Captain America is getting a sequel.......Already

[Parker Wayne]

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-captain-america-gets-a-sequel-f-k-yeah-12568

So I will come out and say it, the "Captain America: The First Avenger" (http://www.latinoreview.com/film-previews/captain-america-the-first-avenger-1334) Super Bowl spot rocked my world!

As a matter of fact I bet it rocked Marvel's world too because guess what?

Stephen McFeely & Christopher Markus, the screenwriters who penned "CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER" (http://www.latinoreview.com/film-previews/captain-america-the-first-avenger-1334) just got hired to write the sequel for Marvel Studios!

Obviously the sequel is going to be present day and take place after THE AVENGERS.

Does this mean that we get to see Bucky as THE WINTER SOLDIER?

Does this also mean we get a Captain America sequel in 2013?

Who knows. I don't have any more details at the moment except that the writers got hired so stay tuned for an official announcment.

Until my next comic book scoop later tonight...

First Green Lantern and now Captain America getting sequels before the movie is released? Nice.

And by the way Captain America is the only Marvel film to officially get a Post-Avengers sequel so far.

[Spidey_62]

Nice. But I don't know if it will be 2013, since IM3 is out that year. But this year we have Thor and Cap coming out, so who knows?

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, 2014 is a better idea for both Captain America 2 and Iron Man 3, since the latter doesn't have a writer or director (still hoping Marvel signs Shane Black for IM3).

I like that they're preparing for a sequel early though. There's no problem with that. I love the faith Marvel has in Captain America, and it's especially more telling that Thor doesn't have a sequel yet.

[Blader5489]

And by the way Captain America is the only Marvel film to officially get a Post-Avengers sequel so far.

Iron Man 3

And no way does this get released in 2013. Marvel already has Iron Man 3 and likely Runaways for that year (maybe Ant-Man too, depending on when production on that ramps up). Plus, they're not going to have Evans film Cap, Avengers, and Cap 2 back-to-back over three years. 2014 for this is more likely.

[bubbadoom]

Cap already has a sequel announced - the Avengers!

Why is the sequel "obviously" set in the present? Surly all that can be said about Cap in WWII will not be said in this one movie. If Marvel works this right they will leave the door open for sequels in both WWII and today.

[Crockett]

It's nice to see that Marvel Studio has faith in Captain America. As mentioned a 2014 release date is more likely although I would like them to take their time and not rush the production for the sequel, I don't want it to end up being another Iron Man 2.

[Parker Wayne]

Iron Man 3

And no way does this get released in 2013. Marvel already has Iron Man 3 and likely Runaways for that year (maybe Ant-Man too, depending on when production on that ramps up). Plus, they're not going to have Evans film Cap, Avengers, and Cap 2 back-to-back over three years. 2014 for this is more likely.

My mistake: Iron Man 3 is official. It just doesn't have a screenwriter/director yet. They better do Mandarin dammit! :cmad:

Plus 2014 is definitely the release date. And don't forget about Black Panther.

[RachelDawes]

Cap already has a sequel announced - the Avengers!

Why is the sequel "obviously" set in the present? Surly all that can be said about Cap in WWII will not be said in this one movie. If Marvel works this right they will leave the door open for sequels in both WWII and today.

My thoughts exactly. I hope Marvel changes its mind with this present day setting business.

[Blader5489]

Why is the sequel "obviously" set in the present?

How do you think Cap is going to be in The Avengers?

[Stringer]

Not surprising. I'm sure Marvel wants to get all 6 films with Chris Evans.

[kaijunexus]

So now we have...

Iron Man 3
Captain America 2
Black Panther
Ant Man
War Machine
Nick Fury (?)
Avengers 2 (?)

...am i missing any?

Quite a lineup already for the many years post-Avengers, and i have little doubt we'll be seeing many more film announcements coming down the road.

[I am Batman]

Why is the sequel "obviously" set in the present? Surly all that can be said about Cap in WWII will not be said in this one movie. If Marvel works this right they will leave the door open for sequels in both WWII and today.

This has been a dream of mine for the longest time.

[bubbadoom]

How do I think Cap will be in the Avengers?
By have the prologue sequence in the Avengers being set at the end of WWII and him riding the rocket and dropping into the ocean, etc.
After the opening credits Nick Fury and co. find him and thaw him out...just like in Avengers #4 [more of less...].

[Chewy]

and it's especially more telling that Thor doesn't have a sequel yet.
Why would you assume that? Just because noone at LatinoReview reported it doesn't mean noone is working on a script for a Thor sequel

[DACrowe]

The first will have to do well at the box office first. If it is a hit, they'll probably greenlight it IM2 style for a 2013 release. If it doesn't, they'll have the script on standby and say "we'll see" while they quietly scrap the project a la TIH2. Don't get too excited just yet.

[Parker Wayne]

Why would you assume that? Just because noone at LatinoReview reported it doesn't mean noone is working on a script for a Thor sequel

Calm down down man. They may be. It wasn't announced yet or anything but I was just point out.

[WildcatNC]

This isn't a big deal. We all know there will be sequels to all the movies, they have already said so. They are just getting started on the scripts early.


Feige has stated that the plan for Marvel was to build up to where they are releasing 4 movies a year. I think we might be surprised how many are on the slate soon.

[Timstuff]

People love superhero movies, but it's going to get to the point where people will get tired of keeping up with them if they put out too many. I'd say that between Marvel and DC, there's probably just enough room for 4 superhero movies in a year. How much audience can Marvel actually count on? This isn't like an issue of a comic where you only need a few hundred thousand readers to bring in a profit. These movie franchises are huge investments, and if one of them loses money, if could affect Marvel's other franchises as well. If your studio releases 4 superhero movies a year, it's inevitable that some of them will flop, especially when competition from other films is taken into account.

As much as I admire what Marvel has managed to accomplish, Fiege has a lot to learn about the movie biz if Marvel is going to have a lasting presence in movies, because right now he seems to think he can run it the same way Marvel runs its comcis (which doesn't even work very well for comics much of the time). Whether it's treating the talent and creativity like they're all disposable cogs or overestimating how tolerant audiences are of cross-polination between franchises outside of crossover movies, they seem to be slow learner. I hope that changes because it would be a terrible shame if they came this far only to screw it all up.

Having said that, I am glad to hear that Marvel has enough faith in Cap that they're already prepared to start on a sequel, pending the first film's success. I just hope that we don't end up with an Iron Man 2 mess where the film gets bogged down in establishing its ties with the other Marvel franchises.

[Chewy]

Calm down down man. They may be. It wasn't announced yet or anything but I was just point out.
I'm completely calm. This wasn't announced either, El Mayimbe got a scoop.

I guarantee you a Thor sequel script is being worked on as well.

[WildcatNC]

I'm completely calm. This wasn't announced either, El Mayimbe got a scoop.

I guarantee you a Thor sequel script is being worked on as well.



It is. I thought all this was a given. The only news is WHO is doing the scripts.


Sequels are happening for ALL major properties whether we have news of script writers or not.

Marvel already has films slated up into 2018 if I remember correctly.

[Parker Wayne]

As much as I admire what Marvel has managed to accomplish, Fiege has a lot to learn about the movie biz if Marvel is going to have a lasting presence in movies, because right now he seems to think he can run it the same way Marvel runs its comcis (which doesn't even work very well for comics much of the time). Whether it's treating the talent and creativity like they're all disposable cogs or overestimating how tolerant audiences are of cross-polination between franchises outside of crossover movies, they seem to be slow learner. I hope that changes because it would be a terrible shame if they came this far only to screw it all up.


I agree that Feige somewhat thinks he can run a movie business like it's a business, but let's be honest, most audiences are not caring about cross-over of characters. They were not aware of it in Iron Man 2 and I think it's a little to early to say that after one film of alleged "Avengers commercial (a sentiment I not only do not share but feels like it undermines the movie)" that there will be much cross over business in these films. Shield has a presence but I doubt it will interfere with the story. People forget that Shield was worked in nicely in the film. I think the writing was the bigger problem with Iron Man 2 than anything else.

[Parker Wayne]

I'm completely calm. This wasn't announced either, El Mayimbe got a scoop.

I guarantee you a Thor sequel script is being worked on as well.

Likely. I'm just wondering why no news on Thor. It's a scoop, but there could easily be a scoop for both.

[Chewy]

Because whatever agent El Mayimbe got the info from knew who the writers for the Cap 2 script are, but not the writers for the Thor 2 script?

[Parker Wayne]

Good point :up:

[Visceral]

flash and wonder woman

[Silvermoth]

Hmm, still not convinced about those scriptwriters but there's plenty of time to prove me wrong when I see the movie :yay:

[BigThor]

I agree that Feige somewhat thinks he can run a movie business like it's a business, but let's be honest, most audiences are not caring about cross-over of characters. They were not aware of it in Iron Man 2 and I think it's a little to early to say that after one film of alleged "Avengers commercial (a sentiment I not only do not share but feels like it undermines the movie)" that there will be much cross over business in these films. Shield has a presence but I doubt it will interfere with the story. People forget that Shield was worked in nicely in the film. I think the writing was the bigger problem with Iron Man 2 than anything else.

Yeah, I also think Kevin Feige is going a little overboard with the whole "4 movies a year" thing myself. The superhero genre is already a croweded area in films, I don't think it's a good idea to force so many new superheroes onto the general audience that quickly.

I re-watched Iron Man 1 & 2 last night and I didn't get the whole "Avengers commercial" vibe from Iron Man 2. I just think the writing wasn't a good as Iron Man 1, because IM2 it definately kept the story centered around Tony Stark.

[Timstuff]

The biggest problem I think a lot of people had with Iron Man 2 is that it lacked the soul of the first movie. Comparitavely, it was not nearly as dark. Considering that the plot was largely about Tony Stark dying from poisoning, it just plain didn't have the drama to make it feel real. The redemptive message of the first film was never really matched in the second movie. I would have loved to see a movie where Tony Stark has turned to the bottle to cope with his anxiety about possibly dying, and by that I don't mean getting drunk at a party and making himself look silly. I mean he's hitting the hard liquor just to get through his day, and not realizing how much he's hurting the people around him.

Someone made a great suggestion over at the IM board that instead of Rhodey showing up and roughhousing with Tony on his birthday, Whiplash should have crashed Tony's party and kicked his ass, and almost get some of Tony's guests killed in the process. The message would not have come across as "Tony was having fun and being a little clumsy, but then Rhodey showed up and was a party pooper." It would have come across as what was probably intended, which was "Tony is using his possible as an excuse for a self destructive lifestyle, and wasting his life away on booze is going to get people hurt or possibly killed, including himself."

Tony was supposed to get knocked down a couple pegs in Iron Man 2, but he never got anywhere near as low as he was in the first movie when he was at his lowest, and as a result, we never really got the sense that he'd been "redeemed" at any point in the movie, nor did we really get the sense that he needed to be redeemed. Iron Man took us on an emotional rollercoaster ride of highs and lows, but Iron Man 2 just kind of happened. That doesn't mean it was bad, but it was kind of your run-of-the-mill "competent, but forgettable sequel." I hope that Marvel doesn't make the same mistakes with the sequels they make to their movies in the future.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool news! It Probably won't be released until 2014 though.

[BigThor]

The biggest problem I think a lot of people had with Iron Man 2 is that it lacked the soul of the first movie. Comparitavely, it was not nearly as dark. Considering that the plot was largely about Tony Stark dying from poisoning, it just plain didn't have the drama to make it feel real. The redemptive message of the first film was never really matched in the second movie. I would have loved to see a movie where Tony Stark has turned to the bottle to cope with his anxiety about possibly dying, and by that I don't mean getting drunk at a party and making himself look silly. I mean he's hitting the hard liquor just to get through his day, and not realizing how much he's hurting the people around him.

Someone made a great suggestion over at the IM board that instead of Rhodey showing up and roughhousing with Tony on his birthday, Whiplash should have crashed Tony's party and kicked his ass, and almost get some of Tony's guests killed in the process. The message would not have come across as "Tony was having fun and being a little clumsy, but then Rhodey showed up and was a party pooper." It would have come across as what was probably intended, which was "Tony is using his possible as an excuse for a self destructive lifestyle, and wasting his life away on booze is going to get people hurt or possibly killed, including himself."

Tony was supposed to get knocked down a couple pegs in Iron Man 2, but he never got anywhere near as low as he was in the first movie when he was at his lowest, and as a result, we never really got the sense that he'd been "redeemed" at any point in the movie, nor did we really get the sense that he needed to be redeemed. Iron Man took us on an emotional rollercoaster ride of highs and lows, but Iron Man 2 just kind of happened. That doesn't mean it was bad, but it was kind of your run-of-the-mill "competent, but forgettable sequel." I hope that Marvel doesn't make the same mistakes with the sequels they make to their movies in the future.

Yep very true, I think you've hit the nail right on the head :woot:. Iron Man 2 was a good film and it dug fairly deep just not as "deep" as the first one, because it could've been a Spider-Man 2 type sequel (as in blowing the first film away).

[Spider-Fan]

This shows a lot of confidence in their product they have, so I am very encouraged by this news :up:

There is plenty of time to get Cap 2 made, especially if it is being scripted now. I'd be happy with a 2013 of Captain America 2 and Iron Man 3 :cap: :im:

[The Infernal]

I'm not sure about that line about the sequel being set in modern times after the Avengers. It reads as though it's the conclusion of the person writing the article. Unless this film effectively shows us that what happens in the film is essentially all he did in WWII then there should still be potential for WWII era stories. Not that I'm saying they should feel forced to, but it wouldn't hurt if they at least had some of the next film set as flashbacks to WWII.

[WildcatNC]

I'm not sure about that line about the sequel being set in modern times after the Avengers. It reads as though it's the conclusion of the person writing the article. Unless this film effectively shows us that what happens in the film is essentially all he did in WWII then there should still be potential for WWII era stories. Not that I'm saying they should feel forced to, but it wouldn't hurt if they at least had some of the next film set as flashbacks to WWII.



There certainly ARE plenty of stories from WWII to tel but this is the only whole movie they will make about it IMO. You may see flashbacks or dream sequences in sequels though. They are making this movie to get him to the present day. They are not going back after that, and even though I would enjoy any number of Cap period movies, they probably should just leave him in the present.

[WildcatNC]

This shows a lot of confidence in their product they have, so I am very encouraged by this news :up:

There is plenty of time to get Cap 2 made, especially if it is being scripted now. I'd be happy with a 2013 of Captain America 2 and Iron Man 3 :cap: :im:


Doesn't show confidence really. They already have all these movies slated up through 2018 or so. They have stated that they have long term plans in place whether we know the details or not.

[Hurm...]

Doesn't show confidence really. They already have all these movies slated up through 2018 or so. They have stated that they have long term plans in place whether we know the details or not.
True. But I'm sure The Incredible Hulk had long term plans as well, but that went nowhere. Good to know the sequel is already somewhat in the works.

[Spider-Vader]

Why hasn't Thor 2 been greenlit yet? Does Marvel think Thor won't do too hot?

[WildcatNC]

True. But I'm sure The Incredible Hulk had long term plans as well, but that went nowhere. Good to know the sequel is already somewhat in the works.


That has nothing to do with the subject though. All I said was that it doesn't show confidence to hire script-writers. Studios do that all the time as part of their long term plans. TIH isn't relevant to what was said. I'm sure they had a rough script for TIH II but didn't greenlight it. Last time they were asked they said they are still planning on making one, Avengers was just going to eat up their efforts for a few years.

They might not do it if it tanks, but that has nothing to do with "confidence". Thats result related.

All i'm saying is there is no tea leaves to be read in this. I think many are looking into it to much. They are working on all of this stuff and have openly said there will be sequels. Just because something gets leaked to us doesn't mean nothing else is going on.


*added*

I'm not really sure TIH or IM had ANY long term plans when they were made honestly. They were testing the waters to see if their whole "shared universe" concept could work. It wasn't until AFTER the success of IM that they really laid out their whole long term plans and they have been more concerned with getting the Avengers made. All efforts are leading up to that. They know it can work now, when they weren't sure then.

[WildcatNC]

Why hasn't Thor 2 been greenlit yet? Does Marvel think Thor won't do too hot?


Who knows, but I'm not sure why anyone would think that based off some leaked unrelated info. Theres no "greenlight". Just hiring scriptwriters.

[BigThor]

Who knows, but I'm not sure why anyone would think that based off some leaked unrelated info. Theres no "greenlight". Just hiring scriptwriters.

This

[the amazing fro]

Why hasn't Thor 2 been greenlit yet? Does Marvel think Thor won't do too hot?

It's certainly the riskiest movie that marvel has done. Its a fantasy and fantasies that are not LOTR or harry potter rarely do well.

[bubbadoom]

Wildcat - who says they are making this Cap movie to get him to the present day?

It's possible it's to introduce the character and establish why he is the living legend of WWII.

The Avengers could [and SHOULD] be the vehicle that gets him into modern times, just like Marvel did it in 1964.

[Parker Wayne]

Not to be mean or anything, but they did have actors signed for a TIH sequel too. And TIH had a sequel hook to it. I hope the same fate doesn't happen to Thor if it underperforms.

Well at least Hulk is getting a tv show.

[Mace Bloodstone]

What year is The Avengers movie suppose to come out?

[BigThor]

what year is the avengers movie suppose to come out?

2012

[WildcatNC]

Wildcat - who says they are making this Cap movie to get him to the present day?

It's possible it's to introduce the character and establish why he is the living legend of WWII.

The Avengers could [and SHOULD] be the vehicle that gets him into modern times, just like Marvel did it in 1964.



From what we've heard from leaks it begins and ends in the modern day. They aren't going to drag his origin out for more than one movie IMO. From what I read it wasn't even the original idea to do a period piece, they had to be sold on it.

Marvel has pretty much said that each new movie will further the meta-plot a little and tie into each other. I doubt they would deviate from that to go back and tell a stand alone (ie. The Wolverine) or make another origin film.

I obviously don't KNOW this and i'm not pretending to. I'm fairly confident this is the case though. If the movie begins with him in ice and ends in the present time its hard to imagine they will find him in Avengers.

They may thaw him out at the end of Cap and then show him acclimating and use that as his personal arc (which is a natural assumption either way).

[Chewy]

Not to be mean or anything, but they did have actors signed for a TIH sequel too. And TIH had a sequel hook to it. I hope the same fate doesn't happen to Thor if it underperforms.

Well at least Hulk is getting a tv show.
Not to be mean or anything, but the exact same thing will happen to Cap or GL if the movies underperform. Hiring screenwriters doesn't mean anything in terms of a sequel actually getting made this early on.

[WildcatNC]

Not to be mean or anything, but they did have actors signed for a TIH sequel too. And TIH had a sequel hook to it. I hope the same fate doesn't happen to Thor if it underperforms.

Well at least Hulk is getting a tv show.



Its not mean at all. We are talking about 2 different things. Thats what I was trying to say.

The original suggestion was that hiring the script writers was a sign of their "confidence" in the Cap movie. I think its irrelevant because they ALWAYS have scripts ready and actors on the hook for the sequels. It doesn't mean anything. It also doesn't mean anythings been "greenlit" any more than any other sequel. Its just one that happened to get leaked. It wasn't an "announcement" or anything, just an inside leak.

I just think some are looking WAY to much into it is all i'm really saying. Its not a barometer for anything.

I honestly think TIH would have had a sequel except for 2 things:

1) Norton and Marvel not seeing eye to eye, which we all know. We just don't know exactly about what. It was easier just to go with Iron Man II until they got it worked out (which they just did with Ruffalo recently). I think they were TRYING to work it out with Norton but just couldn't.

2) They were more worried about Avengers and getting the other setup movies done to get it off the ground. They were operating at Max capacity at the time getting the others done. Feige said they were only capable of doing about 2 movies a year at the time, but they wanted to build up to do 4.


I think its an organic situation and not as simple as some are thinking. Not that black and white IMO. Last time I heard them speak of it they are STILL planning a sequel for Hulk AND the TV show (which they made the comment that the TV show WOULD NOT be tied into the movie-verse). Its just not a high priority until they build up to a bigger production schedule capability.

[Parker Wayne]

Its not mean at all. We are talking about 2 different things. Thats what I was trying to say.

The original suggestion was that hiring the script writers was a sign of their "confidence" in the Cap movie. I think its irrelevant because they ALWAYS have scripts ready and actors on the hook for the sequels. It doesn't mean anything. It also doesn't mean anythings been "greenlit" any more than any other sequel. Its just one that happened to get leaked. It wasn't an "announcement" or anything, just an inside leak.

I just think some are looking WAY to much into it is all i'm really saying. Its not a barometer for anything.

