Does the new trilogy add depth to the Old Trilogy?

[bhayes]

Just a question.

i think we all agree that the star wars prequel trilogy really didn't add depth to the old one.

the biggest issue is continuity.

i mean there are so many inconsistentcies that its slightly frustrating.

the film is clearly trying to bring back the styling of x men 2. but in x men 2 hank mcoy is human.

orgins has emma as teen. Here emma is in her 30's.

so First Class retconns orgins and x3 but it ignores the inconsistent aspects of x2 and x1.

so i guess these films only add depth to magneto and professor x.

as long as they end up on the path visually by the time they reach the 3rd film. they're good.

i say we need to see a young cyclops, jean and storm and mystique at some point gives birth to nightcrawler, and magneto forms the brotherhood.

[huzzah]

At least with Star Wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and DVD.

In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.

[BMM]

I’m sure once Magneto finds Shaw he’ll forgive the Nazi’s for exterminating his family and forget the Holocaust ever happened. Something like that really shouldn't shape how one views the world's treatment of minorities at all.

[PsyJ]

orgins has emma as teen. Here emma is in her 30's


The Emma in Origins was basically "Emma Silverfox". It was just a short throwaway cameo of a composite character that had Emma Frost's powers and first name but wasn't really Emma Frost. I think it's best to think of the Emmas as two seperate characters which they essentially are.

BTW when was it ever stated or even implied that the character was meant to be a teenager? The actress was in her 20's and to me she looked like she was 20 something. Seriously, if she was supposed to be a "teenager" then that was a really sun damaged and prematurely aged teenager.

[Angamb]

to answer the question of the topic, of couse it does.

This prequel tells the origin of Xavier, Erik, Mystique, Beast and the events they lived in the 60's, so the answer was kind of obvious.

So the next time we'll watch X1, X2 or X3 we'll know much more info about their pasts.

I like the idea.

[Crockett]

Well I'm not sure about X3. I think there will be some issues that'll happen in First Class that contradict with what happened in X3, the opening scene is one I could think of. I don't mind since besides Grammer's Beast there wasn't so much goood things with that movie.

[succumbtofear]

X3 will probably be the one film that First Class has very little if anything to do with at all. With Singer involved in FC as the producer and since the treatment is based on his idea, I'm only thinking of this as a prequel of sorts to X1 and 2.

While I'm sure this might seem absurd to some, to be honest, I'm not totally against the idea of just scrapping The Last Stand as part of the trilogy continuity...

With how fast films are getting remakes and reboots, re-imaginings and such, it's been five years since TLS... How about instead of X4, we just let Singer come back in and make the third film he intended to make as a complete trilogy? That's the X3 I'd care about seeing an X4-sequel to.

[Lord]

His original idea would make x-men a tetralogy instead of a trilogy with x-3 and 4 shot back-to-back.

[Crockett]

I just can't see Singer continuing doing more X-Men movies in the future though, maybe it's possible with one more from him but otherwise I'm thinking he's going to limit his involvement to just producing the movies.

[huzzah]

Right now I dont think First Class ties in with X1...

[bhayes]

eithe way it looks like a great movie. its a reboot and a prequel. its confusing but cool nonetheless

[Angamb]

I just can't see Singer continuing doing more X-Men movies in the future though, maybe it's possible with one more from him but otherwise I'm thinking he's going to limit his involvement to just producing the movies.

Bryan created this franchise, he spent like 6 years with the x-men...

He was going to direct First Class, we shouldnt forget that.

so, do you really think he has come back just to produce?

He is a director after all, and he loves the x-men, so he surely wants to direct a future sequel.

[Crockett]

Bryan created this franchise, he spent like 6 years with the x-men...

He was going to direct First Class, we shouldnt forget that.

so, do you really think he has come back just to produce?

He is a director after all, and he loves the x-men, so he surely wants to direct a future sequel.

You think he wants to only direct X-Men movies? As much as I admire his great job with the X-Men movies you have to embrace fresh approach in a franchise, sure it's a plus if he has some input here and there but Singer wants to also direct movies outside the X-Men franchise.

[Alientraveller]

In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.

In X-Men, Magneto didn't hate humans, he wanted to achieve peace in a twisted way to prove himself smarter than Xavier after these pacifist sermons in FC. After being tortured by Stryker and nearly witnessing a genocide in X2, Magneto decides it's time to start playing by their rules and becomes the megalomaniac of the third film.

[Wolverine1988]

At least with Star Wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and DVD.

In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.


Right, and it's his hate towards the Nazis and Shaw that make him generalize that humans are bad.

Besides if this does turn out to be a trilogy , than we would obviously see him over the next couple films grow into the Magneto we see in the old trilogy.

[chaseter]

Really...another continuity thread?

This movie along with X1 and X2 makes a trilogy. X3 and Wolverine can go off and be in their own little club for all I care.

Also...don't mistake easter eggs for continuity.

[Genosha]

I'm trying not to get bogged down in continuity issues in the series.
I could understand if the films were all planned out from the beginning, but they weren't. I just feel really fortunate to be able to witness 5 films of my favorite series.

[Angamb]

You think he wants to only direct X-Men movies?

do you really think I think so? :woot:

Of course not.

I said he surely wants to direct another sequel, not 10 more x-men movies.

Again, he was going to direct First Class.

if he decided to write and direct it, it just means he wanted to.

but Jack the Giant killer made him to stay only as a producer.

Im sure he wants to direct at least one more sequel, and hopefully for most of us, X4 or somekind of sequel to the main trilogy, wheter it takes place one of six years after The last stand.

[The Cocreator]

It's very clear that he'll probably make X-4 and 5 shot-back to back, and if this happens then it will be really cool.

[Angamb]

only cool??

I think they would be the best movies of the whole franchise, and two of the best superhero movies of the whole time.

not a fan perspective.

[Blader5489]

at least with star wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and dvd.

In first class i can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with shaw/schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.

IT'S NOT A REBOOT.

Vaughn and Singer have repeatedly and explicitly said that this is a prequel, not a reboot.

[Crockett]

Im sure he wants to direct at least one more sequel, and hopefully for most of us, X4 or somekind of sequel to the main trilogy, wheter it takes place one of six years after The last stand.

I knew that he was originally attached to First Class as a director before joining as just producer but what I meant in my first post is that it's possible that he'll return (and I'm sure he wants to) to at least direct one more in the future, after that I can't see him directing more X-Men movies.

[Dew k. Mosi]

We don't need Russian spambots trying to sell us Viagra and Cialis (thanks Google Translate!)

[Angamb]

I knew that he was originally attached to First Class as a director before joining as just producer but what I meant in my first post is that it's possible that he'll return (and I'm sure he wants to) to at least direct one more in the future, after that I can't see him directing more X-Men movies.

who knows?

maybe he wont, maybe he will.

If he loves the x-men universe, and enjoyed directing X1 and X2, he could want to make at least two sequels.

If you look at his latest movies, he only has done Superman Returns, Valkiria, and now Jack The Giant Killer.

Its like he hasnt found a clear direction. He could have done one more independent film, but he hasnt, why?... that's an interesting question, Id say.

I think he wants to have his own franchise, so the X-men one is the most possible one, having came back to Fox and the x-men movies.

[huzzah]

IT'S NOT A REBOOT.

Vaughn and Singer have repeatedly and explicitly said that this is a prequel, not a reboot.

Heh, we'll see.

I think they also said it takes liberties here and there with all of the previous films.

[Blader5489]

Heh, we'll see.

I think they also said it takes liberties here and there with all of the previous films.

Yes, it does. That doesn't make it a reboot though.

[Spidey 2007]

only cool??

I think they would be the best movies of the whole franchise, and two of the best superhero movies of the whole time.

not a fan perspective.

I agree. They can bring Cyclops back. Retconning everything that happened in X3 is possible to where it makes sense.

Id say scrap the next wolverine movie and pile all the money into an X4.

Jackman and Stewart would be game for another, Marsden once said he would do it for free, who cares about Halle, replace her ass. They could get Anna back for rogue, get her in some action, shes a big girl now! shed be an AMAZING traditional rogue! Then we got Ian McKellen, Im not sure if he'd still want to do an X-men, So id say continue without Magneto.

They can get everyone back and form an actual fleshed out, developed X-team, instead of the thrown together ass-garbage we got in X3. Lets actually get some character development out of Colossus!

Bring on Apocalypse, the end all be all Villian, go out with a bang, like X3 was SUPPOSE to. Im sure people will be forgiving if Singer is back, and is able to freely make his vision. Im glad we're getting first class... as much as I hate fox and wish they didn't have the X property, I hope first class does REALLY REALLY well, so we can get more singer/vaughn involvement along with giving them more time/freedom and such.

Then we can get a sequel to First Class that mimics what X2 was to X-men 1!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Lets hope this all comes to pass, I for one am amazed and grateful Singer has come back to this franchise, and the invovlement of Vaughn as well just gives me more excitement, really hope this movie is as amazing as it looks and we can get more awesome X-Movies.

[Angamb]

Bryan has said he likes to produces movies too, but Im sure he really wants to direct a new x-men movie, but it seems he doesnt want to say how excited he is.

But if he has came back to Fox and wrote the story of First Class, and was going to direct it, he really wants it.

So lets hope Fox sign him for X4, not for a First Class sequel. Im sure Fox will sign Matthew again for the sequel, so Singer will have to wait for the big proyect some more time.

[marvelrobbins]

Bryan Singer's latest Interview has me thinking they may be reconning certain things from Last Stand(The entire opening scene of still walking Xavier and Magneto finding
Young Jean grey,Moira Mactaggert) Instead of outright Ignoring It like WOlverine.Although we may not know for sure 100 percent till at least we see First Class
class or untill the time comes for X4 or the First Class sequel.

The first Class actors are signed for 2 more films.If It goes to trilogy we may not see the opening of the school and teenage Cyclops and Jean Grey till third film If second class Is set In the 70's and then last chaper set In 80's.Magneto might not be In Second class.They might hold off using him and early version of brotherhood till third and final part of trilogy.Mystique also might be missing from second film If she leaves with Magneto at end of First Class and If the bried shot of Magneto In costune from behind shows him rescuring Emma Frost she might also not be used till third film.Second film could be more of Xavier and protype X-men team VS Shaw

With Wolverine being Ignored they have opotion of using Gambit and Blob In a first CLass sequel or X4.

If second class were to be set In 1970's the problem they would have as a Prequel Is In that timeframe they would mostly be Limited to characters from First Class and newer characters.And If they decede to hold off on using Magneto,Mystique,and Emma Frost
again till final part of trilogy theat further puts limitians on them.And could they get away
with doing 2 films before getting to peroid and characters fans want to see.

[marvelrobbins]

Bryan has said he likes to produces movies too, but Im sure he really wants to direct a new x-men movie, but it seems he doesnt want to say how excited he is.

But if he has came back to Fox and wrote the story of First Class, and was going to direct it, he really wants it.

So lets hope Fox sign him for X4, not for a First Class sequel. Im sure Fox will sign Matthew again for the sequel, so Singer will have to wait for the big proyect some more time.

My bet Is It Is bryan Singer who came up with the outline that was pitched
to Fox and that has put X4 In Devolpment.

My feeling Is he will likely produce the First Class trilogy and that Matthew Vaughn IS likely to direct.I am very curicous to hear more during the First Class promation what Is being planned for future.Does X4 change the plans for First Class trilogy.Will they try to do both?

When we see the next team film will be determented by when exactly are
The Wolverine and X-Men Origins:Deadpool targeted for release.Deadpool has director.Lauren Shuller Donner has hinted at 2012 filming for deadpool.Hugh
Jackman has said they are looking at starting up The Wolverine filming In October after they find a new director.If X4 goes forward as next team film after First Class when The Wolverine Is done could affect that as Hugh will likely want a break between doing Wolverine after finishing The WOlverine especilly If they do X4 and X5 as back to back productions.

[Angamb]

The first Class actors are signed for 2 more films.If It goes to trilogy we may not see the opening of the school and teenage Cyclops and Jean Grey till third film If second class Is set In the 70's and then last chaper set In 80's.Magneto might not be In Second class.They might hold off using him and early version of brotherhood till third and final part of trilogy.Mystique also might be missing from second film If she leaves with Magneto at end of First Class and If the bried shot of Magneto In costune from behind shows him rescuring Emma Frost she might also not be used till third film.Second film could be more of Xavier and protype X-men team VS Shaw

If second class were to be set In 1970's the problem they would have as a Prequel Is In that timeframe they would mostly be Limited to characters from First Class and newer characters.And If they decede to hold off on using Magneto,Mystique,and Emma Frost
again till final part of trilogy theat further puts limitians on them.And could they get away
with doing 2 films before getting to peroid and characters fans want to see.

do you really think Fox wont use Michael, Jennifer and January for the sequel??

They signed these actors because they want to keep them and their characters, so if they do two more sequels, they will be there again.

Its like signing Halle, Anna Paquin and co. for X1, and forgeting about them on X2.

Fox want a new trilogy, so they will use the main stars of this prequel all they can.

[marvelrobbins]

Creativly they might not want to use the first version of the Brotherhood till they get
to point Xavier opens school and we get teenage versions of Cyclops and Jean Grey.

Of course an easy way to Include them all would be to jump to the 1980's for Second class.

Doing second Class set In 1970's with early version of Brotherhood or Xavier opening school then Is bound to get a whole lot of hell on boards.

[SuperSoldier985]

Really...another continuity thread?

This movie along with X1 and X2 makes a trilogy. X3 and Wolverine can go off and be in their own little club for all I care.

Also...don't mistake easter eggs for continuity.
This.

[docdoc]

Bryan has said he likes to produces movies too, but Im sure he really wants to direct a new x-men movie, but it seems he doesnt want to say how excited he is.

But if he has came back to Fox and wrote the story of First Class, and was going to direct it, he really wants it.

So lets hope Fox sign him for X4, not for a First Class sequel. Im sure Fox will sign Matthew again for the sequel, so Singer will have to wait for the big proyect some more time.

i rekcon it's the best way, yet we once excited about how Sam Raimi making another new spidey trilogy until things went wayyy wrong, some how i have a feeling that things with FOX is even more unstable than SONY....X4 is always little bit more impossible than Spider-man 4 to me.