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[Tony Stark]

He wasn't directly at fault...

I get that, it was an accident. To me there was no betrayal between Charles and Mystique that would cause her to want to kill him in X1. Perhaps that will be told in a later sequel.

[Blackman]

Shaw was more focused on his plan of starting a nuke war. He probably though his cronies could handle them seeing as last time they were not so great against him

I don't think Shaw versus the X-Men single handed would of been that exciting to be honest. He would basically just absorb eveything they tossed at him and release it against them.

Plus Magneto wanted the final kill I don't think he would of let Banshee, Havok and Beast help him as he was out to straight murder Shaw

But when he realizes his cronies fail, he gets his hands dirty.

I think Shaw vs X-Men wouldve been great. Yeah he can absorb the energy thrown by them, but I think that wouldve made for great team work. They realize "Wow our strategy isnt working. What can we do as a team to stop him?"

But you do have a point about Magneto getting the kill

[kedrell]

i think if someone had the ability to manipulate metal they could potentially crush diamonds with a soft metal substance by the amount of pressure applied


I think the diamond would have won out over the metal.

[pdrumans]

Just saw it and even though I saw all the clips before seeing it, I still felt that there was so much more to the movie than the clips. Color me impressed. I personally like it better than the previous X-Men movies.

[chaseter]

I was wondering how Erik was able to still harm Emma when she was in her diamond form. I thought she'd be impervious to his power in that form, or at least impervious to him harming her.

Diamonds can crack and break. If you are rich, take a nice diamond and smash it with a rock and see what happens.:awesome:

Diamonds are the hardest natural substance known and cannot be scratched by anything other than another diamond. However, they are not impervious and will crack or chip under the right circumstances.

Although diamonds are the hardest known substance, they will break along their edges. Diamond jewelry should not be worn in any situation where it might receive sharp blows.

[chaseter]

I get that, but what I didn't get is Mags was responsible for nearly killing and paralyzing her brother, and she just walks off? Also it felt a little empty they left on good terms because she tries to kill him in X1

She does not try to kill him in X1. If she wanted to kill him he would be dead.

She walks off because she wants to and Charles tells her to. It's like a lion living with a human family. Sooner or later they get too big and they want to go be lions in the wild. She even mentioned it herself as being a pet that got too big.

Some of you even watch this movie????:huh:

[Stringer]

And clearly Magneto's tutelage was better for her than the Professor X's.

[jacobed]

My only complaints for this movie is way too many subtitles especially in the beginning, kudos for using the actual language but it just bothered me and i didnt like how Beast looked when he first appeared but every other scene with him looked great.

[chamber-music]

I knew someone would complain about the subtitles :woot:

I think it was to appeal to a international audience.

[SuperSoldier985]

Ya know, I also thought the crushing of Emma's neck with the bedpost did seem a bit weird, but in retrospect, I suppose it's possible. Emma might be able to deflect bullets and be invulnerable to high physical damage, but crushing pressure with that kind of considerable force would be able to eventually make any substance reach a breaking point. I mean, if someone dropped an asteroid 100m in diameter on Emma Frost while she's in diamond form, I would be surprised if she survived without some kind of injury, pain, or fatigue.

[JP]

Well, Frost is actually cubic zirconia. Lying *****.

[SuperSoldier985]

Just saw it and even though I saw all the clips before seeing it, I still felt that there was so much more to the movie than the clips..
Yep, that's usually how it works.

[SuperSoldier985]

BTW, how cool was it that this movie was taking place EVERYWHERE?

There were soo many locations and soo many settings and places where this movie took place. It definitely felt a bit more global, almost more global than any other CB movie in recent memory...

[Tony Stark]

She does not try to kill him in X1. If she wanted to kill him he would be dead.

She walks off because she wants to and Charles tells her to. It's like a lion living with a human family. Sooner or later they get too big and they want to go be lions in the wild. She even mentioned it herself as being a pet that got too big.

Some of you even watch this movie????:huh:

I don't usually respond to hyper fanboy comments. It was a great movie, but not without flaws. It's biggest problem was trying to work with the existing mythos was like shoving a square peg in a round hole.

Some of you even read my review????:huh:

[akfj]

I thought it was pretty awesome. I think it's the best superhero film since The Dark Knight, and I'd put it up there with Nolan's two Batman movies, the first two Spider-Man movies, and Singer's two X-Men movies. I give it a 9/10. There were no dull moments for me, it's just really entertaining all around. However, I'm tempted to deduct a half a point for the lack of a Jennifer Lawrence-as-Mystique rear shot, but there's enough to make up for it. :cwink:

[Tony Stark]

BTW, how cool was it that this movie was taking place EVERYWHERE?

There were soo many locations and soo many settings and places where this movie took place. It definitely felt a bit more global, almost more global than any other CB movie in recent memory...

Definitely had a James Bond feeling to it, with all the jet setting. Most comic books are localized, because it's about the hero defending his city, Superman and Metropolis, Batman and Gotham, Spider-man and NYC, etc, etc,

The Iron Man films had some global locations, but not quite like this movie. Like I say it's the James Bond of superhero films.

[kedrell]

Hehe,

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[kedrell]

Diamonds can crack and break. If you are rich, take a nice diamond and smash it with a rock and see what happens.:awesome:

Smashing it with a rock is one thing. Slowly crushing it is another. Guess which Erik was doing?

[kedrell]

Well, Frost is actually cubic zirconia. Lying *****.

Excellent come-back.:lmao:

[Assassin32]

The scenes with Xavier meeting Mystique as children and Erik screaming "NOOOOOOO!!!" ala Darth Vader had me rolling my eyes, but once it got to the bar in Argentina it had me hooked. The entire finale was full of badassery.

So, is Singer ignoring The Last Stand like he ignored Superman III and IV? If so, brilliant!

[UltimateJustin]

So, is Singer ignoring The Last Stand like he ignored Superman III and IV? If so, brilliant!
Haven't read the whole thread but what clues are there that TLS is being ignored?

[Assassin32]

Haven't read the whole thread but what clues are there that TLS is being ignored?

Xavier is paralyzed at the end.

[SuperSoldier985]

There are several aspects of the movie that ignores the first two movies too...

[psylockolussus]

Yeah like how Professor X said that he met a guy named Erik when he was 17.

[Deaths Head II]

I give it an 8/10. Enjoyable and has a lot of cool scenes but it's definitely got some flaws. It's no where near as polished as X2 but I do think it may be on par or even better then X1. I think they had too many characters and I feel they brushed over a lot of them outside of the main actors. The film's at it's strongest when it's about Magneto and Xavier and this film probably would have been better and more focused if they left out the First Class and just made it X-Men Origins: Magneto.

[kedrell]

There are several aspects of the movie that ignores the first two movies too...

Yeah, but in that case I think they're all dialogue. You could just say Xavier was lying his ass off in X1-X2 and it'd work. In X3, him walking is more than just dialogue.

[SuperSoldier985]

Nah, I'm just willing to look at XMFC as a fresh new story that's loosely using the original series as a reference.

[Hogdog]

Nah, I'm just willing to look at XMFC as a fresh new story that's loosely using the original series as a reference.

A great movie but It still bothers me they deviate from the comics on the overall story. The Xmen story has the potential to tell an epic saga through 9 maybe even 12 movies that would put Star Wars, LOTR, Matrix, and Terminator all put together to shame. Things like Prof X getting shot in the spine from a bullet by Moira that is deflected by Mags instead of fighting Lucifer in a cave and becoming paralyzed and Prof X having a psychic battle with the Shadow King as his motivation for starting the X-men instead of the way it was told in XMFC bother me. It just says to me as a fan that there is no real long term plans to make XM the best movie saga ever told. Nevertheless this is by far the best XM movie out of the 5 that have been made. A must see for any XM fan.

[kedrell]

A great movie but It still bothers me they deviate from the comics on the overall story. The Xmen story has the potential to tell an epic saga through 9 maybe even 12 movies that would put Star Wars, LOTR, Matrix, and Terminator all put together to shame. Things like Prof X getting shot in the spine from a bullet by Moira that is deflected by Mags instead of fighting Lucifer in a cave and becoming paralyzed and Prof X having a psychic battle with the Shadow King as his motivation for starting the X-men instead of the way it was told in XMFC bother me. It just says to me as a fan that there is no real long term plans to make XM the best movie saga ever told. Nevertheless this is by far the best XM movie out of the 5 that have been made. A must see for any XM fan.

Look at it this way and maybe it'll help: Such things not happening at least allow for the possibility of Marvel doing it themselves if and when they ever get the rights back. I for one am damn glad that none of these outside studio films have ever hit it so far out of the park that there wouldn't even be much hope of trumping them. All have been loaded with enough flaws that topping them should be inevitable.

[marvelrobbins]

After seeing First Class I view It as prequel to Just X-Men and X2
There are things which connect It to X-Men and X2.Despite what some said Agent Stryker Is William Stryker's father.The opening scene recreates the opening scene so well it's eerie
and libierties taken with X-Men and X2 are from dialogue saying what happened In the past.And this Is not first franchise not to stick with what characters said.

First Class blows away Thor.I would now rant the best comic Book films this
way
1:Tie Between X2,The Dark Knight,and Superman
4:Tie Between First Class and Batman Begins
6:X-Men
7:Batman Returns
8:Batman
9:Superman II(The Richard Donner Cut)
10:The Incredible Hulk

[Alientraveller]

The way Xavier was crippled in the film was superior to any of the comics' explanations.

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, there are some pretty ridiculous aspects of the original canon that I honestly, don't care to see on-film. When you've got a comic with several different timelines, several different books, over four or five decades, I say, do what you can with the material and make the movie work the best you can. Sometimes the changes and deviations from the material make for more interesting stories anyway. I mean, look at the Batman movies or Spider-Man movies (um, the first two). They are beloved by many fans and I think a lot of it has to do with how they chose to bring these characters to life in new ways and new situations.

Sometimes its moments in that that take you by surprise and shock you. I mean, I literally gasped when that scene happened on the beach with the bullet. I should've seen it coming but I didn't.

[SuperSoldier985]

Hey, in the scene where Xavier uses Cerebro, was Storm the only recognizable mutant cameo that was shown in there? Everyone else looked like pretty random kids.

[Avalanche]

Smashing it with a rock is one thing. Slowly crushing it is another. Guess which Erik was doing?
Well you're comparing Emma Frost's diamond form to actual diamond. She is able to move around completely uninhibited when in diamond form so it has to have some give. The same give that would buckle under intense pressure.

I did find it odd that Magneto was able to crush her myself but it's relatively easily explained away.

[kedrell]

Well you're comparing Emma Frost's diamond form to actual diamond. She is able to move around completely uninhibited when in diamond form so it has to have some give. The same give that would buckle under intense pressure.

I did find it odd that Magneto was able to crush her myself but it's relatively easily explained away.

I never intended to give the impression that it was a major nitpick for me. Just something that got the wheels in my head turning. I certainly would have preferred her to have not had the diamond stuff at all as it was pretty much useless.

[Monsieur Xavier]

I gave a 8 to the movie. I was good, on par with X-2 when it was released.
The lead actors are good and their characterization great.
It was a bit chatty at time but it didn't hinder the story.
My favorite character was Magneto.

Note : I don't know squat about the X-men comics.

[SuperSoldier985]

I gave a 8 to the movie. I was good, on par with X-2 when it was released.
The lead actors are good and their characterization great.
It was a bit chatty at time but it didn't hinder the story.
My favorite character was Magneto.

Note : I don't know squat about the X-men comics.
:up: :up: :up:

[chaseter]

A great movie but It still bothers me they deviate from the comics on the overall story. The Xmen story has the potential to tell an epic saga through 9 maybe even 12 movies that would put Star Wars, LOTR, Matrix, and Terminator all put together to shame. Things like Prof X getting shot in the spine from a bullet by Moira that is deflected by Mags instead of fighting Lucifer in a cave and becoming paralyzed and Prof X having a psychic battle with the Shadow King as his motivation for starting the X-men instead of the way it was told in XMFC bother me. It just says to me as a fan that there is no real long term plans to make XM the best movie saga ever told. Nevertheless this is by far the best XM movie out of the 5 that have been made. A must see for any XM fan.

You think Xavier fighting Lucifer in a cave is a far superior plot revelation:huh::dry:

The comics aren't perfection. They have a lot of extremely stupid **** in them. I hate bringing up TDK but I have to. I assume you like 99% of people loved TDK. If you know anything about Batman and you are a comic perfectionist towards that franchise then you would have pulled your hair and teeth out with all the changes Nolan made. But then again I am sure there are Batman purists saying how TDK was terrible and Nolan is an awful director.