I honestly think TIH would have had a sequel except for 2 things:

1) Norton and Marvel not seeing eye to eye, which we all know. We just don't know exactly about what. It was easier just to go with Iron Man II until they got it worked out (which they just did with Ruffalo recently). I think they were TRYING to work it out with Norton but just couldn't.

2) They were more worried about Avengers and getting the other setup movies done to get it off the ground. They were operating at Max capacity at the time getting the others done. Feige said they were only capable of doing about 2 movies a year at the time, but they wanted to build up to do 4.


I think its an organic situation and not as simple as some are thinking. Not that black and white IMO. Last time I heard them speak of it they are STILL planning a sequel for Hulk AND the TV show (which they made the comment that the TV show WOULD NOT be tied into the movie-verse). Its just not a high priority until they build up to a bigger production schedule capability.

I wouldn't say that. I'll point to both the Spider-man and Batman movies as an example. They started scripting their films way after release. In fact, I believe that Nolan only got started scripting TDKR around early last year. They somewhat have a vision for the film, but there isn't a clear plan, especially considering that Sony kept switching around Raimi's ideas for Spider-man movies.

[Parker Wayne]

Not to be mean or anything, but the exact same thing will happen to Cap or GL if the movies underperform. Hiring screenwriters doesn't mean anything in terms of a sequel actually getting made this early on.

It depends on the expectations though. I think Cap will get a sequel even if it slightly underperforms because Cap is a more marketable character than Hulk and is Marvel's flagship character. I think it would take a little more than slightly underperforming for Cap to not get a sequel.

You can bring up Superman but let's be honest, WB is not as much into making superhero films like Marvel/Disney is.

[bubbadoom]

having a sequel set in WWII would not be dragging out his origin, it would be expanding upon the legend...

even if they do book end the movie in the present, which is a huge mistake, they can still do sequels in the '40's as long as there is a logical break in the story.

I just do not want to see the same disaster made of this movie that Cannon made of their Cap in the '90's. You had his origin, he goes on one mission and basically fails, gets frozen, etc. Some living legend of WWII!

There have been quotes lately from both Feige and Joe J. saying it's all set in the past or wanting to do sequels in the past - so that gives me hope...

[WildcatNC]

I wouldn't say that. I'll point to both the Spider-man and Batman movies as an example. They started scripting their films way after release. In fact, I believe that Nolan only got started scripting TDKR around early last year. They somewhat have a vision for the film, but there isn't a clear plan, especially considering that Sony kept switching around Raimi's ideas for Spider-man movies.


Well, "always" might be to absolute but i'd say its true the vast majority of the time with these kind of movies.

And it doesn't really apply to TDK because Nolan was already on the hook and they knew he was going to do it. It was a given. There was no "hiring" needed. He had the leeway to do it on his schedule.

Its a whole different beast when you have the same creative team working through a trilogy or sequels. There is no "hiring" to be done, they are already on board and they know the script will come.

If noone is on tap ahead of time they hire them VERY early to get a draft in so they can have an idea of what they are looking at. Many times they have multiple ones written and then re-write them several times.

This shows Marvel liked the script for CATFA, but little else. Making the leap that this leaked, unrelated info is somehow an indictment of Thor and other movies is faulty logic IMO. No correlation there at all. It was leaked info and we have NO idea whats going on with the other movies.

[The Cocreator]

I think its an organic situation and not as simple as some are thinking. Not that black and white IMO. Last time I heard them speak of it they are STILL planning a sequel for Hulk AND the TV show (which they made the comment that the TV show WOULD NOT be tied into the movie-verse). Its just not a high priority until they build up to a bigger production schedule capability.
I didn't hear them saying it would be set in a different universe, where did you read that? They actually seem to be continuing the story on tv since they couldn't onn the cinema.

[WildcatNC]

having a sequel set in WWII would not be dragging out his origin, it would be expanding upon the legend...

even if they do book end the movie in the present, which is a huge mistake, they can still do sequels in the '40's as long as there is a logical break in the story.

I just do not want to see the same disaster made of this movie that Cannon made of their Cap in the '90's. You had his origin, he goes on one mission and basically fails, gets frozen, etc. Some living legend of WWII!

There have been quotes lately from both Feige and Joe J. saying it's all set in the past or wanting to do sequels in the past - so that gives me hope...

I've seen nothing about "sequels" in the past, just that the vast majority of CATFA takes place in the past.

I'm not disagreeing about what are good ideas or aren't. I'm just stating what I think THEY are thinking about the sequels and what they will do from what iv'e read.

Its just my opinion of what I think will happen. I'm not personally saying that it couldn't work.

[WildcatNC]

I didn't hear them saying it would be set in a different universe, where did you read that? They actually seem to be continuing the story on tv since they couldn't onn the cinema.


I read it from a link on here when the news first broke. I remember Del Torro saying that it is its own project, they are not bound by the movie-verse.

Things could change though honestly. Its still SUPER early. Who knows what we will actually end up with.


*Found it*

Here you go.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/708664/guillermo-del-toro-co-creating-new-hulk-tv-show.html

[Spider-Fan]

Well, "always" might be to absolute but i'd say its true the vast majority of the time with these kind of movies.

And it doesn't really apply to TDK because Nolan was already on the hook and they knew he was going to do it. It was a given. There was no "hiring" needed. He had the leeway to do it on his schedule.

Its a whole different beast when you have the same creative team working through a trilogy or sequels. There is no "hiring" to be done, they are already on board and they know the script will come.

If noone is on tap ahead of time they hire them VERY early to get a draft in so they can have an idea of what they are looking at. Many times they have multiple ones written and then re-write them several times.

This shows Marvel liked the script for CATFA, but little else. Making the leap that this leaked, unrelated info is somehow an indictment of Thor and other movies is faulty logic IMO. No correlation there at all. It was leaked info and we have NO idea whats going on with the other movies.

I think it also shows Marvel has faith Cap will make money more so than Thor, which is not surprising to me given Cap is more popular in name than Thor.

[Spider-Fan]

It depends on the expectations though. I think Cap will get a sequel even if it slightly underperforms because Cap is a more marketable character than Hulk and is Marvel's flagship character. I think it would take a little more than slightly underperforming for Cap to not get a sequel.

You can bring up Superman but let's be honest, WB is not as much into making superhero films like Marvel/Disney is.

I think Cap has a good position to have legs given it comes out at the end of the summer season. But, its opening will be hurt by Potter.

[BigThor]

It depends on the expectations though. I think Cap will get a sequel even if it slightly underperforms because Cap is a more marketable character than Hulk and is Marvel's flagship character. I think it would take a little more than slightly underperforming for Cap to not get a sequel.

You can bring up Superman but let's be honest, WB is not as much into making superhero films like Marvel/Disney is.

Sorry to say, but Marvel's overall flagship character is and probably will always be "Spider-Man" (I'm not even a Spider-Man fan). Oh and Marvel seems to push Hulk more than Cap as well (two films & two t.v. shows).

Marvel even seems to put Wolverine over Cap, no offense but he's the star of four films (he was the main character in all 3 X-Men films) and one tv show (Wolverine and the X-Men).

I don't mean to downplay Cap, but Marvel sure does.


I think it also shows Marvel has faith Cap will make money more so than Thor, which is not surprising to me given Cap is more popular in name than Thor.

(sigh) Once again this has NOTHING to do with Marvel's faith in anything, someone just found out working on Cap 2's writers because ALL of these movies are intended to have sequels.

Remember this isn't a Marvel Studios announce, it's just that some website found out about Cap 2's writers.

[BigThor]

Double post

[WildcatNC]

I think it also shows Marvel has faith Cap will make money more so than Thor, which is not surprising to me given Cap is more popular in name than Thor.

How could it be faith when you don't know anything about what else they have going on? Do you have some inside info that other writers haven't been hired for Thor? It doesn't show anything by itself other than they liked the script for CATFA. Any connection is a leap of logic or an assumption. It wasn't even an announcement, just an insider leak. It means nothing about the other projects at all. Just because someone picked up the info doesn't mean thats all thats going on.

I completely agree that CATFA is a probable bet to be more marketable and make more money. I'm sure Marvel knows this as well and have planned accordingly all along. There is no way to know the two are connected other than guessing and leaps of logic.

You may be right, but its just a guess or assumption. Thats all i'm saying. Without knowing everything thats going on or not going on it says nothing.

[Triad]

I agree that the general audience might be a little put off with 4 Marvel superhero movies a year (especially when you take into consideration that Fox and Sony will still be putting out their takes on the properties that they still own the rights to!) Although from a fan's point of view, that would be AMAZING! Imagine watching a Marvel movie in the theater and having it released on DVD and Blu-ray right about the same time that the next or following movie is released in the theaters! WOW! That would kickass! That's one of the worst things for me - waiting to own it after already waiting anxiously for months for it to come to the theaters!

[BigThor]

How could it be faith when you don't know anything about what else they have going on? Do you have some inside info that other writers haven't been hired for Thor? It doesn't show anything by itself other than they liked the script for CATFA. Any connection is a leap of logic or an assumption. It wasn't even an announcement, just an insider leak. It means nothing about the other projects at all. Just because someone picked up the info doesn't mean thats all thats going on.

I completely agree that CATFA is a probable bet to be more marketable and make more money. I'm sure Marvel knows this as well and have planned accordingly all along. There is no way to know the two are connected other than guessing and leaps of logic.

You may be right, but its just a guess or assumption. Thats all i'm saying. Without knowing everything thats going on or not going on it says nothing.

This

Yes, Captain America is indeed more popular and marketable than Marvel's Thor (that goes without saying). But let's not forget than many people recognize Thor from Norse mythology and he's actually more known than alot of the Greek gods (Thursday is named after him).

[BigThor]

I agree that the general audience might be a little put off with 4 Marvel superhero movies a year (especially when you take into consideration that Fox and Sony will still be putting out their takes on the properties that they still own the rights to!) Although from a fan's point of view, that would be AMAZING! Imagine watching a Marvel movie in the theater and having it released on DVD and Blu-ray right about the same time that the next or following movie is released in the theaters! WOW!

Yeah I feel the same way, I just don't want the genre to become "stale". It also sounds like they're sacrificing "quality" for "quantity" because four Marvel films a year is ALOT of work.

[Spider-Fan]

(sigh) Once again this has NOTHING to do with Marvel's faith in anything, someone just found out working on Cap 2's writers because ALL of these movies are intended to have sequels.

Remember this isn't a Marvel Studios announce, it's just that some website found out about Cap 2's writers.

