The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - Part 3

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[Chewy]

Thread Manageeeeeer!! :argh:

[Crimson King]

Chewy, you've been the last post on about three different threads now. I call shenanigans.

[R_Hythlodeus]

wait! did I miss something? all this talk about the Thor post credit scene....has it leaked? if so, what can be seen?

[Chewy]

Chewy, you've been the last post on about three different threads now. I call shenanigans.
Wherever Thread Manager goes, I'll be there. :o

[Guerrilla]

So what is the post-thor ending scene supposed to be? I have yet to find out the leaked story....I really havent read any theories. Can someone either point me in the right direction or just post it up here please?

[Chewy]

So what is the post-thor ending scene supposed to be? I have yet to find out the leaked story....I really havent read any theories. Can someone either point me in the right direction or just post it up here please?
The Thor thread

[Moridin]

I'll would ask for Thor (and Captain America) spoilers not be posted in this forum, or at least be spoiler tagged and marked. Thor has it's own spoiler forum and I'm already avoiding it, don't want to stop coming in here too.

Cool?

[flickchick85]

I'll would ask for Thor (and Captain America) spoilers not be posted in this forum, or at least be spoiler tagged and marked. Thor has it's own spoiler forum and I'm already avoiding it, don't want to stop coming in here too.

Cool?
Sounds like a good policy to me.

The supposed end credits scene for Thor (major spoiler for Thor and the Avengers, obviously):

Fury talking to Dr. Selvig about the Cosmic Cube (possibly handing it over to Selvig?). Then it's revealed that Dr. Selvig is really Loki in disguise.

[Sebastos]

I'm already trying not to crack and read the Thor spoilers. :o

[Spideyfan93]

Sounds like a good policy to me.

The supposed end credits scene for Thor (major spoiler for Thor and the Avengers, obviously):

Fury talking to Dr. Selvig about the Cosmic Cube (possibly handing it over to Selvig?). Then it's revealed that Dr. Selvig is really Loki in disguise.

Urge....to.....click....rising.......RISING! HEEELLLPP!:wow:

[Sebastos]

:argh: :argh:

[Moridin]

Don't crack guys, it'll be worth it in the end! (Hopefully!):oldrazz:

[Sebastos]

*breaks pencil* I can do this!!!!111

[Pac-Master]

I'm trying to stay away from the details about the after credits scene, too.

I can wait....I think..

[samsnee]

Are we getting a hairy chested Hulk?

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/yes_mark_ruffalos_hulk_will_be.html

[Spideyfan93]

lmao, FANBOY ARGUMENTS BEGIN! Chest hair?! Chest HAIR?! NOOOOOOO ITS THE END OF THE WORLD! I HATE MARVEL! ARGH! I NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE HIS BEAUTIFUL GREEN PECS! I HATE YOU MARVEL!


:)

[Moridin]

"Hulk sick of going to beauty salon and waxing chest. Hulk want to go au naturalle." :bh:

[Rock Sexton]

Chest hair?

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2283585.gif

[Dr Lee]

Please tell me this isn't the start of the great Hairy chest outrage?

So what if he has a hairy chest....

[Doctor Jones]

I think he meant chest hair for Banner. Hence "They didn't ask me to shave my chest hair yet." He said he doesn't know of the extent for the Hulk.

[Wolvieboy17]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuulk waaaaaaaaaaaax!

[Crimson King]

I think we have TheMayor's new troll fodder!

[samsnee]

If Hulk isn't as smooth as a baby's butt, then it's just not Hulk.

[Crimson King]

I'm picturing a 40-year-old Virgin type scene with the Avengers standing around a table as Hulk gets waxed.

KELLY CLARKSON!! RAHH!!!

[marcvader]

It's not a prerequisite for Marvel's actors to go bare chested is it? Oh, wait I think so, Stark, Banner, Thor, and Steve are all shown bare chested in their respective films so far.

[Wolvieboy17]

As long as he still has wings and a swastika, i'm fine.

[Rock Sexton]

THE INCREDIBLE HIRSUTE

http://picju.com/images/0mjhq0.jpg

[Sawyer]

:dry:

Bite the curb. :cmad:

[Rock Sexton]

:dry:

Bite the curb. :cmad:

You first.

[Sawyer]

:nono:

[Wolvieboy17]

"Naughty naughty naught....That's a character I like to do. I call him Dago Frank."

[WillardNation]

Welp, see ya later, Avengers thread!

[herolee10]

Well on a sidenote, I just watched 'Hulk vs Thor', and I can honestly see now as to why so many are hoping for a more fair and accurate fight/scuffle between the two in this film, considering on how much of a one sided fight it was in the animated short.

It's just hard for me to believe that as strong as Hulk is, that he would own a being that is considered 'God-like' from another realm.

Be that as it may, I'm curious to see as to how much control Banner will have over the Hulk in this film, if any, since it'd be pretty hard for the Hulk to be presented in a hero like manner if he can't tell between friend and foe.

[BigThor]

Well on a sidenote, I just watched 'Hulk vs Thor', and I can honestly see now as to why so many are hoping for a more fair and accurate fight/scuffle between the two in this film, considering on how much of a one sided fight it was in the animated short.

It's just hard for me to believe that as strong as Hulk is, that he would own a being that is considered 'God-like' from another realm.

I wish that movie was never made honestly, it's twisted so many people's perception of Thor and made him come off as "weak". I just sigh deeply whenever someone uses that film to show how "superior" Hulk is to Thor.

They way he just tore threw Asgard was ridiculous as well, I was like "ok Marvel this is ridiculous, you have to draw the line somewhere".

So disrespectful :argh:

[louiebling$]

Yea and ol canuck looked better in his vs movie

[BigThor]

Yea and ol canuck looked better in his vs movie

Which was a damn shame :doh:

[Wolvieboy17]

I've noticed they do that with Hulk though, and I kinda understand their reasons. Hulks one thing is his physical strength, which made him stand out early on, but now every superhero and their mum has superstrength, so they have to make Hulk stronger to set him apart from all the other super strengthites. And to be honest, as much as I love Thor, having Hulk beat him is probably the best possible way to portray that. So I understand it, I just don't necessarily agree with it.

I think if they want to make Hulk out to be 'the strongest their is', Thor could still beat him using warrior smarts etc, same way that Wolvie beats him with his tenacity. Ah well, it's just Marvel trying to big up a character. Their portrayals of Hulk have been so scizophrenic of late. Hopefully he's popular enough in The Avengers that they can kind level him out a bit. When Marvel tampers like that, it just ends up looking like they're insecure about the popularity of their characters.

[Spider-ManHero12]

THE INCREDIBLE HIRSUTE



http://picju.com/images/0mjhq0.jpg
LOL, wth?

[JAK®]

It's not about the Hulk simply beating Thor in a fight, as the Hulk IS stronger than Thor, and his anger makes him even stronger. It's that they usually make Thor look hopeless against him, when really Thor is a lot closer to Hulk's base strength and has the benefit of his fighting skills. The fight should be a lot more even.

[Rock Sexton]

LOL, wth?

Having a little fun with the comments Ruffalo recently made about not being asked to shave his chest.

[Carlo Comicus]

Italian site comicus interview with Tom Hiddleston, who talks about Thor and the next Loki apparitions:

http://www.comicus.it/blog/movie-comics/item/48614-intervista-a-tom-hiddleston

[Rock Sexton]

Italian site comicus interview with Tom Hiddleston, who talks about Thor and the next Loki apparitions:

http://www.comicus.it/blog/movie-comics/item/48614-intervista-a-tom-hiddleston

I think it's dope as f- that we get a villain like Loki who'll turn up in multiple Marvel movies. It's like the comics really springing to life on the big screen.

Kudos to Marvel in this department for taking that kind of chance.

[Son of Coul]

And once again, a Hiddleston interview excites me even more for seeing Loki than Thor, which is a tough thing to do.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Having a little fun with the comments Ruffalo recently made about not being asked to shave his chest. Oh, i know, I'm just reacting to how odd it looks, lol.

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Banner's chest hair will magically disappear when he Hulks out, just like Bill Bixby's full beard did in The Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

[Endeavor]

It's not about the Hulk simply beating Thor in a fight, as the Hulk IS stronger than Thor, and his anger makes him even stronger. It's that they usually make Thor look hopeless against him, when really Thor is a lot closer to Hulk's base strength and has the benefit of his fighting skills. The fight should be a lot more even.

:up:
I don't have a problem with Hulk being stronger than everybody else since, well, that's one of those things that should make him stand out. But it should be noted that he's not always at the same power level and it's as his anger grows that his strength increases to a level that allows him to overpower anything (The last 2 episodes of Avengers: EMH showed that perfectly). But in a regular situation the fights should be more balanced.

[BigThor]

It's not about the Hulk simply beating Thor in a fight, as the Hulk IS stronger than Thor, and his anger makes him even stronger. It's that they usually make Thor look hopeless against him, when really Thor is a lot closer to Hulk's base strength and has the benefit of his fighting skills. The fight should be a lot more even.

