The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - Part 4

[Iron_Stark]

Perhaps that's where the Skrulls come into play.

Lets hope so.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Man, I hope we get more set pictures soon, lol. I know, it seems too early to get some and they're probably filming in studio, but i do hope we get more.

One of the things I'm most looking foward to in the Avengers is the Hulk's interaction with the team.

[Endeavor]

.. Think of it as Cap is Cyclops and Fury is Prof X.

Then we'd better hope the don't go the FOX route and replace "Cyclops" with "Wolverine".

[marcvader]

I hope we get to see the team in costume outdoors once they shoot in Cleveland or New York.

[Endeavor]

Well let's just hope that they don't go the Film route and have someone appointed as the "Wolverine" of the group since we all know on how Scott Summers got screwed from it.:csad:


Oops. I shouldve kept on reading...

[misjuevos]

can't wait to see the heli carrier! giant floating things are always cool to me.

[Rock Sexton]

can't wait to see the heli carrier! giant floating things are always cool to me.

Even ones in the toilet bowl? :woot:

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

[Wolvieboy17]

I think we've all already learnt the very valuable lesson that Marvel Studios is NOT Fox.

[marcvader]

Marvel has been pretty spot on with the characterizations of its heroes.

[Quasimod0]

http://**************.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=36177

"I’m the first actor to do both. It’s really cool. I was surprised by how well my theater training played into the motion capture thing, because it’s all your imagination. When he moves across the ground, I want him using all fours, using his arms as much as his legs to move from here to there. I’d like to capture some of the primitive aspect of him."


What?!

[Wolvieboy17]

CBM? Really?

[Khemik@L]

CBM? Really?

Here's the original:
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/04/29/mark-ruffalo-talks-avengers-sympathy-for-delicious/

[Quasimod0]

but it was mark ruffalo that said it. lol

[Alientraveller]

Here's the actual interview: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/04/29/mark-ruffalo-talks-avengers-sympathy-for-delicious/

Interesting, as a kid I tried to draw the Hulk in a rather ape-like manner. You could say that about Kirby too, but I think he was drawing more from Karloff's Frankenstein creature.

[marcvader]

If that's what he really said, Marvel needs to place a gag order on him. I'm rooting for him but jeez the guy is fruity.

[Quasimod0]

I trust that marvel won't let him come in and make all kinds of changes like that

[Rock Sexton]

If that's what he really said, Marvel needs to place a gag order on him. I'm rooting for him but jeez the guy is fruity.

I seriously miss Ed.

[Whiskey Tango]

can't wait to see the heli carrier! giant floating things are always cool to me.

I'm curious if the helicarrier will be making use of Stark's repulsor tech to stay aloft or if it'll have giant turbines or something. I really want to see the thing, assuming it's in there. Tony apparently didn't even know about Shield until the end of the first movie so he might be pissed if he finds out a super secret spy organization has been using his toys without his knowledge. Mmm, conflict.

Anmyway, interesting facts about aircraft carrier construction I came across the other day while thinking about the helicarrier:

Putting together an aircraft carrier is like no other manufacturing task, past or present. Each ship costs more than $4 billion, with some 80% of that going to the yard and the rest spent on Navy-supplied components. The job involves 47,000 tons of precision-welded steel up to four inches thick, more than a million distinct parts, 900 miles of wire and cable, around 40 million skilled-worker hours, battalions of engineers, and over seven years of hard work. You think you have tough specs and demanding customers? The Navy expects carriers to dominate the seas for 50 years and come home only once for refueling.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002/07/22/326287/index.htm

[Endeavor]

Marvel has been pretty spot on with the characterizations of its heroes.

Agreed. I'm just hoping it stays like that.

[Whiskey Tango]

If that's what he really said, Marvel needs to place a gag order on him. I'm rooting for him but jeez the guy is fruity.

I was willing to go along peacefully at first but I'm having more doubts with every interview.

[Endeavor]

.. Tony apparently didn't even know about Shield until the end of the first movie so he might be pissed if he finds out a super secret spy organization has been using his toys without his knowledge. Mmm, conflict.
This would be interesting to see, if they go that route. The MCU is constantly expanding so they could easily say the technology that keeps the Helicarrier in the air was invented by some other Marvel super scientist. It could be Pym or anybody else and all they would have to do is mention their name, as an easter egg, without even showing the person in the movie.

Putting together an aircraft carrier is like no other manufacturing task, past or present. Each ship costs more than $4 billion, with some 80% of that going to the yard and the rest spent on Navy-supplied components. The job involves 47,000 tons of precision-welded steel up to four inches thick, more than a million distinct parts, 900 miles of wire and cable, around 40 million skilled-worker hours, battalions of engineers, and over seven years of hard work. You think you have tough specs and demanding customers? The Navy expects carriers to dominate the seas for 50 years and come home only once for refueling.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002/07/22/326287/index.htm
Cool info :up:

[Chewy]

When he moves across the ground, I want him using all fours, using his arms as much as his legs to move from here to there. I’d like to capture some of the primitive aspect of him
wtf?

[S.A.A.D.]

I'm not digging this ape like Hulk idea either. :doh:

[Quasimod0]

he better not be using all fours

[Whiskey Tango]

http://i54.tinypic.com/4dw68.jpg

[Quasimod0]

http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/art/large/VAR01102.jpg

[kaijunexus]

Here's the Hulk-related portion of the EW interview...

The Avengers started this week. When do you show up for filming?
I actually start the day [Sympathy For Delicious] opens.
What preparations have you been doing up until now?
I’ve been working with [director/co-writer] Joss Whedon quite a bit on developing it, my portion of it. I’ll be working with Robert Downey, and I’m already doing the motion capture stuff. I’m excited.
So you are performing both parts of the Hulk, the human and the digital monster?
Yeah, I’m the first actor to do both. It’s really cool. I was surprised by how well my theater training played into the motion capture thing, because it’s all your imagination. When he moves across the ground, I want him using all fours, using his arms as much as his legs to move from here to there. I’d like to capture some of the primitive aspect of him.
Do you see him as a kind of hunched, gorilla-type?
Not so much hunched, but the low center of gravity, and the flailing of the arms sometimes.
I assume you’ve seen concept art of how he’ll turn out. What does he look like?
He looks just like me, but bloated and green. And big! He looks like me 40 pounds ago. [Laughs]
You are luckiest of The Avengers. You could hang out and eat ice cream all day, while they all have to pump iron to stay muscular.
It’s not a bad deal! The more of a difference there is between Mark and the Hulk, the happier everyone seems to be. I was like, ‘So do you want me to get ripped up?’ And they went, ‘No, no, no, no, no, no! Nice and trim. We want you nice and trim.’ They said, ‘We want you to look good with your shirt off, but we don’t want you strapped.’ I can live with that. And so can my wife!
It sounds more like he's going for a "wild" Hulk than a gorilla-Hulk.

I doubt we'll be seeing this...

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/artupida/illustration/SPYT%20artwork/MasHulk.jpg

[misjuevos]

i thought the helicarrier would be tech based on howard starks work. sure he is dead but im sure he had plans for lots of things that never saw the light of day.

[Son of Coul]

Yeah I dunno what the **** he's talking about. The next answer sort of alleviates some of that, but adds some more confusion to me--
Do you see him as a kind of hunched, gorilla-type?
Not so much hunched, but the low center of gravity, and the flailing of the arms sometimes.

edit- ah, what kaijun was saying.

[GhostPoet]

Interesting...
I kind of like the sound of this Hulk.

I still have a lot of doubts about the Hulk looking so much like the actor...but I'll try not to judge until they give us a pic.

[Wolvieboy17]

In reading it again, it's somewhat ambiguous. Having worked with actors, they talk alot about using specific parts of your body to inform your character, either leading with your shoulders or leading with your crotch for your walk.

Ruffalo says he wants Hulk USING all fours, not necessarily ON all fours. That could just mean we see the weight and momentum in his limbs as he moves on the ground, as Ruffalo says, using his legs and arms in an equal amount.

[GhostPoet]

In reading it again, it's somewhat ambiguous. Having worked with actors, they talk alot about using specific parts of your body to inform your character, either leading with your shoulders or leading with your crotch for your walk.

Ruffalo says he wants Hulk USING all fours, not necessarily ON all fours. That could just mean we see the weight and momentum in his limbs as he moves on the ground, as Ruffalo says, using his legs and arms in an equal amount.

Which could simply imply that he's hunched over and tends to use both hands and feet during various forms of movement (like combat)

I agree.

[Dr Lee]

if the Helicarrier ISN'T powered by an Arc Reactor.... then i'll be shocked.

[Wolvieboy17]

We already know Howard Stark was a founding member of Shield, so it would make sense. Make it interesting for Tony to find out more about his Dad too from Fury and Cap.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hmm, interesting interview. I like the fact that he may be going for an animalistic type of Hulk. Though, I don't think he should be on all fours all the time. No need for it.

[Iceman]

Howard Stark's involvement with everything is very cool!

[Aesop Rocks]

Personally, I like the gorilla-type idea. I'm sure we'll see some goodies in July.

[Crimson King]

Beast Hulk? :down:

[jab1118]

Why can't the Hulk look and move like he did in the last movie? With a new Banner and a Hulk that is going to look and move completely different, no supporting characters from the movie appearing in the avengers as far as we know then to me the whole continuity thing goes out the window. TIH almost becomes a stand alone film to me. I really hope Hulk doesn't look and act as different as Ruffalo makes it sound.

[Rock Sexton]

Why can't the Hulk look and move like he did in the last movie? With a new Banner and a Hulk that is going to look and move completely different, no supporting characters from the movie appearing in the avengers as far as we know then to me the whole continuity thing goes out the window. TIH almost becomes a stand alone film to me. I really hope Hulk doesn't look and act as different as Ruffalo makes it sound.

Fiege is carrying the grudge too far ..... this much is becoming increasingly more apparent.

I'm sorry, but at this stage (things could change) it's going to be like watching a giant watermark on film because of the changes to both Banner, the Hulk and so far no indication of any kind of connection to TIH.

Look, they want to change the actor .... fine. Just don't trot out there yet another re-imagining of him, ignoring what was ESTABLISHED as a part of the Marvel U. Consistency is key to this film with these characters.

[Pac-Master]

He never said he would walk on all fours. I think he meant that he wants to exaggerate the movements in his arms and legs in order to bring a primitive aspect to the Hulk.

[Figs]

Fiege is carrying the grudge too far ..... this much is becoming increasingly more apparent.

I'm sorry, but at this stage (things could change) it's going to be like watching a giant watermark on film because of the changes to both Banner, the Hulk and so far no indication of any kind of connection to TIH.

I've also noticed in numerous articles in the past when Avengers is brought up they keep saying only Iron man, Thor and Captain America's names. I'm not saying Marvel is trying to completely ignore TIH, but it seems like it's definitely the bastard child of Marvel Studios.

[Dark Raven]

Ruffalo wants Hulk's knuckles to permanently drag on the ground. Just toss him a banana now. Wouldn't Tim Roth have been better for this role?

[Endeavor]

Ruffalo wants Hulk's knuckles to permanently drag on the ground.

I didn't see that in the interview, are you talking about another, more recent one?

[Spider-ManHero12]

He never said he would walk on all fours. I think he meant that he wants to exaggerate the movements in his arms and legs in order to bring a primitive aspect to the Hulk. Exactly.

[Rock Sexton]

I've also noticed in numerous articles in the past when Avengers is brought up they keep saying only Iron man, Thor and Captain America's names. I'm not saying Marvel is trying to completely ignore TIH, but it seems like it's definitely the bastard child of Marvel Studios.

I noticed they took the Hulk out of a Thor tv spot where he used to be when they mentioned there isn't only one superhero.

[Iron_Stark]

I still don't see where he said he was going to be walking around like a gorilla. Was it in another interview I missed?

What I did see was that he was going to be more savage.

Anyone play or make a character on DC Universe online? There's a choice on how you want your character to be standing, heroic, comedic, primal and some other one I think. I imagine Hulk's going to ne moving around and standing like that primal option.

[Figs]

I noticed they took the Hulk out of a Thor tv spot where he used to be when they mentioned there isn't only one superhero.

Are you serious??!

Although I'm looking forward to Ruffalo's take on it, I really wish Norton stayed on, just for continuity's sake.

[Rock Sexton]

I still don't see where he said he was going to be walking around like a gorilla. Was it in another interview I missed?

What I did see was that he was going to be more savage.

Anyone play or make a character on DC Universe online? There's a choice on how you want your character to be standing, heroic, comedic, primal and some other one I think. I imagine Hulk's going to ne moving around and standing like that primal option.

That's a blurry line between primal and gorilla IMO.

His stance was perfectly fine in TIH. I don't get what was wrong with it or why Whedon feels the need to screw with it.

[Rock Sexton]

Are you serious??!

Although I'm looking forward to Ruffalo's take on it, I really wish Norton stayed on, just for continuity's sake.

Yup. Saw it last night. No Hulk.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Hmm, that's odd.

[Spider-Fan]

Before complaining, I'll wait and see what he is talking about, lol. I don't think he means walking on all fours or anything.

[BigThor]

Hulk vs Thor would look cool, possibly better than Hulk/Abomination fight, but I'm talking about wide scale grandeur. Like the Transformers trailer. Everything in chaos, widespread panic and the only ones that are able to stop it are the combined forces of the heroes. THAT is the movie they need to make.

If this movie is nothing but heroes fighting each other, Hulk/Thor, IM/Cap, IM/Thor, etc, with them fighting Loki at the end, color me unimpressed.

Of course, I wasn't saying that the fight between Hulk and Thor should be the highlight of the Avengers, I was just saying it could easily be one of the top 5 best action scenes in the film.

Whatever massive force the Avengers face should be the most impressive action sequence by far, but it won't hurt to have a few other spectacles here and there :woot:.

[TheVileOne]

What Ultimate Cap did to Banner was dirty and Cap wouldn't do that. Kicking Banner had just as great of a risk of hulkifying him again.

[not_a_victim]

Before complaining, I'll wait and see what he is talking about, lol. I don't think he means walking on all fours or anything.

He confirmed he was not talking about walking on all fours, though we did see Hulk MOVING on all fours on occasion in both previous movies.
He was speaking of exaggerated upper body movements, like when a gorilla decides to walk upright for short distances, or when people talk about seeing the mythical Bigfoot move about.

[not_a_victim]

That's a blurry line between primal and gorilla IMO.

His stance was perfectly fine in TIH. I don't get what was wrong with it or why Whedon feels the need to screw with it.

And that is strictly your opinion. Unless you are a trained stage actor, you don't know what you are talking about.
Ruffalo said his theater background has helped him. In theater, you are taught to greatly exagerrate your movements, so that those in the back row can see them.
For instance, a camera actor, when scratching his chest, will place his hand on his chest, and move his fingers. A stage actor, in order to convey to the people in the back row the fact he is stratching his chest, will place his hand on his chest, keep his fingers stationary, and move his entire lower arm. It looks fairly goofy up close, but makes sense to those in the further rows back. That's why I never sit in the first 10 rows when seeing a play. It can be distracting if you are not aware and used to it.

[Rock Sexton]

And that is strictly your opinion. Unless you are a trained stage actor, you don't know what you are talking about.
Ruffalo said his theater background has helped him. In theater, you are taught to greatly exagerrate your movements, so that those in the back row can see them.
For instance, a camera actor, when scratching his chest, will place his hand on his chest, and move his fingers. A stage actor, in order to convey to the people in the back row the fact he is stratching his chest, will place his hand on his chest, keep his fingers stationary, and move his entire lower arm. It looks fairly goofy up close, but makes sense to those in the further rows back. That's why I never sit in the first 10 rows when seeing a play. It can be distracting if you are not aware and used to it.

None of what you said has anything to do with any proposed "shortcomings" of the posture and movement of the previous Hulk. It's almost like you were implying the previous incarnation of Hulk was mannequin-esque.

Adding a more primal edge was a creative decision, has nothing to do with trained acting.

[Rock Sexton]

^^ Hmm, that's odd.

Ya, it was Just Tony Stark, Nick Fury, and then Iron Man (yes, separate from Stark).

[Crimson King]

Ya, it was Just Tony Stark, Nick Fury, and then Iron Man (yes, separate from Stark).

