10-11 NBA Thread: The Final Insult

[Poeman]

Heat did a decent job containing Rose to the perimeter, but they were in return smashed by Boozer/Noah/Taj Mahal Gibson.

That matchup will be interesting though...Its like Lebron trying to guard Kobe

[Spiderine]

Didn't Lebron do this with Rondo last year? They did a decent job on Rose. They need to stay at home with Deng and Korver and put a body on Boozer and Noah to keep them from getting those easy offensive putbacks. Rose could go for 50, as long as they don't let those other Bulls beat them they can manage.

[marcvader]

Exactly^^

[Ghostvirus]

marcvader - What moron made that statement you have in your sig?

[marcvader]

Mark Twain

[ImWithTeamConan]

Didn't Lebron do this with Rondo last year? They did a decent job on Rose. They need to stay at home with Deng and Korver and put a body on Boozer and Noah to keep them from getting those easy offensive putbacks. Rose could go for 50, as long as they don't let those other Bulls beat them they can manage.

The cynic in me last year thought LeBron was doing it because Kobe took on the Westbrook challenge in last year's playoffs.

I actually think he's going to do a good job on Rose. I can see him doing what Kobe did, give Rose some space so he doesn't blow by and close out quick with his length when Rose takes a jumper.

It's the rebounding difference, that would be my concern for the Heat. In other words, Hello Jamaal Magloire!!!!

[Bob ROARman!]

Slow and bad. That's what you'll get when you activate any of their 7 footers. I don't see how you close the rebounding gap unless they sign Dwight Howard between now and tomorrow night. And yeah it sounds good with LeBron guarding Rose, but who guards Deng? Deng's three point shot has changed his offensive game. Can't leave him open in the corners anymore. He's made more 3 pointers this season than he has his previous 6 years in the league combined.

The Heat need to move the ball around, can't ISO the entire play. The problem is, eventually the ball gets moved to players that are bad at basketball. Which is just about everyone besides Bosh and Wade and LeBron.

[Darthphere]

I speak the truth...It is not **** when I see the Miami Heatles get spanked around the court by Rose and company.

It's not **** talking when you say a putback slam sent "A shiver down Lebron's spine"? Unless you know when the temperature on Lebron's spine changes. Some type of sensor, then by all means....

Refrain from your ridiculousness...You boast like a Dolphins fan proclaiming Chad Henne is the second coming.

More **** talking. No one has proclaimed Chad Henne as the second coming that was Jay Fiedler. We let you guys handle the second coming stuff with Sanchize.

Calm the hell down and agree that the Miami Heat got their asses beat in Game 1.

I already agreed they got their ass beat. And I'm calm as a cucumber. It's a great tactic, get called out on **** talking, then try to make the other guy look like a nut. I like it. Explain to me how telling me to "Appreciate the ass whooping" is not talking ****? I mean, I wasn't even remotely offended, just own up to **** talking, I do all the time. I love talking ****.

It's easy to say what I have to say because it happened...As for the Knicks which you keep bringing up...yes they are out, they gave up their whole team aside from Amare and a few scrubs to get Melo and Billups and with 25 games remaining and were thrown into the fire to gel together right away. I ain't mad, apparently you are and can't take the heat (no pun intended) of losing.

Why would I be mad that the Knicks blew up their team?:huh:

[Ghostvirus]

Mark Twain

Really? Now I wish I hadn't asked. Just lost a lot of respect for a great writer.

What book? I have only read Finn, & that was a looonnng time ago.

[Poeman]

Really? Now I wish I hadn't asked. Just lost a lot of respect for a great writer.

What book? I have only read Finn, & that was a looonnng time ago.

There may be a poster here with the name Mark Twain though

[Ghostvirus]

The cynic in me last year thought LeBron was doing it because Kobe took on the Westbrook challenge in last year's playoffs.

I actually think he's going to do a good job on Rose. I can see him doing what Kobe did, give Rose some space so he doesn't blow by and close out quick with his length when Rose takes a jumper.

It's the rebounding difference, that would be my concern for the Heat. In other words, Hello Jamaal Magloire!!!!

The only problem is Rose will just pass it off. Kobe doesn't really like doing that.

Despite what ESPN says, there are other players on the team that can score. So I don't think that approach by Lebron would work, but we will see.

[Ghostvirus]

There may be a poster here with the name Mark Twain though

LOL, didn't think of that.

[KALEL114]

That quote from his sig has been debated about for a while now. Some say it was Abraham Lincoln who said it and others say Twain. Back on topic, go Mavs.

[KALEL114]

Let's take a deep breathe guys. Keep it cool. Like Fonzi.

[Darthphere]

Are you serious? It's just a little back and forth between fans. Thanks for deleting my post 5 seconds after I posted it. 2 minutes down the drain. :rolleyes:

[Ghostvirus]

What! There was nothing that was said between those 2 that was out of line IMHO.:facepalm:

[Ghostvirus]

So I have come to the conclusion that every fanbase has its d-bags.

I started a couple months back going to a Bulls exclusive site to find some people to chat with.

Cut to yesterday when someone made the claim the Wade dissed chicago. I responded by telling that person he needs proof. He can't just make claims like that.

Cut to, a bunch of responses to links about him simply questioning the loyalty of the Bulls. Combined with snarky comments about how easy these articles were to find. So I respond saying I am so sorry I made you back up your statements.

Cut to. Now my entire fanmanship is in question. Apparently I have only been a fan since I joined the board because I wasn't so butt hurt by some pointless comments made by Wade almost a year ago.

What the hell is with some fans. Seriously, they are hardcore buzz kills.

[the Wankstar]

Nick Gilbert FTW!!!!

[Agent Z]

I have some theories, but am not totally sure why I find Hannah Storm so sinalicious. Granted, her name sounds like a porn pseudonym, but it's much more than that.

Editor's Note: Feel free to interchange "Hannah Storm" with "Suzy Kolber" freely and often. Well, except for the name thing.

[BlackLantern]

you don't talk that way about my Suzy :argh:

[Darthphere]

So I have come to the conclusion that every fanbase has its d-bags.

I started a couple months back going to a Bulls exclusive site to find some people to chat with.

Cut to yesterday when someone made the claim the Wade dissed chicago. I responded by telling that person he needs proof. He can't just make claims like that.

Cut to, a bunch of responses to links about him simply questioning the loyalty of the Bulls. Combined with snarky comments about how easy these articles were to find. So I respond saying I am so sorry I made you back up your statements.

Cut to. Now my entire fanmanship is in question. Apparently I have only been a fan since I joined the board because I wasn't so butt hurt by some pointless comments made by Wade almost a year ago.

What the hell is with some fans. Seriously, they are hardcore buzz kills.

People like that are dumb. They can't take any criticism that goes their team's way. I mean, you can have friendly banter about ass whoopings and fishing stories. They're the only "real fans" everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Ignore them and move on. It's usually a good idea to avoid team specific boards and websites.

[Agent Z]

you don't talk that way about my Suzy :argh:


:woot:

:cwink:

[BlackLantern]

Im a Knicks fan (lapsed) I can admit they are lackluster, have been for a while now....there seems to be this thing now if you second guess your team, you aren't a "real fan"

[marcvader]

Really? Now I wish I hadn't asked. Just lost a lot of respect for a great writer.

What book? I have only read Finn, & that was a looonnng time ago.

Lol. Just a random quote. I Just take at as a friendly suggestion to certain fools on these boards. :cwink:

[steintym]

Im a Knicks fan (lapsed) I can admit they are lackluster, have been for a while now....there seems to be this thing now if you second guess your team, you aren't a "real fan"

Exactly ... If you question or second guess you're team, you're not a real fan and if you support them, you have blind loyalty. Sometimes you can win with certain segments of fans.

[Anubis]

People like that are dumb. They can't take any criticism that goes their team's way. I mean, you can have friendly banter about ass whoopings and fishing stories. They're the only "real fans" everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Ignore them and move on. It's usually a good idea to avoid team specific boards and websites.

That goes for most things in general.

Take a few minutes to dip over to the Bat Boards. I'll wait...............See? Same type of A-hole, just with sports.

[Ghostvirus]

People like that are dumb. They can't take any criticism that goes their team's way. I mean, you can have friendly banter about ass whoopings and fishing stories. They're the only "real fans" everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Ignore them and move on. It's usually a good idea to avoid team specific boards and websites.

Live & learn I guess. The beauty is there isn't any language restrictions. Some people think I can get hostile on this board. Well they just don't know.:o

Congrats to the Cavs.

I was thinking do you think the 4 pick could go to Orlando with some other peeps to get D-Howard? Is this draft good enough to make that appealing to the Magic?

Loved how Gilbert put his kidd front & center. Now blind Lebron haters are going to be like, "Oh sh** he bailed on a special needs kid! That bastard!"

Well played Gilbert. Well Played.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol that number 1 pick was the clippers, clips traded the number 1 pick for mo freakin williams

[Anubis]

Who's supposed to be coming out this year that's worth the Number 1 pick?

[Ghostvirus]

Them Cips don't need No. 1 pick! They got Griffin...Griffin! Like the greated player evahh!!!

Oh wait, he is just a highlight/car commercial maker.

[Anubis]

Nah, that dude can play. First name 20, last name 10.

[Hound55]

Who's supposed to be coming out this year that's worth the Number 1 pick?
One of the best Australian born players who that Duke douche-bag Coach K managed to deprive us of...

Just one more reason for me to hate Duke... like I needed another.

[Ghostvirus]

Nah, that dude can play. First name 20, last name 10.

I know. Just goofing.

[Hound55]

Hmm, interesting.

The Clips have been trying to move Davis' nasty contract and attitude which isn't particuaarlywelcome with burgeoning young talent, and they get some decent talent at much cheaaper prices in return.

The Cavs get the number one pick and ensure 2 more years of bottom of the barrel development before Davis, Sessions and Daniel Gibson's contracts all expire, allowing them to overpay and max out a second tier talent when all the real max value guys go to other teams which aren't Cleveland and therefore aren't... well... doomed.

[Ghostvirus]

31 points in 26 minuted for Dirk.:dry:

Seriously put Durant on him. He is called Durantula for god sake! He has the jump to contest that badass fade.

[L.A.]

Who's supposed to be coming out this year that's worth the Number 1 pick?
No one...

[Hound55]

31 points in 26 minuted for Dirk.:dry:

Seriously put Durant on him. He is called Durantula for god sake! He has the jump to contest that badass fade.
He'll get faked out of his shoes...

A 6'9 guy with length and a vert has to sell himself out to try and cover that. The few times he's been his cover there's been quick fouls.

[Hound55]

And that Kidd trey is like a stomp on the nuts...

[L.A.]

lol that number 1 pick was the clippers, clips traded the number 1 pick for mo freakin williams
moo williams would be number 1 pick in this years draft?! That's how weak it is! I'm not losing any sleep on this...we have enough youth we need add vets and will be good...

[Mister J]

I was pondering to myself how could the Clippers not include Top 3 (or 5) protection on a surefire lottery pick... then it dawned on me that I had answered my own question.

Oh well, anything to get rid of Boom Dizzle's contract, I suppose. Though I will go out on a limb and say they never it broached the subject.

[L.A.]

31 points in 26 minuted for Dirk.:dry:

Seriously put Durant on him. He is called Durantula for god sake! He has the jump to contest that badass fade.
Durant never been a great defender something he needs to work on and his playmaking skills

[Ghostvirus]

If that is the case then OKC is f**ked.

Look at that Crawford calls a BS call against the Mavs! Shocker.:wow:

[Hound55]

Dirk's not a normal cover though...

But yeah, he wouldn't be able to cover him anyway as I mentioned before.

[Ghostvirus]

So Seffy ain't working. What can they do?

[Hound55]

Bugger all.

Collison and front him, there's not much they can do.

[Poeman]

Another reason why I am rooting heavily for Dirk to win the ring this year

[Hound55]

In what possible way was that an over the back on Marion...

[Ghostvirus]

Gotta say. The Mavs are the complete opposite of choke this year. All it took was kicking Sunrise out, & Cuban to shut his trapper.

[Hound55]

Gotta say. The Mavs are the complete opposite of choke this year. All it took was kicking Sunrise out, & Cuban to shut his trapper.
Or a few years of changing all the key personnel not named Dirk Nowitzki or Jason Terry...

[Anubis]

Biggest of that is bringing in Chandler. He brought some testicular fortitude to the Mavs that was sorely needed.

[Hound55]

Yup... But there's a lot of parts which were brought in who deserve credit.

Thi series is far from over though, let's be honest. Three guys (Dirk, Terry and Berea) had CAREER nights and they ony won by 9.

[Ghostvirus]

So I just saw a promo saying Containing The Heat.:whatever:

4-0 against this Heat team you complete & utter idiots at ESPN!!! 4 & f**King 0.
The Heat need to worry about containing The Bulls.

Or a few years of changing all the key personnel not named Dirk Nowitzki or Jason Terry...

I was just kidding about Sunrise. I do think that Cuban keeping is trap shut plays a bigger role than people would like to admit.

[Hound55]

Probably be a nice time for the Heat to have some kind of structured offence... you know, that can mae quite a difference when facing good defensive teams.

I don't think "containing the Bulls" is an issue... the Heat have to figure out how they're going to score on possibly the best team defence in the NBA at the moment. So "containing the Heat" IS a big issue... Because if the Heat can't find a way to score on that defence this won't last long.

[Ghostvirus]

I really hope Dallas sweeps OKC. I got a zinger post if they do.:awesome:

[LegendaryCaleb]

i got trash talked hardcore by an okc fan that i know before the game...i didnt even have to say anything back...dirk and barea responded for me

[Hound55]

And JT!

[LegendaryCaleb]

of course! JT as well!

[Hound55]

Crazy efficiency...

Between each team's marquee guy (Durant and Dirk) they put up 88 points from 33 shots from the field.

Went 22 of 33 combined from the field and shot 42 of 43 combined from the stripe...

Each guy's individual numbers were rediculous, particularly Dirk. The most amazing thing is, Ibaka played him well...

[Ghostvirus]

I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast. He had the dude from Pheonix that came out da closet.

I had this theory of why Rondo was so affected by the Perkins trade. Do you think that maybe they were um "friends" wink, wink?

Don't shoot it down too quickly just think about it. How Rondo was affected seemed much deeper than losing a teammate, or friend.

[Darthphere]

I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast. He had the dude from Pheonix that came out da closet.

I had this theory of why Rondo was so affected by the Perkins trade. Do you think that maybe they were um "friends" wink, wink?

Don't shoot it down too quickly just think about it. How Rondo was affected seemed much deeper than losing a teammate, or friend.

Nah, I just think he had a bad stretch coupled with the fact that he's really not that good. I mean, he's good but I'd like to see him on a team without 3 future HOFers on the floor.

[Duke]

Mavs won last night!!! Hoping for the sweep!!!

[Ghostvirus]

Holy sh** I never thought I would come in to this thread to seek refuge, but those Bulls fans have got me on the f**king ropes man.

They are like attack monkeys. Once you step out of line they all jump on you & there is nothing...NOTHING! You can say that isn't "f**king retarded", or the "stupidest thing I ever read", or "if you were a fan for more than 5 minutes you would know"

Christ man!

I love you guys. Seriously. I truely love you guys.

[Immortalfire]

I feel the love.

[Duke]

i got trash talked hardcore by an okc fan that i know before the game...i didnt even have to say anything back...dirk and barea responded for me





:applaud

[Anubis]

Holy sh** I never thought I would come in to this thread to seek refuge, but those Bulls fans have got me on the f**king ropes man.

They are like attack monkeys. Once you step out of line they all jump on you & there is nothing...NOTHING! You can say that isn't "f**king retarded", or the "stupidest thing I ever read", or "if you were a fan for more than 5 minutes you would know"

Christ man!

I love you guys. Seriously. I truely love you guys.



.......This is the stupidest thing I ever read. :o

[Hound55]

Here we go...

[Bob ROARman!]

Holy ****. LeBron bricks the dunk and Deng...wow.

[Hound55]

Bulls are making a killing just on reacting to poor Heat rotation...

The most amazing thing is they could have even more points, Noah's been wide open and ignored in the paint a couple of times early in this thing.

Penetrate-kick-extra pass - rinse - repeat...

[Hound55]

Holy ****. LeBron bricks the dunk and Deng...wow.
Been a few times this playoffs that teams have just neglected to stop the ball first in transition and quicker 3s have punished teams for it.

Durant's dunk out of nothing with 4 Mavs back yesterday and Deng's there.

I bet Shawn Marion is wishing he had it this easy in the playoffs in his prime... :oldrazz:

[Bob ROARman!]

Yeah allowing Deng to do that is one thing, but Noah just went coast to coast. Noah. He outran damn near everyone on the Heat.

[Bob ROARman!]

DENG! LoL

[Hound55]

Well... That was the quarter of Deng...

[Hound55]

Spoelstra: "Anyone that's not in foul trouble right now"

Recommendation: Take more bigs...

And say what you will about Bron, but he's all that's keeing this Heat team alive right now...

[Ghostvirus]

.......This is the stupidest thing I ever read. :o

Grrrr....:cmad:

I decided to bail on that place. I realy didn't want to. I wanted to continue fighting, but it would severly diminish my enjoyment of the Bulls great run, so why put my self through that?

Anywho.

Loved the Quote from Spo.:up:

[Hound55]

A lot of soft touch fouls getting called this game.

Ca't help but laugh everytime they cut to a close up of Spoelstra and his look of complete disbelief... This is what you created, you lost little boy.

[Ghostvirus]

Spo knows that if he loses to bad. He is out.

[Hound55]

Turning into a good game.

Rose is getting into it now but then so is Wade...

[steintym]

Bulls are doing a lot of the same things they did Sunday night ... Now it would be nice if they would hit some shots. Shooting is horrible for the Bulls.

[steintym]

Man, Rose can't hit layups now. He needs to get hot soon.

[Poeman]

Bulls need some offense

[blksuperman2]

I think if the Heat get production out of Haslem they'll be alright in this series. He was such a huge part of their success in '06.

[Punisher_MAX]

if Haslem can do this every game the Bulls are in trouble, he is one of the reasons we won in 06.

[Ghostvirus]

Perfect end to a perfect f**king day.:whatever:

[Duke]

Heat= Arrogance!

[Mister J]

I've never been so happy to see UD in my ****ing life.

Of course, Spo had to run him into the damn ground, so he couldn't finish the game, but whatever.

Now, if we can get Mike Miller a pair of healthy thumbs from somewhere before Sunday.

[Punisher_MAX]

I've never been so happy to see UD in my ****ing life.

Of course, Spo had to run him into the damn ground, so he couldn't finish the game, but whatever.

Now, if we can get Mike Miller a pair of healthy thumbs from somewhere before Sunday.

if UD shows up again in game 3 and we get better production from the bench then we can take this 3-1 by winning at home.

[Darthphere]

I've never been so happy to see UD in my ****ing life.

Of course, Spo had to run him into the damn ground, so he couldn't finish the game, but whatever.

Now, if we can get Mike Miller a pair of healthy thumbs from somewhere before Sunday.

It's official, I'm starting a band called "Mike Miller's Thumbs".

[Raiden]

Bulls could be in trouble now, and they must take at least one game in Miami, otherwise it could get ugly really fast.

[Ghostvirus]

So I was laying in bed trying to sleep pissed about the loss, pissed about being called 500 hundred kinds of stupid by people I thought were going to be my brethren.

Then it hit me. I am going to post my epiphany in the next few days. It might be long I don't know, but this whole situation with that Bulls fan board has entirely changed my perception on how I view the game.

Good win by the Heat. Hopefully the Bulls can rally back on Sunday.

[Anubis]

Dude, it's just f**king Basketball.

[blksuperman2]

I think the Bulls will bounce back just fine. The Heat aren't especially good @ home.

[Punisher_MAX]

I think the Bulls will bounce back just fine. The Heat aren't especially good @ home.

they are undefeated at home in the playoffs...

[blksuperman2]

they are undefeated at home in the playoffs...

Yeah I know, I'm just tryin' to give Bulls fans some hope. Ghostvirus appeared to need some talking away from the ledge. lol.

[marcvader]

PMAX, where have you been? How are you liking the developments thus far? If we can play with that kind of energy the rest of the way and execute our defense like last night at home, I'm feeling real good. Hate these long breaks between games.

[Mister J]

It sucks from a fan standpoint, but that extra rest is the best possible thing for UD right now (even Miller, to a degree). It allows more practice to continue getting a rhythm back and to get better integrated into rotations on both sides of the court.

It also allows time for Riles to drop off some Cliff Notes on coaching. ****ing Spoelstra.

[Hound55]

Missed the whole second half...

[Mister J]

Then you missed a special engagement of Spo Cinema. It was a double feature. 'How Many Errors Can a Coach Make In a Critical Game and Get Bailed Out By Players Talent?' followed by 'Why Worry About Offense When There's Defense To Be Played?'.

Of course, hearing Thibodeaux carp about Chicago's defensive failings in the postgame, when his team shot sub 40% and scored 75 points, made me think he caught the back end of the feature.

All in all, it was epic. I cursed. I drank. I cursed some more. I exhaled. I give it two Mike Miller thumb braces up. :up: :up:

[the Wankstar]

Theres been a lot of games won away this playoffs so i wouldnt really be worried for the Bulls.

[Hound55]

Do you think he might take a third guy who could fill the five spot next game..? Or will he try and make do with Joel Anthony and Jameer Magoire and b**** and moan about foul trouble?

If I'm taking Joel Anthony, I'm taking two other 5 options as par for the course...

From what I saw of the first half both team's defence spurs their offense on anyway... so defense NEEDS to be there for Thibs... Kickstarts transition and keeps the scoreboard ticking along.

Their offense in the first half was almost entirely reactionary, either from transition kickstarted by forced turnovers or from making the extra pass and taking advantage of the Heat's poor rotation.

[Mister J]

You would think that at some point, it'd dawn on him to have at least one of the two centers that have started about 90% of the game available for duty, instead of being decked out in sportcoats, but apparently I'm blind to the majesty of being able to call Juwan Howard into the game... in 2011.

Offense is definitely at a premium with two defenses this good, but Miami hasn't done itself any favors. Both teams have looked to push it out on the break after a turnover or quick stop, but when that's broken down (or you just have to get into a set), Chicago has employed some semblance of a structure predicated on triggers or otherwise looking to cause a reaction, while Miami has reverted back to the ever-population Isopalooza. At least, in the 4th they got back to some pick and pop action, which Haslem should really help out for the remainder.

I still can't figure out why they're choosing to go teeth first into the defense without having a safety valve of sorts in a spot up 3. Near every Heat shot from distance is a last second rush job or pull up; nothing in rhythm. There isn't a defense in all of creation that load up on stopping Wade and James penetration and blanket the arc at the same time. Hell, the two strategies are somewhat similar and the Bulls are getting several looks. Then again, they move the ball before 10 seconds left on the shotclock.

[Hound55]

Ah Juwan Howard... Even in his prime he was mediocre, bound to the fact that he's doomed to tweenerdom and the defensive issues that come with that.

