The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread

[Compi716]

...Because honestly, there has to be one.

[Spider-Fan]

We know we have no Favs! That's about it right now.

[BizarroAids]

It's going to suck not getting updates from Favs on Twitter about IM3. :csad:

[RealIrOnMaN]

It's going to suck not getting updates from Favs on Twitter about IM3. :csad:
Depends on who we will get as the new director) Maybe he has a twitter account) I'm really hoping that Marvel will announce the new IM3 director either b4 or on SDCC'11.

[chiefchirpa]

The Mandarin could be one of the the best superhero movie villains if they play their cards right. Somekind of a savage but cunning Zen master who trade philosophical idioms against RDJ would be perfect. A Ra's Al Ghul that spans the movie length.

[A Necessary Evil]

Anyone find it funny that the IM series pulls an X-Men, like when it came to directors and composers? :o

[Iron_Stark]

The Mandarin could be one of the the best superhero movie villains if they play their cards right. Somekind of a savage but cunning Zen master who trade philosophical idioms against RDJ would be perfect. A Ra's Al Ghul that spans the movie length.


:up:

Hopefully the next director isn't afraid to tackle Mandarin and gets him right.

Mandarin, Madame Masque, Ghost and MM's Dreadnoughts or Fin Fang Foom as the villains.

Action, more action is needed in the third one, start the movie off by jumping into a warzone, not infront of some cheerleaders, Ghost infiltrating SE, have an actual dogfight in the sky with FFF or some Dreadnoughts, not him getting chased again, I'm freaking tired of him getting chased and fighting back, and end the fight with an epic fight with Mandarin.

Also cut back on the jokes and don't make Pepper complain about everything.

[Son of Coul]

Bout time there's a forum for this. Hope they bring back some of that warzone grit from the first and hilarity of Justin Hammer from the second and give us something special.

[kedrell]

Anyone find it funny that the IM series pulls an X-Men, like when it came to directors and composers? :o

Hmm, Batman did the same thing.

[Nave 'Torment']

I wish they didn't go with the third film. As much as I want another IM film with Downey Jr. I want it with Favs! Besides The Avengers is pretty much the third chapter any way. Continue the mythology with Whedon in the helm, taking on the entire Marvel Universe.

[Vartha]

Just a quick heads up guys.
MY Walmart JUST put out a Marvel Universe Marvel's Greatest Battles set with the Coipel Thor and Iron-Man from Thor #3.

NO I'm NOT rubbing it in, Iron-man's Armor's intact. hehehe

[Sebastos]

*subscribed*

[louiebling$]

Subscribed

[Compi716]

Well Shane Black is our new director! I loved Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, so awesome choice!

EXCLUSIVE: The ever secretive Marvel Studios is in final negotiations with Shane Black to direct Iron Man 3 set to be released on May 3, 2013. As you know , IM1 and IM2 director Jon Favreau begged off to helm Magic Kingdom at Disney so his relationship with the franchise ran its course. Shane is first and foremost a writer but it's not clear whether he'll be penning the IM3 script as well. "That's not figured out," our source says. Of course, everyone in and around Marvel is keeping mum. But Black has a long relationship with Robert Downey Jr since Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. Not only did Shane make his directing debut on the 2005 cult favorite he co-wrote, but it helped re-launch Downey Jr’s career. When news leaked out that Marvel was meeting with several directors including Shane, fanboys approved. So they should exult now that negotiations are wrapping up with Black's agency WME and manager David Greenblatt's GreenLit Creative. We recall the days way back when that unknown Black submitted a spec script over the transom to Greenblatt who was then a young ICM lit agent. Greenblatt in those days read scripts by wannabes and the two became an inseparable team that continues to this day. (For the uninitiated, Greenblatt was one of the founders of Endeavor, which is now WME.) Black was the screenwriter behind Lethal Weapon 1 and 2 and The Last Boy Scout, and, in the 1980s and 1990s one of the highest paid writers in the action genre. He then decided to go have a life and segue into directing as well. Shane is back and busy now. He's working on Doc Savage, Sony's action project based on the classic pulp hero, and Warner Bros Warner Bros recently hired him to direct a live action adaptation of the Japanese manga series Death Note and oversee a script that’s being written by Anthony Bagarozzi and Charles Mondry, his accomplices on Doc Savage. So let this be a lesson to all you agents who get so arrogant about out-of-the-blue submissions: read every wannabe's screenplay you can get your hands on.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/shane-black-to-direct-marvels-iron-man-3/

[Enlil]

remember the short movie: iron man vs bruce lee ? This is the sequel with black widow ... JUST AWESOME:
http://www.cinewebradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2218:black-widow-entre-dans-la-danse-avec-un-stop-motion-&catid=17:mon-film&Itemid=18

[kedrell]

That was great. He's also the same guy who did the Iron Baby vid.

[HighFivingMF]

Anyone hope the title is something besides Iron Man 3? I mean, it won't effect my enjoyment of the movie either way, but a new title would be nice. Something like Iron Man: The Armored Avenger or named after a story arc.

[R_Hythlodeus]

no. I hate it when they change the way they name their sequels.
like
lotr
lotr 2
lotr: the return of the king

[louiebling$]

Uhh its actually
TLOTR:The Fellowship of the Ring
TLOTR:The Two Towers and
TLOTR:Return of the King

:huh:

[bullets]

I think he's saying imagine what it would be like if Lord of the Rings went that route. I'd prefer just Iron Man 3

[Iron_Stark]

If Iron Man 2 had been something else like The Invincible Iron Man, then yeah change part 3 to Iron Man: The Armored Avenger. But now, no, it will come off like the Rambo movies.

First Blood
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Rambo III
Rambo

[kedrell]

Yeah, just make it IM3. After that, when they inevitably recast, we can get The Invincible Iron Man or something like that for a title.

[Sebastos]

Yeah, just make it IM3. After that, when they inevitably recast, we can get The Invincible Iron Man or something like that for a title.
This.

[WildcatNC]

I hope they focus on Stark and less on Avengers. Hopefully since the Avengers movie will be out by then they can just focus on IM rather than setting up another movie.

I didn't hate the heavy handed Avengers buildup that bad. I still loved the movie, but I would have rather it been more subdued with more focus on Tony, Pepper, Rhodey, etc.

[Sebastos]

Mandarin as the villain please.

[WildcatNC]

Mandarin as the villain please.



I agree. We need an epic final act with Mandarin. Nothing else would do IMO.

[Iron_Stark]

Mandarin is a must for the next one. And after seeing the new Thor trailer for the 110th time, seeing how they're adding big fantasical creatures in the MCU Fin Fang Foom should also be in the movie. Not the talking purple underwear wearing version but a creature under Mandari's control.

[HighFivingMF]

Mandarin is a must for the next one. And after seeing the new Thor trailer for the 110th time, seeing how they're adding big fantasical creatures in the MCU Fin Fang Foom should also be in the movie. Not the talking purple underwear wearing version but a creature under Mandari's control.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/SimpsonMmyers/temp1992.jpg

[Sebastos]

^^^ :up: :up:

[WildcatNC]

I'm not as sure about Fin Fang Foom. Each individual movie has its own feel to it. Not sure the big mythical beasts would work in the IM films, even if its in Thor.

Sure they will come together in Avengers, but each character still has its own paradigm as well.

I would love it for the record. Just not sure if it would work or not.

Which begs another question:

Which version of the 10 rings do we get? The magic or the advanced tech? Could they be Asgardian tech in the movieverse?

[Sebastos]

Asgardian tech woudl be a cool twist to it, but if I had to choose magic or advanced i'd choose magic.

[WildcatNC]

Asgardian tech woudl be a cool twist to it, but if I had to choose magic or advanced i'd choose magic.


Magic vs Technology was one of the cool themes of Iron Man vs Mandarin. I really like the idea.


I'm not really sure that Magic would work for the filmverse though. They have even went so far as to make the magic/science blend in Thor. They are shying away from flat out Magic so far. It only get worse in a tech based paradigm like the IM movies.

I think if we see the Rings as they are in the comics, then they will be advanced tech of some kind. With the Infinity Gauntlet and Cosmic Cube in the Marvelverse its hard to tell, but both seem to be based in "Tech" even if its Asgardian or alien tech.

[Iron_Stark]

Mandarin's rings have never been magic they've always been alien tech. They need to go with tech for the rings.

[WildcatNC]

Mandarin's rings have never been magic they've always been alien tech. They need to go with tech for the rings.

Hmmm.

I know they have been alien tech for a long time but I thought that they were magic for awhile when he was first created but was retconed later.

Doesn't Mandarin use Magic? I know i've seen that.

[Iron_Stark]

Hmmm.

I know they have been alien tech for a long time but I thought that they were magic for awhile when he was first created but was retconed later.

Doesn't Mandarin use Magic? I know i've seen that.

They've been alien tech since Tales of Suspense #62 (1965).

But yeah, ever the opportunist, he dabbles in whatever he can get his hands into, including magic.

[Iron_Stark]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/SimpsonMmyers/temp1992.jpg


:up:

I would love to see this guarding Mandarin's palace, greeting Tony at the gate.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Uhh its actually
TLOTR:The Fellowship of the Ring
TLOTR:The Two Towers and
TLOTR:Return of the King

:huh:
Yeah, I know that.
It was supposed to be an example how much it would've sucked if they had those changes in style.

[R_Hythlodeus]

I suppose we've already seen which rings they will use: neither tech nor magic but metaphorical rings

[Iron_Stark]

I suppose we've already seen which rings they will use: neither tech nor magic but metaphorical rings

:huh:

They'll give Mandarin his rings.

[R_Hythlodeus]

:huh:

They'll give Mandarin his rings.
what I meant was, the Ten Rings as a terrorist organisation (or, probably organisations) are his metaphorical rings. He may have real rings as well, but I suppose they are just jewelery. Just like Hammers or Stanes rings.

[Iron_Stark]

While Hammer's and Stane's rings are just to show they're part of his organization, Mandarin's rings should be made into weapons. Otherwise that will take away from his moveset, imagine Spider-Man not shooting webs from his wrists be it mechanical or organic.

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, I know that.
It was supposed to be an example how much it would've sucked if they had those changes in style.

The Iron Man series is not one arcing story like LOTR was, so it's not the same thing at all. IM3 won't suck just because Favs is gone. That's like saying replacing Bond directors dooms the story. All the films are connected, but self contained (with few over-arcing elements). It doesn't matter as much.

[R_Hythlodeus]

The Iron Man series is not one arcing story like LOTR was, so it's not the same thing at all. IM3 won't suck just because Favs is gone. That's like saying replacing Bond directors dooms the story. All the films are connected, but self contained (with few over-arcing elements). It doesn't matter as much.

:doh:
I agree, but we were talking about the TITLES. not the directors or the story or an overall arc. THE T I T L E S!

[Spider-Fan]

I wasn't paying attention :csad:

[BizarroAids]

I would love to finally see Mandarin. I don't think we need another baddie in a suit. It just seems like it's repetitive at this point. People would be like , "again? Someone stole his tech? That's the day you fire your security."

[louiebling$]

OMG!:wow:

The Future of The Iron Man Franchise:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48768

[kedrell]

When he says no more crossovers after Avengers I hope he means that there will be no more crossovers that are automatically expected to happen. I still like that they now have the freedom to do crossovers if it is applicable to the current film but they by no means should ever get to the state where they are expected to happen as a matter of course. They should happen when it makes sense for them to happen, and no other way than that.

[marvelrobbins]

There may be references In dialogue to The Avengers but none of them
will be showing up In Iron Man 3.Shield may still be a pressence and
Nick Fury(Samuel L Jackson has 5 more films he Is committed to) and Maria
Hill(Cobie Smolders has 8 more films she Is commited to after her dedut In
The Avengers) may show up with the esponage angle.With talk of War Machine spinoff he might not even show up In Iron Man 3 although we might
see Don Chedale simply as James rhodes and not War Machine In Iron Man 3.

Iron Man 3 may be last solo Iron man film.If Marvel/disney wants to throw a lot of money at Robert Downey JR to play Iron Man again It will likely be
for Avengers sequels.

[kedrell]

Yeah, dialogue references is ok and probably for the best as well. Iron Man still exists in a world with other superheroes & villains even after the Avengers film is over. Oh and I doubt very much there will be any LAST Iron Man solo film. He'll go on a shelf for a while after #3 to get some breathing room(maybe another TV cartoon series or even a live action series might happen in this interval) but make no mistake, the character will be making solo films for as long as Spider-man or Batman or Superman will be making them.....indefinitely.

[marvelrobbins]

Marvel could go the james Bond route and simply recast Iron Man If they don't want to try to throw money at Downey for Avengers sequels.I really hope marvel studios goes
the classic Bond way of recasting Instead of rebooting consently.I Understand rebooting
characters that have been done by other studios but reboots are going on way too much
and they could simply continue with recasting.

[kedrell]

Yes recasting is the best idea. However, I'm not one of these reboot haters who seem too concerned with being trendy for my tastes rather than being interested in whatever is the best idea for a good story(3-D haters are also the same way). Sometimes a reboot gives you opportunities that you simply couldn't get with another straight sequel. Sometimes, a reboot can even adhere to source material more closely than a previous incarnation and thus give fans the ability to see a scene that might not have worked in the other series.

As a long time Iron Man fan, I've always wanted to see Stark & Rhodes meet for the first time over in the war zone that Stark was escaping from. That is a scene that will be impossible w/o the use of a reboot. The same thing goes for a comics-accurate Edwin Jarvis, or seeing Obidiah Stane or Justin Hammer adhereing even closer(in Hammer's case, much closer) to their comics counterparts. I am not criticizing the choices that Fav's made. He did the most important thing anyone could have done....he made Iron Man a viable, likely permanent movie franchise that will allow room in the future to change things for the better via reboots and such.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Nah, stupid rumors from AICN (like the one with Matrix 4 & 5 in 3D!) I'm patiently waiting for Marvel to have an official press release for Black or whoever will direct Iron Man 3, cause right now I don't believe anything!

Would be great, if they will decide to announce the new director on San Diego Comic-Con 2011. Just imagine: the whole cast of the Avengers - some footage from the movie (they'll have it, cause the shooting starts in April) & the announcement)

[Iron_Stark]

Black directing isn't some rumor.

[Doctor Jones]

I like the entire idea of this except the real world villain thing. Does that mean we won't see Mandarin?

[Blader5489]

While Hammer's and Stane's rings are just to show they're part of his organization, Mandarin's rings should be made into weapons. Otherwise that will take away from his moveset, imagine Spider-Man not shooting webs from his wrists be it mechanical or organic.

Whoa, wait a minute, since when was Hammer a part of Ten Rings? Have I missed something? :huh:

[Iron_Stark]

I don't see why he wouldn't be used. He sure doesn't fit the description of two metal men fighting. There's nothing magical or otherworldly about him except for the ring which they could easily incorporate into real world weapons. Now if they had said "well we gotta go with another guy in a metal suit" THEN there would be cause for concern.

Like I said before, the Haunted storyline would be perfect if they want to go the Tom Clancy route which had the best version of the Mandarin to date.

[Iron_Stark]

Whoa, wait a minute, since when was Hammer a part of Ten Rings? Have I missed something? :huh:

It was never said in the movie but Favreau (or someone else) confirmed it. They mentioned his pinky finger.

I think the novel said it.

But its been pretty much common knowledge since the beginning that he was/is part of the Ten Rings like Stane.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Black directing isn't some rumor.
Really? Can you give me a proper link from Marvel? I mean, the press release? (not the Deadline/HR rumors).

[Blader5489]

Really? Can you give me a proper link from Marvel? I mean, the press release? (not the Deadline/HR rumors).

Deadline and THR are not rumor sites.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Deadline and THR are not rumor sites.
Well, they said he was close (in talks) to directing IM3, but they didn't said he was already appointed as the director of the movie.

[Blader5489]

Downey, Paltrow, and Black himself have all confirmed he's directing it, and Black just commented the other day on the script he's writing.

There hasn't been an official press release from Marvel yet, but when have they ever made an announcement before everyone already knew about it beforehand? :oldrazz:

[RealIrOnMaN]

Downey, Paltrow, and Black himself have all confirmed he's directing it, and Black just commented the other day on the script he's writing.

There hasn't been an official press release from Marvel yet, but when have they ever made an announcement before everyone already knew about it beforehand? :oldrazz:
Favreau, Branagh & Johnston had an announcement. Whedon had his SDCC'10 announcement. Black has nothing :word:

[Iron_Stark]

Well, they said he was close (in talks) to directing IM3, but they didn't said he was already appointed as the director of the movie.

Everytime Deadline or THR say so and so is in final negotiations on directing a movie means they're going to be directing.

Shane Black confirmed at Omaha Film Festival that he's directing and he's going to be meeting with RDJ this week. That wasn't some rumor that AICN made up.

Favreau, Branagh & Johnston had an announcement. Whedon had his SDCC'10 announcement. Black has nothing :word:

Marvel.com never had an announcement for Favreau, it was the same thing with Black, Favreau was in final negotiations mere weeks before comic con when he was officially announced at Comic Con, but people already knew he was going to be directing so it was no big surprise. Same thing with Whedon, pretty much everyone knew he was going to direct the Avengers weeks before being officially announced at CC. Again no one was surprised he got the job.

The difference with Black is they got him WAAAAY before Comic Con. Which is actually a good thing, he's got a couple months head start than what Favreau did in the first one.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Okay, whatever, just let them finally bring the Mandarin to the big screen.

[Iron_Stark]

I will raise holy hell if Mandarin isn't in the third.

Awesome avvy btw.:cool:

[RealIrOnMaN]

I will raise holy hell if Mandarin isn't in the third.

Awesome avvy btw.:cool:
Thanks) I would really, really like to see the Knaufs version of the character)

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[Iron_Stark]

Yep.

The Haunted storyline is the way to go if they want to have Iron Man meets Tom Clancy, plus Mandarin was a complete badass in that.

Mandarin needs to be a Ra's Al Ghul with high tech weaponry, Sun Tzu type strategist and philosopher, expert martial artist that can crack Tony's armor with his blows, and mention he's a descendant of Genghis Khan.

Also he should be a mystery, no one really knows his real name, like in the comics, he goes by Gene Khan, Zhang Tong, Tem Borjigin, so SHEILD gives him code name Mandarin.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Yep.

The Haunted storyline is the way to go if they want to have Iron Man meets Tom Clancy, plus Mandarin was a complete badass in that.

Mandarin needs to be a Ra's Al Ghul with high tech weaponry, Sun Tzu type strategist and philosopher, expert martial artist that can crack Tony's armor with his blows, and mention he's a descendant of Genghis Khan.

Also he should be a mystery, no one really knows his real name, like in the comics, he goes by Gene Khan, Zhang Tong, Tem Borjigin, so SHEILD gives him code name Mandarin.
Exactly! Couldn't have said it better) Hope the Mandarin's rings would be something between both magic & hight tech (especially after Thor comes out).

[kedrell]

I sure hope they don't do the martial arts mastery-beats-armor thing. That never made any sense to me. If you're going to do that then just drop the other shoe and call it magic. That's what it'd have to be. Now the rings as highly sophisticated weapons of either his own design or mingled(loosely) with suggestions of possible alien origins....that I'm all for.