I just saw the one where it mentioned "many heroes" and they showed Hulk plain as day. There are so many Thor TV spots, you probably saw a different one.

[not_a_victim]

None of what you said has anything to do with any proposed "shortcomings" of the posture and movement of the previous Hulk. It's almost like you were implying the previous incarnation of Hulk was mannequin-esque.

Adding a more primal edge was a creative decision, has nothing to do with trained acting.
Nope, not saying that at all.
Ruffalo said the arm movements of his version of the Hulk would be "flailing around" while he was walking/moving. That indicated exaggerated movements. He said his training as a stage actor was what helped him with that. I'm just drawing the comparison of the two.
I make no statements about the previous incarnations of movie Hulk, I'm only explaining how Ruffalo's stage training may come into play with the movement of this incarnation.

[Spider-Vader]

It would be like putting I'M THE JUGGERNAUT ***** in X-men 3.

I think that line actually fits Juggernaut as he's a cocky dude. But it was just done poorly in the movie & nowhere near as funny as the original version.


If this movie is nothing but heroes fighting each other, Hulk/Thor, IM/Cap, IM/Thor, etc, with them fighting Loki at the end, color me unimpressed.

I think the only hero fights we'll see is a Thor vs Hulk & a Hulk vs Avengers fight. I don't see a IM/Cap or IM/Thor fight happening.

[WildcatNC]

I just saw the one where it mentioned "many heroes" and they showed Hulk plain as day. There are so many Thor TV spots, you probably saw a different one.


Pretty much. The Hulk is still in at least one of them. I've seen him several times.


There were at least 3-4 different TV spots, probably more. Many had the same stuff just recut.

[Wolvieboy17]

What Ultimate Cap did to Banner was dirty and Cap wouldn't do that. Kicking Banner had just as great of a risk of hulkifying him again.

No, it was entirely justified. Banner had just deliberately turned himself into Hulk, for no good reason other than insecurity, and killed about 600 people, so it was clearly equal parts angry justice and putting him down for good.

[Son of Coul]

Most would say it's justified, so would I even. But when I saw that I just got a very uneasy feeling. I feel like Cap is supposed to be a better man than I. Plus even if he is very powerful, it does sort of risk another Hulk-out and was an unwise move to pull. And was there really that big of a risk of him making himself do that again? Feels like more of a Nick Fury move. Not only that, but it's the angered motivation that really bothered me.

I'll admit I only read that scene and a couple others out of context in a book store so it's entirely possible I'm getting the wrong impression though.:oldrazz:

[Spider-Fan]

Ultimate Cap did many things I don't feel Cap should or would do. But, kicking Banner in the face was perfectly okay by me. He was too dangerous to leave conscious. Now, KILLING him would have been Un-Cap. Knocking him out, that's A-okay. Where Ultimate Cap handled that not like 616 Cap would be the fact he did that gash on cheek line before doing it, making it a bit more in your face. But, I think 616 Cap in that situation knocks him out too.

[Doomed_hero]

i may be wrong. but did they know that his anger made him stronger at that point. Cap was doing the fastest move in order to get the needle into Hulk and end the fight . thats what a soilder should be about, getting the job done quick with the least risk to bystanders. He could have jumped around andblock, but witht the amount of people in NY, there is a big chance more people would have been hurt. Cap knew that and took whatever action was needed.

[Doomed_hero]

opps think i read the debate wrong lol

[bored]

Since people have been talking about it, I just saw a version of the "Thor" trailer that still has the Hulk.

[TheVileOne]

Cap's will is unbreakable and again that is something he would never stoop to.

Regarding Erik Stelveg:

Loki is stuck on Earth at the end of Thor. He's now influencing and controlling the professor to do his bidding. The professor is brought in by Nick Fury to SHIELD in order to study the cosmic cube. And honestly, Fury's intentions with the cosmic cube didn't come off completely clean either. Not saying Loki is possessing Fury, but I detected some ambiguity in Fury's tone. It might be nothing.

[TikkiEXX]

i dunno man. Banner had to be put down. i had absolutely no problems with Cap kicking the crap out of him after what he did. like Wolvie said the dude had just killed hundreds of people. and anyways Ultimate Cap is NOT 616 Cap. kinda silly at this point to expect him to act the same.

[Parker Wayne]

I saw a commercial of Thor with the Hulk in it too.

[Parker Wayne]

Ultimate Cap did many things I don't feel Cap should or would do. But, kicking Banner in the face was perfectly okay by me. He was too dangerous to leave conscious. Now, KILLING him would have been Un-Cap. Knocking him out, that's A-okay. Where Ultimate Cap handled that not like 616 Cap would be the fact he did that gash on cheek line before doing it, making it a bit more in your face. But, I think 616 Cap in that situation knocks him out too.

The kick was fine. The problem I had was the "A for France" quote among other things, but he's not Captain America, and other than costume I really don't see many traits of ultimate Cap in the Avengers. It doesn't create as much conflict with Tony Stark if he's like the Ultimates Cap than the 616 Cap.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ya, it was Just Tony Stark, Nick Fury, and then Iron Man (yes, separate from Stark). I wonder why they tok him out? Maybe because they don't want people thinking that's the Hulk we'll be seeing on screen? I doubt that's it though.

[jadejaws]

I wonder why they tok him out? Maybe because they don't want people thinking that's the Hulk we'll be seeing on screen? I doubt that's it though.

Yeah, I doubt it too...if that was the case then why ever put him in it at all?
I'm sure the design of the new Hulk has been locked in for awhile now. I'd still be fairly shocked if it was an extreme change from TIH.

[Wolvieboy17]

VileOne, probably too much speculation in that post

We don't know Loki is trapped on Earth, we only know he's there. And as for Loki controlling Fury, dude, it's FURY. His motives are ALWAYS ambiguous

[Iron_Stark]

I wonder why they tok him out? Maybe because they don't want people thinking that's the Hulk we'll be seeing on screen? I doubt that's it though.

Nah, they just have a few different versions of that spot. One has the Mark V IM suit, another has the Mark IV, and another has both but no Hulk.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Ah, I see. I fgured that.

[TheVileOne]

Loki is trapped SOMEWHERE because Bifrost is shattered and the regular pathways between realms is closed.

I'm not saying Loki is really controlling Fury so much as Fury has motivations of his own with the cosmic cube that aren't necessarily clean/benevolent.

[Wolvieboy17]

@ Vile

But we already know Loki has ways of moving between the realms without the bifrost, without Heimdall.

[shigsy2003]

Ya, it was Just Tony Stark, Nick Fury, and then Iron Man (yes, separate from Stark).

Can anyone point me in the right direction to viewing the TV spots with other super heroes in them????

[Crimson King]

Here's one shigsy (with Hulk):

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[shigsy2003]

Here's one shigsy (with Hulk):

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Ahhh sweet thanks :)

[Alientraveller]

Couple of quotes from Hemsworth here: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1663033/thor-chris-hemsworth-avengers.jhtml


"[It's great] to have my brother there. Even if we don't get along," Hemsworth joked. "[Hiddleston] is fantastic. [He gave] an incredible, incredible performance in the film, and he's going to do the same in this one."

"There's certainly some tension. You've got big egos on these superheroes," he said. "None of them want to be told what to do or form an alliance with these people who they don't understand anything about," he said. "In the comic books, you see that it's not an easy mix; that's definitely in [the movie]."
And I like what Evans has to say here about Cap adjusting to the present: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/27/captain-america-chris-evans-says-cg-team-nailed-it-with-frail-steve-rogers-scenes/?dlvrit=57774


“Just think about text messaging,” Evans said. “That’s the way I communicate with my friends now. If one them calls me I’m like, ‘Why didn’t you just text me?’ And that’s pretty new. Cellphones haven’t been around that long – I remember when people didn’t have them, really – and the Internet has totally changed the world in a relatively short period of time. Think of how strange all of it would be to someone from the 1940s who looks around and wonders what happened to all the things that were important to them.”

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Nice inerviews. I love how each actor is mentioning the tension between the teammates. Definitely something I'm really looking foward to.

[TheVileOne]

@ Vile

But we already know Loki has ways of moving between the realms without the bifrost, without Heimdall.
We can't assume he knows how or can get from other realms from earth though. We can only assume he knows of some hidden paths specifically from frost giant realm to Asgard.

[Wolvieboy17]

@Vile

But how about when he sneaks down to Earth to see Thor?

[Spider-ManHero12]

The God of Thunder is landing in the United Stateshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167153-exclusive-updates-on-the-avengers#) this Friday when Thor (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=23177) hits theaters nationwide and production is already underway on Marvel Studios' The Avengers (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=44657), set to bring Chris Hemsworth back to the big screen as the Asgardian hero. This afternoon, ComingSoon.net/SuperHeroHype had the opportunity to speak exclusively with the cast of this week's release and, while the full video interviews will arrive shortly, here's what the talent had to say in regard to the 2012 ensemble film.
Hemsworth, of course, is a lock for the team film, though he still has some time before he heads back to New Mexico.
"We start shooting in a couple of weeks," he said, "which I knew that we were going to do when I signed on for 'Thor,' but it's certainly on the forefront now as the next challenge with another big group of actors that I admire hugely. I'm very excited."
"I can't talk about that," laughed Jaimie Alexander, who portrays the warrior Sif, about her possible return to the Marvel Universe, "And the funny thing is, it's because I don't know. A lot of times they don't tell us things until the very end, so I can safely say I have no clue. It would be awesome, though. I'd be totally willing to do it."
Also confirmed for The Avengers (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=44657) is Tom Hiddleston, reprising his role of Loki.
"I will be [heading to Albuquerque] soon," he smiled, "That is a dead-set certainty. I'm so excited. Loki has big plans... and it's going to take eight superheroes to stop him this time as opposed to just his chunky brother."
Eight superheroes could lead to some speculation, as the cast is sure to include Hemsworth as Thor, Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Chris Evans as Captain America, Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=the+hulk), Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow and Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. Does the eighth hero refer to Cobie Smulders' Maria Hill, or is there still a bit of surprise casting in store? Check back with SuperHeroHype for updates as they become available.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167153-exclusive-updates-on-the-avengers

[TheVileOne]

@Vile

But how about when he sneaks down to Earth to see Thor?
We don't know that he sneaked. He could've used Heimdall for that.

If I can, I plan on asking Hemsworth about that "chunky" remark at the presser.

[Dark Raven]

Because this whole page seems full of them, I thought I'd communicate in this way too.

[Moridin]

Because this whole page seems full of them, I thought I'd communicate in this way too.


My momma always said, "Spoiler tags are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

[Spider-ManHero12]

My momma always said, "Spoiler tags are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." Your box, however, is full of active grenades!!!!!!

Hopefully, you get the reference, lol.

[lixdexia]

We don't know that he sneaked. He could've used Heimdall for that.

If I can, I plan on asking Hemsworth about that "chunky" remark at the presser.
we know he didn't though, or else heimdall wouldn't be upset about it

[Son of Coul]

Hahaha, that chunky remark made me laugh

[Rock Sexton]

Sounds like Whedon appreciates the villainy of Loki the way I do. Love the comments he made about his chunky brother haha ...

[shigsy2003]

We don't know that he sneaked. He could've used Heimdall for that.


But Loki states to Heimdall

There are secret ways out of Asgard to which even you are blind to.

Or something along those lines. So he definitely has others ways of getting around.

[protocida]

Is this where we're talking through Spoiler Boxes?

[HighFivingMF]

But Loki states to Heimdall

There are secret ways out of Asgard to which even you are blind to.

Or something along those lines. So he definitely has others ways of getting around.
Jesus... I thought you said "Skates." I had half a heart attack and Batman and Robin flashbacks.

[shigsy2003]

Is this where we're talking through Spoiler Boxes?

Lol for safety purposes. You never know what some people class as spoilers.

Jesus... I thought you said "Skates." I had half a heart attack and Batman and Robin flashbacks.

Ha ha ha. No nothing like that in Thor :D

[Yurka]

"That is a dead-set certainty. I'm so excited. Loki has big plans... and it's going to take eight superheroes to stop him this time as opposed to just his chunky brother."

I dont want to see Loki as the villain, with the Infinty Gauntlet on display last year at Comic-Con I thought Thanos was heavily implied.

[Blader5489]

I still want to know how the Avengers would be able to defeat Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.

If that happens at all, it'll be in a Thor sequel or some cosmic movie. Not the Avengers.

[Yurka]

Its the same old debate, which villain can challenge and fight on a level with "8 superheroes"? There arent many villains that warrant a team superheroes to take them down, I think Thanos is one of the few. It sounds like its Loki, I still have doubts though.

[Wolvieboy17]

But being able to 'take down' 8 superheroes isn't so much about a one on one fight, because that's extremely uninteresting. A villain who merely poses a physical threat is very weak as far as the story goes. Whereas a character like Loki, manipulating and fraying the already weak, tense bonds between newly formed team mates can be a lot more damaging.

[protocida]

I still demand a physical fight.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well obviously there will be.

[Spider-ManHero12]

But being able to 'take down' 8 superheroes isn't so much about a one on one fight, because that's extremely uninteresting. A villain who merely poses a physical threat is very weak as far as the story goes. Whereas a character like Loki, manipulating and fraying the already weak, tense bonds between newly formed team mates can be a lot more damaging. This. :up:

[Chewy]

Keep in mind there has to be a preexisting threat, otherwise Fury wouldn't have wanted to put together a team way back in IM. And Loki popping up is not a preexisting threat. Skrulls, however... :cwink:

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I am pretty keen on the idea of Skrulls. You can't lead with Thanos.... You introduce Skrulls and maybe Kree, then you can lead onto other cosmic beings... Loki, however, could be a great conduit for the Skrulls. There's no reason he couldn't have knowledge of the other races.

[The Morningstar]

I think Thanos would be awesome.

Remember the Turtles final fight with shredder in the first Turtles movie? Now imagine that kinda thing, but with Thanos as Shredder and the Avengers as the Turtles and with 250 million dollars thrown at it. Would be awesome.

Don't get me wrong i like the idea of Loki behind the scenes manipulating and pulling strings.

But the spectacle of Thanos vs The Avengers on the big screen has my mouth watering. It'd be one hell of a finale.

[protocida]

I remember when Thor's Comic-Con trailer leaked and people, confused by the appearance of the Infinity Gauntlet prop, started saying that Laufey and the Frost Giants were Thanos and his clones, and that Thanos would be a "secret" antagonist in Thor carried over to The Avengers.

[The Morningstar]

It did seem strange that they had a prop like that and it was never seen in the film though. Looked like a genuine movie prop. I always assumed it'd show up in Odin's vault or something, like a easter egg.

[protocida]

It did.

[Crimson King]

It did? A few people in the Thor thread said they didn't see it in there. I suppose I'll find out for myself Thursday at midnight.

[Crimson King]

As for the antagonist, Chewy's right: there's a reason Fury is assembling a team in IM1 and it's not to combat Loki. The only way I can buy him as a single threat would be if he had Odin's power like in A:EMH. Otherwise I think he'll be a catalyst in a much larger fight.

[Alientraveller]

I figured Fury was forming a team to keep the superheroes under the government's wing (Marvel's tie-in comics show he's looking for Cap and wants to recruit the Hulk to keep him far away from Ross's supersoldier scheme). That way they can strategise against future threats.

I wonder if they'll mention SHIELD the government agency is descended from previous organisations and Brotherhoods, like that ongoing comic depicting SHIELD where the likes of Leonardo da Vinci were members.

[Son of Coul]

It'd be cool to see Fury and Ross butt heads over the Hulk's status and where they feel he best be.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm happy HappyPalooza exists.

[Doctor Jones]

Watching TIH right now on FX. Man, this is a great film. I prefer IM, but I feel this is just as good. It makes me sad that Norton isn't back. But Ruffalo will make up for it.

[Rock Sexton]

Watching TIH right now on FX. Man, this is a great film. I prefer IM, but I feel this is just as good. It makes me sad that Norton isn't back. But Ruffalo will make up for it.

Sweet ..... thanks for reminding me. Going to watch it for like the 2,000th time. Can never get enough of it.

[protocida]

I think TNT Brazil is going to air it today. :up:

Which reminds me... The Abomination is still alive. I'd be OK with him returning for The Avengers.

[Moridin]

I figured Fury was forming a team to keep the superheroes under the government's wing (Marvel's tie-in comics show he's looking for Cap and wants to recruit the Hulk to keep him far away from Ross's supersoldier scheme). That way they can strategise against future threats.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty logical way to go about it. If, in the real world, you had all these superhumans emerging I couldn't see a government not trying to get some sort of leash on them, even if they weren't aware of some big threat.
Whether or not they actually go that route in the MCU...


I wonder if they'll mention SHIELD the government agency is descended from previous organisations and Brotherhoods, like that ongoing comic depicting SHIELD where the likes of Leonardo da Vinci were members.

Well Fury mentions Papa Stark was a founding member of SHEILD in IM2.

Watching TIH right now on FX. Man, this is a great film. I prefer IM, but I feel this is just as good. It makes me sad that Norton isn't back. But Ruffalo will make up for it.

I really enjoy it more each time I watch it. Pick up on more things. I think it benifits a lot from being part of the MCU.

[CoulsonFan]

I made a lengthy post over -> here (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=20201561&postcount=67) <- about Thanos and the possible future of Cosmic Stuff in the "MCU."

Thinking about smooshing Loki and the Skrulls into the same plot:
If you recall Avengers #1, Loki used his magicks to create the illusion that Hulk was attacking some dudes. Everyone showed up to hassle the Hulk, but eventually they were friends. If they decide that the Cosmic Cube was an object Odin had at some point seized from the Skrull Empire, you could have a story wherein Loki has (in one way or another) encouraged the Skrulls to invade Midgard to retrieve the Tesseract, posing as members of the Avengers in order to sow discord and weaken planetary defenses.

I hope they're wise enough not to string us through an entire act of the movie with one of the Avengers being a Skrull impostor. Everyone wants to see these guys hanging out together, not two or three of the guys hanging out with a shapeshifting fake for a good chunk of the movie. That would be really unsatisfying.

[Blader5489]

Its the same old debate, which villain can challenge and fight on a level with "8 superheroes"? There arent many villains that warrant a team superheroes to take them down, I think Thanos is one of the few. It sounds like its Loki, I still have doubts though.

No, that's not what I meant.

Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet killed half the universe. How are the Avengers supposed to defeat that?

[BigThor]

I think TNT Brazil is going to air it today. :up:

Which reminds me... The Abomination is still alive. I'd be OK with him returning for The Avengers.

I agree, I think it would be awesome, although most people on here seem to hate the idea of villains from previous movies appearing in this film.

I think I'd rather see him and other past villains in Avengers 2 though, they could serve as obstacles while Ultron connects into the worlds computer systems.

[Doctor Jones]

That's alot of money to spend on CGI. All those heroes and villains at once.

[terry78]

That fight against Kang in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, that is an example of one lone villain taking on about 7 people at once and holding his own. They basically were fighting his forces as a distraction until Pym and Stark could take him out from inside though.

[Troy_Parker]

Anybody else think that (as usual) RDJ is gonna steal the show? XD

[HighFivingMF]

Maybe have it given to him.

[WildcatNC]

I'm not so sure Tom won't steal the show or hold his own with RDJ with the early reviews for Thor.

[Sebastos]

Anybody else think that (as usual) RDJ is gonna steal the show? XD

Maybe have it given to him.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2h6axz9.gif

[Parker Wayne]

It seems like from the early reviews of Thor Chris can probably hang in there with RDJ along with possibly Chris Evans. Hell, I think Renner can do well too depending on how much Whedon gives him.

[herolee10]

Yeah, I doubt that Loki will be the ONLY villain in this film. If anything, he'll be the precursor to the even greater threat that'll be unleashed in the film imho.

As Great as Loki is in terms of being a villain, I don't think it would be the smartest of things to have Loki used as the main and only villain of a film in the scale like this; especially when he's been defeated already by Thor.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Collider: Forgot to mention, spoke with Kevin Feige (head of Marvel) today. working on transcript now. At the point where he's talking about the Helicarrier in Avengers and Sam Jackson being on the bridge.

[DocHoliday]

Saw that! Brilliant! Hurry up and post it Frosty!

[Rock Sexton]

Guys we can pretty much assume that Fury wasn't gathering heroes based on a previously known thread because of the description given ....

"When an unexpected enemy emerges that threatens global safety and security, 'Nick Fury', director of the international peacekeeping agency known as 'S.H.I.E.L.D.' finds himself in need of a team to pull the world back from the brink of disaster..."

[RealIrOnMaN]

Tom (Hiddleston), are you the main villain or are there others that you are working with?

Hiddleston: Well this is the first time I’ve had to talk about it because for so long I was asked to not say anything. You are the first to ask me, you won’t be the only one, but you are the first. Loki has big, big plans and it’s going to take more that just Thor to stop him this time.

Are those plans coming out of the ending of Thor, was that an origin movie for Loki in a way?

Hiddleston: The action of Thor is as much an origin story for Loki as it is for Thor. I think the Loki we see in The Avengers is further advanced. You have to ask yourself the question: how pleasant an experience is it disappearing into a wormhole that has been created by some kind of super nuclear explosion of his own making? So I think by the time Loki shows up in The Avengers he’s seen a few things.

Will The Avengers explain what happened to Loki in the time between the actual end of Thor and the beginning of the end credit scene?

Hiddleston: There absolutely are references to what happened to him. There are references to where he’s been, and what he’s been doing.

Have you read the entire script to The Avengers yet, and if so, what did you think?

Hiddleston: Dude it’s absolutely amazing let me just tell you. I read the script again the other day and Joss Whedon has written the most extraordinary template of a film for this to happen. I feel like he has balanced it so well. All the different elements you want from all the different colors and flavors of each character are in there. Arguably seven not just four characters are in this and I think Joss has made a virtue of that potential unbalance.

These are seven big egos, and I’m referring to the characters not the actors. They all want to be the alpha male, or in Black Widow’s case the alpha female. So he has made a virtue of that by having them all compete for the top dog slot. And while they are all fighting each other Loki can get to his business. Look it’s Hulk, Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury. What more can you ask for?

When do you begin shooting your scenes for the film?

Hiddleston: I start in about ten days. It’s already started filming. It started last Monday, April the 25th. Chris (Hemsworth) and I, as soon as Thor is up and running and out in the world, we’ll be out to New Mexico with the rest of them. I’m so excited man. I feel like I’ve built the character now, I’ve built the house and in a way doing a second film is like getting to take credit for it.

Finally, did you have any idea when you signed on to do Thor that you would also be in The Avengers as well?

Hiddleston: I knew it would be more than just Thor but I didn’t know for sure. If I had sucked in Thor then Kevin Feige would have said, “Tom thank you very much and we never want to see you again.” So in a way it’s a huge compliment and I’m very pleased to at least be asked back to the playground.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think Iron Man will steal the show. I think it will end up well rounded overall.

[Mako]

Awesome thanks for posting it.

[flickchick85]

Tom (Hiddleston), are you the main villain or are there others that you are working with?

Hiddleston: Well this is the first time I’ve had to talk about it because for so long I was asked to not say anything. You are the first to ask me, you won’t be the only one, but you are the first. Loki has big, big plans and it’s going to take more that just Thor to stop him this time.

Are those plans coming out of the ending of Thor, was that an origin movie for Loki in a way?

Hiddleston: The action of Thor is as much an origin story for Loki as it is for Thor. I think the Loki we see in The Avengers is further advanced. You have to ask yourself the question: how pleasant an experience is it disappearing into a wormhole that has been created by some kind of super nuclear explosion of his own making? So I think by the time Loki shows up in The Avengers he’s seen a few things.

Will The Avengers explain what happened to Loki in the time between the actual end of Thor and the beginning of the end credit scene?

Hiddleston: There absolutely are references to what happened to him. There are references to where he’s been, and what he’s been doing.

Have you read the entire script to The Avengers yet, and if so, what did you think?

Hiddleston: Dude it’s absolutely amazing let me just tell you. I read the script again the other day and Joss Whedon has written the most extraordinary template of a film for this to happen. I feel like he has balanced it so well. All the different elements you want from all the different colors and flavors of each character are in there. Arguably seven not just four characters are in this and I think Joss has made a virtue of that potential unbalance.