I must say I enjoyed the lost child close-ups on Spo through the first half...

[the Wankstar]

Ah Juwan Howard... Even in his prime he was mediocre, bound to the fact that he's doomed to tweenerdom and the defensive issues that come with that.

I must say I enjoyed the lost child close-ups on Spo through the first half...

I lol'd everytime they showed those. I was hoping for a shot where theyd zoom out and youd see Riley standing over him with his hands on his hips staring down at Spo like some angry good

[Hound55]

Watching the replay now, just showed Deng s***ing all over Magloire with the fast break poster after Lebron's botched 'oop...

[Hound55]

Geez, Bosh really did have a god awful first half didn't he...

[Raiden]

`Bulls desperately need a #2 option because Rose can't keep bailing the team out on offense all the time, and Boozer isn't the answer.

[Darthphere]

But they have Taj Gibson...

[Hound55]

I'd say Deng is their 2 option more than Boozer.

Far more glaring flaws with Miami that I'm seeing, even as they take the lead.

If Bibby can't shoot a lick they might as well rotate him out and give Eddie House a crack at the point, God knows he can't defend. He becomes little more than a safe set of hands and nothing else out there.

I don't think I've ever seen as active, yet ineffectual player as Joel Anthony. He looks like he has a lot of energy, but he's weak inside and gets worked off rebounds by a slight breeze, let alone any kind of physical presence, he runs around on the perimeter on offense giving hand offs and setting picks (the picks are probably the most effetive thing he does) and defensively runs out there on picks trying to show his energy with the "show" but never effects the ball handler enough to be doing more than just missing his own man which opens up the big roller every single time.

Is it that Spo buys into him having energy, because he runs around... literally like an idiot, because his god awful efforts on the show seems to display a lack of understanding in his role with pick and roll defense. This is really quite baffling that he got more than 20 minutes while Magloire got less than 5...

[Poeman]

Rose looked tired...Could be Thibbo is working these guys hard at practice...They were so off in the 4th quarter

[Darthphere]

Spo loves energy guys, and Anthony brings that. He's there to get loose balls, some boards and block some shots. So yeah, he may seem ineffective but he's doing what he's been told to do.

[Darthphere]

Rose looked tired...Could be Thibbo is working these guys hard at practice...They were so off in the 4th quarter

Yeah people want to give the Heat's defense credit but to me watching the game it seemed more like a case of bad offense from the Bulls.

Notice how the last points of the game for the Bulls came from a Taj Gibson jumper where he tried to fire up the crowd. All he did was fire up Lebron to close out the game.

[Hound55]

No one who played more than 7 minuts, at ANY position, got less rebounds than him. He gets bodied out constantly, he's not a good rebounder.

And I doubt he's being told to guard pick and rolls incorrectly or Spo's an even bigger idiot than I already think he is.

[Darthphere]

No one who played more than 7 minuts, at ANY position, got less rebounds than him. He gets bodied out constantly, he's not a good rebounder.

And I doubt he's being told to guard pick and rolls incorrectly or Spo's an even bigger idiot than I already think he is.

I mean, the Heat won by 10 with the highly ineffective Joel Anthony on the floor. What exactly is your point? I mean, he's not an elite player at all. He's out there to clog up the lane, get some blocks and grab some boards. You can't look at stats when it comes to Joel Anthony, he's not that type of player.

[Hound55]

I'm not looking at stats. I'm looking at what he does. Which was incorrectly guarding the pick-n-roll, getting shoved around like he was made of paper on the glass and getting told where to go by Chris Bosh because he was frequently lost or out of position.

He sets ok picks, although sometimes in odd places which serve no benefit and if you take physicality out of the eequation he's a good weak side shot-blocker.


He's like an even dumber, broke man's Sam Dalembert with less athleticism who tries to involve himself in everything.

[Darthphere]

I'm not looking at stats. I'm looking at what he does. Which was incorrectly guarding the pick-n-roll, getting shoved around like he was made of paper on the glass and getting told where to go by Chris Bosh because he was frequently lost or out of position.

He sets ok picks, although sometimes in odd places which serve no benefit and if you take physicality out of the eequation he's a good weak side shot-blocker.


He's like an even dumber, broke man's Sam Dalembert with less athleticism who tries to involve himself in everything.

I'll call Pat Riley up and tell him to put you on the staff to teach everyone how to properly guard a pick and roll.

[Hound55]

Back to my point...

If Spo' took more 5 options or made better use of them he probably wouldn't have had to run Haslem into the ground when he's coming back (where he went with Bosh at 5 and Haslem at 4). Haslem was clearly pretty stuffed by the time he came out. Magloire's better at clogging the paint and getting rebounds (had the same amount in less than 5 minutes compared with Anthony's over 20) and has some measure of physicality for clogging the paint. Magloire himself probably shouldn't be getting a ton of minutes himself either, because he's not seen a whole lot of burn throughout the year.

Just because you can sort of get away with playing Anthony against Noah, doesn't mean it's the best idea to feed him 20+ minutes in games...

[Hound55]

I'll call Pat Riley up and tell him to put you on the staff to teach everyone how to properly guard a pick and roll.
I don't know that everyone needs it...

Perhaps we can find Joel Anthony a tutor or get him in some remedial classes in the off-season...

[Darthphere]

I don't know that everyone needs it...

Perhaps we can find Joel Anthony a tutor or get him in some remedial classes in the off-season...

Assign some summer reading.

[Hound55]

Assign some summer reading.
OK... We'll start him off on Larry Brown's brother Herb's book to straighten up that pick-n-roll D:
http://www.tradebit.com/usr/ebook-reader/pub/9002/07319780071460521585Pic.jpg


Then we need to bulk him up a bit, so he stops getting knocked out of position all the time...

http://images.borders.com.au/images/bau/97807360/9780736058032/180/0/plain/essentials-of-strength-training-and-conditioning.jpg

Then we'll give him some work on his hands...

http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/383467-L.jpg


Then, so other don't have to keep pushing and pointing and (occasionally shoving) him to different spots on the floor:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L-Ymsdm1uS4/TRBfGk_t_jI/AAAAAAAAAKY/JGzPZugPOvE/s1600/BookCo+Road+Atlas.png

Finally, an all encompassing...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ueN6nRIJL.jpg

[Mister J]

I swear, this started out as a two line chime-in. In short, this matchup isn't the most favorable for Joel, unlike the last two series, and it's showing.
The Bulls' continued slaughter on the offensive glass is largely due to Miami just being out of position, trying to recover from constantly overhelping on Chicago's ball movement. That's heightened when Joel is in. He's not a good rebounder, routinely gets shoved out of position when battling down low, causes far more defensive rotations than needed because he's being told to run around the court like a headless chicken and it causes a certain amount of chaos. It has its benefits, but relying on that the entire game is asking for problems; at least it is when athleticism can't compensate for the ground given up pressuring the ball.

Game 2 was looking like an exact replay of Game 1 on the glass until Haslem came in and started putting a body on people and shutting that **** down on the offensive boards. I don't think I've ever seen someone as at boxing out as Joel. His energy is great; the shotblocking is OK (mostly overrated because he's just further taking himself out of position going after everything; he has to run around and track the ball, instead of just waiting for someone to bring it to the lane and swatting it), but he just shouldn't be heavily relied on at C here. When Magloire was Big Cat'ting his way in the paint, you could see a difference. Counting on comparable size to space things out, establish more a presence and taking the giving guys a rest from the constant rapid-fire rotations isn't a bad thing. Even if it causes a different defensive approach for a moment. You can still show on the pick and roll, but you don't need to try to chase the PG to the 3 pt line and then shuttle run back to cover the paint.