[muscaremy]

Just got back from seeing it thought it was excellent. Question what exactly did Cyke look like(age,clothes, what was he doing) in the cerebro scene i just don't remember

[X-Maniac]

Just got back from seeing it thought it was excellent. Question what exactly did Cyke look like(age,clothes, what was he doing) in the cerebro scene i just don't remember

He was a small kid and wore some sort of glasses. i only spotted him the second time I saw it!

[muscaremy]

Ah ok coo thanks. Also did i see Havok hit a certain someone using his hands at the end or did it just look that way. Don't wanna say too much exactly because i forget how to do spoiler tags

[succumbtofear]

I just returned from viewing it. Absolutely marvelous. 9/10, losing one point for the first and foremost complaint I'll ever have, lack of character accents. But beyond that, this film for my taste was so wonderfully enjoyable. It got so many reactions from me, laughter, cringing, and even tears. Fassbender's performance is something I've stood by since the beginning, and he was far greater than I ever could have imagined. While it did have some flaws, the film as a whole I absolutely adore. And if anything, I want more. I'm sorry that some characters may have gotten the shaft, and I wish we could have seen more of them. I just want more. I hope this is the start of something great, that could become something astonishing.

[antariss]

Look at it this way and maybe it'll help: Such things not happening at least allow for the possibility of Marvel doing it themselves if and when they ever get the rights back. I for one am damn glad that none of these outside studio films have ever hit it so far out of the park that there wouldn't even be much hope of trumping them. All have been loaded with enough flaws that topping them should be inevitable.

These fantasy and extreme sci-fi elements from the comics would be ridiculous in the live action movie series as they are completely different tones and concepts to what has already been established in the movies. To get a general audience to accept mutants living amongst us is plausible, to expect an audience to then buy Xavier fighting Lucifer in a cave or Bishop/Cable time-travelling into the present day or Scott's dad being one of the StarJammers, Xavier in love with an alien Queen,well...you get my drift. Comic books can cross many genre's and get completely fantastic, movies cannot juggle several tones and concepts of those extremes without compromising the reality of its own universe. If the X films had started off that way then it would be different but that isn't the case.

[jmc]

I'm actually considering seeing this again, and I very rarely do that with superhero flicks. Such a good film in general, not just a superhero film, can't speak highly enough of it.

[kedrell]

These fantasy and extreme sci-fi elements from the comics would be ridiculous in the live action movie series as they are completely different tones and concepts to what has already been established in the movies. To get a general audience to accept mutants living amongst us is plausible, to expect an audience to then buy Xavier fighting Lucifer in a cave or Bishop/Cable time-travelling into the present day or Scott's dad being one of the StarJammers, Xavier in love with an alien Queen,well...you get my drift. Comic books can cross many genre's and get completely fantastic, movies cannot juggle several tones and concepts of those extremes without compromising the reality of its own universe. If the X films had started off that way then it would be different but that isn't the case.

Well in such circumstances they'd need a complete restart, sure. But the films in the MCU are crossing all those lines together and it's working. You just need to be clever, careful and creative with how you do it.

The person who says it can't be done is often overtaken by some other person who just did it. More meaningful here.

And I actually prefer X's paralysis in this film to how it was done in the comics.

[jmc]

It's working but it's vanilla in flavour. This is what happens when a series is left to be it's own beast.

[kedrell]

I seriously don't see any advantage that has been achieved by leaving it to be 'it's own beast'. The film is no better than any of the MCU films. Quite less than some of them, IMO.

[pyromaniac]

Smashing it with a rock is one thing. Slowly crushing it is another. Guess which Erik was doing?

Well the definition did mention that it could break under 'the right circumstances.' :p

[Rac]

I'm actually considering seeing this again, and I very rarely do that with superhero flicks. Such a good film in general, not just a superhero film, can't speak highly enough of it.
Same here. Everything went by so fast, and also my mind wasn't completely relaxed. Troubles from personal life bothered me. Despite all that I still enjoyed it a great deal.

[jmc]

I'm sorry, but FC craps over all of Marvel's films, as much **** as Fox gets (deservedly sometimes), they've managed to let this film breath and feel organic, this isn't as suffocated as Marvel's films, and it makes for a better movie.

[Thundercrack85]

Anyone else find it odd that they paralyzed X this early? Especially since they want to make more movies. Also causes a few continuity problems (not that anyone cares).

[A Necessary Evil]

Anyone else find it odd that they paralyzed X this early? Especially since they want to make more movies. Also causes a few continuity problems (not that anyone cares).

You are funny.:dry:

[kedrell]

I'm sorry, but FC craps over all of Marvel's films, as much **** as Fox gets (deservedly sometimes), they've managed to let this film breath and feel organic, this isn't as suffocated as Marvel's films, and it makes for a better movie.

Well to each his own. I couldn't disagree more strongly. This was a good film but hardly anything great. It has some really good parts but I could punch a bazillion holes in the writing alone. But this to me, like X2 is basically about as good as we're likely to get from a FOX film. And it'll do...for now.

[WorthyStevens]

Hey, in the scene where Xavier uses Cerebro, was Storm the only recognizable mutant cameo that was shown in there? Everyone else looked like pretty random kids.

Cyclops.

[danoyse]

Cyclops.

Ah, that's where he was.

[craigdbfan]

He was the kid with the red tinted sunglasses and playing catch.

[danoyse]

He was the kid with the red tinted sunglasses and playing catch.

I think I was too busy pointing out Storm to my dad... :oldrazz:

[craigdbfan]

I think I was too busy pointing out Storm to my dad... :oldrazz:

It happens. I somehow missed Platts death.

Left me wondering at the end "Whatever happened to him". Definitely didn't catch Azazel killing him.

[Quetzal]

Well I just registered to these forums just to say this after watching this movie.

It was great! Epic! Best Movie I have seen so far this year, beat Thor for me by a longshot at least.

[danoyse]

Well I just registered to these forums just to say this after watching this movie.

It was great! Epic! Best Movie I have seen so far this year, beat Thor for me by a longshot at least.

Cool! Loved it too. :up:

Welcome to the forum! :woot:

[Quetzal]

My fave character this time would have to be Magneto followed by Bansee.

Is there any chance there could be a sequel to this movie? I liked it a lot lol

==
And at above, thanks :D

[merbass]

What was the point of having Tony Curran and Bendan Fehr in the movie ? They were extra in the movie basically !

Also in X-men universe, I assume people live longer and look younger than their actual age. Having Storm and Cyclops seen in Cerebro sequence, they were in their 40's/ 50's in the X-Trilogy. Unless the years doesn't count.

[Nemi]

What was the point of having Tony Curran and Bendan Fehr in the movie ? They were extra in the movie basically !

Also in X-men universe, I assume people live longer and look younger than their actual age. Having Storm and Cyclops seen in Cerebro sequence, they were in their 40's/ 50's in the X-Trilogy. Unless the years doesn't count.

Sometimes a man needs an extra and random person off the street just doesn't cut it....

[X-Maniac]

What was the point of having Tony Curran and Bendan Fehr in the movie ? They were extra in the movie basically !

Also in X-men universe, I assume people live longer and look younger than their actual age. Having Storm and Cyclops seen in Cerebro sequence, they were in their 40's/ 50's in the X-Trilogy. Unless the years doesn't count.

Or maybe there are 30 or so years between First Class and X1, not 40. That would make Cyclops and Storm about the right age in the later films, and Magneto wouldn't have to be so old.

That would mean the trilogy is set in the 90s (X1 did go into production in 1998/1999). There were no dates stated in the trilogy.

[Spider-Fan]

Here is how I rate the previous X-films:

X1 - 3/5
X2 - 3.5/5
X3 - 2.5/5
Wolverine - 1.5/5

So naturally, going into First Class, skepticism for me was high. I have not been that high on any of the X-films that much (I feel X2 overrated), but reviews got me curious for this.

Results for me after seeing First Class: Best X-Men film to date BY FAR! I would give this a 4.5/5. The script is solid. We don't learn much about many of the students and the villains are a bit thin (plus a few very bad CGI shots), but the Magneto material, Xavier material, and Mystique stuff is all great. I love the themes. I do feel the dialogue was a bit too modern and not 60's enough in spots, but I actually felt like this film had the chance to be well rounded (while the previous X-films were all Wolverine and friends).

I am not bothered by the continuity issues, really. There are MANY of them if you look at them, but I can look past those as this film was very strong.

Matthew Vaughn deserves major props. I liked it as much as I did Thor, and I never expected that :up:

[DeanJ2009]

I think Mystique falling for Magneto was kind of sudden. Sure he gave her some self confidence, but she hadn't really shown any physical attraction to him prior to her jumping into his bed nakey. And right before then she was trying bang Hank and before that she was trying to bang Xavier. Makes her seem kinda ****ty imo.

This was actually fantastically subtle piece of storyteling tbh, Mystique like alot of young girls with self esteem issues was looking for attention, People with acceptance issues usually cling to those people who will accept them and this was shown right throughout this film.

She'd never been made to feel good before and when these men we're suddenly telling her how fantastic she was, you can see why she would be attracted to this becasue it's what she needed.

[Spider-Fan]

Or maybe there are 30 or so years between First Class and X1, not 40. That would make Cyclops and Storm about the right age in the later films, and Magneto wouldn't have to be so old.

That would mean the trilogy is set in the 90s (X1 did go into production in 1998/1999). There were no dates stated in the trilogy.

It was called the not too distant future in the first and third films. That means sometime after 2001. Cause it is the future as of 2001.

[Ipodman]

So anyone seen it more than once yet? I'm going 2nd time tonight! :D

[X-Maniac]

It was called the not too distant future in the first and third films. That means sometime after 2001. Cause it is the future as of 2001.

Yep, I know. But that could be interpreted to be the 'not too distant future' after the events shown previously on screen (1944), rather than the future in our world going by release date.

I'm reaching I know, but it's not the first time this has been suggested.

It just seems like 30 years would make the briefly-glimpsed Storm and Cyclops the right ages...

[HAhaHA815]

Just got back from seeing it and I really enjoyed it! One of the things I was looking forward to most about the movie from the start was the cast, and James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender both did a fantastic job as I expected. I don't really have any major complaints, but I wanted more (which I guess in a way is a good thing?). It didn't seem rushed, and we did get a good amount of characterization, but at the same time everything moved so fast that I would have liked it even better if it was slowed down just a tad so we could appreciate the character moments more and maybe flesh out some of the supporting members like Havoc, Banshee, Moira, etc. with just a few more lines. I don't know. I'll probably feel differently after a rewatch or with deleted scenes. Either way, there were lots of scenes I loved and I really hope there'll be a sequel!

[childeroland]

The best of the franchise, thanks mostly to a fantastic Fassbender and McAvoy and Lawrence. Essentially an early James Bond film with mutants, with Emma Frost, Mystique, and Angel as the Bond girls, Sebastian Shaw as Blofeld, and Moira as Felix Leiter.

[X-Maniac]

So anyone seen it more than once yet? I'm going 2nd time tonight! :D

Yes indeed, first time was media screening. I caught much more the second time around.

I'm also going with friends at the weekend, that will the third time.:wow:

[danoyse]

It was called the not too distant future in the first and third films. That means sometime after 2001. Cause it is the future as of 2001.

Unfortunately, the NYC skyline in X1 would have to make it pre-2001. :csad:

[Spider-Fan]

Yep, I know. But that could be interpreted to be the 'not too distant future' after the events shown previously on screen (1944), rather than the future in our world going by release date.

I'm reaching I know, but it's not the first time this has been suggested.

It just seems like 30 years would make the briefly-glimpsed Storm and Cyclops the right ages...

The not too distant future to me means the future. Sometime after the present. But, I think trying to make this fit into continuity is futile. Just enjoy the film for what it was: a solid X-Men film that is about Xavier and Magneto before they became the men they are now. Vaughn clearly wasn't all that concerned with continuity in making this. There are many issues with the continuity of this film and the others. But, who cares?

[Spider-Fan]

Unfortunately, the NYC skyline in X1 would have to make it pre-2001. :csad:

I forgot all about that! Was there a towers shot in X1? That could also mean 2001 itself.

[danoyse]

So anyone seen it more than once yet? I'm going 2nd time tonight! :D

I almost saw it again this afternoon after seeing it this morning.

If I don't see it again Sunday, I'm definitely seeing it again after work on Monday.

My sister and brother-in-law really want to see it, so I volunteered to babysit my nephew so they can go. :yay:

[Ipodman]

Yes indeed, first time was media screening. I caught much more the second time around.

I'm also going with friends at the weekend, that will the third time.:wow:

Haha nice... I'm aiming for at least 3 times for myself...

[X-Maniac]

The not too distant future to me means the future. Sometime after the present. But, I think trying to make this fit into continuity is futile. Just enjoy the film for what it was: a solid X-Men film that is about Xavier and Magneto before they became the men they are now. Vaughn clearly wasn't all that concerned with continuity in making this. There are many issues with the continuity of this film and the others. But, who cares?

I, personally, don't care about the continuity 'issues'. But a lot of the more narrow-thinking, obsessional fanboys seem to be totally hung up on it. i spotted an editorial on the-site-that-cannot-be-named in which commenters tore it apart on continuity grounds and just could not get past it.

[danoyse]

I forgot all about that! Was there a towers shot in X1? That could also mean 2001 itself.

Yep. You can't even really get around it, they're pretty prominent in the shot. They even talk about it in the X1 commentary track, since Bryan Singer is from NJ and was still pretty shaken up about the whole thing.

[Spider-Fan]

I, personally, don't care about the continuity 'issues'. But a lot of the more narrow-thinking, obsessional fanboys seem to be totally hung up on it. i spotted an editorial on the-site-that-cannot-be-named in which commenters tore it apart on continuity grounds and just could not get past it.

If it ruins it for some people, then it is their loss. This was a good movie. Far better than anything FOX has done with Marvel properties. I am just going to enjoy it.

Yep. You can't even really get around it, they're pretty prominent in the shot. They even talk about it in the X1 commentary track, since Bryan Singer is from NJ and was still pretty shaken up about the whole thing.

Well...then around 2001 is when X1 takes place! That would be not too distant future from 2000.

[X-Maniac]

I almost saw it again this afternoon after seeing it this morning.

If I don't see it again Sunday, I'm definitely seeing it again after work on Monday.

My sister and brother-in-law really want to see it, so I volunteered to babysit my nephew so they can go. :yay:

Because a lot is going on in the story, a second screening is good because you can be prepared for stuff, like the Cerebro cameos etc.

[Rac]

What was the point of having Tony Curran and Bendan Fehr in the movie ? They were extra in the movie basically !

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/24/matthew-vaughn-on-x-men-first-class-on-the-writing-credits-on-the-bond-influence-on-the-difficult-shoot-and-more/

I think people with one line are just as important as people with a thousand lines. It takes one bad delivery to take you out of a film, so if I can get away with casting great actors in smaller roles, I’ll take it. With Flemyng, I had to ******** him that in the sequel he’d have a much bigger role.

[danoyse]

Because a lot is going on in the story, a second screening is good because you can be prepared for stuff, like the Cerebro cameos etc.

Exactly...I only caught one of those cameos the first time around.

My dad liked it so much he wants to see it again too. :up:

[DeanJ2009]

I don't care. But a lot of the more narrow-thinking, obsessional fanboys seem to be totally hung up on it. i spotted an editorial on the-site-that-cannot-be-named in which commenters tore it apart on continuity grounds and just could not get past it.

The general public, the ones who make the difference in weather or not these movies get made also couldn't give a flying f**k about this. People need to just relax a bit more at these types of film.

I've noticed alot of criticism along the lines of Erik and Charles should have been friends and the end of this film, that would have confused the general public! Sequel or no sequel planned you can't let the gen-pop leave the theatre confused and they would if that movie had of ended with Charles and Erik still best buds. In a sequel they can go back and forth and have thier friendship grow in one respect and disitegrate in another.

Yes fanboys want things spread out over several films but it's just not realistic, unless the films are written(and more ofthen than not filmed) at the same time it's for the best the just concentrate on making one good movie and seeing if the general public decide that it's a franchise worth investing in. if you hold back thinking that you will save things for later films you are more than likely not going to make it to those later films.

[X-Maniac]

Exactly...I only caught one of those cameos the first time around.

My dad liked it so much he wants to see it again too. :up:

And it seems less kinetic and choppy at the start as well when you see it again. At the media screening, i was sat next to a very short woman in the main Odeon Leicester Square venue (which doesn't have a steep slope to the seating, so it's harder to see), and so this woman kept leaping up on her feet to read the subtitles and it made the film seem more jerky because she kept jumping up and down...I had to ignore her to concentrate on it!

[Ipodman]

Yea kids will probably have trouble following the subtitles...

[jacobed]

More Azazel in the sequel. Hell yes he was such a bad ass in this movie.

[Ipodman]

Yea did he even say anything... he was like some kind of silent killer like deal...

Sequel would be great... I rather have second class than X4 and 5

[craigdbfan]

Azazel had more lines than Riptide who didn't literally say a word in the entire film.

Riptide was badass.

[X-Maniac]

I'd like more from the henchmen in next movie, just some dialogue explaining their motivations, don't need their life story...

[danoyse]

And it seems less kinetic and choppy at the start as well when you see it again. At the media screening, i was sat next to a very short woman in the main Odeon Leicester Square venue (which doesn't have a steep slope to the seating, so it's harder to see), and so this woman kept leaping up on her feet to read the subtitles and it made the film seem more jerky because she kept jumping up and down...I had to ignore her to concentrate on it!

I know that theater! Never been inside, but for some reason I remember that Tropic Thunder was playing there the last time I was in London. :yay:

When I saw Wolverine at the AMC Empire 25 in NYC, a guy got up and started yelling 5 minutes into the movie because he didn't like the rat on Liev Schreiber's shoulder. He walked out muttering out loud "That guy's got a ****in' rat on his shoulder!!" And he never came back. :dry:

[Spider-Fan]

He didn't miss much. Wolverine was awful.

[Ipodman]

Azazel had more lines than Riptide who didn't literally say a word in the entire film.

Riptide was badass.

Really? I didn't remember Azazel saying anything... Riptide's power was cool...

[akfj]

Yea kids will probably have trouble following the subtitles...

There was a little kid a couple seats away from me who couldn't sit still throughout the entire movie, but whenever there were subtitles on the screen he would actually pay attention and read them out. Weird.

[craigdbfan]

@Ipodman Yes, really.

He had a couple of lines. When they were in the sub and a couple other parts.

[danoyse]

He didn't miss much. Wolverine was awful.

He wasn't the only one who walked out of that show.

Although...I didn't hate Wolverine. It's not a good movie, by any stretch of the imagination, but I didn't hate it.

[Ipodman]

There was a little kid a couple seats away from me who couldn't sit still throughout the entire movie, but whenever there were subtitles on the screen he would actually pay attention and read them out. Weird.

Haha maybe kids find it intriguing that words are appearing on screen...

[akfj]

Haha maybe kids find it intriguing that words are appearing on screen...

I was thinking that maybe he would have preferred the book version.

[Spider-Fan]

He wasn't the only one who walked out of that show.

Although...I didn't hate Wolverine. It's not a good movie, by any stretch of the imagination, but I didn't hate it.

I still want my money back from it :csad:

Wolverine was a big reason I almost waited several weeks to see First Class. The reviews for it got me to the theater tonight, and not in 2-3 weeks.

[The Sage]

Great, really great.

I love how the movie tied into the first two movies. The Magneto/Mystique relationship was established, the way the Brotherhood of Mutants is setup, it does leave the door open for Mystique and Azazel to potentially sire Nightcrawler.

Michael Fassbender man...wow. Magneto was off the chain. Xavier too, McAvoy was good.

Some of it felt a little rushed, mainly the training scenes. But quite a bit was packed in so it didn't affect me.

Loved it. Worth seeing once, and worth seeing a second time.

[Solidus]

Just got back, next to X2, and Spidey 2, I would say this is one of my favorite Marvel films.

Pro's: Superb acting all around. Michael of course stole the show for me. Every Magneto scene was just awesome, and the action was superb. They balanced it well for having so many characters and events going on at once. The music as well was superb. Just all around good acting.

Cons: Some parts felt, just cheesy and out of place to me, and sometimes I wish we could have spent more time with each of the characters (I know they could not) but still it may of had more of an emotional impact with certain characters with me if they would have focused on them more.

Bottom Line: Great film, brought back class (no pun intended) to the X-Series. I want more. And so far its the best movie I've seen this year. Kuddos to Vaughn and team!

8.9/10

[Slushy]

I'm not going to see or support this movie. You know why? Fox are a bunch of schemers. This is going to make a lot of money, but we're not going to get a well-deserved X-Men 4. No. Instead, Fox is going to go the Star Trek route and make a bunch of movies about the young version of the characters (mainly its because its cheaper for them to pay these actors). And for that, they can piss off! :mad:

With that said, GO AND SAVE THE CITY!

[batman11]

Awesome, awesome movie. Great summer fun, great film experience, just pretty great all around. :up: :up:

I was never a huge, huge fan of the X-Films, nor the X-Men in general (in which case, my opinion of the film is even more telling I think), but all the recent buzz surrounding this, as well as the great trailers, talent, and period setting, really peaked my interest. And I'm so freakin happy I saw it. The acting was top notch, the score was very sweet, it was really fun yet had some great emotional heart, and all around, it was just a great production.

And despite not being a huge X-Fan, I (BIG SPOILER SO DON'T HIGHLIGHT IF WORRIED) flipped the f out when Logan showed up. Seriously, I had no idea it was coming (was it leaked prior?) and I loved every second of it. The Rebecca Romijn cameo was great too. While I'm in blackout mode, I figure I should also note that I was so immersed in the film, I completely forgot about Charles lacking a wheelchair until BOOM! Great moment, great editing (Lee Smith did yet another fab job). Really sent a shiver down my spine, no pun intended.

All in all, GO SEE THIS MOVIE! Although declaring that on the X-Boards is probably a fairly useless act. :funny:

[Stringer]

This was actually fantastically subtle piece of storyteling tbh, Mystique like alot of young girls with self esteem issues was looking for attention, People with acceptance issues usually cling to those people who will accept them and this was shown right throughout this film.

She'd never been made to feel good before and when these men we're suddenly telling her how fantastic she was, you can see why she would be attracted to this becasue it's what she needed.
I totally understand why she fell for him. But no matter how low her self esteem it still makes her look like a hoe by bouncing from crush to crush, especially when her crush on Magneto wasn't displayed in any way until she threw herself at him. His words could've had the same impact of the teacher to student with no sexual tension in that case.

All it would've taken is her to give an interested glance at Magneto when he walked into the room for the first time.

[ciscostudent561]

Well some girls are hoes bro

[bullets]

I'm not going to see or support this movie. You know why? Fox are a bunch of schemers. This is going to make a lot of money, but we're not going to get a well-deserved X-Men 4. No. Instead, Fox is going to go the Star Trek route and make a bunch of movies about the young version of the characters (mainly its because its cheaper for them to pay these actors). And for that, they can piss off! :mad:

With that said, GO AND SAVE THE CITY!


The are working on X4 and X5. Also the Star Trek route saved that franchise.

[storyteller]

Yeah that first cameo really made me want an X-men 4. I love the look of that cameo too. Short and under control.

This movie did so many things right. If there is a sequel.........honestly just do a time travel story so we can have the modern X-men in there as well. The bad guys and heroes got a lot of character development to give.

[danoyse]

I'm not going to see or support this movie. You know why? Fox are a bunch of schemers. This is going to make a lot of money, but we're not going to get a well-deserved X-Men 4. No. Instead, Fox is going to go the Star Trek route and make a bunch of movies about the young version of the characters (mainly its because its cheaper for them to pay these actors). And for that, they can piss off! :mad:

With that said, GO AND SAVE THE CITY!

Well...your loss. :cwink:

[danoyse]

Well some girls are hoes bro

But...she wasn't. And I recommend you don't continue with that kind of talk here.

[SuperSoldier985]

Saw the movie a second time and I enjoyed it a lot more!

The first time I saw it, I wanted to give it a 7.5/10. After the second viewing, I've bumped it up to a 8.5/10. Some of the performances were so good the second time around, I almost teared up.. :( It's weird, but for some reason, the second time, I was watching the movie for what it was. The first time, I was brimming with too many expectations and anticipation that I was over-analyzing every little thing.

Trailers shown on second viewing:
-The Three Musketeers
-Green Lantern (#3)
-Mr. Popper's Penguins (#2)
-The Change-Up (#2)
-Transformers: Dark of the Moon (#2)
-Rise of the Planet of the Apes (#2)

[Nightmare]

Loved it, 8/10 for me

[Psykoelf]

watched First Class yesterday. At first I was a bit hestitant about it all and really unsure whether to go and watch it, but now after seeing I'm so glad I did. It was marvellous! It even had some of the go-go dancing that I really wished was going to be in it (though Emma go-go dancing in diamond form would of been awesome).

Whilst it had its superficial flaws (eg. the kids were far to modern, some continuity errors to X1 and 2 only, and Fassbender's slip into Irish), overall, i have no real qualms. I loved the visual layout of the film, right down to the sliding boxes screens. It just screamed old school. The costumes were fantastic. Cameos I'm disregarding as just being Easter eggs for fan boys.

For me personally, what got me was Fassbender's Magneto. His anger was so raw, his opinions and stance on the mutant situation so firm - you could not help but be drawn towards him from the get go. That and I think Fassbender is very shagadelic baby yeah.

Gonna see this again sometime real soon.

[conan69]

IMHO the only thing keeping this from being X-Men film #1, the X-Men movie Ive always wanted was a few of the uninteresting mutants.

Pretty pleased with this film.

[Yurka]

Just got back. Great, great film. Fassbender absolutely stole the show in my opinion, incredible job on his part. Honestly the only let down of the entire film for me was Magneto's final suit.

[SuperSoldier985]

What was the point of having Tony Curran and Bendan Fehr in the movie ? They were extra in the movie basically !
Why not?

I think it's like a Matthew Vaughn thing too. He likes putting in a bunch of character actors in his movies, even for a 30 second scene. I was surprised by the number of character actors that I forgot had brief roles in this, like Ray Wise, James Remar, Rade Serbedjia, and Olek Krupa..

[hippie_hunter]

Just got back. Great, great film. Fassbender absolutely stole the show in my opinion, incredible job on his part. Honestly the only let down of the entire film for me was Magneto's final suit.
Magneto's final suit was awesome. A cool combination of his comic book and movie designs.

[danoyse]

Magneto's final suit was awesome. A cool combination of his comic book and movie designs.

The audience at my show started applauding when he walked in with the suit.

Dammit, I need to see this again.

[SuperSoldier985]

Here is how I rate the previous X-films:

X1 - 3/5
X2 - 3.5/5
X3 - 2.5/5
Wolverine - 1.5/5

So naturally, going into First Class, skepticism for me was high. I have not been that high on any of the X-films that much (I feel X2 overrated), but reviews got me curious for this.

Results for me after seeing First Class: Best X-Men film to date BY FAR! I would give this a 4.5/5. The script is solid. We don't learn much about many of the students and the villains are a bit thin (plus a few very bad CGI shots), but the Magneto material, Xavier material, and Mystique stuff is all great. I love the themes. I do feel the dialogue was a bit too modern and not 60's enough in spots, but I actually felt like this film had the chance to be well rounded (while the previous X-films were all Wolverine and friends).

I am not bothered by the continuity issues, really. There are MANY of them if you look at them, but I can look past those as this film was very strong.

Matthew Vaughn deserves major props. I liked it as much as I did Thor, and I never expected that :up:
I'm glad you liked it.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Just got back not too long ago from seeing it. Loved it. Just to list off some things:

-Poor little Erik. Having a good relationship with my mother, I felt for the kid. If that happened to me, it would destroy me. :csad:

-"My parents didn't have a name. It was taken from them...by pig farmers...and tailors." The tension in this scene was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Having the 'Frankenstein's Monster' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvh9atA_yEQ) track really helped, too.

-"Go f**k yourselves." :funny:

-The confrontation between Erik and Shaw at the end was awesome. It really showed that after crossing that line, there was no turning back.

-I love Mystique's character arc in this film. She goes from being frustrated with her appearance, to wanting to be rid of her "appearance", to finally embracing it (I liked that it was Erik who gave her that little nudge). I really felt for her at the end, having to choose between siding with Magneto and leaving Charles. It was kind of sad, actually. :csad:

-"Call me...Magneto." *cue 'Magneto' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHdxG8MA_g) track*

I only mention just some things, but I really loved this film as a whole. Despite having a rushed schedule and few dodgy effects here and there, the character development and story for this film more than made up for any flaws that this film had.

Most of all, I really loved how fun, lighthearted, colorful and free-spirited this film was. The first two were really good, but they felt somewhat restrained, like they were kind of holding something back. In this film, you could really sense that everyone involved with this movie was having a really good time. This really felt like an X-Men film. Not a mark against those other two. I still love them.

Really hope they keep Vaughn and Singer for a sequel. 9/10

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to the X-Men: First Class soundtrack again.

*starts humming 'Magneto' theme*

[Yurka]

Magneto's final suit was awesome. A cool combination of his comic book and movie designs.

I thought the helmet was perfect, I was just let down by the actual suit, I guess they tried to make it as similar as possible to his first appearance though.

[BillPardy]

Some of the continuity errors drive me nuts. It bugs the hell out of me that there is that scene in X3 where Prof. X (walking) and Magneto go and enroll Jean. Its just a huge glaring error... That being said I strike that as a fault in X3 since I loved First Class so much...

[JTStarkiller]

I saw it earlier tonight, was pretty excited after all of the rave reviews, and was pretty let down. McAvoy was great and Fassbender was stellar, as well as the actor who played Beast, but I unfortunately thought there were SO many weak elements: the young mutant scenes were terribly awkward to watch (the one in particular is where they are all showing each other their powers), and most of them looked like they lived in the 1960s (Alex in particular).

I'd say my biggest beef was that Emma Frost was a complete and utter waste of a character. I swear, January Jones looks like she has nothing going on in her head. Poor writing and her poor acting drove me nuts.

I really, REALLY wanted to love this film, and halfway through just found myself becoming very bored at times. Perhaps another viewing will change my mind. I'd put it well above The Last Stand and Wolverine, but nowhere near as good as X1 and X2.

[Figs]

Just got back from seeing this and I'm not sure what to rate it. The hype definitely got to me a little bit though.

I think I'll see it one more time before I give it a rating, I'm mixed on it.

[Gunga Diner]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/pig_jizz/1291934183893.jpg

That is the only response I can deliver at this time.

Golden ****ing standard.

[Russell Nash]

Although this movie is extremely entertaining, it's highly flawed on multiple levels. The high points of the movie are undoubtedly Kevin Bacon and Michael Fassbender. But they weren't good as as Sebastian Shaw and Magneto; instead they were perfect for Le Chiffre and James Bond respectfully.

This movie doesn't succeed in being an X-men movie on its own merits, but as a nostalgic homage to the 1960's James Bond films. It's an odd combination to see in a period piece film circa 1962. In fact, this is also where the film falters as well. The clothing, sayings and styles are all representative of the mid to late 1960's, not 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think more than anything else, this film is being received well because of the similarities to the early Bond films.

The plot (wouldn't mutual hatred of mutants end the cold war?), secondary character interaction, search for mutant montage, and rushed pacing hurt the movie on many levels. This movie will earn Fox a lot of money in the next few weeks. The real question is where do they go from here? Ignore the past X-films? Or yet again walk the line between prequel and reboot?

[truth]

Don't care about the sequels. They can do whatever they want. The continuity and stuff is all F'ed up. Waiting for some day, in the next thousand years to actually get X-Men right. "Fans" and "Fanboys" are soooooooooo quick to champion any film as being THE ONE TRUE X-MEN film. Important to show that not ALL fans accept mediocrity.

[Figs]

This movie doesn't succeed in being an X-men movie on its own merits, but as a nostalgic homage to the 1960's James Bond films. It's an odd combination to see in a period piece film circa 1962. In fact, this is also where the film falters as well. The clothing, sayings and styles are all representative of the mid to late 1960's, not 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think more than anything else, this film is being received well because of the similarities to the early Bond films.

Personally, I think people are only bringing this up all the time because Vaughn said that he was kind of going for that. If he never said that, I highly doubt all the people saying that it was like a Bond film would have thought that at all.

Don't care about the sequels. They can do whatever they want. The continuity and stuff is all F'ed up. Waiting for some day, in the next thousand years to actually get X-Men right. "Fans" and "Fanboys" are soooooooooo quick to champion any film as being THE ONE TRUE X-MEN film. Important to show that not ALL fans accept mediocrity.

Do you hate all the films, or are you just bitter that the continuity is messed up between the films?

[truth]

I'm not going to see or support this movie. You know why? Fox are a bunch of schemers. This is going to make a lot of money, but we're not going to get a well-deserved X-Men 4. No. Instead, Fox is going to go the Star Trek route and make a bunch of movies about the young version of the characters (mainly its because its cheaper for them to pay these actors). And for that, they can piss off! :mad:

With that said, GO AND SAVE THE CITY!

The way of modern Hollywood.

Not about creativity, about making CASH

[Russell Nash]

Personally, I think people are only bringing this up all the time because Vaughn said that he was kind of going for that. If he never said that, I highly doubt all the people saying that it was like a Bond film would have thought that at all.

First Class worships at the altar of the early Bond films and Dr. Strangelove. It's more than obvious. I don't need the director to tell me that.

That's really my complaint with First Class as a whole. This was the period piece Casino Royale movie Tarantino wanted to make but with Magneto instead of James Bond. It even has the same ending as Casino Royale, how James became Bond and how Erik became Magneto.

[Figs]

First Class worships at the altar of the early Bond films and Dr. Strangelove. It's more than obvious. I don't need the director to tell me that.

I've seen just about every Bond film. There are similarities of course with X:FC, but I still think people are jumping on that X-men FC = Bond bandwagon. Maybe not you, but a lot of others. As for the Dr. Strangelove connection. There have been films in the past that have had scenes in a war room as well as a nuke or missle crisis of sorts. Just because X:FC also had those similarities doesn't mean it's copying or ripping off Dr. Strangelove, which is a movie I love by the way.

[Russell Nash]

I've seen just about every Bond film. There are similarities of course with X:FC, but I still think people are jumping on that X-men FC = Bond bandwagon. Maybe not you, but a lot of others. As for the Dr. Strangelove connection. There have been films in the past that have had scenes in a war room as well as a nuke or missle crisis of sorts. Just because X:FC also had those similarities doesn't mean it's copying or ripping off Dr. Strangelove, which is a movie I love by the way.

Remember, imitation is the highest form of flattery. :yay:

P.S. Why haven't you seen EVERY BOND FILM? You hate America, chocolate and puppies or something?:cwink:

[Figs]

Remember, imitation is the highest form of flattery. :yay:

Very true. :woot:

P.S. Why haven't you seen EVERY BOND FILM? You hate America, chocolate and puppy's or something?:cwink:

I'm not sure I want to brave the last two Brosnan films. I hear they're not that good. I mean you can definitely say the same about a number of Roger Moore's films, but I just don't know if I want to waste the time.

[Russell Nash]

I'm not sure I want to brave the last two Brosnan films. I hear they're not that good. I mean you can definitely say the same about a number of Roger Moore's films, but I just don't know if I want to waste the time.

Trust me, when you're spending the night with James Bond, you won't be wasting your time.:oldrazz:

[hitmanyr2k]

Although this movie is extremely entertaining, it's highly flawed on multiple levels. The high points of the movie are undoubtedly Kevin Bacon and Michael Fassbender. But they weren't good as as Sebastian Shaw and Magneto; instead they were perfect for Le Chiffre and James Bond respectfully.

This movie doesn't succeed in being an X-men movie on its own merits, but as a nostalgic homage to the 1960's James Bond films. It's an odd combination to see in a period piece film circa 1962. In fact, this is also where the film falters as well. The clothing, sayings and styles are all representative of the mid to late 1960's, not 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think more than anything else, this film is being received well because of the similarities to the early Bond films.

The plot (wouldn't mutual hatred of mutants end the cold war?), secondary character interaction, search for mutant montage, and rushed pacing hurt the movie on many levels. This movie will earn Fox a lot of money in the next few weeks. The real question is where do they go from here? Ignore the past X-films? Or yet again walk the line between prequel and reboot?

I'm not a James Bond fan so whatever similarities that were there I thankfully missed. I can definitely agree in the part bolded though. The movie was solid and entertaining but not as great as I expected considering the rave reviews. It definitely felt rushed and disjointed which frustrated me throughout. There were too many instances where the characters exchanged a few lines of dialogue between each other and then it was on to the next scene. I know there were many characters to juggle but the editing jarred me out of the movie more than a few times. I could feel chunks of dialogue and development sitting on the cutting room floor. I'm hoping there's a director's cut that will fix this.

McAvoy, Fassbender's stellar performances and the action were the highlights of the film for sure.

[S.A.A.D.]

I liked X-Men: First Class for the most part but I feel as if the third act was really weak, at times it came off as being overly serious, another criticism that I have is the dialog and the action. In my mind the action is bland, unoriginal, and unimaginative. As for the dialog, every line in the movie seems so damn basic. I thought that there were moments that were made up of over acting (James McAvoy as Professor X). Lastly, this movie would have been better in my case if it had revolved around Mystique and White Queen some more and would have been better if Sabastian Shaw wasn't defeated so easily. As a movie, it's good. As a comic book movie and X-Men movie, it's pretty good and is better than most comic book movies. One more thing, Beast looked really stupid imo and the lead up to the final battle was great.

I dare people to say that the third act couldn't have gotten any better.

[Figs]

Trust me, when you're spending the night with James Bond, you won't be wasting your time.:oldrazz:

:funny:

I'll probably break down and watch them eventually.


As for X-men First Class.

I really loved it. I felt just about everyone did a great job, some weren't given much to work with though sadly. As just a movie it was great, as an X-men film it was pretty damn good but it was missing something that I can't quite put my finger on yet.

I'm not an "action, action, must have more action" kind of guy. I do love me some action scenes, but prefer good writing and depth over it any day of the week. With that being said, I do wish the training scenes were a bit longer, as well as the fighting between the mutants near the end of the film. When it came to the last big scene of the film, I was hoping there would have been some more fighting with Beast vs Azazel and Havok vs Riptide, but what we got was still highly entertaining. Everything else in the movie was great and I absolutely loved that they used subtitles in the right places.

I really liked the scenes between Hank and Raven. My gf didn't care for them because she felt it was trying to shoehorn in a love story thing, but I loved the message it was trying to convey. Hell, that message was throughout the film, accepting who you are. It was just interesting to see Hank go from wanting Raven to change to something normal, to changing himself and basically truly forced to accept who he is now.

I can't wait for a sequel, not just to see where Vaughn takes it, but also so some of the characters can get fleshed out a lot more. I guess a minor complaint I have is that I kind of wish Hank turned into Beast a little earlier on in the film and that they had more time in the suits, which I loved.

As for the whole continuity debate. As far as I'm concerned this isn't a prequel but a new start for an X-men franchise/trilogy. Of course you can still watch this as a prequel to the other films, but the only true thing tying them together on a major level was the cameos of Jackman and Rebecca Romijn. Even then, those were pretty much just put in as a joking wink to the audience from Vaughn. I doubt he has any interest of bringing back Romijn to take over for Jennifer Lawrence in a possible third film or introducing Wolverine played by Jackman again. Anything is possible I suppose, but I would bet money that that won't happen.

I just don't get all the crying over continuity issues. I don't get why some fans are so desperate to want this to tie into the other films. This could turn into a better series of films than the first three, and it's definitely off to a good start. I get that it would be cool to watch this and a possible sequel then go right into X1, but so far I like the differences in the X-men world Vaughn created here than in Singers. Not all mind you, but a good number of them.

I really like X1 and love X2, but comparing first films, First Class blows X1 out of the water. Yes, I know X1 had a smaller budget and was made during a time when studios still didn't have much faith in comic films, but it's really about the script and writing here. If this film is any indicator of what we could get next, I think it's highly possible the sequel could be way better than X2. So as far as continuity errors go, I'm ignoring all that BS and looking at Vaughn's X-men films as a stand alone series.

I also don't get the crying from some who hated this film mainly because they didn't get their X4. Face the facts, not only was X3 pretty weak, on a level where I personally didn't want them to continue and can't imagine why others would(unless you actually loved X3, which most seemingly didn't), but then you take into account that they made an Origins film based on the series most popular character right after it. If that wasn't the final nail in the coffin for an X4 then I don't know what is. I'm actually glad they have a new cast because I was getting tired of the other actors. A trilogy is good but usually a fourth film gets tiring with the same characters sometimes.

All in all, I really loved this film and plan on seeing it again in the near future. Thinking back, I think I know what I couldn't put my finger on earlier in regards to how much did this feel or not feel like an X-men film. It was the time it took to get to the actual team. The first half was just as great, but wasn't quite an X-men film yet if that makes sense. The second half is when I truly felt like it was something based on the comics. I think a sequel is going to blow us away.

One last thing. I had a big smile on my face when it panned around and showed Magneto with his suit on. Not only did the material make it look like his original costume, real vintage like, but he even added in the horns/ornament looking thing on the front.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9276/magnetogr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/magnetogr.jpg/)

[Psionic Force]

This movie kicked ass! I loved the nods to the previous X-Men movies and the acting and the story was awesome!

The only things I did not like ...

1. Moira, Banshee and Emma all having no accents
2. The way they came up with the names was a little cheesy

I will probably see this again. Definitely loved it!

[Vilya]

Overall, i didn't like this film as much as i thought i would, camera angles were boring. :(

1) Best action scene is the yatcht being destroyed by Eric's rage.
2) Loved the cameos.
3) Shaw was too powerful, he's not supposed to be able to project energy.
4) Emma was spot on in the looks and powers category but she lacks some depth in character.
5) Hated the magneto costume at the end, very cheesy
6) Young xmen's characters seem rushed, esp the training bits.

[BMM]

One last thing. I had a big smile on my face when it panned around and showed Magneto with his suit on. Not only did the material make it look like his original costume, real vintage like, but he even added in the horns/ornament looking thing on the front.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9276/magnetogr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/magnetogr.jpg/)

I may not be remembering it correctly, but I couldn't believe how faithful the costume was to that of Magneto's first appearances.

[def28]

I thought Emma was awesome. She just had nothing really to do except be a henchman to Shaw. She lacked self motivation. But in the end she was Emma.

Good movie. All the X films have flaws, but I had the best time in this one. Good to see the actors actually looking like they are having a good time.

[I, Shadow]

I loved it, haven't been this impressed since X2. Everyone did a great job, specially Fassbender, he was imposing, scary, tragic and well, Magneto.

Looking forward to the next installment, more mutants, Red Magneto and more historic events influenced by mutants. Hopefully the third class will be set on the 80's or 90's ;)

I also think this should be taken as a standalone story (hopefully a trilogy)

[Godman]

How long does magneto wear the red costume for and how does he get it

whats irritating is how they dont explain the helmet being able to deflect Xavier. the technology is not explained

[Supermanreturns]

A simple stupid question:

In the end, there is Take That's Love Love? And when we can heard it?

Many thanks! :woot:

[Godman]

I loved it, haven't been this impressed since X2. Everyone did a great job, specially Fassbender, he was imposing, scary, tragic and well, Magneto.

Looking forward to the next installment, more mutants, Red Magneto and more historic events influenced by mutants. Hopefully the third class will be set on the 80's or 90's ;)

I also think this should be taken as a standalone story (hopefully a trilogy)

yea if ur a comic fan of X men...just ignore everything you have ever read cause this aint the X Men movie for us die hard comic book fans. its for the fans of the singerverse Xmen that butchered the mythos...

[Godman]

Overall, i didn't like this film as much as i thought i would, camera angles were boring. :(

1) Best action scene is the yatcht being destroyed by Eric's rage.
2) Loved the cameos.
3) Shaw was too powerful, he's not supposed to be able to project energy.
4) Emma was spot on in the looks and powers category but she lacks some depth in character.
5) Hated the magneto costume at the end, very cheesy
6) Young xmen's characters seem rushed, esp the training bits.

Hell at least they had better character development than the previous installments with their stupid love triangle instead of developing cyclops as an individual and not an emotional punching bag for jean and wolverine

other than that i fully agree with everything said. I honestly feel Zack Snyder would have done a better job as he is good at source material and would have given us closer to the comic than ever as fars as being able to fit the cheesy outfits and what not into his type of film key etc. Watchmen costumes would have looked horrible if the movie was shot in standard format like Xmen, but in that weird film noir style and extra gamma contrast look, it worked very well so i do wish they had rebooted the xmen and started properly with the right origin team

[Godman]

Personally, I think people are only bringing this up all the time because Vaughn said that he was kind of going for that. If he never said that, I highly doubt all the people saying that it was like a Bond film would have thought that at all.



Do you hate all the films, or are you just bitter that the continuity is messed up between the films?

i personally am pissed off the contnuity is messed up period as the mythos i grew up reading has still yet to be brought to film. this is some alternate universe ****

[EnDz0n3]

Just came back from 10:30 showing. I've been anticipating this movie ever since its been announced. The sad thing is it was just ok for me. My siblings loved it.

I really hate myself for not loving it. :csad:

[Godman]

Just came back from 10:30 showing. I've been anticipating this movie ever since its been announced. The sad thing is it was just ok for me. My siblings loved it.

I really hate myself for not loving it. :csad:

i didnt LOVE it either...so dont blame u, its the movie studio that failed to still deliver the X Men movie the fans of the comics deserve

[The Demon's Head]

Just clearing a few things up- Agent Stryker is William Stryker's father, and Havok could still be Scott's brother. They call him Alex Summers.

[cryptic name]

Although this movie is extremely entertaining, it's highly flawed on multiple levels. The high points of the movie are undoubtedly Kevin Bacon and Michael Fassbender. But they weren't good as as Sebastian Shaw and Magneto; instead they were perfect for Le Chiffre and James Bond respectfully.

This movie doesn't succeed in being an X-men movie on its own merits, but as a nostalgic homage to the 1960's James Bond films. It's an odd combination to see in a period piece film circa 1962. In fact, this is also where the film falters as well. The clothing, sayings and styles are all representative of the mid to late 1960's, not 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I think more than anything else, this film is being received well because of the similarities to the early Bond films.

The plot (wouldn't mutual hatred of mutants end the cold war?), secondary character interaction, search for mutant montage, and rushed pacing hurt the movie on many levels. This movie will earn Fox a lot of money in the next few weeks. The real question is where do they go from here? Ignore the past X-films? Or yet again walk the line between prequel and reboot?

Completely disagree. This felt like more of an X-Men film to me than any previous attempt. Also, this fits pretty damn well into continuity with the first two films, and I'm more than happy to pretend X3 and Wolverine never happened.

I loved almost everything about this movie. Especially excited for the promise of what a sequel could bring. Fassbender owned this movie top to bottom, but I felt every main character was likeable on some level, and the threats felt real. The relationship between Charles and Erik was great and it really made you feel the tension at the climax of the film. And the ending was pure geek joy.

[EnDz0n3]

To me there were just too many cheesy lines, bad acting and shoddy special effects.

I'm hoping that with repeat viewings, I'll learn to love this film (that's what happened with me with Incredibles)

[Sweet Xstacy]

Saw it today and I loved it! First and foremost I loved James McAvoy's portrayal of Prof. X. But I'm a fan so this is probably not the most unbiased opinion.:yay:


I had a couple of issues but they are small except one.
I'll start with the small ones. There was a scene in the trailer that I really wanted to see in the film. I believe it must have gotten cut. It's the scene where Magneto is outside a building and is lifting up the police cars

The big one. I was not impressed by the fight scenes. They seemed too rushed or too cut up or something. The beach battle scene with Banshee and Angel was a little lightweight for my tastes. I'm surprised because Vaughn usually takes so much care with these in his other films. But oh well.

Overall, though I still loved it because there was a lot of emotion in the acting. As already mention, Prof X. But I really liked Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique. She did a good job. That one scene with her and Beast when he tells her that she is beautiful like that (non blue-skin)[/SPOILER] was messed up. And when Prof. X went to MOIRA to see if she was alright and didn't even ask about her showed me why she ended up being the way she is later on. And Magneto was just a total badass. His story was great and well acted by Fassbender. And the after fight scene even though I knew what was coming I still cried.

So even though it had its flaws it was a fun time at the movies. I could watch it again very soon. 8/10

[LostSon88]

That scene youre talking a out with Magneto and the police cars in the trailer? That wasn't cut.

That's a scene from X1 after they kidnap Rogue at the train station.

[quara33]

I'll start with the small ones. There was a scene in the trailer that I really wanted to see in the film. I believe it must have gotten cut. It's the scene where Magneto is outside a building and is lifting up the police cars

That scene was actually from X-men...it was used in the trailer to illustrate wher Magneto ends up, just like the bit of Xavier in Cerebro. You just can't see McKellen's face in the Magneto clip. (it's just as they're taking Rogue from the train station.

And when Prof. X went to MOIRA to see if she was alright and didn't even ask about her showed me why she ended up being the way she is later on.



The cut-away of Raven's reaction to Xavier's concern for moira was very well done--far better than an on-the-nose piece of dialog would have been. a fantastic example of show-don't-tell, right there.

[LostSon88]

Watched it a second time today and I think I'm going to bump my score from an 8 to a 9. I enjoyed it even more the second time around. Plus the emotional moments of the film really got to me the second time around. I felt Magnetos sadness and anger much more and frankly I totally understand his point of view much better now. Frankly I don't blame him and given the choice within those circumstances? I'd probably join the brotherhood too.

By far though the most intense and heartwrenching part was:

when Xavier got hit with the bullet.

My audienced gasped. Then I got a little choked up when:

Xavier just kept repeating, "I can't feel my legs. I cant feel my legs." as the camera zooms out with the dramatic music playing.

You just felt so bad. :csad:

[Gianakin_]

i personally am pissed off the contnuity is messed up period as the mythos i grew up reading has still yet to be brought to film. this is some alternate universe ****

Thank God. I still can't get over how laughably bad the comics' Phoenix origin is (or how Xavier got crippled). Comics aren't gospel. Talentless people work in the comics industry, on popular characters, making bad choices for them as well.

Continuity issues are there, for sure, but FC may very well go on being a full reboot. Although I think it's worth a shot tying its sequels to the other 4 flicks. The franchise never sank to SM3 or B&R levels, it just got very mediocre. It can be saved, it's already happening. If they get a fantastic X4 and Second Class off the ground, it can be done.

[J.Howlett]

Having seen it a second time last night, I definitely feel that it's below X2 but for reasons outside it's control.

Mainly, Vaughn and company didn't have time to really polish this film. X2 is a polished piece of pop cinema. First Class is a bit rough around the edges and that's mainly due to its schedule. Had Vaughn had another 6 months to work on this film, I think it would've easily equal X2.

By trying to mimic the 60's era Bond films, it has a slight tonal clash with Singer's films but I think it's appropriate. When it gets serious, it's poignant. But, it's not as serious as Singer's films. This is not a knock against it.

From the action side, there's just not a sequence that's as well staged as Nightcrawler's sequence at the White House...let a lone the X Mansion sequence and the rest of the action in X2...but that again has more to do with schedule than Vaughn not having the chops to do it (See Kick Ass).

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

Still, given the time frame Vaughn and company had, this film is still a minor miracle. It's a true prequel to X-Men and X2 and sort of completes the trilogy that Singer started in 2000...in my eyes.

Russell Nash, your posts are on point.

[Gianakin_]

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

Agreed 100%.

[Vilya]

Put back the deleted 1 hour of material and we'll have a real X film :D

And i waited for credits to end..... nothing.......

[roach]

I agree with everyone else that this movie shouldnt have had the fracturing of the friendship....in this movie we saw the start of it. This movie should have been the forming of the team and the friendship...the next movie should have seen the straining of that friendship...and then the last one should have been the breaking of the friendship

[X-Maniac]

I agree with everyone else that this movie shouldnt have had the fracturing of the friendship....in this movie we saw the start of it. This movie should have been the forming of the team and the friendship...the next movie should have seen the straining of that friendship...and then the last one should have been the breaking of the friendship

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

[X-Maniac]

Put back the deleted 1 hour of material and we'll have a real X film :D

And i waited for credits to end..... nothing.......

We posted constantly on here about there being no end credits. I must have written that on here about 50 times since I saw the movie.

Thank God there were no end credits. They are a pain. Sorry you didn't come here and check first.

[craigdbfan]

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

I agree, that would have been a major mistake.

[roach]

Disagree. It's a huge risk to assume a trilogy would happen to allow those events to play out. And i think it worked for the story to show the friendship fracturing and for Xavier to be paralysed. There had to be some kind of conclusion to the film, it had to go somewhere.

i just think that the betrayal would have had more emotion behind it if we saw more of the friendship...in this movie it was over as soon as it had began

lets say we get a trilogy out of this...so whats left to show....another x-men vs brotherhood movie...the events that lead to the disbanding of the team???

[X-Maniac]

Having seen it a second time last night, I definitely feel that it's below X2 but for reasons outside it's control.

Mainly, Vaughn and company didn't have time to really polish this film. X2 is a polished piece of pop cinema. First Class is a bit rough around the edges and that's mainly due to its schedule. Had Vaughn had another 6 months to work on this film, I think it would've easily equal X2.

I think it's fair to say that it, like any film, would benefit from more time. This project in particular was against some serious deadlines, and they should learn from that in future. Fox must now realise that this short time frame isn't helpful. Spider-Man was filming at the same time but isn't out until July 2012


By trying to mimic the 60's era Bond films, it has a slight tonal clash with Singer's films but I think it's appropriate. When it gets serious, it's poignant. But, it's not as serious as Singer's films. This is not a knock against it.

I would agree that the combination of Bond, historical event and superhero adventure is a risk. This is the inherent danger with X-Men - lots of colourful characters with outlandish powers versus a serious underlying theme. I agree this is not quite like Singer's films - it's more fantastical and bold and more kinetic (hence action more frantic and collaborative, rather than focused and individual).

From the action side, there's just not a sequence that's as well staged as Nightcrawler's sequence at the White House...let a lone the X Mansion sequence and the rest of the action in X2...but that again has more to do with schedule than Vaughn not having the chops to do it (See Kick Ass).

The raising of the submarine comes close to being a Magneto moment like the prison escape. But Vaughn largely didn't aim for these solo moments. On the other side, Singer struggled with making them work as a team, whereas Vaughn shows many moments of teamwork and camaraderie.

The pace is just a tad too fast and again, the last 15 minutes, as good as they are and as poignant as they are, could've been held off for a sequel, instead of now. In the context of the situation, it works. But, because we love the chemistry of this cast so much, we really don't want to see the fracture of the mutant community right now. Another adventure with Erik and Xavier before the fracture would've been more appropriate.

I think the fracture had to happen, rather than assume that a sequel or trilogy would definitely be greenlit. There's already been indications that Magneto and Xavier may work together again in future (as in the comics).

And, yes, the pace was fast (at the start especially) and I wouldn't have minded it being longer. The multiple locations didn't help the film to breathe in that regard.

Still, given the time frame Vaughn and company had, this film is still a minor miracle. It's a true prequel to X-Men and X2 and sort of completes the trilogy that Singer started in 2000...in my eyes.

I think it's a very good loose prequel that also sows seeds for a reboot. And, yes, it is a miracle it came together. I think of X3 the same way, with all the production dramas that had. It's testament to Vaughn that he managed a deeper film than X3 in the time.

[X-Maniac]

i just think that the betrayal would have had more emotion behind it if we saw more of the friendship...in this movie it was over as soon as it had began

lets say we get a trilogy out of this...so whats left to show....another x-men vs brotherhood movie...the events that lead to the disbanding of the team???

There have been indications that Xavier and Magneto may be forced to work together again, for example. The comics have shown that they have collaborated, at one point Magneto led the team.

We will almost certainly get a Xavier vs Emma Frost battle on the astral plane next time, as it was cut from this one.

We could see the conception and abandonment of Nightcrawler, taking Mystique's story further along.

We could get Sentinels, Apocalypse, space travel, any number of things. The 60s saw the space race and the moon landing, so involvement with space is a possibility - maybe even a more comic-accurate Phoenix story woven in there? There are lots of possibilities, and for me that's the joy of it all.

[roach]

There have been indications that Xavier and Magneto may be forced to work together again, for example. The comics have shown that they have collaborated, at one point Magneto led the team.

We will almost certainly get a Xavier vs Emma Frost battle on the astral plane next time, as it was cut from this one.

We could see the conception and abandonment of Nightcrawler, taking Mystique's story further along.

We could get Sentinels, Apocalypse, space travel, any number of things. The 60s saw the space race and the moon landing, so involvement with space is a possibility - maybe even a more comic-accurate Phoenix story woven in there? There are lots of possibilities, and for me that's the joy of it all.

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

[X-Maniac]

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

The filmmakers said in an interview that they might work together again. There wouldn't be any indications in this film if it was some sort of surprise crisis that forced it to happen, it's not supposed to be predictable. :whatever:

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

Well, Mystique is now in the company of Azazel. They may be shown to be Nightcrawler's parents, or they may not. But you can't dismiss the possibility as there is nothing to indicate it won't happen.

[Gianakin_]

I didnt see any indications of Xavier and Magneto working together...yes I know they did in the comics but the comics and movies are two different entities(if they were one we'd have the original first class and not a random team put together).

there is no indication that movie Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Just like she didnt raise Rogue.

If X-Men and Magneto worked together in X2, they can certainly work together in Second Class, since they parted in a more-or-less friendly manner.

Plus, I've read that Vaughn is interested in exploring the reprecussions of Charles's exceptional mind, hinting that he could get temporarily mad and become the villain (something I'm VERY much looking forward to seeing), thus Magneto becoming the good guy of sorts, while trying to save his friend at the same time.

Heck, they're not flat out enemies in their first scene in X1, either.

[The Demon's Head]

EDIT: Don't mind me.

[Gianakin_]

Well, Mystique is now in the company of Azazel. They may be shown to be Nightcrawler's parents, or they may not. But you can't dismiss the possibility as there is nothing to indicate it won't happen.

As much as I'd like the to show that, I think that all 4 movies make the romance between Magneto and Mystique too apparent to have her sleep with Azazel. A love triangle between her, Azazel and Magneto is not something I can see happening easily.

Having said that, nothing can stop them from keeping Azazel as Nightcrawler's son, just from a different mother.

[X-Maniac]

If X-Men and Magneto worked together in X2, they can certainly work together in Second Class, since they parted in a more-or-less friendly manner.

Plus, I've read that Vaughn is interested in exploring the reprecussions of Charles's exceptional mind, hinting that he could get temporarily mad and become the villain (something I'm VERY much looking forward to seeing), thus Magneto becoming the good guy of sorts, while trying to save his friend at the same time.

Heck, they're not flat out enemies in their first scene in X1, either.

:applaud

[X-Maniac]

As much as I'd like the to show that, I think that all 4 movies make the romance between Magneto and Mystique too apparent to have her sleep with Azazel. A love triangle between her, Azazel and Magneto is not something I can see happening easily.

Having said that, nothing can stop them from keeping Azazel as Nightcrawler's son, just from a different mother.

Yes, maybe, i was just putting the possibility in there. Whether they go with it is another matter. But this is the swinging 60s, lol.

[Gianakin_]

Yes, maybe, i was just putting the possibility in there. Whether they go with it is another matter. But this is the swinging 60s, lol.

I'd definitely see it happening if they hadn't touched on Mag and Mystique's romance in FC, but now that they did.... It's just that I don't see Azazel as an important enough character to warrant a love triangle or hold any kind of drama (although I love Jason Flemyng, so we're set actor-wise).

[The Demon's Head]

Watch the stand-off between Magneto and the cops in X1, with the knowledge of how Xavier became paralyzed. "Want to press your luck, Charles? I don't think I can stop them all." :o

[Gianakin_]

Watch the stand-off between Magneto and the cops in X1, with the knowledge of how Xavier became paralyzed. "Want to press your luck, Charles? I don't think I can stop them all." :o

Damn, you're right!

[J.Howlett]

Maniac,

I totally agree that the last 15 minutes are technically correct because of the situation presented. We can't assume that a sequel is coming, so Vaughn almost had no choice but to put the characters in their future positions just in case the film tanks. But, because of the fast pace and the great chemistry on display, it feels like we don't get enough of the relationship stuff eventhough we actually do. It's a balancing act that I don't think Vaughn quite cracked...but he came awfully close.

As for the action, yeah, Erik trying to take down the yacht was the closest to anything, action wise to X2. It's a great sequence. I disagree on your comment about Singer not having them work as a team.

As an aside, Jennifer Lawrence's performance killed me even more the second time. Her relationship with Xavier is so sad because all Xavier is trying to do is protect his "sister" the whole film, not truly understanding that having her shielded in that way would kind of prove Erik's point. While her rushing to Erik's bed was a tad fast, character wise, it's money. And Lawrence sells the hell out of her transformation even though you clearly tell that leaving Xavier was a hard choice for her. She still loves him.

I just love the fact that the alteration in Xavier's philosophy stems from his relationship with Raven. Just brilliant stuff

[The Demon's Head]

Damn, you're right! The look on Xavier's face makes it worse. :csad:

"You Homo Sapiens and your guns" is another line that stands out now.

[J.Howlett]

There's a whole lot that stands out on X-Men and X2 after this film. Those two films have been changed forever...

[SuperSoldier985]

The audience at my show started applauding when he walked in with the suit.

Dammit, I need to see this again.
The music and the bars they used during that scene were great as well.

[NinjaCarm]

Well here goes, NinjaCarm's review:

I liked it. A lot. But it had some issues for me. Let me start with my issues. The pacing felt off, wrong, too fast at times. This meant that the weight of the situations didn't feel right, which make things bad. There was some definate cheese. Which I hate.

Also, the musical score?? WTF sometimes!! It was like "Here are the X-Men! Here comes Mighty Mouse to save the day!!" WTF!

That was pretty much it. Pacing, cheesy at times, and score at times made me cringe.

The positives: Felt like an actual X-Men movie for once if that makes any sense. The acting was good for the most part. The Wolverine cameo was great. Mystique was great, IMO. The action was very good most of the time. Good mutant vs. mutant action at the end.

Had a lot going for it, but some definite problems which I get corrected the second time around.

[chamber-music]

I, personally, don't care about the continuity 'issues'. But a lot of the more narrow-thinking, obsessional fanboys seem to be totally hung up on it. i spotted an editorial on the-site-that-cannot-be-named in which commenters tore it apart on continuity grounds and just could not get past it.

The general public, the ones who make the difference in weather or not these movies get made also couldn't give a flying f**k about this. People need to just relax a bit more at these types of film.

I've noticed alot of criticism along the lines of Erik and Charles should have been friends and the end of this film, that would have confused the general public! Sequel or no sequel planned you can't let the gen-pop leave the theatre confused and they would if that movie had of ended with Charles and Erik still best buds. In a sequel they can go back and forth and have thier friendship grow in one respect and disitegrate in another.

Yes fanboys want things spread out over several films but it's just not realistic, unless the films are written(and more ofthen than not filmed) at the same time it's for the best the just concentrate on making one good movie and seeing if the general public decide that it's a franchise worth investing in. if you hold back thinking that you will save things for later films you are more than likely not going to make it to those later films.
Pretty much sums up what I would say these movies have loose continuity if you want to enjoy the films you sort of have to accept that the general public doesn't analyze these movies in minute detail like the fans do.

[kedrell]

After seeing this the 2nd time, I think they would have done themselves more of a favor if this had just been a Chuck & Erik movie and left the formation of the X-Men to the sequel. Then so many of the new mutants wouldn't have felt like they were getting glossed over. This movie throws a lot at you for the amount of time it's on and I just think a more measured and patient approach would have worked better. I saw this with my brother(who isn't a comics fan) and the main thing he told me was that it felt cluttered by too much going on and not enough breathing space to take it all in. Oh and he said he didn't care much for many of the in-jokes/winks either(such as Xavier's going bald remark, etc.) since they kind of break the illusion and remind you that you are watching a movie. I must say, I agree with him.

[ciscostudent561]

Kedrell u better give xmen a higher score or I'll have u ip banned

[SuperSoldier985]

C'mon, alot of those in-jokes in the movie not only fit the scene and the conversations that they were used in, but seriously, it's not that big a deal. They're meant to release the tension and the drama that was otherwise built up at that point.

[roach]

I've noticed alot of criticism along the lines of Erik and Charles should have been friends and the end of this film, that would have confused the general public! Sequel or no sequel planned you can't let the gen-pop leave the theatre confused and they would if that movie had of ended with Charles and Erik still best buds. In a sequel they can go back and forth and have thier friendship grow in one respect and disitegrate in another.

Yes fanboys want things spread out over several films but it's just not realistic, unless the films are written(and more ofthen than not filmed) at the same time it's for the best the just concentrate on making one good movie and seeing if the general public decide that it's a franchise worth investing in. if you hold back thinking that you will save things for later films you are more than likely not going to make it to those later films.

I disagree with this. The GA(General Audience) arent stupid and very few people who have seen this movie didnt see the first set of movies. People know that these guys will be enemies so blow your load on the first movie...because you dont think the movie is gonna make money????
Why make a movie if you dont think its gonna make money?

Do you think the GA knew that Cap, Thor and IM were on a team called the Avengers before IM came out???
The movies built up the hype towards Avengers.
These movies could have built up towards the breaking of the friendship. Allude to the fact that Erik is too full of hate to comply with Xavier's Dream.

[roach]

After seeing this the 2nd time, I think they would have done themselves more of a favor if this had just been a Chuck & Erik movie and left the formation of the X-Men to the sequel. Then so many of the new mutants wouldn't have felt like they were getting glossed over. This movie throws a lot at you for the amount of time it's on and I just think a more measured and patient approach would have worked better. I saw this with my brother(who isn't a comics fan) and the main thing he told me was that it felt cluttered by too much going on and not enough breathing space to take it all in. Oh and he said he didn't care much for many of the in-jokes/winks either(such as Xavier's going bald remark, etc.) since they kind of break the illusion and remind you that you are watching a movie. I must say, I agree with him.

I agree with this.

[tedw]

After seeing this the 2nd time, I think they would have done themselves more of a favor if this had just been a Chuck & Erik movie and left the formation of the X-Men to the sequel. Then so many of the new mutants wouldn't have felt like they were getting glossed over.

Never would have happened - I think the studio realizes that a big draw is the "pick 'n mix" of mutants, which is why a movie about Wolverine heavily featured a group of mutants in its promotional material. No matter who the film is about, there must always be a supporting cast of mutant characters in an effort to draw the crowds.

I do think it's a bit of a shame that First Class focuses so little on the actual first class... perhaps narrowing their choice of recruits to three, instead of six, could've left more room for future additions and given those three more development time.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I liked it, despite a few continuity issues with the other films. A couple line changes here and there could've easily fixed up several of those, but it is what it is.

[kedrell]

Never would have happened - I think the studio realizes that a big draw is the "pick 'n mix" of mutants, which is why a movie about Wolverine heavily featured a group of mutants in its promotional material. No matter who the film is about, there must always be a supporting cast of mutant characters in an effort to draw the crowds.

I do think it's a bit of a shame that First Class focuses so little on the actual first class... perhaps narrowing their choice of recruits to three, instead of six, could've left more room for future additions and given those three more development time.

I think fox THINKS the big draw is that. But since when do they understand anything about telling a good story? But you're right, they never would have green-lit a Chuck & Erik movie. Oh well.

[roach]

I liked it, despite a few continuity issues with the other films. A couple line changes here and there could've easily fixed up several of those, but it is what it is.

the biggest for me being in X-men its mentioned that Magneto knew what to do to sabotage cerebro because he helped Xavier build it....where as in FC Hank builds it by himself

[JP]

Think I'll see this a 3rd time today. :)

[kedrell]

Me too.

[S.A.A.D.]

If Shaw was really powerful then he wouldn't have gotten his butt handed to him so easily in the movie. What the hell happened? He really didn't try to stop Magneto before he freezed up. He became a weak villain imo.

[tedw]

I think fox THINKS the big draw is that. But since when do they understand anything about telling a good story? But you're right, they never would have green-lit a Chuck & Erik movie. Oh well.

Good point - I didn't mean that a big group of mutants IS a must, but the studio certainly believes it to be.

In a way, adding more mutants does have an appeal, because if you love Jean Grey and I love Storm and both are in the movie, we're both likely to want to see it. If a movie only stars Magneto and I despise Magneto, they've potentially lost my ticket money. It's just a shame that mutants get stuffed in based on visual appeal without regard to making them an important or interesting character (pretty much the entirety of Magneto's army in X3, and quite a lot of the young recruits in XMFC).

[roach]

Good point - I didn't mean that a big group of mutants IS a must, but the studio certainly believes it to be.

In a way, adding more mutants does have an appeal, because if you love Jean Grey and I love Storm and both are in the movie, we're both likely to want to see it. If a movie only stars Magneto and I despise Magneto, they've potentially lost my ticket money. It's just a shame that mutants get stuffed in based on visual appeal without regard to making them an important or interesting character (pretty much the entirety of Magneto's army in X3, and quite a lot of the young recruits in XMFC).

I dont think this is true....using your example if I was a fan of Cyclops I wouldnt see this movie cause he isnt in it

[tedw]

I dont think this is true....using your example if I was a fan of Cyclops I wouldnt see this movie cause he isnt in it

I'm not sure what you disagree with, exactly.

My point was that I think Fox thinks, and partially rightly so, that having more characters in there draws more fans of those individual characters. I don't think that's the only reason people go to see the movie, but I think it can help for certain people.

[yoyobaby]

So, is Alex Summers his father now? 'Cause it seems to me that Cyclops could only have been recruted in the 1980's.

[Vilya]

If Shaw was really powerful then he wouldn't have gotten his butt handed to him so easily in the movie. What the hell happened? He really didn't try to stop Magneto before he freezed up. He became a weak villain imo.

Once the helmet was removed, Charles could control his mind and switch off his abilities, thats why professor X is among the most powerful mutants on earth.

[kedrell]

You gotta wonder why Erik didn't just yank Shaw's helmet off immediately. Why did he need to manipulate a piece of metal to yoink his helmet off his head? Isn't the helmet made of metal?

[Vilya]

Yeah, i was thinking the same thing

[By your Command]

7. It's weird how a lot of people here were comparing this movie to "The Dark Knight", I think of it more as "Batman Begins", which I must admit I really didn't care for back then (or now), but the second I walked out I thought that a sequel for it would be really good, which is in some ways what I wish for the sequel to "First Class".

[The Joker]

9/10 for me.

Loved it. Solid acting all around. Particular praise for Fassbender and McEvoy who made the movie. The action was great. The story was very engaging. I loved the humor, particularly the cameo from a certain someone which just brought the house down with laughter.

X-Men badly needed this movie after the duds that X-3 and Wolverine were.

[RetroNaz]

You gotta wonder why Erik didn't just yank Shaw's helmet off immediately. Why did he need to manipulate a piece of metal to yoink his helmet off his head? Isn't the helmet made of metal?

I can only guess it wasn't actually "metal" and was something else given that it can block people from reading minds.

Either that, or that's a question we're not suppose to ask ;)

[kedrell]

If it was more like a ceramic or polymer or something like that, then I'd would've needed only a 5-second bit of dialogue to explain it and whalla! no more questions.

[Deaths Head II]

There are a few inconsistencies in the movie. Like why Azazel didn't teleport everyone off the island when the missiles were coming despite the fact it was shown over and over again he can teleport groups of people over great distances. At the very least he should have saved his own group and left the X-Men to die.

[By your Command]

Or why Emma didn't escape from captivity.

[kedrell]

I chalk a lot of that stuff up to the rushed script & production. Had they had more time, they would have been addressed.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

yea if ur a comic fan of X men...just ignore everything you have ever read cause this aint the X Men movie for us die hard comic book fans. its for the fans of the singerverse Xmen that butchered the mythos...

I am a hardcore fan of the X-Men comics, and I love Singer's 2 films, the sequel and prequel that followed, and First Class.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still can't get over how was this film was. Defenitely the best since X2, IMO.

[Sweet Xstacy]

That scene was actually from X-men...it was used in the trailer to illustrate wher Magneto ends up, just like the bit of Xavier in Cerebro. You just can't see McKellen's face in the Magneto clip. (it's just as they're taking Rogue from the train station.





The cut-away of Raven's reaction to Xavier's concern for moira was very well done--far better than an on-the-nose piece of dialog would have been. a fantastic example of show-don't-tell, right there.


Oh snap!

[Figs]

i personally am pissed off the contnuity is messed up period as the mythos i grew up reading has still yet to be brought to film. this is some alternate universe ****

So you're one of those fans that won't be happy until you see a movie where it's frame for frame like the comic panels...ok.

Having it be exactly like the comics does not guarantee it being a good movie. Also, it's funny when people ***** about continuity with the films, yet don't realize how messed up the continuity can be in the comics at times.

I get that people wanted to see the original five members in this movie, but that's just fanboy wishes. Honestly, answer this. How would that have made the movie better, not in terms of accuracy, but in terms of being a great movie?

[Nemi]

7. It's weird how a lot of people here were comparing this movie to "The Dark Knight", I think of it more as "Batman Begins", which I must admit I really didn't care for back then (or now), but the second I walked out I thought that a sequel for it would be really good, which is in some ways what I wish for the sequel to "First Class".

I think Vaughn said something similar himself. That this film was about setting the characters up and their origins then in the sequel he can just go all out like in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

[Gianakin_]

Actually, having the original members would've been worse for them, since the focus of the movie was on 3 characters more or less. It's better that they got lesser known mutants for this.

[Figs]

Anyone else just a tad bit disappointed that they took out the scene from the trailer, where he makes the Russian soldier take out his knife and stab himself? That scene looked so badass in the trailer, and I was surprised it didn't make it in the final film.

Honestly, as long as this film was, it didn't feel like it. The pacing was pretty damn good.

[chamber-music]

the biggest for me being in X-men its mentioned that Magneto knew what to do to sabotage cerebro because he helped Xavier build it....where as in FC Hank builds it by himself
Hank builds the orginal version which is destroyed by Riptide. Nothing to say he won't help build future versions we see like the bigger version in the other X-Men movies

[Gianakin_]

Anyone else just a tad bit disappointed that they took out the scene from the trailer, where he makes the Russian soldier take out his knife and stab himself? That scene looked so badass in the trailer, and I was surprised it didn't make it in the final film.

Agreed. And as much as I love the SW Prequels, this is how Anakin should've been in action.

[By your Command]

Speaking of SW prequels - Moira/Padme choking.

[By your Command]

I think Vaughn said something similar himself. That this film was about setting the characters up and their origins then in the sequel he can just go all out like in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

I'm cool with that.

[Gianakin_]

Speaking of SW prequels - Moira/Padme choking.

Heh, I thought so as well!

[Doctor Jones]

Actually, having the original members would've been worse for them, since the focus of the movie was on 3 characters more or less. It's better that they got lesser known mutants for this.

And the ironic thing is that if they kept the original five, people would ***** about continuity from the other films.

You can't win. This is why you need to pick the right people at the get go who know what they're doing and can make the right decisions. Because no matter what with comic book fans, you can't win with them. So there's no point in listening to one opinion.

Just focus on making a great film. And Figs raises a great point, if they had kept the original five, would that make it a better movie? I don't think so at all. It depends on how a story is told. And that goes for comic book films. Yes, they're based on comics, but it is a film at the end of the day. You do what works for the medium.

[co2]

X-men Begins is Redemption for X-fans for sure. One of the best Marvel films. I'd rank it right behind X2 as far as the X-films go.

[Schlosser85]

Just got back from seeing this.

Full review pending but some initial impressions:

- Better than X3, better than X1, as good as or possibly better than X2, ranking very highly for me in the series

- really liked McAvoy, Fassbender whipped all kinds of ass, really enjoyed Bacon as Shaw, Jennifer Lawrence and Rose Byrne were the other standouts to me

- loved the almost Western-style standoff and intensity of Argentina scene

- the whole build-up to the climax was epic

- was not expecting the coin through Shaw's head. That was kind of a "whoa" moment.

- Magneto raising sub = epic

- teared up when Charles unlocked Erik's memory of his mother and when Erik accidentally crippled Charles

- loved the whole international epic blending history and fantasy scope of it

Minor nitpicks:

- Havok, Banshee, Darwin, and Angel really undeveloped, Angel's switching sides felt really random

- Beast's makeup looked a little rubbery and like Hoult could barely move his face

- Magneto's full costume at the end was too bright and gaudy

[storyteller]

Angel - Only knew these folks for a few hours. She was not their team mate and not their friend. I don't give a whole lot of loyalty to people I just met. But if 3 powerful people just destroyed a cia facility........I may go with them.

Magnetos helmet? Did they ever say it was ever metal? No you simply assumed it was.


Why did frost never escape?
Well she was captured in the first place. She probably didn't think she would win round 3 with Magneto and X. Hell maybe she just knew patience because she didn't seem the least bit flustered. Shaw beat the CIA to hell in mere minutes. She probably thought he would come for her.


I think less rushed script and more like some folks really need everything spelled out for them.

[By your Command]

I think less rushed script and more like some folks really need everything spelled out for them.

I can somewhat agree with what you're saying about Angel, but the Emma Frost situation was just about not knowing how to get her out of Cuba, or keeping her for a potential sequel.

[Bren]

I could imagine they could easily have shown Magneto' silhouette (with helmet) as they broke into Frost's cell, and Frost say something like "Sebastian, what took you so long... And then see it's Magneto

Would explain she was waiting for him. Pity we didn't get something to explain it. Personally, I thought she made it clear she could escape anytime, which should have got the CIA guys seriously worried.

Regarding Cerebro, I can easily see guilt for what happened to Xavier make Magneto help him (and Beast, probably) built the 2nd and current Cerebro. Of course, guilt does wear off eventually....

[ALP]

Magnetos helmet? Did they ever say it was ever metal? No you simply assumed it was.


Why did frost never escape?
Well she was captured in the first place. She probably didn't think she would win round 3 with Magneto and X. Hell maybe she just knew patience because she didn't seem the least bit flustered. Shaw beat the CIA to hell in mere minutes. She probably thought he would come for her.


I think less rushed script and more like some folks really need everything spelled out for them.

LMAO...seriously, just LMAO.


You patronize people by telling them what they simply 'assume' and then go on to list a bunch of 'possible' 'maybe' assumptions of why Frost never escaped....all in one post.

:lmao:

[roach]

I dont think I need everything spelled out but I need some reason why a powerful telepath would stay in prison

[SuperSoldier985]

I think less rushed script and more like some folks really need everything spelled out for them.
Oh, did you work on the movie? :o

[Piz]

I think they should have saved the ending scene where Magneto infiltrated the CIA to free Emma for after the credits... just so they'd have an after credits scene, lol.

[SuperSoldier985]

I dont think I need everything spelled out but I need some reason why a powerful telepath would stay in prison
Well, she's playing it smart and safe and biding her time it seemed.

[ALP]

I think they should have saved the ending scene where Magneto infiltrated the CIA to free Emma for after the credits... just so they'd have an after credits scene, lol.

Hell no. I hate these after credit scenes, completely useless waste of time. Thank god they did not make me wait 10 minutes of droning credits to see a single one minute scene. I hate being compelled to stay for those...

[By your Command]

A friend of mine told me that it would have been better if they explained in the movie that while she was a telepath, she had mild brain damage, and that's why she couldn't escape, she just didn't know what to do without Shaw, while I laughed, I think that would have been a great and completely unexpected explanation.

[X-Maniac]

I dont think I need everything spelled out but I need some reason why a powerful telepath would stay in prison

It was pretty obvious she was utterly confident that Shaw would succeed in his plans and was just biding her time. Her arrogant/supremacist thinking is shown when she cuts the glass and says what she says.

[kedrell]

Still, it makes one wonder why she would choose to stay there.

[X-Maniac]

Still, it makes one wonder why she would choose to stay there.

Because she was biding her time, confident that Shaw would succeed (as indicated in her dialogue) and then come for her. To get from Russia to Cuba would be better with the aid of Azazel than trying to get there on her own.

[tedw]

Because she was biding her time, confident that Shaw would succeed (as indicated in her dialogue) and then come for her. To get from Russia to Cuba would be better with the aid of Azazel than trying to get there on her own.

It's not "obvious" if there are people who question it. It may have been their suggestion, but perhaps it didn't come across as well as they intended.

That, or you think people are more stupid than you.

[kedrell]

Because she was biding her time, confident that Shaw would succeed (as indicated in her dialogue) and then come for her. To get from Russia to Cuba would be better with the aid of Azazel than trying to get there on her own.

I thought she was in DC as a guest/prisoner of the CIA.

[X-Maniac]

It's not "obvious" if there are people who question it. It may have been their suggestion, but perhaps it didn't come across as well as they intended.

I feel pretty sure that Vaughn/Goldman/Singer intended what i thought, because none of them would just leave a plothole. Her dialogue is the key, and her cutting a circle to say it..it's just the act of someone who is very sure of victory.

That, or you think people are more stupid than you.

Well, common sense dictates that some people will be more stupid. On forums, it's hard to determine through the murky mist of anonymity. I might be speaking to an eight-year-old child for all I know, we aren't all of equal age, education and maturity. I don't mean this to come off as 'attitude' in any way here, but I'm just saying that some people don't 'get' things. We had someone on here believing that Xavier was telekinetically holding a bullet from the cop's head in X1, and another believing Storm was part of the original comics line-up. I wouldn't go so far as to make accusations of 'stupidity' but they were wrong, quite clearly...

[X-Maniac]

I thought she was in DC as a guest/prisoner of the CIA.

That's true. At that point she was beneath the CIA HQ, you're right. But still, the argument that she was awaiting Shaw or Azazel stands as sound and logical reasoning, wherever she was located.

[roach]

I thought it was pretty evident in the scene where she had to get ice for his drink that he didnt care about her...and it seemed like she understood it in that scene...so why would she expect him to come and get her.

[kedrell]

Ok, how are they supposed to know where she is so Azazel can come get her? Magneto knew because he helped apprehend her.

[X-Maniac]

I thought it was pretty evident in the scene where she had to get ice for his drink that he didnt care about her...and it seemed like she understood it in that scene...so why would she expect him to come and get her.

But do we know if he would abandon her? I think you're overthinking, you just have to interpret what she said and did, which implied she was sure Shaw would succeed. 'War implies both sides have an equal chance of winning.'

[tedw]

I feel pretty sure that Vaughn/Goldman/Singer intended what i thought, because none of them would just leave a plothole. Her dialogue is the key, and her cutting a circle to say it..it's just the act of someone who is very sure of victory.

You may feel sure, but it's still just your assumption, and you were stating it as though it was a fact.

Well, common sense dictates that some people will be more stupid. On forums, it's hard to determine through the murky mist of anonymity. I might be speaking to an eight-year-old child for all I know, we aren't all of equal age, education and maturity. I don't mean this to come off as 'attitude' in any way here, but I'm just saying that some people don't 'get' things.

Thinking people are stupid might not be 'attitude', but telling people that what you assume/believe is "obvious" as though it's a cold, hard fact seems like 'attitude'.

Mistakes happen. Filmmakers, even the best of them, can leave plotholes or screw continuity. People look at stuff like Iceman not freezing the wall of water in X2 and call it a plothole, and make up any number of reasons why he didn't. They're still just assumptions. Even if the filmmakers did intend a reason, if the way they portrayed it caused a number of people to question it then perhaps they could have done it a bit better. Stating that there's an obvious reason and that anyone who doesn't "get it" is stupid just seems arrogant, I'm sorry.

[X-Maniac]

Ok, how are they supposed to know where she is so Azazel can come get her? Magneto knew because he helped apprehend her.

I think someone like Shaw would soon find that out.

[ALP]

I feel pretty sure that Vaughn/Goldman/Singer intended what i thought, because none of them would just leave a plothole. Her dialogue is the key, and her cutting a circle to say it..it's just the act of someone who is very sure of victory.

Yeah like why Az didn't just teleport himself or anyone else off the island when all of the nukes were coming at them. He either had a lot of faith in someone he knows nothing about or maybe he just spaced out and was ready to die so he just stood there like a stoned idiot:awesome:

[kedrell]

I think someone like Shaw would soon find that out.


Kind of just leaving it hanging out there in the wind for my tastes but ok.

[craigdbfan]

Yeah like why Az didn't just teleport himself or anyone else off the island when all of the nukes were coming at them. He either had a lot of faith in someone he knows nothing about or maybe he just spaced out and was ready to die so he just stood there like a stoned idiot:awesome:

That's actually a good point.

Magneto did have to live up to his little monologue but that is putting a lot of faith on someone you don't really know.

Then again he did kill Shaw and maybe that was enough proof? Or they all froze because seeing an onslaught of missiles is sort of shocking.

[X-Maniac]

You may feel sure, but it's still just your assumption, and you were stating it as though it was a fact.

I'm interpreting the actions and dialogue shown on screen, and quite happy in my interpretation. To me it seemed the obvious interpretation. I'm happy that I'm happy with my answer.

Many things in many films could be spelled out more. But I saw this scene as indicating she was confident of Shaw's victory and happy to 'wait it out' while the nuclear armageddon happened. Until someone like Vaughn offers the 'official' explanation, I'm happy with mine.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Its actually very possible that a film maker like singer or Vaughn could leave a plot hole. Nobody is perfect. Singer has done plenty already in his x men films. If the whole Emma ordeal is a plot hole, its certainly one that doesn't detract from the experience for me.