looking at his entire filmography shows someone who's very much about telling individual stories and I expect film 3 to follow the same pattern, a stand alone movie that just happens to work as part of a trilogy. It would be extremely strange now for him to suddenly jump backward and reopen wounds from Begins, wounds that frankly don't need re-opening, especially when TDK has got the bigger thread left dangling. And of course there's is the fact that more people have seen TDK than Begins, so jumping back over a film to continue on with a story doesn't really make sense, something I'm sure Chris is more than aware.