It's not a coincidence that before last night, the only game where Miami even came close to Chicago's rebound total was the one where Joel didn't play a second. Even taking into account last night where the Heat actually had the higher rebound total, Joel had nothing to do with it... at all... unless you count forcing the perimeter guys to be more aggressive in cleaning the defensive glass (which they're certainly capable of doing, but that issue should be more of a bonus instead of a forced necessity). Situational player. He's being overextended here.

The stats aren't going to fully tell his story, but he was clearly more effective against Philly and Boston than he's been over the last two games. Looking at the personnel difference, it's not surprising. Of course, part of that may be due to him admittedly not feeling as comfortable starting as coming off the bench, where he says he has a chance to see how the game is going and prepare, but Spo can't be bothered with trivialities like that.

It's funny. Noah actually is better than the player Spo thinks Joel is, yet he has no problem trotting him out there repeatedly against the man, seeing what the results are. They're actually charged with a number of the same duties, but the realities as worlds apart. Actually, that's not funny at all. Why is Erick Dampier in a suit while Juwan Howard has a uniform on?

On a side note, I'd love nothing more than if Joel came out in Games 3 and 4 and completely destroyed every point I just made. :o

[Hound55]

There's a lot of guys I can think of with reputations as poor rebounders over the years (Amare, Clifford Robinson) who are considerably more valuable on the glass than he is... That's what surprised me so much about saying he's there to get some boards, and he gets manhandled to easily for clog the lane to be much of a valid reson as well.

From what I can gather he's an energy big who's there to stir sh** up... but I can't recall one with as little talent or physicality getting the kind of mintes he gets... ever... at any level; NBA, college, NBL, International, hell district...

And if he's going to get involved in being that hustle energy guy and pressuring the ballhandler on the pick-n-roll on the show he has to do more to effect the ball handler, he has to get him to turn. That's wht his first goal out there should be if he's out there doing that... not to make a half arsed show which succeeds at nothing other than taking him out of position and opening up his own man inside.

It's like Spo' wants to reward him for effort and energy... but in the post season and in meaningful minutes. It's absurd.

[Ghostvirus]

Dude, it's just f**king Basketball.

Exactly.

Dealing with them cats was like looking in a mirror. All the wasted hate for a player I will never know or meet. All the wasted energy talking smack for a team that doesn't even know I exist. It is pointless to get so riled up. I am over it. I don't want to be like those guys anymore.

I love that Dallas is playing tonight. Don't know why such the long gaps, but oh well.

Here is something interesting the Thunder could try. Put Robinson on Dirk. At best would be fun to watch.:awesome:

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah people want to give the Heat's defense credit but to me watching the game it seemed more like a case of bad offense from the Bulls.

Notice how the last points of the game for the Bulls came from a Taj Gibson jumper where he tried to fire up the crowd. All he did was fire up Lebron to close out the game.

Yeah, the Bulls shot poorly & still only lost by 10. I feel good about that.

I still wish they had won both home games. Them going to Miami means this series could be out of there hands by the time they get back home.

Then again I heard that when the Bulls were down 19-11 in game one. The fans were booing. So much for home court.:whatever:

[Darthphere]

Yeah, the Bulls shot poorly & still only lost by 10. I feel good about that.

I still wish they had won both home games. Them going to Miami means this series could be out of there hands by the time they get back home.

Then again I heard that when the Bulls were down 19-11 in game one. The fans were booing. So much for home court.:whatever:

Hey, at least your fans know what time the game starts.:o

[Ghostvirus]

Lol, what?

[Darthphere]

I'm getting kind of tired of seeing a half empty arena until the end of the 1st quarter.

[Ghostvirus]

Oh, well I am sure there will be some read mixed in with that white come sunday.

I have been posting game results on facebook. Now my family who live in South Florida are talking sh** to me. My Aunt who is 70 suddenly cares about the Heat she is posted smack on my wall. WTF!

[Darthphere]

That's why I don't friend family members on facebook.

[Poeman]

I'm getting kind of tired of seeing a half empty arena until the end of the 1st quarter.

It annoys me alot...Especially watching the damn Marlins and Dolphins sometimes,those seats stand out...But Marlins have no one going to the games and as a franchise they have done well compared to others.

The Heat fall into the same category and even though there is Air Conditioning in the damn the buildings, fans storm so late to games :doh:

[Darthphere]

It annoys me alot...Especially watching the damn Marlins and Dolphins sometimes,those seats stand out...But Marlins have no one going to the games and as a franchise they have done well compared to others.

The Heat fall into the same category and even though there is Air Conditioning in the damn the buildings, fans storm so late to games :doh:

Yeah, they show up, but I mean you're honestly not that busy that you can't make an 8PM tip.

The Marlins thing is just a travesty, considering were having a pretty good season so far too.

[marcvader]

It is what it is. South Florida is an apathetic laid back **** hole. Everyone is late to everything down here

[BlackLantern]

It annoys me alot...Especially watching the damn Marlins and Dolphins sometimes,those seats stand out...But Marlins have no one going to the games and as a franchise they have done well compared to others.

The Heat fall into the same category and even though there is Air Conditioning in the damn the buildings, fans storm so late to games :doh:

and half of them are on their phones till halftime....I don't even live down there and it angers me

I feel bad for the proper sports fans out there

[Dr. Evil]

Am I the only one expecting a rematch of the 2006 Finals with the same outcome?

[Darthphere]

I expect a rematch but I think Dallas would destroy the Heat IMO, unless they find their choke again.

[Ghostvirus]

Looks like Kidd is being re-introduced to the world again.:up:

[Immortalfire]

Dude, Ghostvirus..where is your stylin' Bulls signature?

[Doomed_hero]

i find it funny, while not a dallas fan that at the beginning of the playoffs everyone thought they were going to be upset and loose in the first round and now all I see and hear is that Dirk is one of the top 10 players of all time and the mavs are the best team.

[Ghostvirus]

Dude, Ghostvirus..where is your stylin' Bulls signature?

I am going to re-up it with out the whole target thing before next game. Was going to change it up, but I couldn't think of any thing.

[Ghostvirus]

i find it funny, while not a dallas fan that at the beginning of the playoffs everyone thought they were going to be upset and loose in the first round and now all I see and hear is that Dirk is one of the top 10 players of all time and the mavs are the best team.

I was going to mention that as well. Before the playoffs the only time ESPN would speak of Dirk it was negative. Now he is once again the greatest thing ever.:whatever:

Which right now he is. I am just pretty sure he is always this good. ESPN just chose to ignore him because he didn't suit their narrative.

I still prefer Kidd over him, simply because I have a PG fetish.

[Hound55]

I hope Stojakovic will pay for Hayood's abortion, seems the least he can do considering he just let him get raped by Durant up there...

[BlackLantern]

I like Dirk...but there is something missing IMO

[Hound55]

I was going to mention that as well. Before the playoffs the only time ESPN would speak of Dirk it was negative. Now he is once again the greatest thing ever.:whatever:

Which right now he is. I am just pretty sure he is always this good. ESPN just chose to ignore him because he didn't suit their narrative.

I still prefer Kidd over him, simply because I have a PG fetish.
Game one was one of the best, most unstoppable individual performances (from only 15 shots) that I have ever seen.

No. He doesn't always play like that. NOBODY could always play like that.

Shooters are going to be streakier than most, just on general principle.

[Ghostvirus]

What do you all think of Kareem crying about not having a statue. I think it is a little self serving. At the same time he does deserve one.

[BlackLantern]

its crying....and a-hole crying like that

be humble douchebag, and youll get a trophy....act like a jerk and you end up like Chris Carter

[Hound55]

A lot of players deserve one. He should be happy with his role in Flying High! (Airplane!) and shut the f*** up...

[Hound55]

On Collison:

"You don't get any better on the defensive end...:

...err... what?

Is Bill Walton commentating games again or is wildly inaccurate hyperbole just back in vogue?

[Ghostvirus]

Got a good game going on in Dallas!

