We Wish The Wrestling Thread The Best In All Its Future Endeavors.

[Nemi]

Kinda like Ron White when he was on the high school debate team. *cue family style flashback*

[Zanham]

LOL, that's one way to respond to a valid point.

YES IT IS! :up:

I'm no rocket scientist but this planet works and functions in ways we don't know and can't understand. Travel does weird **** to people man. So does photography and related things but that's a whole other topic and discussion for me.

[RetroNaz]

YES IT IS! :up:

I'm no rocket scientist but this planet works and functions in ways we don't know and can't understand. Travel does weird **** to people man. So does photography and related things but that's a whole other topic and discussion for me.

Come back from a recent holiday or trip?

[The Sage]

You don't know what you're talking about, go eat some raw meat or something.

Rock got beat by Lesnar and Goldberg because the travel caught up with him. I was never a Rock fan but I really think he might have the best grip on the whole thing and that's what may ultimately lead him to victory over Cena if he chooses to give it another a go. I don't care either way, much, I'm not going to urge or pressure these guys into going forward with this or that. That's just how I see it at this point.

:lmao:

[Spider-ManHero12]

make crap movies?? Oh, please. Has it ever occured to anybody that the Rock losing may cause people to stop watching wrestling? The company has gone downhill as it is (IMO) and the only things that are truly making me still watch are Undertaker, Triple H, Rock, and Edge/Christian.

People complain about there not being enough "big things" in the company. Well, as far as I'm concerned, THIS IS big. Seeing The Rock take out Cena has been a wrestling dream of mine for a while.

[strikezone89]

My notes from Raw Live Last night:

Last night's Raw was excellent. Before Raw they taped NXT which not one person cared about and chanted this is boring through the whole show.

They taped Superstars after that and the biggest pop went to the Divas, nothing too special

When they began to tape Raw, CM Punk came out and got a HUGE pop. Luckily the crowd had more adults then kids so the chants were wild and huge.

Triple H/Taker segment was hot and when HBK came out the crowd went freaking nuts.

The Rock segment was fantastic and the crowd loved it.

Biggest Pops:
Taker/HHH , Rock, Punk

Biggest Heat:
Vicky, Cena, Miz

[BlackLantern]

so kids are not welcome at WWE events now??

[Kaleb]

Sounds like I missed a good raw

[Hunter Rider]

You don't know what you're talking about, go eat some raw meat or something.

Rock got beat by Lesnar and Goldberg because the travel caught up with him. I was never a Rock fan but I really think he might have the best grip on the whole thing and that's what may ultimately lead him to victory over Cena if he chooses to give it another a go. I don't care either way, much, I'm not going to urge or pressure these guys into going forward with this or that. That's just how I see it at this point.
:huh:

[The Sage]

Oh, please. Has it ever occured to anybody that the Rock losing may cause people to stop watching wrestling? The company has gone downhill as it is (IMO) and the only things that are truly making me still watch are Undertaker, Triple H, Rock, and Edge/Christian.

People complain about there not being enough "big things" in the company. Well, as far as I'm concerned, THIS IS big. Seeing The Rock take out Cena has been a wrestling dream of mine for a while.

And what exactly's going to happen if Rock beats Cena? Are ratings going to double?

Rock lost to Brock Lesnar, Hurricane of all people, and then Goldberg. I doubt it'll make a difference in ratings if he loses to Cena.

[Kaleb]

:huh:the hell ?how the hell did I miss that?

[strikezone89]

so kids are not welcome at WWE events now??
:huh:

[BlackLantern]

My notes from Raw Live Last night:

Last night's Raw was excellent. Before Raw they taped NXT which not one person cared about and chanted this is boring through the whole show.

They taped Superstars after that and the biggest pop went to the Divas, nothing too special

When they began to tape Raw, CM Punk came out and got a HUGE pop. Luckily the crowd had more adults then kids so the chants were wild and huge.

Triple H/Taker segment was hot and when HBK came out the crowd went freaking nuts.

The Rock segment was fantastic and the crowd loved it.

Biggest Pops:
Taker/HHH , Rock, Punk

Biggest Heat:
Vicky, Cena, Miz

I bet the hardcore IWC types would like it if children were banned from wrestling all together

[Spider-ManHero12]

And what exactly's going to happen if Rock beats Cena? Are ratings going to double? Ratings will most likely go up until Rock leaves. The pay-per-view alone will have solds lots.

[strikezone89]

I bet the hardcore IWC types would like it if children were banned from wrestling all together
hmm no... I meant that because of the adult:kid ratio, there were not huge Cena chants, and Punk didn't get booed the whole time. It was nice because the last event I went to in Chicago there were tons of kids there and going to an event with a large amout of kids kinda sucks because they constantly hold there signs in the air during all the time and they scream at the type of their lungs for Cena.

[Zanham]

:huh:

Yeah it's true.

Travel does play a factor and believe it or not, people are supposedly made of these little things that no one can even see called cells and they are made up of something even smaller called DNA. Crazy nonsense, right?

And believe it or not, there's even a rumor going around that we landed on the moon over 40 years ago.
:dry:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah it's true.

Travel does play a factor and believe it or not, people are supposedly made of these little things that no one can even see called cells and they are made up of something even smaller called DNA. Crazy nonsense, right?

And believe it or not, there's even a rumor going around that we landed on the moon over 40 years ago.
:dry:
What are talking about? Rock lost those matches because that was the outcome that was booked.

[Zanham]

What are talking about? Rock lost those matches because that was the outcome that was booked.

That could be but... travel plays a significant role in any decision making process, one way or another, be it known or unknown.:dry:

I don't believe you get to the top of the wrestling business or any business by going along with what's scheduled or booked 100% of the time without question.

Hell, some of the best innovations by mankind have been by mistake spawned from downright disobedience and defiance. Of course, that's only what the records and books claim so it should be taken with a grain of salt, of course.

[Heretic]

Edge won his 10th world title from Kane...he was stripped of the title after using an illegal move in a match...he regained the title later that night, which would be his 11th title reign. Whether or not WWE recognizes this is another issue entirely...

Also,

Someone mentioned a few pages back that The Miz should have been layed out in the ring unconscious from the Peoples Elbow...

Miz is the world champion...he was fresh and uninjured...he was given a transition move from a guy who hasnt wrestled in years. Why should he have been layed out?? Is The People's Elbow really supposed to be a move that knocks people out long term???

[Hotwire]

Zanham, you do know it's all a staged show, right? Because, from the sound of some of your posts, one may get the impression, that you don't.

[The Chris]

The people's elbow is one of rock's finishers. He's beaten people with that move. I can understand the need for miz to get out of ring though.

[Zanham]

Zanham, you do know it's all a staged show, right? Because, from the sound of some of your posts, one may get the impression, that you don't.

:wow: Derp-a-derp, ok I'll take it all at face value! HAHA!!:doh:

[NickSox]

That could be but... travel plays a significant role in any decision making process, one way or another, be it known or unknown.:dry:

I don't believe you get to the top of the wrestling business or any business by going along with what's scheduled or booked 100% of the time without question.

Hell, some of the best innovations by mankind have been by mistake spawned from downright disobedience and defiance. Of course, that's only what the records and books claim so it should be taken with a grain of salt, of course.

huh?

[Zanham]

huh?

Don't believe what you see through someone else' photo lenses. :dry:

[NickSox]

Don't believe what you see through someone else' photo lenses. :dry:

You mean everything I sees on da teevee aint real?! Well dagnabbit I jus don' believe it!

[Kaleb]

Seriously who are these ppl?

[Hotwire]

:wow: Derp-a-derp, ok I'll take it all at face value! HAHA!!:doh:

Well, what do you expect when you make posts that imply that The Rock lost matches because he was worn out from travel? He lost those matches because that was what had been decided on. Now, he may have been asking for time off because of travel, and because of that, they scripted it for him to lose. But that's a whole different point.

[bullets]

That could be but... travel plays a significant role in any decision making process, one way or another, be it known or unknown.:dry:




I get what your saying but Rock's not heavy with the politics judging by his win/loss record. I think he was more willing to put over Goldberg and Evolution because of his movie career but it's not something he minds doing. As we saw Rock sell the A.A. walking out the ring we know he'll have no problem letting Cena go over him.

[Zanham]

You mean everything I sees on da teevee aint real?! Well dagnabbit I jus don' believe it!

I know, I was just as shocked as you when I discovered this may be a possibility.:dry:

Sadly, what we deem as not reality may indeed be the actual reality for this planet covered by all the non-reality for very real reasons.

Cena does keep insisting 'we cannot see him.'

[Pink Ranger]

As much as I'd like to see the Rock beat Cena, it would just kill the WWE if he did that, unless he stuck around for a month or two afterward to work a program against someone like Orton or Punk (which, sadly, won't happen). Rock finishing Cena clean and then just walking off to film Fast Escape from Tooth Fairy Mountain of Doom would just be cruel to Cena and all he's given the WWE.

I smell a dusty no-contest finish in the works. i.e. Miz/Reilly, Punxus or the Corre run in and beat them up, only for the Rock and Cena to team up to throw them out and then pose for the weeping fans.

[BlackLantern]

so WWE All Stars...best wrestling game ive played in almost a decade...its fun its fast....my first 3 matches were JoMo vs Steamboat, Austin vs Orton, and Orton vs Piper

all awesome

[NickSox]

I know, I was just as shocked as you when I discovered this may be a possibility.:dry:

Sadly, what we deem as not reality may indeed be the actual reality for this planet covered by all the non-reality for very real reasons.

Cena does keep insisting 'we cannot see him.'

Alright, you're still not makin any sense, so onto the wrestling. Anyone know of any rumored feuds to take place after Wrestlemania? I'm pretty sick of Orton, Punk helps that feud out though.

[Zanham]

Alright, you're still not makin any sense, so onto the wrestling. Anyone know of any rumored feuds to take place after Wrestlemania? I'm pretty sick of Orton, Punk helps that feud out though.

Hmmmm, you don't believe I know everything in regards to everything and you seem to believe that every bit of knowledge given thus far in regards to everything is 100% flawless.

[BlackLantern]

so im playing one of the story modes as JoMo...and I am now in a 4 way elimination match with HBK, Bret Hart, and Savage

its ON LIKE MUTHA****IN' DONKEY KONG!!!!

[Hotwire]

Hmmmm, you don't believe I know everything in regards to everything and you seem to believe that every bit of knowledge given thus far in regards to everything is 100% flawless.

I'm trying to decide if you are either tolling, or under the influence of something. Not sure.

[Heretic]

so im playing one of the story modes as JoMo...and I am now in a 4 way elimination match with HBK, Bret Hart, and Savage

its ON LIKE MUTHA****IN' DONKEY KONG!!!!

Is JoMo built like the Hulk like everyone else in the game?

[BlackLantern]

a little...everyone is kinda chunky but the game is over the top so the style fits

[NickSox]

I'm trying to decide if you are either tolling, or under the influence of something. Not sure.

I'm thinking a nice mix of both

[NickSox]

so im playing one of the story modes as JoMo...and I am now in a 4 way elimination match with HBK, Bret Hart, and Savage

its ON LIKE MUTHA****IN' DONKEY KONG!!!!

The game plays to me like a faster wcw/nwo revenge for the 64. Anyone remember that awesome game?

[BlackLantern]

pretty much....and Im fine with it

I dont need to spend countless hours building my perfect WWE universe where things are just and right, I just want to smack the crap out of people and watch them bounce 12 feet in the air

[Heretic]

I remember one game back in the day, where once a "season" or whatever...HBK would come to my character backstage and ask me to be his backup in a match...and every time he did, I turned on him and helped his opponent destroy him. I liked that game because I never got bored of beating up HBK (as I've said before, HBK walked up to once in real life to shake my hand, and even then I couldnt help myself and blurted out "You screwed Bret" and brushed him off)

[BlackLantern]

jeezus H, Heretic.....wow

need a hug, man?

I look at that situation and I see that HBK and Hebner were just following orders...that was all Vince...what was HBK supposed to do? say no?

[bullets]

WWE Releases Finlay

Submitted by Daniel Pena on March 29, 2011 - 12:25pm
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World Wrestling Entertainment released Dave Finlay yesterday. He had been solely working as a producer since retiring from in-ring competition last year.
WWE Champion The Miz was booked to interrupt the national anthem during a live event in Champaign, Illinois on Friday. A number of representatives for the National Guard were in attendance (a major partner and sponsor for WWE )and they were not pleased with the anthem being used to garner heel heat.
Once key WWE officials were informed of the ordeal, a decision was made to terminate his contract, since he was the event's top producer.
His release from the organization comes as a shock to numerous employees. Finlay is well liked and many people are hoping that it is a situation where he could be brought back in the future.
Finlay had been with the company since 2001 and was considered the top producer in the organization. Many credit him with orchestrating the women's division over the past decade.

[NickSox]

pretty much....and Im fine with it

I dont need to spend countless hours building my perfect WWE universe where things are just and right, I just want to smack the crap out of people and watch them bounce 12 feet in the air

Oh yea, I was using the comparison to wcw/nwo cause to me that was the last great wrestling game, and I think there was a wwf one for the 64 that was good too.

[Slushy]

Shawn always has a different story everytime he's interviewed about Montreal. In his book, he says he masterminded the whole thing, but on the DVD, he said he was just following orders. Okay, which is it? Either way, Shawn Michaels helped force Bret Hart out of the WWF given the power struggle between the two.

I used to despise HBK for years for what he did to my favorite wrestler, but now I don't mind him screwing over Bret though ever since I came across in a 1997 interview where HBK admitted he was intentionally an assh*le to The Hitman just to get a rise out of him and had no problem with Hart not liking him for it. Besides, as much as I like Bret, he should've taken a pay cut if he wanted to stick around.

[BlackLantern]

this is what I think happened....just my view

- Vince knew Bret was thinking about leaving, and having a big ego acted like he didn't care if Bret left or not

- Bret decides to accept WCWs offer and tells Vince....Bret (being champ) at the time sits down with Vince to discuss his exit

- Vince wants to put the belt on Shawn and Bret doesn't like that so there is a bit of a stalemate

- Vince lies to Bret and says he can retain the belt and vacate it the night after Survivor Series

- he then goes to HBK and Hebner and gives them the plan.....threatening to s*** can them both if they say anything

[Darkness Falls]

even as a pro wwe fan
i didn't like ANY of raw

i hated the fact taker/hhh did a promo hyping the match at mania at shawn's expense

and of course the rock/miz/cena confrontation

[bullets]

this is what I think happened....just my view

- Vince knew Bret was thinking about leaving, and having a big ego acted like he didn't care if Bret left or not

- Bret decides to accept WCWs offer and tells Vince....Bret (being champ) at the time sits down with Vince to discuss his exit

- Vince wants to put the belt on Shawn and Bret doesn't like that so there is a bit of a stalemate

- Vince lies to Bret and says he can retain the belt and vacate it the night after Survivor Series

- he then goes to HBK and Hebner and gives them the plan.....threatening to s*** can them both if they say anything


Sounds about right. In the end Bret wouldn't of really lost anything by jobbing to Shawn IMO. It's just one of those things were I don't think any one person was completely reasonable.

[SpideyVille]

this is what I think happened....just my view

- Vince knew Bret was thinking about leaving, and having a big ego acted like he didn't care if Bret left or not

- Bret decides to accept WCWs offer and tells Vince....Bret (being champ) at the time sits down with Vince to discuss his exit

- Vince wants to put the belt on Shawn and Bret doesn't like that so there is a bit of a stalemate

- Vince lies to Bret and says he can retain the belt and vacate it the night after Survivor Series

- he then goes to HBK and Hebner and gives them the plan.....threatening to s*** can them both if they say anything

I think in the HBK dvd from a while ago that Triple H said he was actually the one who suggested that Vince screw Bret since he wasn't willing to "do business."

[The Sage]

so WWE All Stars...best wrestling game ive played in almost a decade...its fun its fast....my first 3 matches were JoMo vs Steamboat, Austin vs Orton, and Orton vs Piper

all awesome

So definitely worth getting?

WWE Releases Finlay

Submitted by Daniel Pena on March 29, 2011 - 12:25pm
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World Wrestling Entertainment released Dave Finlay yesterday. He had been solely working as a producer since retiring from in-ring competition last year.
WWE Champion The Miz was booked to interrupt the national anthem during a live event in Champaign, Illinois on Friday. A number of representatives for the National Guard were in attendance (a major partner and sponsor for WWE )and they were not pleased with the anthem being used to garner heel heat.
Once key WWE officials were informed of the ordeal, a decision was made to terminate his contract, since he was the event's top producer.
His release from the organization comes as a shock to numerous employees. Finlay is well liked and many people are hoping that it is a situation where he could be brought back in the future.
Finlay had been with the company since 2001 and was considered the top producer in the organization. Many credit him with orchestrating the women's division over the past decade.

:csad::csad:

[BlackLantern]

id say it is....I just totally housed Sheamus with the Rock....I gave him like 6 rock bottoms

[Slushy]

I'm just pissed at Vince because the whole thing was preventable. The ONLY reason he wanted to make Bret lose to Shawn (a guy Bret really didn't like and had previously jobbed to at WM 12 in what I consider to be the greatest match of all time) in Canada was to humiliate him and make him look like damaged goods for WCW. Bret was willing to drop the title to Austin, Foley, or Undertaker, but Vince wanted to be a dick and wouldn't any of that happen so that's when Bret wanted to vacate the title. I just find it funny so many people give Bret sh** about refusing to job once yet they give Shawn (whose vacated titles more than anybody else) a free pass!


It's hard to fault anything Cena said last night because on one hand he was shining the Rock's jock...real nice about how he's back, how the people love him, the electricity and then on the other hand, he acknowledged that he's (CENA) happy the way he is and quite honestly, Cena being such a happy go lucky face with a kiddie demographic doesn't exactly make him an a-hole, it just makes him annoying. So in all fairness to Cena, he cut quite a smart promo and I was wondering how the Rock would respond but true to form, like the legendary brahama bull, Rock's response was short, sweet and straight to the point.

This whole Cena situation did remind me of the fans turning on the Rock when he was running with the Rocky Maivia name, the only difference is, Cena will never ever be able to pull off the charismatic, trash talking bully that the Rock was/is able


I think one reason Cena and Vince held off on a heel turn (at least for this long) is because they know the fans will wind up cheering for him again making the turn pointless.

The constant disrespect for John Cena always has astounded me. He's good on the mic when he's not making corny jokes, CAN put on good matches (Remember his Great American Bash 2007 match against Bobby Lashley?), and has made the WWE the most money since the likes of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold. Even though the majority boo him out of the building because they didn't like his babyface character change (funny coincidence now that you mentioned since he's feuding with the guy once known as Rocky Maivia), the company didn't listen to the fans for once because of the millions of dollars they were making. Why kill your golden goose? Again, an unpopular decision, but at the end of the day, its just business.


I think it would lessen the win for the Undertaker if Shawn costs Triple H the match, and cheapen his legacy if he loses to Triple H because of Shawn. I mean, this is the Undertaker, the man who it took like 10 guys to bury. To think one man like HBK could take him down in such a cheap way would piss me off. Maybe its because I don't want to see the streak end, but I'd be pretty mad if Shawn costs him the match, accidentally or on purpose.


They're going to do it just for the sake of continuity with Shawn's involvement and changing things up otherwise it'll be too much like WM 17.


Edge won his 10th world title from Kane...he was stripped of the title after using an illegal move in a match...he regained the title later that night, which would be his 11th title reign. Whether or not WWE recognizes this is another issue entirely...


Its official as Dolph Ziggler is recognized as a former world champion! :woot:

[Hunter Rider]

Alright, you're still not makin any sense, so onto the wrestling. Anyone know of any rumored feuds to take place after Wrestlemania? I'm pretty sick of Orton, Punk helps that feud out though.

Usually these days the first month after Mania sees some rematches but I'm hoping this year they switch things up as the main feuds on Raw are pretty stale, I guess a lot will depend on wins at Mania and how much longer Rock is sticking around.

so im playing one of the story modes as JoMo...and I am now in a 4 way elimination match with HBK, Bret Hart, and Savage

its ON LIKE MUTHA****IN' DONKEY KONG!!!!

Is it basically the wrestling version of NBA Jam?

The game plays to me like a faster wcw/nwo revenge for the 64. Anyone remember that awesome game?

Oh yes, those were my favourite wrestling games, that engine from AKI was brilliant.

WWE Releases Finlay

Submitted by Daniel Pena on March 29, 2011 - 12:25pm
Posted In:

World Wrestling Entertainment released Dave Finlay yesterday. He had been solely working as a producer since retiring from in-ring competition last year.
WWE Champion The Miz was booked to interrupt the national anthem during a live event in Champaign, Illinois on Friday. A number of representatives for the National Guard were in attendance (a major partner and sponsor for WWE )and they were not pleased with the anthem being used to garner heel heat.
Once key WWE officials were informed of the ordeal, a decision was made to terminate his contract, since he was the event's top producer.
His release from the organization comes as a shock to numerous employees. Finlay is well liked and many people are hoping that it is a situation where he could be brought back in the future.
Finlay had been with the company since 2001 and was considered the top producer in the organization. Many credit him with orchestrating the women's division over the past decade.

:whatever:

I think in the HBK dvd from a while ago that Triple H said he was actually the one who suggested that Vince screw Bret since he wasn't willing to "do business."

Yep, Shawn tells pretty much the same story on his DVD as in his book, that he and Vince kinda skated around things but that Triple H was the one to put it out there and made it real.

[BlackLantern]

yes...actually one of the lead producers/designers of the game worked on NBA Jam

[Hunter Rider]

I'm just pissed at Vince because the whole thing was preventable. The ONLY reason he wanted to make Bret lose to Shawn (a guy Bret really didn't like and had previously jobbed to at WM 12 in what I consider to be the greatest match of all time) in Canada was to humiliate him and make him look like damaged goods for WCW. Bret was willing to drop the title to Austin, Foley, or Undertaker, but Vince wanted to be a dick and wouldn't any of that happen so that's when Bret wanted to vacate the title. I just find it funny so many people give Bret **** about refusing to job once yet they give Shawn (whose vacated titles more than anybody else) a free pass!

That wasn't why Vince wanted the job done, he needed the belt on Shawn because he was the top heel in the company and the plan was for Taker vs Shawn at Rumble and then for the big HBK vs Austin main event for Mania where Austin would be crowned champion, these were plans that weren't gonna be changed just so Bret didn't have to job in Canada where they think he's real.

Shawn forfeited one title with a damaged knee, one after he was beaten up and one when he was suspended for failing a drugs test, on none of these occasions was he going to a rival company that was still winning in the ratings, where they could claim to have the true WWF champion as he'd never lost the belt, which is exactly what Bret was proposing.

[Metallo]

What harm does it do to have the Rock beat them? Miz and Cena I'm sure have many more years in the business, them being beat by a more popular and superior athlete is going to hurt the company or the characters. After the disgrace that was the Rock losing horrendously to lesnar and especially goldberg, he deserves to anihalate Cena of all people.

Full time top WWE guys getting beating by a part timer who hasn't wrestled in 7 years would make Cena look terrible and Cena is the face of the company. Hogan did the honors for Rock and Rock should do the same for Cena. Rock got made by other people laying down for him. Thats the way it goes to keep the company going.

Cenas beaten a lot of the same people Rock has and combine that with the ring rust Rock should have Rock just coming in and beating Cena then leaving is just bad business. You don't crap on your current top guys like that. They're the ones who have to make WWE money every day.



Ratings will most likely go up until Rock leaves. The pay-per-view alone will have solds lots.

Since his part time return the ratings haven't seen any massive upswing. The only time they are higher is when he's actually there doing something important. Wrestlemania always does well. Rock may add some numbers but its goign to do a big buyrate regardless.


Sounds about right. In the end Bret wouldn't of really lost anything by jobbing to Shawn IMO. It's just one of those things were I don't think any one person was completely reasonable.

Vince said he couldn't afford Bret's contract and that may be true but deep down I think everyone knew that WWF wasn't big enough for Hart AND Michaels and what the company was becoming was tailor made for Michaels. Vince chose the horse he wanted to back. More than anything Bret didn't want to job to Michaels because Michaels said he'd never job to Bret and they hated each other. Dropping the title to canada was secondary. Vince probably saw more in Michaels (who probably gave Vince his opinion on Bret leaving) that could work going forward and Bret was pushing 40 and the two men couldn't coexist.

Everybody was in the wrong in some way. Vince was wrong to lie about it, Shawn was wrong to be selfish, and Bret was wrong putting personal feelings over doing business with the company that made him. At the same time they all had some valid issues. Vince needed to make his current star and his company look strong, Michaels was right in that WWE was becoming a place he could thrive more than Bret could, but Bret had every reason to not want to just grin and get f***ed over by Michaels after the way Michaels treated him. I don't think it would have hurt Bret's image to have done the job but I can't think of many peole would would let someone get away with treating them like sh**. It was basically Brets pride in not wanting to put over a guy he despised.



WWE Releases Finlay

Submitted by Daniel Pena on March 29, 2011 - 12:25pm

Sounds like Finlay had to fall on his sword for this one. personally I think firing him was too much but with all the political correctness and minor controversy WWE is dealing with lately they probably felt they had to head this off at the pass.

Hopefully they hire Finlay back in a few months after this dies down. He's far more valuable to WWE in the long run than someone like Cole, who got a pass because they need him right now.

[Slushy]

That wasn't why Vince wanted the job done, he needed the belt on Shawn because he was the top heel in the company and the plan was for Taker vs Shawn at Rumble and then for the big HBK vs Austin main event for Mania where Austin would be crowned champion, these were plans that weren't gonna be changed just so Bret didn't have to job in Canada where they think he's real.


I think Austin Vs. Hart would've worked better as the main event for Wrestlemania 14. It would've only been fitting that Stone Cold would win the WWF Championship from the guy he couldn't beat the previous year.

Shawn forfeited one title with a damaged knee, one after he was beaten up and one when he was suspended for failing a drugs test, on none of these occasions was he going to a rival company that was still winning in the ratings, where they could claim to have the true WWF champion as he'd never lost the belt, which is exactly what Bret was proposing.

He didn't like Shane Douglas so he wasn't going to job to The Dean even if he didn't get assed at a bar kicked by a bunch of Marines.

I always believed Shawn lied / exaggerated about his knee injury so he could get out of doing two high profiles to Sid and Hart back to back. Besides, for a "career threatening" injury, he came back in 6 months no problem.

As for the championship, Vince didn't have a problem bringing in Ric Flair with the WCW title.

What harm does it do to have the Rock beat them? Miz and Cena I'm sure have many more years in the business, them being beat by a more popular and superior athlete is going to hurt the company or the characters. After the disgrace that was the Rock losing horrendously to lesnar and especially goldberg, he deserves to anihalate Cena of all people.


Because its stupid, absolutely stupid, to have your top guy lose to somebody whose now an actor. How does that benefit the company? It doesn't. New stars are made when old stars do the job and pass the torch to them. Hogan did The Rock honors and now its time for The Rock to do the same for Cena.

[Metallo]

for the championship, Vince didn't have a problem bringing in Ric Flair with the WCW title.

I've pointed that out myself. The big difference was Vince didn't disrespect the NWA world title the way Bischoff did with the WWF Womens title..

But Montreal wasn't the first time Vince screwed one of his champions out of a belt...and that time he could use the excuse of "well I was afraid if them taking it to WCW." He's a little bit of a hypocrite.

[Hunter Rider]

I think Austin Vs. Hart would've worked better as the main event for Wrestlemania 14. It would've only fitting that Stone Cold would win the WWF Championship from the guy he couldn't beat the previous year.

Maybe but that was still never the plan.

He didn't like Shane Douglas so he wasn't going to job to The Dean even if he didn't get assed at a bar kicked by a bunch of Marines.

He was never set to job to Douglas because as you saw Razor replaced him and won the belt so there were no plans to ever have Douglas as the IC champion.

I always believed Shawn lied / exaggerated about his knee injury so he could get out of doing two high profiles to Sid and Hart back to back. Besides, for a "career threatening" injury, he came back in 6 months no problem.

He wouldn't have been doing back to back jobs though as he beat Sid at the Rumble and it was arguable if Vince was planning on putting the belt back on a guy 10 years older than Shawn as Bret was also losing the fans with his feud with Austin. Also Shawn worked about 7 matches in total after his knee injury.

As for the championship, Vince didn't have a problem bringing in Ric Flair with the WCW title.

I don't see how that figures into what we are discussing, WCW screwed up beacuse they were always poorly run and Flair was able to walk out with their belt that they then got a court injunction over, there was no way Vince was going to let anyone leave his company as champion.

[Metallo]

Plus Jim Herd didn't want to give Flair his deposit back and basically told Flair to keep the belt. As far WCW was concerned they didn't care if Flair took the belt with him to WWF. Then they finally reached some kind of deal and he sent it back.

[Hunter Rider]

I've pointed that out myself. The big difference was Vince didn't disrespect the NWA world title the way Bischoff did with the WWF Womens title..

But Montreal wasn't the first time Vince screwed one of his champions out of a belt...and that time he could use the excuse of "well I was afraid if them taking it to WCW." He's a little bit of a hypocrite.

Who else has Vince screwed in the way he did Bret?

I don't think anyone would say Vince was above doing something the low, the point is that WCW ****ed up there situation and Vince capitalized, no way was Vince going to let that happen to him, which just means he runs a tighter ship than WCW ever did with their Pizza guys and office clerks in charge.

[The Sage]

I thought the whole thing with Flair taking the NWA belt with him was because during those times when someone was made champ, the guy had to put a deposit of 20 grand down to ensure he wouldn't leave the company. Flair asked for his money when he was leaving, Jim Herd wouldn't give it to him, so Flair left with the belt.

[Slushy]

He wouldn't have been doing back to back jobs though as he beat Sid at the Rumble


He was supposed to job back to Sid on the Thursday Night RAW where he gave the infamous "I lose my testicles" speech because Vince had decided to make Sid Vs. Undertaker the title match for WM 13.

[Metallo]

I thought the whole thing with Flair taking the NWA belt with him was because during those times when someone was made champ, the guy had to put a deposit of 20 grand down to ensure he wouldn't leave the company. Flair asked for his money when he was leaving, Jim Herd wouldn't give it to him, so Flair left with the belt.

Thats true...but Flair had enough of Herd and Herd asked for the belt back and Flair said no because he didn't get his deposit back.

Herd basically said "f** it" and told Flair to keep the belt. Eventually WCW got it back after they paid Flair back.


Who else has Vince screwed in the way he did Bret?

I don't think anyone would say Vince was above doing something the low, the point is that WCW ****ed up there situation and Vince capitalized, no way was Vince going to let that happen to him, which just means he runs a tighter ship than WCW ever did with their Pizza guys and office clerks in charge.

Vince didn't want to pay Wendy Richter what she felt he owed her and instead of just telling her no he screwed her out of the title by using a masked Moolah and not telling Richter the finish.

As for the BGB/Flair/91 situation it was Herds incompetence more than anything but Vince hasn't always been about the "traditions" of the business himself. Thats why I always laugh when his concerns over Montreal come up. When you play in the mud you get dirty too.

And Vince has gotten blindsided a few times himself because he wasn't prepared. Lex Luger on Nitro after leaving WWF is now why we see 90 day no compete clauses.

[Hunter Rider]

He was supposed to job back to Sid on the Thursday Night RAW where he gave the infamous "I lose my smile" speech because Vince had decided to make Sid Vs. Undertaker the title match for WM 13.

That was never the case, he forfeited the belt when the plan was for him to face Bret, the Final Four PPV then had Bret go over so that Austin could cost Bret the title on the Thursday against Sid to make their feud hotter, Shawn vs Bret was the planned main event for Mania 13 all the way to the point Shawn pulled out with his knee injury.

[The Sage]

Thats true...but Flair had enough of Herd and Herd asked for the belt back and Flair said no because he didn't get his deposit back.

Herd basically said "f** it" and told Flair to keep the belt. Eventually WCW got it back after they paid Flair back.


In Flair's words from the Four Horsemen DVD, "The belt's mine, dips***! Go f**k yourself!"

[Hunter Rider]

Vince didn't want to pay Wendy Richter what she felt he owed her and instead of just telling her no he screwed her out of the title by using a masked Moolah and not telling Richter the finish.

As for the BGB/Flair/91 situation it was Herds incompetence more than anything but Vince hasn't always been about the "traditions" of the business himself. Thats why I always laugh when he's concerns over Montreal come up.

Ah the Spider woman thing? I heard rumours that Moolah held Richter down for the pin but I'd never seen a conformation.

I don't think Vince was worried about the traditions, he was worried that while WCW were already ahead, they'd also be able to claim to have both champions and back then the belt had much greater value so it would have weakened WWE even further.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because its stupid, absolutely stupid, to have your top guy lose to somebody whose now an actor. How does that benefit the company? It doesn't. New stars are made when old stars do the job and pass the torch to them. Hogan did The Rock honors and now its time for The Rock to do the same for Cena. It's not that simple AT ALL. Hogan was a fan favorite and so was the Rock. The crowd was split on both ends. We never had somebody as boring and overrated as Cena in the spotlight like this. Hell, did you hear the people last night? Pretty much everybody in the arena was booing Cena.

More fans want to see Rock beat Cena than having Cena beat Rock is basically what I'm trying to say. You realize the outrage that will happen if the Rock does lose, right? It isn't just another match. Fans of the old school WWF days (such as myself) have been begging for this, and although I don't think Vince really cares about us old school fans (let's face it. He's a buisness man. However, Vince has stated himself that he's very happy with Rock's return), I think he's going to have Cena lose and that's the way it should be, if you ask me. Just my two cents. Sure, Vince may not want to put merchandise at risk, but let's be honest here, he himself stated how happy he was with the Rock's return and if Rock does indeed lose, I'll be surprised and very dissapointed.

[Hunter Rider]

The Rock wont beat Cena because not only would it be bad business but Rock himself would not do that, one thing he has always been is about the bigger picture and not a politician.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ To each his own man. I mean, it may be bad for buisness, but it'll make the majority of people happy, including myself. I hate Cena and I just wish they'd make the majority of fans who do happy.

[The Sage]

It's not that simple AT ALL. Hogan was a fan favorite and so was the Rock. The crowd was split on both ends. We never had somebody as boring and overrated as Cena in the spotlight like this. Hell, did you hear the people last night? Pretty much everybody in the arena was booing Cena.


That's interesting because I had always found Hogan boring and overrated. :funny:


More fans want to see Rock beat Cena than having Cena beat Rock is basically what I'm trying to say. You realize the outrage that will happen if the Rock does lose, right? It isn't just another match. Fans of the old school WWF days (such as myself) have been begging for this, and although I don't think Vince really cares about us old school fans (let's face it. He's a buisness man. However, Vince has stated himself that he's very happy with Rock's return), I think he's going to have Cena lose and that's the way it should be, if you ask me. Just my two cents. Sure, Vince may not want to put merchandise at risk, but let's be honest here, he himself stated how happy he was with the Rock's return and if Rock does indeed lose, I'll be surprised and very dissapointed.

Happy with the Rock's return does not equate to putting the Rock over his company's biggest star.

So you're saying they should put the happiness of old school fans, who currently aren't watching the product much as yourself, over that of the new school fans, who make up the current demographic?

[Hunter Rider]

^^ To each his own man. I mean, it may be bad for buisness, but it'll make the majority of people happy, including myself. I hate Cena and I just wish they'd make the majority of fans who do happy.

It's got nothing to do with what makes me happy, I don't care about either of them, but business sense is going to be the thing here, if Rock has time to do two matches it's probable that they will trade wins, but if there is only one match then Cena will win.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's interesting because I had always found Hogan boring and overrated. :funny: He never was a fantastic wrestler, but I always liked him. He's leagues more entertaining than Cena.

So you're saying they should the happiness of old school fans, who currently aren't watching the product much as yourself, over that of the new school fans, who make up the current demographic?[/ I still watch WWE every week, but I'm not happy with it aside from the Undertaker, Triple H, Edge, and Christian (as well as the Rock if you want to consider him part of the roster presently).

Children won't stop watching WWE just because Cena loses. That won't happen. It may make kids upset, but they won't stop watching wrestling.

[Slushy]

That was never the case, he forfeited the belt when the plan was for him to face Bret, the Final Four PPV then had Bret go over so that Austin could cost Bret the title on the Thursday against Sid to make their feud hotter, Shawn vs Bret was the planned main event for Mania 13 all the way to the point Shawn pulled out with his knee injury.


*Sighs

Bret Hart's book, page 404:



Vince: Well, you probably think is crazy, but you'll screw Shawn this Thursday at Lowell TV so Sid wins the title. Then in the final four, at In Your House, Shawn will screw you out of winning, and from there Taker will work Sid at Mania for the belt, and Shawn will put his hair up in a ladder match, and you'll cut it all off.

Bret: So its not me and Shawn at Wrestlemania XIII for the belt?

Vince: Its too predictable now. I'm changing it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's got nothing to do with what makes me happy, I don't care about either of them, but business sense is going to be the thing here, if Rock has time to do two matches it's probable that they will trade wins, but if there is only one match then Cena will win. And that's what I fear. I fear that Rock is gonig to lsoe either way, which makes his return look dissapointing and pretty much ruin any love laot of the older fans have for the company. Vince doesn't care about us though. As long as asses are in those seats, that's, sadly, all that matters to him.

It's going to make Rock look weak, and that's just not a good idea, IMO. They've done it to Sgt. Slaughter, but I don't he was ever as huge as the Rock. Still though, you see my point.

[Hunter Rider]

:lmao: There is no way Shawn was gonna lose his hair in a face vs face match, so Bret may have written it but I'll go with the version everyone else has put forth regarding that period.

[The Sage]

He never was a fantastic wrestler, but I always liked him. He's leagues more entertaining than Cena.


I'll watch Cena over Hogan any day of the week.


I still watch WWE every week, but I'm not happy with it aside from the Undertaker, Triple H, Edge, and Christian (as well as the Rock if you want to consider him part of the roster presently).

Children won't stop watching WWE just because Cena loses. That won't happen. It may make kids upset, but they won't stop watching wrestling.

So it's okay for children to get upset over Cena losing, but not for you getting disappointed over Rock losing?

Sounds like someone's going to be mad either way. :cwink:

[Hunter Rider]

And that's what I fear. I fear that Rock is gonig to lsoe either way, which makes his return look dissapointing and pretty much ruin any love laot of the older fans have for the company. Vince doesn't care about us though. As long as asses are in those seats, that's, sadly, all that matters to him.

It's going to make Rock look weak, and that's just not a good idea, IMO. They've done it to Sgt. Slaughter, but I don't he was ever as huge as the Rock. Still though, you see my point.

Honestly I don't, I have been a fan over 20 years and wins and losses to wrestlers I like don't bother me, the business is bigger than that. Rock coming back has been fun for his fans but he was never going to come back to just take and then go back to Hollywood.

Cena is the WWE's top guy and has been for a long time and will continue to be, they are not going to tell all the fans currently watching that he is inferior to a guy that hasn't worked a match in 7 years.

The most sensible thing to do is to book a three match series where Cena wins two to one but one of the wins is tainted by interference from Miz, who Rock can beat in a separate match.

[Metallo]

In Flair's words from the Four Horsemen DVD, "The belt's mine, dips***! Go f**k yourself!"

They're both true. Herd told Flair he could keep the belt after Flair said he wasn't giving it back until he got his deposit. Herd wanted Flair to change his character then do jobs Flair felt were wrong to do at the time. Not because of any ego but because of timing. Flair had enough and said he was leaving. Herd asked him to bring the belt to the next town and Flair said no because he wanted his deposit back before he gave it back.


Ah the Spider woman thing? I heard rumours that Moolah held Richter down for the pin but I'd never seen a conformation.

I don't think Vince was worried about the traditions, he was worried that while WCW were already ahead, they'd also be able to claim to have both champions and back then the belt had much greater value so it would have weakened WWE even further.

The fact that Richter starting fighting Moolah almost for real and trying to get the match restarted as Gorilla and the other announcer were confused over what just happened makes it even more clear that something went down.

The "time honored tradition" nonsense was just an excuse and a fancy way of saying Bret didn't want to job on the way out. Vince has broken half the "traditions" of the business that his father honored so its not all about tradition for him.



It's not that simple AT ALL. Hogan was a fan favorite and so was the Rock. The crowd was split on both ends. We never had somebody as boring and overrated as Cena in the spotlight like this. Hell, did you hear the people last night? Pretty much everybody in the arena was booing Cena.

More fans want to see Rock beat Cena than having Cena beat Rock is basically what I'm trying to say. You realize the outrage that will happen if the Rock does lose, right? It isn't just another match. Fans of the old school WWF days (such as myself) have been begging for this, and although I don't think Vince really cares about us old school fans (let's face it. He's a buisness man. However, Vince has stated himself that he's very happy with Rock's return), I think he's going to have Cena lose and that's the way it should be, if you ask me. Just my two cents. Sure, Vince may not want to put merchandise at risk, but let's be honest here, he himself stated how happy he was with the Rock's return and if Rock does indeed lose, I'll be surprised and very dissapointed.

Hogan could easily claim that he was the guy who helped build Vince's WWF and made wrestlemania and was the bigger star than Rock and said no to doing the job (if he'd had the option). Hogan jobbing to Rock was the right thing and Rock jobbing to Cena would be the right thing.



^^ To each his own man. I mean, it may be bad for buisness, but it'll make the majority of people happy, including myself. I hate Cena and I just wish they'd make the majority of fans who do happy.

Make the majority of people happy? what people? Even if Rock won a lot of those old fans have moved on and probably have little interest in coming back. If they did they would have as soon as Rock returned and we'd be getting 5.0 ratings. Cena loosing isn't going to make all his fans happy and a lot fo them DO still watch every week.

After Rock wins and leaves WWE again are all those so called fans that would be happy with him beating Cena stick around and watch every week and support WWE Doubtful.

[Metallo]

He never was a fantastic wrestler, but I always liked him. He's leagues more entertaining than Cena.

I still watch WWE every week, but I'm not happy with it aside from the Undertaker, Triple H, Edge, and Christian (as well as the Rock if you want to consider him part of the roster presently).

Children won't stop watching WWE just because Cena loses. That won't happen. It may make kids upset, but they won't stop watching wrestling.

And people won't come back and be happy if Rock wins and they won't be mad and leave if Rock wins. If Cena loses its going to disappointing his fans that are still there supporting WWE. I'll try to please the guaranteed fans first over the SLIM chance of a huge resurgence of returning fans any day.

[the_ultimate_evil]

I remember one game back in the day, where once a "season" or whatever...HBK would come to my character backstage and ask me to be his backup in a match...and every time he did, I turned on him and helped his opponent destroy him. I liked that game because I never got bored of beating up HBK (as I've said before, HBK walked up to once in real life to shake my hand, and even then I couldnt help myself and blurted out "You screwed Bret" and brushed him off)

ohh classy and original , i bet he had many sleepless nights over that

[Gotham Knight]

ohh classy and original , i bet he had many sleepless nights over that:awesome: HCTP was so awesome. Considered to be the best wrestling game by many fans. But as for brushing him off, not sure I believe that.

[spidey-dude]

yes...actually one of the lead producers/designers of the game worked on NBA Jam

might give the demo a go then = LOVE me some NBA JAM (best game on the iphone now!)

[Nemi]

So how many match types are in All Stars?

[Dr. Evil]

WWE releases Finlay? TNA will pounce all over him as a producer.

[bullets]

Hopefully they hire Finlay back in a few months after this dies down. He's far more valuable to WWE in the long run than someone like Cole, who got a pass because they need him right now.

I hope so. The most I would of done is suspend him


:lmao: There is no way Shawn was gonna lose his hair in a face vs face match, so Bret may have written it but I'll go with the version everyone else has put forth regarding that period.


Yeah there was no way that was gonna play out nor should it have. It's funny because all these problems it all worked for the best. Bret and Stone Cold feuding was far more interesting.

[enterthemadness]

make crap movies??

I haven't seen all of his movies, but I love his acting. However...he is better in the WWE than in Hollywood. It says something when his two hihest grossing movies are ones where he's either in a supporting role or a co-star. Get Smart and The Other Guys each did over 100million domestic. His only other 100+ movie is his minor role in Mummy 2.

[enterthemadness]

Never expected Cena to do such a punkish thing. Makes me want to see Rock get him back at WM 27!

I LOL at it.

[bullets]

And that's what I fear. I fear that Rock is going to lose either way, which makes his return look dissapointing and pretty much ruin any love a lot of the older fans have for the company. Vince doesn't care about us though. As long as asses are in those seats, that's, sadly, all that matters to him.



Win , Lose , or Draw we'd be lucky to have the guy wrestle another match.
I think Cena vs Rock is the biggest draw they could do at this point. The only thing is that most of his fans are old enough to know chances of him winning are slim to none unless he agrees contractually to one or two more matches.
The Rocks not going to look weak unless it's a one sided match.

[Metallo]

http://www.wwe.com/wcw





Yeah there was no way that was gonna play out nor should it have. It's funny because all these problems it all worked for the best. Bret and Stone Cold feuding was far more interesting.

Reminds me of when HHH got hurt in 2007 and we (thankfully) got HBK vs Cena instead. Sometimes it works out for the best.


Win , Lose , or Draw we'd be lucky to have the guy wrestle another match.
I think Cena vs Rock is the biggest draw they could do at this point. The only thing is that most of his fans are old enough to know chances of him winning are slim to none unless he agrees contractually to one or two more matches.
The Rocks not going to look weak unless it's a one sided match.

Its one of the few truly possible dream matches left where one or both of the guys aren't broken down old wrecks. Rock's still relatively young and in great shape and Cena is in his prime. Even if Rock loses who cares? Its got a good chance of being great.



WWE releases Finlay? TNA will pounce all over him as a producer.

This is one case where they'd be stupid not to make him an offer. Granted Bruce Prichard hasn't done anything for TNA (and he's a bit of a hypocrite for taking the job in the first place) but Finlays one of the best minds to come along in WWE in the last 15 years.

Look at all the good work Durtch Mantell did with the Knockouts and just imagine what Finlay could do with a roster that includes Mickie, Sarita, Tara, Angelina Love, Madison Rayne, and a few rehired girls like ODB and Roxxie. And its got a chance to turn out well since the Knockouts seem to be the least overproduced segments in the company. They can go out there and have some great matches. A Mickie vs Sarita series produced by Finlay? Sign me up right now.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So it's okay for children to get upset over Cena losing, but not for you getting disappointed over Rock losing?

Sounds like someone's going to be mad either way. :cwink: Why look at it like that though? What I'm saying is what do the majority of people want to see? Rock win. As risky of a choice it may be, shouldn't Vince give what most of the fans want? Remember, John Cena isn't exactly the most loved wrestler. Even before the Rock returned, there was lots of boos.

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. I'm just happy the Rock is going to be wrestling again and I'm hoping he kicks John Cena's candy ass, lol. Personally, I never expected Rock to return in the way that it's been, so I'm very happy for that.

I'll watch Cena over Hogan any day of the week. I strongly disagree. Whether it was "Hulkamania" Hogan or NWO Hogan, both were very entertaining, IMO. Especially NWO Hogan.

[CAPT DAVO]

speaking of WM 27....Taker vs Triple HHH...who's going over ??.....i'm tipping the Taker

[The Sage]

Why look at it like that though? What I'm saying is what do the majority of people want to see? Rock win. As risky of a choice it may be, shouldn't Vince give what most of the fans want? Remember, John Cena isn't exactly the most loved wrestler. Even before the Rock returned, there was lots of boos.


If it was a guy that was sticking around permanently, then I'd say give the fans what they want since they can always down the line have a rematch and Cena could get back the win. But since Rock isn't hanging around permanently...

It still doesn't make any sense to give a part-time wrestler who probably is going to show up a few times during the year a win over the top guy in the company. Doesn't do the company any favors in the long run.

And so what if the majority of the fans want to see Rock win? Majority of the fans wanted Mick Foley to beat Randy Orton, but Randy beat him and everyone moved on. Lol.


I strongly disagree. Whether it was "Hulkamania" Hogan or NWO Hogan, both were very entertaining, IMO. Especially NWO Hogan.

Hogan was a great character but I couldn't stand him in the ring, especially nWo Hogan. His matches with Flair and Ultimate Warrior at WCW pay per views still make shake my head to this day.

[The Sage]

speaking of WM 27....Taker vs Triple HHH...who's going over ??.....i'm tipping the Taker

I'm pretty sure Taker's going to win, the only question is how? By himself, or will Shawn cost HHH the match?

[Metallo]

Why look at it like that though? What I'm saying is what do the majority of people want to see? Rock win. As risky of a choice it may be, shouldn't Vince give what most of the fans want?

Where's your evidence that says most of todays WWE viewing audience wants to see Rock win? I don't mean people who used to watch ten years ago but people who watch right now every week? The people that WILL watch and WILL actually pay money to see Wrestlemania or Summerslam?

Considering how afraid WWE is to take Cena off tv at times I'd say a sizable chunk of their audience is Cena fans, particularly younger fans. And most of them have vague memories who Rock is but love Cena. As of right now John Cena is generating more revenue than the Rock.

Like I said before maybe if you were talking about some of that causal audience that was watching ten years ago but a lot of those people have tuned out. They certainly aren't watching now otherwise Raw would be doing high 4's and low 5's in the ratings and it isn't since he returned.

Its not like Rock has returned and doubled WWE's weekly viewing audience. During the nights he's actually there live Raw usually goes from 3.2-3.3 to 3.6-3.8. Most of those people are already watching Raw anyway.

Cena fans are currently shilling out more money to WWE on everything from merchandise to other stuff. And Cena's will still be there to continue to sell new merch. Rock isn't. Cena will still have to be there to try and draw ratings. Rock won't.


Remember, John Cena isn't exactly the most loved wrestler. Even before the Rock returned, there was lots of boos.The Rock wasn't exactly the most loved wrestler for years considering how much flak he got for leaving WWE for Hollywood. A lot of fans talked trash about him and how he "sold out"


We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. I'm just happy the Rock is going to be wrestling again and I'm hoping he kicks John Cena's candy ass, lol. Personally, I never expected Rock to return in the way that it's been, so I'm very happy for that.I always figured he would return but him wrestling was always a toss up.


I strongly disagree. Whether it was "Hulkamania" Hogan or NWO Hogan, both were very entertaining, IMO. Especially NWO Hogan.

I enjoyed watching Hogan a lot but his act got stale...especially in WCW near the end. He played that creative control way to much in both companies and the millionth rehash of the NWO with Hogan got boring. At least with Cena you know he'll give you everything he's got every night and not let his ego ruin a good thing the way Hogans did many times. Hogan vs Hart would have been awesome in WWE but The Politickster put the kibosh on that one, brother.

[BlackLantern]

Undertaker and Hogan are f'ng tanks in WWE All Stars....I had to hit Hogan with like 4 Starship Pains and he countered two of them

[Metallo]

If it was a guy that was sticking around permanently, then I'd say give the fans what they want since they can always down the line have a rematch and Cena could get back the win. But since Rock isn't hanging around permanently...

It still doesn't make any sense to give a part-time wrestler who probably is going to show up a few times during the year a win over the top guy in the company. Doesn't do the company any favors in the long run.

Cena's going to be around to try to bring in new viewers in the future. Rock isn't...not on a regular basis anyway.

Cena needs the win like that more than The Rock. Rock's already had his big wins over the biggest names in the history of the business. Whats beating Cena going to do for the Rock? Nothing. He's already an iconic figure. Even in RARE times that Hogan actually lost did it damage his popularty at all? No.

If anything Rock helping out the WWE buy helpign put over the new top guy could go a long way to making up for a lot of those feelings some people had that said he sold out and didn't care about WWE. A win is just going to make him look like he's more concerned with himself than with the future iof the company that made him a star. And WWE DID help make him a star. There's nothing wrong with him returning the favor to WWE now.



Hogan was a great character but I couldn't stand him in the ring, especially nWo Hogan. His matches with Flair and Ultimate Warrior at WCW pay per views still make shake my head to this day.I enjoyed A lot of Hogans matches. His style was his style and I always liked different styles even when I was younger. Made everyone stand out. When he was at his best Hogan really knw how to tell a story in the ring. I'll always give him props for making the main event of Wrestlemania 6 as good as it was. Its basically a blueprint that WWE uses to this day for a lot of big time matches.

A lot of his matches in WCW with Flair dissapointed me though...and the stuff with Warrior. YIKES. But when Hogan was on...he could hold his own. Loved a lot of those matches with Paul Orndorff. He even had some good matches with big men. Hogan knew how to sell a monster opponent better than damn near anyone in WWE not named Shawn Michaels.

If anything Cena needs to look at Hogan footage and learn how to sell better.



Undertaker and Hogan are f'ng tanks in WWE All Stars....I had to hit Hogan with like 4 Starship Pains and he countered two of them

Hogans creative control and no selling extends even into the gaming world...brother.

Vince just needs to invest in some high end holographic technology and hire the best digital guys in the world one day to give us these dream matches.

I'll always want a Shawn Michaels vs Randy Savage ladder match. Or Rick Rude vs Kurt Angle in an Iron Man Match.

[BlackLantern]

I busted him up though....it was a steel cage match and I booted him off the top of it

[Nemi]

I busted him up though....it was a steel cage match and I booted him off the top of it

Does it have the hell in a cell match?

[BlackLantern]

I don't think so....I haven't gone through all the match types yet

[bullets]

I'm pretty sure Taker's going to win, the only question is how? By himself, or will Shawn cost HHH the match?

This raises an eyebrow:
-- According to F4WOnline.com, Shawn Michaels is scheduled to appear ringside during The Undertaker vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania XXVII.




http://www.wwe.com/wcw


Awesome. Watching the video with Chavo makes me think hes safe from the post mania spring cleaning.

[NDX]

I see HHH getting a boot to the head.

[SpideyVille]

I'll always want a Shawn Michaels vs Randy Savage ladder match. Or Rick Rude vs Kurt Angle in an Iron Man Match.
Personally, I would've liked to have seen Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle in a Submission match.

[The Sage]

Personally, I would've liked to have seen Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle in a Submission match.

:wow::up:

[bullets]

Personally, I would've liked to have seen Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle in a Submission match.


At a signing I asked him who he'd want to wrestle , he said Kurt Angle and Rey Mysterio . He's also said that in interviews but yeah that would of been top of my list for dream matches.

[Metallo]

Its a dream match I've brought up many MANY times. Sadly it woun't ever happen now.

Who wouldn't want to see it though?

Kurt actually offered to wrestle Bret in WWE years ago and offered to bump his a** off for Bret but The Hitman turned it down saying he didn't want to wrestle Angle if he couldn't be at his best.

[NDX]

HBK vs Savage sounds like a good one.

[The Sage]

Okay I'm getting this game. :funny:

[bullets]

Does the game have a rumble match?

[SpideyVille]

Kurt Angle was always one of my favorite wrestlers up until he sorta just disappeared from the WWE. But I liked how he was a actual tactician, which naturally came from being trained as a wrestler before his pro wrestling career. Benoit and Angle had some great matches, as did Bret and Benoit in WCW, so I think a match with those two would've been great, especially when you make it a submission match and get rid of any cheap way to win like countout or interference. Just let the two do what they do best in a ring, and they'll put on a technical show.

[venom892]

HBK vs Savage sounds like a good one.I actually just recently saw a title match between the two from 92.It was simply awesome.

[Heretic]

ohh classy and original , i bet he had many sleepless nights over that

I wasn't trying to be classy or original...it was at a WWE event, and when i go to a wrestling event, I enter heel mode the second I walk in the building. I once booed a childrens charity spokesperson as Mick Foley gave them a check. As a member of the audience, I feel it's my duty to either be a heel or a face...and I'm a heel...so I do my heel duty of yelling excuses for why the heel cheats, calling the faces names etc.

[bullets]

I go to wrestling events as a tweener.

[NDX]

I go to wrestling events as an *******. I'll **** with anyone, especially during a ******** injury angle.

[Heretic]

I just cant imagine going to a wrestling event, sitting down and saying "golly gee, I hope tonight's matches are very good. I will marvel at the talent on display".

No...I've been known to put inflatable muscles on my arms, bring a plastic world title belt and wear spandex pants and a feather boa...why WOULDNT you play the part? Unless you're one of the boring types that thinks that wrestling should be treated as an art form...in which case...you are one of the people who's night I will be ruining as part of my heel turn on the crowd.

[Scar Predator]

I'll watch Cena over Hogan any day of the week.



I loathe Cena's character and often criticize his in-ring skills but he's leaps and bounds better than Hogan. Hogan was completely formulaic in his salad days.

[Scar Predator]

I just cant imagine going to a wrestling event, sitting down and saying "golly gee, I hope tonight's matches are very good. I will marvel at the talent on display".

No...I've been known to put inflatable muscles on my arms, bring a plastic world title belt and wear spandex pants and a feather boa...why WOULDNT you play the part? Unless you're one of the boring types that thinks that wrestling should be treated as an art form...in which case...you are one of the people who's night I will be ruining as part of my heel turn on the crowd.

Count me in as part of the boring crowd. I'm much more like a Japanese fan than an American one. Storylines and packaging are secondary to the in-ring displays.

[bullets]

I just cant imagine going to a wrestling event, sitting down and saying "golly gee, I hope tonight's matches are very good. I will marvel at the talent on display".

No...I've been known to put inflatable muscles on my arms, bring a plastic world title belt and wear spandex pants and a feather boa...why WOULDNT you play the part? Unless you're one of the boring types that thinks that wrestling should be treated as an art form...in which case...you are one of the people who's night I will be ruining as part of my heel turn on the crowd.


If I had front row tickets I'd probably do something drastic like that , maybe get in the face of one of the wrestlers but I wouldn't start with other people . I did have an issue one time with the kids holding their signs up the entire freaking time in front of me til I went heel and told the parents if the kids didn't stop I would rip the signs in half.

[Heretic]

If I had front row tickets I'd probably do something drastic like that , maybe get in the face of one of the wrestlers but I wouldn't start with other people . I did have an issue one time with the kids holding their signs up the entire freaking time in front of me til I went heel and told the parents if the kids didn't stop I would rip the signs in half.

You don't have to start with people...merely cheering for the bad guys and getting in the faces of the good guys will tick the crowd off enough to where they'll start arguing with you...and when you are angrily arguing with a guy wearing neon spandex pants and a feather boa...you have already lost the argument.

[Marx]

This raises an eyebrow:
-- According to F4WOnline.com, Shawn Michaels is scheduled to appear ringside during The Undertaker vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania XXVII.

...maybe Shawn's angle will be 'if he couldn't beat the streak in two tries, then no one will'.

*superkicks HHH just as he's about to get the win*

[Scar Predator]

You don't have to start with people...merely cheering for the bad guys and getting in the faces of the good guys will tick the crowd off enough to where they'll start arguing with you...and when you are angrily arguing with a guy wearing neon spandex pants and a feather boa...you have already lost the argument.


I had an entire section wanting to kick my (bleep!) when I rooted for the SST over the Southern Boys. When the SST started playing off me at ringside, people were getting legitimatley POed. :woot:

[Heretic]

If HBK costs HHH the match...it will be a massive letdown for people to then not have it followed by HHH vs HBK...

[Marx]

...I'd say that it's more likely Shawn will superkick HHH by mistake causing him to lose the match.

[Scar Predator]

If HBK costs HHH the match...it will be a massive letdown for people to then not have it followed by HHH vs HBK...

That's my thought as well. With Shawn no longer on the active roster, I don't know where they go after Mania if he costs either guy the match.

[Heretic]

But if HBK accidentally costs HHH the match, does that mean that next year we get Taker vs HHH 2?? Because, no thanks.

[Hunter Rider]

speaking of WM 27....Taker vs Triple HHH...who's going over ??.....i'm tipping the Taker

The stuff involving HBK on Raw has muddied the water a bit, I mean he's going to have some comeback for some of Taker's comments and Taker's smug laugh towards Triple H at the end sort of played the idea he is overconfident.

If no one man can beat Taker, maybe DX can, and although I doubt it will go down that way, if they wanted to launch one last Triple H mega heel run this could be the way to do it.

I'll always want a Shawn Michaels vs Randy Savage ladder match. Or Rick Rude vs Kurt Angle in an Iron Man Match.

It's odd that Savage never had a ladder match in his career to my knowledge, he was actually the first one to be putting people through tables, long before Sabu and the Dudley's.

I actually just recently saw a title match between the two from 92.It was simply awesome.

That match actually took place in England just after Wrestlemania VIII, I was surprised to see Shawn as the challenger at that point but he showed even then he had as he and Savage tore the house down.

[Hunter Rider]

Does anyone know the name of the song that was used in the Triple H/Taker video package on Raw?

[Scar Predator]

But if HBK accidentally costs HHH the match, does that mean that next year we get Taker vs HHH 2?? Because, no thanks.

Yikes--perish the thought.

[Hunter Rider]

But if HBK accidentally costs HHH the match, does that mean that next year we get Taker vs HHH 2?? Because, no thanks.

It would actually be match #3.

[Heretic]

Don't rub it in Hunter.

[Marx]

But if HBK accidentally costs HHH the match, does that mean that next year we get Taker vs HHH 2?? Because, no thanks.

No matter how much Vince would like us to forget...this IS Taker/HHH II at Mania.

[Scar Predator]

No matter how much Vince would like us to forget...this IS Taker/HHH II at Mania.

WWE is employing the '80s style packaging of never mentioning the past. Notice they also aren't mentioning that Cena squashed Miz several times in 2009 as well.

[NDX]

It would actually be match #3.
The first match has been retconned out of WWE Universe continuity.

[NDX]

Does anyone know the name of the song that was used in the Triple H/Taker video package on Raw?

I believe the song you are looking for was off the Punisher OST - Mark Collie - In Time.

[Hotwire]

I believe the song you are looking for was off the Punisher OST - Mark Collie - In Time.
You would be correct. I did a double take when I recognized it.

[Hotwire]

I think it's time for the Wrestlemania predictions thread. Who's making it this time?

[NDX]

You would be correct. I did a double take when I recognized it.
Definitely caught my attention and made me watch that video.

[Scar Predator]

The first match has been retconned out of WWE Universe continuity.

I heard that Hunter had been spotted with Mephisto at a bistro in LA. That makes sense now.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Where's your evidence that says most of todays WWE viewing audience wants to see Rock win? I don't mean people who used to watch ten years ago but people who watch right now every week? The people that WILL watch and WILL actually pay money to see Wrestlemania or Summerslam?

Considering how afraid WWE is to take Cena off tv at times I'd say a sizable chunk of their audience is Cena fans, particularly younger fans. And most of them have vague memories who Rock is but love Cena. As of right now John Cena is generating more revenue than the Rock.

Like I said before maybe if you were talking about some of that causal audience that was watching ten years ago but a lot of those people have tuned out. They certainly aren't watching now otherwise Raw would be doing high 4's and low 5's in the ratings and it isn't since he returned.

Its not like Rock has returned and doubled WWE's weekly viewing audience. During the nights he's actually there live Raw usually goes from 3.2-3.3 to 3.6-3.8. Most of those people are already watching Raw anyway.

Cena fans are currently shilling out more money to WWE on everything from merchandise to other stuff. And Cena's will still be there to continue to sell new merch. Rock isn't. Cena will still have to be there to try and draw ratings. Rock won't.

The question I ask is this:

-And this isn't to start an argument. It's not even to say that The Rock *should* win if he faces Cena. It's merely playing Devil's advocate-

How are the ratings *hurt* if Rock goes over Cena?

Do you really think the audience that tunes in FOR Cena is going to STOP watching if Cena loses?

For all the talk people give about "damaging" Cena, or whatever, do you really think the audience that cheers Cena is all of a sudden going to think that Cena is no longer the best in the company, and can go toe to toe and defeat anyone because he lost to The Rock? Who is not only a WWE legend, but he's not even a legend in the mold of Hogan, or Piper, or Steamboat, Austin, or King - he's a WWE legend, one of the ALL TIME GREATS in the entire company, and STILL young and in peak physical condition. So he botched a kip up slightly after being out of the ring for 7 years (hell, I didn't even notice it), but he's not even some old, out of shaped, past his prime legend. He's not even Triple H status physically. The Rock is still in PEAK physical condition, on top of being an all time great in the business.

Again, I'm not arguing that The Rock *should* go over Cena. I'm saying that there is no way that Cena gets *hurt* by losing a feud to The Rock. Viewers who love Cena won't stop watching. Viewers who love Cena won't stop buying his merchandise. Cena won't be any less credible in the main event scene, going up against (and beating) guys like Orton, Punk, Edge, Del Rio, and whatever other top guys are in the company going forward.

[Heretic]

If Rock is only there short term, he should lose to Cena.

That is just how it works...you dont put a one time talent over the guy who will be there week in, week out. The exception seems to be when that talent is a celebrity sports star who is fighting a heel. When it's a guy like Cena...who will be treated as THE best in the business for years on end, you dont have him job to a guy that isn't going to be around afterward...because that just makes the entire roster look weak in comparison to previous generations.

[bullets]

You don't have to start with people...merely cheering for the bad guys and getting in the faces of the good guys will tick the crowd off enough to where they'll start arguing with you...and when you are angrily arguing with a guy wearing neon spandex pants and a feather boa...you have already lost the argument.


lol That's true .


...I'd say that it's more likely Shawn will superkick HHH by mistake causing him to lose the match.

That would certainly protect Triple H's ego... I have a feeling something like this is going to happen.

[Ajendo]

Someone mentioned a few pages back that The Miz should have been layed out in the ring unconscious from the Peoples Elbow...

Miz is the world champion...he was fresh and uninjured...he was given a transition move from a guy who hasnt wrestled in years. Why should he have been layed out?? Is The People's Elbow really supposed to be a move that knocks people out long term???

Um, the people's elbow is supposed to leave the victim out for at least a bit. Miz being world champion or anybody being champion has nothing to do with it. The elbow got dropped and miz got up immediately only to be tossed out of the ring, now as hunter already said, that's what was supposed to happen so Cena could execute his AA but my problem with it lies with the execution.....and it's the miz of all people. The man poses no threat what so ever, he's a joke and the way he was manhandled that night only cements it.

[Heretic]

Um, the people's elbow is supposed to leave the victim out for at least a bit. Miz being world champion or anybody being champion has nothing to do with it. The elbow got dropped and miz got up immediately only to be tossed out of the ring, now as hunter already said, that's what was supposed to happen so Cena could execute his AA but my problem with it lies with the execution.....and it's the miz of all people. The man poses no threat what so ever, he's a joke and the way he was manhandled that night only cements it.

So...let me get this straight...The Miz is a joke because he's basically a wuss who can't hang...

Yet he took a Peoples Elbow and got back up...something you claim everyone should be down and out after...

So he can't hang...yet he CAN take punishment no one else can take.

You seem a bit confused on the matter...and I would wager that no matter what The Miz does, you'd find fault.

[Ajendo]

because that just makes the entire roster look weak in comparison to previous generations.

Um, this is already the case.

[Ajendo]

So...let me get this straight...The Miz is a joke because he's basically a wuss who can't hang...

Yet he took a Peoples Elbow and got back up...something you claim everyone should be down and out after...

So he can't hang...yet he CAN take punishment no one else can take.

You seem a bit confused on the matter...and I would wager that no matter what The Miz does, you'd find fault.

There's no confusion at all. It doesn't matter if it was the miz or anyone else, the PE is a finisher and it's the instantaneous get up he did, like the elbow had no effect of any kind that I have a problem with. If Austin stunneerd the miz and the miz got right back up, I'd be making the same argument.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So on a lighter note, I've reached the Backlash PPV on my WWE Universe.

Some interesting developments the last couple weeks:

I tried to push Christian into the #1 Contender's spot for the Intercontinental Championship, but instead the #1 Contender's match ended up being between Kofi Kingston and Drew McIntyre. Kofi won the match, to set up Kofi Kingston v. Dolph Ziggler for the Intercontinental Championship. Since Christian was out of the title picture, I gave him a 1v1 match against Ziggler. Zigger attacked Christian before the match started, and in the scuffle, Christian ended up getting himself DQ'd. This set up a 1v1 Extreme Rules match the following week on SmackDown. However, Ziggler came to the ring, feigning injury. Taking Ziggler's place was Chris Jericho. As such, I flipped Jericho from the Raw brand to the SmackDown brand (I'm in desperate need of main eventers on SmackDown), and teamed him up to form a stable with Ziggler. Ziggler allying himself with Jericho protects him from my wrath. I wasn't going to have Ziggler drop the belt to Kingston, but as soon as I could get a worthy opponent to face Ziggler for the belt (preferably Christian), my original plans were to pretty much job Ziggler out of the WWE. My plans are now for Ziggler to retain at Backlash, and try to push Jericho into the World Heavyweight Championship picture, and make the 2 a dominate force on SmackDown. Good job Ziggler... ally yourself with one of my all time favorites. You're safe... for now.

A similar situation was developing over on Raw. I tried to, in my own way, recreate the John Cena / Miz / Rock feud. Thus, Miz has been running around getting involved in everyone's business over on Raw, all the while facing challenges from John Morrison and Evan Bourne gunning for the United States Championship. Miz has made enemies of Morrison, Bourne, The Rock, and John Cena in his quest for relevance, and will be defending his title in a Triple Threat match against John Morrison and Evan Bourne for his troubles.

To even the score, The Miz has alligned himself with the #1 Contender for John Cena's WWE Championship, Edge. After defeating Sheamus to become the #1 Contender, Edge has been dominating the top tier of Raw superstars waiting to face off against Cena for the title. With Miz and Edge now a unified force, there may be a shift of power on the Raw roster.

The team of MVP and Mark Henry had been making a name for themselves, defeating many of the top tag teams on both Raw and SmackDown on a quest to face the WWE Unified Tag Team Champions The Hart Dynasty for the title. MVP and Mark Henry were on a roll until they met CM Punk and the Straight Edge Society. Punk was not above resorting to underhanded tactics to ensure that he and his disciple will be fighting for the WWE Unified Tag Team Championship.

The full card:

WWE Backlash

United States Championship: Triple Threat / Falls Count Anywhere
The Miz (c) v. John Morrison v. Evan Bourne

Unified WWE Tag Team Championship:
The Hart Dynasty (c) v. Straight Edge Society

Intercontinental Championship:
Dolph Ziggler (c) v. Kofi Kingston

WWE Divas Championship:
Alicia Fox (c) v. Maryse

WWE World Heavyweight Championship:
Rey Mysterio (c) v. Big Show

WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) v. Edge

[Spider-ManHero12]

For all the talk people give about "damaging" Cena, or whatever, do you really think the audience that cheers Cena is all of a sudden going to think that Cena is no longer the best in the company, and can go toe to toe and defeat anyone because he lost to The Rock? Who is not only a WWE legend, but he's not even a legend in the mold of Hogan, or Piper, or Steamboat, Austin, or King - he's a WWE legend, one of the ALL TIME GREATS in the entire company, and STILL young and in peak physical condition. So he botched a kip up slightly after being out of the ring for 7 years (hell, I didn't even notice it), but he's not even some old, out of shaped, past his prime legend. He's not even Triple H status physically. The Rock is still in PEAK physical condition, on top of being an all time great in the business. Perfectly put, IMO. The Rock is 39 years old, I believe. He's young than Undertaker or Triple H, and he's still in great shape. Hell, he's bigger than he was back in 2003. He gained about 20 pounds of muscle I'd say. The guy is still quick and still strong. He's not 55 years old or 60 years old.

[Assassin]

I have something to do on sunday. I'm hoping i can hold out on any results of WM until i can d/l it and watch it at around 2 am. possible?

[The Sage]

The first match has been retconned out of WWE Universe continuity.

Yep, until next year's Streak package or the RAW after Wrestlemania where a video package runs through all of the victims.

[Heretic]

There's no confusion at all. It doesn't matter if it was the miz or anyone else, the PE is a finisher and it's the instantaneous get up he did, like the elbow had no effect of any kind that I have a problem with. If Austin stunneerd the miz and the miz got right back up, I'd be making the same argument.

But The Miz was fresh...it's not like he got The Peoples Elbow after a grueling match. If you look back over the years, typically when a fresh, uninjured wrestler gets surprised by a finishing move, they generally slowly get up and look angry as the other person walks off laughing.

[Scar Predator]

As far as HBK goes, I could see him stopping both Taker and HHH from using weapons and insisting that they rely on ability alone. At the same time, I could see him giving SCM to both of them,just because he's Mr. Wrestlemania, and walking out to an adoring crowd.

[Hotwire]

There's no confusion at all. It doesn't matter if it was the miz or anyone else, the PE is a finisher and it's the instantaneous get up he did, like the elbow had no effect of any kind that I have a problem with. If Austin stunneerd the miz and the miz got right back up, I'd be making the same argument.
The People's Elbow is not a finisher. It's one of The Rock's moves of doom. I don't ever remember him beating ANY top teir guy with it. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I remember it as a way to set up for The Rock Bottom. Kind of like HHH's spinebuster, or Cena's 5 Knuckle Shuffle. They hit it, taunt, wait for the guy to get up, and hit the finisher.

[The Sage]

The People's Elbow is not a finisher. It's one of The Rock's moves of doom. I don't ever remember him beating ANY top teir guy with it. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I remember it as a way to set up for The Rock Bottom. Kind of like HHH's spinebuster, or Cena's 5 Knuckle Shuffle. They hit it, taunt, wait for the guy to get up, and hit the finisher.

Rock pinned Triple H with the spinebuster/People Elbow's combo at Backlash in 2000. It's on his DVD, and on the internet somewhere probably.

[Ajendo]

But The Miz was fresh...it's not like he got The Peoples Elbow after a grueling match. If you look back over the years, typically when a fresh, uninjured wrestler gets surprised by a finishing move, they generally slowly get up and look angry as the other person walks off laughing.

Interesting point but still, a little canvas writhing wouldn't have gone amiss. Anyhow it was a stunner, Miz would have been out cold though. How many times did we used to see Austin charge into the ring and stunner some schmuck who hadn't even started getting physical and they'd be out cold.

[Ajendo]

The People's Elbow is not a finisher. It's one of The Rock's moves of doom. I don't ever remember him beating ANY top teir guy with it. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I remember it as a way to set up for The Rock Bottom. Kind of like HHH's spinebuster, or Cena's 5 Knuckle Shuffle. They hit it, taunt, wait for the guy to get up, and hit the finisher.

What???

The Rock used the people's elbow as a finisher countless times and the PE was usually setp up via a ddt, spinebuster and even the rock bottom if he really wanted to dish out the hurt. Just go on youtube, he's had many pinfall wins via the PE.

[Hotwire]

Rock pinned Triple H with the spinebuster/People Elbow's combo at Backlash in 2000. It's on his DVD, and on the internet somewhere probably.
Ah. Now, of course we have to take into consideration that they had just had a rough match and Austin had just whipped HHH with a chair.



Miz, of course, was still fresh.

[SpideyVille]

If Shawn costs someone the match, and comes off as a heel, it would be very weird watching the Hall of Fame thing the next night.

[The Chris]

The People's Elbow is a finisher, especially awesome one when he does it after The Rock Bottom

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[strikezone89]

The whole people's elbow not being a finisher is a good debate. The Rock has beaten people with it alone. If I remember correctly when he would rock bottom someone he would hit the PE and then get the pin. But I also seen numerous times he would hit the spine buster, PE and pin. It's a mix of both he could use any combo and get the pin. To say he had one finisher would not be valid.

[strikezone89]

If Rock is only there short term, he should lose to Cena.

That is just how it works...you dont put a one time talent over the guy who will be there week in, week out. The exception seems to be when that talent is a celebrity sports star who is fighting a heel. When it's a guy like Cena...who will be treated as THE best in the business for years on end, you dont have him job to a guy that isn't going to be around afterward...because that just makes the entire roster look weak in comparison to previous generations.

I agree. I say that if you want Rock to go over Cena then something big needs to follow. I would say have Rock vs Cena at Summerslam with Rock going over... then have Cena turn Mega Heel, they could even play a story line about how people are cheering for the Rock considering he left the company while Cena stayed and busted his ass to come on top. This could led to a Rock/Cena match at next years WM where Cena wins.

[venom892]

It all depends on what Rock is willing to do. If it's only going to be one match then I agree Cena should get the win.It adds to Cena's credibilty so that when he gets beat that person gets credibility.That's the cycle of wrestling.

[Metallo]

The first match has been retconned out of WWE Universe continuity.

Crisis in Infinite WWE Universes. Cena-Prime's got a tough task ahead of him.


Definitely caught my attention and made me watch that video.

I've loved the song choices for some video packages. This one was a perfect fit.


The question I ask is this:

-And this isn't to start an argument. It's not even to say that The Rock *should* win if he faces Cena. It's merely playing Devil's advocate-

How are the ratings *hurt* if Rock goes over Cena?

Do you really think the audience that tunes in FOR Cena is going to STOP watching if Cena loses?

For all the talk people give about "damaging" Cena, or whatever, do you really think the audience that cheers Cena is all of a sudden going to think that Cena is no longer the best in the company, and can go toe to toe and defeat anyone because he lost to The Rock? Who is not only a WWE legend, but he's not even a legend in the mold of Hogan, or Piper, or Steamboat, Austin, or King - he's a WWE legend, one of the ALL TIME GREATS in the entire company, and STILL young and in peak physical condition. So he botched a kip up slightly after being out of the ring for 7 years (hell, I didn't even notice it), but he's not even some old, out of shaped, past his prime legend. He's not even Triple H status physically. The Rock is still in PEAK physical condition, on top of being an all time great in the business.

Again, I'm not arguing that The Rock *should* go over Cena. I'm saying that there is no way that Cena gets *hurt* by losing a feud to The Rock. Viewers who love Cena won't stop watching. Viewers who love Cena won't stop buying his merchandise. Cena won't be any less credible in the main event scene, going up against (and beating) guys like Orton, Punk, Edge, Del Rio, and whatever other top guys are in the company going forward.


How is Rock going over Cena going to HELP ratings? Its Not. We have no idea what the long term reaction will be not just from todays younger fans but FUTURE potential younger fans that WWE will want to pick up. If Cena, their top guy, looks like a chump theres always a chance NEW potential fans may not be as interested because he is the top WWE draw for that demographic.

Its good business to make your top draw look as good as he can be. EVERY new fan helps. And the chance is as strong as anything that if his status is damaged then any potential fan might not be as interested.

Not to mention that fact that even if there is no signifigant change in ratings everybody is going to point out the fact that Rock hasn't wrestled a match in 7 years and just came back and beat the top guy. WWE doesn'tt want to do ANYTHING that could potentially damage Cenas drawing power.

I'll point you right at Bill Goldberg. You want PROOF that someones aura can be damaged and it can affect drawing power? Well there it is. Different situation but fans are fickle..especially younger fans.

Even if Hogan was still a middle aged man he was still Hulk f***in Hogan, the legend, the icon, the IMMORTAL superhero...but WWE was smart enough not to put him over their top guy at the time, The Rock.

Thats just talking about the ratings issues

Rock may be in his late 30's but looking back at all the history Cena has beaten some of the same people Rock beat and then some. Cena has displayed almost superhuman physicality and strenght in the ring. Certainly more physical strenght than the Rock at times.

Rock may still be young but he's still pushing 40 while Cena IS at his physical peak.

The Rock has had a SEVEN YEAR LAYOFF. Cena has been firing on all cylinders ever week for the past 6 years as the top dog in WWE while Rocky hasn't set foot in a WWE ring or had a match. Ring rust alone would dictate that Cena losing to him at this point would be pretty absurd.



Perfectly put, IMO. The Rock is 39 years old, I believe. He's young than Undertaker or Triple H, and he's still in great shape. Hell, he's bigger than he was back in 2003. He gained about 20 pounds of muscle I'd say. The guy is still quick and still strong. He's not 55 years old or 60 years old.

He's also had a seven year layoff and every wrestler who has had a long period of time off has said even after a few MONTHS of not being in the ring affects performance. Even cardiovascularly Rock should not be able to step in a WWE ring after a 7 year layoff and have it be a cakewalk.

Cena is younger than Rock, and Cena probably has just as much experience now as the Rock did when he left. Not to mention the fact that Cena has been wrestling steady foor the last 7 years and has zero ring rust..unlike the Rock.

If Cena loses where is the payoff for the future? Rocks not going to come back and be a full time performer. But Cena can get a lot out of the win off the Rock long term. And as the current top star in WWE WWE will benefit off something like that for a long time.



But The Miz was fresh...it's not like he got The Peoples Elbow after a grueling match. If you look back over the years, typically when a fresh, uninjured wrestler gets surprised by a finishing move, they generally slowly get up and look angry as the other person walks off laughing.

Not only that but guys DO get up from finishers sometimes...even ones more punishing than The peoples elbow. Even the Rock got up from the AA a few minutes later. He wasn't even knocked out....and that's got way more impact than the Peoples Elbow.

[strikezone89]

It all depends on what Rock is willing to do. If it's only going to be one match then I agree Cena should get the win.It adds to Cena's credibilty so that when he gets beat that person gets credibility.That's the cycle of wrestling.
I hope he'll wrestle a few matches. I've read an article about how happy The Rock is to be back in the WWE and has said that he's willing to wrestle.
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2011/0328/537956/the-rock/

[Metallo]

It all depends on what Rock is willing to do. If it's only going to be one match then I agree Cena should get the win.It adds to Cena's credibilty so that when he gets beat that person gets credibility.That's the cycle of wrestling.


If The Rock is going to beat Cena they should do a 3 match series.

Cena wins 1. Rock wins 1. Then Cena wins the rubber match.

If Rock's schedule permits I'd propose it start at Summerslam, goes to Survivor Series, then ends at Wrestlemania 28.

[Nemi]

How much time has Cena taken off to do his movies? I'm suprised he hasn't mentioned doing movies himself but still being around.

[The Sage]

Ah. Now, of course we have to take into consideration that they had just had a rough match and Austin had just whipped HHH with a chair.



Miz, of course, was still fresh.

The specifics...:funny:

I agree. I say that if you want Rock to go over Cena then something big needs to follow. I would say have Rock vs Cena at Summerslam with Rock going over... then have Cena turn Mega Heel, they could even play a story line about how people are cheering for the Rock considering he left the company while Cena stayed and busted his ass to come on top. This could led to a Rock/Cena match at next years WM where Cena wins.

In your scenario, is Rock around from Summerslam to Wrestlemania? Or does he take time off? Maybe a scenario where Cena attacks the Rock and puts him out for a few months until their rematch. Granted it would be weird since in those months Rock would film a couple of movies, but still...

[strikezone89]

The specifics...:funny:



In your scenario, is Rock around from Summerslam to Wrestlemania? Or does he take time off? Maybe a scenario where Cena attacks the Rock and puts him out for a few months until their rematch. Granted it would be weird since in those months Rock would film a couple of movies, but still...
I say take Rock out for a few months. Play an injury angle or something of the sorts. If they do the whole "I'm leaving to make a movie" people will turn on him and make Rock look like a liar.

[Nemi]

I say take Rock out for a few months. Play an injury angle or something of the sorts. If they do the whole "I'm leaving to make a movie" people will turn on him and make Rock look like a liar.

What kid of injury? Would you want Cena or Miz to take him out?

[Metallo]

He doesn't even need to be hurt. Just have him say he's doing Hollywood stuff but say he will be back when he can.

Cena can use that as ammo against the Rock. Rock has enough and returns for a second match.

The feud reaches a boiling point and they have one final encounter at Wrestlemania to end it once and for all.

After its over they gain some respect for one another as WWE greats. They might not like each other personally but they say they respect what the other guy has accomplished.

[strikezone89]

What kid of injury? Would you want Cena or Miz to take him out?
It would depend on what Rock is willing to do. If he's going to fight Cena and Miz or just focus on Cena, I say have Cena take him out cheaply like he did on Raw, just dominate Rock and take him out.

[Kaleb]

Cannot stand the "peoples Elbow".

[Nemi]

Cannot stand the "peoples Elbow".

I always saw it as a move that was really just about adding insult to injury then actually taking someone out.

It would depend on what Rock is willing to do. If he's going to fight Cena and Miz or just focus on Cena, I say have Cena take him out cheaply like he did on Raw, just dominate Rock and take him out.

It would certainly be something to see Cena dominate him so badly he has to be off tv for months.

[SpideyVille]

Wouldn't the People's Elbow count for as a Signature Move, as opposed to an actual Finisher? Not saying that he wouldn't use it to get a win, but a finisher is more like that last devastating blow to literally finish off you opponent.

[strikezone89]

Cannot stand the "peoples Elbow".
I don't think its that bad of a move, it is a good 'crowd move' when he sets up for the PE, the crowd gets nuts and wild. It's a flashy move more than anything.
I don't like when he hits it and it gets sold hit someone got hit by a truck.

[Metallo]

New trish pic
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/t/trishstratus/gallery/photoscans/5/gallery1/096.jpg


Exclusive: Who Made The Call To Fire Finlay, WMania Affected
by Nick Paglino

WrestleZone has learned that the decision to fire top WWE agent/producer Dave "Fit" Finlay came straight from the top. In an exclusive discussion with a key WWE insider, we learned the decision was made by WWE Chairman Vince McMahon himself, with no resistance from longtime Finlay supporter John Laurinaitis.

"Finlay's decision to have Miz interrupt the National Anthem was just not timely, and it was stupid," our source told us, "it's old old old old old old school heat that doesn't translate well in today's society. Fit should have known better."

Finlay was best known for working with the females, and we can exclusively report he was scheduled to handle the Trish Stratus/Snooki tag team match at Wrestlemania. No decision has been made yet as to Fit's replacement for that celebrity encounter. As of this posting, it is assumed John Laurinaitis will handle the match unless he pitches someone different to Vince McMahon.RAW Segment Doesn't Air as WWE Hoped, Cena Honored This Week, RAW

Posted by Marc Middleton (cramtechnologies@gmail.com) on 03/30/2011

- Stan sent word that Monday's go-home episode of WWE RAW had 17 minutes and 39 seconds of in-ring action, down from last week's 19 minutes and 22 seconds.

- As noted before, WWE will be bringing 30 Make-A-Wish kids to WrestleMania 27. A party will be held for the kids with John Cena and other Superstars & Divas. Cena will be honored at the party for surpassing 200 wishes granted. Cena joins Hulk Hogan along with NASCAR stars Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Jeff Gordon as the only celebrities to reach 200 wishes.

- The footage of Snooki, Trish Stratus, Layla and Michelle McCool in a bar that aired on RAW this past Monday was not what WWE had originally hoped for. They decided to air the best parts of the footage they filmed at the bar. The filming was delayed after Snooki showed up several hours late to the shoot.

On a related note, the man who was hitting on Snooki and Trish in the bar is a local independent wrestler who often wrestles as the "brother" of TNA star Robbie E.

Partial source: PWInsider Chances of this match being any good...diminishing.

[Hotwire]

Cannot stand "The People's Elbow".
It's just one of those over exaggerated moves, like "The Five Knuckle Shuffle", and "The Worm". It's meant to be a fun move for the crowd to get into.

[Hotwire]

New trish pic
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/t/trishstratus/gallery/photoscans/5/gallery1/096.jpg

Still the hottest Diva WWE has ever had.

[The Sage]

John Laurinaitis, booking a match involving divas...

Poor Trish, Morrison, and Ziggler. :csad:

[Metallo]

It's just one of those over exaggerated moves, like "The Five Knuckle Shuffle", and "The Worm". It's meant to be a fun move for the crowd to get into.

I've always like to think of the Rock Bottom as his actual finisher even though the Peoples Elbow can win a match.

The PE usually softens people up for the Rock Bottom, kind of like the spine buster leads to the Pedigree or HBK's elbow drop leads to the Sweet Chin Music.

I suppose any of those build up moves could finish a match but they usually don't.

[Dr. Evil]

John Laurinaitis, booking a match involving divas...

Poor Trish, Morrison, and Ziggler. :csad:

Since she's not full time, I doubt Trish cares.

[The Sage]

Since she's not full time, I doubt Trish cares.

True, but it's waste of her talent and time. Could've been wrestling Beth or Natalya.

[Nemi]

I think the next year is gonna be very interesting for the WWE. The main event of Wrestlemania may be two wrestlers who both have a foot out the door, and every other reason to watch involves people who aren't active wrestlers. They brought back The Rock, Stone Cold, Trish Stratus and added in Snooki. All because they realized they didn't have a show without them. This could hopefully serve as the wake up call they need to start building new stars.

[the_ultimate_evil]

hmm trish comes back and we get a jersey rat who will jump anything with a dick and johnny ace ends up in charge of the match

quite strange

[Dr. Evil]

I think the next year is gonna be very interesting for the WWE. The main event of Wrestlemania may be two wrestlers who both have a foot out the door, and every other reason to watch involves people who aren't active wrestlers. They brought back The Rock, Stone Cold, Trish Stratus and added in Snooki. All because they realized they didn't have a show without them. This could hopefully serve as the wake up call they need to start building new stars.

The Rock will be back at next year's Wrestlemania since that'll take place in Miami and he'll most likely headline next year's Hall of Fame.

It's not like Austin and Trish will be gone from the WWE forever after WM 27 either. Both will be back.

[PyroChamber]

True, but it's waste of her talent and time. Could've been wrestling Beth or Natalya.There's not doing anything worthwhile with the Divas right now, they're just waiting for Kong.

[SpideyVille]

So Triple H was officially announced as Shawn's inductee, not that that should be much of a surprise.

[Phatman]

New trish pic
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/t/trishstratus/gallery/photoscans/5/gallery1/096.jpg


Chances of this match being any good...diminishing.

Is it me or is trish hotter as a brunette?

[BlackLantern]

I figured it'd be him....or nash

And all stars has an acheivement called five moves of doom....you get it for doing a five hit combo/grapple.

[venom892]

Trish will always remain the best Diva ever.No comparison.

[The Sage]

I figured it'd be him....or nash

And all stars has an acheivement called five moves of doom....you get it for doing a five hit combo/grapple.

:lmao:

[Nemi]

The Rock will be back at next year's Wrestlemania since that'll take place in Miami and he'll most likely headline next year's Hall of Fame.

It's not like Austin and Trish will be gone from the WWE forever after WM 27 either. Both will be back.


That's very true but I mean in between this Wrestlemania and the next one. I hope they starting building new stars and taking stars they already have to the next level so that they don't need to rely on old stars.

[Heretic]

It is an indictment of how bad WWE has prepared when just about every marquee element of this Wrestlemania is either retired people, non wrestlers, and guys who are lucky to not break down on the way to the ring.

The Rock, Snooki, Cole, Lawler, Trish and Austin...and HHH and Taker are part time at best...

Imagine this Mania without those names. Where would we be??? We'd be at a Bragging Rights level PPV.

[Hunter Rider]

I believe the song you are looking for was off the Punisher OST - Mark Collie - In Time.

Cheers Nexy. :up: Is it a cover of a Johnny Cash song?

Cannot stand the "peoples Elbow".

I always thought it was goofy but it popped the crowd.

New trish pic
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/t/trishstratus/gallery/photoscans/5/gallery1/096.jpg



Gorgeous! :hrt:

Is it me or is trish hotter as a brunette?

I agree.

[E-Man]

It is an indictment of how bad WWE has prepared when just about every marquee element of this Wrestlemania is either retired people, non wrestlers, and guys who are lucky to not break down on the way to the ring.

The Rock, Snooki, Cole, Lawler, Trish and Austin...and HHH and Taker are part time at best...

Imagine this Mania without those names. Where would we be??? We'd be at a Bragging Rights level PPV.

I think that Sheamus, Bryan, Morrison, Kingston, and Christian would make great matches if they had feuds. Sure Sheamus and Bryan are fighting, but that feud could have been really great if they built it up better. Where is the Money in the Bank? That could help build stars, but they've just gotten even more horrible at building stars.

Wasting Morrison and Ziggler in a match with Snooki? Just atrocious. It's too bad that TNA is even worse at building stars. With the talent they have they could have been a good alternative that puts decent pressure on the WWE to make better shows. Unfortunately we get WCW 2000 all over again.:csad:

[Metallo]

Roddy Piper and The Miz on Jimmy Kimmel
-h_jnwkXDoY


It's too bad that TNA is even worse at building stars. With the talent they have they could have been a good alternative that puts decent pressure on the WWE to make better shows. Unfortunately we get WCW 2000 all over again.:csad:

Even if TNA was building better stars it wouldn't put pressure on WWE to do anything. The situation is very different that what happened to WWF in the 90s. They built new stars then because their business was going in the toilet BEFORE WCW ever became a threat and WCW became a threat and made it worse. All the old stars were leaving WWF. They were forced to build up new talent for a number of reasons.

WWE's business is just fine right now so Vince feels no need to worry. They sell the brand name today not the stars.

WCW was also part of a multi billion dollar media juggernaut that had the resources to take it to WWE. Even if TNA was run right they don't have that.

[Kaleb]

Bret Harts predictions for wm
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"I'm looking forward to Wrestlemania 27, especially because it's in Atlanta, a city that had a truly rich pro wrestling history going back decades until Eric Bischoff killed it deader than dead with WCW in 2000. I worked Atlanta back in 1981 when it was Georgia Championship Wrestling and it's terrific that WWE is inducting the greatest monster heel the wrestling business ever knew. Abdullah the Butcher terrorized the Stampede territory when I was a kid. From there he hit Japan like Godzilla, drawing tons of money and tons of fans. He is the King of Heels, if you ask me. I won't be at Wrestlemania this year but just knowing legends like Harley Race will be at Axxess makes me want to book my flight.



As for the actual line-up, it's been a slow build for much of the card, but for the past few weeks the promos and backstage situations seemed to be rather plain and flat, totally predictable. The Undertaker and Triple H segment with Shawn Michaels played out exactly like I expected, the usual smoke blowing up the rectum stuff, more grunts and then a staring contest, thank God Shawn was there just to add something, anything to it. I suppose there isn't much else these two legends can do as far as buildup goes but it came across to me as having little imagination, the match itself should be one of the better match ups because Taker brings it all the way for Wrestlemania and Triple H can turn it up when he wants to. Triple H has had some hard fought battles over the years, but I don't know if he's ever had his chance to literally blow them away at Wrestlemania but this might be his best chance. Taker, in my opinion, is truly one of the all-time best and time and time again, he has delivered the best match on the show so I expect a good solid match, old school but intense. It could steal the show.



I think that Edge and Alberto Del Rio should be a great showdown. These two can dance and Del Rio has been getting more annoying every week. Edge is one of those solid workers that can and will deliver when the time comes, and nobody should underestimate the skill of Alberto. Having grown up in the business, he has waited his entire lifetime for this exact moment. He's just starting to hit his stride now. They'll be no stopping him soon enough.



Cody Rhodes against Rey Mysterio should also be a classic simply because this is a clash of the greatest Mexican wrestler that ever lived squaring off with Cody Rhodes, who is one of the very best American style wrestlers in the business. Son of a legendary father, he has all the tools. If you don't believe me take a look at Cody's punches and kicks, spot on, enough I bet to make some of the bigger stars in the company cringe when they watch their stuff back on TV.



I expect that Randy Orton will give a great fight at Mania against CM Punk. This is one that, again, seemed to build up pretty much like I expected; same promo and psychology I envisioned before they even came out on RAW last night. These two are some of my favorites and they're at the very top of their game. I don't like to criticize either one of them, but I do wish there was more possibility for the unexpected. The angles are becoming harder and harder to differentiate from what they were doing a few months ago. With the storylines, I know it's a difficult job to be original in a business where everything has been done, but with two pros like these two, you'd think their buildup could've been slightly more unpredictable and actually think up something fitting as far as drama and intrigue. So I guess what I'm saying is the talent is there, I'm curious to see where it all ends up at Mania.



I know I've raved about certain guys, but the match I'd tell any young aspiring wrestler to concentrate on and study over and over will be the Sheamus versus Daniel Bryan. I was impressed by Daniel back in ROH but he's absolutely brilliant since his WWE arrival. He reminds me of my brother Owen at times, but he is everything that is good and true about pro wrestling. He makes me rise up to my feet in my living room every time I watch him. He is the best in the world right now as far as workrate goes. As for Sheamus, he has only gotten better and better. His moves are rock solid and his timing is perfect. The timing for a guy his size to jump up and kick his opponent in the face as he jumps off the top rope is sublime and these two will steal the show if they let 'em.



As for the Miz versus Cena match, again I thought for sure that The Rock would end up as part of it all along, but maybe not. If not, then I feel very disappointed. Rock brings so much. He looks great and he stoked a fire in me with his blazing promos. if anything, this storyline seems empty without him, which is a shame because Miz and Cena deserve better. This one seems to be all about Rock versus Cena. I thought some of the writing these past weeks came seriously close to killing the goose laying the golden eggs in WWE. I think with the main event, as a fan, I'd like to see them get to the damn point and focus on that, rather than dressing something up to look like a something else. Oh, and by the way the point is the actual wrestling.



I've never underestimated my onetime nemesis Jerry 'The KIng' Lawler. People can say what they want but Jerry is an old pro. I have no doubts he'll deliver a entertaining match and having Stone Cold there adds a lot as well. As for Michael Cole, he might be the most hated heel in wrestling right now and it will be worth the price of the PPV to see Lawler kick Cole's butt from one end of the ring to the other. No doubt Andy Kaufman will be watching from above. This one will deliver the smiles needed to complete a first rate Wrestlemania. I expect an excellent show, but I'm putting my faith in some of the dark horse matchups to make the most noise.

100% with all of this esp the last comment.

[Pink Ranger]

Good rub that Hitman gives Rhodes and Bryan there.

I also agree with his comment about Seamus; it's really the booking that has sabotaged him to date, but he really is a skilled "big brawler" type of wrestler.

[Nemi]

It is an indictment of how bad WWE has prepared when just about every marquee element of this Wrestlemania is either retired people, non wrestlers, and guys who are lucky to not break down on the way to the ring.

The Rock, Snooki, Cole, Lawler, Trish and Austin...and HHH and Taker are part time at best...

Imagine this Mania without those names. Where would we be??? We'd be at a Bragging Rights level PPV.

Exactly. They should be bonuses to an already great ppv not the reason we watch to begin with. Hopefully someone in the back is working on fixing this post Wrestlemania.

[Metallo]

Bret Harts predictions for wm
via Facebook

"I'm looking forward to Wrestlemania 27, especially because it's in Atlanta, a city that had a truly rich pro wrestling history going back decades until Eric Bischoff killed it deader than dead with WCW in 2000. I worked Atlanta back in 1981 when it was Georgia Championship Wrestling and it's terrific that WWE is inducting the greatest monster heel the wrestling business ever knew. Abdullah the Butcher terrorized the Stampede territory when I was a kid. From there he hit Japan like Godzilla, drawing tons of money and tons of fans. He is the King of Heels, if you ask me. I won't be at Wrestlemania this year but just knowing legends like Harley Race will be at Axxess makes me want to book my flight.

As for the actual line-up, it's been a slow build for much of the card, but for the past few weeks the promos and backstage situations seemed to be rather plain and flat, totally predictable. The Undertaker and Triple H segment with Shawn Michaels played out exactly like I expected, the usual smoke blowing up the rectum stuff, more grunts and then a staring contest, thank God Shawn was there just to add something, anything to it. I suppose there isn't much else these two legends can do as far as buildup goes but it came across to me as having little imagination, the match itself should be one of the better match ups because Taker brings it all the way for Wrestlemania and Triple H can turn it up when he wants to. Triple H has had some hard fought battles over the years, but I don't know if he's ever had his chance to literally blow them away at Wrestlemania but this might be his best chance. Taker, in my opinion, is truly one of the all-time best and time and time again, he has delivered the best match on the show so I expect a good solid match, old school but intense. It could steal the show.

I think that Edge and Alberto Del Rio should be a great showdown. These two can dance and Del Rio has been getting more annoying every week. Edge is one of those solid workers that can and will deliver when the time comes, and nobody should underestimate the skill of Alberto. Having grown up in the business, he has waited his entire lifetime for this exact moment. He's just starting to hit his stride now. They'll be no stopping him soon enough.

Cody Rhodes against Rey Mysterio should also be a classic simply because this is a clash of the greatest Mexican wrestler that ever lived squaring off with Cody Rhodes, who is one of the very best American style wrestlers in the business. Son of a legendary father, he has all the tools. If you don't believe me take a look at Cody's punches and kicks, spot on, enough I bet to make some of the bigger stars in the company cringe when they watch their stuff back on TV.

I expect that Randy Orton will give a great fight at Mania against CM Punk. This is one that, again, seemed to build up pretty much like I expected; same promo and psychology I envisioned before they even came out on RAW last night. These two are some of my favorites and they're at the very top of their game. I don't like to criticize either one of them, but I do wish there was more possibility for the unexpected. The angles are becoming harder and harder to differentiate from what they were doing a few months ago. With the storylines, I know it's a difficult job to be original in a business where everything has been done, but with two pros like these two, you'd think their buildup could've been slightly more unpredictable and actually think up something fitting as far as drama and intrigue. So I guess what I'm saying is the talent is there, I'm curious to see where it all ends up at Mania.

I know I've raved about certain guys, but the match I'd tell any young aspiring wrestler to concentrate on and study over and over will be the Sheamus versus Daniel Bryan. I was impressed by Daniel back in ROH but he's absolutely brilliant since his WWE arrival. He reminds me of my brother Owen at times, but he is everything that is good and true about pro wrestling. He makes me rise up to my feet in my living room every time I watch him. He is the best in the world right now as far as workrate goes. As for Sheamus, he has only gotten better and better. His moves are rock solid and his timing is perfect. The timing for a guy his size to jump up and kick his opponent in the face as he jumps off the top rope is sublime and these two will steal the show if they let 'em.

As for the Miz versus Cena match, again I thought for sure that The Rock would end up as part of it all along, but maybe not. If not, then I feel very disappointed. Rock brings so much. He looks great and he stoked a fire in me with his blazing promos. if anything, this storyline seems empty without him, which is a shame because Miz and Cena deserve better. This one seems to be all about Rock versus Cena. I thought some of the writing these past weeks came seriously close to killing the goose laying the golden eggs in WWE. I think with the main event, as a fan, I'd like to see them get to the damn point and focus on that, rather than dressing something up to look like a something else. Oh, and by the way the point is the actual wrestling.

I've never underestimated my onetime nemesis Jerry 'The KIng' Lawler. People can say what they want but Jerry is an old pro. I have no doubts he'll deliver a entertaining match and having Stone Cold there adds a lot as well. As for Michael Cole, he might be the most hated heel in wrestling right now and it will be worth the price of the PPV to see Lawler kick Cole's butt from one end of the ring to the other. No doubt Andy Kaufman will be watching from above. This one will deliver the smiles needed to complete a first rate Wrestlemania. I expect an excellent show, but I'm putting my faith in some of the dark horse matchups to make the most noise.

100% with all of this esp the last comment.

Even Bret Hart can see a lot of the problems with this show...but I guess some people would say Bret doesn't know what he's talking about despite being IN the business and being in the same spot as some of these guys...even as the top guy in WWE.

Bret knows people want to see Rock vs Cena and The Miz/Cena issue issues have been become murky because of that.

I'm also glad HBK showed up but even before he came out HHH began to breath life into this showdown with Taker. But Michaels added another dimension to it.

I think Bryan and Sheamus could possibly steal the show. Sheamus has come a log way and Bryan is one of the best workers in WWE.

I'm also looking forward too Rhodes vs Mysterio. One of the few midcard matches to have a strong build.

Orton and Punk have the talent but the story has been kind of "meh."

Bret just has a really good analysis of Wrestlemania 27.

[venom892]

I pretty much agree with everything the said.I think if given the proper time Cody will have a career defining match with Rey.Funny it was always though Cody would be the one left behind and Diabiase isn't even on the card.

[Metallo]

I pretty much agree with everything the said.I think if given the proper time Cody will have a career defining match with Rey.Funny it was always though Cody would be the one left behind and Diabiase isn't even on the card.

I always knew Cody would be the one to make it first. Maybe Ted will some day but I saw that Cody grasped the performance part from the moment he first stepped into WWE trying to stand up to Randy Orton and defend his father. And he also gave a great speech when Dusty got inducted in the HOF. Cody knows how to project his personality to the people.

Ted has more of "the look" but often he's just bland as hell. I think the more intense bearded character he seemed to be trying to move into is a good move for him.

[bullets]

Bret Harts predictions for wm
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That was a very good analysis from Bret Hart , I like what he says about Del Rio and Rhodes especially.

I think that Sheamus, Bryan, Morrison, Kingston, and Christian would make great matches if they had feuds. Sure Sheamus and Bryan are fighting, but that feud could have been really great if they built it up better. Where is the Money in the Bank? That could help build stars, but they've just gotten even more horrible at building stars.


Of course. It's a misdirection when you under utilize the talent. I'm worried for Kofi's future with the company where last year I was certain he would become one of the top stars. They should of done a different type of ladder match this year I think. Now something feels missing


Roddy Piper and The Miz on Jimmy Kimmel
-h_jnwkXDoY
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This was really cool . The games not TWO generations of wrestling though, It's THREE , wonder why they advertise the game like that , probably just to be simple.

[The Sage]

-- Jalil Patel, an Indian film actor, model and singer who has appeared in numerous Bollywood films, advertisements and music videos, was spotted in the VIP area at last night's iMPACT! taping in Orlando, Florida. He was seated off-camera and had four to five security guards around him at all times. (Thanks to Nick)

Patel worked a dark match against Ring of Honor competitor Roderick Strong at the August 10, 2010 iMPACT! taping, which he lost.

-- According to sources within TNA Wrestling, no determination has made regarding if and when Jeff Hardy will return to action.

It was reportedly discussed that Hardy would return as a babyface, but sources say the subject was never broached. Hulk Hogan criticizing him a promo on the March 17 iMPACT! was merely done to explain his absence from Immortal.

Hardy's status with the company likely won't be discussed until after his April 20 court hearing in Moore County, North Carolina.

source: PWInsider.com

- Kevin Nash recently spoke with CLATL.com to promote his party in Atlanta this week. Here are some highlights:

Before the Royal Rumble, you worked for Total Nonstop Action Wrestling for a few years. What is your role with WWE now?

For me, right now at almost 52 years old, I really don't want to be bouncing around too much. I'm blessed that I can get around as well as I can after being beat up for so many years. But I'd still like to do anything I can do to help the young guys and help the federation move forward. So we're going to sit down over 'Mania weekend and the weeks after that, look at some options, and see what works for them and what works for myself and move forward.

Will you be involved in WrestleMania at all?

I haven't been told anything, but like any good pro wrestler, I'll definitely pack my gear because you never know when somebody's going to go down and they need a body. So I'll make sure I have my gear on me in case I am needed. But I will be signing at the fan Axxess for them under my Legends contract. It'll be nice to get back down there, and WrestleMania's always special. It's the Super Bowl of wrestling, and it's nice to be part of the whole weekend. And to do our own little thing to kick it off is something that's special to me because I've never tried to do anything like this before and it's gotten a good response.

- Former WWE Diva Molly Holly (Nora Benshoof) recently spoke with EveningTribune.com to promote the 38th Annual Sports Night in Hornsell, NY. Here are some highlights:

Your last appearance was Dec. 10, 2007 during the Raw 15th Anniversary Show. What have you been doing since retiring from WWE?

The last time that I wrestled on television was at WrestleMania 25 just a couple of years ago. I do cameos on TV every now and then if they ask me to, but I don’t wrestle for a living anymore. Now I work in a drug and alcohol prevention program where I do presentations in the health classes of junior and senior high schools throughout the Twin Cities, Minneapolis and St. Paul.

You were married a little less than a year ago to Geno Benshoof in White Bear Lake, Minnesota. How’s married life been treating you?

I wasn’t sure if I’d like being married because I really liked being single. But it turns out that married life is awesome. My husband and I have so much fun together. We spend a lot of time at church. My husband leads a praise and worship group at church. And we also spend time with my nieces and nephews.

What’s next for you in terms of wrestling or entertainment?

I have no interest in pursuing a career in entertainment anymore. I’ve already accomplished all of my goals when it comes to that. I’m really happy doing what I’m doing now because it has nothing to do with being famous. I love being a part of fundraisers and charity events such as this.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303514422.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303499223.php
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[venom892]

Ha that Piper/Miz video is great. If there is one thing to be said about Miz it is that he is willing to promote the company in any way possible with appearances on different shows. He is like Cena in that respect promoting the WWE constantly. that is going to ensure he stays on top for a while because if there is one thing Vince loves is people putting the company above all else.

[Kaleb]

s of right now, WWE plans on having a segment integrating the HHH vs. Undertaker, King vs. Cole and Cena vs. Miz feuds at Mania or the RAW afterwards. The plan is too have HHH, Undertaker, Cena, Miz, Rock, Stone Cold, and HBK in the same ring at the event.

-Wrestlingobserver.com

One of these things is not like the others

[BlackLantern]

the game is separated into Legends and Superstars

[Marx]

Trish will always remain the best Diva ever.No comparison.

Trish is good, but I think Lita gives her a good run for her money. :up:

[BlackLantern]

Trish is good, but I think Lita gives her a good run for her money. :up:

yes...if the competition was about being a cheating whore

[bullets]

Ted has more of "the look" but often he's just bland as hell. I think the more intense bearded character he seemed to be trying to move into is a good move for him.


He has been very dull . Hopefully he improves and maybe with Nexus gone he could lead that sons stable - Fortune- if that was the name.

[bullets]

I think Victoria , Melina , early Mickie, Beth , and Natalya are good 'divas' ..almost comparable to trish and lita.



s of right now, WWE plans on having a segment integrating the HHH vs. Undertaker, King vs. Cole and Cena vs. Miz feuds at Mania or the RAW afterwards. The plan is too have HHH, Undertaker, Cena, Miz, Rock, Stone Cold, and HBK in the same ring at the event.

-Wrestlingobserver.com

One of these things is not like the others

That would be an amazing visual but makes no sense how that would all fit together.


the game is separated into Legends and Superstars


Ah , I see... still three different generations in that game IMO .

[Marx]

I think Victoria , Melina , early Mickie, Beth , and Natalya are good 'divas' ..almost comparable to trish and lita.

I would agree with that. :up:

[Dr. Evil]

s of right now, WWE plans on having a segment integrating the HHH vs. Undertaker, King vs. Cole and Cena vs. Miz feuds at Mania or the RAW afterwards. The plan is too have HHH, Undertaker, Cena, Miz, Rock, Stone Cold, and HBK in the same ring at the event.

-Wrestlingobserver.com

One of these things is not like the others



I loved playing that game when I was a youngster watching Sesame Street.

[BlackLantern]

woo hoo....unlocked Mr Perfect and Eddie Guerrero

[Hellion]

I think Victoria , Melina , early Mickie, Beth , and Natalya are good 'divas' ..almost comparable to trish and lita.


Agreed...but, While talking about divas...

...No Ivory or Jacqueline love?

[Hunter Rider]

Bret's analysis of Mania is very good, although I don't agree with him on the Trips/Taker/HBK segment.

Lita was unique in her style and the most over Diva ever, but Trish was the best worker and all round performer as she could play both face and heel to equal success.

s of right now, WWE plans on having a segment integrating the HHH vs. Undertaker, King vs. Cole and Cena vs. Miz feuds at Mania or the RAW afterwards. The plan is too have HHH, Undertaker, Cena, Miz, Rock, Stone Cold, and HBK in the same ring at the event.

-Wrestlingobserver.com

One of these things is not like the others

:dry:
My husband and I have so much fun together. We spend a lot of time at church. My husband leads a praise and worship group at church.

That sounds thrilling. :(

[Lunar_Wolf]

Going from wrestling to church...Must be an exciting change.

[BlackLantern]

don't be that guy HR....she seems to be pretty content with where she's at....might sounds boring to us, but if she likes to bible thump and praise the Jeebus....why not?

[Slushy]

The People's Elbow is not a finisher. It's one of The Rock's moves of doom. I don't ever remember him beating ANY top teir guy with it. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I remember it as a way to set up for The Rock Bottom. Kind of like HHH's spinebuster, or Cena's 5 Knuckle Shuffle. They hit it, taunt, wait for the guy to get up, and hit the finisher.


http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/wwe-dvd-covers/wwf-wrestlemania-x8-cover.jpg

[bullets]

Agreed...but, While talking about divas...

...No Ivory or Jacqueline love?


Not my favorites but they were also good.


Bret's analysis of Mania is very good, although I don't agree with him on the Trips/Taker/HBK segment



You mean you don't feel that Shawn's involvement was necessary or that it didn't add anything ?

[Hellion]

http://www.wrestling101.com/home/wp-content/gallery/wwe-dvd-covers/wwf-wrestlemania-x8-cover.jpg



Last great Wrestlemania to me...I missed Shawn & Taker last year and still need to catch up

[bullets]

Watching some of the press conference videos for Wrestlemania but the crowds full of morons. Basically Stephanie talks about attending the first WM when she was 8 ..so they start a Hogan sucks chant. They booed Snooki though , lol , can't argue with that.

[AndrewGilkison]

Rock also beat Triple H for the title with the People's Elbow at Backlash 2000, fyi.

[BlackLantern]

Watching some of the press conference videos for Wrestlemania but the crowds full of morons. Basically Stephanie talks about attending the first WM when she was 8 ..so they start a Hogan sucks chant. They booed Snooki though , lol , can't argue with that.

what did the crowd do to displease you?

[bullets]

what did the crowd do to displease you?


Didn't let anyone talk basically it just annoyed the hell out of me, chanting 'fruity pebbles' at the Rock , c'mon now.

[BlackLantern]

crowds will do that........the Rock started that, it was bound to catch on

[bullets]

crowds will do that........the Rock started that, it was bound to catch on


I understand that but it was basically overbearing the whole entire press conference.

[BlackLantern]

that does get annoying....the TNA crowd does that every week

[Hunter Rider]

don't be that guy HR....she seems to be pretty content with where she's at....might sounds boring to us, but if she likes to bible thump and praise the Jeebus....why not?

If I was married to Molly I could think of better things to do with her than hang out in chruch. :(

You mean you don't feel that Shawn's involvement was necessary or that it didn't add anything ?

No not that, I just thought the whole segment was good where as Bret didn't seem to.

[Metallo]

I think Victoria , Melina , early Mickie, Beth , and Natalya are good 'divas' ..almost comparable to trish and lita.

Trish and Lita were the top two but there have indeed been a lot of talented divas. If I could take Beth, Melina, and Natalya back to that 2000-2006 era of WWE womens wrestling it would be amazing.


Ah , I see... still three different generations in that game IMO .I was thinking about that too. The length of a generation can run anywhere between 20 and 30 years I think so its not really that far off. Basically the guys that made up the previous 20+ years before the Cena era are the first generation and the stars of todays WWE would be the second generation.

Although there are guys in the game from at least four...maybe five different WWE eras in the game. The Rock'n'Wrestling/Hogan Era, The New Generation/Hart-Michaels era, The Attutude/Austin Era, and whatever else we had after the Attiude Era as well as the Cena era.



don't be that guy HR....she seems to be pretty content with where she's at....might sounds boring to us, but if she likes to bible thump and praise the Jeebus....why not?

Yeah you're already our designated guy for that. We don't need another one. :cwink:


that does get annoying....the TNA crowd does that every week

That sounds worst than the Impact Zone crowd though. Booing Hogan because Stephanie says she remembers being at the first Wrestlemania? not sure what those people were trying to accomplish there.

[Milu]

If I was married to Molly I could think of better things to do with her than hang out in chruch. :(
I bet you would. ;)


As long as she's not shoving her beliefs down others' throats, I see no problem with Molly being of faith.

[Metallo]

If I was married to Molly I could think of better things to do with her than hang out in chruch. :(

If the guy was smart enough to marry Molly Holly I'm sure he must be taking advantage of all the fruits of such a marriage when they aint at church. I would :word: At least Mollys leading a nice life trying to help people...unlike certain other divas. Might be dull but...good for Molly.


No not that, I just thought the whole segment was good where as Bret didn't seem to.

Ditto. Triple H was doing some great mic work before Shawn Michaels even walked out there.

[SuperFerret]

Cannot stand the "peoples Elbow".

Why?

[Heretic]

The Peoples Elbow is one of those moves that just stretches the suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. Like The Worm, The Hogan Leg Drop and the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, it requires the opponent to remain motionless for too long...and really shouldnt hurt much at all.

Besides, a DDT is the setup to the Peoples Elbow, right? What would hurt worse...getting your head slammed into a metal ring...or having someone drop his forearm on your chest?

[SuperFerret]

Hmm... I think I see the problem.

Pro wrestling isn't a real fight. It's a much more exaggerated world. The People's Elbow isn't just a forearm dropping to your chest, it's The People's Elbow. It's got the backing of the People's Champ, the Great One, etc. etc. behind it.

This isn't a group of street fighters brawling it out, these guys are bonafide superheroes.

[Pink Ranger]

That sounds thrilling. :(

I'm happy that she's happy. I like to see divas settle down to a normal life rather than die at 42 with a needle in her arm and Steve Austin's fingerprints around her throat.

[NDX]

The Peoples Elbow is one of those moves that just stretches the suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. Like The Worm, The Hogan Leg Drop and the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, it requires the opponent to remain motionless for too long...and really shouldnt hurt much at all.

Besides, a DDT is the setup to the Peoples Elbow, right? What would hurt worse...getting your head slammed into a metal ring...or having someone drop his forearm on your chest?
Pretty much this, although I was a fan of Hogan's leg drop.

[bullets]

No not that, I just thought the whole segment was good where as Bret didn't seem to.

I thought so too , everyone brought their a-game to that promo. I haven't been happy with the build until this point.




That sounds worst than the Impact Zone crowd though. Booing Hogan because Stephanie says she remembers being at the first Wrestlemania? not sure what those people were trying to accomplish there.

Another reason it was annoying because there were times when it wasn't in sync so it was just all over the place .

[Nemi]

:lmao: at the twitter war between Cm Punk and Stone Cold.

[bullets]

It's awesome ..i'm dying for that to lead into something

I'm happy that she's happy. I like to see divas settle down to a normal life rather than die at 42 with a needle in her arm and Steve Austin's fingerprints around her throat.


Sadly Luna Vachon settled down and found god but still OD'd .That was shocking. I'm glad Holly is 'living right, good for her.

[Metallo]

I'm happy that she's happy. I like to see divas settle down to a normal life rather than die at 42 with a needle in her arm and Steve Austin's fingerprints around her throat.

Ouch...

Maybe Steve just wanted to practice a new version of The Million Dollar dream? :huh:

Probably not.

Sable seems to be doing ok. She got "brocked up" by Lesnar. Better than getting knocked out.


Pretty much this, although I was a fan of Hogan's leg drop.

The leg drop is one of those moves that just looks simple an uninteresting...but I never had a problem with Hogan using it because I could buy a 300 pound dude dropping all his weight and putting the hurt someone with it.

Hogan usually hit somebody with the boot or the slam before he did it and I could believe that would stun someone long enough for Hogan to hit the legdrop. Sometimes he'd wait to long then it would look rather silly.

[Slushy]

A lot of people like to hate the Hogan Ledrop, but I didn't mind it. A 300 lbs. guy dropping his leg on your throat is a believable finisher.


Sadly Luna Vachon settled down and found god but still OD'd .That was shocking.


Yeah, I was really bummed about that. I got to meet her a few years at a convention. She was a total sweetheart compared to the character she played that terrified me when I was a kid. IIRC she took her own life because she lost everything due to her house burning down.

[Mr.Webs]

Love the title.:up:

[NDX]

The leg drop is one of those moves that just looks simple an uninteresting...but I never had a problem with Hogan using it because I could buy a 300 pound dude dropping al lhis weight and putting the hurt someone with it.

Hogan usually hit somebody with the boot or the slam before he did it and I could believe that would stun someone long enough for Hogan to hit the legdrop. Sometimes he'd wait to long then it would look rather silly.
Hogan also used to get some good height when jumping to hit the move, so that added to it. Nowadays it wouldn't fly, but 20 years ago, it makes sense.

[NDX]

Love the title.:up:
Wish I came up with it 20 pages ago.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Love the new thread title :)

So I just finished up with Backlash in my WWE Universe. Here's the results:

**United States Championship (Triple Threat | Falls Count Anywhere)
The Miz (c) v. John Morrison v. Evan Bourne

-The Miz won the match rather easily, pinning John Morrison outside the ring after an assault from a steel chair.

**Unified WWE Tag Team Championship
The Hart Dynasty (c) v. Straight Edge Society

-The match was tightly contested, but Luke Gallows scored the pinfall victory over David Hart Smith to capture the belts for the Straight Edge Society.

**Intercontinental Championship
Dolph Ziggler (c) v. Kofi Kingston

-The reigning champion retained his title in what ended as a squash match against the challenger.

**Grudge Match (First Blood)
Chris Jericho v. Christian

-Originally scheduled on the card was a title for the WWE Divas' Championship, pitting the champion Alicia Fox against the challenger Maryse. However, the budding feud between Christian and the newly arriving Chris Jericho won out (see: I buried the divas). The match was closely contested, with Christian appearing to have the upper hand. However, after hitting Jericho with the Killswitch, the Intercontinental Champion Dolph Ziggler arrived on the scene. Y2J regained the upper hand after Ziggler put the Sleeper Hold on Christian. Jericho would lock Christian in the Walls of Jericho, and then finally bust his opponent open with the Codebreaker, securing the victory.

**World Heavyweight Championship
Rey Mysterio (c) v. Big Show

-Just nights after assaulting Big Show on SmackDown following Big Show's winning of the #1 Contendership, CM Punk made his presence felt again by showing up ringside during Big Show's title match. CM Punk watched on as Big Show scored the victory over Mysterio. (see: this was the only match that didn't go according to plans. Big Show has earned himself a burial for messing up my plans for SmackDown. CM Punk seems as though he will be the vessel of my wrath)

**WWE Championship
John Cena (c) v. Edge

-The newly formed alliance between Edge and The Miz paid dividends, as The Miz attacked John Cena as he made his way to the ring. This opened up the opportunity to score a quick and decisive victory over the champion. After Edge's win, John Morrison made his way to the stage. Have the antics of Edge and The Miz over the past month finally passed the limit?

[Metallo]

Yeah, I was really bummed about that. I got to meet her a few years at a convention. She was a total sweetheart compared to the character she played that terrified me when I was a kid. IIRC she took her own life because she lost everything due to her house burning down.

So it was an intentional suicide? Thats really sad to hear. sad either way but more sad if she felt there was no other way. She seemed like a really nice person. I recently listened to an interview she did a few years ago and she sounded like someone you could respect as a person that treated other people well. Really respected the business.

Luna really was one of those women wrestlers that was underrated. She was a good wrestler and had a good character. I was always a fan.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/245/810/hbkluna_display_image.jpg?1275534112http://www.todaysfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Luna-Vachon-6-300x387.jpg

[Scar Predator]

So it was an intentional suicide? Thats really sad to hear. sad either way but more sad if she felt there was no other way. She seemed like a really nice person. I recently listened to an interview she did a few years ago and she sounded like someone you could respect as a person that treated other people well. Really respected the business.

Luna really was one of those women wrestlers that was underrated. She was a good wrestler and had a good character. I was always a fan.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/245/810/hbkluna_display_image.jpg?1275534112http://www.todaysfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Luna-Vachon-6-300x387.jpg

These two pics speak volumes. 15-20 years ago, everyone had a unique look that etched them in the fans' minds. Now all the Divas are dolled up like supermodels and the guys mostly wear boring nuthuggers. Luna also had a unique voice, which was a heat magnet.

Character development, WWE, character development!:doh:

[Incrediblejeff]

Damn,It's so sad that both Bam Bam and Luna are gone.I loved them.

[NDX]

Those were the best of times. Some of the best memories I have from wrestling came from that era.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Dolph Ziggler may not be safe from my wrath for very long. Chris Jericho is moving his way up the Intercontinental Championship rankings. If he wins a #1 Contender's match, all of a sudden it will be Dolph vs. Y2J for the IC title. A feud between allies, a broken stable, and a probably face turn from one of them. Either way, Jericho gets my backing in that situation. And down the card Ziggler shall fall!!! :D

(or not, he's actually been keeping things interesting in my SmackDown mid card. I may not totally bury him, but don't tell anyone!)

Evan Bourne also went heel on me. He went all upside R-Truth's head for some reason, but he got himself a title shot against The Miz for his efforts.