Exactly, I don't care if Hulk is technically the "strongest there is" but that doesn't mean he has to mop the floor with powerhouse like Thor. As a matter of fact, Thor is closer to the higher level of Hulk's strength than his base level.

That's Marvel's way of big upping their character like Wolvie said, but that doesn't mean they have to **** on another one in the process. Look how DC portays Cpt. Marvel and Superman as being fairly even in their animated appearances, is that so hard to do with Hulk and Thor?

That's one thing that really pisses me off about Marvel :argh:, it's like they're saying "F*** you Thor fans".

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.dvdreview.co.uk/files/2011/04/154-cover.jpg

Finally! Some cool stuff with Ruffalo about the Hulk's inside this magazine. I've also noticed some bits about Thor & Cap.

[Spideyfan93]

Avenger's hype!

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.wkyc.com/money/article/185785/110/Cleveland-The-Avengers-filming-timeline-hiring- = The Avengerssss in Cleveland!!!

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ LOL, the Avengers are so powerful that cleveland needs to get ready.

[BigThor]

http://www.dvdreview.co.uk/files/2011/04/154-cover.jpg

Finally! Some cool stuff with Ruffalo about the Hulk's inside this magazine. I've also noticed some bits about Thor & Cap.

The Big Three!!! :up:

That's an awesome cover , although I'm a bit suprised that Iron Man isn't in the front. I would've rathered a side by side shot, but this will do, their doesn't seem to be enough room for it anyways.

[flickchick85]

Cap is the leader, so he should be up front. I approve (despite them obviously being photoshopped together. Still awaiting a shot of them in costume in the same room).

[Iceman]

The Big Three!!! :up:

That's an wwesome cover , although I'm a bit suprised that Iron Man isn't in the front. I would've rathered a side by side shot, but this will do, their doesn't seem to be enough room for it anyways.Cap's running the show...got to be front & centre!

Looks great but can't wait till we get a proper planned promo shot of all of them together with Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye & Fury! How much longer have we got to wait for that I wonder?

[bored]

When push for the actual "Avengers" movie needs to be emphasized by the studio. In the meantime, they need to make sure people are hyped for the Thor and Cap movies.

[BigThor]

Cap's running the show...got to be front & centre!

Looks great but can't wait till we get a proper planned promo shot of all of them together with Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye & Fury! How much longer have we got to wait for that I wonder?

Cap is the leader, so he should be up front. I approve (despite them obviously being photoshopped together. Still awaiting a shot of them in costume in the same room).

Iron Man was the leader at some point as well, you never know, he just might be the leader during the beginning of the film.

Anyways, I was talking about who's the leader, I was just suprised that Iron Man wasn't in front because of his films impact on the GA (that does matter).

[Doctor Jones]

IM sticks out anyway. Red and yellow instantly attracts the eye, so it's not like people won't see him. And Cap should be in front anyway.

I think in the beginning, Stark will think he's the leader. It's kind of obvious, then Steve has to step in in the third act.

[BigThor]

IM sticks out anyway. Red and yellow instantly attracts the eye, so it's not like people won't see him. And Cap should be in front anyway.

I think in the beginning, Stark will think he's the leader. It's kind of obvious, then Steve has to step in in the third act.

I wasn't trying to say that Cap shouldn't be in front, I was just suprised that they went with his "leadership angle" over the "most popular angle".

I'm actually glad that they put Cap in the front.

[Doctor Jones]

Wasn't saying that. I know you love it too. Just sayin in case the average joe would walk by it, he's notice IM there anyway.

I'm glad they went for the leader as well. But I'm expecting alot of coverage of the film to center on RDJ. That's not a bad thing, I just hope the press gives attention to the others as well.

We'll see how these two films will do. If they hit big, Hems and Evans will be right there with RDJ.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, right now, all I care about is this film doing well and us seeing this monster of a superhero film.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://whosnews.usaweekend.com/files/2011/04/chris2_2-300x224.jpg

Guys, can you spill any details on The Avengers?

Chris Evans: It’s enormous in scale. You have the meeting of all these superheroes, all these huge personalities and huge abilities coming together. It doesn’t gel right away obviously – there has to be conflict, and there’s plenty of conflict. It’s pretty epic.

Chris Hemsworth: I’m extremely excited. I’m such a fan of all those guys and all those characters. Being able to watch them evolve and established already and now throw them all together, it’s a better way of doing it than if we’d brought them in together first and then branched off. Whereas this, you can relate to everyone in the film because we’ve seen them have their individual moments and now you cram them into a small space and a whole lot of egos. It’ll be an interesting dinner party, won’t it?

[terry78]

http://whosnews.usaweekend.com/files/2011/04/chris2_2-300x224.jpg

Guys, can you spill any details on The Avengers?

Chris Evans: It’s enormous in scale. You have the meeting of all these superheroes, all these huge personalities and huge abilities coming together. It doesn’t gel right away obviously – there has to be conflict, and there’s plenty of conflict. It’s pretty epic.

Chris Hemsworth: I’m extremely excited. I’m such a fan of all those guys and all those characters. Being able to watch them evolve and established already and now throw them all together, it’s a better way of doing it than if we’d brought them in together first and then branched off. Whereas this, you can relate to everyone in the film because we’ve seen them have their individual moments and now you cram them into a small space and a whole lot of egos. It’ll be an interesting dinner party, won’t it?


Don't show that pic to I Am Spidey, she might go into an orgasmic fit right there on the floor.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Some Hulk bits from Ruffalo's interview:

Just this morning Mark was in Manhattan (two and a half hours to the southeast) for a last-minute refitting of his costume for The Avengers.

About the role: "It's like being back in the forest as a 7-year-old, living in my imagination and creating this other world," he says. While familiarizing himself with the Avatar-style computer-generated imaging that's being employed for his scenes as the giant, green Hulk, Ruffalo made the counterintuitive connection between motion-capture acting and the theater.

"It's the absolute perfect marriage," he says, "because it relies on your imagination, your ability to project outside of yourself, to be the watcher and the watched. A stage actor has to be able to do that, because you're telling the story with your body as much as your face and voice."

Or with a greened-up, bulked-up, madly pixelated version of your body, anyway. "I walk in front of a monitor, and there I am as the Hulk," Ruffalo says, his amazement still fresh. "I raise my right arm, he raises it, but he raises it as a 250-pound right arm, with all that weight and mass."

So that means, I ask, he hasn't needed to embark on some sort of clichéd crash workout regimen? "No, no, no," he says. "Look, I'm eating guacamole and ****ing potato chips, man, and having drinks with you." The bar is slowly filling, and as someone slides a buck into the jukebox to hear "American Pie," Ruffalo waves at an old man who's just arrived. "You think Tom Cruise does this?

[Dark Raven]

Cool pic. They should've had RDJ posing in there too though. Maybe Cap could've had him in a headlock or something with them horsing around.

[Doctor Jones]

It's more of a promotion of their individual films. Let them have the spotlight before RDJ will next year.

[ArtTeacher]

Exactly, I don't care if Hulk is technically the "strongest there is" but that doesn't mean he has to mop the floor with powerhouse like Thor.

Agreed.

As a matter of fact, Thor is closer to the higher level of Hulk's strength than his base level.

I'm not sure I would agree with this. Even as a kid, when I read Hulk/Thor fights it was clear to me that anyone that had the powers of a god that was facing a being that *only* had strength should beat him…unless that being with only strength was considerably stronger than him.

Think of it like this:

You fight a clone of yourself…except your clone has thousands of years of battle experience, one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, and other mysterious abilities. You will lose. The only way you could even HOPE to stalemate your clone is if you had some advantage over him.

The fact that most Thor/Hulk fights have ended in a stalemate can only mean the Hulk had to have a sizeable strength advantage over Thor just to even the odds.

Look how DC portays Cpt. Marvel and Superman as being fairly even in their animated appearances, is that so hard to do with Hulk and Thor?

It's a little different in that Superman and Captain Marvel's power-sets are very similar while Hulk and Thor's are not. But I agree that it was infuriating to see the Hulk destroy Thor with ease and then, on the same DVD, have so much trouble with Wolverine (a character that has no superhuman strength)!

[Doctor Jones]

Popularity. You think people watching Hulk vs want to see Logan be taken down so easily?

[BigThor]

Agreed.



I'm not sure I would agree with this. Even as a kid, when I read Hulk/Thor fights it was clear to me that anyone that had the powers of a god that was facing a being that *only* had strength should beat him…unless that being with only strength was considerably stronger than him.

Think of it like this:

You fight a clone of yourself…except your clone has thousands of years of battle experience, one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, and other mysterious abilities. You will lose. The only way you could even HOPE to stalemate your clone is if you had some advantage over him.

The fact that most Thor/Hulk fights have ended in a stalemate can only mean the Hulk had to have a sizeable strength advantage over Thor just to even the odds.

Good point, but no, Thor uses more of a brawling style to even the odds when he fights Hulk. Notice how he hardly ever uses his weather powers & advanced fighting techniques.

[Rock Sexton]

Where's someone to tell me again that Evans was as big as Hemsworth. LOL .... Hems is freaking massive!

http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde2.jpg
http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde3.jpg

[Doctor Jones]

Jesus Christ. I think my inner woman just got pregnant.

[Rock Sexton]

jesus christ. I think my inner woman just got pregnant.

lol.

[Sawyer]

Jesus Christ. I think my inner woman just got pregnant.

Oh, you. :awesome:

[Danalys]

Please tell me this isn't the start of the great Hairy chest outrage?

So what if he has a hairy chest....

i think it's just another way he's not the most suitable for the role. just isn't scientist like enough.

[Crimson King]

i think it's just another way he's not the most suitable for the role. just isn't scientist like enough.

^hahahahah

[Son of Coul]

Scientists never have hairy chests. It's science

[Danalys]

if we tested it we'd know but then people would complain we weren't curing cancer or something.

[Spider-Vader]

*taps foot impatiently waiting for Marvel to release an official shot of all the actors together*

[zenbird]

Where's someone to tell me again that Evans was as big as Hemsworth. LOL .... Hems is freaking massive!

http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde2.jpg
http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde3.jpg


Even though I'm a 38 year old married husband and father I really need that bottom picture to put inside my locker so I can kiss it every day before Algebra.

[Pac-Master]

http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2011/04/15/group-hug-filming-at-grand-central-terminal-this-weekend/

Filming at the Grand Central Terminal this week.

[Dr Lee]

it's stuff like this that i actually like Paparazzi lol... hope we get some cool pictures...

[marvel_freshman]

Just posted a little update & a non-revealing image regarding the shoot...don't expect to see stars unfortunately.
http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350 (http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350)

[Spideyfan93]

My dad works in the building directly on the left! And he's been there the whole day!

He even talked to one of the producers a month or two ago, guess they liked what they saw in the area.

[DaddyGrayson]

Jesus Christ. I think my inner woman just got pregnant.

Hahahaha

[bored]

Just posted a little update & a non-revealing image regarding the shoot...don't expect to see stars unfortunately.
http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350 (http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350)

My goodness, they've spoiled that most heinous of villians, Crainiac!

[BigThor]

Hemsworth is ****in HUGE, I was one of the people who thought that he and Evans were pretty close in size.

Mainly because of Cap's first trailer, especially when he was laying in the SS transformation chamber.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Just posted a little update & a non-revealing image regarding the shoot...don't expect to see stars unfortunately.
http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350 (http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=35350) Even though it's not really an image of anybody, it's good to know we've actually got a picture from the set of The Avengers.

[HUMANIMAL]

Where's someone to tell me again that Evans was as big as Hemsworth. LOL .... Hems is freaking massive!

http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde2.jpg
http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/bilde3.jpg
shrink him to his height and he aint so much bigger;-)


yes folks i keep saying it :oldrazz:

[JAK®]

shrink him to his height and he aint so much bigger;-)


yes folks i keep saying it :oldrazz:
That's not fair. It takes a lot more effort to gain weight if you're taller.

[HUMANIMAL]

i think its genetically ...yes its harder but not impossible im not that tall and dont gain muscles as quick as a friend of mine who is taller but has already a bigger bone structure and when he eats he gains weight not like me who stays quite the same


http://www.formatela.com/other/noah-steer.html
check this guy out

i think hemsworth should be able to be even bigger than he already is. sure a shorter person looks bigger in terms of proportions, thats why i said make em equal in height and then compare muscle mass.

[JAK®]

Well it actually isn't harder to gain the weight, you just need to gain more to see the same benefits as a shorter person. Of course you can find taller people who do gain muscle quickly.

[Doctor Jones]

Wait so filming now is the first week in May? I thought it was the 25th this month?

[Chewy]

Wait so filming now is the first week in May? I thought it was the 25th this month?
Different actors will start filming at different times.

[MOVIELORD101]

BREAKING NEWS: Jane Foster CONFIRMED to appear in The Avengers!!!!!

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=35373

[Blackman]

So Jane Foster is back. Nice


Still really hoping for Betty and THunderbolt Ross

[Wolvieboy17]

1) Link isn't working
2) Nothing is confirmed when it comes from CBM. I'll believe it when I see another source.

[Blackman]

Its from an interview with another magazine that says Natalie will be in it

http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/04/16/chris-hemsworth-confirms-natalie-portmans-return-as-jane-foster-in-the-avengers

[Chewy]

The question and answer about Portman are not specific, they could have been referring to the Thor movie

[Blackman]

you guys always crush a brother's dreams

[Chewy]

I would like to see Portman too but she will be a brand new mother. Maybe she'll do a few days later on or during reshoots.

[RealIrOnMaN]

The question and answer about Portman are not specific, they could have been referring to the Thor movie
Exactly! + Portman is pregnant right now, which makes this even more unbelievable.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://collider.com/zak-penn-interview-the-avengers/86369/ = Zak Penn about The Avengers & stuff

[SuperSAINT]

Agree with you guys. It's a really oddly worded piece.

Chris has been pretty guarded when he talks Avengers. Doubt he'd let anything like that slip. Hope we see get a little Portman action in it though. Just when you thought Avengers couldn't get any better, huh? ;)

[Blackman]

oh yeah I forgot she was pregnant. Oh well. Still hoping for the Ross family.

[Whiskey Tango]

I wouldn't think it would amount to more than a quick cameo in any event.

[jadejaws]

Still really hoping for Betty and THunderbolt Ross

As do I....but lets not hold our breath. It feels like they're glossy over a portion of what TIH brought to the table. Obviously not everything because they're showing Hulk in the Thor spots, but it's odd that nothing's been mentioned of Hurt or Tyler. The comparable marketing between Thor/Cap and TIH alone astounds me. Thanks again 2003...appreciate it.

[SuperSAINT]

http://collider.com/zak-penn-interview-the-avengers/86369/ = Zak Penn about The Avengers & stuff

Would LOVE to find out what Joss changed from Penn's original draft.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Would LOVE to find out what Joss changed from Penn's original draft.
I heard it was pretty much like the first part of Ultimates vol.1: Banner goes nuts & the whole team Assembles to stop him. No Skrulls, Loki or something out of this world.

[Chewy]

Would LOVE to find out what Joss changed from Penn's original draft.
Everything.

Joss wrote a new draft from scratch.

(And obviously he might have kept an idea or two, but you know what I mean :cwink:)

[SuperSAINT]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Remember reading someone saying that Joss read the initial draft, and then said "that's good... but that's not what i'd do".

[Iceman]

I wouldn't think it would amount to more than a quick cameo in any event.That's all I really want from the supporting characters in the individual movies. Just a nice touch to link it all together.

[BigThor]

I don't really care if Jane appears in the Avengers, we already have a Thor connection from Selvig so I'm more eager to see some of TIH's cast.

[marvel_freshman]

Exactly, I wanna see more of TIH's characters. Im not sure what it'd be like having Hulk without Betty Ross.

[R_Hythlodeus]

I don't really care if Jane appears in the Avengers, we already have a Thor connection from Selvig so I'm more eager to see some of TIH's cast.
Very true. I hope Gen. Ross will be back in any form.

[SuperSAINT]

Some great stuff here from Feige on Joss Whedon...

http://www.**************.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=35383

[Son of Coul]

I don't like Zak Penn, and not exactly because his name is attached to some bad movies. I understand how this stuff works sometimes. Something about him just kinda pisses me off. Like Ed Norton goes to Comic-Con and says "I wrote the screenplay," making no mention of Penn, which is a dickish and dare I say it, unclassy (GASP!) thing to do. So Penn is a little hurt, understandable-- but then he goes and pleads to the WGA to wipe Norton's pseudonym off the credits. Come on.

Then all the interviews he does come off as him trying to pass blame for any stumbles he's made in the past scripts, like he couldn't possibly do wrong. I know the studios ****ed with your scripts man, but Jebus, take a little responsibility. Like he goes, "I wanted the Fantastic Four to pop up in X-Men 3, but Fox wouldn't let me because of their policy!" It's a stupid policy, but FF popping up in X3 is just as stupid and terribly unnecessary.

As far as not being able to say what Joss changed, yes he can! Joss went ahead and said MONTHS ago that he looked at the first draft Marvel gave him and threw it out, starting from scratch.

I never really rant, but something about that guy just bugs me.

[Spideyfan93]

My father was talking with the crew when they were doing back shots the other day. He said one of the crew members said they would be back some time to shoot a scene in HIS BUILDING with ACTORS!

Anyone have a clue when this could occur? And possibly who could be involved? Wonder what kind of scene this will be!

[marvel_freshman]

That's really awesome! What kind of building does your dad work in?

[Spideyfan93]

http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10616/276746421.jpg

The gray building closest to Grand Central Terminal. My dad said if he finds out the day they are shooting, he'll bring me in to possibly meet the cast members present!
:awesome:!

[marvel_freshman]

COOl! How awesome would it be if they were including the Stark Tower. Being that Stark's home is basically destroyed by the end of Iron Man 2, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced the tower. And then Tony could create the halls of armor we're used to seeing. What is the building inside used for exacty?

[Iceman]

http://media.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10616/276746421.jpg

The gray building closest to Grand Central Terminal. My dad said if he finds out the day they are shooting, he'll bring me in to possibly meet the cast members present!
:awesome:!Now that has all kinds of potential! Nice one!

[Doctor Jones]

It sounds great, but Spideyfan, most likely these actors won't be like RDJ, Evans, etc. Although Jackson, Gregg and Smulders are more possible. Because I don't think he know their filming schedules. The main cast doesn't start until early May I believe.

[The Morningstar]

As do I....but lets not hold our breath. It feels like they're glossy over a portion of what TIH brought to the table. Obviously not everything because they're showing Hulk in the Thor spots, but it's odd that nothing's been mentioned of Hurt or Tyler. The comparable marketing between Thor/Cap and TIH alone astounds me. Thanks again 2003...appreciate it.

Hmm i don't quite follow. Are you blaming Ang Lee's Hulk or something? TIH didn't set the world alight because it just wasn't that good. Period. And Sam Elliot's Ross was better than William Hurt's anyway.

[RealIrOnMaN]

CBR: "Comic fans will absolutely want to stay to the end of the credits of Thor for what has to be the best teaser from Marvel Studios."

[Brian Braddock]

Are you blaming Ang Lee's Hulk or something?

There are many that blame Ang's film for the relative underperformance of TIH as it created a stigma with the GA. A lot of people didnt know how to take TIH because of the memory of the 2003 film.

It can also be levelled that TIH was marketed properly too late in the game as well.


TIH didn't set the world alight because it just wasn't that good. Period.


That's certainly debateable as there are a lot of people that think the movie was good.

Period.

And Sam Elliot's Ross was better than William Hurt's anyway.

Now there is at least one thing that we can agree on. :up: Elliot was a top notch Ross. Hurt was ok, but didnt nearly have as much presence and mumbled a fair few of those lines of his.

The scene with Roth explaining the super-soldier experiements was good though- ''Either it went very wrong -- or it went very right........''. Love the way he delivered that.

[The Morningstar]

I'm not saying TIH wasn't good. It was. But it wasn't brilliant and blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on it's underperformance is a cop out, as far as i'm concerned.

[Brian Braddock]

I'm not saying TIH wasn't good.

Ummm.......

TIH didn't set the world alight because it just wasn't that good. Period.

[The Morningstar]

I said it wasn't THAT good. Not that it wasn't good. :D

Tim Roth was the standout. Norton seemed to be sleepwalking through the film IMO.

[Whiskey Tango]

Man, I thought Hurt had it all over Sam Elliot. Elliot was too likeable, Hurt reminded me of the real bastard Ross that I friggin hated as a kid.

Anyway, I loved TIH. It was awesome. Exclamation point. Exclamation point. Exclamation point.

[Dr Lee]

i must admit i kinda preferred Elliot's Roos over Hurt's Ross...

Elliot seemed like someone who was military... Hurt was just a ****er

[Iceman]

I'm not saying TIH wasn't good. It was. But it wasn't brilliant and blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on it's underperformance is a cop out, as far as i'm concerned.I also think Hulk was good & not brilliant (Tim Blake Nelson) but prior film performances have at least some small effect on the next film's performance. Batman Begins I think would have made more if the previous Batman series hadn't ended so disastrously & TDK I think would have made less if it had come straight after B&R rather than the generally respected Begins. Crystal Skull, the Star Wars prequels & Spidey 3 would probably have made less if their prior films were not as good.

[The Morningstar]

Man, I thought Hurt had it all over Sam Elliot. Elliot was too likeable, Hurt reminded me of the real bastard Ross that I friggin hated as a kid.

Anyway, I loved TIH. It was awesome. Exclamation point. Exclamation point. Exclamation point.

Yea Ross was a bastard in the comics. But he cared about his daughter first and foremost. I got that more from Elliot's Ross. Hurt's Ross didn't seem to give a crap about Betty, until the helecopter nearly crashed into her, which was partly his fault anyway.

[The Morningstar]

I also think Hulk was good & not brilliant (Tim Blake Nelson) but prior film performances have at least some small effect on the next film's performance. Batman Begins I think would have made more if the previous Batman series hadn't ended so disastrously & TDK I think would have made less if it had come straight after B&R rather than the generally respected Begins. Crystal Skull, the Star Wars prequels & Spidey 3 would probably have made less if their prior films were not as good.

It's not as though Ang Lee's Hulk was like a Batman and Robin. It wasn't universally panned by critics and it did pretty well at the box office. On Rotten Tomatoes it's at 61% with a rating of 6.2 and The Incredible Hulk is only at 65% with a rating of 6.1. A nothing difference really.

Therefore, blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on The Incredible Hulks mediocre success is a cop out.

[Whiskey Tango]

Yea Ross was a bastard in the comics. But he cared about his daughter first and foremost. I got that more from Elliot's Ross. Hurt's Ross didn't seem to give a crap about Betty, until the helecopter nearly crashed into her, which was partly his fault anyway.

I find him more interesting when he's obsessed to the point of irresponsibility. Anyway, different strokes, etc.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's not as though Ang Lee's Hulk was like a Batman and Robin. It wasn't universally panned by critics and it did pretty well at the box office. On Rotten Tomatoes it's at 61% with a rating of 6.2 and The Incredible Hulk is only at 65% with a rating of 6.1. A nothing difference really.

Therefore, blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on The Incredible Hulks mediocre success is a cop out.

eh, actually that's extremely debatable. Money wise they made about the same, but Ang's Hulk was critically panned much worse... not just by critics, but the general public as well. Ang's hulk movie died off in theaters pretty quickly (money wise as well), and the only reason it made so much was 1 simple fact... it was Hulks first movie. the money the Inc Hulk made was about equal but I guarantee you if that was the first Hulk movie, it would have made more... because there's several people who obviously didnt go see TIH because of Ang's. Infact i know several people who didnt see it in theaters for that very reason.

[The Morningstar]

eh, actually that's extremely debatable. Money wise they made about the same, but Ang's Hulk was critically panned much worse... not just by critics, but the general public as well. Ang's hulk movie died off in theaters pretty quickly (money wise as well), and the only reason it made so much was 1 simple fact... it was Hulks first movie. the money the Inc Hulk made was about equal but I guarantee you if that was the first Hulk movie, it would have made more... because there's several people who obviously didnt go see TIH because of Ang's. Infact i know several people who didnt see it in theaters for that very reason.

So you know a few people who say so... that means you can speak for general public?

Most people i know prefered the more thought provoking Ang Lee film rather than the shallow, video game esque Letterier version. But i'm not going to say the general public think like that based on my personal experiences.

And Ang Lee's Hulk has a better average rating by critics. 6.1 to 6.2. A whole 0.1 difference!

[spideyboy_1111]

So you know a few people who say so... that means you can speak for general public?

Most people i know prefered the more thought provoking Ang Lee film rather than the shallow, video game esque Letterier version. But i'm not going to say the general public think like that based on my personal experiences.

im just saying. i know alot of people, read alot of magazines and message boards. And have been heavily following superhero movies since this very site was nothing more than Spider-Man Hype. ... So yes. I will say my person experiences count. Very few people i run into on here, in life, etc.. did not care for Angs film, Absorbing dad, hulk dogs, pudgy lime green hulk, staring at mold hulk, etc... There was a massive uproar especially after the films initial release.

[Son of Coul]

I feel a more apt correlation would be the user ratings on the site/Flixster, gives a better idea of what the GA felt rather than critics' opinions. And in their ratings, there's definitely a bigger gap in score. Not that I think that's the greatest way to find out either.

[Aztec]

Ang Lee's Hulk was a clusterf*** snoozefest. There is no denying it hurt TIH's performance in the theaters. The other main factor of TIH's less than stellar performance was that Marvel/Universal barely even promoted it. It was one of the weakest marketing campaigns I've seen for a summer blockbuster.

[The Morningstar]

im just saying. i know alot of people, read alot of magazines and message boards. And have been heavily following superhero movies since this very site was nothing more than Spider-Man Hype. ... So yes. I will say my person experiences count. Very few people i run into on here, in life, etc.. did not care for Angs film, Absorbing dad, hulk dogs, pudgy lime green hulk, staring at mold hulk, etc... There was a massive uproar especially after the films initial release.

Hmmm... the staring at the mold moment gave more of an insight into the Hulk character than the entirety of TIH. I mean, unless HULK SMASH! is a great character moment.

Fact is, Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't universally panned. It wasn't a Batman and Robin esque disaster. If it was, i'd agree that it damaged TIH's success. But it wasn't... so it didn't.

TIH wasn't a major success because, it was mediocre. It also didn't have a great marketing campaign, that's very true. And maybe, just maybe, the general public doesn't give a **** about the Hulk character?

