Marion Cottilard in The Dark Knight Rises?

[Van Petrol]

Why not? They're a bunch of murderers anyway. It's not like Batman has any high respect for what they do.

"That's why it's so important. It separates us from them..."

[Doctor Jones]

Gordon's niece who moves to Gotham.

Please tell me you're looking for me. :o

[Spider-Fan]

You can't just use these characters and use them as fill ins for other characters in the previous films. It's not that simple. These are different characters with different stories and how they will relate to Bruce/Batman in some way. Talia is just a whole other layer. Now who knows if she will be in this film, and who knows what direction they'll take her in.

God, this is going to be going on for months. With her and Levitt if he is indeed in this. Goddamn you Nolan and your mysterious ways! :cmad:

I'm not guessing who anyone is. I'm commenting on who everyone else seems to want. I have no guesses on what Nolan does, but I have opinions on what is best for the film.

[Nave 'Torment']

(I'm a little behind in the pages, but I'll catch-up)

What if Cottilard plays Selina's blind mom? Too much you say? Fine, okay. Her French designation certainly makes Talia a possibility, but I'm not too sure Nolan would want to address a character he previously avoided consciously. That, and I don't think revisiting the League of Shadows would be a breathtaking addition to the franchise. Catwoman and Bane does that, I can see why the mob is mentioned because they will still be around - they have had a very prominent presence in both films, unlike the League - but who can Cottilard really play here? Sarah? Janice Porter? Sofia Falcone? The last one seems redundant, especially if we already have an Alberto Falcone, and doubly so if Selina's Italian lineage is hinted at. Maybe she will be a new character, or a completely different Crime Family's head? Is she Maroni's wife? We'll just have to wait and see.

[raybia]

Please tell me you're looking for me. :o

:huh:

[Nave 'Torment']

I'm going to have to side with JMC on this.

Now, I am not Marion Cotillard. Nor am I her agent, friend, or close relative. So I'm really in no position to say anything regarding her life choices.

But personally, I find it hard to believe that a first-time mother, with the financial luxury to take off work for an extended period of time, would jump into a massive blockbuster film during the first six months of her newborn child's life.

I also find it hard to believe that Nolan thinks Cotillard is so perfect for this role, that he went through the trouble of scheduling around her maternity leave, when there are plenty of talented actresses out their that could have easily sufficed.

Until I hear otherwise from a concrete source, I'm calling ********.

I'm really inclined to buy that call B, but if you asked me if I wanted to ignore my first born for work, even when I don't have to work, and even just a month after the little sunspot's popped out, I'd reason everything with two words: "It's Batman."

What? Don't YOU go judging me as a parent! The kid would've done the same! :dkm:

"That's why it's so important. It separates us from them..."

Best line from Begins! Best line ever!

Please tell me you're looking for me. :o

Actually, she's looking for Wilfred Pennyworth, played here by JG-L who is also playing Alberto Falcone and Azrael.

[Dark Knight]

I think we'll see the combination of Lady Shiva and Talia al Ghul for Marion Cottilard. After Bane defeats Batman, Bruce will once again travel the world (reason behind scouting in Asia) and seek out the mysterious "Lady Shiva" for training. But like Ducard was just a cover name, Lady Shiva will turn out to be Talia al Ghul.



This is an idea that have been suggesting for quite some time now. , but I doubt it happens.

Talia posing as Lady Shiva for most of the film and then towards the end reveal herself to be the daughter of the demon, Talia to Batman.

Us fans would see this....but the general movie going public would not see it and they would be surprised.

[Renegade1990]

A long shot,

But..... Is Poison Ivy too left field?

[TheBatman072]

This is an idea that have been suggesting for quite some time now. , but I doubt it happens.

Talia posing as Lady Shiva for most of the film and then towards the end reveal herself to be the daughter of the demon, Talia to Batman.

Us fans would see this....but the general movie going public would not see it and they would be surprised.

And then they would realize it was exactly like the reveal from Begins.

[papie]

And then they would realize it was exactly like the reveal from Begins.
Or, like somebody else, said they'd be confused since they only saw TDK and not BB.

[itsthebatman]

And then they would realize it was exactly like the reveal from Begins.
Exactly. He's not going to the same thing!

[Marx]

I'm a little late to the party...

I'm guessing this all but confirms Talia Al-Ghul?

[TheBatman072]

I'm a little late to the party...

I'm guessing this all but confirms Talia Al-Ghul?

No?

[Nevincer]

No?
:awesome:

[Marx]

The cnn.com article that I read on Cotillard's casting included an interview by a long-time 'ally' (for lack of a better word) of Christopher Nolan and he said that Nolan has surpassed TDK and has created a 'perfect trilogy'. There's only so many people it could be.

COTILLARD CAST FOR BATMAN 3
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/14/marion.cotillard.batman.ppl/index.html?hpt=Sbin

[TheBatman072]

The cnn.com article that I read on Cotillard's casting included an interview by a long-time 'ally' (for lack of a better word) of Christopher Nolan and he said that Nolan has surpassed TDK and has created a 'perfect trilogy'. There's only so many people it could be.

Surpassing TDK doesn't mean going back to the shocking surprise of Begins.

[Marx]

Regardless, bringing in Talia to bring the story full circle makes sense.

[Nevincer]

Surpassing TDK doesn't mean going back to the shocking surprise of Begins.
Well to expand on Marx's comment he said that he went back and watched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and realized how much better they were upon having read the script for TDKR making it "the perfect trilogy".

[Secret Fawful]

The cnn.com article that I read on Cotillard's casting included an interview by a long-time 'ally' (for lack of a better word) of Christopher Nolan and he said that Nolan has surpassed TDK and has created a 'perfect trilogy'. There's only so many people it could be.

COTILLARD CAST FOR BATMAN 3
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/14/marion.cotillard.batman.ppl/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Whoa, I'm behind. I didn't even know she was confirmed.

[itsthebatman]

Regardless, bringing in Talia to bring the story full circle makes sense.
Did Nolan ever say 'full circle'; I thought it was 'finishing the story', not the same thing.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm not guessing who anyone is. I'm commenting on who everyone else seems to want. I have no guesses on what Nolan does, but I have opinions on what is best for the film.

It wasn't really aimed at you. Just a general statement.
:huh:



Actually, she's looking for Wilfred Pennyworth, played here by JG-L who is also playing Alberto Falcone and Azrael.

Somebody got it. :awesome:

[TheBatman072]

Regardless, bringing in Talia to bring the story full circle makes sense.

As I've said either in another thread or further back in this one, bringing in Talia will take away screen time from Bane and/or Catwoman.

She won't automatically be an Al Ghul. That would give everything away.

So she'll be something like Talia Head. Which means Bruce and us will have to get to know her for the twist to matter at all.

Which means other, more worthy villains suffer.

Not to mention the fact that, if she is indeed in this movie and she DOES have an alias, that is basically a retread of Batman Begins, a movie half of TDK's audience doesn't even remember(no matter how amazing it was).

And Talia is not needed at all to make this franchise come full circle.

[Marx]

Nolan has proven that he can successfully write and adapt complex stories. I'm sure this won't be a problem for him.

[TheBatman072]

Whoa, I'm behind. I didn't even know she was confirmed.


She's not. She's still "in talks."

CNN's article title is misleading.

[Secret Fawful]

She's not. She's still "in talks."

CNN's article title is misleading.
Then the article literally lies because it says she signed onto the project Saturday in Paris.

[TheBatman072]

Nolan has proven that he can successfully write and adapt complex stories. I'm sure this won't be a problem for him.

Complex in a way that's boring and repetitive?

Because that's what we get with Talia in this movie.

It's automatic. Like I said above, she can't be Al Ghul from the start, because then Bruce knows whose daughter she is, and the game is up. He has nothing to do with her.

She would have to have an alias to interact with him at all.

And there wouldn't be any point in making her Talia at all if she wasn't going to REVEAL herself as Talia at some point in the movie. Just like her father did in Begins.

For us nerds, we'd see it coming a mile away. For everybody else, they wouldn't see it coming, but after the initial shock, they'd say "Wait...didn't we already see this? It was a dude though. Yeah from the first movie! Man...talk about anticlimactic."

That's what you get with Talia Head.

[*Whiplash*]

So filming is expected to wrap in November?

Maybe she's doing all her scenes then?

[TheBatman072]

Then the article literally lies because it says she signed onto the project Saturday in Paris.

Or they got their wires crossed, which can happen.

there has been no official announcement about either Cotillard or Levitt.

[Marx]

Complex in a way that's boring and repetitive?

Because that's what we get with Talia in this movie.

It's automatic. Like I said above, she can't be Al Ghul from the start, because then Bruce knows whose daughter she is, and the game is up. He has nothing to do with her.

She would have to have an alias to interact with him at all.

And there wouldn't be any point in making her Talia at all if she wasn't going to REVEAL herself as Talia at some point in the movie. Just like her father did in Begins.

For us nerds, we'd see it coming a mile away. For everybody else, they wouldn't see it coming, but after the initial shock, they'd say "Wait...didn't we already see this? It was a dude though. Yeah from the first movie! Man...talk about anticlimactic."

That's what you get with Talia Head.

Someone remind me to lookup Batman072 after TDKR is released. :cwink:

[Fenrir]

A lot of credible news websites are going to end up with a massive rotten egg on their faces if Cotillard does not end up signing on for TDKR. :hehe:

[Micah12345]

If talia is in this, I'll go to the premiere in nothing but a thong and cape, and post pics.

[TheBatman072]

Someone remind me to lookup Batman072 after TDKR is released. :cwink:

What makes you so sure Talia's even in the movie?

Other than an article that put words in Nolan's mouth about "coming full circle" when in reality he said "finishing his story"?

[Marx]

What makes you so sure Talia's even in the movie?

Other than an article that put words in Nolan's mouth about "coming full circle" when in reality he said "finishing his story"?

I'm really not in the mood to argue with you. For one time, I'd actually like to be able to come into this subforum and NOT feel like beating my head against a wall afterward.

[Secret Fawful]

A lot of credible news websites are going to end up with a massive rotten egg on their faces if Cotillard does not end up signing on for TDKR. :hehe:
Yeah, and then a bunch of stupid, paranoid fanboys will decide that no news source anywhere is reliable anymore and shove their opinion on it down everyone's throat.

[TheBatman072]

I'm really not in the mood to argue with you. For one time, I'd actually like to be able to come into this subforum and NOT feel like beating my head against a wall afterward.

You should probably try not taking things so seriously then.

[Fenrir]

Yeah, and then a bunch of stupid, paranoid fanboys will decide that no news source anywhere is reliable anymore and shove their opinion on it down everyone's throat.

Goddammit, can't a guy get a moment's laugh around here these days?! :cmad:

[Renegade1990]

Poison Ivy? Especially with like Kate Winslet being considered,

[Marx]

You should probably try not taking things so seriously then.

No, that's not it at all actually.

[KRIM]

A lot of credible news websites are going to end up with a massive rotten egg on their faces if Cotillard does not end up signing on for TDKR. :hehe:
One group is bound to be egg-faced. Your scenario could occur, but so can the opposite. On the chance that Marion is cast and actually is Talia, a lot of fans here will be quickly silenced because they were so sure of Nolan's plans.

But that's neither here nor there. I just want the speculation to end and come to terms with the news already.

[TheBatman072]

No, that's not it at all actually.

Whatever you say chief.

[Secret Fawful]

Goddammit, can't a guy get a moment's laugh around here these days?! :cmad:
http://i.imgur.com/43kha.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Go ahead. Laugh it up, Fenrir. Laugh!

I think we should all just have a nice big laugh!

[papie]

One group is bound to be egg-faced. Your scenario could occur, but so can the opposite. On the chance that Marion is cast and actually is Talia, a lot of fans here will be quickly silenced because they were so sure of Nolan's plans.

But that's neither here nor there. I just want the speculation to end and come to terms with the news already.
If this happens I'm making a very formal signature that says I was wrong about Talia and I proclaimed what I thought as a fact.

Untill then, I'm going to proceed telling you people that Nolan is not going to put Talia in the same movie as Catwoman.

[FlawlessVictory]

TheBatman072, it's really going to kill you when it is announced that Talia is in this movie isn't it. :woot:

[TheBatman072]

TheBatman072, it's really going to kill you when it is announced that Talia is in this movie isn't it. :woot:

I'll be disappointed. Disappointed that Nolan feels he has to go back to a well he ran dry a film and 7 years ago.

But that's about it.

[*Whiplash*]

You should probably try not taking things so seriously then.

I think you're the one taking it too seriously.

You've been constantly disagreeing with people and their own opinions about Talia being in this movie.

[KRIM]

If this happens I'm making a very formal signature that says I was wrong about Talia and I proclaimed what I thought as a fact.

Untill then, I'm going to proceed telling you people that Nolan is not going to put Talia in the same movie as Catwoman.
Personally I don't want Talia anywhere near this movie, so it's no skin off my back if the reports are wrong. It's just that I see a far larger group vocalizing their assurance about her exclusion as if they have any more foresight than the rest of us. I'd be saying the same thing if there were more people insisting that she's in the movie, but I don't see that here.

[papie]

Personally I don't want Talia anywhere near this movie, so it's no skin off my back if the reports are wrong. It's just that I see a far larger group vocalizing their assurance about her exclusion as if they have any more foresight than the rest of us. I'd be saying the same thing if there were more people insisting that she's in the movie, but I don't see that here.
I disagree, with this topic as the prime-example.

For some reason we keep coming back to Talia, yet she is as unlikely (to me) as Freeze.

[KRIM]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.

[Hobgoblin]

Complex in a way that's boring and repetitive?

Because that's what we get with Talia in this movie.

It's automatic. Like I said above, she can't be Al Ghul from the start, because then Bruce knows whose daughter she is, and the game is up. He has nothing to do with her.

She would have to have an alias to interact with him at all.

And there wouldn't be any point in making her Talia at all if she wasn't going to REVEAL herself as Talia at some point in the movie. Just like her father did in Begins.

For us nerds, we'd see it coming a mile away. For everybody else, they wouldn't see it coming, but after the initial shock, they'd say "Wait...didn't we already see this? It was a dude though. Yeah from the first movie! Man...talk about anticlimactic."

That's what you get with Talia Head.

I dont know if thats true. We got a second Goblin in Spider-Man 3 and I dont remember hearing any complaints about it.

[papie]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
That the Anti-Talia group is more vocal then the Pro-talia group.

Imagin me starting to post how JGL is going to be Peter Parker and that this is probably going to happen. You wouldn't shut up.

To me, with the characters we already have, this is how those people sound.

[itsthebatman]

I dont know if thats true. We got a second Goblin in Spider-Man 3 and I dont remember hearing any complaints about it.
But that story started in SM1 and followed up on in the second. I can't think of a way to incorporate Talia into this sory with no mention of her in the previous two films.
Also, no complaints? Really?

[Hobgoblin]

But that story started in SM1 and followed up on in the second. I can't think of a way to incorporate Talia into this sory with no mention of her in the previous two films.
Also, no complaints? Really?

We dont know what the story is for the third film yet, so its too late to say how Talia will play into it. And yes, most people were looking forward to seeing Harry take over his fathers role as a villain.

[Nevincer]

I dont know if thats true. We got a second Goblin in Spider-Man 3 and I dont remember hearing any complaints about it.
Harry was a member of the supporting cast that got developed over two films. Talia wasn't even mentioned by Ra's in the first film, aside from the novelization. And even then, people were hoping for Raimi to at least wait one more movie before the second Goblin appeared again, having him hire the Sandman or something. Then Raimi shoehorned everyone and their mother into the movie and we got the trainwreck that opened in 2007.

[TheBatman072]

I think you're the one taking it too seriously.

You've been constantly disagreeing with people and their own opinions about Talia being in this movie.

By voicing my own opinion on why I think she won't be?

Okay.

I dont know if thats true. We got a second Goblin in Spider-Man 3 and I dont remember hearing any complaints about it.

Really? I did. Quite a few.

They turned out to be right.

[KRIM]

That the Anti-Talia group is more vocal then the Pro-talia group.

Imagin me starting to post how JGL is going to be Peter Parker and that this is probably going to happen. You wouldn't shut up.

To me, with the characters we already have, this is how those people sound.
I said nothing about pro/anti-Talia. My comments were directed towards the absolute certainty that engulfs some of the posts here. As if they were with Nolan when he was writing the script.

It's just a general observation, independent of the subject matter (like if Talia is in).

[Hobgoblin]

Harry was a member of the supporting cast that got developed over two films. Talia wasn't even mentioned by Ra's in the first film, aside from the novelization. And even then, people were hoping for Raimi to at least wait one more movie before the second Goblin appeared again, having him hire the Sandman or something. Then Raimi shoehorned everyone and their mother into the movie and we got the trainwreck that opened in 2007.

And what would Harry do for the third film? Yes the overcrowding was a mess. But the fact was that Harry would eventually appear as a villain and someone would cry "repeat!"



Really? I did. Quite a few.

They turned out to be right.
I dont agree that Harry being a Goblin was a problem. The problem was with too many villains. Venom should have been dropped and saved for the fourth film.

[papie]

I said nothing about pro/anti-Talia. My comments were directed towards the absolute certainty that engulfs some of the posts here. Like they were with Nolan when he was writing the script.

It's just a general observation, independent of the subject matter (like if Talia is in).
Aha, okay.

Well, I'm certain because I have good arguments why he'd be a fool to include her. Whereas with other discussions over characters I can see why they would like to see that story.
See it as if someone suggested Freeze.

1: Talia is essentially the same character as Selina Kyle. They are hot but unethical characters which Bruce decides to love/tolerate/just hump.
They have fathers featured in the first movie and which were dealt with in the first movie. Except Selina Kyle's dad was mentioned in TDK.
2: Ra's Al Ghul was never mentioned in TDK, neither was the LOS. It would make no sense to the studio execs and to the general public to introduce a character of which they know nothing about the origin story.
(Remember most people only remember TDK).
3: Talia Al Ghul is presented in the comics with her dad still alive, pretty crucial to her character development.

[The Jester]

[QUOTE=papie;19719578]
2: Ra's Al Ghul was never mentioned in TDK, neither was the LOS. It would make no sense to the studio execs and to the general public to introduce a character of which they know nothing about the origin story.
(Remember most people only remember TDK).
QUOTE]

I don't really agree with this statement. You say that most people only remember The Dark Knight, but it seems no one had a problem being introduced to Batman even though they didn't see Batman Begins. Harvey Dent and The Joker (let's also include the whole mob) were also two characters introduced whose origins weren't talked about.

I don't think Talia should have a problem.

[TheBatman072]

[QUOTE=papie;19719578]
2: Ra's Al Ghul was never mentioned in TDK, neither was the LOS. It would make no sense to the studio execs and to the general public to introduce a character of which they know nothing about the origin story.
(Remember most people only remember TDK).
QUOTE]

I don't really agree with this statement. You say that most people only remember The Dark Knight, but it seems no one had a problem being introduced to Batman even though they didn't see Batman Begins. Harvey Dent and The Joker (let's also include the whole mob) were also two characters introduced whose origins weren't talked about.

I don't think Talia should have a problem.

Are you really comparing the cultural impact to a 70 year old character in Batman to Talia? Really?

[The Jester]

[QUOTE=The Jester;19719707]

Are you really comparing the cultural impact to a 70 year old character in Batman to Talia? Really?

Yes I am. I also compared her to Harvey Dent, the Joker, and the rest of the mob if you need to recheck.

[TheBatman072]

Yes I am. I also compared her to Harvey Dent, the Joker, and the rest of the mob if you need to recheck.

You are severely over estimating her importance.

[The Jester]

[QUOTE=The Jester;19719725]

You are severely over estimating her importance.

I'm actually doing the complete opposite.

What I'm saying is that audiences don't necessarily need to know a complete backstory to a character for them to be introduced, with The Dark Knight being a perfect example. Yes Batman is an icon, but going into The Dark Knight, not everyone knew the specifics about Bruce becoming Batman in 'Begins'.

[jazzmatik]

[QUOTE=TheBatman072;19719732]

What I'm saying is that audiences don't necessarily need to know a complete backstory to a character for them to be introduced, with The Dark Knight being a perfect example. Yes Batman is an icon, but going into The Dark Knight, not everyone knew the specifics about Bruce becoming Batman in 'Begins'.

This is true. Many people hadn't even heard of Batman Begins before they saw The Dark Knight. True story.

[Secret Fawful]

I knew of Begins before TDK was even announced, and I made sure everyone I knew back in high school knew about it too. When TDK came, everyone I knew in HS was in that theater, man. Not because of the hype, but because of Begins.

[jazzmatik]

I knew of Begins before TDK was even announced, and I made sure everyone I knew back in high school knew about it too. When TDK came, everyone I knew in HS was in that theater, man. Not because of the hype, but because of Begins.

I know what you mean. I actually saw Begins on opening weekend back in the day, but I know some people who only saw it after they had seen The Dark Knight first.

[raybia]

Well CNN is reporting she is signed to congratulations to Christopher Nolan for adding yet another high caliber actress to this production.

I maybe wrong and will not be disappointed if I am but I really don't think she will be cast as Talia.

[Doctor Jones]

Did you check the time on that article. Because I think that one said yesterday.

[Colonel Kurtz]

And what would Harry do for the third film? Yes the overcrowding was a mess. But the fact was that Harry would eventually appear as a villain and someone would cry "repeat!"


I dont agree that Harry being a Goblin was a problem. The problem was with too many villains. Venom should have been dropped and saved for the fourth film.

I know this is REALLY off topic, but why do you have an avatar of the Green Goblin when your name is Hobgoblin. You're not a fan of Mark Hamill? Sorry to nitpick, but I just can't stand the confusion surrounding the second Green Goblin and the Hobgoblin. :cwink:

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think she will be Talia. I'm very curious, though.

I think she'll end up being something we didn't even think of for her as will JGL. Just like we never saw Bane coming by and large. Watch JGL end up as Robin or something, and her someone obscure.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Well here are my top picks...

#1: Lady Shiva
#2: Sofia Falcone
#3: Talia al Ghul
#4: Holly Robinson (doubtful)
#5 Julie Madison (really doubtful)

The only reason Lady Shiva is so high on the list is because of Bane.

[Hobgoblin]

I know this is REALLY off topic, but why do you have an avatar of the Green Goblin when your name is Hobgoblin. You're not a fan of Mark Hamill? Sorry to nitpick, but I just can't stand the confusion surrounding the second Green Goblin and the Hobgoblin. :cwink:

Everyone love Mark Hamill's voice ovr work. Everyone. :cmad:

At the time, someone else had the name Green Goblin, even though I'm more a Green Goblin fan than Hobgoblin.

[raybia]

Did you check the time on that article. Because I think that one said yesterday.

Really? Damn. Oh well. It seems its all but a certainty at this point. The real news will be who she will play. Hopefully when its announced they won't do the same bs as they did with JGL and tell us who he is playing.

[flickchick85]

We'll see what happens. This is getting so difficult to figure out. Maybe that's a good thing?
Absolutely! :up:

It harkens back to a simpler, less wi-fi-infused time, when there was no such thing as Twitter, Deadline, or the internet, and the only info audiences received about upcoming blockbusters was whatever studios put in their press releases, right up until the movie opened in theaters. And it was beautiful. :D

[childeroland]

Apologies if someone else already threw this up. But according to Anne Thompson (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2011/02/14/daily_read_development_watch6/#more):

...Should timing work out, [Cotillard's] role would be Thalia (sic) Al Ghul, daughter of Liam Neesan’s villain character in Batman Begins.

[jmc]

Anne's just going off the rumours.

[BigEggo]

really dont want talia in the film,its like a license to dilute bane.lady shiva is who im hoping for.

[jmc]

And can one of the mods fix up Marion's last name in the thread title, it's spelled Cotillard.

[MiniBond]

And can one of the mods fix up Marion's last name in the thread title, it's spelled Cotillard.

that's been bothering me for days...I just kept forgetting to ask !:woot:

[Mr. Earle]

Its spelled like that but its pronounced Cotiyard. The double "L" when followed by "a" and some other letters is pronounced like that.

Just some trivia.

[Avengers-Report]

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/22153

[jmc]

Its spelled like that but its pronounced Cotiyard. The double ''L&'' when followed by ''a'' and some other letters is pronounced like that.

Just some trivia.

Actually the 'd' is silent. It's pronounced Co-tee-yar.

[Avengers-Report]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/14/marion.cotillard.batman.ppl/index.html?hpt=Sbin

[Mr. Earle]

Actually the 'd' is silent. It's pronounced Co-tee-yar.
Indeed. I forgot about that. It's been a long time since i studied french.

[Grayson]

I was hoping he wouldn't bring the trilogy into familiar territory by tying the 3rd to the 1st, but oh well.

[Jokers_Wild]

So with the CNN report, I guess it's official. Doesn't mean she's playing Talia though...unless that was confirmed and I don't know about it.

[jmc]

^ It's still not confirmed yet nor am I convinced 100% she'd commit so soon after giving birth. But if she's ends up being in it we can't really complain. Gonna be a tad weird though seeing the woman many wanted as Catwoman in the film not playing Catwoman.

[*Whiplash*]

Well it's claimed that filming starts again in November so maybe that's when she's doing her scenes?

[raybia]

It's been announced she is Taila and Jfk is black mask

[Gianakin_]

It's been announced she is Taila and Jfk is black mask

JFK is back from the dead?:oldrazz:
Just kidding, my friend! Where did you hear this?

[Nevincer]

It's been announced she is Taila and Jfk is black mask
Source?

[MiniBond]

Source?

I think that was a joke:woot:

edit: I just saw in the info thread that he meant JGL :woot:

[Bat-Mite]

I saw that CNN report a couple of days ago and thought about posting it, but what people need to realize is that that's not an article authored by anyone at CNN. It's just the People magazine article copied and pasted to their site. And since CNN and People have a partnership/are owned by the same people, it was probably posted to CNN around the same time that it was posted to People's site. This really doesn't change anything.

[Nevincer]

I think that was a joke:woot:

edit: I just saw in the info thread that he meant JGL :woot:
I thought so too... but considering that was just a typo, I don't see what's so funny about it :huh:

[MiniBond]

I thought so too... but considering that was just a typo, I don't see what's so funny about it :huh:

not funny indeed....at first I didn't realize that was a typo !

[raybia]

I think that was a joke:woot:

No joke. No able to post very well since I'm driving but i came from **************.com who is reporting WB made the announcement

[MiniBond]

I MADE AN EDIT :woot::o:woot:

[Nevincer]

No joke. No able to post very well since I'm driving but i came from **************.com who is reporting WB made the announcement
I can't find it :huh:

[MiniBond]

since when is Sionis/black mask one of batman's most popular villain ???:huh::huh:

[raybia]

I can't find it :huh:

I'll try and post it in a moment

[MiniBond]

The Dark Knight Rises Casting Announcement
Warner Bros. Pictures casting announcement on action thriller The Dark Knight Rises
BURBANK, CA
February 16, 2011

Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Marion Cotillard and Joseph Gordon-Levitt have been cast in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises and will join an ensemble cast alongside Christian Bale who returns in the title role of Bruce Wayne/Batman. They will play Talia al Ghul and Roman Sionis respectively.

On casting Cotillard, Director Christopher Nolan stated, "I am delighted to have the opportunity to work with Marion again and have no doubt she will be a great addition to our ensemble cast and bring to life a key part of the universe we have created as we finish our story."

On the addition of Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Nolan said, "I am thrilled to be working with Joseph again after a delightful experience working with him on Inception and am certain he will deliver another thrilling performance as one of Batman's most popular villains."

Nolan will direct the film from a screenplay he wrote with Jonathan Nolan, from a story by Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer. Nolan will also produce the film with his longtime producing partner, Emma Thomas, and Charles Roven.

The Dark Knight Rises is slated for release on July 20, 2012. The film will be distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company.
http://www.**************.com/news/?a=30217


weird !

[raybia]

since when is Sionis/black mask one of batman's most popular villain ???:huh::huh:

Did u find it? Can u post it?

[Nevincer]

AWESOME! I -knew- they would pick Black Mask over a regular mob villain. If Alberto Falcone was chosen I doubt he'd be the Holiday Killer, so Black Mask was the only route to go in order to show that the mob has escalated to freak status as the Joker foretold. Talia was expected, though still a surprising choice considering Selina Kyle is also in the movie.

[MiniBond]

The Dark Knight Rises Casting Announcement
Warner Bros. Pictures casting announcement on action thriller The Dark Knight Rises
BURBANK, CA
February 16, 2011

Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Marion Cotillard and Joseph Gordon-Levitt have been cast in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises and will join an ensemble cast alongside Christian Bale who returns in the title role of Bruce Wayne/Batman. They will play Talia al Ghul and Roman Sionis respectively.

On casting Cotillard, Director Christopher Nolan stated, "I am delighted to have the opportunity to work with Marion again and have no doubt she will be a great addition to our ensemble cast and bring to life a key part of the universe we have created as we finish our story."

On the addition of Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Nolan said, "I am thrilled to be working with Joseph again after a delightful experience working with him on Inception and am certain he will deliver another thrilling performance as one of Batman's most popular villains."

Nolan will direct the film from a screenplay he wrote with Jonathan Nolan, from a story by Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer. Nolan will also produce the film with his longtime producing partner, Emma Thomas, and Charles Roven.

The Dark Knight Rises is slated for release on July 20, 2012. The film will be distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company.
http://www.**************.com/news/?a=30217


calling it fake....sionis is not one of batman's most popular villain !!!:doh::doh:

[kvz5]

Sounds fake to me. Why would Nolan use the exact same quotes that he used for Hathaway and Hardy and just replace it with Marion and JGL?

[Mr. Earle]

So we have:

Bane
Catwoman
Talia
Black Mask


This is starting to look a lot like Spiderman 3, unless Talia and Bane are both in the league of shadows, with Bane being her main man or something.

[Bat-Mite]

Saying that it was posted on CBM is the same as saying it was in the Weekly World News.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4624/wwncover.jpg

MAYBE for once they got a legit scoop, but everything they've posted so far regarding this movie has been rubbish, and I can't find that "announcement" anywhere outside of their site. It's looking like BS.

[Mako]

I think I'll believe when it's on some sites other than CBM.

[raybia]

Remember, I just reported it was announced, not that it was true

[BigEggo]

buuuuuull.links are dead for me,not sure if thats happening to anyone else? if so,clearly it was just idle speculation.

[RustyCage]

It's been announced she is Taila and Jfk is black mask

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/3/0/Tretick-JFK-Campaign-Airplane--1960-30443.jpg

[raybia]

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/3/0/Tretick-JFK-Campaign-Airplane--1960-30443.jpg

Damn auto correcter. :cmad:

[Van Petrol]

That's a MEGA FAKE! It's basically just a cut, paste and edit of the Hathaway/Hardy press release.

[RustyCage]

Damn auto correcter. :cmad:

I love it. :funny:

[ALP]

Marion Cottilard as Talia? Do not want!

[CrAnE]

Has Anyone Said Janice Porter yet? Gotham needs a new D.A. and if Bats is on the run who better the lead the manhunt and oppose Gordon.

Just a Thought

[Cunning Stunts]

So we have:

Bane
Catwoman
Talia
Black Mask


This is starting to look a lot like Spiderman 3, unless Talia and Bane are both in the league of shadows, with Bane being her main man or something.

We have the same lineup template that was used in the past two movies. :huh:

[Doctor Jones]

http://www.**************.com/news/?a=30217


weird !

Smells of fish in ****.

[Avengers-Report]

This is starting to get out of control lol.

[ALP]

We have the same lineup template that was used in the past two movies. :huh:

Two possible female villains competing for Bruce Wayne/Batman? I don't think so.

[Blader5489]

Two possible female villains competing for Bruce Wayne/Batman? I don't think so.

Love interest, 1 mob villain, 2 supervillains

BB: Rachel, Falcone, Scarecrow, Ra's
TDK: Rachel, Maroni (+others), Joker, Two-Face
DKR: Cotillard, JGL, Bane, Catwoman


(Just joining in on the JGL = Alberto Falcone speculation, but even if that's not true, it's still not a surplus character when comparing cast size to the other movies.)

[kvz5]

I hope we get some confirmation about this soon. I'd really love to see this two work together again!

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/21/66732330.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/435/88573780.jpg

[flickchick85]

I hope we get some confirmation about this soon. I'd really love to see this two work together again!

Me too! I always enjoyed this pair of pictures of them:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9873/christianmarionmann05.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5263/marionchristianmann03.jpg

[ALP]

Love interest, 1 mob villain, 2 supervillains

BB: Rachel, Falcone, Scarecrow, Ra's
TDK: Rachel, Maroni (+others), Joker, Two-Face
DKR: Cotillard, JGL, Bane, Catwoman


(Just joining in on the JGL = Alberto Falcone speculation, but even if that's not true, it's still not a surplus character when comparing cast size to the other movies.)

Huh? Who are you counting as the love interset? Marion playing a potential Talia or Catwoman?

By either means, both characters require far more focus and screentime than Rachel got in TDK. Aside from that one of the two 'costumed' villains in TDK did not actually become the costumed villain until the last 20 or so minutes of the film. So Bane or Catwoman(or Talia) won't become the antagonist until the last portion of the film? I don't think so.

The templates are not similar and it is fruitless to compare them. You're first line "love interst, mob boss, super villains," is just far too vague.

[kvz5]

Me too! I always enjoyed this pair of pictures of them:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9873/christianmarionmann05.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5263/marionchristianmann03.jpg

Adorable! It's like they're taking turns looking at each other! :awesome:

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Bale and Cottilard are made for each other. They've each got a little unusual bump on their faces.

[gnisis]

Any more word on this? I don't post here often but I am getting too amped. I need to know if this has been/will be verified:

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/02/16/marion-cotillard-joseph-gordon-levitt-confirmed-for-dark-knight-rises/

[Blader5489]

Huh? Who are you counting as the love interset? Marion playing a potential Talia or Catwoman?

Marion is in consideration for the love interest role, as per even the latest THR article.

Aside from that one of the two 'costumed' villains in TDK did not actually become the costumed villain until the last 20 or so minutes of the film.

Jesus, would it have helped if I said "Dent/Two-Face" instead? It doesn't matter when he became a full blown villain or not, his character was prevalent throughout the whole movie.

You're first line "love interst, mob boss, super villains," is just far too vague.

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.

[gnisis]

Any more word on this? I don't post here often but I am getting too amped. I need to know if this has been/will be verified:

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/02/16/marion-cotillard-joseph-gordon-levitt-confirmed-for-dark-knight-rises/

And if this IS true, I am going to nerd-gasm all over my screen right now

[Blader5489]

Any more word on this? I don't post here often but I am getting too amped. I need to know if this has been/will be verified:

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/02/16/marion-cotillard-joseph-gordon-levitt-confirmed-for-dark-knight-rises/

Read the link, it even says FAKE at the top.

[gnisis]

Read the link, it even says FAKE at the top.

I know it says FAKE in the link I posted, but I've also seen other sources that present conflicting info. Which is it? Is the final ruling: fake? Damn, I want it to be true.

[TheBatman072]

Yes, it's fake.

[jmc]

I know it says FAKE in the link I posted, but I've also seen other sources that present conflicting info. Which is it? Is the final ruling: fake? Damn, I want it to be true.

Come on mate, use a bit of common sense.

[ALP]

Marion is in consideration for the love interest role, as per even the latest THR article.

So do these latest reports mean Catwoman is no longer the love interest? I'm not buying that.


Jesus, would it have helped if I said "Dent/Two-Face" instead? It doesn't matter when he became a full blown villain or not, his character was prevalent throughout the whole movie.


I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.Well then you just have a poor example of a template. We may as well also include Lau, the Chechen, Reese, and possibly Gambol also as the antagonists.

[gnisis]

Come on mate, use a bit of common sense.

Hey, just looking for some clear answers is all my friend. I know I should know better, but I saw two sites suggesting it was true and a few others saying it was false.

[Blader5489]

So do these latest reports mean Catwoman is no longer the love interest? I'm not buying that.

The original report back in the fall said Nolan was looking for two actresses: one to play a love interest, one to play a villain. Hathaway was cast as the latter, and the THR article says that Cotillard is in talks for the former.

Nobody ever said Catwoman was a love interest in the first place anyway.

Hey, just looking for some clear answers is all my friend. I know I should know better, but I saw two sites suggesting it was true and a few others saying it was false.

It's fake. Someone just took the Hardy/Hathaway press release and swapped out their names with Marion and JGL.

[Avengers-Report]

Talia, Black Mask, Catwoman and Bane would be too much for one film.

[Secret Fawful]

Nolan's Batman films have no limits.

[Excelsior.]

Catwoman is the both the love interest and the villain. Nolan wants a fully realized Catwoman I am sure, and not a cardboard cutout villain. While some other women plays the "lover".

[Coaxial]

I think "love interest" doesn't necessarily mean the woman that Bruce/Batman has feelings for. I'd imagine that Cotillard will play the woman Bruce is dating officially, but not the woman who he's really attracted to (Catwoman). A lot of the movie will deal with Bruce's love/hate relationship with Selina.

[Avengers-Report]

I think "love interest" doesn't necessarily mean the woman that Bruce/Batman has feelings for. I'd imagine that Cotillard will play the woman Bruce is dating officially, but not the woman who he's really attracted to (Catwoman). A lot of the movie will deal with Bruce's love/hate relationship with Selina.

I somewhat agree. What makes Catwoman really interesting is Bruce doesn't see her as a normal girl. She is Batman's counter part, and we know how much Bruce prefers being Batman than Catwoman.

Having a love interest other than Catwoman/Selina just magnifies the relationship between Catwoman and Batman.

[Excelsior.]

I doubt an actress of Marion's caliber will play a simple love interest. Before anyone brings up Inception, she was more than that.


Anyways, an off topic question, has Marion ever gone nude for a role?

[Figs]

I doubt an actress of Marion's caliber will play a simple love interest.

I take it you haven't seen Public Enemies then.

[moe]

I doubt an actress of Marion's caliber will play a simple love interest. Before anyone brings up Inception, she was more than that.

Anyways, an off topic question, has Marion ever gone nude for a role?
http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/alfred-michael-caine-snapshot20080504110521.jpg

"Oh, you have no idea!"

[Excelsior.]

I take it you haven't seen Public Enemies then.She was the primary female character, not second fiddle to Anne Hathaway.

[Coaxial]

Eh, not every good actress needs to be a main, or even central character (Cate Blanchett as Galadriel in LOTR for example).

[flickchick85]

Anyways, an off topic question, has Marion ever gone nude for a role?
LOL, she made her career doing French movies. I don't know how many French movies you've seen, but they're not exactly shy over there. :cwink:

[jmc]

Anyways, an off topic question, has Marion ever gone nude for a role?

Oh yeah. ;)

P.S. Mods can someone please fix Marion's last name in the thread title, it's annoying the living crap out of me.

[aandfrugby25]

Im sorry but am I the only one who dosnt think Talia should be in this movie. I would have liked to see her in the first one sure but I feel her time has passed. I think the main reason she is an interesting character is because she represents how easy it would be to join with Ras. Think about it if Batman joins Ras he gets an army and can be with a woman he loves. But instead he chooses the harder path. Tali is one of the main things that make Ras's way more appealing. I feel introducing her now would just be silly. Just my opinion try not to blast me to hard lol.

[jmc]

^ I agree and many others do too. You're not the only one. The Talia issue seems to be a bit of a 50/50 split amongst the fans.

[insider1970]

Does anybody think that it's a "done deal" with Marion (that's why the original French article mentioned it as a sure thing) but they are talking "mumbo-jumbo" with the "in talks" thing just to create anticipitation among the eager fans? I know the hype is already pretty high, but a little more never mind. I bet they know how most of the fans wanted Marion in the film from the very start, some were disappointed she wasn't Catwoman, and now they are enjoying the hell out of it? I bet she is already in it, all these "in talks" thing is just a deviation just to build up anticipation among the fans.

Besides, when the Tom Hardy news came about his casting back in October (?), does anyone remember how soon after the "Deadline" brought the news (it was them, wasn't it?) his casting was confirmed by WB or Hardy? I DON'T MEAN THE OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE of January.

[jmc]

I think the talks are legit and it wouldn't surprise me if they started during Inception. There was word in October that she was offered a role but turned it down, which was probably due to the pregnancy. Something tells me Chris really wants her in this film and I don't think it's because of fan support. The talks are clearly about finding a schedule that works for all parties. I'm still not convinced though that she'll commit.

[Blader5489]

Does anybody think that it's a "done deal" with Marion (that's why the original French article mentioned it as a sure thing) but they are talking "mumbo-jumbo" with the "in talks" thing just to create anticipitation among the eager fans? I know the hype is already pretty high, but a little more never mind. I bet they know how most of the fans wanted Marion in the film from the very start, some were disappointed she wasn't Catwoman, and now they are enjoying the hell out of it? I bet she is already in it, all these "in talks" thing is just a deviation just to build up anticipation among the fans.

Besides, when the Tom Hardy news came about his casting back in October (?), does anyone remember how soon after the "Deadline" brought the news (it was them, wasn't it?) his casting was confirmed by WB or Hardy? I DON'T MEAN THE OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE of January.

Marion and JGL are basically a done deal, it's just a matter of figuring out all the scheduling.

[batlovescatDC]

^ I don't think it's a "done deal" yet. There are still some things to be sorted out. But with that said, I definitely wouldn't mind have Marion in this movie at all. She's an absolutely amazing actress and quickly becoming one of my favorites. BUT PLEASE... NO TALIA AL GHUL! Of course, I'm not gonna skip the movie or immediately crucify the film if it's confirmed that Talia is in it... but I'm really hoping that she plays a character like Julie Madison, Vicky Vale, or even another completely original character like Rachel Dawes.


These are the reasons why I don't want Talia in this movie:

1. She's just never operated well as solo character for me, even in the comics. Her background/story rely way too heavily on her father's background/story. And any story from the comics that she's had that DID NOT involve her father, I just haven't found it exciting.

2. Having two female villainess characters like Catwoman and Talia in the same film would just be COMPLETELY redundant.

3. Are we really supposed to buy the fact that she's out to seek revenge against Bruce Wayne for her father's death SEVEN YEARS AFTER HE DIED?!!!

4. Having Ras al Ghul's daughter all of suddenly pop up would totally contradict everything about the version/new take of Ras that they showed in Batman Begins. They role of Ras in the League of Shadows was left very open. Nolan and Goyer showed a take on TLOS that if one person that has the role of Ras should die, another would take the role over. For them to say, "Oh no, Ducard was the real Ras!" NOW would be completely ridiculous and too simplistic.

5. Ras and The League of Shadows weren't even MENTIONED in The Dark Knight. With all of the story that was left open to be told after the end of TDK, why revisit the story from the film before it? The story with Ras and the League of Shadows seemed very wrapped up for me and doesn't need to be revisited, especially in the FINAL film of the trilogy.

6. It would be just too many characters. I'm not trying to say that Nolan will give us another Batman & Robin AT ALL, so don't get me wrong. I trust Nolan enough to know that won't happen. But for the final film in the trilogy, this needs to focus primarily on THE MAIN CHARACTER... not the villains, not the supporting characters... Bruce. Having Catwoman/Selina Kyle, Bane, Talia al Ghul, and Alberto Falcone in this movie would be WAY too many characters taking up screen time that belongs to the main character.


So there u have it. Scratch my eyes out if you will, but for these reasons Talia SHOULD NOT be in this film.

[FlawlessVictory]

3. Are we really supposed to buy the fact that she's out to seek revenge against Bruce Wayne for her father's death SEVEN YEARS AFTER HE DIED?!!!

Real time and movie time are two different things, no?

[*Whiplash*]

Real time and movie time are two different things, no?

I would think so, otherwise Batman and GCPD took 3 years to capture The Joker.

Taking a guess, I'd say it's about 6 or 8 months between BB and TDK.

[batlovescatDC]

Real time and movie time are two different things, no?


Okay let's say 2, 3, or 4 years. It's still unrealistic. If someone seeks revenge for the death of their loved one they aren't going to wait years to do it.

[batlovescatDC]

I would think so, otherwise Batman and GCPD took 3 years to capture The Joker.

Taking a guess, I'd say it's about 6 or 8 months between BB and TDK.


Can't remember what site it was on but I remember Nolan saying that TDK took place one year after the events of BB within the months before TDK was released.

[KRIM]

Waiting for the most opportune moment and intensive planning are justifiable reasons for biding revenge.

[batlovescatDC]

^ And that once again goes to the point of the story needing to focus on Bruce. We don't need a character that's going to take time away from the character by explaining what she's been doing since the time of her father's death.

[iamcitizen]

^ And that once again goes to the point of the story needing to focus on Bruce. We don't need a character that's going to take time away from the character by explaining what she's been doing since the time of her father's death.

So who do you think Cotillard is going to play? Keep in mind that she can't do an American accent.

[BigEggo]

Can't remember what site it was on but I remember Nolan saying that TDK took place one year after the events of BB within the months before TDK was released.

doubt it.gordon gives batman the joker card at the end of BB,and scarecrow is still on the loose.wouldnt take a year for both of them to come into action again.a couple of months,maybe.

[iamcitizen]

Based on the clothing, I'd guess that BB takes place in the fall and TDK takes place the following spring.

[batman_1989_]

Cotillard is all kinds of wrong for Talia.Eva Green IS Talia Al Ghul!I see Cotillard playing Lady Shiva,through..

[flickchick85]

P.S. Mods can someone please fix Marion's last name in the thread title, it's annoying the living crap out of me.
Ha, I thought I was the only one who found this annoying. I second this request, Mods!

I'm not trying to argue for Talia's inclusion here, but regarding how "long" it would have taken her to seek revenge, I feel the need to point out that Ra's and the rest of his family appeared to be estranged in BB. So it may have taken her some time to even learn what really happened.

Also, I was under the impression that TDK was set about 6 months after BB.

[KRIM]

^ And that once again goes to the point of the story needing to focus on Bruce. We don't need a character that's going to take time away from the character by explaining what she's been doing since the time of her father's death.
It could be all of 10 seconds or 10 minutes. That's up to them. I don't see why it has to be fixed. I'm not liking the idea of Talia either, but ultimately what dictates her presence is going to be in the script. Not because of her name.

[Ekricket]

^
3. Are we really supposed to buy the fact that she's out to seek revenge against Bruce Wayne for her father's death SEVEN YEARS AFTER HE DIED?!!!



Maybe she was seven when he died? I mean Hit Girl could pull this off, but that's a different movie.

I'm still leaning towards Harly Quinn. Not a Batman love interest, not another major villian, just a character that can add some dimension to the film and some depth to Arkham Asylum.

[batlovescatDC]

So who do you think Cotillard is going to play? Keep in mind that she can't do an American accent.


She could be playing Julie Madison... why can't she be French? (Just using her as an example.) I'm all for seeing her as a love interest, I absolutely adore Marion... I just don't want to see her as Talia.

Hell, I'd even be all for her being another completely original character that Nolan and Goyer created. They created a great character with Rachel Dawes, IMO.

And btw... all these people arguing that Marion Cotillard MUST be playing Talia because she can't do an American accent... SINCE WHEN IS TALIA FRENCH?

[Paste Pot Pete]

Like I said in the other thread, I'm gonna go with Sasha Bordeaux.

Not because she has a good chance of actually being in the movie, but because she's the character I'd be most satisfied seeing Cotillard play.

[FlawlessVictory]

And btw... all these people arguing that Marion Cotillard MUST be playing Talia because she can't do an American accent... SINCE WHEN IS TALIA FRENCH?

There is the whole Henri Ducard alias. In Nolan's Batworld, Ra's is very familiar with the French. :cwink:

[flickchick85]

All I know is I really don't want to see Cotillard wasted yet again as another thankless love-interest character in a Hollywood movie (especially with Catwoman already partially serving that purpose as well) ala Public Enemies - which I thought she did well in, but come on, she was given practically nothing to work with. I realize she's still largely "unknown" in the US and has to pay her dues in Hollywood before getting the meaty roles, but she's one of the best actresses on the planet. She's better than Julie Madison, imo.

Even her small role in Inception was more interesting than usual, so I'm hoping Nolan feels the same way.

[jmc]

I'm still thinking she's playing an original character. Talia? don't think so. Julie Madison? Maybe but I'm doubtful. Sarah Essen? Possible, leading come sort of task force to apprehend Batman. Janice Porter? Again maybe, not sold on that one.

[FlawlessVictory]

All I know is I really don't want to see Cotillard wasted yet again as another thankless love-interest character in a Hollywood movie (especially with Catwoman already partially serving that purpose as well) ala Public Enemies - which I thought she did well in, but come on, she was given practically nothing to work with. I realize she's still largely "unknown" in the US and has to pay her dues in Hollywood before getting the meaty roles, but she's one of the best actresses on the planet. She's better than Julie Madison, imo.

Even her small role in Inception was more interesting than usual, so I'm hoping Nolan feels the same way.

Yup. IMO, she is best suited for some Talia badassery:

JxAfTaByfak

[jmc]

Still don't get the Talia fixation some of you have.

[FlawlessVictory]

Still don't get the Talia fixation some of you have.

I don't have a fixation, I don't mind either way. I'm not pushing for her character to be in the film. I'm just trying to think, if Marion has indeed been cast, who she would be best be suited to play. IMO, that's Talia.

[jmc]

Well Anne Hathaway isn't really suited for Catwoman and yet....just a sayin'.

[FlawlessVictory]

Well Anne Hathaway isn't really suited for Catwoman and yet....just a sayin'.

Huh? Why isn't she suited for Catwoman? I think she is definitely suited for Catwoman. Anne is attractive/sexy, talented and bears a resemblance to the character. What else is there?

[jmc]

Not arguing with any of that, I'm talking about her being cast against type.

[Van Petrol]

Still don't get the Talia fixation some of you have.

That's like saying people aren't entitled to their right to freedom of speech and opinion. That coupled with your signature doesn't make you look too cool mate, lol. :oldrazz:

[jmc]

That's like saying people aren't entitled to their right to freedom of speech and opinion. That coupled with your signature doesn't make you look too cool mate, lol. :oldrazz:

Said nothing of the sort. I said I don't get the fixation.

[Van Petrol]

Said nothing of the sort. I said I don't get the fixation.

The insinuation can be mistaken and seen in that light though. I should know, I've been on the receiving end of that sort of 'misunderstanding' many times.

[Dark Knight]

Waiting for the most opportune moment and intensive planning are justifiable reasons for biding revenge.


Yep. Especially when it comes to the Ra's, Talia and League of Shadows.

[jmc]

The insinuation can be mistaken and seen in that light though. I should know, I've been on the receiving end of that sort of 'misunderstanding' many times.

It's only there if you're looking for it. People can say whatever the bloody hell they want, I don't really care.

[Dark Knight]

Like I said in the other thread, I'm gonna go with Sasha Bordeaux.

Not because she has a good chance of actually being in the movie, but because she's the character I'd be most satisfied seeing Cotillard play.



I would rather see Essen, Talia, Sasha or Lady Shiva ahead of Julie Madison and Vicky Vale, thats for sure.

[RachelDawes]

I'm not trying to argue for Talia's inclusion here, but regarding how "long" it would have taken her to seek revenge, I feel the need to point out that Ra's and the rest of his family appeared to be estranged in BB. So it may have taken her some time to even learn what really happened.

Plus, depending how complicated her scheme is, she may have to take a year or two to put it together. Imagine how long Ra's had to plan to take down Gotham in BB.

[aandfrugby25]

I feel that the Talia ship has sailed. The best time to have seen her was in Batman Begins. To me, the most memorable part of her character's story is how she was arranged by Ras to marry Bruce and Bruce chose the road less traveled. That story is so great! On one hand Bruce is offered a father figure (Ras, who loves Bruce like a son), all the resources he needs to fight injustice not only in Gotham but the ENTIRE WORLD, and he is offered Talia's hand in marriage and he did fall in love with Talia. But instead Bruce chose the path of good and lost all of this.
I feel that whatever story concocted for Talia would pale in comparison to the classic tale we all know from the comics. But, like most of you, if Nolan says Talia's in the movie I will be on board 100%. After The Dark Knight, I really don't doubt his abilities as a storyteller what so ever.

I feel the same way if they put her in now it would just feel thrown together.

[jmc]

I'm not trying to argue for Talia's inclusion here, but regarding how ''long'' it would have taken her to seek revenge, I feel the need to point out that Ra's and the rest of his family appeared to be estranged in BB. So it may have taken her some time to even learn what really happened.



Estranged? His wife is dead.

[flickchick85]

Estranged? His wife is dead.
Yes, but he wasn't exactly hanging around his daughter (and whatever other family members might still be living), was he?

[jmc]

Don't you think the whole reason Ra's is in the league of shadows is because he's alone? The LOS come across as a place for lost souls, I've said this before but I don't buy for a second, especially with that scene in which he's talking to Bruce about his wife, that had Ra's had a daughter he would have turned to the LOS because he still would have had something in the world to hang onto. This is why I feel Talia appearing is almost a retcon of the first film and will come across as soap opera-ish, coz I don't believe that man had anything left in this world and like Bruce turned to the LOS.

[aandfrugby25]

Estranged? His wife is dead.

Wow thats pretty estranged if you ask me.

[Mercurius]

I'm really expecting a huge good surprise in this movie, as I have learned not to be suspicious about Nolan.

But the fact that Cotillard is in the movie, not being Catwoman (she is Selina Kyle for me, has the intensity, as an actress, to play the part), AND with Anne Hathaway BEING Catwoman...

It is sorta Bizarro World for me.

[jmc]

Wow thats pretty estranged if you ask me.

Doesn't get much more estranged than that. :hehe:

[Van Petrol]

It's only there if you're looking for it. People can say whatever the bloody hell they want, I don't really care.

I know. Hence the ":oldrazz:" in my original post. No need to loose your temper. :o

[Van Petrol]

Estranged? His wife is dead.

Talia would be the 'rest of his family' doesn't necessarily have to include his wife seeing as she's dead. There's also the possibility of the existence of Nyssa Al Ghul too. Among other potential Al Ghul family members.

[aandfrugby25]

Doesn't get much more estranged than that. :hehe:

I hear that Harvery Dent and Rachel Dawes have recently been estranged.

[flickchick85]

Don't you think the whole reason Ra's is in the league of shadows is because he's alone? The LOS come across as a place for lost souls, I've said this before but I don't buy for a second, especially with that scene in which he's talking to Bruce about his wife, that had Ra's had a daughter he would have turned to the LOS because he still would have had something in the world to hang onto. This is why I feel Talia appearing is almost a retcon of the first film and will come across as soap opera-ish, coz I don't believe that man had anything left in this world and like Bruce turned to the LOS.
I thought his wife's death just pushed him over the edge and caused him to alienate any one else he knew. So yes, I felt he was alone, but I also thought it was somewhat self-imposed.

[KRIM]

Don't you think the whole reason Ra's is in the league of shadows is because he's alone? The LOS come across as a place for lost souls, I've said this before but I don't buy for a second, especially with that scene in which he's talking to Bruce about his wife, that had Ra's had a daughter he would have turned to the LOS because he still would have had something in the world to hang onto. This is why I feel Talia appearing is almost a retcon of the first film and will come across as soap opera-ish, coz I don't believe that man had anything left in this world and like Bruce turned to the LOS.
You don't need to be companion-less or loveless to seek solitude or a life that purposefully keeps friends and family away. People have their reasons for doing so, regardless of what they have at home. It could be to serve a greater purpose. Or it could be to avoid shame and guilt. Perhaps it's too painful to involve them in whatever path they've chosen.

Surely you've seen this scenario play out dozens of times in real life. Maybe even in your own, without knowing it.

[Van Petrol]

Don't you think the whole reason Ra's is in the league of shadows is because he's alone? The LOS come across as a place for lost souls, I've said this before but I don't buy for a second, especially with that scene in which he's talking to Bruce about his wife, that had Ra's had a daughter he would have turned to the LOS because he still would have had something in the world to hang onto. This is why I feel Talia appearing is almost a retcon of the first film and will come across as soap opera-ish, coz I don't believe that man had anything left in this world and like Bruce turned to the LOS.
The BB novel seems to suggest otherwise.


I thought his wife's death just pushed him over the edge and caused him to alienate any one else he knew. So yes, I felt he was alone, but I also thought it was somewhat self-imposed.
Good, open way of looking at things.

[jmc]

The BB novel seems to suggest otherwise.



We're not talking about the novelization. I thought his wife's death just pushed him over the edge and caused him to alienate any one else he knew. So yes, I felt he was alone, but I also thought it was somewhat self-imposed.

So how does Talia fit in then if he's alienated everyone else? Can you see how cumbersome this starts to become? This is why I'm certain Chris will not use the character.

[aandfrugby25]

The only reason Talia is a good charecter is to give Batman a reason to want to stay with Rhas and the League.

[jmc]

You don't need to be companion-less or loveless to seek solitude or a life that purposefully keeps friends and family away. People have their reasons for doing so, regardless of what they have at home. It could be to serve a greater purpose. Or it could be to avoid shame and guilt. Perhaps it's too painful to involve them in whatever path they've chosen.

Surely you've seen this scenario play out dozens of times in real life. Maybe even in your own, without knowing it.

All well and good, but what was presented in BB seems fairly clear, Ra's is someone who lost everything and turned to the league of shadow, he's shown to be someone analogous to Bruce. The only reason Talia is a good charecter is to give Batman a reason to want to stay with Rhas and the League.

Yes, she's a lure.

[Van Petrol]

We're not talking about the novelization.
It could still be classed as part of the BB universe, could it not?


So how does Talia fit in then if he's alienated everyone else? Can you see how cumbersome this starts to become? This is why I'm certain Chris will not use the character.
I don't think he will either.

[Van Petrol]

All well and good, but what was presented in BB seems fairly clear, Ra's is someone who lost everything and turned to the league of shadow, he's shown to be someone analogous to Bruce.

Yes, she's a lure.
Nothing was presented definitively though, it can be argued that most has been left open to interpretation.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I'm in totally agreement with JMC on Talia, and we've talked about it before.

It's POSSIBLE that Ra's has a daughter, but based purely on the text (we must take BB as the only "text" - imagine you're not aware of the comics) it's pretty obvious that he doesn't.

It's POSSIBLE that Nolan could make it work, as he's great, but it's going to be hard to not have it come off as an Obi-Wan type "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view..." deal.

[aandfrugby25]

All well and good, but what was presented in BB seems fairly clear, Ra's is someone who lost everything and turned to the league of shadow, he's shown to be someone analogous to Bruce.

Yes, she's a lure.

And what a fine lure she is *growl*. If i was Bruce no way could i turn down sex with Talia and an army to rule.... I forget if eternal life was on the table but morals be damed im joining the league of shadows.

[KRIM]

All well and good, but what was presented in BB seems fairly clear, Ra's is someone who lost everything and turned to the league of shadow, he's shown to be someone analogous to Bruce.

What's clear is Ra's has a previous life before the LoS. That is not to say it's been stripped away from him and he has nothing to go back to. There would be more evidence had Ra's plainly stating something along the lines of, "I am alone". And even then it's not conclusive as there's a distinguished difference between feeling lonely and being actually alone.

[Van Petrol]

I'm in totally agreement with JMC on Talia, and we've talked about it before.

It's POSSIBLE that Ra's has a daughter, but based purely on the text (we must take BB as the only "text" - imagine you're not aware of the comics) it's pretty obvious that he doesn't.

It's POSSIBLE that Nolan could make it work, as he's great, but it's going to be hard to not have it come off as an Obi-Wan type "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view..." deal.

In total agreement with you mate. While I wound tend to agree with you and jmc on the possibility of Talia's inclusion into the trilogy, I just don't think we can definitively dismiss everything, as we haven't been given 'definitive' answers so to speak, that's all.

[Van Petrol]

What's clear is Ra's has a previous life before the LoS. That is not to say it's been stripped away from him and he has nothing to go back to. There would be more evidence had Ra's plainly stating something along the lines of, "I am alone". And even then it's not conclusive as there's a distinguished difference between feeling lonely and being actually alone.

Open-minded thinking get abig :up: from me.


One thing to consider. Nolan likes to make films that make you think, and taking an open-minded approach to things will surely put you in good stead... :oldrazz::woot:

[aandfrugby25]

In total agreement with you mate. While I wound tend to agree with you and jmc on the possibility og Talia's inclusion into the trilogy, I just don't think we can definitively dismiss everything, as we haven't been given 'definitive' answers so to speak, that's all.

I agree that Nolan could write her in the next movie, i just dont feel there is any point in doing so. The best place to have her would have been in the first movie. Now there is just no reason to add her other than just because.

[*Whiplash*]

The only way I can think of this whole Talia situation working is if Bruce somehow ends up meeting her by getting more involved with WE.

She's a ''business woman'' and Bruce will find her attractive etc.. Then there's the getting to know each other while she's in Gotham, to find they've both lost their parents but it's never mentioned (on her part) directly as in ''I know lost my dad because he was killed by Batman and I know it's you''.

They will perhaps make some deals between her ''company'' and Wayne Enterprises, (she's obviously planning to ruin or to take over Gothams biggest company and eventually the city) and that's when Bane and the LoS enter.

I really don't know where I'm going with this, I'm just throwing around ideas, or BS probably. Let's call it 'venting'... :p

[flickchick85]

We're not talking about the novelization.

So how does Talia fit in then if he's alienated everyone else? Can you see how cumbersome this starts to become? This is why I'm certain Chris will not use the character.
What's so cumbersome? Again, I don't necessarily want to see Talia, but there are plenty of ways that story would play out. Maybe Talia had been searching for her father for years, you never know. And I'm not about to make an assumption one way or the other at this point.

[Nave 'Torment']

And... don't forget that there is always a good possibility of a completely original interpretation of the character. But somehow... I have to ask how this is relevant to the "Early Years" story that is being told from the first film? How is Talia's inclusion into the franchise stating anything about Batman's early adventures at all?

With Catwoman there's the definitive answer that she's been a) a very important foe from the beginning, b) Batman's "ultimate" love interest, and c) her importance in early stories such as Year One and The Long Halloween established it in the comics. As well as her role as one of the oldest foes from the Golden Age. She's as important as the Joker.

For Bane, from the standpoint of the comics chronology - he appears somewhat in the very middle of Batman's crime fighting career. If anything, he marks the point where the 'early years' end and a new legacy of the dark knight exists that Bane has come to destroy. It makes sense.

I wonder how Talia can fall into this? The League of Shadows, set in the film's continuity, did play a role in Batman's early career, but does it really have a 'loose end'? Thoughts?

[Hurm...]

Nolan is open minded. However, the idea to go back to the first film's characters and expand on a spin off of a dead character's arc is out of character in terms of Nolan's storytelling abilities. Nolan has proven to be creative enough to show the evolution of each character's story in these films, and to suddenly decide to backtrack and reopen stories on the LOS and Al Ghul just doesn't seem likely.

With that being said, if Nolan does in fact go back to the stories of The League of Shadows and Al Ghul's daughter, I don't think the film's plot line is being used to it's full potential. It will be jampacked with characters that I doubt he can give justice to in a 2 and a half hour film. He would resort to expanding on a small detail of Ras Al Ghul, which is just lazy writing IMO and uninteresting. There is so much more that can be done with giving closure to this incredible franchise and going back to the first film in search of ways to create an interesting plot line is lazy and cliche.

Again, I highly doubt Nolan will add Talia or Alberto into TDKR. It just seems like something I would read in the Fan Fiction subforum of the Hype.

[jmc]

The other thing to consider is the other actresses Nolan has talked with - Winslet and Weisz.

[Doctor Jones]

Cotillard is pretty much not a rumor anymore. Her rep said it was in the discussions stage. But it could very well be she will be cast soon.

Bane and Catwoman is fine with me. I don't need to see Talia.

But who knows. If she is in it, by 2012, I'll walk out of the theater saying it couldn't have been done any other way.

[jonathancrane]

The other thing to consider is the other actresses Nolan has talked with - Winslet and Weisz.

Kate Winslet? Hmm....that would be an interesting casting. But, hey, Cotillard will create an excellent performance. But, I don't think she will be Talia, though. I'm gambling that she will be an original Nolan character.

[CrAnE]

Winslet, Weisz, and Cotillard? I smell Janice Porter

[kvz5]

The other one Nolan apparently talked and read with was Naomi Watts. So Marion, Watts, Weisz and Winslet.

[CrAnE]

If it is Porter, I like Winslet but u really can't go wrong with any of these four

[TheBatman072]

Hell, it could even be Sarah Essen. I could easily see any of them in either role really.

But it won't be Talia.

[kvz5]

^ Yup. They're all high caliber actresses so it doesn't really matter who is chosen. I do think though that because of these choices, the character is not Talia.

[iamcitizen]

Nolan has proven to be creative enough to show the evolution of each character's story in these films, and to suddenly decide to backtrack and reopen stories on the LOS and Al Ghul just doesn't seem likely.

With that being said, if Nolan does in fact go back to the stories of The League of Shadows and Al Ghul's daughter I will lose a lot of faith in his ability to pull off this film.

Wow. So Nolan has proven his abilities and creativity, but if he picks a character you don't like the movie is doomed to suck?

As for me, I also believe that Nolan has proven his abilities and creativity, and that means that there is NOTHING that will convince me that this movie will suck. Every single movie this guy has made has been good. If this movie sucks, it will be a pretty big suprise to me.

Now, I do agree with your objections to Talia, Sofia and/or Alberto appearing in this movie. Nothing in BB even hinted that Falcone or Ra's had children, so for them to suddenly show up would be pretty cheesy. But if Nolan does choose to have Talia in the movie, it would make me doubt my own objections, not doubt Nolan.

[Nevincer]

Look, I find it strange and somewhat pointless for Nolan to revisit the League of Shadows as much as the next guy. In fact, if we have to have any Al Ghuls return then part of me wishes at this stage that instead of the third act of Begins we had Batman fighting the Scarecrow as a central threat, and Ra's (as Ducard) would make his return post-TDK with Talia, as I think that would have made better sense in the narrative, but Nolan only focuses on one movie at a time alas.

The mission of this movie based on Nolan's quotes is supposedly to resolve the plots of the last two movies, or "finish their story". That's TDK and Begins. Wally Pfister reinforced this in his interview where he mentioned how he had read the script and it made the viewing experience of Begins and TDK much more enjoyable as a contained trilogy. Take that as you will, but I know I'm taking from it that this film will be thoroughly connected to the last two pictures, and not doing what TDK did where it feels less like a sequel and more like another tale in a similar batman mythology. If it only followed up on TDK, then the problem is that it singles out Begins, and I know a lot of people here don't have a problem with that but maybe Nolan does considering TDK didn't follow up Begins enough in the first place for the story to feel full circle. You know, I think there's more creative ways to revisit things in Begins that were left up in the air in TDK than revisiting the League of Shadows (Bruce's parents, Falcone anyone?), but I digress.

And Talia Al Ghul does seem out of the left field without her father, but I get the feeling her and the league have been lingering in either Nolan or the producers minds for a while. As someone brouht up earlier, she was mentioned in the novelization very briefly. But another thing to point out is the viral based Gotham Tonight for TDK also mentioned how the attackers (the League of Shadows) mysteriously disappeared after the fear toxin was released in Gotham City, so technically, their wherabouts is a loose end in the 'story' depending on the canonicity of that. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, the virals also mentioned Edward Nashton who's confirmed to not be appearing, but that was obviously inserted by the company designing the viral sites whilst I get the sense that the Gotham Tonight segments at least were shot with direction by Nolan in mind.

It's definitely a strange choice and a stretch for her to be in the movie, but seeing as her name was mentioned along with Selina Kyle by our most reliable source thus far (Deadline) and they're getting someone of Marion Cottillard's calibre to play a role, then I think it's a strong possibility.

That's just my two cents.

[Dark Knight]

Look, I find it strange and somewhat pointless for Nolan to revisit the League of Shadows as much as the next guy. In fact, if we have to have any Al Ghuls return then part of me wishes at this stage that instead of the third act of Begins we had Batman fighting the Scarecrow as a central threat, and Ra's (as Ducard) would make his return post-TDK with Talia, as I think that would have made better sense in the narrative, but Nolan only focuses on one movie at a time alas.

The mission of this movie based on Nolan's quotes is supposedly to resolve the plots of the last two movies, or "finish their story". That's TDK and Begins. Wally Pfister reinforced this in his interview where he mentioned how he had read the script and it made the viewing experience of Begins and TDK much more enjoyable as a contained trilogy. Take that as you will, but I know I'm taking from it that this film will be thoroughly connected to the last two pictures, and not doing what TDK did where it feels less like a sequel and more like another tale in a similar batman mythology. If it only followed up on TDK, then the problem is that it singles out Begins, and I know a lot of people here don't have a problem with that but maybe Nolan does considering TDK didn't follow up Begins enough in the first place for the story to feel full circle. You know, I think there's more creative ways to revisit things in Begins that were left up in the air in TDK than revisiting the League of Shadows (Bruce's parents, Falcone anyone?), but I digress.

And Talia Al Ghul does seem out of the left field without her father, but I get the feeling her and the league have been lingering in either Nolan or the producers minds for a while. As someone brouht up earlier, she was mentioned in the novelization very briefly. But another thing to point out is the viral based Gotham Tonight for TDK also mentioned how the attackers (the League of Shadows) mysteriously disappeared after the fear toxin was released in Gotham City, so technically, their wherabouts is a loose end in the 'story' depending on the canonicity of that. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, the virals also mentioned Edward Nashton who's confirmed to not be appearing, but that was obviously inserted by the company designing the viral sites whilst I get the sense that the Gotham Tonight segments at least were shot with direction by Nolan in mind.

It's definitely a strange choice and a stretch for her to be in the movie, but seeing as her name was mentioned along with Selina Kyle by our most reliable source thus far (Deadline) and they're getting someone of Marion Cottillard's calibre to play a role, then I think it's a strong possibility.

That's just my two cents.



Bringing in the LOS and or Talia, would be way of tying up some "loose ends" so to speak from BB basically.

I would ZERO problem with seeing Talia wind up in this film...especially if it fits the story the Nolans want to tell and the whole narrative in general.

Batman and Catwoman vs Bane and Talia would be EPIC to see onscreen IMO! :woot:

[iamcitizen]

^I sort of got the feeling from Batman Begins that Ra's was lying about the League of Shadows being an ancient organization that destroyed Rome and Constantinople. All that talk about "making yourself more than just a man... a legend" makes me think that Henri Ducard was just a rich guy whose wife was murdered, and started a ninja vigilante cult to get revenge on crime. So when Ra's/Ducard died, so did the League. That's just my interpretation, though.

[aandfrugby25]

^I sort of got the feeling from Batman Begins that Ra's was lying about the League of Shadows being an ancient organization that destroyed Rome and Constantinople. All that talk about "making yourself more than just a man... a legend" makes me think that Henri Ducard was just a rich guy whose wife was murdered, and started a ninja vigilante cult to get revenge on crime. So when Ra's/Ducard died, so did the League. That's just my interpretation, though.

Never thought about it before but that sounds good.

[Van Petrol]

Look, I find it strange and somewhat pointless for Nolan to revisit the League of Shadows as much as the next guy. In fact, if we have to have any Al Ghuls return then part of me wishes at this stage that instead of the third act of Begins we had Batman fighting the Scarecrow as a central threat, and Ra's (as Ducard) would make his return post-TDK with Talia, as I think that would have made better sense in the narrative, but Nolan only focuses on one movie at a time alas.

The mission of this movie based on Nolan's quotes is supposedly to resolve the plots of the last two movies, or "finish their story". That's TDK and Begins. Wally Pfister reinforced this in his interview where he mentioned how he had read the script and it made the viewing experience of Begins and TDK much more enjoyable as a contained trilogy. Take that as you will, but I know I'm taking from it that this film will be thoroughly connected to the last two pictures, and not doing what TDK did where it feels less like a sequel and more like another tale in a similar batman mythology. If it only followed up on TDK, then the problem is that it singles out Begins, and I know a lot of people here don't have a problem with that but maybe Nolan does considering TDK didn't follow up Begins enough in the first place for the story to feel full circle. You know, I think there's more creative ways to revisit things in Begins that were left up in the air in TDK than revisiting the League of Shadows (Bruce's parents, Falcone anyone?), but I digress.

And Talia Al Ghul does seem out of the left field without her father, but I get the feeling her and the league have been lingering in either Nolan or the producers minds for a while. As someone brouht up earlier, she was mentioned in the novelization very briefly. But another thing to point out is the viral based Gotham Tonight for TDK also mentioned how the attackers (the League of Shadows) mysteriously disappeared after the fear toxin was released in Gotham City, so technically, their wherabouts is a loose end in the 'story' depending on the canonicity of that. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, the virals also mentioned Edward Nashton who's confirmed to not be appearing, but that was obviously inserted by the company designing the viral sites whilst I get the sense that the Gotham Tonight segments at least were shot with direction by Nolan in mind.

It's definitely a strange choice and a stretch for her to be in the movie, but seeing as her name was mentioned along with Selina Kyle by our most reliable source thus far (Deadline) and they're getting someone of Marion Cottillard's calibre to play a role, then I think it's a strong possibility.

That's just my two cents.
We shall see, soon I hope...

However...

Bringing in the LOS and or Talia, would be way of tying up some "loose ends" so to speak from BB basically.

I would ZERO problem with seeing Talia wind up in this film...especially if it fits the story the Nolans want to tell and the whole narrative in general.

Batman and Catwoman vs Bane and Talia would be EPIC to see onscreen IMO! :woot:
...I'd recommend the two of you take one of these:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee8/saveus_y2j/tinhelmet.jpg?t=1297991788


Just in case... :oldrazz:

[Hurm...]

Wow. So Nolan has proven his abilities and creativity, but if he picks a character you don't like the movie is doomed to suck?

As for me, I also believe that Nolan has proven his abilities and creativity, and that means that there is NOTHING that will convince me that this movie will suck. Every single movie this guy has made has been good. If this movie sucks, it will be a pretty big suprise to me.

Now, I do agree with your objections to Talia, Sofia and/or Alberto appearing in this movie. Nothing in BB even hinted that Falcone or Ra's had children, so for them to suddenly show up would be pretty cheesy. But if Nolan does choose to have Talia in the movie, it would make me doubt my own objections, not doubt Nolan.Ah yes, small slip-up on my part. What I intended on saying was that I don't think the story, especially since it is the finale, would be used to it's full potential if we back-track it to the LOS, Al Ghul, Falcone arc from Batman Begins.

[MoonChild]

For me, Nolan hasn't failed yet, so who ever is in the film or not, I am not worried about it.

Off topic, I hope that the Batman film series is continued, with a more fantastic element to it so Ra's can return.

[jmc]

I keep seeing the term 'loose ends' being used and I can't help but scratch my head. With the exception of the end of both films there's nothing about films one and two that's left unresolved. Nothing demands continuation or further exploration. Yes you could continue some elements, but you've got to ask what's the value of it.

[aandfrugby25]

I keep seeing the term 'loose ends' being used and I can't help but scratch my head. With the exception of the end of both films there's nothing about films one and two that's left unresolved. Nothing demands continuation or further exploration. Yes you could continue some elements, but you've got to ask what's the value of it.


My sentiments exactly.

[MoonChild]

Yeah I agree JMC.

The question is what themes is Nolan exploring in the film, and what elements are necessary in the narrative to do this.

Real life has heaps of "loose ends", so in one respect if Nolan wanted to be more realistic we would have them.

[RachelDawes]

I keep seeing the term 'loose ends' being used and I can't help but scratch my head. With the exception of the end of both films there's nothing about films one and two that's left unresolved.

The fact that a major terrorist organization just up and left Gotham without seeking revenge on the man who killed its leader could be considered a loose end.

Nothing demands continuation or further exploration. Yes you could continue some elements, but you've got to ask what's the value of it.

Talia's value could be that she's the major threat over whom Batman triumphs and ultimately rises.

[TheBatman072]

The fact that a major terrorist organization just up and left Gotham without seeking revenge on the man who killed its leader could be considered a loose end.

Yeah, the League isn't known to do anything without the say so from an Al Ghul.

Talia's value could be that she's the major threat over whom Batman triumphs and ultimately rises.

Just like Ra's?

[iamcitizen]

Yeah, the League isn't known to do anything without the say so from an Al Ghul.


Or Bane.

[TheBatman072]

Or Bane.

Doubtful.

Bane isn't interested in owning an army. Bane IS an army.

Nor is he interested in DESTROYING Gotham. Just the Bat.

I really don't want to get into why including Talia in this movie is an incredibly bad idea, but if you're interested, go read my posts in the beginnings of the new Tom Hardy is Bane thread.

[iamcitizen]

Doubtful.

Bane isn't interested in owning an army. Bane IS an army.

Nor is he interested in DESTROYING Gotham. Just the Bat.


Well in the comics Bane has led the League, by himself without Ra's or Talia, and his plan was to destroy Gotham with a nuclear bomb. So...

[TheBatman072]

Well in the comics Bane has led the League, by himself without Ra's or Talia, and his plan was to destroy Gotham with a nuclear bomb. So...

That's a poor characterization, considering what Bane started out as.

[Yurka]

With Talia and Bane the "Legacy" arc could be pretty interesting on screen, but with Marion added now, it seems like there is more talent in this movie than there was in the last one. Im sure it will be fantastic but its starting to sound cramped.

[iamcitizen]

That's a poor characterization, considering what Bane started out as.

Well, it was one of the better Bane stories, in my opinion. Besides, who says Nolan has to stick to Bane's original conception? He did say he was doing a new take on the character. Granted, that could have just meant "Better than B&R's version."

[TheBatman072]

Well, it was one of the better Bane stories, in my opinion. Besides, who says Nolan has to stick to Bane's original conception? He did say he was doing a new take on the character. Granted, that could have just meant "Better than B&R's version."

So a new take on the character means going away from what he's best known for just to stick him with a rehashed plot from Begins?

[jmc]

The fact that a major terrorist organization just up and left Gotham without seeking revenge on the man who killed its leader could be considered a loose end.



Talia's value could be that she's the major threat over whom Batman triumphs and ultimately rises.

You just proved my point.

[Caped Crusader]

Cottilard is powerful on screen just like Bale

[RachelDawes]

Just like Ra's?

Talia in conjunction with Bane, maybe Catwoman, maybe someone else would constitute a massive threat. We don't know enough about what Nolan has in mind for the plot to say whether she'd fit in or not.

[TheBatman072]

Talia in conjunction with Bane, maybe Catwoman, maybe someone else would constitute a massive threat. We don't know enough about what Nolan has in mind for the plot to say whether she'd fit in or not.

so...Talia but with Bane and/or Catwoman, and no League?

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[iamcitizen]

So a new take on the character means going away from what he's best known for just to stick him with a rehashed plot from Begins?

Well, yeah, by definition doing a new take on a character means getting away from what they are best known for.

As for the other part of your comment, I think we both know that using the League of Shadows isn't the same thing as "rehashing the plot of BB."

[Paste Pot Pete]

There's just so much to explore in the Batman universe without rehashing enemies. I think that's the major resistance to Talia/the return of the League.

I think Bane and Catwoman are more than enough to carry the film, but if Nolan insists on another threat, I'd much prefer it to be someone new.

[Yurka]

If the Talia/Bane relationship is involved in this movie, it would be an interesting way to bring the story kinda full circle with the league and all.

[TheBatman072]

Well, yeah, by definition doing a new take on a character means getting away from what they are best known for.

As for the other part of your comment, I think we both know that using the League of Shadows isn't the same thing as "rehashing the plot of BB."

The league coming back to the city being led by Talia or Bane or both of them just to destroy it is a rehash from the plot(or one of the plots) of Begins.

[iamcitizen]

The league coming back to the city being led by Talia or Bane or both of them just to destroy it is a rehash from the plot(or one of the plots) of Begins.

Who says that has to be the plot? You aren't using your imagination. You could easily do a story with the League that doesn't resemble the plot of BB.

[TheBatman072]

Who says that has to be the plot? You aren't using your imagination. You could easily do a story with the League that doesn't resemble the plot of BB.

Give me an example of one.