These are seven big egos, and I’m referring to the characters not the actors. They all want to be the alpha male, or in Black Widow’s case the alpha female. So he has made a virtue of that by having them all compete for the top dog slot. And while they are all fighting each other Loki can get to his business. Look it’s Hulk, Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury. What more can you ask for?

When do you begin shooting your scenes for the film?

Hiddleston: I start in about ten days. It’s already started filming. It started last Monday, April the 25th. Chris (Hemsworth) and I, as soon as Thor is up and running and out in the world, we’ll be out to New Mexico with the rest of them. I’m so excited man. I feel like I’ve built the character now, I’ve built the house and in a way doing a second film is like getting to take credit for it.

Finally, did you have any idea when you signed on to do Thor that you would also be in The Avengers as well?

Hiddleston: I knew it would be more than just Thor but I didn’t know for sure. If I had sucked in Thor then Kevin Feige would have said, “Tom thank you very much and we never want to see you again.” So in a way it’s a huge compliment and I’m very pleased to at least be asked back to the playground.
For some reason, this interview has gotten me more hyped than any of the interviews so far. Tom just seems so genuinely psyched that he got brought along for the ride.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Verily! Tis' Loki, who's gonna rock the villain house in this fantastic movie)

[Rock Sexton]

Verily! Tis' Loki, who's gonna rock the villain house in this fantastic movie)

I'm very happy with this. I haven't even seen the movie yet, but he's getting a ton of praise for the dynamic he's brought to the character. He's no "one and done" and Marvel realizes this ... a true Super-Villain.

BTW, anyone got a link to Joss Whedon's Twitter?

[RealIrOnMaN]

BTW, anyone got a link to Joss Whedon's Twitter?
I don't think he has one yet.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't think he has one yet.

Cool.

I really want to see if anyone can get even the slightest information on how Whedon is (if at all) tying TIH to The Avengers ....

[Quasimod0]

For some reason i'm really happy that hiddleston gets to play loki again on a grander scale. it seems that he really understands and enjoys the character, plus he's just such a likeable guy

[Iceman]

Love what Hiddleston's saying in that interview!

[Rock Sexton]

well we know one thing for sure and that's Bin Laden won't be turning up in The Avengers! LOL

[Son of Coul]

God, I haven't even seen Thor and I ****ing love Loki. So happy he's pulling the strings The Avengers!

[Rock Sexton]

God, I haven't even seen Thor and I ****ing love Loki. So happy he's pulling the strings The Avengers!

Even though I hate myself for watching the new Loki behind the scenes clip, he seriously is perfect for the role.

[Spidey_62]

Great interview with Tom Hiddleston, so glad he's in this movie. He's gonna knock it outta the park.

[steintym]

Awesome stuff - Thanks RIM!

[steintym]

God, I haven't even seen Thor and I ****ing love Loki. So happy he's pulling the strings The Avengers!

I'm with you - Can't wait to see Loki in action.

[shigsy2003]

Hiddleston as Loki was one of my favourite things about Thor. However one thing is annoying me:

"Loki has big, big plans".

Stop saying this and tell us what these plans are lol!!!!!

Still nothing like keeping fans dangling I guess :D

I am very happy Hiddleston gets to reprise his role:

He wasn't exactly evil in Thor, he was played more as a sympathetic villain and it worked perfectly. However after Thor he has all the motivation to be truly evil.

[herolee10]

So wait..does that really mean that Loki IS the main villain of the film or the ONLY one?

I'm so confused.lol


What's weird is that if they're not going down the whole Loki controls Hulk to create chaos like he did in the comics since we know that the Hulk is a hero in this film and not the menace, then what does Loki have in mind that would require everyone to gather together?

[Parker Wayne]

Thanks for spoiling that guys. :up:

[bored]

So wait..does that really mean that Loki IS the main villain of the film or the ONLY one?

I'm so confused.lol


What's weird is that if they're not going down the whole Loki controls Hulk to create chaos like he did in the comics since we know that the Hulk is a hero in this film and not the menace, then what does Loki have in mind that would require everyone to gather together?

It turns out he's Justin Bieber's manager.

[shigsy2003]

Thanks for spoiling that guys. :up:

:huh:

[marvel_freshman]

MASSIVE interview with Kevin Feige From Collider....http://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-thor-avengers-iron-man-3-ant-man-doctor-strange/88459/#more-88459

[JP]

If it's from Collider, then why link that site?

[marvel_freshman]

If it's from Collider, then why link that site?

Done

[CoulsonFan]

[B]MASSIVE interview with Kevin Feige From Collider....http://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-thor-avengers-iron-man-3-ant-man-doctor-strange/88459/#more-88459
Note that shooting Avengers 'till September means they can't possibly have a second film ready for Summer 2012.

If Ant-Man's next to go, it very probably follows Iron Man 3 in Summer 2013.

Feige mentioned Atlantis! That blip in the ocean on the map in Iron Man 2 indicated Namor after all. Add Sub-Mariner to the growing pile of of "stuff we might see in the next decade."

[Vartha]

[B]MASSIVE interview with Kevin Feige From Collider....http://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-thor-avengers-iron-man-3-ant-man-doctor-strange/88459/#more-88459
Nice well that answers what that mysterious object nobody could figure out.

[Wolvieboy17]

It actually doesn't.... The only thing he says is that it's not the eye of agomotto.... Nothing else he describes matches what is in that treasure room. Definitely no gauntlet, and I don't remember an empty subchamber either.

[TikkiEXX]

new pic of ScarJo looking all Black Widowish. http://cdn.superherohype.com/images/stories/scarlett-johnasson-red-hair590do050111.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree, I think it would be awesome, although most people on here seem to hate the idea of villains from previous movies appearing in this film.

I think I'd rather see him and other past villains in Avengers 2 though, they could serve as obstacles while Ultron connects into the worlds computer systems. Yeah, I agree, man.

[SuperSAINT]

Superb interview with Tom re: Avengers.

Just about to start reading the Kevin Feige interview...

[itchyscratch]

A friend posted this today ....


There have been multiple sightings of Whedon at dance clubs in downtown Albuquerque.


I'll pay good money to see a photo of Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk and Joss all dancing together around a handbag.

[BigThor]

Yeah, I agree, man.

Cool, that would be one kick ass sequel dude. :word:

[SuperSAINT]

Confirmation on helicarrier....

:woot:

[BigThor]

Yep, that's cool, but that was pretty much a given.

[PyroChamber]

A friend posted this today ....


There have been multiple sightings of Whedon at dance clubs in downtown Albuquerque.


I'll pay good money to see a photo of Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk and Joss all dancing together around a handbag.Thor and Captain America in a dance club, that would be interesting to see.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Lol, yup.

Personally, I'm looking foward to see Downey Jr. as Iron man again. Can't wait to see how his attitude pisses Cap off, lol.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjo2iWdpp1qajc4eo1_500.png

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Hmmmmm

[Dark Raven]

So does that Kevin Feige interview have spoilers about Thor or Captain America? If it does, I don't want to read it.

[Wolvieboy17]

It seems fairly innacurate to me... He mentions of bunch of things in the Asgard treasure room that aren't actually there.

[RealIrOnMaN]

It seems fairly innacurate to me... He mentions of bunch of things in the Asgard treasure room that aren't actually there.
Indeed. I saw Thor 2 times already & there wasn't any Infinity Gauntlet, I swear)

[Wolvieboy17]

Nor any swords that he mentions. And he doesn't say anything about the two, unidentified relics that are most blatantly and obviously pointed out.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Nor any swords that he mentions. And he doesn't say anything about the two, unidentified relics that are most blatantly and obviously pointed out.
Exactly! Methinks, that Kenneth made some changes inside Odin's Vault & that's why there aren't too many relics, that we know of or that we should've seen.

Then again, we still do have some of Odin's Treasures in The First Avenger, so who knows for sure)

[Wolvieboy17]

That's the other thing that confuses me... Feige talks about an empty sub chamver, where the cosmic cube is clearly missing (which isn't seen in Thor at all) but haven't we already been told that the cube is kept in a treasure vault of Odin's in Midgard?

[RealIrOnMaN]

That's the other thing that confuses me... Feige talks about an empty sub chamver, where the cosmic cube is clearly missing (which isn't seen in Thor at all) but haven't we already been told that the cube is kept in a treasure vault of Odin's in Midgard?
I hope, that all the secrets will be revealed, once we see The First Avenger movie)

[henry_9305]

Have you guys all hear about the script leaked? Looks like they need to rewrite some of the scenes.

