State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 2

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[Doctor Jones]

I've thought about that myself, but I doubt it. There is an expectation to Hulk. Even with post TDK, I don't think audience would still be looking for a more cerebral Hulk film.

[Mario_Galaxy]

James Dean didn't really impress me as an actor.
Swingers was nothing special

[A Necessary Evil]

I've thought about that myself, but I doubt it. There is an expectation to Hulk. Even with post TDK, I don't think audience would still be looking for a more cerebral Hulk film.

Which is true...however....unfortunately.

[gwynplaine]

I liked the movie but didn't love it, but I still think that Mark Ruffalo and Ben Kingsley were both really great in Shutter Island and deserved a best supporting actor nomination at the Oscars this year.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Ruffalo does with Bruce Banner. I liked Bana but thought he was a bit miscast and Norton, even though he seemed like a better fit for the role, didn't do much for me. Oh and Ang Lee's Hulk as flawed as it is is still better than TIH.

[A Necessary Evil]

Yuss, I'm very excited to see Ruffalo as banner :up:

Let's just hope he can break the hulk curse. :o

[Gentleman Owl]

James Bond sucks.
Never Let Me Go was a poor rip off of Unwind and made perhaps one of the most exciting and most haunting novels I ever read, insanely ****ing boring.

[El Payaso]

Yuss, I'm very excited to see Ruffalo as banner :up:

Let's just hope he can break the hulk curse. :o

Nothing against Ruffalo but I think being part of the Avengers is the worst thing for the Hulk.

[Ipodman]

Out of the 3, Edward Norton LOOKS most like Bruce Banner to me...

[El Payaso]

Out of the 3, Edward Norton LOOKS most like Bruce Banner to me...

True.

[Dark Victory]

. I prefer The Blob remake over Carpenter's Thing

. Naked Lunch is Cronenberg's best movie

[Tron Bonne]

James Bond sucks.
Never Let Me Go was a poor rip off of Unwind and made perhaps one of the most exciting and most haunting novels I ever read, insanely ****ing boring.

Never Let Me Go came out before Unwind.

[Gentleman Owl]

...Huh?

Unwind was published in 2007. .N.ever Let .Me. go came out in 201.0.

[Tron Bonne]

The novel in which Never Let Me Go is based came out in 2005

[Gentleman Owl]

And is the film actually anything like the novel?

[Tron Bonne]

Haven't watched either, but the general consensus seems to say so, yes. Can't think of anything that's been said that states the film shifts the story to any radical degree.

[Gentleman Owl]

Fair enough, then I was incorrect in the 'rip off of Unwind' comment. However I still think Unwind was a better story, even if that was technically the rip off.

[gwynplaine]

Haven't watched either, but the general consensus seems to say so, yes.Can't think of anything that's been said that states the film shifts the story to any radical degree.
The book is better as is often the case, but the film is actually pretty good too. Specially the acting and the visuals. Garfield and Mulligan are great (Knightley a little less) and Romanek is a really good director.
It might be a little slow and long, but the emotion is there.

_ I didn't think Paul was very good. Unfortunately, it seems that each new Pegg/Frost movie is inferior to the previous one (granted they started pretty high with Shaun).
I hope they reverse the pattern with the next one, because they make a really good comedic duo.

[Parker Wayne]

James Bond sucks.


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[WalkingDeadMike]

I have to agree, I find Bond movies to be really boring.

[Tron Bonne]

I never cared much for Bond, either :o

[Parker Wayne]

Guys added to my hit list:

Gentlemen Owl
WalkingDeadMike
Tron Bonne :o

[Tron Bonne]

Add me all you want, you can't take me

[Gentleman Owl]

I think this is the second time I've been put on this list lol.

[Parker Wayne]

Add me all you want, you can't take me

Once again......

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I think this is the second time I've been put on this list lol.

:funny:

[Tron Bonne]

The hell, you put me on your list; you come at me, foo'!

[Gentleman Owl]

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[Parker Wayne]

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Oh, that's right, with an even bigger badass

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[Parker Wayne]

The hell, you put me on your list; you come at me, foo'!

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[Gentleman Owl]

How am I gonna top that?



Oh, that's right, with an even bigger badass

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[Spider-Fan]

I don't care what ya'll say, I like The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions!!!

[Gentleman Owl]

My favourite Matrix scene of all time was the Motorway scene from the second movie. I don't think any set piece in any of the movies actually topped that scene.

[WalkingDeadMike]

I don't care what ya'll say, I like The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions!!!

Reloaded was good, but Revolutions was horrendous IMO.

[Parker Wayne]

Son now biatch! http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5062708/come-at-me-bro.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Come-at-me-bro

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I win. #Winning

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't care what ya'll say, I like The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions!!!

:up:

[Xtroid]

Bourne movies suck. Two hours of Matt Damon running around, and we can barely see what's going for most of the time. What's all fuss about with Ultimatium? It's a rehash of the second movie.

[Gentleman Owl]

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I win. #Winning

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[Bunker]

Scary Movie 3 is legitimately funny.

[gwynplaine]

Scary Movie 3 is legitimately funny.
I agree. I find most of them reasonably funny actually.

[gwynplaine]

Bourne movies suck. Two hours of Matt Damon running around, and we can barely see what's going for most of the time. What's all fuss about with Ultimatium? It's a rehash of the second movie.
Besides a few scenes here and there, I don't see what's so great about them either.
People were saying that Casino Royale was taking its cues from the Bourne movies. It might be more or less true but I much prefer CR than any of the Bourne movies.

[gwynplaine]

Edit.

[Parker Wayne]

Besides a few scenes here and there, I don't see what's so great about them either.
People were saying that Casino Royale was taking its cues from the Bourne movies. It might be more or less true but I much prefer CR than any of the Bourne movies.

But Casino Royale doesn't really have any Shakey-cam.

And with Sam Mendes directing Bond 23 I doubt that will have any Shaken Cam.

[gwynplaine]

But Casino Royale doesn't really have any Shakey-cam.

And with Sam Mendes directing Bond 23 I doubt that will have any Shaken Cam.
I am looking forward to it:up:.

[Doctor Jones]

Thank God it's all back on track. Javier Bardem and Fiennes as potential roles in this film makes me even more excited. A nice change would be Fiennes being a fellow agent.

[gwynplaine]

Cool, I didn't know they were involved. I'd love to see Bardem in a "Red Grant" type of role.

[Figs]

Thank God it's all back on track. Javier Bardem and Fiennes as potential roles in this film makes me even more excited. A nice change would be Fiennes being a fellow agent.

I like this. Now the question is, would you want him to be loyal or be more like Trevelyan?


Unpopular opinion...

I'm not all that excited for Super 8.

[Bunker]

Big Daddy warehouse scene in Kick-Ass > every action sequence in TDK and Begins. Nolan's action scenes are incredibly lifeless.

[Mario_Galaxy]

^Nolan's definitely not the best at it. I did like the action sequences in Inception, though

[Dark Victory]

Big Daddy warehouse scene in Kick-Ass > every action sequence in TDK and Begins. Nolan's action scenes are incredibly lifeless.

I need to watch BB and TDK again, but I thought that particular scene was awful. The abundance of jump cuts was really distracting and didn't give the scene any fluid feeling, as if Vaughan wanted the audience to know the whole scene was assembled from different takes. I get that he wanted the scene to give Big Daddy an almost superhuman ability to carry out his retribution, but that doesn't mean there needs to be a new frame every other second.

Also, I'm surprised that it doesn't receive the same criticism of the infamous keyhole sequence shot in TF 2. Both scenes break the rules of the established POV, which can be seen as textbook indulgence on the filmmakers' part. IMO, It wouldn't been much more interesting if Vaughan could have captured the scene differently, be it sticking to regular narrative, some other form of the POV, etc.

[Doctor Jones]

Cool, I didn't know they were involved. I'd love to see Bardem in a "Red Grant" type of role.

I'd love to see this. I want another Red Grant type but of course completely its own thing.

I like this. Now the question is, would you want him to be loyal or be more like Trevelyan?


Unpopular opinion...

I'm not all that excited for Super 8.

I think loyal would be a good change of pace for him. He's so associated to villainous roles. I mean most people know him as Voldemort. I'd be great from an audience's perspective. The audience would be thinking when the hell he turns out to be the bad guy but when in fact, he's loyal to Bond. Fiennes has that edge and that twinkle in his eye that makes you buy him as the bad guy. Apply that to a loyal role and that's interesting.

And not excited for Super 8? :csad: I'm more excited for that than I am for Thor and GL right now. Cap is pretty much my most anticipated now. I can't wait for that goddamn trailer.

[Figs]

I think loyal would be a good change of pace for him. He's so associated to villainous roles. I mean most people know him as Voldemort. I'd be great from an audience's perspective. The audience would be thinking when the hell he turns out to be the bad guy but when in fact, he's loyal to Bond. Fiennes has that edge and that twinkle in his eye that makes you buy him as the bad guy. Apply that to a loyal role and that's interesting.

That's a pretty good idea and I agree that Fiennes has that edge and that look, that makes you think he's a bad guy. I haven't seen him in too many movies where he looked completely nice and honest.

And not excited for Super 8? :csad: I'm more excited for that than I am for Thor and GL right now. Cap is pretty much my most anticipated now. I can't wait for that goddamn trailer.

I don't know, I love the Spielberg feel to it, a throwback to his older films like ET and Close Encounters, but I'm just not amped up for it. I'm more excited for X-men, Cap and Thor right now. I also want to see GL but they need to release a hopefully better trailer.

[Parker Wayne]

^Nolan's definitely not the best at it. I did like the action sequences in Inception, though

The sequence in Inception are a step up.

It feels as though Nolan films it that way because Batman's fighting style in the suit is pretty one-dimensional (I don't think you can still Kill in the Batsuit)

[CelticPredator]

Test....

[CelticPredator]

Test....

[Parker Wayne]

:huh:

[CelticPredator]

Sorry about that. I tried posting in 2 threads, and I got the "THREAD DOES NOT EXIST" message. I found it weird when it was 2 threads, that were pretty random. They still exist on my page.

Move along. :D

[CelticPredator]

Double the post = double the fun....:o

[Parker Wayne]

haha okay. By the way since you the new Captain America trailer came out, it's gonna suck when you get a thousand requests to do another f**k yeah video. :funny:

[CelticPredator]

It's already happend :o

I'm just waiting for the trailer. :hehe:

[Parker Wayne]

Funny you say that....

7BBXXnYoIVo

Unless you're waiting for the offical Marvel trailer for HD.

[Parker Wayne]

Anyway, back to unpopular opinions.

- Even though I think the Social Network was a better movie, I'm not mad over The King's Speech winning. I think it's because I think it's a better BP film than Hurt Locker and Slumdog Millionaire.

[CelticPredator]

Offical please.

And to add that, The King's Speech IMO was better. Only because TSN has been way overrated. Not it's fault. Good movie. Great morality tale...but nothing more. Same with TKS. But people didnt overrate that, except critics. Atleast they didnt call it a movie that defines our generation. :o

Personally, Inception was my favorite...:o

And I'm glad The Hurt Locker won. It was not the best movie....but it was between that and Avatar....and a big HELL NO to Avatar. :hehe:

[gwynplaine]

Big Daddy warehouse scene in Kick-Ass > every action sequence in TDK and Begins. Nolan's action scenes are incredibly lifeless.
Maybe but the movie itself wasn't very good. Also I wish Vaughn had been a little more original in his choice of music for the scene and not just recycled 28 Days Later's great score. Anyway, I really liked that scene too and Cage as Big Daddy in general, but that's pretty much all I liked about the film though.

I'd love to see this. I want another Red Grant type but of course completely its own thing.

Yeah, I think Bardem could pull it off. Charming and scary at the same time. A physical as well as a psychological menace for Bond, like Robert Shaw was. But like you said its own thing of course.

I don't know, I love the Spielberg feel to it, a throwback to his older films like ET and Close Encounters, but I'm just not amped up for it. I'm more excited for X-men, Cap and Thor right now. I also want to see GL but they need to release a hopefully better trailer.
I love Old School Spielberg too of course but for some reasons, I'm not that pumped about Super 8 either. It feels like Abrahams is trying too hard to mimic the Master. I'll see it anyway, but I'm more excited for Cap and also GL actually (looking forward to seeing Campbell's first superhero movie.)


It feels as though Nolan films it that way because Batman's fighting style in the suit is pretty one-dimensional (I don't think you can still Kill in the Batsuit)
I didn't care for BB's fight scenes at all but I liked TDK's. The way Batman was always moving forward like a shark, breaking bones and neutralizing his opponents. And I love his fights with the Joker.
At the one at the fundraiser, The Joker reminded me of Alex in A Clockwork Orange and the final fight between them was great too.

[gwynplaine]

I really liked The Hurt Locker, but Avatar should have won Best Movie.

[CelticPredator]

Kick Ass is one of he best movies in the last 10 years. I will never get the hate for it. Ever.

And the thing is, Batman Begins is just so good in everyway, that the crappy fight scenes dont mean ****. I was more invested in Batman beginning that I didnt care about the action. Characters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Action scenes. :D

[CelticPredator]

I really liked The Hurt Locker, but Avatar should have won Best Movie.
How about no, Scott. :o

Avatar was a cool flick, that was very pretty, and impressive. And that's really it.

[gwynplaine]

I like a lot of things about BB, but what I like the most about it is that it perfectly set the stage for TDK. I saw BB maybe three times. But TDK I saw many more times and probably will keep on revisiting.
"The better the Villain, the better the film." Alfred Hitchcock:cwink:

[CelticPredator]

The better the film, the better the film. Batman Begins was the better film. :D

(another super unpopular opinion)

Joker was great, but re-watching Begins made me realize why I loved it so much....Bruce's rise. I loved the way it was done.

TDK is fantastic, but I do find it Nolan's worst flick. Not that, that means really anything...haha. But it's last on my list. :D

[gwynplaine]

How about no, Scott. :o

Avatar was a cool flick, that was very pretty, and impressive. And that's really it.
To each their own. And I agree with you Avatar was indeed a cool flick:up:

[CelticPredator]

I did enjoy it. The 3 hour cut more so. Made a HUGE difference for me. But I still dont think it was worthy of a nom....or 2 billion. :o

:D

[Parker Wayne]

Offical please.

And to add that, The King's Speech IMO was better. Only because TSN has been way overrated. Not it's fault. Good movie. Great morality tale...but nothing more. Same with TKS. But people didnt overrate that, except critics. Atleast they didnt call it a movie that defines our generation. :o

Personally, Inception was my favorite...:o

And I'm glad The Hurt Locker won. It was not the best movie....but it was between that and Avatar....and a big HELL NO to Avatar. :hehe:

It already is online. Uploading as I wrote this. :yay:

I really liked The Social Network and thought it was the best movie of last year (Even though Black Swan was my favorite of last year). I wouldn't say it defines a whole generation but does say something about people this generation.

It shows a great irony that a guy who creates a website about connecting and connections who wanted people to connect to each other couldn't connect to anyone beyond a superficial level. There are a lot of people like Mark who have same problem, and hide behind talking on the internet and spending all their time doing that. Even with the fame, he couldn't get what (or in this case, who) he truly wanted, which was Erica.

You know what? I think something that would be pretty interesting was how he starting dating her. :hehe:

Inception was a great movie, and I'm glad that it won several Oscars.

It was the same with me about Hurt Locker, but dammit Inglorious Basterds was the best film of 2009! And A Prophet should've won best forerign language film and gotten a best picture nomination.

But I didn't hate or even dislike Avatar. I liked it. The story was well-done despite being it being told over and over again. I didn't love it nor did I think it deserved a best picture nomination, but I enjoyed it for what it was.

[gwynplaine]

The better the film, the better the film. Batman Begins was the better film. :D

(another super unpopular opinion)

Joker was great, but re-watching Begins made me realize why I loved it so much....Bruce's rise. I loved the way it was done.

TDK is fantastic, but I do find it Nolan's worst flick. Not that, that means really anything...haha. But it's last on my list. :D
This is your thread, man:cwink:
I agree, TDK is fantastic (and it's cool that you're so passionate about BB:up:. There are worst movies to be passionate about:woot:)

[CelticPredator]

Inglorious! That should've ****ing won! Goddamn you for reminding me....:D

That and District 9 were the two best flicks that year. :D

But I agree with your assesment of TSN. It describes some people, but not the entire facebook generation. Most of them are not like us, and by us, I mean people who talk to many people on the internet.

They only talk to their friends mostly.

[CelticPredator]

This is your thread, man:cwink:
I agree, TDK is fantastic (and it's cool that you're so passionate about BB:up:. There are worst movies to be passionate about:woot:)
Like Ghost Rider?


:awesome:

[gwynplaine]

Inglorious! That should've ****ing won! Goddamn you for reminding me....:D

That and District 9 were the two best flicks that year. :D

But I agree with your assesment of TSN. It describes some people, but not the entire facebook generation. Most of them are not like us, and by us, I mean people who talk to many people on the internet.

They only talk to their friends mostly.
:up:

[gwynplaine]

Like Ghost Rider?


:awesome:
Haha:woot:

[Parker Wayne]

Inglorious! That should've ****ing won! Goddamn you for reminding me....:D

You have to remember.... The Academy hates Tarantino.

And with Nolan, I don't think the Academy hates them as much as just the older members of the Academy are still iffy on him because older audiences just aren't into his films, surprisingly.

[Gentleman Owl]

The sequence in Inception are a step up.

It feels as though Nolan films it that way because Batman's fighting style in the suit is pretty one-dimensional (I don't think you can still Kill in the Batsuit) Batman is one dimensional anyway. Although the Batman Universe is fascinating with its noir like city and awesome cast of villains, Batman himself is painfully boring.

[hammerhedd11]

I don't understand the love for Stardust. I love Gaiman and everything he does and I've enjoyed Vaughn's other two films, but I just found this poorly made and dull.

[gwynplaine]

Does anyone really love Stardust? A sub par, lame Princess Bride wannabe.

_ I wish Spielberg would do a horror film or a western and not War Horse.
_ I didn't really like The Last Crusade. Too comical and Indy's relationship with his father could have been better written imo. Temple of Doom was much better.
_ Munich is very underrated.
_ The first half of A.I is perfect. Then once Pinocchio, huh I mean the little robot enters the woods, it's all down hill from there.
_ I don't really like Close Encounters or Hook.
_ Sugarland Express and specially Duel are underrated too.

[Drizzle]

Speaking of controversial Spielberg opinions, I've got one too. I prefer the 20th anniversary cut of "E.T." over the theatrical version. I don't really care one way or another about the fact that the guns were replaced with walkie talkies. I thought that the CG added to E.T's face made him emote better and it also made him more adorable. :o

[Gentleman Owl]

I think ET is **** and hate most of Spielberg's movies. I think he's painfully overrated.

[Tron Bonne]

I think ET is **** and hate most of Spielberg's movies. I think he's painfully overrated.

Look, this is the unpopular opinion thread and all, but there's a limit man.

[Figs]

Munich is very underrated.

_ I don't really like Close Encounters or Hook.

I agree on Munich being underrated, but I love Close Encounters and Hook.

What didn't you like about CE?

[A Necessary Evil]

Other than JP, hook is my favorite by speilberg :csad:

[Drizzle]

I think ET is **** and hate most of Spielberg's movies. I think he's painfully overrated.
Go home.

[gwynplaine]

Look, this is the unpopular opinion thread and all, but there's a limit man.
Lol. Agreed:woot:

I agree on Munich being underrated, but I love Close Encounters and Hook.

What didn't you like about CE?
I thought it was a bit boring, but maybe after Duel, Sugarland Express and Jaws, my expectations were too high. (Also I might be wrong but I believe Spielberg wrote CE and I think he is a better director than writer.)
Anyway I still much prefer CE than Hook.
As for ET, it's great.

[Parker Wayne]

I think ET is **** and hate most of Spielberg's movies. I think he's painfully overrated.

I'm sorry, but there's unpopular and then there's just insanity, dumb, or just plain b******t opinions. Pick one.

[gwynplaine]

Other than JP, hook is my favorite by speilberg :csad:
To each their own:yay:

Go home.
Haha:woot:

[CelticPredator]

I think ET is **** and hate most of Spielberg's movies. I think he's painfully overrated.

Batman is one dimensional anyway. Although the Batman Universe is fascinating with its noir like city and awesome cast of villains, Batman himself is painfully boring.

This is the "Unpopular opinion thread" Not the "Totally wrong in every single way thread". :dry:

[Gentleman Owl]

Lol, if only I was trollin' this'd be kinda funny. But you guys are just kinda sad.

[Tron Bonne]

Coming from the guy who apparently considers ET ****, I don't think anyone will weep of your assessment.

[Parker Wayne]

Lol, if only I was trollin' this'd be kinda funny. But you guys are just kinda sad.

How is defending a guy who pretty much established the modern blockbuster and numerous classics that reach out to an outrageous wide range of audiences, along with influencing more modern day directors than possibly any other director sad? :huh:

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, I didn't even care about that Spielberg stuff. But ET ****? Overrated...well, okay, but no one can think ET is outright ****. No one. I refuse to believe and acknowledge.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, there are some movies that can't be acknowledged as ****. ET is one of them. I consider Rocky one of those movies too and I'm the same way with Rocky.

[WalkingDeadMike]

I liked ET when I was kid, but I don't think I'd like now.

Sorry Parker, but the entire Rocky franchise sucks.

[SuperFerret]

ET still holds up. It's A.I. that's utter ****. You're getting your initials mixed up.

[Gentleman Owl]

Yeah, I'd honestly put ET in my list of 'the most boring films of all time'.

[Bunker]

I'd honestly put you in my list of "most wrong opinion haver ever".

[Gentleman Owl]

Opinions can be wrong? Well...I guess they could be if I was like

'It's my opinion the sky is green!' but that's just stupid.

However I don't think I can be wrong when I personally say I dislike a movie and a director.

[Xtroid]

E.T. scared the crap out of me when I was a kid!

I prefer John Carpenter's Starman where the friendly alien is played by Jeff Bridges. :woot:

Jack Nitzsche's music is also stunning...

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[hammerhedd11]

Does anyone really love Stardust? A sub par, lame Princess Bride wannabe.


It got great reviews and I've constantly read that it's one of the best movies of the decade.

[Drizzle]

Lol, if only I was trollin' this'd be kinda funny. But you guys are just kinda sad.
You kinda were trolling. If you had said "I don't like E.T.", you wouldn't have got any backlash. But you said "E.T. was ****" so yeah, you kind of asked for it.

[danoyse]

Speaking of controversial Spielberg opinions, I've got one too. I prefer the 20th anniversary cut of "E.T." over the theatrical version. I don't really care one way or another about the fact that the guns were replaced with walkie talkies. I thought that the CG added to E.T's face made him emote better and it also made him more adorable. :o

I don't mind the 20th Anniversary cut because CG work on ET was terrific, but the walkie-talkie thing bugged me. First of all, their hands are still positioned like they're holding guns. Secondly, I know it was decided that having armed agents chasing children was a bit much for a family film, but I was 8 when ET was in theaters, I saw it 3 times, and that never bothered me in the slightest.

It's like what Lewis Black said on The Daily Show about it..."You know what they're yelling into those walkie-talkies? WHERE THE HELL ARE OUR GUNS?!?! " :funny:

But I will take the ET special edition over every useless addition in the Star Wars special editions.

[danoyse]

You kinda were trolling. If you had said "I don't like E.T.", you wouldn't have got any backlash. But you said "E.T. was ****" so yeah, you kind of asked for it.

He really just posted a very unpopular opinion. I strongly disagree with the statement, but this is the thread for that, so let's chill out a bit, everyone.

[Parker Wayne]

I liked ET when I was kid, but I don't think I'd like now.

Sorry Parker, but the entire Rocky franchise sucks.

You lie! :cmad:

And I thought you were one of the cooler newbies. :csad:

:oldrazz:

He really just posted a very unpopular opinion. I strongly disagree with the statement, but this is the thread for that, so let's chill out a bit, everyone.

I think it just depends on the wording. There's a difference between saying a movie is bad, and saying a movie is s**t.

[Gentleman Owl]

He really just posted a very unpopular opinion. I strongly disagree with the statement, but this is the thread for that, so let's chill out a bit, everyone. I had to read this like three times. Someone level headed and relaxed? Pretty much everyone I have met here is wound up so tight they're literally using all their effort to not simply snap.

[gwynplaine]

Really? I can only speak for myself, but I find most of the posters on this thread to be pretty civil. Passionate sometimes maybe but most of the time pretty cool and cordial I think.

[Gentleman Owl]

Not just this thread, but the forum in general, you say you don't like something and the amount of rage that erupts could power a nuclear reactor.

[Tron Bonne]

I had to read this like three times. Someone level headed and relaxed? Pretty much everyone I have met here is wound up so tight they're literally using all their effort to not simply snap.

Well, I think you need to realize we aren't all being dead serious either. There's truth behind the words, but we've always tended to be hyperbolic and tongue-in-cheek in here, especially to hyperbolic sentiments. Tone down the 'enlightened fan' bit, no one is going to e-kill you.

[SuperFerret]

Not just this thread, but the forum in general, you say you don't like something and the amount of rage that erupts could power a nuclear reactor.

This is the internet. We're all like professional wrestlers here. Over the top versions of our real personalities and we can't solve an issue without yelling and making jokes that range from kinda clever to so bad that a small child in another country just threw up because of it.

OHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!

[Gentleman Owl]

Cerainly doesn't seem like they're joking, irony, I guess.

[SuperFerret]

Some of us are really good actors.

Also, there are some sarcastophiles on here that rival even my considerable skills.

[Gentleman Owl]

Plus insults aimed directly at someone you don't know which have no wrapping in some sort of simile or metaphor never come across as jokes, ever.

Plus I don't think 'YOU'RE ****ING WRONG' was meant as a joke either.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

This thread is more emotionally engaging than the Dark Knight.

[SuperFerret]

This thread is more emotionally engaging than the Dark Knight.

YOU'RE ****ING WRONG!!!!


:awesome:

[Gentleman Owl]

>was meant
>can be

Oh never mind.

[SuperFerret]

>greater than
<less than

Seriously though, I don't get all this > nonsense.

Back to unpopular opinions, I'm watching Spinal Tap now, and I'm remembering that it's not as laugh out loud funny as I remembered it.

[CelticPredator]

I e-killed him 10 minutes ago.

Anyway, I like Sucker Punch./

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Rocky III is by far and wide the best Rocky movie.

[Tron Bonne]

I e-killed him 10 minutes ago.

Oh well, okay, he was starting to get on my nerves a bit anyway. I'll never understand people who take rebuttals and stuff like that so seriously.

Anyway, I like Sucker Punch./

I do too.

[danoyse]

Plus insults aimed directly at someone you don't know which have no wrapping in some sort of simile or metaphor never come across as jokes, ever.

Plus I don't think 'YOU'RE ****ING WRONG' was meant as a joke either.

OK, now my patience is wearing thin. Let's move on with our lives and get back on topic, please.

[CelticPredator]

Danoyse....do you like music?

*blows up the Old Bailey*

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Rocky III was Brokeback Mountan before Brokeback Mountan.
Apollo clearly loved him and doesn't want to admit it and uses the training as an excuse to be near him. The training sequence montage to eye of the tight with tight shirts that don't quite reach below the ab's, along with the hugging, is probably the most homoerotic scene in film history.

[Drizzle]

I don't mind the 20th Anniversary cut because CG work on ET was terrific, but the walkie-talkie thing bugged me. First of all, their hands are still positioned like they're holding guns. Secondly, I know it was decided that having armed agents chasing children was a bit much for a family film, but I was 8 when ET was in theaters, I saw it 3 times, and that never bothered me in the slightest.

To me, the fact that they removed the guns doesn't matter much because the main focus of that shot should be the kids going airborne on the bikes. Hell, I never even really paid much attention to the fact that they even had guns when I watched the original version as a kid because of the flying bikes. Whether the agents have guns or not makes no difference to me. While it would make sense that they would have guns due to the fact that they're dealing with an alien life form, in the end, I don't see what the big deal is.

[Thebumwhowalks]

_ I didn't really like The Last Crusade. Too comical and Indy's relationship with his father could have been better written imo. Temple of Doom was much better.

Yes. I am tired of seeing Tod getting bashed on the net, with most folk putting LC over it.


_ Munich is very underrated.

I have it on dvd, I enjoyed it, but never thought much about watching it again, but yeah, it was interesting. I'll have to take a look at it again.


_ The first half of A.I is perfect. Then once Pinocchio, huh I mean the little robot enters the woods, it's all down hill from there.

Too right, that part of the movie is perfect. I still enjoy the rest of the film, but that first part with the kid robot acclimatising to home life was amazing.


_ I don't really like Close Encounters or Hook.
_ Sugarland Express and specially Duel are underrated too.

I have always found CE boring as well, and yeah, it was the only one of his that said 'Written and Directed By Steven Speilberg' afaik. I love that scene with all the toys coming to life and the kid stepping out of the room, there was a reason why that scene was the one they used to play on tv all the time to advertise the film, it was the best bit.
I like the concept of RD building the big mud mountain, but damn, the movie is boring, lol.
edit: I have read someone saying that it is a totally different experience wathcing it on the big screen though, but still, the story of the characters in the film are not that interesting.

Duel is amazing, haven't seen it in a while, but I've liked that one since i was a kid.

Haven't seen hook or SE.

As for the ET SE, man, i hated the CG touch ups to ET's face, and the added CG scenes with him, made him feel too cartoon-y and unreal.
edit: also, added scenes, like the one with ET in the bath, were not very good imo, and were not as good as the others, ie, i could see why they left it on the cutting room floor originally. I thought the original cut was tight the way it was, and I hate seeing added scenes that are not of the same high quality of humour as the others of ET finding out about the ways of the the humans.
I don't recall what others they added, but I didn't like that one.

and it was Drew Barrymore who asked Speilberg to change the guns to walkie talkies, as she has a big anti-gun political agenda, which is all well and good, but it's too much to have them taken out of films when they are there for perfectly acceptable reasons.

[Schlosser85]

I think Close Encounters is boring too, and I never liked Hook.

I also thought it was silly changing the guns to walkie-talkies.

And totally agree about the first half of AI being great, and then it falls apart. The ending is ridiculous.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Yeah, really, really boring Sch loser.

[gwynplaine]

and it was Drew Barrymore who asked Speilberg to change the guns to walkie talkies, as she has a big anti-gun political agenda .
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info:up:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The Jurrasic Park sequels are all solid, including 3.
Great monster movies, the only weakspot is the children, in Jurrasic Park they really are annoying and I can't see why Grant comes round to them.
It probably would have been a better movie if they died. The little black girl in two feels totally pointless and her doing the gymnastics kick a raptor thing is probably one of the worst scenes. Thankfully, Jurrasic Park 3 does away with children for most of the movie, so in some respects, it better.

[Bobber]

District 9 was good for about 10-20 minutes, then it was all downhill from there.

[SuperFerret]

I don't get the hate for children in movies.

[Blackman]

Agreed

[CelticPredator]

I don't get the hate for children in movies.
Unless the child is annoying. Which is not that often. Fanboys amp up their annoyence to level 100000.

[SuperFerret]

I don't get the hate for annoying characters either, unless the characters in the movie see them as annoying, and even then it's not like I, the viewer, want them to die because I, the viewer, am annoyed.

[Figs]

Unless the child is annoying. Which is not that often. Fanboys amp up their annoyence to level 100000.

Although this can be subjective from one person to the next, but I find that most of the time they are annoying.

My problem with kids in most films is that they usually do something stupid that causes problems for the adults, it makes me want to smack them. There have been times in movies where I would have let the kid be kidnapped/killed if I were one of the main characters.

There have been movies I've seen that had kids that weren't annoying, but most of the time they are.

[CelticPredator]

Newt was kind of annoying, but I still liked her.

And I love when she died....muahahah!

[Drizzle]

Unless the child is annoying. Which is not that often. Fanboys amp up their annoyence to level 100000.
The only kid that really annoyed me over the years is Jake Lloyd in "The Phantom Menace". But there are a ton of children in movies who aren't annoying and are pretty decent characters, like Newt from "Aliens".

[SuperFerret]

Although this can be subjective from one person to the next, but I find that most of the time they are annoying.

My problem with kids in most films is that they usually do something stupid that causes problems for the adults, it makes me want to smack them. There have been times in movies where I would have let the kid be kidnapped/killed if I were one of the main characters.

There have been movies I've seen that had kids that weren't annoying, but most of the time they are.

And that would make you a bad person.

[Figs]

And that would make you a bad person.

Yes, if it were actually real life, but I'm talking about a fictional scenario. It's more of me *****ing at what I see on the screen rather than actually hating kids in real life.

In real life I actually like kids, when they're real young and do silly things I find it cute.

Maybe my anger and frustration should be more focused on the writers rather than the younger characters. After all, they are the ones that come up with the annoying actions the kids choose to make.

[SuperFerret]

Yes, and when I watch a movie, I get into the movie, so for the duration, it's real.

[CelticPredator]

^ Same here. Kinda. It's like a safe reality.

[Parker Wayne]

Here's my brave, unpopular, and bold opinion:

None of the superhero films will fail critically, well at least none of the films with Marvel characters. I have confidence in all of these films, though GL I need to see more of to have full confidence, but I think all of the will be end up being good quality films.

[gwynplaine]

Of all of them to me Thor looks the least promising. (And I still haven't forgiven Brannagh for his Frankenstein:woot:)
Hopefully I'm wrong. I used to like Thor as a kid, specially all the stories set in Asgard and involving Loki.

[CelticPredator]

His Frankenstien is one of the best things ever. And to my unpopular opinion...

Better then the 1930's version. Didnt care for it. Boris was good. But the other characters were weak. IMO.

[El Payaso]

Unless the child is annoying. Which is not that often. Fanboys amp up their annoyence to level 100000.

It's the rule for every Spielberg movie.

Although this can be subjective from one person to the next, but I find that most of the time they are annoying.

My problem with kids in most films is that they usually do something stupid that causes problems for the adults, it makes me want to smack them. There have been times in movies where I would have let the kid be kidnapped/killed if I were one of the main characters.


Man, other than the dinaosaurs the only good moment about Jurassic park was when that stupid little brat got fried. And then Steven turned that into another silly joke. Those children are the reason I didn't like that movie.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The hunter guy was cool (in both movies) but for some reason, they kind of got swept to the side, so we can focus on the annoying people.

[Doctor Jones]

Muldoon and Tembo were both badasses. I may have preferred Tembo. Because you know, when you have Pete Postlewaite playing a hunter, it's automatically badass.

[Dark Victory]

28 Weeks Later is fantastic. Maybe even better than the first.

[gwynplaine]

His Frankenstien is one of the best things ever. And to my unpopular opinion...

Better then the 1930's version. Didnt care for it. Boris was good. But the other characters were weak. IMO.
This is the unpopular opinion thread so, good one.
But the best Frankenstein movies are actually "The Bride of Frankenstein" and "Young Frankenstein."

[gwynplaine]

28 Weeks Later is fantastic. Maybe even better than the first.
I don't know if it's better than the 1st one, but it's indeed really good and definitely one of the best sequels I've seen.

[CelticPredator]

^^ So I've heard. I'll check out Bride at some point.

[El Payaso]

^^ So I've heard. I'll check out Bride at some point.

Man, you HAVE to. Bride of Frankenstein is truly a fantastic movie. A masterpiece without a doubt.

Ack, I went popular in the unpopular thread. :csad:

[WalkingDeadMike]

28 Weeks Later is fantastic. Maybe even better than the first.

It has one of my favorite opening scenes from any movie, but that was literally the only thing I liked about the movie.

[Blackman]

- Idont see what theyre doing with Akira as "white washing" and honestly I see the people acusing it of that as pretty ignorant
-Vampires are pretty lame and no Im not saying that because of Twilight
-You Me and Dupree was a pretty funny movie

[Parker Wayne]

- Idont see what theyre doing with Akira as "white washing" and honestly I see the people acusing it of that as pretty ignorant
-Vampires are pretty lame and no Im not saying that because of Twilight
-You Me and Dupree was a pretty funny movie

- I agree with the first setiment. That's one of the reasons why studios tend to stay away from Anime adaptations. It's America. They want to change the characters and location to make it more relevant to American audiences.

But the problem is that Akira is an incredibly Japanese film. What I mean by that is that context and themes of the film are so steeped in Japanese history that it will be quite a challenge changing it America audiences.

Honestly, I'd rather not see an Akira adpatation. I wasn't really a big fan of the original Anime movie.

- The only vampire adaptation I like is the show True Blood, but they always build up the show beautifully only to disappoint in the season finales.

- I didn't think it was as bad as people say it was.

[Blackman]

I dont Akira is so Japanese that it cant be adapted to American audiences. Just by looking over alot of reactions the fact that it has allusions (or whatever its called I cant remember the exact word) to Japan post nuking isnt the most prominent theme or aspect of the movie at all. Not that many people talk about it and I didnt even pay attention to it while I was watching. SOmeone in the actual Akira thread tried to say the same thing and really didnt state his/her point that well at all. THe main themes of Akira: the price or war, messing with nature, friendship, and corruption, are so universal that it can be adapted to any different country.

and I didnt like the anime either save for the animation. But the talent involved and the actors theyre looking at, and the script has me looking forward to how this live action adaptation will play out

and I cant even watch True Blood. I tried to watch the first season. Hated it. Tried to watch the second season. It was decent but as you said the finales sucked. The tried with the 3rd season and couldnt get past the 2nd episode.

[Parker Wayne]

The 3rd season started slowly, and the best episodes were the middle of the season then it faded away in mediocrity by the end of the season. I'm not even that excited for the next season.

And with Akira, I can see that working now.

[Blackman]

I mean I wish some things were different like I wish the main characters were still teens and having Japan buying out New York is unnecessary and pointless. But the script was very different than the anime, which was already very different from the manga. So I cant really see why people would complain

[Tron Bonne]

I dont Akira is so Japanese that it cant be adapted to American audiences. Just by looking over alot of reactions the fact that it has allusions (or whatever its called I cant remember the exact word) to Japan post nuking isnt the most prominent theme or aspect of the movie at all. Not that many people talk about it and I didnt even pay attention to it while I was watching. SOmeone in the actual Akira thread tried to say the same thing and really didnt state his/her point that well at all. THe main themes of Akira: the price or war, messing with nature, friendship, and corruption, are so universal that it can be adapted to any different country.

and I didnt like the anime either save for the animation. But the talent involved and the actors theyre looking at, and the script has me looking forward to how this live action adaptation will play out

and I cant even watch True Blood. I tried to watch the first season. Hated it. Tried to watch the second season. It was decent but as you said the finales sucked. The tried with the 3rd season and couldnt get past the 2nd episode.

Eh, no, it actually kind of is. The nuclear nightmare and it's hang over Japan post-WWII is, without a doubt, a very large part of the story's theme.

I don't particularly mind, but at the same time, I see where people are coming from. It's pretty natural to have that reaction to a renowned piece of literature or film from a foreign country. But it's the nature of adaptations and remakes in a lot of ways, so it doesn't bother me that much either.

[SuperFerret]

Personally speaking, the problem with most anime is that it's made with Japanese sensibilities in mind, and that can't translate to certain audiences.

[Parker Wayne]

I believe that anime is still the toughest genre or medium to adapt.

[Tron Bonne]

Personally speaking, the problem with most anime is that it's made with Japanese sensibilities in mind, and that can't translate to certain audiences.

True, and I think a lot of time the stuff they tend to gravitate towards doesn't translate well into live action without a lot of skill and budget behind it. I think of it similarly to Grant Morrison comic books (not quite on the same scale and method, obviously) in the sense that they doesn't really do things catering to other mediums; they aren't afraid to go full scale in what they make with the medium they work in.

[WalkingDeadMike]

I don't think the Monty Python movies are the least bit funny.

[gwynplaine]

Maybe you should see a doctor about that:woot:
I think we have a winner. Close thread:cwink:

[Thebumwhowalks]

Yeah, i think that is the first time I have heard that opinion, the show is hit and miss, like most sketch shows, but it was a groundbreaking show that influenced pretty much every comedian ever.

I think the Life of Brian is a work of comedy genius, that is the only film of theirs I have watched multiple times. The council banned it in Glasgow when it was released, my older bro told me that he took the train to Edinburgh to see it, and it was full of Python fans making the trip.
I've only seen the Holy Grail twice I think, it's pretty good as well.
They were all great performers, even if the material was not that great in a scene or sketch, they could still be funny with it, there were no weak links in the chain there, that you get with some ensembles, hell, even Terry Gilliam was funny when he finally stood in front of the camera in the movies, I only recall him as the crucifixtion jailer guy, he was v funny in that role.
His animations are the one part of the tv show that still totally holds up, that have not dated at all, they are just a joy to behold.

I only saw that one with Mr Creosote the once, the Meaning of Life, it was ok. They did one that was just re-dos of sketches from the show, mainly for the benefit of the American audiences. 'And now for something completely different..'. Ironic.
The original sketches remained the better versions for my memory, it was a bit like Naked Gun 2, when they re-used a lot of gags from Police Squad(as the show was a flop on US tv, the last two eps not even being shown), the original gags in the low budget show were much funnier.

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, i think that is the first time I have heard that opinion, the show is hit and miss, like most sketch shows, but it was a groundbreaking show that influenced pretty much every comedian ever.

I think the Life of Brian is a work of comedy genius, that is the only film of theirs I have watched multiple times. The council banned it in Glasgow when it was released, my older bro told me that he took the train to Edinburgh to see it, and it was full of Python fans making the trip.
I've only seen the Holy Grail twice I think, it's pretty good as well.
They were all great performers, even if the material was not that great in a scene or sketch, they could still be funny with it, there were no weak links in the chain there, that you get with some ensembles, hell, even Terry Gilliam was funny when he finally stood in front of the camera in the movies, I only recall him as the crucifixtion jailer guy, he was v funny in that role.
His animations are the one part of the tv show that still totally holds up, that have not dated at all, they are just a joy to behold.

I only saw that one with Mr Creosote the once, the Meaning of Life, it was ok. They did one that was just re-dos of sketches from the show, mainly for the benefit of the American audiences. 'And now for something completely different..'. Ironic.
The original sketches remained the better versions for my memory, it was a bit like Naked Gun 2, when they re-used a lot of gags from Police Squad(as the show was a flop on US tv, the last two eps not even being shown), the original gags in the low budget show were much funnier.
QFT. Good Post. I agree The Meaning of Life was not as good as the two previous ones (hard to live up to these two masterpieces), but as far as comedy sketch movies go it was still pretty good. Specially the Mr. Creosote skit of course, a classic.
And when the TV sketches were good, they were truly amazing and like you said groundbreaking. (How can one not find The Ministry of Silly Walks funny? And I'm just mentioning one skit among a myriad of other hilarious ones.)

[Thebumwhowalks]

QFT. Good Post. I agree The Meaning of Life was not as good as the two previous ones (hard to live up to these two masterpieces), but as far as comedy sketch movies go it was still pretty good. Specially the Mr. Creosote skit of course, a classic.
And when the TV sketches were good, they were truly amazing and like you said groundbreaking. (How can one not find The Ministry of Silly Walks funny? And I'm just mentioning one skit among a myriad of other hilarious ones.)

Yeah, Cleese had the legs for that one, lol, perfection. I also really liked that segment 'The Bishop', where they did the spoof opening to a 70s cop show with a Bishop and his gang of tough guy priests, that was amazing, I recall that episode with the Bishop was a particularly good one, i had that on tape and made sure i kept it.

[danoyse]

"The Holy Grail is in the castle ARGHHHHH..."
"He must have died writing it."
"If he had died writing it, he wouldn't have bothered to write ARGHHHHH!"
"Maybe he was transcribing..."
"Oh, shut up."

Still one of the funniest movies ever made. :funny:

[gwynplaine]

"The Holy Grail is in the castle ARGHHHHH..."
"He must have died writing it."
"If he had died writing it, he wouldn't have bothered to write ARGHHHHH!"
"Maybe he was transcribing..."
"Oh, shut up."

Still one of the funniest movies ever made. :funny:
:grin:
I love The Holy Grail.

Yeah, Cleese had the legs for that one, lol, perfection. I also really liked that segment 'The Bishop', where they did the spoof opening to a 70s cop show with a Bishop and his gang of tough guy priests, that was amazing, I recall that episode with the Bishop was a particularly good one, i had that on tape and made sure i kept it.
:up:
There was a great documentary about the Monty Python. I don't remember the title but it was in 6 parts I think. From their beginning to the end, with a lot of great funny anecdotes and interviews.
I also remember reading somewhere that once they had received a letter from an old prejudiced woman who was shocked that one of the Monty Python was gay (Graham Chapman I believe).
They wrote back to her, thanking her and saying that they had found out who it was and that they had killed him:funny:

[WalkingDeadMike]

Yeah, i think that is the first time I have heard that opinion, the show is hit and miss, like most sketch shows, but it was a groundbreaking show that influenced pretty much every comedian ever.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a second.

[Doctor Jones]

Monty Python and the Holy Grail is my favorite comedy to this day. It's a goldmine fulll of scenes and quotes. I quote it with my friends all the time. It never gets old and we never run out of funny stuff to say about it.

"Why do witches burn?"

...

"Because they're made of wood?"
"So, how do we tell if she is made of wood?"
"Build a bridge out of her!"

"Ah, but can you not also make a bridge out of stone?"

"Does wood sink on water?"

"NO! No, it floats!"

"What also floats in water?"

Bread!
Apples!
Very small rocks!
Cider!
Cherries!
Gravy!
Churches!
Lead! Lead!

"A duck!"
"Exactly!"

[danoyse]

This is the unpopular opinion thread so, good one.
But the best Frankenstein movies are actually "The Bride of Frankenstein" and "Young Frankenstein."

Which includes one of the funniest exchanges of all time:

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[gwynplaine]

Which includes one of the funniest exchanges of all time:

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:woot::up:

[Parker Wayne]

Just felt this belonged here.

Sucker Punch > Inception in my opinion.

[Blackman]

-Source Code looks kinda lame. I know its getting good reeviews but idk
-That Hanna movie looks worse. In general it just doesnt look that cool, but the one thing that bothered me and I dont know why it bothered me so much is the scene where this scrawny 16 year old girl flips a 150 pound guy over her shoulder.
When I saw that I was like:
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But as I said even other than that it just doesnt look good
-The Hustler is a beyond boring movie

[Bunker]

The Phantom Menace is my "favorite" of the prequel trilogy. It probably has more to do with nostalgia than the actual quality of the film, though.

[Tron Bonne]

-That Hanna movie looks worse. In general it just doesnt look that cool, but the one thing that bothered me and I dont know why it bothered me so much is the scene where this scrawny 16 year old girl flips a 150 pound guy over her shoulder.
When I saw that I was like:

But as I said even other than that it just doesnt look good


Eh, almost all martial arts have ways for people who are twice as small as there opponents take them down in such manners when they're just using brute force. I actually thought that movie looked really good, better than a lot of the other spy/espionage-ish films in recent years to me.

[Parker Wayne]

Eh, almost all martial arts have ways for people who are twice as small as there opponents take them down in such manners when they're just using brute force. I actually thought that movie looked really good, better than a lot of the other spy/espionage-ish films in recent years to me.

That's actually true. As a guy who's taking karate now, I know that people can use other's weight against them, even if they're 3 times their weight. I had no problem with it.

[gwynplaine]

That's actually true. As a guy who's taking karate now, I know that people can use other's weight against them, even if they're 3 times their weight. I had no problem with it.
I will not criticize Inception again:woot:

[Parker Wayne]

I'd be more worried about criticizing Kill Bill again than Inception. :funny:

Back to unpopular opinions:

I don't mind comic book movie's making fun of the comic versions of costumes at all. I loved the yellow spandex line from X-men and I don't mind the upcoming Captain America movie poking fun of the comic costume at all. There are just some costume than can translate well and some that cannot. I'm glad Hawkeye isn't wearing much purple for The Avengers.

I guess I feel this way because I've always been more a film guy than a comics guy. Comic fans want their characters to be taken seriously, but it's hard for them to be taken seriously with bright colors. Even Spider-man's costume was toned down.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Comic fans want their characters to be taken seriously, but it's hard for them to be taken seriously with bright colors. Even Spider-man's costume was toned down.

I don't think that's true as a rule, it just depends on a case by case basis.

[Parker Wayne]

I wouldn't call it a rule as much as it is an observation. Comic fans do want characters taken seriously in film. They absolutely hate any humor in movies and dismiss it as cheesy.

[Figs]

I wouldn't call it a rule as much as it is an observation. Comic fans do want characters taken seriously in film. They absolutely hate any humor in movies and dismiss it as cheesy.

Personally I don't mind humour in comic films since they're supposed to be fun anyways. I just don't like it when the humour is bad, like in the Fantastic Four films.

I caught hell when I mentioned how that Kat Dennings broad in Thor was incredibly annoying. People started jumping down my throat saying I was hating the entire movie...fanboys...

[Parker Wayne]

I didn't think it was bad, but I hope she doesn't do that all movie.

[Thebumwhowalks]

I wouldn't call it a rule as much as it is an observation. Comic fans do want characters taken seriously in film. They absolutely hate any humor in movies and dismiss it as cheesy.

I was just talking about your point about superheroes being dressed in bright colours, and how it is hard to take them seriously.

Superman is a symbol, he is supposed to be striking in apprearance, a beacon, SR proved that the muted colours do not work for his outfit.
Spider-man? His costume was pretty much the same as the books, and it worked onscreen just as well.
Case by case basis with them all.

[Doctor Jones]

Fans should know by now, I mean really, they should know by now that what they want in their head and read isn't going to be put on screen how they want it. And at this point it doesn't seem like they ever will. Just let them go about their business. Let the right and good storytellers handle it.

[Parker Wayne]

I was just talking about your point about superheroes being dressed in bright colours, and how it is hard to take them seriously.

Superman is a symbol, he is supposed to be striking in apprearance, a beacon, SR proved that the muted colours do not work for his outfit.
Spider-man? His costume was pretty much the same as the books, and it worked onscreen just as well.
Case by case basis with them all.

I agree with the case by case basis. I guess I'm talking more about X-men, Captain America's comic costume and Hawkeye's comic costume along with the other more outrageous looking ones.

Comics are whole different medium and no matter how badass a character is, if they're costume is over the top, the audience will be to busy keeping their attention on the costume, and possibly laugh. In Cap's case hecould get away with it if his comic costume was remade, but telling me Hawkeye's comic costume could be made without looking stupid on film, you have got to be kidding me.

Spider-man's costume was muted colors. Colorful, but not as bright as the comics.

[gwynplaine]

-The Hustler is a beyond boring movie
Now, that's unpopular in my book.
Good one:csad:
I agree with the case by case basis. I guess I'm talking more about X-men, Captain America's comic costume and Hawkeye's comic costume along with the other more outrageous looking ones.

Comics are whole different medium and no matter how badass a character is, if they're costume is over the top, the audience will be to busy keeping their attention on the costume, and possibly laugh. In Cap's case hecould get away with it if his comic costume was remade, but telling me Hawkeye's comic costume could be made without looking stupid on film, you have got to be kidding me.

Spider-man's costume was muted colors. Colorful, but not as bright as the comics.
_ Agreed too.

_Well, I hope they don't change Dr. Strange costume too much if they ever make a movie about him. Its crazy, psychedelic, over the top flair is part of the charm of the character imo. On that note...

_ Keanu Reeves is an underrated actor and would make a good Dr. Strange.
_ I don't really like Superman: The Movie. I prefer Superman 2, Lester or Donner's versions I don't really care. Better villains.
_ I'm looking forward to the new Mission Impossible film.
_ Sam Worthington was really good in Avatar.
_ I don't like Kill Bill 1 or 2 (Please don't karate kick me, Parker Waynesan:woot:)

[Max J Power]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/seinfield.gif

Is that from the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry opens on The Producers?

[Blackman]

Idk I saw someone post it in another thread and I jacked it

[SuperFerret]

I wouldn't call it a rule as much as it is an observation. Comic fans do want characters taken seriously in film. They absolutely hate any humor in movies and dismiss it as cheesy.

Those people are wrong.

[CelticPredator]

Very wrong. Just take the character, respect it, and make something good out if it.

[Parker Wayne]

_ I don't like Kill Bill 1 or 2 (Please don't karate kick me, Parker Waynesan:woot:)

you = girl
Me = The invisible force the shoves the girl's head down.

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af220/tmathis34/480sw822yu80.gif?t=1301540398

[gwynplaine]

Haha. Nice gif, Parker Wayne.

[Xtroid]

Keanu Reeves is an underrated actor and would make a good Dr. Strange.

http://www.codekitchen.net/assets/0000/0013/keanu_whoa.jpg

I don't like Kill Bill 1 or 2 (Please don't karate kick me, Parker Waynesan:woot:)

I think Tarantino's last good movie was Jackie Brown. Everything else he has done since then have just been nonsense.

[Blackman]

-ScarJo wasnt a good Black Widow. In fact I dont even think she's that good of an actress
-District 9 didnt deserve Oscar nom
-I dont really want a Halo movie or a Mass Effect movie
-Jackie Brown is overrated
-This kinda has to do with TV but I dont think Yvonne Strahovski is that good of an actress either
-Hedlund was underrated and Wilde was overrated in Tron Legacy. Neither gave bad performances or even ones that wowed me but Im surprised at the hate Hedlund gets and the praise Wilde gets for their respective roles
-From what Ive seen Kat Dennings doenst annoy me in Thor
-The Man Who Wasnt There>>(slightly)Big Lebowski>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No Country for Old Men

[Doctor Jones]

I wouldn't say Jackie Brown warrants to be called overrated. As that is his only film people seem to forget.

[Doctor Jones]

Now, that's unpopular in my book.
Good one:csad:

_ Agreed too.

_Well, I hope they don't change Dr. Strange costume too much if they ever make a movie about him. Its crazy, psychedelic, over the top flair is part of the charm of the character imo. On that note...

_ Keanu Reeves is an underrated actor and would make a good Dr. Strange.
_ I don't really like Superman: The Movie. I prefer Superman 2, Lester or Donner's versions I don't really care. Better villains.
_ I'm looking forward to the new Mission Impossible film.
_ Sam Worthington was really good in Avatar.
_ I don't like Kill Bill 1 or 2 (Please don't karate kick me, Parker Waynesan:woot:)

I would love to see a Dr. Strange film. It could be damn crazy.

And I love Reeves. Is he a great actor? Not really, but he's damn likeable. When he picks the right roles, I think he does an adequate job. Just what the role needs. Like Neo and his character in Speed. He was actually one of the reasons I enjoyed Speed so much.

[thebatsam]

Social Network should have won best picture. Yes, King's Speech was a great film with wonderful individual performances, but I felt the Social Network overall was a better movie.

[Parker Wayne]

That's not unpopular at all. :funny:

[Parker Wayne]

I wouldn't say Jackie Brown warrants to be called overrated. As that is his only film people seem to forget.

This. For it be overrated it has to be highly regarded. Granted, it is viewed very positively, but it's pretty much Tarantino's most forgotten film, and is not really hailed as a classic for it be overrated.

[CelticPredator]

Kings Speech was amazing. In every single possible way. I felt happy when it was over. Didnt feel that for TSN.

[Figs]

Kings Speech was amazing. In every single possible way. I felt happy when it was over. Didnt feel that for TSN.

:up:

Same here. Although I did like TSN, I didn't have the same feeling after it was over as I did for Kings Speech.

[dude love]

As long as a comic adaptation is a legitimately good movie. I couldn't care less how comic accurate it is.

In fact, I haven't read comics in years (Though I'm developing a taste for them yet again. I've busted out the classics) So I can't honestly state the accuracy of any Marvel film beyond Punisher. As for DC I tuned out during the Crisis business and skimmed Wikipedia to find that Batman died, came back, had a lovechild, turned his mantle over to Dick, became some guy called The Insider, Stephanie Brown came back to life and became Batgirl and The Insider is travelling the world to install Batmen worldwide. So obviously Nolan's films, thankfully have nothing to do with the comics.

Should I try to catch up on DC, or is it really as terrible as it sounds?

[Doctor Jones]

I agree. It's the same as adapting anything. If there is something powerful there from the comics that will register properly on film, go for it, it's big bonus. But don't bed afraid to deviate. Yes, it's a comic book film, but it is still a film at the end of the day.

I've actually enjoyed Morrison's Batman & Robin so far with Dick as Batman and Damien as Robin. Their dynamic is great. Love Quietly's art and just love how bizarre it all is. It's a mix of the 60's show with David Lynch. He does a good job at coming up with new villains too. Granted, I only have the first volume, but the second's out and the third is out in May I think.

[Tron Bonne]

As long as a comic adaptation is a legitimately good movie. I couldn't care less how comic accurate it is.

In fact, I haven't read comics in years (Though I'm developing a taste for them yet again. I've busted out the classics) So I can't honestly state the accuracy of any Marvel film beyond Punisher. As for DC I tuned out during the Crisis business and skimmed Wikipedia to find that Batman died, came back, had a lovechild, turned his mantle over to Dick, became some guy called The Insider, Stephanie Brown came back to life and became Batgirl and The Insider is travelling the world to install Batmen worldwide. So obviously Nolan's films, thankfully have nothing to do with the comics.

Should I try to catch up on DC, or is it really as terrible as it sounds?

You have the events mixed up. The lovechild was well before he 'died', and he didn't actually die (he was sent back in time), just thought to be dead by the rest of the superheroes. Also, Bruce was The Insider when he came back he was for some reason to test out some of the newer people that'd popped up. He's actually the one who has been going around (as Batman, he dropped that Insider bit pretty quickly) to recruit people for this whole Batman, Inc. thing. It's just started so it's hard to grasp entirely why.

Oh, and it's pretty bloody awesome. I missed some of the middle bits of it, but thus far, Batman Incorporated has been fun as hell. Though, if you're one of those people who reject anything Batman that isn't street level crime and such, best to stay away. Far away. One of the things Morrison (the writer mainly behind all this) has been doing is bringing back some of the sci-fi and more fantastical aspects of the character that's been defranged in recent years. I know that makes some people run away screaming Bloody Mary over their shoulder.

[gwynplaine]

_ Deathprooof is Tarantino's best film.
_ I really liked Ridley Scott's Robin Hood.
_ Crystal Skull is the best Indiana Jones movie.
_ I love Kill Bill 1 and 2.
_ TDK is overrated.

April Fools!:oldrazz::woot:

[Parker Wayne]

_ Deathprooof is Tarantino's best film.
_ I really liked Ridley Scott's Robin Hood.
_ Crystal Skull is the best Indiana Jones movie.
_ TDK is overrated.

April Fools!:oldrazz::woot:

Whew. When I saw the Death proof one, I thought you lost your mind.

_ I love Kill Bill 1 and 2.

:cmad:

You just do this to make me angry don't you?

[dude love]

You have the events mixed up. The lovechild was well before he 'died', and he didn't actually die (he was sent back in time), just thought to be dead by the rest of the superheroes. Also, Bruce was The Insider when he came back he was for some reason to test out some of the newer people that'd popped up. He's actually the one who has been going around (as Batman, he dropped that Insider bit pretty quickly) to recruit people for this whole Batman, Inc. thing. It's just started so it's hard to grasp entirely why.

Oh ok, thanks for clearing it all up, wikipedia could use you! :woot:


Oh, and it's pretty bloody awesome. I missed some of the middle bits of it, but thus far, Batman Incorporated has been fun as hell. Though, if you're one of those people who reject anything Batman that isn't street level crime and such, best to stay away. Far away.

I love it all. Gritty crime Batman, sci-fi Batman, supernatural Batman, you name it. If it's a good Batman story I'll read it! :yay:

One of the things Morrison (the writer mainly behind all this) has been doing is bringing back some of the sci-fi and more fantastical aspects of the character that's been defranged in recent years. I know that makes some people run away screaming Bloody Mary over their shoulder.


I don't mind. As long as we get a decent variety of Batman stories, I don't mind which genre they're in.

I really have to thank you man, you've brought my confidence up a lot. Now I really want to catch up!

[gwynplaine]

Whew. When I saw the Death proof one, I thought you lost your mind.



:cmad:

You just do this to make me angry don't you?
Haha:woot::cwink:

[Two-Face=Badass]

Okay, Inception is a brilliant but deeply flawed film that violates "show, don't tell" too many times and relies on its secondary characters as exposition beams.

Also, not sure if this is unpopular, but Children of Men should've got Best Picture. In fact, it was so damn good that there didn't even need to be other nominations that year.

[CelticPredator]

Death Proof is ****ing awesome.

[gwynplaine]

Kings Speech was amazing. In every single possible way. I felt happy when it was over. Didnt feel that for TSN.
Agreed

Death Proof is ****ing awesome.
Not so much.

:up:

Same here. Although I did like TSN, I didn't have the same feeling after it was over as I did for Kings Speech.
Agreed. I enjoyed TSN too, but I was more moved By King's Speech. It was like Rocky with a stuttering king or something. And the friendship between Rush and Firth was beautifully written and portrayed.

[gwynplaine]

I would love to see a Dr. Strange film. It could be damn crazy.

And I love Reeves. Is he a great actor? Not really, but he's damn likeable. When he picks the right roles, I think he does an adequate job. Just what the role needs. Like Neo and his character in Speed. He was actually one of the reasons I enjoyed Speed so much.
He was also excellent in Sam Raimi's The Gift. (And not likable at all:woot:)

[Figs]

And the friendship between Rush and Firth was beautifully written and portrayed.

Best part of the movie. I love it when they first meet and then seeing their friendship grow after that.

[gwynplaine]

Best part of the movie. I love it when they first meet and then seeing their friendship grow after that.
:up:

[Tron Bonne]

Oh ok, thanks for clearing it all up, wikipedia could use you! :woot:



I love it all. Gritty crime Batman, sci-fi Batman, supernatural Batman, you name it. If it's a good Batman story I'll read it! :yay:




I don't mind. As long as we get a decent variety of Batman stories, I don't mind which genre they're in.

I really have to thank you man, you've brought my confidence up a lot. Now I really want to catch up!

No problem. I just hope my confidence boost doesn't hurt more than help; Grant Morrison can have a pretty polarizing effect on readers. I still recommend most of it without much hesitation, regardless, though.

[gwynplaine]

For me, the perfect Punisher movie would be a straight up adaptation of the current Max run where Punisher fights Kingpin and Bullseye.
Bullseye is hired by Kingpin to eliminate the Punisher and begins investigating every aspect of the Punisher's personality and life, practically becoming him in the process, so he can better kill him.
Oh, and Bullseye should be played by Woody Harrelson.

[Doctor Jones]

He was also excellent in Sam Raimi's The Gift. (And not likable at all:woot:)

It's been so long since I saw that. But I do remember him. He played a great dick.

[gwynplaine]

I agree. It's the same as adapting anything. If there is something powerful there from the comics that will register properly on film, go for it, it's big bonus. But don't bed afraid to deviate. Yes, it's a comic book film, but it is still a film at the end of the day.

I've actually enjoyed Morrison's Batman & Robin so far with Dick as Batman and Damien as Robin. Their dynamic is great. Love Quietly's art and just love how bizarre it all is. It's a mix of the 60's show with David Lynch. He does a good job at coming up with new villains too. Granted, I only have the first volume, but the second's out and the third is out in May I think.
Agreed. I think it's the first time I liked Robin. I also really liked Frazer Irving's art, later on in the run. He did a pretty good Joker and I love his art in general, specially his Judge Death (best one after Brian Bolland.)
I haven't been following the comic lately though, since Quietly and Irving left it.

[Bunker]

Kings Speech was amazing. In every single possible way. I felt happy when it was over. Didnt feel that for TSN.

The King's Speech was a fun, light movie. Not saying it was bad, but it didn't really hold that much weight after it was all said and done. The Social Network is on a completely different plane of existence. I was thinking about it for days after I watched it. TKS didn't stay with me at all.

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed. I think it's the first time I liked Robin. I also really liked Frazer Irving's art, later on in the run. He did a pretty good Joker and I love his art in general, specially his Judge Death (best one after Brian Bolland.)
I haven't been following the comic lately though, since Quietly and Irving left it.

Damien is great. For the first time I can accept the fact that Robin is a little kid. He's like a PG-13 male version of Hit Girl to me.

[thebatsam]

The King's Speech was a fun, light movie. Not saying it was bad, but it didn't really hold that much weight after it was all said and done. The Social Network is on a completely different plane of existence. I was thinking about it for days after I watched it. TKS didn't stay with me at all.

Pretty much my reasoning behind it
TKS was a great movie and being British, thought of it as part of my nation's history which is a plus in itself. However, TSN really stayed with me after watching it, I connected with the characters in an emotional level. It made you really think about it much later after watching it due to, for lack of a better word, unhappy ending.

[Schlosser85]

I like both The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons.

[gwynplaine]

^I didn't but I like your avy:up:

_ Mathieu Kassovitz's only good film is "Hate." ("La Haine.")
_ Tim Burton's last good movie was "Ed Wood." (His best one as well.)
_ I don't like Jean Pierre Jeunet or Luc Besson's films.
_ I wish someone else than Guy Ritchie was directing the Sherlock Holmes movies.
_ Someone should make a new live action Hunchback of Notre Dame film with Monica Bellucci as Esmeralda and Mickey Rourke as Quasimodo.

[The Navigator]

^I didn't but I like your avy:up:

_ Mathieu Kassovitz's only good film is "Hate." ("La Haine.")
_ Tim Burton's last good movie was "Ed Wood." (His best one as well.)
_ I don't like Jean Pierre Jeunet or Luc Besson's films.
_ I wish someone else than Guy Ritchie was directing the Sherlock Holmes movies.
_ Someone should make a new live action Hunchback of Notre Dame film with Monica Bellucci as Esmeralda and Mickey Rourke as Quasimodo.

I think the only reason that's unpopular is because no one else has thought of it yet. :up:

[A Necessary Evil]

I like both The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons.

:up:

[Doctor Jones]

The Da Vinci Code is a guilty pleasure to me. The problem was being too faithful, but they managed to pull off the theories and history behind them all very well. The book is one of my favorite books (top 3) but even I'll admit, they tried to be too faithful. They should have cut out Amarossa and just made Silas a more ambiguous solo character.

But the film is still enjoyable. Zimmer's score is incredible. I like the ending alot too.

[El Payaso]

I liked The Da Vinci Code but with all the controversy I thought it was a serious thing with serious theories and it was just an action movie.

[Drizzle]

_ Tim Burton's last good movie was "Ed Wood." (His best one as well.)
Did you not see "Sweeney Todd"?

[gwynplaine]

Unfortunately I did. Like I said "Ed Wood" is Tim Burton's last good movie:woot:
But of course to each its own.

[Doctor Jones]

Was Big Fish wiped from your memory?

[gwynplaine]

No, I just didn't care for Big Fish either. "Ed Wood" was the last time I really enjoyed a Burton movie.
But like I said before, to each... oh, you know the rest by now:woot:

[Dark Victory]

^I didn't but I like your avy:up:

_ Mathieu Kassovitz's only good film is "Hate." ("La Haine.")
_ Tim Burton's last good movie was "Ed Wood." (His best one as well.)
_ I don't like Jean Pierre Jeunet or Luc Besson's films.
_ I wish someone else than Guy Ritchie was directing the Sherlock Holmes movies.
_ Someone should make a new live action Hunchback of Notre Dame film with Monica Bellucci as Esmeralda and Mickey Rourke as Quasimodo.

:up:

[Dark Victory]

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.

[Xtroid]

- Tim Burton's last good movie was "Ed Wood." (His best one as well.)

I do not agree.

Mars Attacks is awesome.

[Parker Wayne]

Personally, I think Mars Attacks is pretty bad, but some of Burtons films in the since Planet of the Apes are worse (that, Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory).

The problem with Tim Burton is that the look and feel of most of his films are the same. I understand that some directors have their own individual style, but Burton's is..... well, sometimes not as tolerable. Plus his use of Johnny Depp is getting old, but the reason people hate that combination is that he's been used the same way in most of his movies, dressing up in a weird costume and playing up Depp's zany side. At least with Scorsese and De Niro, De Niro played a wide range of characters.

That's why Ed Wood will probably always be Burton's best film. It's so different than anything else he's made. For one, he doesn't use danny Elfman's score (in which whenever he collaborates with Burton they sound the same to me.), Johnny Depp isn't in some kind of outrageous makeup or costume.

And the most important thing about Ed Wood is that, possibly unlike any of Tim Burton's other films, it's more character-driven than style-driven. Burton himself even said that.

[Parker Wayne]

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.

Hmm, I never thought of it like that and the thought of Scorsese or Lumet directing Se7en is a very interesting what-if.

[CelticPredator]

I would hate to see a Tim Burton film, and not have it be like a Tim Burton film.

His last films sucked, all because of the scripts. Sweeney Todd is his last great flick.

He needs to cut back on Depp....but I believe he'll rise up again.

[dude love]

I would hate to see a Tim Burton film, and not have it be like a Tim Burton film.

This. Planet of the Apes anyone?


His last films sucked, all because of the scripts. Sweeney Todd is his last great flick.

This too. Sweeney Todd rocked.

Alice and Chocolate Factory were primarily aimed at children though and before those he did Big Fish and Corpse Bride!

He needs to cut back on Depp....but I believe he'll rise up again.

This the third. That's why I believe he'll do great on Hunchback of Notre Dame. Josh Brolin!

[El Payaso]

Was Big Fish wiped from your memory?

I suspect gwyn is enjoying being unpopular in the unpopular thread, which has nothing wrong.

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.

I get your reasons as long as this is pure personal preference. A movie is not better or worse according to its level of nihilism.

Personally, I think Mars Attacks is pretty bad, but some of Burtons films in the since Planet of the Apes are worse (that, Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory).

The problem with Tim Burton is that the look and feel of most of his films are the same. I understand that some directors have their own individual style, but Burton's is..... well, sometimes not as tolerable. Plus his use of Johnny Depp is getting old, but the reason people hate that combination is that he's been used the same way in most of his movies, dressing up in a weird costume and playing up Depp's zany side. At least with Scorsese and De Niro, De Niro played a wide range of characters.

That's why Ed Wood will probably always be Burton's best film. It's so different than anything else he's made. For one, he doesn't use danny Elfman's score (in which whenever he collaborates with Burton they sound the same to me.), Johnny Depp isn't in some kind of outrageous makeup or costume.

And the most important thing about Ed Wood is that, possibly unlike any of Tim Burton's other films, it's more character-driven than style-driven. Burton himself even said that.

I kind of disagree. It's not just that Burton sounds and looks the same but that he hasn't found anythinmg new to say even if it sounded and looked the same.

Charlie and the CF or Alice in Wonderland aare pure style and no substance and then is when his style becomes tiresome.

I agre about Depp, it's not that he can't be there in almost every movie but that he's doing the same stuff again and again. It's like they like each other so much they allowed each other to do whatever they want and thus there's no search for something new, there's no self-demand.

But Elfman not scoring doesn't make anyuthing better. It's that he's just way too used to choirs everywhere when scoring a Burton movie.

I'd say the best thing about "Ed Wood" is that it's one of the few biopics - if not the only one - about an artist that's not driven by the scandals in the artist's life, just his creative and artistic motivations.

[Xtroid]

Personally, I think Mars Attacks is pretty bad.

ACK... ACK...ACK! ACK! AAACK!!! ACk ACK ACK AACK!!! :cmad:

[Max J Power]

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.
What'd you think of Benjamin Button? That's certainly my least favorite of his, but it was alright.

[gwynplaine]

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.
Seven is my favorite Fincher movie. Even though I haven't seen it in a long time and it probably hasn't aged that well. Then Zodiac, then TSN. But I see what you mean. That's why I prefer The Silence of the Lambs over Seven, because it's more academic which ages better and doesn't look like a music video which Seven did in places.
And I thought Bringing out the dead was pretty boring.

Personally, I think Mars Attacks is pretty bad, but some of Burtons films in the since Planet of the Apes are worse (that, Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory).

The problem with Tim Burton is that the look and feel of most of his films are the same. I understand that some directors have their own individual style, but Burton's is..... well, sometimes not as tolerable. Plus his use of Johnny Depp is getting old, but the reason people hate that combination is that he's been used the same way in most of his movies, dressing up in a weird costume and playing up Depp's zany side. At least with Scorsese and De Niro, De Niro played a wide range of characters.

That's why Ed Wood will probably always be Burton's best film. It's so different than anything else he's made. For one, he doesn't use danny Elfman's score (in which whenever he collaborates with Burton they sound the same to me.), Johnny Depp isn't in some kind of outrageous makeup or costume.

And the most important thing about Ed Wood is that, possibly unlike any of Tim Burton's other films, it's more character-driven than style-driven. Burton himself even said that.
Yeah. My problem with Burton is not really that all his movies look the same or that he keeps using Depp or Elfman, it's more that his movies seem to be just about the visuals at the expense of characterization and story (except for Ed Wood like you said). I have the same problem with Terry Gilliam and also Jean Pierre Jeunet who sometimes seem to me more like glorified art directors than true film makers and story tellers. They make beautiful story boards and have awesome production designs but most of their movie don't really engage me. I like a good story first and then the great visuals to help tell that story.
For example, in Mars Attacks the martians and their culture were cool but I couldn't care less about the humans in it or what happened to them. I know it was supposed to be a satire and a farce. See Dr. Strangelove to see how it's done.

I would hate to see a Tim Burton film, and not have it be like a Tim Burton film.

His last films sucked, all because of the scripts. Sweeney Todd is his last great flick.

He needs to cut back on Depp....but I believe he'll rise up again.
I agree that they sucked because of the scripts. and I didn't really care for Sweeney Todd, probably because (with a few exceptions) I'm not a big fan of musicals.

I suspect gwyn is enjoying being unpopular in the unpopular thread, which has nothing wrong.



I get your reasons as long as this is pure personal preference. A movie is not better or worse according to its level of nihilism.



I kind of disagree. It's not just that Burton sounds and looks the same but that he hasn't found anythinmg new to say even if it sounded and looked the same.

Charlie and the CF or Alice in Wonderland aare pure style and no substance and then is when his style becomes tiresome.

I agre about Depp, it's not that he can't be there in almost every movie but that he's doing the same stuff again and again. It's like they like each other so much they allowed each other to do whatever they want and thus there's no search for something new, there's no self-demand.

But Elfman not scoring doesn't make anyuthing better. It's that he's just way too used to choirs everywhere when scoring a Burton movie.

I'd say the best thing about "Ed Wood" is that it's one of the few biopics - if not the only one - about an artist that's not driven by the scandals in the artist's life, just his creative and artistic motivations.
I just like to speak my mind and my opinions don't always follow the general consensus.
Also Good post.

[Doctor Jones]

I suspect gwyn is enjoying being unpopular in the unpopular thread, which has nothing wrong.


We all know that everyone is wrong in this thread dude. :o

[Doctor Jones]

Se7en used to be my favorite Fincher film. Now it's Zodiac. But Se7en is my second favorite. On Blu Ray it's simply orgasmic looking. It's still some of Fincher's best photography and the themes are pretty damn basic, yet deep. Somerset and Mills contrasting walks of life and views shape the film's themes themselves in a way. And the foot chase? Best foot chase on film.

[Doctor Jones]

I probably should watch Alien 3 again, but Se7en is my least favorite Fincher movie for now. The visuals, cool and grisly for sure, are often flat, overblown and make Fincher and Co. seem more like decorators than actual stylists. I think it's a solid police procedural with clever plotting and structure, but a bit too naive in the unnamed city's apathy. Again, it's structured fine in that sense (Somerset's doubts for humanity are still present by the end, especially with Mills's loss), but Fincher's execution is too harsh and pessimistic without much reason and detail othan than dirty neon colors and ugly back alley districts. Someone like Lumet or Scorsese would've given more focus to those issues without such black-and-white sentiments.

EDIT: For example, New York City in Brining Out the Dead had a genuine sense of loss. Here, all we get is stark nihilism. This is obviously Doe's motivation for his murders, but still...I don't buy much of it.

Yes, you need to watch Alien 3 again. His worst film, though that's not his fault. And you've seem to have neglected Benjamin Button.

Oh, and watch Se7en again. You came around to Shutter Island more eventually. :awesome:

[Blackman]

-Benjamin Button>>>>>>>>>>Zodiac