[Darthphere]

What do you all think of Kareem crying about not having a statue. I think it is a little self serving. At the same time he does deserve one.

The thing is, he comes off like a whiny *****. I do think it's ridiculous that Chick Hearn has one and Kareem doesn't. But it's obvious that this is about more than just a statue. On Mike and Mike he said it was a lot of little things. He feels disrespected in the organization. I think the major point is he feels the Lakers never did enough to help him along as a coach, which he wanted to do.

[Mister J]

Impressive that Durant and Westbrook weren't the ones doing the damage in the 4th. You could expect Harden to bring it, but Maynor was a little out of the blue, as was Westbrook riding pine.

[the Wankstar]

James Hardens beard has all your answers

[Hound55]

Really? Peja? Peja's the guy you draw that play up for? Dude hasn't been relevant in the better half of a decade...

And it wasn't really executed well either... Would have been better off having Terry roll off and jack it himself (but it's not his attitude) after it was taking so long. Must have been damn close to a 5 second violation.

[Ghostvirus]

The best thing about 300 is all the epic beards that have popped up since.:up:

The thing is, he comes off like a whiny *****. I do think it's ridiculous that Chick Hearn has one and Kareem doesn't. But it's obvious that this is about more than just a statue. On Mike and Mike he said it was a lot of little things. He feels disrespected in the organization. I think the major point is he feels the Lakers never did enough to help him along as a coach, which he wanted to do.

I think the Bucks should erect a statue & use his original name just to be a d**k.

[the Wankstar]

Im torn about whether i like that Durant poster more than Taj's poster from game 1

[Ghostvirus]

Taj, because it was an actual dunk. Durant just threw the ball into the basket. Which I know is kind of a dunk, but you know what I mean...I hope.

[Hound55]

Really? Peja? Peja's the guy you draw that play up for? Dude hasn't been relevant in the better half of a decade...

And it wasn't really executed well either... Would have been better off having Terry roll off and jack it himself (but it's not his attitude) after it was taking so long. Must have been damn close to a 5 second violation.
I'll just add that it hurts me to say this too, because personally... I think Rick Carlisle is the best coach in th NBA.

[Punisher_MAX]

It is what it is. South Florida is an apathetic laid back **** hole. Everyone is late to everything down here

****in cuban time...


Am I the only one expecting a rematch of the 2006 Finals with the same outcome?

same here...if the Heat can get through the Bulls, who i think are better than the Mavs or OKC, It will be Miami's title to lose.

[the Wankstar]

Taj, because it was an actual dunk. Durant just threw the ball into the basket. Which I know is kind of a dunk, but you know what I mean...I hope.

You must not like half of Griffins dunks then

[Darthphere]

It is what it is. South Florida is an apathetic laid back **** hole. Everyone is late to everything down here

I really don't understand what it is about this place that makes people this way. This is how it's with my friends:

"Hey I'll pick you at 7!"

They show up at 7:45.

"Yo the movie starts at 6:30"

We show up at 6:40, miss the trailers, they don't understand the trailers are the best part.

"Hey the Marlins game starts at 7:05!"

They decide to stay in the parking lot and drink til the start of the 4th inning.

Frustrating as **** living with other Miamians.

[Hound55]

Tell 'em you'll pick 'em up/it starts earlier.

[Darthphere]

Tell 'em you'll pick 'em up/it starts earlier.

If I pick them up, I have to wait around for their asses. YOU CAN NEVER WIN!:csad::csad::csad:

[Hound55]

Plan C: Keep chloroform, rope and some smellin' rags in your car...

[Hound55]

I'm laughing at ESPN blowing up this Westbrook thing...

Personally I thought Durant's post-game interview was spot on... The bench was getting the job done, I don't know about anyone else but I'm not bringing guys off when they're getting the job done and don't seem worn or anything.

I've little doubt that Scott Brooks would have put him back in the game if either of those two things were going differently. You don't just sub in a guy just because he's a high profile player. Subbing for no reason is stupid. The guy you're putting in has to find the tempo of the game again and there's no guarantee that he will. Yes there's a chace that the new guy might inject new energy into the game, but the Thunder didn't need that. They needed to close it out, play it safe. No reason to bring out the guys who are doing the job, Maynor was still looking fresh.

[the Wankstar]

I'm laughing at ESPN blowing up this Westbrook thing...

Personally I thought Durant's post-game interview was spot on... The bench was getting the job done, I don't know about anyone else but I'm not bringing guys off when they're getting the job done and don't seem worn or anything.



Crap like this is why i cant take ESPN seriously...Stupid media ruining everything again

[Ghostvirus]

You must not like half of Griffins dunks then

Well if it comes down to a dunk that was thrown in, or one that was slammed in, then yeah I guess. I have seen Griffin do some pretty hard dunks though.

And yes ESPN is a joke. You could almost predict what the next day's stories are going to be after the game. It is pathetic. All the good analysts working for ESPN do podcasts. I like Ryan Rizzilo, & Bill Simm simply because they ask a lot of logical, & tough questions.

I was surprised at how long they kept the camera on Westbrook when he was throwing a fit. I would have thought after the Kobe incident Stern would have put a stop to that. He really should, because it became pretty obvious that they were just lingering on Westbrook hoping he would say something wrong so they could use it the next day.

[the Wankstar]

ESPN the sports news isnt interesting enough so lets make crap up. OOhhh whats that Westbrook looking a lil Kobe down there on the bench.

Game 3 story prediction rumors will fly that Dirk has been fathering an estranged son for 10 years:whatever::whatever::whatever:

Announcers are terrible too. Hubie Brown is the only one i can listen too and i dont even think hes a part of ESPN

[Raiden]

What do you all think of Kareem crying about not having a statue. I think it is a little self serving. At the same time he does deserve one.

I think Kareem deserves a statue, but he comes off as very self-serving and selfish by whining about it to the press. Yes, he was an important part of that Showtime Lakers team in the 80s, but due to his aloof and unapproachable personality, he was never as popular as Magic Johnson, who received his statue first. Aside from Magic, they have Jerry West (who has waited much longer than Kareem), and Chick Hearn, whose contribution is probably biggest than any Laker. So I don't understand the beef that Kareem has, nor his allegation about being slighted because he didn't receive the playoff bonus like other full-time assistant coaches have. It'd be a shame if his relationship with the Lakers organization becomes irrepairable after this, though. I also think he may be doing this to promote his latest movie, although it's strange what he's willing to do to make a few extra bucks.

[Punisher_MAX]

I really don't understand what it is about this place that makes people this way. This is how it's with my friends:

"Hey I'll pick you at 7!"

They show up at 7:45.

"Yo the movie starts at 6:30"

We show up at 6:40, miss the trailers, they don't understand the trailers are the best part.

"Hey the Marlins game starts at 7:05!"

They decide to stay in the parking lot and drink til the start of the 4th inning.

Frustrating as **** living with other Miamians.

this is so spot on its scary :wow:

[Darthphere]

It's our way of life. Our sad and miserable way of life.

[BlackLantern]

If I pick them up, I have to wait around for their asses. YOU CAN NEVER WIN!:csad::csad::csad:

Ive left people.....a group of us were going to Shea a few years ago, was one of the rare 3 or 4 oclock games, so we were gonna leave early around 11/12 ish....we all agree we'll leave at 12 the latest....so 3 of the 4 people going are there (im driving) and we're missing one....call his cell, VM...call the house no answer...we gave him till 12:20ish.....so we all leave

at 1:00 he calls us, gives some bs excuse about his phone and oversleeping and asks us to come back, after weve already been driving for 40 minutes

we did not go back

[Mister J]

So, The Logo is moving into a front office gig with the Warriors.

