Thor News and Pics Thread: Impending Super Bowl Spot Edition - Part 4

[antonydelfini]

The review was not written intelligently, but I respect his opinions. The problem with his review is that he was unable to express clearly why the movie isn't good, but fun. Anyways, I'll have my own opinion on this after I watch the movie.

[BigThor]

He also act's as if it's 'exactly' like every other comic book movie.

Yeah, he acts like like every comic book movie has a "god" that loses his powers at the point in the film where superheroes usually get their powers.

I'm pretty sure there's not that many superhero films with as big of a emphasis on family dynamics and the relationship between two brothers.

[RetroNaz]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

First off, the AICN talkbackers are indeed a bunch of whingers, so I agree with the general consensus that this film is probably wasted on that guy, hence the 'review'.

However, a film can be fun ......... but not be good. If that makes sense. It can be fun to watch, with lots of special effects, action, a variety of sets, interesting and varied characters, costumes, etc. But it can still be a badly made film despite this; perhaps the story is full of holes, the pacing is off, the acting is dodgy in places, there's no buildup and climax at the end of the film, poorly conceived motivations for characters, etc.

On the flipside, a film can also be good but not fun. The Dark Knight is not what what I call a 'fun' film, but it's one hell of a film.

Nonetheless we'll make up our own mind when we see Thor.

I dunno man, if I walk out of a film with all of those issues, whatever "fun" I had watching special effects would be lost on me.

[RetroNaz]

That AICN link takes me to the Scream 4 review lol.
I can't find the Thor review at all ?

[Brian Braddock]

Fella on AICN thought it was bad but better than Iron Man 2?

Cool - I loved Iron Man 2 so logically I should find Thor to be brilliant.

[High Voltage]

So apparently the theater I work at got a 100% on a secret shopper report, which is incredibly ****ing hard to do. So the managers are going to have an employee incentive pre-screening for Thor the Wednesday night before it comes out that Friday. Should be pretty cool. :up:

At the cinema where i work, we usually always have a staff showing of a big film before its released to the general public. Our general manager said she is already certain we'll have one for Thor next week on Sunday (the 24th) the day before it's Easter Monday release. So i'm pretty f***ing psyched! :woot:

[hatebox]

It sounds as if the poster didn't exactly 'get' the movie.

Let's not start saying that after every middling to negative review. It might be a good movie but it won't be for everyone.

[BigThor]

Let's not start saying that after every middling to negative review. It might be a good movie but it won't be for everyone.

True, but that guy did seemed a bit "lost", calling Loki "creepy" was a perfect example.

[hatebox]

The impression I got was that he mostly didn't care for the discrepancy between the fantasy and comedic elements - that could be something quite a few critics aren't taken by, but we'll see. If most people find it to be a 'fun' movie then it's done its job.

[Vartha]

"The movie was fun and I liked it but it wasn't a good movie"

That's exactly why aint it cool talkbackers are dumb in a nutshell

I found Indy 4 cool, what the heck kind of movie does he like?

[Vartha]

I think there's ONE poster over at AICN I LIKE and that Moriarty.

[Chewy]

Let's not start saying that after every middling to negative review. It might be a good movie but it won't be for everyone.
He said he liked it, so it was for him. The issue I see here is his wording. Through the review itself he very clearly expressed that he liked it and thought it was fun, but then refused to acknowledge it as good.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This is one of the reaosns why I don't like to view AICN's reviews. They always seem one sided.

[hatebox]

I found Indy 4 cool, what the heck kind of movie does he like?

If you like Indy 4 you'll like anything. :cwink:

[hatebox]

He said he liked it, so it was for him. The issue I see here is his wording. Through the review itself he very clearly expressed that he liked it and thought it was fun, but then refused to acknowledge it as good.

His wording was bad - overall I read it as him basically enjoying the movie but noting that it has some significant flaws.

[Crimson King]

It's a summer comic book movie; there will always be people that don't like it and that's fine. I don't happen to trust this guy's opinion, though, because he comes off as someone who's predisposed to not liking the genre. Loki being creepy is a complaint? The after-credits scene not referencing Avengers? He's clearly out of his element.

Some people get off on being the first naysayer. I'm more inclined to trust the audience at ShoWest and they were blown away by what they saw.

[Vartha]

If you like Indy 4 you'll like anything. :cwink:
heh not really I didn't like Temple of doom. lol

[RetroNaz]

Same. Temple of Doom was boring imo.

[The Morningstar]

Interesting review. Personally the one thing i've been worrying about for this film is the Earth scenes, and that is what the guy mainly criticizes.

But then, he says it's predictable, and goes into detail about the plot... and it sounds nothing like any other superhero movie, ever. So how is it predictable?

Strange.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't get the criticism of an origin film being predictable. Sure, it's formulaic, but setting something up usually is. These are straightforward. If they're excuted well I'm not going to complain. IM, SM, and BB are ideal origin films to me. They all follow a formula in some way, but still feel different and their own thing and they're executed well.

[The Morningstar]

That's the thing though, reading what he has to say, it doesn't really sound like any other superhero origin movie i've ever seen. I dunno, seemed like he was kinda contradicting himself a bit.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://tnij.org/leq3

[JAK®]

We haven't had a film like B89 in a long time, where the superhero is introduced as being active, with the origin being shown in flashbacks. I think The Flash could benefit from a structure like that (so he could already have The Rouges)

[TheComicbookKid]

"I found the movie rather predictable"

But then, he says it's predictable, and goes into detail about the plot... and it sounds nothing like any other superhero movie, ever. So how is it predictable?

Strange.

1. The review said it was a predictable movie in general. Not a predictable superhero movie. I took that to mean you can guess what is going to happen next easily. Not that it's ripping off other superhero movie plot points.


2. Formulaic and predictable don't necessarily occupy the same area. A formula can be applied to any number of areas. The lighting(westerns always have golden-brownish lighting etc) or the general plot(brother against brother for the throne) to action beats. Predictable could just mean that everything set up resolves exactly the way it's set up to.

[piccolo]

Loved Iron Man, didn't really care for Iron Man 2. So I seem to have the same tastes as this guy, which means at the least I know i'll like Thor better than IM2. Count in that he knows nothing about Thor and the geek factor should make it a little better.

Awaiting more reviews, especially from comic afficionados. Anyone here who gets to see it in the next week or so, don't hold back.

[piccolo]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

First off, the AICN talkbackers are indeed a bunch of whingers, so I agree with the general consensus that this film is probably wasted on that guy, hence the 'review'.

However, a film can be fun ......... but not be good. If that makes sense. It can be fun to watch, with lots of special effects, action, a variety of sets, interesting and varied characters, costumes, etc. But it can still be a badly made film despite this; perhaps the story is full of holes, the pacing is off, the acting is dodgy in places, there's no buildup and climax at the end of the film, poorly conceived motivations for characters, etc.

On the flipside, a film can also be good but not fun. The Dark Knight is not what what I call a 'fun' film, but it's one hell of a film.

Nonetheless we'll make up our own mind when we see Thor.

Exactly. I know what the guy is talking about, the 2nd Punisher movie was pretty bad plot and script wise, but I loved every second of it. Definitely a difference between fun and good, though they are not mutually exclusive.

[Compi716]

I think there's ONE poster over at AICN I LIKE and that Moriarty.

Moriarty sadly isn't at AICN anymore. He does the Motion/Captured blog at HitFix.com.

[kedrell]

heh not really I didn't like Temple of doom. lol

I liked Temple of Doom but hated Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Anyway, the guy pretty early on shoots himself in the foot, credibility-wise when he says IJ4 is 'universaly panned'. Bull***t! TF2 was 'universaly panned' or nearly so. IJ4 has a 77% fresh RT score(I know, I don't understand why either:whatever:). Ya gotta love internet fanboys who claim their views are the ONLY views there are or that really matter. To me the guy instantly came off as a typical AICN guy, and that's not a good thing.

[Cth]

I find it pretty complicated to believe people when they say that "The movie is fun, but it's not good." How can a movie be bad if it's deemed as fun? Shouldn't that count as a good thing? We live in a world where people enjoy something that is 'fun'.

Tell that to people who can't fathom why others enjoy Bay's Transformer franchise :D

[kedrell]

"I found the movie rather predictable"


1. The review said it was a predictable movie in general. Not a predictable superhero movie. I took that to mean you can guess what is going to happen next easily. Not that it's ripping off other superhero movie plot points.


2. Formulaic and predictable don't necessarily occupy the same area. A formula can be applied to any number of areas. The lighting(westerns always have golden-brownish lighting etc) or the general plot(brother against brother for the throne) to action beats. Predictable could just mean that everything set up resolves exactly the way it's set up to.

Personally, I don't mind predictable so long as the ride is fun. I'd be hard pressed to think of any movie other than some David Fincher mind-***k type that wasn't predictable.

[Rock Sexton]

Honestly, that review is about what I expected from critics. He's not trashing the movie by any means ..... but the romance between Portman, the Earth scenes, the comedic elements .... these were all things we've been talking about since the movie went into production.

The reviewer still had fun at the movie, which is all I care about.

[Rock Sexton]

Personally, I don't mind predictable so long as the ride is fun. I'd be hard pressed to think of any movie other than some David Fincher mind-***k type that wasn't predictable.

Ya, I mean think about Iron Man or Iron Man 2. Were you ever sitting there going "Oh my God! I seriously don't know what's gonna happen!!!!" .... not a chance.

[S.A.A.D.]

Let's not start saying that after every middling to negative review. It might be a good movie but it won't be for everyone.

Huh? That review (the one that the AICN poster put up) is the only one that came out that is on the negative side. :huh:

Actually in retrospect, the review wasn't too good, I mean the guy barely talk's about the movie by not doing much to 'articulate' why he "sort of" liked it and why he didn't think that it was 'good'. Too much of it came off as 'filler' imo, and yes, I know that he wasn't thrilled over the excessive comedy. The only things that he praised are the scenes that involve Asgard, watching Thor, and watching Jane Foster. That make's it very hard to believe that he sort of 'liked' the movie, his praise doesn't add up to much.

[kedrell]

Ya, I mean think about Iron Man or Iron Man 2. Were you ever sitting there going "Oh my God! I seriously don't know what's gonna happen!!!!" .... not a chance.

Any superhero movie, really. Hero's gonna prevail and the villain's gonna lose. That's they way it goes. About the only one that was diferent in any real way was Watchmen, but then the less said about that disappointment the better.

[Gunga Diner]

The tone is going to be the dividing point for this movie. Kenneth Brannagh clearly wanted to make a fun, accessible movie with some levity to it, and it's clear that the movie spends a long time on the "fish out of water" type humor that comes from Thor trying to fit into normal human society.

Now, this reviewer from AICN used "comedic" as a synonym for "bad," and I don't always agree with that. But there are two different types of "I don't like it because it's humorous on purpose" reactions. One of them is the kind that you would have with a movie like The Spirit or Transformers 1 and 2, where the comedy isn't funny, slows down the plot, and clashes with the parts of the story that are taken seriously. The other kind is the JJ Star Trek kind, where the writers and director are trying to add levity and humor, and the fans want something darker and more serious.

I hope THOR is the latter of the two, obviously. I have little to no familiarity with Thor as a character, but I'm going to watch it with an open mind. But I can definitely understand that it could be awkward to watch Kenneth Branagh try to capture the pop fun of Iron Man in a way that comes of as forced and unnatural.

[Carlo Comicus]

Press conference today in Rome.

[Doctor Jones]

I'd hate to be touring like that. What a pain in the ass it sounds. Traveling from country to country and answering the same damn questions. Sure the sights are great, but you're going their solely for press.

[meltdown28]

The guys review seemed a bit hypocritical to me. Its really no worry though, I dont ever base m opinion on any movie I havent seen. Seems sort of stupid to take someone elses word for it.

[RachelDawes]

So we have one negative fan review and people are thoroughly trashing the critic? Not surprised to see it. Heaven forbid someone not like some movie this board is looking forward to. I'm sure if he'd said "Thor was the bestest movie evah!!!" his review wouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny. :dry:

I'm not going to get my underwear in a bunch over what this guy thinks. He found the movie predictable and didn't like the Earth scenes? Fine. He did say Thor was better than IM2, and since IM2 was flawed but definitely enjoyable Thor must be good.

[Whiskey Tango]

So we have one negative fan review and people are thoroughly trashing the critic? Not surprised to see it. Heaven forbid someone not like some movie this board is looking forward to. I'm sure if he'd said "Thor was the bestest movie evah!!!" his review wouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny. :dry:

What an amazing well-written movie review from some guy over at what's-it-called dot com! Entertaining AND informative! I could never have braved the theater alone without that guy's opinion to guide me through the darkness! And he isn't even a professional! Isn't that amazing? Holy crap, how did I ever get this far in life without that dude's totally awesome reviews to help me with my struggles? Sometimes when life gives me lemons, I say **** the lemonade, gimme one of dudemuffin's freakin ace movie reviews instead because reading one of those in my worst days is all it takes to overcome any obstacle that life hurls my way!

There, that oughtta balance things out.

[Nirvana]

Do they do screenings only when you guys do good on a secret shopping report? At my movie theater, we don't operate like that.

No, we get to see free movies whenever just not on opening weekend. The floor staff employees (me) don't get to pre-screen movies.

[Flemm]

I thought it was a good negative review. Not "good" as in particularly well-written or thought-out, but "good" as in it is the type of lukewarm/negative review that a lot of very entertaining, successful and, yes, very good movies of this type provoke.

[Chewy]

I thought it was a good negative review. Not "good" as in particularly well-written or thought-out, but "good" as in it is the type of lukewarm/negative review that a lot of very entertaining, successful and, yes, very good movies of this type provoke.
Agreed. If this is what an overly critical fanboy who went into the movie thinking they'd hate it thinks of the movie then I'd say it's a win for the movie.

[Flemm]

^ Right. Of course, even from that point of view, it is only one review. But basically, if the debate about the film is mainly about whether the film should be considered "good" or merely "entertaining," then that is an excellent place to start. Obviously, I would like to see some "is it good or great?" debates as well when all is said and done, but good vs. entertaining is not bad either :cwink:

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/15/thor-foo-fighters-take-a-walk-with-marvel-film/?dlvrit=63378 = Nice song!

[kedrell]

Well I'd say that I have seen many films which are not good but they still were entertaining. But I have yet to see a film that wasn't entertaining and yet managed to be good. To me, entertainment is the ultimate end. If your movie wasn't entertaining then as far as I'm concerned it was a bad movie. But if it was entertaining then it simply becomes a question of how well it was all put together and whether the pluses outnumber/outweigh the minuses. If they do then congrats, you made a good movie as well. If not, then well at least there are some things in your movie that are worthwhile, so nice try and better luck next time.

But if it isn't entertaining then the first thing going through my mind will be "Why the **** am I watching this?" and the next thought will be "Who's responsible for this so I can aim my anger and hatred toward them for wasting my time and money".

[Vartha]

http://tnij.org/leq3
grrrr It keeps freezing half way through.

[kedrell]

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/15/thor-foo-fighters-take-a-walk-with-marvel-film/?dlvrit=63378 = Nice song!


Eh, the melody really doesn't flow for me so I didn't care for it much.

[Spideyfan93]

Walk is a good song!

[RealIrOnMaN]

** 4 days till THOR ** :awesome:

[kedrell]

Walk is a good song!

If that's how you see it then that's fine.

Me, I need the melody to draw me in and hook me to like a song or any piece of music for that matter. This didn't, so I didn't care for it.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm liking this song so far. I care more about melody than lyrics, and I like the melody so far.

[Spideyfan93]

It has a soft soothing feel to it. It builds up as it progresses too. It's definitely one of the better songs on the album in my opinion.

And I'd wait to see how it'll be incorporated into the movie.

[Doctor Jones]

I wouldn't mind The Foo Fighter to do something for The Avengers even.

[meltdown28]

Yeah, listening to the song, it really only makes sense.

I enjoy the song.

[DarthSkywalker]

Personally, I don't mind predictable so long as the ride is fun. I'd be hard pressed to think of any movie other than some David Fincher mind-***k type that wasn't predictable.

Memento, No Country for Old Men, There Will be Blood, Terminator 2, Blade Runner, The Empire Strikes Back, Atonement, Inception, Wristcutters, Pulp Fiction.

And I did that in less then a minute. :woot:

So we have one negative fan review and people are thoroughly trashing the critic? Not surprised to see it. Heaven forbid someone not like some movie this board is looking forward to. I'm sure if he'd said "Thor was the bestest movie evah!!!" his review wouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny. :dry:

I'm not going to get my underwear in a bunch over what this guy thinks. He found the movie predictable and didn't like the Earth scenes? Fine. He did say Thor was better than IM2, and since IM2 was flawed but definitely enjoyable Thor must be good.

To be fair, this is forum that paints a good amount of average to bad films as masterpieces. But that seems to be the internet as a whole.

I understand being a fan. It just blows my mind how easy it is to throw around hyperbole and how quickly one can become defensive.

[Chewy]

What's the deal with people liking different things? That can't be right

[kedrell]

Memento, No Country for Old Men, There Will be Blood, Terminator 2, Blade Runner, The Empire Strikes Back, Atonement, Inception, Wristcutters, Pulp Fiction.

And I did that in less then a minute. :woot:

Well nearly half of those I've not seen(Inception, There Will Be Blood, Wristcutters, Atonement, Memento) and several would likely also fall into the mind-***k category I mentioned. But yeah there are some out there. They're rare though. But I don't think being predictable is necessarily a bad thing as long as the execution is well done. So I rarely use the "oh, it's predictable" line to criticize a film. If that's all you've got to say it was bad, chances are that it was actually good. I also don't get wowed by an unpredictable movie too much. All too often upon further inspection it's logic falls apart.

[DarthSkywalker]

What's the deal with people liking different things? That can't be right

I find too many people confuse liking something with placing it on a pedestal and defending it like it is a battle for their life or death.

I like Superman Return, Iron Man, and the first two X-Men films. I also know they all suffer from pacing issue, some spotty performances and odd leaps in logic. Doesn't stop me from enjoying them, though it might others.

Yeah, he acts like like every comic book movie has a "god" that loses his powers at the point in the film where superheroes usually get their powers.

I'm pretty sure there's not that many superhero films with as big of a emphasis on family dynamics and the relationship between two brothers.

There are a few superhero films built around the loss of powers. Superman 2 and Spiderman 2 come to mind.

For family dynamics there is The Incredibles, Sky High, and those terrible Fantastic 4 films.

The rivalry between two brothers is not big in comics, but is a more then common motif found in film and pretty much any medium.

[DarthSkywalker]

Well nearly half of those I've not seen(Inception, There Will Be Blood, Wristcutters, Atonement, Memento) and several would likely also fall into the mind-***k category I mentioned. But yeah there are some out there. They're rare though. But I don't think being predictable is necessarily a bad thing as long as the execution is well done. So I rarely use the "oh, it's predictable" line to criticize a film. If that's all you've got to say it was bad, chances are that it was actually good. I also don't get wowed by an unpredictable movie too much. All too often upon further inspection it's logic falls apart.

I think, if you sit around and inspect any film, the logic falls a part.

What I look for though is the execution of a story which allows for something other then obvious to happen. It doesn't have to happen, but I have to feel like it can. I need that tension. It can't but hurt a film, no matter how well acted or beautiful, if you can tell what is coming next without much thought.

It is like the difference between Avatar and T2 for me. Avatar bores me to tears because every step feels obvious. T2 still gets my blood pumping and wondering even though I have seen it dozens of times.

[Chewy]

I find too many people confuse liking something with placing it on a pedestal and defending it like it is a battle for their life or death.

I like Superman Return, Iron Man, and the first two X-Men films. I also know they all suffer from pacing issue, some spotty performances and odd leaps in logic. Doesn't stop me from enjoying them, though it might others.

I think you are confusing defending something with putting it on a pedestal

One does not have to think a film is perfect to argue a negative point that is being made that they disagree with

Obviously there are instances of people putting films on pedestals that they may not deserve but if the individual loves that film that much who are we to say they are wrong?

These boards revolve around differences of opinion and the arguments that are inherent within said differences. If you believe there is only way to feel about every film then what is the point of discussing film at all?

[kedrell]

I think, if you sit around and inspect any film, the logic falls a part.

True, but I was mainly refering just to the twist of whatever that makes(or is supposed to make it) unpredictable.

What I look for though is the execution of a story which allows for something other then obvious to happen. It doesn't have to happen, but I have to feel like it can. I need that tension. It can't but hurt a film, no matter how well acted or beautiful, if you can tell what is coming next without much thought.

But if it's well executed and exciting to see it play out before your eyes then I'd say it doesn't matter if I saw it coming a mile away.

It is like the difference between Avatar and T2 for me. Avatar bores me to tears because every step feels obvious. T2 still gets my blood pumping and wondering even though I have seen it dozens of times.

Now this is alien to me. I can understand it upon a first viewing but not beyond that, especially the wondering part. You already know exactly what's going to happen.

[BigThor]

There are a few superhero films built around the loss of powers. Superman 2 and Spiderman 2 come to mind.

For family dynamics there is The Incredibles, Sky High, and those terrible Fantastic 4 films.

The rivalry between two brothers is not big in comics, but is a more then common motif found in film and pretty much any medium.

I was talking bout the hero losing his powers in the origin film, I guess you can compare Thor's family dynamic to those three films but I meant "mature" superhero movies.

[Chewy]

The Incredibles is as mature as films come.

The family dynamic in Thor is entirely different to those present in the mentioned films.

[kedrell]

I was talking bout the hero losing his powers in the origin film, I guess you can compare Thor's family dynamic to those three films but I meant "mature" superhero movies.

The thing I always thought was fairly original about Thor was that he's basically in prison(Asgardian version of it). I think the idea of being sentenced to be a superhero as punishment is kinda unique.

[RoughNTumble]

So far there are no 2D showings of thor scheduled for my city.

If that doesn't change, I won't be seeing it in theaters.

[BigThor]

The Incredibles is as mature as films come.

The family dynamic in Thor is entirely different to those present in the mentioned films.

I was talking about Sky High in particular, and in some ways thd Fantastic Four films as well.

Yeah, the only similarities Thor's family dynamic has with those films is just the fact that it does have a family dynamic.

[JeetKuneDo]

What's the deal with people liking different things? That can't be right:up::up:

[Vartha]

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/15/thor-foo-fighters-take-a-walk-with-marvel-film/?dlvrit=63378 = Nice song!
Nice like the song!

[Vartha]

STILL can't get that interview Real posted to completely load

[Vartha]

What's the deal with people liking different things? That can't be right
heh I like all kinds of different things.....I may not have liked Temple of Doom but I DO OWN it because it's part of the series and my son hadn't seen any Indy films until Crystal Skull now he's a fan.

Another thing I like a B films, Ghost Rider is one of my faves for those.

Yeah Thor I put on a pedestal because I've been a fan for YEARS! I'll be one to drop whatever they ask for the BEST DVD even if I have to sacrifice driving my car for awhile. lol

[S.A.A.D.]

No, we get to see free movies whenever just not on opening weekend. The floor staff employees (me) don't get to pre-screen movies.

That sounds interesting to me.

[DarthSkywalker]

True, but I was mainly refering just to the twist of whatever that makes(or is supposed to make it) unpredictable.

Good storytelling makes a film "unpredictable". Not artificial twist.

But if it's well executed and exciting to see it play out before your eyes then I'd say it doesn't matter if I saw it coming a mile away.

Of course it matters, at least to me. Predictable storytelling takes me out of the film and I sit there bored to tears.

Now this is alien to me. I can understand it upon a first viewing but not beyond that, especially the wondering part. You already know exactly what's going to happen.

I know the T-1000 is never going to catch the car, and yet it still feels like he just might this time. I know which is the real Sarah, and yet John still feels in danger.

Sonny, its a trap. :doh:

It is what great filmmaking is made up.

I was talking bout the hero losing his powers in the origin film, I guess you can compare Thor's family dynamic to those three films but I meant "mature" superhero movies.

The Incredibles is about as mature as it gets. That is what Pixar does.

As to the losing power thing, that is a slight twist. Just because it is the origin doesn't make the loss of powers any different. If anything, the loss of Thor's powers is predictable because he starts the film so powerful. The tale of the arrogant powerhouse who must be humbled is anything but new.

The Incredibles is as mature as films come.

The family dynamic in Thor is entirely different to those present in the mentioned films.

The family dynamics are definitely different, what I wonder is how they are going to play the sibling rivalry. Is Loki going to simply be a baddie with family ties, or if they are going to show a true affection between the two.

If Loki is simply talking out of both sides of his mouth the whole time, I don't know how much the family dynamics are going to work.

[DarthSkywalker]

I think you are confusing defending something with putting it on a pedestal

One does not have to think a film is perfect to argue a negative point that is being made that they disagree with

Obviously there are instances of people putting films on pedestals that they may not deserve but if the individual loves that film that much who are we to say they are wrong?

These boards revolve around differences of opinion and the arguments that are inherent within said differences. If you believe there is only way to feel about every film then what is the point of discussing film at all?

Love whatever you love. I have no problem with that. And I love discussion. :woot:

However, it is when one decides they are going to excuse every possible negative point with an irrational defense born out of the simple need to defend what is "mine" that gets me. One will say a movie isn't perfect, but then will not allow for one flaw to exist. Especially when it turns to insulting those that gave the negative opinion.

[BigThor]

Here's a cool interview from Kenneth Branagh on Thor, I love what he says about the Bifrost bridge, he even talks about a shot of "six warriors riding through space on horseback"

http://dai.ly/hzhX3P

Sounds like were's gonna get an actual bridge in outer space after all, not just in Asgard.

[hatebox]

Scream just performed way below expectations (it might not even get 20m opening weekend). If Fast 5 underperforms I'd be worried about Thor, there's no question we're in a box office slump right now. Studios releasing better movies wouldn't hurt, of course.

[Crimson King]

I don't think that's a good gauge at all. Was anyone clamoring for a Scream 4 or Fast and Furious 5? I don't think so. Thor will be fine.

[ddddeeee]

Scream has a huge fanbase and is probably getting the best reception since the first, this isn't a good sign at all.

[Whiskey Tango]

Sucker Punch and Your Highness have also severely underperformed this spring.

[RetroNaz]

Who can afford to waste money on films at the cinemas that don't really take advantage of the massive screen and sound though?

Comedies and horror films can be enjoyed in a home theatre.

Thor will do fine IMO - I'm more concerned with how Captain America will perform (mostly outside of the States).

[meltdown28]

Who can afford to waste money on films at the cinemas that don't really take advantage of the massive screen and sound though?

Comedies and horror films can be enjoyed in a home theatre.

Thor will do fine IMO - I'm more concerned with how Captain America will perform (mostly outside of the States).

Ditto. I was a Scream fan back in the day, but if anyone is like me, they probably look at it as a unnecessary sequel. Its not surprising to me that its under preforming a bit.

And Fast Five is the fourth unnecessary sequel, so I wont doubt that under preforming anyways.

[R_Hythlodeus]

if Fast5 makes ANY money, I fear for mankind...

[Chewy]

The premiere is in ~15 hours :awesome:

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.ustream.tv/thorworldpremiere

[Spider-Fan]

Thor is a different kind of film than Scream 4. Scream 4 is a sequel and a horror film, Thor is a new series and a blockbuster. I don't see how Scream 4 underperforming hurts Thor. Not saying Thor won't underperform, but too early to tell.

[yoshimura]

Who can afford to waste money on films at the cinemas that don't really take advantage of the massive screen and sound though?

Comedies and horror films can be enjoyed in a home theatre.

Thor will do fine IMO - I'm more concerned with how Captain America will perform (mostly outside of the States).

Exactly. With all the inflation, people won't go to the cinema as much.

I think Captain America will perform pretty well outside the States.

[TheCorpulent1]

The economy in general has me a bit worried about Thor's numbers, but at the end of the day I'm just happy it'll be released. A few years ago, the idea of a Thor film actually happening was far from assured. I know I'll do my part to run up my gas bill driving to the theater to watch it multiple times; that's about all I can really do. :)

[Flemm]

I'd like to see Fast 5 do at least reasonably well, since that would suggest that people are looking forward to the summer movie season and ready to get out to the theaters. It would be a good sign for Thor. But then, Thor might do really well even if Fast 5 bombs. It will largely be a test of Marvel's strategy to tie their movies together in a shared universe, I think.

[TheCorpulent1]

Fast 5 and Thor are certainly closer than Scream 4 and Thor, but the audiences may not overlap that much. I and pretty much all of my friends are excited for Thor, but not a one of us could care less about Fast 5.

[Flemm]

^ Well, that's true for me and my friends as well. It's always hard to tell how that type of perspective translates to general audiences, though.

[Chewy]

It should also be noted that Thor appeals to children and older adults as well as teens. It seems films that are aimed mainly at teens/young adults are the ones that are suffering.

[Thortress]

Tried to stay away from here....I couldn´t so I better bring something, dunno if someone already post this but I laughed a "little" with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCHhKWD970E

[Vartha]

Tried to stay away from here....I couldn´t so I better bring something, dunno if someone already post this but I laughed a "little" with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCHhKWD970E
heh cute

[Vartha]

http://www.ustream.tv/thorworldpremiere
DANGIT I'll have to be going to work then!
I hope someone records it to download. I'm still trying to find recordings of the two Nat and Kat vids from EW and Mtv last year commenting on Thor's hammer. lol

[kedrell]

Scream just performed way below expectations (it might not even get 20m opening weekend). If Fast 5 underperforms I'd be worried about Thor, there's no question we're in a box office slump right now. Studios releasing better movies wouldn't hurt, of course.

That might work to it's advantage, actually. In 2008, IM1 benefited from there being hardly any big(100M plus domestic) movies since the Christmas holiday season. People were primed to have a big movie again. I think between IM1 and I Am Legend there was maybe only 1 sorta big movie that year(Horton hears A Who). While Thor's in a slightly different situation, it's similar enough I think. We've had a couple 100M films this year but both were still pretty far below HHAW(and that one was just a 150M film or so). And last christmas season was actually quite limp(no film crossed 200M domestic that season....quite unusual). The last mega movie was HP 7 &1/2 and that's a whole 6-7 months before Thor. People just may be ready to patronize a film into blockbuster or megablockbuster status again at this point and are just waiting for a film to come along that is worthy of it by being a good movie. If one doesn't show up then Pirates 4 will be it by default I guess no matter the quality since it's a established franchise and isn't required to do things like 'be good' in order to succeed.

[kedrell]

Good storytelling makes a film "unpredictable". Not artificial twist.

An artificial twist is exactly what's gonna fall apart on further inspection. But you're right, good storytelling does do that. Mostly that in the little things in a film and how they are executed(eg. I didn't expect them to handle it that way even though I knew what the end result was going to be all along). To continue to use T2 as an example, I may not have known the way they would get there but I KNEW the good guys were going to win in that movie and suprise, suprise...they did. Predictable. If the T1000 had won, THAT would have not been predictable.

Of course it matters, at least to me. Predictable storytelling takes me out of the film and I sit there bored to tears.

It's all a matter of execution to me. 99/100 I know how the film will end up but it's seeing all the little things along the way(i.e. how they're executed) that keeps me from being bored.

I know the T-1000 is never going to catch the car, and yet it still feels like he just might this time. I know which is the real Sarah, and yet John still feels in danger.

Sonny, its a trap. :doh:

It is what great filmmaking is made up.

Hmm, ok. I don't experience that. If I've seen it once then it's virtually impossible to generate that mystery in me again since I know exactly what's going to happen. And it doesn't matter how well it was done. However, I can still go back and enjoy just how wonderful a scene or shot is put together. But have the same tension as the 1st time? Impossible unless I just completely forgot the whole thing when I first saw it and a great deal of time has passed. That's about the only way I could see it working again, but if I was able to forget it the 1st time then it likely means it wasn't all that engaging to begin with.

[RealIrOnMaN]

3 DAYS TILL THOR!!! :thor::thor::thor:

[Spideyfan93]

Thank god for this 2 week spring break or this anticipation would kill me lol.

The premiere is at 2:30 AM EST right?

[Iceman]

Shouldn't be much longer till the reviews start rolling in.

[TheCorpulent1]

Gah, I'm gonna have to go to ground again to avoid spoilers before it opens in the US. Was putting his countrymen first some kind of condition Hemsworth put into his contract? :argh:

[Chewy]

Gah, I'm gonna have to go to ground again to avoid spoilers before it opens in the US. Was putting his countrymen first some kind of condition Hemsworth put into his contract? :argh:
The embargo on all reviews breaks Monday so I would definitely avoid the place starting then if you don't want too many spoilers.

But some will probably trickle out tomorrow, too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://www.ustream.tv/thorworldpremiere Awesome! However, that's kind of late to be up to watch a premeire, lol.

[Vartha]

The embargo on all reviews breaks Monday so I would definitely avoid the place starting then if you don't want too many spoilers.

But some will probably trickle out tomorrow, too.
hope so, at least some videos to watch for those of us not being near the computer then.

[jmc]

My review will come Thursday at about 1.30pm. :awesome:

[Vartha]

My review will come Thursday at about 1.30pm. :awesome:
cool! Thanks JMC

[Iceman]

The embargo on all reviews breaks Monday so I would definitely avoid the place starting then if you don't want too many spoilers.

But some will probably trickle out tomorrow, too.Good to know :up:

Can't wait!

[Village_Idiot]

Well I hope most are good because two weeks of bad overseas reviews could really hurt it here in the states

[S.A.A.D.]

So I was at work today, and my manager told me that there are people that he knows who saw the movie at some special screening. He told me that none of them liked the movie except for one person. When I asked him why they didn't like it, he said that it wasn't what they were expecting. They didn't like Chris Hemsworth's acting, and they didn't like the fact that Portman and Hopkins weren't in the movie too much, they dug their acting.

[meltdown28]

So I was at work today, and my manager told me that there are people that he knows who saw the movie at some special screening. He told me that none of them liked the movie except for one person. When I asked him why they didn't like it, he said that it wasn't what they were expecting. They didn't like Chris Hemsworth's acting, and they didn't like the fact that Portman and Hopkins weren't in the movie too much, they dug their acting.
Kind of sounds like hes feeding you bull*****. I doubt anyone is putting a special screening on anywhere at this moment in time.

[Spideyfan93]

...if reviews for this movie turn out to be negative...I'll be sad inside. But I do doubt what I'm hearing right now.

[jmc]

Well I hope most are good because two weeks of bad overseas reviews could really hurt it here in the states

Either they're really confident or they're just trying to cash in on the school holidays. I don't know why they're releasing it this week though, no-one down here goes to the cinema during Easter, it's usually considered a dumping ground for films.

[S.A.A.D.]

Kind of sounds like hes feeding you bull*****. I doubt anyone is putting a special screening on anywhere at this moment in time.

My manager isn't the kind of guy who would tell a lie, trust me.

[Whiskey Tango]

Neither are any the other people who post wild claims on the internet. I suggest a wait and see approach.

[flickchick85]

Kind of sounds like hes feeding you bull*****. I doubt anyone is putting a special screening on anywhere at this moment in time.
Nah, I work at a theater as well, and this is typical. We very often get prints of movies we're gonna show pretty far in advance for the purposes of word-of-mouth screenings and press screenings. And with Thor opening in some places on Tuesday, it's obviously had screenings already. Most of the types of people who attend those screenings just aren't authorized to write/post about it at this point.

That said, if it was a press screening, then there probably weren't that many people in attendance since it's only open to the press (our press screenings don't normally get more than 20 people and my theater's at the heart of a major US market), so that reaction was likely a VERY small sampling of opinions.

[S.A.A.D.]

I work at a movie theater (Cineplex Odeon) as well.

[meltdown28]

Eh, ill take your peeps words for it. Ive heard of showings for the media and such a few days to a week beforehand, but ive never heard it happen before the actual movie has premiered whereever they decide to release it. Thats why it didnt sound quite right to me.

[Chewy]

They've been screening it for the media for like 2 weeks now

[Tony Stark]

I think I'll enjoy the film no matter the reviews, but I really hope it gets good reviews. At least as good as The Incredible Hulk, then I'll be satisfied. If it's below 60% on RT, I'm going to worry a bit.

[S.A.A.D.]

I still think that it'll do fine with the movie critics in general and I am sure that the criticism won't tread into too much 'overwrought' territory.

[Vartha]

http://www.ustream.tv/thorworldpremiere
stuff on it now peeps!!!!!

[Spideyfan93]

B Roll footage is cool!

[Gamma Burst]

stuff on it now peeps!!!!!

Cool, Vartha! :up:

[Vartha]

Man lovin that behind the scenes! Found a recording program and captured it!

[Whiskey Tango]

This is good stuff, just saw Chris (in costume) and Natalie hanging in a wire harness.

[Whiskey Tango]

Thor in helmet! :awesome:

[Son of Coul]

I have to get up early so staying awake for this premiere better be worth it! :argh:

[Whiskey Tango]

http://i55.tinypic.com/bgabnn.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/r0t4s2.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2qd1xci.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/9bakjc.jpg

[LuisTX85]

watching the premiere now!,Just a bunch of clips so far from what I've seen.

[Vartha]

Same here Luis as you can see lol

[LuisTX85]

Thor flies with Jane??

[LuisTX85]

I think my stream is behind,it's now showing footage of those screen caps posted!or it's being replayed or what??

[Whiskey Tango]

I think my stream is behind,it's now showing footage of those screen caps posted!or it's being replayed or what??

It's on a loop, they have the trailer, the clips and some B-roll stuff.

[LuisTX85]

aww,I thought it was a live premiere like the Fast Five one!:(

[Whiskey Tango]

aww,I thought it was a live premiere like the Fast Five one!:(

I guess it is, but it doesn't start for another 45 minutes I think.

yeah - 2:30am - 4:30am Eastern Time

[Slick]

Looking at this B-Roll footage is great.

[TikkiEXX]

and heres CBRs review. i think they liked it considering they said it was the best Marvel movie ever. lol. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31910

[marvel_freshman]

Now HitFix's is up http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-thor-offers-up-colorful-cosmic-introduction-to-asgards-greatest-hero

[Vartha]

Great Tikki! Glad to hear that from CBR actually

[Son of Coul]

Oh my God, I swore not to read the reviews and I jumped on both those like a... I don't even know what kind of reference to make, a drug addict one is too tame. I am so ashamed...

Having said that, glazing over them it's great to see they enjoyed it

[Slick]

I can't wait to read harry's review.

[marvel_freshman]

I guess an embargo has been lifted...heres IGN's review http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1161564p1.html

[Wolvieboy17]

Why is Loki holding the hammer?

[TikkiEXX]

yeah i just kind of skimmed thru them to see if they liked it or not. one thing i noticed is they both said hemsworth did a great job and that heimdall was pretty badass

[TikkiEXX]

and the reviews keep rolling in!

[Whiskey Tango]

Why is Loki holding the hammer?

They were playing around between takes.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/116/1161564p1.html = IGN review

[S.A.A.D.]

I wonder what Armond White is going to say about this movie.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Now you can watch new behind the scenes any time you want)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/Thor-4.png (http://spidermedia.ru/news/syomki-filma-tor)

[The Morningstar]

I wonder what Armond White is going to say about this movie.

lol who gives a **** about what he has to say?

[LuisTX85]

Pretty cool reviews so far already!

[Whiskey Tango]

Rate & Review thread. (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=20101635#post20101635)

[RealIrOnMaN]

Tom! :D

[Son of Coul]

Alright, **** the red carpet stream, going to bed and super glad with the mere three reviews we've gotten. Can't wait to see this movie.

[Vartha]

Now that wasn't too bad. Thought we were going to loose the feed

[Vartha]

Nice thanks Real! I'm not sure how well my recordings are. Gonna have to check later, but I did get all the Red Carpet stuff that is when the danged feed didn't stop
Now you can watch new behind the scenes any time you want)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/spidermedia/Thor-4.png (http://spidermedia.ru/news/syomki-filma-tor)

[Vartha]

Thor flies with Jane??
yeah, Chris Mentioned it quite awhile ago in an interview. First time I saw it.

[Aesop Rocks]

You also see it in a behind the scenes clip.

[The Morningstar]

You're unworthy! OF YOUR TITLE!!11111 ARGHAHGHAGLABWHAHA!!!111

[jacobed]

im excited to see all the positive buzz for Idris Elba as Heimdall. Ive been excited to see him as I am a huge Elba fan.

[Aesop Rocks]

"You're even unworthy of the people you love". OUCH.

[The Morningstar]

Odin's words cut deep :(

[Spider-ManHero12]

Awesome behind the scenes footage. It's still surreal to see a live action Thor.

[jmc]

Premier is over down here, reports coming in seem to be generally positive, lots of 'surprisingly good' comments floating around on Twitter. Man, Jamie Alexander looked so beautiful, I didn't know she was coming down here otherwise I would have made an effort to go to the city.

[Doctor Jones]

So this has been getting a good response? If so, that's great news.

For anyone who has read them, without giving anything away, can you tell me what they thought please?

[Hurm...]

Yep, one review from HitFix and the other one from IGN UK. Both positive.

[Aesop Rocks]

Three reviews, actually. All positive.

[The Morningstar]

I'd advise people not to read the CBR "review" though. It's not really a review, more like an entire run down of the plot with some spoilers.

[Aesop Rocks]

Well they liked it, now didn't they? ;)

[The Morningstar]

:D Well yea, but i wouldn't entirely trust them. They are heavily linked to both companies and writers, editors and even EICs frequent their boards regularly. I doubt they'd come out and trash it even if it was the worst film ever.

[Aesop Rocks]

Eh, I don't think CBR are studio push overs.

[Excelsior.]

I wonder what Armond White is going to say about this movie.
I don't. I know.

[Chewy]

http://thespotlightreport.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/on-the-spot-kenneth-branaghs-thor-world-premiere-in-sydney/

Report on the premiere with a bunch of pics. Says their review is coming soon

[JP]

2 fresh, 1 rotten on RT.

[Vartha]

Heh anyone know of a video editor program for free?
I recordered the Premire lastnight but the two parts it is in will be way too long to upload to Youtube I think.
One's 189 megs the other 124 megs.

[Vartha]

2 fresh, 1 rotten on RT.
really? lol I'm shocked.

[meltdown28]

How many people actually trust rotten tomatoes anyways? lol

[JP]

How many people actually trust rotten tomatoes anyways? lol
:huh:

[Vartha]

http://thespotlightreport.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/on-the-spot-kenneth-branaghs-thor-world-premiere-in-sydney/

Report on the premiere with a bunch of pics. Says their review is coming soon
Who the heck is that one Chick in that open front Black dress? My JAW hit the floor when she strolled down the Carpet.

Watching Jamie was AWESOME.

[R_Hythlodeus]

How many people actually trust rotten tomatoes anyways? lol
errr....

[meltdown28]

Indeed. Miss Alexander looked amazing.

I was wondering the same thing about the girl in the black dress. She doesnt look familiar.

[Vartha]

:huh:
MY experience with them in the past weren't exactly positive JP. I don't even recall why. lol

[meltdown28]

Plus honestly, why trust what other people vote or say about the movie? Go out and see it, then make an opinion for yourself.

[JP]

I can guarantee you all right now, that in two months, the general consensus of the film on this forum will reflect what the RT and Metacritic scores are.

Guarantee.

[Vartha]

Yup my thinking too Meltdown.
It does help the film in a positive way if the people giving the reviews are visited often.

[Village_Idiot]

the thing with most reviewers , there's so many of them

The best thing is to just find 5 or 6 that ya like and usally agree with the most, on good reviews or bad reviews

I pretty much just listen to about 10 reveiwers on all the films I want to see and 90% of the time I'll end up agreeing with them

good or bad

[Vartha]

I can guarantee you all right now, that in two months, the general consensus of the film on this forum will reflect what the RT and Metacritic scores are.

Guarantee.
heh JP bud, I knew the movie was going to be awesome before it was in the theaters. Just from who they had on the film.

[meltdown28]

Yeah, I understand that it helps, it just never made sense to me.

I just go see films that I think look cool. Yeah, ive been super burned before, but it happens. Plus its not too bad wen you have a friend to let you in the theater anyhow.

It is what it is I guess.

[Chewy]

RT is a way of gauging opinion. People post this same thing every time a movie is released. It's not necessarily an issue of trusting RT, people just want to see what the general consensus is.

[Robin91939]

Did a description of the post credit scene come out yet? I heard it has, and looked all over for it, no luck. If it's been removed by the mods, then let me know and I won't ask again...

If it's available, can someone repost?

-R

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed!

[JP]

RT is a way of gauging opinion. People post this same thing every time a movie is released. It's not necessarily an issue of trusting RT, people just want to see what the general consensus is.

Exactly. And 90% of the time the general opinion of a film reflects what the RT score is. It's not a bad thing.

[Chewy]

Did a description of the post credit scene come out yet? I heard it has, and looked all over for it, no luck. If it's been removed by the mods, then let me know and I won't ask again...

If it's available, can someone repost?

-R

Fury talks to Selvig (Stellan Skarsgard) about the cosmic cube. It is revealed that this Selvig is actually Loki. Not sure what happened to the actual Selvig.

[The Morningstar]

Hmmm one of those reviews says something quite different about the after credit scene.

A sneak peak at the Avengers or something

[Robin91939]

Fury talks to Selvig (Stellan Skarsgard) about the cosmic cube. It is revealed that this Selvig is actually Loki. Not sure what happened to the actual Selvig.

That's awesome! Thanks.

-R

[Chewy]

Hmmm one of those reviews says something quite different about the after credit scene.

A sneak peak at the Avengers or something

Loki disguising himself as Selvig is a sneak peak at the Avengers.

[Vartha]

the thing with most reviewers , there's so many of them

The best thing is to just find 5 or 6 that ya like and usally agree with the most, on good reviews or bad reviews

I pretty much just listen to about 10 reveiwers on all the films I want to see and 90% of the time I'll end up agreeing with them

good or bad
MY biggest gripe are actual Critics who don't do research and have NO CLUE about characters and give a bad review or make comments on things they have no clue about.
I know I've said it before and FF wasn't that great a film but knuckle heads thinking the FF were COPIES of the Incredibles was one of those lame comments that wasn't researched and there were THREE Critics spouting crud like that.

I'd rather read reviews from people and gather info, over going by what those jack-@#%$ say.

[Vartha]

Fury talks to Selvig (Stellan Skarsgard) about the cosmic cube. It is revealed that this Selvig is actually Loki. Not sure what happened to the actual Selvig.
See, I can't see how this could happen,

unless the ending credit scene happens a few weeks down the line.
Loki is SUPPOSED to be falling through space at the end of Thor, it just seems to be too early if he appears right after falling. You'd think even Loki would have get his bearings before that. I'm thinking Skrull

[Village_Idiot]

This is what the Film Pie Guy said

The ushers will probably be cleaning up around you but make you stay all the way through the lengthy end credit sequence. You’ll get a sneak peak at The Avengers, the 2012 Joss Whedon film that brings together Thor, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and Captain America. Now that looks interesting!

[kedrell]

How many people actually trust rotten tomatoes anyways? lol


I don't know but considering how fallable ANY site like that is, I've learned not to care.

[protocida]

SHIELD has the Cosmic Cube?

[kedrell]

I can guarantee you all right now, that in two months, the general consensus of the film on this forum will reflect what the RT and Metacritic scores are.

Guarantee.

Showing that our collective is just as prone to error as RT.

I learned a while back that when it comes to reviews, they're like junk food. Kind of nice and a bit addicting but ultimately of no nutritional value.

[Robin91939]

Loki disguising himself as Selvig is a sneak peak at the Avengers.

It makes sense considering Selvig (Stellan Skarsgard) is signed on for The Avengers. So, it makes sense that Loki is the villain and masquerading as Selvig. It would even be something to find out that Coulson is and has been a Skrull and reveals himself as well in The Avengers.

We've heard that there are rumors of Loki being hinted at as an antagonist for The Avengers in the Thor post-credit sequence....so, this makes sense.

-R

[Vartha]

heh Watching a Movie Charlie Bartlett with Kat Dennings and RDJ on tv

[Iceman]

I think RT is great. It's not an issue of trust as it's just a bunch of reviews collected in the same place from different sources.

The average mark out of 10 (rather than the tomatometer) seems to be a reasonable gauge to general consensus.

[Chewy]

Just saw a new TV spot on Comedy Central

Mostly old footage, except for Loki saying "I will destroy that race"

[kedrell]

Exactly. And 90% of the time the general opinion of a film reflects what the RT score is. It's not a bad thing.

For determining the general consensus, maybe. For actually determining if a film is good or bad? Not really. I've seen god-aweful films get 90%+ ratings on there and good entertaining films struggle to be fresh in their eyes and everything in between. So I am sooooo glad that I'm not obsessed with a film I like or hate being reflected likewise on their site anymore.

[The Morningstar]

Yea, i don't understand why people get so caught up with movie reviews. Do they need some kind of validation that the movie they like/hate is liked/hated by other people or something?

Same thing with box office results really. Why should i care if a movie makes loads of money or bombs? That money won't find it's way into my pocket!

[Chewy]

For determining the general consensus, maybe. For actually determining if a film is good or bad? Not really. I've seen god-aweful films get 90%+ ratings on there and good entertaining films struggle to be fresh in their eyes and everything in between. So I am sooooo glad that I'm not obsessed with a film I like or hate being reflected likewise on their site anymore.
Good and bad are subjective terms. There is nothing on the planet that will determine whether a film is good or bad except for one's own judgement.

RT is about consensus, and I don't think anyone ever acts like that isn't true.

[JP]

I don't think it's that serious, kedrell.

[kedrell]

the thing with most reviewers , there's so many of them

The best thing is to just find 5 or 6 that ya like and usally agree with the most, on good reviews or bad reviews

I pretty much just listen to about 10 reveiwers on all the films I want to see and 90% of the time I'll end up agreeing with them

good or bad

For me that's a tall order. I'm lucky to find one that I can agree with on even just 50% of the time.

[JP]

For me that's a tall order. I'm lucky to find one that I can agree with on even just 50% of the time.
Perhaps you're just a bit to persnickety? :oldrazz:

[kedrell]

Good and bad are subjective terms. There is nothing on the planet that will determine whether a film is good or bad except for one's own judgement.

RT is about consensus, and I don't think anyone ever acts like that isn't true.

If we are merely talking about feelings then ok. But I'd say you can analyze the writing/story in a film far more objectively than most seem to realize. Just because something is objectively bad or badly written doesn't mean you still aren't allowed to like it. Meet Joe Balck is one of the worst movies I have seen from an unbiased an objective standpoint. But you know what? I still like it.

[kedrell]

Perhaps you're just a bit to persnickety? :oldrazz:

Eh, I just have a very low BS tolerance, especially when it comes to the writing.

[Chewy]

Yeah but I'd think liking it would negate it being "bad" on a technical level.

[kedrell]

I don't think it's that serious, kedrell.

It isn't anymore....for me at least. Thank goodness. A decade ago I was less secure in that sentiment but I'm a-ok with it now.

[JP]

Cool, then. :)

[kedrell]

Yeah but I'd think liking it would negate it being "bad" on a technical level.

Oh I think the more technical we get the more objective criticism comes into play. I like MJB because on some level it touched me in ways very few films do. That's subjective and my burden. But I can totally agree with someone(most people in fact)'s criticism that the film is incredibly bloated and goes on and on and on and on. That it does, there's no denying it. That's a much more objective criticism. As I said, I'd never say it was good, just that I liked it anyway.

[Vartha]

Cool I don't have to figure out how to upload the live feed from the premire, it's all here
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14089206#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35408&medium=14089206

[Vartha]

This is just weird seeing RDJ and Kat talking to each other in the same movie. First time seeing Charlie Bartlett.

[Village_Idiot]

Cool I don't have to figure out how to upload the live feed from the premire, it's all here
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14089206#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://www.**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35408&medium=14089206

Well the interveiwer guy seemed to like it , so thats good enough for me

[Vartha]

Gonna Have to see if Marvel Freshman can send me copies. My recordings are mono, his are better in sound.

[Vartha]

Dang! there's 60 people viewing these threads! lol

[S.A.A.D.]

As of now, it's down to 44 people.

[marcvader]

Lol, its like having company over.

[Vartha]

lol Yeah it is!

Lastnight during the live feed I was shocked there wasn't more people viewing but there were anywhere from 308-324 people viewing the feed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Showing that our collective is just as prone to error as RT.

I learned a while back that when it comes to reviews, they're like junk food. Kind of nice and a bit addicting but ultimately of no nutritional value.
:up:

I sometimes still read reviews just to see what other people are focusing on in movies, but they don't determine whether I'll watch something. They're written by either people who are no smarter or more knowledgeable than I am (so why should their opinion matter to me?) or by people who are so wrapped up in the craft of filmmaking that their criteria are not the same as mine (so why should I care that Roger Ebert thought some fantastically entertaining popcorn movie was artless and dull?).

[Blader5489]

:up:

I sometimes still read reviews just to see what other people are focusing on in movies, but they don't determine whether I'll watch something. They're written by either people who are no smarter or more knowledgeable than I am (so why should their opinion matter to me?) or by people who are so wrapped up in the craft of filmmaking that their criteria are not the same as mine (so why should I care that Roger Ebert thought some fantastically entertaining popcorn movie was artless and dull?).

A lot of people seem like to think Ebert is some old curmudgeon who can't enjoy movies just for fun, but he actually does praise and enjoy a lot of entertaining popcorn movies. He's liked all of the same superhero movies that most people seem to.

[Chewy]

Lol, its like having company over.

Haha, yeah. The Iron Man boards were the same way. (The Iron Man 2 boards were a different story)

One of the many cool things about these Avengers movies is that they're popularizing characters that the mainstream is ignorant to, rather than adapting characters who are already hugely popular.

[Spideyfan93]

Scarf host. It was so early in the morning and when he interviewed Hemsworth...spawning comments saying, "PUNCH HIM!" I laughed so hard.

The scarf guy and the midget crazy cameraman(those who watched the chat know).

[kedrell]

:up:

I sometimes still read reviews just to see what other people are focusing on in movies, but they don't determine whether I'll watch something. They're written by either people who are no smarter or more knowledgeable than I am (so why should their opinion matter to me?) or by people who are so wrapped up in the craft of filmmaking that their criteria are not the same as mine (so why should I care that Roger Ebert thought some fantastically entertaining popcorn movie was artless and dull?).

I think critics should stick to reviewing genre's that they like and have a thing for and have the good sense to recuse themselves from reviewing other films in a genre that they don't really like or care for to begin with. At least that's honest. I don't think I could understand someone who claims to be a fan of all genre's, or in other words they claim to be simply a fan of cinema itself and don't bother distinguishing it any further than that. I just don't get that mindset. I think that is where loads of erronious reviews tend to come from and why there is often a great disparity between how the general public reacts to any given film and how the critics react to it.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I saw one of those movie guides for Thor at the bookstore yesterday, it was pretty cool. Had a lot of great concept art, alot of pics, plus a few nice shots of Sif.

[Chewy]

I think critics should stick to reviewing genre's that they like and have a thing for and have the good sense to recuse themselves from reviewing other films in a genre that they don't really like or care for to begin with. At least that's honest. I don't think I could understand someone who claims to be a fan of all genre's, or in other words they claim to be simply a fan of cinema itself and don't bother distinguishing it any further than that. I just don't get that mindset. I think that is where loads of erronious reviews tend to come from and why there is often a great disparity between how the general public reacts to any given film and how the critics react to it.
The thing is that these net sites make money based on page hits, and reviews of big summer blockbusters = more hits, regardless of how the reviewer feels about the genre.

[kedrell]

The thing is that these net sites make money based on page hits, and reviews of big summer blockbusters = more hits, regardless of how the reviewer feels about the genre.

Then they should have different critics who specialize in different genre's. When these pompous guys say "Oh, I'm a just fan of cinema itself" I just think BULL***T! That's like saying you're a fan of music itself or food itself. I never met the person who likes all types of food or music and I've never met the person who is a fan of all genre's of film. People have individual tastes and that's normal.

[Wolvieboy17]

From all the reviews, this seems like it won't disappoint. No one has anything terrible to say about it, and all the nitpicks are no more significant than any nitpicks Iron Man 1, 2 or TIH got. I'm very excited for this Thursday :P

[Whiskey Tango]

A lot of people seem like to think Ebert is some old curmudgeon who can't enjoy movies just for fun, but he actually does praise and enjoy a lot of entertaining popcorn movies. He's liked all of the same superhero movies that most people seem to.

Roger has seen everything under the sun a hundred times over. When you've watched as many movies as that guy has, it's got to be difficult to remain enthusiastic.

[TheCorpulent1]

A lot of people seem like to think Ebert is some old curmudgeon who can't enjoy movies just for fun, but he actually does praise and enjoy a lot of entertaining popcorn movies. He's liked all of the same superhero movies that most people seem to.
Fair enough. Ebert's just the first name that came to me because he's what pops into my head when I think of the really academic film reviewers.

[kedrell]

I've been trying to figure Ebert's way of thinking out for years and I still can't. For all I know he just randomly throws a dart at a board with thumbs up/thumbs down on it and then makes his case from there.

[The Morningstar]

I usually agree with Ebert. But sometimes it seems that if he wasn't enthusiastic about a film before he watched it, it comes through on his review. I remember his review of Kick-Ass. Well, it wasn't really a review, more like a rant about Hit Girl being a bad influence on children or some ******** like that.

[Hurm...]

I can't find a single reviewer who matches my exact taste.


Ebert's reviews are interesting and fun to read, but I am not a fan of his taste.

[RachelDawes]

I usually agree with Ebert. But sometimes it seems that if he wasn't enthusiastic about a film before he watched it, it comes through on his review. I remember his review of Kick-Ass. Well, it wasn't really a review, more like a rant about Hit Girl being a bad influence on children or some ******** like that.

Perhaps no ulterior motives were involved and he simply thought Hit Girl would be a bad influence on children.

[The Morningstar]

Perhaps no ulterior motives were involved and he simply thought Hit Girl would be a bad influence on children.

Well that whole mentality is a load of crap, to begin with. Anyone who is influenced by movies or video games have a few screws loose in the first place.

Secondly, the movie was rated R. Kids shouldn't be watching it. And his job is to review the film, not rant about how media influences people. He didn't say anything about the performances of the actors, the script, the story or anything.

[RealIrOnMaN]

2 Days Till Thor!

[The Morningstar]

2 days?!?! How comes you get to see it that early?

[RealIrOnMaN]

2 days?!?! How comes you get to see it that early?
Being Mister Stark & working with Paramount/Marvel has it's own privileges)

[Spideyfan93]

Don't know why, but I'm very curious as to how Walk by Foo Fighters is incorporated into that scene.

[R_Hythlodeus]

It sucks that I can't see it until May 7th...

[jmc]

Plus honestly, why trust what other people vote or say about the movie? Go out and see it, then make an opinion for yourself.

If only 20 people out of 100 rave about a restaurant would you risk spending your money? People want value for money. MY biggest gripe are actual Critics who don't do research and have NO CLUE about characters and give a bad review or make comments on things they have no clue about.
I know I've said it before and FF wasn't that great a film but knuckle heads thinking the FF were COPIES of the Incredibles was one of those lame comments that wasn't researched and there were THREE Critics spouting crud like that.

I'd rather read reviews from people and gather info, over going by what those jack-@#%$ say.

It's not the critics job to do research about comic characters you know.

[Brian Braddock]

Seeing it on the 26th - free tickets no less (!). Cant wait.

[Spider-ManHero12]

From all the reviews, this seems like it won't disappoint. No one has anything terrible to say about it, and all the nitpicks are no more significant than any nitpicks Iron Man 1, 2 or TIH got. I'm very excited for this Thursday :P Agreed. Though, you guys are lucky to see it so soon. People like me who live in the U.S. have to wait until May 6th!

[Vartha]

The Character section on the movie site is up.