I'm not saying Marvel has no faith in Thor. I am just saying Cap is more popular. If you look blankly at the two names, you would expect Cap to make more money, at least in the United States.

How could it be faith when you don't know anything about what else they have going on? Do you have some inside info that other writers haven't been hired for Thor? It doesn't show anything by itself other than they liked the script for CATFA. Any connection is a leap of logic or an assumption. It wasn't even an announcement, just an insider leak. It means nothing about the other projects at all. Just because someone picked up the info doesn't mean thats all thats going on.

I completely agree that CATFA is a probable bet to be more marketable and make more money. I'm sure Marvel knows this as well and have planned accordingly all along. There is no way to know the two are connected other than guessing and leaps of logic.

You may be right, but its just a guess or assumption. Thats all i'm saying. Without knowing everything thats going on or not going on it says nothing.

Once again, I am not saying Thor has no marketablility. I am just saying Cap has more of a brand name, so I am not surprised that it would seem things get moving on a Cap sequel more quickly than a Thor sequel. Especially considering they signed Evans to a 6 film contract.

This

Yes, Captain America is indeed more popular and marketable than Marvel's Thor (that goes without saying). But let's not forget than many people recognize Thor from Norse mythology and he's actually more known than alot of the Greek gods (Thursday is named after him).

I am not saying Thor is not popular. I am saying Cap is more popular. That's not a knock on Thor. Most superheroes are less known than Cap is.

[WildcatNC]

Once again, I am not saying Thor has no marketablility. I am just saying Cap has more of a brand name, so I am not surprised that it would seem things get moving on a Cap sequel more quickly than a Thor sequel. Especially considering they signed Evans to a 6 film contract.


I'm not disagreeing about any of that. I'm merely saying that you cant surmise that from the leaked info. Its a leap of logic.

That info is no evidence that Cap is moving any faster than anything else because you don't know about anything else. Without knowing what else is going on there is no evidence that Cap has been "greenlit" quicker or is moving any faster than anything else.

It may be, but its just an assumption. You cant surmise that from that "leak".

Thats all i'm saying. Doesn't mean it can't turn out to be true.

[WildcatNC]

Yeah I feel the same way, I just don't want the genre to become "stale". It also sounds like they're sacrificing "quality" for "quantity" because four Marvel films a year is ALOT of work.

Remember too that some of those "projects" will be off the path stuff like "Runaways" or "Cloak and Dagger" type stuff. Lesser properties.

It may not be that bad if thats the case.

We also have sequels for:

Cap
Thor
Hulk
Iron Man
Avengers
Shield

Even if you space them out every two years apiece thats a lot per year to get them done anytime soon.

If you do the math then 2 movies a year isn't possible to get all of that done before the actors are all to old.

[Blader5489]

Last time I heard them speak of it they are STILL planning a sequel for Hulk AND the TV show (which they made the comment that the TV show WOULD NOT be tied into the movie-verse).

Just wondering, when was this said?

[WildcatNC]

Just wondering, when was this said?



Ruffalo and Marvel have made comments about it in different interviews and articles. Its kind of scattered around. I know where the "TV show not being tied to the movie-verse" comment is at but the rest I don't remember. Google would probably find them.

[BigThor]

I'm not saying Marvel has no faith in Thor. I am just saying Cap is more popular. If you look blankly at the two names, you would expect Cap to make more money, at least in the United States.

I am not saying Thor is not popular. I am saying Cap is more popular. That's not a knock on Thor. Most superheroes are less known than Cap is.

Did you not read my post, because I was clearly agreeing with you that Cap is more marketable and popular than Thor (of course).

I was just saying that Thor is actually FAR more known for being a Norse God than he is for being a superhero. He's even got his own day of the week named after him, Thursday. Alot of people will see his movie because of his connection to the Norse version of himself.

[Spider-Fan]

Did you not read my post, because I was clearly agreeing with you that Cap is more marketable and popular than Thor (of course).

I was just saying that Thor is actually FAR more known for being a Norse God than he is for being a superhero. He's even got his own day of the week named after him, Thursday. Alot of people will see his movie because of his connection to the Norse version of himself.

I know you said that, but I was just clarifying what my original point was because I felt people seemed to think I said Thor isn't marketable. I'm aware Thor is very well known in Norse Mythology also, but I don't think that awareness will boost the movie's BO any. I think Thor will be a hit, having said that. It has a great position in the summer slate of film's and strong trailers. That is what I think is going to get people in the seats for Thor.

[BigThor]

I know you said that, but I was just clarifying what my original point was because I felt people seemed to think I said Thor isn't marketable. I'm aware Thor is very well known in Norse Mythology also, but I don't think that awareness will boost the movie's BO any. I think Thor will be a hit, having said that. It has a great position in the summer slate of film's and strong trailers. That is what I think is going to get people in the seats for Thor.

Oh no I understood your point, I was making a general statement when I said the stuff about Norse mythology.

I disagree with you saying that won't help with the BO, because if you look at any youtube video of the trailer most people talk about it as if it's a movie about Norse Thor.

[Spider-Fan]

Oh no I understood your point, I was making a general statement when I said the stuff about Norse mythology.

I disagree with you saying that won't help with the BO, because if you look at any youtube video of the trailer most people talk about it as if it's a movie about Norse Thor.

I hope it helps. I'd like to see each of the Big 3 succeed and make Avengers the big thing of next year :up:

Which it will be for me, no matter what happens. I am far more hyped for Avengers than the other 2012 comic films.

[The Cocreator]

The Avengers may steal the show in 2011 but considering that spider-man and The Dark Knight Rises are released the same year, and as we know they're obvious hits, there is the possibility that Avengers doesn't have enough success.

[BigThor]

I hope it helps. I'd like to see each of the Big 3 succeed and make Avengers the big thing of next year :up:

Which it will be for me, no matter what happens. I am far more hyped for Avengers than the other 2012 comic films.

Same here, I wish more people felt the same my friend :). I'm far more hyped for Thor and Cap than any other films this year, I cant wait for GL as well.

The Avengers may steal the show in 2011 but considering that spider-man and The Dark Knight Rises are released the same year, and as we know they're obvious hits, there is the possibility that Avengers doesn't have enough success.

Nahh, Spider-Man & TDKR are popular but The Avengers is going be groundbreaking. I'm a big fan of Nolan's Batman films, but realistically I doubt TDKR is even going to make a much a TDK (no Heath Ledger).

[The Cocreator]

I'm not very hyped for Thor but i'm very hyped for X-Men: First Class and Cap America, but until now i always prefered caps stories set in world war II

[BigThor]

I'm not very hyped for Thor but i'm very hyped for X-Men: First Class and Cap America, but until now i always prefered caps stories set in world war II

Cool to each his own, oh and Cap's film is set in WWII by the way.

[The Cocreator]

I know that, bout i was talking about the sequels for cap

[UltimateJustin]

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-captain-america-gets-a-sequel-f-k-yeah-12568



First Green Lantern and now Captain America getting sequels before the movie is released? Nice.

And by the way Captain America is the only Marvel film to officially get a Post-Avengers sequel so far.
They may reconsider this after the movie under preforms. It's being released in July which means it won't fare well, as only DC heroes can handle that month. TIH under preformed because it was a July release, I think. Marvel movies have to come out in May to do well. Kick starting the summer and being the first major attraction to see is what drives business to them.

[Spider-Fan]

They may reconsider this after the movie under preforms. It's being released in July which means it won't fare well, as only DC heroes can handle that month. TIH under preformed because it was a July release, I think. Marvel movies have to come out in May to do well. Kick starting the summer and being the first major attraction to see is what drives business to them.

Plenty of summer films have done well in July :huh:

Including Spider-Man 2 and TDK. This point is moot. Also, TIH wasn't a July release. It was a June release. In 2008, the July comic film was TDK.

[Spider-Fan]

Same here, I wish more people felt the same my friend :). I'm far more hyped for Thor and Cap than any other films this year, I cant wait for GL as well.


Same. Cap and Thor are my big 2 films of the year. GL I'm not nearly as excited for. I have my worries about. But, I am far more hyped for GL than X:FC.

[UltimateJustin]

Plenty of summer films have done well in July :huh:

Including Spider-Man 2 and TDK. This point is moot.
Wait and see what happens. Thor will do well, Cap'N 'Murca will have the suits worried cause it will barely return production costs. I'm an insider.

[Spider-Fan]

Wait and see what happens. Thor will do well, Cap'N 'Murca will have the suits worried cause it will barely return production costs. I'm an insider.

An insider who doesn't know TIH came out in June :up:

[UltimateJustin]

An insider who doesn't know TIH came out in June :up:
June or July, same thing.

[Spider-Fan]

June or July, same thing.

No, it isn't. There is a big difference between being a film opening in the middle of the summer and being one that opens at the end. In the middle, your film fades fast. At the end, your film has no competition after its release for several weeks and can make bank on legs.

[Khemik@L]

I smell a Troll :dry:

[The Cocreator]

From the trailer i lost some hope with Thor, captain america has a bad director but good screenwriters and actors so it may end up pretty good, x-men first class seems good, i kind of had an inception feeling while watching the trailer, so basically i choosed the set pieces, but just because i don't think it will be that good, it reminds me of clash of titans, well, i won't be that bad but i think that if were lucky Thor can be as good as Hellboy II.
Cap has a lot of potential, being a set piece, it may end up being really good or really bad. Green Lantern, well, i don't have many hopes, in least the trailer was bad, incredible how the fan trailer made some months before was better than the official one, but if DC saw potential for a trilogy then i may end up good.
Many fans don't expect much of First class because it changed a lot from the comics or doesn't have the original 5. Now for 2012 it's more complicated, spider-man is really popular, almost everybody knows it, kids will watch it, fans will watch it, it success guaranteed, The Dark Knight Rises will have even more hype after the big success that was The Dark Knight, they will want to see the next oscar winning batman, normally when the 2nd film is succesful critically more people will watch the 2nd, even if it fails to deliver a story as good, like with x-men 3, spider-man 3, and Iron Man. That means: Success guaranteed. Avengers may have a lot of characters and i think it's mgoing to be great but The Dark Knight Rises will have even more succes, in the way The Dark Knight had more success than Iron Man in 2008 but Iron man was still successful.

[WildcatNC]

I smell a Troll :dry:


Good call.



I'm an insider.


:whatever:

[WildcatNC]

The Avengers may steal the show in 2011 but considering that spider-man and The Dark Knight Rises are released the same year, and as we know they're obvious hits, there is the possibility that Avengers doesn't have enough success.


Unless they release at the same time then its not that big of an issue. The same people are more than capable of seeing all three movies.

If theres no direct competition then I don't see where they hurt each other. I have little doubt that TDKR will make the most money, but that doesn't mean the other ones will not be very successful.

If Whedon makes a great movie and Cap and Thor keep the buzz going from IM II then Avengers will be fine.

[captainrogers]

Oh WildcatNC, didn't you know the terms "insider" and "clairevoyant" are basically the same thing?

[BizarroAids]

No, it isn't. There is a big difference between being a film opening in the middle of the summer and being one that opens at the end. In the middle, your film fades fast. At the end, your film has no competition after its release for several weeks and can make bank on legs.

Exactly!

And by the end of July-beginning of August is when you get last minute action movies/comedies or in some cases, the first of the horror movies. Mid-to late July is pretty much a dead on spot. It's the movies that come out in the first few weeks of May that usually suffer. The first release usually dominates a few weeks, then gets bumped by the next movie, and so on.

[Parker Wayne]

Good call.

Same guy was trolling the Emma Stone thread.

[WildcatNC]

Same guy was trolling the Emma Stone thread.

He probably knows her though, he's an insider. :o

[Parker Wayne]

:funny:

[UltimateJustin]

Same guy was trolling the Emma Stone thread.
I'm not a troll, partner. I legitimately hate Emma Stone's log head. And I'm four years your senior on this forum so honestly, I resent the accusation.

[UltimateJustin]

Exactly!

It's the movies that come out in the first few weeks of May that usually suffer. The first release usually dominates a few weeks, then gets bumped by the next movie, and so on.
Spider-Man/Spider-Man 3, Episode II/III, Matrix Reloaded, Iron Man/Iron Man 2, X2, Finding Nemo, Troy, Star Trek, those films all came out within the first two weeks of May and made cash over ass, partna.

[Parker Wayne]

I'm not a troll, partner. I legitimately hate Emma Stone's log head. And I'm four years your senior on this forum so honestly, I resent the accusation.

So?

[captainrogers]

I'm not a troll, partner. I legitimately hate Emma Stone's log head. And I'm four years your senior on this forum so honestly, I resent the accusation.

So, what Fabulous door prize do I get being one year your senior on this fine forum?

:awesome:

how long you've been around really has no bearing on whether or not you have a good point.....just sayin.

[Rock Sexton]

How can a Cap sequel happen in anything before modern times? He's frozen solid after saving the day in the first one, not to be thawed out until The Avengers.

[WildcatNC]

I'm not a troll, partner. I legitimately hate Emma Stone's log head. And I'm four years your senior on this forum so honestly, I resent the accusation.


Its the, "i'm an insider so I can predict the future" that's trollish man.


You may not have meant it that way but it came across very douche-y. People don't always come across like they mean online though.

[UltimateJustin]

So, what Fabulous door prize do I get being one year your senior on this fine forum?

:awesome:

how long you've been around really has no bearing on whether or not you have a good point.....just sayin.
Good thing I've never been proven to not have a good point. Let's just move on and admit that Captain America will do poorly.

[BizarroAids]

Spider-Man/Spider-Man 3, Episode II/III, Matrix Reloaded, Iron Man/Iron Man 2, X2, Finding Nemo, Troy, Star Trek, those films all came out within the first two weeks of May and made cash over ass, partna.


I think you missed my point, "insider."

[WildcatNC]

How can a Cap sequel happen in anything before modern times? He's frozen solid after saving the day in the first one, not to be thawed out until The Avengers.


I agree.

From what I can tell some are wanting another movie made about his adventures during WWII. They obviously won't be able to show them all in CATFA so they want to see that.

One origin movie is plenty enough for me.

[BizarroAids]

I agree.

From what I can tell some are wanting another movie made about his adventures during WWII. They obviously won't be able to show them all in CATFA so they want to see that.

One origin movie is plenty enough for me.

But in the sequel they can show flashbacks of Cap and the Howling Commandos during different missions. It doesn't matter if he's thawed out or not, they could still make another WWII film if they wanted, just sayin.

[WildcatNC]

But in the sequel they can show flashbacks of Cap and the Howling Commandos during different missions. It doesn't matter if he's thawed out or not, they could still make another WWII film if they wanted, just sayin.


Certainly they COULD.

I'm just agreeing it doesn't fit to me to make another one. Make the origin and then move forward. Flashbacks or dream sequences here and there would be great though.

[BizarroAids]

Ah ok, gotcha.

I'd say a good way to do some of the war flashbacks, could be the same way they did it in Ultimate Avengers 2. When he was in the Hydra facility and it would show him approaching a Hydra guy and then flash back to the 40's.

Sometimes that can be a cool effect, they did it in Watchmen as well.

[captainrogers]

Good thing I've never been proven to not have a good point. Let's just move on and admit that Captain America will do poorly.

A-firm. HUA.

http://www.p2pnet.net/img/2010/20100525163255a.jpg

Movin' along now.

[Parker Wayne]

Good thing I've never been proven to not have a good point. Let's just move on and admit that Captain America will do poorly.

Oh really? Let's take a look at this nugget.

Wait and see what happens. Thor will do well, Cap'N 'Murca will have the suits worried cause it will barely return production costs. I'm an insider.

Just been disproven. Good night troll.

[WildcatNC]

Ah ok, gotcha.

I'd say a good way to do some of the war flashbacks, could be the same way they did it in Ultimate Avengers 2. When he was in the Hydra facility and it would show him approaching a Hydra guy and then flash back to the 40's.

Sometimes that can be a cool effect, they did it in Watchmen as well.



Yea. Making a whole period piece through flashbacks I wouldn't be to keen on. If they did flashbacks in the Cap sequels I would actually like other people to tell stories of him. Fury maybe. Have a few people relate tales of how he impacted their life when they were kids, etc.

[Mace Dolex]

So now we have...

Iron Man 3
Captain America 2
Black Panther
Ant Man
War Machine
Nick Fury (?)
Avengers 2 (?)

...am i missing any?

Quite a lineup already for the many years post-Avengers, and i have little doubt we'll be seeing many more film announcements coming down the road.
Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.

[BizarroAids]

Yea. Making a whole period piece through flashbacks I wouldn't be to keen on. If they did flashbacks in the Cap sequels I would actually like other people to tell stories of him. Fury maybe. Have a few people relate tales of how he impacted their life when they were kids, etc.

Yeah, that could work as well.

I would like if they really sell it as him being the living legend. Definitely when it comes to people retelling stories.

I know alot of people don't want "hero cameos" in the stand alone films. But after the Avengers, and let's say it was a huge hit, what would stop Marvel from throwing in a scene or two with Thor, Iron Man or whoever.

[BizarroAids]

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.

Well Sam Jackson has a 9 picture deal, one of those was to include a SHIELD movie, which could be good spy/action flick.

And there has always been talks of both a Black Panther movie and Ant-Man. Which makes sense, give the character a full movie to flesh out who he is, then have that person join in the Avengers sequel if the interest in that character is high.

[WildcatNC]

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.



A Black Panther, Shield (not Nick Fury alone), Black Widow, and Ant-Man movie are all in the plans for now. All have been talked about as if they are planning to make them. Ant-Man already has a script and a Director. The rest are further back.

There has been talk of a War Machine movie also. Not to mention a Hero's for Hire movie. I'm sure Namor has been talked about as well.

[BigThor]

They may reconsider this after the movie under preforms. It's being released in July which means it won't fare well, as only DC heroes can handle that month. TIH under preformed because it was a July release, I think. Marvel movies have to come out in May to do well. Kick starting the summer and being the first major attraction to see is what drives business to them.

I'm sorry, but this post makes me :lmao: because it is so ridiculously stupid.

Wait and see what happens. Thor will do well, Cap'N 'Murca will have the suits worried cause it will barely return production costs. I'm an insider.

I'm a Thor fan, but even I have to say that this is a load of bull**** (or should I say troll sh**). Captain America's superbowl spot was very well recieved and let's not forget that this is Captain America were taling about here (F*** yeah).

[captainrogers]

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.

Well, it's not like, back-in-the-day, folks were clamoring for a Blade movie either. Heck, a lot of the GA's exposure to that character (if any) was via his few guest appearances on the Spiderman cartoon, and it got two sequels. If it's made to look like an intriguing concept, and looks good, people will watch it.
(I, myself, am waiting for a good Black Panther pic, more than any of the other proposed properties)

[Spider-Fan]

Good thing I've never been proven to not have a good point. Let's just move on and admit that Captain America will do poorly.

This sir, is well deserved

:facepalm:

[cryptic name]

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.

Ant Man is happening for sure. I would argue that the "general public" didn't care about Thor, or even Iron Man, so that doesn't really matter if the movie is good.

[cryptic name]

They may reconsider this after the movie under preforms. It's being released in July which means it won't fare well, as only DC heroes can handle that month. TIH under preformed because it was a July release, I think. Marvel movies have to come out in May to do well. Kick starting the summer and being the first major attraction to see is what drives business to them.

Spider-Man 2 was released at the end of June and didn't do too shabby...

other than that, yeah, this point just makes no sense. it doesn't matter what month it is, if people want to see it, they'll see it.

[NickNitro]

Lets stop feeding the Trolls how about that. Starve them out and move on. Enough said.

They troll to piss us off and want us to get off topic.

Sooooo anyway. How about that Cap movie huh!?

I could see Cap2 being a pure movie of him trying to fit in modern times/doubting his abilities to lead the Avengers and wishing hed never been thawed to begin with.

The Avengers cartoon does well to show this. Also with him trying to fit in we can have random flashbacks say when he looks at his shield/and old photo/ what have you, but to have an entire movie baes on flashbacks like a Saving Private Ryan kinda deal I dont think would work too well.

Like said before have your Origins movie and move on :)

[GhostPoet]

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.



YES. We do.
And yes. They will.

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, a Cap sequel needs to be modern day, BUT that doesn't mean you can't tie it in with WWII. Like say, make the villain Zemo II, and flashback to Cap's days in WWII when he was fighting Zemo I. That is what I would do.

[Rock Sexton]

But in the sequel they can show flashbacks of Cap and the Howling Commandos during different missions. It doesn't matter if he's thawed out or not, they could still make another WWII film if they wanted, just sayin.

So wait .... Cap is supposed to have gone on some other major mission fighting some other major baddie inbetween the fairly short sequence we're getting in the first one?

Not seeing how that works.

[Spider-Fan]

So wait .... Cap is supposed to have gone on some other major mission fighting some other major baddie inbetween the fairly short sequence we're getting in the first one?

Not seeing how that works.

Montage of various missions he was involved in, ala Wolverine.

[Rock Sexton]

Montage of various missions he was involved in, ala Wolverine.

We haven't even seen the way Cap 1 is presented yet. There's no telling if they even leave that possibility open.

I think one 1940's era Cap is enough IMPO.

[Spider-Fan]

We haven't even seen the way Cap 1 is presented yet. There's no telling if they even leave that possibility open.

I think one 1940's era Cap is enough IMPO.

I agree, but I'd leave enough open so they could use flashbacks of WWII later in the series if they so choose. Like I suggested earlier if they do something like use Zemo II and show Cap vs Zemo I in flashback.

[Rock Sexton]

I agree, but I'd leave enough open so they could use flashbacks of WWII later in the series if they so choose. Like I suggested earlier if they do something like use Zemo II and show Cap vs Zemo I in flashback.

I just don't see it happening given what we know about the script and the events of the movie. I mean we see this skinny Steve who sets out for the army, gets injected and serves as a puppet, then breaks off to save his buddies and stop the Skull. From a storytelling perspective, I don't see where a mission to stop Zemo would've fit into all that. It would've had to have been an important mission and not one you'd skip over in an origin flick where he ends up frozen and thawed in present day.

[cryptic name]

I just don't see it happening given what we know about the script and the events of the movie. I mean we see this skinny Steve who sets out for the army, gets injected and serves as a puppet, then breaks off to save his buddies and stop the Skull. From a storytelling perspective, I don't see where a mission to stop Zemo would've fit into all that. It would've had to have been an important mission and not one you'd skip over in an origin flick where he ends up frozen and thawed in present day.

him saving his buddies is like the middle of the flick. we've heard from various sources that there will be a montage showing Cap and the Howling Commandos going on various missions. i don't really want the sequel to be set in WWII again either, but it would be a huge bummer if he basically only went on one mission then got frozen.

[BigThor]

Ant Man is happening for sure. I would argue that the "general public" didn't care about Thor, or even Iron Man, so that doesn't really matter if the movie is good.

I wouldn't go that far, Thor & Iron Man are alot more popular than Black Panther, Antman, and Nick Fury.

Whoa whoa! back up there, do we really need a Black Panther, Nick Fury and Ant-Man flick?

Does the general public even care for these properties? lets not get too ahead of ourselves, I mean next I'll be hearing rumors of a Namor film.

You're questioning whether we need a Black Panther, Nick Fury, or Ant-Man film but you didn't say anything about War Machine's film?

Seriously all those other heroes are fairly unique individuals and are deserving of their own films eventually, but War Machine? Really?

[WildcatNC]

Lets stop feeding the Trolls how about that. Starve them out and move on. Enough said.

They troll to piss us off and want us to get off topic.

Sooooo anyway. How about that Cap movie huh!?

I could see Cap2 being a pure movie of him trying to fit in modern times/doubting his abilities to lead the Avengers and wishing hed never been thawed to begin with.

The Avengers cartoon does well to show this. Also with him trying to fit in we can have random flashbacks say when he looks at his shield/and old photo/ what have you, but to have an entire movie baes on flashbacks like a Saving Private Ryan kinda deal I dont think would work too well.

Like said before have your Origins movie and move on :)


I'm assuming we'll have to see the immediate acclimating in Avengers (MAYBE at the end of CATFA). My guess is he'll be too busy in Avengers to truly settle in so that would be a good theme for the sequel.

I think his personal arc in the sequel should be where he explores how the world has changed, has some demons from the past show up to haunt him but overcomes it and strides confidently in the here and now by the end, ready to leave the past in the past. Thats just his personal journey taking place during the main action and plot though.

Zemo would be the obvious choice, and a good one. Maybe throw MODOK in there as well (changed to not look ridiculous in live action of course). Maybe even hint at Winter Soldier, but save him for the third film. Plenty of demons possible with HYDRA that could come back to confront him.

If Hydra is not used as the main villain in The Avengers then Cap II would be a good time to really reintroduce them to the audience as the modern version too. Just seems like a good fit without knowing their role in Avengers.

[WildcatNC]

I wouldn't go that far, Thor & Iron Man are FAR more popular than Black Panther, Antman, and Nick Fury.


All the Marvel Studios movies so far are A listers, comics wise anyway. I would argue that only Spiderman, Hulk and Captain America were very well known to the non-geek/comic crowd though, till the movies started coming out. Throw Superman and Batman in there and thats probably the only comic characters period that nearly everyone knew something about even before the movies.

We will certainly see some B lister movies before long.

[BigThor]

All the Marvel Studios movies so far are A listers, comics wise anyway. I would argue that only Spiderman, Hulk and Captain America were very well known to the non-geek/comic crowd though, till the movies started coming out. Throw Superman and Batman in there and thats probably the only comic characters period that nearly everyone knew something about even before the movies.

We will certainly see some B lister movies before long.

I don't think Captain America is nearly as well known as Hulk, Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman (but he's still pretty well known).

Wolverine is also another very popular superhero with the "general audience" as well.

[Infinity9999x]

I don't think Captain America is nearly as well known as Hulk, Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman (but he's still pretty well known).

Wolverine is also another very popular superhero with the "general audience" as well.

I would agree. In terms of general public knowledge, Cap, while having some standing with the general audience, isn't too high. But that's simply because of his lack of exposure. We haven't had a major motion film, cartoon series, or even video game based on the character in over ten years. The most exposure the general public got to Cap was when the newspapers ran some quick blurbs about him getting killed a few years ago.

[WildcatNC]

I don't think Captain America is nearly as well known as Hulk, Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman (but he's still pretty well known).

Wolverine is also another very popular superhero with the "general audience" as well.


Wolverine was borderline before the X-Men movies. He didn't really blow up till then.

Captain America is such a cultural cliche to many that almost everyone at least recognized who it was, even if they didn't know much about the actual character. I agree that he's the least well known of the ones I mentioned above though. He just ticks the historical "iconic" box. Theres a reason the major news networks had stories of his death a few years back.

[bubbadoom]

The Sleeper story line from Tales of Suspense would make a good Cap sequel...

[Parker Wayne]

Wolverine was borderline before the X-Men movies. He didn't really blow up till then.


I partly agree though to the younger generation who grew up with the X-men animated series Wolverine was the most awesome part of that show.

[BigThor]

I partly agree though to the younger generation who grew up with the X-men animated series Wolverine was the most awesome part of that show.

Edit: Yeah, everybody I new back in those days knew who Wolverine was.

[Parker Wayne]

Really? It was pretty big where I lived, though not as big as Pokemon, but as big as Spider-man TAS and Batman TAS. Everyone my age watched that show.

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, the X-Men cartoon is my best friend's favorite cartoon of old.

[WildcatNC]

I partly agree though to the younger generation who grew up with the X-men animated series Wolverine was the most awesome part of that show.



Yea, that was the s**t back in the day and I was a teenager. Always loved the X-Men and Wolverine since I was a small kid. I remember pretending to be Wolverine in grade school.


I also think thats an interesting divide in the fanbase as well. You really have 3 distinct groups. The Comic fans, the cartoon fans, and the movie fans. Most like ALL of them but the one that actually "started" you on the X-Men seems to color your view of the stories and characters.

Though Wolverine is VERY popular, I still wouldn't put him in that "first" group I listed above for the general audience. Even now he's just outside those guys IMO. They just have about 30+ years of exposure during the golden age on him.

[BigThor]

Really? It was pretty big where I lived, though not as big as Pokemon, but as big as Spider-man TAS and Batman TAS. Everyone my age watched that show.

I know that's what I'm saying, I didn't know anybody who DIDN'T know who Wolverine was back then. Meaning everybody I knew had a knowledge of who Wolverine was.

[WildcatNC]

I know that's what I'm saying, I didn't know anybody who DIDN'T know who Wolverine was back then. Meaning everybody I knew had a knowledge of who Wolverine was.

I'm sure your right for that age group, but before that cartoon no one knew anything about him unless they had read the comic. I'm talking big picture general audience. Everyone.

[Parker Wayne]

I know that's what I'm saying, I didn't know anybody who DIDN'T know who Wolverine was back then. Meaning everybody I knew had a knowledge of who Wolverine was.

Ah, my mistake. I must've read your post wrong.

I'm sure your right for that age group, but before that cartoon no one knew anything about him unless they had read the comic. I'm talking big picture general audience. Everyone.

Yeah, you're right about that.

But in terms of US only, he's a huge character. His shield/logo is known by many across the US and is up there with the Superman and Batman logos. Captain America has a rich history. Just becuase he hasn't had a successful movie or tv show doesn't mean he's not known by many people.

[jab1118]

I'm sure your right for that age group, but before that cartoon no one knew anything about him unless they had read the comic. I'm talking big picture general audience. Everyone.

But the big picture general audience are the people who grew up with that show. It came out almost 20 years ago. So whether you were young like myself or a teen who would enjoy a show like that by the time the movie came out you were anywhere from highschool age to around 30. The main and target audience of any blockbuster let alone a comicbook. The reason he was the focus is because he was the star of the cartoon

[WildcatNC]

Ah, my mistake. I must've read your post wrong.



Yeah, you're right about that.

But in terms of US only, he's a huge character. His shield/logo is known by many across the US and is up there with the Superman and Batman logos. Captain America has a rich history. Just becuase he hasn't had a successful movie or tv show doesn't mean he's not known by many people.


Thats what I meant. He's probably the least well known of the "Iconic" comic book characters as the only one without a major series or movie, but he's up there with them. People who have never read a comic or saw a cartoon probably at least knows who Cap is and could recognize the Shield.

[WildcatNC]

target audience


Thats certainly true. Which is why I said "everyone". To me the GA is different from the "target audience". I include everyone in the GA category, not just the target demographics. From the 90's on most everyone at least knows who Wolverine is.

The difference is, from the 40's-50's through 2011, most everyone at least knows who Captain America is. Its not hard to see he's in another league, just as much an Icon as a character. He would have been recognized by every "target" audience since the 50's.

[BigThor]

Speaking of iconic weapons, Thor's hammer is also very popular and "iconic" (it's more popular than Thor himself)

[WildcatNC]

Speaking of iconic weapons, Thor's hammer is also very popular and "iconic" (it's more popular than Thor himself)

Thor is odd in the "popularity" department. Theres so much cross recognition from the mythology. The name is VERY well known, but its hard to gauge how much of that is the comic version.

No doubt that Mjolnir is up there with Excaliber as one of the greatest weapons of myth and legend. Its definitely MY favorite. My first D&D character back in the day was a Cleric of Thor :woot:

[BigThor]

Thor is odd in the "popularity" department. Theres so much cross recognition from the mythology. The name is VERY well known, but its hard to gauge how much of that is the comic version.

No doubt that Mjolnir is up there with Excaliber as one of the greatest weapons of myth and legend. Its definitely MY favorite. My first D&D character back in the day was a Cleric of Thor :woot:

I think Thor's more known as a mythological god than comic book character, you can go on youtube and see tons of "why isn't Thor fighting Vikings" or "why isn't Thor dressed like a Viking" type comments.

But like they say, "no publicity is bad publicity" so alot of people who only knows him from myths are going to support the movie as well. That's why I have to disagree when people say he isn't popular because it doesn't really matter which "Thor" is more popular, since the GA doesn't know the difference.

[Parker Wayne]

Thor is odd in the "popularity" department. Theres so much cross recognition from the mythology. The name is VERY well known, but its hard to gauge how much of that is the comic version.

No doubt that Mjolnir is up there with Excaliber as one of the greatest weapons of myth and legend. Its definitely MY favorite. My first D&D character back in the day was a Cleric of Thor :woot:

The Buzz for the Thor film is split. Some people are excited, while others are pissed because they wanted Thor to go on a viking quest. Some people still aren't getting that this isn't the Thor from Norse Mythology, which is why people are complaining about Heimdall being black (and aren't comic book people).

Honestly, they should market this film as Marvel's Thor. :o



And Captain America did have two tv movies and a feature film. All of which we never speak of. :oldrazz:

[The Infernal]

I partly agree though to the younger generation who grew up with the X-men animated series Wolverine was the most awesome part of that show.

*cough* Gambit *cough* :oldrazz:

[BigThor]

The Buzz for the Thor film is split. Some people are excited, while others are pissed because they wanted Thor to go on a viking quest. Some people still aren't getting that this isn't the Thor from Norse Mythology, which is why people are complaining about Heimdall being black (and aren't comic book people).

Honestly, they should market this film as Marvel's Thor. :o



And Captain America did have two tv movies and a feature film. All of which we never speak of. :oldrazz:

Yeah, Marvel should make it more clear that this is their version of Thor because obviously people don't understand that this isn't Norse mythology's Thor. I think CelticPredator should make a kickass video about how it's based on the Marvel version :cwink:.

This movie is going to be Cap's big breakout film though, can't wait for the new trailer this friday :cap:

[Spider-Fan]

They probably should have called it The Mighty Thor or Marvel's Thor in the title like they did with Cap to make it more marketable if people getting confused.

[BigThor]

They probably should have called it The Mighty Thor or Marvel's Thor in the title like they did with Cap to make it more marketable if people getting confused.

The title is fine, they should just say the word "Marvel's" before saying "Thor" while having it come on the screen at the end of the trailer.

[bubbadoom]

Didn't I see THOR: THE MIGHTY AVENGER some where?

[Chewy]

The Buzz for the Thor film is split. Some people are excited, while others are pissed because they wanted Thor to go on a viking quest. Some people still aren't getting that this isn't the Thor from Norse Mythology, which is why people are complaining about Heimdall being black (and aren't comic book people).

Honestly, they should market this film as Marvel's Thor. :o
C'mon now, don't let the internet fool you. The buzz on Thor amongst general audiences has absolutely nothing to do with the film's adherence to mythology or Heimdall's race.

[BizarroAids]

The Buzz for the Thor film is split. Some people are excited, while others are pissed because they wanted Thor to go on a viking quest.

If they want Thor on a quest, they can go watch Thor: Tales of Asgard first. :oldrazz:

Which, holy **** was suppose to come out last year.:cmad::csad:

[BigThor]

C'mon now, don't let the internet fool you. The buzz on Thor amongst general audiences has absolutely nothing to do with the film's adherence to mythology or Heimdall's race.

You'd be suprised Chewy :woot:

If they want Thor on a quest, they can go watch Thor: Tales of Asgard first. :oldrazz:

Which, holy **** was suppose to come out last year.:cmad::csad:

Yeah they sure can, and that's why I'm not to excited for Tales of Asgard.

It was suppose to come out last year wasn't it, I guess it's coming out sometimes this year.

[BizarroAids]

You'd be suprised Chewy :woot:



Yeah they sure can, and that's why I'm not to excited for Tales of Asgard.

It was suppose to come out last year wasn't it, I guess it's coming out sometimes this year.

Last I heard, March.

[Spider-Fan]

Moved :o

[Parker Wayne]

Spider-Fan, What gives you the right move my threa.....

*sees red*

oh....

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/etats360/gifs/homer_bushes.gif

[Spider-Fan]

:twisted:

[Hypestyle]

...I just hope that there isn't an extended sequence of fish out of water moments in the next movie.. constantly being frustrated by HD televisions, cell phones, computers, microwave ovens, contemporary slang, etc.

[Alientraveller]

Would Steve know what a TV is? I guess he would understand mobile phones because of the walkie talkies used on the war front, and get used to predictive text, computers and ovens like most of us.

What I would like is for Cap to learn Peggy is still alive. That would be quite a moving moment if he visits her at a home. And I wonder how Cap would feel just reading Wikipedia, learning about JFK's assassination, the struggle for civil rights, Watergate, Reaganism, 9/11 and the economic crisis.

[Zionite]

Personally I would like to see a Cap sequel in WW2 era.It gives the Superhero a more unique feel.
One of the things this Superhero movies have to avoid is being too cliche.This iw why i like Thor.Youd be suprised how many people watched it without realising they were watching a supehero flick

[Spider-Fan]

I think best thing to do would be maybe use Baron Zemo II in Cap 2 as the villain, but also in the film, flashback to Cap fighting Baron Zemo I. It'd be a cool way to reuse WWII as well as keep Cap as a man out of time.

[Avenger]

I think they'll use some of the Winter Soldier story in Cap 2 and make Baron Zemo the main villain. Zemo is ultimately responsible for Bucky's "death" and transformation into the Winter Soldier, after all, so I can see Cap making it personal when he goes after Zemo in the modern day and tries to stop his nefarious plot. All while sporadically encountering Bucky/Winter Soldier, on his own personal mission against Zemo, and trying to rehabilitate him.

I can also see them just merging both Zemos into one character to avoid confusing the audience. Although Cap being responsible for Zemo I's death would provide for some juicy motivation and animosity on Zemo II's part.

[Spider-Fan]

I think Cap 2 is way too soon to pull out the Winter Soldier card. If that is to be used, Cap 3 would be the time to do it.

[Avenger]

Eh, maybe. Cap 2 will probably also introduce Sharon Carter, so trying to fit Sharon, Zemo, and Winter Soldier all into one movie might be a little too much.

[Spider-Fan]

Also, Cap 2 should be about Cap moving on from his life in WWII and living in the now. Bringing the Winter Soldier in that soon I think would undermine that arc. I mean, it could be done, but I think Bucky being alive would be a better twist in a 3rd movie.

[BizarroAids]

Well you know how Marvel Studios is, they like to throw in that kind of stuff in the sequel. Like in Iron Man 2, it didn't really focus on him so much, just rushed to get Rhodey in the suit.

The Cap sequel, I agree, needs to take place now with him adjusting to life in current times, being the only one alive, and dealing with being on a team. The flashbacks would be great to show more Bucky and Howling Commandos stuff, and perhaps that could help us get a Baron Zemo plot or Amin Zola.

The way they are approaching Bucky in the movie is making them friends their whole lives, being around the same age, and doing like a brothers in arms theme. Directors instantly see that as "Let's do Winter Soldier because that makes the villain that much more 3 dimensional." If the hero has any connection with the villain on a personal level, they will want to take advantage of that.

Cap has many stories that can be told without rushing into putting Bucky on the wrong track. They could even not do the Winter Soldier storyline and still have Bucky in flashbacks.

[terry78]

I think they may go the route of having Cap in present day in the Avengers basically reminiscing about an escapade he had before he was frozen, more or less making the entire sequel a flashback of sorts.

[KangConquers]

Also, Cap 2 should be about Cap moving on from his life in WWII and living in the now. Bringing the Winter Soldier in that soon I think would undermine that arc. I mean, it could be done, but I think Bucky being alive would be a better twist in a 3rd movie.

This. 100%.

[psylockolussus]

I would be so happy if CA2 gets a 2013 release date like Thor 2 and Iron Man 3!!!

[KangConquers]

I think the best thing to do is give Cap 2 the May 2014 Summer Kick Off date. It's still too early for Marvel to do 3 150-200 Million dollar films in one year.

[RedSkull]

Make it in 2013. We can have avengers summers and Cap/Thor summers

[Spider-Fan]

Make it in 2013. We can have avengers summers and Cap/Thor summers

2014 for Cap 2 is better for the film, and for Marvel's plate. Leave it at 2 films per year. I can wait an extra few months to get a quality Cap 2. Plus, OW of May, it will make more bank than in June, which is when Marvel would have to slate it for.

[DrCosmic]

Fighting two Zemos, one in the past, one in the future, is a really awesome idea, it really should be done. Throw in Taskmaster as Zemo's enforcer in the present, and you can have some really cool action sequences. If you REALLY want to connect, you can flashback to Cap on the borders of Wakanda in the past to set up for Black Panther's release, but that's a whole other story. Going back to the past with a Nazi can also help set up for Winter Soldier's return in a threequel.

Sharon Carter can be a romantic interest. Sam Wilson can be his handler and what not.

By going between past and present, you can really highlight how Captain America is a man out of time. You can play up the comedy of it, as well as the drama. We can see how he sees things, in a way.

[The Squirrel]

I think having Cap fight and (kill?) Zemo during the War in a prologue, and then have it be one of Zemo's descendants in the present day for the rest of the movie would work. They could even have the prologue take place at one of the Hydra factories that we saw Cap destroy in the first film.

[DrCosmic]

^It's a bad idea to include costumed villains that you won't develop. If he's only going to have five minutes of screen time, best to leave WWII Zemo out.

[terry78]

http://www.movie-moron.com/?p=16490

Apparently Johnston has already said that when the sequels come to light Winter Soldier will definitely be involved.

[psylockolussus]

If this sequel comes out in June 2013 then we have a party!

[KangConquers]

I'm thinking they'll shoot for May 2, 2014.

[Spider-Fan]

I'd rather May 2014 than June 2013. More time to make the film, and it would have a better BO spot.

[Parker Wayne]

Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 are being released in 2013.

It's going to be 2014 for a sequel.

[docdoc]

make it 2014....summer 2013 is already full of superhero, iron man 3/superman/thor 2

Also, the only possible release date for cap 2 in 2013 is June, which mean it will be cap against superman. Captain America and Superman.....simply too much

[mr jinx]

The sequel has to be getting the June 27, 2014 date. That way it can capitalize on the 4th of July holiday!

[KangConquers]

Is anyone else a little worried that this movie isn't happening based on Disney announcing two "Untitled" films instead of confidently saying "CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 WILL be released on June 27, 2014!" I'm worried that we won't see a sequel when it's all said and done.

[steintym]

Do we know for sure that Cap 2 won't wind up being one of those two movies? Maybe an announcement at D23?

[Zap]

Only time will tell... its only a couple of days til the expo anyways.

[Zap]

double post

[Spider-Fan]

Is anyone else a little worried that this movie isn't happening based on Disney announcing two "Untitled" films instead of confidently saying "CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 WILL be released on June 27, 2014!" I'm worried that we won't see a sequel when it's all said and done.

It's getting a sequel.

[Mysteryman]

And its STILL getting a sequel even if there is no anouncement at D23.
If I were them ,I would use that event to focus on The Avengers and John Carter, not Cap.

[Avenger]

Is anyone else a little worried that this movie isn't happening based on Disney announcing two "Untitled" films instead of confidently saying "CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 WILL be released on June 27, 2014!" I'm worried that we won't see a sequel when it's all said and done.I'm not worried at all. It took Marvel two months to announce a sequel for Thor, and Cap's numbers are pretty comparable, so I think it'll be a bit longer before they announce anything.

[TheVileOne]

Nothing came out at D23 on the UNTITLED films.

I think Disney is still waiting on all the final results of Cap and also possibly Avengers before a decision is made.

Avenger, Cap's US numbers are comparable, however, Thor more than doubled Cap's international numbers. Thor made almost half a billion dollars worldwide.

Let's also be realistic here, the Cap movie basically underperformed. We can't get around that and we need to stop pussyfooting about it. It didn't do terrible business. It didn't tank, but it could've done a lot better.

[batdude]

Let's also be realistic about the fact that Avengers is going to make a ton of money. Now Marvel and Disney could say that's because of Downey and Hemsworth, but Cap's going to be a large part of it. They might even be able to get Whedon to write and or direct Cap 2 as well.

[TheVileOne]

You never now batdude. We all thought Green Lantern was going to hit out of the park for a while as well.

Also let's not get ahead of ourselves with Whedon doing Cap 2. It could be interesting, but I want to see how he handles Avengers first.

[VoodooMagic]

Let's also be realistic about the fact that Avengers is going to make a ton of money. Now Marvel and Disney could say that's because of Downey and Hemsworth, but Cap's going to be a large part of it. They might even be able to get Whedon to write and or direct Cap 2 as well.

If Avengers is awesome that is as good of marketing for the sequels of CA, Hulk, Thor and IM as it possibly can be.

If the movie is an 80+ on RT and makes over 700 million world wide it's basically writing the checks for Cap 2 and Hulk.

[Spider-Fan]

When did they say Whedon was doing Cap 2? Where did that rumor come from?

[batdude]

Oops, I phrased that bad. Whedon actually script doctored Cap 1 and said he liked writing 40's dialouge. Anything about him and Cap 2 was a guess on my part.

[TheVileOne]

Where did that come from that he did revisions on first avenger?

[batdude]

It was from some obscure Cap/Avengers site. I got linked to it from Whedonesque a fan site he at least posts on. It is old, but I doubt they would mention it if it wasn't true.

[Avenger]

It was announced that Whedon would make some changes/addition to the TFA script back when he was hired to direct The Avengers.

Source 1 (http://collider.com/joss-whedon-re-writing-captain-america-the-first-avenger/22183/) and Source 2. (http://www.earthsmightiest.com/fansites/captainamerica/news/?a=7535) (via the TFA article on Wikipedia)

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, Whedon script doctored TFA. That is true.

[Parker Wayne]

Nothing came out at D23 on the UNTITLED films.

I think Disney is still waiting on all the final results of Cap and also possibly Avengers before a decision is made.

Avenger, Cap's US numbers are comparable, however, Thor more than doubled Cap's international numbers. Thor made almost half a billion dollars worldwide.

Let's also be realistic here, the Cap movie basically underperformed. We can't get around that and we need to stop pussyfooting about it. It didn't do terrible business. It didn't tank, but it could've done a lot better.

Well, when you put it that way then yeah, it could've done a lot better, but I must say part of it was in due to it's release date between Harry Potter and Cowboys and Aliens along with Smurfs. I still say if it had Thor's release date it would've done way better.

[Sawyer]

It's a shame Thor's done so much better than Cap. Honestly, I thought CA was a far better movie. This is like 2008 all over again.

[chiefchirpa]

^ In 2008, Iron Man was clearly the better movie than you might want to say, Leterrier's luck (because he did the godawful Clash of the Titans afterward)? The idea that a superhero can be not brooding, flawed and public at the same time was like in no other CBM in the past. It's fresh and so much talked in the internet media as a contrarian to the Batman type of hero.

Back on topic, they need to make Cap 2 like a Bourne movie. Constant action, more martial arts close up beatdown, and a more heady terrorist (Hydra or AIM) plot. If they keep up $140 m budget for the sequel, this can be another commercial winner. To save budget, ease up on the CGI and guest appearances. That means no flying guy aka Falcon in his usual attire.

[Guerrilla]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/09/23/captain-america-sequel-not-likely-until-2014-says-chris-evans/
We still have a while for a sequel.

[Spider-Fan]

2014 was always the year we have thought it would happen.

[TheVileOne]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168708-captain-america-2-will-be-set-qprimarilyq-in-modern-day

Writers are saying Cap 2 will be set mostly in modern day.

Still not yet confirmed for 2013 though.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

With Marvel already releasing 2 movies in 2013 I think they will leave Cap 2 until 2014 as has been mentioned already. Cant see them releasing 3 movies in an already crowded year.

[cherokeesam]

With Marvel already releasing 2 movies in 2013 I think they will leave Cap 2 until 2014 as has been mentioned already. Cant see them releasing 3 movies in an already crowded year.

Why not?

IIRC, Marvel said they'd release two tentpoles every summer; but that doesn't rule out lesser-known (i.e., non-tentpole) characters in the off-season, on cheaper budgets.

I definitely agree they'll save Cap 2 for 2014 and have Thor 2 and IM3 be the summer tentpoles of 2013; but I wouldn't rule out a "lesser" Marvel film for the 2013 off-season. Or even the 2012 off-season, if the budget is cheap enough. (For instance, I wouldn't be *too* terribly surprised to see the long-rumored Luke Cage and/or Iron Fist movie come out in Holiday 2012, or at least Holiday 2013, because neither of those projects scream "big budget" in the slightest. An urban crime drama and chop-sockey film could be made on the quick and the cheap.)

[Hypestyle]

I hope the film has lots of action in it, like classic james bond style action, also who would be the tacit love interest this time?

[Godzilla2000]

If there are going to be anymore railing deaths in any of Captain America movies of the future I insist they give these two parts in the movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Godzilla2000/spacemutiny5.jpg

Who might these two be you might be asking? Well the one on the right is Reb Brown, who played a version of Captain America in the 70's. The woman next to him is Cisse Cameron, his wife, whom he met while making the movie that still is from called Space Mutiny. Her only association with Captain America is being married to Reb Brown, but for MSTies we'd get the delight of seeing those two together acting in a movie again. I'd love it if he was a soldier and she a civilian with his lines being "MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!"

[Hypestyle]

I wonder will Cap be living in the Triskelion, Stark Tower, Avengers Mansion, or his apartment in Flatbush..

[Godzilla2000]

You know, I was thinking of this but the natural choice for the next Cap movie would have to be Joss Whedon.

[TheVileOne]

Well let's see how Avengers goes. I imagine they will get someone else like they have with Iron Man 3 and Thor 2.

[Hypestyle]

..Antoine Fuqua.. John Woo.. Reggie Hudlin.. Stephen Norrington..

[kedrell]

I thought I read somewhere that JJ wanted to come back for the next one. If so, I'd say he's earned it.

[TheVileOne]

I'm fine with that choice. Not that there wasn't room for improvement and as long as he doesn't go back to TFA costume.

[R_Hythlodeus]

I'm fine with that choice. Not that there wasn't room for improvement and as long as he doesn't go back to TFA costume.
since the TFA costume was way superior to the costume he sadly has to wear in TA, I'm not sure if I can agree with you...

[Parker Wayne]

If they don't use Johnston again I think Martin Campbell would be a great choice, as the movie wouldn't be as CGI-effects driven and has space for practical effects.

Would be awesome to have a Captain America chase scene similar to the ones in Casino Royale.

[CConn]

Do you really want Martin Campbell anywhere near a superhero franchise after Green Lantern?

That script was actually well-received before Campbell got his hands on it.

[kedrell]

Campbell was all wrong as a choice for GL. But that doesn't mean he's wrong for everything. I bet he could do justice to a more grounded, street-level hero.

[CConn]

But the flaws inherent in GL weren't aspects that would be any different in a street-level film (which Cap really isn't, btw - he's pretty sci-fi).

[TheVileOne]

since the TFA costume was way superior to the costume he sadly has to wear in TA, I'm not sure if I can agree with you...
Sucks to TFA costume. I'm glad Whedon ditched it.

Evans already said the Avengers costume is much easier to move around in and the footage we've seen shows that. Cap can actually MOVE and show his acrobatic ability.

[Webhead38]

When you think about it, Avengers will actually BE Cap II. From a comic perspective, that's how that happened anyway. So when the next film comes out in 2014, I will see that as Cap III. I fell in love with the WWII Cap after seeing the movie. Not so crazy about the modern costume. The mask is my problem. It just registers too generic. His ears aren't out and I feel like the wing design should have some lift to it so you get that indication when you see him face front.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm another one who prefers the TFA costume to The Avengers one, I wish they could somehow go back to it in Cap 2 but if the new one is easier to move in the will probably keep the modern one.

[jrd550]

what i want to know is how would they be able to pull it off taking place in the 40s... impossible... right?

[marcvader]

Flashbacks setting up whatever is happening in the present.