[Hound55]

So, The Logo is moving into a front office gig with the Warriors.
So... Stephen Curry to the Lakers for a half eaten bag of Skittles by July... :oldrazz:

[BlackLantern]

yes

[Darthphere]

Ive left people.....a group of us were going to Shea a few years ago, was one of the rare 3 or 4 oclock games, so we were gonna leave early around 11/12 ish....we all agree we'll leave at 12 the latest....so 3 of the 4 people going are there (im driving) and we're missing one....call his cell, VM...call the house no answer...we gave him till 12:20ish.....so we all leave

at 1:00 he calls us, gives some bs excuse about his phone and oversleeping and asks us to come back, after weve already been driving for 40 minutes

we did not go back

Eh, you had backup then. My friends would tell me I'm being an ******* and whats the big deal if we're a little late.

Honestly, I've had blow ups over this stuff with them. It's not about being late, it's the principle. It's not too much to expect that if someone says to be there at a certain time, that they be there at that time. Or not having to walk into an already dark movie theater while the 20th Century Fox music is playing. Or actually show up to the game and watch the whole thing from beginning to end.:cmad::cmad::cmad:

[Hound55]

Are your friends women or something... Geez...

[Darthphere]

Are your friends women or something... Geez...

Actually...yes they are.

[Anubis]

Well, there you go.

[Ghostvirus]

So Brown is interested in the Lakers gig. LOL, have fun with that one.

Scott has got to be loseing his mind right now. He so wanted that Lakers job. I feel so bad for him.

[Darthphere]

I'm assuming you're talking about Mike Brown and Byron Scott.

Byron Scott was dumb for taking the Cleveland job, knowing damn well Phil was probably going to retire or move on.

[the Wankstar]

Dan Gilberts checks still clear so no it wasnt dumb on Scotts part

[Darthphere]

That's ridiculous.

[the Wankstar]

How is it ridiculous? If Scott somehow got the Lakers job they werent gonna pay him more than Gilbert. Besides hes happy in Cleveland now anyways

[Darthphere]

How is it ridiculous? If Scott somehow got the Lakers job they werent gonna pay him more than Gilbert. Besides hes happy in Cleveland now anyways

Yes, he's happy that he's going to be coaching a .500 team at best when he could have landed his dream job, coaching the Lakers for all their faults will be in the playoffs next year. It's not always about the money.

And no one is happy in Cleveland. Lebron left, Drew Carey left, the Browns left.

[the Wankstar]

Never said it was all about the money. If he wouldve wanted the job that badly he wouldve waited but he didnt. As someone who lives near Cleveland and gets to hear Scott a lot on the radio and tv i can tell you he is happy.

Also plenty of people in Cleveland are happy despite whatever the national opinion is of people who live nowhere near it

[Darthphere]

Of course you said it was all about the money. You didn't say those exact words but that's what you were saying. You were the one that brought up the paychecks.

And what exactly do you expect him to say in on the radio "Yeah man it ****ing sucks here."?

[the Wankstar]

Nope and nope.

Scott has said many times he was excited to be in Cleveland with or without Lebron because its a great organization lead by a great owner. He turned the Nets and the Hornets into playoff teams and now hes gonna do the same with the Cavs.

[JaD]

Have any of you guys seen the new commercial of Blake Griffin trying to get a spot in the new FPS game RAGE? It's probably one of the funniest commercials I've seen in a while. He's a natural. :funny:weRWrfH17v8&feature=player_embedded Dear Blake Griffin, keep making commercials. Tiger Jump!

[Cmill216]

Nope and nope.

Scott has said many times he was excited to be in Cleveland with or without Lebron because its a great organization lead by a great owner. He turned the Nets and the Hornets into playoff teams and now hes gonna do the same with the Cavs.

How is it a great organization? They've never won a championship. Their all-time winning percentage is under .500. I can understand if you're passionate about your team and that's how you feel, but I don't see anything that can be labeled "great" about the Cleveland Cavaliers as a franchise.

I'm not trying to be jerk, but when coaches talk about jobs being "a great opportunity", all they're really saying is, "They're paying me. So I'm happy to be here."

If the Cavs never won the 2003 Lottery, they would be completely and utterly irrelevant. Think about it. The only reason we even bring them up now is because they're still riding the emotional coattails of The Decision.

[Hound55]

Just picturing Byron Scott letting out this loud, comically long sigh over the radio...

[steintym]

The Cavs have more memorial disappointments than victories. James leaving was just the latest kick to the junk.

[Immortalfire]

Nope and nope.

Scott has said many times he was excited to be in Cleveland with or without Lebron because its a great organization lead by a great owner. He turned the Nets and the Hornets into playoff teams and now hes gonna do the same with the Cavs.

:huh::huh::huh:

:huh::huh::huh:

[Anubis]

HvSjiq1pLVY

[BlackLantern]

Byron Scott did NOT go to Cleveland to coach a bunch of ****ing nobodies...I don't know what Dan Giblert said or promised, maybe he convinced him that Lebron was staying...but its pretty evident, if anyone watched any Cavs game this year that Byron Scott is on auto pilot....he's gonna do his 2 or 3 seasons and bounce out of there

[Ghostvirus]

Somebody seriously needs to sit Westbrook down & explain to him that he has one the best scorers in the game on his team.

[BlackLantern]

Dirk showed up late, but he showed up

[Duke]

Barring a disaster, it looks like the Mavs are gonna win.

[Hound55]

Gah! Forgot it was on today...

Well, looks like I'll be watching it tonight after work then...

[Duke]

Cha-Ching!!! MAVS WIN!!!

[Anubis]

Somebody seriously needs to sit Westbrook down & explain to him that he has one the best scorers in the game on his team.


Maybe they should move him over to the 2 and let Harden run the point?

[the Wankstar]

The Cavs have more memorial disappointments than victories. James leaving was just the latest kick to the junk.

Yeh i know i live here.

Organization means more then just the teams record. Theyve done nothing but improve since Gilbert bought the team. Im talking management, coaching and front office

Also for Darth by your logic if Byron isnt happy in Cleveland and didnt take the job for money then why did he take the job???

Thunder i am disappoint

[Darthphere]

Yeh i know i live here.

Organization means more then just the teams record. Theyve done nothing but improve since Gilbert bought the team. Im talking management, coaching and front office

Also for Darth by your logic if Byron isnt happy in Cleveland and didnt take the job for money then why did he take the job???

Thunder i am disappoint

Well that's irrelevant, because I'm not the one that said he took the job for money, that was you. I don't really have to explain myself but....

He took a gamble on Lebron staying and he lost. Now he's coaching....well I have no ****ing clue who plays for the Cavs now. All he had to do was wait a season and take over for Phil. He took a gamble over a sure thing and he ended up losing.

EDIT: Also on the organizational stand point, Dan Gilbert took over the Cavs in 2005, two years after drafting Lebron. Giving him credit for the team improving is a fallacy. Notice what happened the year Lebron left, they're in the lottery. The truth is, "the organization" under Dan Gilbert never got Lebron that #2 guy that would propel them to a Championship. They reached the Finals that one year sure, but honestly if "the organization" actually was any good they would have surrounded Lebron with some actual players and not mother lovers like Delonte West.

[Anubis]

I don't think it was a sure thing he was gonna get the Lakers job anyway.

[Darthphere]

I don't think it was a sure thing he was gonna get the Lakers job anyway.

It was 70-30 in his favor over 50-50 on Lebron staying. He had better odds of getting the Lakers job than Lebron staying in Cleveland. I mean for God's sake, Brian Shaw was one of the frontrunners for that position a year ago.

[the Wankstar]

Its not irrelevant if youre gonna argue with me over it.

Also by your odds your theory makes no sense wait a year and most likely get my dream job or screw it ill just go with the Cavs

[Anubis]

That's what I think he did.

Gotta earn the money to keep his vintage sock collection going.

[LegendaryCaleb]

just got back from the watch party at the AAC...that place is annoying...they kept talking over the game to get us fired up and kept having raffles...I just wanna watch the dang game on the big screen in the front row!!!

But good win by the Mavs :)

[Mister J]

I don't think it was a sure thing he was gonna get the Lakers job anyway.
Not a sure thing (though I thought B. Shaw had it locked up), but if there's remotely interested in Mike Brown, Byron had to be strongly in the mix.

I mean, Mike Brown.

[Ghostvirus]

Maybe they should move him over to the 2 and let Harden run the point?

That is something I never understood. Why the Sixers didn't try that with Iverson as well is beyond me. There isn't that much of a difference between PG & SG. Just move them over & get a passing PG.

I guess I am missing something.

[L.A.]

Maybe they should move him over to the 2 and let Harden run the point?
nah Start maynor over Thabo and move WB to SG but i just dont know if Russel will be affective without the ball

[the Wankstar]

The only problem with starting Harden is that would pretty much kill most of their offensive boost from the bench

[Darthphere]

Its not irrelevant if youre gonna argue with me over it.

Also by your odds your theory makes no sense wait a year and most likely get my dream job or screw it ill just go with the Cavs

He also had the option of staying at ESPN for another year. So no, it wasn't Cavs or bust as you want to put it.

[the Wankstar]

That just makes him not waiting even worse then

[Darthphere]

Byron Scott and Mike Brown pretty much just traded places. Scott is coaching the Cavs now and Brown is on ESPN.

[Ghostvirus]

Game 3 tonight boys & girls.:up:

[Hound55]

That is something I never understood. Why the Sixers didn't try that with Iverson as well is beyond me. There isn't that much of a difference between PG & SG. Just move them over & get a passing PG.

I guess I am missing something.
You are missing something.

You're missing Eric Snow, because that's exactly what they did...

In Eric Snow they had a big passing point guard who could guard the bigger 2s that AI wouldn't have had a prayer against...

[Hound55]

Boozer woke up on the right side of the cash-stuffed mattress this morning...

[steintym]

This one can still go either way obviously, but I don't have a good feeling about the Bulls chances right now. They seem to be struggling with everything.

[Hound55]

Anyone want to get a hand out at Chris Bosh..?

No? OK...

[Darthphere]

Raise your hand if you're shocked Joel Anthony caught that bullet pass from Lebron.

[Hound55]

*Raised hand*

[Ghostvirus]

Congratulations to the Heat on another win.:up:

[JaD]

Congratulations to the Heat on another win.:up::applaud :up:

And wow, I had no idea that that was the Bulls first 2 game losing streak since February :wow: That's freakin' nuts. They've been playing that damn good that long? I remember them kicking ass after All Star break but damn.

[Raiden]

Bulls are in seriously trouble, but NBA is a star-driven league and in the post-season, star players usually shine. Unfortunately, Boozer doesn't play like a star player, so they need Rose to carry the load everyday but he cannot do it. If Bulls don't win game 4 then they're finished.

[MoPlaYa]

Bulls need a SG bad!!! I still have faith in the Bulls.... If the Bulls lose the series to the Heat, I dont see the Heat being able to beat the Mavs.

[Poeman]

Dirk for Chip.

It's the right bandwagon to join this year

[Darthphere]

There's only room for one bandwagon!

[the Wankstar]

Dirk for Chip.

It's the right bandwagon to join this year

:up:

[terry78]

Bulls are in seriously trouble, but NBA is a star-driven league and in the post-season, star players usually shine. Unfortunately, Boozer doesn't play like a star player, so they need Rose to carry the load everyday but he cannot do it. If Bulls don't win game 4 then they're finished.

Boozer is the odd man out in that whole area. Noah, Rose, and Deng more than pull their weight. I don't know what the hell is up with him though.

[Duke]

Damn!! I was so disappointed with the Bulls losing last night.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Miami beats Dallas in 6. :o

[Punisher_MAX]

Miami's D will stop Dallas dead. its gonna be a repeat of 06 all over again.

[Hound55]

Boozer is the odd man out in that whole area. Noah, Rose, and Deng more than pull their weight. I don't know what the hell is up with him though.
Well, he did last game...

[BlackLantern]

something is up with Dirk tonight.....in a good way I think

I have a hunch

[Hound55]

Tempo's killing Dallas at this point, this is one of the reasons trying to start Perkins on Chandler makes sense despite the advantage in quickness that Chndler possesses... Trying to lull Dallas into plying at a tempo which favours the Thunder.

Not that Dallas playing out of control is what built this lead but the pressure built from this start combined with Dallas' personnel and Kidd's default mindset... I could see this turning to an up-tempo game and if that happens I coud see the Thunder rolling them.

[ComicChick]

my Thunder need to pull it together

Last night they were down 19-40 at one point and lost by only a few. I'd be worried if I was Dallas. They're having a hard time closing out games

[Hound55]

Peja, it's not 2001, it's 2011. Nice work with the little floater but settle down now, buddy...

[LegendaryCaleb]

Bad defense but way to hang in there dallas

[the Wankstar]

something is up with Dirk tonight.....in a good way I think

I have a hunch

Captain Obvious Hunch

[Hound55]

Not as much as the guy on ESPN who said Kevin Durant would explode...

DeShawn Stevenson is the closest to being able to defend him out there... He's destroyed Marion...

[steintym]

Disappointing game by the Bulls last night.

1) Rose was not good and really hasn't been the last two games, especially in the 4th.
2) I have never seen a team miss so many baskets at the rim. So many missed layups and putbacks.
3) Defense looks nothing like it has for much of the season and playoffs. It has been decent, but Bosh has been getting way too many easy baskets.

[the Wankstar]

Not as much as the guy on ESPN who said Kevin Durant would explode...

DeShawn Stevenson is the closest to being able to defend him out there... He's destroyed Marion...

Yeh i chuckled when his BOLD statement was about Durant going off

My BOLD prediction for tonights game....itll be played with a basketball!!!

[the Wankstar]

That Griffin Rage commercial is pretty hilarious....

Its the only argument i need shawn!!! isnt getting old anytime soon either

[Hound55]

Mavs last offence:
Terry, there's a three *defense recovers* nope *swings to Kidd*, there's a three *hears footsteps* nope, *upfakes defender out of position* there's a three *defender recovers* nope, *gives it to Stojakovic* there's a three *defender gets out on Stojakovic* nope, *gives it back to kidd* there's a three, *defense steps out on Kidd* nope, *Stojakovic curls around a pick to open up again in the corner, Kidd hits him wide open* there's a three! Hoists it...

Shot bricks...

Tyson Chandler tips it in and gets fouled for a three point play...

[Hound55]

I don't think that should have been a flagrant on Brendan Haywood there...

[Spider-Fan]

Wow...this is a great game!

[Ziggyman]

Should have been 1.1s on the clock...!

[LegendaryCaleb]

amazing defense by marion...extremely risky...go mavs!

[the Wankstar]

I fear for the Thunder without the power of the Beard

[John McGuirk]

Jason Kidd is the most intelligent player right now. EVERY OTHER NBA player would have fired up some stupid half-court shot, but he knows there's one TO left and calls it to set-up a final shot. Smart stuff.

[Hound55]

I don't know if that's WHY he is (I think most woud have called time out there) the most intelligent player, but I agree that he is.

Physically, he shouldn't even be in the NBA anymore if you look at how he was when he came in the NBA and subtracted the physical attributes he's lost through aging and injuries.

It's the acknowledgment of the need to develop that shot, the knowledge of when and where to use the shot he has and just the mind for the game that he has in general which is keeping him in the league now.

He's a 6'4 point guard whose lightning quick speed is gone, his lateral quickness has been gone for over 5 years, ad came into the NBA with no shot at all.

[LegendaryCaleb]

omg we just did it!

[Raiden]

Put a fork in the Thunder; they are done for.

I think we'll get a repeat of the 2006 NBA Final now between Heat and Mavs, because I think Bulls' chances are dim in their own series as well.