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[Slushy]

What are your guys' favorite WM moments? Here's mine:

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In all seriousness though:

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[The Sage]

What are your guys' favorite WM moments? Here's mine:

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In all seriousness though:

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/classics/wwf%20bret%20title.jpg

It used to be the end of Wrestlemania 20, but that's been tainted. :csad:

In recent memory, Taker's leaping Tombstone that ended HBK's career last year was a standout.

[Kaleb]

For me its Shawn Michaels enterance at WM12

[The Chris]

The Rock and Hogan staring each other down in the middle of the ring.
Edge's spear on Hardy at Wrestlemania X-Seven
HBK's doing taker's slashing gesture and then slapping him, going into mega tombstone
The Whole Rock/Austin Wrestlemania Trilogy
Austin in sharpshooter
HBK winning title at WMXII, coming from rafters
Lesnar's failed shooting star
End of Wrestlemania XX

[Heretic]

I never really watched WWE much until WCW was on it's way out...so the early mania matches meant nothing to me. I'd say my top moment of all time was Benoit winning the gold. I happened to be in a room packed with a few hundred wrestling fans watching it, and the electricity of that moment was just amazing.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Instead of favorite moments, I'll just list my favorite matches considering I loved all of them.

Austin beating Shawn Michaels at Wresltemania 14 is defenitely one of my favorites. It brought Austin to the top ranks at that point.

Austin vs. the Rock at WM 15, 17, and 19. These matches hold a special place in my heart. It's like Ali vs. Frazier, if you ask me. :up:

[Kaleb]

Benoit turning around and seeing Eddie standing in the ring waiting to congratulate him.

Randy Savage reunites with Miss Elizabeth.

Vince and Austin shaking hands

[Spider-ManHero12]

Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania 25 and 26.

Personally, I never thought I'd see a match so amazing at this point in Wrestling, considering the fact that I thought (and still do aside from Rock, Undertaker, Triple, and Edge) WWE had fallen far from greatness. Both guys put on an incredible show 2 years in a row.

Undertaker vs. Diesel - Wresltemania 12

The Rock vs. hulk Hogan - Wresltemania 18

[Metallo]

These two pics speak volumes. 15-20 years ago, everyone had a unique look that etched them in the fans' minds. Now all the Divas are dolled up like supermodels and the guys mostly wear boring nuthuggers. Luna also had a unique voice, which was a heat magnet.

The fact that I, a big fan, couldn't tell most of the women in the 25 Diva battle royal apart the first time I watched it says everything. It was a sea of blond.




What are your guys' favorite WM moments?


Here are some of my favorite "moments"

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[Metallo]

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[the_ultimate_evil]

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[Colossal Spoons]

Just caught RAW. Way to ruin the Rock/Cena feud just 6 days before WM. Cena came out and delivered a heartfelt(yet slightly uncomfortable) promo about being one of the Rock's People. But instead of Rocky responding in an intelligent manner, he just went grey Hulk and threatened to smash Cena.

Idk why the booking is so hard to get right these days.

[Metallo]

LOL. That looks like Ricky Morton wrestling the kid.

[The Sage]

Just caught RAW. Way to ruin the Rock/Cena feud just 6 days before WM. Cena came out and delivered a heartfelt(yet slightly uncomfortable) promo about being one of the Rock's People. But instead of Rocky responding in an intelligent manner, he just went grey Hulk and threatened to smash Cena.

Idk why the booking is so hard to get right these days.

It was almost as if Rock didn't know how to respond so he stuck with the trash talk.

It didn't ruin it and I thought the segment came off great. It easily planted the seeds of a Cena heel turn or a more aggressive one.

[Metallo]

I was also hoping for more from the Rock. Rock did well but I thought Cena gave a really strong promo.

[Metamorpho1977]

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/oneofthosedaysp1.gif?w=250

Who is that? It's hilarious.

[Kaleb]

Just caught RAW. Way to ruin the Rock/Cena feud just 6 days before WM. Cena came out and delivered a heartfelt(yet slightly uncomfortable) promo about being one of the Rock's People. But instead of Rocky responding in an intelligent manner, he just went grey Hulk and threatened to smash Cena.

Idk why the booking is so hard to get right these days.

Totally agree with you spoons.

[Heretic]

It was in no way "ruined".

The Rock has been destroying Cena for a month with very accurate criticisms that we as a wrestling community have used ourselves.

Cena shot back, answering those criticisms and really...making those of us who mock him for catering to kids etc look pretty stupid...it was a VERY strong promo.

Just as The Rock has been owning Cena...this time Cena owned The Rock...and really, there isn't much The Rock could have said.

What I like is that you start the segment agreeing with The Rock...then start agreeing with Cena and realizing that there isn't anything wrong with what he does...and then you side with The Rock again because Cena attacked him from behind. It was actually a lot better then people are giving it credit for.

[bullets]

What are your guys' favorite WM moments?



Too many to list but I'll put some.

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[bullets]

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:lmao: funniest gif I've seen in a while.





What I like is that you start the segment agreeing with The Rock...then start agreeing with Cena and realizing that there isn't anything wrong with what he does...and then you side with The Rock again because Cena attacked him from behind. It was actually a lot better then people are giving it credit for.

:up:

[Zanham]

It was almost as if Rock didn't know how to respond so he stuck with the trash talk.
Why would he? Cena basically came out and called him the equivalent to a racist in front of a national audience. What could he say to that?


It didn't ruin it and I thought the segment came off great. It easily planted the seeds of a Cena heel turn or a more aggressive one.
Cena got booed off RAW, the question is does he carry that over into 'Mania? I think he has to come out to new music or no music at all to do that. Squash Miz in the main event in 5 minutes and belittle the crowd for booing him. Then Rock comes out and who knows...

[Marx]

There is a lot of great moments listed above!

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Thank you so much for this. I needed a good laugh! :lmao:

[Colossal Spoons]

It was in no way "ruined".

I could go back and edit my post and add (IMHO). It was ruined "for me". It was one of the few things I was looking forward to in WM and now the whole PPV is w/e.

What I like is that you start the segment agreeing with The Rock...then start agreeing with Cena and realizing that there isn't anything wrong with what he does...and then you side with The Rock again because Cena attacked him from behind. It was actually a lot better then people are giving it credit for.

I genuinely wanted to hear what the Rock had to say to Cena's promo on Monday. Cena was honest, broke character and spoke as an old wrestling fan and Rock just went into angry catch-phrase mode. How that furthered the feud is beyond me. Cena did all the work last night; as much as I hate to say that. Rock just threw water on himself a lot, paced around like a maniac, and invited us all to his new facebook group "Team Bring It".

[Pink Ranger]

The fact that the Cena/Rock series of promos is generating such polarizing discussions among a group of jaded, adult, smark-ish wrestling fans is proof to me that it succeeded. If we were all hating it, or all loving it, then maybe the WWE did something wrong.

[Hunter Rider]

I bet you would. ;)


As long as she's not shoving her beliefs down others' throats, I see no problem with Molly being of faith.

Agreed, I was just having a bit fun. :)

I thought so too , everyone brought their a-game to that promo. I haven't been happy with the build until this point.


Yeah, I think it's easily the best build up segment this Mania has had.

These two pics speak volumes. 15-20 years ago, everyone had a unique look that etched them in the fans' minds. Now all the Divas are dolled up like supermodels and the guys mostly wear boring nuthuggers. Luna also had a unique voice, which was a heat magnet.

Character development, WWE, character development!:doh:

This is one of the reason's I like JoMo, he's not going for the MMA look so many are these days, he's flamboyant like HBK and Savage etc...

[Hunter Rider]

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These. :up:

I'd also add Savage winning the WWF title at WMIV and the aftermatch promos from Savage and Flair at WMVIII.

[Hunter Rider]

That gif! :awesome:

I genuinely wanted to hear what the Rock had to say to Cena's promo on Monday. Cena was honest, broke character and spoke as an old wrestling fan and Rock just went into angry catch-phrase mode. How that furthered the feud is beyond me. Cena did all the work last night; as much as I hate to say that. Rock just threw water on himself a lot, paced around like a maniac, and invited us all to his new facebook group "Team Bring It".

I agree, I don't think has ruined everything but I was hoping to hear more from Rocky than what we got, I wanted to her something that felt as raw and true as Cena's promo did.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://dustinstarr.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wrestlemania13_feature.jpg Such an iconic moment. :up:

[Dr. Evil]

Damn....looking at that picture of Eddie and Benoit is a bit somber, after what Benoit did. Boy, that was the Summer of Hell no doubt and I don't even mean from a storyline standpoint. But for the WWE to survive the Summer of Hell 2007 is a testament to their longevity. I honestly think that "Summer of Hell 2007" played a significant role in why the WWE is TV PG nowadays. I might be the only one, but I think if there wasn't the "Summer of Hell 2007" the WWE would still be TV 14.

Again though, I might be the only one who feels that way. If I am the only one than so be it.

*waits to be pelted by steel chairs from the rest of this forum."

[Spider-ManHero12]

The ending to the Shawn Michals/Ric FLair match was sad, but fitting, IMO. Defenitely a great moment. :up:


Another one I'd like to add is the ending to Wrestlemania XV with Austin beating the Rock for the World Wrestling Federation championship.

Jeff Hardy swanton Bomb off of Ladder onto Bubbah-Ray Dudley at Wrestlemania 2000 is another one that stands out to me.

Edge spearing Jeff Hardy from a 20 foot ladder at Wrestlemania X-Seven.

Undertaker diving over the top rope and through a table during his fight with Kane at Wrestlemania XIV.

[venom892]

It makes me sad seeing those images because I don't think we'll get a moment like these at WM27.Here's hoping I'm proven wrong.

[Kaleb]

We proberbly will but it would seem forced (ie Austin and Randy sharing a beer together in the ring while Punk is out cold,or Cena and Rock finally shaking hands or Rock raising Cena's hand in victory to close off the show)

[Hellion]

Luna really was one of those women wrestlers that was underrated. She was a good wrestler and had a good character. I was always a fan.

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Bam Bam and Luna (still think Sable and Luna is the best women's/diva's feud...or maybe tied with Jacqueline and Sable's...both had so many great moments)...:csad:

Still deciding whether to get Wrestlemania or not.........and I'm still catching up on the last few years...the fan in me wants to get it, but also tells me your setting yourself up for disappointment

[Hotwire]

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This is a great example of a big guy wearing proper ring attire. Someone please show this to Brodus and Husky. As much as I dislike the manties, there really should be some rules on who gets to wear them. If you're in good shape, fine. If you look like someone who scares the s*** out of the cook at the buffet, put on some pants and a shirt! This also goes for any guys with man-boobs! Yeah, I'm talking to you, Ric Flair!

[Hotwire]

I was going to mention The Kat flashing the audience as a favorite Wretlemania moment, until I realized that was at Armageddon. Oh well.

Funny story regarding that...
I was watching it with my hrother, who was 13 at the time. Well, when Kat flashed everyone, I was a bit stunned, he was silent. Then, when Mae stripped down and asked if anyone wanted to see her puppies, my bro just says, "Turn it.!"

[Colossal Spoons]

I agree, I don't think has ruined everything but I was hoping to hear more from Rocky than what we got, I wanted to her something that felt as raw and true as Cena's promo did.

Can't hear you, too busy "bringing it" :argh:

[Kaleb]

http://cdn.heymanhustle.craveonline.com/images/kmhb11.jpg

What the hell is wrong with HHH

[Nemi]

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What the hell is wrong with HHH

He's resisting the urge to break out the shovel since she is getting more media coverage.

[Metallo]

http://cdn.heymanhustle.craveonline.com/images/kmhb11.jpg

What the hell is wrong with HHH

He probably feels this intense urge to pedigree That Jersey warf rat Snookie..

[Heretic]

I could go back and edit my post and add (IMHO). It was ruined "for me". It was one of the few things I was looking forward to in WM and now the whole PPV is w/e.



I genuinely wanted to hear what the Rock had to say to Cena's promo on Monday. Cena was honest, broke character and spoke as an old wrestling fan and Rock just went into angry catch-phrase mode. How that furthered the feud is beyond me. Cena did all the work last night; as much as I hate to say that. Rock just threw water on himself a lot, paced around like a maniac, and invited us all to his new facebook group "Team Bring It".

Yes...Rock completely and utterly owned Cena week after week after week...and Cena finally got one over on him...and it was devastating...and he followed it by leaving him laying.

You would have preferred an angle where The Rock made Cena look stupid every week and Cena just took it like a moron and then Rock leaves so Cena can somehow try to regain his heat by feuding with guys he's already beaten???

This is how wrestling is...Cena now has all the heat leading to the PPV...and you have to pay to see if Rock gets his revenge. This is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination.

[LOBO3315a]

http://cdn.heymanhustle.craveonline.com/images/kmhb11.jpg

What the hell is wrong with HHH
He's thinking how good she'd look with a sledgehammer to her head....

[Marx]

http://cdn.heymanhustle.craveonline.com/images/kmhb11.jpg

What the hell is wrong with HHH

He's resisting the urge to break out the shovel since she is getting more media coverage.

:lmao:

[The Sage]

- Trish Stratus is featured in a new interview with Diva-Dirt.com where she talks about WrestleMania 27, Tough Enough and more. Regarding working with Layla and Michelle McCool, she said:

"The opportunity came up to work with LayCool, which I’m so excited about. I mean they’ve done such great work, people love to hate them. As a fan, I’ve sat back and I’ve watched, especially Layla , watched them grow into great workers. They’ve put in the work to develop their characters."

- In regards to the WWE article on Abdullah the Butcher's Hall of Fame induction that was changed to say he never had dream matches with Hulk Hogan or Bret Hart, Abdullah did wrestle both men - Hogan in New Japan and Hart in Stampede Wrestling.

- In WWE's new DX DVD that comes out a few days after WrestleMania, there is a segment where Triple H and Shawn Michaels make fun of each other for losing to The Undertaker. Triple H noted that Taker always beat Shawn and when Shawn responded that Taker beat Triple H too, Triple H acted as if it's something he's tried to forget. While they don't mention WrestleMania in the conversation, the impression given is that they were talking about the match at WrestleMania 27, not their previous match.

Partial source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- Steve Austin spoke with ESPN.com this week to promote the release of WWE All Stars. Here are some highlights:

So how perfect of a feud would "Stone Cold" versus CM Punk have been if you were still wrestling?

When you have a storyline like that, and the way CM cuts his promos, I think it would damn sure be entertaining and fans would latch onto it. He's done well in WWE, and I think he's got bigger fish to fry and bigger things to do in that company. I look for big things from him. And damn right, that would be a good program. I would love to be a part of that.

Wrestlemania is coming up this Sunday and you're refereeing the match between Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler. How did it feel the other night to dump all that beer over Cole's head?

Damn, that was fun. [laughs] Michael Cole has done a tremendous job playing the role of the heel announcer. He has that cocky swagger about him, and he's crossed that line to where now you're seeing the true Michael Cole. He's a good guy, but he's really turning it on. I've been really proud of what he's done from a work standpoint. Then you have Jerry Lawler, who is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. If you never saw him work in his prime or never saw some of his work in the Mid South, then you really missed out. He's a great talker, a great worker in the ring, and there's no better person to be in this match with Cole than Lawler. Then you have me as the referee and Jack Swagger roaming ringside and I think anything can happen that night.

When you're pouring beer on Michael Cole and the crowd is going crazy and people start to chant: "One more match," do you ever get the itch to come back for maybe one more main event?

I'll tell you what, sometimes you do, but it's just like an itch that you scratch and it goes away. We had that ring at Tough Enough, and it's the same WWE ring they use every week, and I got the chance to bounce around and take some bumps from one of the kids in the contest and gave him a few bumps. Could I still do it? Damn right I could. It may not be quite as good as I used to, but I got it out of my system. I hope people enjoy Tough Enough because I had so much fun doing it, but that's about as close as I want to be to a business that I love.

The other big storyline in WWE right now is the return of The Rock. What did you think of him getting physical with Miz and Cena on Monday night?

I thought it was great entertainment. It's good for Rock, it's good for John, it's good for Miz, and it's good for the fans. Everybody is winning all the way around. He got out of the business and went on to do what he's done and I'm proud of how successful he has become. But now that he's back, it's a win-win for everybody, but especially the fans. Whether you love him or you hate him, depending on what your opinion of Cena is, he's definitely made an impact and it will be interesting to see how this thing plays out.

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[BlackLantern]

- I'm going to try and soften my stance on the Miz just a hair, I wasn't a fan of John Morrison at the start either and it usually takes one really good feud to get me behind them....soooo maybe that might happen this year...Ziggler can still die in a fire

- I was on the Rocks side till he started on that "Team Bring It" crap......hey Rock....the Twilight franchise called, they want their "viral marketing" back

[bullets]

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Look at this beautiful artist



I finally got my copy of Jericho's book UNDISPUTED... It's a must read , just so funny and honest ..

[bullets]

- I was on the Rocks side till he started on that "Team Bring It" crap......hey Rock....the Twilight franchise called, they want their "viral marketing" back

Rock's been in Hollywood way too long.

[spidey-dude]

team bring it is oooooold though it predates twilight by a good 5 years at least

[The Sage]

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I finally got my copy of Jericho's book UNDISPUTED... It's a must read , just so funny and honest ..

Still reading A Lion's Tale. But this is next. :woot:

[Pink Ranger]

team bring it is oooooold though it predates twilight by a good 5 years at least

I hate it. I was a member of Team Know Your Role.

[BlackLantern]

team bring it is oooooold though it predates twilight by a good 5 years at least

I do remember his old white Team Bring It shirts....but still...to drag it back out and use it to pimp your facebook page some more

bad form

[bullets]

team bring it is oooooold though it predates twilight by a good 5 years at least


Really?! Completely forgot about it for some reason.

Still reading A Lion's Tale. But this is next. :woot:

I've found myself looking at the matches he mentions in his book so much I'm basically starting to create a playlist for it.

[Slushy]

My favorite Top 10 WM matches:

Hulk Hogan Vs. The Ultimate Warrior - WM 6

Ric Flair Vs. Randy Savage - WM 8

Bret Hart Vs. Shawn Michaels - WM 12

Stone Cold Vs. The Rock - WM 17

Hollywood Hogan Vs. The Rock - WM 18

Kurt Angle Vs. Eddie Guerrero - WM 20

Kurt Angle Vs. Shawn Michaels - WM 21

John Cena Vs. Triple H - WM 22

Batista Vs. The Undertaker - WM 23

Shawn Michaels Vs. The Undertaker - WM 25

What's yours?

[Darkness Falls]

My favorite Top 10 WM matches:

Shawn Micheals vs Bret Hart - wwe championship iron man match wm12
Rock vs Austin II - No Dq wwe championship match wm17
Kurt angle vs Shawn Michaels - wm21
Edge Vs Undertaker wm24
Taker vs Triple h Wm17
Austin Vs Bret hart (submission match) wm13
Jericho Vs Shawn wm19
Rock vs Hogan wm18
randy savage vs ricky the dragon steamboat (wm3)
Shawn vs Razor ramon (wm10) ladder match

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes...Rock completely and utterly owned Cena week after week after week...and Cena finally got one over on him...and it was devastating...and he followed it by leaving him laying.

You would have preferred an angle where The Rock made Cena look stupid every week and Cena just took it like a moron and then Rock leaves so Cena can somehow try to regain his heat by feuding with guys he's already beaten???

This is how wrestling is...Cena now has all the heat leading to the PPV...and you have to pay to see if Rock gets his revenge. This is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination.

I wouldn't have changed a thing about the feud except Rock's response to Cena. They've gone back and forth insulting each other for weeks but this was the time to get serious. The ending made sense for the RAW before WM, b/c now we're all waiting to see how the Rock gets Cena back. That, I get. What I don't understand is how the Rock could hear everything Cena said(out of character) and respond with "blah blah whoop your monkey ass blah blah"? That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises. There's a time and a place for catch-phrases and gimmicks.

Also, I'm surprised Cena never called the Rock out on his hypocrisy about calling Cena a kid-attraction. Tooth Fairy, Witch Mountain, etc....

[NDX]

Top 10 WM matches, huh? In no particular order:

Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle (21)
Hulk Hogan vs Rock (18)
Hulk Hogan vs Vince McMahon (19)
Randy Savage vs Ric Flair (8)
Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (7)
Hulk Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior (6)
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart (10)
Edge vs Mick Foley (22)
Bret Hart vs Steve Austin (13)
Shawn Michaels vs Triple H vs Chris Benoit (20)

If it was a top 15:

Rock vs Steve Austin (19, seriously)
Edge Vs Undertaker (24)
Jericho Vs Shawn (19)
Rrandy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat (3)
Shawn vs Razor Ramon Ladder Match (10)

[bullets]

My favorite Top 10 WM matches:
What's yours?



Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan WM6
Owen Hart vs Bret Hart WM10
Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart WM12
Bret Hart vs Stone Cold WM13
Stone Cold vs Shawn Michaels WM 14
Stone Cold vs The Rock WM 17
Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle WM 19
Chris Benoit vs Shawn Michaels vs Triple H WM20
Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM21
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels WM25

Honorable mentions : Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels WM19 & TLC WM16

[Spider-ManHero12]

Stone COld Steve Austin vs. The Rock - WM 15
Stone Cold STeve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels WM 14
Stone Cold Steve AUstin vs. The Rock - WM 17
Stone COld Stve Austin vs. The Rock - WM 19
Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock WM 18
Stone Cold vs Bret Hart WM 13
Undertaker vs. Kane WM 14 (personal reasons. It was just fantastic, IMO)
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels WM 25
TLC WM 16 (This solidified Jeff Hardy as one of the all time best of the hardcore wrestlers, IMO)
Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart WM 12

Some of my other favorites not listed:

Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels WM 26
Undertaker vs. Triple H WM 17
Undertaker vs. Diesel WM 12
Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels (this was quite emotional, IMO. 2 of the best in the buisness.)
Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar WM 19

[The Sage]

I wouldn't have changed a thing about the feud except Rock's response to Cena. They've gone back and forth insulting each other for weeks but this was the time to get serious. The ending made sense for the RAW before WM, b/c now we're all waiting to see how the Rock gets Cena back. That, I get. What I don't understand is how the Rock could hear everything Cena said(out of character) and respond with "blah blah whoop your monkey ass blah blah"? That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises. There's a time and a place for catch-phrases and gimmicks.

Also, I'm surprised Cena never called the Rock out on his hypocrisy about calling Cena a kid-attraction. Tooth Fairy, Witch Mountain, etc....

Oh man, I was soooo waiting for Cena to call him out on that. I wonder if that's why the Rock didn't respond to Cena's questions. :doh:

[spidey-dude]

Really?! Completely forgot about it for some reason.

.

ye he started it when he came back during the invasion

had a white tshirt with team bring it on and the brahma bull

[venom892]

Wrestlmania matches in no order

Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart WM12
Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker WM26
Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho WM19
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart WM13
Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Ricky The Dragon Stemboat WM3
Hollywood Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock WM18
Macho Man Randy Savage vs Nature Boy Ric Flair
Macho Man Randy Savage vs Hulk Hogan WM5
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock WM17
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart WM10

[The Chris]

Oh man, I was soooo waiting for Cena to call him out on that. I wonder if that's why the Rock didn't respond to Cena's questions. :doh:

Cena's already rapped about those things. I think Rock's statements are a response to Cena's hypocrisy on that. You diss me for making those movies yet you look like a child's toy.

[SpideyVille]

My WM List

Hulk Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior - WM VI
Bret Hart vs Roddy Piper - WM VIII
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart - WMX
Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon - WMX
Bret Hart vs Yokozuna - WMX
Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels - WM12
Stone Cold vs Shawn Michaels - WM14
Stone Cold vs The Rock - WM 15
Hardy Boyz vs Dudley Boyz vs Edge and Christian - WM2000
Triple H vs Chris Jericho - WMX8
Chris Benoit vs Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WM XX

I'd more from more recent Wrestlemanias, but I stopped watching WWE for a while and haven't seen a WM in years, but from what I've heard, the HBK vs Undertaker matches should get honorable mentions.

[SuperFerret]

That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises.

Funny thing is, during his entrance, it looked like HBK was trying to get HHH and Taker to laugh, especially how he came in dancing, stopped for a second as if he was done and then started up again.

[Metallo]

My favorite Top 10 WM matches:



What's yours?

Let me say its really difficult to narrow it down to ten

Top 10, in no ranking order:

Savage vs Steamboat WM3
Hogan vs Savage WM5
Hogan vs Warrior WM6
Hart vs Michaels WM12
Hart vs Austin WM13
Rock vs Austin WM17
Rock vs Hogan WM18
HHH vs Michaels vs Benoit WM20
Michaels vs Angle WM21
Undertaker vs Michaels WM26


11-20, again in no order:

Hogan vs Andre The Giant WM3
Undertaker vs Batista WM23
Cena vs Michaels WM23
Flair vs Savage WM8
Undertaker vs Flair WM18
Hart vs Hart WM10
Michaels vs Ramon WM10
Michaels vs Austin WM14
Guerrero vs Angle WM20
Michaels vs Flair WM24


21-26:

Hogan vs McMahon WM19
Angle vs Benoit WM17
E&C vs The Dudleys vs The Hardyz WM16
Michaels vs Jericho WM19
Hart vs Piper WM8
Savage vs DiBiase WM4

[Heretic]

I wouldn't have changed a thing about the feud except Rock's response to Cena. They've gone back and forth insulting each other for weeks but this was the time to get serious. The ending made sense for the RAW before WM, b/c now we're all waiting to see how the Rock gets Cena back. That, I get. What I don't understand is how the Rock could hear everything Cena said(out of character) and respond with "blah blah whoop your monkey ass blah blah"? That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises. There's a time and a place for catch-phrases and gimmicks.

Also, I'm surprised Cena never called the Rock out on his hypocrisy about calling Cena a kid-attraction. Tooth Fairy, Witch Mountain, etc....

I admit that I only became a WWE fan when WCW left me no choice but to watch...but to my memory...when it's time to get serious...The Rock talks about Smackdown Hotel and turning things sideways...he's just a catchphrase spouting machine. That was why, despite his charisma, I didn't enjoy watching him on tv every single week.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It was in no way "ruined".

The Rock has been destroying Cena for a month with very accurate criticisms that we as a wrestling community have used ourselves.

Cena shot back, answering those criticisms and really...making those of us who mock him for catering to kids etc look pretty stupid...it was a VERY strong promo.

Just as The Rock has been owning Cena...this time Cena owned The Rock...and really, there isn't much The Rock could have said.

What I like is that you start the segment agreeing with The Rock...then start agreeing with Cena and realizing that there isn't anything wrong with what he does...and then you side with The Rock again because Cena attacked him from behind. It was actually a lot better then people are giving it credit for.

I agree with this 100%. Just when cena is starting to piss me off (like he was with the beginning of his promo) he pulls out a promo like that and wins me over again. I will not be booing cena at wrestlemania.

[Nemi]

I admit that I only became a WWE fan when WCW left me no choice but to watch...but to my memory...when it's time to get serious...The Rock talks about Smackdown Hotel and turning things sideways...he's just a catchphrase spouting machine. That was why, despite his charisma, I didn't enjoy watching him on tv every single week.

This....and the fact that Cena took away all his ammunition. It was either use his catchphrases or address the fact that maybe.....maybe he doesn't love this business as much as he says he does. Cena is proud to be who he is while The Rock doesn't want to be referred to as The Rock.

[The Sage]

Cena's already rapped about those things. I think Rock's statements are a response to Cena's hypocrisy on that. You diss me for making those movies yet you look like a child's toy.

See, now I have to go back and remember who said it first. :funny:

My WM List

Hulk Hogan vs The Ultimate Warrior - WM VI
Bret Hart vs Roddy Piper - WM VIII
Bret Hart vs Owen Hart - WMX
Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon - WMX
Bret Hart vs Yokozuna - WMX
Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels - WM12
Stone Cold vs Shawn Michaels - WM14
Stone Cold vs The Rock - WM 15
Hardy Boyz vs Dudley Boyz vs Edge and Christian - WM2000
Triple H vs Chris Jericho - WMX8
Chris Benoit vs Triple H vs Shawn Michaels - WM XX

I'd more from more recent Wrestlemanias, but I stopped watching WWE for a while and haven't seen a WM in years, but from what I've heard, the HBK vs Undertaker matches should get honorable mentions.

Not just Taker vs Michaels....:)

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels - WMXXI
Edge vs Foley - WMXXII
Undertaker vs Batista - WMXXIII
Undertaker vs Edge - WMXXIV
Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair - WMXXIV

[AntMan]

Will someone post a pic of Zack Ryder in the Amy Adams is Lois Lane thread? Some guy said Zack Ryder will make sure Amy has black hair lol. I don't know if I can on PS3.

[E-Man]

I wouldn't have changed a thing about the feud except Rock's response to Cena. They've gone back and forth insulting each other for weeks but this was the time to get serious. The ending made sense for the RAW before WM, b/c now we're all waiting to see how the Rock gets Cena back. That, I get. What I don't understand is how the Rock could hear everything Cena said(out of character) and respond with "blah blah whoop your monkey ass blah blah"? That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises. There's a time and a place for catch-phrases and gimmicks.

Also, I'm surprised Cena never called the Rock out on his hypocrisy about calling Cena a kid-attraction. Tooth Fairy, Witch Mountain, etc....

Well the thing that got me was that Cena basically just said, "Stop making fun of me! I don't like it. I work hard man, those words be hurting." His promo felt real because he does take a lot of crap when he works hard, but the problem is that people want to be entertained too. There are a ton of hard working people in addition to Cena, so it's not like people are hating him for that. People hate him because his gimmick and promos suck. There's a reason kids are the only ones who like that ****.

Had Rock verbally owned Cena after that like he does to everyone Cena probably would have called him a bully. I wish they let Cena play around with their confrontation more because he can be entertaining if they took the reigns off him a bit. I have a feeling that Cena is going to go over not only the Miz but The Rock just because they've booked him so strong for so long that they're not even thinking of using his fame to elevate anyone else. That's not cool...*bites apple*

[Hunter Rider]

- I'm going to try and soften my stance on the Miz just a hair, I wasn't a fan of John Morrison at the start either and it usually takes one really good feud to get me behind them....soooo maybe that might happen this year...Ziggler can still die in a fire

:facepalm:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205808_10150160980951443_7175346442_7185036_732053 6_n.jpg

Look at this beautiful artist

:hrt:

I wouldn't have changed a thing about the feud except Rock's response to Cena. They've gone back and forth insulting each other for weeks but this was the time to get serious. The ending made sense for the RAW before WM, b/c now we're all waiting to see how the Rock gets Cena back. That, I get. What I don't understand is how the Rock could hear everything Cena said(out of character) and respond with "blah blah whoop your monkey ass blah blah"? That would have been like HHH and HBK interrupting Taker's promo in the ring by making fart noises. There's a time and a place for catch-phrases and gimmicks.

Agreed fully, I know The Rock has never had much substance to his promos but I don't believe it's because he can't do it, he's way too talented of a showman to be that limited, and I wanted to see him cut past the pissing contest and get real in response to Cena, rather than just threatening him.

I admit that I only became a WWE fan when WCW left me no choice but to watch...but to my memory...when it's time to get serious...The Rock talks about Smackdown Hotel and turning things sideways...he's just a catchphrase spouting machine. That was why, despite his charisma, I didn't enjoy watching him on tv every single week.

That was always why I was never a huge fan beyond his first heel run.

[Ajendo]

Cena was harping on about how the Rock said he has a problem with the way he talks and that he's not the right color. When did the Rock say any of this???

[Hunter Rider]

My favorite Top 10 WM matches:

Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat (WM:III)
Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (WM:V)
Bret Hart vs Rowdy Roddy Piper (WM:VIII)
Ric Flair vs Randy Savage (WM:VIII)
Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon - IC title Ladder match (WM:X)
Bret Hart vs 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin - Submission match (WM:13)
Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle (WM:21)
Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair (WM:XXIV)
Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (WM: XXV)
Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (WM: XXVI)

[Metallo]

Cena was harping on about how the Rock said he has a problem with the way he talks and that he's not the right color. When did the Rock say any of this???

A few weeks ago during a taped segment on Raw when the Rock made fun of Cena responding with rap instead of responding seriously "like a man." Before that Rock made fun of Cenas bright colored shirts during his return promo on Raw.



Agreed fully, I know The Rock has never had much substance to his promos but I don't believe it's because he can't do it, he's way too talented of a showman to be that limited, and I wanted to see him cut past the pissing contest and get real in response to Cena, rather than just threatening him.

Ditto. I though the Rock did well Monday but if he had come back with something more it could have thrown even more gas on the fire for Wrestlemania. I just think of that sit down interview between Rock and Austin before WM17. I wanted more of that between Rock and Cena. Rock CAN do it. We know he can.

That was always why I was never a huge fan beyond his first heel run.

Yeah i always thought Michaels was an overall more well rounded promo guy because he could be funny, he could be intense, and he could be heartfelt. Rock is very entertaining but he usually only sticks to one direction.

[Hunter Rider]

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9128/387872373tduid1886kait0.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/387872373tduid1886kait0.jpg/)

[Ajendo]

A few weeks ago during a taped segment on Raw when the Rock made fun of Cena responding with rap instead of responding seriously "like a man." Before that Rock made fun of Cenas bright colored shirts during his return promo on Raw.

That's not the Rock having objection with cena's color or the way he talks.

I thought Rock had made some racist comment. SO cena's upset because Rock made fun of his rap gimmick and his fruity pebble jerseys??? Jeeeez, its no wonder Rock didnt even justify a response to those absurd comments and instead simply said he'd just kick cena's ass.

[Pink Ranger]

Ditto. I though the Rock did well Monday but if he had come back with something more it could have thrown even more gas on the fire for Wrestlemania. I just think of that sit down interview between Rock and Austin before WM17. I wanted more of that between Rock and Cena. Rock CAN do it. We know he can.


There is only so much gravitas you can bring to bear when you talk about yourself in 3rd person.

[Hunter Rider]

Ditto. I though the Rock did well Monday but if he had come back with something more it could have thrown even more gas on the fire for Wrestlemania. I just think of that sit down interview between Rock and Austin before WM17. I wanted more of that between Rock and Cena. Rock CAN do it. We know he can.

That is exactly what I was thinking of, I wanted to see that side of The Rock come out in this war of words with Cena, for both to move past the dissing and get real.

Yeah i always thought Michaels was an overall more well rounded promo guy because he could be funny, he could be intense, and he could be heartfelt. Rock is very entertaining but he usually only sticks to one direction.


Agreed, because of his other talents and charisma I think Shawn's mic work is sometimes undervalued.

[Metallo]

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9128/387872373tduid1886kait0.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/387872373tduid1886kait0.jpg/)

:hrt::hrt::hrt:

If she ever got the chance to improve as a wrestler instead of being possibly held back by "certain" divas (who didn't pay dues themselves) claiming she needs to "pay her dues" Kaitlyn could be a new star in the Diva's division. She's got a great look, she's got a lot of personalty, and she's pretty athletic.



That's not the Rock having objection with cena's color or the way he talks.

I thought Rock had made some racist comment. SO cena's upset because Rock made fun of his rap gimmick and his fruity pebble jerseys??? Jeeeez, its no wonder Rock didnt even justify a response to those absurd comments and instead simply said he'd just kick cena's ass.

There were no kinds of obviously racist comments. The stuff about the rap and Cenas style were the comments Cena was referring to when he was talking about the Rock criticizing the way he talks and his color. Now whether or not people want to see a deeper meaning or allusions to something else there is another matter. Things like that CAN have double meanings But I don't really know if thats was true in this case.



That is exactly what I was thinking of, I wanted to see that side of The Rock come out in this war of words with Cena, for both to move past the dissing and get real.

Hopefully we'll see that if this progresses to a full on one on one feud that leads to a match between Rock and Cena.


There is only so much gravitas you can bring to bear when you talk about yourself in 3rd person.

Indeed...
http://www.conmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Grimlock-1.jpg

[Heretic]

What? No "INDEED" love for Kaientai?

[Marx]

My 'Top 10' Wrestlemania matches...

Ricky Steamboat vs. Randy Savage (Wrestlemania 3)
Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (Wrestlemania 5)
Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania 6)
Randy Savage vs. Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania 7)
Jake 'The Snake' Roberts vs. The Undertaker (Wrestlemania 10)
Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 12)
Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart (Wrestlemania 13)
Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock (Wrestlemania 18)
Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (Wrestlemania 25)
Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker (Wrestlemania 26)

[The Sage]

That's not the Rock having objection with cena's color or the way he talks.

I thought Rock had made some racist comment. SO cena's upset because Rock made fun of his rap gimmick and his fruity pebble jerseys??? Jeeeez, its no wonder Rock didnt even justify a response to those absurd comments and instead simply said he'd just kick cena's ass.

It felt more like Rock couldn't give a reason behind why he hated Cena rapping or his bright shirts other than just because.

[Hunter Rider]

Is there no SD this week?

[Team Andino]

Is there no SD this week?
There is, they taped like 2-3 matchs after Raw on Monday for Smackdown this week. Every year for awhile now Smackdown usually is a bunch of hype videos with a quick squash here and there.

[Hotwire]

Check this out! From Metallica's Facebook page!
Triple H will be using one of your favorite 'Tallica songs during his match against The Undertaker this weekend at WrestleMania XXVII.

[Hunter Rider]

There is, they taped like 2-3 matchs after Raw on Monday for Smackdown this week. Every year for awhile now Smackdown usually is a bunch of hype videos with a quick squash here and there.

Thanks, I mustn't have been really paying attention the last couple of years, it must also be why I can't find it anywhere.

Check this out! From Metallica's Facebook page!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BRbM52gpc

[Mr.Webs]

Just finished Jericho's book Undisputed, and damn was it good. Awesome, quick read. Read it in about a day, some great stuff in there. It sort of jump started me back into my love for wrestling, 'cuz I've started watching the bountiful amount of wrasslin' DVDs that have been piling up in my room. Good times.:cool:

[venom892]

I wonder which one?Should be interesting.I was thinking about the HOF and who should and shouldn't be in.So if you could add 10 people to the hall of fame and take 10 out who would they be?

In
1."Macho Man" Randy Savage
2.Miss Elizabeth
3.Jake "The Snake" Roberts
4.British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith
5.Vader
6.Yokozuna
7.Owen Hart
8."Ravishing" Rick Rude
9.Arn Anderson
10.Bob Backlund

*Didn't put Sammatino in because he doesn't want or Rock or Sting since they seem to be shoe ins.

out
1.Drew Carey
2.Pete Rose
3.William "Refrigerator" Perry
4.Johnny Rodz
5.James Dudley
6.Bob Uecker
7.Sunny

Can't think of any others

[BlackLantern]

so you wouldn't put in Bruno Sammartino because he doesn't want other guys he had nothing to do with there??

[venom892]

Sammatino no doubt deserves to be in the hall of fame in my opinion. But he doesn't want so I didn't put him on the list.

[bullets]

Just finished Jericho's book Undisputed, and damn was it good. Awesome, quick read. Read it in about a day, some great stuff in there. It sort of jump started me back into my love for wrestling, 'cuz I've started watching the bountiful amount of wrasslin' DVDs that have been piling up in my room. Good times.:cool:

I'm in the middle(mainly from you tubing some of the matches)of it but flying through . I want to watch that Fozzy documentary now.

I wonder which one?Should be interesting.I was thinking about the HOF and who should and shouldn't be in.So if you could add 10 people to the hall of fame and take 10 out who would they be?


I would say anyone on that list and Mr. T would also be cool to see in there.

I can't say I'd take anyone's HOF ring away but Drew Carey wouldn't have entered my mind. Also you got to think some of these people turn it down. Bruno Sammartino doesn't even want to be in the HOF from what I've read . Also I think Warrior turned it down also . Then there's availability and such



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BRbM52gpc

:awesome:

[Hotwire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BRbM52gpc
Is that just the song you would want, or do you know something?

[Metallo]

I wonder which one?Should be interesting.I was thinking about the HOF and who should and shouldn't be in.So if you could add 10 people to the hall of fame and take 10 out who would they be?

In
1."Macho Man" Randy Savage
2.Miss Elizabeth
3.Jake "The Snake" Roberts
4.British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith
5.Vader
6.Yokozuna
7.Owen Hart
8."Ravishing" Rick Rude
9.Arn Anderson
10.Bob Backlund

*Didn't put Sammatino in because he doesn't want or Rock or Sting since they seem to be shoe ins.

out
1.Drew Carey
2.Pete Rose
3.William "Refrigerator" Perry
4.Johnny Rodz
5.James Dudley
6.Bob Uecker
7.Sunny

Can't think of any others

Your list is about the same as mine. Bruno definitely deserves to go in but its his choice right now. Backlund was offered a spot but at the time he felt he had more to do before he retired for good and turned it down.

I'm not against celeb inductions I just feel like they should be for the ones who contributed to the WWE. Lauper should go in in a heartbeat if she wants to. So should Mr T. I think Uecker deserves to go in because he worked on 2 Wrestlemanias and was entertaining.

I'm on the fence on Pete Rose. The biggest reason he went in was just to make an OBVIOUS joke to anyone who knows anything about him and baseball. But then again he did make three memorable appearances at Wrestlemania. I don't mind him in the WWE HOF but I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in either.

Johnny Rodz was good at what he did but if jobbers are going in he shouldn't be the only one. There should be some kind of standard of excellence. Tough to figure out what since wrestling is a work but the guys who were special usually went on to become more than jobbers and the special ones should be in the HOF.

I wasn't a big fan of The Fridge going in but even he was a better pick than Carey.


Sunny in the HOF wouldn't be so bad except she's going in before a few more deserving people. Plus even though she was talented she wasn't THAT talented. She wasn't even a wrestler. Sunny's going in because she was a sex symbol. Besides that I think a lot more women were superior performers in the ring and on the mic. As a character Sherri Martel smoked Sunny. So did Luna. Sunny just had the looks.

Its not like she accomplished a whole lot or had a ton of memorable moments. Even as a manager just how successful were her teams? She managed tag team champions but its not like she had the success of Bobby Heenan or JJ Dillon or even Paul Ellering.

As a sex symbol Sunny was massively eclipsed by Sable. If I'd argue for anyone as the first TRUE modern Diva it would be Sable since she was attractive and could talk and wrestled (not well but she wrestled). And I don't even like Sable that much.

[bullets]

Sting Discusses Turning Down WWE's Offer for WrestleMania, Lesnar Speaks

Posted by Marc Middleton on 04/01/2011
- The Daily Star in the UK talked to TNA Champion Sting and UFC star Brock Lesnar about turning down offers from WWE to appear at WrestleMania 27. Here are their quotes:

Sting:
“I wouldn’t say it was utter nonsense, that’s not true! It’s a dream match that fans would want to see. It was close. I’m glad things turned out the way they did. There are so many variables. Let’s just say that I turned it down for the same reasons I always have. Some- thing in me never trusted what would happen up there, based entirely on the track record with other WCW guys and everything that went on after Vince bought WCW. I wont be watching but I’ll be asking what happened between Undertaker and Triple H."

Lesnar:
"They were smart enough to know that I am deeply involved in UFC, what I am doing now. Wrestling doesn’t affect my life so much. I’m a fighter. The WWE will go on, and it will always be there, but I am in the UFC for as far as I can see. If ever there was an opportunity in the future to be on Wrestlemania, then I guess I have to say: ‘Never say never.’"



Sting could be right but I'm not so sure.

[venom892]

I mean Sting got to work a match with a drugged up Hardy.Of course he made the right decision.Also so much memories in the first pic of this journal.;)
http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/wrestlemaniaxxvii/diary/photos-two#

[Dr. Evil]

Your list is about the same as mine. Bruno definitely deserves to go in but its his choice right now. Backlund was offered a spot but at the time he felt he had more to do before he retired for good and turned it down.

I'm not against celeb inductions I just feel like they should be for the ones who contributed to the WWE. Lauper should go in in a heartbeat if she wants to. So should Mr T. I think Uecker deserves to go in because he worked on 2 Wrestlemanias and was entertaining.

I'm on the fence on Pete Rose. The biggest reason he went in was just to make an OBVIOUS joke to anyone who knows anything about him and baseball. But then again he did make three memorable appearances at Wrestlemania. I don't mind him in the WWE HOF but I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in either.

Sunny in the HOF wouldn't be so bad except she's going in before a few more deserving people. Plus even though she was talented she wasn't THAT talented. She wasn't even a wrestler. Sunny's going in because she was a sex symbol. Besides that I think a lot more women were superior performers in the ring and on the mic. As a character Sherri Martel smoked Sunny. So did Luna. Sunny just had the looks.

Its not like she accomplished a whole lot or had a ton of memorable moments. Even as a manager just how successful were her teams? She managed tag team champions but its not like she had the success of Bobby Heenan or JJ Dillon or even Paul Ellering.

As a sex symbol Sunny was massively eclipsed by Sable. If I'd argue for anyone as the first TRUE modern Diva it would be Sable since she was attractive and could talk and wrestled (not well but she wrestled). And I don't even like Sable that much.

If she wants to.....if she does now, its too bad that Captain Lou would not be the one to induct her. Shame really. I don't know who would induct her if she wanted to go in....probably Roddy Piper since he appeared in the Goonies music video she did (along with Captain Lou, Freddie Blassie, Nikolai Volkoff and a few others).

It would be interesting to see who would induct Mr. T if that time came. Normally it would be Hulk Hogan, but he's not on good terms with the WWE as of this moment. I don't think it would be Piper but who knows. Sly Stallone would be perfect, but I don't know what the current relationship is between Sly and Mr. T. I doubt that Sly and Mr. T are friends anymore.

[Metallo]

Sting Discusses Turning Down WWE's Offer for WrestleMania, Lesnar Speaks

Posted by Marc Middleton on 04/01/2011
- The Daily Star in the UK talked to TNA Champion Sting and UFC star Brock Lesnar about turning down offers from WWE to appear at WrestleMania 27. Here are their quotes:

Sting:
“I wouldn’t say it was utter nonsense, that’s not true! It’s a dream match that fans would want to see. It was close. I’m glad things turned out the way they did. There are so many variables. Let’s just say that I turned it down for the same reasons I always have. Some- thing in me never trusted what would happen up there, based entirely on the track record with other WCW guys and everything that went on after Vince bought WCW. I wont be watching but I’ll be asking what happened between Undertaker and Triple H."

Lesnar:
"They were smart enough to know that I am deeply involved in UFC, what I am doing now. Wrestling doesn’t affect my life so much. I’m a fighter. The WWE will go on, and it will always be there, but I am in the UFC for as far as I can see. If ever there was an opportunity in the future to be on Wrestlemania, then I guess I have to say: ‘Never say never.’"



Sting could be right but I'm not so sure.


I don't think Sting would have been misused early on but I can understand his hesitation. I would have liked to have seen him in WWE but the more I think about it the more a debut like his needed more time to be properly hyped before and after. They've barely had enough time to do much for HHH vs Taker and HHH is already an ESTABLISHED WWE star. With Sting I'm not sure a month of build time would have been enough for dream match like Sting vs Taker.

If he was coming in for just one match I just feel like it was a mistake to have him come in and lose his first match to Taker...not because losing to Taker would have hurt him but I think he needed more than that to look strong for the Taker match and anything he might do after.

Plus we have no idea what held up the deal. Vince probably could have made it happen if he wanted to. He should have just given Sting anything he wanted with limited dates. If he didn't offer him that I can see why it didn't happen.


Lesners decision makes perfect sense. he's still young and WWE will always be there. His window of time as a MMA fighter is much smaller than it is as a pro wrestler.

Once he's done with MMA Vince will probably still be there to offer him some kind of deal.



If she wants to.....if she does now, its too bad that Captain Lou would not be the one to induct her. Shame really. I don't know who would induct her if she wanted to go in....probably Roddy Piper since he appeared in the Goonies music video she did (along with Captain Lou, Freddie Blassie, Nikolai Volkoff and a few others).

It would be interesting to see who would induct Mr. T if that time came. Normally it would be Hulk Hogan, but he's not on good terms with the WWE as of this moment. I don't think it would be Piper but who knows. Sly Stallone would be perfect, but I don't know what the current relationship is between Sly and Mr. T. I doubt that Sly and Mr. T are friends anymore.

Piper or Wendi Richter could induct Lauper.

T presents a tougher challenge. Hogan would be the obvious choice but like you said he's not in WWE. Piper would be next but if he despises Mr T as much as he claims that would be...interesting.

Paul Orndorff or Bob Orton could induct T if they really needed someone since they were involved in the main event with T at Wrestlemania I.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Check this out! From Metallica's Facebook page! Metallica = one of my favorite bands. This is good news.

[Dr. Evil]

Piper or Wendi Richter could induct Lauper.

T presents a tougher challenge. Hogan would be the obvious choice but like you said he's not in WWE. Piper would be next but if he despises Mr T as much as he claims that would be...interesting.

Paul Orndorff or Bob Orton could induct T if they really needed someone since they were involved in the main event with T at Wrestlemania I.

With Wendi Richter on good terms with the WWE now, I could see her inducting Lauper when that time comes.

Isn't Orndorff having health issues? Or did I not read that right?

[BlackLantern]

I think Stings concerns are valid....but outside of Ric Flair, there really wasn't any WCW guy that was the level of Sting that went to WWE

[BlackLantern]

so watched bits and pieces of Impact

- British Invasion coming back? yay

- EY and Orlando Jordan...in a tag team wearing shirts that say I (heart) Tag Teaming

- what the hell happened to Rob Terry??

- so when Generation Me shows up, they espouse tag team wrestling and that's what they want to do and barely 6 months later they are fighting? huh?

- this whole Velvet/Winter/Angelina thing is getting a bit ridiculous

- I miss Hernandez

[venom892]

Flair was treated great in 91/92.Even Lex Luger was pushed to the moon but the fans just weren't into it. Sting could have a Taker schedule.

[Metallo]

I think Stings concerns are valid....but outside of Ric Flair, there really wasn't any WCW guy that was the level of Sting that went to WWE

Goldberg wasn't the talent Flair was or the workhorse Sting was but he was a "short term" star on their level. His fall in WCW had more to do with WCW's mismanagement and secondarily with his lack of deep talent.

As for his run in WWE fault can be laid at both his feet WWE's as to why it didn't work out better.

But it wasn't just the stars but WWE's treatment of WCW in general. Even if WWE didn't have the big stars for the Invasion did they REALLY have to make that whole thing another McMahon family squabble? Stephanie being the leader of ECW was just absurd. And even after that WCW was kind of treated like the bastard stepchild at times.


Flair was treated great in 91/92.Even Lex Luger was pushed to the moon but the fans just weren't into it. Sting could have a Taker schedule.

I think Flair was treated very well...but I always felt some things could have been done better. The only reason I think Flair got as much as he did was because of his sheer talent and his similarity to Vince's boyhood wrestling hero.

Luger got pushed...but it was a collosal f*** up. Its not just about the push but the RIGHT kind of push. That American Made Lex Express bullsh** was terrible for him in the long run. The slam on the Intrepid was cool but Luger isn't that kind of character. Its like Vince saw his blond hair and muscles and just lost any semblance creative shrewdness.

If a character fit Luger it was his Narcissist gimmick. That was Lex Luger to the core.


so watched bits and pieces of Impact

- British Invasion coming back? yay

- EY and Orlando Jordan...in a tag team wearing shirts that say I (heart) Tag Teaming

- what the hell happened to Rob Terry??

- so when Generation Me shows up, they espouse tag team wrestling and that's what they want to do and barely 6 months later they are fighting? huh?

- this whole Velvet/Winter/Angelina thing is getting a bit ridiculous

- I miss Hernandez

I missed most of Impact.

You miss Hernandez? I thought he was back? You mean Homicide?

I have a disturbing fascination to see this stuff with EY and Jordan.

Reforming the Brit Invasion is a smart move. They need another good tag team and for now its an easy fix to use The BI.

I assume you mean Rob Terry got depushed or fired. If so good.

[Specter313]

So, apparently some fans have spotted Awesome Kong at the Atlanta airport.

[Metallo]

So, apparently some fans have spotted Awesome Kong at the Atlanta airport.

Hopefully she shows up during the Snookie match and just destroys everybody. Awesome Bombing Snookie through the ring would be a plus.

[Nemi]

Hopefully she shows up during the Snookie match and just destroys everybody. Awesome Bombing Snookie through the ring would be a plus.

That would be great. Some people will cheer some will be terrified and someone on the announce team will go ''I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS BUT SHE JUST MADE A HUGE IMPACT!''

[NDX]

BREAKING NEWS: Major WWE Star Released! WrestleMania Plans Unknown!

Source: PW24/7R

In a shocking move, sources within the WWE are reporting that CM Punk has been released just 2 days before WrestleMania 27.

According to a key WWE insider, "No one saw this coming. Punk usually has himself under control, but he went too far last night." He would go not further into detail, but it is believed that Punk was released due to destroying a hotel room after a tryst with WWE Diva Melina went awry.

What this means for WrestleMania is unknown for now. WWE is scrambling to rebook the show, possibly shoehorning Randy Orton into the match with Edge and Alberto Del Rio, since the main event of The Miz and John Cena has been built up around the Rock. Orton will definitely be involved in a major match on the card, but how is still unclear.

Stay tuned to PW24/7R for details as this story develops.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Oh April fools day.

[BlackLantern]

wha??

that sounds....off

[venom892]

Great April's fool prank.

[BlackLantern]

you figured people would learn not to do that....wrestling fans are sensitive


I missed Hernandez, is what I mean....no Rob Terry has not been depushed or fired, matter of fact, he is now Jarretts right hand man....and he is super huge now

[Hunter Rider]

Is that just the song you would want, or do you know something?

Just the song I've always felt fit with Triple H.

I mean Sting got to work a match with a drugged up Hardy.Of course he made the right decision.Also so much memories in the first pic of this journal.;)
http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/wrestlemaniaxxvii/diary/photos-two#

Sunny days are ehre again! :D

So, apparently some fans have spotted Awesome Kong at the Atlanta airport.

Hard to mistake her.

[The Sage]

-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.

-- Attempting to capitalize on American Idol contestant James Durbin's noted wrestling fandom, World Wrestling Entertainment sent him a custom made spinner WWE "Spinner" belt. It was displayed on last night's show with the name "Crazy James" engraved.

-- Triple H attended the Georgia state legislature's WrestleMania Proclamation yesterday with wife Stephanie McMahon. Photos are available here.

source: F4WOnline.com

Former TNA Wrestling production manager Randy Ricci says that according to reliable sources within the Nashville based organization, current creative plans call for Jeff Hardy's real-life issues to take center stage on television.

Ricci reports on his blog (nawf.com/blog) that Hardy plans on undergoing treatment for his issues with substance abuse and will enter a rehabilitation facility. Upon his completion of rehab, he will be brought back to television as a babyface recovering from drug addiction.

Hardy was officially written off television on last night's episode of TNA iMPACT! as Immortal announced they had severed their ties with him.

On March 13 at Victory Road, Hardy received a rematch against Sting for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship under No Disqualification rules, but was defeated in ninety seconds. Behind the scenes, company officials had made the decision to cut the bout short after deeming that Hardy was in no condition to wrestle. The following day it was reported that TNA Wrestling had sent Hardy home from the week's iMPACT! tapings. He has not appeared for the organization since.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303710140.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303687357.php

[Lunar_Wolf]

-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.



HUH??????????????? *hits head with hammer*

[Nemi]

-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.

-- Attempting to capitalize on American Idol contestant James Durbin's noted wrestling fandom, World Wrestling Entertainment sent him a custom made spinner WWE "Spinner" belt. It was displayed on last night's show with the name "Crazy James" engraved.

-- Triple H attended the Georgia state legislature's WrestleMania Proclamation yesterday with wife Stephanie McMahon. Photos are available here.

source: F4WOnline.com

Former TNA Wrestling production manager Randy Ricci says that according to reliable sources within the Nashville based organization, current creative plans call for Jeff Hardy's real-life issues to take center stage on television.

Ricci reports on his blog (nawf.com/blog) that Hardy plans on undergoing treatment for his issues with substance abuse and will enter a rehabilitation facility. Upon his completion of rehab, he will be brought back to television as a babyface recovering from drug addiction.

Hardy was officially written off television on last night's episode of TNA iMPACT! as Immortal announced they had severed their ties with him.

On March 13 at Victory Road, Hardy received a rematch against Sting for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship under No Disqualification rules, but was defeated in ninety seconds. Behind the scenes, company officials had made the decision to cut the bout short after deeming that Hardy was in no condition to wrestle. The following day it was reported that TNA Wrestling had sent Hardy home from the week's iMPACT! tapings. He has not appeared for the organization since.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303710140.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/303687357.php

Please be another april fools joke.....

[NDX]

Former TNA Wrestling production manager Randy Ricci says that according to reliable sources within the Nashville based organization, current creative plans call for Jeff Hardy's real-life issues to take center stage on television.

Ricci reports on his blog (nawf.com/blog) that Hardy plans on undergoing treatment for his issues with substance abuse and will enter a rehabilitation facility. Upon his completion of rehab, he will be brought back to television as a babyface recovering from drug addiction.

Hardy was officially written off television on last night's episode of TNA iMPACT! as Immortal announced they had severed their ties with him.

On March 13 at Victory Road, Hardy received a rematch against Sting for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship under No Disqualification rules, but was defeated in ninety seconds. Behind the scenes, company officials had made the decision to cut the bout short after deeming that Hardy was in no condition to wrestle. The following day it was reported that TNA Wrestling had sent Hardy home from the week's iMPACT! tapings. He has not appeared for the organization since.
Storylines like these always do so well. Just see what it did for Hawk and Jake Roberts! :facepalm:

[Metallo]

http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/04/Diary_0401_025.jpg

Todays word is..."awkward."



BREAKING NEWS: Major WWE Star Released! WrestleMania Plans Unknown! Source: PW24/7R

In a shocking move, sources within the WWE are reporting that CM Punk has been released just 2 days before WrestleMania 27.

According to a key WWE insider, "No one saw this coming. Punk usually has himself under control, but he went too far last night." He would go not further into detail, but it is believed that Punk was released due to destroying a hotel room after a tryst with WWE Diva Melina went awry.

What this means for WrestleMania is unknown for now. WWE is scrambling to rebook the show, possibly shoehorning Randy Orton into the match with Edge and Alberto Del Rio, since the main event of The Miz and John Cena has been built up around the Rock. Orton will definitely be involved in a major match on the card, but how is still unclear.

Stay tuned to PW24/7R for details as this story develops.

Aw thats not even believable...



-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.

Sadly that IS believable. So much so that I'm not sure if its a joke or not. I wonder if they will correct anyone who calls them "World Wrestling Entertainment?" And what about Wrestlemania? :whatever:


-- Attempting to capitalize on American Idol contestant James Durbin's noted wrestling fandom, World Wrestling Entertainment sent him a custom made spinner WWE "Spinner" belt. It was displayed on last night's show with the name "Crazy James" engraved.

Also believable.


Former TNA Wrestling production manager Randy Ricci says that according to reliable sources within the Nashville based organization, current creative plans call for Jeff Hardy's real-life issues to take center stage on television.:facepalm:



HUH??????????????? *hits head with hammer*

http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/041706hhh5.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.

April fools?

[BlackLantern]

who even knows....both WWE and TNA seem to be making total bonehead moves lately....something in the 'roids??

[Metallo]

April fools?

I really hope so. Not that its so much of a big deal since KFC did that years ago but with WWE it seems like they are planning on going even further. To the point of obsession with not wanting to have the word "wrestling" mentioned at all in relation to them.


who even knows....both WWE and TNA seem to be making total bonehead moves lately....something in the 'roids??

I don't think Dixie's on the roids so she has no excuse. Vince? entirely possible. I think he was just born the way he is though.

[BlackLantern]

I really hope so. Not that its so much of a big deal since KFC did that years ago but with WWE it seems like they are planning on going even further. To the point of obsession with not wanting to have the word "wrestling" mentioned at all in relation to them.




I don't think Dixie's on the roids so she has no excuse. Vince? entirely possible. I think he was just born the way he is though.

if the WWE wants to "separate" wrestling from the context, than it would seem counterproductive to name PPVs after match stipulations?? just go back to the names like Backlash and Vengeance...those seem more like "story concepts" than wrestling matches

[Metallo]

if the WWE wants to "separate" wrestling from the context, than it would seem counterproductive to name PPVs after match stipulations?? just go back to the names like Backlash and Vengeance...those seem more like "story concepts" than wrestling matches

Like I said...if Vince is this obsessed with this change what do they do about Wrestlemania? They can't change the name of that one.

I think they can get away with most of the current PPV names since most of them don't use the actual word "wrestling." Thats what seems to rub Vince the wrong way.

[Hotwire]

-- Attempting to capitalize on American Idol contestant James Durbin's noted wrestling fandom, World Wrestling Entertainment sent him a custom made spinner WWE "Spinner" belt. It was displayed on last night's show with the name "Crazy James" engraved.
That one is true. He showed it of Thursday night during the results show.

[BlackLantern]

I don't think it's a matter of "rubbing the PTB the wrong way", I think it's just the WWE trying a different approach to get people watching who wouldn't normally watch

let's be honest here....pro wrestling still has the stigma among 99.8 percent of the tv watching public...you can't change that, you can maybe trick the GA into watching if you spin it the right way

kind of like how ABC tricked people into watching sci fi with Lost and V

[Metallo]

I don't think it's a matter of "rubbing the PTB the wrong way", I think it's just the WWE trying a different approach to get people watching who wouldn't normally watch

let's be honest here....pro wrestling still has the stigma among 99.8 percent of the tv watching public...you can't change that, you can maybe trick the GA into watching if you spin it the right way

kind of like how ABC tricked people into watching sci fi with Lost and V

I honestly think the idea of WWE being thought of as just wrestling does rub Vince the wrong way. Thats why he's tried to change it to something more and doesn't like when people boil it down to just "wrestling."

Them declaring that they won't call themselves "World Wrestling Entertainment" anymore is meaningless because people call it WWE most of the time in regular conversations anyway but they STILL associate it with wrestling.

I doubt most people think to themselves "man when WWE comes into town I hope they put on a good sports entertainment show" or "those guys did some good sports entertaining" in that match. :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

I honestly think the idea of WWE being thought of as just wrestling does rub Vince the wrong way. Thats why he's tried to change it to something more and doesn't like when people boil it down to just "wrestling."

Them declaring that they won't call themselves "World Wrestling Entertainment" anymore is meaningless because people call it WWE most of the time in regular conversations anyway but they STILL associate it with wrestling.

I doubt most people think to themselves "man when WWE comes into town I hope they put on a good sports sports entertainment show" or "those guys did some good sports entertaining" in that match. :whatever:

I half agree....if you look at the biggest feuds in the past 10 or so years, its mainly due to the personalities involved in the match...not so much technical prowess...sad, but true

hell my favorite feud as a kid was Bret Hart and Mr Perfect fighting over the IC title, but no one remembers that

[Metallo]

I half agree....if you look at the biggest feuds in the past 10 or so years, its mainly due to the personalities involved in the match...not so much technical prowess...sad, but true

hell my favorite feud as a kid was Bret Hart and Mr Perfect fighting over the IC title, but no one remembers that

Actually I'd say thats a pretty well known feud. To this day you still see a lot of older fans talk about it.

Obviously younger fans don't talk about it because they weren't even alive when it happened but thats to be expected for that feud and any feud that happened back then. Even the biggest ones.

To most kids today even Hogan vs Andre is a few soundbytes and the same 2 images replayed over and over again in video packages.

WWE could condition their younger audience to "learn" about anything from the past they want them to. They just won't have the same emotional connection to it as older viewers.

And Vince has been moving WWE away from just "wrestling" foor 26 years so I really do believe he wants to be seen as more and bigger than that and be accepted into the mainstream. He wants WWE to be a form of mainstream entertainment. In a way it is but its always going to have a certain stigma on it with most people simply because of what it is even if it is dressed up with more pomp and glitz.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think it's a matter of "rubbing the PTB the wrong way", I think it's just the WWE trying a different approach to get people watching who wouldn't normally watch

let's be honest here....pro wrestling still has the stigma among 99.8 percent of the tv watching public...you can't change that, you can maybe trick the GA into watching if you spin it the right way

kind of like how ABC tricked people into watching sci fi with Lost and V

Yet these are the same people that watch idol, dancing with the b listers and Jersey shore.

[BlackLantern]

yea....on a random note, I got a HUGE laugh on the rise and fall of WCW thing when someone was talking about Jeff Jarrett and the dying days of WCW

"broke 6,000 guitars and never drew a dime"

I always liked Jarrett....up until he started considering himself King of TNA

[BlackLantern]

Yet these are the same people that watch idol, dancing with the b listers and Jersey shore.

Idol does anywhere from 19-24 million viewers weekly....Dancing with the B Listers does about the same....

any other US show would kill for those types of numbers...why do you think the Gleeks threw such a fit when "Glee" got moved away from the post Idol spot? even the runoff from Idol is worth an extra 4-6 million viewers

[Hunter Rider]

Idol does anywhere from 19-24 million viewers weekly....Dancing with the B Listers does about the same....

any other US show would kill for those types of numbers...why do you think the Gleeks threw such a fit when "Glee" got moved away from the post Idol spot? even the runoff from Idol is worth an extra 4-6 million viewers

That wasn't my point.

[BlackLantern]

I know that HR....but what is important, to both TNA and WWE, is getting more eyeballs to the product

it doesn't matter where those eyeballs come from....the thinking from both promotions is probably "you want wrestling? go watch ROH and the indies"

[Metallo]

yea....on a random note, I got a HUGE laugh on the rise and fall of WCW thing when someone was talking about Jeff Jarrett and the dying days of WCW

"broke 6,000 guitars and never drew a dime"

I always liked Jarrett....up until he started considering himself King of TNA

Was it Mike Graham? I know he didn't care for Jarrett at the top. Even Jerry Jarrett said Jeff trying to outdo the Honky Tonk Man with the guitars didn't mean anything as far as getting him over.

[Hunter Rider]

It's the stigma thing I am on about though, especially as relates to Jersey shore.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So I'm kinda thinking another take on this whole Triple H v. Undertaker match...

Why does the streak have to end to a young up and comer who "needs the rub"?

Yea, Mick Foley went out to the up and coming Triple H. But who did Ric Flair go out to? HBK. Michaels certainly didn't need "the rub". But he went out to the only guy who had what it took to end his career. Who did Michaels go out to? Undertaker, who certainly didn't need the rub. He went out to the only guy who had what it took to put him down for good.

So why does Undertaker have to lose it to some young up and comer? What if Undertaker doesn't have what it takes to make it to next year's Mania for 20-0, so instead, he goes out to the one guy left on the roster who has what it takes to put him out?

Flair got to go out to Michaels, Michaels got to go out to Undertaker, and they were all GREAT moments. Why does Taker have to go out to some young buck?

I still think Taker wins and keeps the streak. But I could easier see Taker wanting to call it quits and going out to the best.

[Metallo]

From PWInsider.com

HUGE NAME ARRIVES IN ATLANTA FOR WRESTLEMANIA WEEKEND...AND HE WORKS FOR TNA

By Mike Johnson (mike@pwinsider.com) on 2011-04-01 22:47:07

Ric Flair (http://pwinsider.com/article/56663/huge-name-arrives-in-atlanta-for-wrestlemania-weekendand-he-works-for-tna.html?p=1#) just arrived in Atlanta at WWE's hotel (http://pwinsider.com/article/56663/huge-name-arrives-in-atlanta-for-wrestlemania-weekendand-he-works-for-tna.html?p=1#). I am told Flair will be attending Shawn Michaels' WWE (http://pwinsider.com/article/56663/huge-name-arrives-in-atlanta-for-wrestlemania-weekendand-he-works-for-tna.html?p=1#) Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

Good for WWE and TNA for letting this happen. The question I have is will Flair be shown on camera or even acknowledged during the show at all?



I know that HR....but what is important, to both TNA and WWE, is getting more eyeballs to the product

it doesn't matter where those eyeballs come from....the thinking from both promotions is probably "you want wrestling? go watch ROH and the indies"

And trying to be like or sponge off those shows isn't going to mean anything...because people would much rather be watching those other shows instead of WWE because WWE is still, to them, about "a bunch of sweaty guys fake fighting each other."

Even though the actual wrestling only makes up at best a third of Raw and Smackdowns tv time on a GOOD night its still what everything else is based on or around. Until they drop the wrestling entirely people are always going to see WWE (or TNA) the way they see them.

[bullets]

-- A meeting was held yesterday where it was agreed that the organization would no longer be referred as World Wrestling Entertainment due to Vince McMahon's decree to eliminate the term wrestling from the product. The company will be solely branded as WWE. Multiple sources indicate the meeting ended with this directive.


:wall: Perhaps World WIDE Entertainment would be suitable. I get they don't want to be known as JUST wrestling but let's not forget what they do out there Vince.

[BlackLantern]

I would prefer Taker retire with the Streak intact....if it is to end, it needs to benefit someone IMO...and there is a small list of performers who would benefit

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Triple H coming out to Metallica instead of his Motohead theme is disappointing. Biggest disappointment of Wrestlemania for me.

1. Triple H's "The Game" theme is one of the best entrance themes ever, if not the best entrance theme ever.

2. I absolutely despise Metallica with every fiber of my being.

[bullets]

Even though the actual wrestling only makes up at best a third of Raw and Smackdowns tv time on a GOOD night its still what everything else is based on or around. Until they drop the wrestling entirely people are always going to see WWE (or TNA) the way they see them.


As they should. You could say that WWE has redefined wrestling but it's still wrestling ..how are they going to change that

Also there no harm in showing Ric Flair, they don't have to make a big stink about it, just zoom by....hell they could hire him back and make him GM..

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I would prefer Taker retire with the Streak intact....if it is to end, it needs to benefit someone IMO...and there is a small list of performers who would benefit

Why does it NEED to benefit someone?

Like I said, Flair and Michaels got to go out to "the best". Why can't Undertaker?

[BlackLantern]

because it would be a great investment and have a decent long term benefit...it would solidify whoever it was as a main event guy for years to come

but I think Taker does win....

[Metallo]

Why does it NEED to benefit someone?

Like I said, Flair and Michaels got to go out to "the best". Why can't Undertaker?

For the same reason Ric Flair lost the NWA world title to a young man named Sting 21 years ago

For the same reason Shawn Michaels lost at Wrestlemania 14 to a rising star named Steve Austin.

For the same reason hulk Hogan dropped the WWF title almost 20 years ago to this NEW guy at the time named...The Undertaker.

Those men could have all said "why can't i put over a more established guy?" But they didn't. At some point you have to cement new stars.

One generation helps make the next look good so they can carry the business in the future.

With Flair and Michaels the stories at least made sense to do it that way. Michaels IDOLIZED Flair growing up.

Michaels was arguably the greatest of all time and he'd already given back to the business so much loosing to help push younger talent. So had Flair.

At this stage in the game it was ok for them to lose to a more established name because they've given back plenty of times and helped secure the future of the business.

[NDX]

:wall: Perhaps World WIDE Entertainment would be suitable. I get they don't want to be known as JUST wrestling but let's not forget what they do out there Vince.
That's what I've been calling it for the last 6 months or so.

[Hunter Rider]

So I'm kinda thinking another take on this whole Triple H v. Undertaker match...

Why does the streak have to end to a young up and comer who "needs the rub"?

Yea, Mick Foley went out to the up and coming Triple H. But who did Ric Flair go out to? HBK. Michaels certainly didn't need "the rub". But he went out to the only guy who had what it took to end his career. Who did Michaels go out to? Undertaker, who certainly didn't need the rub. He went out to the only guy who had what it took to put him down for good.

So why does Undertaker have to lose it to some young up and comer? What if Undertaker doesn't have what it takes to make it to next year's Mania for 20-0, so instead, he goes out to the one guy left on the roster who has what it takes to put him out?

Flair got to go out to Michaels, Michaels got to go out to Undertaker, and they were all GREAT moments. Why does Taker have to go out to some young buck?

I still think Taker wins and keeps the streak. But I could easier see Taker wanting to call it quits and going out to the best.

I agree with the general context of what you are saying but I think Cena would be a better choice, he is undefeated in singles matches at Mania and is the guy that will be carrying the company for the next decade.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And Undertaker HASN'T done that stuff?

Those examples you cited aren't the same as an all time legend fighting in his final match. Michaels losing to Austin at WM14 wasn't a retirement match. Michaels was still building his career (even if he WAS an established star at the time), and Austin was the rising star. Flair and Hogan weren't wrestling their final matches at the time when they lost those matches.

I get putting someone over. But you're always the one talking about "believability" - if guys like Shawn Michaels or Triple H can't beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania, do you really believe that someone like John Morrison, or Wade Barrett could?

Okay, you can give it to a guy like Orton or Cena, but both of those guys are already pretty well established as the guys of their era. And quite frankly, the only way I can see Cena doing it is if he really does go heel from this whole feud with The Rock, goes over Rock later in the year, and keeps his heel status until Wrestlemania and then puts out Undertaker. I can't see a face John Cena winning over Undertaker at Wrestlemania, as it would automatically make him heel.

And I don't know if I see giving it to Orton, when the entire point is to put that one guy over the top, and Orton ISN'T the top guy in the company, Cena is.

If the streak goes to some young up and comer like a Morrison, Barrett, Ziggler, Miz, Kingston, Sheamus, or someone like that (assuming a guy like that can hit his stride and stay in the spotlight for another year) it's gonna be dumb. If the streak goes to a guy like Orton or Cena, they are already established anyways, so what's really the difference giving it to one of those guys instead of Triple H?

A star up and comer like Taker, Sting, or Austin, beating the guy to get a championship and be put over the top as a legitimate main eventer is a lot different than putting out one of the all time greatest wrestlers to ever walk into a ring, and accomplish a feat that might be more valuable than any single championship at this point.

I don't think the streak should end period. But if it does end, it better go to someone who truly is worth it, not to just whatever flash in the pan superstar is getting pushed at the time for 15 minutes of fame.

[BlackLantern]

Id say Cena, Punk, maybe Edge

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree with the general context of what you are saying but I think Cena would be a better choice, he is undefeated in singles matches at Mania and is the guy that will be carrying the company for the next decade.

If the streak absolutely, positively has to go, then I wouldn't scoff at the idea of Cena turning heel from this whole Rock feud, getting "the rub" from going over The Rock, maintaining heel heat for a year, and then putting out Undertaker at next year's mania. Those 2 accomplishments in one year (The Rock, Undertaker) would establish Cena as a true force. The problem is, it'd also establish him as a pure heel too, to put out 2 huge fan favorites like that. I don't know if you'd want to take a guy like Cena and completely alter his legacy to that as a heel.

[BlackLantern]

if I could have Cena punt a kitten and push over a Make A Wish kid in his wheelchair tomorrow, Id go for it

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Id say Cena, Punk, maybe Edge

Next Wrestlemania is Edge's last apparently. If you're looking for someone to give "the rub" to, Edge is a horrible choice. Plus, as much as I love Edge, I don't think he's the caliber of guy who can take out Undertaker - if HBK and Triple H can't do it, how can Edge?

CM Punk? This isn't hate on the guy - I *like* him now. A lot. I see him as a legit main eventer. He needs to be fighting for titles. And as he is now, he needs to be a mainstay on my television.

That said, he's NOT Triple H, he's NOT HBK, he's NOT Cena. I couldn't truly buy CM Punk being the one to take out Undertaker.

Cena could. He has the cred. But I feel that it would too drastically change his legacy into permanent heel territory, and I don't know if that's the direction you want to take with a guy like that.

[BlackLantern]

Cena is at the point where he could go either direction and a healthy chunk of the audience is going to get behind him

Ive noticed that a lot of the Cena "haters" really don't hate him, they just want to see him go bad as to upset all the kiddies and enjoy their tears whilst if feeds into their malcontent towards the "norm"

or they are just a-holes

[The Sage]

And Undertaker HASN'T done that stuff?

Those examples you cited aren't the same as an all time legend fighting in his final match. Michaels losing to Austin at WM14 wasn't a retirement match. Michaels was still building his career (even if he WAS an established star at the time), and Austin was the rising star. Flair and Hogan weren't wrestling their final matches at the time when they lost those matches.


Technically it was, at least originally. Shawn had injured his back and it was believed by everyone that he wouldn't be able to wrestle again

[BlackLantern]

and after that match, he wasn't seen for 3-4 years?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I really don't care what Cena does. If he's a good heel, I got no problem with him going heel. I think his actions against The Rock on Monday night are a good start.

I don't hate Cena. In fact, quite the contrary. I like Cena. It's just difficult for me because he wins at Wrestlemania *ALL THE TIME*, and it's always for the dang title. And my personal investment in The Rock, anyone who goes at Rocky like that gets insta-heat from me :)

But, as a mic guy / character, I don't hate Cena. Even his "cheesy" lines that everyone hates I think is kind of funny. As an in ring worker I like his style. He's just so predictable. You know he's going to win every feud, and every PPV match, and it's just *yawn* after awhile.

Seeing the couple times when Cena went more gritty with his promos was awesome. Watching Cena lay out The Rock was awesome. And because of that, I won't be joining in the boos on Sunday.

Though I'm still pulling for Miz :)

[Heretic]

Several years ago WWE's best choice to end Taker's streak was Brock Lesnar.
Last year it was probably Sheamus.
Maybe Jeff Hardy wouldv'e been a good choice.
Nah...Batista is the future of WWE...

The point is...WWE WILL make untold millions off of "20-0: The Streak" t-shirts and DVDs...they arent risking guaranteed money on a gamble.

[BlackLantern]

the who??? o that other guy involved in the Rock/Cena confrontation

as a sports fan, I do find it quite funny that the guy from Cleveland is irrelevant in something he is supposed to be involved in

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Technically it was, at least originally. Shawn had injured his back and it was believed by everyone that he wouldn't be able to wrestle again

I wasn't watching back then. Was it "known" that it was Michaels' last match? I.E. was it part of the storyline?

Did Michaels drop the title because he physically couldn't perform anymore so they had to get the title off of him?

Was Austin billed as someone who "ended" Michaels' career?

I still see Austin beating an injured Michaels' who was thought to not be able to perform anymore for the title as a TON different than some young buck coming in and taking Undertaker's 19 year Wrestlemania streak.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

the who??? o that other guy involved in the Rock/Cena confrontation

as a sports fan, I do find it quite funny that the guy from Cleveland is irrelevant in something he is supposed to be involved in

Okay, as this thread's token Miz fan, that was hilarious.

[NDX]

PWInsider.com

-- At the early evening session of AXXESS in Atlanta, GA, WWE did an angle and match featuring Roddy Piper and MTV star Rob Dyrdek defeating Tyson Kidd and Zack Ryder. I was told the footage would be used for Drydek's MTV show, which Piper filmed some footage for a few weeks ago.

-- The Atlanta Journal-Constitution lists this as the running order for Wrestlemania tomorrow:

*Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan for the United States title.

*Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole.

*Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes.

*The Corre vs. Big Show & Kane & Santino Marella & Vladimir Kozlov.

*Snooki & John Morrison & Trish Stratus vs. Lay-Cool & Dolph Ziggler.

*Randy Orton vs. CM Punk.

*World champion Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio.

*Undertaker vs. Triple H.

*WWE champion The Miz vs. John Cena.

Mind you,this is all subject to change but that's what they are reporting in their Wrestlemania special here.

[Metallo]

And Undertaker HASN'T done that stuff?

Those examples you cited aren't the same as an all time legend fighting in his final match. Michaels losing to Austin at WM14 wasn't a retirement match. Michaels was still building his career (even if he WAS an established star at the time), and Austin was the rising star. Flair and Hogan weren't wrestling their final matches at the time when they lost those matches.

Hogan was contemplating retirement SOON. In fact as soon as 1992. It wasn't his retirement match but as far as he knew putting over taker in 1991 could have been one of his last acts as a WWE performer.

Wrestlemania 14 for all intents and purposes WAS Shawn Michaels final match of his WWF career so you really are completely wrong there. He'd had a career ending back injury 2 months before so he knew going into that match that he was more or less DONE as a wrestler.

And he stayed retired for 4 and a half years. The only reason he decided to return was because over four years later his back was feeling good and he wanted to see if he could still do it. And the match with HHH at Summerslam 02 WASN'T planned to be a full time return but more or less a one time deal. It went so well that as time went on he decided to come back full time.

Flair knew he wasn't getting any younger and WCW wanted a new YOUNG face to lead the company as a good guy.



I get putting someone over. But you're always the one talking about "believability" - if guys like Shawn Michaels or Triple H can't beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania, do you really believe that someone like John Morrison, or Wade Barrett could?If the person is special enough yes. Brock Lesnar beat Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Undertaker and the Rock decisively ALL in his rookie year and looked believable doing it.


If the streak goes to some young up and comer like a Morrison, Barrett, Ziggler, Miz, Kingston, Sheamus, or someone like that (assuming a guy like that can hit his stride and stay in the spotlight for another year) it's gonna be dumb. If the streak goes to a guy like Orton or Cena, they are already established anyways, so what's really the difference giving it to one of those guys instead of Triple H?How is it gonna be dumb? If any young talent is TRULY good enough its not dumb at all. At one point the Undertaker was a young guy still learning but he became a truly remarkable star. Triple H doesn't need the streak at all. he's already got MORE than enough accolades. He's got 3 times the amount of world titles that Shawn Michaels has. Why would he need to break the streak. And unlike Shawn Triple H hasn't put over a ton of young talent and unlike Flair Triple H hasn't MADE as many bonafide new stars.


A star up and comer like Taker, Sting, or Austin, beating the guy to get a championship and be put over the top as a legitimate main eventer is a lot different than putting out one of the all time greatest wrestlers to ever walk into a ring, and accomplish a feat that might be more valuable than any single championship at this point.If someone talented enough comes along its believable that Taker CAN be beaten on any given night. Even at Wrestlemania. He HAS been beaten before. Lesnar beat The Undertaker in the match HE helped originate for f***s sake.

ANY man can be beaten...even if its by a young guy. Even Hulk Hogan was eventually beaten cleanly for the WWE title on the biggest stage ever by a new rising star. And that was after Hogan had stopped every opponent put in front of him.


I don't think the streak should end period. But if it does end, it better go to someone who truly is worth it, not to just whatever flash in the pan superstar is getting pushed at the time for 15 minutes of fame.You could have said that about Shawn Michaels or Undertaker 25 years ago. You don't know how far someone is TRULY going to go early in their career.

Those guys had their careers elevated by veterans willing to put them over at some point. Even legendary stars at times.

[Zur En Arrh]

And Undertaker HASN'T done that stuff?

Those examples you cited aren't the same as an all time legend fighting in his final match. Michaels losing to Austin at WM14 wasn't a retirement match. Michaels was still building his career (even if he WAS an established star at the time), and Austin was the rising star. Flair and Hogan weren't wrestling their final matches at the time when they lost those matches.


HBK thought it was his last match and thought putting Austin over was a good way t go out. Hogan putting Taker over wasn't passing the torch in any way. Hogan won the title back 6 days later at "This Tuesday in Texas".

[BlackLantern]

Hogan put Billy Kidman over....

that one was a shocker to me

[NDX]

Hogan put Billy Kidman over....

that one was a shocker to me
Lotta good that did him.

[Metallo]

I wasn't watching back then. Was it "known" that it was Michaels' last match? I.E. was it part of the storyline?

Did Michaels drop the title because he physically couldn't perform anymore so they had to get the title off of him?

Was Austin billed as someone who "ended" Michaels' career?

I still see Austin beating an injured Michaels' who was thought to not be able to perform anymore for the title as a TON different than some young buck coming in and taking Undertaker's 19 year Wrestlemania streak.

Its not different just on a larger scale. Michaels put over a new guy on his way out. It would be the same for whoever ends the streak if they ever decide to end it.

I don't think Austin was ever billed as the guy who ended Michaels career but when you have Triple H taking over DX and coming out on Raw the next night, saying HBK couldn't cut it, and was gone I'd say it was pretty clear that Michaels time as a WWE wrestler was over in the companies eyes. They were saying as much to the audience.

The match with Michaels and the involvement of Tyson was meant to launch Austin as the next new top star.

Ending the streak would be the same thing if they decided to give that to a younger talent.

Remember how HHH bragged about retiring Foley? Same thing. Its something that a guy can use to make a name for himself.

[NDX]

PWInsider.com

WINNER OF THIS YEAR'S WWE THQ VIDEOGAME TOURNAMENT IS...

Jay Uso.

-----

A nice parting gift as he leaves the company.

[BlackLantern]

Lotta good that did him.

yea...Kidman is working as a trainer now in FCW....those who can't do, teach

[Metallo]

HBK thought it was his last match and thought putting Austin over was a good way t go out. Hogan putting Taker over wasn't passing the torch in any way. Hogan won the title back 6 days later at "This Tuesday in Texas".

It wasn't passing the torch but it was putting Taker over to help launch a new star. Taker was the new special attraction. An example of Hogan passing the torch was with Warrior.

As for Taker...how many guys beat Hogan for the WWF title in ANY fashion between 1984 and 1991?

And keep in mind this was the Undertakers first year in the WWF. Nobody had ever done what he did at the time. It was a screwy finish but he still did it. WWE talked about that for years. When Hogan returned in 02 and they picked up with a rematch Taker STILL talked about it.



yea...Kidman is working as a trainer now in FCW....those who can't do, teach

He got to "do" Torrie Wilson for a long time. I'm sure that was a nice perk to have.

[NDX]

yea...Kidman is working as a trainer now in FCW....those who can't do, teach

Doesn't help he had no personality. He was all flash, no substance. And not that much flash, either. Shooting Star Press and a wife beater. Star material, right there.

He and 432373270974298457902 other Generic Flippy White Guys (tm).

[Metallo]

Doesn't help he had no personality. He was all flash, no substance. And not that much flash, either. Shooting Star Press and a wife beater. Star material, right there.

He and 432373270974298457902 other Generic Flippy White Guys (tm).

When Hogan put Kidman over I thought it was some kind of joke...seriously.

It's like Hogan drew a name out of a hat and said "ok I'll job to whoever name comes out of a piece of paper."

I've always read that he had some kind of motive behind that whole thing though. Like he'd job to Kidman and use it as an example of none of the younger guys being good enough to stay over after he tried to make them stars by losing to them.

[BlackLantern]

considering who was in charge of WCW at that time, he might have done it just to tick everyone off.....he had a nice fat guaranteed contract, so he was getting paid either way

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

ANY man can be beaten...even if its by a young guy.

Yet... you won't accept The Miz beating John Cena clean on Sunday...

I wish I was watching in the mid 90's so that I was more memorable on the early runs from guys like Austin, The Rock, Triple H, etc...

But I think it's safe to say that, except when The Rock was Rocky Maivia, and Triple H was... whatever the hell his French gimmick was, guys like Morrison, Kingston, etc... AREN'T Austin, The Rock, Triple H, etc...

Look, the guys that I watched get built into legit main event stars were guys like Kurt Angle, or Chris Jericho. By the time I started watching, The Rock, Austin, and Triple H were already made. Triple H already seemed pretty made in my eyes by the time he beat Foley. At the time, I didn't see Triple H beating Foley as any kind of "putting over", but rather, 1. Mick Foley was retiring, so he had to lose the match and 2. Triple H was the champ, plus the epitome of heel, and was just the guy to put Foley out of the business (perfect example of me watching for the storylines, not the politics).

But watching Jericho and Angle through those early runs, they were obviously GOOD at what they were doing, and were meant to be stars someday. When Jericho jumped into the main event, when Angle jumped into the main event, it was obvious. It was natural.

Kingston isn't either one of those guys. Morrison, if he puts it all together CAN be on that level. But as much as I love him, right now all he is is a few impressive PPV spots. Ziggler... meh. If he gets an entirely new gimmick. Right now he just feels like Mr. Ass part 2, complete with Fame-Asser action. None of these guys scream "future superstar" to me the way Jericho or Angle did. The way guys like Del Rio and Miz do to me now. Or even Wade Barrett. I always say, just cuz a guy has talent doesn't mean he has to become a main eventer. There is a spot for guys on the mid card, and some guys are born mid carders. Much of today's young talent that people seem to love so much are mid carders and don't have that main event talent. At least in my book.

Unless you're gonna give it to a guy like Cena or Orton, I don't see anyone worthy of taking Undertaker's streak. So if you're gonna give it up, I don't see the problem with giving it to a guy like Triple H.

If there was a young Austin waiting in the wings, you'd have a point. But Kofi Kingston is not Steve Austin part 2.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

On another note, Triple H has brought his shovels to my WWE Universe and done, in my book, the worst possible crime you could commit.

He turned heel and broke up DX, attacking HBK and leaving him for Edge and Miz to take apart.

No more DX for me makes Nell a sad panda. :(

Triple H buried me. :dry: The only good thing to come out of this is Triple H going heel allows me to recreate the Triple H v. The Rock feuds. And Triple H v. Shawn Michaels gives me a good grudge match for my Extreme Rules PPV to replace any Divas' matches with. Or also a possible Straight Edge Society Tag Team Title defense (not taking them off the card, but rather building a feud between CM Punk and Bret Hart). But still... I had plans for DX. :(

[Slushy]

Records are meant to be broken. So should The Streak.


I wasn't watching back then. Was it "known" that it was Michaels' last match? I.E. was it part of the storyline?

Did Michaels drop the title because he physically couldn't perform anymore so they had to get the title off of him?

Was Austin billed as someone who "ended" Michaels' career?


Supposedly, Shawn Michaels wanted to retain the title at Wrestlemania despite knowing he was injured and Undertaker threatened to kick his ass backstage if he didn't do the job for Austin because Michaels winning would've been one of the worst decisions made for the company. HBK denies this in his book, but The Undertaker confirmed in an interview on Off The Record that he had to talk HBK out of not doing a job. He didn't say it was Wrestlemania 14, but I'm pretty sure that's what he was alluding to. I just find it funny Shawn Michaels blasted Bret Hart because Bret didn't like how his career was going to end at Survivor Series 1997 then a couple of chapters, Shawn Michaels blasted for Vince how his career ended at WM 14. Ho pot, kettle black!

SummerSlam 2002 was supposed to be just a one-time deal and Shawn, amazingly, was able to make his career last an additional 8 years.

[Kaleb]

http://i.imgur.com/mDnj9.jpg
Shawn and Sunny busy reminiscing about the time Sunny did a line of coke off Shawns no no parts, good times good times

[Kaleb]

Rumored WrestleMania 27 Match Order

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution lists the following as the match order for WrestleMania XXVII on Sunday:
* United States Champion Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan

* Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole with special referee "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

* Rey Mysterio vs. Cody Rhodes

* Big Show, Kane, Santino Marella and Vladimir Kozlov vs. Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel and Wade Barrett

* John Morrison, Trish Stratus and Snooki vs. Dolph Ziggler and Lay-Cool

* Randy Orton vs. CM Punk

* World Heavyweight Champion Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio

* The Undertaker vs. Triple H (No Holds Barred Match)

* WWE Champion The Miz vs. John Cena



I like the opening match, it should get the crowd into it, I however dont like the final couple of matches I think it might kill the energy when it come to the final match, also I think they should swop the Ziggler/laycool vs Trish/Morrison/snookie match with the Lawler vs Cole match.

[bullets]

Records are meant to be broken. So should The Streak.
Supposedly, Shawn Michaels wanted to retain the title at Wrestlemania despite knowing he was injured and Undertaker threatened to kick his ass backstage if he didn't do the job for Austin because Michaels winning would've been one of the worst decisions made for the company. HBK denies this in his book, but The Undertaker confirmed in an interview on Off The Record that he had to talk HBK out of not doing a job.


I remember that lol, Undertaker didn't have to say WM14 but it was clear what they were alluding to. I think Shawn agreed to it at one point but then afterwords was clearly drugged up and started causing problems.

As for the streak , I thought they might actually have Randy Orton take it at WM21....




Unless you're gonna give it to a guy like Cena or Orton, I don't see anyone worthy of taking Undertaker's streak. So if you're gonna give it up, I don't see the problem with giving it to a guy like Triple H.


If Triple H wins he's done all there is to do in this business according to his promos and should retire . At the same time if Undertaker's streak dies , he does as well (according to Triple H ). Basically they would cancel each other out. I don't think from a business standpoint or a storyline standpoint it would be a good idea, but that's just me. Triple H is a legend
in WWE and built enough as someone who could end it , so it wouldn't be a travesty but I can't see it as the best option for the long run. Unless Taker can't perform but I think the guy can still go.

[Kaleb]

HHH could walk into Mania with his enterance music ""muahahaaha'' spit out water, enter the ring, kick Taker in the gut then pedigree him for the win for all I care,Im getting a bit tired of this streak crap.Also it would mean that HHH would have acomplished everything there is and would hopefully retire.

[Scar Predator]

http://i.imgur.com/mDnj9.jpg
Shawn and Sunny busy reminiscing about the time Sunny did a line of coke off Shawns no no parts, good times good times


She's probably laughing at the way Shawn is dressed. For the love of everything holy, I hope there isn't a camo suit anywhere in the world. :doh:

[Slushy]

Final WM 27 Predictions:

Bryan by Le Belle Lock

Jerry Lawler by Fist Drop with Cole and Swagger getting Stunned by Stone Cold.

Rey Mysterio by 619 / Springboard Splash after Rey takes off Cody's mask.

The Corre by Wasteland

John Morrison, Trish Stratus and Snooki after Snooki pins Layla.

CM Punk by pinfall after using the ropes for leverage as I do believe Orton's leg injury will come into play.

Edge by Spear with Christian attacking him after the match. (although if Del Rio wins, I think a cool way to finish the match would be for him to jump over Edge as he does the Spear and catch him in the Cross Armbreaker)

The Undertaker by pinfall after HBK superkicks Triple H accidentally and Helmsley gets about three Tombstones.

John Cena by STFU then gets his candy ass whooped by The Rock afterwards.

[Hotwire]

Final WM 27 Predictions:

Bryan by Le Belle Lock

Lawler by Fist Drop with Cole and Swagger getting Stunned by Stone Cold.

Mysterio by 619 / Springboard Splash after Rey takes off Cody's mask.

The Corre by Wasteland

John Morrison, Trish Stratus and Snooki after Snooki pins Layla.

CM Punk by pinfall after using the ropes for leverage as I do believe Orton's leg injury will come into play.

Edge by Spear with Christian attacking him after the match. (although if Del Rio wins, I think a cool way to finish the match would be for him to jump over Edge as he does the Spear and catch him in the Cross Armbreaker)

The Undertaker by pinfall after HBK superkicks Triple H accidentally and Helmsley gets about three Tombstones.

John Cena by STFU then gets his candy ass whooped by The Rock afterwards.

Can you post these in the WrestleMania thread so we can keep track?

[Hotwire]

She's probably laughing at the way Shawn is dressed. For the love of everything holy, I hope there isn't a camo suit anywhere in the world. :doh:

Check out a little show called, My Big Redneck Wedding. You can get anything in camo.

[Metallo]

Yet... you won't accept The Miz beating John Cena clean on Sunday...

Because Miz hasn't been built up to look strong the way Taker, Austin, and Warrior had.

Maybe you don't know because once again you weren't watching but Warrior was built up huge and seemed to be Hogans EQUAL. It was clear he had the tools to beat someone as great as Hogan was made out to be.

Same thing with Undertaker. Same thing with Brock Lesnar. If you can't see the difference between the in ring skills and presentation of those guys then...:doh:

Undertaker was an unstoppable force when he faced Hogan at Survivor Series. The Miz could barely beat a guy almost ready to draw his social security.

Are you gonna sit here and tell me Miz is in the same league as Taker or Lesnar?

in Hogans prime someone like the Miz wouldn't be fit to JOB to Hulk Hogan and whether we like it or not WWE is pushing Cena as the modern era Hogan.


I wish I was watching in the mid 90's so that I was more memorable on the early runs from guys like Austin, The Rock, Triple H, etc...

But I think it's safe to say that, except when The Rock was Rocky Maivia, and Triple H was... whatever the hell his French gimmick was, guys like Morrison, Kingston, etc... AREN'T Austin, The Rock, Triple H, etc...

Some people said the SAME thing a about Austin when he was Stunning Steve in WCW. they said he wasn't a top guy. They said he was too boring. Nobody could have predicted what the Rock was going to be. And obviously the Warrior felt HHH wasn't worth making look good.


Look, the guys that I watched get built into legit main event stars were guys like Kurt Angle, or Chris Jericho. By the time I started watching, The Rock, Austin, and Triple H were already made.

Angle got the push EARLY..but Jericho was another guy who was, while talented, not immediately some great star. It took years to get there and even he still had a lot of learning to do. I remember when HHH was a french snob in WCW and he wasn't some on site future great in the business.


Triple H already seemed pretty made in my eyes by the time he beat Foley. At the time, I didn't see Triple H beating Foley as any kind of "putting over", but rather, 1. Mick Foley was retiring, so he had to lose the match and 2. Triple H was the champ, plus the epitome of heel, and was just the guy to put Foley out of the business (perfect example of me watching for the storylines, not the politics).

Even HHH and Foley said that that match and that whole feud helped solidify Triple H and showed he could take it to another level. He was already a champion but that match told everyone he was the real deal. Unless you thing HHH and Foley are wrong too.

If HHH had continued to job like he did to the Warrior in ten seconds would anyone give as much of a damn about him as they do now?


But watching Jericho and Angle through those early runs, they were obviously GOOD at what they were doing, and were meant to be stars someday. When Jericho jumped into the main event, when Angle jumped into the main event, it was obvious. It was natural.

You didn't watch Jericho until he had ten years in the business. EARLY run? I don't think so.


Kingston isn't either one of those guys. Morrison, if he puts it all together CAN be on that level. But as much as I love him, right now all he is is a few impressive PPV spots. Ziggler... meh. If he gets an entirely new gimmick. Right now he just feels like Mr. Ass part 2, complete with Fame-Asser action. None of these guys scream "future superstar" to me the way Jericho or Angle did. The way guys like Del Rio and Miz do to me now. Or even Wade Barrett. I always say, just cuz a guy has talent doesn't mean he has to become a main eventer. There is a spot for guys on the mid card, and some guys are born mid carders. Much of today's young talent that people seem to love so much are mid carders and don't have that main event talent. At least in my book.

Main eventers have to begin somewhere. Bret Hart wasn't seen as a man eventer in 1984. Shawn Michaels wasn't seen as a main eventer in 1989. Triple H wasn't seen as a main eventer in 1994. You weren't watching but I don't remember anyone really seeing that main event spark shine until they had a few years under their belt.


Unless you're gonna give it to a guy like Cena or Orton, I don't see anyone worthy of taking Undertaker's streak. So if you're gonna give it up, I don't see the problem with giving it to a guy like Triple H.

Triple is is a middle aged man close to retirement himself. he doesn't need the streak. He's got more accolades than almost anyone in the business. The guy has more world titles than Hogan Austin and The Rock. It'd be silly to waste the streak on him.


If there was a young Austin waiting in the wings, you'd have a point. But Kofi Kingston is not Steve Austin part 2.

So you are a psychic who knows what EVERY wrestler talent in the world has inside him as far as potential? The next "Austin" might not be in the WWE yet or they might be in developmental right now. Who knows.

Was Austin the next "Austin" in 1991? Can you honestly sit here and tell me that you and everyone KNEW Austin was going to be a huge star to rival Hogan almost 20 years ago? Nobody can say that.

[SpideyVille]

I just find it funny Shawn Michaels blasted Bret Hart because Bret didn't like how his career was going to end at Survivor Series 1997 then a couple of chapters, Shawn Michaels blasted for Vince how his career ended at WM 14. Ho pot, kettle black!
Well it's not exactly like what happened with Bret because he was still going to be active, and was jumping to WCW. Granted, he said he wanted to lose the belt on his terms and ended up getting screwed. But I agree, it was better that Michaels lost at WM 14 since he pretty much didn't wrestle at all since the Royal Rumble match and, from what I heard, couldn't really walk or move much in the months following.
SummerSlam 2002 was supposed to be just a one-time deal and Shawn, amazingly, was able to make his career last an additional 8 years.
That was a real surprise for me. I remember when he came back and wishing he'd come back full time, and lo and behold, somehow he did.

[Nemi]

Cena is at the point where he could go either direction and a healthy chunk of the audience is going to get behind him

Ive noticed that a lot of the Cena "haters" really don't hate him, they just want to see him go bad as to upset all the kiddies and enjoy their tears whilst if feeds into their malcontent towards the "norm"

or they are just a-holes

In my opinion I think it's the way his character is written. His audience is kids and it seems like they write his character to appeal to that audience only. He's someone the kids can love and parents can be okay with their kids loving since he's so kid friendly.

All of that is perfectly fine aside from the fact that he is THE face of the company and THE main event guy. If he is also gonna be those things then his character should appeal to the audience as a whole not just the kids.

[Metallo]

In my opinion I think it's the way his character is written. His audience is kids and it seems like they write his character to appeal to that audience only. He's someone the kids can love and parents can be okay with their kids loving since he's so kid friendly.

All of that is perfectly fine aside from the fact that he is THE face of the company and THE main event guy. If he is also gonna be those things then his character should appeal to the audience as a whole not just the kids.

Cena is basically the new Hogan. They want that same broad superheroic kid appeal. He even wears bright colors like Hogan. "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect" is basically the 2000's version of "Train Hard, Say Your Prayers, and Eat Your Vitamins."

I think Cena has some adult appeal when WWE takes the leash off him but I think you have a point. Hogan had a little adult appeal back in his peak years too and any excuse for him was it was a different time. Kids are more savvy today than they were 20 years ago so pushing the boundaries a little with Cena isn't going to hurt them.

Personally I don't think its so much about WWE not having faith in the kids but they want to keep certain sponsors happy who don't have faith in kids to be savvy enough to understand a little more mature content.

A company like Mattel doesn't want WWE too take things too far so WWE is trying to work with them

[Nemi]

Cena is basically the new Hogan. They want that same broad superheroic kid appeal. He even wears bright colors like Hogan. "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect" is basically the 2000's version of "Train Hard, Say Your Prayers, and Eat Your Vitamins."

I think Cena has some adult appeal when WWE takes the leash off him but I think you have a point. Hogan had a little adult appeal back in his peak years too and any excuse for him was it was a different time. Kids are more savvy today than they were 20 years ago so pushing the boundaries a little with Cena isn't going to hurt them.

Personally I don't think its so much about WWE not having faith in the kids but they want to keep certain sponsors happy who don't have faith in kids to be savvy enough to understand a little more mature content.

A company like Mattel doesn't want WWE too take things too far so WWE is trying to work with them

Pretty much, this act worked for Hogan then but it doesn't work now. I think kids would still love Cena's character if he was written more maturely and not like Captain Planet. I think WWE knows that as well but like you said it's really the sponsors and I think the parents. Parents who might change the channel when Austin starts drinkin beer and flippin people off probably don't have a problem buying their kids all of Cena's merchandise and front row tickets to see him.

I can understand the concern over Cena going to far in the attitude era direction but his character has gone too far in the opposite direction. At some point he's gonna need to evolve anyway or the kids that love him might start moving on to more mature characters as they get older.

[Hunter Rider]

If the streak absolutely, positively has to go, then I wouldn't scoff at the idea of Cena turning heel from this whole Rock feud, getting "the rub" from going over The Rock, maintaining heel heat for a year, and then putting out Undertaker at next year's mania. Those 2 accomplishments in one year (The Rock, Undertaker) would establish Cena as a true force. The problem is, it'd also establish him as a pure heel too, to put out 2 huge fan favorites like that. I don't know if you'd want to take a guy like Cena and completely alter his legacy to that as a heel.

I actually see it more like Cena being the face defending the title against Taker, and the angle will be that unlike previous years the streak is not Cena's obsession, it's keeping his title.

Several years ago WWE's best choice to end Taker's streak was Brock Lesnar.
Last year it was probably Sheamus.
Maybe Jeff Hardy wouldv'e been a good choice.
Nah...Batista is the future of WWE...

The point is...WWE WILL make untold millions off of "20-0: The Streak" t-shirts and DVDs...they arent risking guaranteed money on a gamble.

Taker's career DVD will sell lots regardless, and you can only sell a 20-0 DVD once, and most fans have the matches already, I don't think there is much merch to make from it at all.

Doesn't help he had no personality. He was all flash, no substance. And not that much flash, either. Shooting Star Press and a wife beater. Star material, right there.

He and 432373270974298457902 other Generic Flippy White Guys (tm).

He beat up Torrie?

Records are meant to be broken. So should The Streak.

Agreed 100%.

Supposedly, Shawn Michaels wanted to retain the title at Wrestlemania despite knowing he was injured and Undertaker threatened to kick his ass backstage if he didn't do the job for Austin because Michaels winning would've been one of the worst decisions made for the company. HBK denies this in his book, but The Undertaker confirmed in an interview on Off The Record that he had to talk HBK out of not doing a job. He didn't say it was Wrestlemania 14, but I'm pretty sure that's what he was alluding to. I just find it funny Shawn Michaels blasted Bret Hart because Bret didn't like how his career was going to end at Survivor Series 1997 then a couple of chapters, Shawn Michaels blasted for Vince how his career ended at WM 14. Ho pot, kettle black!

From what I can gather the issue was not Shawn jobbing to Austin that was the problem, Shawn didn't want to sell the Tyson punch post-match, he felt he was giving enough since he wasn't even medically cleared to be in the ring his back was so ****ed up.

HHH could walk into Mania with his enterance music ""muahahaaha'' spit out water, enter the ring, kick Taker in the gut then pedigree him for the win for all I care,Im getting a bit tired of this streak crap.Also it would mean that HHH would have acomplished everything there is and would hopefully retire.

Brutal but a fair point. :D

She's probably laughing at the way Shawn is dressed. For the love of everything holy, I hope there isn't a camo suit anywhere in the world. :doh:

:lmao:

[Slushy]

The lack of respect for John Cena is astounding. I have all the appreciation in the world for the guy who has successfully carried the company for six years now! People just love to hate on him because either they didn't like his babyface character change or that he can't do moonsaults and hurricaranas. The fact of the matter is John Cena has made the most money for WWE since the likes of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold. For once, the company didn't listen to their fans and kept Cena as a face due to the million of dollars at stake. Why kill your golden goose? At the end of the day, its just business.

[BlackLantern]

http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201103/just-outside-louisville-home-base-heroes-and-heels

love stuff like this

[Metallo]

The lack of respect for John Cena is astounding. I have all the appreciation in the world for the guy who has successfully carried the company for six years now! People just love to hate on him because either they didn't like his babyface character change or that he can't do moonsaults and hurricaranas. The fact of the matter is John Cena has made the most money for WWE since the likes of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold. For once, the company didn't listen to their fans and kept Cena as a face due to the million of dollars at stake. Why kill your golden goose? At the end of the day, its just business.

I have all the respect in the world for John Cena the man. He's probably the hardest working guy to come along in wrestling in the last 6 years. Nobody has the schedule he has. And thats just all the travel and business related stuff and charity work he does for WWE. Even in the ring Cena gives you everything he has every night.

The only issues I have with Cena are creative ones and a lot of those are beyond his control. But Cena is underrated as a worker and he seems to be pretty selfless in the ring.

He doesn't have near the ego other past stars have. You don't see him politicking like Hogan, walking out like Austin, having an ego like Bret Hart, or being unprofessional like Michaels was 15 years ago. You don't see him buckling under the pressure like Lesnar either. Cena will do anything the company asks him.

The only problem I see with that is some people will use it as an excuse and call him a company man that tows the line. Most of the time I don't have a problem with him doing that though.

Cena may not be the best at anything but he got the top spot the same reason others got it: he is a workhorse. He's got the same GOOD qualities that took people like Hogan, Sting, and Bret Hart so far.



Taker's career DVD will sell lots regardless, and you can only sell a 20-0 DVD once, and most fans have the matches already, I don't think there is much merch to make from it at all.

I agree. The streak could make WWE money but Taker is going to make WWE money for years to come regardless of whether the streak is broken or not.

Personally its not going to bother me either way. If they choose to let him retire with it I'm fine with that because if anyone deserves it its him. If its broken I'm fine with that too because it would be nice to see him give back and help push a new talent the same way people helped push him.

Deep down I think Taker would be ok with losing the streak considering he's a traditionalist who loves the business more than anybody.

The only thing is I DON'T want to see the streak wasted. If its broken make it matter long term and that way its STILL something they can make money off of. If the streak can cement the next Hogan or Austin thats going to make WWE a hell of a lot more money than a 20-0 dvd or T shirt.


:lmao:Shawns made some...questionable wardrobe choices over the years. I remember the black shirt with the spaghetti straps and the sleeveless camo vest. :dry:

[Hunter Rider]

The lack of respect for John Cena is astounding. I have all the appreciation in the world for the guy who has successfully carried the company for six years now! People just love to hate on him because either they didn't like his babyface character change or that he can't do moonsaults and hurricaranas. The fact of the matter is John Cena has made the most money for WWE since the likes of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold. For once, the company didn't listen to their fans and kept Cena as a face due to the million of dollars at stake. Why kill your golden goose? At the end of the day, its just business.

I don't recall saying anything bad about Cena, I was all for his 2006/7 run as that mixed reaction made all his matches heat magnets. I think he's gone stale since 2008 though and is coasting on a tired routine that could do with a freshen up, it needn't be a heel turn, just something to break the monotony.

I agree. The streak could make WWE money but Taker is going to make WWE money for years to come regardless of whether the streak is broken or not.

Personally its not going to bother me either way. If they choose to let him retire with it I'm fine with that because if anyone deserves it its him. If its broken I'm fine with that too because it would be nice to see him give back and help push a new talent the same way people helped push him.

Deep down I think Taker would be ok with losing the streak considering he's a traditionalist who loves the business more than anybody.

The only thing is I DON'T want to see the streak wasted. If its broken make it matter long term and that way its STILL something they can make money off of. If the streak can cement the next Hogan or Austin thats going to make WWE a hell of a lot more money than a 20-0 dvd or T shirt.

I've always believed that the streak should end, it is the natural order of things that every legend is felled. I have thought for the longest period now that they should replicate Hogan vs Andre with Cena vs Taker, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Orton could be the one, he is massively over whether I like his character or not, and he has never had a truly huge moment at Mania, in fact he hasn't really had one at all, all his title wins are blurred bar the one that the WWE now wont acknowledge.

Orton's ruthless character may also fit better with older fans as I think the younger one's could care a less about the streak, as it's plausible that a hungry and relentless athletic specimen like Orton could get the job done, and it would cement him IMO in the way jobs Triple H and HBK did at Mania's 22 and 23 cemented Cena.

Shawns made some...questionable wardrobe choices over the years. I remember the black shirt with the spaghetti straps and the sleeveless camo vest. :dry:Hey the tribute to Skinner vest was great! :woot:

[BlackLantern]

Cenas LMS match with Umaga was ridiculously intense....from both guys...wish Id see Cena like that more often

[Dr. Evil]

John Cena does a lot of good outside the ring, hanging out with the Make-A-Wish kids.

[Metallo]

I don't recall saying anything bad about Cena, I was all for his 2006/7 run as that mixed reaction made all his matches heat magnets. I think he's gone stale since 2008 though and is coasting on a tired routine that could do with a freshen up, it needn't be a heel turn, just something to break the monotony.

I think the issues people have with him are creative ones. The Nexus thing was a nice break for Cena early on since it showed he wasn't indestructible and kept him relevant but out of the title picture. But the ball was dropped on that after a few months.

If Cena turns heel they need to make it matter and make it natural. I agree he just needs some kind of change, any change, to keep him fresh. Doesn't need to be a heel turn at all.

I've always believed that the streak should end, it is the natural order of things that every legend is felled. I have thought for the longest period now that they should replicate Hogan vs Andre with Cena vs Taker, however it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Orton could be the one, he is massively over whether I like his character or not, and he has never had a truly huge moment at Mania, in fact he hasn't really had one at all, all his title wins are blurred bar the one that the WWE now wont acknowledge.

Orton's ruthless character may also fit better with older fans as I think the younger one's could care a less about the streak, as it's plausible that a hungry and relentless athletic specimen like Orton could get the job done, and it would cement him IMO in the way jobs Triple H and HBK did at Mania's 22 and 23 cemented Cena.

I wouldn't mind it being Cena but it would need to be handled just right. Orton could use a rub like breaking the streak more. I still feel he's right on the cusp of truly breaking into that next level. He feuded with Taker and Foley before and the feud with Foley REALLY helped him progress but he's never had that feud like Cena had that cemented him at that next level the way Cena vs HHH or Cena vs HBK did.

Orton ending the streak would certainly be better than HHH doing it.

It would even be fine if the streak was used to make the next "special attraction." The next guy who will fill that Andre/Taker role.

HHH ending thr streak is an absolute waste though. Taker already whipped HHH's ass at WM once.

[Scar Predator]

Well, it's been a year since the man called it quits and left many fans with a gaping hole in their hearts. So, it's time for an update on the collection

Mattel figs
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk7.jpg

A custom attired fig from the "How do you like your Undertaker? promo"

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk6.jpg

A custom post match look from WM 12

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk5.jpg

[Scar Predator]

2 Rockers customs and an I-C champ era vest


http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk4.jpg
2 very rare Deluxe Classic/DA figs and a custom DX


http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk3.jpg

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk2.jpg


Another custom IC era fig and a fig with a custom head from HBK's title win at Royal Rumble '97


http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp291/Venom49/hbk1.jpg

[Scar Predator]

Shawns made some...questionable wardrobe choices over the years. I remember the black shirt with the spaghetti straps and the sleeveless camo vest. :dry:


How about the blue sleeveless shirt with the camo shoulder padding? Whisper lets him out of the house like that?!:huh:

[spidey-dude]

The lack of respect for John Cena is astounding. I have all the appreciation in the world for the guy who has successfully carried the company for six years now! People just love to hate on him because either they didn't like his babyface character change or that he can't do moonsaults and hurricaranas. The fact of the matter is John Cena has made the most money for WWE since the likes of Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold. For once, the company didn't listen to their fans and kept Cena as a face due to the million of dollars at stake. Why kill your golden goose? At the end of the day, its just business.

you have hit the nail n the head so whats your point? people here dont hate the actual guy we just hate the lame boring goofy smile chracter he portrays as it is lame boring and goofy

[TheVileOne]

Scar Predator, great collection. Did you grab your title belts from the Jakks toys? They started making much better belt accessories with the Deluxe Aggression line. Even though they used parts that were horribl out of scale for certain wrestlers.

[bullets]

So Koslov was brutally attacked by the Corr at axes and his condition may not be fit to compete at Wrestlemania..


Here's the shocking video..
http://www.twitvid.com/KPBCD

[venom892]

Diesel or Booker T will replace Koslov no doubt.

[bullets]

I was thinking Kofi but either of those could work.

[Hunter Rider]

I think the issues people have with him are creative ones. The Nexus thing was a nice break for Cena early on since it showed he wasn't indestructible and kept him relevant but out of the title picture. But the ball was dropped on that after a few months.

If Cena turns heel they need to make it matter and make it natural. I agree he just needs some kind of change, any change, to keep him fresh. Doesn't need to be a heel turn at all.

The flaw with the Nexus angle was that they were all so green, and it required Cena to carry any match they were in, long temr it was ahrd to sustain any real momentum due to this fact.

I'm not sure what the best move for a Cena refresh is, maybe something like Sting's crow reinvention.

I wouldn't mind it being Cena but it would need to be handled just right. Orton could use a rub like breaking the streak more. I still feel he's right on the cusp of truly breaking into that next level. He feuded with Taker and Foley before and the feud with Foley REALLY helped him progress but he's never had that feud like Cena had that cemented him at that next level the way Cena vs HHH or Cena vs HBK did.

Orton ending the streak would certainly be better than HHH doing it.

It would even be fine if the streak was used to make the next "special attraction." The next guy who will fill that Andre/Taker role.

HHH ending thr streak is an absolute waste though. Taker already whipped HHH's ass at WM once.The case for Orton is strong, he'll need to evolve his character further but if he does he's a good fit for the role as the man to take the streak and run with it.

So Koslov was brutally attacked by the Corr at axes and his condition may not be fit to compete at Wrestlemania..


Here's the shocking video..
http://www.twitvid.com/KPBCD

Time to roll that Diesel truck into the Georgia Dome! :D

[Hotwire]

From The Rock's Facebook page. Make me wish I still lived in Atlanta!

Team Bring It - ATLANTA - This Sunday morning (April 3rd) I'm personally hiding 2 Wrestlemania tickets somewhere in the city of Atlanta. Follow here for details - I will personally meet you when you find the tickets.. then you're going to Wrestlemania! Team Bring It Members Only. No Friut Loops allowed.

[Hotwire]

So Koslov was brutally attacked by the Corr at axes and his condition may not be fit to compete at Wrestlemania..


Here's the shocking video..
http://www.twitvid.com/KPBCD
And to think, just the other day, Nash said he would be taking his gear with him to Atlanta because, you never know what may happen. Someone may get hurt and not be able to compete.

Hmmmmm???

[SpideyVille]

Interesting little tease by HBK.

At this morning's WrestleMania Axxess Q&A session, Shawn Michaels teased involving himself in The Undertaker vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania XXVII tomorrow.

When asked about Triple H ending "The Streak," Michaels said, "I'm not sure I can let him do what I couldn't."

He then commented on whether he plans to interfere in the match, saying, "I'll do everything I can not to stick my nose in. Maybe."

He added, "Do you ever find that you're meanest to the people you love the most? If I ruined his chances of ending The Streak, I'm sure he'd beat the tar out of me at that moment, but I'm sure he'd forgive me eventually."

Michaels' role in the match has not been announced by WWE.http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/HBK_Teases_Interference_In_Taker-HHH_Match.php

[Hellion]

Something tells me Kong's gonna be in a Nicole Bass situation?

[Hotwire]

Something tells me Kong's gonna be in a Nicole Bass situation?
That's scary. Not what you're implying, but rather that you just conjured his, I mean, her image up in my mind.

[Specter313]

Diesel or Booker T will replace Koslov no doubt.

I was thinking Kofi but either of those could work.

I've already seen a report that it will be Kofi, which would make sense with his recent history with the Corre, especially Barrett taking the IC title.

[Hotwire]

I've already seen a report that it will be Kofi, which would make sense with his recent history with the Corre, especially Barrett taking the IC title.
I'm still crossing my fingers for Nash.

[Specter313]

Who eliminated Nash from the rumble? If it was Barrett or another member of the Corre, that might be used to explain it if he does wind up taking the spot.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I have to admit, metallo, this is the reason why I can never comprehend your argument.

On one hand, you say that a guy like the miz isn't credible to defend his title clean against cena, but that a guy like Kofi or wade Barrett will be credible in a years time to end undertakers wrestlemania streak.

Yea, I get that guys like Austin and the rock weren't seen as who they are now back then, but you're talking about stunning Steve Austin in wcw in 1991 compared to Shawn Michaels putting over stone cold Steve Austin in 1997, 6 years later. A year isn't enough time to build up a young guy like Kofi, ziggler, or Barrett to have the credibility to take out undertaker, which is why I say itd be stupid. The only guys worth ending the streak for are cena and Orton. Even as good as punk is, he's not the face of the wwe and he's not gonna carry the brand for the next decade like cena and Orton.

And cena and Orton dont particularly need the streak. Let undertaker keep it. Let someone end his career at another time. And if it does go to triple h, he doesn't need it, no, but he's the guy with the most credibility to be able to accomplish the feat.

Maybe in 6 years Kofi or ziggler will be able to hit Austin status (doubtful) but taker isn't gonna be around for 6 more manias and neither of them have the cred to do it next year

[bullets]

There's a cool video of Shawn , Triple H , Waltman and Nash all meeting up at fan axxes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ4aP-xjYnQ courtesy of WWEFan Nation.

[BlackLantern]

why was Waltman even there?? begging for a job? any job?

[Metallo]

why was Waltman even there?? begging for a job? any job?

He heard Sunny was there and wanted to score drugs...among other things.



I have to admit, metallo, this is the reason why I can never comprehend your argument.

On one hand, you say that a guy like the miz isn't credible to defend his title clean against cena, but that a guy like Kofi or wade Barrett will be credible in a years time to end undertakers wrestlemania streak.

Maybe you can't comprehend my argument because you can't get your facts straight. I never said a guy like Kofi or Wade Barrett. I said a young guy who could be the next potential star. Someone who is built up strong before they end the streak. Neither one of those guys have the total package right now and neither one has been built up strong right now.

A guy who is built up right the way a young Lesnar or young Taker or young Austin were.

Has Miz been built up at the level those guys were when they got the big push? No. Miz hasn't even been built up good enough to challenge Cena much less do anything else. Thats why I say he doesn't look credible enough to keep his title clean against Cena. And with the Rock in there those flaws are even more exposed.

Yea, I get that guys like Austin and the rock weren't seen as who they are now back then, but you're talking about stunning Steve Austin in wcw in 1991 compared to Shawn Michaels putting over stone cold Steve Austin in 1997, 6 years later. A year isn't enough time to build up a young guy like Kofi, ziggler, or Barrett to have the credibility to take out undertaker, which is why I say itd be stupid. I never said it needed to be done in a year. Do you have The Undertakers personal schedule on when he will retire? We have no idea whats going to happen in the future with him or who will come along with potential.

As for Austin even as late as 1994 people in WCW didn't see anything in him. But 4 years later he was the hottest star in the business.

The Rock was built up as a top guy within 2 or 3 years.

And Undertaker went from a big guy with talent in WCW to taking the strap off Hogan within a period of less than 2 years. You never know who is around the corner.


The only guys worth ending the streak for are cena and Orton. Even as good as punk is, he's not the face of the wwe and he's not gonna carry the brand for the next decade like cena and Orton.Thats probably because Punk isn't going to get the opportunity he should. If they gave Punk the ball and let him run with it as a top heel you'd probably be surprised at what he could do. Hes easily one of the best talents in the company despite WWE's weak booking.


And cena and Orton dont particularly need the streak. Let undertaker keep it. Let someone end his career at another time. And if it does go to triple h, he doesn't need it, no, but he's the guy with the most credibility to be able to accomplish the feat.Triple H already got his ass handed to him by Taker at Wrestlemania. WWE just wants us to forget that. He's one of the few that has credibility but we know Taker can beat him and that he probably will beat him come sunday. Cenas got more credibility to beat the streak than HHH has. Cenas beat both HHH and HBK at Wrestlemnia...two guys that have tried to end the streak and failed.


Maybe in 6 years Kofi or ziggler will be able to hit Austin status (doubtful) but taker isn't gonna be around for 6 more manias and neither of them have the cred to do it next yearYou really don't know what Taker is going to do. Especially if he continues to cut his time. Limited schedules have extended a lot of careers. For all we know Taker could begin to only work a few dates year.

[BlackLantern]

Punk vs. Orton....really the only match I'm interested in

[The Sage]

Interesting little tease by HBK.

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/HBK_Teases_Interference_In_Taker-HHH_Match.php

I knew it wasn't over, lol. :D

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If undertaker really can extend himself for a couple more manias then perhaps I can see a guy getting built to that level. But all speculation is that taker makes it to 20-0 and calls it quits. He's banged up.

And I never said anything about miz having the cred to take out taker. Its just not gonna be totally unconvincing to me if he goes over cena clean. Poor booking is always used as an excuse for punks lack of credibility, but never for miz.

[Hunter Rider]

If undertaker really can extend himself for a couple more manias then perhaps I can see a guy getting built to that level. But all speculation is that taker makes it to 20-0 and calls it quits. He's banged up.

And I never said anything about miz having the cred to take out taker. Its just not gonna be totally unconvincing to me if he goes over cena clean. Poor booking is always used as an excuse for punks lack of credibility, but never for miz.

Credibility in this instance is about believing someone could beat someone in a fight, Miz is a small guy with weak offense, no athletic skill, no submission skills and he isn't a tough brawler, so short of cheating there is no way to credibly put Miz over Cena.

[Metallo]

If undertaker really can extend himself for a couple more manias then perhaps I can see a guy getting built to that level. But all speculation is that taker makes it to 20-0 and calls it quits. He's banged up.

And I never said anything about miz having the cred to take out taker. Its just not gonna be totally unconvincing to me if he goes over cena clean. Poor booking is always used as an excuse for punks lack of credibility, but never for miz.

People have been speculating about Undertaker retiring for ten years and it hasn't happened yet. Maybe it'll happen soon and maybe it won't but if anybody can tough it out its him.

And I wasn't talking about Miz taking out taker I was talking about your comparisons of me saying Miz wasn't credible to beat Cena clean vs the credibility of a new top star to come along to be able to break the streak.

When Taker defeated Hogan he was built up steadily and given credibility. Same thing when Lesnar became champion. Same thing when Austin first captured the world title. Those are examples oof strong buildups of new stars. Those guys had the credibility to go up against greats that Miz just doesn't have right now.

Austin had a STEADY build before he won the world title and looked like a legitimate threat that could hang in the ring with anyone. Before he took the title from Michaels Austin had a legendary match with Bret Hart. What incredible matches has Miz put on that come close to that? That say he can hang with the top dogs in the company? Miz looks like a guy who would get Attitude Adjusted through the ring by Cena.

Like I said if Miz was around during Hogans time he wouldn't be fit enough to JOB to Hogan.

Punk has displayed superior talent to Miz DESPITE his poor booking. Thats why people give Punk the benefit of the doubt.

Punk is just as good if not better than Miz on the mic and in the ring its not even a comparison. Punk is 1000 times the wrestler Miz is.

[BlackLantern]

usually in wrestling, if a guy lacks something...he has something else to make up for it...guys that aren't big (Bret, Punk, so on) have the technical prowess and that balances things out...big guys have their size and power

the thing about Miz is that he is painfully average in every aspect of what it takes to be a pro wrestler

[Metallo]

usually in wrestling, if a guy lacks something...he has something else to make up for it...guys that aren't big (Bret, Punk, so on) have the technical prowess and that balances things out...big guys have their size and power

the thing about Miz is that he is painfully average in every aspect of what it takes to be a pro wrestler

Thats the problem with him. Besides mic work he doesn't do anything particularly well in the ring. He's not a great wrestler. He's not big. he's not exceptionally athletic.

I can think of VERY few main events guys who didn't have anything special about them in the ring.

In his prime Hogan wouldn't lift his leg to piss on Miz much less hit him with the big boot and the leg drop.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I wouldn't say miz isn't athletic. He might not be rey mysterio or the rock or something but he certainly has some moves in his arsenal that are pretty athletic.

On the mic, id disagree with the comparison to punk. I'll give punk the ring work but I like miz on the mic a thousand times more than punk. And im not the same guy that used to cringe when punk would grab the mic. Punks mic work really since he's been commentating and then came back from injury and feuded with cena have made him one of my top guys right now. But I think miz character work is by far the best of this new generation.

[Hunter Rider]

Punk's mic work is more akin to the Jake Robert's school of promo cutting, the Miz is like an angry little attitude era fan hocking catchphrases, but he's solid.

[BlackLantern]

not saying Miz isn't athletic....saying is he doesn't have that extra bit to be a "top guy"....he's basically Funaki...sure he has just enough to get the job done, but really isn't excelling at anything

[NDX]

He beat up Torrie?
It's that undershirt he always wore. Nicknamed a wifebeater for various reasons.

[Metallo]

Punk's mic work is more akin to the Jake Robert's school of promo cutting, the Miz is like an angry little attitude era fan hocking catchphrases, but he's solid.

Thats a good comparison. Difference between Punk and Miz is that Punk can cut a great phsycologically driven promo. Something with a lot of depth. And he can draw people in with it.

Miz can cut a decent deep promo but not nearly as well. Mos tof his stuff intended to annoy and sound snarky. Punk can cut his promos and not utter one single catchprase. He doesn't need them.

Basically Punk is a more diverse promo guy.


not saying Miz isn't athletic....saying is he doesn't have that extra bit to be a "top guy"....he's basically Funaki...sure he has just enough to get the job done, but really isn't excelling at anything

Compared to other wrestlers Miz is an average athlete. He's an average everything.

Compared to even undercard and midcard guys he's average. I think Funaki was a better pure athlete than the Miz. He doesn't have anything special about him in the ring.

A top guy shouldn't be average at EVERYTHING in the ring. Austin wasn't flashy but but he as as tough as they came. He could brawl like few others.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cuz he was booked that way. He was booked to be a tough mudhole stomping son of a *****.

You think they couldn't book the miz in a similar light and portray him as strong at whatever they wanted him to be?

[BlackLantern]

no....not at this point, the damage is already done

unless he magically develops some fantastic technique in the next year or so, he is always going to be seen as a guy who just isn't good enough

[Hunter Rider]

It's that undershirt he always wore. Nicknamed a wifebeater for various reasons.

:hehe:

Thats a good comparison. Difference between Punk and Miz is that Punk can cut a great phsycologically driven promo. Something with a lot of depth. And he can draw people in with it.

Miz can cut a decent deep promo but not nearly as well. Mos tof his stuff intended to annoy and sound snarky. Punk can cut his promos and not utter one single catchprase. He doesn't need them.

Basically Punk is a more diverse promo guy.

I wonder if the feud with Raven in ROH influenced Punk towards the Jake style, as I always recall Roddy Piper being touted as his influence and idol when he was a kid.

[Metallo]

Cuz he was booked that way. He was booked to be a tough mudhole stomping son of a *****.

You think they couldn't book the miz in a similar light and portray him as strong at whatever they wanted him to be?

He was booked as a badass but he looked CREDIBLE doing it. Thats what you don't get.

Austin IS a tough guy. That has nothing to do with booking. During his WHOLE run as a top guy he was hurting with DEBILITATING injuries but he still had a tough brawling style and IGNORED his pair. Because he WAS tough. He was allowed to do that because he could pull it off.

Booking has nothing to do with a guys in ring style and HOW they pull it off. If Miz WAS better he would BE better. And they'd let him show it

Do you think they BOOK Evan Bourne to be a high flyer and he can automatically do it? Do you think Daniel Bryan is TOLD to go out there and be a technical wrestler? They book around what these guys can do. If a guy can do something they let them do it.

They let Justin Gabriel go out there and do what he does because he showed he could do it well. Miz isn't booked as a badass brawler because he can't pull it off like Austin or Piper. Otherwise he'd be doing it.

They don't script EVERY little move Miz does in the ring. Do you think they tell Miz "Hey Miz I want you to throw a punch and make it look less intense?"

[Hunter Rider]

I know I'm gonna regret this but I just ordered Wrestlemania. :(

Cuz he was booked that way. He was booked to be a tough mudhole stomping son of a *****.

You think they couldn't book the miz in a similar light and portray him as strong at whatever they wanted him to be?

No because nothing about him suggests credible fighter, just look at Austin, he oozed tough guy, Rock was an athletic specimen straight out of the loins of the wrestling gods, with Miz you have a guy who looks like an escaped member of the mean street posse, no matter how you book him no one is gonna buy into him as anything other than a sneaky rat.

[Metallo]

I wonder if the feud with Raven in ROH influenced Punk towards the Jake style, as I always recall Roddy Piper being touted as his influence and idol when he was a kid.

Its possible. I think Punk is probably like a sponge when it comes to wrestling. You can tell which guys he really gravitates towards as influence but I think he's probably learned from every great promo he's every heard.

I hear a little bit of Raven, Foley, Roberts, and a few other guys in his promos. The cool thing about him is that he takes all that and makes it all his own. Unlike the Miz who is just trying to do warmed over Rock half the time.

[BlackLantern]

Punks promos, or the tone of them, also have a bit of Mr. Perfect in them too

[Metallo]

I know I'm gonna regret this but I just ordered Wrestlemania. :(

Nothign wrong with that. I think Rey and Cody or Punk and Orton could deliver strong matches...and HBK alone now has me interested in what exactly will happen during HHH vs Taker.


No because nothing about him suggests credible fighter, just look at Austin, he oozed tough guy, Rock was an athletic specimen straight out of the loins of the wrestling gods, with Miz you have a guy who looks like an escaped member of the mean street posse, no matter how you book him no one is gonna buy into him as anything other than a sneaky rat.

:lmao:

[Nemi]

I know I'm gonna regret this but I just ordered Wrestlemania. :(



No because nothing about him suggests credible fighter, just look at Austin, he oozed tough guy, Rock was an athletic specimen straight out of the loins of the wrestling gods, with Miz you have a guy who looks like an escaped member of the mean street posse, no matter how you book him no one is gonna buy into him as anything other than a sneaky rat.

:lmao: Great now i'm trying to picture him in a sweatervest and khakis.

[Twitch]

I wonder if the feud with Raven in ROH influenced Punk towards the Jake style, as I always recall Roddy Piper being touted as his influence and idol when he was a kid.

I sometimes forget how diverse CM Punk's indy career was before he caught his break in WWE. He feuded with most of TNA's current young guns and he had a verbal feud with Steamboat. Makes me wonder what the scene would be if he ever buys TNA.

Vince: Joe, this is CM Punk
Punk: Um, Vince I already know Joe pretty well, in fact we had MOTY honors in 2004.
Vince: :dry:, that's cool....have you met AJ?
CM Punk: Yeah, I wrestled him too
Vince: Oh well, gentlemen I'll just leave you to it....:dry:

It makes me chuckle when I think of it like that :o

[BlackLantern]

that's probably how it would happen....by many peoples interviews, Vince pays NO attention to any other companies, usually its others that bring talent to his attention

[Hotwire]

There's a cool video of Shawn , Triple H , Waltman and Nash all meeting up at fan axxes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ4aP-xjYnQ courtesy of WWEFan Nation.
Hmm, Nash has his hair dyed Diesel black again!!!

[Twitch]

that's probably how it would happen....by many peoples interviews, Vince pays NO attention to any other companies, usually its others that bring talent to his attention

oh yeah there's no denying that this supposed conversation might eventually happen :yay::csad:

[Scar Predator]

Scar Predator, great collection. Did you grab your title belts from the Jakks toys? They started making much better belt accessories with the Deluxe Aggression line. Even though they used parts that were horribl out of scale for certain wrestlers.

Yes, I buy Jakks belts or belt lots on Ebay. I currently have 60 loose HBKs (and several MOC ones) and one of my goals is to get a title belt for each one. I'm more focused on that and custom attire than getting more figs. I'm also looking for a decent display cabinet.

Mattel has come out with a couple of decent to-scale belts but the 1/1000 ones were horrid from an aesthetic standpoint. One release that I'm anticipating is the Rockers, of course, but they are in limbo right now.

[Hotwire]

I sometimes forget how diverse CM Punk's indy career was before he caught his break in WWE.
Hehehe, yeah. Hell, CM originally stood for Chick Magnet.

[Scar Predator]

Thats a good comparison. Difference between Punk and Miz is that Punk can cut a great phsycologically driven promo. Something with a lot of depth. And he can draw people in with it.

Miz can cut a decent deep promo but not nearly as well. Mos tof his stuff intended to annoy and sound snarky. Punk can cut his promos and not utter one single catchprase. He doesn't need them.

Basically Punk is a more diverse promo guy.




.

I prefer Punk to Miz as well but Punk's physique has been an unfortunate stumbling block. Vince was reportedly calling him "string-bean" upon his arrival, which may have had something to do with his short depush on ECW. Punk's promos and in-ring storytelling have gotten him his main event spot but if he was slightly more muscular ( like Miz), he would have been WWE's focal point for the last 2 1/2 years.

[BlackLantern]

yes...that is my point, what he may lack in size, he def makes up for in promo and in ring ability

the Miz has none of those attributes

[Scar Predator]

yes...that is my point, what he may lack in size, he def makes up for in promo and in ring ability

the Miz has none of those attributes

Miz is a little more muscular and defined ala HBK in his prime. He's improved in the ring by leaps and bounds and his promo ability has become more upper tier. However, like Sheamus and Swagger before him, I won't be surprised if Miz is sent back to the mid card/outskirts of the title picture.

WWE could have made the next megastar with Punk starting after his title win over Jeff Hardy. Instead, they fed to him the aging Undertaker and the status quo reigned again in WWE. And the CT wonders why it isn't ready for the future?

[NDX]

:lmao: Great now i'm trying to picture him in a sweatervest and khakis.
I think he needs to add that to his gimmick now.

[Marx]

Was this year's HOF not broadcast? :huh:

[NDX]

Was this year's HOF not broadcast? :huh:
Monday before Raw. Which I'll gladly miss for work.

[Heretic]

The HOF is being broadcast right before Raw on Monday.

[Scar Predator]

The HOF is being broadcast right before Raw on Monday.

Did they ever do an on-air segment for Abdullah the Butcher? I saw the .com vid but I can't remember seeing anything on Raw or Smackdown/