[Son of Coul]

The cave scene gives some pretty decent insight

[The Morningstar]

Fair point. I think both films are mediocre. But i just cannot subscribe to the mentality that Ang's Hulk damaged Letterier's. You can say a poor marketing campaign contributed to it, i'll agree with that.

And this whole thing of "Well fans on forums prefer TIH". So what? They probably prefered TIH because he shouted HULK SMASH! and LEAVE ME ALONE. Or because he used cars as boxing gloves.

[R_Hythlodeus]

TIH was a pretty good film but I still prefer the much brainier Ang Lee Hulk. Sure, the 3rd act was terrible and Absorbing Dad was.... you know..... but storywise Hulk hat a lot more meat than TIH.
(and Jennifer Connelly is Jennifer Connelly and an awesome Betty Ross and not Steven Tylers retarted daughter)

[Kirmit]

Ang Lee's Hulk was a clusterf*** snoozefest. There is no denying it hurt TIH's performance in the theaters. The other main factor of TIH's less than stellar performance was that Marvel/Universal barely even promoted it. It was one of the weakest marketing campaigns I've seen for a summer blockbuster.

I agree with all this except for the part about Ang Lee's Hulk, I hated it upon first viewing but grew to love it after several times, too bad the general audience likely only watched it once and had the same feeling as me.

[Rock Sexton]

Now there is at least one thing that we can agree on. :up: Elliot was a top notch Ross. Hurt was ok, but didnt nearly have as much presence and mumbled a fair few of those lines of his.

The scene with Roth explaining the super-soldier experiements was good though- ''Either it went very wrong -- or it went very right........''. Love the way he delivered that.

Hurt wipes the floor with Elliot (that guy put me to sleep ..... much like that movie).

[wobbly]

Hmmm... the staring at the mold moment gave more of an insight into the Hulk character than the entirety of TIH. I mean, unless HULK SMASH! is a great character moment.

Actually, for the Hulk it is :cwink:

Fact is, Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't universally panned. It wasn't a Batman and Robin esque disaster. If it was, i'd agree that it damaged TIH's success. But it wasn't... so it didn't.

TIH wasn't a major success because, it was mediocre. It also didn't have a great marketing campaign, that's very true. And maybe, just maybe, the general public doesn't give a **** about the Hulk character?

Given the films revenue there may be an argument for that.
What I would say counts against that though is that both films opened well. Ang's Hulk had a record opening weekend for a June release iirc. That they didn't go on to have 'legs' is as much down to the quality of the films as any marketing (TIH had poor marketing but that on it's own does not excuse its final takings). Going by the opening weekends I think the interest is there, but the films have got to deliver in the end.

However, both films had flaws, and personally I think the biggest mistake they both made is the same error the studios have been making since the 70's when it comes to making a live action Hulk.

They forget the big guy is his own character, and a talking one at that, and have gone every time for making him a virtually mute grunting plot device. They make the story far more about Banner, and reduce the Hulk more to an altered state of mind for Banner, and pretty much forget about establishing the Hulk as his own entity.

Hopefully Whedon will have recognised where each live action outing has persistently failed in this regard and correct it for Avengers. If he does and the public like a live action Hulk as he should be done, then maybe they will forget about rehashing that bloody TV show (which we all know is gonna be more of the same) and give the big guy another try.

[Whiskey Tango]

Fair point. I think both films are mediocre. But i just cannot subscribe to the mentality that Ang's Hulk damaged Letterier's. You can say a poor marketing campaign contributed to it, i'll agree with that.

And this whole thing of "Well fans on forums prefer TIH". So what? They probably prefered TIH because he shouted HULK SMASH! and LEAVE ME ALONE. Or because he used cars as boxing gloves.

And yet you yourself are a fan on a forum praising Ang Lee's version.

So what? You probably preferred it because you love gamma poodles and a really hammy Nick Nolte.

See? Cuts both ways.

[Pac-Master]

Ang Lee's Hulk was a clusterf*** snoozefest. There is no denying it hurt TIH's performance in the theaters. The other main factor of TIH's less than stellar performance was that Marvel/Universal barely even promoted it. It was one of the weakest marketing campaigns I've seen for a summer blockbuster.
I agree, the marketing was TERRIBLE on TIH. I think they were trying to be cautious because of the bad reception to the first movie's CGI when footage came out.

[Iceman]

It's not as though Ang Lee's Hulk was like a Batman and Robin. It wasn't universally panned by critics and it did pretty well at the box office. On Rotten Tomatoes it's at 61% with a rating of 6.2 and The Incredible Hulk is only at 65% with a rating of 6.1. A nothing difference really.

Therefore, blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on The Incredible Hulks mediocre success is a cop out.B&R could kill any franchise lol, different league!

I don't hate Ang Lee's Hulk but many 1st films with middling ratings don't even get sequels & franchises unless they smash up the box office or are profitable via low cost. So TIH's potential was always limited (not helped by poor marketing effort). Also remember that I already mentioned that I only think TIH was good not great, like you.

It also might have been a similar story the other way around if AngHulk had followed TIH. You need a blockbuster 1st film or to do something very differently or much bigger in the sequel to stop a middling 1st film from dragging down the ultimate potential of its sequels. X-Men I thought was a good film but had the 1st X-Men film been made now (without the budget cuts) when comic book films are thriving rather than back when studios were ultra cautious, I think X-Men would now be one of the leading franchises.

[samsnee]

They should have done Iron Man first. Then maybe Thor or Cap America and save TIH for last before doing Avengers. That way, people would have had a clearer idea that TIH was part of the same universe, and not just another remake.

[Kirmit]

I, like any hulk fan am hoping 'The Avengers' will revive peoples interest in the hulk, give him some really cool stuff to do, show a bit more to him than just 'Hulk Smash' but not overly like Ang's Hulk and it will result in further hulk movies.

[jadejaws]

eh, actually that's extremely debatable. Money wise they made about the same, but Ang's Hulk was critically panned much worse... not just by critics, but the general public as well. Ang's hulk movie died off in theaters pretty quickly (money wise as well), and the only reason it made so much was 1 simple fact... it was Hulks first movie. the money the Inc Hulk made was about equal but I guarantee you if that was the first Hulk movie, it would have made more... because there's several people who obviously didnt go see TIH because of Ang's. Infact i know several people who didnt see it in theaters for that very reason.

this

[Brian Braddock]

this x2.

Hulk '03 did have an effect on TIH as it gave some parts of the G.A. a certain preconception.

[Spideyfan93]

Damn you Ang Lee! DAMN YOU TO HELL!

I remember seeing Hulk in theaters with my parents and we all walked out saying the same thing...what a boring waste of over 2 hours. As a kid, I was hyped for the original Hulk but I came out thinking it was horrible, rightfully so.

The way Ang directed Hulk was absolutely wrong. And the threats being freaking DOGS and Bruce's father becoming...an entity of lightning?! The only good part of the movie I still remember was the army fight.


The Marvel Studios film did it right and it's unfortunate that Ang Lee's Oscar vision took away from it's success.

[The Morningstar]

And yet you yourself are a fan on a forum praising Ang Lee's version.

So what? You probably preferred it because you love gamma poodles and a really hammy Nick Nolte.

See? Cuts both ways.

Gamma Poodles are awesome, come on now. And a dishevelled, crack head looking Nick Nolte? :up:

But seriously, I prefered Ang's because it had more heart and Hulk seemed like an actual character of his own. It showed the duality of Banner vs Hulk better IMO. And the fight against the army in the desert was better than anything in TIH too i thought. Also, Elliot's Ross was better than Hurt's Ross.

I still think it was mediocre though, but slightly better than The Incredible Hulk.

[marcvader]

It had an effect, maybe not to the extent that some people claim but an effect none the less. The marketing was the main culprit for the under performance.

[Moridin]

I had a bit of an Avengers dream last night, not sure where to post it but I thought I'd share with ye.

So myself, Thor & Cap are standing, in street clothes, on some kind of bridge, beside or in a trainyard, with traintracks running underneath us, in Dresden (:huh:) waiting for a train to Dusseldorf (again, :huh:. I guess there were things to be done there) to pass which we were to sneak onto.

The whole vibe of this "scene" was like an Avengers/Bourne crossover. Bluefiltered, dreary weather. Very cool.

I'm fuzzy about actually getting on the train but there were parts where it was me, Thor & Cap and then other parts where I was Thor (:awesome:, except Mjolnir kept falling apart because it was made of foam :cmad:).

Anyway, next thing we're in a corridor on the train and loads of people are moving around panicking, no sign of Steve, Thor is in full armour and runs off ahead of me down the corridor chasing someone when some guy pops up next to me out of the crowd with a weird looking gun & shoots Thor in the back. I try wrestling the gun away while shouting "CAP! CAP! THOR'S DOWN!". I look back to the door of the carriage and Steve walks in in full gear (minus helmet/mask) looking all heroic....

..and then my freakin alarm goes off and wakes me up. Typical. S#!& was just gettin real and "NEH! NEH! NEH! NEH!".

Anyone else having Avenger related dreams?