[RealIrOnMaN]

I sure hope they don't do the martial arts mastery-beats-armor thing. That never made any sense to me. If you're going to do that then just drop the other shoe and call it magic. That's what it'd have to be. Now the rings as highly sophisticated weapons of either his own design or mingled(loosely) with suggestions of possible alien origins....that I'm all for.
Agreed. I wonder, if Black will use Justin Hammer once again.

[Doctor Jones]

Yep.

The Haunted storyline is the way to go if they want to have Iron Man meets Tom Clancy, plus Mandarin was a complete badass in that.

Mandarin needs to be a Ra's Al Ghul with high tech weaponry, Sun Tzu type strategist and philosopher, expert martial artist that can crack Tony's armor with his blows, and mention he's a descendant of Genghis Khan.

Also he should be a mystery, no one really knows his real name, like in the comics, he goes by Gene Khan, Zhang Tong, Tem Borjigin, so SHEILD gives him code name Mandarin.

I would pay good money to see this movie.

[RealIrOnMaN]

I would pay good money to see this movie.
RDJ avatars = winning :D

[RachelDawes]

Yep.

The Haunted storyline is the way to go if they want to have Iron Man meets Tom Clancy, plus Mandarin was a complete badass in that.

Mandarin needs to be a Ra's Al Ghul with high tech weaponry, Sun Tzu type strategist and philosopher, expert martial artist that can crack Tony's armor with his blows, and mention he's a descendant of Genghis Khan.

Also he should be a mystery, no one really knows his real name, like in the comics, he goes by Gene Khan, Zhang Tong, Tem Borjigin, so SHEILD gives him code name Mandarin.

Good to know that that Tom Clancy route would still allow for an awesome supervillain. I was worried for a bit.

[kedrell]

Well, it's not really much different than if before BB & TDK they had said "We're taking Batman in a Michael Mann route".

I get what they mean with the Tom Clancy stuff. It's supposed to be a techno-thriller that also happens to star Iron Man....who fits in perfectly in that sub-genre.

[chiefchirpa]

Iron Man comic is all about saving the world from man-made disaster. I don't know if they meant this to be the "Tom Clancy" stuff.

[BigThor]

I sure hope they don't do the martial arts mastery-beats-armor thing. That never made any sense to me. If you're going to do that then just drop the other shoe and call it magic. That's what it'd have to be. Now the rings as highly sophisticated weapons of either his own design or mingled(loosely) with suggestions of possible alien origins....that I'm all for.

Same here, it's kind of stupid for a martial arts blow to penetrate an suit of armor that shrugs off high caliber bullets & military explosives.

They would have to have Mandarin mixing his martial arts with some type of "alien" or "high tech" weaponry.

[Iron_Stark]

Same here, it's kind of stupid for a martial arts blow to penetrate an suit of armor that shrugs off high caliber bullets & military explosives.

They would have to have Mandarin mixing his martial arts with some type of "alien" or "high tech" weaponry.

Yeah, ya'll are right, it would look a bit silly for Iron Man to take shells from a tank only to get his armor torn off by a kick.

But the rest that I mentioned should stay. :cwink:

Mixing martial arts with "alien" or "high tech" weaponry would be cool, but they would have to know how to pull it off and not come off cheesy like Robocop 3. (but then again that was Robocop 3 and everything failed in that one)

[Bren]

The martial art used should not be the reason he can break through IM's armour - It should be the reason IM is hit so often.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Mandarin always used more than just martial arts though, this was obvious in the comics especially when IM can take hits from most villains, he took plenty from the Extremis guy before his armour cracked.

[MichaelChen]

The Mandarin has superhuman strength. I don't know why people keep forgetting that, it's right there in his early stories, Iron Man talking about how the Mandarin's strength rivals the armor. The Mandarin has the power to channel Chi into superhuman strength, and the ability to go years without food and water. Basically he chi-amps his strength to Iron Man level and his skill takes care of the rest.

Anyway, the Mandarin is much like Deathstroke, and Prometheus, if you downplay his martial arts too much you ruin his character. He's very bland if he's all about the rings and nothing but the rings. He is, and should remain, someone whose bread-n-butter is martial arts, and who uses prep and the rings to get a little cheap advantage. Creating illusions with the mind-ring and then sucker-punching Iron Man while he's fighting things that aren't there, for example.

Kind of like the way Prometheus uses his little strobe-light thing, as a method of disorienting his opponent before he jumps on him physically.

[Iron_Stark]

I really doubt they're going to go the superhuman strength route in this movie. They'll more than likely focus on the rings as his source of power.

[MichaelChen]

How bland that would be, like having Deathstroke in a story and have him use nothing but a sniper-rifle. *sigh* It really sounds like they will ruin the Mandarin like they ruined Dr. Doom, making him bland as hell in the name of realism.

[Iron_Stark]

Come on, I wouldn't go that far, they can still make a badass Mandarin and still ground him a bit.

Ra's was still badass without having the Lazarus Pit in Batman Begins.

Mandarin not having superhuman strength isn't going to make or break the character.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Aren't the Avengers fighting aliens? Or, at the very least, a god or two?

I don't see why Mandarin has to be grounded after that. After Thor, the cat's out of the bag on the Marvel Universe.

[Spider-Vader]

They could alter the origins of Mandarin's powers & say it's from Asgard. I don't think any of us will be mad, as long as the rest of the character stays unchanged.

[TheVileOne]

How do we know Mandarin will even be in the movie?

[Eelectro 2]

the mandarin has been hinted at in both films so it would make sense for them to finally get around to bringing him in the way he was intended, if they had a version already picked out. given the mechanical aspects of both first films it would be a little different to see a villain with powers that werent based on technology, but not a bad thing. i would see it as a bad thing if all of the sudden there were mystical or supernatural elements to it. even tho the universe iron man exists in now is accepting to the idea of other planets and such i guess it wouldnt be that far fetched but i imagine they would use a more physical means for theatening iron man in the 3rd film. iron monger was huge and a more powerful version of the original suit, whiplash had his whips and the hammer-army so i wonder where they would think of going for the last iron man film since war machine helping him is pretty much a given.

[Project862006]

Drew Pearce Writing IM3
http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/marvel-taps-its-runaways-scribe-drew-pearce-to-write-iron-man-3-script/

[Parker Wayne]

At first I was wondering why Black isn't writing, but I figure that Shane Black will either co-write it or possibly even rewrite the script, which either way will be a good thing.

[Supermanreturns]

At first I was wondering why Black isn't writing, but I figure that Shane Black will either co-write it or possibly even rewrite the script, which either way will be a good thing.

Yep. Black will write the script along with Pearce.

[Parker Wayne]

Ah, that's great. Since Black isn't really a guy that has dabbled with Superheroes or sci-fi much before I think it's good he's paired with a screenwriter who has.

[TheVileOne]

According to Deadline Hollywood, "Drew Pearce will work closely with Black." So take it for what it's worth.

Black is really good but since this is a huge step above what he's done before at least as a director I don't think it hurts having someone else carrying the workload.

Plus from what we know of Downey he likes to re-write or just come up with his own material on the fly.

[Iron_Stark]

As long as they don't forget to write in Mandarin, I don't care who's writing.

[Parker Wayne]

If anything, like I said before, Black would probably do a rewrite of some of the dialogue and be his own script doctor for it ala Christopher Nolan for Batman Begins.

[Silvermoth]

At first I was wondering why Black isn't writing, but I figure that Shane Black will either co-write it or possibly even rewrite the script, which either way will be a good thing.

I think he's there to sort of comedy up the script a bit so it's not too hardcore like Payne with Thor's script.

But we'll see. I've got nothing against the guy.

[Iron_Stark]

http://collider.com/michelle-monaghan-video-interview-source-code/82677/

Michelle Monaghan says she wants to be in Iron Man 3 and that Shane Black is really excited about directing the movie.

Give her a golden mask, two guns and put her in the movie!

[Sgt.Pepper]

Though I would like Black to write the whole script, I understand it's probably tough for him because he is writing two other projects that is in-development.

Nevertheless it will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Chewy]

EDIT: Nevermind, forgot what day it is.

[Wolverine1988]

Finnally got around to seeing Kiss Kiss Bang Bang..Great movie if Shane Black is directing than count me in.

I felt IM2 was a HUGE letdown, so iam hoping it comes back strong with this third film.
RDJ needs to find a way to switch it up but still remain true to the character becausein IM2 he was very unlikeable and a complete douche at times.

[kedrell]

Unlikeable? I didn't get that. I could understand all the other characters in the film being upset with how he was acting but as an audience member I knew the reasons behind his behavior. An overall excellent film that was a little less great than the 1st, but then that wasn't quite unexpected based on how great the 1st was.

Eh, to each his own I guess.

[Son of Coul]

Tony Stark is always a douche and that is why we love him.

[Iron_Stark]

Part 3 should be a combo of the Extremis and Haunted storylines.

Mandarin as the big bad.
Villains would be Ghost (used to infiltrate and steal Extremis) and Extremis enhanced test subjects.

No metal men beating each other up and that would be the Clancy type thriller they wanted.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/384118/Jon_Favreau_Having_The_Moment_article_story_main.j pg

At Wondercon, Favreau was asked if he might still play Happy Hogan in Iron Man 3. Said he loves Shane Black and is open to it. "I love that franchise."

[Sebastos]

Cool, nice find. :up:

[SuperSAINT]

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/384118/jon_favreau_having_the_moment_article_story_main.j pg

at wondercon, favreau was asked if he might still play happy hogan in iron man 3. Said he loves shane black and is open to it. "i love that franchise."

love it.

[Sgt.Pepper]

It will be great if Favreau has a chance to reprise his role as Happy Hogan.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_liwdst4yd91qc4wydo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1301990271&Signature=szU0fjPTRXC8GxQmNSeMWUk7XX4%3D

Happy Birthday, Mister Stark! RDJ goes 46!

[Sgt.Pepper]

Happy birthday RDJ! :yay:

[Parker Wayne]

http://images.hitfix.com/photos/384118/Jon_Favreau_Having_The_Moment_article_story_main.j pg

At Wondercon, Favreau was asked if he might still play Happy Hogan in Iron Man 3. Said he loves Shane Black and is open to it. "I love that franchise."

:awesome:

[Spider-Fan]

Happy coming back would be good. But if he doesn't, whatever. He wasn't exactly a central character in the last 2 films. He got more material in IM2, yes, but we can lose him.

[Doctor Jones]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_liwdst4yd91qc4wydo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1301990271&Signature=szU0fjPTRXC8GxQmNSeMWUk7XX4%3D

Happy Birthday, Mister Stark! RDJ goes 46!

How recent are these? Because he has the Stark style for Avengers. :awesome:

[Sebastos]

These have to be fairly recent!!

[Anno_Domini]

Iron Man 3 :

The Mandarin as the big bad and leader of the Ten Rings and sends out Ghost and Madame Masque to infiltrate Stark Industries and corrupt the company from the inside out. We find out that Stane, Hammer and the man who helped Vanko with the passport are all members of Ten Rings(I'd want to see someone going after and killing Hammer to start the "mystery" that Shane Black keeps referring to; perhaps Madame Masque does this).

Ghost messes up with all of Stark's technology and it doesn't become useful anymore, so the final battle between Mandarin and Iron Man involves Tony having to rely on the Mark I armor.

Ghost is killed, Madame Masque is defeated and arrested.

Mandarin is worshipping a giant serpent in the form of Fin Fang Foom which he thinks will engulf the world(kinda like Norse beliefs) and his ten rings are technological advanced rings where he can control pretty much anything. His storyline could be left wide in the open, instead of just death or being arrested.

War Machine decides to go out and start saving people on his own to start a War Machine spin-off.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Part 3 should be a combo of the Extremis and Haunted storylines.
Mandarin as the big bad.
Villains would be Ghost (used to infiltrate and steal Extremis) and Extremis enhanced test subjects.

No metal men beating each other up and that would be the Clancy type thriller they wanted.

This all sounds spot on to me, especially the mixture of those 2 storylines, I think that would make a great IM3.

[Fudgie]

As long as they use Mandarin for the villain its all good. Whiplash was really lackluster for me.

[DarkSovereignty]

Iron Man 3 :

The Mandarin as the big bad and leader of the Ten Rings and sends out Ghost and Madame Masque to infiltrate Stark Industries and corrupt the company from the inside out. We find out that Stane, Hammer and the man who helped Vanko with the passport are all members of Ten Rings(I'd want to see someone going after and killing Hammer to start the "mystery" that Shane Black keeps referring to; perhaps Madame Masque does this).

Ghost messes up with all of Stark's technology and it doesn't become useful anymore, so the final battle between Mandarin and Iron Man involves Tony having to rely on the Mark I armor.

Ghost is killed, Madame Masque is defeated and arrested.

Mandarin is worshipping a giant serpent in the form of Fin Fang Foom which he thinks will engulf the world(kinda like Norse beliefs) and his ten rings are technological advanced rings where he can control pretty much anything. His storyline could be left wide in the open, instead of just death or being arrested.

War Machine decides to go out and start saving people on his own to start a War Machine spin-off.
i like the idea, but i would make it that anton vanko was a member of the 10 rings, the movie could start with mandarin retreiving the ring from the corpse of ivan vanko, who was wearing it in memory of his father or something.

[Anno_Domini]

I didn't say Anton Vanko was because I don't really want to touch on anything that would mess up continuity given in Anton's backstory. Plus, I don't think Ivan was wearing a ring, was he? And was Anton?

[kedrell]

Iron Man 3 :

The Mandarin as the big bad and leader of the Ten Rings and sends out Ghost and Madame Masque to infiltrate Stark Industries and corrupt the company from the inside out. We find out that Stane, Hammer and the man who helped Vanko with the passport are all members of Ten Rings(I'd want to see someone going after and killing Hammer to start the "mystery" that Shane Black keeps referring to; perhaps Madame Masque does this).

Ghost messes up with all of Stark's technology and it doesn't become useful anymore, so the final battle between Mandarin and Iron Man involves Tony having to rely on the Mark I armor.

Ghost is killed, Madame Masque is defeated and arrested.

Mandarin is worshipping a giant serpent in the form of Fin Fang Foom which he thinks will engulf the world(kinda like Norse beliefs) and his ten rings are technological advanced rings where he can control pretty much anything. His storyline could be left wide in the open, instead of just death or being arrested.

War Machine decides to go out and start saving people on his own to start a War Machine spin-off.


Hmm, I think Mandarin, Ghost AND Madame Masque seems a bit overkill IMO. I think Mandarin & Ghost would be enough. Maybe a small non-supervillain type villain(like Justin Hammer returning or someone else) would work in there as well. But I'm really resistant to using Masque as a lackey. Aside from the Mandarin himself, she's about the only remaining member of Iron Man's rogue's gallery that I have no difficulty seeing as being able to be a main threat and carry a film. Maybe some others could as well but they'd need(a lot of) tweaking.

[Anno_Domini]

It isn't overkill the way I think it could be, imo. Mandarin will only be used in the background and shadows until the very end. Besides, Mandarin seems to be someone who just works in the shadows with having the Ten Rings. No use of him fighting any battles until Tony comes to his front door for a fight.

And regarding Madame Masque, it's time we see her as there will obviously not be a fourth film, lol. Unless they use MM for a War Machine film.

[DarkSovereignty]

I didn't say Anton Vanko was because I don't really want to touch on anything that would mess up continuity given in Anton's backstory. Plus, I don't think Ivan was wearing a ring, was he? And was Anton?
well, its not in the suspension of disbelief that he wore a ring underneath his final suit. just explain it away, like during his autopsy they find a ring on his finger or on his necklace or something. i just think it would be a cool idea. maybe have it that mandarin is much older than stark and had tried to induct howard stark into the ten rings years ago, anton was also a member, hence why stark had him deported, and stark declined the offer resulting in his "car crash." idk. just a couple of thoughts.

[kedrell]

It isn't overkill the way I think it could be, imo. Mandarin will only be used in the background and shadows until the very end. Besides, Mandarin seems to be someone who just works in the shadows with having the Ten Rings. No use of him fighting any battles until Tony comes to his front door for a fight.

And regarding Madame Masque, it's time we see her as there will obviously not be a fourth film, lol. Unless they use MM for a War Machine film.

I highly doubt that. Maybe no fourth film w/ the current cast but they'll be making Iron Man films for a long time I think. Just like they keep makin Superman, Batman, Spider-Man & X-Men films.

[Iron_Stark]

It isn't overkill the way I think it could be, imo. Mandarin will only be used in the background and shadows until the very end. Besides, Mandarin seems to be someone who just works in the shadows with having the Ten Rings. No use of him fighting any battles until Tony comes to his front door for a fight.

And regarding Madame Masque, it's time we see her as there will obviously not be a fourth film, lol. Unless they use MM for a War Machine film.

Like I said in another thread, Heeeeeeell no, no main Iron Man villain (MM, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo etc.) should ever be introduced in any movie not named Iron Man *something* or in a film with Iron Man in the credits.

As far as there not being a 4th film, lol, maybe not with RDJ, but there will be a 4th, 5th, 6th etc before a War Machine movie.

Iron Man is just under Spider-Man and Batman as far as movie money is concerned, I highly doubt they're done with the franchise anytime soon.

[Lord]

Iron Man 3 should have the Mandarin as the main villain and Fin Fang Foom as an ancient robor creation or something like that.

[Anno_Domini]

well, its not in the suspension of disbelief that he wore a ring underneath his final suit. just explain it away, like during his autopsy they find a ring on his finger or on his necklace or something. i just think it would be a cool idea. maybe have it that mandarin is much older than stark and had tried to induct howard stark into the ten rings years ago, anton was also a member, hence why stark had him deported, and stark declined the offer resulting in his "car crash." idk. just a couple of thoughts.

Well, that's cool you would add that and I'm not saying "no, don't do that", but it's not something I would really add, imo. The Vankos, I think they were part of their own thing, but I don't see them as part of the Ten Rings. The man who helped Ivan, however, I could see part of the TR. And with Hammer being part of them as well, it would make some sense that someone in the Ten Rings saw potential in Ivan and that's more of the reason why he brought Ivan back to the US.

I highly doubt that. Maybe no fourth film w/ the current cast but they'll be making Iron Man films for a long time I think. Just like they keep makin Superman, Batman, Spider-Man & X-Men films.

As far as there not being a 4th film, lol, maybe not with RDJ, but there will be a 4th, 5th, 6th etc before a War Machine movie.

Iron Man is just under Spider-Man and Batman as far as movie money is concerned, I highly doubt they're done with the franchise anytime soon.

:doh:

I thought what I said would quickly mean that I was referring to the RDJ-era of Iron Man films. Sure, I am aware that we will get as many Iron Man films as we will get of Spider-Man, Batman or even Superman, but I am only talking about the fact that we will not, most likely, receive a fourth Iron Man film with RDJ as Tony Stark. And with that, I think we will get more of the lines of Ultimate Iron Man after RDJ's trilogy, imo.

Like I said in another thread, Heeeeeeell no, no main Iron Man villain (MM, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo etc.) should ever be introduced in any movie not named Iron Man *something* or in a film with Iron Man in the credits.

Well, one reason why I want MM to be used in IM3. I think we could get a great story with having at least one female villain in the mix.

