Wonder why Iron Man did not know of the Threat when Destoryer came to Earth ??

[Midguard777]

We know that Shield was investigating the Cosmic events taking place above New Mexico. We know form Watching the Iron Man Movies that Tony Stark is protecting the entire world flying all around crushing Terriost networks and rouge regimes. Why then would Tony set out the Destoryer confrontation unless Loki never intended for anyone to know the Destoryer was on Earth, He was sent only to Destory Thor which he does and in effect allows Thor to once again regain his power.

I think on reflecting back on the film, that it would have been more effective if Nick Fury had went to Mexico and wittness to Apperance of Thor instead of his agent Sidekick. I want more Sam Jackson in the Marvel Films.

other than that I thought Thor as Amazing and the best Marvel Film to date.

[The Morningstar]

At the time of the Destroyer attack Tony was busy creating his new element and getting back on the wagon, so to speak.

The Destroyer attack probably happens the day of the attack on the Stark Expo.

[kedrell]

And the Destroyer was on earth all of about 15 minutes.

[JerseyJoker]

Its like asking why didn't Iron Man show up to help out Hulk vs. Abomination.

[kedrell]

Both would've had the same reason. By the time he heard about it and got there, the fights would've been over.

[Raiden]

Budget reason.

[DACrowe]

Indeed. Iron Man is partying in Cali in these films, so he would only learn of these things on the news after they happen states away. Especially Abomination on another coast. Now, if you pretend that took place in the comic world (or pretend the Raimi or Webb films were part part of MCU) the question arises why Spidey wouldn't know about Abomination? Or Fantastic Four? The problem with the MCU's continuity is that most of them live in NYC, so when someone is fighting a villain and doing massive property destruction and tearing apart Harlem (or a moving train, or a bridge ;) ), why do the other heroes never seem to show up?

The answer? Don't think too hard about the continuity.

[kedrell]

That's one thing they're changing in the MCU as opposed to the comic book universe that I really like. They're spreading them out.

[Rock Sexton]

We know that Shield was investigating the Cosmic events taking place above New Mexico. We know form Watching the Iron Man Movies that Tony Stark is protecting the entire world flying all around crushing Terriost networks and rouge regimes. Why then would Tony set out the Destoryer confrontation unless Loki never intended for anyone to know the Destoryer was on Earth, He was sent only to Destory Thor which he does and in effect allows Thor to once again regain his power.

I think on reflecting back on the film, that it would have been more effective if Nick Fury had went to Mexico and wittness to Apperance of Thor inside of his agent Sidekick. I want more Sam Jackson in the Marvel Films.

other than that I thought Thor as Amazing and the best Marvel Film to date.

To prevent Tony from getting pummeled.

[Vartha]

Well wasn't Tony busy time line wise, when Destroyer fell to Earth?

[Rock Sexton]

Well wasn't Tony busy time line wise, when Destroyer fell to Earth?

Yup. Feige has discussed the MCU timeline I'm pretty sure to make sense of questions like the OP presented.

[Scandalous]

Agent Coulson tells Tony specifically as he's leaving: "I've got something going on in New Mexico." The events that follow transpire at the same time as the events in the last 3rd of IM2.

Earth's a big place. Lots of stuff going on...

[the dmg]

With many events in MU happening around the same time frame, it's more than likely Stark was dealing either with Whiplash or the Avengers Initiative.

[Alientraveller]

According to this estimate, http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/2011/05/02/a-marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline/, the Destroyer attacked on May 19, 2010, and Tony had plenty of time to help out, the briefing at the end of IM2 happened two days later.

And the Destroyer was on earth all of about 15 minutes.

And this.

[Midguard777]

We see Nick Fury telling Tony that he is troubled by events in New Mexico and that his eyes has to be in other places besides what Stark industries is upto then at the end of Iron Man 2 we see Thors Hammer.

I took that to mean that the events in Thor take place shortly after those in Iron Man 2 ended, Therefore Tony would have the new element well in place by the time Loki sends the Destroyer to New Mexico. And all of sudden Tony would see on Fox News that a little town in New Mexico is getting Nuked by a alien robot. That is a fight that one would think he could not refuse. of Course Tony would not know anything about the anicent Norse Warriors from another realm who was the Villians real target.

I am just saying that the film might have really be on another level if they had used a cameo of Ironman coming to Thors assistance instead of the Warriors Three.

They would have had to get Robert Downey Jr to film a few lines and have Ironman show up and get toasted by the Destoryer, it would have been nice to see Asgardian tech being so much more Advanced to Stark Tech. It also would have been the 1st real Superhero teamup leading us into the Avengers, there is no indication that we see the Warriors three again until Thor 2 which is not even on the schedule at this point.

You would think that Loki would have prevented Thors Allies the Warriors three from coming to Earth in the 1st place.