[Wolvieboy17]

All these secrets will be revealed to you once I reclaim what is mine :P

[Son of Coul]

So Pym WAS referenced. Word, I like how Selvig is linked to some of these scientists. He could easily be the next Coulson as a kickass movie-created character that links a handful of the comics characters.

[Endeavor]

So Pym WAS referenced. Word, I like how Selvig is linked to some of these scientists. He could easily be the next Coulson as a kickass movie-created character that links a handful of the comics characters.

When who how?!

[Moridin]

When who how?!

Kevin Feige mentions it in the Collider interview on the previous page.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So Pym WAS referenced. Word, I like how Selvig is linked to some of these scientists. He could easily be the next Coulson as a kickass movie-created character that links a handful of the comics characters. The fact that he was referenced gets my blood boiling. Just imagine how awesome it would be to have him in a Avengers sequel.

[protocida]

It is there. Maybe we haven't seen it, but it is there.

[Endeavor]

Kevin Feige mentions it in the Collider interview on the previous page.

Just read the whole thing. Thanks :up:

[Troy_Parker]

Spidey, The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises.

Next year can't come soon enough. x)

[Spideyfan93]

My friends and I had a discussion on upcoming movies and they are all hyped for Spidey and Batman...but not Avengers.

I don't think it matters though because the majority of my other friends are psyched for the Marvel Movie Universe.

Actually, people I know were VERY QUICK to mention Cap before Thor...giving me the feeling Cap will do better than Thor in the long run.

PS: All of my friends aren't crazy for comics and their characters. Everyone I know could be considered a part of the general public, with the exception of a couple who know almost everything I do. That is what makes me even more optimistic.

[Pac-Master]

I'm afraid to read that Feige article...

[Wolvieboy17]

So Feige says there is a Pym reference in Thor when their isn't, and mentions things in the treasure room that aren't there... Has he not seen the film?

[Alientraveller]

Feige said they cut it for time, it was overegging the references to have Selvig mention Banner and Pym. Also, it's likely the Infinity Gauntlet was on the set, but it's just no one has seen it in the film.

[protocida]

There is a reference to Hank Pym in Thor. It was cut.

And the items of Odin's Vault are there, too. We haven't seen them, but they're there.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well what use is that having them there if they're not shown in the actual film? That means they're not there. If they are not visible in any scene, then it can't be included as a reference or as canon.

[Blader5489]

That's the other thing that confuses me... Feige talks about an empty sub chamver, where the cosmic cube is clearly missing (which isn't seen in Thor at all) but haven't we already been told that the cube is kept in a treasure vault of Odin's in Midgard?

What's confusing? The cosmic cube wasn't there in Odin's vault because Odin had hidden it on Earth.

[Wolvieboy17]

Because there is no indication of the cosmic cube missing at all.... In that scene you only see one, panning shot of 3 open chambers, each with a relic in it. There is no empty sub chamber like he mentions. And why would it be missing anyway if it's being kept somewhere else, BY Odin? It's not missing then is it? He just keeps it somewhere else? Why would you even have a shot of an empty chamber, implying something that no one knows about at that point, is missing, when in the first hour of Cap we'll find out it's actually not kept in Asgard anyway? It's just a pointless idea that isn't even in Thor.

[Blader5489]

Because there is no indication of the cosmic cube missing at all.... In that scene you only see one, panning shot of 3 open chambers, each with a relic in it. There is no empty sub chamber like he mentions. And why would it be missing anyway if it's being kept somewhere else, BY Odin? It's not missing then is it? He just keeps it somewhere else? Why would you even have a shot of an empty chamber, implying something that no one knows about at that point, is missing, when in the first hour of Cap we'll find out it's actually not kept in Asgard anyway? It's just a pointless idea that isn't even in Thor.

They do show an empty chamber, it's the one across the hall from The Warlock's Eye.

[kaijunexus]

Feige never said that missing relic was the Cosmic Cube.

[Wolvieboy17]

But that's just an archway. There's no podium or anything indicating something is missing?

[Endeavor]

He said the Pym scene wasn't cut, just that his name wasn't mentioned by Selvig. But he says there's a point where Selvig says he's going to email a friend of his and that (nameless) friend is Hank.

[Raiden]

Spidey, The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises.

Next year can't come soon enough. x)

And Superman reboot.

[protocida]

He said the Pym scene wasn't cut, just that his name wasn't mentioned by Selvig. But he says there's a point where Selvig says he's going to email a friend of his and that (nameless) friend is Hank.
The name-drop was cut.

[Chewy]

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/05/02/the-avengers-probably-not-delayed

Also, the leaked script gives almost nothing away. The Avengers is a movie that most of you could probably plot out beat for beat; Marvel isn’t throwing a bunch of surprises at us in this one (at least not until the end, but there’s a surprise at the end that I don’t think can be rewritten due to Marvel’s long-term planning).

[Quasimod0]

So the avengers isnt full of surprises?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I'm sure there are surprises. Remember though, alot of the surprises in Marvel Studio's films since 2008 have been mostly for the Avengers.

[Son of Coul]

I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't any huge surprises to be honest and I don't really mind. As long as it's fun as hell, character-driven, and all around well done I'll be content.

[Quasimod0]

as long as its as epic as the transformers 3 trailer. lol. i wanna see some crazy stuff in avengers that you cant get in another film

[Marvel]

Have you guys all hear about the script leaked? Looks like they need to rewrite some of the scenes.

I hope Marvel/Disney lawyers are tracking this down with a vengeance. Seriously, I do NOT want to know any details. Fox made an example from the guy that leaked Wolverine. I hope Disney goes after this guy and his children and his dog for tampering with intellectual properties.

[protocida]

I expect this to be The Ultimates Vol. 1 with Loki's manipulations from The Ultimates Vol. 2 spliced in.

[Son of Coul]

As long as the characterizations and dialog aren't as ****** as Ultimates then sounds ok.

[protocida]

But The Ultimates is awesome.

[Parker Wayne]

You can say as many times as you want, but it's not gonna make it true. :o

[protocida]

Or will it?

[Whiskey Tango]

But The Ultimates is awesome.

I have a few minor issues with it (mostly Millar's unnatural sounding dialogue) but I largely agree.

[HighFivingMF]

I dug Ultimates. And I usually (by which I mean, always) hate Millar's work.

[Gamma Ra]

But The Ultimates is awesome.

For what it is The Ultimates works as an else-world type of book, but there is no saving potential in a bunch or "Heroes" that are psychotic madmen, pricks and a-holes.

They disgust me. The 616verses have their faults, but they are more heroic natured, and most wish they were better.

[protocida]

That's the point. They are mostly madmen, pricks and a-holes who still manage to save the Earth.

To be fair, though, Thor is pretty chill, and Captain America is getting better. Iron Man is always a prick, and Hawkeye is the loose canon. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were pretty chill, too, and the Wasp is also cool. The only true a-hole was Hank Pym.

[marcvader]

No thanks, give me 616 characterizations. There's a reason those have lasted for almost 50 years.

[Chewy]

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were pretty chill
Incestfully chill :o

[Parker Wayne]

No thanks, give me 616 characterizations.

This. Though it was better to use Ultimate characterization for Iron Man. I'm still glad they didn't use the Ultimate costume :hehe:

[BigThor]

Yeah, I'd much rather 616 characterizations

[Jerkofwonder]

I have to ask if the people who ***** about the ultimates have ever read them? Or are you guys just addicted to hyperbole?

[Marvel]

No thanks, give me 616 characterizations. There's a reason those have lasted for almost 50 years.

Without a doubt. I HATE everything Ultimate and I do mean HATE. No need to cause a backlash in your own fan base.

[Chewy]

I have to ask if the people who ***** about the ultimates have ever read them? Or are you guys just addicted to hyperbole?
Captain America was a douchebag, Hank Pym was a sociopath, Thor was a hippie, Hulk was a cannibal and Quicksilver banged his sister. No thanks.

The Ultimates are great reads and interesting offshoots but the characterizations in this movie should not be based on them.