But, I wonder...who would be a good villain for a War Machine spin-off?

[Iron_Stark]

I wouldn't mind MM in this third one, especially if Hammer doesn't return. She could be part of the Ten Rings since I doubt they'll introduce the mob in these movies and the one with the connection to Ghost like in the comics. Its not like she'd be a physical threat for Tony or in a suit.

As for War Machine, an evil dictator, terrorists (AIM maybe) or Firepower who he actually has history with in the comics would be nice villains.

[Spider-Fan]

Don't make a 4th movie just because they didn't get to a certain villain. I'd rather they do Mandarin and maybe someone who is more of a physical threat. The problem with MM is that she is not really a physical threat. She is more a smart villain, which Mandarin should primarily be.

[Anno_Domini]

I wouldn't mind MM in this third one, especially if Hammer doesn't return. She could be part of the Ten Rings since I doubt they'll introduce the mob in these movies and the one with the connection to Ghost like in the comics. Its not like she'd be a physical threat for Tony or in a suit.

As for War Machine, an evil dictator, terrorists (AIM maybe) or Firepower who he actually has history with in the comics would be nice villains.

Well, speaking of Hammer, I said before that I think he'll probably die if he does show up in the third as he had his only purpose in IM2.

But, Madame Masque may not be threatening, but she could be a threat if Ghost messed up all of Stark's technology, which means zero armors.

And of War Machine...it would be awesome to have WM facing off with AIM, imo.

Don't make a 4th movie just because they didn't get to a certain villain. I'd rather they do Mandarin and maybe someone who is more of a physical threat. The problem with MM is that she is not really a physical threat. She is more a smart villain, which Mandarin should primarily be.

I shouldn't have brought that whole "fourth movie" thing because it seems to have confused some people, haha. I'm saying there WON'T be a fourth film with RDJ being involved, lol, so I would like to see the last three villains that I care about seeing. And, I think we should get passed physical threats, imo. We've had just robots, robots, robots. It's time for more stealthier/smarter villains to take on.

[Spider-Fan]

But, Iron Man still needs to fight things. All the villains can't be smart/stealthy. The audience will be bored.

[Anno_Domini]

So you only want Mandarin as the only smart/stealthy villain? Lol. Ghost can be a great villain to fight against and so can Mandarin, that is until you get passed all of his tricks/plans/covers like the entire Ten Rings organization.

[kedrell]

But, Iron Man still needs to fight things. All the villains can't be smart/stealthy. The audience will be bored.

If done right, The Mandarin fits that bill totally.

[Fudgie]

Who would you want to play Mandarin?

[Anno_Domini]

If he wasn't 60...

http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Cary-Hiroyuki-Tagawa-400x356-24kb-media-1387-media-93235-1097659501.jpg

[Spider-Fan]

If done right, The Mandarin fits that bill totally.

I agree, but he can't fight Iron Man the whole movie.

[Dark Raven]

If he wasn't 60...

http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Cary-Hiroyuki-Tagawa-400x356-24kb-media-1387-media-93235-1097659501.jpg

Asians age much more slowly than Caucasians, so he might not look that old. Also, who is to say how old the Mandarin is supposed to be? He's not a young whippersnapper, that's for sure. He should have a certain amount of gravitas and not come across like a young upstart like Justin Hammer. 60 is a good age for an experienced villain (especially since he probably won't look 60). He'll look more menacing. Even if he is in his 40s, he will probably look too young. Marc Dacascos is 47 and he looks young to be playing the part of Wo Fat in Hawaii Five-0, even though it's a reimagined role.

[kedrell]

I agree, but he can't fight Iron Man the whole movie.

That's why I like the idea that Vanko emailed the specs for the mini arc reactor in IM2 to the Mandarin before he went off to fight Iron Man. Mandy goes ahead and distributes the tech to various underworld types(who are eager to get new toys that will make their crimes that much more successful) while Mandy knows that all this crime being elevated to supercrime will have a destabilizing effect on the western world, thus increasing his own power(sort of an abstract version of how Goldfinger was going to get richer not by stealing the gold in Fort Knox but rather by blowing it up). Thus we'll have plenty of despensable small time bad guys to keep Tony busy and keep the action quota full throughout the film.

[kedrell]

Who would you want to play Mandarin?

I've liked the Chow Yun Fat suggestion for a while now. But I'm sure there are others who are very capable as well.

[Anno_Domini]

Vanko sending blueprints to Mandarin? That could be possible.

[Spider-Fan]

Not a bad idea. I feel like Vanko is just going to disappear, though. I doubt he gets referenced again.

[kedrell]

Well I like the idea that his last words(if he is indeed dead..we never see him actually die) weren't just an empty boast. I like that maybe he wasn't refering to all the explosives in his bots but rather "I've made sure this technology you covet will now be out there to the world for all time. Try putting THAT genie back in the bottle. You lose."

[kedrell]

Vanko sending blueprints to Mandarin? That could be possible.

Or just uploading it all onto the internet for all the world to see and then the Mandarin takes advantage by using his money and underworld influence to make sure many criminal organizations now have this super tech at their disposal, thus encouraging the whole destabilizing of the west thing that he wants.

[Fudgie]

I've liked the Chow Yun Fat suggestion for a while now. But I'm sure there are others who are very capable as well.

Hes a good suggestion. I could totally see it.

[Spider-Fan]

Chow Yun Fat as Mandarin would be an awesome choice.

[Anno_Domini]

Well saying "You lose" would pretty much mean "I sent all of the blueprints to the Ten Rings...so, even if I die, you will lose in the end". It could definitely mean more than just trying to blow up all of the drones.

Plus, like I said, even if the Vankos weren't wearing rings, and I wouldn't say the Vankos are part of the TR, we could definitely find out that Ivan KNEW that Hammer was working with Mandarin. Him sending the blueprints to Mandarin after effing up with Hammer's men would be somewhat of a double cross and would mean Hammer could die. His purpose may not be needed since Mandarin received the blueprints directly from the source.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think that is what he meant by "You lose." I think he was just talking about either the bombs or the fact that the legacy of Iron Man had been damaged by the experience. Clearly, everyone loves Tony and IM saved the day, but this experience also showed the destructive capabilities of the armor and/or knock offs of it.

[Parker Wayne]

^ I agree, but I'm hoping those words would foreshadow something happening in Iron Man 3.

[Spider-Fan]

I think it will, but nothing obvious like Mandarin has blueprints for an armor. I don't see them going that route solely because I think the series needs a film away from armored villains. I think that will have more resonance with the Mandarin's overall scheme.

[kedrell]

I think it will, but nothing obvious like Mandarin has blueprints for an armor. I don't see them going that route solely because I think the series needs a film away from armored villains. I think that will have more resonance with the Mandarin's overall scheme.

Well the armor is beside the point. I was more refering to the specs of how the miniaturized arc reactor works. That's the real ticket that nobody other than Tony & Ivan knew how to build. You can do a helluva lot with that much power in a small space, not just armors(hint, hint...power rings).

[ElMariachi]

Chow Yun Fat would be cool, although he is too obvious of a choice. I would prefer they go with a more bold choice for Mandarin.

Mark Dacascos was a good suggestion. He looks good, talks good, is a martial artist, and is a nice age for the role. I don't know about his acting though. He is seems more like a t.v. or direct to DVD talent. Then again, perhaps he was never given a chance to shine in a big role. Whatever the case, seems kinda unlikely.

Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa would have been great, although I agree that he might be too old at this point. I haven't seen him with long black hair for awile, but I suppose it's possible he could look good. He has a great voice and a menacing look. The Mandarin doesn't have to be young. He would be pretty much the same age as Jeff Bridges--who looked great in Iron Man.

My favorites,
Hiroyuki Sanada (Lost, Rush Hour 3, Last Samurai). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0760796/

Donnie Yen (Hero, Shanghai Knights, Iron Monkey)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0947447/

Ken Leung (Rush Hour 1, X-Men 3, Saw, Lost)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0504962/

Daniel Day Kim (Lost, Hawaii 5-0)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0196654/

Ian Anthony Dale (Mortal Kombat: Legacy, The Hangover)http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1406333/

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7396/iananthonydaleassimonle.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/iananthonydaleassimonle.jpg/)

[Anno_Domini]

Scorpion was in The Hangover?

I don't think that is what he meant by "You lose." I think he was just talking about either the bombs or the fact that the legacy of Iron Man had been damaged by the experience. Clearly, everyone loves Tony and IM saved the day, but this experience also showed the destructive capabilities of the armor and/or knock offs of it.

I wasn't exactly talking about the armor. The blueprints of how he(Ivan) created the arc reactor is way more important than blueprints of drones. I could definitely see the beginning of Iron Man 3 being in a similar fashion of how The Avengers: EMH started with Tony intercepting a transition of stolen Stark tech, but in this case, blueprints or already-built arc reactors. Would very much bring the Ten Rings storyline back into the movie very quickly.

[Iron_Stark]

Ian Anthony Dale would be almost spot on casting, (half Asian half caucasian) actor but he's too young. Mandarin needs to be way older than Tony. Actually Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa would be great. Especially with the way they de-age actors nowadays. Age him to look like he's in his 50s and there you go.

Edit. They don't even need to de-age him, he's a year younger than Jeff Bridges, so the actor that portrays Mandarin should be around that age.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Extremis is the way to go for part 3. People using Tony's tech and the arc reactor is getting played out.

[RoughNTumble]

what's the latest word on this movie? I haven't heard anything--of course, I haven't been paying attention since iron man 2.

[Sgt.Pepper]

what's the latest word on this movie? I haven't heard anything--of course, I haven't been paying attention since iron man 2.

The latest news was that Marvel Studios hired Drew Pearce (No Heroics) to write Iron Man 3. He is going to work closely with Black on the script.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/marvel-taps-its-runaways-scribe-drew-pearce-to-write-iron-man-3-script/

[RoughNTumble]

cool, thanks

[kedrell]

Mandarin needs to be way older than Tony.

Huh? Since when? In all the Iron Man comics I've read, Mandy's never been significanty older than Tony. Maybe Tony's in his mid thirties and Mandy's in his forties but that's about it. The only foe who's been portrayed as significantly older is Justin Hammer. Even Stane in the comics wasn't much older, if at all.

[Anno_Domini]

Maybe he was referring to the classic animated film, The Invincible Iron Man, haha.

[Fudgie]

The latest news was that Marvel Studios hired Drew Pearce (No Heroics) to write Iron Man 3. He is going to work closely with Black on the script.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/marvel-taps-its-runaways-scribe-drew-pearce-to-write-iron-man-3-script/

Coolio.

[Iron_Stark]

Huh? Since when? In all the Iron Man comics I've read, Mandy's never been significanty older than Tony. Maybe Tony's in his mid thirties and Mandy's in his forties but that's about it. The only foe who's been portrayed as significantly older is Justin Hammer. Even Stane in the comics wasn't much older, if at all.

During the Knaufs run he was way older with grey hair.

But you're right Stane was never Hammer old in the comics, but in the movie he was way older than Tony, almost old enough to be his dad so imo they should make Mandarin around that age or at least 50. Rourke is 58 and Bridges is 61, it wouldn't be a shocker if Mandarin is around that age.

Besides I don't see Stane, Hammer, Whiplash, Rasa taking orders from some 25-30 year old guy.

[kedrell]

Well, that's way past the time I stopped reading comics altogether. I just remember Hammer being the only one who was clearly older than Tony(and British to boot). However they do it I'm sure will be fine but I don't think it's mandatory that Mandarin be older than Tony. Just so long as they don't get some 20-something kid to play him, I'll be a-ok.

[Dark Raven]

Stane should've been younger. Hammer should've been older. I just hope they get the right age balance for the Mandarin. I don't want to see him as a young whippersnapper. He needs to seem like he has some life experience and wisdom, and most importantly some gravitas. If he's the same age or younger, he might come off like movie Justin Hammer.

In the past, all the Bond villains were older. It's only in recent years (starting with the Brosnan era) that the villains have been the same age (or younger). That never worked. The older villains are much more classic and seasoned. Mandarin should be like that. Which is why I would never want to see someone like Will Yun Lee as the Mandarin. He seems more of a lackey than a mastermind. His appearances in Hawaii Five-0 have him right about where he should be on the leader scale.

[Iron_Stark]

Well, that's way past the time I stopped reading comics altogether. I just remember Hammer being the only one who was clearly older than Tony(and British to boot). However they do it I'm sure will be fine but I don't think it's mandatory that Mandarin be older than Tony. Just so long as they don't get some 20-something kid to play him, I'll be a-ok.

You need to pick up their run, especially the Haunted storyline, quite possibly the best portrayal of Mandarin ever.

Yeah I'll be fine with whoever they get as Mandarin as long as he isn't significantly younger than RDJ.

Just a quick fyi, before Favreau left I read somewhere he was considering Asian pop star Rain for the role. Now don't get me wrong I loved him in Ninja Assassin, but but he would've been way too damn young.

edit, I meant significantly younger, like in his 20s - early 30s. Someone like Collin Chou, who's about 2 years younger than RDJ would be awesome. Early 40s - 50s should be the range, now that I think about it.

[Parker Wayne]

Stane should've been younger. Hammer should've been older. I just hope they get the right age balance for the Mandarin. I don't want to see him as a young whippersnapper. He needs to seem like he has some life experience and wisdom, and most importantly some gravitas. If he's the same age or younger, he might come off like movie Justin Hammer.

In the past, all the Bond villains were older. It's only in recent years (starting with the Brosnan era) that the villains have been the same age (or younger). That never worked. The older villains are much more classic and seasoned. Mandarin should be like that. Which is why I would never want to see someone like Will Yun Lee as the Mandarin. He seems more of a lackey than a mastermind. His appearances in Hawaii Five-0 have him right about where he should be on the leader scale.

I see a lot of false statements in this post. First, it really doesn't matter how old are for movies as long they fit the story, in which Stane's case worked and Hammer could've been done better.

Two, it's always been half and half with how old Bond villains are. Sure, Bloefeld was much older, but other villains like Dr. No, Emilio Largo, Goldinger etc. have been around the same age Bond. Also, the newer younger villains did work too like 006 and Le Chiffre.

[Fudgie]

No way Largo and Goldfinger were Bond's age.

[kedrell]

Yeah, I thought they were older too. But LeChiffre & Trevelyan were great and definitely were the same age.

[Parker Wayne]

No way Largo and Goldfinger were Bond's age.

I said around Bond's age as Bond is in his late 30s/early 40s. Maybe not Largo but Auric Goldinger is supposed to be in his early 40s.

[Fudgie]

Goldfinger didn't look remotely close to Connery's age. Gert Frobe was in his 50's when he made it and he looked it. If their intention was to hire an actor who looked to be around Connery's age then they failed miserably.

[Parker Wayne]

They did. :funny:

[kedrell]

Perhaps, but Goldfinger is still the ultimate Bond film.

[Parker Wayne]

I love From Russia with Love more.

[Sebastos]

Ken Watanabe for Mandarin, nuff said.

I love From Russia with Love more.

Same here, FRWL is my favorite with Goldfinger a close second. :up:

[Sgt.Pepper]

Shane Black to Co-Write Iron Man 3

When Drew Pearce was announced as the screenwriter of Iron Man 3, a lot of people were disappointed. The movie’s being directed by Shane Black, who’s best known as a pretty great screenwriter, especially when it comes to big-budget action. The hope among fans had been that he’d be scripting the movie too, and in the process would really be able to make the whole thing his vision. Don’t worry, he will.

We’ve heard from multiple, completely trustworthy sources that Shane Black is in fact writing Iron Man 3. He’ll co-write the movie with Pearce and word is that his ideas are behind a lot of what’s happening with the script they’re working on. Shane Black will be writing, or co-writing at least, the Iron Man 3 script which he’ll also direct.


Good thing Marvel wise up and let Black work on the script too. I'm so excited to see what he is going to bring to the franchise.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Shane-Black-Is-Writing-Iron-Man-3-After-All-24348.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Shane-Black-Is-Writing-Iron-Man-3-After-All-24348.html)

[kedrell]

We all pretty much guessed that anyway, but still good to have confirmation. :up:

[Spider-Fan]

I'll have to look this Drew Pearce up on IMDB later. Shane Black being a co-writer means a lot, but I still would like to see what the other guy has done.

[kedrell]

Not much from what I've heard.

[Dark Raven]

I see a lot of false statements in this post. First, it really doesn't matter how old are for movies as long they fit the story, in which Stane's case worked and Hammer could've been done better.

Two, it's always been half and half with how old Bond villains are. Sure, Bloefeld was much older, but other villains like Dr. No, Emilio Largo, Goldinger etc. have been around the same age Bond. Also, the newer younger villains did work too like 006 and Le Chiffre.

I always put Blofeld around the same age as Dr No. Dr No, being asian, could easily have looked younger, and it's not like he looked so young anyway. Largo had a full head of white hair and Goldfinger was definitely much older.

Trevelyan only works in a "spy vs spy" scenario, but not as a mastermind, which is what the Mandarin is. I didn't think Le Chiffre was anywhere as effective as he could've been had he been played by someone older. I think Michel Lonsdale (Drax) would've made an excellent Le Chiffre had he been around today and hadn't played in Moonraker.

And don't get me started on the likes of Renard or Gustav Graves. Toby Stephens was the epitome of the young upstart villain who was a mere pretender. I certainly don't want that kind of vibe from the Mandarin. That's why I think he needs to be older.

[TheVileOne]

Umm are you kidding me on Goldfinger? Frobe was in his 50's and looks it if you actually watch the ultimate editions/blu-ray. Connery was in his early 30's at that point.

To me age doesn't matter so much with Mandarin. I think Mandarin though just shouldn't be like Stark's doppleganger like with Hammer being the anti-Stark. Or Brock being made more like Peter Parker.

[Parker Wayne]

Did anyone actually thought that Black would not be working on the script in some way?

[Sgt.Pepper]

When they announce the new screenwriter, it didn't say that Black will co-write the script, it only said "Pearce will work closely with Black".

But of course, I knew that they hired Black not because of his directing skills but his writing skills.

[Fudgie]

Umm are you kidding me on Goldfinger? Frobe was in his 50's and looks it if you actually watch the ultimate editions/blu-ray. Connery was in his early 30's at that point.

Thats right. Thats why I dont believe they were trying to cast an actor who looked around Connerys age. They would have to have been blind to cast Frobe on that basis.

[Parker Wayne]

When they announce the new screenwriter, it didn't say that Black will co-write the script, it only said "Pearce will work closely with Black".

But of course, I knew that they hired Black not because of his directing skills but his writing skills.

Yeah, but as a career screenwriter I knew he would either co-write, or rewrite/script doctor it.

[Sgt.Pepper]

I read somewhere that they hired Pearce to tone down Black's script but I don't think that's true.

Anyway, it's Disney/Marvel's benefit to have Black work on this.

[Fudgie]

What was so bad about Blacks script?

[Sgt.Pepper]

Nothing, at least to my knowledge.

I just read somewhere that said that Pearce was hired to tone down some of Black' edge but others say that’s not the case, so it's just rumors.

[Dark Raven]

Whatever Black or Pearce write, I'm sure half of it will go out of the window when Downey Jr does his improvisations and on-the-spot rewrites.

[Fudgie]

Nothing, at least to my knowledge.

I just read somewhere that said that Pearce was hired to tone down some of Black' edge but others say that’s not the case, so it's just rumors.

Ok thanks. Id love to see what he wrote though.

[Spider-Fan]

Looks like Drew Pearce mostly just wrote shorts and TV show episodes. Nothing that I have seen.

[kedrell]

Prearce strikes me as someone with more of a 'knowledgable fan's' perspective while Black has the 'experienced hollywood writer's' perspective. Black's there to make sure the movie is well written(aside from his directing duties) while Pearce is there to make sure the movie is also a good Iron Man/Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. That's my guess.

[Fudgie]

What a great combo theyd have made then if they worked together on a script.

[Dark Raven]

My choices for Justin Hammer if they gone the classic comics route would either have been Ian McKellan (although he's already Magneto but that doesn't matter) or Jesper Christensen who played the villain Mr White in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Look at this picture of him here (albeit with dyed white hair) and tell me this doesn't remind you of classic Hammer:

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216587_209960352356632_133820489970619_774606_2609 65_n.jpg

Maybe they could still get him, and he could be Justin Hammer Sr, and Sam Rockwell could be retconned to be Justin Hammer Jr (I know that in the comics Hammer doesn't have a son but a daughter named Justine, but whatever). Christensen could be the equivalent of Lionel Luthor in Smallville to Michael Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor - an older, magnificent bastard of a father who is even more diabolical.

[kedrell]

If they went with Ultimate Justin Hammer(who's really basically the same except for being an American southerner rather than British) then James Woods is still at the top of my list and has been since day one.

[Parker Wayne]

My guess to why they went younger was because they already went with Jeff Bridges in the first Iron Man so I don't think they wanted another villain that's much older than Stark. That's my guess.

[kedrell]

That's my guess as well. Though I feel Hammer NOT being a guy who dons armor to fight Iron Man, as well as being British rather than Stane's American and not being a part of Stark's past or company were plenty enough to separate him from Stane. Nolan didn't even do half as much to make Maroni not a Falcone clone in TDK and it still was fine. Now, I love Favs. He's one of my favorite directors. But I just get the feeling that he was suprised by just how big a success the 1st Iron Man was and had some self doubt issues about continuing. Thus he might have over thought just how to do something so relatively simple as distinguish Hammer from Stane.

[Alientraveller]

Well Rockwell was great as Hammer so I'm not complaining.

Considering Thor has introduced aliens and magic to the MCU, will we see the Mandarin wielding ten alien rings?

[kedrell]

I liked what we got with Rockwell also. Sure, the purist in me would have rather had an even more faithful interpretation from the comics but I can put that purist in it's place usually and enjoy what we got. And I see no reason why alien(or just suggested/implied alien) tech can't work.

[Fudgie]

Rockwell was more comedy than menace. But then so was Whiplash

[TheVileOne]

Black has been a comic book guy for a long time. Though I'm not sure how big on Iron Man he is, has been.

Anyway if the production is anything like the first two movies, Downey will re-write stuff or make stuff up on the fly. Which is something I think they could've toned down from the second movie.

My only problem with Black is he likes to really get cute with dialogue sometimes and likes to do very cute things with dialogue sets up this really over the top dialogue.

Case in point, RDJ meets a woman in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang who says her name is FLICKA, *WINK WINK*. All but telegraphing not but like five minutes later, Michelle Monaghan referencing this person, "FLICKA, MY FRIEND FLICKA." Now here is the thing. I thought it was funny, but at the same time if this makes any sense I wanted to smack somebody for having heard that. It's like both clever and ridiculous at the same time. Like I was both amused by working a reference and line relating to MY FRIEND FLICKA in the movie but also appalled.

[kedrell]

^That's an example of something that may work great on a 1st viewing but that's really the only time it's good for. Happens all the time in movies(be it dialogue or a bit of action like a gesture or some such thing) and it tends to drive me bananas.

[Fudgie]

I agree its super annoying.

[kedrell]

Movies that rely on twists too much are like that. Good for a first viewing but that's the only time you're gonna be like "Damn, I didn't see that coming!".

[TheVileOne]

But again I think Black is a very talented writer. He sort of revolutionized the industry back in the 1980's. He knows his stuff. I really like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang even though its a little raw at times since I think it's Black's first ever directing effort but really good. It sort of I think helped get RDJ back on the right track and he was really likable in the movie.

Black has experience writing and producing big productions so I think he should be ready for this gig now. It will just be interesting because RDJ will be at the peak of his sort of popularity at the moment and to see how if at all it could change the relationship between the two since RDJ gets all this creative say and signing off on director choices. I imagine he gets to just make up a lot of his dialogue and story stuff as well.

[kedrell]

I think Black will do fine as well. With the exception of Unleashed, I never thought Leterrier was a very good over-all director(other than action sequences) and with COTT it was only more confirmed. But when he had Marvel Studios backing him up he managed to make his best film to date. I think a lot of credit has to go to the studio with how they support the directors making quality films. Black will benefit well here as did the others before him. There's a giant whopping heap of difference between how MS supports it's projects and how other studios like Sony or Fox do it.

[TheVileOne]

Leterrier was more or less servicing ED NORTON'S movie and then it got . . . well we all know.

I enjoy Unleashed and Transporter a lot, but I agree I think Leterrier was definitely in over his head with Hulk and Clash of The Titans. There was just nothing endearing or memorable about any of the characters in that movie. No charm or anything.

[kedrell]

Well my point is that more than ever, you can tell the difference that good or bad studio support can make. I mean the MCU films level of quality control is like night and day when compared with the outside studio's hit or miss efforts. Very noticable, to me at least.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Well, after seeing Thor, I can easily say, that Mandarin's rings & his magic aspect won't be a problem in Iron Man 3. The rings don't even need to be technologically-based or something. Mandarin doesn't need to wear an armored suit to fight with Iron Man.

It also would've been great, if the rings were somehow connected to Odin's Vault, rather than some alien dragon ship & stuff. That's my wishful thinking of course)

[Quasimod0]

^ that would be awesome and could definately work. Itd be kinda cool to see the vault connecting all this stuff

[Iron_Stark]

They don't need to make Mandarin a magic based villain. His rings and main source of powers have always been tech based. Alien tech but still tech.

Now should there not be a problem about the rings being from another planet in light of Thor? No there shouldn't be.

[Adamantium Man]

I agree. And after Thor, Tony's threats should cease to be strictly earth-based, just to up the ante. Mandarin has been teased since the first movie, so it wouldn't make sense from a storytelling perspective not to use him now.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Rhodey (War Machine) is officially on Twitter :D = https://twitter.com/IamDonCheadle

[kedrell]

They don't need to make Mandarin a magic based villain. His rings and main source of powers have always been tech based. Alien tech but still tech.

Now should there not be a problem about the rings being from another planet in light of Thor? No there shouldn't be.


Call me a purist but I hope they're not even ' rings from another planet'. Weren't they originally just tech from a crashed alien space craft(specifically it's power source/hyperdrive/ect.) that Mandy figured out and then incorporated into rings? If it turns out in the film that he just found alien rings then I'll be a little bummed. Showing that the Mandarin figured out advanced alien technology and was able to adapt it to his own uses(i.e. not what they were originally designed for) shows his scientific genius and that's always been an important part of his character.

[Iron_Stark]

Correct, the rings really weren't rings per say, they were the power source of the crashed spaceship, coincidentally there happened to be ten of them and shaped like rings when taken from that power rod and Mandy figured out how to use them as weapons.

[kedrell]

Having them be in ring form already might come off as too contrived for the film though. Why not just let them be incorporated into rings(something pretty much only a human who has fingers would think of) via Mandy's own imagination and genius? Hey, it works for me.

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah, that would work. Having him find ten power 'rings' that happen to fit his fingers perfectly just wouldn't fly nowadays like it did back when Stan Lee came up with the idea in '65.

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, that would work. Having him find ten power 'rings' that happen to fit his fingers perfectly just wouldn't fly nowadays like it did back when Stan Lee came up with the idea in '65.

I wouldn't mind Mandarin finding 10 rings but that 3 of them don't fit, and that he needs to take them to a jeweller to get them adjusted. :woot:

[TheVileOne]

If Mandarin is in it should he be Asian or Arab?

I think he should still be Chinese because I mean . . . look at China right now. It's pretty interesting where China is emerging as like a world superpower right now.

[page]

That is true. But the middle east is also having all those revolutions and such right now, though.

[chamber-music]

If Mandarin is in it should he be Asian or Arab?

I think he should still be Chinese because I mean . . . look at China right now. It's pretty interesting where China is emerging as like a world superpower right now.
Mandarin in the comics is half Chinese and half British.

His father was one of the wealthiest men in pre-revolutionary China and his mother was a British aristocrat.

[Dark Raven]

That is true. But the middle east is also having all those revolutions and such right now, though.

There's no reason to call him the Mandarin if he's an arab. Mandarin hints at his Chinese heritage.

It would be like having a Chinese villain called the Imam. Or a blond norse god of thunder named Iron Man.

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah, Mandarin needs to be Chinese.

[Dark Raven]

Unless we start having a Russian using the code name "Captain America".

[Sabaoth]

Well, after seeing Thor, I can easily say, that Mandarin's rings & his magic aspect won't be a problem in Iron Man 3. The rings don't even need to be technologically-based or something. Mandarin doesn't need to wear an armored suit to fight with Iron Man.

It also would've been great, if the rings were somehow connected to Odin's Vault, rather than some alien dragon ship & stuff. That's my wishful thinking of course)

Yes, Thor's success has opened the door for the Mandarin....awesome!

[TheVileOne]

Yeah but Mandarin's roots are in China. My point is this. Having the Mandarin remain Chinese sort of lets you explore or at least as much as you can in a comic book superhero movie of China's emerging dominance and place in the world.

Maybe the Mandarin is a part of it. Maybe the Mandarin doesn't like what China has become and feel it is a perversion of what it used to be. I dunno, I just think there are a lot of interesting things you can address there.

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I saw the first film, liked it, but never got around to seeing the second film. I heard it wasn't as good, but I'm hoping this one can pull me in like the first one did.

[kedrell]

IM2 was also good.

[Adamantium Man]

I like them both equally. The first was a wonderful origin story. IM2 had more going on than the first. To me, it depicted Tony Stark as the guy with the plan, especially when it looks like he's lost the plot completely.

[Fudgie]

IM2 is really weak compared to the first flick.

[Adamantium Man]

I don't think so. It didn't live up to the hype, true, but there was no way it could have. It was more layered and a little darker than the first, and it wasn't as surprising and new, but again, it couldn't have been.

The fact that people can't seem to agree on why it's not so good as the first from what I've heard is a good indication that there was nothing intrinsically wrong with it. Some say there was not enough action. Some say there was too much. Some say there were too many plot lines, some say it was too simplistic. Some say Vanko wasn't in it enough, some say he was in it too much, and so on and so on.

I thought it was a great middle step stone in Tony's character arc towards becoming a true hero. He faced a crisis brought about by being what he had become, by being Iron Man, and took every step towards ensuring that Iron Man's legacy could live on, including passing the suit on to Rhodey (complete with its own ARC reactor - why else would it have been in there?). Then he found out that it wasn't really the end of the road and rose to the challenge, learning to rely on help where he was, before, perfectly willing to face death alone. It's a great arc, and one that I felt wasn't weaker in any way than the origin story.

I'm hoping that the third one will show him facing another great adversary while his personal character arc will show him taking his place among the other heroes, without giving up his basic Tony Stark-ness, to complete the arc that was begun in the first.

[kedrell]

With regards to the extra arc reactor, when you see the hall of armor..ALL of them have their own arc reactors. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why based on what happened in the first movie. Tony doesn't like to repeat a mistake and Stane catching him with his pants down(metaphorically speaking) was not something he was going to go through again. If it hadn't been for Pepper's sentimental nature in the first film, he be dead.

[Adamantium Man]

True, but the fact remains that Rhodey was just able to walk in there and suit up. Fury even pointed that out in the diner scene, and Widow confirmed that, normally, there'd be redundancies in place to prevent an unauthorized usage of the suits. Ergo, Rhodey was authorized. Looks like a preconceived plan by Tony to me.

[kedrell]

We he did in the 1st film try twice to get Rhodey involved. If you've read the novelization of IM1 PAD explains it more there where Tony initially concludes that Rhodey is more the ideal test pilot for the Iron Man armor since he is in fact a pilot and has done test pilot duties in the past. But later Tony's uncertainty and a bit of paranoia on who to trust gets him to test it himself.

[Adamantium Man]

Yeah, I read that, and I always liked it. Still doesn't explain why Rhodey could just suit up in IM2 if it seems he never did before (unless you want to speculate that Tony gave him flying lessons).

The way I read it, Tony prepared the Mark II for Rhodey to take and then provoked him during his birthday party into suiting up. And when they had finished wrecking Tony's home, he just watched Rhodey fly away, mission accomplished, and ready to die. Very poignant.

Of course, that's just my interpretation, but it's one of the things that makes this movie great - you can read a many different things into it if you like.

[kedrell]

Well I never read the novelization of the second film so I didn't know he prepared the mark 2 for Rhodey. But just watching the film it was easy enough to surmise that it probably wasn't Rhodey's first time in one of the suits. I mean he has the pass code to the lab and everything. Easy enough to guess what happened in between films, if you ask me.

[Son of Coul]

Yeah, I read that, and I always liked it. Still doesn't explain why Rhodey could just suit up in IM2 if it seems he never did before (unless you want to speculate that Tony gave him flying lessons).

The way I read it, Tony prepared the Mark II for Rhodey to take and then provoked him during his birthday party into suiting up. And when they had finished wrecking Tony's home, he just watched Rhodey fly away, mission accomplished, and ready to die. Very poignant.

Of course, that's just my interpretation, but it's one of the things that makes this movie great - you can read a many different things into it if you like.

Yeah Rhodey's suiting up in IM2 had some complaints but it's actually the most interpretable one, whether intentionally or not by the makers, and it makes it sorta fun to speculate. I kinda like this theory that he teed him up for it. And I always really like how they subtly implied throughout the movies that he wanted Rhodey to be Iron Man in his place initially.

[DarkSovereignty]

yeah i think thats why he went to visit rhodey in the hangar in the first movie, the scene where tony says "what about a pilot without the plane?"

[Adamantium Man]

^I think so, too. Then Rhodey brushed him off, and Tony was all well in that case, I'll do it myself.

[Keyser Soze]

I had an idea for possible Mandarin casting, a bit out of left-field and not the most obvious choice visually. What about Korean actor Choi Min-Sik, star of OldBoy and I Saw the Devil? Does anyone know if he can speak English? He's an incredible actor, someone who could definitely follow the heavywight likes of Jeff Bridges and Mickey Rourke in terms of gravitas and providing a match for Robert Downey Jr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wha0brbb_44

[Dark Raven]

I had an idea for possible Mandarin casting, a bit out of left-field and not the most obvious choice visually. What about Korean actor Choi Min-Sik, star of OldBoy and I Saw the Devil? Does anyone know if he can speak English? He's an incredible actor, someone who could definitely follow the heavywight likes of Jeff Bridges and Mickey Rourke in terms of gravitas and providing a match for Robert Downey Jr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wha0brbb_44

I don't see the big appeal from that clip, and his fighting doesn't look all that great. He just seemed average. I'd have to see a proper clip of him acting.

[Excelsior.]

I don't see the big appeal from that clip, and his fighting doesn't look all that great. He just seemed average. I'd have to see a proper clip of him acting.
The single take doesn't impress you?

[kedrell]

Hmmm, didn't impress me all that much. What did they even have those clubs for if they were barely gonna use them? I suppose there is some quality to it that I do find impressive(hard to put my finger on though) but there's just as much about it that doesn't work to me. They kinda cancel each other out and leave me with a 'meh' feeling. But regarding his performance, well all I can say is he sure tuckered himself out giving it his all. A for effort. But the results are really what count and it's just not a good clip to really gauge his acting ability.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, I didn't really post that clip as a gauge of his acting ability. I mainly just posted it because it's awesome and I'll take any excuse to post it.

[SuperSAINT]

Pepper's on twitter...

http://twitter.com/#!/GwynethPaltrow

[Dark Raven]

Pepper's on twitter...

http://twitter.com/#!/GwynethPaltrow

Well not really Pepper but Gwyneth probably talking about Coldplay, other movies and probably anything else other than Pepper.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Any chances that we will see Iron Maiden in that movie? Since they spiced up Pepper (no pun intented, believe it or not), they colud go that route in Nr. 3

[Son of Coul]

I'd really, really prefer that not be the case but I suppose it's not completely out of the question.

[sgaana]

Jon Favreau and RDJ talk about IM3 and The Avengers at the Hero Complex Film Festival on 6/12:

http://www.slashfilm.com/robert-downey-jr-jon-favreau-talk-iron-man-3-difficulties-the-avengers/

RIM posted some quotes from this in a thread in the Avengers forum. This seems to quote a lot more of what both said.

(via io9)

[Son of Coul]

Something that caught my attention when watching video of it on YouTube:
We didn't want to have Tony drinking in the movie, --we were told,
Aaaw ****, Marvel. I like IM2 but I still really think you ****ed that one up.

[Vartha]

Yeah I don't see why they can't show that even a hero has to deal with life and makes mistakes along the way.

[Son of Coul]

I guess since Iron Man became a giant hit with kids they didn't want kids seeing it thinking Tony Stark acting all goofy and irresponsible is ok? I dunno, it's kind of a stupid compromise to make for family friendliness on the character's part when the first had Stark being a womanizing war profiteer. As long as they show he's wrong in his actions I don't see what the problem woulda been.

Sort of like how they didn't want Banner's suicide attempt at the beginning of TIH, while in the footage he just points the gun to the ground, making it a bit more subtle. They thought it was "too dark" but on YouTube I even saw (likely) teenage users making comments like, "I don't get it, what's he shooting at?" I obviously absolutely love Marvel Studios but they can't be too scared of stuff like that.

[sgaana]

I guess since Iron Man became a giant hit with kids they didn't want kids seeing it thinking Tony Stark acting all goofy and irresponsible is ok?

That quote seems confusing, though. Because... okay, fine, I know they weren't really doing Demon in a Bottle, but, were we somehow NOT supposed to interpret Tony's behavior at the birthday party as him being extremely drunk? (And then the next day at the Donut shop he's doing the classic hangover routine.)

It seems like it would be hard to get more "irresponsible and goofy due to drinking" than the whole birthday party sequence. Although, Rhodey's actions and the whole fight seem calculated to make it clear that it wasn't meant to be seen as "ok".

[Son of Coul]

Favreau actually mentioned right after that kids could interpret the party scene as him acting silly because he was dying, but even then they showed he was wrong so I don't see how drinking throughout would've been a problem.

[kedrell]

Stuff like this.....bugs me. I think a little more cajones are in order. Marvel superheroes are not Harry Potter/kids stuff. They're supposed to have things like this in them. I hope they let loose some more once they are firmly established after Avengers. I can tolerate hedging their bets and what not but at some point they need to go for broke with all this.

[Son of Coul]

Indeed, let's hope they loosen the screws a little more. They shouldn't forget that one of the many reasons people were all over IM1 was because it was mature and dealt with more mature themes.