The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - Part 7

[craigdbfan]

In comparison to Begins, yes it did.

Of course TDK is still mainly about Bruce but it uses other characters to reinforce this idea not by wholly focusing on Batman/Wayne mainly.

I understand BB did this because it was an origin story but I still liked it way better because of that reason. Everyone has their favorite aspects in regards to this series in general. Some love the interplay between Bats rogue gallery and how it affects Wayne, others like seeing those stories where the complete subject of examination is Batman/Wayne.

[jmc]

Whenever debate arose about whether Gotham should look like TDK or BB I have always maintained that Nolan would give us a Gotham with an entirely distinct feel from those two. Quite happy that seems to be the reality.

3 different Gotham's works for me. :up:

[The Joker]

I understand BB did this because it was an origin story

And that's the crux of it. It was an origin story. Now that Batman's origin is done, I cannot see him devouring the screen time the way he did in Begins when his origin was playing out.

You also have to look at it from a popularity aspect. TDK was more critically and financially successful than Begins. I expect WB and Nolan to have a more ensemble cast in TDKR, too. Judging by the casting of Catwoman, Bane, and JGL as possibly another villain, I'd say we're going to get that. But I know Nolan will still keep Batman the focus like he's always done.

[craigdbfan]

Again I don't mind because even with all the characters used in TDK we still got a brilliant Bruce Wayne regardless. This is more of me preferring a center of concentration over an ensemble supporting that center, if that makes any sense.

But I think we'll get more of a concentration point on Wayne than you think as this is the movie that will wrap up the trilogy.

Sort of like an essay where you restate your thesis verbatim throughout you're paper. I feel that Begins "thesis" will be restated many times thorough out Rises a good deal.

But again TDK was still a fantastic movie and I was more than satisfied with the portrayal of Wayne we got in it, I just personally like seeing Bale get more juicy lines like in Begins.

[Alex Logan]

Anyone else feeling like this right now??!! News please :o

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm187/Merry_Mutant/jokerbored.jpg

Yep.

[kvz5]

Again I don't mind because even with all the characters used in TDK we still got a brilliant Bruce Wayne regardless. This is more of me preferring a center of concentration over an ensemble supporting that center, if that makes any sense.

But I think we'll get more of a concentration point on Wayne than you think as this is the movie that will wrap up the trilogy.

Sort of like an essay where you restate your thesis verbatim throughout you're paper. I feel that Begins "thesis" will be restated many times thorough out Rises a good deal.

But again TDK was still a fantastic movie and I was more than satisfied with the portrayal of Wayne we got in it, I just personally like seeing Bale get more juicy lines like in Begins.

I think Nolan will give Bale even more juicy stuff to work with this time around specially since he said that TDKR is about ending Bruce Wayne's story. :up:

[Unmasked]

Whenever debate arose about whether Gotham should look like TDK or BB I have always maintained that Nolan would give us a Gotham with an entirely distinct feel from those two. Quite happy that seems to be the reality.
I think we can expect an ever darker Gotham

[Doctor Jones]

Alot of Batman's stories have been ensembles anyway. It comes down to preference, but as long as they're good and focus still feels like it's on Wayne, which TDK did, then I'm fine.

[Seen]

Batman Begins definitely had more of a central focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman, so I can see where craigdbfan is coming from. The film was basically seen from Bruce Wayne's perspective. I think that's what he means. That's not saying Batman Begins didn't have a terrific ensemble cast - because it did- but The Dark Knight was less focused on telling things from Bruce Wayne's POV. It was really a story that told things from Harvey Dent, The Joker, Gordon and Batman's POV.

Begins starts and ends with Bruce Wayne/Batman and the story is really focused on him; The Dark Knight is a much more encompassing story and features a less solid thematic focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman. That's not saying Bruce Wayne/Batman didn't have good characterization in The Dark Knight - because he did- but we really didn't see things from his perspective in that film. I think there are a few scenes, like when Alfred consoles Bruce after the death of Rachel, where we get into his psyche a little bit and explore his thoughts and emotions on the situation, but Batman Begins provided a much more in-depth focus on what Bruce Wayne was really thinking and feeling throughout that film.

I kind of hope The Dark Knight Rises returns the focus primarily back onto Bruce Wayne/Batman. It can have an ensemble cast, since both films have had them, but I would like to really see the film from Bruce Wayne's perspective again. I think he's the most fascinating and interesting character in Batman's mythology, and I really enjoyed Batman Begins for being the first and to this point only live-action Batman film that's really been invested in exploring the psychology of Bruce Wayne.

[Batman137]

I like this^^

More of Bruce Wayne's POV

[Vengeance of Bane]

I don't live in America, so I just wanted to know what Detroit is like compared to Chicago. Does it look vastly different or...?

[HighFivingMF]

I don't live in America, so I just wanted to know what Detroit is like compared to Chicago. Does it look vastly different or...?
Google Image searching both places would give you a decent idea with visual evidence of what's different I think.

[craigdbfan]

Batman Begins definitely had more of a central focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman, so I can see where craigdbfan is coming from. The film was basically seen from Bruce Wayne's perspective. I think that's what he means. That's not saying Batman Begins didn't have a terrific ensemble cast - because it did- but The Dark Knight was less focused on telling things from Bruce Wayne's POV. It was really a story that told things from Harvey Dent, The Joker, Gordon and Batman's POV.

Begins starts and ends with Bruce Wayne/Batman and the story is really focused on him; The Dark Knight is a much more encompassing story and features a less solid thematic focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman. That's not saying Bruce Wayne/Batman didn't have good characterization in The Dark Knight - because he did- but we really didn't see things from his perspective in that film. I think there are a few scenes, like when Alfred consoles Bruce after the death of Rachel, where we get into his psyche a little bit and explore his thoughts and emotions on the situation, but Batman Begins provided a much more in-depth focus on what Bruce Wayne was really thinking and feeling throughout that film.

I kind of hope The Dark Knight Rises returns the focus primarily back onto Bruce Wayne/Batman. It can have an ensemble cast, since both films have had them, but I would like to really see the film from Bruce Wayne's perspective again. I think he's the most fascinating and interesting character in Batman's mythology, and I really enjoyed Batman Begins for being the first and to this point only live-action Batman film that's really been invested in exploring the psychology of Bruce Wayne.

Thats exactly what I meant. One of the reasons why I love Begins so much.

Well said Seen. :up:

[Excelsior.]

Some of the famous Batman stories we immediately think of, the likes of Year one, TLH, DV, Hush, TKJ, No Man's Land etc, Batman is a part of an ensemble rather than the center.

Batman is interesting on his own, but his universe is equally so.

[Boom]

I prefer the ensemble set-up.

[The Joker]

Some of the famous Batman stories we immediately think of, the likes of Year one, TLH, DV, Hush, TKJ, No Man's Land etc, Batman is a part of an ensemble rather than the center.

Excellent point.

Batman is interesting on his own, but his universe is equally so.

Too right. Nolan gets that balance, unlike say with the Burton movies, in which Batman was completely sidelined in favor of the villains. Especially in Batman Returns.

I prefer the ensemble set-up.

Ditto. I like all the characters getting nice big slices of the pie.

[ChrisB]

I got an email this morning from Michael Uslan asking me to take down the article from last night:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/26/michael-uslan-gives-brief-the-dark-knight-rises-update/
Uslan was misquoted and the article was inaccurate.

[TheBatman072]

Jesus.

We won't get any news at all until the day AFTER the movie comes out.

[TDKRhunter]

I got an email this morning from Michael Uslan asking me to take down the article from last night:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/26/michael-uslan-gives-brief-the-dark-knight-rises-update/
Uslan was misquoted and the article was inaccurate.

Just so everyone's crystal here, this is not a case of misquotation, this is a case of not wanting to have any official record of Pittsburgh yet, which is a joke seeing as how they were there scouting. I can have about 20 students testify to his words. LOL that is too funny.

[Excelsior.]

If the plot is as secretive as Inception, fans would go mad.

[Boom]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious at this point that they're filming in Pittsburgh.

On the bright side, looks like you're on the studio's radar, DaCriss.

[TDKRhunter]

Exactly. Nolan was photographed with crew doing scouting, why would they resort to lying to cover that detail up? Interesting. not sure if it's Uslan or the studios checking the site, seeing as how Uslan is a fan, he might just be trying to cover his backside from, wait for it, "reprisals". Though there can;t be many reprisals for the man who controls the money...

[Yurka]

I didnt read the article in time, did Uslan basically confirm theyre shooting in Pittsburgh? I know its been all but confirmed but to have someone like him mention it would make me ecstatic.

[TDKRhunter]

I didnt read the article in time, did Uslan basically confirm theyre shooting in Pittsburgh? I know its been all but confirmed but to have someone like him mention it would make me ecstatic.

To make a long story short, yes.

[Yurka]

Glorious. I knew they were supposedly sending out e-mails for crew, but to hear this from the horses mouth is great. My resume' is already in :up:

[TDKRhunter]

Good luck Yurka, keep me posted if you hear anything from your people and I'll do the same.

[MiniBond]

On the bright side, looks like you're on the studio's radar, DaCriss.

better watch out for those WB ninjas in his garden !:woot:

[Two-Face]

Has it been confirmed where they will be shooting Wayne Manor/Batcave?

Keep us posted snd good luck

[Nave 'Torment']

I had a solid source with the whole Catwoman casting, and I was told it was down to Hathaway and Biel. Personally I'm happy Hathaway got it.

Thank you! I'm glad she got the role too :)

[Excelsior.]

Hathaway was the best of the bunch I guess but that list, if indeed legit, was pretty weak. One would think Nolan would look at "serious" indie actresses like he does his actors. That's what I was expecting anyway. A relatively unknown actress with solid chops playing Catwoman.

[childeroland]

Given Uslan's apparent denial of the Pittsburgh location despite the students who can testify to that--I'm assuming here--is it possible EW's denial of Variety's scoop isn't legit, a studio counter-leak?

[ChrisB]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious at this point that they're filming in Pittsburgh.

On the bright side, looks like you're on the studio's radar, DaCriss.
It was so cool to wake up to his email :) He was really nice about it.

[Paste Pot Pete]

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!

[TDKRhunter]

Given Uslan's apparent denial of the Pittsburgh location despite the students who can testify to that--I'm assuming here--is it possible EW's denial of Variety's scoop isn't legit, a studio counter-leak?

Very possible. Just like someone pointed out they did with the "Liam Neeson reported as Ra's Al Ghul, no he will be Ducard". Though Falcone doesn't sound like a surprise twist like Ra's was.

[batman11]

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!

Woah. Thanks for posting that. I just read up on it. Awesome, awesome casting. :up:

[FCEEVIPER]

It was so cool to wake up to his email :) He was really nice about it.
He has been involved in every Bat-film, why??? :huh:

[TDKRhunter]

He bought the film rights in '77, produced all of them.

[FCEEVIPER]

He bought the film rights in '77, produced all of them.
Well, la-di-da, Mr. Fancypants Uslan.

[Excelsior.]

I almost wish WB would confirm Marion as part of the cast to compliment Amy Adams being Lois.

[FCEEVIPER]

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!
Awesome pick up!

[Nevincer]

I almost wish WB would confirm Marion as part of the cast to compliment Amy Adams being Lois.
I wish WB would give us any official news to compliment how patiently we've waited for it since that last press release :oldrazz:

[FCEEVIPER]

I wish WB would give us any official news to compliment how patiently we've waited for it since that last press release :oldrazz:
Zing.

[Majik1387]

So I'm away a bit and Gordon-Levitt and Cotillard are confirmed, with G-L named and then unnamed as Alberto. :up:

[TheBatman072]

So I'm away a bit and Gordon-Levitt and Cotillard are confirmed, with G-L named and then unnamed as Alberto. :up:

She still hasn't been confirmed.

[batman11]

^ Cotillard still isn't technically confirmed.

[FCEEVIPER]

Nothing is confirmed, nothinn I tells you's!

[Travesty]

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!I'm not a big Superman fan, but I gotta agree, it's a good casting choice. The cast looks good so far.

[Unmasked]

I had a solid source with the whole Catwoman casting, and I was told it was down to Hathaway and Biel. Personally I'm happy Hathaway got it.
Biel in a Nolan movie ?

Yikes.........:dry:

[jmc]

Some of the famous Batman stories we immediately think of, the likes of Year one, TLH, DV, Hush, TKJ, No Man's Land etc, Batman is a part of an ensemble rather than the center.

Batman is interesting on his own, but his universe is equally so.

Something that is constantly overlooked. Batman is more than just Bruce Wayne.

[The Caped Knight]

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!

SUPERB casting, Nolan :cwink:

[Van Petrol]

Pretty much what we've all heard before, but still it's always nice to hear from Gary :) :

There's a video in the article too.

Exclusive: Gary Oldman hints at Nolan 'Batman' return

Gary Oldman has hinted that Christopher Nolan could return to the Batman series after The Dark Knight Rises.

Speaking to Digital Spy at the Jameson Empire Awards, Oldman - who plays Commissioner James Gordon in the superhero series - said that he isn't ruling out the possibility of Nolan coming back to make a fourth Batman.

The director previously stated that The Dark Knight Rises will be his final Batman movie.

Oldman said: "Chris is always negotiating so when he says that [he won't come back], I don't know, but he kind of brings [TDKR] round to Batman Begins - it's a really thrilling story, it would have to be to top The Dark Knight."

Oldman will begin work on The Dark Knight Rises in May after completing The Wettest County In The World with Tom Hardy and Shia LaBeouf.

Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a311352/gary-oldman-hints-at-nolan-batman-return.html

[Boom]

I hate when reporters spin an actor's speculation as a "hint."

[Excelsior.]

I like how Gary said nothing of the sort. Sensationalist headlines, crappy journalism.

Also, Gary seems pretty confident that TDKR "topped" TDK.

[Van Petrol]

Agreed on all counts. However, it's stil Gary F'N Oldman afterall! :D :up:

[Doctor Who]

SUPERB casting, Nolan :cwink:

I laughed when I heard this; probably because I think Nolan is doing the ACTUAL casting and not Snyder. And let's face it, after Watchmen and Sucker Punch, that dumb ***** only thinks with his d*ck when it comes to female casting; and when he grabs those ones, that can't act worth a *****. :doh:

[Dragon_316ca]

"Great script. He outdone himself." You don't say, Gary........ :wow::awesome:

[lukey37]

http://www.youtube.com/v/L2rU0VupDTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2rU0VupDTA

[Doctor Who]

L2rU0VupDTA

*Edit; all fixed up. :cwink:

[Doctor Who]

And nice video btw; he forgot to mention all the ninjas, snipers, land mines, etc, that the actors have to endure too when getting in and out; I wanted to learn how to get past all of that. :csad:

[venus_ice]

Gary Oldman is making 3 movies back-to-back with Tom Hardy.

I hope they're married by the end of the year :awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:

[Excelsior.]

If it was Pfister saying this, I wouldn't take it too seriously. But coming from Gary seems more "legit" to me.

[lukey37]

Thanks. How do you embed YouTube links properly?

[EliteF50]

SUPERB casting, Snyder and Nolan :cwink:

Fixed.

[Doctor Who]

Thanks. How do you embed YouTube links properly?

Oh that! All you do is when you get the youtube link in a copy and paste, just remove everything after the "v=" and just have the letters withing the youtube brackets.

So for example, I have this link copied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJ1c3qxOWc

I just copy GMJ1c3qxOWc right after the "v=," stick that in between the and and there you have it.

GMJ1c3qxOWc

[Boom]

If it was Pfister saying this, I wouldn't take it too seriously. But coming from Gary seems more "legit" to me.
Watch the video, and look at how he says it.

He's clearly joking.

[Dragon_316ca]

Just a follow-up on this report on tonight's NYC-shooting: It was bogus. And no TDKR-related filming is happening all this week.

[Doctor Who]

Fixed.

No, I choose to discredit Snyder period. :o

[Nevincer]

Good ol' Gary... his words definitely give me faith in this movie. I'm pretty sure he was the first to call Heath getting an oscar nom for playing the Joker, and it sounded pretty ridiculous at the time, so I trust his word that this could be better than TDK. :woot:

[JAK®]

SUPERB casting, Nolan :cwink:
I said it before in the Superman boards;

"If the movie is good, Nolan will get all the credit, if the movie is bad, Snyder will get all the credit"

Because the fans are morons like that.

[Nevincer]

I said it before in the Superman boards;

"If the movie is good, Nolan will get all the credit, if the movie is bad, Snyder will get all the credit"

Because the fans are morons like that.
:pal::pal: No doubt.

[Doctor Who]

I said it before in the Superman boards;

"If the movie is good, Nolan will get all the credit, if the movie is bad, Snyder will get all the credit"

Because the fans are morons like that.

Is it wrong of me to think that way? :awesome:

Seriously though, that stupid bastard ruined Watchmen; my favorite book, and he had to do a couple of good things in it, but trash the rest. :waa:

*fantasizes of Christopher Nolan teaming up with Wachowski Brothers team up or Stanley Kubric rising from the grave to remake*

[HighFivingMF]

Is it wrong of me to think that way? :awesome:

Seriously though, that stupid bastard ruined Watchmen; my favorite book, and he had to do a couple of good things in it, but trash the rest. :waa:

*fantasizes of Christopher Nolan teaming up with Wachowski Brothers team up or Stanley Kubric rising from the grave to remake*
I don't... Understand... How... You... Watchoutski Brothers over Snyder? I... They... Uh... What?:wow:

[Nevincer]

I don't... Understand... How... You... Watchoutski Brothers over Snyder? I... They... Uh... What?:wow:
Indeed. Reloaded and Revolutions weren't exactly masterpieces :awesome:

[Doctor Who]

I don't... Understand... How... You... Watchoutski Brothers over Snyder? I... They... Uh... What?:wow:

Easy: First Matrix and V For Vendetta, SPECTACULAR! Even though Reloaded and Revolutions sucked.

Snyder only really had 300; which was only okay. Everything else, ***** hitting the fan. :doh:

I don't know; for Watchmen, I kind of had this dream and fantasy that it's a movie, epic, drama, dark comedy, animated feature, biography, detective film, thriller, suspense, super hero movie that's about 4-7 hours long....... and possibly broken up into parts or showed in a HBO mini series.

It's an incredible amount to ask for, but it'd be AMAZING in the end. :hrt:

*ponders* Yeah, if I ever become a director or film producer, I'll see what kind remake I can do; along with Outsiders.

[KalMart]

Easy: First Matrix and V For Vendetta, SPECTACULAR! Even though Reloaded and Revolutions sucked.

Snyder only really had 300; which was only okay. Everything else, ***** hitting the fan. :doh:

I don't know; for Watchmen, I kind of had this dream and fantasy that it's a movie, epic, drama, dark comedy, animated feature, biography, detective film, thriller, suspense, super hero movie that's about 4-7 hours long....... and possibly broken up into parts or showed in a HBO mini series.

It's an incredible amount to ask for, but it'd be AMAZING in the end. :hrt:

*ponders* Yeah, if I ever become a director or film producer, I'll see what kind remake I can do; along with Outsiders.
I felt from the outset that Wtachmen would make a better HBO miniseries as well.

[Nevincer]

Easy: First Matrix and V For Vendetta, SPECTACULAR! Even though Reloaded and Revolutions sucked.

Snyder only really had 300; which was only okay. Everything else, ***** hitting the fan. :doh:

I don't know; for Watchmen, I kind of had this dream and fantasy that it's a movie, epic, drama, dark comedy, animated feature, biography, detective film, thriller, suspense, super hero movie that's about 4-7 hours long....... and possibly broken up into parts or showed in a HBO mini series.

It's an incredible amount to ask for, but it'd be AMAZING in the end. :hrt:

*ponders* Yeah, if I ever become a director or film producer, I'll see what kind remake I can do; along with Outsiders.
The Watchoutski Brothers didn't really direct V for Vendetta. Also, I think a director's track record speaks more than a specific gem in their filmography. I'd be a lot more worried about Superman if it was being directed by George Lucas or M. Night Shyamalan for example, and we know what they were responsible for in their prime.

[The Caped Knight]

Fixed.

I purposefully credit Nolan because I just can't picture Snyder having the foresight to cast such a talented actress in a pivotal role as this.

[Doctor Who]

The Watchoutski Brothers didn't really direct V for Vendetta. Also, I think a director's track record speaks more than a specific gem in their filmography. I'd be a lot more worried about Superman if it was being directed by George Lucas or M. Night Shyamalan for example, and we know what they were responsible for in their prime.

Truth in which you speak, I suppose; I don't know. I just want my baby done right and flourish to be the best thing to ever hit a television or movie screen. And I'd like it to be Watchmen because it has the potential; that's all. :csad:

[JAK®]

I purposefully credit Nolan because I just can't picture Snyder having the foresight to cast such a talented actress in a pivotal role as this.
Your prejudices shouldn't be the basis of what you consider fact.

[ChrisB]

I've added a longer version of that Oldman interview here:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

He reveals that he has "quite a bit to do" with Tom Hardy in The Dark Knight Rises!

[Nevincer]

I've added a longer version of that Oldman interview here:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

He reveals that he has "quite a bit to do" with Tom Hardy in The Dark Knight Rises!
If that's true, then I hope that means Bane is "working" alongside the GPD in the hunt for Batman as has been speculated for the main villain of this flick (be it the "Detective Eddie Nashton" or "Hugo Strange" theories). It would be such an interesting angle to take it IMO, assuming they did it correctly. But I'm probably wrong so I'll shut up now :oldrazz:

[Doctor Who]

I felt from the outset that Watchmen would make a better HBO miniseries as well.

Exactly; you know, I can easily picture it being on a station like that, and have it be a 12 episode mini series; and give or take each episode to be an hour to an hour and a half. Have it totally go through each chapter, along with the stuff in between like Under the Hood; interviews with people like Hollis, Veidt, Sally, etc.; test videos and files of Manhattan; 80's toy and perfume commercials, the entire WORKS.

It's odd because I actually enjoyed the Black Freighter and Under the Hood DVD release that came with Watchmen in opposition of the movie; it wasn't perfect, but it was done in a way that I've always imagined it.

[Van Petrol]

I'm excited! :up:


Also with Gary saying he has quite a bit to do with Hardy in the film, makes you wonder if Bane's origin so to speak is going to come from that of the GCPD area.

[Van Petrol]

If that's true, then I hope that means Bane is "working" alongside the GPD in the hunt for Batman as has been speculated for the main villain of this flick (be it the "Detective Eddie Nashton" or "Hugo Strange" theories). It would be such an interesting angle to take it IMO, assuming they did it correctly. But I'm probably wrong so I'll shut up now :oldrazz:

The only problem I have with this though, is that it seems to stray a bit to far from what Bane (and his origin) actually is. It's sound a bit too much like Sgt. Max Cort rebranded as 'Bane'.


They may as well have made him 'Lock-Up'. :o

[ALittlePush]

If that's true, then I hope that means Bane is "working" alongside the GPD in the hunt for Batman as has been speculated for the main villain of this flick (be it the "Detective Eddie Nashton" or "Hugo Strange" theories). It would be such an interesting angle to take it IMO, assuming they did it correctly.

I agree, that would be an interesting take.

[Doctor Who]

The only problem I have with this though, is that it seems to stray a bit to far from what Bane (and his origin) actually is. It's sound a bit too much like Sgt. Max Cort rebranded as 'Bane'.


They may as well have made him 'Lock-Up'. :o

Well, I wouldn't go that far; I think it would be interesting if it was almost like a hybrid of Cort, but not too much in the sense of it like in Prey were he's just added to the Task Force. It'd have to be approached in an entirely new and different angel to keep it faithful enough to the Chuck Nixon Bane.

[Agent of Chaos]

I've added a longer version of that Oldman interview here:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

He reveals that he has "quite a bit to do" with Tom Hardy in The Dark Knight Rises!


I'm so pumped! :woot:

[Nevincer]

I'm excited! :up:


Also with Gary saying he has quite a bit to do with Hardy in the film, makes you wonder if Bane's origin so to speak is going to come from that of the GCPD area.

The only problem I have with this though, is that it seems to stray a bit to far from what Bane (and his origin) actually is. It's sound a bit too much like Sgt. Max Cort rebranded as 'Bane'.


They may as well have made him 'Lock-Up'. :o

Well I wouldn't put it past him. Whilst obviously the idea of a villain working alongside the GPD parallels the Prey arc designed for Hugo Strange, it's also important to note that a lot of Strange's characteristics from the comics have in some way been lent to another character in other films. For example, it was originally HS who was the head psychiatrist at Arkham instead of Jonathan Crane, and he also unleashed the Fear Toxin on Gotham in the comics the same way that Ra's Al Ghul utilizes it in the third act of Begins. He was also originally meant to be that 'famous antagonist' for the Bat that the Joker now occupies both in comics and film. Have Bane work for the GPD and Alberto Falcone dress up as Batman and that's Hugo Strange spirtually adapted to Nolan's Batman franchise in full :awesome:

[Van Petrol]

Well, I wouldn't go that far; I think it would be interesting if it was almost like a hybrid of Cort, but not too much in the sense of it like in Prey were he's just added to the Task Force. It'd have to be approached in an entirely new and different angel to keep it faithful enough to the Chuck Nixon Bane.

Oh yeah, I'm all for trying something new and giving it a chance. However, we haven't seen Bane done justice yet, and I really would like to see him given the proper treatment he deserves. He really is an intriguing and interesting character.

[Van Petrol]

Well I wouldn't put it past him. Whilst obviously the idea of a villain working alongside the GPD parallels the Prey arc designed for Hugo Strange, it's also important to note that a lot of Strange's characteristics from the comics have in some way been lent to another character in other films. For example, it was originally HS who was the head psychiatrist at Arkham instead of Jonathan Crane, and he also unleashed the Fear Toxin on Gotham in the comics the same way that Ra's Al Ghul utilizes it in the third act of Begins. He was also originally meant to be that 'famous antagonist' for the Bat that the Joker now occupies both in comics and film. Have Bane work for the GPD and Alberto Falcone dress up as Batman and that's Hugo Strange spirtually adapted to Nolan's Batman franchise in full :awesome:

Heh! Well, we'll have to wait and see how it pans out... :woot:

[Kane52630]

Exactly; you know, I can easily picture it being on a station like that, and have it be a 12 episode mini series; and give or take each episode to be an hour to an hour and a half. Have it totally go through each chapter, along with the stuff in between like Under the Hood; interviews with people like Hollis, Veidt, Sally, etc.; test videos and files of Manhattan; 80's toy and perfume commercials, the entire WORKS.


It wont work, you know why? TV budgets. What Zach did is the best you can do with Watchmen (with the timing, scripts, productions, ect.). It's called the unfilmable graphic novel for a good reason.

[Doctor Who]

Oh yeah, I'm all for trying something new and giving it a chance. However, we haven't seen Bane done justice yet, and I really would like to see him given the proper treatment he deserves. He really is an intriguing and interesting character.

Well we all know that Nolan's considered that and we're good in the sack; nothing to worry about, if that's your thinking. :cwink:

[Boom]

I've added a longer version of that Oldman interview here:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

He reveals that he has "quite a bit to do" with Tom Hardy in The Dark Knight Rises!
Now this is interesting.

[Van Petrol]

Well we all know that Nolan's considered that and we're good in the sack; nothing to worry about, if that's your thinking. :cwink:

Lol! Yeah absolutely. I'll always have faith in whatever that man decides to go with, and I fully trust he'll do the character just, regardless of where he goes with it.

[The Demon's Head]

According to Oldman, the ending isn't even in the script. Nolan had to tell them the ending.

[Nevincer]

Personally, I'm more and more intrigued by Gary's confidence in the film topping TDK despite not having actually read the script. If I had to guess I'd say it's the ending, as Nolan's proclaimed is the most exciting thing about this movie for him and that interview seems to suggest Gary knows how it ends. I don't really see how you could just get a synopsis of the story and think "this is gonna top TDK", as I think if you'd heard TDK's plot summarized you would be nowhere near prepared for how good it was going to be before actually seeing it. It makes me think that there's one single, incredible detail about the ending... something Nolan's going to do that will completely blow people's minds, even moreso than the cliffhanger to Inception.

[Doctor Who]

It wont work, you know why? TV budgets. What Zach did is the best you can do with Watchmen (with the timing, scripts, productions, ect.). It's called the unfilmable graphic novel for a good reason.

Agreed on the unfilmable; but it still could come close......... it could....... it could..... *blocks ears and hums Bob Dylan to himself, fantasizing of billions of dollars to make Batman cry over jealousy with and makes an ultimate Watchmen HBO miniseries with the perfect cast, director, crew*

*laughs crazily and cackles like an unfed cannibal who sees Fat Albert in mist* :twisted:

[Doctor Who]

Lol! Yeah absolutely. I'll always have faith in whatever that man decides to go with, and I fully trust he'll do the character just, regardless of where he goes with it.

That's what Nolan does best! :woot:

[Kane52630]

Agreed on the unfilmable; but it still could come close......... it could....... it could..... *blocks ears and hums Bob Dylan to himself, fantasizing of billions of dollars to make Batman cry over jealousy with and makes an ultimate Watchmen HBO miniseries with the perfect cast, director, crew*

*laughs crazily and cackles like an unfed cannibal who sees Fat Albert in mist* :twisted:

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[Conebone69]

according to oldman, the ending isn't even in the script. Nolan had to tell them the ending.

this sounds epic!!!!!!!! Omg

[KalMart]

It wont work, you know why? TV budgets. What Zach did is the best you can do with Watchmen (with the timing, scripts, productions, ect.). It's called the unfilmable graphic novel for a good reason.

Not so sure...if you look at the budget for HBO's Rome....


Now...when it comes to putting that kind of money into a comic adaptation...that may be a different story.

[Boom]

Hearing Oldman talk about the secrecy surrounding the script-reading process was hilarious. And even though it's common knowledge that Hardy is playing Bane, he still kept his lips sealed.

Gold :lmao:.

Glad to hear that he has alot to do in this film :up:.

[Happy Jack]

this sounds epic!!!!!!!! Omg
It's to prevent leaking.

[Nevincer]

Hearing Oldman talk about the secrecy surrounding the script-reading process was hilarious. And even though it's common knowledge that Hardy is playing Bane, he still kept his lips sealed.

Gold :lmao:.

That definitely strenghens the possibility that he was only talking about Bane when interviewed about that "secret main villain".

[Conebone69]

It's to prevent leaking.

Lol yeah I know, but it just sounds like its going to be epic

[Boom]

Yeah. Interaction with Gordon would point to Bane being the main villain.

At least, I hope that's what it points to.

[ChrisB]

That definitely strenghens the possibility that he was only talking about Bane when interviewed about that "secret main villain".
But Bane isn't "old, old, from way back from the old comics."

[Happy Jack]

But Bane isn't "old, old, from way back from the old comics."
Oldman could have easily been wrong about that. He's been wrong before.

[The Joker]

So Gordon has a lot to do with Bane in this one? Hmmmm, sounds like the scenario with Harvey Dent. He had a lot to do with him, too. Could be that Bane ends up being a kind of personal enemy to Gordon, too, like Two Face did.

[Excelsior.]

I don't... Understand... How... You... Watchoutski Brothers over Snyder? I... They... Uh... What?:wow:

You do realize Zack Snyder wouldn't exist without the Wachowski Brothers right?

[ChrisB]

Oldman could have easily been wrong about that. He's been wrong before.
This is true.
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4782/vlcsnap00002j.png

[PrincessBoss]

If there's a lot of scenes with Gordon and Bane, it sounds to me like those original rumours about the movie being based on Prey could be true, with Bane in the Night Scourge role. Maybe JGL's Hugo Strange after all . . .

[KalMart]

Oldman could have easily been wrong about that. He's been wrong before.

He's been known to enjoy the sauce as well, if you know what I mean.

[Doctor Who]

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:oldrazz:

Wit the whole interaction thing though between Bane and Gordon; I wonder if it will be anything like this, but more or less reluctantly that for revenge like with Barbara. Like in Over the Edge.

[PrincessBoss]

Never mind.

[venus_ice]

Not writing down the ending in case it gets leaked. Wow, Nolan. :ninja:

[jonathancrane]

:oldrazz:

Wit the whole interaction thing though between Bane and Gordon; I wonder if it will be anything like this, but more or less reluctantly that for revenge like with Barbara. Like in Over the Edge.

Interesting point, but that whole episode was a hallucination.
I doubt Nolan would do something as cheap as that.
Especially when audiences are committing about 2 1/2 hrs,
and premium money at the cineplex. It's a standard to do
a "well, it really didn't happen..." for television, but not
on the silver screen, and particularly for this genre.

[rashad]

If there's a lot of scenes with Gordon and Bane, it sounds to me like those original rumours about the movie being based on Prey could be true, with Bane in the Night Scourge role. Maybe JGL's Hugo Strange after all . . .

Umm...no.

[PrincessBoss]

Umm...no.

You know something i don't, do you?

[Nevincer]

You know something i don't, do you?
That JGL playing Hugo Strange would be Dr. Jonathan Crane 2.0 and would offer almost nothing new when forsaking the unique characteristics of Strange to make that casting work. :dry:

[antsman41]

Not writing down the ending in case it gets leaked. Wow, Nolan. :ninja:

He tattooed it on himself just in case he'd forget...

[PrincessBoss]

That JGL playing Hugo Strange would be Dr. Jonathan Crane 2.0 and would offer almost nothing new when forsaking the unique characteristics of Strange to make that casting work. :dry:

That's an opinion, not a fact. I've no idea who JGL is playing – and neither do you – nor do i know if the character he is portraying will be 100% faithful to his comic book counterpart. We already know that Bane is likely to have a different origin, and the Joker design was an overhaul whilst remaining true to his spirit. The bottom line is: it's not impossible.

[Nevincer]

I'm calling it now. Batman dies. Hate all you want, fellas :awesome:

[batman11]

I've added a longer version of that Oldman interview here:
http://batman-news.com/2011/03/27/gary-oldman-on-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-rises-secrecy/

He reveals that he has "quite a bit to do" with Tom Hardy in The Dark Knight Rises!

Is it wrong that after watching Gary's little sly "nod" reaction to the reporter mentioning "Bane," and then saying that "He's [Tom] gonna be fantastic!" with a slightly gleeful smile, I giggled like school girl? :funny:

Seriously, I legitimately laughed (excitedly) out loud. I love watching Gary talk. He always seems so genuine, which is partially why, even though I never really had any doubts, it's amazing to see him tout TDKR so highly. Granted, I know an actor is supposed to promote his work and such, but there's just something about the way Oldman spoke in this interview that suggests that he was trying to suppress his own glee. Perhaps I'm just transposing myself on him though. :o ;)

Anyhow, good stuff Crissa. :up:

[Carmine Falcone]

Topping the Dark Knight.....

My head hurts just thinking about that. It really does.

[the Wankstar]

I feel like theres something incredibly obvious everyones missing thats gonna cause exploding heads when its revealed

[KalMart]

I'm calling it now. Batman dies. Hate all you want, fellas :awesome:

I still think they could make that work...and/or seceetly survive and become the new leader of a revamped League Of Shadows...kind of like the end of the DKR comic.

[rashad]

Exclusive: Gary Oldman hints at Nolan 'Batman' return
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a311352/gary-oldman-hints-at-nolan-batman-return.html

[Boom]

It's already been posting.

And Oldman was clearly joking. DigitalSpy is reaching - hard.

[Excelsior.]

Boy is it cOLD in here.

[Nevincer]

I still think they could make that work...and/or seceetly survive and become the new leader of a revamped League Of Shadows...kind of like the end of the DKR comic.

It's been a possibility lingering in my mind since I rewatched Begins not long ago and focused upon that scene on the Plane with Bruce and Alfred. A lot of the reason Bruce picked the persona of Batman in Begins was the idea that it was a symbol, it was immortal, that the legend of Batman was going to outlive just the Bruce Wayne character... so him being a matyr in the final film makes sense to me aside from the fact it's an obvious taboo in terms of merchandising, marketing to the kids and treating the character with dignity in the fans minds which would definitely offend people no matter how beautifully Nolan handled it.

[rashad]

Batman ain't dying in TDKR. lol

[Van Petrol]

Boy is it cOLD in here.

It's pretty dry too.. :dry:

[Excelsior.]

I know the ending


At the end, Batman comes out of the closet

[batman11]

I know the ending


At the end, Batman comes out of the closet

This Summer
Out of the closet...
Comes the Knight!

[Travesty]

This Summer
Out of the closet...
Comes the Knight!And after seeing some men....
The Dark Knight Rises
Yeah, that was pretty cheesy. :(

[Nevincer]

Batman ain't dying in TDKR. lol
Why? Because it's called The Dark Knight Rises? For one thing, the symbol of Batman (aka The Dark Knight) and what he stands for is a legend that illuminates past him in physical form and could still rise in the hearts of the public were his death to be a sacrifice.

But let's not take it at face value, how about considering that the title is intentionally misleading? We've already caught on to Nolan's knack for his movies referring to the climax of the film, it would be just predictable at this point, but there's something out of place with TDKR, isn't there? Hasn't some of the biggest complaints about it been that it's redundant, the criticism of "didn't the Dark Knight already rise in TDK?" and so on and so forth?

My theory is that literally this could mean that the title isn't referring to the climax, but where The Dark Knight left us off or the beginning of "Rises" rather, and instead of doing what he usually does Nolan's decided to be clever and invert it. Perhaps we'll see "The Dark Knight Rises" as the opening credits, with something akin to the Bats or the Blue flames forming the Bat Logo in their respective movie openings instead appearing before the end credits in TDKR's case. It would give it a full circle sense, with the trilogy (back-to-back) not opening or ending with some singular title, and the title credits "Batman Begins", "The Dark Knight", and "The Dark Knight Rises" only labeling particular story arcs within the completed story as a whole.

Just my nutty idea. :oldrazz: "Rises" probably refers to Batman's redemption in the eyes of the public, but anything's possible and I like to speculate.

[Travesty]

Just my nutty idea. :oldrazz: "Rises" probably refers to Batman's redemption in the eyes of the public, but anything's possible and I like to speculate.It could, but it could also be that Bruce/Batman can walk again, after getting his back broken.

[Avengers-Report]

It was interesting how Gary said he works a lot with Hardy in this film. This most likely means Bane is hired by GPD to hunt down Bats. That will work for me!

[batman11]

And after seeing some men....
The Dark Knight Rises
Yeah, that was pretty cheesy. :(

Indeed. :csad:

;) :funny:

[jmc]

It was interesting how Gary said he works a lot with Hardy in this film. This most likely means Bane is hired by GPD to hunt down Bats. That will work for me!

Maybe Bane kidnaps Gordon.

[Nevincer]

It could, but it could also bean that Bruce/Batman can walk again, after getting his back broken.
That too... but as breathtaking as Batman's back being broken would be for the sake of originality, it's hard to envision for fans alone how Nolan would pull off a Batman movie with Bruce being MIA for most of it and then calling it the "conclusion" to the trilogy when it doesn't even feel like we've been exposed to Batman as much as we should. If that's the "detail" about the ending Oldman heard, I think he'd be skeptical rather than excited over it. Batman's death would obviously be at the end of the film, he'd have had plenty of characterization beforeso, but either Batman recovers from his back injury afte five minutes (which would be lame) or it's really gonna stunt his exposure as a character for this finale.

[Doctor Jones]

I believe Gary when he said they topped it. It's very possible. It's kind of hard to see at this point, but boy, if he does it, not only will he break the third superhero movie curse, but also the third comic book film in the series being the best.

[Excelsior.]

That too... but as breathtaking as Batman's back being broken would be for the sake of originality, it's hard to envision for fans alone how Nolan would pull off a Batman movie with Bruce being MIA for most of it and then calling it the "conclusion" to the trilogy when it doesn't even feel like we've been exposed to Batman as much as we should. If that's the "detail" about the ending Oldman heard, I think he'd be skeptical rather than excited over it. Batman's death would obviously be at the end of the film, he'd have had plenty of characterization beforeso, but either Batman recovers from his back injury afte five minutes (which would be lame) or it's really gonna stunt his exposure as a character for this finale.

It is not impossible.

Batman breaks his back within the first ten minutes and then we see what led to this in flashbacks, intercut with him "healing". So we can see both Batman in action and Bruce going through hardships.

[Nevincer]

I believe Gary when he said they topped it. It's very possible. It's kind of hard to see at this point, but boy, if he does it, not only will he break the third superhero movie curse, but also the third comic book film in the series being the best.
Heck, nevermind comic book film, I don't think a lot of movies alone have done that aside from maybe The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly? I discount Return of the King because the Lord of the Rings was really one movie split into three films, and was all done back-to-back as well, so that last film being so well received was hardly contingent on a new production or fresh idea like TDKR would be and thus it's not a true sequel or third-parter in my mind.

It is not impossible.
Yeah, that's not impossible. In fact, I suggested that idea myself quite some time ago. I'm speaking primarily how Oldman would have reacted taking the idea of Batman recovering from a back injury at face value. He wouldn't just assume that Nolan was going to handle it in a non-linear fashion.

[Boom]

It doesn't even have to be the best.

I just want a damn good movie.

[RoughNTumble]

It is not impossible.

Batman breaks his back within the first ten minutes and then we see what led to this in flashbacks, intercut with him "healing". So we can see both Batman in action and Bruce going through hardships.

that would have an excellent chance to top TDK imo

[Excelsior.]

Toy Story 3. Best of the franchise.

[Travesty]

Or maybe the title has to do with a sleepy little Batman.

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv349/Travesty7007/Batman_am.jpg

[Nevincer]

It doesn't even have to be the best.

I just want a damn good movie.
Same for most of us. But gosh, if this could be Nolan's best film to date, you'd want it to be, wouldn't you? That's why Oldman and Pfister's comments are outrageously exciting for me. I didn't believe he could knock Inception out of the park the way he did, I was just expecting an enjoyable film then too and for it to be ignored as much as Insomnia by the general moviegoer, but then some people now are even of the opinion that Inception was better than The Dark Knight, and that was just magnificent. I'll say I'm not gonna be the one to go pin this one down as the movie where Nolan dips a little, I'd be more than happy if it was and would totally accept it, but being Nolan I'm more than certain anything's possible at this rate. I don't want to have high expectations but I can't help but feel optimism as a beloving fan at this point in time, the man just doesn't fail to impress.

[Excelsior.]

It is not impossible.

Batman breaks his back within the first ten minutes and then we see what led to this in flashbacks, intercut with him "healing". So we can see both Batman in action and Bruce going through hardships.

I also want to add


You can also develop the Bat/Cat relationship this way and it won't be as crippled as Bruce.:cwink:

[KalMart]

It's been a possibility lingering in my mind since I rewatched Begins not long ago and focused upon that scene on the Plane with Bruce and Alfred. A lot of the reason Bruce picked the persona of Batman in Begins was the idea that it was a symbol, it was immortal, that the legend of Batman was going to outlive just the Bruce Wayne character... so him being a matyr in the final film makes sense to me aside from the fact it's an obvious taboo in terms of merchandising, marketing to the kids and treating the character with dignity in the fans minds which would definitely offend people no matter how beautifully Nolan handled it.

That's basically how I imagined it too, with the movie starting out at his memorial service in front of City Hall...Gordon beginning his speech in front of a large bronze memorial statue of Batman. It's now known that he was Bruce Wayne, a 'son of Gotham', and so on. And then we go back and see how it got to that point, saving the city in some huge apocalyptic battle. And of course, we find out at the very end that he didn't really die, but he'll continue his crusade in another role/capacity.

Obviously, they almost assuredly won't go with that in this movie, but it would make a riveting end to a trilogy.

[Caped Crusader]

Need some news to freshen this place up!

[Yurka]

Good luck Yurka, keep me posted if you hear anything from your people and I'll do the same.

Absolutely, to you too man!

[Nevincer]

I also want to add


You can also develop the Bat/Cat relationship this way and it won't be as crippled as Bruce.:cwink:
Yeah, that's definitely what I'd like to see. Reminds me a bit of The Prestige's narrative.

[redfirebird2008]

Topping the Dark Knight.....

My head hurts just thinking about that. It really does.


Why? It has room for improvement IMHO. Granted, I'm more concerned about a dropoff than whether they improve on the first two movies. I'll be satisfied as long as it's a solid flick and not a huge disappointment like so many other threequels.

[TheBatman072]

Batman dying flies in the face of one of TDK's messages.

That Bruce would never not be Batman. That he'd start to NEED Batman.

The idea that Bruce would spend his LIFE as Batman.

Bruce/Batman dying(either for real or staged), and then goes into hiding or goes to lead the LoS outside of Gotham THIS early in his Batman career is...incredibly stupid.

Batman isn't dying. I wish that rumor would die.

[antsman41]

VRICH, is your avatar an edited 12" Hot-toys photo or a sweet real photo I don't have in my folder of 2,000 TDK pics...?

[Goku Goes Crazy]

That new interview with Oldman is great. So he has a lot of scenes with Bane then? That's pretty cool. I wonder what scenes Gordon and Bane could possibly have with eachother, but according to Oldman they do.

[KalMart]

Batman dying flies in the face of one of TDK's messages.

That Bruce would never not be Batman. That he'd start to NEED Batman.

The idea that Bruce would spend his LIFE as Batman.

Bruce/Batman dying(either for real or staged), and then goes into hiding or goes to lead the LoS outside of Gotham THIS early in his Batman career is...incredibly stupid.

Batman isn't dying. I wish that rumor would die.

Fair points, but he could still continue doing 'the work', or the bigger mission, but just not as Batman. If at the end Gotham is pointed in the right direction, and so on....maybe there are other cities in the world that would need that kind of help, too....and this time, he'll have a lot of help.

Obviously, a rather radical departure, but an interesting one for a possible 'alternate' story...along with giving a trilogy a sense of closure but with new doors opened. Similar to how the DKR comic ended, but not with him being as old. We know it won't happen, though.

[Boom]

Bruce Wayne giving up Batman and becoming the new leader of the League of Shadows is easily one of the lamest ideas I have ever heard. Almost as bad as the suggestion that Batman die in the end.

[kvz5]

Oldman's statement about him and Hardy doing a lot of scenes leans more to the theory that Bane will be hired by GPCD rather than Bane working with LOS/Talia plot and that's a good thing for me.

Bruce Wayne giving up Batman and becoming the new leader of the League of Shadows is easily one of the lamest ideas I have ever heard. Almost just as bad as the suggestion that Batman die in the end.

:up:

[Caped Crusader]

VRICH, is your avatar an edited 12" Hot-toys photo or a sweet real photo I don't have in my folder of 2,000 TDK pics...?

Got it from messenjahmatt

[Mako]

Bruce Wayne giving up Batman and becoming the new leader of the League of Shadows is easily one of the lamest ideas I have ever heard. Almost just as bad as the suggestion that Batman die in the end.

Someone actually suggested that? wow.

[Travesty]

Oldman's statement about him and Hardy doing a lot of scenes leans more to the theory that Bane will be hired by GPCD rather than Bane working with LOS/Talia plot and that's a good thing for me.
Or, just like in BB, the LOS has tried to infiltrate Gotham, and Bane is working within GPCD, and Gordon doesn't know who he actually is.

[John Locke]

What if the series ends with Bruce creating Batman Inc.
I mean it ties in with what Bruce said in BB.
"As a man I can be destroyed but as a symbol I can be everlasting"

[KalMart]

Bruce Wayne giving up Batman and becoming the new leader of the League of Shadows is easily one of the lamest ideas I have ever heard. Almost just as bad as the suggestion that Batman die in the end.

It was an example, albeit maybe not a particularly good one. Again, I was looking at the DKR comic as a model, as I liked how that story ended.

[Bat-Mite]

What if the series ends with Bruce creating Batman Inc.
I mean it ties in with what Bruce said in BB.
"As a man I can be destroyed but as a symbol I can be everlasting"That would be a rather lazy story idea.

[Wolverine1988]

That would be a rather lazy story idea.


Pretty sure he was joking/being sarcasting, but if he wasn't that isn't a lazy idea, thats a HORRIBLE idea.

[Bats]

Yeah I'd rather see Batman become the leader of the LOS than Batman Inc appear. I doubt either would happen, but if the 1st one was more about inspiration, I'd be more accepting.

[TheBatman072]

Or, just like in BB, the LOS has tried to infiltrate Gotham, and Bane is working within GPCD, and Gordon doesn't know who he actually is.

Exciting!

[Travesty]

Exciting!Ha, I'm not saying I want that, I'm just throwing out speculations.....

[KalMart]

Or, just like in BB, the LOS has tried to infiltrate Gotham, and Bane is working within GPCD, and Gordon doesn't know who he actually is.

Imagine the police group meeting...with one gigantic guy in the back of the room with a mask on....eating a donut...

[batman11]

You know what else isn't exciting? Alfred is going to be old again in this one. Just like in BB. Gross. :barf:

[TLBorlando]

I'm calling it now. Batman dies. Hate all you want, fellas :awesome:

Now, it would be really sweet if Nolan let the audience think Batman is dead but left a few hints at the end of the movie so it can be open to the interpretation from the audience; maybe Batman could live. This ending would be a lot like Inception.

[Yurka]

I recall Nolan saying he wanted Batman to die in the 3rd film, cant remember where or who I heard that from though. :o

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I want fight scene between Bane and Batman, near the end of the film, where Batman is maskless. I think that would be really badass if like towards the end of the movie, Bane and Batman fought, but Batman was maskless. Like Bruce was wearing his cape and armor, but not his mask. Maskless Batman is so badass, plus it has a lot of meaning. Batman's mask is a big part of the "symbol" of who he is, by Bane ripping off his mask, he's metaphorically ripping away the symbol, and exposing the man. At that point, it would just be two men, fighting for what they believe in! Pure, raw, intense, human emotion and combat!

[craigdbfan]

I want to see a partial torn mask fight scene with Bats and Bane. Something we haven't seen in any of Nolans films now that would be badass.

[joker1524]

Bruce Wayne giving up Batman and becoming the new leader of the League of Shadows is easily one of the lamest ideas I have ever heard. Almost as bad as the suggestion that Batman die in the end.

no the lamest thing posted here was when somebody actually thought that the story of TDKR is that the LOS hired the joker and sent him to gotham...now thats the lamest thing i've heard

[joker1524]

Or, just like in BB, the LOS has tried to infiltrate Gotham, and Bane is working within GPCD, and Gordon doesn't know who he actually is.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/death-star-2.jpg
:awesome:
i'm cool with bane working with gotham police in the hunt for batman but the league can stay away

[craigdbfan]

Never hated the idea of the second giant death star. It was awesome. :up:

[Goku Goes Crazy]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/death-star-2.jpg
:awesome:
i'm cool with bane working with gotham police in the hunt for batman but the league can stay away

Well since we are relating Batman to Star Wars, here's a video I made of what it could have been like if Christian Bale played Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. I used a lot of clips from Batman Begins.

yN8wEfACftU

[TheBatman072]

From Oldman's latest statement, I'm starting to think they ARE merging Bane with Max Cort.

Although that really cheapens Bane as a character.

He'd be pretty much Bane in Name Only.

[KalMart]

They should merge Bane and the Mutant Leader.

[The Joker]

from oldman's latest statement, i'm starting to think they are merging bane with max cort.

Although that really cheapens bane as a character.

He'd be pretty much bane in name only.

He'd be BINO!

[Happy Jack]

From Oldman's latest statement, I'm starting to think they ARE merging Bane with Max Cort.

Although that really cheapens Bane as a character.

He'd be pretty much Bane in Name Only.
You got all that just from Oldman saying he had a lot to do with Hardy in the movie?

[Yurka]

Yea,personally I thought it sounded more like they were merging Bane and Clayface from that interview.

:oldrazz:

[joker1524]

just an idea here guys, Bane is pretty much a mastermind and imo if he can figure out batmans identity then i would imagine that he would have no problem finding out that gordon is protecting batman...does anybody think that bane will actually blackmale gordon into doing his bidding?.... i mean think about it...anybody finds out the relationship that gordon and batman have....its gordons head....thats the only real reason i can think of hardy and oldman having alot of screentime together

[Saint]

From Oldman's latest statement, I've deduced that Tom Hardy is actually playing Talia in disguise, who has been hired by the police who were hired by Black Mask who was hired by Hugo Strange to kill Batman.

[batman11]

Did you forget the Optimus Prime part, or did you intentionally leave it out because it should be naturally assumed by all?

...

Who am I kidding? I know it's the latter. Excuse my stupidity. :csad:

Edit: Also, "I've got quite a bit to do with Tom" = Bane in name only = :lmao:

[Boom]

The Bat Boards pride themselves in having the uncanny ability to make atmospheric leaps in logic.

[KRIM]

The Bat Boards pride themselves in having the uncanny ability to make atmospheric leaps in logic.
It astounds me logic isn't a fundamental standard course in education. :(

[Saint]

Did you forget the Optimus Prime part, or did you intentionally leave it out because it should be naturally assumed by all?

...

Who am I kidding? I know it's the latter. Excuse my stupidity. :csad:

Maybe I'll leave Optimus Prime out of my next epic yarn so as to confuse and terrify the masses. Perhaps a Jack Bauer appearance instead...

[the Wankstar]

Oldman hasnt read the script and just from Nolan telling him the plot I dont think you can really say exactly how many scenes theyll have together. So i really doubt hes gonna be a Max Cort rip off version

[Paste Pot Pete]

If you actually listen closely to Oldman, he actually says (and I quote) -

"Yeah, yeah, and I have a little...and I have quite a bit to do with Tom in this one."

So, you see, I wouldn't obsess over values and "amounts" of screentime. Oldman started to say "a little" and then changed it to "quite a bit" which says to me that their shared screentime may be short but meaty. I could see him using the same description for his shared scenes with Heath Ledger - brief, but important and memorable.

Plus, from my reading of it, he seems to imply that Bane will very much be recognizable as the character we're familiar with. "Well, you know the character" implies that we can imagine how Hardy will be through our common knowledge of the character; that Bane's reputation preceeds him.

[TheBatman072]

I'm seeing a few posts put forth the idea that the GCPD hires Bane to take down Batman.

The now Commissioner Gordon led GCPD hires a guy like Bane to take down Batman.

Yeah. THAT'S a great idea.

And somehow even the possibility of Nolan merging Max Cort and Bane is an "atmospheric leap in logic."

You guys crack me up.

[Boom]

From Oldman's incredibly vague remarks? Yeah. It is quite a leap.

I was making a jab at the entire board (myself included). Lighten up.

[TheBatman072]

From Oldman's incredibly vague remarks? Yeah. It is quite a leap.

I was making a jab at the entire board (myself included). Lighten up.

Back atcha chief.

[Charlie The Red]

This whole concept of Nolan topping The Dark Knight is like God creating a stone so heavy that he can't lift it.

[KRIM]

I'm seeing a few posts put forth the idea that the GCPD hires Bane to take down Batman.

The now Commissioner Gordon led GCPD hires a guy like Bane to take down Batman.

Yeah. THAT'S a great idea.

And somehow even the possibility of Nolan merging Max Cort and Bane is an "atmospheric leap in logic."

You guys crack me up.
They're all wild assumptions.

But if you want clarification, it was completely unfounded to presume any sort of meld of an obscure character when there have been no indications. At the very least with the GPD/Bane team-up scenario, it's an alternative interpretation of Oldman's statements that they will be interacting. You took it one step further and added a confounding variable -- which was made worse when you took it another step further and implied it was inevitable -- and finally you took another step and critiqued how retarded of a concept it was, when it was you that made it in the first place.

:huh:

[the Wankstar]

This whole concept of Nolan topping The Dark Knight is like God creating a stone so heavy that he can't lift it.

Thats why Ive more faith in actual people and not imaginary spooky father figures

[Boom]

Back atcha chief.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg2gpoSgYN1qfw9mr.gif

[Charlie The Red]

Having faith in anything is a bad idea.

[Figs]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg2gpoSgYN1qfw9mr.gif

Hahaha, I love the smile on Bale's face.

Not sure who made this, but they should have added Oldman's head on that guy in the background.

[I Am The Knight]

^^Nolan is the hottest one.

[FCEEVIPER]

"He (Nolan) kind of brings it round to Batman Begins...but it's a really thrilling story, it would have to be' to top the Dark Knight"
I am so excited, I can't freaking wait! :wow:

[Nave 'Torment']

In vaguely related news: AMY ADAMS IS LOIS LANE!

Good call, Snyder. The Superman cast is shaping up great!

Sheer brilliance :up:

I think she's got the acting skills, the sense of humour, and the physicality in her performances to make Lois Lane one of the best things about the film.

And even though she's all kinds of sizzle, I'm glad that Snyder didn't cast Gugino for the part :oldrazz:

[Nave 'Torment']

This whole concept of Nolan topping The Dark Knight is like God creating a stone so heavy that he can't lift it.

Pushing it. Really pushing it. And I don't mean the stone.

[Mastodon123]

From Oldman's incredibly vague remarks? Yeah. It is quite a leap.

I was making a jab at the entire board (myself included). Lighten up.

Yeah for all we know Bane just takes Gordon hostage.

[batman_gr]

No need to bash on religion. It happens. People believe in it. There's not much diffirence between religion and politics or even sports. They all go bad when there are fanatics supporting them.

[Nevincer]

I'm seeing a few posts put forth the idea that the GCPD hires Bane to take down Batman.

The now Commissioner Gordon led GCPD hires a guy like Bane to take down Batman.

Yeah. THAT'S a great idea.

He actually did it in the animated series if I recall :o

[craigdbfan]

Having faith in anything is a bad idea.

I believe in Harvey Dent though.

[frakkingoff]

There's not much diffirence between religion and politics or even sports.

Except one is about the relationship between an imaginary creation and real people, and the others are about the relationships and actions between real people and other real people. So there's a lot of difference - apples and oranges.

He actually did it in the animated series if I recall :o

Wasn't that a fear gas-induced hallucination?

[Nevincer]

Except one is about the relationship between an imaginary creation and real people, and the others are about the relationships and actions between real people and other real people. So there's a lot of difference - apples and oranges.
Please let's not get caught up in the God debate. It never ends well. :dry:

Wasn't that a fear gas-induced hallucination?
Yeah, I think you're correct. Regardless, it's a concept that's been poked at before. I couldn't really see it with Oldman's Gordon, but as AirUpThere suggests below, I don't see why it has to. Gordon is clearly on Batman's side, so as long as he's in charge the threat against Batman won't be particularly credible, it's reasonable to believe he'll be overruled in some way unless they want the GPD to be an afterthought as antagonists in our mind. It sounds ridiculous for Gordon to turn to Bane or any other competant character for obvious reasons, but it makes sense to me that he won't have a say in the matter.

[RoughNTumble]

Except one is about the relationship between an imaginary creation and real people, and the others are about the relationships and actions between real people and other real people. So there's a lot of difference - apples and oranges.


I don't disagree with you, but this is not the place for that. I'm so past being interested in it. Surely there's a religion board or topic somewhere on this site.

[Nevincer]

I'm so past being interested in it.
Seriously. :o I don't know what it is, but it seems whenever an ounce of religious belief is implied in one unrelated topic, some edgy atheist is ready to pounce at said believer and "win one for the team" or something. It's a bit embarassing. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be that, it's just someone mentioning God in concept, and then the thread gets somewhat derailed like it's at risk of now.

It's hard to watch because it's such a sensitive subject, and then if one of the powers that be happens to be religious and finds a user obnoxious, then that otherwise reasonable person has to be banished because they couldn't let go of telling someone what they should or should not believe. I'm not even just an Atheist, I'm actually completely Anti-Theistic and have no sympathy for religion when it comes to my own personal values but this topic never ceases to annoy me from either side. Just drop it, you don't have enough influence on an anonymous internet person's worldview to alter what they think whatsoever.

[Avengers-Report]

I'm seeing a few posts put forth the idea that the GCPD hires Bane to take down Batman.

The now Commissioner Gordon led GCPD hires a guy like Bane to take down Batman.

Yeah. THAT'S a great idea.

And somehow even the possibility of Nolan merging Max Cort and Bane is an "atmospheric leap in logic."

You guys crack me up.

What if the mayor brings him in and says Gordan has to work with him? How hard is that to set up?

[BatmanBeyond]

Seriously. :o I don't know what it is, but it seems whenever an ounce of religious belief is implied in one unrelated topic, some edgy atheist is ready to pounce at said believer and "win one for the team" or something. It's a bit embarassing. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be that, it's just someone mentioning God in concept, and then the thread gets somewhat derailed like it's at risk of now.

It's hard to watch because it's such a sensitive subject, and then if one of the powers that be happens to be religious and finds a user obnoxious, then that otherwise reasonable person has to be banished because they couldn't let go of telling someone what they should or should not believe. I'm not even just an Atheist, I'm actually completely Anti-Theistic and have no sympathy for religion when it comes to my own personal values but this topic never ceases to annoy me from either side. Just drop it, you don't have enough influence on an anonymous internet person's worldview to alter what they think whatsoever.

I'd highly recommend you guys read this article, if you have the time: http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on.html?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=flashback

Also, Gary Oldman is awesome. :awesome:

[CrimsonDeath]

Except one is about the relationship between an imaginary creation and real people, and the others are about the relationships and actions between real people and other real people. So there's a lot of difference - apples and oranges.



The difference is in what you focus and how you phrase it.

I have more faith in the imaginary Batman character than I do people, since so many are so rotten it's not a bad idea to have faith in a proper imaginary creation.

Religion is nothing but relationships among people and cultures. The teachings of their particular god is just their excuse to justify whatever they think benefits them the most. And since people are so rotten, we just have the illusion that religion causes the woes of mankind, when really that's just the excuse of people failing to bear the responsibility of their actions against each other. The fault lies in people believing nonsense, acting it out against each other. A lot like politics and the particular ideology. Just live and let live.

That's why Bane is his own God... from Bane of the Demon miniseries.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0319.jpg
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0320.jpg

[Carmine Falcone]

^ Wow, awesome page right there. Is the rest of that comic worth checking out?

[craigdbfan]

The difference is in what you focus and how you phrase it.

I have more faith in the imaginary Batman character than I do people, since so many are so rotten it's not a bad idea to have faith in a proper imaginary creation.

Religion is nothing but relationships among people and cultures. The teachings of their particular god is just their excuse to justify whatever they think benefits them the most. And since people are so rotten, we just have the illusion that religion causes the woes of mankind, when really that's just the excuse of people failing to bear the responsibility of their actions against each other. The fault lies in people believing nonsense, acting it out against each other. A lot like politics and the particular ideology. Just live and let live.

That's why Bane is his own God... from Bane of the Demon miniseries.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0319.jpg
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0320.jpg

There's a freakishly uncanny resemblance to Hardy in the 2nd panel. That is spooky stuff. TDKR is going to be incredible. I know its way to early to call but I think its safe to say we have quite a movie in store.

[Saint]

The difference is in what you focus and how you phrase it.

I have more faith in the imaginary Batman character than I do people, since so many are so rotten it's not a bad idea to have faith in a proper imaginary creation.

Religion is nothing but relationships among people and cultures. The teachings of their particular god is just their excuse to justify whatever they think benefits them the most. And since people are so rotten, we just have the illusion that religion causes the woes of mankind, when really that's just the excuse of people failing to bear the responsibility of their actions against each other. The fault lies in people believing nonsense, acting it out against each other. A lot like politics and the particular ideology. Just live and let live.
Generally speaking, people aren't rotten,they're just... morally stupid. If they were rotten, they would be aware of their own evil, which is seldom the case. It's an important distinction, because if people are inherently rotten, then we're boned. Stupidity, on the other hand, can be fixed (and we've been gradually fixing it for a long time, which is why we're not burning witches right now).

[batman_gr]

I didn't mean to kick off a discussion about God or his absence/nonexistence. I was trying to make a point about being democratical and respecting all kinds of views no matter how stupid or philosophical they may be.

After all, this is not the Superman forums! There, we could have a proper discussion about Supes and JC.

[Ekricket]

Generally speaking, people aren't rotten,they're just... morally stupid. If they were rotten, they would be aware of their own evil, which is seldom the case. It's an important distinction, because if people are inherently rotten, then we're boned. Stupidity, on the other hand, can be fixed (and we've been gradually fixing it for a long time, which is why we're not burning witches right now).


I think the word you are looking for is ignorant.

Stupidity is an independent space-time constant and cannot be destroyed or eliminated. If it disappears from one place it is only because it has transformed itself into another place in time or space that is more receptive to it's existence. The unfortunate thing is that when it was created there was an infinite amount. It does tend to clump together, forming a locus commonly called a cluster-****.

[Boom]

This discussion is getting quite deep, and I haven't even had breakfast yet :csad:.

[Rodrigo90]

Being philosophical was never my strong point,just Socretes',so Im keeping out of it. :woot:

[Unmasked]

The difference is in what you focus and how you phrase it.

I have more faith in the imaginary Batman character than I do people, since so many are so rotten it's not a bad idea to have faith in a proper imaginary creation.

Religion is nothing but relationships among people and cultures. The teachings of their particular god is just their excuse to justify whatever they think benefits them the most. And since people are so rotten, we just have the illusion that religion causes the woes of mankind, when really that's just the excuse of people failing to bear the responsibility of their actions against each other. The fault lies in people believing nonsense, acting it out against each other. A lot like politics and the particular ideology. Just live and let live.

That's why Bane is his own God... from Bane of the Demon miniseries.

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0319.jpg
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo25/DarthCrimsonDeath/baneofthedemon0320.jpg





Holy shmoly

That looks good

I could totally see Hardy with that look

[batman_gr]

I think the word you are looking for is ignorant.

Stupidity is an independent space-time constant and cannot be destroyed or eliminated. If it disappears from one place it is only because it has transformed itself into another place in time or space that is more receptive to it's existence. The unfortunate thing is that when it was created there was an infinite amount. It does tend to clump together, forming a locus commonly called a cluster-****.

Well said!

[Anjow1060]

(and we've been gradually fixing it for a long time, which is why we're not burning witches right now).

*takes off Pilgrim hat and hides torch behind back*

... Yeah!

- Jow

[Boom]

Bane's face in that last panel reminds me of this:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m265/K-Castelle/46226311.jpg

[conan69]

I agree most people are ignorant, and blissfully so.

[the Wankstar]

For the LoS are returning people dont you think its more likely that the Chinesse would take some sort of action...I mean some nut did kidnap one of their people and blow up a chunk of a big building downtown

Jack Bauer would agree

[antsman41]

For the LoS are returning people dont you think its more likely that the Chinesse would take some sort of action...I mean some nut did kidnap one of their people and blow up a chunk of a big building downtown

Jack Bauer would agree

Maybe the rest of China isn't good at calculation...?

[Charlie The Red]

Humans are, generally speaking, no different than a virus. Like all living organisms, the only guarantee in our existence is that we will consume, procreate or at least have a desire to procreate, and die.

Everything else is an exception to the rule, just as life is the exception - not the rule - within the universe. Actions are labeled "good" and "evil," but we all have the equal potential to do both in any given circumstance from within a human context. In a cosmological context, however, we're essentially the greatest problem from within our universe and will ultimately have at least some part to play in destroying it. Case in point: our planet.

It may very well be that the universe is the body, and life is the disease. From that point of view, who's to say we aren't all evil by our own definition?

*flops out blue penis*

[Dragon_316ca]

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/03/28/theres-probably-a-written-ending-to-the-dark-knight-rises-script

Devin Faraci:

Gary Oldman is telling people that there’s no written ending to the script for The Dark Knight Rises, that you have to get it from Nolan himself, who keeps it secure in his own head in order to stymie people like me from getting the ending and publishing it online.


Except as far as I know this isn’t true. There’s a written script and a written ending. It’s been seen by people in production, and it’s been seen by Warner Bros executives. Some of whom, I’ve heard multiple times, aren’t thrilled with it. But it exists.


What I imagine has happened is that Oldman, tied with Michael Caine as ‘Guy Most Likely To Say Any Old **** About A Batman Movie,’ is only getting his own sides on this script so that he doesn’t blab anything. This may happen with a number of the actors, especially this far out from production, and which makes perfect sense. Of course that won’t stop this from becoming the true myth of The Dark Knight Rises, and it won’t stop people involved with the movie – possibly even Nolan himself – from continuing a delightful story, even if it has little basis in fact. After all it SOUNDS great that the script is so secure it exists only in Christopher Nolan’s brain.


Although even there it’s susceptible to extraction…

[Nave 'Torment']

I believe in Harvey Dent though.

I believe in Gotham City. :cwink:

[Nave 'Torment']

Being philosophical was never my strong point,just Socretes',so Im keeping out of it. :woot:

:D yep, and the guy is famous for saying how the wisest peeps are those who know they're dumb.

AND Soc here was against writing **** down, thinking that it'd get in the way of actually mentally remembering ****.

But oh well. :)

[Gianakin_]

Oh my, some people aren't thrilled with TDKR's ending? Nolan ruined Batman! Thank God for Devin's sly input to a supposedly informational article.

[raybia]

I agree most people are ignorant, and blissfully so.

I don't think there is anything about ignorance that is blissful unless you are an infant.

[the Wankstar]

Devin is beyond terrible

[raybia]

I think people use moral stupidity as a catchphrase to hide themselves from the truth that they are inherently rotten. Call me a cynic, but I think you're giving humanity way too much credit. That's not to say evil exists solely in the realm of serial killers. But I'm of the conviction that people by default are inherently bad or rotten to a certain degree and we have the capacity to be good when the situation arises. But I don't believe people are morally stupid unless they are 6 years old and haven't been taught what is right and what is wrong; now there's a case for moral stupidity. But all those guys who screwed over the financial market yeahhhhhh.....not buying that they were "morally stupid."

I don't believe that newborn infants have anything in them that is ingerently bad or rotten. They are a clean slate waiting to be shaped and moulded by those that rear them, the environment/situation they are in and eventually, when they come of age, by their own hand.

[malnat11]

Devin is probably trying to cover his ass because he knows that the plot outline that was leaked a month ago from his site is bullshizzz!!

[raybia]

[QUOTE=Nave 'Torment';19951161]:D yep, and the guy is famous for saying how the wisest peeps are those who know they're dumb.

[QUOTE]


Not exactly.

[rashad]

LOL at Devin "thinking" he's in the know like that.

[MaceB]

Oh my, some people aren't thrilled with TDKR's ending? Nolan ruined Batman! Thank God for Devin's sly input to a supposedly informational article.

Still, I'm prepping myself for the possibility that Nolan might close Batman's story completely.... disallowing other directors the ability to work on top of his series... ala Bond.
Batman could die... or Bruce could feel like he's won so he doesn't need Batman anymore.... Someone could take over for Batman.... etc.
Nolan leaves open this very real possibility every time he proclaims TDKR as an end to Bruce Wayne's story. As a storyteller, it makes sense that he'd want to have a climactic end to the Batman story arch... and it might be something he'll do, despite diehard Batman fans and WB Execs hating the idea.

[Gianakin_]

Still, I'm prepping myself for the possibility that Nolan might close Batman's story completely.... disallowing other directors the ability to work on top of his series... ala Bond.
Batman could die... or Bruce could feel like he's won so he doesn't need Batman anymore.... Someone could take over for Batman.... etc.
Nolan leaves open this very real possibility every time he proclaims TDKR as an end to Bruce Wayne's story. As a storyteller, it makes sense that he'd want to have a climactic end to the Batman story arch... and it might be something he'll do, despite diehard Batman fans and WB Execs hating the idea.

Ending it in that way, if it's done purposefully and tastefully then it's not a terrible ending. For example, 2Face dying in TDK didn't sit well with a considerable amount of viewers, but that doesn't mean it wasn't done well. They didn't like the choice, not the execution of it.

Knowing Devin, he was trying to imply the latter about TDKR's finale.

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