The TEASER TRAILER Discussion Thread

[bosef982]

mmm.... I think Logan was the main character on X2, and the one to shine.

The rest had their moments, but didnt really shine, in my opinion.

See I have this issue with most everyone here, and also when they bring up the 60s take on X-Men.


First and foremost, X2 doesn't let anyone shine but Wolverine? When, during the film, the people who have the most awesome display of powers are actually:

Xavier
Storm
Deathstryke
Jean
Nightcrawler.

All five above mutants have amazing moments where they shine. Storm whipping up tornados and deactivating cerebro. Nightcrawlers one-man attack on the white house. Deathstryker owning Wolverine. Jean holding back the water. Xavier killing everything on the planet.

I feel like because their moments were belabored and turned into corny "Hey look at this kick ass moment," that fans feel that they didn't shine. But if you look at the presentation and how these characters actions affected the plot, you'd see that they CLEARLY shined and really help create the ensemble feel of that film. Yes, Logan motivates a great deal, but it's the X-Men and their journeys, conflicts, and powers that really add the meat and keep it all interesting.



As to the 1960s setting of X-Men, fans just need to get over one simple factor that even their incessant prattling cannot change:

TIME.

Magneto is a product of The Holocaust. It is 2011, the first X-Men films were made in 2001 with an eye for them being narratively timed at 2005ish (not too distant future). The films were already breaching the border of belief when it came to Magneto's age in the present considering he was a 14-year-oldish boy in the holocaust. In the X-Men films, he would be at the very least 65-years old (and that's being VERY generous as I'm saying he and his parents were rounded up not in '38 and '40 like most Jewish victims during this period, and saying they got them in 1942 and he was ten) and that's not something that is Singer's fault. Singer doesn't control time. But I bet fans would rather Singer screw up and move the Holocaust to the 60s rather than have their precious comic continuity tampered with. :whatever:

This is just simple math people. If they made a new rebooted X-Men as some have suggested, the issue would be exacerbated as Magneto would have to be (at best again) 80 years old to exist in our present world. We are just literally outgrowing the timeline of the X-Men since their greatest (and one of the greatest) villains sorta has a contemporary shelf life.

So then, hopping back to tell his story then makes the most sense now, doesn't it? But to do that, you have to fudge other details with the previous movies. You can't have Jean and Cyclops because these characters clearly weren't in their 50s or 60s in X-Men 1, 2, and 3. These are not decisions made out of incompetence or fan spite -- not even by Fox. These are decisions made out pure historical fact and logistics.

Fans just need to get over that because ten years from now, it's gonna be even harder to reconcile these differences and creators will have to get VERY creative in reinventing Magneto's history to keep him relevant to present day timelines.

Oh, and to those who say they should've done a 1980s First Class movie, well that could work. Only a few things:

1) You lose the relevance of the Civil Rights MOvement, something that the X-Men comics themselves were born from.
2) You will only exacerbate attention to Magneto and Xavier's ages, as both men would've gone most their lives without having known one another and be well into their 40s.
3) For Jean and the rest to be say 33 in X-Men 1 and 2, it would have to be 1989, making Magneto and Xavier into their 50s already.

You don't think they had these conversations? They did, and setting it in the 60s with a group of new mutants that are really untrackable agewise was the wisest thing to do.

[Matt Mortem]

Good God I hate that guys artwork

[psyonic]

I love Frank Quitely's artwork :hrt: I've been a fan since New X-Men

[Thundercrack85]

Or, they could just give Magneto some sort of "slower aging" secondary mutant power. There's a few mutants with more than one power.

[bosef982]

Or, they could just give Magneto some sort of "slower aging" secondary mutant power. There's a few mutants with more than one power.

Talked about and yeah, you could but how far can you stretch that really? Especially with Xavier too -- does he have a slower aging ability? I'd buy that Magneto's relationship with EMP fields slows his aging...but Xavier?

It just opens up a whole slew of messy problems.

[Thundercrack85]

Talked about and yeah, you could but how far can you stretch that really? Especially with Xavier too -- does he have a slower aging ability? I'd buy that Magneto's relationship with EMP fields slows his aging...but Xavier?

It just opens up a whole slew of messy problems.


Well, that's true, though, I was never sure how old the professor was supposed to be. But Xavier's backstory isn't linked to any historical event like Magneto's.

Fans probably wouldn't react well to changing Magneto's backstory.

[Loganbabe]

Magneto has definitely been a boring villain in the comics from time to time, especially when he is written as 'the good guy', but I'm more worried about McAvroy's Xavier being boring. I think Fassbender is the better actor of the two.
It's not McAvroy, it's McAvoy.
How many McAvoy films have you seen? TV shows? Plays? Just asking. :whatever:
Xavier won't be boring, there is a wonderful actor playing the character.

[bosef982]

Well, that's true, though, I was never sure how old the professor was supposed to be. But Xavier's backstory isn't linked to any historical event like Magneto's.

Fans probably wouldn't react well to changing Magneto's backstory.

Yeah but as Brothers and Peers, Magneto and Xavier can't be too far off, then Magneto's just another young student or Xavier's just a little brother who thinks better of humans than big bro. Gets messy.

[craigdbfan]

McAvroy is disappoint.

http://geeksyndicate.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/1123-amp-james-mcavoy-a.jpg

McAvoy is a great actor. Watch Atonement. Sure Keira might be kind of annoying but his performance is so solid.

[Loganbabe]

^Lol! Yes, he is! ;)

[Optimus_Prime_]

Well, that's true, though, I was never sure how old the professor was supposed to be. But Xavier's backstory isn't linked to any historical event like Magneto's.

Fans probably wouldn't react well to changing Magneto's backstory.
Magneto has had a number of explanations as to why he is a more youthful than he ought to be. Xavier was always the younger of the two, but Xavier does have a historical event. He's linked to the Korean War pretty strongly through Cain Marko.

[terry78]

Grant Morrison created that Salavtore chick, didn't he?

[def28]

Yeah he did, she was part of the New X Men.

[WildcatNC]

^Lol! Yes, he is! ;)


Something tells me your not checking out his "performance". :woot:



Both McAvoy and Fassbender are great actors. They will be the best part of the film imo.

[Loganbabe]

Something tells me your not checking out his "performance". :woot:
I'll be checking both his "performances", if you know what I mean! :cwink: :woot:
I really think James is a fantastic actor. I found out about him watching "Inside I'm Dancing"; it was all about his acting, not his good looks.

Both McAvoy and Fassbender are great actors. They will be the best part of the film imo.
Agreed. :up:

[WildcatNC]

I'll be checking both his "performances", if you know what I mean! :cwink: :woot:
I really think James is a fantastic actor. I found out about him watching "Inside I'm Dancing"; it was all about his acting, not his good looks.


Agreed. :up:


I got a little fanboy giddy at the scene in the trailer. "Peace was never an option".

Captures them almost perfectly in a few seconds.

[The Guard]

First and foremost, X2 doesn't let anyone shine but Wolverine? When, during the film, the people who have the most awesome display of powers are actually:

Xavier
Storm
Deathstryke
Jean
Nightcrawler.

Yup.

And don't forget Cyclops, who had some awesome power on display. :)

He may have shined in an evil capacity, but he shined. And he had some of the best emotional moments of the trilogy in X2.

[The Original Bamfer]

I would say Jean, Cyclops, Magneto, Mystique, Pyro and Nightcrawler collectively outshined Wolverine. It definitely felt like an ensemble film.

[Kane52630]

I would say Jean, Cyclops, Magneto, Mystique, Pyro and Nightcrawler collectively outshined Wolverine. It definitely felt like an ensemble film.

tell that to the general audience, even to me Wolverine did outshine everybody in X2.

[Hellion]

Gotta say, while I'm excited for all three, after seeing the super bowl spots and the First Class trailer...so far, for now, I feel...

X-Men: First Class > Captain America: The First Avenger > Thor...

...I'm not worried about X-Men and Cap in the slightest, i'm sure they'll be awesome, I'm worried about Thor though...

[Iceman]

That's Frank Quitely's art. He won multiple awards for drawing marshes and mellows... in fact, most of the designs on this film bears a lot of resemblance to his artwork:
I'm not a fan but the panels you posted aren't bad. I didn't like any of the resident or support X-Men artists during that run.

Magneto has definitely been a boring villain in the comics from time to time, especially when he is written as 'the good guy', but I'm more worried about McAvroy's Xavier being boring. I think Fassbender is the better actor of the two.He's also one of the most awesome comic villains ever! I think even more so when he is conflicted with divided loyalties.

Good God I hate that guys artwork
:yay:
tell that to the general audience, even to me Wolverine did outshine everybody in X2.Yeah, he was the guy leading the narrative of the film. Nightcrawler 'outshone' everyone for me in that film though, kind of why I'm cool with Azazel being in this one. Those bamfing teleportation powers are one thing Singer & co got bang on the money.

[Visceral]

Wolverine is just a popular character.

[The Original Bamfer]

And yet this trailer was so satisfying without him. It was like the best Thanksgiving dinner ever. And there wasn't any cranberry sauce. You know why? Cranberry sauce is overrated.

[JP]

Was cranberry sauce rated to begin with?

[WildcatNC]

And yet this trailer was so satisfying without him. It was like the best Thanksgiving dinner ever. And there wasn't any cranberry sauce. You know why? Cranberry sauce is overrated.

I love Logan but even I thought the X-Men were to Wolverine-centric. He's popular enough to carry his own movie so let him.

I love the other X-Men too and want them to get their due as well.

[JP]

From the main page:

How would you rate the X-Men: First Class trailer?


8 out of 10 22.9%
10 out of 10 21%
9 out of 10 18.2%
7 out of 10 14.2%
6 out of 10 8.5%
5 out of 10 4.8%
0 out of 10 3.1%
4 out of 10 2.6%
2 out of 10 2%
3 out of 10 1.5%
1 out of 10 1.1%

Total Votes: 1074

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well...I've been holding my tongue for several days now, but after rewatching the trailer a dozen times (in an effort to brainwash myself into believing I do want to love this film), I'm ready to give my $0.00 on the trailer:

Lightning's Prognosis: It's a mixed bag.

So much right with it, so much very, very wrong with it at the same time.

I found a lot to love...and love less. For example, I like the mix of the new characters; it's grown on me. But without ANY of the classics involved, it feels hollow. Looks like Fassbender and McAvoy will play very nicely off eachother. :up: I appreciate that they used stock footage from the previous X-films to remind viewers of the connections, but the stuff with Alex just really pisses me off to no end. With the exception of Mystique (will someone explain to me again why the f**k is she in this anyway?), the SFX looks fantastic as usual (esp. Angel's fly wings--which are hella cool), as does Fassbender's awesome bulge at the 00:49 mark (yes, I know his endowment has nothing to do with how good/bad this trailer is, but I'm TRYING to find something positive to say here! :cmad: ). Emma Frost looks...okay. Just okay. I expected better effects for her secondary mutation but I see we've still got some residue from the Wolverine film. LOL

But the best thing? The retro placement of this film in the 60s timeline is BRILLIANT. The costuming and overall feel is just so spot on. In fact, this setting is what should have been used for the Fantastic Four films. :up:

I will be there opening night to see it. After all, I am a True Believer, first and foremost. But for the first time ever, I have zero expectations. This has a "What If?" feel to it, so I've decided to just relinquish the idea that this is the X-Men I know, and I will try to just watch the movie within its own context and merits--and not as a X-comic book fan. I have no doubt that Vaughn will deliver a solid movie in terms of quality, but as an X-Men film it has "fail" written all over it, even from the trailer.

EDIT: Accepting this reality in advance, I think, is about the ONLY way I am going to enjoy this movie at all.

[Spidey 2007]

Cranberry sauce is the ****

[psyonic]

Well...I've been holding my tongue for several days now, but after rewatching the trailer a dozen times (in an effort to brainwash myself into believing I do want to love this film), I'm ready to give my $0.00 on the trailer:

Lightning's Prognosis: It's a mixed bag.

So much right with it, so much very, very wrong with it at the same time. I like the mix of the new characters; it's grown on me. But without ANY of the classics involved, it feels hollow. Looks like Fassbender and McAvoy will play brilliantly off eachother. :up: I appreciate that they used stock footage from the previous X-films to remind viewers of the connections, but the stuff with Alex just really pisses me off to no end. With the exception of Mystique (why the f**k is she in this anyway?), the SFX looks fantastic as usual (esp. Angel's fly wings--which are hella cool), as does Fassbender's awesome bulge at the 00:49 mark (yes, I know his endowment has nothing to do with how good/bad this trailer is, but I'm TRYING to find something positive to say here! :cmad: ). Emma Frost looks...okay. But the best thing? The retro placement of this film in the 60s timeline is BRILLIANT. The costuming and overall feel is just so spot on. In fact, this setting is what should have been used for the Fantastic Four films. :up:

I will be there opening night to see it. After all, I am a True Believer, first and foremost. But for the first time ever, I have zero expectations. This has a "What If?" feel to it, so I've decided to just relinquish the idea that this is the X-Men I know, and I will try to just watch the movie within its own context and merits--and not as a X-comic book fan. I think that's about the ONLY way I am going to enjoy this at all.

Good, I'm not the only one ..:awesome:

[Ipodman]

Now I can't unsee it....

[The Original Bamfer]

Wow, Cal. :dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Good, I'm not the only one ..:awesome:

LOL!!!

Hey, let's face it: that thing was out there. I was like, "Okay, maybe I do want to see this film now". :funny:

Which, considering my forum history of defending this franchise, is actually quite sad. :csad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow, Cal. :dry:

Whaaaaaaat now?

[The Original Bamfer]

It looks like an amazing film, regardless of Fassneto's crotch. :huh:

[JP]

I does kinda elevate the awesomeness.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It looks like an amazing film

No. Actually, it doesn't.

regardless of Fassneto's crotch. :huh:


Fassneto's personal submarine did do a lot to push things forward. :cool: I found it quite magnetizing. So, I'll give you that, my friend.

Nothing more! :argh:

[The Original Bamfer]

Yeah, judging by this trailer, it looks like the best film in the series. :up:

[JP]

No, it doesn't.

But Fassneto's personal submarine did do a lot to push things forward. ;)
Well, that's your opinion, of course. Though the positive reaction around the web says most people disagree with you. ;)

[The Original Bamfer]

Let's see, a great director, Bryan Singer being heavily involved, a solid story, a solid script, the best cast an 'X-Men' film has ever had, an amazing crew, and an almost flawless first trailer... Oh, and an added bonus! They seem to be forgetting 'Wolverine' and 'The Last Stand' ever existed. My God. This is literally my dream come true.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Though the positive reaction around the web says most people disagree with you. ;)

Which...means absolutely nothing. :cool:

This is a science now, folks. It's the same standard CBM trailer packaging we always get from FOX. In the past, the best parts of their films are all shown in the trailers and clips released prior to the actual film. So, if Magneto's pulling the sub from the water is the best money shot they've got...we're pretty much f**ked.

However, I do believe that this film will have the most "heart" for an X-film since Bryan's run with the franchise. And probably the best writing. :up:

[JP]

This is a science now, folks. It's the same standard CBM trailer packaging we always get from FOX. In the past, the best parts of their films are all shown in the trailers and clips released prior to the actual film. So, if Magneto's pulling the sub from the water is the best money shot they've got...we're pretty much f**ked.

It's definitely not. :ninja:

[Lightning Strykez!]

the best cast an 'X-Men' film has ever had

Um.

Now that's some bull-shiggity right there. No Marvel ensemble cast will trounce what we had with Patrick, Famke, James, Ian, Halle and Hugh. EVER. :cmad:

They remain the quality standard all CBM films are striving to match. For all of McAvoy's/Fassbender's gloriousness, this film will not come close, I assure you.

[The Original Bamfer]

I don't think we go to an 'X-Men' film for the "money shot". We go because of the characters, the themes, the story and the action. It's all about the package - and I'm not talking about Fassbender's.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's definitely not. :ninja:

Good. I certainly am waiting for more impressive stuff. :up:


I don't think we go to an 'X-Men' film for the "money shot". We go because of the characters, the themes, the story and the action. It's all about the package - and I'm not talking about Fassbender's.

And that storytelling, my dear mod-god, is the only thing that will save this film from total mediocrity in terms of being faithful to this particular Marvel franchise. They've wasted a tremendous opportunity to bring the real "first class" to the silver screen while also cleaning up tragic mistakes (ergo, the death of Scott and other stupidity found in the last 2 X-films) at the same time.

Imagine how much more win-ful this movie would've been if they had simply gone with the characters they have PLUS Scott, Jean and Storm? It would've been soooo much more complete and within continuity of at least the movieverse.

They are f***ing up their own timeline now. Retconning s*** that shouldn't have been done in the first place...AND taking serious liberties (again, the whole Alex Summers thing is disgraceful). It's a gamble to be sure; let's see how well it pays off.

[The Original Bamfer]

Um.

Now that's some bull-shiggity right there. No Marvel ensemble cast will trounce what we had with Patrick, Famke, James, Ian, Halle and Hugh. EVER. :cmad:

They remain the quality standard all CBM films are striving to match. For all of McAvoy's/Fassbender's gloriousness, this film will not come close, I assure you.

James, Famke and Hugh are fine - their performances were good, but they weren't amazing. I'll give you Ian and Pat, of course. But Halle? Please.

Now we have Kevin Bacon, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, January Jones, Jennifer Lawrence, Oliver Platt, Nicholas Hoult - People who have had much recognition for their talent... and I'm sure I'm missing some.

[JP]

Imagine how much more win-ful this movie would've been with the characters they have PLUS Scott, Jean and Storm? It would've been soooo much more complete. It's a gamble to be sure; let's see how well it pays off.
But then we wouldn't get to see the origin of Xavier and Magneto's relationship and demise, which honestly one of the most compelling storyline they could tell.

[The Original Bamfer]

Good. I certainly am waiting for more impressive stuff. :up:



And that storytelling, my dear mod-god, is the only thing that will save this film from total mediocrity in terms of being faithful to this particular Marvel franchise. They've wasted a tremendous opportunity to bring the real "first class" to the silver screen while also cleaning up tragic mistakes (ergo, the death of Scott and other stupidity found in the last 2 X-films) at the same time.

Imagine how much more win-ful this movie would've been if they had simply gone with the characters they have PLUS Scott, Jean and Storm? It would've been soooo much more complete. It's a gamble to be sure; let's see how well it pays off.

This concept makes more sense to me, actually. It completes things more fully. Xavier and Magneto would not just sit around for fifty years until Scott and the others come along - no, **** would happen between then. And this makes perfect sense. I want to see Charles' and Eriks' beginning, their friendship and their falling out. It would totally enrichen the franchise.

[Lightning Strykez!]

James, Famke and Hugh are fine - their performances were good, but they weren't amazing. I'll give you Ian and Pat, of course. But Halle? Please.


Say what you want, but that particular combination of actors was a winning one. And no CBM cast has rivaled it just yet in my opinion.

And Halle, though inconsistent, showed her best side as Storm in X3 (when, ironically everything else around her was so stupid--wasting Jean/Scott, Logan overkill, etc.,). And we won't even get into her star power, which brought legions of non-comic fans to this franchise for good. She played a vital role, none of us can deny that.

Anyway, at least we had Storm. And the other classic characters that ARE the X-Men. All we have here is who? Beast? :csad:


Now we have Kevin Bacon, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, January Jones, Jennifer Lawrence, Oliver Platt, Nicholas Hoult - People who have had much recognition for their talent... and I'm sure I'm missing some.

Kevin Bacon is your biggest star here. Some of the others have reached a status, but certainly on the same par as the actors of the original trilogy. And not one Oscar-Winner among them to boot. Ahem.

Sorry. I couldn't resist. :cool:

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm not talking status, I'm talking talent. Halle clearly lacks the latter. :o

[craigdbfan]

I was sold at Vaughn. :hrt:

Everything from that moment has been gold. Got back from work and I'm back to watching the trailer.

"Peace was never an option"

****ing awesome line.

[Nave 'Torment']

I know right? :D (seriously man, we should start quoting trailers ... it's almost summer).

And holy **** ... this is Jack Kirby year at Marvel Studios isn't it?

[Ipodman]

I know right? :D (seriously man, we should start quoting trailers ... it's almost summer).

And holy **** ... this is Jack Kirby year at Marvel Studios isn't it?

Haha now that you pointed that out, yea it is

[Electrix]

Imagine how much more win-ful this movie would've been if they had simply gone with the characters they have PLUS Scott, Jean and Storm? It would've been soooo much more complete and within continuity of at least the movieverse.

How many main characters do you want in this film? They have the right amount at the moment. Any more and they would be getting about 50 seconds of character development each.

Scott, Jean and Storm are probably being saved for the sequels, which is a great idea. It gives them the opportunity to have their origins explained instead of being secondary plots to Xavier and Magneto's.

[Great Mind(s)]

I betcha you'll see young Jean and possibly Scott at the end. And hopefully Angel if they are totally ignoring X3.

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't see how we can see any of those characters unless this is a full on reboot. Which I wouldn't mind tbh.

[Great Mind(s)]

Okay...not Jean or Scott but Angel perhaps. Ignore X3 but not 1 or 2.

[Ipodman]

I thought we saw shots from the previous X-men movies in the trailer.. so it wont be a reboot? :huh:

[protocida]

No. It's a Preboot. Also know as "Requel".

[Ipodman]

Whatever it is, I don't think the general audiences are so observant or calculative to know the "mistakes".

[chaseter]

I'm not talking status, I'm talking talent. Halle clearly lacks the latter. :o

Wut:huh:

Sorry but you haven't seen this movie yet so how do you know that no one had a bad performance?

I think Halle was a terrible Storm but Halle is a very talented actress...she was just given bad material and her ego clashed with that.

[chaseter]

I betcha you'll see young Jean and possibly Scott at the end. And hopefully Angel if they are totally ignoring X3.

They won't have two people with the name Angel in this film.

[Doc Ock]

I love the trailer, loved how scenes from the past films were incorporated into it. So excited!

[Great Mind(s)]

They won't have two people with the name Angel in this film.

Well they can just call him Warren?

[Nokio]

Well it looks like Fox has won the lot of you over. The mangling of the history and time line is asinine to me. I actually don't mind the film being set in the 60's and the beginning Of Prof X and Mags makes for an interesting movie. The changes just makes me boil cause they are done without a good enough reason. The Hellfire club shouldn't even be there, especially not Frost and Shaw. How in the hell is Emma going to be an Xman now? She is such an interesting character and far from boring. The Hellfire club with Shaw at the helmshould've been involved with the Phoenix. Im not against using the Hellfire club as villains because that organization has been around for a century or two but change the roaster. You got Selene, Sinister, The Shadow King, you know people or mutants(sinister's not technically a mutant) who were actually around during that time. I would complain about the Shadow King not being there when he should cause he's the reason that Charles creates the Xmen, but I guess he can be used in a sequel when Xavier officially creates the Xmen

As for the first mutants Charles looked to have gathered I don't mind Mystique and
Banshee(he was always older then the others) being there and even Beast to a degree cause
he was always the oldest and he stays on when Jean and Scott comes and makes the actual
first class so that's good. Those new mutants Darwin and Angel Salvadore are fine cause they don't have much history in the comics so using and making them
interesting is fine.

Now Alex Summers is a problem. There is no reason what so ever for Alex to be there and
making him Scott's father although not confirmed but will likely be the case does nothing to
further the story or make it easier for adapting to the big screen. Alex is the brother pure and
simple. They do not or have never had the same d@mn powers. The only similarity between
them is that they are both energy generating mutants. If they wanted to use Scott's father in
some way they could have just used his real one.

Christopher Summers could been made a mutant and have similar abilities to Scott. That is a logical adaption and change to better adapt a story if they wanted to show a connection with Scott and Prof X somehow taking Scott under his wing as a son cause he failed with his father. All that space pirate and star jammer backstory is something that won't fit into the movie verse and makes it acceptable altering his history

I just really wish Marvel would get the rites back or at least take Fox to court to have some type of control over their characters like JK Rowling does with her Potter characters. Can u imagine if she just sold the rites and had no control? Harry would probably American. I just don't like the direction of the Xmen by Fox. It's not for me but others may welcome the mix up.

[Optimus_Prime_]

I was sold at Vaughn. :hrt:

Everything from that moment has been gold. Got back from work and I'm back to watching the trailer.

"Peace was never an option"

****ing awesome line.
Really?!? That was my least favorite part of the trailer (aside from the flashbacks/forwards). I found the line to be too cliche'. It seems from the trailer that Magneto was the original "Wolverine" of the team.
Whatever it is, I don't think the general audiences are so observant or calculative to know the "mistakes".
No. It's a Preboot. Also know as "Requel".
It's definitely somewhere between a prequel and a reboot. The other thing about it is I really won't be surprised if Scott and Jean become part of this franchise. They were in previous script(s), and in the end it's all about money, not about how accurate they are in regards to old films. The previous movies were not tied to a fixed time period, and we've already seen them willfully screw with it, so I won't be surprised to see characters return. I definitely won't be surprised if they re-use X3 characters. James Bond eventually abandoned it's continuity, and once you get to 5 films who gives a crap.

[JP]

I think Halle was a terrible Storm but Halle is a very talented actress...she was just given bad material and her ego clashed with that.
Well then I guess she's only ever starred in movies with "bad material". :csad:

[Project862006]

yes she got that Oscar with zero talent

[JP]

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[Figs]

I really wish people would try to judge this film or the trailer with the actual mind of a film fan/buff. Instead people think the movie is going to be bad or "fail" because they swapped characters around. If that pissed people off, then they shouldn't have enjoyed X-men or X2.

Everyone has the right to complain, but the things fans should be worrying about are runtime, the script and the acting(which I think will be fine with the two leads we have).

I just don't get how the fanboy type of complaints(regarding this character shouldn't be in this movie yet)will mean the movies going to suck.

On another note, it would be nice to have a poll to see how many people like or dislike this so far.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Let's see, a great director, Bryan Singer being heavily involved, a solid story, a solid script, the best cast an 'X-Men' film has ever had, an amazing crew, and an almost flawless first trailer... Oh, and an added bonus! They seem to be forgetting 'Wolverine' and 'The Last Stand' ever existed. My God. This is literally my dream come true.

I gotta disagree with you on most of this, even though I'm still looking forward to the film.

Vaughn is not a great director. He's good - at best, but nothing extraordinary and certainly not as promising as Singer was circa Usual Suspects.

The script/story may sound solid to you (since you seem to know more than others about it) but execution means everything and we're still 4 months away from seeing it. So that's an assumption. While comic book fans loved Kick-Ass, non-fans didn't - so my expectations in Vaughn's ability to pull this off are not 100%.

This is by no means "The Best Cast" an X movie has ever had. Even the craptastic Origins had a better line-up: Jackman, Schreiber, Huston and Reynolds.

The trilogy also had much better ensembles:

X3: Kelsey Grammer as Beast, Stewart, Jackman, Janssen, McKellen, Berry, Ben Foster (small part but its Ben Foster) and Vinnie Jones (meaningless part but its Vinnie Jones).

X2: Stewart, Jackman, Brian Cox, McKellen, Paquin, Janssen, Romijn...

X-Men: Jackman, Paquin, Stewart, McKellen, Bruce Davison, Janssen...

First Class: Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence. That's it. McAvoy is good but has done some pretty questionable films. He's still growing though. Bacon is good but not a godsend. Aside from Fassbender and Lawrence, everyone else is average or unknown and unproven - so how can they amount to "The Best Cast" in an X-Men movie so far?

The Trailer was good and I'm glad Singer got his hands dirty with The X-Men again (he never shoulda ran off to do Superman) but this isn't a sure bet just yet. I'm watching it, but I got my reservations nonetheless.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Nope, I sat there in the theater and I was embaressed watching it. Just horrible.

So I see you didn't actually watch the link I posted. The link was to the Comic Con trailer for Origins (which you couldn't have seen in theaters because it wasn't released in theatres) and if you actually watch it you'll hear a few hundred purists extremely satisfied with that trailer from beginning to end.

Origins was horrible but I can admit the trailers weren't. I hope First Class lives up to this Trailer.

[protocida]

Kick-Ass was liked by the public as well.

[c-saw]

While comic book fans loved Kick-Ass, non-fans didn't

Get your facts checked mate ... they're wrong.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Get your facts checked mate ... they're wrong.

while it may have banked, it didn't live up to Vaughn's previous films critically (and I couldn't agree more).

[protocida]

No one cares about the critics.

[c-saw]

while it may have banked, it didn't live up to Vaughn's previous films critically (and I couldn't agree more).

Again ... check your facts mate. They're wrong. Or maybe you're just extrapolating based solely on your ratings of the movies but either way kick-ass was his most well received film to date. A quick trip to IMDB should enlighten you.

[Alexei Belyakov]

No one cares about the critics.

Sorry to hear that.

[protocida]

It's OK. Everybody commits mistakes.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Again ... check your facts mate. They're wrong. Or maybe you're just extrapolating based solely on your ratings of the movies but either way kick-ass was his most well received film to date. A quick trip to IMDB should enlighten you.

Layer Cake is his most critically well-received film to date. It was fresh, he was fresh and very few in the film community (critics, yes) had a problem with it. Kick-Ass was a mixed bag. Some liked it for its message (whatever that may have been) others as myself felt it was pointless and designed solely to please comic book fans with an appetite for blood.

[Alexei Belyakov]

It's OK. Everybody commits mistakes.

What else don't you believe in, The Oscars?

[protocida]

What else don't you believe in, The Oscars?
The Oscars are cool.

The BAFTAs on the other hand... http://absurdity.biz/ShiftyEyes.gif

[Alexei Belyakov]

The Oscars are cool.

The BAFTAs on the other hand... http://absurdity.biz/ShiftyEyes.gif

I agree with you there. Geoffrey Rush winning over Chris Bale. Bollocks.

[Whiskey Tango]

I thought we saw shots from the previous X-men movies in the trailer.. so it wont be a reboot? :huh:

Trailers have shots all the time that don't end up in the finished film. Those could be there just to allow viewers to identify the characters more easily.

I know they've said over and over this isn't a reboot, but there's no better time to try and make a clean break from the previous films if they wish and if First Class is a success it can easily become it's own beast anyway. At that point I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in a young Scott or Jean.

[c-saw]

Layer Cake is his most critically well-received film to date. It was fresh, he was fresh and very few in the film community (critics, yes) had a problem with it. Kick-Ass was a mixed bag. Some liked it for its message (whatever that may have been) others as myself felt it was pointless and designed solely to please comic book fans with an appetite for blood.

how you feel changes little about how it was received. Most people (critics and regular moviegoers) really enjoyed it while some of the critics hated it for moral reasons (making their reviews worthless).

And you're wrong about the movie being made to please comic book fans. Yes, they were the main audience but some of the changes made to the movie upset some purists yet made the overall movie more accessible for normal audiences.

The point of the movie was simply to be fun - it achieved that goal and that is reflected in the great reviews it received and the fact that REGULAR MOVIEGOERS not just comic book fans enjoyed it. Not only that but most reviews admitted he upped his game as a director with kick-ass.

[Alexei Belyakov]

The point of the movie was simply to be fun.

There's the problem. The Rush Hour movies are fun. The Fantastic Four movies are fun. Indiana Jones 4 was fun.

Real movies aren't made for fun. Popcorn movies (I believe is the appropriate term) are made for fun.

Layer Cake was a real movie and hopefully this one will be too.

[c-saw]

There's the problem. The Rush Hour movies are fun. The Fantastic Four movies are fun. Indiana Jones 4 was fun.

Real movies aren't made for fun. Popcorn movies (I believe is the appropriate term) are made for fun.

Layer Cake was a real movie and hopefully this one will be too.


last time I checked movies were a form of entertainment. If you're expecting every movie to have a message you might be watching them for the wrong reasons. Besides, there were some "points" to be gotten from kick-ass but that wasn't the movie's intended purpose.

And it's funny you mention the fantastic 4 as a movie that was fun. Last time I checked kick-ass was a comic book movie too yet it seems to be subjected to different rules in your case.

And it was more than a popcorn movie. Unlike them it had well developed characters that the audience could care about.

Bottom line: think what you want about the movie that won't change the facts:

- most people (critics and regular moviegoers not just comic book fans) enjoyed kick-ass
- most reviews acknowledged that Vaughn improved his skills as a director with kick-ass, which he received a lot of praise for. As a consequence one of the main reason some people are looking forward to this movie is because he is directing

You can keep on disagreeing all you want that won't change. Period.

[protocida]

There's the problem. The Rush Hour movies are fun. The Fantastic Four movies are fun. Indiana Jones 4 was fun.

Real movies aren't made for fun. Popcorn movies (I believe is the appropriate term) are made for fun.

Layer Cake was a real movie and hopefully this one will be too.
Oh, you're one of those people... :dry:

[Matt Mortem]

Movies should be fun, regardless. Otherwise, why go to them? I had fun when I saw The Kings Speech, I had fun when I saw Black Swan too. Films entertain and should be "fun"

[Whiskey Tango]

lol I slept thru Layer Cake. Love Stardust and Kick-Ass tho.

[Doctor Jones]

And yet this trailer was so satisfying without him. It was like the best Thanksgiving dinner ever. And there wasn't any cranberry sauce. You know why? Cranberry sauce is overrated.

Or rather, cranberry sauce isn't needed.

So I see you didn't actually watch the link I posted. The link was to the Comic Con trailer for Origins (which you couldn't have seen in theaters because it wasn't released in theatres) and if you actually watch it you'll hear a few hundred purists extremely satisfied with that trailer from beginning to end.

Origins was horrible but I can admit the trailers weren't. I hope First Class lives up to this Trailer.

I saw the Comic Con trailer. I'll admit, I did like it upon first viewing. Then again, it must have been my excitement, since it was the first camcorder blurry footage. There's always an exctiement level to that. There are some great lines in the film.

I still do like the "I'm gonna cut your goddamn head off. See if that works." line.

[DarkSovereignty]

There's the problem. The Rush Hour movies are fun. The Fantastic Four movies are fun. Indiana Jones 4 was fun.

Real movies aren't made for fun. Popcorn movies (I believe is the appropriate term) are made for fun.

Layer Cake was a real movie and hopefully this one will be too.
this post is full of so much fail i may develop cancer from it.

[Mulholland '49]

I think non-comic fans liked Kick Ass more than comic fans actually.

[craigdbfan]

I really wish people would try to judge this film or the trailer with the actual mind of a film fan/buff. Instead people think the movie is going to be bad or "fail" because they swapped characters around. If that pissed people off, then they shouldn't have enjoyed X-men or X2.

Everyone has the right to complain, but the things fans should be worrying about are runtime, the script and the acting(which I think will be fine with the two leads we have).

I just don't get how the fanboy type of complaints(regarding this character shouldn't be in this movie yet)will mean the movies going to suck.

On another note, it would be nice to have a poll to see how many people like or dislike this so far.

Agree completely.

Those are the determining factors on whether one will essentially like the film. Continuity is important but from a franchise that was the second reinvigoration of the super hero film and that has gone through three directors and now going to be four with Matthew Vaughn and soon to be fifth with Aronofsky. So I'd say they aren't doing all that bad with continuity when taking all those things into consideration.

Plus Origins was a prom night dumpster baby and The Last Stand while I really, really enjoyed it, most fans would rather not have it be part of canon anyway.

First Class is already shaping up to be a better movie than the one's mentioned in the former.

[Darkness Falls]

Agree completely.
Plus Origins was a prom night dumpster baby .

LMAO :awesome:

[Doc Ock]

No one cares about the critics.

I sure don't! :D

[Loganbabe]

First Class: Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence. That's it. McAvoy is good but has done some pretty questionable films. He's still growing though.
What? :cmad:
I'm sorry, but it seems you now nothing about McAvoy's career. Which questionable films, pray tell? Just don't go saying "questionable films" as if you're a serious connoisseur of his work as an actor and still you don't say what films you're talking about. Because you've never seen them, obviously.

Just a short list for you - "Inside I'm Dancing" / "Shakespeare ReTold - Macbeth" / "Starter for 10" / "The Last King of Scotland' / "Atonement" / "Wanted" / "The Last Station" / "The Conspirator" (directed by Redford). Yeah, pretty questionable films. Oh, let me guess, you're going to say "Wanted"! :whatever:

But the precious Fassbender...oh yes, the guy has only acted in masterpieces like "Jonah Hex", "Centurion", "300" (I don't care what the fanboys say, I hate that stupid movie!)...

I'm getting tired with all these stupid comparisons between two great actors. Fassbender is a god now because he did some stuff that pleased the fanboys, McAvoy is a piece of **** because his career is more centered in smaller, independent films, British productions and dramas? I'm not even going to talk about McAvoy's great work in theater, and how he was nominated for an Olivier award last year for "Three Days of Rain" (which I had the chance to see, and yeah, ****ing brilliant), or his almost Academy Award nomination for "Atonement", or the injustice of his non-nomination as supporting (even though he WAS the main character) for "The Last King...", or all the awards he did win for those roles. Do a little research before you say things like "questionable films". :o

Aside from Fassbender and Lawrence, everyone else is average or unknown and unproven
Jennifer Lawrence did one film that was acclaimed, but yeah, it's quite clear she's brilliant and so, so much more talented when compared to the average (unknown? unproven?) McAvoy. :whatever:

Whatever. You're allowed to prefer one actor to the other, of course, but not to be unfair to the actor you're not too fond of, based on you misconceptions and not facts. I prefer McAvoy to Fassbender ten times more, from what I know of both actors, but it would be stupid and unfair to question Fassbender's talent. But I guess that with McAvoy, it's allowed.

[JP]

I'd just ignore Alexei. Has no idea what they're talking about.

McAvoy isn't a great actor? Romjin and Vinnie Jones are? Kick-Ass wasn't loved by audiences?

What in the world.

[craigdbfan]

Anyone questioning McAvoy's level of acting probably means they have a problem catching those key subtleties in brilliant performances.

[craigdbfan]

Anyone have a good youtube link of the First Class trailer.

[JP]

Anyone have a good youtube link of the First Class trailer.
You remember the trailer premiered on youtube right? :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbHykKUfTM

[craigdbfan]

Wow I'm a giblet head I meant the music from the trailer.

I believe Henry Pryce Jackman did it specifically for the trailer but I've had no luck in just finding that song with searching on YT.

Sorry for completely omitting a part of my phrasing. lol

[craigdbfan]

Damn can't find a good quality one anywhere. Apparently Henry Jackman didn't do it but Methodic Doubt & Kopius Few did it and its called "Half the Man".

But can't find a good quality anywhere.

Why is this so hard to find. :funny:

[JP]

So many conflicting reports!

[Darkness Falls]

mlCt0_GuKqs

[chaseter]

Plus Origins was a prom night dumpster baby and The Last Stand while I really, really enjoyed it, most fans would rather not have it be part of canon anyway.


Bahahahahaha:awesome:

[Loganbabe]

Anyone questioning McAvoy's level of acting probably means they have a problem catching those key subtleties in brilliant performances.
Exactly. :up:

[Project862006]

Fassbender and Lawrence(who only has 1 stand out performance) are only good actors in the film?

yeah i cant wait to check out the performance of that new upstart performer oliver platt hear he might break out soon

heard of that kevin bacon fellow hear he might break that glass ceiling

oh rose byrne as well that 1st time performer might have her chance to shine

:lmao:

[bosef982]

I really wish people would try to judge this film or the trailer with the actual mind of a film fan/buff. Instead people think the movie is going to be bad or "fail" because they swapped characters around. If that pissed people off, then they shouldn't have enjoyed X-men or X2.

Everyone has the right to complain, but the things fans should be worrying about are runtime, the script and the acting(which I think will be fine with the two leads we have).

I just don't get how the fanboy type of complaints(regarding this character shouldn't be in this movie yet)will mean the movies going to suck.

On another note, it would be nice to have a poll to see how many people like or dislike this so far.
Thanks -- sense

[JP]

another note, it would be nice to have a poll to see how many people like or dislike this so far.Around the internet the reaction is definitely overwhelmingly positive, which is surprising given the utter disdain and pure vile from the fanbase leading up to the trailer.

Here's an MTV poll:
I loved it! This gives me a good feeling about the movie. 70.3%

I'm still undecided about this one... 24.52%

Yuck! Not a fan. 5.18%


SHH Poll:


8 out of 10 21.3%
10 out of 10 21.1%
9 out of 10 18.5%
7 out of 10 14%
6 out of 10 8%
5 out of 10 5%
0 out of 10 3.6%
4 out of 10 3%
2 out of 10 2.1%
3 out of 10 1.9%
1 out of 10 1.7%


On YouTube the trailer has:
20295 Likes
831 Dislikes

[WildcatNC]

Around the internet the reaction is definitely overwhelmingly positive, which is surprising given the utter disdain and pure vile from the fanbase leading up to the trailer.

Here's an MTV poll:
I loved it! This gives me a good feeling about the movie. 70.3%

I'm still undecided about this one... 24.52%

Yuck! Not a fan. 5.18%


SHH Poll:


8 out of 10 21.3%
10 out of 10 21.1%
9 out of 10 18.5%
7 out of 10 14%
6 out of 10 8%
5 out of 10 5%
0 out of 10 3.6%
4 out of 10 3%
2 out of 10 2.1%
3 out of 10 1.9%
1 out of 10 1.7%


On YouTube the trailer has:
20295 Likes
831 Dislikes


The GA loves the X-Men. Even the divided fanboys and fangirls will have their *** in the seat when it comes out as well.

[craigdbfan]

When this trailer gets attatched to movies, the ones in the US at least will be full of people cheering and getting excited for the next X-Men movie, especially when quality is oozing at every seam of this trailer IMO.

[JP]

When this trailer gets attatched to movies, the ones in the US at least will be full of people cheering and getting excited for the next X-Men movie, especially when quality is oozing at every seam of this trailer IMO.

Yeah, even the Wolverine trailer got great reactions when I saw it in theaters. :/

People love dem some X-Men.

[craigdbfan]

mlCt0_GuKqs

Thanks dude but that one still sounds a little messed up because of them trying to edit the voices out of the trailer. Thanks anyways though. :up: :)

Yeah, even the Wolverine trailer got great reactions when I saw it in theaters. :/

People love dem some X-Men.

Thats true. It allowed me to throw a couple of snide remarks out but most people were really digging it, little did they know what they were in for. Although I've talked to some folk at work who think its one of the "greatest" comic book movies of all time.

I mean if you're gonna like an X-Men movie make it one of the good ones. Although I can't be a hypocrite as I actually really like X3 and a lot of fans don't like it. I understand all the problems it has but even then I always seem to enjoy myself when watching it.

At least Last Stand had solid CGI and performances while Origins was just so shoddy in so many ways.

I think Gavin Hood really just wanted to give us the origins of Wolverines jacket more than anything.

[WildcatNC]

Gavin Hood


:wall:

[Monsieur Xavier]

I liked the trailer, it is one of my fav between Thor and Captain America.

So Charles and Erik hired a pixie mutant streeper ? Kinky :)

[merbass]

:wall:

I have a doubt it's entire Hood's fault. You must heard how much the suits intervened the shootings ! The whole movie is a mess !

[The Original Bamfer]

I'm assuming she's an exotic dancer for the Hellfire Club and Shaw is trying to get Xavier and Magneto to join.

[craigdbfan]

That's what I imagined.

[merbass]

Of all the Charles's student, you do not see Banshee that much in the trailer. I hope he is feature more in the final trailer. Remember X3's effect turns out to be so much better than the trailer especially the storm spinning at Jean's house sequence.

Cant wait to see it at the cinema. Perhaps late March ?

[Spider-Fan83]

most people have speculated that it was suppose to be, Banshee, diving into the water...

I just hope, they don't use an underwater scene as a visional representation to his flying, instead of actually flying.... or perhaps they purposely choose the diving underwater scene for the trailer as a hint to his flying...?

[Alexei Belyakov]

this post is full of so much fail i may develop cancer from it.

Hey man, if you liked those movies more power to ya' :cwink:

[Alexei Belyakov]

What? :cmad:
I'm sorry, but it seems you now nothing about McAvoy's career. Which questionable films, pray tell? Just don't go saying "questionable films" as if you're a serious connoisseur of his work as an actor and still you don't say what films you're talking about. Because you've never seen them, obviously.

Just a short list for you - "Inside I'm Dancing" / "Shakespeare ReTold - Macbeth" / "Starter for 10" / "The Last King of Scotland' / "Atonement" / "Wanted" / "The Last Station" / "The Conspirator" (directed by Redford). Yeah, pretty questionable films. Oh, let me guess, you're going to say "Wanted"! :whatever:

But the precious Fassbender...oh yes, the guy has only acted in masterpieces like "Jonah Hex", "Centurion", "300" (I don't care what the fanboys say, I hate that stupid movie!)...

I'm getting tired with all these stupid comparisons between two great actors. Fassbender is a god now because he did some stuff that pleased the fanboys, McAvoy is a piece of **** because his career is more centered in smaller, independent films, British productions and dramas? I'm not even going to talk about McAvoy's great work in theater, and how he was nominated for an Olivier award last year for "Three Days of Rain" (which I had the chance to see, and yeah, ****ing brilliant), or his almost Academy Award nomination for "Atonement", or the injustice of his non-nomination as supporting (even though he WAS the main character) for "The Last King...", or all the awards he did win for those roles. Do a little research before you say things like "questionable films". :o


Jennifer Lawrence did one film that was acclaimed, but yeah, it's quite clear she's brilliant and so, so much more talented when compared to the average (unknown? unproven?) McAvoy. :whatever:

Whatever. You're allowed to prefer one actor to the other, of course, but not to be unfair to the actor you're not too fond of, based on you misconceptions and not facts. I prefer McAvoy to Fassbender ten times more, from what I know of both actors, but it would be stupid and unfair to question Fassbender's talent. But I guess that with McAvoy, it's allowed.

Okay, so I've been following your posts and you seem to go off on pretty much anyone who dares question the "brilliance" of McAvoy's acting skills. You even corrected someone on here for mispelling his name :awesome:

Well, you should know I have seen all the aforementioned films (The Last Station being my fav) and I still don't think McAvoy is stellar. He's good and as I said earlier - still evolving. He's for me a person that needs more time to grow. Fassbender is more seasoned and commands more presence which is clearly why Vaughn made him "The Connery" of this film.

Jennifer Lawrence in her simplistic almost one-man-show that was Winter's Bone, did more for me than McAvoy has ever done in all his [supporting] roles.

Also, comments like

or his almost Academy Award nomination for "Atonement", or the injustice of his non-nomination as supporting (even though he WAS the main character) for "The Last King..."

Don't exactly make you seem like a very reasonable person :cwink:

But even after your post, I'm still looking forward to seeing what he does with Charles, specially after the solid delivery of that line at the end of the trailer.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I think Gavin Hood really just wanted to give us the origins of Wolverines jacket more than anything.

Love this.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Anyone questioning McAvoy's level of acting probably means they have a problem catching those key subtleties in brilliant performances.
I'm sure he's a good actor, but he's not selling me as Xavier, not in the way Fassbender is selling me as Magneto. Patrick Stewart has a really commanding presence, he takes up a lot of room onscreen even when he's just chewing the scenery. McAvoy kind of bores me, and before you go on about "subtleties", I'm sure the action movie he's been cast in will be short on those.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm sure he's a good actor, but he's not selling me as Xavier, not in the way Fassbender is selling me as Magneto. Patrick Stewart has a really commanding presence, he takes up a lot of room onscreen even when he's just chewing the scenery. McAvoy kind of bores me, and before you go on about "subtleties", I'm sure the action movie he's been cast in will be short on those.

Agreed. Stewart is an icon. The guy can sell some of the most convulated dialogue ever written. McAvoy has GIGANTIC shoes to fill.

[The Original Bamfer]

He's an actor, not an imitator.

[X-Maniac]

Not entirely sure i like McAvoy's restrained, whispery voice in the chess scene of the trailer but the trailer, as a whole, is good.

The continuity and changes from source are now giving me a headache, and i think most gripes and grumbles have been covered. I just want them to deliver a great X-Men movie and for the studio to learn its lesson over allowing enough time...

[JP]

I feel like the only person who has never been the slightest bit confused or given a headache. :huh:

[Optimus_Prime_]

Not entirely sure i like McAvoy's restrained, whispery voice in the chess scene of the trailer but the trailer, as a whole, is good.
I'm not really sure I like it either. His voice and his manuerisms don't really work for me as Xavier. Patrick Stewart was perfect for the role on multiple levels, it wasn't just his appearances, it was his ability to really sell the character. Xavier, IMO, is a very hard role to pull off because of his perchant for long, boring speeches, and his ability to seem commanding and strong while trapped in a weak, bald, handicapped body. Patrick was perfect because he played an incredibly manly character when he played Picard, but if was a very unconventional man's man (I actually always liked Stewie Griffin's description of him). McAvoy just doesn't scream Xavier for me, even in an off the wall type way. Honestly, I think I would've cast Jude Law as Xavier

[The Original Bamfer]

Jude Law is terrible.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Jude Law is terrible.
How so? He's usually good even when the movie he is in sucks.

[X-Maniac]

I feel like the only person who has never been the slightest bit confused or given a headache. :huh:

I doubt that.

Comparing it with the comics is a minefield of changes, accentuated as each film bases itself partly on the preceding ones.

And, of course, the films themselves have continuity changes. Four different directors, several sets of writers.

Surely you understand this?

[JP]

I doubt that.

Comparing it with the comics is a minefield of changes, accentuated as each film bases itself partly on the preceding ones.

And, of course, the films themselves have continuity changes. Four different directors, several sets of writers.

Surely you understand this?
I understand that, though I fail to see your point?

[The Original Bamfer]

I think JP said he's not confused. :huh:

[X-Maniac]

I think JP said he's not confused. :huh:

He did. And neither am I. I was pointing out that there have been a lot of changes from comics, and between films, and that some people don't like it - or have now had enough of it.

[Project862006]

if mcavoy was just like stewart's xavier there would be no progression what so ever

james said it himself he wants to show the progression from this xavier to eventually turn to Stewart's xavier you know that little thing called character development

[X-Maniac]

I understand that, though I fail to see your point?

See above. I answered to TOB, who seemed to leap in defensively...

[X-Maniac]

if mcavoy was just like stewart's xavier there would be no progression what so ever

james said it himself he wants to show the progression from this xavier to eventually turn to Stewart's xavier you know that little thing called character development

I have no problem with character development. Anyone here who's old enough to reflect on their teens and 20s knows how different their lives/values/outlook were.

Plus, this film is set in the swinging 60s when sexual freedom developed (and anything nasty caught as a result could be cleared up with a penicillin tablet!)

[Loganbabe]

Okay, so I've been following your posts and you seem to go off on pretty much anyone who dares question the "brilliance" of McAvoy's acting skills. You even corrected someone on here for mispelling his name :awesome:
So allow me to correct you again - it's not "brilliance", it's brilliance. :o
And I'm not correcting people, I'm stating a fact - he's very much considered one of the most brilliant young actors from the last few years. And it's not me who's saying this. If you search for articles and reviews mentioning his acting skills, you'll see how much he's appreciated, even sometimes being considered the best thing of the films he's in. It's easy - just google his name and later tell me if you can find another young actor who has received the same amount of praise James has received for his work in films, television and theater.
Well, apart for fanboys, that is, who seem to have a strange and inexplicable hatred towards him.

Well, you should know I have seen all the aforementioned films (The Last Station being my fav) and I still don't think McAvoy is stellar.
I very much doubt you have seen The Conspirator, since it hasn't been released to the general public yet. :whatever: Actually, I'm sorry, I very much doubt you've seen all the films I mentioned, or you wouldn't be calling them "questionable".

Fassbender is more seasoned and commands more presence which is clearly why Vaughn made him "The Connery" of this film.
More seasoned how? What does it mean? That he has acted in more crappy films? :huh:
I guess you read Fassbender's interview here at the Hype, seeing you're such a fan. I guess you know too that McAvoy was the first actor confirmed for First Class. Of course, because it lookeded like a brilliant idea to both Vaughn and Singer to have an actor who's not stellar or has no presence or is still "getting there" as the protagonist of one of the biggest franchises ever. :whatever: Anyway, back to Fassbender, what he said was how McAvoy was one of the biggest dawns that made him read the script and later join the project, and how he's a big fan of McAvoy's work. I believe much more in the opinion of another actor than whatever ******** the fanboys have to say about James. With Angelina Jolie it was the same, she mentioned in an interview she knew McAvoy had been called to do Wanted and that's why she decided to read the script, because if he was part of it it was at least an interesting project.
Again, I'm not inventing all this because I'm a delusional fan, as you seem to think; you can google all this info if you want.

Jennifer Lawrence in her simplistic almost one-man-show that was Winter's Bone, did more for me than McAvoy has ever done in all his [supporting] roles.
This comment makes me 100% sure you know almost nothing about his films and his roles.

Also, comments like (The Last King of Scotland) don't exactly make you seem like a very reasonable person :cwink:
Huh? :huh: No, really, please explain how am I unreasonable, since it was the director of TLKoS himself who said James deserved much more praises than what he got for the film, and he was the de facto protagonist, and not Whitaker? Notice he wasn't putting Whitaker down, of course, he just noticed that McAvoy was unfairly treated, being an unknown young actor.

But even after your post, I'm still looking forward to seeing what he does with Charles, specially after the solid delivery of that line at the end of the trailer.
I'm glad you're willing to give him a chance. :o

[Project862006]

how is fassbender more seasoned James started acting in 95 and fassebender in 01 both were discovered in the states around the same time

Fassbender with 300 in 06 and Mcavoy with Narnia in 05

[Iceman]

I think the Fassbender/McAvoy debate comes down to street cred more than acting ability. On the one hand Fassbender played an ultra-ripped, never-surrender, elite Spartan soldier in 300 who died for king & country... while McAvoy played a silly animal who had a silly chat with a little girl in a Narnia film! :woot:

[c-saw]

I think the Fassbender/McAvoy debate comes down to street cred more than acting ability. On the one hand Fassbender played an ultra-ripped, never-surrender, elite Spartan soldier in 300 who died for king & country... while McAvoy played a silly animal who had a silly chat with a little girl in a Narnia film! :woot:

McAvoy brilliantly played athe lead in The last king of scotland while Fassbender played a generic character in a comic book movie. Street cred accounts for much but as far as acting goes mcAvoy has proven himself way more.

[Loganbabe]

Well, before Narnia James was a street-wise thief in Shameless, and a cocky journalist in State of Play. Then he was an arrogant, disabled punk kid in "Inside I'm Dancing" and a murderous chef in "Macbeth".
Guess those are street cred enough...

[Project862006]

McAvoy brilliantly played athe lead in The last king of scotland while Fassbender played a generic character in a comic book movie. Street cred accounts for much but as far as acting goes mcAvoy has proven himself way more.

yeah but he also has this film
http://brantleypalmer.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/hunger-poster-2.jpg

[Iceman]

C'mon people, I wasn't even making any attempt to hide that I was joking! :woot:

I don't get why there's a McAvoy Vs Fassbender air to things here. They're on the same team!! :yay: Well they aren't but you get what I mean. :cmad:

[Loganbabe]

I think the majority here agrees that Fassbender is a pretty good actor who starred in pretty good films, even if he has been part of some really bad ones too.
It's McAvoy's acting talent that is always being disputed. :(

[Project862006]

why would it atonement and last king of Scotland is more than enough proof of his talents

[Matt Mortem]

I like em both soooo the whole debate doesn't make much sense to me

[c-saw]

yeah but he also has this film
http://brantleypalmer.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/hunger-poster-2.jpg

looks interesting. I'll check it out

[Iceman]

I think the majority here agrees that Fassbender is a pretty good actor who starred in pretty good films, even if he has been part of some really bad ones too.
It's McAvoy's acting talent that is always being disputed. :(It's simply because he hasn't appeared in enough mainstream films. He'll get the recognition he deserves soon enough, hopefully from this!

[The Original Bamfer]

I've never been concerned with McAvoy's talent.

[JP]

I'd say the "worst" actor in the film is January Jones, but even she has an Emmy nomination.

[Project862006]

i would'nt say that i would say lucas till and zoe kravitz would be worse but they are more unproven

[Loganbabe]

Oi, I forgot to mention Children of Dune's Leto II among McAvoy's street creds! :woot:
Why not? Son of Muad'Dib rocked those Dune sands! :awesome:

[Mulholland '49]

I haven't seen the Banshee kid in anything, but I'm guessing Zoe Kravitz will be the weakest link.

[samsnee]

Oh for sure, assuming she's in it for more than just a couple of scenes.

[Ipodman]

I admit I remember Havok from the Hannah Montana Movie

[Mulholland '49]

I've only seen interviews with him and some clips. I was expecting a Justin Timberlake type but... I think my balls dropped when I heard his deep voice. :dry:

[JP]

Crazy, cause so did his, hence the voice!

[Marvel]

Agreed. Stewart is an icon. The guy can sell some of the most convulated dialogue ever written. McAvoy has GIGANTIC shoes to fill.

They said the same thing about a young Robert DeNiro playing a junior Vito Corleone after icon Marlon Brando nailed the part in The Godfather. Sure we're talking upper echelon acting but DeNiro didn't do a Brando impersonation. He simply played the part. McAvoy is a very talented young actor that has many bright days ahead.

[badbaby]

hi i`m new here.

re: magneto`s helmet being `gifted`by s. shaw

do you think it`s a `perk`offered to magneto so that he might be enticed to join the hellfire club? i think he used to be a member of the hellfire club, if i`m not mistaken.

do you think he is given the helmet at least in part to dispel initial feelings of mistrust that he may have for feeling at risk of being telepathically manipulated by emma? maybe they give it to him so that he can attain a comfort level and warm up to the group.

they seem awful friendly, giving him such a powerful defensive weapon. if `charlie-boy`and erik are there being entertained at the hellfire club, i think this might be a reasonable interpretation. after all, this is before any of them have `chosen sides`.

anybody think so?

when do i get to have a picture under my name?

[Legion]

hi i`m new here.

re: magneto`s helmet being `gifted`by s. shaw

do you think it`s a `perk`offered to magneto so that he might be enticed to join the hellfire club? i think he used to be a member of the hellfire club, if i`m not mistaken.

do you think he is given the helmet at least in part to dispel initial feelings of mistrust that he may have for feeling at risk of being telepathically manipulated by emma? maybe they give it to him so that he can attain a comfort level and warm up to the group.

they seem awful friendly, giving him such a powerful defensive weapon. if `charlie-boy`and erik are there being entertained at the hellfire club, i think this might be a reasonable interpretation. after all, this is before any of them have `chosen sides`.

anybody think so?

when do i get to have a picture under my name?

From what we've heard about Shaw so far, he is a schemer and a manipulator. His mutant power and charm helps him get his way and he's acquired great wealth because of it.

He has ambition to take over the world but he himself doesn't have the strength to take on human armies, nor can he take on arguably the two most powerful mutants in the world.

He surely recognizes a fire in Erik and uses this as an advantage. So I see it like how in TDK the Joker confronted Two Face in the hospital to introduce some chaos. He gives Erik a tool that will give him an advantage over his inevitable opponent.

[Fudgie]

Trailer looked incredible. McAvoy is perfect as Xavier.

[Iceman]

He surely recognizes a fire in Erik and uses this as an advantage. So I see it like how in TDK the Joker confronted Two Face in the hospital to introduce some chaos. He gives Erik a tool that will give him an advantage over his inevitable opponent.I like it. Nice comparison!

[Sharkboy]

I'd say the "worst" actor in the film is January Jones, but even she has an Emmy nomination.

And rightfully so, she's fantastic in Mad Men (Well the first three seasons at least)

The cast alone is pretty much my main defence against all the negativity over this film. I accept there is a very real possibility this could be a major flop, but the cast alone gives me absolute faith this will be something special. Some real juicy talent in this film.

[By your Command]

...The cast alone is pretty much my main defence against all the negativity over this film. I accept there is a very real possibility this could be a major flop, but the cast alone gives me absolute faith this will be something special. Some real juicy talent in this film.

I completely agree with what you're saying about the cast, it probably couldn't get any better, and on a sidenote it reminds me of the reason why I have "X-Men: The Last Stand" on my DVD shelf, no matter how angry it gets me, no matter how bad the movie is, it's the probably the last time we got to see that talented cast together, and I effing loved them all in those roles, even Halle, hopefully we get to see more of the newbies in new X-Men movies in the years to come.

[Optimus_Prime_]

They said the same thing about a young Robert DeNiro playing a junior Vito Corleone after icon Marlon Brando nailed the part in The Godfather. Sure we're talking upper echelon acting but DeNiro didn't do a Brando impersonation. He simply played the part. McAvoy is a very talented young actor that has many bright days ahead.
You're right, De Niro didn't do an impersonation of Marlon Brando, but he's fairly believable as an Italian mobster. I'm a lot more skeptical of McAvoy as Xavier. I just don't feel like that character emminates from him. I think he'd actually be a great Banshee (for reasons other than his nationality).

[Loganbabe]

James is Scottish, not Irish...
If an actor is good he'll make the character believable, no matter what. James is good. I've been reading a lot of stupid stuff regarding his inadequacy to the role all over the net. It hasn't stopped him before. If you read "Atonement", Ian McEwan's book, you'll see how physically inadequate he was to play Robbie Turner. But when he turned up for the audition people forgot the character was supposed to be a 6 feet-tall well built guy, because James was capable of turning into that guy through his acting. It'll be the same with Xavier; he'll be awesome.

[Downhere]

James is a fantastic actor, I don't think there will be any worries regarding his acting as Xavier.

[JP]

People are bored, I guess.

[Figs]

When do i get to have a picture under my name?

When you hit 300 posts I believe.

[Alexei Belyakov]

You're right, De Niro didn't do an impersonation of Marlon Brando, but he's fairly believable as an Italian mobster. I'm a lot more skeptical of McAvoy as Xavier. I just don't feel like that character emminates from him. I think he'd actually be a great Banshee (for reasons other than his nationality).

I'm with you, Optimus. James looks more like Morph to me than Charles, specially in that scene inside the plane - their costumes are actually similar too :awesome:

[Alexei Belyakov]

yeah but he also has this film
http://brantleypalmer.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/hunger-poster-2.jpg

Amazing movie. I own it.

[steintym]

From what we've heard about Shaw so far, he is a schemer and a manipulator. His mutant power and charm helps him get his way and he's acquired great wealth because of it.

He has ambition to take over the world but he himself doesn't have the strength to take on human armies, nor can he take on arguably the two most powerful mutants in the world.

He surely recognizes a fire in Erik and uses this as an advantage. So I see it like how in TDK the Joker confronted Two Face in the hospital to introduce some chaos. He gives Erik a tool that will give him an advantage over his inevitable opponent.

Pretty cool explanation - I could definitely live with that if it plays out that way.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well then I guess she's only ever starred in movies with "bad material". :csad:

*stamps "Unmitigated MEH" all over this post* :whatever:

[JP]

Hahahahahahahaha. :o

[Mulholland '49]

From what we've heard about Shaw so far, he is a schemer and a manipulator. His mutant power and charm helps him get his way and he's acquired great wealth because of it.

He has ambition to take over the world but he himself doesn't have the strength to take on human armies, nor can he take on arguably the two most powerful mutants in the world.

He surely recognizes a fire in Erik and uses this as an advantage. So I see it like how in TDK the Joker confronted Two Face in the hospital to introduce some chaos. He gives Erik a tool that will give him an advantage over his inevitable opponent.

Hopefully not like Silverfox from Wolverine. Sorry for mentioning this movie again y'all.

[JP]

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[EnDz0n3]

I've only seen interviews with him and some clips. I was expecting a Justin Timberlake type but... I think my balls dropped when I heard his deep voice. :dry:

Was there a clip that was released with him talking? or a scene in the trailer I've forgotten about?

or is this a video of the Havok actor outside of the First Class movie?

[BMM]

Outside of the movie.

[EnDz0n3]

Ah ok.

Gotta say he's a good looking kid. I think he'll make a good, cocky Havok.

[Mulholland '49]

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/MulhollandGeneral/Untitled2.png

If Beast is driving, is this Banshee?

[Project862006]

clearly looks like Moira aka a woman lol

[TheWiseGuy487]

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/MulhollandGeneral/Untitled2.png

If Beast is driving, is this Banshee?

I think that's Moira Mactaggert.

[BMM]

Good catch. I didn't even notice Moira in that scene. I like how much she appears to be included in the movie.

[Mulholland '49]

Good catch. I didn't even notice Moira in that scene. I like how much she appears to be included in the movie.

I think McAvoy said she's becomes Xavier's main interest. :awesome:

[Wolverine1988]

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/MulhollandGeneral/Untitled2.png

If Beast is driving, is this Banshee?


How you came to the conclusion that it was anything other than a woman is mind boggling, thats clearly a woman lmao.

[WildcatNC]

I think McAvoy said she's becomes Xavier's main interest. :awesome:

Whether she wants to or not. :oldrazz:



:xmen:

[Mulholland '49]

How you came to the conclusion that it was anything other than a woman is mind boggling, thats clearly a woman lmao.

My monitor's cranky... :waa:

[The Original Bamfer]

It's Moira.

[BH/HHH]

I don't get this its supposed to be a prequel yet there are several continuity errors? Why dont they just say its a reboot.

Must say the images, any info and the trailer have not made me even slightly wanting to see this film. It looks like a boring version fo Wolverine (which sucked). You can really tell they're appealing to Twlight Fans.

[protocida]

You can really tell they're appealing to Twlight Fans.
I fail to see how.

[Wefflehouse]

I don't get this its supposed to be a prequel yet there are several continuity errors? Why dont they just say its a reboot.

Must say the images, any info and the trailer have not made me even slightly wanting to see this film. It looks like a boring version fo Wolverine (which sucked). You can really tell they're appealing to Twlight Fans.

This is what I'd call a congealed, coagulated, concentrated case of contracted fanboy conversation. Notice how nothing original has been said, sentiments are only being parroted here and to top it all of his final statement is meant to be an insult of sorts yet the Twilight comparison is completely without merit and doesn't even make sense.

[BH/HHH]

This is what I'd call a congealed, coagulated, concentrated case of contracted fanboy conversation. Notice how nothing original has been said, sentiments are only being parroted here and to top it all of his final statement is meant to be an insult of sorts yet the Twilight comparison is completely without merit and doesn't even make sense.

The comparison is there to see in the visuals it has that same sort of look to it that the Twilight films have. End of the day I'm entitled to my opinion and I don't think any of the X-Men films are that good and this looks worse than any of the other X-Men films

Also the director himself said so "It’s got a lot of teenage angst,” he tells EW.com. “The Twilight girls will like it."

[Project862006]

^ newsflash the original trilogy had teenage angst as well

rouge and iceman anybody lol

[Heffer Wolf]

The comparison is there to see in the visuals it has a completly different sort of look to it that the Twilight films could never have. End of the day I'm entitled to my opinion and I think like 2.5/4 of the X-Men films are good and this looks like it might be the best of the other X-Men films

Also the director himself said so "It’s got a lot of teenage angst,” he tells EW.com. “The Twilight girls will like it." he said in a sarcastic joking voice that doesn't really come through in printed words

This is my official opinion. Pumped for this movie, can't wait.

[BH/HHH]

^ newsflash the original trilogy had teenage angst as well

rouge and iceman anybody lol

The directors words not mine, he said the Twilight fangirls will love it there you go but when I watch the trailer I think visually it looks very twilighty in the way its filmed.

[Heffer Wolf]

The directors words not mine, he said the Twilight fangirls will love it there you go but when I watch the trailer I think visually it looks very twilighty in the way its filmed.

I would really appreciate it if you explained why you think it looks like it was filmed like twilight. Im not trying to be a dick, I have never seen Twilight, so I seriously have no idea what this statement even means.

Also, the whole Twilight thing was a joke. I don't get how people think Vaughn was serious when he said that.

[Visceral]

I think you lost me when you said that there weren't any good x-men films...:dry:

[psyonic]

The directors words not mine, he said the Twilight fangirls will love it there you go but when I watch the trailer I think visually it looks very twilighty in the way its filmed.

I think you're reading too much into that quote ..

[Mulholland '49]

The directors words not mine, he said the Twilight fangirls will love it there you go but when I watch the trailer I think visually it looks very twilighty in the way its filmed.

He was joking dude. Yeah, it probably wasn't the best thing to do considering braindead retards always misconstrue everything they hear on the web. Elaborate how this looks twilighty cause no one knows what the hell your talking about.

[BMM]

To be fair, there is that one scene where Edward Cullen outruns a bunch of missiles...

[EnDz0n3]

To be fair, there is that one scene where Edward Cullen outruns a bunch of missiles...

Im not sure if this is sarcasm as I've never seen the Twilight films (though the highschool in Part 2 was my highschool) but this made me LOL

[Project862006]

yeah how is this filmed like twilight lol

now red riding hood is filmed like twilight but FC?

Really?

[c-saw]

People are still debating over what was an obvious joke? Sheesh

[Hurm...]

BH, do you lack a sense of humor? Vaughn was obviously joking.

[The Original Bamfer]

Hahaha, it looks nothing like 'Twilight' visually. Vaughn was joking. There'll be teen angst because there's teens (i.e. - Mystique, Havok) who are mutants in a time when no one one knows what a mutant is, let alone accepts them. It's pretty simple to understand. It's a movie about the X-Men. :huh:

[Mulholland '49]

It looks bright and colorful to me, just like all of Vaughn's films. So I don't get how it it visually looks like Twilight.

[BH/HHH]

Look at the way Twilight is film it has a sort of bland look to it I think X-Men has a very similar look. I dont get why people are getting so upity about it. End of the day this film looks boring as hell.

[The Original Bamfer]

Okay, now let's be honest... did you like any X-Film? Do you even like the X-Men?

[Project862006]

looks nothing visually like twilight this film has a very bright vibrant look twilight has lots of muted dull colors

boring lol yeah when there more meat on the bones and an actual intelligence it must be boring

this film trailer did'nt have as much action as say thor trailers yet it is still better

[BH/HHH]

Okay, now let's be honest... did you like any X-Film? Do you even like the X-Men?

X-Men 1 at the time I thought was good but now the fight scenes in it look ridiculous in my opinion. X-Men 2 was way too long and over rated and X-Men 3 was well awful. Wolverine had some decent moments but was poor for the most part. I used to love the X-Men cartoon and the even the X-Men Evolution cartoon but don't you think that none of the X-Men films are epic enough, been a Superman fan I know all too painfully that Bryan Singer isn't very good at huge action scenes etc and it seems even since he's left that the films have followed a similar pattern.

looks nothing visually like twilight this film has a very bright vibrant look twilight has lots of muted dull colors

boring lol yeah when there more meat on the bones and an actual intelligence it must be boring

this film trailer did'nt have as much action as say thor trailers yet it is still better

Thor and Captain America both look WAY better than this film. Intelligence is fine in a film but X-Men films just arent on the same level as either Nolan's Batman films or either of Raimi's first two Spider-man films.

Oh n btw google X-Men First Class Twilight and you'll see I'm not the only one whose come to that conclusion.

End of the day you will just have to accept my opinion, if you think it looks good, then good for you hope you enjoy it but for me all the X-Men films haven't been epic enough for comic book movies and they continue to disapoint me.

[Great Mind(s)]

X-Men 1 at the time I thought was good but now the fight scenes in it look ridiculous in my opinion. X-Men 2 was way too long and over rated and X-Men 3 was well awful. Wolverine had some decent moments but was poor for the most part. I used to love the X-Men cartoon and the even the X-Men Evolution cartoon but don't you think that none of the X-Men films are epic enough, been a Superman fan I know all too painfully that Bryan Singer isn't very good at huge action scenes etc and it seems even since he's left that the films have followed a similar pattern.



Thor and Captain America both look WAY better than this film. Intelligence is fine in a film but X-Men films just arent on the same level as either Nolan's Batman films or either of Raimi's first two Spider-man films.

Oh n btw google X-Men First Class Twilight and you'll see I'm not the only one whose come to that conclusion.

End of the day you will just have to accept my opinion, if you think it looks good, then good for you hope you enjoy it but for me all the X-Men films haven't been epic enough for comic book movies and they continue to disapoint me.


Ugh you rate Raimi's Spider-Man films above X-Men 2? Tell me what was so overrated about it? And too long? It was a perfect length to develop the plot, villain and characters. If you ask me, Spider-Man 2 was too long, suffered from another cheesy villain (not as cheesy as GG) and a sub-par "losing my powers" ripoff of Superman II plot.

You should watch X2 again, I believe it was on The Dark Knight scale of epic-ness. The only thing missing was a good sequel.

[BH/HHH]

Ugh you rate Raimi's Spider-Man films above X-Men 2? Tell me what was so overrated about it? And too long? It was a perfect length to develop the plot, villain and characters. If you ask me, Spider-Man 2 was too long, suffered from another cheesy villain (not as cheesy as GG) and a sub-par "losing my powers" ripoff of Superman II plot.

You should watch X2 again, I believe it was on The Dark Knight scale of epic-ness. The only thing missing was a good sequel.

X-Men 2 is awful, the secret weapon should have been the Sentinel and it ended up been another psychic in a wheel chair yawn! It also doesnt make sense the was no reason for Jean Grey to stay behind she could have used her powers from the plane. I think its way too long that last 20 minutes dragged incredibly. Bryan Singer's X-Men movies are just so low key and his choice for the ultimate weapon shows that.

Spider-Man 2 is a fun movie with epic action scenes.

X2 is not even on the same level as the Dark Knight or Batman Begins.

I dont know why you X-Men movie fans are getting so upity cause I'm not much of a fan of this series.

[Great Mind(s)]

I don't care that you're not a fan I was just wondering why you didn't like it. But fyi, the Dark Cerebro storyline was taken from an amazing X-Men graphic novel "God loves, Man kills".

[BH/HHH]

I don't care that you're not a fan I was just wondering why you didn't like it. But fyi, the Dark Cerebro storyline was taken from an amazing X-Men graphic novel "God loves, Man kills".

Well regardless I didnt care for it, they should have used a sentinel in my opinion. I will give First Class the benefit of the doubt though as much as I think it looks poor I'll probably still go see it.

[Hellion]

Well regardless I didnt care for it, they should have used a sentinel in my opinion. I will give First Class the benefit of the doubt though as much as I think it looks poor I'll probably still go see it.

They did do concept work for sentinels and it was horrid iirc

[terry78]

If this First Class does well, hopefully we will see a Sentinel in a future film.

[BH/HHH]

They did do concept work for sentinels and it was horrid iirc

Really? well thats disapointing

I just think its sucks we got 3 X-Men movies (4 if you include Wolvie) and all we got was a simulation of a Sentinel (that you hardly saw anyway).

[Great Mind(s)]

That sentinel was ridiculously terrible

[JP]

I thought the Sentinel designs for X2 were fantastic. Sadly there were budget constraints.

[psyonic]

Has anyone seen the new Wolverine anime? I'm 4 episodes in and it's better than the movie LOL .. the X-Men anime is coming out in April (just saw the teaser on youtube). If you guys don't mind reading subtitles you can find them ..easily.

[JP]

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[Project862006]

i don't see how x2 is awful to you lol

i think it is far superior than spiderman 2 in literally everything

story
characters
acting
etc.

for me it is easily top 5 of best super hero movies

i will take good character development and great acting and superb storytelling over epic action scenes any day of the week

[marvelrobbins]

X2 Is vasly superior to Spider-man 2.I place X2 among the 4 best comic book films ever with Superman,Batman begins,and The Dark Knight.None of the spider-Man films I would
put In my top 10 Comic book films.

[BH/HHH]

i don't see how x2 is awful to you lol

i think it is far superior than spiderman 2 in literally everything

story
characters
acting
etc.

for me it is easily top 5 of best super hero movies

i will take good character development and great acting and superb storytelling over epic action scenes any day of the week

Each to their own but I found X2 boring, Spider-Man 2 was a fun movie and the character development was good in it.

There are superhero films that are at the top Superman: The Movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight then after that its films like Spider-Man 2, X2 (even though I dont like it) etc

A great Superhero film should have all of those things you mentioned and epic action scenes.

But we all have our own opinions. End of the day I dont like any of the X-Men films I'm hoping that all changes with the Wolverine.

[jaymes_e06]

^Umm that makes no sense you add X2 to your list of best comic movies even though you don't like it ??? :huh:

[marvelrobbins]

I find It strange a person who doesn't like any of the X-Men films would comment on the X-men boards.I find all the spider-Man films somewhat lacking.I don't hate them.Hopefully
The Amazing Spider-Man will finally be Spider-Man film I can enjoy as well as X2 and X-Men.

[BH/HHH]

^Umm that makes no sense you add X2 to your list of best comic movies even though you don't like it ??? :huh:

No thats not what I meant what I meant was there are comic book movies that are the top level i.e. Superman the Movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight then there is the 2nd tear i.e. Spider-man 2, X2 etc This is just how I see how the films are rated.

All I meant was although I don't rate X2 and love Spider-man 2 none of these films are anyway near the level of Superman the Movie, Batman Begins and the Dark Knight.

[BH/HHH]

I find It strange a person who doesn't like any of the X-Men films would comment on the X-men boards.I find all the spider-Man films somewhat lacking.I don't hate them.Hopefully
The Amazing Spider-Man will finally be Spider-Man film I can enjoy as well as X2 and X-Men.

The reason I came on was to say what I thought of the trailer. i'm a fan of the X-Men I just dont think theatrically they've been done justice.

[Kingslayer]

Some people think Spider-Man 2 is better than X2? :dry:

[I Am Jack's...]

Nightcrawler in the White House was a fairly epic action scene IMO. But that's just me.

[marvelrobbins]

I agree.

[Kingslayer]

Nightcrawler in the White House was a fairly epic action scene IMO. But that's just me.

Hell yes! One of my favorite movie openings of all time, honestly.

[BH/HHH]

Nightcrawler in the White House was a fairly epic action scene IMO. But that's just me.

Not disputing that, great scene but there in lies another problem with Singer movies he tends to do big epic scenes early on in his films and never manages to top them later on.

[Project862006]

Some people think Spider-Man 2 is better than X2? :dry:
yeah lolol spiderman 2 is good and all but maybe i am just bias since i dont like spiderman as much as x men but i think x men 2 is far superior

[Kingslayer]

yeah lolol spiderman 2 is good and all but maybe i am just bias since i dont like spiderman as much as x men but i think x men 2 is far superior

Spider-Man 2 is a good film, easily the best of Raimi's trilogy, but it is no way even close to the excellence of X2.

[Heffer Wolf]

Spider-Man 2 is a fun movie with epic action scenes.

X2 had the Nightcrawler opening, the assault on the mansion with Wolverine tearing **** up, Wolverine fighting Deathstrike, and Jean/Storm versus the missiles. Oh and when Pyro loses his **** and starts blowing up cop cars. Those were all awesome.

All I can remember from Spider-Man 2 was Doctopuss throwing bags of coins at Spider-man, and Aunt May hitting him with her wallet or something and saying something cheesy.

I liked spider-man 2, its my favorite of the 3, but thats all that stuck out and stayed with me. And I havn't seen either X2 or SM2 in forever.

Anyways, back on topic, I remember when the X3 trailer came out, and I thought it also looks amazing, but going back and watching it now, and seeing those clips in context, it looks about as bad as the movie was. I watched this trailer like 10 times looking for a sign it might suck like X3, but I'm not getting that vibe at all. I really hope I'm not wrong becasue I'm super excited for this movie.

[buja]

I also don't like how they just put Havok in the movie and simply say, oh well, then he's not Scott's brother, but we need a character with his powers. I think that Bryan Singer doesn't care that much for the characters. He made Lady Deathstrike in X2 a mutant, and oh well, let's give her same healing powers like Wolverine, so they can have a fight scene. He ruined the whole relationship story between her and Wolverine. In X1, there was no hint at all of that hate between Wolverine and Sabertooth. Ok, now you can say that Wolverine lost his memories, but Sabertooth didn't. But still, Wolverine Origins aside, that was the first X men movie, and putting Sabertooth and Wolverine in a movie, you can't ignore the hate, like in the cartoon, between them. I really blame Bryan Singer for ruining such rich and deep stories between characters and making them so Hollywood.

[marvelrobbins]

I was very sastified with the X2 action sequenzes.While Brett ratner tried to throw In a
lot of action In The Last Stand Bryan Singer's action sequenzes In X2 I feel are far superior.Nightcrawler's epic attack on white house.Styker's attack on mansion.The best
we have seen of Wolverine go berzker mode so far In films.Pyro's attack on the cops.The blackbird trying to escape jets and missiles.The battles inside Aklai Lake especilly wolverine VS Deathstrike,Mystique alluding soldiers and jean VS Cyclops.

With the last Stand's trailers because of script leaks we could tell there was truth to the leaks.

[Wolverine1988]

I thought X2 was vastly better than Spider-man 2

Spider-man 2 felt like a 2 and half hour long chick flick.

Thats what really killed Raimis franchise was him focusing way to much on Peter Parker and Mary Janes relationship, it really felt like a chick flick at times.

I loved Spider-man 1 i will always remember the hype and build up the movie coming out in summer of 02 but i jsut felt the franchise really went down after the first film.

[gooti]

I also don't like how they just put Havok in the movie and simply say, oh well, then he's not Scott's brother, but we need a character with his powers. I think that Bryan Singer doesn't care that much for the characters. He made Lady Deathstrike in X2 a mutant, and oh well, let's give her same healing powers like Wolverine, so they can have a fight scene. He ruined the whole relationship story between her and Wolverine.

As someone who never even picked up a comic book before watching the X-men movies, it bothers me a bit that people take the point of view that if it's not the backstory as presented in the comics, there's no motivation for the characters to do what they do. To me, and others who don't have the "baggage" of the 40 some-odd years of comics canon to consider, it's obvious that Stryker created Deathstrike to be able to destroy Wolverine should they ever cross paths again. That's it and that's all and it's good enough for me.

In X1, there was no hint at all of that hate between Wolverine and Sabertooth. Ok, now you can say that Wolverine lost his memories, but Sabertooth didn't. But still, Wolverine Origins aside, that was the first X men movie, and putting Sabertooth and Wolverine in a movie, you can't ignore the hate, like in the cartoon, between them. I really blame Bryan Singer for ruining such rich and deep stories between characters and making them so Hollywood.

No hint other than when Sabertooth intentionally grabs Wolvie's dog tags from the table after the pow-wow with Magneto. It was subtle, but it was there. Should they have delved deeply into yet another complicated plot line in a jam-packed movie? I personally took it to be a quick nod to the fans and something that the franchise would elaborate upon down the line.

Anyway, back on topic...I had given up on the franchise after XMOW and had not been paying much attention to any news about First Class, but after watching the trailer I'm cautiously excited.

[marvelrobbins]

They hinted at Sabretooth having past with Wolverine by him always wanting to grab the dogtags.

One of my biggest problems with Spider-Man films was Sam Rami's obsession to focus on Peter parker and Mary jane.It peter couldn't go out with mary jane he had no Intrest in other women.Plus SPider-Man was way too accepted by the public.

[Wolverine1988]

As someone who never even picked up a comic book before watching the X-men movies, it bothers me a bit that people take the point of view that if it's not the backstory as presented in the comics, there's no motivation for the characters to do what they do. To me, and others who don't have the "baggage" of the 40 some-odd years of comics canon to consider, it's obvious that Stryker created Deathstrike to be able to destroy Wolverine should they ever cross paths again. That's it and that's all and it's good enough for me.



No hint other than when Sabertooth intentionally grabs Wolvie's dog tags from the table after the pow-wow with Magneto. It was subtle, but it was there. Should they have delved deeply into yet another complicated plot line in a jam-packed movie? I personally took it to be a quick nod to the fans and something that the franchise would elaborate upon down the line.

Anyway, back on topic...I had given up on the franchise after XMOW and had not been paying much attention to any news about First Class, but after watching the trailer I'm cautiously excited.


Couldn't have been said any better.

They couldn't have done Wolverine and Sabretooth rivarly in that movie and still made it not out of place or good, instead of doing a half ass job he decided to hint that there maybe some sort of realtionship, besides that movie was rushed if i remember correctly so i don't think he had time to dwelve into if he wanted.

I liked he what he did with them in the first one, i felt like he really planted the seeds for there backstory to be recalled and explained in later films, i remember reading on here that Singer met with Tyler Mane right before Singer left for SR for Mane to possibly come back, since i know him and Ray Park signed on for three films.


I think is a bit absurd how so called comic purists get all defensive and feel insulted when a character or storyline is completley faithful to the comics, like the movie directors and writers have some sort of obligation to make sure its 100 percent faithful, as long as it has a good outcome than whats the big ****ing deal?

[Great Mind(s)]

I don't care if Havok is Cyke's dad as long as it stays in continuity of the first 2 films.

[def28]

Spider-Man 2 and X2 are both good. Which is better is up to the viewrs preference in tone and if your a bigger X Fan or Spidey fan. X2 is no where near as flawless as most say and saying X2 kills Spider-Man 2 is bs. They are both worthy of being two of the greatest comic book movies made.

[Wolverine1988]

Spider-Man 2 and X2 are both good. Which is better is up to the viewrs preference in tone and if your a bigger X Fan or Spidey fan. X2 is no where near as flawless as most say and saying X2 kills Spider-Man 2 is bs. They are both worthy of being two of the greatest comic book movies made.

I still don;'t get why Spider-Man 2 gets so much praise, The Doc Ock Spider-Man fights were some of the best fights i have seen in movies in general, but other than i felt the movie was bogged down by constant focus on the Romance aspect.

It didn't help that Kirsten Dunst was never very Mary Jane like and was never that great as the role.

[RachelDawes]

X-Men 1 at the time I thought was good but now the fight scenes in it look ridiculous in my opinion. X-Men 2 was way too long and over rated and X-Men 3 was well awful. Wolverine had some decent moments but was poor for the most part. I used to love the X-Men cartoon and the even the X-Men Evolution cartoon but don't you think that none of the X-Men films are epic enough, been a Superman fan I know all too painfully that Bryan Singer isn't very good at huge action scenes etc and it seems even since he's left that the films have followed a similar pattern.

Major agreement here. Granted, I may not have liked it because I was really tired when I saw it and the movie was making me even sleepier. I could have turned off the DVD but the truth is that I found X2 dull and was afraid that if I turned it off I would never finish it.

Thor and Captain America both look WAY better than this film. Intelligence is fine in a film but X-Men films just arent on the same level as either Nolan's Batman films or either of Raimi's first two Spider-man films.

Here's where I disagree. So far, I'd say X-Men and Captain America look to be the best of the summer. I've heard positive things about Thor's script so I have no doubt it'll be good, but X-Men and Cap just seem like they're going to be deeper.

Oh n btw google X-Men First Class Twilight and you'll see I'm not the only one whose come to that conclusion.

It's too soon to say this is X-Men's Twilight. I'll worry about that if the full trailer gives me those vibes.

[craigdbfan]

Both SM2 and X2 are ****ing awesome.

One of the best movie/material from each respective franchise, I'm even including comics, cartoons etc. Why even pit them against each other.

If anyone ever needed a run down of Spider-Man or the X-Men in movie form those are the two movies I'd tell them to see.