Think of Thors telling Iron Man that we work for the same cause, Protection of this realm instead of the Agent guy.......(not that the way it played was not good it was but how are the sheild agents there going to explain to Nick Fury that they just ran into Thor A warrior from the Viking days..????

[Rock Sexton]

We see Nick Fury telling Tony that he is troubled by events in New Mexico and that his eyes has to be in other places besides what Stark industries is upto then at the end of Iron Man 2 we see Thors Hammer.

I took that to mean that the events in Thor take place shortly after those in Iron Man 2 ended, Therefore Tony would have the new element well in place by the time Loki sends the Destroyer to New Mexico. And all of sudden Tony would see on Fox News that a little town in New Mexico is getting Nuked by a alien robot. That is a fight that one would think he could not refuse. of Course Tony would not know anything about the anicent Norse Warriors from another realm who was the Villians real target.

I am just saying that the film might have really be on another level if they had used a cameo of Ironman coming to Thors assistance instead of the Warriors Three.

They would have had to get Robert Downey Jr to film a few lines and have Ironman show up and get toasted by the Destoryer, it would have been nice to see Asgardian tech being so much more Advanced to Stark Tech. It also would have been the 1st real Superhero teamup leading us into the Avengers, there is no indication that we see the Warriors three again until Thor 2 which is not even on the schedule at this point.

You would think that Loki would have prevented Thors Allies the Warriors three from coming to Earth in the 1st place.

Think of Thors telling Iron Man that we work for the same cause, Protection of this realm instead of the Agent guy.......(not that the way it played was not good it was but how are the sheild agents there going to explain to Nick Fury that they just ran into Thor A warrior from the Viking days..????


No.

Iron Man appearing in Thor to help fight The Destroyer would've been awful for the movie - we're getting that kind of thing in The Avengers.

Secondly, Tony had already broken Fury's request one time about leaving the house and Widow warned him not to do it again. He was busy putting his element together, not watching Fox News.

[the dmg]

We see Nick Fury telling Tony that he is troubled by events in New Mexico and that his eyes has to be in other places besides what Stark industries is upto then at the end of Iron Man 2 we see Thors Hammer.

I took that to mean that the events in Thor take place shortly after those in Iron Man 2 ended, Therefore Tony would have the new element well in place by the time Loki sends the Destroyer to New Mexico. And all of sudden Tony would see on Fox News that a little town in New Mexico is getting Nuked by a alien robot. That is a fight that one would think he could not refuse. of Course Tony would not know anything about the anicent Norse Warriors from another realm who was the Villians real target.
SHIELD kind of took over the town by the end of the film, so I could see no news being on TV.
I am just saying that the film might have really be on another level if they had used a cameo of Ironman coming to Thors assistance instead of the Warriors Three.That would just diminish the impact of Thor by having Ironman try to protect the town as opposed to his friends. It also would change the end of the movie, as Thor would not have found out about Loki's deceit.
[/quote]They would have had to get Robert Downey Jr to film a few lines and have Ironman show up and get toasted by the Destoryer, it would have been nice to see Asgardian tech being so much more Advanced to Stark Tech. It also would have been the 1st real Superhero teamup leading us into the Avengers, there is no indication that we see the Warriors three again until Thor 2 which is not even on the schedule at this point.[/quote]
That would just waste the sight of seeing them together in Avengers, IMO.
You would think that Loki would have prevented Thors Allies the Warriors three from coming to Earth in the 1st place.How could he have known that they would defy him? He didn't realize they left until they were already transported.
Think of Thors telling Iron Man that we work for the same cause, Protection of this realm instead of the Agent guy.......(not that the way it played was not good it was but how are the sheild agents there going to explain to Nick Fury that they just ran into Thor A warrior from the Viking days..????Fury already knows about the hammer, he knows about the Cosmic Cube, he's seen Ironman and Hulk, I think it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for him to think that another realm exists.

[Midguard777]

You are right, I forgot about Widow warning him to leave for any reason. Prehaps I am just over zealous to see a real Marvel Teamup.

Black Widow and War Machine in Ironman was nice but it left me craving more.

Thor and the Warriors Three together was Amazing and it has left me wondering how it will be when Thor confronts the other heros like Ironman and Cap America and then we all know it is coming Thor meets the Hulk....Nuff said.

I am also trying to figure out Shield and their role, because you would think Nick Fury would come out of the Shadows for something like Thor not send his sidekick to check it out.

[demitri_vampiro]

it takes time for news reporters to be on the scene. then tony needs to see it first. i recon he is not spending all of his time infront of tv watching news and even when he would see it on the news it takes some time to get there.
destroyer was on earth for 20 minutes or so.

[Midguard777]

But Tony could break the Sound Barrier three times over in his Flight suit, and New Mexico is not that far aways form California.....Just saying.

Prehaps he was still on lockdown by Nick Fury putting the element together and that may also explain why Fury was not personal involued with the Thor apperance in New Mexico.

I do need to Watch Thor again I have only seen it one time since release and was blowed away, nx time I will pay more attention to the lines between the characters and not get so caught up in the CGI.

[R_Hythlodeus]

According to the timeline posted in the Avengers forum the Destroyer came to eart 3 days after the final battle in IM2. I guess Tony was still exhausted...

[DACrowe]

No.

Iron Man appearing in Thor to help fight The Destroyer would've been awful for the movie - we're getting that kind of thing in The Avengers.

Secondly, Tony had already broken Fury's request one time about leaving the house and Widow warned him not to do it again. He was busy putting his element together, not watching Fox News.

Yeah....I hear he watches MSNBC anyway. :funny: (actually him being a neocon kind of makes sense)

But seriously, even he saw it on the news it would have been after Thor destroyed the robot and the threat would be neutralized, so there's no reason for him to show up in NM (though he may have after Thor already returned to Asgard).

Again, it's something you don't need to think about too hard.

[Iron_Stark]

According to the timeline posted in the Avengers forum the Destroyer came to eart 3 days after the final battle in IM2. I guess Tony was still exhausted...

If that's the correct timeline, then he would've just gotten together with Pepper and would've been "busy" for a few days.

[Midguard777]

So we have Tony appearing at the end of Hulk, We have Nick Fury appearing at the end of Iron Man 1, We have Thors hammer at the end of IM 2. and we have Loki and Nick Fury at the end of Thor..............It looks as if we will be getting some Marvel Artifact at the end of each film going forward leading into the next one.

[Lord]

Iron Man didn't help because the destroyer stayed on earth for only 15 mins, not enough time for news to travel

[bullets]

Sensible but there's no answer. Iron Man was never intended to be in this movie. You could say he had a bad case of indigestion.

[Drizzle]

Iron Man didn't help because the destroyer stayed on earth for only 15 mins, not enough time for news to travel
Exactly. Even if SHIELD had called on Tony for help (which would have been unlikely, as at that point Fury only wanted to keep him as an advisor), he still would have arrived long after Thor defeated Destroyer.

[misjuevos]

the one thing you may forget is that its shield. a super high level secret agency. if they decided to put a blackout on the events happening then nothing would get out about it. so obviously stark would never know whats happening. thor takes place in a podunk little town that they could easily keep on lockdown. selvin may have sent an email, but im sure it got intercepted and was destroyed or read at the least. so shield kept the matter very quite.

and yea the destoyer fight did only happen in a very brief amount of time, so tony would never hear about it till after the fact, so in avengers or cap there might be a reference to it. like a news report that happens the day after. it wouldn't make the news that fast especially since shield was there to keep the media out. there will probably be a coverup story for the news. like a military exercise or something that went awry.

also stark was sent to talk to ross so im guessing he was busy with the hulk situation, and was never told about new mexico situation.

[Spider-Vader]

I don't think the Destroyer battle in Thor would of gotten on the news as fast as say Hulk vs Abomination. The town in Thor seems to be pretty small, so I doubt reporters could get to the area until after the battle.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well during the movie Shield were re-routing flights over the area, so I doubt any news Helicopters would have gotten in to show it.

Also, if it during the events of IM2, Tony was on lock-down, if it was just after, Iron Man's suit was wrecked at the end of IM2, maybe he hadnt built a new one yet.

[moe]

sheesh... these movies are not going to be pitch perfect... the comics dance around so much crap to keep it sane... the movies are going to be off on some things.. you can't help it... most of the other characters would be redundant in a continuity with Thor...

[ciscostudent561]

I was shocked that SHEILD was so... helpless in the situation.

[SuperFerret]

I was shocked that SHEILD was so... helpless in the situation.

Gigantic steel golem that shoots powerful energy out of its face.

Government agents with black suits and normal guns.






Damn, that ant farm was so helpless when I knocked it over. I wonder why?

[ciscostudent561]

Gigantic steel golem that shoots powerful energy out of its face.

Government agents with black suits and normal guns.






Damn, that ant farm was so helpless when I knocked it over. I wonder why?
Aren't they supposed to have a battle ship in the sky sorta thing? Advanced technologies?... afterall they do possess the cube. I'm not saying they shoulda beat the thing... but at least have some sort of fighting chance or diversion by the time the thing was about to annihilate the city. Not that I care... I loved the movie and the scene, I was just saying that if people are gonna beg for iron man to help out... shouldn't SHIELD have been more competent? :-P :cwink:. You make a valid point though

[Microchip]

I don't think they have a battleship in the sky in the movies yet, and they don't seem to fully understand how to use the cube, hence the final post-credits scene.

I think it's more curious he didn't show during the Hulk fight, but again that one only lasted about 15 minutes as well, and in Iron Man 2 we see that he's at SHIELD during or directly after the first Hulk attack.

[SuperFerret]

He's a busy man.

[irapogi]

guys, for all we know, the post credits scene in IM2 happened IMMEDIATELY after coulson left. meaning thor could've coincided with the last 1/3rd of Iron man 2.

[Anubis]

He couldn't have gotten there in time anyway. He's not Superman.

[Bubonic]

What Marvel is doing already is quite ambitious but they have their limitations. When you watch IM2 it feels like Iron Man is the first and only super powered being and he singlehandedly polices the world.
That rubbed me the wrong way because it made the MCU feel limited.

[herolee10]

What Marvel is doing already is quite ambitious but they have their limitations. When you watch IM2 it feels like Iron Man is the first and only super powered being and he singlehandedly polices the world.
That rubbed me the wrong way because it made the MCU feel limited.


Well the message that I got from IM2 was that he was basically someone who helped keep the peace when it came to international/terrorism threats.

Plus, when you think about it, he was basically the only known Avenger to be active at the time.

1. Captain America was still Frozen

2. Thor had not arrived on Earth Yet

3. The Hulk was still on the run and considered a menace

4. War Machine didn't exist yet

5. Black Widow and Hawkeye are SHIELD agents, so you don't see them actively patrolling the streets or something.

[Anubis]

Yeah, he's pretty much the only active superhero at that time.

[WolfCypher]

So much overthinking...

Iron Man wasn't needed for the film. It was Thor's movie. Just as the Hulk films and the Iron Man films were theirs, and no other heroes appeared until after the credits if even that. And getting & paying for RDJr to appear in a couple of scenes would be unnecessary. And if Iron Man and Thor did meet up here, it would totally lessen the impact when they all meet up in Avengers. We'll get to see all the heroes together proper with the Avengers.

/Buzz Kill

[Anubis]

Yeah, it was a silly question with an obvious answer anyway.

[Microchip]

So much overthinking...

Iron Man wasn't needed for the film. It was Thor's movie. Just as the Hulk films and the Iron Man films were theirs, and no other heroes appeared until after the credits if even that. And getting & paying for RDJr to appear in a couple of scenes would be unnecessary. And if Iron Man and Thor did meet up here, it would totally lessen the impact when they all meet up in Avengers. We'll get to see all the heroes together proper with the Avengers.

/Buzz Kill
Lol. "Why does Odin banish Thor?" "Because that's what it says he does in the script!!" We're just having fun speculating on where Stark would be in the MCU while these other happenings are going down. Sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way.

[The Morningstar]

It seems Thor's arrival on Earth happens around the time Stark is trying to create the new element.

Hulks rampage also seems to happen towards the end of IM2 also.

[Adamantium Man]

In my head canon, there's a scene where Iron Man touches down in the town half an hour after the final scene in "Thor", looks around, mutters, "Guess this party's over" and flies away again.

@WolfCypher, in Sherlock Holmes fandom this is called "playing the game". The fans pretend that Watson was real and the stories were really written by him and not by Arthur Conan Doyle, and then they try to make sense of the timeline. It's been keeping them busy literally for 130 years.

So, playing the game, I posit that Tony learned of the happenings in "Thor" via his network of satellites and just didn't make it in time to be caught on camera. :D

[ciscostudent561]

Stupid question.

Are the xmen included in the mcu arc?

[C. Lee]

In the movie...as in the Marvel comics....every superhero in the world does not turn up at every strange event that happens. The Destroyer showed up on Earth for a short time...and then was gone.

[C. Lee]

Are the xmen included in the mcu arc?

Nope. The Xmen are currently under contract to FOX studios...and they want to do thier own thing with them.

[Vartha]

Kind of relieved too, Logun would have probably shown up in Cap.

[C. Lee]

Kind of relieved too, Logun would have probably shown up in Cap.

That's in a sequel where they flashback to Cap and him on a mission during WWII.

[Vartha]

lol yeah probably won't happen anytime soon.

[ciscostudent561]

Nope. The Xmen are currently under contract to FOX studios...and they want to do thier own thing with them.

Good, lol I never believed avengers and xmen logically fit in the same world.

[Bubonic]

I'm sure if Marvel Studios had a go with the X-Men we'd all embraced the idea... But what they are doing is already difficult enough. Let's just hope that it all pays off next summer.

[piccolo]

Because it wasn't in the script.

itsamovie/10

[BigThor]

I'm sure if Marvel Studios had a go with the X-Men we'd all embraced the idea... But what they are doing is already difficult enough. Let's just hope that it all pays off next summer.

Heck yeah :woot: