You're a Jive Soul Bro, a Jive Soul Bro, Always Lying To Your Wrestling Thread

[Thread Manager]

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[NDX]

Gerweck.net

- PWInsider.com is reporting that Chris Jericho will be competing on the 12th season of Dancing With The Stars which starts in March. The cast for the season will be officially announced on 2/28.

Edit: 1001 posts? Threadbot's slackin'.

[bullets]

Tyson should be in MITB... too bad he hasn't really been used as of late :csad:


I'm starting to get worried at this point..

[The Sage]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that while the verbal exchanges between The Rock and John Cena are expected to continue in the weeks leading up to WrestleMania, there are currently no plans to have them wrestle a match against each other at the big PPV. While the door remains open for them to have a match together some time down the line, possibly at WrestleMania next year, the plan as of now is to have The Rock involve himself physically at WrestleMania without actually wrestling a match.

So the dream match will continue to get teased and Miz will continue to look out of place...

[Darkness Falls]

i kinda liked the taker/triple h promo

[NDX]

Miz is going to try and squeeze himself between Rock and Cena was will get crushed like a bug.

[Darkness Falls]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that while the verbal exchanges between The Rock and John Cena are expected to continue in the weeks leading up to WrestleMania, there are currently no plans to have them wrestle a match against each other at the big PPV. While the door remains open for them to have a match together some time down the line, possibly at WrestleMania next year, the plan as of now is to have The Rock involve himself physically at WrestleMania without actually wrestling a match.

So the dream match will continue to get teased and Miz will continue to look out of place...

why do i get the feeling it'll be something like wm14

[The Sage]

-- TNA Wrestling officials were understanding of the travel issues that prevented Generation Me from making their scheduled appearance at last week's Against All Odds pay-per-view. However, they were not pleased with the duo relaying their predicament on Twitter. Management feel Max and Jeremy should have allowed them to come up with a replacement plan and announce it at once rather than sharing details of their travel problems online.

The next day, Max took a shot at Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson while watching his WWE return, writing on Twitter: "The Rock would not pass a wellness policy test." The comment was later deleted.

-- Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's return to WWE garnered a rave review from Tommy Dreamer. He wrote yesterday on Twitter: "I just saw the Rock's return & the 2/21/11 video. AMAZING. If anyone wants 2 know why wrestling is the best. Watch that. Gave me goosebumps!"

-- Angelina Love is auctioning off a wrestling outfit worn at Genesis 2007 and on episodes of iMPACT!. To view the auction, click here.

-- TNA Knockouts Traci Brooks and SoCal Val, as well as former Knockout Chelsea, are advertised for Mega Con, which takes place March 25-27 in Orlando, Florida. Visit megaconvention.com for more details.

-- TNA Knockout Tara put over Trish Stratus' return to WWE on Sunday, writing on Twitter: "I wish I could have watch my girl @trishstratuscom tonight. I'm sure she stole the show."

Stratus wrote in response, "Well... It was no Chicago street fight- now that was stealing the show!"

-- "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero has heat with wrestlers in the locker room because they feel he's not making an effort be an effective heel. They think he tries to portray himself as a babyface or "cool heel" in his promos.

source: Pro Wrestling Torch

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/300413315.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/300418552.php

[Hunter Rider]

Glad to see the resident spot monkey on the card the got the "best" spot, again. :rolleyes:

Morrison can do things no one else can, it's no different to Miz using his mouth to be where he is, and again the thing about Morrison in the EC is his selling, it was up there with Randy Savage at WM8 for giving off the impression of a wounded guy fighting from underneath to try and get a win.

[Colossal Spoons]

-- "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero has heat with wrestlers in the locker room because they feel he's not making an effort be an effective heel. They think he tries to portray himself as a babyface or "cool heel" in his promos.

Why do writers not get that some people can't pull of switching from face to heel and back? Whether it be lack of acting ability or the person's personality is too strong in one direction. Carlito as a face was a perfect example. Felt forced and just didn't work. Let Pope be Pope dammit.

[NDX]

Morrison can do things no one else can, it's no different to Miz using his mouth to be where he is, and again the thing about Morrison in the EC is his selling, it was up there with Randy Savage at WM8 for giving off the impression of a wounded guy fighting from underneath to try and get a win.
Spot monkey with moderate skill. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Spot monkey with moderate skill. :o

Nah he's not Davey Richards. ;)

[NDX]

Nah he's not Davey Richards. ;)
So true, he has a long way to go to get that good.

[Kaleb]

So its basically set in stone that Del Rio is going to win at WM but can anyone really see Edge (a face) tapping out? if so would that be a first at WM for a face to tap out in the main event?

[Hunter Rider]

So true, he has a long way to go to get that good.

He's much better than him already, Richards is the cheeto delight choice, a poor mans Benoit who's got a little man complex and thinks "real wretling" is kicking out of a dozen head drops.

So its basically set in stone that Del Rio is going to win at WM but can anyone really see Edge (a face) tapping out? if so would that be a first at WM for a face to tap out in the main event?

HBK tapped out to Cena at Mania 23.

[Kaleb]

HBK tapped out to Cena at Mania 23.

ah true, but a heel forcing a face to submit?

[NDX]

He's much better than him already, Richards is the cheeto delight choice, a poor mans Benoit who's got a little man complex and thinks "real wretling" is kicking out of a dozen head drops.
Because it is. And I've told you already, it's ****ing Doritos!

[Hunter Rider]

ah true, but a heel forcing a face to submit?nman

No that has never happened to my knowledge.

Because it is. And I've told you already, it's ****ing Doritos!

You just finished off Bobby Heenan. :csad:

[BlackLantern]

cheeto delight??

[Kaleb]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgjio42qMk1qagmleo1_250.gif


So just like that Gabriel and Slater have now now tied MNM for the most WWE Tag Team Title reigns.

[NDX]

cheeto delight??
Sound like an indy finisher, right?

[BlackLantern]

Sound like an indy finisher, right?

or a college band

[Project862006]

how is Morrison a spot monkey

then aj styles is a spot monkey i guess

Morrison just does'nt do random flips

[NDX]

how i morrison a spot monkey

then aj styles is a spot monkey i guessHe is. The biggest one. :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

Morrison can be, but he's also a much better wrestler than most "spot monkeys"

[NDX]

or a college band
That's a horrid thought.

[Slushy]

So its basically set in stone that Del Rio is going to win at WM but can anyone really see Edge (a face) tapping out?


I like Del Rio, but Edge needs to retain to finally have his Wrestlemania (main event) moment while Cena gets another WWE Championship win.

[BlackLantern]

I like Del Rio, but Edge needs to retain to finally have his Wrestlemania (main event) moment while Cena gets another WWE Championship win.

since when did folks start getting all about people having "their Wrestlemania moment"

it was bad enough or tragically funny when HR was all about Jeff Hardy getting his, now it's become this big debate over who deserves that "moment"

[Wylie Times]

how is Morrison a spot monkey

then aj styles is a spot monkey i guess

Morrison just does'nt do random flips

The term "Spot Monkey" get thrown around a lot. I'd hardly call Morrison a spot monkey but whenever someone has a bunch of well received spots in WWE that's the label they get hit with.

Rey Mysterio
Jeff Hardy
Shelton Benjamin
Paul London
Brian Kendrick
John Morrison
Evan Bourne

have all been called spot monkey's at some point or another despite them all having shown a numerous points to be good to great worker. Calling someone a "spot Monkey" is right up there with the "He's only got 5 moves" criticism.

[BlackLantern]

agreed Wylie....man im agreeing with Wylie and HR in the same week

it's getting weird

[Wylie Times]

I like Del Rio, but Edge needs to retain to finally have his Wrestlemania (main event) moment while Cena gets another WWE Championship win.

Edge has had plenty of Wrestlemania moments. As evidenced by how many times he shows up in Wrestlemania promos.

[the_ultimate_evil]

as opposed to....? I'm still baffled how so many people convinced themselves that Sting was going to show up

anything at all. after the second promo i knew it wasn't sting so i gave up any hope of that

but to have two of top stars return and do nothing but stare at each other, was just pathetic it was like something you'd see in primary school from two kids who don't want to fight

[Darkness Falls]

I like Del Rio, but Edge needs to retain to finally have his Wrestlemania (main event) moment while Cena gets another WWE Championship win.

winning the first ever money in the bank
spearing jeff from the top of the ladder at wm17
his amazing match with taker at wm24

pretty sure he already has his wm moment covered :word:

[Kaleb]

the whole ''wrestlemania moment'' thing died long ago, last person who truely had a wm moment was ''he who shall not be named''

[Hunter Rider]

since when did folks start getting all about people having "their Wrestlemania moment"

it was bad enough or tragically funny when HR was all about Jeff Hardy getting his, now it's become this big debate over who deserves that "moment"

It wasn't about Jeff getting a Mania moment so much as it was about there being a Mania moment at all....As for where it came from? did you miss the last 15 years of Mania promos and build up? never read a wrestler's book or a Jim Ross article on the event?...This isn't one of your little indie gym worker digs, this is the very fabric your beloved corporation and it's employees from Rock to HBK to Jericho have been selling as what makes Mania special for the past 15 years.

There's a reason everyone remembers Hogan slamming Andre and HBK descending from the ceiling...and nobody remembers hardly any of Triple H's specific title wins.

[Darkness Falls]

There's a reason everyone remembers Hogan slamming Andre and HBK descending from the ceiling...and nobody remembers hardly any of Triple H's specific title wins.

8DYje57V_BY :woot:

[The Sage]

the whole ''wrestlemania moment'' thing died long ago, last person who truely had a wm moment was ''he who shall not be named''

Last person to get a Wrestlemania moment was HBK in his retirement last year. I'd say the part where HBK told Taker to tombstone him and end his career was the moment.

[The Sage]

Cena's response to the Rock :D

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[Project862006]

edge spearing mick through flaming table was also a good wm moment

[Kaleb]

Last person to get a Wrestlemania moment was HBK in his retirement last year. I'd say the part where HBK told Taker to tombstone him and end his career was the moment.

for me that was more than just a mania moment.

oYkPFXmnjM4

[Metallo]

The term "Spot Monkey" get thrown around a lot. I'd hardly call Morrison a spot monkey but whenever someone has a bunch of well received spots in WWE that's the label they get hit with.

Rey Mysterio
Jeff Hardy
Shelton Benjamin
Paul London
Brian Kendrick
John Morrison
Evan Bourne

have all been called spot monkey's at some point or another despite them all having shown a numerous points to be good to great worker. Calling someone a "spot Monkey" is right up there with the "He's only got 5 moves" criticism.


All those guys can work a little. Teddy Hart is my definition of a guy who is a total spot monkey. Theres no rhyme or reason to some of the stuff he does and he can be beaten half to death and then no sell it and then do a ridiculous spot.


Edge has had plenty of Wrestlemania moments. As evidenced by how many times he shows up in Wrestlemania promos.

i think he meant main event moments. There really aren't many i can think of. The Cena/Edge/Big show story and match were meh. Cena got the "moment" in that match. Edge got a bit of a moment when he speared Jericho at Mania. Then of course there was the Take rmatch. But theres not much for him that stands out the way a lot of top guys have. Michaels, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Taker. Those guys have more "moments" than Edge in the Main event.




It wasn't about Jeff getting a Mania moment so much as it was about there being a Mania moment at all....As for where it came from? did you miss the last 15 years of Mania promos and build up? never read a wrestler's book or a Jim Ross article on the event?...This isn't one of your little indie gym worker digs, this is the very fabric your beloved corporation and it's employees from Rock to HBK to Jericho have been selling as what makes Mania special for the past 15 years.

There's a reason everyone remembers Hogan slamming Andre and HBK descending from the ceiling...and nobody remembers hardly any of Triple H's specific title wins.


Its odd that HHH hardly ever creates the "moments" in his Mania title matches. I can't really think of any right no that were all him.

[Darkness Falls]

with miz in the middle of the rock/cena storyline
all i can think of is that sesame street song "one of these things is not like the others"

[Kaleb]

Its odd that HHH hardly ever creates the "moments" in his Mania title matches. I can't really think of any right no that were all him.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55491/1409407-wrestlemania_12___ultimate_warrior__super.jpg

[Nightmare]

i kinda liked the taker/triple h silent promo

Fixed. :cwink:

[louiebling$]

So ill be at SD tonight... it will be my 1st time seeing Takers entrance in Person :woot:

[Kaleb]

Is it confirmed that he is showing up?

[Dr. Evil]

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[Wylie Times]

I think he meant main event moments. There really aren't many i can think of. The Cena/Edge/Big show story and match were meh. Cena got the "moment" in that match. Edge got a bit of a moment when he speared Jericho at Mania. Then of course there was the Take rmatch. But theres not much for him that stands out the way a lot of top guys have. Michaels, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Taker. Those guys have more "moments" than Edge in the Main event.

Well, Edge isn't on the same level as those guys, few talents are. The moments he has are fine and much more than other guys ever got. He's had more wrestlemania moments than the rest of the TLC crew.

[Darkness Falls]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55491/1409407-wrestlemania_12___ultimate_warrior__super.jpg

:awesome:

[NDX]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55491/1409407-wrestlemania_12___ultimate_warrior__super.jpg
Every time I see this I keep thinking that's a bootleg Warrior. I can't help it, it just doesn't look like him there.

[Mr.Webs]

That was easily Cena's best promo in a very long time. If he reverted back to a more friendly version of the Thuganomics persona he had when he first started out, I don't see how that wouldn't work for Vince. An engaging character for both the adults and kids, win/win.

[Kaleb]

"The Rock lied,he's never been to the wrestling thread"

[Specter313]

Jericho is on Attack of the Show right now if anyone is interested.

[Hunter Rider]

for me that was more than just a mania moment.

oYkPFXmnjM4

What is the song in that video?

Its odd that HHH hardly ever creates the "moments" in his Mania title matches. I can't really think of any right no that were all him.

Yeah when you think of Triple H and Mania moments it was really him being in the ring with the guy having the moment as opposed to it being his moment.

Every time I see this I keep thinking that's a bootleg Warrior. I can't help it, it just doesn't look like him there.

Clearly Vince had not gotten him back on a steady diet of roids at that point.

[Darkness Falls]

What is the song in that video?
.

running up that hill - placebo

[NDX]

tdNMj1fS2dw

[Project862006]

according to PWInsider former ROH wrestler Matt Cross is apart of Tough Enough

also it is more of a reality tv show than a shoot like the original

[NDX]

M-Dogg 20? Oh, I am so sad about that right now.

[Hunter Rider]

VIDEO: HHH Takes Shot at The Miz, Speaks on His Home Life (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/video-hhh-takes-shot-at-the-miz-speaks-on-his-home-life-124457?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Wrestlezonecom+%28WRESTLEZONE %29)

running up that hill - placebo
Thanks man. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

The following is from TNAWrestling.com:

PREVIEW: THURSDAY'S iMPACT BROADCAST ON SPIKE - DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS FOR THE SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!

Don't forget to watch Total Nonstop Action Wrestling every Thursday night starting at 9/8c with iMPACT! If you can't watch it Thursdays, make sure to set your DVRs to record it!

THIS THURSDAY, DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS OF IMPACT FOR THE MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!!

[Dr. Evil]

The following is from TNAWrestling.com:

PREVIEW: THURSDAY'S iMPACT BROADCAST ON SPIKE - DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS FOR THE SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!

Don't forget to watch Total Nonstop Action Wrestling every Thursday night starting at 9/8c with iMPACT! If you can't watch it Thursdays, make sure to set your DVRs to record it!

THIS THURSDAY, DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS OF IMPACT FOR THE MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!!

Brutus Beefcake in TNA? Hogan returns?

[Darkness Falls]

The following is from TNAWrestling.com:

PREVIEW: THURSDAY'S iMPACT BROADCAST ON SPIKE - DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS FOR THE SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!

Don't forget to watch Total Nonstop Action Wrestling every Thursday night starting at 9/8c with iMPACT! If you can't watch it Thursdays, make sure to set your DVRs to record it!

THIS THURSDAY, DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS OF IMPACT FOR THE MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!!

:wow:
:o
:dry:
:doh:

[Eric Draven]

The following is from TNAWrestling.com:

PREVIEW: THURSDAY'S iMPACT BROADCAST ON SPIKE - DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS FOR THE SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!

Don't forget to watch Total Nonstop Action Wrestling every Thursday night starting at 9/8c with iMPACT! If you can't watch it Thursdays, make sure to set your DVRs to record it!

THIS THURSDAY, DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS OF IMPACT FOR THE MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!!

Does this mean we're gonna see They 3.0? :huh:

[Mister J]

This is the greatest title that any wrestling thread in the history of Al Gore's internet has ever bore.

[Eric Draven]

Oh wait, I know what the big surprise for TNA is. It's that they signed the true game-changer for the company:






Shad Gaspard :eek:

[louiebling$]

Is it confirmed that he is showing up?
My local radio station keep promoting his return to SD

[Dr. Evil]

In all seriousness, I think the major TNA announcement is the return of Sting.

[NDX]

The following is from TNAWrestling.com:

PREVIEW: THURSDAY'S iMPACT BROADCAST ON SPIKE - DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS FOR THE SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR!

Don't forget to watch Total Nonstop Action Wrestling every Thursday night starting at 9/8c with iMPACT! If you can't watch it Thursdays, make sure to set your DVRs to record it!

THIS THURSDAY, DON'T MISS THE FINAL MOMENTS OF IMPACT FOR THE MOST SHOCKING SURPRISE OF THE YEAR - GUARANTEED!!!
I will make sure to forget this was posted in 3... 2...

In all seriousness, I think the major TNA announcement is the return of Sting.

If so, I hope they only finalized the deal today, for if they had this before last Thursday, the should have shot an angle anywhere and played the video at the end of the show to punk WWE's 2.21.11, just for the people who did think it was Sting.

[Darkness Falls]

tdNMj1fS2dw

:bow:

[Hunter Rider]

@ the responses to the TNA announcement. :lmao:

It better not be Sting, there really is no point in him going back to TNA.

[Eric Draven]

@ the responses to the TNA announcement. :lmao:

It better not be Sting, there really is no point in him going back to TNA.

I'd be more excited if it were the return of Hoytmania to the Impact Zone.

[Darkness Falls]

i love that they imply impact is must see television :D

[Wylie Times]

Just picked up Jericho's new book a little while ago. Still reading through it but just popped in to say HHH is an *******.

[The Sage]

-- The National Wrestling Alliance announced this evening that they have come to terms with legendary pro wrestling manager Percy Pringle III (a/k/a Paul Bearer) to appear on its Los Angeles area television program NWA Championship Wrestling from Hollywood.

He will be on hand for their March 6th taping at the Showcase Theatre in Los Angeles. Visit www.NWAHollywood.com for more information.

-- Former WCW star Super Calo turns 40 years old today while Evan Bourne's younger brother, Mike Sydal, turns 27.

-- Former WWE Diva Jillian Hall announced this evening on Twitter that she's pregnant.

"it's time to announce what I have been asked repeatedly lately... Yes, I am prenant!! @endofthesunMike and I are very happy!!!" she wrote. "that would be pregnant not prenant! lol."

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/300430958.php

[NDX]

Evan's YOUNGER brother? Hell, I thought Evan was 12.

[Pink Ranger]

I approve of the title of this thread. :up:

[Project862006]

Just picked up Jericho's new book a little while ago. Still reading through it but just popped in to say HHH is an *******.

go on please:o

[bullets]

Hogan returns?



Hogan is already advertised on their website to return March 3rd. It's most likely Sting but that doesn't seem shocking to me.

[Wylie Times]

go on please:o

Jericho talking about HHH:

When I first came to the WWE, he gave me his phone number and said, “If you ever need anything, give me a call.” A few days later in San Jose, I didn’t know how to get to the venue, so I took him up on his offer.

“Hey man, it’s Jericho here. Do you know how to get to
the arena?”

“Yeah, I know. Get a map.”

I heard the laughter of his DX cronies in the background as he hung up.

[venom892]

Yea sounds like HHH.

[bullets]

It's probably an old school mentality to rib or be a dick to the new guys. I had no idea Jericho had such a tough first year though..

[Nightmare]

wow, lol

[Wylie Times]

It's probably an old school mentality to rib or be a dick to the new guys. I had no idea Jericho had such a tough first year though..

I'm only 8 chapters in but Jericho didn't have nearly as much trouble with anybody else. He did things (unknowingly) that annoyed some guys but Hunter seemed to be out to get him.

Jericho was quite complimentary to Rock and Bob Holly of all people.

Vince sounds ****ing insane though.

[Ghostvirus]

It was really cool seeing the Rock again. I haven't really watched wrestling in about 6 years. But I saw the title of the this thread. I thought I would check out Raw.

The only downside to having the Rock on, is that he is soooo much better on the Mic than anyone of the wrestler of the last 5-7 years that is doesn't make them look good.

Especially Cena. I noticed Cena & Rock weren't in the same ring together yet. But I suspect that the Rock is going to obliterate him on the mic when that happens.

[bullets]

I'm only 8 chapters in but Jericho didn't have nearly as much trouble with anybody else. He did things (unknowingly) that annoyed some guys but Hunter seemed to be out to get him.

Jericho was quite complimentary to Rock and Bob Holly of all people.

Vince sounds ****ing insane though.


I wonder how far that goes. Triple H never really seemed complimentary of Jericho. I just thought they got off on the wrong foot.

[Metallo]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55491/1409407-wrestlemania_12___ultimate_warrior__super.jpg

:funny: Not a main event title match but certainly a moment. Thats like Benoit's title win in that someone else had a moment at HHH's expense.

HHH's has been so obsessed with being in the title scene at Mania yet its funny that many times his matches totally get upstaged by someone elses match. The HUGE pre Rumble return in 02 and yet byt he time he went on at Mania a couple of matches had stolen his thunder.



Well, Edge isn't on the same level as those guys, few talents are. The moments he has are fine and much more than other guys ever got. He's had more wrestlemania moments than the rest of the TLC crew.

Neither were Benoit and Eddie but they both got to have their moments in main event world title matches at mania. Heck I'd argue that Edge has been on a higher level than those guys as far as longevity as a top heel in the company.

Benoit was never going to be a long term fixture in the main event but his "moment" was more memorable than most of Edges involving the world titles. Most of Edge's wrestlemania moments came in matches lower on the card like with Foley, TLC, etc.



Every time I see this I keep thinking that's a bootleg Warrior. I can't help it, it just doesn't look like him there.

Its probably the hair. his hair was more blond when he came back in 96. Plus I think his build was a little different. Really made him look a bit different. At least he wasn't wearing that airbrushed singlet.




running up that hill - placebo

I think the changed the song for that video when they put it on the best of Raw 2010 dvd set. the new song was ok but I loved the way the original song worked in the video. Annoyed me a little bit that they took it out.

[Project862006]

i heard jericho and vince had a bad relationship for awhile but grew to like each other

PWI talked about a story when Vince and a few other felt he was'nt delivering as the champ in 01 and he went to Vince and basically said "i earned this ****ing title so take the damn belt off me then if you feel this way" .

and apparently Vince loves when guys do that it shows they got some balls on them to speak up

[Metallo]

I got the Big Show and Kane dvd's today. I watched the Big Show documentary and its very informative. I enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch the matches.

The kayfabed "documentary" portions on the Kane dvd are mixed in with the matches sort of like the Tombstone dvd. I really don't like the all cardboard packaging of the Kane dvd though. I really hate when they pack dvds like that.



Jericho talking about HHH:


Sounds like one of HHH's smarta** remarks. Kind of like his response to the the question of what if the roles had been reversed during the Screwjob and Bret had done it to them.

[Mr.Webs]

i heard jericho and vince had a bad relationship for awhile but grew to like each other

PWI talked about a story when Vince and a few other felt he was'nt delivering as the champ in 01 and he went to Vince and basically said "i earned this ****ing title so take the damn belt off me then if you feel this way" .

and apparently Vince loves when guys do that it shows they got some balls on them to speak up Well, from what I remember, Jericho did the best he could considering Vince booked him like ****, as just another pawn in another McMahon angle.

[louiebling$]

Percy Watson Pins Chavo in tonights dark match.... Crowd was behind Watson.. had a good reaction.

[Project862006]

Well, from what I remember, Jericho did the best he could considering Vince booked him like ****, as just another pawn in another McMahon angle.
funny thing is alot of it was jericho's idea he said he wanted to be kind of a pussy whipped wwe champ with steph making all the decisions but his idea was for him to have an affair with steph behind hhh's back

but Vince was agaisnt it

and how jericho put it

"i was the pussy whipped champ without the pussy":awesome:

[Mr.Webs]

Awesome. I though Watson was hilarious. A little green, but had great promise.

funny thing is alot of it was jericho's idea he said he wanted to be kind of a pussy whipped wwe champ with steph making all the decisions but his idea was for him to have an affair with steph behind hhh's back

but Vince was agaisnt it

and how jericho put it

"i was the pussy whipped champ without the pussy"

Figures. That would have added a little fun dynamic to the whole thing, instead of being the **** it was.

[bullets]

funny thing is alot of it was jericho's idea he said he wanted to be kind of a pussy whipped wwe champ with steph making all the decisions but his idea was for him to have an affair with steph behind hhh's back

but Vince was against it

and how jericho put it

"i was the pussy whipped champ without the pussy":awesome:

That angle would of been so much better. I heard Jericho mention this in an interview , he said , "everyone could of related because we all have a buddy that meets a girl and then just disappears"....... so true.

Also the same Vince that was willing to do an incest angle....I think Triple H fought this one.

[louiebling$]

Yea watson was solid in the ring and worked the crowd pretty well because they were cheering for chavo at 1st

[NDX]

Percy Watson Pins Chavo in tonights dark match.... Crowd was behind Watson.. had a good reaction.
Aww right, Eddie Murphy's coming to SD!

[Project862006]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5xarn9MLf1qahj9y.gif

[BlackLantern]

everyone acknowledges that Vince is bat**** crazy...and that he listens to the wrong people

[louiebling$]

They are showing a replay of cenas rock promo and He is getting some huge heat here in sac haha lol

[Wylie Times]

Yea watson was solid in the ring and worked the crowd pretty well because they were cheering for chavo at 1st

Fans always were always behind Watson. Not sure why he wasn't used more after his NXT season as he was as green as the other guys that season.

[Wylie Times]

They are showing a replay of cenas rock promo and He is getting some huge heat here in sac haha lol

They still mad about him dissing the Kings huh? :csad:

[louiebling$]

They still mad about him dissing the Kings huh? :csad:
We don't forget :argh:

[The Sage]

- Bill DeMott will be working on Tough Enough as a trainer. DeMott, also known as Hugh Morris, was a trainer for Deep South while it was a developmental territory for WWE.

Credit: PWInsider

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/175379/WWE-Tough-Enough-To-Have-Another-Former-WWE-Star.htm

[BlackLantern]

Bill DeMott will break someone....and I shall watch

[NDX]

Fans always were always behind Watson. Not sure why he wasn't used more after his NXT season as he was as green as the other guys that season.

He needed some more work in the ring. He wasn't showing much, if any, progression during his time on NXT, so sending him back down was a good idea. He can start with a clean slate on SD, too.

[Pink Ranger]

Bill DeMott will break someone....and I shall watch

The mental breakdowns are always better than the physical ones though. Finlay would have been awesome at that.

[NDX]

The mental breakdowns are always better than the physical ones though. Finlay would have been awesome at that.

I don't think DeMott will be a slouch in that department, either.

[BlackLantern]

The mental breakdowns are always better than the physical ones though. Finlay would have been awesome at that.

take what you get...DeMott will break someone

[BlackLantern]

does no one remember what DeMott did to Matt Cappatelli??

[Wylie Times]

does no one remember what DeMott did to Matt Cappatelli??

Demott didn't do that. That was Bob Holly who beat the **** out of him.

[BlackLantern]

?? o yea....sorry....maybe Bob Holly should be a trainer

[Dr. Evil]

They still mad about him dissing the Kings huh? :csad:

8G8u1ErQTO0

They are close to leaving anyways.

[NDX]

does no one remember what DeMott did to Matt Cappatelli??
That was Bob Holly, and that was awesome. Gave me more respect for him for sticking through that.

[BlackLantern]

it's the a-hole in me...I want to see if they air the tryouts to pick the contestants....I love seeing the hardcore fans who show up, thinking they can do it and are failures

and the first full day of training....there should be puking....lots of it

[Wylie Times]

?? o yea....sorry....maybe Bob Holly should be a trainer

Yeah, I think Demott was actually the guy who sort of consoled Matt but at the same time told him he better expect things like that to happen in the ring. Some guys work stiff and Holly was one of those guys. Funny thing is from reading Jericho's book and hearing interviews from other guys Matt should have just hit Holly right back and he would have earned his respect.

[BlackLantern]

but he just cried, cried like a *****

[NDX]

it's the a-hole in me...I want to see if they air the tryouts to pick the contestants....I love seeing the hardcore fans who show up, thinking they can do it and are failures

and the first full day of training....there should be puking....lots of it
I remember from a season JR asked an overweight dude to do a nip up, and all he did was flop around on the floor. Friggin' hilarious, even though I know I'd be doing the same thing.

I think a show they did on MTV about wrestling followed someone who was training who vomited several times from training.

[louiebling$]

Mr Dashing was fantastic :awesome:

[Hunter Rider]

Are you posting from the show louie?

[louiebling$]

Sure am :applaud

[louiebling$]

Dark Match

5 on 2 tag Match
The Corre and Del Rio vs Edge and Big Show

[NDX]

Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show vs Zeke, Show...

[Hunter Rider]

Sure am :applaud

Awesome! :D So what was the ME?

[louiebling$]

Awesome! :D So what was the ME?
Its a juicy one
Mixed Tag Edge and Kelly Kelly vs Drew and Vicki
Stipulation: if vicki and drew lose she is fired

[Hunter Rider]

Its a juicy one
Mixed Tag Edge and Kelly Kelly vs Drew and Vicki
Stipulation: if vicki and drew lose she is fired

Not bad at all!

What was the outcome?

[louiebling$]

Not bad at all!

What was the outcome?
Vicki Fired

[louiebling$]

OMG OMG OMG I juust met Kelly Kelly!!!!!:atp:

[Hunter Rider]

Vicki Fired

:wow: I guess Vickie and Dolph are moving to Raw.

[Hunter Rider]

OMG OMG OMG I juust met Kelly Kelly!!!!!:atp:

As in she spoke to you and got close enough for you to get a whiff?

[louiebling$]

As in she spoke to you and got close enough for you to get a whiff?
Yes face to face... I took a pic of my friends with her

She smells GREAT!!!

[Hunter Rider]

Yes face to face... I took a pic of my friends with her

She smells GREAT!!!

Good to know! :D

[Hunter Rider]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9886/be5xl1.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/be5xl1.jpg/)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9017/142a7wm.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/142a7wm.jpg/)

[Hotwire]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9886/be5xl1.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/be5xl1.jpg/)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9017/142a7wm.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/142a7wm.jpg/)

Love me some Mickie James!

[NDX]

She smells GREAT!!!
As I expected.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9886/be5xl1.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/be5xl1.jpg/)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9017/142a7wm.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/142a7wm.jpg/)

Amazing, but still much better in person.

[louiebling$]

So while I was walking out at the little shop they have set upo they were selling a Taker T shirt but he was on a Horse and it said The Last Outlaw

[louiebling$]

OMG!!! Now I'm at In and Out and Edge Christian Kofi curt hawkins and Kofi are here eatong and said they would take pics with us!!!!! Best night ever!

[NDX]

OMG!!! Now I'm at In and Out and Edge Christian Kofi curt hawkins and Kofi are here eatong and said they would take pics with us!!!!! Best night ever!
I tend to avoid ROH wrestler when they're eating. Lots of snarling and fighting between them.

[louiebling$]

I tend to avoid ROH wrestler when they're eating. Lots of snarling and fighting between them.

O and Barreta was with them... I went up to them and said hey when you guys are done eating would you guys mind taking a picture? Edge and christian said sure then edge was hating onme for wearing my nexus shirt... he basically cut a promo on me I couldn't reply lol I couldn't think of a response lol star struck lol

[NDX]

See, I wouldn't take that. I'd give it back to him. But I'd also trash you for wearing one of those shirts.

[louiebling$]

Was just happy they were cool enough to take the pics... Kofi was a dick Edge and Christian were the ones talking and being cool and curt and trent were just quiet

[louiebling$]

Interesting video b y The Rock

http://www.whosay.com/DwayneJohnson/videos/13078

[Scar Predator]

Demott didn't do that. That was Bob Holly who beat the **** out of him.

Did you ever see the Smackdown match where Holly tried to shoot on Brock Lesnar? It didn't work out so well. :whatever:

[Scar Predator]

It looks like we are down to Curtis and Clay on NXT.

[Ghostvirus]

So is the Rock supposed to wrestle. Or is it a promotional thing for his movie?

[Scar Predator]

So is the Rock supposed to wrestle. Or is it a promotional thing for his movie?

From what I've read, he's going to be doing several segments at WM that might or might not include a brawl with Cena. I'm pretty sure he won't actually wrestle.

[The Sage]

I tend to avoid ROH wrestler when they're eating. Lots of snarling and fighting between them.

It's not always bad. One time my friends and I went to an IHOP after a ROH show, and ten minutes later in walked Bryan Danielson, Davey Richards, Austin Aries, Nigel McGuinness. Some of them waved. Danielson even talked to one of my friends in the bathroom.

Richards was just in the zone, darn near avoiding eye contact.

[Hunter Rider]

I tend to avoid ROH wrestler when they're eating. Lots of snarling and fighting between them.

That's what happens when 5 guy are fighting over one chop. :csad:

O and Barreta was with them... I went up to them and said hey when you guys are done eating would you guys mind taking a picture? Edge and christian said sure then edge was hating onme for wearing my nexus shirt... he basically cut a promo on me I couldn't reply lol I couldn't think of a response lol star struck lol

Great stuff man, sounds like you had a hell of night. :D :up:

Interesting video b y The Rock

http://www.whosay.com/DwayneJohnson/videos/13078

Hmmmmmmmmm, over to you Mr Maivia!

It looks like we are down to Curtis and Clay on NXT.

:wow: I'm surprised Bateman has been eliminated.

From what I've read, he's going to be doing several segments at WM that might or might not include a brawl with Cena. I'm pretty sure he won't actually wrestle.

Sadly I think you are right, but if Rock and Cena to throw down then surely a match must happen, maybe at Summerlsam as it's in California.

[Hunter Rider]

It's with great pride that we can now announce former IPW New Zealand Heavyweight Champion Reuben de Jong has joined the ranks of World Wrestling Entertainment!

A product of the Impact Pro Wrestling Training School, the 6'10 140kg giant will now unleash his immense skill on a world stage and prove why he is one of the most dominating IPW NZ Heayweight Champions in history!

In 2010 Reuben de Jong had the fastest rise to the top of IPW since its inception when he claimed the IPW NZ Heavyweight Championship from Vinny Dunn at Genesis 2010, a feat he acheived in less than six months.

But that’s not all there is to de Jong. With a storied history encompassing K-1 kickboxing, Mixed Martial Arts and movie and television stunt work, the reality is that Reuben has taken more than his fair share of hard knocks, yet still is in terrific shape and is now focusing on creating more history on a universal stage.



Impact Pro Wrestling wishes Reuben de Jong, now known as Russell Walker, all the very best for the future! Kick some ass, Kiwi style!

source: Impact Pro Wrestling

Reuben de Jong Hype Package (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I2b6hPQJT8)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9712/13763838gal.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/13763838gal.jpg/)

[The Sage]

Hope his skill comes along with personality.

[chapin]

any news on the Smackdown spoilers for this friday night?

[RetroNaz]

SD spoilers

WWE Smackdown Taping
Vickie will team with Drew McIntyre against Kelly Kelly and Edge. If Vickie's team loses, she is fired.

1. Rey Mysterio pinned Kane.

Dusty Rhodes was in the ring with Mysterio and wanted a face mask wearing Cody Rhodes to apologize. Dusty turned heel and helped Cody set up Rey. Cody removed Mysterio's mask, but the referees covered his face with a towel.

2. Rosa Mendes defeated Layla (w/Michelle McCool) by DQ. McCool attacked Rosa outside the ring after Rosa pushed her. A split between the LayCool members was teased, but nothing came of it.

3. Jack Swagger beat Kofi Kingston. Swagger won with the Ankle Lock. It was not advertised as a title match.

Backstage, Vickie knocked on Teddy Long's door, but he didn't answer. She ran into Chavo Guerrero and asked for help, but he wasn't willing to oblige.

4. Big Show beat Wade Barrett by countout. The Corre was banned from ringside. Show and Barrett fought outside. Show beat the count to win the match. The Corre came out. Big Show ran them off with a chair. Corre vs. Big Show and Diesel at WrestleMania?

Take two. Big Show returned to the ring. Show hit Gabriel with the chair. There was a "one more time" chant from some fans.

5. Edge and Kelly Kelly defeated Drew McIntyre and Vickie Guerrero. Huge pop for Edge. Edge and Kelly double speared McIntyre and Vickie. Edge pinned McIntyre. Teddy Long came out after the match. Dude can dance. Vickie asked everyone from Teddy to the referee to Booker to Cole to the camera man to Edge to get her job back.

Edge said he could, but he'd rather sing. Alberto Del Rio came out from behind the timekeeper's area to attack Edge, who sold his left arm after the attack. It's unclear where the Smackdown taping concluded, but it appears the next match will not air on television.

[chapin]

Time off for Vicky, Dolph will go to RAW and Drew will still be a midcard wrestler in SD?

[RetroNaz]

Some big changes for SD by the looks of it.

Making way for both Undertaker and HHH?

RAW is pretty busy as it is.

[Pink Ranger]

I think Smackdown will get R-Truth back as "compensation" for losing Ziggler. At least it will give Crapintyre someone to beat up on a weekly basis.

[BlackLantern]

thats racist

[Mr.Webs]

Damn, louiebling, sounds like you had an amazing night! Good for you, brother.:cool:

[Hunter Rider]

Hope his skill comes along with personality.

He's very dependent on booking, if Vince protects him and books him as a monster I can see him making some money with Cena and maybe Taker. He's not a type like a Ziggler or Miz that can rebound from early bad booking, he has to be made to be a threat right off the bat.

SD spoilers

WWE Smackdown Taping
Vickie will team with Drew McIntyre against Kelly Kelly and Edge. If Vickie's team loses, she is fired.

1. Rey Mysterio pinned Kane.

Dusty Rhodes was in the ring with Mysterio and wanted a face mask wearing Cody Rhodes to apologize. Dusty turned heel and helped Cody set up Rey. Cody removed Mysterio's mask, but the referees covered his face with a towel.

2. Rosa Mendes defeated Layla (w/Michelle McCool) by DQ. McCool attacked Rosa outside the ring after Rosa pushed her. A split between the LayCool members was teased, but nothing came of it.

3. Jack Swagger beat Kofi Kingston. Swagger won with the Ankle Lock. It was not advertised as a title match.

Backstage, Vickie knocked on Teddy Long's door, but he didn't answer. She ran into Chavo Guerrero and asked for help, but he wasn't willing to oblige.

4. Big Show beat Wade Barrett by countout. The Corre was banned from ringside. Show and Barrett fought outside. Show beat the count to win the match. The Corre came out. Big Show ran them off with a chair. Corre vs. Big Show and Diesel at WrestleMania?

Take two. Big Show returned to the ring. Show hit Gabriel with the chair. There was a "one more time" chant from some fans.

5. Edge and Kelly Kelly defeated Drew McIntyre and Vickie Guerrero. Huge pop for Edge. Edge and Kelly double speared McIntyre and Vickie. Edge pinned McIntyre. Teddy Long came out after the match. Dude can dance. Vickie asked everyone from Teddy to the referee to Booker to Cole to the camera man to Edge to get her job back.

Edge said he could, but he'd rather sing. Alberto Del Rio came out from behind the timekeeper's area to attack Edge, who sold his left arm after the attack. It's unclear where the Smackdown taping concluded, but it appears the next match will not air on television.

Kane jobbing always pleases me, I have no issue with heel Dusty but Cody doesn't need any help getting over in this angle.

I don't know why they are breaking Laycool up as I can't really see either of them getting anywhere as a face.

I really don't want to see more Kofi vs Swagger matches, Kofi needs a new challenger for the IC title.

Team Show vs The Corre makes fine sense.

I think the firing of Dolph and Vickie will lead to them both moving to Raw, and Ziggler will feud with Cena after he wins the belt from Miz.

[Superark]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com (http://www.PWInsider.com)

Part of TNA's "shocking surprise" is that they have re-signed Sting and that he will return in a BIG role for the company. There's some speculation that he may challenge Jeff Hardy for the TNA title and TNA is playing off all the Sting/WWE buzz.

Tere's no confirmation if he is the sole surprise or simply part of whatever TNA's surprise is.

[Hunter Rider]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com (http://www.PWInsider.com)

Part of TNA's "shocking surprise" is that they have re-signed Sting and that he will return in a BIG role for the company. There's some speculation that he may challenge Jeff Hardy for the TNA title and TNA is playing off all the Sting/WWE buzz.

Tere's no confirmation if he is the sole surprise or simply part of whatever TNA's surprise is.

Very sad. :csad:

[Pink Ranger]

thats racist

No it's not. Some of my best friends are Scottish. ;)

[BlackLantern]

so Sting is going to get the belt....AGAIN..is he actually going to talk during this reign?

[epc11223]

call me crazy or naive, but i was actually thinking maybe it was ziggler who was going to tna lol. he recently got fired and he teased it on his twitter. that would have been a pretty good steal. but alas, it's probably just sting.

[Superark]

Very sad. :csad:

I love Sting, but for that to be the "one of the most shocking surprises of the year" is pathetic. Sting has been in TNA for years, so his return means very little, unlike if he were to debut in WWE, which would create massive interest.

Also, Sting is going to be 52 next month. He does not need to be challenging for world titles. I'm all for seeing him vs. Hardy, but not for a world title.

TNA continues to make the same mistakes and makes promises they cannot keep or live up to.

I wish TNA would go back and see how the handled the Kurt Angle signing to realize that's how you properly surprise something.

[BlackLantern]

I'm beginning to wonder what the tipping point for TNA will be

[Nightmare]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com (http://www.PWInsider.com)

Part of TNA's "shocking surprise" is that they have re-signed Sting and that he will return in a BIG role for the company. There's some speculation that he may challenge Jeff Hardy for the TNA title and TNA is playing off all the Sting/WWE buzz.

Tere's no confirmation if he is the sole surprise or simply part of whatever TNA's surprise is.

How disappointing. :doh:

[Metallo]

Kane jobbing always pleases me, I have no issue with heel Dusty but Cody doesn't need any help getting over in this angle.

I don't know why they are breaking Laycool up as I can't really see either of them getting anywhere as a face.

I really don't want to see more Kofi vs Swagger matches, Kofi needs a new challenger for the IC title.

Team Show vs The Corre makes fine sense.

I think the firing of Dolph and Vickie will lead to them both moving to Raw, and Ziggler will feud with Cena after he wins the belt from Miz.

Seems like they are trying to copy the Randy/Cowboy Bob team with Dusty and Cody. Dustys heel turn really makes no sense to me. The last time we saw Dusty he was trying to steer Cody to the right path. If anything Cody pretending to apologize only to slap his own father in the face and call him a loser would get him more heat. Dusty's a natural face these days because of his common man gimmick and because he's a legend. When WCW turned him heel it looked stupid.

Cody should be saying he's the best Rhodes and forging his own path away from his father. Its the only thing that worked for Dustin when he became Goldust and it can work for Cody.

If Laycool breaks up I expect Layla to become the face since McCool ONLY works as a heel and was just God awful as a face. McCool has also been the one teasing attacking her partner. McCool is basically the senior partner in that group and Layla really got elevated more when she joined McCool.

I hate to see Smackdown get robbed of another rising star. Seems like as soon as they make someone they get sent over to Raw (and usually get lost in the shuffle). But theres a lot for Ziggler to do on Raw and I don't expect him to get lost in the shuffle. I kind of hope Morrison gets sent back to Smackdown since theres a little more breathing room over there.

They definitely need Del Rio to take the IC title off Kofi. It seems like here's more face challengers than heels on SD. Del Rio can face Christian for the IC at some point while he's building up to face Edge at Wrestlemania.




Credit to www.PWInsider.com (http://www.pwinsider.com/)

Part of TNA's "shocking surprise" is that they have re-signed Sting and that he will return in a BIG role for the company. There's some speculation that he may challenge Jeff Hardy for the TNA title and TNA is playing off all the Sting/WWE buzz.

Tere's no confirmation if he is the sole surprise or simply part of whatever TNA's surprise is.

I'd be down for Hardy vs Sting IF Sting is healthy. If not I see no point. They wrestled at least once on Impact but it was pretty short and basically just a set up for something else.

I think the two characters could play off each over very well considering Hardy grew up watching Sting in that Crockett/NWA stronghold of the Carolinas. The dark character, the facepaint, the energy they both generate in their prime. Heres some interesting stuff to work with.

Hardy could talk about idolizing Sting growing up (which is true) and he looks at him now as a pathetic has been. Stings yesterday while Hardy is the future kind of stuff.

Sting takes the moral high ground and says he sees a young man who had a lot of potential but "what the hell happened?" Talks about how Hardy sold his soul.Could be even better with Flair seconding Hardy.

TNA might be smart to play off the Sting WWE heat because EVERYBODY seemed to think he was bound for WWE and yet he returns to TNA? If played right if could make TNA look more important than it is because Sting made that choice. Its the kind of stuff Jericho was talking about. The talent needs to sell TNA as important for fans to give a darn in the first place.

They really shouldn't build it up so much as the biggest deal of the year though. Thats a lot of hype that nothing could live up to. Just build it up as something big.

[BlackLantern]

eh, I don't buy that....it's not going to make TNA look more important, it just makes Sting look foolish to picking the losing team when he could have taken a much bigger paycheck, less work, and 10x the recognition if he went to the WWE

[Heretic]

I love that the idea of Sting's return is getting the wrestling community into one giant collective yawn. TNA just doesn't understand that people wanted Sting vs Taker...no one actually cares about anything else Sting could do, especially in TNA.

[Metallo]

so Sting is going to get the belt....AGAIN..is he actually going to talk during this reign?

I would imagine he has to considering the circumstances are different now. The "conspiracy" that kept him silent last year has been revealed. Why would he stay quiet?



I love Sting, but for that to be the "one of the most shocking surprises of the year" is pathetic. Sting has been in TNA for years, so his return means very little, unlike if he were to debut in WWE, which would create massive interest.

Also, Sting is going to be 52 next month. He does not need to be challenging for world titles. I'm all for seeing him vs. Hardy, but not for a world title.

TNA continues to make the same mistakes and makes promises they cannot keep or live up to.

I wish TNA would go back and see how the handled the Kurt Angle signing to realize that's how you properly surprise something.

Considering everybody got their hopes up that he was WWE bound it is a little surprising he's going back to WWE. Like Jericho said its the talent doing things like this that helps TNA look important. Sting chose TNA over WWE because he WANTED to and i think thats more good than bad for TNA. Sting goign to WWE generated HUGE buzz so the man is still somewhat relevant. TNA NEEDS people that matter to make the choice. People like Sting and Angle. Especially Angle. Stings not at his peak physically but people still care about him.

I don't think he should be challenging for a world title but him and hardy swapping the belt back and forth with Hardy retiring Sting could help hardy as a heel.

Some people wanting Sting to come to WWE and go through their current roster in one last run. Facing Cena Orton, etc. I don't really see how that helped them since a 52 year old man going over guys 20 years his junior seems just as silly to me.

i can understand the Taker match but some people had expectations of MORE from Sting in WWE. A one year run of feuds...which was ridiculous. That was never going to happen even if he had signed with WWE.



eh, I don't buy that....it's not going to make TNA look more important, it just makes Sting look foolish to picking the losing team when he could have taken a much bigger paycheck, less work, and 10x the recognition if he went to the WWE

And he turned all that down because he doesn't NEED WWE. He's got plenty of money. he didn't blow it like his contemporaries. how does that make him foolish? He's doing what he likes. Tell me why he NEEDS WWE? The guy is already rich. Since When has Sting EVER been obsessed with the business so much that he's had this burning desire for WWE? You're the one thats always saying people need to get real about this stuff

His place with the fans is secure. people already know who he is. He's already helped beat WWE once at their own game. Recognition? Whats left to prove besides LOSING to Taker at Wrestlemania? Its not going to be the match it could have been 10 years ago. Even Shawn Michaels said he'd rather have faced Sting 10 years ago.

if he'd gone to WWE he'd have to do more work if he was on a full schedule so I don't know where you're getting this less work stuff. The only way it'd be less work is if he did one match with Taker but a lot of people were expecting more than that. Some people wanted one last run. Thats more work.

[Hunter Rider]

I love Sting, but for that to be the "one of the most shocking surprises of the year" is pathetic. Sting has been in TNA for years, so his return means very little, unlike if he were to debut in WWE, which would create massive interest.

Also, Sting is going to be 52 next month. He does not need to be challenging for world titles. I'm all for seeing him vs. Hardy, but not for a world title.

TNA continues to make the same mistakes and makes promises they cannot keep or live up to.

I wish TNA would go back and see how the handled the Kurt Angle signing to realize that's how you properly surprise something.

Sting vs Hardy has some potential as Metallo outlines, but overall it will be 2-3 months and done, Sting shouldn't be World champion now so there is nowhere else to go character-wise once it's over.

If he had went to WWE he had two or three really big matches lined up and could work with young stars on the cusp of the next level, something TNA will never be. Plus for us long time fans we would get the long awaited Sting DVD set and he could go into the HOF.

In truth looking at it in the cold light of day it made little sense for Sting to face Taker at this Mania because he'd basically lose his first bit WWE match, that is not how you book one of the biggest stars in the history of the business.

Instead though he could have come in to partner Show, Booker and Nash against Corre in the Georgia Dome to kick is WWE career off, then work the singles matches through the year before going into the HOF next year before wrestling one final big match at Wrestlemania 28.

[SuperBatman]

TNA doesn't get it. Bringing Sting back to TNA is not the most shocking surprise at all. The only reason people wanted Sting in the WWE is because he's never been there yet and they wanted to see the UT vs Sting.

[Hunter Rider]

Some people wanting Sting to come to WWE and go through their current roster in one last run. Facing Cena Orton, etc. I don't really see how that helped them since a 52 year old man going over guys 20 years his junior seems just as silly to me.

i can understand the Taker match but some people had expectations of MORE from Sting in WWE. A one year run of feuds...which was ridiculous. That was never going to happen even if he had signed with WWE.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested Sting should go over those guys, but I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest he could have the same type of nostalgia run Hogan had in 2002, where he worked Rock, Triple H, Taker and Angle.

[Johnny Drama]

I'm beginning to wonder what the tipping point for TNA will be

6 months from now when they bring in Mike Knox and make him TNA World Heavyweight Champion, have Hogan become his mentor and then have him drop the title to Jeff Jarrett.


So wow, WWE has completely abandoned the WWE brand split. I mean, they always ignored it in the past around Wrestlemania time but now it's completely abandoned. You have Alberto Del Rio, who has been on every RAW and Smackdown for the past 2 months, Smackdowns biggest star The Undertaker making his return on Monday Night Raw, The WWE Champion The Miz is on Smackdown on a weekly basis and the World Heavyweight Champion Edge is on Raw semi-weekly. Ziggler heading to RAW, one Divas devision between two brands, Smackdown guys jobbing out on RAW, ect.
This may be a sign of the infamous and long rumored "merge"

[BlackLantern]

Ive been saying its time for the WWE to slim down

[Metallo]

I don't think anyone has ever suggested Sting should go over those guys, but I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest he could have the same type of nostalgia run Hogan had in 2002, where he worked Rock, Triple H, Taker and Angle.


Difference is Hogans nostalgia run was more relevant to WWE. he was the foundation of Vince McMahons WWE. There was nostalgia for his great moments at Wrestlemania. That hardcore WWE only audience who thinks WWE is synonymous with wrestling knew who Hogan was and had a connection with him

Sting has no ties to WWE, no ties to Mania, and a lot off those people who only watch WWE and refused to watch any other wrestling simply because it wasn't WWE or didn't have access to it would have no idea who Sting was. Even the kids would have less idea of who Sting was as compared to Hogan because they never promoted Sting as a grand part of WWE's history the way they did with Hogan even when he was gone.

Sting could have a nostalgia run in WWE but I don't think it would be anywhere near as big as Hogans for a lot of reasons. Theres really only ONE big match for him there. Maybe two if HBK hadn't retired.

And yeah some people did want to see Sting feud with some of the current generation of WWE's top stars. If they wanted to build Sting for his WWE run I can't see him losing to Orton and Cena and that does them no favors. Reminds me of Ortons loss to Hogan. If Sting was ever coming to WWE he needed to be used right. A legends deal would be perfect for merch. But looking at it from his perspective I knew he'd never come there and do a full if short run. Any WWE deal would be on his terms otherwise he wasn't going to sign. He's like Warrior in that regard only...not crazy.

Personally I expected Sting to retire but I think he has one last big feud with Jeff hardy left in him to put over Hardy as a heel and really after that there is literally nothing left for him to do in TNA. And unlike HHH Sting WILL do the honors for Jeff Hardy and any young guy that needs it. HHH will only lay down for another guy near retirement. Time for these old guys to make room, Michaels knew it. Sting and HHH and even Taker need to start winding down.

For the first time Taker looked REALLY old to me Monday and HHH looked like a roided out bloat. I've got very little interest in that match. People say Sting back in TNA is a collective yawn...well after WWE let everyone believe Sting was possibly WWE bound for a couple of weeks HHH vs Taker gets a collective yawn from me.

I want to call HHH Stay Puft.

[Marx]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com (http://www.PWInsider.com)

Part of TNA's "shocking surprise" is that they have re-signed Sting and that he will return in a BIG role for the company. There's some speculation that he may challenge Jeff Hardy for the TNA title and TNA is playing off all the Sting/WWE buzz.

Tere's no confirmation if he is the sole surprise or simply part of whatever TNA's surprise is.

Well...that's just disappointing. :csad:

[Johnny Drama]

The shocking surprise is that Karen Angle leaves Jeff Jarrett for Sting

[Wylie Times]

I love Sting, but for that to be the "one of the most shocking surprises of the year" is pathetic. Sting has been in TNA for years, so his return means very little, unlike if he were to debut in WWE, which would create massive interest.


Well it should be shocking for some seeing as how some folks were convinced Sting was coming to WWE. I figured this was going to happen for a few reasons:

1. Sting is a VERY loyal guy. The fact that he stuck with WCW and Lex Luger despite a lot of ******** proves that.

2. TNA is dumb/desperate enough to overpay Sting. The guy only works a handful of matches a year, doesn't do house shows, and doesn't have to do much traveling. He gets a buttload of money just for that. If WWE were going to pay him that much or more they'd damn sure want their money's worth.

3. Sting simply doesn't want to be in WWE. He's said it before in interviews. He wants no part of the company, doesn't like the product, and doesn't trust Vince or the rest of creative. Until that changes any news of WWE trying to get him should probably be ignored.

[BlackLantern]

The shocking surprise is that Karen Angle leaves Jeff Jarrett for Sting

ha...wouldn't surprise me

this reeks of the Raven/Sandman/Tyler storyline

[Metallo]

I agree with Hunter. Sting coming to WWE to LOSE to Taker in his first and only WWE match would not help in trying to promote him as this great star they could make money off of.

I think Sting, like any great legend, is beyond wins and losses but even he needs one win in WWE to sell WWE fans who don't know him as well on this great legend he supposedly is. Those ten year old Cena fans have no clue who Sting is.

At least Sting will do the honors for Jeff Hardy if asked...unlike the King of Son in Laws. Taker vs HHH annoys me even more if HHH retires to Taker.

Shawn put over a lot of guys on the way out thats why I have no problem with him losing to another legend. Same with Flair. Who the heck has HHH MADE in the last 5 years besides Cena (who was already on his way) and Batista (who is retired)?




Well it should be shocking for some seeing as how some folks were convinced Sting was coming to WWE. I figured this was going to happen for a few reasons:

1. Sting is a VERY loyal guy. The fact that he stuck with WCW and Lex Luger despite a lot of ******** proves that.

2. TNA is dumb/desperate enough to overpay Sting. The guy only works a handful of matches a year, doesn't do house shows, and doesn't have to do much traveling. He gets a buttload of money just for that. If WWE were going to pay him that much or more they'd damn sure want their money's worth.

3. Sting simply doesn't want to be in WWE. He's said it before in interviews. He wants no part of the company, doesn't like the product, and doesn't trust Vince or the rest of creative. Until that changes any news of WWE trying to get him should probably be ignored.

Exactly. Sting doesn't trust Vince McMahon. Vinny Mac f**cked over WCW when he blackmailed PPV providers in not airing Starcade at Thanksgiving time years ago. He basically tried to mess with Sting's livelihood when he was a young guy starting out.

Why WOULD Sting trust McMahon even if McMahon was telling the truth??

Dixie Carter is a fool sometimes..but she seems like a good person. Like you said Sting has shown he's loyal. He KNOWS Flair helped make him and he admitted thats why he stayed in TNA another year to work with Flair and be around him again.

Michaels and Taker were loyal to WWE when WCW was kicking their a**. They could have made a LOT more money in WCW but loyalty counts for something to some guys.

A contract doesn't always mean a lot to Vince. Bret Hart had 30 days of creative control too and none of it meant anything to McMahon. And He and Bret were good friends. As far as business goes getting in bed with Vince is like getting in bed with a snake.

[chapin]

The most shocking surprise of all times is if Taker, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold and Cena signs with TNA... that's a surprise alright!

Its "shocking" if Sting doesnt show up and somebody else does.

[BlackLantern]

what TNA needs to do is steal someone "in their prime" from the WWE....i think that is the only way you get the WWE audience to pay attention to them

[Wylie Times]

what TNA needs to do is steal someone "in their prime" from the WWE....i think that is the only way you get the WWE audience to pay attention to them

That wouldn't even work. They're brand in just too damaged. What they need to do is fire Russo, bring back Cornette (since they killed any chance they had of getting Heyman), and completely reboot the company while coming back with a new name.

Hell they might be better off hooking back up with NWA also to add some prestige.

[Metallo]

what TNA needs to do is steal someone "in their prime" from the WWE....i think that is the only way you get the WWE audience to pay attention to them

Thats not going to do anything. Those WWE fans are programmed to want the the WWE style, the WWE spectacle, and the WWE product.

Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle went to TNA and it did very little for ratings. Even if hell froze over and TNA got Cena somehow it would be a brief ratings spike. People WANT to see Cena but they want to see the WWE Cena with the whole WWE package.

Thats what WWE sells these days, a whole package. Thats what the WWE fans fall in love with. A WWE superstar is more than just the man in the role.

Rupert Murdock could start his own wrestling company tomorrow and put it on Fox and they wouldn't immediately be any kind of challenge to WWE. You of all people know what I'm saying is true cause you've said it yourself.

The only reason WCW went as far as they did was because they had like 40 years of NWA/Crockett history behind it before Turner bought them out and started his WCW in 1988. They built on an existing recognition the same way Vince built his WWF on his fathers old WWWF.

[chapin]

what TNA needs to do is steal someone "in their prime" from the WWE....i think that is the only way you get the WWE audience to pay attention to them

Agree but who could be a BIG NAME from the WWE that's not with the company at the moment... Jericho is the only BIG NAME that i think of.

[Hunter Rider]

Difference is Hogans nostalgia run was more relevant to WWE. he was the foundation of Vince McMahons WWE. There was nostalgia for his great moments at Wrestlemania. That hardcore WWE only audience who thinks WWE is synonymous with wrestling knew who Hogan was and had a connection with him

Sting has no ties to WWE, no ties to Mania, and a lot off those people who only watch WWE and refused to watch any other wrestling simply because it wasn't WWE or didn't have access to it would have no idea who Sting was. Even the kids would have less idea of who Sting was as compared to Hogan because they never promoted Sting as a grand part of WWE's history the way they did with Hogan even when he was gone.

Sting could have a nostalgia run in WWE but I don't think it would be anywhere near as big as Hogans for a lot of reasons. Theres really only ONE big match for him there. Maybe two if HBK hadn't retired.

And yeah some people did want to see Sting feud with some of the current generation of WWE's top stars. if they wanted to build sting for his WWE run i can't see him losing to Orton and Cena and that does them no favors. Reminded me of Ortons loss to Hogan. If Sting was ever coming to WWE he needed to be used right. A legends deal with be perfect for merch. But looking at it from his perspective I knew he'd never come there and do a full if short run. Any WWE deal would be on his terms otherwise he wasn't going to sign. He's like Warrior in that regard only...not crazy.

They would have to take a different tact certainly as Sting is not as you say a WWE guy, however I think a large portion of the WWE audience would know who he was. They may not know of his Surfer Sting period but Crow Sting was one the 4 icons of the Monday Night wars, which was the last boom period for the business.

He could have traded wins with Cena and it wouldn't have hurt either guy, and there were other guys he could beat in between losing to the current very top mnain eventers. I don't think structuring a one year run would be hard to do at all, picking the right wins and the right jobs is easy looking at the WWE roster.

Personally I expected Sting to retire but I think he has one last big feud with Jeff hardy left in him to put over Hardy as a heel and really after that there is literally nothing left for him to do in TNA. And unlike HHH Sting WILL do the honors for Jeff Hardy and any young guy that needs it. HHH will only lay down fro another guy near retirement. Time for these old guys to make room, Michaels knew it. Sting and HHH and even Taker need to start winding down.

Jeff beating Sting isn't going to do anything for TNA, I hate to be a downer but that promotion is amateur hour, I have not been happy with current WWE booking but Vince and his crew know how to package and present the things they want to be seen as a big deal. I agree with your last line, I just think they need the legends one more year, to be the backbone on cards while the young guys fight for the titles in the main event.

For the first time Taker looked REALLY old to me Monday and HHH looked like a roided out bloat. I've got very little interest in that match. People say Sting back in TNA is a collective yawn...well after WWE let everyone believe Sting was possibly WWE bound for a couple of weeks HHH vs Taker gets a collective yawn from me.

I want to call HHH Stay Puft.

I agree fully, my money is on Triple H cutting a classic promo next week to try and hype the match, but bottom line is the whole angle feels rushed and desperate, and both guys look like what they are, two old timers wanting to cling on a bit longer before the lights go down on them for good.

1. Sting is a VERY loyal guy. The fact that he stuck with WCW and Lex Luger despite a lot of ******** proves that.

He's always made huge money, and did so in two companies where you didn't have to work nearly as hard for your paper as you do in WWE, so for "loyalty" read easy money.


3. Sting simply doesn't want to be in WWE. He's said it before in interviews. He wants no part of the company, doesn't like the product, and doesn't trust Vince or the rest of creative. Until that changes any news of WWE trying to get him should probably be ignored.

His loyalty and his principles seem to be confused

[Pink Ranger]

Thats not going to do anything. Those WWE fans are programmed to want the the WWE style, the WWE spectacle, and the WWE product.

Agreed. TNA could headhunt Cena, Del Rio, Orton, Undertaker and CM Punk and sign them today, and WWE would still be multiples ahead with them in ratings. There are too many business advantages from the WWE has, from its logistics network, its ability to cross the country with its show, its global viewership, its relationships with venues and its broadcaster, its marketing, etc. that TNA couldn't even begin to dream of.

And it's not just money either: it's expertise, longtime business relationships and contracts that the WWE has in its favour.

[RetroNaz]

I don't think there will be a tipping point for TNA per se. But I think they will bleed out money and not build up a strong enough fan base to be anything more than a second rate "at least I'm on TV" wrestling show for the guys that can't make it or have been fired from WWE.

Even if the booking was superb, and the matches were all 5 star quality, they would still be second to WWE.

[louiebling$]

Seems like they are trying to copy the Randy/Cowboy Bob team with Dusty and Cody. Dustys heel turn really makes no sense to me. The last time we saw Dusty he was trying to steer Cody to the right path. If anything Cody pretending to apologize only to slap his own father in the face and call him a loser would get him more heat. Dusty's a natural face these days because of his common man gimmick and because he's a legend. When WCW turned him heel it looked stupid.

Cody should be saying he's the best Rhodes and forging his own path away from his father. Its the only thing that worked for Dustin when he became Goldust and it can work for Cody.





you forgeting about when Dusty turned on DX and gave them the boot and told them he would do anything for his son?

[Metallo]

That wouldn't even work. They're brand in just too damaged. What they need to do is fire Russo, bring back Cornette (since they killed any chance they had of getting Heyman), and completely reboot the company while coming back with a new name.

Hell they might be better off hooking back up with NWA also to add some prestige.

I don't think the brand is to damaged because other companies have come back and done huge business after some terrible ideas. Not enough people even KNOW the TNA brand for the damage to be that widespread. Most people have missed the crap and have no idea they even exist.

Hooking up with the NWA wouldn't help much because TNA, as small as it is, is currently TEN TIMES more well known to the majority of today's audience than the NWA. If anything the NWA needs TNA more than TNA needs the NWA to give them TV exposure. The business on the national level seems to live and die by tv exposure today.

TNA WAS affiliated with the NWA at one point for years and it really didn't do much and it didn't hurt them when that affiliation was ended

The NWA is a dinosaur that really exists in name only and that name value has faded. it would really only matter to the hardcore wrestling fans and older fans. Its the younger audience that really drives the business more. I'm a young guy and to most people MY age the NWA doesn't mean anything. I think it could help TNA to get that relationship going but only in a small way.

As for Heyman...TNA was right to turn him down. He was asking for FAR to much. no promoter or owner would be stupid enough to give a booker THAT much power. I know the reasoning is "what does TNA have to lose" but she'd be giving total creative control and partial ownership to someone else with no guarantees for ANYTHING. What could Heyman really GUARANTEE for that kind of trade off? Nothing.

Dixie is seen as a total mark and she'd have lost ANY respect she had if she had given control of her company lock stock and barrel to Heyman because she'd have been an even BIGGER mark. Even Hogan and Bischoff didn't make the outrageous demands that Heyman did. Heyman made those demands because he really doesn't need to work in the business and knew he had nothing to lose by asking for that kind of power.

IF he had failed TNA would be in serious financial trouble and we all know Heyman knows nothing about helping on the financial side of things. I think it was to big of a gamble on TNA's side. Its not like ECW was a HUGE international success and its hottest period was almost 15 years ago. In the business world its "what have you done for me LATELY."

The smart thing for TNA to do now would be to FIRE Russo and rehire Cornette and have him work with someone who is a little more modern to keep TNA relevant to todays wrestling world.

[chapin]

So the bottom line is that TNA is lame?

[RetroNaz]

Guys like Sting and Ric Flair and Hogan just can't let it go. They'll always get the big crowd pops which will make them feel relevant, but at the end of the day they don't add anything to the product other than "oh it's THAT guy" recognition.

In the real world, a 50+ year old man has no role IN a ring. Outside of it is another matter entirely, but they should not be wrestling.

It's just another cartoony notch to add to the professional wrestling belt IMO.

[RetroNaz]

Guys like Sting and Ric Flair and Hogan just can't let it go. They'll always get the big crowd pops which will make them feel relevant, but at the end of the day they don't add anything to the product other than "oh it's THAT guy" recognition.

In the real world, a 50+ year old man has no role IN a ring. Outside of it is another matter entirely, but they should not be wrestling.

It's just another cartoony notch to add to the professional wrestling belt IMO.

[RetroNaz]

I don't think the brand is to damaged because other companies have come back and done huge business after some terrible ideas. Not enough people even KNOW the TNA brand for the damage to be that widespread. Most people have missed the crap and have no idea they even exist.

Hooking up with the NWA wouldn't help much because TNA, as small as it is, is currently TEN TIMES more well known to the majority of today's audience than the NWA. If anything the NWA needs TNA more than TNA needs the NWA to give them TV exposure. The business on the national level seems to live and die by tv exposure today.

TNA WAS affiliated with the NWA at one point for years and it really didn't do much and it didn't hurt them when that affiliation was ended

The NWA is a dinosaur that really exists in name only and that name value has faded. it would really only matter to the hardcore wrestling fans and older fans. Its the younger audience that really drives the business more. I'm a young guy and to most people MY age the NWA doesn't mean anything. I think it could help TNA to get that relationship going but only in a small way.

As for Heyman...TNA was right to turn him down. He was asking for FAR to much. no promoter or owner would be stupid enough to give a booker THAT much power. I know the reasoning is "what does TNA have to lose" but she'd be giving total creative control and partial ownership to someone else with no guarantees for ANYTHING. What could Heyman really GUARANTEE for that kind of trade off? Nothing.

Dixie is seen as a total mark and she'd have lost ANY respect she had if she had given control of her company lock stock and barrel to Heyman because she'd have been an even BIGGER mark. Even Hogan and Bischoff didn't make the outrageous demands that Heyman did. Heyman made those demands because he really doesn't need to work in the business and knew he had nothing to lose by asking for that kind of power.

IF he had failed TNA would be in serious financial trouble and we all know Heyman knows nothing about helping on the financial side of things. I think it was to big of a gamble on TNA's side. Its not like ECW was a HUGE international success and its hottest period was almost 15 years ago. In the business world its "what have you done for me LATELY."

The smart thing for TNA to do now would be to FIRE Russo and rehire Cornette and have him work with someone who is a little more modern to keep TNA relevant to todays wrestling world.

Dixie maintains that Russo is doing a good job with TNA creative - which blows me away completely. I guess Russo books well/looks after the right top stars who then have the clout to tell Dixie that he is doing a great job.

I believe that TNA are happy with the level they are at. There hasn't been a focus on making major changes to the brand outside of some big name signings and attempted big angle story lines. They don't seem serious enough, or focused enough, or savy enough to be trying to make their company bigger.

[BlackLantern]

Thats not going to do anything. Those WWE fans are programmed to want the the WWE style, the WWE spectacle, and the WWE product.

Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle went to TNA and it did very little for ratings. Even if hell froze over and TNA got Cena somehow it would be a brief ratings spike. People WANT to see Cena but they want to see the WWE Cena with the whole WWE package.

Thats what WWE sells these days, a whole package. Thats what the WWE fans fall in love with. A WWE superstar is more than just the man in the role.



bingo, bingo, x2

the brand is the selling point, I think Vince went that way because Hogan burned him all those years back, and the Rock, to an extent...he can stand there and say its great for Johnson to do what he's doing, but he lost a top draw still in his prime

that has to sting

[Wylie Times]

Agree but who could be a BIG NAME from the WWE that's not with the company at the moment... Jericho is the only BIG NAME that i think of.

Jericho hates TNA from what I can tell. He's constantly talking bad about the company on his twitter and even takes shots at the company in his book.

[Hotwire]

OMG!!! Now I'm at In and Out and Edge Christian Kofi curt hawkins and Kofi are here eatong and said they would take pics with us!!!!! Best night ever!

Post 'em!!!

Please.

[Wylie Times]

Guys like Sting and Ric Flair and Hogan just can't let it go. They'll always get the big crowd pops which will make them feel relevant, but at the end of the day they don't add anything to the product other than "oh it's THAT guy" recognition.

In the real world, a 50+ year old man has no role IN a ring. Outside of it is another matter entirely, but they should not be wrestling.

It's just another cartoony notch to add to the professional wrestling belt IMO.

Actually Sting CAN let go. If Dixie wasn't so adamant about bringing him back all the time that man would be content to sit at home and enjoy his life.

[RetroNaz]

Jericho hates TNA from what I can tell. He's constantly talking bad about the company on his twitter and even takes shots at the company in his book.

He's spoke about that in recent interviews. He doesn't hate TNA, he just doesn't believe they are trying to be a good company and instead invest too much time comparing themselves to WWE which comes off as second rate all the time.

I think we'd find most guys in the wrestling biz WANT TNA to succeed to some degree. Business picks up, everyone gets paid/more money.

[BlackLantern]

competition is good for all....but TNA is their own worst enemy, letting their inferiority complex get the better of them

[chapin]

maybe got Goldberg, Jericho or JBL? ... just kidding

[RetroNaz]

Actually Sting CAN let go. If Dixie wasn't so adamant about bringing him back all the time that man would be content to sit at home and enjoy his life.

No doubt about it. But he's certainly not anywhere near as good as he used to be and for the casual fan who couldn't give a crap about his past accolades - would just be left wondering what a man is doing wrestling that's half a century old and wearing crow makeup doing in a ring, and looking strong against his younger, more athletic opponents, Ditto for Hogan, Flair, etc

[Metallo]

you forgeting about when Dusty turned on DX and gave them the boot and told them he would do anything for his son?

I kind of think that was a mistake too.





They would have to take a different tact certainly as Sting is not as you say a WWE guy, however I think a large portion of the WWE audience would know who he was. They may not know of his Surfer Sting period but Crow Sting was one the 4 icons of the Monday Night wars, which was the last boom period for the business.

The older fans are going to know who Sting is but some of them won't care. And most under the age of 13 will have no clue who Sting is. I think the best estimate would be half of WWE's audience would have some meaningful knowledge of Sting from watching WCW when they were younger, WWE dvds, watching TNA, etc.



He could have traded wins with Cena and it wouldn't have hurt either guy, and there were other guys he could beat in between losing to the current very top main eventers. I don't think structuring a one year run would be hard to do at all, picking the right wins and the right jobs is easy looking at the WWE roster.

Something like that would require time and commitment in the ring from Sting and I'm just not sure he'd be willing to commit that much time for that many matches.

For a one year run I can't see WWE getting anything more than 12 matches a year out of Sting and even most of those would be short and light matches. I think the only reason they got as much as they did out of Hogan was because he was under a regular contract. Sting would want something special and he's older now than Hogan was in 2002.



Jeff beating Sting isn't going to do anything for TNA, I hate to be a downer but that promotion is amateur hour, I have not been happy with current WWE booking but Vince and his crew know how to package and present the things they want to be seen as a big deal. I agree with your last line, I just think they need the legends one more year, to be the backbone on cards while the young guys fight for the titles in the main event.

Its not going to do much for TNA as a whole but it could help Jeff as a heel and that in turn could help the TNA show long term. A show is only as good as its talents in some ways. Even with good writing if Hardy's heel act doesn't get some steam behind it they aren't going to do anything either. Unlike a lot of the other guys Hardy has beaten Sting is more of a big name and has a more established persona. Hardy beating Sting is going to do more for him than beating Anderson or Morgan don't you think? What credibility do wins over those guys give Hardy?



I agree fully, my money is on Triple H cutting a classic promo next week to try and hype the match, but bottom line is the whole angle feels rushed and desperate, and both guys look like what they are, two old timers wanting to cling on a bit longer before the lights go down on them for good.

Triple H got a good pop (he's gotten better before though) but this whole thing is so predicable. The fact is HHH is no Shawn Michaels in the ring or even when it comes to creative ideas. The match feels thrown together to help save Mania because its short on marquee matches.

WWE threw logic out the window to make it. The HHH I know wouldn't just forget about the guy who tried to cripple him and end his career and the Taker I know would want revenge on the men who buried him alive. Its just stupid that they suddenly forget all that. Certainly that HHH did.



He's always made huge money, and did so in two companies where you didn't have to work nearly as hard for your paper as you do in WWE, so for "loyalty" read easy money.

He made more than his WWE counterparts in the early days but not nearly as much as he made later. In those early years I think it was more about loyalty than money for him. Its not a case like Kevin Nash were it was ALL about money.

Nash can lie all he wants to but his talk of wanting to go back to WWE because Vince made him doesn't hold water to me because he wasn't loyal to Vince when Vince needed Nash most in 1996.

I think Sting knows he can write his own ticket in TNA. Decent money for not many dates and he calls the shots. In WWE Vince still calls the shots no matter what promise he makes Sting. I think Wylie is right Sting doesn't trust Vince because he knows thats true.




Agreed. TNA could headhunt Cena, Del Rio, Orton, Undertaker and CM Punk and sign them today, and WWE would still be multiples ahead with them in ratings. There are too many business advantages from the WWE has, from its logistics network, its ability to cross the country with its show, its global viewership, its relationships with venues and its broadcaster, its marketing, etc. that TNA couldn't even begin to dream of.

And it's not just money either: it's expertise, longtime business relationships and contracts that the WWE has in its favour.

Yeah exactly. WWE is too entrenched in the marketplace and the minds of the audience. Its something that takes years or even DECADES.





I don't think there will be a tipping point for TNA per se. But I think they will bleed out money and not build up a strong enough fan base to be anything more than a second rate "at least I'm on TV" wrestling show for the guys that can't make it or have been fired from WWE.

Even if the booking was superb, and the matches were all 5 star quality, they would still be second to WWE.

They shouldn't have any problem with being number two internally. Externally they have to act like the top company but the best thing they can do business wise is NOT try to compete with WWE but to be the best company they can be regardless of whether WWE exists or not. If they do that everything will fall into place naturally.

The biggest mistake WCW made was trying to BEAT WWE to be number one instead of being the best show they could to be number one. When they became obsessed with WWE they lost focus.




Agree but who could be a BIG NAME from the WWE that's not with the company at the moment... Jericho is the only BIG NAME that i think of.

Jericho wouldn't make a difference. It would be about the same as when Angle came to TNA. As awesome as Jericho is he's not on that same level off sheer star power than Cena is on and even Cena going to TNA might not make much of a difference long term.

[RetroNaz]

JBL would have made a great full time commentator...better than Booker IMO.

[Slushy]

From a 2006 interview:

Q: How strongly did you consider signing with WWE?

Borden: In 1990s, I talked to them a couple of times and the reason I was never able to work things out with Vince is they not offering the right kind of monetary contract. I was raising my family. I had two boys at home and I was pretty well set in Atlanta. I had two health clubs. Lex (Luger) had all that too, but he left (to WWE). That was his choice. My choice was to stay because every time we would have to renegotiate a new contract with WCW they always ended up giving pretty much what I wanted. I told them I was going to talk to Vince or had talked to him and I would take my chances up in New York. The other thing is I always believed Vince wanted me more to undermine WCW than me as a talent.

I’ve talked to Vince a few times since WCW was purchased by him. The first time we talked, we were real close to a deal. But he wanted it now and we were trying to put this thing together. It was three weeks before Wrestlemania that particular year (2002) and he just said, ‘I need to know whether you can do this. Let’s try to hash this out.’ He was accommodating and gracious and said he would try to do just about whatever to make it work. But by the time WWE attorneys start talking to my attorney, it just doesn’t go quickly enough. They talked almost every day for a week, and at the end of the week, I had to call Vince and say, ‘We can’t do this as quickly as you want to do it. I feel I can’t give you the most bang for your buck right now and I am not ready physically. I need more than three weeks.’ He said I’m the only guy who always manages to slip through his fingers. It was funny to hear him say that. He’s always been good to me. I’ve never worked for him, but in the conversations we’ve had over the years, he’s been really good to me.

We talked again recently. I think they got wind I was talking with TNA. Every time you hear or read about something on the internet quoting Eric Bischoff or Jim Ross or whoever, it’s always, ‘We believe his religious beliefs will stop him from ever going back into wrestling.’ It’s funny because I’ve always said I would never close the door on it and it’s something I would consider.

The problem was I could not make the commitment they needed. They wanted to go all the way with the Sting character. Whether you’re on the Raw or Smackdown schedule, both are about the same. It boils down to 12 to 15 days a month approximately on the road. That doesn’t include dark days, travel days, etc. In 2006, they’re going to leave the country more times than they ever have. I talked to Shawn (Michaels) a few weeks ago when they just got back from Iraq. He had been out of the country three times in four weeks. I had my day where I ran really hard and did 300-something days a year. At my age, I cannot do it. I don’t want to make that kind of commitment. My oldest son is 15 and I have another who is 13 and a daughter who is five. There’s too many things I’m doing here where I have a life outside of wrestling.

So according to him, its mainly the WWE schedule, which I'm guessing he can't get a lighter one from WWE than the one he has for TNA. Its been 5 years now and I think his stance is still the same. Its getting to the point where if he does come, it'll be too late for him to wrestle so all can he can do is a DVD feature and getting inducted into the Hall of Fame.

[chapin]

competition is good for all....but TNA is their own worst enemy, letting their inferiority complex get the better of them

Amen brother

[chapin]

JBL would have made a great full time commentator...better than Booker IMO.

Yep, JBL was a great commentator. It's awesome to have Booker back on the WWE but he needs to improve his skills on comentar in my opinion..

[Pink Ranger]

From a 2006 interview:



So according to him, its mainly the WWE schedule, which I'm guessing he can't get a lighter one from WWE than the one he has for TNA. Its been 5 years now and I think his stance is still the same. Its getting to the point where if he does come, it'll be too late for him to wrestle so all can he can do is a DVD feature and getting inducted into the Hall of Fame.

It's encouraging at least to hear about a wrestler who knew how to manage his money properly, and is thus able to dictate his later years under his own terms.

[RetroNaz]

It sounds like a lot of the newer generation guys are a lot better at managing their money these days.

I think the old era stars were hopeless with their cash when they were allowed to give into their demons without repercussions on their status with the company...

[BlackLantern]

yea...and guys today have seen those examples and learned from them...JBL being a prime example of learning the lesson in time and totally turning it around

come back, JBL....if only for an appearance to call John Cenas mom a whore

[RetroNaz]

Proceeded with goose stepping

[BlackLantern]

of course

[Metallo]

Dixie maintains that Russo is doing a good job with TNA creative - which blows me away completely. I guess Russo books well/looks after the right top stars who then have the clout to tell Dixie that he is doing a great job.

I believe that TNA are happy with the level they are at. There hasn't been a focus on making major changes to the brand outside of some big name signings and attempted big angle story lines. They don't seem serious enough, or focused enough, or savy enough to be trying to make their company bigger.

I think Russo is doing more to her with his silver tongue than just talking. I've never seen anyone in the business live off of something they had VERY little to do with from 15 years ago the way Russo has. He was exposed as a fraud ten years ago and yet he's still around in the business.

Nobody with real POWER in TNA cares enough to point out that Russo is full of it. If Angle, Sting, Hogan, and a few other top guys made an ultimatum Russo would be gone. I'd even tolerate some of Hogans bs if he had demanded Russo be fired from TNA. I think a lot of people were hoping that was going to happen. Even Cornette said so I think.

Of course even WWE and Vince briefly hired Russo back in the 2000s. Then somebody wised up.

Certain people in TNA are happy at the level TNA is at just as long as they make a paycheck. The younger talent and Dixie Carter want the company to grow. Its people like Russo that don't care.




bingo, bingo, x2

the brand is the selling point, I think Vince went that way because Hogan burned him all those years back, and the Rock, to an extent...he can stand there and say its great for Johnson to do what he's doing, but he lost a top draw still in his prime

that has to sting

It wasn't just Hogan and Rock but many top guys. There will be no more Bret Hart or Kliq situations where the talent gains considerable creative power. We'll never see another Rick Rude on Raw and Nitro at the same time situation either. it kills the spontaneity and unpredictability of the business but Vince has these guys locked in so he has almost total control.

As big as Cena is he hasn't established a name for himself outside of WWE the way The Rock and Hogan have. Not that he'd ever leave anyway but if he did he'd have a harder time succeeded outside of WWE. Thats why I always say he's one of the most manufactured WWE champions ever. They really made him from the ground up more than any guy before him. He was the first top guy to be so heavily groomed by WWE developmental. Anything media related he does is controlled by Vince. All his movies are made by Vince. He's got that WWE brand stamped on him hard.





He's spoke about that in recent interviews. He doesn't hate TNA, he just doesn't believe they are trying to be a good company and instead invest too much time comparing themselves to WWE which comes off as second rate all the time.

I think we'd find most guys in the wrestling biz WANT TNA to succeed to some degree. Business picks up, everyone gets paid/more money.

In order for the business as a whole and even WWE to get better there has to be more than one company around. The past is proof of that.

By the time some guys came from The AWA, WCW, ECW they already had some diverse experience. They didn't have to be taught the basics. Jericho is a prime example. They don't even have a place to pick announcer talent from the way they did with mean Gene from the AWA and Jim Ross from WCW.

TNA is valuable to WWE even if its as just a breeding ground for talent.




No doubt about it. But he's certainly not anywhere near as good as he used to be and for the casual fan who couldn't give a crap about his past accolades - would just be left wondering what a man is doing wrestling that's half a century old and wearing crow makeup doing in a ring, and looking strong against his younger, more athletic opponents, Ditto for Hogan, Flair, etc

Stings willing to retire and would have if Flair hadn't come to TNA. Its time for the older guys to retire from the ring. PAST time actually. Stings not a Hogan type though who desperately hangs on.




JBL would have made a great full time commentator...better than Booker IMO.

I wish more than anything he had stayed on and done that. he was a great heel color commentator. he made Cole tolerable.




From a 2006 interview:



So according to him, its mainly the WWE schedule, which I'm guessing he can't get a lighter one from WWE than the one he has for TNA. Its been 5 years now and I think his stance is still the same. Its getting to the point where if he does come, it'll be too late for him to wrestle so all can he can do is a DVD feature and getting inducted into the Hall of Fame.

if WWE wanted him badly enough they should have given him whatever he wanted. WWE has plenty of money to throw at him obviously but they should have given him the lighter dates. I'm not sure they really did want him that badly or if people just blew the initial 2-21 videos way out of proportion. There were reports that Vince wanted Sting but that was just internet gossip.

If they wanted him they should have given him the lightest schedule possible. I KNEW that would be a sticking point for him. If he was ever going to come to WWE it was going to be on his terms. He's at a point in his life where he wants to be with his family and not on the road a lot and the only reason he'd come to WWE is if he wanted to not money.

I wonder if the plans for a WCW themed HOF fell apart a little because plans for Sting fell through early?

[RetroNaz]

Probably. Everything was perfect even down to the appropriate setting.

Oh well, I guess we can just keep the dream alive and hope that Sting comes to WWE. And typical of all things in wrestling these days, it will happen when nobody cares anymore.

[BlackLantern]

which leads me to believe that while Vince may have wanted Sting, there is that line he will not cross, that inch he will not give to the talent, regardless of who it is

[RetroNaz]

Chris Jericho appeared on G4's "Attack of the Show" on Tuesday night to promote the "Undisputed" book. He spoke about not being able to refer to the WWE title belts as belts any longer. "The Vince McMahon verdict is 'title,'" Jericho said. You can watch the full video
www.G4tv.com/videos/51388/WWEs_Chris_Jericho_Talks_Undisputed_Book/.

[Metallo]

Probably. Everything was perfect even down to the appropriate setting.

Oh well, I guess we can just keep the dream alive and hope that Sting comes to WWE. And typical of all things in wrestling these days, it will happen when nobody cares anymore.

Its too bad they didn't go full hog with the WCW theme but then again part of me didn't expect Vince to. I figured him having HBK headline was going to be his way of rubbing in WWE's superiority and who won the war.

As far as Sting in WWE the longer it takes for it to happen the less I care. People were right when they said this really is the last real opportunity to get anything close to the Sting we WANT to see in WWE. He's not getting any younger and some of the matches long time fans of Sting want to see are becoming less and less likely with each year.





which leads me to believe that while Vince may have wanted Sting, there is that line he will not cross, that inch he will not give to the talent, regardless of who it is

Vince is a control freak. He's never going to give full control or even a majority of control and if he does he could easily go back on his word. Thats why after he first pitched the idea of the HOF induction to Warrior he waited for Warrior to be the one to ask for it and want it. When Warrior didn't respond that way and laid out what kind of business deal he wanted Vince balked.

McMahon is one of the most competitive people I've ever seen. Thats why he's a sucess. His own macho A type personality demands that he dictates the terms.





Chris Jericho appeared on G4's "Attack of the Show" on Tuesday night to promote the "Undisputed" book. He spoke about not being able to refer to the WWE title belts as belts any longer. "The Vince McMahon verdict is 'title,'" Jericho said. You can watch the full video
www.G4tv.com/videos/51388/WWEs_Chris_Jericho_Talks_Undisputed_Book/ (http://www.g4tv.com/videos/51388/WWEs_Chris_Jericho_Talks_Undisputed_Book/).


I've heard someone say that about Vince's stance on "titles" vs "belts" before too. It may have been Jericho. I sort of agree but I don't think its that big a deal.

Its another one of his ways to condition the audience mentally. Thats why "wrestling" is always "sports entertainment" and "wrestlers" are "superstars." It seems like its a rule that Vince lays down that he wants to be followed.

I think its a good thing to make WWE unique but sometimes that rigid devotion to not deviate from those terms at all just comes off as ridiculous to me.

[Metallo]

The talk of a WCW themed WWE HOf has me thinking.

Who would you guys pick to fill out that class?

Sting - the headliner for this class

The Road Warriors - one of the greatest tag teams ever. Also known to WWE audiences.

Lex Luger - An inspirational story - known to WWE audiences.

Arn Anderson - had a decent tag team run in WWE. Ideally he'd go in with the Horsemen but if not he still deserves to go in on his own.

Ron Simmons - first black NWA champion. Thats a big deal. Well known to WWE audiences.

Vader - One of the best monster heels of al time. Had a run in WWE.

Booker T is a possibility since people know him from WWE as well.

I'm leaning towards Rick Rude but his WWE accomplishments alone make him a good fit for a regular WWE themed HOF class.

[Hunter Rider]

Guys like Sting and Ric Flair and Hogan just can't let it go. They'll always get the big crowd pops which will make them feel relevant, but at the end of the day they don't add anything to the product other than "oh it's THAT guy" recognition.

In the real world, a 50+ year old man has no role IN a ring. Outside of it is another matter entirely, but they should not be wrestling.

It's just another cartoony notch to add to the professional wrestling belt IMO.

The thing that surrpises me about Sting in relation to this is both Hogan and Flair have fractured lives and financial issues away from the ring, but Sting is a happy family man like Shawn.

bingo, bingo, x2

the brand is the selling point, I think Vince went that way because Hogan burned him all those years back, and the Rock, to an extent...he can stand there and say its great for Johnson to do what he's doing, but he lost a top draw still in his prime

that has to sting

You can add Lesnar to that list, I think he was the final straw and that is why Orton and Cena are so cotnrolled in comparison to the former top stars.

Actually Sting CAN let go. If Dixie wasn't so adamant about bringing him back all the time that man would be content to sit at home and enjoy his life.

He doesn't need to come back though, it's simply a money choice clearly.

The older fans are going to know who Sting is but some of them won't care. And most under the age of 13 will have no clue who Sting is. I think the best estimate would be half of WWE's audience would have some meaningful knowledge of Sting from watching WCW when they were younger, WWE dvds, watching TNA, etc.

Honestly I think Sting trancends the generation issue, he's one of those major stars in the business that will make an impact whenever he arrives no matter how long it has been.

Something like that would require time and commitment in the ring from Sting and I'm just not sure he'd be willing to commit that much time for that many matches.

For a one year run I can't see WWE getting anything more than 12 matches a year out of Sting and even most of those would be short and light matches. I think the only reason they got as much as they did out of Hogan was because he was under a regular contract. Sting would want something special and he's older now than Hogan was in 2002.

Yeah it seems to all boil down to how many dates Sting wants to do.

It's a shame, Sting is on my all time top ten list and I'd lvoe tos ee him wrap up his career with a short WWE run, a 3 disc set and a HOF induction.


Its not going to do much for TNA as a whole but it could help Jeff as a heel and that in turn could help the TNA show long term. A show is only as good as its talents in some ways. Even with good writing if Hardy's heel act doesn't get some steam behind it they aren't going to do anything either. Unlike a lot of the other guys Hardy has beaten Sting is more of a big name and has a more established persona. Hardy beating Sting is going to do more for him than beating Anderson or Morgan don't you think? What credibility do wins over those guys give Hardy?

I honestly don't think it matters who jobs to Jeff, TNA have no capability to present it as mattering, and they never will as long as their show is held in a dingy little sound stage that makes the show look like a tourist attraction with no real atmosphere or emotion.

Triple H got a good pop (he's gotten better before though) but this whole thing is so predicable. The fact is HHH is no Shawn Michaels in the ring or even when it comes to creative ideas. The match feels thrown together to help save Mania because its short on marquee matches.

WWE threw logic out the window to make it. The HHH I know wouldn't just forget about the guy who tried to cripple him and end his career and the Taker I know would want revenge on the men who buried him alive. Its just stupid that they suddenly forget all that. Certainly that HHH did.

I agree with all of this and there is a lot of work to do to even sell this as important, and that is before we get to the dubious quality of the match, given how busted the two are.

He made more than his WWE counterparts in the early days but not nearly as much as he made later. In those early years I think it was more about loyalty than money for him. Its not a case like Kevin Nash were it was ALL about money.

Nash can lie all he wants to but his talk of wanting to go back to WWE because Vince made him doesn't hold water to me because he wasn't loyal to Vince when Vince needed Nash most in 1996.

I think Sting knows he can write his own ticket in TNA. Decent money for not many dates and he calls the shots. In WWE Vince still calls the shots no matter what promise he makes Sting. I think Wylie is right Sting doesn't trust Vince because he knows thats true.

I think you are right that in the early years it was about loyalty, but in the in the years after Hogan joined it was a money issue, and possibly the worry over Vince's motivations for wanting him and how he would subsequently be booked.

[chapin]

when's the taping for the March 3rd TNA show with the "huge shocking surprise"?

[chapin]

when's the taping for the March 3rd TNA show with the "huge shocking surprise"?

[BlackLantern]

aren't they taping an Impact in like North Carolina or something next week?

[louiebling$]

My 2 Best Friends with Kelly Kelly:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/thizzkid707/IMG_20110222_221022.jpg

Me and my best friend with the SD crew:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/thizzkid707/IMG_20110222_231150.jpg

[Nightwing]

Baretta!

And Christian looks like he's glowing.

[Metallo]

The thing that surrpises me about Sting in relation to this is both Hogan and Flair have fractured lives and financial issues away from the ring, but Sting is a happy family man like Shawn.

I think Sting just wants to give back to a small company and help it grow. Theres a monopoly that wasn't around when Sting was in his prime.

Shawn's spent a lot more time on the road in the last decade while Sting hasn't and Shawn's kids are much younger than Stings two oldest boys. Shawn said his kids are still young enough that he can watch them grow up so he knew it was time to hang em up for good. He's got zero left to prove because he's already shown he's the best ever in the ring. WWE doesn't need him. Its already reached the peaks of success.

I think if Sting is asked to do few dates he's still willing to work some plus I think he really likes Dixie Carter as a person. She doesn't have a mind for business but on a personal level she seems to be more caring and genuine than Vince McMahon. I think besides being shrewd in business Vince can't relate to the common person anymore. I was listening to this Al Snow shoot and I just had to do a WTF on this story Al told about Vince starting a conversation with him.



You can add Lesnar to that list, I think he was the final straw and that is why Orton and Cena are so controlled in comparison to the former top stars.

I think so. Lesnar is the last guy I can think of where they really gave the moon to him. That last old school way of strongly and steadily building a star. Thats probably why they are treating guys like Sheamus the way they are. Sheamus looks like a monster of a man but he's being broken down mentally and made to know his place.



He doesn't need to come back though, it's simply a money choice clearly.

I think its just a great deal where he can call his own shots. If it was a sour deal in any way he wouldn't come back even if the money was good. Plus Dixie probably makes him feel welcome. That never hurts.



Honestly I think Sting trancends the generation issue, he's one of those major stars in the business that will make an impact whenever he arrives no matter how long it has been.

I think he does for a certain age group and while he would be an interesting character I just don't think the younger kids would care. When the Rock returned some of those kids were booing the Rock. Brets return didn't get the response it should have and he was a WWE legend and a great champion. I'm not sure Sting would get the proper response from some of the younger audience. WWE has conditioned them to think anyone outside of WWE doesn't matter and since they have very little knowledge of who Sting is thats only going to be magnified.

He'd make an impact but it wouldn't be immediate with the entire audience. With the way WWE creative is these days I have even more doubts. Stings never been heavy ideas guy. Working with Taker would ease that problem though. With anyone else? Just not sure. Cena is also a guy who's never been one to have heavy creative input.



Yeah it seems to all boil down to how many dates Sting wants to do.


Vince should have conceded. This is a case of Vince's ego not allowing him to bend.



It's a shame, Sting is on my all time top ten list and I'd lvoe tos ee him wrap up his career with a short WWE run, a 3 disc set and a HOF induction.

Yeah so would I but as more and more time goes on its less and less of an environment that I'm dying to see him in. I'd be a lot more happy if he had come to WWE in 2005 vs 2011.


I honestly don't think it matters who jobs to Jeff, TNA have no capability to present it as mattering, and they never will as long as their show is held in a dingy little sound stage that makes the show look like a tourist attraction with no real atmosphere or emotion.

I think in the audiences mind someone like Sting is still going to matter more than someone like Matt Morgan. Sting still has a track record in peoples minds and thats not something any company can change. What has a Matt Morgan or Mr Anderson done compared to Sting? TNA is not going to be able to promote that as much but its still there.



I agree with all of this and there is a lot of work to do to even sell this as important, and that is before we get to the dubious quality of the match, given how busted the two are.

Triple H looks way to heavy considering how much wear and tear is on him. I can't imagine him being MORE mobile with that kind of mass. I thought the way he looked before he got hurt this last time was great.



I think you are right that in the early years it was about loyalty, but in the in the years after Hogan joined it was a money issue, and possibly the worry over Vince's motivations for wanting him and how he would subsequently be booked.

Stings his own man and I think he likes it that way. Even if Vince promised to use him well he wouldn't have the freedom he's probably used to. And he doesn't NEED that WWE spotlight like some guys and he certainly doesn't need the money. Vince doesn't "care" about Sting. He just cares about how good of a show Sting can help put on and how much money Sting can make him. Sting doesn't need to put himself through that at this point.

HHH going non a WWE dvd and saying Sting never hit the same level without Flair probably isn't the kind of WWE message Sting would like to hear. That made me LOL cause Stings drawn more money than HHH ever has.

I suppose Sting could go to WWE to "give back to the fans" but really he's already given us plenty. The guys knees are probably horrible right now and in his prime he was always a good solder, never politiced like certain people in WCW, and spent just as much time on the road as anyone. He gave me plenty of great matches that I'll always remember and nothings ever going to change that.

In his prime he was the face of WCW and a workhorse and he helped keep it afloat until they saw major success. Other people f***ed that up not him. How much does he really "owe" us at this point? He's been in the business over 25 years and owes himself to be happy. Whatever he wants to do its not my place to tell him he's wrong.

[Metallo]

My 2 Best Friends with Kelly Kelly:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/thizzkid707/IMG_20110222_221022.jpg

Me and my best friend with the SD crew:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/thizzkid707/IMG_20110222_231150.jpg

I think we'd all like to climb K2!

I almost didn't recognize Hawkins.
Edge and Christian sound like two cool guys who appreciate the fans support.

[louiebling$]

Yea I definitly have a hellava lot more respect for Edge and Christian now... they were really cool

[BlackLantern]

so if someone kowtows to your petty whims and takes a picture, that gets them your respect??

:oldrazz:

[Metallo]

so if someone kowtows to your petty whims and takes a picture, that gets them your respect??

:oldrazz:

Its probably better than being told to f*** off :funny:

[BlackLantern]

Its probably better than being told to f*** off :funny:

it's a sad commentary when folks expect that more than friendliness

[louiebling$]

No the fact that they were really cool and had a conversation with me. Kofi was a Dick and Hawkins and Baretta didn't say a word to us so yea... I have more repesct for Edge and Christian :o

[Nightwing]

No the fact that they were really cool and had a conversation with me. Kofi was a Dick and Hawkins and Baretta didn't say a word to us so yea... I have more repesct for Edge and Christian :o
What did they say? And why was Kofi a dick? :lmao:

[chapin]

Hopefully Christian can be ready for WM

[BlackLantern]

maybe....he's still rehabbing, but I don't see him getting in a match at Mania...maybe another run in or something

[Pink Ranger]

No the fact that they were really cool and had a conversation with me. Kofi was a Dick and Hawkins and Baretta didn't say a word to us so yea... I have more repesct for Edge and Christian :o

Did you make a joke about having "the benefit of flash photography?"

[chapin]

maybe....he's still rehabbing, but I don't see him getting in a match at Mania...maybe another run in or something

that sucks

[Nightmare]

Whoa, in n out with wwe stars!

[BlackLantern]

that sucks

id prefer he take the time, make sure he's healed up right

torn muscle is an injury you do not want to rush

[Metallo]

Whoa, in n out with wwe stars!

Reminds me of Sunny.

[Slushy]

The talk of a WCW themed WWE HOf has me thinking.

Who would you guys pick to fill out that class?


Sting
Lex Luger
Ron Simmons
Vader
Road Warriors
Arn Anderson
Dallas Page
Dean Malenko
Eric Bischoff


Kofi was a Dick and Hawkins and Baretta didn't say a word to us so yea


I'm surprised to read that. I was lucky enough to meet Kofi a few times and he was one of the nicest guys I ever met. We even talked about Super Street Fighter IV and he said Ken was always his favorite. I guess you caught him on a bad night.

[louiebling$]

What did they say? And why was Kofi a dick? :lmao:
They were hating on me for wearing a Nexus shirt lol and Kofi woulndt say a word to me I spoke right to him and he looked at like I was dumb ... weird thing though was he was still wearing his arm brace so I guess he is really trying to sell this injury
Did you make a joke about having "the benefit of flash photography?" no I made the stupid decison to say Nexus were good heels and Edge was all over me for it lol

Whoa, in n out with wwe stars!

Yea it pretty damn awesome... won't forget this night :up:

[chapin]

Yea it pretty damn awesome... won't forget this night :up:

sounds amazing man

[Nightwing]

Glad you had a good time, louie. :up:

RAW scored a huge rating this week:

- Last night's episode of WWE Monday Night RAW with the returns of Triple H and The Undertaker scored a 3.9 cable rating with 5.8 million viewers, according to Jim Ross on his Twitter. This is the best number for RAW in a while.

[Dr. Evil]

If the WWE inducts a celebrity into its Hall of Fame this year....it needs to be Cindy Lauper.

[SuperFerret]

it's a sad commentary when folks expect that more than friendliness

People who expect that should just go f*** off.

[Nightmare]

If the WWE inducts a celebrity into its Hall of Fame this year....it needs to be Cindy Lauper.

I'd love to see that.

[Hotwire]

Anyone going to be at Raw this Monday? If so, you think you can start a "Peek-A-Boo" chant, or maybe just yell, "Peek-A-Boo!" when Cena does his You Can't See Me??

[Darkness Falls]

i love that fruity pebbles is now a sponser :D

[NDX]

...curt and trent were just quiet

That's because everyone ignored them. You should have gotten them to open up. Probably never met a fan before.

[Pink Ranger]

That's because everyone ignored them. You should have gotten them to open up. Probably never met a fan before.

Hey come on man. There's being right, and being nice. :hehe:

[Mr.Webs]

People who expect that should just go f*** off. :hehe: