You're a Jive Soul Bro, a Jive Soul Bro, Always Lying To Your Wrestling Thread

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Stupid Miz...should've told Cena to put his Wrestlemania title shot on the line. Then Rock could've cost Cena the match!

I was thinking the same thing.

[TheIncredibleSk]

This is kinda random but ok I guess.

[NDX]

What was that, 3 minutes long?

[Hunter Rider]

I would have thought they would try and make the Divas title a little more important since Kong is due.

[The Sage]

Wow man it's like there are two different Cenas. :funny:

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

What was that, 3 minutes long?

Did somebody just say "3 minutes?"

[NDX]

Wow man it's like there are two different Cenas. :funny:
Night and day, man. Night and day.

The Rock has come back to Buffalo, via satellite.

[NDX]

Did somebody just say "3 minutes?"

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[Wylie Times]

Damn he still has those belts on display

[The Sage]

I don't know, the Rock isn't catching fire to me yet in his promo.

[Hotwire]

Dayyyum!! Testify, Rock!

[Wylie Times]

............is this a shoot?

[The Sage]

And finally, the Rock strikes a chord. :D

[Kaleb]

Dear God this is terrible,WM is going to be so underwhelming this year I mean the only fued that seems somewhat genuine is freaking Cole vs King.

[The Sage]

Now why is Miz vs Cena happening again? These exchanges between Cena and the Rock are gold.

[Hotwire]

Yabba-Dabba B****!!

Good one!

[TheIncredibleSk]

My god that was a promo. No words.

[NDX]

I honestly stopped listening. Did he say anything?

[Project862006]

the rock killed cena again lol

[Hotwire]

I honestly stopped listening. Did he say anything?
It was gold. Almost made it look like a shoot.

[Hunter Rider]

It was a bit long but it was a solid promo once he got going on Cena, the problem still remains it is hyping a match that wont happen.

[TheIncredibleSk]

That was a perfect worked shoot. Some of that was real. Or im totally marking out lol

[NDX]

It was gold. Almost made it look like a shoot.
I just don't care right now. He's cutting promos like he's gonna wrestle when Cena already has a match booked.

[The Sage]

I honestly stopped listening. Did he say anything?

After the first few minutes he finally addressed Cena's comments. And it was good.

the rock killed cena again lol

And next week Cena will kill Rock again. I hope they have a face to face soon!

It was a bit long but it was a solid promo once he got going on Cena, the problem still remains it is hyping a match that wont happen.

And it's sad that Miz is a casualty in all this. So outclassed.

[Wylie Times]

It felt like a lot of that was a shoot. That felt like genuine emotion when it was talking about his family and his connection to WWE. It was less about taking Cena to task and was more about setting the record straight about stuff people have been saying about him for the past few years.

[mjdiddy1]

Was this a shoot? I mean that hurt me and I'm not even John Cena fan....Yabba Dabba B****!!! That's personal dude.

[Metallo]

I see the Miz is trying to get heat by playing off the fact that he's the odd man out at Mania despite being the champ by puttign down Rock and Cena. Its smart but its not gonan work as well as it needs to.

The that was an OK Rock promo but honestly his "from the heart" serious promos don't do as much for me as his full on "entertaning" promos. I think maybe even Cena has him beat there. Rocks sound a little more like "acting" than natural.

They are pushing Rock vs Cena to even bigger expectations.

[DieSmiling]

It was a bit long but it was a solid promo once he got going on Cena, the problem still remains it is hyping a match that wont happen.

Exactly. The promo was great -- very different from the one two weeks ago. Rock had an awesome, old school Rock promo, then Cena had a great old school response, then Rock had a "from the heart" intense as hell promo, but the problem is the same.

The one thing EVERYBODY is now dying to see now is Rock vs. Cena, which we aren't getting, and it totally kills any credibility Miz or the title had (which wasn't much in the first place.

[Wylie Times]

Was this a shoot? I mean that hurt me and I'm not even John Cena fan....Yabba Dabba B****!!! That's personal dude.

To me that wasn't him shooting. It's was when he started addressing his critics that he seemed to get much more emotional that we typically see him get.

[TheIncredibleSk]

HBK just did more for Taker vs HHH Than both of them combined.

[epc11223]

i dont know. i think they're doing with the rock what they did when they had tyson come on. it's going to be a "shock" when rock helps cena win the belt. both have their hands up in victory. that's my prediction.

[NDX]

I think Bryan's kick pads say something. If they do, did anyone read them?
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[Metallo]

I see they used HBK just the way I said I wanted them to. I think its the best way.

Miz's attack on Bryan is such a cheap way to get him heat. Just makes him look more desperate to prove himself instead of making him matter.

[The Sage]

Some of the oddest booking for Mania this year. They're selling the show more on Rock/Cena than Cena/Miz even though the latter is the match that'll happen.

[TheIncredibleSk]

This Cena vs The Rock is like the best strip tease ever. OMG I wanna see them fight so bad. This has to be leading to something. They cant just be hyping these two like this. It has to lead somewhere....right?

[Hunter Rider]

Rock said Cena will see him sooner than he thinks, maybe he shows up here?

Exactly. The promo was great -- very different from the one two weeks ago. Rock had an awesome, old school Rock promo, then Cena had a great old school response, then Rock had a "from the heart" intense as hell promo, but the problem is the same.

The one thing EVERYBODY is now dying to see now is Rock vs. Cena, which we aren't getting, and it totally kills any credibility Miz or the title had (which wasn't much in the first place.

HBK just did more for Taker vs HHH Than both of them combined.

Yep, they are getting people hyped under false pretences, and the whole attitude from Cena and Rock is that Miz is totally irrelevant.

Yeah it was a great little vid package for the match, HBK always makes things feel authentic.

Shame Bryan had to follow on from Rock and HBK back to back, Miz got ZERO heat for beating him up and the one chance we had of getting an actual decent match went down the bog.

[Hunter Rider]

Would some tell Miz to shut the **** up, no one believes him and it's tiring.

I see Cole has changed his mind again. :awesome:

[Marx]

Would some tell Miz to shut the **** up, no one believes him and it's tiring.

I see Cole has changed his mind again. :awesome:

He's consistently inconsistent.

[Hunter Rider]

So there goes Miz stip. :huh:

He's consistently inconsistent.

Well put. :funny:

[Marx]

Did Cole just say VINTAGE Alex Riley!?!

[bullets]

It felt like a lot of that was a shoot. That felt like genuine emotion when it was talking about his family and his connection to WWE. It was less about taking Cena to task and was more about setting the record straight about stuff people have been saying about him for the past few years.


It does sound like Rock was setting the record straight. The best promos are the one's that have some truth to them.


Miz is basically a non factor heading into Mania. They are basically selling the event on a confrontation...

Also like how Triple H buried the entire roster tonight ..

[Metallo]

Wylie, I also felt like Rock explaining why he left felt like the more "shootish" part of his promo.

The whole thing was good but other people do that kind of serious promo much better than him.

[Metallo]

Did Cole just say VINTAGE Alex Riley!?!

Riley hasn't even been around long enough to be vintage! :funny:

[Hunter Rider]

I can't believe how long they stretched this crap out.

[Project862006]

why is miz telling cole to shut up i am confused now lol

[NDX]

Why is this match still going on?

[Dr. Evil]

:awesome: at Stone Cold returning next week.

[Marx]

If the stipulation of this cage match was 'If Riley loses, he's no longer teamed with Miz'...why is Miz smiling and acting like nothing happened after Cena won the match???

[TheIncredibleSk]

This was weird raw to say the least.

[Metallo]

No matter how many times you scream it Cole it doesn't make it true

Miz needs a new finisher.

[Hunter Rider]

Cena is much bigger than Miz and was standing in a position of leverage, it doesn't take much for him to win the door pushing contest.

Putrid edition of Raw, Bar the brief appearances of Rock and HBK it was garbage IMO, I am so bored of Miz.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So if what Triple H did to Sheamus to open the show is a burial, then quite frankly, I don't care. That was awesome :)

Poor Sheamus. First Triple H then Evan Bourne.

[Dr. Evil]

:wow: at the Rock saying the B-word! That'll scar the kids for life. Why won't Dwayne think of the children!

[Mr.Webs]

No matter how many times you cream it Cole it doesn't make it true

Miz needs a new finisher. Nothing I hate worse than watching Cole cream.:o

[Metallo]

Yeah the only parts of a LIVE Raw that I wanted to see where the taped parts with Rock and Michaels. Shows what the problem is right there.

The burial of Sheamus was a lame way to start off.


Nothing I hate worse than watching Cole cream.:o


I meant scream it...but Cole probably was creaming it for the Miz.

[Project862006]

raw was good besides the cena/miz stuff and thats a bad thing

thats your mainevent for mania LOL

cole/swagger/lawler was good
punk/orton stuff was good
rock promo was good
hhh promo was good
hbk talking about hhh/taker was good
evan bourne returning is good

cena/miz dragged this show down big time

[Dr. Evil]

The Rock with his non-PG Promos sets a bad example for the kids. First he said Anus on WWE TV and then he said the B-Word.

[NDX]

That'll scar the kids for life.
Hasn't this joke run its course already? It's been more than a year since WWEPG was established.

Man, RAW was lackluster. Nothing on the show after Sheamus getting buried interest me. And I didn't even hear Haitch's promo because I had more important things to do.

[Project862006]

you are not interested in punk/orton?

[NDX]

you are not interested in punk/orton?
Since I hate Snoreton, and have so for a good... 4 years now, no. Not at all. A waste of Punk if you ask me.

[Dr. Evil]

I did not watch Raw except the Rock promo.

Was there a new member of the WWE Hall of Fame announced?

[Metallo]

Hasn't this joke run its course already? It's been more than a year since WWEPG was established.

Man, RAW was lackluster. Nothing on the show after Sheamus getting buried interest me. And I didn't even hear Haitch's promo because I had more important things to do.

It was the usual Triple H shtick. He didn't really say anything new. I didn't think this Raw was that great either...especially since its a month before Wrestlemania.

Cole played his douche role well though.

[NDX]

Cole was surprisingly entertaining. But overall the show is forgettable. Even Bourne's return, while nice, meant nothing to me because it followed HHH. I was hoping for those teasers and implying he'd make his big return at WM.

[Heretic]

I'm going to be honest...I watched The Bachelor, waiting to see two seconds of Jericho...and I don't regret it.

The Rock was great though...this "Fruity Pebbles" thing might catch on...

[Hunter Rider]

Cole/Lawler is the best feud they have leading into Mania.

Since I hate Snoreton, and have so for a good... 4 years now, no. Not at all. A waste of Punk if you ask me.

I agree, face Orton makes me head for the bog.

[NDX]

I agree, face Orton makes me head for the bog.
Face, heel, I just don't give a ****.

[Scar Predator]

No matter how many times you scream it Cole it doesn't make it true

Miz needs a new finisher.

His is 1,000X better than the FU.

Speaking of Cena, someone better better borrow HHH's shovel so they can dig Cena out after what Rock did to him. Wow, it took Rock about 2 minutes to completely encapsulate how ridiculous Cena's B-boy gimmick is.

[Project862006]

why orton had a great promo tonight

he is a breath is fresh air in the WWE an actual bad ass baby face

not a happy make jokes clap hands baby face edge and cena are both like that

an actual bad ass good guy

and it shows because he gets huge pops from the wwe crowds

[Dr. Evil]

Do they even sell Fruity Pebbles anymore?

[Hunter Rider]

why orton had a great promo tonight

he is a breath is fresh air in the WWE an actual bad ass baby face

not a happy make jokes clap hands baby face edge and cena are both like that

an actual bad ass good guy

and it shows because he gets huge pops from the wwe crowds

I don't think he comes over as badass, he comes over like a convict with breathing issues and a tattoo fetish, he was much better when he was a cocky prick IMO.

[bullets]

Cole was surprisingly entertaining. But overall the show is forgettable. Even Bourne's return, while nice, meant nothing to me because it followed HHH. I was hoping for those teasers and implying he'd make his big return at WM.


I thought there would be this big build up. It's nice to see him back but he kind of gets lost in the shuffle.


http://c0013664.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_4d06d31

thanks miz

[Heretic]

do they even sell fruity pebbles anymore?

blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NDX]

why orton had a great promo tonight

he is a breath is fresh air in the WWE an actual bad ass baby face

not a happy make jokes clap hands baby face edge and cena are both like that

an actual bad ass good guy

and it shows because he gets huge pops from the wwe crowds
Orton could pop out a bar of gold, sign it and hand it to me and I'd still hate him. I've always thought his character was ****, his wrestling was ****, and him as a human being was ****.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm ashamed. I'm starting to like Michael Cole.

[NDX]

http://c0013664.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_4d06d31

thanks miz
And yet, that's not the weirdest face Cena's ever made.

[Metallo]

Cole/Lawler is the best feud they have leading into Mania.

Thats cause it has some long built heat. This thing between Cole and Lawler has been brewing for months. Unlike HHH vs Taker which has been brewing for a week or Cena vs Miz. Or Edge vs Del Rio.

Sad that a senior citizen and a non wrestler are doing a build up the right way compared to everyone else. People want to see Cole get smacked around.


His is 1,000X better than the FU.

I don't know about that. The FU is simple but it looks effective. The SKF looks like an old man tripping and accidentally taking someone else down with him.

[Project862006]

i like orton/punk alot personally

an actual blood feud i love it

[Metamorpho1977]

Season 12 cast for Dancing with the Stars. I don't usually follow it, but the Ayatollah of Rock n Rollah is part of the Cast. Christ Jericho.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2011/02/28/dancing-with-the-stars-season-12-cast/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-w%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C203961

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cole was surprisingly entertaining. But overall the show is forgettable. Even Bourne's return, while nice, meant nothing to me because it followed HHH. I was hoping for those teasers and implying he'd make his big return at WM.

Evan Bourne is no where near the caliber of star to warrant a video package hyping his return.

[LuisTX85]

Triple H's segment(except the Sheamus stuff)/The Orton&Punk&MM stuff(some of it)/HBK speaking out/The Rock promo and some of Cena vs A-Ri(cause of Miz)were only thing I enjoyed and the rest was.....a major disappointment!!

[Dr. Evil]

Season 12 cast for Dancing with the Stars. I don't usually follow it, but the Ayatollah of Rock n Rollah is part of the Cast. Christ Jericho.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2011/02/28/dancing-with-the-stars-season-12-cast/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-w%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C203961

Speaking of fake ones, Wendy Williams is going to be on that show.

[Wylie Times]

Evan Bourne is no where near the caliber of star to warrant a video package hyping his return.

I agree

Bourne gets a big underdog win every now and then but for the most part he's just a jobber to the stars.

[bullets]

Evan Bourne is no where near the caliber of star to warrant a video package hyping his return.


There's no reason they can't treat him like one though. Also he is expected to get a big push this year.

I agree

Bourne gets a big underdog win every now and then but for the most part he's just a jobber to the stars.

There's a big chance his luck is going to change though.

[LuisTX85]

There's no reason they can't treat him like one though. Also he is expected to get a big push this year.



There's a big chance his luck is going to change though.

.....Yup!

[Wylie Times]

There's no reason they can't treat him like one though. Also he is expected to get a big push this year.

He was expected to get a big push before then he caught and RKO and went back to being a jobber.


There's a big chance his luck is going to change though.

No there isn't.

There's chance his luck will change but not a big one. Bourne is a small guy and he doesn't have the same connection with fans that Rey has...Until I see Bourne put together a win streak I'm not buying anything about him being in line to get a huge push. Cena wa supposedly lobbying for him to get a major push yet he ended up jobbing to make big men look stronger.

[bullets]

No there isn't.

There's chance his luck will change but not a big one. Bourne is a small guy and he doesn't have the same connection with fans that Rey has...Until I see Bourne put together a win streak I'm not buying anything about him being in line to get a huge push. Cena was supposedly lobbying for him to get a major push yet he ended up jobbing to make big men look stronger.


He seems popular to me. I'll be disappointed if he goes back to jobber status again. I'm just saying from the reports I've read supposedly Vince likes Bourne and will give him a push. Also the videos to hype his return were another part of the reports, so it was a little surprising not to see them for some. Things also can change for someone rapidly so who knows.

[Slushy]

The Rock's Promo From Tonight

And I gotta say...Wow...just WOW. Its one thing to insult a man, but its another to tell a story straight from the heart to make the other person look bad. I think this promo actually hurt Cena more than the one from last week. Now, I feel bad about a few dissing comments I made about Rock over the years after hearing what he said tonight.

Seriously, I haven't seen him this intense since feuding with Austin. It'll be a damn shame if Rock Vs. Cena doesn't happen because the buildup is so tremendous, it'll be the greatest missed opporunity if Rock declines to get back in the ring for one more match.

Rock Vs. Cena / WWE History:

Supposedly the story goes that back in 2004, The Rock wanted to renew his contract, but work a part-time schedule where he would still work for WWE, but do movies at the same time (basically what Cena does), but Vince and/or Stephanie didn't want to pay him more money for less work and thought he wouldn't make it in Hollywood so they let it expire without even letting him know! I'm guessing they thought when his movies flopped, he would come back and have less pull during contractual negotiations.

Now in Rock's case, he distanced himself from WWE because

A.) He wanted to be taken seriously as an actor and had to drop the Rock name in order to establish credibility.

and/or

B.) He was pissed the company f***ed him over like that and harbored bad feelings over the years about it by refusing make live in-ring appearances, not using The Rock name, and declining to contribute to his own DVD set.

It's still hard for me to tell. I just think its funny Vince set up WWE Studios so he could have control over his wrestlers so he could prevent repeating the fiasco with The Rock. I can understand where Cena is coming from though. He worked hard over the years to get where he is, but failed to keep the fanbase he garnished so it probably eats at him and even went the extra step to work televised shows during his film making schedule to help prove to people that he wouldn't leave the WWE for Hollywood like The Rock did yet he still can't get fans to accept him again like they did in the past. That's got to be frustrating for him.

But I do remember reading a year or two ago that Vince wanted to give The Rock a proper sendoff match, but The Rock's movie commitments prevented that from happening. I'd like to think though that the whole Cena Vs. Rock feud is an elaborate work to get people talking. I mean look at how many threads and discussions there are about this and this is just on one of many websites. Its a brilliant move on WWE's part if this was planned a long time ago. I think if Cena's remarks were legit and unplanned though , The Rock would've been pissed off and would've only been another reason for him to not come back or definitely helped delay his return. Kudos to The Rock though, if I was him, there's no way I'd work with a guy who was talking ***** about me.

If the Cena Vs. Rock doesn't happen at Wrestlemania, I can definitely see it happening...at SummerSlam! :D

[Kaleb]

Orton is like The Big Show,he just seems to suck the life out of every fued he has been,and a lot of the times his so called tough guy mannerism come off as been slightly homoerotic ( eg staring longingly at punk while his hand pressed against the glass in the chamber, or apologizing to vicky for what he is going to do to dolph later in the show)

[Hunter Rider]

@ Blacheart, Summerslam is in LA so maybe......maybe!

@ Kaleb, I have to agree man, since WM25 I've found it hard to care about anything Orton is involved in.

[Hunter Rider]

WrestleZone has learned from a key insider this evening that World Wrestling Entertainment still has "extensive, major plans" for Awesome Kong, but the reason she has yet to debut with the company is because "Wrestlemania season is not the time to debut a new character."

The comparison was made to Brock Lesnar's debut with Paul Heyman in 2002, which occurred the day after Wrestlemania. "Vince (McMahon) has high hopes for Kong," our key insider told us, "he doesn't want her to get lost in the push to Mania, and wants a clear, direct, focused, powerful spotlight on her when she finally debuts."

I guess that makes sense, although how Vince hopes for her to do well when the division they are putting he in is so underbooked, I don't know. Also, where is Beth?

[Wylie Times]

He seems popular to me. I'll be disappointed if he goes back to jobber status again. I'm just saying from the reports I've read supposedly Vince likes Bourne and will give him a push. Also the videos to hype his return were another part of the reports, so it was a little surprising not to see them for some. Things also can change for someone rapidly so who knows.

Being popular and being seen as a major star by Vince (and others) are two different things. Christian is very popular and yet can't seem to catch a break despite fans clamoring for him to be champ. Vince likes a lot of things and then days later sours on them because he just loses interest or someone else gets in his ear.

Hell Vince liked Ted Dibiase at one point.

[Wylie Times]

Orton is like The Big Show,he just seems to suck the life out of every fued he has been,and a lot of the times his so called tough guy mannerism come off as been slightly homoerotic ( eg staring longingly at punk while his hand pressed against the glass in the chamber, or apologizing to vicky for what he is going to do to dolph later in the show)

He's not trying to come across as a tough guy though. Orton's character is supposed to be a sociopath.

[Kaleb]

http://i.imgur.com/PlVzJ.gif

[bullets]

Being popular and being seen as a major star by Vince (and others) are two different things. Christian is very popular and yet can't seem to catch a break despite fans clamoring for him to be champ. Vince likes a lot of things and then days later sours on them because he just loses interest or someone else gets in his ear.

Hell Vince liked Ted Dibiase at one point.



Although Bourne isn't near Rey's popularity I think he has the 'it' factor. I'm not sure what Vince will do because things do change frequently. If the report is outdated or wrong we'll know soon enough. I am frustrated with the Christian situation but hopefully they do more with him this year .

[Kaleb]

Someone bought this up in another thread and I thought it was interesting and different perspective to the Orton/punk fued
Is Punk trying to recruit Orton
That was the impression a few of my friends and I got after tonight's show. It's been building since the start of their feud. Punk is telling Orton what not to do, knowing he'll do it because of his in-character psychosis/voices. He's feeding Orton the Nexus goons to make him overcome with rage until Punk eventually tries to "save" him - the whole theme of faith and sacrifice. The way Punk talks to Orton each week is like a psychiatrist talking to a lunatic, he's using his full name and giving a "I can help you, you don't want to do this." speech. Punk isn't exactly making a huge effort to give Orton any retribution either.

Having Punk save Orton from his anger problems would actually be a fairly entertaining path for both characters to take. Lord knows the "Viper" gimmick can't last forever.

[spidey-dude]

i would love a punk orton nexus tag team

[Pink Ranger]

The Cena/Rock feud seems to be escalating like how most disputes happen on the Hype.

[LOBO3315a]

Someone bought this up in another thread and I thought it was interesting and different perspective to the Orton/punk fued Quote:
Is Punk trying to recruit Orton
That was the impression a few of my friends and I got after tonight's show. It's been building since the start of their feud. Punk is telling Orton what not to do, knowing he'll do it because of his in-character psychosis/voices. He's feeding Orton the Nexus goons to make him overcome with rage until Punk eventually tries to "save" him - the whole theme of faith and sacrifice. The way Punk talks to Orton each week is like a psychiatrist talking to a lunatic, he's using his full name and giving a "I can help you, you don't want to do this." speech. Punk isn't exactly making a huge effort to give Orton any retribution either.

Having Punk save Orton from his anger problems would actually be a fairly entertaining path for both characters to take. Lord knows the "Viper" gimmick can't last forever.

That's kind of the feel I was getting too. In my head I saw Orton with a Nexus armband on, and it didn't look out of place.

[Metallo]

The Rock's Promo From Tonight

And I gotta say...Wow...just WOW. Its one thing to insult a man, but its another to tell a story straight from the heart to make the other person look bad. I think this promo actually hurt Cena more than the one from last week. Now, I feel bad about a few dissing comments I made about Rock over the years after hearing what he said tonight.

Seriously, I haven't seen him this intense since feuding with Austin. It'll be a damn shame if Rock Vs. Cena doesn't happen because the buildup is so tremendous, it'll be the greatest missed opporunity if Rock declines to get back in the ring for one more match.

Rock Vs. Cena / WWE History:

Supposedly the story goes that back in 2004, The Rock wanted to renew his contract, but work a part-time schedule where he would still work for WWE, but do movies at the same time (basically what Cena does), but Vince and/or Stephanie didn't want to pay him more money for less work and thought he wouldn't make it in Hollywood so they let it expire without even letting him know! I'm guessing they thought when his movies flopped, he would come back and have less pull during contractual negotiations.

Now in Rock's case, he distanced himself from WWE because



It's still hard for me to tell. I just think its funny Vince set up WWE Studios so he could have control over his wrestlers so he could prevent repeating the fiasco with The Rock. I can understand where Cena is coming from though. He worked hard over the years to get where he is, but failed to keep the fanbase he garnished so it probably eats at him and even went the extra step to work televised shows during his film making schedule to help prove to people that he wouldn't leave the WWE for Hollywood like The Rock did yet he still can't get fans to accept him again like they did in the past. That's got to be frustrating for him.

But I do remember reading a year or two ago that Vince wanted to give The Rock a proper sendoff match, but The Rock's movie commitments prevented that from happening. I'd like to think though that the whole Cena Vs. Rock feud is an elaborate work to get people talking. I mean look at how many threads and discussions there are about this and this is just on one of many websites. Its a brilliant move on WWE's part if this was planned a long time ago. I think if Cena's remarks were legit and unplanned though , The Rock would've been pissed off and would've only been another reason for him to not come back or definitely helped delay his return. Kudos to The Rock though, if I was him, there's no way I'd work with a guy who was talking ***** about me.

If the Cena Vs. Rock doesn't happen at Wrestlemania, I can definitely see it happening...at SummerSlam! :D

Yeah I think there was some working with some genuine feelings in the promos between Cena and Rock. Sometimes those work best because they feel more genuine.

As for WWE studios its definitely a measure of control. he produces movies to fulfill any creative need of his stars but he makes sure he controls them and makes money off them. That way they are branded even more as WWE owned.

Rock vs Cena feels like it belongs at Wrestlemania more than anywhere else but I'd take it at Summerslam. Sumerslam has been a place where we got some big time matches in the past and with it being in California and WWE trying to make the PPV more important a Rock/Cena match happening there would makes sense.

I think of Cenas feelings on The Rock were genuine...but I also think Vince told him to say some things. Certainly later after the initial comments. And I think Rock always wanted to come back and do something with WWE in some capacity and Vince probably had this penciled in as an idea for at least a couple of years. Wrestling is a funny business. Personal feelings can be put aside if it makes for good business and a popular angle.



Orton is like The Big Show,he just seems to suck the life out of every fued he has been,and a lot of the times his so called tough guy mannerism come off as been slightly homoerotic ( eg staring longingly at punk while his hand pressed against the glass in the chamber, or apologizing to vicky for what he is going to do to dolph later in the show)

I'd add Kane to that list. In the last 5 years its like every time he does a big angle with anyone I groan. Rey, Edge, Big Show, etc. Not sure why that is. Maybe cause Kane is more of a guy to follow orders instead of coming up with ideas of his own. And the current creative team's ideas for him are usually terrible.

I like Orton and see what they are trying to do but it doesn't really work in the PG era. He can be a more likable character while at the same time retaining some of his edge. WWE is trying to keep too much of that edge though. Some of his mannerisms make me laugh. When he shaves his head down completely he looks like some kind of freak right out of the Oddities stable.

Orton needs to show some kind of redeeming qualities. Something respectable that the people can get behind. Even Austin did that by showing heart and independence. Orton's just totally despicable sometimes for a face.



I guess that makes sense, although how Vince hopes for her to do well when the division they are putting he in is so underbooked, I don't know. Also, where is Beth?

I can understand waiting after Mania. Goldberg and Lesnar both debuted after Mania and a lot more focus was on them.

But the bad part about waiting so long to debut her is that some of the hype she had coming in is dying down.
Maybe Vince wants that because he knew she was still relatively fresh off that other organization where she became a big deal to hardcore fans but I think thats a mistake.

I remember Gail Kims return took a while after she was signed. I know Kong will be better used than her but with Gail some of the excitement for her return died on the vine because it took so long after the news broke.

I had the same big concern about the Divas division they are putting her in. For a while I thought they were rebuilding the division and setting up certain women to look better for Kong. But the division is as meaningless as ever.

How is Kong going to reach her maximum potential of she comes in a destroys a bunch of women that nobody cares about? Beth and Natalya haven't been used in a way that wowed me recently. Eve isn't impressing me as much as I hoped as champion. Melinas still in the dog house I guess. Laycool looks to be breaking up.

[Metallo]

Segment with The Rock & Cena in the Works, Bret Comments on Rock, More

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Evan Bourne, The Rock, Triple H, Alex Riley and others were all trending worldwide on Twitter during last night's RAW.

- Bret Hart wrote the following on Twitter last night about The Rock's promo: "Nice promo from the Rock... Although his trophy case could use some work to bring it up to Hitman standards!"

- WWE is planning a in-ring showdown between The Rock and John Cena for an upcoming RAW before WrestleMania, likely the March 14th or March 21st show. With Steve Austin appearing on next week's show, it isn't expected that The Rock will be there because of concern that it might be overkill, but that's not confirmed.

Partial source: F4Wonline.com



Update on Alex Riley & Michael McGillicutty's Status, Cena Comments, More

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- John Cena wrote the following on Twitter after last night's RAW: "CeNation. Sometimes I need not say a thing. " the People" say it for me. ;) thanks. Hustle. Loyalty. Respect."

- Today's wrestling birthdays include ROH star Davey Richards (28), former WCW star Scotty Riggs (40) and WWE announcer Booker T (46).

- While WWE indicated last night that Alex Riley had just been fired from his job at The Miz's personal assistant, they have removed him from the RAW roster page. It was noted last night how there was no closing shot of Riley after he lost the cage match against John Cena.

There is speculation that Riley and Michael McGillicutty will be re-packaged and brought back to RAW or SmackDown. Nexus member McGillicutty was written off RAW last night after a punt kick from Randy Orton.

Partial source: F4Wonline.com



Match Reportedly Nixed from WrestleMania, Jerry Lawler's Girlfriend, Nash

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Malik sent word that in the new issue of Fighting Spirit Magazine, Jerry Lawler said that he's currently dating 21 year old WWE developmental Diva Su Yung. Yung is using the name Sonia in FCW and got her start in the Memphis, Tennessee independent scene, for Lawler's Memphis Wrestling and other promotions.

- At one point, WWE had planned for a Nexus vs. The Corre match at WrestleMania 27 but that match has apparently been nixed from the card. It's believed that The Corre will now take Big Show on in some kind of match.

This is not confirmed but Kevin Nash is being speculated as a possible partner for Show. Nash was apparently told he would be doing another match with WWE soon and that may come in Atlanta.

Partial source: F4Wonline.com



Why Heyman/Lesnar Books Were Pushed Back, Bryan's RAW Opponent, More

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Wrestling legends Harley Race and Ric Flair will be participating in a fundraiser for the Dogwood State School PTO on March 12th in Eldon, Missouri. For more information, call (573) 392-4100.

- Brock Lesnar's book was pushed back to May 24th so they could maximize the amount of time he will have to promote the book with signings, working around his UFC schedule.

Paul Heyman's book was reportedly pushed back to September 13th to create a larger window between he and Lesnar's book. There is another wrestling-related biography that Heyman's name has been connected to but the deal isn't official yet.

- Before getting attacked by WWE Champion The Miz last night, United States Champion Daniel Bryan was scheduled to face William Regal, according to WWE on their website.

- WWE will air a two-hour edition of their "Top 50 Superstars of All-Time" DVD on pay-per-view beginning April 4th.

Partial source: PWInsider



Austin Comments on His RAW Return, Note on Cole's Special Referee, More

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- The Miz posted the "first ever tweet from commentary" on last night's RAW. He wrote: "First ever tweet from commentary daniel down cena to go...someones gonna be telling me I'm awesome next week."

While on commentary, he later wrote about how awesome he was and then posted the photo of John Cena's face being rubbed into the cage by Alex Riley.

- Steve Austin wrote the following on Twitter regarding his return to WWE RAW next week: "I'm taking a 6 pack of WHOOP ASS to Monday Night Raw in Dallas Texas...Oh Hell Yeah!!!"

- According to one source, WWE has decided on who the special referee for Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole at WrestleMania will be but they have not decided on the angle that will reveal him on RAW. There is supposed to be some kind of big payoff for the special referee that may be announced as soon as next Monday's RAW from Texas.

Partial source: F4Wonline.com



New Details Revealed on DivaMania, News on Tonight's SmackDown/NXT Taping

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Tonight's WWE SmackDown and NXT tapings will take place from the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. Tonight's NXT will be the season finale. Confirmed for SmackDown is the return of The Undertaker and the WrestleMania contract signing between Edge and Alberto Del Rio. Advertised locally is a handicap match with Edge, Rey Mysterio and Big Show vs. Alberto Del Rio, Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel.

- Former WWE Diva Ashley Massaro will be replacing the pregnant Jillian Hall on the upcoming DivaMania tour with Maria Kanellis and Taryn "Tiffany" Terrell as they make their first stop on the tour in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on March 19th. The former Divas will meet fans from 3-5pm at Starters Riverport and then party with fans from 11:30pm until 1:30am at the same place. Admission for the events is $10. Former Diva and current TNA Knockout Katie Lea Burchill (Winter) will also be appearing on the first stop.



Kevin Nash Comments on the WWE Hall of Fame and Leaving TNA for WWE

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- The Miami Herald recently spoke with Kevin Nash while he was in town for the Miami Comic Con. Here are a few highlights:

Leaving TNA for WWE:
"I had a good relationship with [TNA President] Dixie [Carter] and enjoyed my time there. I have a lot of friends in TNA. It was just time for me to move on. There are so many more opportunities in a larger organization like WWE, especially outside of the ring, that it was pretty much a no-brainer."

Him going into the WWE Hall of Fame one day:
"Not my call. I think everybody would [want to be inducted], especially anybody who’s put 20 years of their life into something, but I’m so happy for Shawn, and I’m looking forward to watching Shawn be inducted."



Road Warrior Animal Comments on His Brother, WWE's John Laurinaitis
By Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com)
Mar 1, 2011 - 9:36:35 AM

- Road Warrior Animal appeared on the WorldWrestlingInsanity.com (http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am2/publish/newsnotes/ClubWWI_LOD_Animal_2.shtml) show this week to promote the new Road Warrior's book. Animal spoke about his brother, WWE executive John Laurinaitis, and had the following to say:

"Everybody asks me that all the time. 'Animal, how come you're not in that office? Your brother is in the office. How can he not get you a job? You started him in the wrestling business.' I say it's probably the worst thing I could have done is have a brother in the wrestling business that has made it to be vice president (in WWE) because I'll never get a job with that fact… I get calls from guys everyday that tell me my brother is brutal in the office. Brutal. But what am I gonna say? He's my brother. I love him. He's my brother. What am I gonna say? 'Well, yeah. OK.' I'm not there. That's one thing about me. I don't talk about things I'm not present for in the wrestling business. When I talk to my brother today, I don't even talk about wrestling. I've given up on trying to get a job behind the scenes in WWE. It ain't gonna happen. I don't want it to happen anymore. Do I want to give back to the wrestling business? Absolutely, man. I'm a coach. That's what I do by nature. I'm a coach. Do I think I could be down in (WWE developmental company) FCW and be one of the best trainers they ever had down there? Absolutely. When I was down there, I was one of the best coaches they had. But you can only beat a dead horse so much, man. Unfortunately, a lot of times in this business, I learned - especially in this company - if it's not their idea, they're not having it. Like you said, if you weren't their original product, things weren't taken to the extreme they should have been. But I learned. I tried for years to battle it and battle it and battle it and say why, why, why. I've given up on it."



Animal Promoting New Road Warriors Book, Updates on Chris Jericho

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Professional dancer Cheryl Burke noted on Twitter that she has already began rehearsing for ABC's Dancing With the Stars with partner Chris Jericho. She wrote the following yesterday: "Just finished day 1 of rehearsal! Love my new partner!"

- Speaking of Jericho, his band Fozzy has been announced for the UK's Sonisphere festival with Metallica, Motorhead, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot and others.

- "The Road Warriors: Danger, Death and the Rush of Wrestling" written by Road Warrior Animal is officially released this week. Animal, who is rumored to be going into the WWE Hall of Fame this year with late partner Hawk, will be making the following appearances to promote the book:

* March 10th at 12pm - Barnes & Noble Midwest Plaza in Minneapolis, MN
* March 17th at 6pm - Mall of America Rounda in Bloomington, MN
* April 14th at 7pm - Barnes & Noble in Arlington Heights, IL
* April 15th at 7pm - Barnes & Noble in Joliet, IL



Update on Jericho and DWTS, The Rock Comments After RAW

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/01/2011

- Chris Jericho was officially announced for ABC's Dancing With the Stars last night. His dance partner will be Cheryl Burke. Here's how they describe Jericho, who they are billing as wrestling's Superman:

""A 6-time WWE world champion, 2-time NY Times best-selling author, lead singer of the rock band Fozzy and host of the ABC game show, Downfall, Jericho began wrestling at age 19 and is best known as one of the most popular performers in wrestling history. In 2001, he was the first ever Undisputed Champion of the WWE and is the only performer to have held six different titles in the 44-year history of World Wrestling Entertainment. Jericho became a New York Times bestselling author in 2007 with his autobiography, A Lion's Tale: Around the World in Spandex, and is currently on the list again with his follow-up, Undisputed: How To Become The World Champion in 1,372 Easy Steps, his second auto-biography. His rock band Fozzy has sold a quarter million CDs worldwide."

- The Rock posted the following on Twitter after last night's RAW:



Legendary Wrestler Confirms Induction Into The WWE Hall of Fame

Posted by PWPIX (danndogg75@yahoo.com) on 03/01/2011

Abdullah the Butcher confirmed on Monday's episode of Right After Wrestling that he will be inducted into this year's WWE Hall of Fame class.

His unpredictable, ultra-violent style served as inspiration for numerous wrestlers and he still continues to compete on the independent circuit in a career that has lasted over fifty years.

During the interview, Abdullah cited fellow wrestling legend Terry Funk as the person he'd want to be inducted by. The Butcher also said that if he and Hulk Hogan were paired together in a feud today, they would draw money.

The full show podcast, also featuring an interview with Chris Jericho, is available here (http://radio.thescore.com/episodes/feb-28-full-show).

The current Hall of Fame class includes Shawn Michaels, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan and Bob Armstrong. Duggan will be inducted by "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase. Michaels and Armstrong's inductors have yet to be announced.



*SPOILER* On Next Week's WWE Hall of Fame Announcement

Posted by PWPIX (danndogg75@yahoo.com) on 03/01/2011

Sunny, considered by many to be the first Diva in World Wrestling Entertainment history, will be revealed as the next inductee into the WWE's Hall of Fame Class of 2011.

The announcement is scheduled to take place next Monday on Raw.

[The Sage]

EDIT: Metallo beat me to it!

And what a tease on Bryan/Regal. :csad:

[Johnny Drama]

I wonder if HBK and Sunny knew they would be inducted into the Hall Of Fame the same year when they were sniffing cocaine off of each others genitals.

[chapin]

I missed the last part, there was a cage fight at the end or not? any good happened?

[Nightmare]

Miz tried to help riley, but cena won anyway. Riley is no longer Miz's ***** boy

[Pink Ranger]

I wonder if HBK and Sunny knew they would be inducted into the Hall Of Fame the same year when they were sniffing cocaine off of each others genitals.

My guess would be Yes. That was some awesome cocaine.

[chapin]

Im glad Evan Bourne's back..

[Kaleb]

This Miz vs Cena fued is looking just as bad if not worse than the Jericho vs HHH fued that took place at WM a few yrs back

[The Sage]

- CBS News is covering the John Cena vs. Rock feud. You can check that out here.

- From Eric Sturrock and Pwinsider.com: On my DirecTV during Raw, they ran a commercial for Values.com "A Foundation for a better life", then went back to the show as Tamina was eliminated from the battle royal, a minute of the match.

- The Miami Herald recently spoke with Kevin Nash, here are some of the highlights…

On Returning To WWE: "Circle of life. Vince was the first one to give me the big break. I was back before asold-out crowd at the Boston Garden [TD Garden]. I got a response beyond what I expected. I knew I made the right decision."

On Working For TNA: "I had a good relationship with Dixie and enjoyed my time there. I have a lot of friends in TNA. It was just time for me to move on. There are so many more opportunities in a larger organization like WWE, especially outside of the ring, that it was pretty much a no-brainer."

- WWE sent out the following today…

Kmart® Becomes Official Sponsor of WWE®

STAMFORD, Conn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--WWE® (NYSE:WWE) and Kmart® announced today that Kmart will be the exclusive presenting sponsor of all WWE's U.S. live events throughout 2011. The partnership encompasses promotional rights to WWE's pop-culture extravaganza WrestleMania®, exposure at all WWE pay-per-view events and the more than 250 WWE live shows held in the U.S. throughout the year. WrestleMania XXVII will be held on Sunday, April 3 at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta and is expected to draw approximately 70,000 fans from all 50 states and around the world.

"Kmart is excited to expand its relationship with WWE"

As the exclusive presenting sponsor of WWE's "Live Tour," Kmart will be incorporated into all promotional elements of the live events including marketing materials, tickets and digital platforms. The partnership will also include in-program exposure, as well as :30 commercial units during WWE's "Monday Night Raw®" on USA Network and "Friday Night SmackDown®" on Syfy. WWE will support the partnership by creating a microsite on WWE.com which will host several sweepstakes and exclusive offers; featuring ads in WWE Magazine and WWE event programs; and providing in-store appearances by WWE Superstars and Divas.

"Kmart is excited to expand its relationship with WWE," stated Mark Snyder, chief marketing officer, Kmart. "This partnership will allow our customers to engage with an exciting entertainment brand and enjoy exclusive offers and promotions throughout the year."

"The partnership between WWE and Kmart is the perfect fit," said Michelle D. Wilson, EVP, Marketing & Sales. "The exposure Kmart will have across all of our platforms including live events, TV, pay-per-views, digital assets and talent appearances is certain to drive measurable business results."

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/176242/WWE-News:-CBS-Covers-Rock-vs.-Cena,-Kevin-Nash-Talks-WWE-&-TNA,-More.htm

[Pink Ranger]

Kmart: The TNA of the box store industry.

[Project862006]

PWInsider
If you thought Triple H buried the entire locker room during his promo on Raw last night, you weren't alone. A number of Raw talents all looked at each other in disbelief when Triple H made the comment that there were no challenges left for himself and Undertaker. One Raw talent yelled out to one locker room that Triple H just "called us all jobbers" and was furious. A few wrestlers defended HHH to me, feeling that he had to hard sell the Wrestlemania match but we've heard a lot of wrestlers were upset about the comment. The promo was something Triple H came up with, not something fed to him by creative.

[PyroChamber]

- Malik sent word that in the new issue of Fighting Spirit Magazine, Jerry Lawler said that he's currently dating 21 year old WWE developmental Diva Su Yung. Yung is using the name Sonia in FCW and got her start in the Memphis, Tennessee independent scene, for Lawler's Memphis Wrestling and other promotions.

I see Lawler still likes them young.

[The Sage]

Of course Triple H came up with the promo and not creative.

And you can hard sell a match without burying people.

[Kaleb]

There is something about that article which doesn't sound right.

[Metamorpho1977]

There's something menacing about the Foundation for a better life. I can't put my finger on it, but I just feel they are up to something. Kind of like ecstasy just wants to make you feel better.

[Pink Ranger]

I see Lawler still likes them young.

I hate to be "that guy," but a 63-year-old on a 21-year-old is just not cool. He's TRIPLE her age right now. Is a woman in her 30s and 40s too old for him? Jeesh ...

[Metallo]

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This Miz vs Cena fued is looking just as bad if not worse than the Jericho vs HHH fued that took place at WM a few yrs back

worse since Miz is caught between TWO top guys stealing the spotlight instead of one. And Miz can't even bring it in the bring like Jericho could to get attention.



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I'll defend HHH a little here in that he was just trying to sell HHH vs Taker II as big as he could. And its true they've won every title and event they could. Gone against some of the top names. The streak is really all HHH has left as a challenge. But he could have worded it a little differently to not make it sound liek the roster doesn't offer any challenge.

And who really knows intent. DX beat almost the entire Raw roster in one match. That was a lot worse than what he said last night.



I hate to be "that guy," but a 63-year-old on a 21-year-old is just not cool. He's TRIPLE her age right now. Is a woman in her 30s and 40s too old for him? Jeesh ...

Makes Flairs skirt chasing look a lot less bad. Any younger and Lawlers gonna be sitting down with Chris Hanson.

[Pink Ranger]

Makes Flairs skirt chasing look a lot less bad. Any younger and Lawlers gonna be sitting down with Chris Hanson.

OMG, I can practically hear Chris Hanson's accusatory voice reading out the work-up he'll do on Jerry's past.

"The target of this week's sting even has an alias! He calls himself "The King!" King of what, Jerry? Sexual deviancy?

"This isn't Jerry's first incident of bad behaviour. Back in 1995, he shoved his bare foot into the mouth of another grown man! In front of a live audience, no less! And we have repeated footage of him, on tape, hitting another man with a blunt object when the referee had his back turned.

"Does this look like an innocent man to you? I don't think so ..."

[PyroChamber]

I hate to be "that guy," but a 63-year-old on a 21-year-old is just not cool. He's TRIPLE her age right now. Is a woman in her 30s and 40s too old for him? Jeesh ...We all know how Lawler is with women, I'm wondering what she's thinking hooking up with him. I mean how many 21-year-old girls will hook up with a man that old just because they like them?

[Heretic]

Regarding Riley being "fired"....

The guy has TONS of potential...he could be a huge star someday. He's kind of like the Miz, but more believable as a tough guy, and less goofy looking...HOWEVER...he just keep screwing up. He blows REALLY important spots and seems to forget what he is supposed to do...and even outside of the ring he's a screw-up, getting in trouble for drinking and riving arrests and interview flubs...

I know that he's not really fired...but leaving The Miz is a demotion for him...especially if he gets thrown into a tag team...but he clearly needs more time to get ready before WWE risks putting him in a really important role again.

[Kaleb]

He will head to superstars and rot away just like Tyson Kidd.

[LOBO3315a]

That John joke.....*cringe*

[Ultimate_Superman]

Triple H didn't bury anybody he was just telling the truth. I mean seriously look at the state of the WWE aside from Cena and Orton and maybe Punk there is no one who can really compete at his and Takers level. Edge is on his way out and Christian is hurt and Kane is not on Triple H level IMO. That's why I support his idea of a complete talent overhaul they really need to build up a new roster and you can see that when WM title match is nothing but a joke because people would prefer to hear or even see Thr Rock and Cena have a battle of words for 5 mins over Miz vs Cena.

[Nightmare]

If you thought Triple H buried the entire locker room during his promo on Raw last night, you weren't alone. A number of Raw talents all looked at each other in disbelief when Triple H made the comment that there were no challenges left for himself and Undertaker. One Raw talent yelled out to one locker room that Triple H just "called us all jobbers" and was furious. A few wrestlers defended HHH to me, feeling that he had to hard sell the Wrestlemania match but we've heard a lot of wrestlers were upset about the comment. The promo was something Triple H came up with, not something fed to him by creative.
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So someone in the back yelled out "HE JUST CALLED US ALL JOBBERS" during triple h's promo?:wow:

[Project862006]

i got an idea who it is if you think of a certain outspoken raw superstar you can put 2 and 2 together

but just my speculation

[chapin]

Triple H didn't bury anybody he was just telling the truth. I mean seriously look at the state of the WWE aside from Cena and Orton and maybe Punk there is no one who can really compete at his and Takers level. Edge is on his way out and Christian is hurt and Kane is not on Triple H level IMO.

Aree.. I remember when Jeff Hardy was feuding with HHH for the title, those were good matches IMO. I wonder what could happend if Morrison and HHH are in a feud.

[Lunar_Wolf]

While the HHH promo angered people, it's the truth. The guy has done it all, there's no one else out there that's going to pull an exciting with HHH for Wrestlemania as a bout with undertaker will.

[Pink Ranger]

So someone in the back yelled out "HE JUST CALLED US ALL JOBBERS" during triple h's promo?:wow:

I always wondered if the actual wrestlers ever actually use the same lingo we fanboys use: words like jobber, heel, face, smark, etc.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I always wondered if the actual wrestlers ever actually use the same lingo we fanboys use: words like jobber, heel, face, smark, etc.

Yep, they do.

[Project862006]

While the HHH promo angered people, it's the truth. The guy has done it all, there's no one else out there that's going to pull an exciting with HHH for Wrestlemania as a bout with undertaker will.
he did'nt need to word it like there is no one in the back that is a challenge

could of said

"i have done everything there is to do in the wwe plenty of great up and comers back there but taker is a legend that i need to conquer to feel satisfied" or something along those lines

not you dont matter type of comment

[Lunar_Wolf]

he did'nt need to word it like there is no one in the back that is a challenge

could of said

"i have done everything there is to do in the wwe plenty of great up and comers back there but taker is a legend that i need to conquer to feel satisfied" or something along those lines

not you dont matter type of comment

He didn't mean it in terms of ''No one in the back matters''. He said the only challenge he has left is to end the streak. He won championships, faced many wrestlers, start factions, the guy has been apart of the company for 16 or so years. The Undertaker and HHH are the last two guys in the company that are from the 90's generation.

[Metallo]

He didn't mean it in terms of ''No one in the back matters''. He said the only challenge he has left is to end the streak. He won championships, faced many wrestlers, start factions, the guy has been apart of the company for 16 or so years. The Undertaker and HHH are the last two guys in the company that are from the 90's generation.

:huh: Of top guys from that era maybe.

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[chapin]

It's just a promo

[Project862006]

lol he specifically said no one in the back brings a challenge

[the_ultimate_evil]

:huh: Of top guys from that era maybe.


i don't think outside of kane, were any of them big name main event during the attitude era.

[The Sage]

It's just a promo

lol he specifically said no one in the back brings a challenge

Pretty much. I could be reading too much into it.

[Metallo]

i don't think outside of kane, were any of them big name main event during the attitude era.

Thats why I said of top guys of that era, Evil. But every guy I listed was around in the 90's

Dustin Runnels made his WWE debut before HHH even had his first pro match anywhere.

[LuisTX85]

Triple H didn't bury anybody he was just telling the truth. I mean seriously look at the state of the WWE aside from Cena and Orton and maybe Punk there is no one who can really compete at his and Takers level. Edge is on his way out and Christian is hurt and Kane is not on Triple H level IMO. That's why I support his idea of a complete talent overhaul they really need to build up a new roster and you can see that when WM title match is nothing but a joke because people would prefer to hear or even see Thr Rock and Cena have a battle of words for 5 mins over Miz vs Cena.

I agree!

[The Sage]

Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not, going out there and saying that does no one any favors if the company is trying to build their future around their roster. Jericho put it best when talking about TNA: if the guys don't believe in the company, then audience won't.

Also, Triple H can't even compete at Triple H's level anymore. He hasn't been able to for a few years now. The most obvious example is Wrestlemania 25.

[Metallo]

Triple H didn't bury anybody he was just telling the truth. I mean seriously look at the state of the WWE aside from Cena and Orton and maybe Punk there is no one who can really compete at his and Takers level. Edge is on his way out and Christian is hurt and Kane is not on Triple H level IMO.

Triple H certainly made sure of that. :whatever:

Theres a few people on the roster that could be on a level similar to HHH and Taker if they were properly booked. Big Show could be close if he wasn't booked so horribly over the last decade. Big Show and Kane were made to look like fools next to HHH. Goldust was a ridiculous gimmick but as far as sheer talent Dustin Rhodes is one of the best in the company. Much like his old man he got something silly over and it was an early sign of the attitude era. For 1995/96 WWF that character was REALLY pushing the envelope.

You can be on high level when your booked as untouchable and presented strongly the way HHH and Taker have been. They have the talent but it wasn't all talent. If that was the case they both would have been HUGE stars in WCW but they weren't. Much like Austin and Foley they came to WWF and were slowly developed and given opportunities.

[Superark]

Video of Sting's return at the NC 3-3-11 show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMKw6owWxM&feature=player_embedded

I can never get the youtube option to work on here. what do I do?

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMKw6owWxM&feature=player_embedded)

[Metallo]

Video of Sting's return at the NC 3-3-11 show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMKw6owWxM&feature=player_embedded

I can never get the youtube option to work on here. what do I do?

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMKw6owWxM&feature=player_embedded)

Instead of putting the whole adress between the just put the bolded part in there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMKw6owWxM&feature=player_embedded

oBMKw6owWxM



WWE Hall Of Famer Leaving TNA To Work With WWE
by Matt Boone
www.wrestlezone.com (http://www.wrestlezone.com)

According to a report on ProWrestling.net, WWE Hall Of Famer Jimmy Hart has informed TNA Wrestling officials that he will be returning to WWE to work the upcoming Fan Axxess convention during WrestleMania 27 weekend.I called it as Jimmy Hart. Not surprised since he's always stayed on good terms with WWE. He does a lot backstage but I'd hardly call him a MAJOR player backstage. That was definitely some HTM exaggeration. TNA can go on doing the same thing without him. I do see how that might disappointing Hogan though since he and Hart are close.

WWE probably asked Jimmy to do it since he's always done these Axxess events for WM weekend.



Former WWE Star Speaks On Gay Wedding Angle, Billy Gunn by Matt Boone
wrestlezone.com

The following is an excerpt from a recent interview with former WWE Superstar Chuck Palumbo:

"You know, honestly, I got to say that was one of my most fun times. You know first of all I got to work with Billy Gunn, who was a veteran and had been around a long time. He was showing me the ropes number one. Number two I was getting some time. I was getting some TV time, so I was digging that you know. I got nothing against gay people, you know, ask Matt, they’re always making great gay jokes and making fun of people behind the scenes. I took it as a joke. I had fun with it. I mean I had a lot of fun with it.

"My only comment on that would be that I just wish, I felt like when it disbanded, it had a lot of miles on it. A lot of times there’s a reason why they disband things. I think at the time Billy Gunn was about done with his contract and you know they decided to let him go, but I think it had a lot more miles left in it. Than again when Vince [McMahon] put that together, he put that together for cable network ratings week you know what I mean, so he had a reason for it. He wanted to get that final rating on that smack down show, so I guess he did what he thought was right you know, but I thought it had more mileage left."

Check out the complete interview online at the Busted Open Satellite Radio Website (http://www.facebook.com/bustedopen).



[B]Sabu's Wounds, Physical & Emotional, Bared In "Timeline ECW"
by Matt Boone

Kayfabe Commentaries sent along the following ...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

March 1, 2011

SABU'S WOUNDS, PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL, BARED IN "TIMELINE ECW"
It is said of businesses and marriages...if it survives five years it'll go on forever. ECW, in its original "Extreme" incarnation, lasted seven, had a groundbreaking effect on the wrestling business, changed how the majors presented their product, and amassed a die-hard army of fans.

Then it was was gone.

Well, sure it hung aorund for a bit as an appendage of the WWE goliath. But everything that made ECW a significant entry in pro wrestling history. was gone after seven years. And in their new DVD series, "Timeline: The History of ECW," producers Kayfabe Commentaries seek to pore over all the details for those years. The series is a spin-off of the critically acclaimed "Timeline: The History of WWE" which KC is also actively producing.

The debut episode went onsale today, and it spotlights one year, as all the "Timeline" DVDs do. The premiere edition features 1997 and it is told in great detail by Sabu. There are smiles. There is laughter. The is Krazy Glue. And there are genuine tears. Those tears were shed by one of the toughest men in the business, which adds to their gravity.

Sabu's emotions rise to the surface when discussing Paul Heyman, the messiah-like leader of ECW, and his handling of one "accidental" indiscretion by Sabu. This, Sabu suggests, after many by Heyman. Oddly, Heyman remains revered by Sabu.

This is the magic of the "Timeline" series says Kayfabe Commentaries' Sean Oliver. "How many second-hand accounts...in the form of books and newsletters, blogs, and whatnot...can we read about significant times in wrestling history?" Oliver asks. "It was always our contention that the stars of the WWE and now ECW would be the storytellers in our respective series. I don't want the pundits to weigh in. So when you buy a 'Timleline' DVD, you will be guided through that specific year by someone who was there to see it, hear it, feel it, and wipe the damn blood off their body afterwards. In some cases, they wipe the tears too. The journey is real. And you're there for it."

The "Timeline WWE" series spans decades, and is therefore an open-ended project, with Kayfabe Commentaries releasing 4-6 editions per year. Since "Timeline ECW" will only cover seven years, Kayfabe Commentaries plans to release two per year. They have also partnered with RF Video for a special "Hardcore Pack" for each "Timeline ECW" release. This pack consists of the "Timeline" shoot-style interview, plus RF Video's "Year In Review" discs for the corresponding years, allowing fans to have all the major matches and angles discussed in the interview.

"Timeline: The History of ECW - 1997 Told by Sabu" went on sale today at www.kayfabecommentaries.com (http://www.kayfabecommentaries.com).

[Slushy]

Of top guys from that era maybe.



He was referring to main eventers. You have a point with Kane, but WWE isn't going to admit that Kane used to be a dentist. They even went as far as editting commentary from Josh Matthews during a match on one of the B shows when he brought it up.

I always wondered if the actual wrestlers ever actually use the same lingo we fanboys use: words like jobber, heel, face, smark, etc.

They even call each other by their character names away from the cameras because it makes conversations easier. True story.

[Metallo]

He was referring to main eventers. You have a point with Kane, but WWE isn't going to admit that Kane used to be a dentist. They even went as far as editting commentary from Josh Matthews during a match on one of the B shows when he brought it up.



They even call each other by their character names away from the cameras because it makes conversations easier. True story.


Thats why I said top guys. But even Kane and Big Show were WWF champions in the 90's and were used in the main event. They just weren't full time main event draws like Austin or Rock. Then again Taker really wasn't either. He was in the tier below those two with HHH and Foley.

Even Triple H didn't get into the main event until 1999...which was the same year Big Show came to the company and after Kanes first big run. Its not like he was a big deal for the entire decade the way Taker was.

[bullets]

I always wondered if the actual wrestlers ever actually use the same lingo we fanboys use: words like jobber, heel, face, smark, etc.


I hear them say it all the time in interviews, books, etc. Al Snow called the word "smark" an oxymoron though. So I guess it just depends .

[bullets]

Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not, going out there and saying that does no one any favors if the company is trying to build their future around their roster. Jericho put it best when talking about TNA: if the guys don't believe in the company, then audience won't.
.


It certainly didn't do any favors for the company. I'm not sure if he meant it that way or not but that's the message a lot of people walked away with. Shawn Michaels was able to go against Taker two years in a row and nothing like this happened. I just hope for the duration of the feud it's more focused and no iterations of the roster with the exception of Shawn Michaels or others that have gone against the streak.

[Wylie Times]

he did'nt need to word it like there is no one in the back that is a challenge

could of said

"i have done everything there is to do in the wwe plenty of great up and comers back there but taker is a legend that i need to conquer to feel satisfied" or something along those lines

not you dont matter type of comment

Exactly.

After Rock and Austin had their last match Rock cut a similar promo but never buried the rest of the locker room. He said he accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish and was done. He pretty much said the same thing during his Raw promo last night.

HHH knew exactly what he was saying and it was obviously a knock against the younger guys. It's not even the first time he's done that, he takes little digs at talent all the time. The only people I've seen be allowed to go at HHH on the mic like he goes at other people are Rock, Austin, and Jericho.

[The Sage]

The following is an excerpt from a recent ESPN.com interview with WWE Superstar Rey Mysterio:

Jon Robinson: Speaking of bringing back old memories, The Rock made his return to Raw recently and will be at Wrestlemania. What does that mean to the WWE to have him back?

Rey Mysterio: I want to say that maybe for a while, our fan base, the WWE Universe have been asking themselves for a very long time if The Rock is coming back, when is The Rock coming back. Now here he is, and I think everyone who had been wondering about that were very entertained. And I'm not going to lie to you, I was at home and I was entertained. But there was a big comeback from what The Rock said last Monday, so now it's getting good because John Cena doesn't have tape over his mouth. He can spit, and when he spits, he can get nasty, so it's going to be good. That's all I can say, it's going to be good. Anytime you get something new, or something old that was good that fans have been waiting to see but hasn't been given to them, then boom, it's back, it's like wow, and everyone is on the edge of their seats. Here we go. And this year, I think fans are going to be on the edge of their seats for Wrestlemania, from the beginning to the end.

Check out the complete interview online at ESPN.com.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/rey-mysterio-speaks-on-rock-cenas-recent-promos-125091

[Colossal Spoons]

Jesus, that Buffalo crowd was so dead it was ridiculous. I knew it was gonna be bad when HHH put people to sleep.

[Paladin-Hoss]

Well, this is the third times i've watched a full episodes of RAW in as many years.

All these new faces i've never seen before...

Gotta say it though. this 'Miz'guy...first time i saw him, i noticed that he's got a face that you just wanna ******slap.Now...seeing as how he got lost in the shuffle between the three of them...i'm starting to kinda like this guy. Guess i'm just a sucker for the underdog type of story.

Well... maybe i can become a fan again

[venom892]

Just saw the HHH promo.It was actually pretty good,but yea he should have worded that one line differently.

[louiebling$]

im so irritated Brodus didnt win NXT

[Nightmare]

Who won?

[Dr. Evil]

Who won?

Johnny Curtis.

[NDX]

Johnny Curtis.
********. All I have to say.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Triple H didn't bury anybody he was just telling the truth. I mean seriously look at the state of the WWE aside from Cena and Orton and maybe Punk there is no one who can really compete at his and Takers level. Edge is on his way out and Christian is hurt and Kane is not on Triple H level IMO. That's why I support his idea of a complete talent overhaul they really need to build up a new roster and you can see that when WM title match is nothing but a joke because people would prefer to hear or even see Thr Rock and Cena have a battle of words for 5 mins over Miz vs Cena.

Truth.

I say if you have a problem with what Triple H said on the microphone, get over it. The point is to hype yourself up and talk trash. It's not "let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayaa-Raw", it's Monday Night Raw. It's wrestling. I want to hear trash talking. Not someone getting on the microphone talking all nice about everyone else.

[louiebling$]

********. All I have to say.


Preach on brotha preach on

Curtis brings nothing to the table whereas Brodus Brings a lot..... He has got the in ring,mouth,and presence...not to mention he could be a Great assist to any roster as a Monster Heel

[Scar Predator]

im so irritated Brodus didnt win NXT

I agree, but it isn't as if being the winner has automatically translated into success. The only young monster WWE has is Zeke Jackson and he's unproven. Brodus is coming to the fed at an opportune time.

[bullets]

Truth.

I say if you have a problem with what Triple H said on the microphone, get over it. The point is to hype yourself up and talk trash. It's not "let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayaa-Raw", it's Monday Night Raw. It's wrestling. I want to hear trash talking. Not someone getting on the microphone talking all nice about everyone else.



Not everyone can just go out there and say what they want. Especially for someone to come out and talk trash about Triple H.

[RetroNaz]

Truth.

I say if you have a problem with what Triple H said on the microphone, get over it. The point is to hype yourself up and talk trash. It's not "let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayaa-Raw", it's Monday Night Raw. It's wrestling. I want to hear trash talking. Not someone getting on the microphone talking all nice about everyone else.

I agree with what you're saying Nell.

I guess the issues are historical with HHH. It's very hard to enjoy his promos without reading into them further than we would from someone like Santino.

[louiebling$]

I just watched a Promo for the new Real World Las Vegas... and the trailer music was the Usos Theme music :huh:

[Slushy]

HHHating got old after 2006. If anything, I'm excited to see him retire so he can take over the WWE Empire because I have complete faith than he will do a better job running the company than either of Vince's kids.

[Hunter Rider]

I always wondered if the actual wrestlers ever actually use the same lingo we fanboys use: words like jobber, heel, face, smark, etc.

That's how the words got known basically.

Truth.

I say if you have a problem with what Triple H said on the microphone, get over it. The point is to hype yourself up and talk trash. It's not "let's all hold hands and sing Kumbayaa-Raw", it's Monday Night Raw. It's wrestling. I want to hear trash talking. Not someone getting on the microphone talking all nice about everyone else.

No, when you cut a promo your job is to sell your match, Triple H was doing that fine when talking about the streak being what keeps Taker alive, and being the last goal for him as he's won everything, the shot at the lockerroom was just him being the complete *****ucker he is because if it were like you said then Miz could come out later and point out that Triple H is a bloated roid monster, who hasn't had a good match in 3 years and who ****ed his way to power, but he can't do that because only Triple H is allowed free shots.

[Hunter Rider]

Johnny Curtis actually has some charisma IMO, Personally I thought Bateman would win as he's so good with Bryan but I guess they figure he is over enough to get on the roster anyway, same with Brodus, he will be Del Rio's bodyguard. Curtis winning gives him and R-Truth a shot at Nexus' tag titles, which makes sense, the WWE have gotten 3 new prospects out of this season of NxT IMO.

[NDX]

When wrestling's mullet lost, I gave up on NXT. Brodus Clay losing is just icing on the cake. NXT IS DEAD TO ME!

Ah, who am I kidding, that would imply I watch NXT, and I don't. Haven't seen a full episode since it went WWE.com exclusive. I still think it's a good idea to get these guys time in front of large crowds, see how they react. You can tell who's ready who's not that way. Still not gonna watch.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not, going out there and saying that does no one any favors if the company is trying to build their future around their roster. Jericho put it best when talking about TNA: if the guys don't believe in the company, then audience won't.

Also, Triple H can't even compete at Triple H's level anymore. He hasn't been able to for a few years now. The most obvious example is Wrestlemania 25.
Say what you want to say but he did the right thing IMO. Sometimes you need to call out people. Seriously I know that this is a PG/PG-13 era but the talent in the WWE has dropped and it keeps getting worse. They really need to find talent and people like what hey had back in the 90's and early 00. Some of the reason why people are slacking off is because TNA is a joke and they really have no one to compete against like they did back when WCW and ECW were at their highest points but Triple H didn't do or say anything wrong with his promo.

If the talent wants to do something about it prove him wrong. Step up their game and prove they can be WM headliners? Till they can do that there is really nothing left for them to say because it is pointless he is right.

[RetroNaz]

Say what you want to say but he did the right thing IMO. Sometimes you need to call out people. Seriously I know that this is a PG/PG-13 era but the talent in the WWE has dropped and it keeps getting worse. They really need to find talent and people like what hey had back in the 90's and early 00. Some of the reason why people are slacking off is because TNA is a joke and they really have no one to compete against like they did back when WCW and ECW were at their highest points but Triple H didn't do or say anything wrong with his promo.

If the talent wants to do something about it prove him wrong. Step up their game and prove they can be WM headliners? Till they can do that there is really nothing left for them to say because it is pointless he is right.

Funny way of looking at it though.

I mean, for one; EVERYONE knows HHH is married to Stephanie in real life - they've gone as far as giving that away on air. So by virtue, he's a part of the business in the same sense that Shane and Stephanie are.

His "voice" carries a lot more weight to it than a standard Cena promo would.

We perceive what he says in much the same way we would from Vince - both have the clout in the company to shift the focus of creative and give us a perception of what the "office" thinks of it's stars.

So for him to openly state what he said is bad for their business in my opinion. It's just another little rain drop in a large flood of damage that these kind of remarks make to the overall product. How can you possibly try and tell me it's better for business rather than doing harm to it? Would the coach of a football team tell their fans that this person and this person are great, but all the rest suck and aren't at the same level? No, they wouldn't. WWE - the company are a team of people. They have one guy that they often tout as the face of the company, but he wouldn't be anything if it wasn't for the team. And besides, HHH or Undertaker are not the face of the company, nor have they ever been.

And who is slacking off? Orton, Punk, Cena, Miz, Edge, Rey, I can go on...these guys are not slacking off. They work hard. The wrestlers can NOT be faulted for the state of WWE right now.

Bland characters, lack of character development, poor taste angles, cookie cutter storylines, cheap match finishes, repetitive feuds, badly managed PPV scheduling, the list goes on as to where the real issues lie. Regardless of being PG.

[The Sage]

Say what you want to say but he did the right thing IMO. Sometimes you need to call out people. Seriously I know that this is a PG/PG-13 era but the talent in the WWE has dropped and it keeps getting worse. They really need to find talent and people like what hey had back in the 90's and early 00. Some of the reason why people are slacking off is because TNA is a joke and they really have no one to compete against like they did back when WCW and ECW were at their highest points but Triple H didn't do or say anything wrong with his promo.

If the talent wants to do something about it prove him wrong. Step up their game and prove they can be WM headliners? Till they can do that there is really nothing left for them to say because it is pointless he is right.

Pfft, if he's going to call talent out, why doesn't other talent call him out? Like HR said, Triple H hasn't had a match at the level he's talking about in several years. In truth when I think about it, no one in recent memory has taken any insider or personal shots at Triple H when there are quite a few that could be brought up.

I could see it if someone like Shawn Michaels called people out. You can't say anything negative about the level of matches he's had. Same with Undertaker to an extent. If Stone Cold Steve Austin were to say it, it'd be borderline acceptable. But Triple H? When the man's been stinking up the joint?

And really, they do have the talent for the most part. The booking sucks. I can give examples of how some guys could be farther along than they are and would be if not for booking.

[Pink Ranger]

Brodus not winning NXT may be a blessing in disguise. If he's bound for the main roster anyway, he can come in with a fresher storyline, something other than "NXT winner" and be more successful in the short and long term.

[RetroNaz]

Good way of looking at it.

[Metallo]

That's how the words got known basically.



No, when you cut a promo your job is to sell your match, Triple H was doing that fine when talking about the streak being what keeps Taker alive, and being the last goal for him as he's won everything, the shot at the lockerroom was just him being the complete *****ucker he is because if it were like you said then Miz could come out later and point out that Triple H is a bloated roid monster, who hasn't had a good match in 3 years and who ****ed his way to power, but he can't do that because only Triple H is allowed free shots.

Amen. Thats my biggest problem with it. If anyone could respond to HHH the way he responds to them then I'd have no problem with anything he says on air.

like when Shawn Michaels was feuding with Chris Masters and Masters got to make fun of Michaels bald spot and thinning hairline.

When was the last time someone EVER ripped into HHH in such an embarrassing way? If someone made cracks about how he has his spot cause hes nailing the head of creative and the owners daughter their a** would be fired as soon as they walked through the Gorilla position.

When Masters got in there with HHH the last time HHH made fun of Masters steroid violation and how he'd obviously gotten off the juice. That was HHH going into business for himself. The LAST thing WWE needed was any kind of joke about a steroid issue at the time. I look at the 1995 HHH and the 2011 HHH and I see a HUGE difference. What a hypocrite for making fun of someone else for that.



Say what you want to say but he did the right thing IMO. Sometimes you need to call out people. Seriously I know that this is a PG/PG-13 era but the talent in the WWE has dropped and it keeps getting worse. They really need to find talent and people like what hey had back in the 90's and early 00. Some of the reason why people are slacking off is because TNA is a joke and they really have no one to compete against like they did back when WCW and ECW were at their highest points but Triple H didn't do or say anything wrong with his promo.

If the talent wants to do something about it prove him wrong. Step up their game and prove they can be WM headliners? Till they can do that there is really nothing left for them to say because it is pointless he is right.

How are the talent going to step up when they aren't given the same opportunities to do that. When HHH was coming up wrestlers weren't NEARLY as overproduced as they are now. The shows are more main eventer centric than they've EVER been.

When HHH was coming up everybody got some promo time. Thats not true anymore. And when they do get promo time its scripted garbage from a bunch of wannabe Hollywood writers who know nothing about wrestling and how to sell to a crowd.

Young talent is PUSHED out there before they are even ready sometimes. In the old days new talent didn't even GET to WWE until they had a decade in the business.

You can't lay all the blame on the talent and tell them to step it up when it was WWE that helped f*** up the system. The younger guys had no say so and no control in that.

Get talent like they had in the 80's and 90's? How? WWE helped KILL the territory system that bred all the talent from that era. And now WWE makes young talent go through their assembly line, cookie cutter FARM system where everybody learns the same and everybody is told exactly what to do. The agents that work in WWE don't have NEARLY enough power to help the younger guys they way they should be because management over controls everything.

The one place that DID seem to help bred decent new talent (OVW) got kicked to the curb in favor of FCW so Johnny Ace could go down to Miami and have a good time. They got a guy in talent relations that NOBODY likes. His own freakin brother just pointed that out yesterday. Is that the talents fault too?

[chamber-music]

WWE should of built up the New Nexus versus The Corre beef for Wrsetlemania. I don't care if both groups are heels it would still be far more intresting than Orton vs Nexus and Corre vs Big Show.

[Pink Ranger]

The Corre as a group is better than Nexus. Nexus is all Punk; without their leader, none of those guys really stand out. Whereas Corre has Wade Barrett, along with one of the most intimidating "big men" in the WWE right now, one of the better high flying workers, and an annoying ginger the fans love to hate.

If this was Star Wars, Nexus would be like Darth Vader plus 4 useless stormtroopers, and Corre would be the gang of cool bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back.

[chapin]

I have never seen a single season or episode of NXT ever..

[chapin]

If this was Star Wars, Nexus would be like Darth Vader plus 4 useless stormtroopers, and Corre would be the gang of cool bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back.

funny! Great comparison

[Heretic]

Every promo I've heard against HHH in the past several years:

"You are the king of kings...you are THE GAME...and I respect you because you are unquestionably one of the greatest stars in the history of this business...but I will beat you to prove that I deserve my spot"

HHH's promo to them: "You are worthless and nothing to this business. You aren't even worth my time".

[The Sage]

The Corre as a group is better than Nexus. Nexus is all Punk; without their leader, none of those guys really stand out. Whereas Corre has Wade Barrett, along with one of the most intimidating "big men" in the WWE right now, one of the better high flying workers, and an annoying ginger the fans love to hate.

If this was Star Wars, Nexus would be like Darth Vader plus 4 useless stormtroopers, and Corre would be the gang of cool bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back.

The only one that functions well in the New Nexus is Mason Ryan as a bodyguard type, which is perfect for him right now. You could drop the other three, especially Otunga.

Every promo I've heard against HHH in the past several years:

"You are the king of kings...you are THE GAME...and I respect you because you are unquestionably one of the greatest stars in the history of this business...but I will beat you to prove that I deserve my spot"

HHH's promo to them: "You are worthless and nothing to this business. You aren't even worth my time".

Bingo.

[Heretic]

This has little to do with the topics at hand (unless you count HHH's promos...)

I believe that calling people "gay" as a promo tool needs to be stopped. Aside from it not being funny after the 10,000th time I heard it, what is the point of it? Is it suggesting that gay men can't be tough? That somehow gay men are not to be supported by society/the WWE Universe?

I only hear face characters use this sort of insult...but outside of wrestling...anyone who uses hateful speech against homosexuals are generally considered "heels".

HHH and Cena are the biggest offenders here.

Just once I wish a heel would say "what if I were gay? Are these people supposed to cheer the idea of beating up another man because he's gay? Is your morality such that you judge people based on who they love, and physically assault those who offend your twisted sensibilities? Why do even care so much about whether or not other men are homosexual? You're a bigot and a poor example for the youth who look up to you." or something like that.

[chapin]

The only thing I wanna say about all this "HHH promo debate and analysis" is that: I'm glad Evan Air Bourne is back!

[Metallo]

The Corre as a group is better than Nexus. Nexus is all Punk; without their leader, none of those guys really stand out. Whereas Corre has Wade Barrett, along with one of the most intimidating "big men" in the WWE right now, one of the better high flying workers, and an annoying ginger the fans love to hate.

If this was Star Wars, Nexus would be like Darth Vader plus 4 useless stormtroopers, and Corre would be the gang of cool bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back.


I have to agree. Corre seems to be about the whole group getting over. It was the same way with Nexus when Barrett led them. He was green himself but as the face of the group the group as a whole made an impact.

Punks a great talker but the only person thats being helped in the New Nexus is Punk.
I think Barrett is just a more natural leader type. Maybe because he's so new himself that he seems on the same level as the rest of Nexus and Corre while Punk seems to be on a much higher level apart from the rest of his Nexus.

Barrett got the better group. Maybe they figured he needed because his group had to get over with a new name. Maybe they also thought Punk had more star power and could carry his Nexus with that.



Every promo I've heard against HHH in the past several years:

"You are the king of kings...you are THE GAME...and I respect you because you are unquestionably one of the greatest stars in the history of this business...but I will beat you to prove that I deserve my spot"

HHH's promo to them: "You are worthless and nothing to this business. You aren't even worth my time".

Pretty much.

A feud with Taker has many of the same problems for a new guy that a feud with HHH has. In the end both are going to be totally physically dominant. But even Taker doesn't bury someone verbally. He just plays up how awesome he is and how nobody is better. With HHH he'll run most people down with wisecrack remarks THEN talk about how damn good he is. Liek when he slapped the OVW sticker on the crate DX threw the Spirit Squad in. What was the point of that since most people in America have no idea what OVW is?

When he was comin up HHH would talk about how good his opponents were because he knew it would make him look that much better when he beat them. Now he really doesn't care to do that and probably asks "why should I?"

Tripel H can't stand Hogan or Warrior but he's just as bad as them. At least Warrior admitted he was just "playing the game." He even said HHH simply learned from him. HHH acts like he wants to do right then slips the knife in someones back when they aren't looking. Warrior told HHH how it was going to be at WM12 right to his face.

[Project862006]

^ did'nt hbk do that ovw thing too is he free of all this too?

[Pink Ranger]

This has little to do with the topics at hand (unless you count HHH's promos...)

I believe that calling people "gay" as a promo tool needs to be stopped. Aside from it not being funny after the 10,000th time I heard it, what is the point of it? Is it suggesting that gay men can't be tough? That somehow gay men are not to be supported by society/the WWE Universe? ...

That's a very admirable stance to take. To be honest though, outside of Cena's rap the other day, there hasn't been a lot of that in the WWE recently, that I can remember.

Myself, I either don't mind the backhanded gay comments or tune them out: in some ways it's amusing, because wrestling is a performance art where muscular, oiled up, half-naked men roll around on the floor together, and somehow they have the wherewithal to make of fun of homoerotic actions among others.

I would like to see an openly gay face/hero character one day, like a gay John Cena or gay Shawn Michaels, but I'll be watching Raw in an old age home by the time that happens.

[Heretic]

One of the differences with Taker and HHH is that Taker wont call them gay, bring up times when they were jobbing to midgets (to illustrate that the person is not a real threat) make fun of suspensions for steroid use, or flat out call people jobbers who shouldnt even be on tv. Taker just stands there, sure that he is the best in the world.

HHH isn't planning on being around much longer...and Taker won't be either. Basically his promo said "The two of us are far superior than anything WWE will present after we're gone"...and that seems like bad business. You always want to present your current product as being great.

[Kaleb]

^ did'nt hbk do that ovw thing too is he free of all this too?

He was most certainly a dick back in the day, the big difference between Hunter and HBK was that while Hunter would stab a wrestler in the back, Shawn did it upfront and to their face.

[Heretic]

That's a very admirable stance to take. To be honest though, outside of Cena's rap the other day, there hasn't been a lot of that in the WWE recently, that I can remember.

Myself, I either don't mind the backhanded gay comments or tune them out: in some ways it's amusing, because wrestling is a performance art where muscular, oiled up, half-naked men roll around on the floor together, and somehow they have the wherewithal to make of fun of homoerotic actions among others.

I would like to see an openly gay face/hero character one day, like a gay John Cena or gay Shawn Michaels, but I'll be watching Raw in an old age home by the time that happens.

The gay comments are generally used by HHH and Cena. Both of them use them against almost EVERY opponent they have. Legacy was gay, Nexus was gay, Miz and Riley are gay...Cena even used it against The Rock...it permeates almost every "slam" promo he cuts on an opponent. HHH has been gone for a year, so his gay jokes haven't been around either...but if he sticks around after his feud with Taker...they will return.

[Pink Ranger]

The gay comments are generally used by HHH and Cena. Both of them use them against almost EVERY opponent they have. Legacy was gay, Nexus was gay, Miz and Riley are gay...Cena even used it against The Rock...it permeates almost every "slam" promo he cuts on an opponent. HHH has been gone for a year, so his gay jokes haven't been around either...but if he sticks around after his feud with Taker...they will return.

Come to think of it, you're right about Cena. He does go there often. Apparently PG-rating still allows for gay jokes.

The problem is that I, like most of the fans who post here, step away from the TV and play Warcraft or something whenever Cena starts to cut a promo.

[Nightwing]

I would have liked to see Brodus win with the prize for this season being a shot for the US or IC title, then have Kofi vs. Clay.

I've known about Curtis for awhile through FCW...I remember when he and Rex were tag champs and then Rex got the bigger push and eventually went on to win the FCW title. But this was also during a span where Curtis got injured. He's good though IMO. He's put on some pretty decent matches whether as face or heel and some of my favorites were against Rex and Riley for the title or against Kris Logan. Currently he reminds me of Orton a little bit, haha.

[Project862006]

Curtis screams WWE hand picked winner to me

he looks like another Randy Orton Clone

while bateman has a good look has tons of personality and good in the ring it seemed

[Kaleb]

I would have liked to see Brodus win with the prize for this season being a shot for the US or IC title, then have Kofi vs. Clay.

I've known about Curtis for awhile through FCW...I remember when he and Rex were tag champs and then Rex got the bigger push and eventually went on to win the FCW title. But this was also during a span where Curtis got injured. He's good though IMO. He's put on some pretty decent matches whether as face or heel and some of my favorites were against Rex and Riley for the title or against Kris Logan. Currently he reminds me of Orton a little bit, haha.

I was thinking the same thing the other day.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well I don't think Triple H did anything wrong. He said what needed to be said and what many fans are thinking. I think people are so use to seeing him or hearing the stories of him burying someone they tend to overlook when he is speaking the truth about certain things. You want to blame the current state on poor booking I think that isn't an excuses look at Triple H when he was being punished for that MSG incident he was buried wost than what you clam he did to others and he still rose to be a great person. Look at Benoit and Y2J and a few others who were booked poorly but they still made them look like great matches even the Rock and Cena were booked poorly early on and look at them now. Its not about how your booked its about how you handle the match or the storyline. These guys are poorly trained expect for a few and it shows which is why I agree with Triple H. The Divas use to be great now they are a joke, the tag titles use to mean something now it is a joke (hell you can say that with all the titles pretty much) now because only 5 people are allowed to hold the belt really (Orton, Triple H, Cena, Edge, and Taker) that's really all the people they will allow to hold the belt for a good run. So once again I say if the roster has a problem with it prove him wrong. If they feel they are being booked poorly than make the match look good even so. A good example is Bret Harts feud with the King that was poorly done but still looked great.

[Heretic]

Come to think of it, you're right about Cena. He does go there often. Apparently PG-rating still allows for gay jokes.

The problem is that I, like most of the fans who post here, step away from the TV and play Warcraft or something whenever Cena starts to cut a promo.

Can you imagine if Cena said "Otunga is nothin, his talent is whack...and I heard backstage that he might be black" and then started beating up Otunga??? Cena would be TNA world champion before we knew it...

But for some reason, it is okay for Cena to mock homosexuals. Just imagine how many gay teens are out there...in the closet and confused...and they watch their hero bash their sexuality every other week. It's just a horrible example for their babyface wrestlers to present.

[Nightwing]

Curtis screams WWE hand picked winner to me

he looks like another Randy Orton Clone

while bateman has a good look has tons of personality and good in the ring it seemed
TBH it was quite obvious Curtis would win. Out of all the rookies he was the only one working dark matches as the season was going on. So obviously they've been prepping him.Some wins but more losses. He and Percy have worked several singles match before tapings for the last few months or so.

I hope we see Bateman back and with Bryan if need be. I never paid much attention to him in FCW although I did read good things about him. But this season he stood out.
I was thinking the same thing the other day.
He should go back to his old look.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Can you imagine if Cena said "Otunga is nothin, his talent is whack...and I heard backstage that he might be black" and then started beating up Otunga??? Cena would be TNA world champion before we knew it...

But for some reason, it is okay for Cena to mock homosexuals. Just imagine how many gay teens are out there...in the closet and confused...and they watch their hero bash their sexuality every other week. It's just a horrible example for their babyface wrestlers to present.
Otunga is nothing the only reason why he is there is because of I Love New York and who his wife is.

[Kaleb]

This crap is starting to get out of hand on smackdown

In an addition to the Smackdown spoilers from last night, the Edge vs. Drew McIntyre match was set up by a Teddy Long promo where he said Drew would be putting up his job in the match. McIntyre lost the match, so he is "fired" from Smackdown.

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[Heretic]

Otunga is nothing the only reason why he is there is because of I Love New York and who his wife is.

True...the point is that Cena would not be allowed to make fun of him for being black. NO wrestler would be allowed to go out and say "R Truth and JTG are friends because they go eat chitlens and watermelon after the show".

But Cena IS allowed to say "Cody and Ted like to get oiled up back at the hotel together after the show" or whatever.

[chamber-music]

I'm also a little surprised by the homophobic stuff. I could perhaps understand it in the attitude era because they were trying to be edgey or whatever but isn't this supposed to be the family friendly wrestling era.


Is McIntyre fired for real or is it a storyline?

The turnover rate of wrsetlers in the WWE is getting crazy

[Pink Ranger]

Can you imagine if Cena said "Otunga is nothin, his talent is whack...and I heard backstage that he might be black" and then started beating up Otunga??? Cena would be TNA world champion before we knew it...

But for some reason, it is okay for Cena to mock homosexuals. Just imagine how many gay teens are out there...in the closet and confused...and they watch their hero bash their sexuality every other week. It's just a horrible example for their babyface wrestlers to present.

You are 100% correct about that; there is a hierarchy of discrmination that exists, which applies not only to the WWE but to American pop culture in general. For example, it is completely wrong to make fun of blacks and, if there were any in wrestling, jewish people, but for some reason gays, women, Latinos and Asians are still fair game.

[Nightwing]

This crap is starting to get out of hand on smackdown
Hmm...also no sign or mentioning of Ziggler. I'm beginning to wonder if they both failed drug tests maybe? Otherwise, this is odd and tiresome. SD's roster is looking sad and this was probably the first time McIntyre had me interested in what he was doing. Even in the EC he had people cheering for him.
Is McIntyre fired for real or is it a storyline?

The turnover rate of wrsetlers in the WWE is getting crazy
Storyline...I think.

[Heretic]

I'm sure that McIntyre is still employed. They probably have a reason for writing out these guys. Husky Harris and Michael McGillicutty are both likely going to end up with the real names on Smackdown...and CLEARLY there is a plan for Dolph to be repackaged in some way and probably sent to Raw.

What WWE is probably doing is clearing some of the guys they feel they screwed up on out of the way of Wrestlemania so they can focus on the stories they want to push...and then introduce them again after Mania is over...maybe at the Draft.

I think that WWE probably realizes that some mistakes were made with Nexus and The Corre and that all that's really happening right now is that Punk and Barrett are trying to prop up failed angles. McIntyre would certainly be a botched attempt at building a new stars as well. Rebooting characters makes perfect sense to me.

[Pink Ranger]

Rebooting characters makes perfect sense to me.

Where's Chris Nolan when you need him? He's the only guy who can salvage Drew McIntyre at this point.

[the_ultimate_evil]

Where's Chris Nolan when you need him? He's the only guy who can salvage Drew McIntyre at this point.

not really, when the hell has the uber realism had a place in wwe

[Kaleb]

Hmm...also no sign or mentioning of Ziggler. I'm beginning to wonder if they both failed drug tests maybe? Otherwise, this is odd and tiresome. SD's roster is looking sad and this was probably the first time McIntyre had me interested in what he was doing. Even in the EC he had people cheering for him.

Storyline...I think.

wouldnt this be Drews 2nd test that he has failed, if it is indeed a failed drug test?

[chamber-music]

Has Wade Barrett won anything yet?

I don't recall him ever capturing a title

They need to come up with better personas for wrsetlers like McIntyre and Shemaus that don't rely on silly national sterotypes or gimmicks.

Could be worst I suppose though. Alteast they aren't the spirit squad how they actully salvaged Zigglers career after being in that lame outfit is a miracle. They were worst than the Mean Street Posse.

Then there is the Paul Burchill & Katie Lea Burchill incest thing which was just wrong. Plus they made Burchill a pirate.

[Kaleb]

Has Wade Barrett won anything yet?

I don't recall him ever capturing a title

nope not yet :doh:

[Heretic]

To my memory, Barrett has pretty much lost every match he's ever been in that has mattered at all. Nexus couldnt be taken seriously when their leader couldnt win, even with the help of 5 guys...and he was presented as an egotistical guy who bossed around the other members and threatened them, and beat on them if they didn't follow his commands...and now he is being presented as "we are all equals" in The Corre. He's a botched character that needs to be built up as a solo performer.

[Pink Ranger]

Could be worst I suppose though. Alteast they aren't the spirit squad how they actully salvaged Zigglers career after being in that lame outfit is a miracle. They were worst than the Mean Street Posse.

Then there is the Paul Burchill & Katie Lea Burchill incest thing which was just wrong. Plus they made Burchill a pirate.

Okay, here is where we differ. All three of those gimmicks, I liked.

The Spirit Squad should have been booked stronger, and the Borgia-style incest angle should have been run with. And pirates are always awesome.

[Darkness Falls]

i actually enjoyed triple h on raw :D

[chapin]

I'm also a little surprised by the homophobic stuff. I could perhaps understand it in the attitude era because they were trying to be edgey or whatever but isn't this supposed to be the family friendly wrestling era.

Am I missing something here? Did HHH said something about homosexuality on RAW's promo this past monday?

[Pink Ranger]

Am I missing something here? Did HHH said something about homosexuality on RAW's promo this past monday?

No, but he has a consistent track record of resorting to such insults when feuding with a less experienced wrestler.

[chamber-music]

I think those gimmicks are funny but they don't have legs and won't last in the long run. Its not like the Undertakers a gimmmick thats worked well for him for over twenty years.

I think Triple H should take Barrett under his wing off screen and teach him some stuff. I think he has potential but you can tell his still got stuff to learn.

I've got a question for you non-Euorpeans just out of curiosity can you understand the likes of Wade Barrett and William Regal with their accents?

[chamber-music]

Am I missing something here? Did HHH said something about homosexuality on RAW's promo this past monday?

I was referencing John Cena which is what some of the others posters were referencing to I believe

[Pink Ranger]

I've got a question for you non-Euorpeans just out of curiosity can you understand the likes of Wade Barrett and William Regal with their accents?

Yes, but I watch a lot of British TV and movies, so maybe I'm used to it.

[chamber-music]

I'm curious because Americans in general tend to struggle with regional British accents especially nothern English ones and with Barrett and Regal being from the North East of England I thought some folks across the pond may struggle to understand them because they don't talk like Hugh Grant or Colin Firth.

[Heretic]

Barrett and Regal I understand...Booker T and R Truth I often do not. Call me racist, but that's how it is for me.

[Project862006]

wwe should just turn sheamus babyface imo

have him tag with Horswoggle

money to be made!!!

New Tag Champs "The Lucky Charms"
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[Pink Ranger]

Barrett and Regal I understand...Booker T and R Truth I often do not. Call me racist, but that's how it is for me.

It's not racist. Nobody understands R-Truth. R-Truth doesn't understand R-Truth.

[Metallo]

He was most certainly a dick back in the day, the big difference between Hunter and HBK was that while Hunter would stab a wrestler in the back, Shawn did it upfront and to their face.

Michaels told Bret Hart he'd never do a job for him during that period so you've got a point. With HHH he's never been one to say it to another guy one on one. He always gets management to back his play.

Warrior and Michaels and guys like that may have been d**ks to do business with but at least they were man enough to be upfront about it. Thats why I believe Bret Hart when he says that years ago HHH was never one of the boys. He's not. Outside of his Kliq buddies anyway.



Come to think of it, you're right about Cena. He does go there often. Apparently PG-rating still allows for gay jokes.

The problem is that I, like most of the fans who post here, step away from the TV and play Warcraft or something whenever Cena starts to cut a promo.

For me a goofy Cena speech= bathroom break. I thankfully never have to hear his homosexual jokes.

It is odd that they still try to go for those kinds of jokes in the PG era...especialy with all the bullying issues in the news lately. You'd think Vince would fold faster than Superman on laundry day and stop any anti gay remarks. The only reason wrestling still goes for that kind of stuff is that its lowbrow entertainment that will go for the cheapest easiest joke. If they could get away with black jokes they'd still be trying. Gay jokes are one of the last things that society really hasn't cracked down on sadly.



I would have liked to see Brodus win with the prize for this season being a shot for the US or IC title, then have Kofi vs. Clay.

I've known about Curtis for awhile through FCW...I remember when he and Rex were tag champs and then Rex got the bigger push and eventually went on to win the FCW title. But this was also during a span where Curtis got injured. He's good though IMO. He's put on some pretty decent matches whether as face or heel and some of my favorites were against Rex and Riley for the title or against Kris Logan. Currently he reminds me of Orton a little bit, haha.

If Brodus Clay is good enough in the ring I think he'll be called up soon anyway. Theres a couple of guys that could use a big bodyguard like him. He has a really unique look thats needed in todays WWE. Its like they mixed together some One Man Gang, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Taz. But at the same time Vince seems so focused on that "Orton" model from the clone tanks Clay's look may work against him in todays age. 20 years ago Vince would have put him on tv imediatly.



Well I don't think Triple H did anything wrong. He said what needed to be said and what many fans are thinking. I think people are so use to seeing him or hearing the stories of him burying someone they tend to overlook when he is speaking the truth about certain things. You want to blame the current state on poor booking I think that isn't an excuses look at Triple H when he was being punished for that MSG incident he was buried wost than what you clam he did to others and he still rose to be a great person. Look at Benoit and Y2J and a few others who were booked poorly but they still made them look like great matches even the Rock and Cena were booked poorly early on and look at them now. Its not about how your booked its about how you handle the match or the storyline. These guys are poorly trained expect for a few and it shows which is why I agree with Triple H. The Divas use to be great now they are a joke, the tag titles use to mean something now it is a joke (hell you can say that with all the titles pretty much) now because only 5 people are allowed to hold the belt really (Orton, Triple H, Cena, Edge, and Taker) that's really all the people they will allow to hold the belt for a good run. So once again I say if the roster has a problem with it prove him wrong. If they feel they are being booked poorly than make the match look good even so. A good example is Bret Harts feud with the King that was poorly done but still looked great.

Maybe he needed to say it to himself because he's not helping the talent improve with that attitude. Like Heretic said that kind of talk is just him dumping on the future.

Triple H was always slotted in to be pushed, even after the MSG curtain call. His depush was temporary and he still went on to win the KOTR...just a year later. The point is when HE messed up they punished him for a short time but gave him another chance. Today guys get punished for things FAR less stupid than the curtain call and they never get another chance.

Jericho got were he did in spite of what WWE did to him years ago. He was one of the best workers in the company by the time he left. Yet he was still treated like a jobber to the stars and yes Triple H seemed to STILL get one up on Jericho.

A GREAT talent can rise to the top but guys are getting fewer opportunities to display that talent. And WWE has created an environment where its MUCH harder for todays generation to learn their craft.

When guys aren't even being out on TV how can they "prove" anyone wrong? When they get chewed out for deviating from the scripts or the plan how can they prove someone wrong?

Daniel Bryan has had some off THE best matches of the last year. He has tried to prove WWE wrong. Lately they seem not to give a crap. He got used as fodder for Miz Monday. Evne Miz himself has been working pretty hard and yet he's being presented as an fifth wheel in Rock vs Cena. Some of the younger talent IS trying...just seems like sometimes WWE isn't listening.

Just because someone is an amazing talent doesn't mean they will always get oportunites. WCW fired Steve Austin. Taker and HHH left WCW because they knew they were probably never going to get the oppurtunities they worked hard for no matter what happened. Guererro and Benoit left for the same reasons.

WWE's mindselt to younger talent has become more and more like WCW's in recent years. Who is head of WWE talent relations? The man who was working with talent and in creative in WCW while it was in its final death stage--John Laurinaitis.



This crap is starting to get out of hand on smackdown

Yeah I don't understand why they are doing the firing angle so much. Dolph Ziggler, Drew McIntyre, Vickie Guererro, Edge, Kelly Kelly--all "fired" in the last few weeks. Maybe they'll move Drew and Dolph over to Raw together.



True...the point is that Cena would not be allowed to make fun of him for being black. NO wrestler would be allowed to go out and say "R Truth and JTG are friends because they go eat chitlens and watermelon after the show".

But Cena IS allowed to say "Cody and Ted like to get oiled up back at the hotel together after the show" or whatever.

I think its because they know they can still get away with that kind of thing. Whereas making fun of Black people that badly would draw much more criticism. Theres still some stereotyping though. Cryme Tyme and to a lesser extent R Truth. They're black so they gotta steal and rap right, WWE? :whatever:

Now if Bill Watts was running WWF it might be a little worse than that :funny: Saba Simba in WWF was bad enough with a black guy literally throwing a spear but before that we had an African Savage coming out of Memphis of all places named Kamala, A black guy with a chain and dog collar around his neck named JYD (still don't see why some peope didn't wonder about that one), Dusty Rhodes and his sweet "Sapphire", and A certain Birdman who went from being known as "Sweet Brown Sugar" (WTF?) to "Koko." I think that one was another one from Memphis. Even in the 80's I thought most of those were pushing it. But it wasn't that long ago that wrestling was doing that kind of stereotyping of blacks. Didn't matter if it was Mid South or Memphis Wrestling or even WWF or WCW.

I guess Vince thought some of these things would fly over the kids heads. But Watts and Lawler did even worse and had to know how bad some of these things looked. I guess they blew it off as "good ole low brow" wrasslin though. The rumor was for years that s big reason Ron Simmons won the WCW title was because WCW were trying to calm the claims of Watts being a racist. Years later WCW wanting Col. Parker to debut Harlem Heat in chains didn't really help with that IMO.

Sorry, a little off topic there but I think you brought up an interesting disscussion when it comes to stereotyping and insensitivity in wrestling. Its always been around but in this day in age I would think they would want to be more careful about that kind of stuff. TNA was really offensive with how flamboyant Orlando Jordan was. Not all gay people act like that. Flamboyance in itself is not synonymous with being gay.

A friend of mine related a story about Roddy Piper and Adrian Adonis that made me laugh and for the 80's there was a pretty risque joke and even it wasn't as over the top as TNA's presentation of Jordan.



Has Wade Barrett won anything yet?

I don't recall him ever capturing a title

They need to come up with better personas for wrsetlers like McIntyre and Shemaus that don't rely on silly national sterotypes or gimmicks.

Could be worst I suppose though. Alteast they aren't the spirit squad how they actully salvaged Zigglers career after being in that lame outfit is a miracle. They were worst than the Mean Street Posse.

Then there is the Paul Burchill & Katie Lea Burchill incest thing which was just wrong. Plus they made Burchill a pirate.

Not only was Burchill a pirate but before that they had Regal dressed as his wench...which was...disturbing.

I don't understand why Vince keeps trying to push the incest angle. Even with his own daughter. What a weirdo. He can claim WWE is "better" than wrestling because its "sports entertainment" all he wants but it still looks like a guy born in a trailer park who still pushes trailer park humor. Nothing wrong with that kind of unsophisticated entertainment or living in a trailer park but he should just admit it instead of harping on how WWE is something more than that.

I though the Mean Street Posse was hilarious though.

[Heretic]

Well, for years I've been told about how charismatic and excellent on the mic R Truth is...and I can barely understand a word he says, which to em does NOT make one good on the mic...

[Pink Ranger]

For what it's worth, guys, I've encountered more homophobia on the Glee message boards than I ever(eeevaaar) have here. :up:

[Nightwing]

This past Monday night's edition of WWE Raw finished with a 3.81, which is down slightly from the previous week's 3.83 draw, but is continuing the recent trend of higher numbers for the show.

- wrestlezone

[chapin]

It's not racist. Nobody understands R-Truth. R-Truth doesn't understand R-Truth.

funny

[Metallo]

Well, for years I've been told about how charismatic and excellent on the mic R Truth is...and I can barely understand a word he says, which to em does NOT make one good on the mic...

I can understand Barrett, Sheamus, Finley, McIntyre and Regal just fine. I can understand Booker T just fine.

I have no clue what R Truth is saying half the time. I just want to get the dude this

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[chapin]

This past Monday night's edition of WWE Raw finished with a 3.81, which is down slightly from the previous week's 3.83 draw, but is continuing the recent trend of higher numbers for the show.

- wrestlezone

And next week Stone Cold will be the special guest so let's see if those numbers can go up just a little bit.
As far as I know there's no Rock appereance or promo "via satellite"

[Project862006]

Pwi
the wrestlemania undercard matches being discussed right now are:
-rey mysterio vs. Cody rhodes

-trish stratus & kelly kelly & someone (drew mcintyre?) vs. Laycool & dolph ziggler

-sheamus vs. Daniel bryan.

*there was talk of core vs. Big show & kane & kevin nash in a handicap match or corre vs. Show & kane & two others, which could be where kofi kingston, etc. Ends up.

*i've heard nothing on money in the bank. Nothing on john morrison or r truth's placement on the show, although you'd think they would have to have morrison on the show given his push of late.

*the two names i've heard discussed for the cole vs. Lawler match are vickie guerrero and steve austin. Given that cole is "picking the ref" perhaps they will do a deal where cole picks vickie or another heel and then austin nails a stunner and takes their spot.

*among the themes discussed for nxt season 5 is a father and son theme with legends as pros and their sons as rookies as well as a battle of the sexes theme with both men and female rookies competing against each other. The series is being maintained as they have international television clearances for it.

[The Sage]

Well I don't think Triple H did anything wrong. He said what needed to be said and what many fans are thinking. I think people are so use to seeing him or hearing the stories of him burying someone they tend to overlook when he is speaking the truth about certain things. You want to blame the current state on poor booking I think that isn't an excuses look at Triple H when he was being punished for that MSG incident he was buried wost than what you clam he did to others and he still rose to be a great person. Look at Benoit and Y2J and a few others who were booked poorly but they still made them look like great matches even the Rock and Cena were booked poorly early on and look at them now. Its not about how your booked its about how you handle the match or the storyline. These guys are poorly trained expect for a few and it shows which is why I agree with Triple H. The Divas use to be great now they are a joke, the tag titles use to mean something now it is a joke (hell you can say that with all the titles pretty much) now because only 5 people are allowed to hold the belt really (Orton, Triple H, Cena, Edge, and Taker) that's really all the people they will allow to hold the belt for a good run. So once again I say if the roster has a problem with it prove him wrong. If they feel they are being booked poorly than make the match look good even so. A good example is Bret Harts feud with the King that was poorly done but still looked great.

Triple H was always going to get pushed. He was the scapegoat for the MSG incident because there was no one else to punish, but it didn't last long, as a year later they made him King of the Ring, and they kept building him up. His talent was part of why it happened but the booking was definitely part of it. He stayed looking consistently strong. And when he became WWF champion, no one took him seriously at first. He never beat anyone clean. It was only when he faced Foley and was put over twice that he gained credibility.

Now take that and compare it to Sheamus. His first title win was off a fluke, with Cena slipping off the top rope. He never won a one on one match against a main-eventer in a clean or strong looking way while champion. When he was champion, he ran from Nexus when he's supposed to be a powerhouse. And he's been jobbing out for several months. It's like running up the escalator to rise to the top for him.

Jericho looked like a straight up chump the way he was booked leading into Wrestlemania 18. It did him no favors and he didn't really become a true main-event threat until his heel turn in 2008, when he was booked stronger and someone like HBK was willing to put him over. Edge didn't become the Rated R Superstar until the booking made him look strong and Cena put him over. CM Punk didn't get over and to the top until the booking made him look strong and Jeff Hardy put him over. Now Jericho, Edge, and CM Punk are at a point where they can lose a match, retain credibility, and get their heat back.

[Darkness Falls]

According to Dave Meltzer of F4WOnline.com, here's what WWE has planned for WrestleMania 27 as of this week's creative meetings. Keep in mind things are always changing.

Special Guest Host: The Rock

WWE Title Match
John Cena vs. The Miz

World Heavyweight Title Match
Alberto Del Rio vs. Edge

The Streak on the Line
Triple H vs. The Undertaker

CM Punk vs. Randy Orton

John Morrison, Kelly Kelly and Trish Stratus vs. Dolph Ziggler, Layla and Michelle McCool

Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel vs. Big Show, Kane, Kofi Kingston and Christian

Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes

Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole, Special Referee: Steve Austin
Cole's trainer Jack Swagger will be in his corner.

WWE United States Champion Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
Gail Kim will be in Bryan's corner while The Bellas will be with Sheamus.

* Another undetermined Divas match will also take place. There will be no Money in the Bank this year

[The Sage]

- The Rock posted the following message to John Cena, on his twitter….

"I should remind Cena I was NEVER scheduled to be on Raw last night. No problem - as promised, next time - LIVE - my boot to his ass. Yabba.."

- Rey Mysterio has been receiving cartilage injections in his knee. Rey told Brian Fritz of Fanhouse that the 8-12 shots he's gotten is probably what has held his knee up to this point. Rey will probably get a few more shots after WrestleMania.

- The latest talk about The Undertaker retiring is that he will do it after going 20-0 at WrestleMania 28 in 2012. Of course there is always talk about Taker retiring and most people feel that he will wrestle as long as he is physically able to.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- Devin sent the following: WWE returns to the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, North Carolina on June 4th, 2011 at 7:30 PM.

The WWE Smackdown taping on June 21st, 2011 will be held at the Giant Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

- NXT Rookie Derrick Bateman indicated on Twitter that he has a knee injury after last night's season 4 finale. He wrote: "Heading to Birmingham to get my knee scoped. "It ain't ballet.""

- WWE is expected to release several mid-card talents after WrestleMania 27 due to the recent low financial numbers.



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[Nightmare]

No MITB?! Whoa

[Kaleb]

According to Dave Meltzer of F4WOnline.com, here's what WWE has planned for WrestleMania 27 as of this week's creative meetings. Keep in mind things are always changing.

Special Guest Host: The Rock

WWE Title Match
John Cena vs. The Miz

World Heavyweight Title Match
Alberto Del Rio vs. Edge

The Streak on the Line
Triple H vs. The Undertaker

CM Punk vs. Randy Orton

John Morrison, Kelly Kelly and Trish Stratus vs. Dolph Ziggler, Layla and Michelle McCool

Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel vs. Big Show, Kane, Kofi Kingston and Christian

Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes

Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole, Special Referee: Steve Austin
Cole's trainer Jack Swagger will be in his corner.

WWE United States Champion Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
Gail Kim will be in Bryan's corner while The Bellas will be with Sheamus.

* Another undetermined Divas match will also take place. There will be no Money in the Bank this year

Jees thats a terrible card.:doh:

[Nightwing]

Morrison involved in yet another tag match this year...brilliant. And no MITB. I guess we'll be seeing the PPV return.

[Assassin]

For what it's worth, guys, I've encountered more homophobia on the Glee message boards than I ever(eeevaaar) have here. :up:

lol i always thought you were the only female poster in this thread :(

:oldrazz:

[The Sage]

Jees thats a terrible card.:doh:

There's nothing Wrestlemania worthy about it, is there? :csad:

[Kaleb]

Morrison involved in yet another tag match this year...brilliant. And no MITB. I guess we'll be seeing the PPV return.

lets make some minor adjustments to the card , I will start.

1.Cena vs Miz should be left alone, the Rocks presence has done enough damage to this so called fued.

2. Why the hell is Austin the ref for the Lawler vs Cole match, He should ref the Punk vs Orton Fued, and given Punks ''straight edge'' beliefs I think these two would mesh well together.Plus Punk has subtly provoked Austin in the past ( Raw 900 episode, and Im sure he did something a while before that too).


3. Ziggler needs to be added into the Edge vs Del Rio match

3. Sheamus vs Bryan is ok, but it needs Morrison, this match alone could steal the show.

[Nightwing]

lets make some minor adjustments to the card , I will start.

1.Cena vs Miz should be left alone, the Rocks presence has done enough damage to this so called fued.

2. Why the hell is Austin the ref for the Lawler vs Cole match, He should ref the Punk vs Orton Fued, and given Punks ''straight edge'' beliefs I think these two would mesh well together.Plus Punk has subtly provoked Austin in the past ( Raw 900 episode, and Im sure he did something a while before that too).


3. Ziggler needs to be added into the Edge vs Del Rio match

3. Sheamus vs Bryan is ok, but it needs Morrison, this match alone could steal the show.
I'd definitely rather have Morrison in the match against Sheamus and Bryan instead of pairing him up with Kelly/Trish.And I like the idea of Austin being the ref of Punk/Orton. The pic of a young Punk with Austin always comes to mind. :awesome:

[Nightwing]

- pwpix.net

- As noted before, the February 28th episode of WWE's Monday Night RAW scored a 3.82 rating with 5.6 million viewers. Male viewership was up 70% this week and The Rock's interview was the high point with every demographic.

In a segment breakdown, the show opened at a 3.78 rating with Triple H's promo and attack on Sheamus. Evan Bourne's return vs. Sheamus lost 187,000 viewers while the segment with Jerry Lawler, Michael Cole and Jack Swagger gained 386,000 viewers back. This segment did well for that usual time in the show and ended up being the second-most watched segment this week with a 3.93 rating.

Randy Orton vs. Michael McGillicutty lost 95,000 viewers but the segment with Alex Riley, The Miz and John Cena coming out gained 67,000 back. There's been a trend in ratings where The Miz is put on a part of the show that usually draws but it's not drawing with him featured.

The Divas Battle Royal lost 308,000 viewers but The Rock's promo gained 482,000 back, to a 4.03 rating, in a segment of the show that usually loses viewers. The interview with Shawn Michaels and The Miz attacking Daniel Bryan lost 389,000 viewers. The Cena vs. Riley cage match gained 167,000 viewers in the overrun, ending at a 3.86. This is low for RAW's usual overrun.

- Sin Cara was scheduled to train in Los Angeles with WWE developmental star Alex Koslov, known as Peter Orlov since Koslov has experience at working the Lucha Libre style and WWE's American style of wrestling. Koslov will also be used as a stand-in and "opponent" when they film Cara in the ring doing high-flying moves for his entrance video and other introductory promos, since WWE has no footage of him.

[Dr. Evil]

According to Dave Meltzer of F4WOnline.com, here's what WWE has planned for WrestleMania 27 as of this week's creative meetings. Keep in mind things are always changing.

Special Guest Host: The Rock

WWE Title Match
John Cena vs. The Miz

World Heavyweight Title Match
Alberto Del Rio vs. Edge

The Streak on the Line
Triple H vs. The Undertaker

CM Punk vs. Randy Orton

John Morrison, Kelly Kelly and Trish Stratus vs. Dolph Ziggler, Layla and Michelle McCool

Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel vs. Big Show, Kane, Kofi Kingston and Christian

Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes

Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole, Special Referee: Steve Austin
Cole's trainer Jack Swagger will be in his corner.

WWE United States Champion Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
Gail Kim will be in Bryan's corner while The Bellas will be with Sheamus.

* Another undetermined Divas match will also take place. There will be no Money in the Bank this year

That's an awesome card for Backlash. I am hoping that's the actual card for Backlash.

[venom892]

That's terrible even for Backlash.

[Kaleb]

Looks like we are approaching the end of this thread

[Dr. Evil]

That's terrible even for Backlash.

Eh. Backlash is a lesser PPV event, so the expectations are very low there. That's why I think that makes a good Backlash card.

[Marx]

- The latest talk about The Undertaker retiring is that he will do it after going 20-0 at WrestleMania 28 in 2012. Of course there is always talk about Taker retiring and most people feel that he will wrestle as long as he is physically able to.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

That's pretty much what I thought.

[venom892]

That's wrong in my opinion though.Taker has always said he'd give back and I don't think retiring with the streak would help anyone.

[Marx]

Taker has given back quite alot. He has also offered to end the streak on more than one occasion and VINCE denied it.

[Project862006]

Cena vs Taker Next year bank on that

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