Thor News and Pics Thread: Impending Super Bowl Spot Edition - Part 4

[Sgt.Pepper]

Has this article been posted? Kevin Feige talks about the future of Marvel movies after The Avengers and he more or less confirms that a sequel to Thor is in works.

"Thor will go off into a new adventure, and Captain America will continue to explore the modern world in another film of his own. We hope that holds true for the characters appearing in that film — Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the spy organization, S.H.I.E.L.D. —all of whom are more than worthy and capable of carrying their own films. And, we've got a lot of other characters we're prepping and getting ready for film debuts: the world of martial arts, these great cosmic space fantasies, Dr. Strange, and the magic side of the Marvel Universe. There are many, many stories to be mined."

Source (http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1162772p1.html)

Again I apologize in advance if this was posted already.

[kedrell]

With Loki , will we finally get a villain thats Marvel worthy ?

I hate to say it , but alot if not most of the movies villains have been underwelming

Dr Doom , Galactus , Kingpin , Bullseye , Green Goblin , Venom , Deadpool, etc

I thought Obidiah Stane was probably the best villain Marvel's movies have portrayed to date. Probably my favorite comic book villain portrayed on screen to date.

[marvel_freshman]

I'm really not thinking much from Rotten Tomatoes overall review...yet...because IM & TDK have at least 230 reviews...while Thor is at 17. But extremely happy they're so far positive!

[Raiden]

I thought Obidiah Stane was probably the best villain Marvel's movies have portrayed to date. Probably my favorite comic book villain portrayed on screen to date.

I think it has more to do with Jeff Bridge's performance than the character of Obidiah Stane, since imo Stane wasn't that memorable as a villain, but Bridge did an awesome job as he usually does.

Has this article been posted? Kevin Feige talks about the future of Marvel movies after The Avengers and he more or less confirms that a sequel to Thor is in works.



Source (http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1162772p1.html)

Again I apologize in advance if this was posted already.

I'm very excited to see so many movies and spin-off possibilities of these Avengers movies. Since the deals that Marvel made with Sony & Fox are pretty much ironclad, meaning they can't pry the rights away from them unless they give up voluntarily, I think Marvel's best bets are to develop what they have. Quite frankly right now I'm more interested in seeing more Avengers or Avenger-related movies than Spider-man, Fantastic Four, DD, Ghost Rider, and X-Men.

[kedrell]

Well it's quite rare for a film, once it gets to oh, say 25 reviews, for it's end result % to have changed much more than 5% either way from where it was at 25. An extreme exeption to this would be King Kong(2005) that changed 17% after it had already passed 25 reviews. But that is very, very rare.

[Village_Idiot]

I thought Obidiah Stane was probably the best villain Marvel's movies have portrayed to date. Probably my favorite comic book villain portrayed on screen to date.

I did too , I think Jeff Bridges was perfectly cast and played well off of Robert Downey Jr

[Vartha]

I thought Obidiah Stane was probably the best villain Marvel's movies have portrayed to date. Probably my favorite comic book villain portrayed on screen to date.
heh I'd have to agree. I want to ring the guy's neck everytime I watch the movie. lol

[kedrell]

I think it has more to do with Jeff Bridge's performance than the character of Obidiah Stane, since imo Stane wasn't that memorable as a villain, but Bridge did an awesome job as he usually does.

I really don't see the distinction. It's always up to the actor to sell the part. I can't think of a single character that just sells itself because of how cool it is.

[kedrell]

heh I'd have to agree. I want to ring the guy's neck everytime I watch the movie. lol

One of the things I loved about him is that we got a villain in a Marvel movie that wasn't even remotely cartoony. Bridges's Stane could easily fit in as the villain in a Jason Bourne or Jack Ryan movie.

[Vartha]

Doom was weenie compared to what he's supposed to be.
When ever Marvel casts Doom I hope they choose as wisely as they have so far.

[kedrell]

If they ever get him back, and that's a big IF. Personally I want Kingpin redone. More classy with an evil brilliance and less from-the-street, kills his own men for no reason whatsoever and then has the balls to chastise Bullseye for doing the exact same thing type of guy that we got. And no, it's not about skin color.

[Parker Wayne]

heh "Bannned user?"

They censored Banned User and I wanted to mess with people.

[Vartha]

They censored Banned User and I wanted to mess with people.
hehehe Thought so. lol

[Vartha]

If they ever get him back, and that's a big IF. Personally I want Kingpin redone. More classy with an evil brilliance and less from-the-street, kills his own men for no reason whatsoever and then has the balls to chastise Bullseye for doing the exact same thing type of guy that we got. And no, it's not about skin color.
I don't know of anyone big enough to play Kingpin tho. Micheal's a big guy.

[The Morningstar]

With Loki , will we finally get a villain thats Marvel worthy ?

I hate to say it , but alot if not most of the movies villains have been underwelming

Dr Doom , Galactus , Kingpin , Bullseye , Green Goblin , Venom , Deadpool, etc

I just watched Daredevil Directors Cut and i think Bullseye is an awesome villain. Nice to see a bad guy who just loves to kill people and actually takes some kind of twisted, almost sexual, joy out of it. The part where he kills the old granny on the plane with a flicked peanut, then seems to have this orgasmic look on his face whilst listening to her choke to death is just puuuure Bullseye.

But yea none of those are from actual Marvel films. And you're forgetting Magneto.

[Figs]

"Thor will go off into a new adventure, and Captain America will continue to explore the modern world in another film of his own. We hope that holds true for the characters appearing in that film — Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the spy organization, S.H.I.E.L.D. —all of whom are more than worthy and capable of carrying their own films. And, we've got a lot of other characters we're prepping and getting ready for film debuts: the world of martial arts, these great cosmic space fantasies, Dr. Strange, and the magic side of the Marvel Universe. There are many, many stories to be mined."

Hahaha, carry a film my ass.

[marvel_freshman]

What honestly could a Black Widow or Hawkeye movie be about.....I'd rather see them both on the big screen....sorta like a Mr. & Ms. Smith thing Haha

[Sgt.Pepper]

I'm not interested to see a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie but I'm dying to see a Dr. Strange movie. In the right hands it could be an amazing film.

[Pac-Master]

I want another Hulk movie.

[Vartha]

What honestly could a Black Widow or Hawkeye movie be about.....I'd rather see them both on the big screen....sorta like a Mr. & Ms. Smith thing Haha
hahahaha Dangit Now I can't get that out of my head and I'll be laughing when they show Barton in Thor! lol

[Vartha]

Hahaha, carry a film my ass.
They should just make a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie that would cover all the extra heroes.

[Tony Stark]

Doom was weenie compared to what he's supposed to be.
When ever Marvel casts Doom I hope they choose as wisely as they have so far.

I don't think that was the actor's fault though. That was the script writers who made the whole Latveria thing an afterthought. I like Julian McMahon as an actor, and I thought he brought the right kind of charisma that Doom needed. He's the villian you love to hate.

Where they screwed up was the long slow build up to him becoming doom, then he's Doom for 5 minutes and it's over. I thought they had more of the right direction in the second one, where he's sitting in his lair looking at all the video screens, plotting and scheming. That was it, they just needed a hell of alot more.

[Wolvieboy17]

I still want David Tennant or Billy Crudup for Dr Strange... Screw Patrick Dempsey!

[Vartha]

I'm not interested to see a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie but I'm dying to see a Dr. Strange movie. In the right hands it could be an amazing film.
I don't see why they couldn't do both really. I mean Doc is more like Thor anyway where they'd have to explain the magiks and other realms.
A SHIELD movie could cover all these other hero/agents. This reminds me. Anyone know if that SHIELD mini has a trade yet?

[Vartha]

I don't think that was the actor's fault though. That was the script writers who made the whole Latveria thing an afterthought. I like Julian McMahon as an actor, and I thought he brought the right kind of charisma that Doom needed. He's the villian you love to hate.

Where they screwed up was the long slow build up to him becoming doom, then he's Doom for 5 minutes and it's over. I thought they had more of the right direction in the second one, where he's sitting in his lair looking at all the video screens, plotting and scheming. That was it, they just needed a hell of alot more.
Yeah I know it wasn't Julian, I watched him on Charmed. :D It was Fox being "creative"

[The Morningstar]

A SHIELD movie could work. Depends on how Renner's Hawkeye is received and if he is more of a SHIELD agent rather than fully fledged Avenger.

Black Widow could in no way shape or form support her own movie.

[Spideyfan93]

I was at Six Flags yesterday and on line for Superman...the guy behind me was talking about the Marvel Movie Universe:

Saying Incredible Hulk 2 was coming out, then Cap, then(wait for this)



JUSTICE LEAGUE NEXT YEAR!


This guy knows his stuff well! ;)

[Spider-ManHero12]

I want another Hulk movie. I do as well. The Leader was set up for a sequal to TIH. Sadly, I don't think that'll happen.

[Figs]

They should just make a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie that would cover all the extra heroes.

I agree. I just have a hard time seeing a Black Widow film doing well at the BO.

[Spider-Fan]

I do too. Just make a SHIELD film about Fury, Hawkeye, and Widow. Don't give them solo films, just include them in that family.

[BigThor]

Eh, Jeff's Obadiah was great, but Alfred Molina's Doc Ock was the best Marvel villain to date in my opinion unless we're talking strictly Marvel Studios.

[Spider-Fan]

I think we're talking strictly Marvel studios. In which case, Stane was the best so far (mostly for Bridges, less so for the character himself), but I think both Loki and Red Skull will trump him. I mean, there is just way more material for them and they're just overall better villains IMO.

[Raiden]

Yeah I know it wasn't Julian, I watched him on Charmed. :D It was Fox being "creative"

Unfortunately, Fox decides to hold on to the rights of FF and are going to reboot the franchise. I hate Fox. :cmad:

[Vartha]

Unfortunately, Fox decides to hold on to the rights of FF and are going to reboot the franchise. I hate Fox. :cmad:
I thought they gave it up?

[protocida]

Nope.

[Vartha]

Crud

[BigThor]

I think we're talking strictly Marvel studios. In which case, Stane was the best so far (mostly for Bridges, less so for the character himself), but I think both Loki and Red Skull will trump him. I mean, there is just way more material for them and they're just overall better villains IMO.

Ok okay I agree with Stane being the best villain then, I think Tim Roth was pretty good as well (underrated just like the movie itself).

[Spider-Fan]

Ok okay I agree with Stane being the best villain then, I think Tim Roth was pretty good as well (underrated just like the movie itself).

Won't see me argue with you here. TIH is a vastly underrated film and I loved Roth in the film. But, Jeff Bridges is Jeff Bridges, lol.

[marvel_freshman]

Getting a bit off-topic, but isn't The Leader's power sorta the same as Hector Hammond's?

[protocida]

Yes. They both have telepathic and telekinetic abilities. But the Leader has super-intelligence, which Hammond doesn't. In return, Hammond's psyonic powers are greater than the Leader's.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't see why they couldn't do both really. I mean Doc is more like Thor anyway where they'd have to explain the magiks and other realms.
A SHIELD movie could cover all these other hero/agents. This reminds me. Anyone know if that SHIELD mini has a trade yet?

Actually, that could work amazingly if they overlapped on dimensions and worlds, maybe even have a mention of something of Thor, to show they are of the same world, except in this instance Strange is an Earth based mortal who has learnt to tap into those other worlds, like Hiemdall can.

[protocida]

But the Asgardians don't do magic, they use advanced Alien technology.

Which means Doctor Strange would do the same. Maybe probability manipulation, like Ultimate Scarlett Witch.

[Vartha]

Actually, that could work amazingly if they overlapped on dimensions and worlds, maybe even have a mention of something of Thor, to show they are of the same world, except in this instance Strange is an Earth based mortal who has learnt to tap into those other worlds, like Hiemdall can.
well there was a RUMOR that the Eye of Aggy MIGHT be in the Treasure room with the Casket of Ancient Winters.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. :D

[Vartha]

But the Asgardians don't do magic, they use advanced Alien technology.

Which means Doctor Strange would do the same. Maybe probability manipulation, like Ultimate Scarlett Witch.
magic IS part of their science.

[Wolvieboy17]

But the Asgardians don't do magic, they use advanced Alien technology.

Which means Doctor Strange would do the same. Maybe probability manipulation, like Ultimate Scarlett Witch.

Not necessarily. And not everything about the Asgardians has been purely classified as 'technology', it's been labeled as a union of the two concepts. It seems like technology is what serves as a conduit to magic, which is essentially their energy. It could be interesting to show a mortal who can tap into that, with various consequences. Doesn't Dr Strange screw up pretty badly when he first starts out? Open up a portal to a not very nice place and let out some not very nice things? That could be cool.


Edit: What Vartha said.... Aggomotto in Thor! Im seeing it tomorrow night, I shall keep out the keenest of keen eyes in that scene. Oh man, there are gonna be so many things to look out for in this film. It's gonna do my head in!

[Nemi]

I'm not sure where to ask this but is Thor a god in this or an alien?

[The Morningstar]

They are extra dimensional beings who were once upon a time worshipped as Gods.

[Wolvieboy17]

I think they are closer to our interpretation of Gods. The clever way they've chosen to portray them is it that they aren't quite defined by our idea of Gods, nor do they fit our interpretation of Aliens. It's like it's so otherwordly we need another frame of reference. On one hand, you might call them aliens since they're on another world, but on the other hand, Odin is in charge of ALL of the other realms, and oversees it all? Capable of great power, with world destroying artefacts in their potential?

My friend who saw the film said they never felt like Aliens. Even the much feared 'fish out of water stuff' felt unique because Thor wasn't an idiot, he KNOWS about Earth and stuff, he's just not familiar with the etiquette.

But the mere fact that they've introduced these beings on the highest plane of existence who are capable of vast magic means they could now quite easily fill in all the gaps between earth, Asgard and everything else so far as planets/dimensions go.

Also, for Dr Strange, didn't he learn his craft from the Ancient One, who was his master? No suppose the Ancient One was something akin to an Asgardian (though not quite, but perhaps from a seperate realm) who could pass his power on to Strange. That could work.

[Nemi]

Yeah I heard they were gonna be aliens but the new teaser described him as being the only hero that is a god. Weird.

[Vartha]

I'm not sure where to ask this but is Thor a god in this or an alien?
Simply they're an advanced race.
Even in the comics the Asgardians lived in another dimension making them "alien".
It's easier to explain that they live on another planet over in another dimension and make it realistic.

[Vartha]

Yeah I heard they were gonna be aliens but the new teaser described him as being the only hero that is a god. Weird.
Because they WERE considered Gods by our Ancestors. They were here during the Viking era too.

[steintym]

Edit: What Vartha said.... Aggomotto in Thor! Im seeing it tomorrow night, I shall keep out the keenest of keen eyes in that scene. Oh man, there are gonna be so many things to look out for in this film. It's gonna do my head in!

Keep those eyes open. I'd love to read a spoiler or two about what is seen in that trophy room. :woot:

[Nemi]

Because they WERE considered Gods by our Ancestors. They were here during the Viking era too.

Ahhhh okay. I haven't been following the movie much so I kinda got thrown off by that. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Wolvieboy17]

Keep those eyes open. I'd love to read a spoiler or two about what is seen in that trophy room

This is where my marvel knowledge will fail me... I'd recognise most Dr Strangea artefacts, the infinity gauntlet and a few Asgard artefacts, but beyond that I may be just have to describe things and see if they ring any bells. Fingers crossed.

[Vartha]

Ahhhh okay. I haven't been following the movie much so I kinda got thrown off by that. Thanks for clearing it up.
Yeah no problem, we were actually surprised they switched back to saying the god of thunder and power of a god. We thought they were being over sensitive.

[steintym]

That will work - Can't wait to see if they pack some cool little nods into that throne room. Got a feeling there will be at least a few obvious items in that room.

[Whiskey Tango]

Ahhhh okay. I haven't been following the movie much so I kinda got thrown off by that. Thanks for clearing it up.

Yeah, some of the early interviews with Feige and the writers talked about how the Asgardians visited Earth and influenced Viking culture. Like the Vikings tried to copy their mode of dress and such but didn't have the tech and mojo to do it properly so they still ended up wearing furs and leather based on the Asgardians look.

[Spider-Vader]

I'm not a huge fan of the X-Men films, but IM1 and SM2 I def agree. I'd also prob say TIH, too. But, I am not sure how many would agree with me on TIH (I feel it is very underrated).
I will. Hell, I even think IM2 is better than Spidey 1. Spidey 1 is great the first couple times you watch it...& then you start seeing all the flaws it has

Back on-topic, I'm extremely happy Thor is getting such a positive reaction.

MAY 6 Y U NO COME FASTER?

[Wolvieboy17]

I think they're playing it smart with Thor, not labelling him strictly as any one thing... Could be alien, could be magical God.... Consider that and then look at what they're doing next, bringing in cosmic Marvel elements and then magical Marvel elements. By portraying Thor that way, they've covered both angles already.

[Vartha]

I think they are closer to our interpretation of Gods. The clever way they've chosen to portray them is it that they aren't quite defined by our idea of Gods, nor do they fit our interpretation of Aliens. It's like it's so otherwordly we need another frame of reference. On one hand, you might call them aliens since they're on another world, but on the other hand, Odin is in charge of ALL of the other realms, and oversees it all? Capable of great power, with world destroying artefacts in their potential?

My friend who saw the film said they never felt like Aliens. Even the much feared 'fish out of water stuff' felt unique because Thor wasn't an idiot, he KNOWS about Earth and stuff, he's just not familiar with the etiquette.

But the mere fact that they've introduced these beings on the highest plane of existence who are capable of vast magic means they could now quite easily fill in all the gaps between earth, Asgard and everything else so far as planets/dimensions go.

Also, for Dr Strange, didn't he learn his craft from the Ancient One, who was his master? No suppose the Ancient One was something akin to an Asgardian (though not quite, but perhaps from a seperate realm) who could pass his power on to Strange. That could work.

Well if Marvel works it like they do the Asgardians, it could be magik but only the Ancient one is allowed to show one person how the science of magik works.
Maybe we come to a time where there needs to be a Sorcerer Supreme and Strange is chosen

[Spider-Vader]

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I never thought of Thor being a way to introduce both the cosmic & magical characters. Good thinking Wolvie! *eagerly waits for Dr. Strange to get further into production & for Marvel to announce a Nova movie*

[Vartha]

Keep those eyes open. I'd love to read a spoiler or two about what is seen in that trophy room. :woot:
Yeah even tho it was a rumor Wolvie try to keep those eyes open in that treasure room! lol use tooth picks to prop your eyes open if you have too. lol

[steintym]

I think they're playing it smart with Thor, not labelling him strictly as any one thing... Could be alien, could be magical God.... Consider that and then look at what they're doing next, bringing in cosmic Marvel elements and then magical Marvel elements. By portraying Thor that way, they've covered both angles already.

I agree - I like that they seem to be leaving it open a bit

[Wolvieboy17]

Don't worry Vartha, i'm seeing it again on Friday and then perhaps a third time on Sunday with my little sis. There will be extensive investigation

[Vartha]

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I never thought of Thor being a way to introduce both the cosmic & magical characters. Good thinking Wolvie! *eagerly waits for Dr. Strange to get further into production & for Marvel to announce a Nova movie*
What'd be VERY cool is,

the guard that the Red Skull kills in the Odin Tomb on earth is part of the Ancient one's sect. :D

[Vartha]

Don't worry Vartha, i'm seeing it again on Friday and then perhaps a third time on Sunday with my little sis. There will be extensive investigation
Very cool! hehe
I'm really curious what is in that room, and what we could be in for in the future.

[BigThor]

I think they are closer to our interpretation of Gods. The clever way they've chosen to portray them is it that they aren't quite defined by our idea of Gods, nor do they fit our interpretation of Aliens. It's like it's so otherwordly we need another frame of reference. On one hand, you might call them aliens since they're on another world, but on the other hand, Odin is in charge of ALL of the other realms, and oversees it all? Capable of great power, with world destroying artefacts in their potential?

Yeah even though they use powerful weapons and artifacts I hope it's shown that they're quite powerful all by themselves.

[Gamma Burst]

I think they're playing it smart with Thor, not labelling him strictly as any one thing... Could be alien, could be magical God.... Consider that and then look at what they're doing next, bringing in cosmic Marvel elements and then magical Marvel elements. By portraying Thor that way, they've covered both angles already.

Well thought, Wolvie.:word:

[BigThor]

Yeah, I like how they're going with that angle :up:

[Wolvieboy17]

Yay, validation!

[kedrell]

I think we're talking strictly Marvel studios. In which case, Stane was the best so far (mostly for Bridges, less so for the character himself), but I think both Loki and Red Skull will trump him. I mean, there is just way more material for them and they're just overall better villains IMO.

I sure wasn't. IMO, none of Spidey's onscreen villains were all that great. Dafoe did well....but only as Norman Osborn. Once he puts on the GG attire and starts hamming it up, forget about it:whatever:.

Molina did a fine acting job as well but the character was poorly written and ill conceived. Not nearly menacing or evil enough. And Sandman & Venom & GG Jr.....less said the better. Before Bridges came along, I'd have given the default prize for best Marvel villain on screen to Brian Cox's Styker with Ian McKellan's Magneto as runner up. I liked how Cox made Stryker pretty hard core bad while at the same time giving us plausible reasons for why he was the way he was. But it wasn't to the contempable point of us actually having sympathy for him, but rather merely to keep him from being a 2-D villain. But Bridges took that and added another element of slimy betrayer and to me that makes him all the better. Bridges villain was the bad guy who can hide in plain site cause he's just that good a liar. A total sociopath.

[kedrell]

Ok okay I agree with Stane being the best villain then, I think Tim Roth was pretty good as well (underrated just like the movie itself).

Oh he was fine in it. One of the best to date, I'd say. But it could have been THE best. The character has more layers in the comics that they pretty much completely ignored in the film. Abomb isn't actually just an evil version of the Hulk. If you want to get technical with motivations, he's more like the evil version of Ben Grimm's The Thing.

[BigThor]

Molina did a fine acting job as well but the character was poorly written and ill conceived. Not nearly menacing or evil enough.

Well Spider-Man 2's Dock Ock sure was VERY well recieved, some even wished the original Dock Ock was more like him.

[Vartha]

Just posted some Thor Party Favors in the merchandise threads
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=20125947#post20125947

[kedrell]

Well Spider-Man 2's Dock Ock sure was VERY well recieved

No doubt, but then he initially had much less competition than he does now.

some even wished the original Dock Ock was more like him.

I am not one of those. I remember a while back, reading a comic(I don't remember the name) that basically was an entire character study of Octavius showing how he got to the ultimate villain he would be. It was very goodand I thought far more interesting than how Molina's Ockwas written to be. It had all the bullying from his past and his terrible releationship with his mother in it. I wish I could remember the name of the comic. Ock came off almost as a quasi Norman Bates(except he hated his mother rather than wanting to be her like Bates). Quite creepy, and to me THAT is why Ock in the comics is better than the film version(which to me is too close to The Lizard in fact).

[lixdexia]

No doubt, but then he initially had much less competition than he does now.



I am not one of those. I remember a while back, reading a comic(I don't remember the name) that basically was an entire character study of Octavius showing how he got to the ultimate villain he would be. It was very goodand I thought far more interesting than how Molina's Ockwas written to be. It had all the bullying from his past and his terrible releationship with his mother in it. I wish I could remember the name of the comic. Ock came off almost as a quasi Norman Bates(except he hated his mother rather than wanting to be her like Bates). Quite creepy, and to me THAT is why Ock in the comics is better than the film version(which to me is too close to The Lizard in fact).
i think all that would have made for a better villain, but the title of the movie wasn't "doctor octopus"

[BigThor]

i think all that would have made for a better villain, but the title of the movie wasn't "doctor octopus"

Also very true :up:

[kedrell]

i think all that would have made for a better villain, but the title of the movie wasn't "doctor octopus"

Well I think a clever enough writer could have found a way to incorporate it into a film while still keeping it a Spider-man film.

[Spider-Fan]

Dr. Octopus in SM2 was a better villain than Stane. I'd also say that while IM1 is better than any X-Men film by miles, Magneto was very well done in those films and is prob best Marvel film villain outside Ock.

[lixdexia]

Dr. Octopus in SM2 was a better villain than Stane. I'd also say that while IM1 is better than any X-Men film by miles, Magneto was very well done in those films and is prob best Marvel film villain outside Ock.nothing in this post is correct.

[Spider-Fan]

everything in this post is correct.

Fixed :up:

[Whiskey Tango]

Molina was pretty cool but Ock was too sympathetic. Then they pulled the same crap with Sandman. It is ok to have your villains actually be evil sometimes.

[lixdexia]

ruined and made into lies:up:
fixed

[Spider-Fan]

I agree with that Whiskey, and Sandman shouldn't have had that personal tie with Peter. But, I think in Ock's case it worked. It meshed with the overall themes of the film.

[Spider-Fan]

i realize the error of my ways and your awesome rightness

Double fixed :up:

[kedrell]

Dr. Octopus in SM2 was a better villain than Stane. I'd also say that while IM1 is better than any X-Men film by miles, Magneto was very well done in those films and is prob best Marvel film villain outside Ock.

Agree to disagree then. But Bridges's Stane would've eaten Molina's Octavius alive if they ever met, IMO. And he might not have even needed the Iron Monger armor to do it. He's just a far more cunning villain.

[Vartha]

Anyone notice the Thor Game pre-order banner at the top of the threads in here lately?

[Spider-Fan]

Agree to disagree then. But Bridges's Stane would've eaten Molina's Octavius alive if they ever met, IMO. And he might not have even needed the Iron Monger armor to do it. He's just a far more cunning villain.

Who wins in a fight between them doesn't make either better. It's all about plot, structure, and performance. Not who wins a fight. Iron Man is a stronger hero than Spider-Man in terms of power. That doesn't make him better. Stane is a player on a higher level of villainy than Ock was, but that doesn't mean Ock didn't serve his story equally well.

[BigThor]

Molina was pretty cool but Ock was too sympathetic. Then they pulled the same crap with Sandman. It is ok to have your villains actually be evil sometimes.

True, I guess they think that gives the villian more "depth, but I think it worked pretty well for Doc Ock.

[Gamma Burst]

Molina was pretty cool but Ock was too sympathetic. Then they pulled the same crap with Sandman. It is ok to have your villains actually be evil sometimes.

Sam Raimi doesn't agree with you.:woot:

[lixdexia]

Sam Raimi doesn't agree with you.:woot:
http://comiccritics.com/2010/01/31/insert-brand-new-day-joke-here/

i just love this comic.

[kedrell]

Who wins in a fight between them doesn't make either better. It's all about plot, structure, and performance. Not who wins a fight. Iron Man is a stronger hero than Spider-Man in terms of power. That doesn't make him better.

Ah, but I wasn't necessarily refering to a fight. If I was then there's no way Stane could beat Ock w/o using the Iron Monger armor. I was meaning that Stane could manipulate Ock with ease, which is why I said he probably wouldn't even need his armor. Stane's much more crafty. Ock was so easy to manipulate that even his arms got in on the act(which frankly, near completely disarms the entire idea of him being a villain IMO). Ock in SM2 barely qualifies as a true villain as far as I can tell. He's more of a danger or a threat. He's like a crazy person who needs to be sedated & treated as much for his own good as the public's. Stane in contrast, was a right bastard. I love to hate Stane. I just feel sorry for Ock.


Stane is a player on a higher level of villainy than Ock was, but that doesn't mean Ock didn't serve his story equally well.

This. And I wasn't judging so much with how well they served their stories. Of course using that criteria then Ock's stock rises a bit higher. But then so does Stane's.

[kedrell]

True, they think it gives the villian more "depth, but I think it worked pretty well for Doc Ock.

You can give a villain depth w/o resorting to making them poor victims of unfortunate circumstances themselves. You just have to explain how the villain arrived at the point he did under his own rationale. That's why I say Brian Cox's General Stryker is one of the best villains Marvel has ever put on screen. We can see where he's coming from, what with what happened to his wife because of his son and all. It doesn't excuse attempted genocide in the least and he's still easy to hate yet he's still three dimensional.

[kedrell]

http://comiccritics.com/2010/01/31/insert-brand-new-day-joke-here/

i just love this comic.

THAT IS AWESOME!!!:awesome::woot:

[Vartha]

THAT IS AWESOME!!!:awesome::woot:
hahaha I've seen that. last week

[Gamma Burst]

http://comiccritics.com/2010/01/31/insert-brand-new-day-joke-here/

i just love this comic.

LOL! brilliant stuff.:up:

[BigThor]

You can give a villain depth w/o resorting to making them poor victims of unfortunate circumstances themselves. You just have to explain how the villain arrived at the point he did under his own rationale. That's why I say Brian Cox's General Stryker is one of the best villains Marvel has ever put on screen. We can see where he's coming from, what with what happened to his wife because of his son and all. It doesn't excuse attempted genocide in the least and he's still easy to hate yet he's still three dimensional.

I know, I was just stating the usual explanation for the creating the "poor unfortunate" type of villains.

[Wolvieboy17]

How many times has that really happened though? In Superhero films. With the exception of any Raimi films, how many Superhero films have used that angle?

I would wager it is still the minority.

[The Morningstar]

Doc Ock talked to his friggin tentacles. So he loses.

[kedrell]

Well Magneto was kind of that version-lite. I liked Magneto but thought it would have been even better if McKellan had given him even more of an edge. Magneto doesn't even really kill anyone in the first movie. At best all he does is experiment on Senator Kelly which ends up killing him. But killing him wasn't even what Maggy wanted to accomplish. It was just a mistake. He got a bit better in X2 but by then he had competition from Cox in the same movie who ended up being the better villain.

[The Morningstar]

http://comiccritics.com/2010/01/31/insert-brand-new-day-joke-here/

i just love this comic.

This is amazing. And 100% true.

[The Morningstar]

Well Magneto was kind of that version-lite. I liked Magneto but thought it would have been even better if McKellan had given him even more of an edge. Magneto doesn't even really kill anyone in the first movie. At best all he does is experiment on Senator Kelly which ends up killing him. But killing him wasn't even what Maggy wanted to accomplish. It was just a mistake. He got a bit better in X2 but by then he had competition from Cox in the same movie who ended up being the better villain.

Magneto isn't really evil either though. He's more like a really over protective/over zealous father who wants the best for his "children" and will go to extremes to accomplish that.

He isn't a full blown psychopath or muderer.

[kedrell]

Magneto isn't really evil either though. He's more like a really over protective/over zealous father who wants the best for his "children" and will go to extremes to accomplish that.

He isn't a full blown psychopath or muderer.

Then the change from XM1 to XM2 for him makes no sense. Because in XM2 he IS that now. He tries to kill everyone on Earth for cryin' out loud. If that's not a gigantic pendulum swing in the way a character behaves, I don't know what is.

Thankfully, we are now going to get another actor's interpretation of the character and hopefully some of these issues can be addressed and/or fixed.

[The Morningstar]

It was a natural progression. He was still being a over zealous father to the mutants. His plot to turn the worlds most powerful figures into mutants in X-1 failed, so he came back with an even more extremist plot.

I wouldn't say that's being pure evil in a one dimensional way.

[Doctor Who]

I just completed my cup collection today with Lady Sif; life is good. :woot:

[kedrell]

It was a natural progression. He was still being a over zealous father to the mutants. His plot to turn the worlds most powerful figures into mutants in X-1 failed, so he came back with an even more extremist plot.

I wouldn't say that's being pure evil in a one dimensional way.


No, my criticism of Magneto isn't what I bolded. I never said he was one-dimensional. My criticism is that it wasn't so natural a progression but rather a gigantic leap from one villainous plot to the other. His plot in X1 was kind hearted by comparison. Doesn't add up for me.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well that was hardly Mags being a sympathetic victim. They explained his motives, but never made him sympathetic. And he did try to kill both the world leaders and then the entire human race.

[The Morningstar]

He didn't intend to kill the world leaders in X-1 did he? He didn't realize the transformation killed Senator Kelly at that point. He thought he was just turning them into mutants.

Then in X-2 he obviously thinks that is too soft an approach, he's obviously grown more angry, so his next plot is far more extreme.

I'd say my favourite Marvel villains thus far are Stane, Magneto, Nomak and i'd throw Bullseye in there too. Sure he wasn't this deep, three dimensional guy who had a motive for being bad. But i don't think that's a necessarily bad thing. He just took some kind of weird sexual ecstacy out of killing people. And after Daredevil made him miss, he grew a kinda, inferiority complex and obsession over him which made him want to prove he was the best even more. Which is pretty much spot on for Bullseye.

But anyway, to the topic of Thor, I'm very confident that Hiddleston's Loki will be a brilliant villain. As soon as he was cast in the role I immediately thought we'd be getting an amazing villain.

[kedrell]

Well that was hardly Mags being a sympathetic victim. They explained his motives, but never made him sympathetic. And he did try to kill both the world leaders and then the entire human race.


I'm really not on sympathetic villain topic anymore with my criticism of Magneto. It's more about how the progression of his villainy goes from 2 to 10 in the blink of an eye with no real lead up to how he made such a leap. He wasn't trying to kill the world leaders in the first film. You could almost argue that he was actually trying to do everybody a favor by giving them all superpowers(except Rogue, who's life he was willing to sacrifice to accomplish this). And from that we get to attempted global genocide? Too great a leap, if you ask me. Maybe by the 3rd film he could have gotten to that point and it would've felt not rushed or forced, but alas that's not what happened. In fact in X3 he regressed and had smaller/less evil plans. Quite an inconsistent character they made, I must say.

[kedrell]

But anyway, to the topic of Thor, I'm very confident that Hiddleston's Loki will be a brilliant villain. As soon as he was cast in the role I immediately thought we'd be getting an amazing villain.

I knew nothing about Hiddleston prior to his casting and I still have yet to see him in anything. But I was hopeful since Loki is one of comic's best villains and I'd have hated for him to suffer the same fate as Green Goblin, Galactus, Kingpin or Dr. Doom. Looks like it'll be good.

[The Morningstar]

I've seen him on a few TV shows over here in Britain. And he's worked in the West End doing theatre. He's a great actor. He's like one of those old school thespians in a young mans body.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Damnit! My local theater isn't selling Tickets ahead of time. Well, not right now, anyway.

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm really not on sympathetic villain topic anymore with my criticism of Magneto. It's more about how the progression of his villainy goes from 2 to 10 in the blink of an eye with no real lead up to how he made such a leap. He wasn't trying to kill the world leaders in the first film. You could almost agrue that he was actually trying to do everybody a favor by giving them all superpowers(except Rogue, who's life he was willing to sacrifice to accomplish this). And from that we get to attempted global genocide? Too great a leap, if you ask me. Maybe by the 3rd film he could have gotten to that point and it would've felt not rushed or forced, but alas that's not what happened. In fact in X3 he regressed and had smaller/less evil plans. Quite an inconsistent character they made, I must say.

It's not his original intention to kill the world leaders, but if you remember, he gets told that the machine killed Senator Kelly and will likely kill the leaders and he doesn't care. Also, let's not forget in this universe, Magneto has been a bad dude for a long time now. Who knows what he's done before. It's not like the Liberty City incident is his first attack on homo sapiens.


I'd say my favourite Marvel villains thus far are Stane, Magneto, Nomak and i'd throw Bullseye in there too. Sure he wasn't this deep, three dimensional guy who had a motive for being bad. But i don't think that's a necessarily bad thing. He just took some kind of weird sexual ecstacy out of killing people. And after Daredevil made him miss, he grew a kinda, inferiority complex and obsession over him which made him want to prove he was the best even more. Which is pretty much spot on for Bullseye.


Except that he was hopelessly Irish and entirely non-self aware. He was way too camp and following that cliche of the 'quirky mad man' villain, which is not like Bullseye at all. Whilst he does relish in the kill, he's normally portrayed as fairly cunning and sharp. Colin Farrell as Bullseye was close to Jigsaw's portrayal in 'Punisher: Warzone"

[Wolvieboy17]

Oh, btw, just bought my tickets online. In 24 hours time I shall be sitting in a cinema with my eye balls popping out of my head (and no doubt pushing up against the inside of the lenses of my 3D glasses). When I was booking my tickets, I couldn't help but sing out loud "It's Thorsday, Thorsday, Thoooorsday, Which seat shall I take? Watch it from the front seats, watch it from the" which is about when my GF politely told me she would rather die than hear the rest of that song. THOR! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!

[The Morningstar]

Except that he was hopelessly Irish and entirely non-self aware. He was way too camp and following that cliche of the 'quirky mad man' villain, which is not like Bullseye at all. Whilst he does relish in the kill, he's normally portrayed as fairly cunning and sharp. Colin Farrell as Bullseye was close to Jigsaw's portrayal in 'Punisher: Warzone"

The Irish thing is a superficial change that has no bearing on the actual character of Bullseye.

I didn't think he was that camp. Murdering an old granny then looking like he is almost having an orgasm listening to her last gurgling breaths is camp?

I don't see how Bullseye in the comics isn't quirky? He isn't some straight laced, deadly serious guy. He has a lot of fun doing what he does. And i'd also say he takes some kinda sexual delight in killing people. Farrell portrayed that well.

And what do you mean by self aware? How is Bullseye self aware in the comics?

[Wolvieboy17]

The Irish thing is a superficial change that has no bearing on the actual character of Bullseye.

Well it's not like he just happened to be Irish, they made him 'Oiiiiiiirish'. They played it as part of his character, made it his whole demeanour, how he expressed himself. He was all 'Tideedideedi, meat n' potaters!'.

I didn't think he was that camp. Murdering an old granny then looking like he is almost having an orgasm listening to her last gurgling breaths is camp? Well the fact that is was portrayed in an extremely silly way. It had no bearing on the plot, which is fine if it's a character developing moment, but in this instant where they had a nice scene to show him as however screwed up and depraved they wanted him to be, he came off looking silly. Compare that to the evil of say Joker torturing the Batman wannabe in TDK. One is gritty and compelling and chilling, and the other is camp and silly.

I don't see how Bullseye in the comics isn't quirky? He isn't some straight laced, deadly serious guy. He has a lot of fun doing what he does. And i'd also say he takes some kinda sexual delight in killing people. Farrell portrayed that well.

I still think he could have been taken a lot more seriously. Daredevil needs a much darker, more serious tone than that whole film had and Bullseye is one of the key characters who breaks that tone. I know everyone compares superhero films these days to TDK, but tonally, Daredevil is probably most similar to Batman (also maybe Moon Knight). His villains are all mob thugs and killers and hired guns and he operates out of the slums. So in this world, that they were so close to painting with his Dad being killed in the beginning, just gets blurred and ruined with the silly elements of that film, like Murdoch fighting Electra in the playground, Evanescence training montage and Bullseye in general. Also, there's something so forced about his character. It's like every single thing he did, someone just thought he was hilarious, either the writer or director. That scene at the end with him and the fly annoys me every time. Why is that needed?

And what do you mean by self aware? How is Bullseye self aware in the comics?

Well, he's not so bumbling and singleminded, he's conscious of what he's doing and aware that he IS in fact a psychopath.

I get your point, Bullseye is portrayed similarly to how he is in the comics, but it's a pretty shallow portrayal. It's like an accurate black and white drawing of him, but then someone has coloured it all in using the wrong colours AND gone outside the lines :P

[kedrell]

He played Bullseye in a very over the top way. Now I'll admit to knowing pretty much zilch about how Bullseye is in the comics other than just how he looks but being over the top and having the audience take him as a serious threat with some menace tend to cancel each other out and I don't think it really worked in the DD movie. It can be done, I guess but it's very hard to pull off.

[Wolvieboy17]

Agreed. On one side of the scale you get Heath Ledgers Joker, on the other side you get Warzone Jigsaw. It's hard to get those kind of characters just right.

[kedrell]

It's not his original intention to kill the world leaders, but if you remember, he gets told that the machine killed Senator Kelly and will likely kill the leaders and he doesn't care.

Actually he simply didn't believe them and thought they were BS'ing him to stop his plan.

Also, let's not forget in this universe, Magneto has been a bad dude for a long time now. Who knows what he's done before. It's not like the Liberty City incident is his first attack on homo sapiens.

Yeah but still all pretty speculative considering the fact that we're told nothing about any of that. If it was important(for explaining his character arc) then they should have told us in the film.

[kedrell]

Agreed. On one side of the scale you get Heath Ledgers Joker, on the other side you get Warzone Jigsaw. It's hard to get those kind of characters just right.

I wouldn't call Ledger's Joker over the top. Nicholson's was. Romero's REALLY was. Ledger's was practically downplayed by comparison and it seemed that they went for a more eccentric take.

I never saw Warzone so I have no opinion on Jigsaw. Hell, I know even less about the character from the comics than I do about Bulllseye.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Holy cow! I just saw the first Thor TV spot on German TV! (The dubbing sucks, as usually...I will go to the English cinema for the first two times before I watch the German version)

[kedrell]

I don't blame you, especially if you know the Native language the film was shot in. Sometimes I've wished I could easily learn another language real quick so I wouldn't have to put up with subtitles or dubbing.

[The Morningstar]

Well it's not like he just happened to be Irish, they made him 'Oiiiiiiirish'. They played it as part of his character, made it his whole demeanour, how he expressed himself. He was all 'Tideedideedi, meat n' potaters!'.

I don't think so. Colin Farrell just has a thick Irish accent.


Well the fact that is was portrayed in an extremely silly way. It had no bearing on the plot, which is fine if it's a character developing moment, but in this instant where they had a nice scene to show him as however screwed up and depraved they wanted him to be, he came off looking silly. Compare that to the evil of say Joker torturing the Batman wannabe in TDK. One is gritty and compelling and chilling, and the other is camp and silly.I don't think he was silly. I thought he was funny, in a twisted, depraved sorta way.

Why should the granny scene and his near orgasmic reaction have a bearing on the plot? It just shows that the character takes a sick, almost sexual delight in killing people. Same as in the scene where he killed Elektra in the Directors Cut he nibbled on her lip.

Point is, you wouldn't want to come across that character in real life.



I still think he could have been taken a lot more seriously. Daredevil needs a much darker, more serious tone than that whole film had and Bullseye is one of the key characters who breaks that tone. I know everyone compares superhero films these days to TDK, but tonally, Daredevil is probably most similar to Batman (also maybe Moon Knight). His villains are all mob thugs and killers and hired guns and he operates out of the slums. So in this world, that they were so close to painting with his Dad being killed in the beginning, just gets blurred and ruined with the silly elements of that film, like Murdoch fighting Electra in the playground, Evanescence training montage and Bullseye in general. Also, there's something so forced about his character. It's like every single thing he did, someone just thought he was hilarious, either the writer or director. That scene at the end with him and the fly annoys me every time. Why is that needed?I thought Daredevil did have a dark, serious tone. Apart from the playground scene, which yea, was god awful.

I think Daredevil showed a tortured vigilante better than the Nolan films. The scene where he is about to go to sleep, but then hears that women being murdered? That's torture. Or beating the crap out of a thug, only to realize his young child is watching it and crapping his pants? That's torture. The women he loves thinks he kills her father, leaving her an orphan? That's torture.

Difference between Nolans Bat films and this film, is the characters don't go on long diatribes or monologues talking about their feelings.

I think Nolan's Batman movies are vastly overrated. People don't talk like real human beings. They are constantly spoon feeding their feelings and whacking you round the head with DARK FEAR KNIGHT CHAOS MORALS!

They're about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the knee caps.



Well, he's not so bumbling and singleminded, he's conscious of what he's doing and aware that he IS in fact a psychopath.I think movie Bullseye is aware of this too. He just doesn't care though. Well, he actually takes delight in the fact, which is pure Bullseye.


I get your point, Bullseye is portrayed similarly to how he is in the comics, but it's a pretty shallow portrayal. It's like an accurate black and white drawing of him, but then someone has coloured it all in using the wrong colours AND gone outside the lines :PI think Bullseye is a shallow villain anyway. There isn't really much else to him other than taking pure delight in killing people, wanting to be the best assassin in the world, and being dangerously obsessed with Matt Murdock and Elektra.

Still think he's a brilliant villain though.

[ToilesHeroiques]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P4U3noqS8ZI/Ta7TaMu1HWI/AAAAAAAAGiE/HI3MwHW1zkk/s1600/THOR-poster-toiles-heroiques.jpg

http://lestoilesheroiques.blogspot.com/2011/04/thor-poster-francais-inedit-acura-vs.html

A new french Thor poster ! :yay:

[The Morningstar]

Pretty cool.

[Aesop Rocks]

RealIronMan is my favorite human ever. He totes saw it and told me the after credit scene.

F spoilers.

[Vartha]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P4U3noqS8ZI/Ta7TaMu1HWI/AAAAAAAAGiE/HI3MwHW1zkk/s1600/THOR-poster-toiles-heroiques.jpg

http://lestoilesheroiques.blogspot.com/2011/04/thor-poster-francais-inedit-acura-vs.html

A new french Thor poster ! :yay:
Nice!

[IronMan_MarkV]

Tell me if this is weird, they announced IMAX 3D today for Thor, but I've had tickets for my local IMAX theater (that I bought off Fandango) since last Thursday.

[Vartha]

I don't think that's too weird, I mean the theaters knows what they order along time before it gets there. Sounds like a bit of late advertising to me, almost like they didn't want to take away from what is on that screen right now.

[IronMan_MarkV]

Either way, it made me go back and double check my order to make sure it was IMAX 3D as opposed to IMAX or 3D.

[Wolvieboy17]

[quote=KendrellI wouldn't call Ledger's Joker over the top. Nicholson's was. Romero's REALLY was. Ledger's was practically downplayed by comparison and it seemed that they went for a more eccentric take.

I never saw Warzone so I have no opinion on Jigsaw. Hell, I know even less about the character from the comics than I do about Bulllseye.[/quote]

I meant him as an example on the good end of the spectrum, playing insane the right way. And yeah, Jigsaw in Warzone was like a really bad, hammy, forced brooklyn version of Nicholson's Joker.

[Vartha]

Either way, it made me go back and double check my order to make sure it was IMAX 3D as opposed to IMAX or 3D.
AH ok gotcha! Well with Thor I'd worry if you wanted to see 2D over 3D since they have advertised the 2d being in select theaters.
By the way do not forget to bring a handi-Wipe alcohol cloth. I don't trust ANY theater's cleaning of those glasses. Not that I don't trust my theater for doing their job but after a study of glasses about 5 months ago I don't trust ANY of them.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, they didn't even have a 2d option in my cineplex, and it's a huge cinema, they normally offer both. I hope it's not too distracting, although my friend said it was the best 3D upconversion he'd ever seen. Apparently it was almost hard to tell the difference between it and proper 3D camera shot films.

19 hours until i'm in the cinema, bracing for geekgasm!

[piccolo]

I wonder if there's any way to find out where the largest screen in your area is.

[Vartha]

Yeah, they didn't even have a 2d option in my cineplex, and it's a huge cinema, they normally offer both. I hope it's not too distracting, although my friend said it was the best 3D upconversion he'd ever seen. Apparently it was almost hard to tell the difference between it and proper 3D camera shot films.

19 hours until i'm in the cinema, bracing for geekgasm!

I'M JEALOUS too!!! GAH we gotta wait!!!!

[Wolvieboy17]

I'll be sure to give you my thoughts Vartha, and maybe some info that will keep you going until the release :P

[Bren]

Joy, I just heard that IMAX has closed in South Africa. Of course, I'm a bit slow, it closed down last year June. But what a crap bit of news to hear less than 3 weeks from Thor!

[Vartha]

I wonder if there's any way to find out where the largest screen in your area is.
I don't know Pic. IMAX is normally the larger screens and there are Theaters that play IMAX film but aren't IMAX size.
The theaters in my area are your average multiplex sized screens. Closest IMAX is 3 hours away for me.

[Bren]

GAH

General Audience Haters?
General Audience Hopefuls
General Audience Happiness?

What do you MEAN!!!!!!!!

:cwink:

[Vartha]

Joy, I just heard that IMAX has closed in South Africa. Of course, I'm a bit slow, it closed down last year June. But what a crap bit of news to hear less than 3 weeks from Thor!
That stinks Bren. Kind of reminds me of when I lived north of Chicago and the closest Drive-Inn theater closed. I enjoyed that place. They had the modern transmitters for your car speakers and stereo.

[terry78]

Is something going on here?

[IronMan_MarkV]

AH ok gotcha! Well with Thor I'd worry if you wanted to see 2D over 3D since they have advertised the 2d being in select theaters.
By the way do not forget to bring a handi-Wipe alcohol cloth. I don't trust ANY theater's cleaning of those glasses. Not that I don't trust my theater for doing their job but after a study of glasses about 5 months ago I don't trust ANY of them.


Lol yeah, I know what you mean about the glasses. I'm covered in that regard because I wear eyeglasses anyway, and I always carry around those cleaning wipes in my pocket.

Though the glasses at my theater are a lot better now than the kind they had when I saw Avatar in 2009. Those were more like goggles and they would fog up and be sweaty after 10 minutes of having them on. So imagine how many people saw Avatar and had to put that same pair on, regardless of cleaning it's like would you wear some stranger's underwear even if you were told they were washed?

I probably just need to take a pair of the 3D glasses home after a movie, thoroughly wash them and use the same pair everytime I go see an IMAX movie.

[Vartha]

General Audience Haters?
General Audience Hopefuls
General Audience Happiness?

What do you MEAN!!!!!!!!

:cwink:
just plan GAH :D

[Vartha]

Lol yeah, I know what you mean about the glasses. I'm covered in that regard because I wear eyeglasses anyway, and I always carry around those cleaning wipes in my pocket.

Though the glasses at my theater are a lot better now than the kind they had when I saw Avatar in 2009. Those were more like goggles and they would fog up and be sweaty after 10 minutes of having them on. So imagine how many people saw Avatar and had to put that same pair on, regardless of cleaning it's like would you wear some stranger's underwear even if you were told they were washed?

I probably just need to take a pair of the 3D glasses home after a movie, thoroughly wash them and use the same pair everytime I go see an IMAX movie.
It's not so much the sweat I'm turned off from. The study that was done basically showed that people took them too the wash room or didn't wash their hands afterwords.

[IronMan_MarkV]

You're supposed to wash your hands?

[Vartha]

You're supposed to wash your hands?
lol yeah if you go to the CAN you wash your hands. The study showed signs of FECES on those glasses.

[Bren]

You're supposed to wash your hands?

If you need to be told this, then let me finish the training by telling you you use the basin to wash in, not the bowl. Otherwise the purpose is defeated :woot:.

[piccolo]

I don't know Pic. IMAX is normally the larger screens and there are Theaters that play IMAX film but aren't IMAX size.
The theaters in my area are your average multiplex sized screens. Closest IMAX is 3 hours away for me.

Yeah, exactly. There's an imax theater in a place around me i've been to a few times, saw Iron Man 2 there, and its in no way as big as I expected. I may have to do some scouting beforehand and narrow it down between theaters.

[IronMan_MarkV]

And all this time I've been wiping my hands off on the people who were sitting in front of me during the movie.

No wonder no one ever wants to share popcorn with me.

[Vartha]

If you need to be told this, then let me finish the training by telling you you use the basin to wash in, not the bowl. Otherwise the purpose is defeated :woot:.
hahahaha

[protocida]

RealIronMan is my favorite human ever. He totes saw it and told me the after credit scene.

F spoilers.
Details?

[Vartha]

And all this time I've been wiping my hands off on the people who were sitting in front of me during the movie.

No wonder no one ever wants to share popcorn with me.
hahaha remind me not to go to the theater you go to the next time I'm in the area. :D

[Vartha]

I'll be sure to give you my thoughts Vartha, and maybe some info that will keep you going until the release :P
hehe Yeah I'm hoping the info from you guys will help easy that wait.

[protocida]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?

[Vartha]

Yeah, exactly. There's an imax theater in a place around me i've been to a few times, saw Iron Man 2 there, and its in no way as big as I expected. I may have to do some scouting beforehand and narrow it down between theaters.
I'm not even sure of the actual measurements of an average IMAX

[Vartha]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?
Those are the only things so far. Wolvie's going to keep an extra eye out for things in that treasure room.

[kedrell]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?

I thought the cosmic cube was in there as well?

[Vartha]

No the Cube's in a tomb Odin hid on Earth.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yep. Anything I don't recognise i'll try and describe here, see if anyone knows what they are.

[IronMan_MarkV]

hahaha remind me not to go to the theater you go to the next time I'm in the area. :D

You won't be my wash rag? :dry:

[RealIrOnMaN]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?
That's pretty much it.

[Wolvieboy17]

Ah! The eye of Ags is actually there! Now i'm doubly excited for tonight! WAHHHHHHHHHH!

[Vartha]

You won't be my wash rag? :dry:
lol not if I have the Alcohol wipes. :D

[Vartha]

That's pretty much it.
Wow the eye of Aggy IS in the Vault?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Wow the eye of Aggy IS in the Vault?
Yep, but if you'll blink - you'll miss it)

[Vartha]

Saweet!!!

[RealIrOnMaN]

I'm definitely going to buy this baby on Blu-Ray.

[Vartha]

lol I'm going to buy a blu-ray player to play this on blu-ray! I'm not missing out on ANY Thor Extras like I did on IM2. :D

[kedrell]

I'd buy a blue ray player but unfortunately that means I'd also have to buy a TV.

[Vartha]

I'd buy a blue ray player but unfortunately that means I'd also have to buy a TV.
heh unless you buy a portable blu-ray player with a screen. :D

[Raiden]

I'd buy a blue ray player but unfortunately that means I'd also have to buy a TV.

I heard LCD TV isn't that expensive nowadays, unless you want a huge one like 48" or something.

[Pac-Master]

Well, it comes out tomorrow overseas...I must avoid Youtube at all costs.

[Vartha]

I heard LCD TV isn't that expensive nowadays, unless you want a huge one like 48" or something.
Yeah I got my flat TUBE tv just before all thos Flat screens dropped in price. :(

[Vartha]

Well, it comes out tomorrow overseas...I must avoid Youtube at all costs.
hehehe Bettin' you won't be able too pac.

[Raiden]

I still don't understand why other countries like Australia gets Thor 2 weeks before we do. Ugh. :csad:

[Pac-Master]

hehehe Bettin' you won't be able too pac.
Well, I've managed to stay away from after credits spoilers for this long, I guess staying away from Thor stuff on Youtube wouldn't hurt.

[Vartha]

Well, I've managed to stay away from after credits spoilers for this long, I guess staying away from Thor stuff on Youtube wouldn't hurt.
heh Corpy's pretty much done the same thing. lol

[kedrell]

http://i51.tinypic.com/2qsx6kx.jpg

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yep, but if you'll blink - you'll miss it)
AWESOME!!!!!!:awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:: awesome:

[RetroNaz]

Today is the day I see Thor guys!

It's 8:55am here in Australia, I get to go to the 6:00pm session - 3D!!!

Wooohooo!

[Vartha]

Today is the day I see Thor guys!

It's 8:55am here in Australia, I get to go to the 6:00pm session - 3D!!!

Wooohooo!
Can't wait to see your Review Retro!

[S.A.A.D.]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?

:awesome:

[Raiden]

Today is the day I see Thor guys!

It's 8:55am here in Australia, I get to go to the 6:00pm session - 3D!!!

Wooohooo!

Let us know what you think about the movie. :thor:

[flickchick85]

Just a heads up for those in the US dying for anything and everything Thor-related right now (like I am): Entertainment Tonight just advertised that they'll be having a Thor feature tomorrow. It looked like it might have just been a Hemsworth interview, though.

[steintym]

Wow, can't wait to start hearing the fan reviews from you guys that get to see it early. Please share ... :woot:

[protocida]

If the Reviews are anything to go by, Thor is going to be a hit. If so, a sequel will most likely be greenlighted after The Avengers. What do you think we'll be seeing there? My predictions would be Beta Ray Bill, Encantor and Skurge, Malekith, maybe an Earth-bound villain like Absorbing Man or Radioactive Man.

[Chewy]

-Balder
-Hela
-Enchantress and Executioner
-Surtur and Fire Demons
-Ulik and Rock Trolls
-Malekith, Kurse and Dark Elves
-Karnilla and Norn Stones
-Hercules and Olympians

These are all things I would love to see on film. Obviously only two or three would fit in a sequel though

[protocida]

No Beta Ray Bill?

[Chewy]

I just don't see him working on film.

[BigThor]

I don't like seeing characters like Beta Ray Bill in CMB films, it's like "Wow, he has the same powers as the main hero" :dry:. Characters like that should stay in the comic books in my opinion, they steal the thunder from the main heroes (no pun intented).

I really don't care for seeing any Olympians in the MCU either (especially a Thor film), I think the Asgardians are enough.

[Sebastos]

Any information on what's inside Odin's vault, aside from the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Eye of Argamotto and the Infinity Gauntlet?

*wipes eyes* :wow: Am I reading this correctly?!

[protocida]

Yes.

Well, kinda. I misspelled "Agamotto".

[BigThor]

However, I'd certainly like to see Ulik, Enchantress & Executioner, Ymir, Surter, Kurse, Malekith and Balder appear at some point in the sequel.

[Doctor Jones]

Today is the day I see Thor guys!

It's 8:55am here in Australia, I get to go to the 6:00pm session - 3D!!!

Wooohooo!

Wow, it's 9:48 pm here in the U.S. ET.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Hype thinks of it.

[Wolvieboy17]

I had a funny thought the other day.... Alex Skargard as Baldur in a potential sequel? It'd just be nice to fit him in this universe somewhere :)

Otherwise, Baldur would be a great character to bring up in sequels, to add to the conflict within the family

[Chewy]

I think a Malekith/Kurse film would be right up Branagh's alley. Of course Kurse's "transformation" would need to be altered to avoid the Beyonder.

[HighFivingMF]

I'm not very familiar with Thor comics, but Beta Ray Bill sounds like something that's very not good. Or is there more to him than just being Thor with a goat face?

[Chewy]

I'm not very familiar with Thor comics, but Beta Ray Bill sounds like something that's very not good. Or is there more to him than just being Thor with a goat face?
Not really. He can be an interesting character but he serves no real purpose beyond that. He was the first person other than Thor to lift Mjolnir.

[Spider-Vader]

Grrrr... Why doesn't Marvel release the film to everyone at the same time.

I mean it's a nice treat for the foreign market (as you guys usually get screwed over regarding release dates), but the spoilers....the horrible spoilers!

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm seeing the 8:30 session. 8 hours away. Happy Thorsday everyone!

[Iron_Stark]

I don't like seeing characters like Beta Ray Bill in CMB films, it's like "Wow, he has the same powers as the main hero" :dry:. Characters like that should stay in the comic books in my opinion, they steal the thunder from the main heroes (no pun intented).

I really don't care for seeing any Olympians in the MCU either (especially a Thor film), I think the Asgardians are enough.

I know how you feel.

Can you imagine IM2 had War Machine, Thor 2 BRB, Cap 2 US Agent, Hulk 2 Rulk. It would suck hard.

Just keep the main hero with his uniqueness intact.

[Chewy]

I had a funny thought the other day.... Alex Skargard as Baldur in a potential sequel? It'd just be nice to fit him in this universe somewhere :)

Otherwise, Baldur would be a great character to bring up in sequels, to add to the conflict within the family
If they really wanted to freak people out they could hire Routh :cwink:

[Wolvieboy17]

I do love Brandon Routh.

I don't see why Olympians wouldn't work in the MCU, it's essentially the same concept of Asgard. It'd be funny if Thor made a reference, like...

Jane Foster: Wait, you're a norse god? A real Norse god?

Thor: What of it? It's no stranger than the gods of Olympus.

Jane Foster: There are real Greek Gods TOO?!?

[steintym]

Can't believe we're finally hitting some release dates.

[Chewy]

I do love Brandon Routh.

I don't see why Olympians wouldn't work in the MCU, it's essentially the same concept of Asgard. It'd be funny if Thor made a reference, like...

Jane Foster: Wait, you're a norse god? A real Norse god?

Thor: What of it? It's no stranger than the gods of Olympus.

Jane Foster: There are real Greek Gods TOO?!?
I think the Olympians would work fine. And who doesn't want to see Thor tussle with Hercules?

[steintym]

Put me down for the Executioner and Enchantress, as well as a Balder appearance, for a sequel. I'm a little surprised Balder didn't make the cut this go around.

[Raiden]

Not really. He can be an interesting character but he serves no real purpose beyond that. He was the first person other than Thor to lift Mjolnir.

I agree; I don't think introducing a goat-faced alien who has the same power as Thor is a bad idea for the sequel. I think a better idea is to focus more on the Warrior Three & Sif in the sequel, and just introduce new villain or two like Enchantess to the new movie. I also think Loki should always be in a Thor movie, pulling strings and creating havoc.

[Wolvieboy17]

Speaking of lifting Mjolnir, how about this can of worms to open.......... Would anyone else lose their **** (in a good way) if Cap lifted Mjolnir in The Avengers (or a sequel)?

[Chewy]

Speaking of lifting Mjolnir, how about this can of worms to open.......... Would anyone else lose their **** (in a good way) if Cap lifted Mjolnir in The Avengers (or a sequel)?
Not in a good way.

[steintym]

I'd be fine with Cap lifting Mjolnir, but down the road. I rather not see that right out of the gate with The Avengers. Maybe after a sequel or two.

[Chewy]

I dunno, there's something about anyone else lifting Mjolnir on film that rubs me the wrong way. It should be established as a very personal thing for Thor. It'd be like someone else donning Tony Stark's red-and-golds.

[Wolvieboy17]

Really? I think it would be a great team bonding moment for the Avengers and a character defining moment for Cap. I mean, Cap is the only character I ever accepted to be able to lift the hammer. I mean, Stark is trying to be a good person but he is no where near worthy, nor is Hulk or Hawkeye etc.

If Cap lifted that hammer, not only would it have a profound effect on Thor, but I can see the entire team unquivocally accepting him as leader. It would instantly put all scepticism aside.

[lixdexia]

Really? I think it would be a great team bonding moment for the Avengers and a character defining moment for Cap. I mean, Cap is the only character I ever accepted to be able to lift the hammer. I mean, Stark is trying to be a good person but he is no where near worthy, nor is Hulk or Hawkeye etc.

If Cap lifted that hammer, not only would it have a profound effect on Thor, but I can see the entire team unquivocally accepting him as leader. It would instantly put all scepticism aside.
i'm cool with cap lifting it, but down the line. you gotta build suspense with these things

[Chewy]

I suppose. But there are other, better ways of establishing Cap as the unquestioned leader.

[Wolvieboy17]

I dunno, there's something about anyone else lifting Mjolnir on film that rubs me the wrong way. It should be established as a very personal thing for Thor. It'd be like someone else donning Tony Stark's red-and-golds.

Oh I agree, it would have to be handled with care. But because it is such a personal thing to Thor, it also has the potential to be extremely meaningful. I would equate it to Navi's bonding their ponytail things etc, but for Cap to lift Mjolnir it would be like the hammer itself accepts Cap, which would almost forge an immediate and eternal bond between Thor and Cap. Hell, it would essentially make them blood brothers. Imagine if Cap picked it up (no finesse mind you, not knowing how to use the powers of it) and just beat the ever loving crap out of whatever villain they were facing. Then he holds it outstretched to a stunned Thor and said something like "This is yours." And then have Thor call him Brother or something, or kneel to him. I think that could be an amazing moment between Thor and Cap.

Alot of the talk for Avengers has been about the contrast between Stark and Rogers but I always loved the relationship between Thor and Cap just as much.

[Wolvieboy17]

I suppose. But there are other, better ways of establishing Cap as the unquestioned leader.

As a leader, perhaps, but as a friend and brother in arms? Earning that level of respect and love from a god would be no easy feat :P

[steintym]

Like I mentioned, I'm fine with it down the road. I want the films to really establish what a unique weapon Mjolnir is for Thor. Too early and I don't think the GA would get that.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I reckon Avengers 2.

Avengers one would be more about forming the team, having them learn to work together. 2 would be about cementing them all to one another as a family type bond. Whedon's great at that. Think of Firefly, the team dynamic is like a family.

[protocida]

Loki manipulating Humanity into believing that Thor is a mentally unstable result of a failed attempt to reproduce the Supersoldier Program and turning the government against him would be interesting to see.

[Raiden]

Oh I agree, it would have to be handled with care. But because it is such a personal thing to Thor, it also has the potential to be extremely meaningful. I would equate it to Navi's bonding their ponytail things etc, but for Cap to lift Mjolnir it would be like the hammer itself accepts Cap, which would almost forge an immediate and eternal bond between Thor and Cap. Hell, it would essentially make them blood brothers. Imagine if Cap picked it up (no finesse mind you, not knowing how to use the powers of it) and just beat the ever loving crap out of whatever villain they were facing. Then he holds it outstretched to a stunned Thor and said something like "This is yours." And then have Thor call him Brother or something, or kneel to him. I think that could be an amazing moment between Thor and Cap.

Alot of the talk for Avengers has been about the contrast between Stark and Rogers but I always loved the relationship between Thor and Cap just as much.

Yeah, if this scene happens in the Avengers it could be very powerful scene indeed, and can instantly give Cap the credibility to become the leader of the Avengers (even though power-wise he's obviously weaker than either Thor or IM). Since Whedon is a fanboy and a comic book writer, hopefully he will come up with great scene like this one you suggested.

[Wolvieboy17]

Loki manipulating Humanity into believing that Thor is a mentally unstable result of a failed attempt to reproduce the Supersoldier Program and turning the government against him would be interesting to see.

To me this was one of the stand out stories in the Ultimates. Having everything gradually crumble as a result of Loki. People are convinced Thor is mentally unstable, Cap is an imposter (which would work quite well, because of how readily everyone accepts it is THE Captain America) etc, all to distract an attack from the league of villains. Hell, they could even still have Black Widow be a double agent.

That story would go well with a sequel, since that is a common formula for good superhero sequels. The first one is about the forming of the team and the bond, the second one is a huge ordeal to test those bonds.

[HighFivingMF]

Oh my God, guys! Please tell me you were watching Conan! :woot::woot:

[protocida]

Not to mention it'd be cool to see the Liberators (I'd mix them with the Masters of Terror tough. Baron Zemo, the Executioner, Crimson Dynamo, Abomination, Black Widow, Wonder-Man, Swarm and Cyclone). Red Skull and Hydra could be financing them.

[steintym]

Damn ... What did we miss?

[meltdown28]

Oh my God, guys! Please tell me you were watching Conan! :woot::woot:
What happened on Conan?

[HighFivingMF]

Damn ... What did we miss?
They played the Thor trailer after Conan said "He looks like Thor... But watch the trailer. I think they got the wrong guy for the part." and they dubbed all of Chris's lines with a high-pitched feminine/stereotypical gay voice. He did the tazer scene, and the "YOU ARE AN OLD MAN AND A FOOL!" line. And when he threw the hammer at the beast he shouted "Take this B****! I'm THOOOOR!"

[protocida]

Sounds funny.

But I'd expect an "exclusive" clip from Return of the Incredible Hulk.

[Wolvieboy17]

Hahaha. The most awesome thing to happen to me today was texting my friend to wish him a happy Thorsday and before I'd even gotten to the 'r' it auto completed itself. Victory!

[Wolvieboy17]

Btw, we've heard next to nothing from Rene Russo or anything about Frigga. I assume she's only in a few scenes as a sympathetic voice in Odin's ear, and perhaps a moral voice once Loki is in control.

Also, I forget, is Loki a half brother or merely adopted. I seem to remember a couple of different versions. He'd have to only be half frost giant in order to look Human (or Asgardian) right? Does that mean Frigga frigged a Frostie?

[protocida]

He's adopted. And it appears that most of Frigga's scenes got cut.

[Wolvieboy17]

Then how come he doesn't look like a frost giant? Is he part Dark elf or something too?

[Whiskey Tango]

The few pieces that have mentioned Russo have also suggested that she find a new agent. :D

[Chewy]

Then how come he doesn't look like a frost giant? Is he part Dark elf or something too?
He is a frost giant runt

I think he's not blue because he grew up away from Jotunheim

[Chewy]

The actual, real world reason he's not blue is that none of the Frost Giants were originally. This is what Laufey first looked like:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718172202/marveldatabase/images/thumb/5/5d/Laufey.png/380px-Laufey.png

I guess they felt making Loki blue later was too drastic a change.

In comics it hasn't really been explained.

[Wolvieboy17]

That's right. I think it was more believable in the comics because the Frost Giants sorta looked humanoid, just large with pointy ears and stuff. Since the film Frosties look so different, I wonder if they'll keep the same origin or change it a little.

[protocida]

In the comics, they say that Loki was simply born small and clear-skinned, and for this, he was hidden by Laufey in shame until Odin adopted him.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I just read that on Wikipedia.

I wonder if they'll ever work Ragnarok into the films

[Spider-Fan]

The Thor films should build up to that.

[protocida]

It'd be a downer way to end the trilogy, but it would also be epic. Thor fighting Surtur, Ymir and a powered-up Loki.

[S.A.A.D.]

I'm looking forward to seeing Colm Feore as 'Laufey'. He sounds great.

[Chewy]

That's right. I think it was more believable in the comics because the Frost Giants sorta looked humanoid, just large with pointy ears and stuff. Since the film Frosties look so different, I wonder if they'll keep the same origin or change it a little.
The Frost Giants were blue in JMS's run like they are in the film. Except for Loki.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, they were blue but they looked more humanoid than the film ones. And Young Loki had blue lines on his head and pointy ears.

Colm Feore is great, i've been watching him in The Borgias all week and purely getting excited for Thor :P

[Chewy]

Yeah, I just read that on Wikipedia.

I wonder if they'll ever work Ragnarok into the films
They need BALDER for that. And also because he's by far the most major character from the comics missing from this first film.

Second film, Loki teams up with either Enchantress/Executioner or the Dark Elves or something along those lines. Third film, Ragnarok.

There you go, awesome trilogy. :awesome:

[Wolvieboy17]

Which would also leave it open for Thor to reappear like the JMS run, which by that stage in development could also be around the time they could do a Civil War film :P

[Wolvieboy17]

Lol recent tweet from Marvel


The Women of #Thor (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Thor) http://bit.ly/dKhM9H (http://bit.ly/dKhM9H) Natalie Portman & @OfficialKat (http://twitter.com/OfficialKat) talk about making the film! #ThorMonth (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23ThorMonth)

Women of Thor but no Russo. She got frigged again lol

[Chewy]

I really think the Malekith/Kurse arc is an awesome movie waiting to happen, too.

Picture this:
Loki strikes up a partnership with Malekith to take over the 9 realms. They lure Thor into a trap where he engages in battle with Algrim, Malekith's second in command. Thor and Algrim are sent hurdling into lava, and while Thor narrowly escapes Algrim is horrifically mutilated. Loki (replacing Beyonder) saves Algrim and transforms him into Kurse, significantly boosting all of his powers. Kurse is tricked into thinking the whole thing was Thor's fault and freaks out, setting about destroying Thor's life. Meanwhile Loki, Malekith and the Dark Elves set about overrunning Asgard and causing chaos.

Battles and tragedy ensue in Thor's life before Kurse realizes the whole thing was Malekith's fault. Kurse and Thor together journey to Asgard to stop Malekith and Loki. Kurse dies heroically in the process, but not before murdering the **** out of Malekith.

Of course, that whole story could also basically occur with Enchantress/Executioner taking the places of Malekith/Kurse (although Skurge wouldnt kill Amora), but Kurse is one of my favorite Thor villains. Especially when he's freaking out at Thor.

[S.A.A.D.]

I wonder if there are other feats of 'strength' that Thor displays in the movie, aside from the ones that we know of.

[MikeFrost]

In the comics, they say that Loki was simply born small and clear-skinned, and for this, he was hidden by Laufey in shame until Odin adopted him.

I smell interacial relationship! :awesome:

[Raiden]

Lol recent tweet from Marvel



Women of Thor but no Russo. She got frigged again lol

You mean she got Frigga'd. :cwink: :woot:

[Wolvieboy17]

Well yes, that was the joke :P