(And when I say The Ultimates I obviously mean only volumes 1 and 2)

[Marvel]

Spidey, The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises.

Next year can't come soon enough. x)

Don't sell 2011 short just yet.

Thor appears to be as good as we all hoped. I think First Class and Cap will be its equal at worst. That's three films that probably won't rank lower than 8/10 in most people's books. Green Lantern is the wild card this year.

Next year Avengers is the thing IMO. I honestly sense a Spider-Man 3 equivalent with TDKR. I know that puts me in the severe minority to even doubt the almighty Nolan but that's what my gut is telling me. (Note: I liked SM3 but feel it was overcrowded and not as good as the second installment... sound familiar?) Personally, I can't get excited for Amazing Spider-Man or another Superman. Can The Wolverine break though and hit next year after all?

So, even if Avengers is as great as it should be, 2011 may outclass 2012 anyway.

[marcvader]

Man of Steel needs to be included as well. Icons galore

[BigThor]

Don't sell 2011 short just yet.

Thor appears to be as good as we all hoped. I think First Class and Cap will be its equal at worst. That's three films that probably won't rank lower than 8/10 in most people's books. Green Lantern is the wild card this year.

Next year Avengers is the thing IMO. I honestly sense a Spider-Man 3 equivalent with TDKR. I know that puts me in the severe minority to even doubt the almighty Nolan but that's what my gut is telling me. (Note: I liked SM3 but feel it was overcrowded and not as good as the second installment... sound familiar?) Personally, I can't get excited for Amazing Spider-Man or another Superman. Can The Wolverine break though and hit next year after all?

So, even if Avengers is as great as it should be, 2011 may outclass 2012 anyway.

Very true :word:

[Spider-ManHero12]

No thanks, give me 616 characterizations. There's a reason those have lasted for almost 50 years. Same here, man. Don't ge me wrong, I love the fact that the Avengers film will probably have stuff from the Ultimate universe in there, but overall, I'm a 616 type of person. Spider-Man being my favorite superhero, I'm not a fan of USM.

[BigThor]

Yeah, and I prefer 616 Thor over Ultimate Thor

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ As do I. As for Spidey, I feel like they butchered his Villains in the ultimate Spider-Man series. I mean, look at Shocker. He's a petty criminal in the series. That's an insult to the character when he has caused Spidey trouble in the 616 universe. Then you have Ultimate Goblin, which is just....god have mercy, it's terrible.

[Wolvieboy17]

What I love the Ultimates for are the storylines. They really showed how you can bring these characters into the modern world. If you had the real world context and narrative style of Ultimates, but with the spirit and authentic character portrayal of 616, then I think you've got a great film recipe.

[Gamma Ra]

That's the point. They are mostly madmen, pricks and a-holes who still manage to save the Earth.

To be fair, though, Thor is pretty chill, and Captain America is getting better. Iron Man is always a prick, and Hawkeye is the loose canon. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were pretty chill, too, and the Wasp is also cool. The only true a-hole was Hank Pym.

I think the problem would be that most fans would not be able to cheer for those types of characters. The 616verse have many of the same issues that the Ultimates have, just less exaggerated, and they are still far from the ideal heroes of the DC universe.

Me being a Hulk fan realize there is no thrill in watching him trying to eat someone.

[Atomicchuck3k]

I think the problem would be that most fans would not be able to cheer for those types of characters. The 616verse have many of the same issues that the Ultimates have, just less exaggerated, and they are still far from the ideal heroes of the DC universe.

Me being a Hulk fan realize there is no thrill in watching him trying to eat someone.


I agree. :up:

[Gamma Ra]

no thanks, give me 616 characterizations. There's a reason those have lasted for almost 50 years.

exactly!!!

[marcvader]

Kids these days love their defective heroes.

[Danalys]

had anti heroes over 50 years ago. now they're trying heroes that are to anti-heroes as anti-heroes were to heroes. people believe that power corrupts so much that they forget all those who have done good with power when they deconstruct the genre. but i don't mind some ultra violent no holds barred pulp stories as long as they don't tarnish the original characters and continuity.

[Crimson King]

There was some controversy over pages of a script being leaked and that causing delays – has that impacted any of your work on “Avengers?”

No, I haven’t received any phone calls about it. My start date is still the same. I think it was a pretty old script, though. I got off the plane the other day and I found that out, but I know that script changed a lot, so it’s not the most recent version of it anyway.

Full article: 'Thor' Star Chris Hemsworth on Leaked Avengers Script (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/05/02/thor-star-chris-hemsworth-on-leaked-avengers-script-its-not-the-most-recent-version/?mod=google_news_blog)

He also discusses Thor's character progression from the solo film to Avengers.

[Whiskey Tango]

Kids these days love their defective heroes.

or maybe some of them just appreciate a different take on the same characters.

Once again, it's either/or in comic book land. You can't like both apparently, it's one or the other.

[BoredGuy]

I used to like both Ultimate and regular Marvel U

all the ultimate stories have just been crap for at least 5 years. the only one i could get into at all post ultimatum was Ultimate X, and thats taken like 2 years to get 4 damn issues.

[Moridin]

or maybe some of them just appreciate a different take on the same characters.

Once again, it's either/or in comic book land. You can't like both apparently, it's one or the other.

Some should edit a shot of Green Goblin from SM1 where he's standing on the bridge making Spidey choose between the kids & MJ, but replace the kids & MJ with 616 & Ultimates comics.

[marcvader]

or maybe some of them just appreciate a different take on the same characters.

Once again, it's either/or in comic book land. You can't like both apparently, it's one or the other.

Not really, I can appreciate some aspects of the Ultimate line I just prefer what has worked more consistently for a prolonged period of time over something that seems gimmicky. The Ultimate line was cool at first but has declined immensely and is just a caricature so to speak of what it once was.

[Endeavor]

The Ultimate line was cool at first but has declined immensely and is just a caricature so to speak of what it once was.
:up:

[Whiskey Tango]

The Ultimate line was cool at first but has declined immensely and is just a caricature so to speak of what it once was.

This I can get behind. generally when I speak favorably of the Ultimate line it's Ultimates 1 and 2 and most of Ultimate Spidey that I'm talking about.

All the cannibalistic Jeff Loeb **** is for the birds.

[Brian Braddock]

Ultimates 1 & 2 is where its at for me; makes for amazing reading but should come with a warning sticker -

'This product must only ever be viewed as an 'Elseworlds style' only deal - it is never to be regarded as canon over established 616 fare'.

[Majik1387]

Nothing in the Ultimate-verse is good. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I want some.

[captainrogers]

Ultimates Pre Loeb was entertaining. I liked the plots and scenes. I want to see Cap do some of the stuff he did in those. SEE him. I liked the visuals and the plot that caused the spectacles. But I definatley prefer the 616 characterizations. Cap IS a soldier but I don't want to see the prickish attitude that has become synonimous with ultimate cap. I let the whole "A for France" thing slide, but lately its been ridiculous.
(Sorry I singled out Cap, but that goes for the rest of the team)
My opinion.

[The Morningstar]

Millar's Ultimates was good. If you can seperate the characters you see in his story from the ones you've been reading about in the 616. I mean, I thought Ultimate Cap was hilarious. Because i can actually imagine the jingo, tea partiers and their ilk thinking he is awesome... even though it was Millar making fun of those jingo, flag waving morons.

That's what Millar should stick too really. He shouldn't write in continuity stories, he likes to play around with characterisations too much. As seen in Civil War, where it wasn't really playing around with characterisations, more like just writing characters completely out of character just to fit the story. But i digress.

His Superman: Red Son is one of my favourite Superman stories ever though.

[TheVileOne]

What's the big deal about the script leak? Script leaks are almost becoming the norm in Hollywood. Batman Begins script leaked and they changed virtually nothing.

[Wolvieboy17]

Nothing in the Ultimate-verse is good. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I want some. You must hate the movies then, as well as SM 1 and X2 considering how heavily they were influenced by them.

[protocida]

I find it funny how people instantly consider Ultimate Captain America an a**hole because of some of his attitudes in The Ultimates vol. 1, when he actually melows out with the time and becomes pretty much a hardass version of regular Captain America.

Except he is much more badass. Case in point: Riding a motorcycle out of a building onto a helicopter or impaling a villain with a time-traveling aircraft.