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As for Hulk 03 v TIH.
I found 03 to unbearably boring, whereas I enjoy TIH more every time I watch it.

[Spideyfan93]

Well the other night I decided to put on Iron Man 2 because I had trouble sleeping. Fell asleep right away(happens when I watch movies). I woke up at the exact moment the Mjolnir is revealed after the credits.

I woke up, my eyes resting on the screen showing the hammer and the screen goes black. I was laying in my bed shocked saying to myself..."wtf just happened."

I took it as a signal of good things to come. Seeing as I never wake up in the middle of the night....really, I never wake up abruptly. But this night, it had to happen so I could see Thor's weapon when the movie comes out very soon.

That's a calling!

[terry78]

Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't bad, as he was faithful as far as delving into the decades past storylines focusing on the freudian reasons why the Hulk comes to be the way he is, but it was a little TOO much.

[Dark Raven]

I wish we could retcon both movies and combine them into a single movie. Sam Elliott would replace William Hurt as General Ross, and we could get the whole of the desert fight against the military in Hulk as part of The Incredible Hulk movie.

[Parker Wayne]

It's not as though Ang Lee's Hulk was like a Batman and Robin. It wasn't universally panned by critics and it did pretty well at the box office. On Rotten Tomatoes it's at 61% with a rating of 6.2 and The Incredible Hulk is only at 65% with a rating of 6.1. A nothing difference really.

Therefore, blaming Ang Lee's Hulk on The Incredible Hulks mediocre success is a cop out.

You don't use Rotten Tomatoes critic scores to measure the success of a movie. That's from critics only. Let see what the actual audiences thought of the two movies.

Hulk:

Rotten Tomatoes: 34% of audiences liked it
IMDB rating: 5.7

The Incredible Hulk

Rotten Tomatoes: 75% of audiences liked it
IMDB rating: 7.1


There's a big difference. Audiences reacted a hell of a lot more positively toward TIH than Ang Lee's Hulk

[Pac-Master]

I, like any hulk fan am hoping 'The Avengers' will revive peoples interest in the hulk, give him some really cool stuff to do, show a bit more to him than just 'Hulk Smash' but not overly like Ang's Hulk and it will result in further hulk movies.
I agree.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I third that.

[Spideyfan93]

Can't believe interest in Hulk is on the decline right now....IT'S THE DAMN HULK!

[Dark Raven]

I still wish Ant-Man and Wasp were in it, or at least Wasp in the form of Autumn Reeser. She seems like a typical Joss Whedon lady as well. Her ability to deliver witty dialogue and play the whole hot geek angle seems almost as if she were born to be in a Joss Whedon movie (even though I hope he's going to tone his Whedon-speak down from series like Buffy etc). We need someone to carry the audiences' enthusiasm and sense of wonder. Autumn does this regularly in No Ordinary Family when she gushes how cool it is for all the family to have super powers etc.

[elgaz]

sorry, wrong thread! Delete please mods

[RealIrOnMaN]

Joss Whedon on The Avengers:

http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/The-Avengers-Cast-with-director-Joss-Whedon.jpg

Question: Since there’s not much you can discuss about “Avengers” right now, what can you tell me about the status of your long-awaited horror film “The Cabin in the Woods”?

Joss: "I know that MGM is talking to people about it. Because MGM is, Everything must go – they’ve lost their lease. And I believe that there is some interest from other companies in acquiring it and distributing it. More than that, I cannot say, but I have hope that “Avengers” may not be the only thing I get to put out next year."

Question: "Can you say when you start production on “Avengers”?"

Joss: "We’re just a hardscrabble bunch. Guerilla filmmaking. I start production a week from Monday. I’m going to get started on the script now. Apparently that’s a thing. I don’t get it. Improv stunts are always way more exciting-looking."

[ArtTeacher]

And this whole thing of "Well fans on forums prefer TIH". So what? They probably prefered TIH because he shouted HULK SMASH! and LEAVE ME ALONE. Or because he used cars as boxing gloves.

Oh...you mean they liked it because he acted like the Hulk?

Weird.

Can't believe interest in Hulk is on the decline right now....IT'S THE DAMN HULK!

Interest in the Hulk is on the decline? Did I miss a study or something?

They should have done Iron Man first. Then maybe Thor or Cap America and save TIH for last before doing Avengers. That way, people would have had a clearer idea that TIH was part of the same universe, and not just another remake.

If TIH had been the last film, it could have had The Coolest After-Credits Scene Ever:
You see the Hulk, standing by a pond, glad he's finally been left alone. And then you see a magical Uru hammer knock him 100 feet into a mountain. Now, an absolutely angry Hulk blasts out of the wreckage and gets hit with a repulsor blast, and a red, white, & blue shield. The camera pans behind the Hulk and over his shoulders we see The Big Three standing there.
*screen goes black*
*thousands of pairs of underwear simultaneously need changing*

[OB12]

Truthfully, I think both Ang's Hulk and TIH had good and bad points, but TIH wins out for me simply because it felt more like a superhero movie. It would've been nice if they had kept certain aspects from Ang's Hulk but I really think TIH is the superior film.

TIH would've benefitted from a little more of the pshycological aspects from Hulk and maybe the addition of his ability jump 3 miles and his speed. However, TIH nailed everything else from his design to the antagonist.

[Iceman]

Love that photo of them all!

[jadejaws]

Oh...you mean they liked it because he acted like the Hulk?

Weird.



Interest in the Hulk is on the decline? Did I miss a study or something?



If TIH had been the last film, it could have had The Coolest After-Credits Scene Ever:
You see the Hulk, standing by a pond, glad he's finally been left alone. And then you see a magical Uru hammer knock him 100 feet into a mountain. Now, an absolutely angry Hulk blasts out of the wreckage and gets hit with a repulsor blast, and a red, white, & blue shield. The camera pans behind the Hulk and over his shoulders we see The Big Three standing there.
*screen goes black*
*thousands of pairs of underwear simultaneously need changing*

LOL...that would be the best scene ever.

[Wolvieboy17]

Whilst it'd be a cool scene, it wouldn't work because it would assume the Avengers would already be together, when you'd still have to actually establish that properly in the Avengers film. You can't include the after credit scenes as part of the main narrative because you can't assume every member of the GA will watch them.

Still, would be cool to see. Hopefully in the actual film, eh?

[Brian Braddock]

My ideal ending/lead into the Avengers would be that you see the Hulk, standing by a pond, glad he's finally been left alone [as ArtTeacher says]. Hulk looks down into the pond only to see Loki's reflection staring back at him.

Then the screen goes black, accompanied with the echo of Loki's sinister laughter - he's got what he wanted [control of the Hulk] and he's going to wreak havok for his brother.

[wobbly]

Any guesses on what Cap's post credit scene will be? As his is the last before Avengers I'd figure they will have something, though they may pass as his story leads into Avengers anyways...

If they do have one I'd guess it'll be more with the cube and Selvig/Loki. Would be neat if they could get a little something with the new Banner/Ruffalo as well. Selvig says in Thor he knows Banner so that could be on .

[ArtTeacher]

Whilst it'd be a cool scene, it wouldn't work because it would assume the Avengers would already be together, when you'd still have to actually establish that properly in the Avengers film. You can't include the after credit scenes as part of the main narrative because you can't assume every member of the GA will watch them.

You are the alarm clock that has ruined all of my Sweedish Bikini Team dreams.

;)

[Endeavor]

Popularity. You think people watching Hulk vs want to see Logan be taken down so easily?

I would. I'd pay good money to see the smelly runt get beaten to a pulp.

[Doctor Jones]

Truthfully, I think both Ang's Hulk and TIH had good and bad points, but TIH wins out for me simply because it felt more like a superhero movie. It would've been nice if they had kept certain aspects from Ang's Hulk but I really think TIH is the superior film.

TIH would've benefitted from a little more of the pshycological aspects from Hulk and maybe the addition of his ability jump 3 miles and his speed. However, TIH nailed everything else from his design to the antagonist.

Yeah, if you were to combine TIH and Lee's Hulk together, it would have been an amazing film. Take the psychological aspects and put it into TIH, get Connelly and Elliot to play their parts with Norton as Banner, make Blonsky the villain, make a plot to acomodate all of this and there you go.

[Sawyer]

And keep the TIH Hulk design.

[JAK®]

With the CGI quality of HULK.

[marcvader]

Exactly

[terry78]

They haven't mentioned any FX houses for this one yet, I take it. I know ILM was on Iron Man, don't know whose doing Thor and Cap.

[marcvader]

Any guesses on what Cap's post credit scene will be? As his is the last before Avengers I'd figure they will have something, though they may pass as his story leads into Avengers anyways...

If they do have one I'd guess it'll be more with the cube and Selvig/Loki. Would be neat if they could get a little something with the new Banner/Ruffalo as well. Selvig says in Thor he knows Banner so that could be on .

A cool after credits scene after Cap would be a conversation between Fury and Hill, Coulson, BW, and Hawkeye. Fury ordering them, "It's time, let's round em up and get after the Hulk.", and you pan out to see they are on the bridge of a helicarrier.

[Spider-ManHero12]

And keep the TIH Hulk design. This. :up:

[BigThor]

And keep the TIH Hulk design.

I wish they would've kept it for the Avengers (sigh) :dry:.

[Iron_Stark]

The Cap post credit scene should be Loki or whoever holding the Cosmic Cube or Infinity Gauntlet opening a portal or whatever with some spaceships about to invade Earth.

Now that would be a great way to introduce the Avengers villains. And it would be more epic that them going after the Hulk.

[wobbly]

Hopefully they won't go too far away from TIH's design. Since that film is in 'continuity' it would be a bit daft to have too drastic a change.

Personally would like something close to it, but with a little less striation/sinews on the muscles (his hide is meant to be damned thick so having all that show through kinda makes the skin look wafer thin). The face, hair & proportions were all spot-on for me. Oh, and I can't say I think the glowing green eyes worked that well (great for the transformations, but no real need for them once Hulked out). Dulling them down a bit would work better (imo).

[PyroChamber]

I found this on wikipedia, is this real?

Baron Zemo has confirmed to appear in Captain America: The First Avenger, although his role is unknown.

Baron Helmut Zemo will appear in The Avengers live action film with Robin Atkin Downes voicing him.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't think so.

[samsnee]

They should keep the Hulk design at least somewhat. Otherwise, TIH doesn't even matter since I doubt we'll get follow-up on the Stark/Ross scene.

[herolee10]

The Cap post credit scene should be Loki or whoever holding the Cosmic Cube or Infinity Gauntlet opening a portal or whatever with some spaceships about to invade Earth.

Now that would be a great way to introduce the Avengers villains. And it would be more epic that them going after the Hulk.

Agreed on all accounts. Given that Mark was quoted to have said that the "Hulk" won't be portrayed as a villain, that makes me somewhat hopeful that he'll be more Avenger than Menace in this film.

I honestly think that if Hulk is actually given a chance to shown as a hero instead of the menace that he's been viewed as from previous films, that it may garner more interest in the character from the GA as well.

And as for the continuity with TIH and the Avengers, well I'm hoping that since IM2 had the shots of the campus battle along with the recently SHIELD website that was being used as promotional material for Thor, having shown clips of the Abomination's attack in New York, that they're still counting the events of TIH as canon.

I don't mind at all that Loki is A villain of the Avengers. I just want something MUCH MORE and original than him being the only threat, let alone him using the Hulk to take on the Avengers since the last thing that we need to see is a live action version of Hulk vs...etc.

[ArtTeacher]

I think now would be a great time to post this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

[BigThor]

I think now would be a great time to post this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

DAMN, this just reminded me how absolutely AWESOME Hulk's TIH design was, I can't believe they're not using it for the Avengers.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I wish they would keep the same Hulk. Since they had to recast Banner, wouldn't it make the transition smoother to have a big, familiar green face?

[TikkiEXX]

its a good design but i have no issues with them tweaking or changing it. tho im assuming itll be more of a tweak than a full change. im assuming theyll make him look a bit like Ruffalo, and probably improve detail and animation. i dont think this will be a bad thing basically.

[BigThor]

Yeah, I wish they would keep the same Hulk. Since they had to recast Banner, wouldn't it make the transition smoother to have a big, familiar green face?

Exactly, I hope Hulk's design is more of a tweak of TIH'S design to fit Ruffalo rather than a full on redesign.

[Wolvieboy17]

I think the TIH Hulk design already looked like Ruffalo.

[Galactus123]

No need to redesing
http://blogs.evtrib.com/nerdvana/files/2010/07/hulk1.jpg

[elgaz]

When TIH came out, I remember the vociferous arguments on here about whether that one or Ang Lee's looked better. It still happens from time to time.

Now that a lot of time has passed though, I think TIH design stands up much better and is more 'realistic' than the floaty, expanding skin and flesh of the Ang Lee version. Norton's version looks tighter and more muscled, more sinewy like a bodybuilder, which is what the Hulk should look like. And to me it's definitely a version they should stick with for the Avengers.

[JAK®]

When TIH came out, I remember the vociferous arguments on here about whether that one or Ang Lee's looked better. It still happens from time to time.

Now that a lot of time has passed though, I think TIH design stands up much better and is more 'realistic' than the floaty, expanding skin and flesh of the Ang Lee version. Norton's version looks tighter and more muscled, more sinewy like a bodybuilder, which is what the Hulk should look like. And to me it's definitely a version they should stick with for the Avengers.
Ang Lee's Hulk actually had a more realistic body than TIH's Hulk. As you said, that Hulk looked like a bodybuilder, sinewy and tight. Which is a not a natural look. A body like that is nearly impossible to maintain. Bodybuilders do it because they spend all day in the gym and keep to a very strict diet. They also have chemical assistance.

Ang Lee's Hulk was big, with a natural amount of body fat. He looked like he was big because that's just the way he is, not because he trained 24/7. Which is more realistic when you think about it.

[elgaz]

It's realistic in terms of look, that's what I meant. TIH version looked more like a real interpretation of the extremely muscley Hulk we've seen in comics.

Even if it was a true life scenario, we'd have to accept that Banner is powered by Gamma radiation and grows to the Hulk in a matter of seconds, so 'maintaining' his look is not something he has to worry about - unlike a bodybuilder :D

[marcvader]

Keep the design but tone down the mottled skin tone and improve upon the 3D effects. I felt Ang's looked like it fit in its environment more to me.

[ArtTeacher]

its a good design but i have no issues with them tweaking or changing it...im assuming theyll make him look a bit like Ruffalo...i dont think this will be a bad thing basically.

This is what I've never understood...the audience can accept that a man can turn into a monster...that his pants stay intact...but they *need* to see a resemblance to Banner or else they reject the whole thing?! Heck no! Throughout his almost 50 years in comics, the Hulk artists haven't tried to make the Hulk look like Banner--they've tried to make the Hulk look like the Hulk!
Keep the wonderful Hulk design from TIH so that the general audience grasps that all this happens in the same universe. The continuity should strengthen the experience, not detract from it.

Yeah, I wish they would keep the same Hulk. Since they had to recast Banner, wouldn't it make the transition smoother to have a big, familiar green face?

Thank you! The day it was announced that Norton would not be returning is the day I changed my signature on here...and it's stayed the same ever since.

DAMN, this just reminded me how absolutely AWESOME Hulk's TIH design was, I can't believe they're not using it for the Avengers.

Agreed, of course. But do we know for certain that they're not using it? Did I miss an article or interview? :huh:

[JAK®]

Agreed, of course. But do we know for certain that they're not using it? Did I miss an article or interview? :huh:
There have been several hints. There was a sneak peek for journalists a couple of weeks ago that showed tests for a new Hulk head model that looked like Ruffalo, and Ruffalo has said a few times that they are incorporating his likeness into the Hulk.

[ArtTeacher]

There was a sneak peek for journalists a couple of weeks ago that showed tests for a new Hulk head model that looked like Ruffalo

Have any sneaks leaked out anywhere?

[OB12]

I don't mind an adjustment of the Hulk model to resemble Ruffalo facially, but the rest of the model was great in my opinion. I would also think that it would cost extra money to completely throw out the TIH model and start from scratch. Wouldn't it be a better use of resources to use the existing model and try to incorporate it into the movie more seamlessly? I have to admit that there were times where Hulk was obviously CGI, though there were others where he looked great and very real.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, facial tweaks I can deal with, but I loved the Hulks build and movement (with perhaps more weighted physics) Ruffalo has a hulkish faced if ever I saw one. Squashed and kind of angry and depressed at the same time. That's Hulk for you, a sympathetic monster.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm not surprised he won't be the same looking. Although I'm not expecting a radical change in appearance. We have to remember, this is a different director who may have different ideas as to how the Hulk in his own film should look.

If I were given Hulk from another film and put it into mine, I would want to do things with it that I would want. Leterrier and Whedon have different ideas as to how they see Hulk. Now again, I don't expect Whedon to make huge differences, but I can see him tweaking some things to his own liking.

[Wolvieboy17]

That's fair enough, except they're trying to tie these things together so he can't depart too much from what's already been established.

[The Morningstar]

THe thing is, whilst this maybe Whedon's film, it's not your average stand alone movie. Like the comics themselves, there has to be some sense of continuity.

For instance, if Thor in the Avengers looked nothing like the Thor in his own movie, that wouldn't be right.

Same goes for Hulk. Although yea, some minor changes are ok. But they can't be completely overhauling the character.

[OB12]

Agreed. I think Whedon may make some changes, possibly to all of the characters, but they will be minor. I am anxiously anticipating what they will do with Hulk, probably more than any other character in this, just because he is kinda overlooked from the GA perspective so they may feel they have room to play with that character a bit more. IM, Cap, and Thor will be firmly established and fresh in the minds of the audience.

[ArtTeacher]

THe thing is, whilst this maybe Whedon's film, it's not your average stand alone movie. Like the comics themselves, there has to be some sense of continuity.

For instance, if Thor in the Avengers looked nothing like the Thor in his own movie, that wouldn't be right.

Amen! Can you imagine the smell of dirty underwear around here if he decided to have Tony run around the entire movie in his blue Arctic armor (in the style of the 90's Iron Man animated series), put Cap in spandex, or give Thor his rock-star Deodato costume?

The same goes for the Hulk. The last time we saw him, he looked like THE Hulk. Let's keep that. (And can we put homeboy in some pinkish-purple pants? Please? And, please God, no Speedo or shorts.)

[Crimson King]

Let me go on record as voting against pinkish-purple pants on Hulk. As for the rest of the design, I love TIH Hulk but could stomach some changes as long as they're done well.

[Wolvieboy17]

The pinkish purple would be so forced, especially after teasing it in TIH. I don't see what's wrong with ripped jeans or other pants.

[Guerrilla]

Since they will pretty much tweak or redisign every hero in the avengers, I think that it will be easier to accept what changes they make to the hulk. We will probably see new armor for ironman plus hulkbuster, a different costume for cap. I imagine fury and Black widow will get new outfits as well. The only one I see staying the same is thor. So whatever they go with for hulk it wont be something that you see and automatically wish for the TIH version. You'll probably see him and say that makes sense, looks like ruffalo and move on.

[ArtTeacher]

The only one I see staying the same is thor. Why is that?

[BoredGuy]

Yeah i think they'll just alter the face a little bit

Wasn't TIH hulk's face supposedly in some way modeled after Norton?
Probably the same deal, looks like Hulk, but with a few distinguising features

and yes, skin texture from Ang's Hulk, please.

[Brian Braddock]

Yup, always said that - loved the design of TIH's Hulk but didnt really like the sheer volume of stirations given to him whereas the '03 Hulk has a wonderful skin texture but I wasnt particularly enamored with the design.

If they were ever to combine the best elements of the two they would have one awesome looking Hulk.

[Doctor Jones]

I think there could be some tweeks, nothing radical. I expect Whedon to know this. And who knows, these tweaks could look better. The Hulk's look is subjecive from observation. Everyone has their preferences. Yes, there will probably be continuity, but every detail to the Hulk I'm not expecting to be the same. If he is, great, the CG can be the only thing improved.

[Parker Wayne]

Amen! Can you imagine the smell of dirty underwear around here if he decided to have Tony run around the entire movie in his blue Arctic armor (in the style of the 90's Iron Man animated series), put Cap in spandex, or give Thor his rock-star Deodato costume?

The same goes for the Hulk. The last time we saw him, he looked like THE Hulk. Let's keep that. (And can we put homeboy in some pinkish-purple pants? Please? And, please God, no Speedo or shorts.)

Even though I agree, those analogies aren't really that good. It's not like the Hulk's skin will change color, or he will change clothes.

[TikkiEXX]

man some people up in here need to lay off the caffeine. lol. anyways, im assuming theyre not gonna use a 2 year old model anyways. so even if it basically looks the same it wont be the same. im sure they can do way better by the time The Avengers comes out. as far as animation and detail and all that jazz.

[Flemm]

Well, I hope the Hulk model gets a thorough revamp for Avengers. Not that the one in TIH looked bad. I don't think it did, but it needs to be even better for the Hulk to work as a focal point of a mainstream movie at some point following Avengers. This movie will be a way of re-introducing the Hulk without the character having to carry the movie, so it is the perfect time to come up with something new and really awesome looking.

Most of all, I think Hulk needs more personality in order for audiences to see him as more than just a CGI blob. So the fact that the studio seems to be using an actor as the basis for Hulk via motion capture strikes me as a very good sign.

During the Hulk vs. Abom fight at the end of TIH, I felt that there was a complete disconnect between what was happening on screen and any character or emotion. It was like watching a video game. And I'm a comic book fan. I can only imagine what a non-comic book fan would have felt watching that (nothing, probably, which is bad). The Hulk needs to look cool, yes, but he also needs to feel like a character moreso than a construct.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't think it will be a radical transformation. I think there will be some features (like the overall size and muscle width) that keeps Hulk the same.

[Flemm]

I don't think it will be a radical transformation. I think there will be some features (like the overall size and muscle width) that keeps Hulk the same.

I think the main thing is added personality. And perhaps a less artificial or clay-like feel. I don't expect the basics to change much. He's still going to look like Hulk.

[Spider-Fan]

I think it will look mostly the same, but with slightly more advanced CGI. I don't expect the overall look of Hulk to change much, though.

[Pac-Master]

I still want to see that Hulk design they showed to journalists at Cinemacon.

[BigThor]

man some people up in here need to lay off the caffeine. lol. anyways, im assuming theyre not gonna use a 2 year old model anyways. so even if it basically looks the same it wont be the same. im sure they can do way better by the time The Avengers comes out. as far as animation and detail and all that jazz.

It's a 3 year old model :woot:

[marcvader]

Well, I hope the Hulk model gets a thorough revamp for Avengers. Not that the one in TIH looked bad. I don't think it did, but it needs to be even better for the Hulk to work as a focal point of a mainstream movie at some point following Avengers. This movie will be a way of re-introducing the Hulk without the character having to carry the movie, so it is the perfect time to come up with something new and really awesome looking.

Most of all, I think Hulk needs more personality in order for audiences to see him as more than just a CGI blob. So the fact that the studio seems to be using an actor as the basis for Hulk via motion capture strikes me as a very good sign.

During the Hulk vs. Abom fight at the end of TIH, I felt that there was a complete disconnect between what was happening on screen and any character or emotion. It was like watching a video game. And I'm a comic book fan. I can only imagine what a non-comic book fan would have felt watching that (nothing, probably, which is bad). The Hulk needs to look cool, yes, but he also needs to feel like a character moreso than a construct.

Correct, which is one thing Ang Lee's got right

[herolee10]

Considering that they've been showing clips of 2008's Hulk in some of the Thor commercials, I imagine that it wouldn't look that drastically different other than looking more like Mark instead of Ed.

[Spider-Vader]

TIH Hulk is a near perfect looking Hulk IMO, as long they don't drastically change it I'm A-OK. There's no real reason that they should anyway, I assume Marvel still has the models. Why waste time designing a new Hulk when you can just tweak one that already exists?

[flickchick85]

Considering that they've been showing clips of 2008's Hulk in some of the Thor commercials, I imagine that it wouldn't look that drastically different other than looking more like Mark instead of Ed.
The TIH Hulk already looked more like Mark than Ed, so they wouldn't even need to change that, imo.

[BigThor]

The TIH Hulk already looked more like Mark than Ed, so they wouldn't even need to change that, imo.

I agree 100%, I thought I was the only one who felt that way :woot:

[Wolvieboy17]

I agree 100%, I thought I was the only one who felt that way

Are you kidding? I've said that exact thing like 5 times in the last 5 pages :P

[Iceman]

Ruffalo has square Hulk like features facially while Norton looks nothing like any version of Hulk.

[BigThor]

Are you kidding? I've said that exact thing like 5 times in the last 5 pages :P

My bad Wolvie, I guess I was just skimming through :dry:

[Wolvieboy17]

How very dare you.... Or perhaps in celebration of Thorsday tomorrow, how VERILY dare you!

[BigThor]

I say thee, my bad :cwink:

[Wolvieboy17]

Forgiven. Come! Partake in this mead with me. BARKEEP, ANOTHER! *SMASH*

[BigThor]

*Toasts with cup of mead*:thor:

[Mister Sinister]

The Avengers starts filming on Monday! From Clark Gregg's Twitter feed: -

LAX to NYC - #SHIELD event for #ACURA in support of #THOR. Recruiting some new agents before #AVENGERS starts on Monday. #Word

[Crimson King]

I'll say it again: Marvel needs to release a team shot ahead of any leaks once they all get together in May

[Spider-ManHero12]

The Avengers starts filming on Monday! From Clark Gregg's Twitter feed: - Awesome!

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'll say it again: Marvel needs to release a team shot ahead of any leaks once they all get together in May Very true. This should become a mandatory thing for all comic book films now.

[Mister Sinister]

Very true. This should become a mandatory thing for all comic book films now.

Zack Snyder says he's going to do it for Man of Steel. Makes a lot of sense.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yeah, thankfully.

[Doctor Jones]

I guess this past weeks has just been plate shots and such. The real filming will start Monday.

Sometimes I feel that this will somehow suddenly be all over and never filmed and only be a fantasy. Until Monday starts I won't truly believe it.

[Pac-Master]

The Avengers starts filming on Monday! From Clark Gregg's Twitter feed: -
Nice.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If they do release a group ****, my heart won't be able to take it.

[Moridin]

I guess this past weeks has just been plate shots and such. The real filming will start Monday.

Or it just means Gregg starts filming his stuff on Monday, like Hemsworth doesn't start filming his stuff until the 7th(?) of May.

[Pac-Master]

If they do release a group ****, my heart won't be able to take it.
Hahaha, I think you typed the wrong word. :lmao: