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[danoyse]

Just take the discussion off the review thread -

If you've already seen the movie and you want to discuss it or ask about spoilers, feel free to do it here.

Please be sure to still use spoiler tags until the movie is officially released.

However: enter at your own risk. It's a spoiler thread, so don't complain if you come in here and find out something you didn't want to know...

Discuss away!

[Sweet Xstacy]

Just take the discussion off the review thread -

If you've already seen the movie and you want to discuss it or ask about spoilers, feel free to do it here.

Please be sure to still use spoiler tags until the movie is officially released.

However: enter at your own risk. It's a spoiler thread, so don't complain if you come in here and find out something you didn't want to know...

Discuss away!

Thank you very much.

[marvelrobbins]

So for anyone who has seen it
Do you think they could with spoiler of Cyclops as child
get away with saying X-Men/X2 take place In 1990's and In sequel If they wanted to jump ahead to late 70's use teenage Cyclops

[RealIrOnMaN]

So for anyone who has seen it
Do you think they could with spoiler of Cyclops as child
get away with saying X-Men/X2 take place In 1990's and In sequel If they wanted to jump ahead to late 70's use teenage Cyclops
Sure, why not.

[joshthesmart]

How long does magneto wear the red costume for and how does he get it

[RealIrOnMaN]

How long does magneto wear the red costume for and how does he get it
In the end of the movie. One minute approximately. Not explained. Same goes for how the helmet became red & sht.

[Boom]

RealIrOnMaN,

Could you describe Magneto's red costume to the best of your ability?

[Lord]

If anybody has in least the script can they send it to me?

[danoyse]

If anybody has in least the script can they send it to me?

No, because it's copyrighted and you can't ask for it here.

[marvelrobbins]

So
Another board has member saying Jennifer Lawrence when she Is In Magneto's room In Mansion attempts to seduce him as we partly can see In B role of BTS and she morphs Into Rebecca Romijn breifly before morphing back to lawrence and then Into Mystique's blue form as seen In trailers.Is this true?

[Storm22]

RealIrOnMaN - what are the FX like in the movie? Are they of the same quality standard of the Trilogy or are there any bad FX like Wolverine?

[RealIrOnMaN]

RealIrOnMaN,

Could you describe Magneto's red costume to the best of your ability?
A mix of the one from X-Men I and X2, but more purple-like & bright + kinda resembles Jim Lee's version of the costume.

[RealIrOnMaN]

So
Another board has member saying Jennifer Lawrence when she Is In Magneto's room In Mansion attempts to seduce him as we partly can see In B role of BTS and she morphs Into Rebecca Romijn breifly before morphing back to lawrence and then Into Mystique's blue form as seen In trailers.Is this true?
Yes. If my eyes didn't deceived me - yes!

[Supermanreturns]

RealIM you're a God :woot: Three questions for you:

1. We all know what the Wolverine's cameo is. You mention Cyclops' cameo.Where he is it? And what's doing?
2. There is the Rebecca Romijn's cameo (Jennifer Lawrence turning into her)?
3. Other mutants mentioned/cameo?

Early thanks.

[RealIrOnMaN]

RealIronMan - what are the FX like in the movie? Are they of the same quality standard of the Trilogy or are there any bad FX like Wolverine?
Better than the trilogy's one & especially the craptacular Wolvering Origins) It was pretty bizarre & neat) Loved all Magneto, Shaw & Emma Frost stuff)

[RealIrOnMaN]

RealIM you're a God :woot: Three questions for you:

1. We all know what the Wolverine's cameo is. You mention Cyclops' cameo.Where he is it? And what's doing?
2. There is the Rebecca Romijn's cameo (Jennifer Lawrence turning into her)?
3. Other mutants mentioned/cameo?

Early thanks.
1) Charles is trying the Cerebro on for the first time. And while he keeps searching for the mutants, there's a fast glimpse of little Storm and a kid with red glasses (Cyclops obviously).

2) Yes

3) A lot) Storm, Cyclops, Striker's son, Wolverine & maybe more, that I've probably missed or something)

[Supermanreturns]

1) Charles is trying the Cerebro on for the first time. And while he keeps searching for the mutants, there's a fast glimpse of little Storm and a kid with red glasses (Cyclops obviously).

2) Yes

3) A lot) Storm, Cyclops, Striker's son, Wolverine & maybe more, that I've probably missed or something)

Thank you, you're the man!:woot:

[Great Mind(s)]

Stryker's son as in Jason or as in William Stryker?

[Lord]

Don't tell me what it is or the finalle from the film but i would like to know if there is a post credits scenne.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Don't tell me what it is or the finalle from the film but i would like to know if there is a post credits scenne.
No after-credits scene.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Stryker's son as in Jason or as in William Stryker?
Yeah, I guess it's him. Not a pro on the names, but Xavier definitely mentioned Stryker's son.

[Great Mind(s)]

Does Magneto help Xavier with Cerebro at all?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Does Magneto help Xavier with Cerebro at all?
Nah, Charlie is doing it all by himself)

[Great Mind(s)]

Well that's not cool. why even call this a prequel if nothing about it is a prequel?

[Lord]

So far the spoilers weren't too big, only those minor ones i like to know when i'm exited for a movie.

[The Demon's Head]

When do we see Jason Stryker?

[RealIrOnMaN]

When do we see Jason Stryker?
We don't. There just a mention of him.

[Supermanreturns]

Other bunch of questions:

1. Mention to Quicksilver, Polaris, Scarlet Witch or Magda by Xavier?
2. Muir Island appears or is mentioned?
3. Toad and Sabretooth are mentioned or appears?
4. Sometimes ago there was a rumor about Azazel said to Mystique that she has "his son" (Nightcrawler nod). There is that scene? Is mentioned the possibility of Nigtcrawler, son of Azazel and Mystique?

[joshthesmart]

How long is the final battle and does the hellsfireclub have alot of screen time

[RealIrOnMaN]

How long is the final battle and does the hellsfireclub have alot of screen time
It's long & they have enough of screen time!

[RealIrOnMaN]

Other bunch of questions:

1. Mention to Quicksilver, Polaris, Scarlet Witch or Magda by Xavier?
2. Muir Island appears or is mentioned?
3. Toad and Sabretooth are mentioned or appears?
4. Sometimes ago there was a rumor about Azazel said to Mystique that she has "his son" (Nightcrawler nod). There is that scene? Is mentioned the possibility of Nigtcrawler, son of Azazel and Mystique?
1-4) No. No possibilities about Nightcrawler. Mystique is Magneto's chick, like totally)

[S.A.A.D.]

@ RealIrOnMaN.

1. Is there alot of action?

2. How much screen time doe's White Queen, Angel, and Mystique get?

3. Is there bad humor?

4. Is there quote worthy lines?

5. Is Magneto's classic suit basically fabric based?

[The Demon's Head]

So, is Agent Stryker from the "Magic tric" scene supposed to be William Stryker?

[LuisTX85]

what's Wolverine's cameo??

[Lord]

Is the Stryker's son mention about him having been charles student or his possible future student?

[RealIrOnMaN]

@ RealIrOnMaN.

1. Is there alot of action?

2. How much screen time doe's White Queen, Angel, and Mystique get?

3. Is there bad humor?

4. Is there quote worthy lines?

5. Is Magneto's classic suit basically fabric based?
1) A lot! Man, I was excited throughout the whole movie!
2) White Queen & Mystique get a big amount of time, Angel - enough amount & some nifty action pieces.
3) No, not at all. It's really funny & hilarious (no Facebook jokes or annoying Kat Dennings around).
4) Yeah, depends on who's your favorite character)

[RealIrOnMaN]

So, is Agent Stryker from the "Magic tric" scene supposed to be William Stryker?
Yes.

[RealIrOnMaN]

what's Wolverine's cameo??

Xavier & Eric are looking for some new recruits & mutants with the help of Cerebro and Wolverine was one of them. They've found him & tried to approach him, but he, in his famous manner, told them to go to hell)

[RealIrOnMaN]

Is the Stryker's son mention about him having been charles student or his possible future student?
Neither. Just a single mention, because Stryker has said something unpleasant about Charlie & the mutant community overall & Xavier needed to fire back)

[S.A.A.D.]

1) A lot! Man, I was excited throughout the whole movie!
2) White Queen & Mystique get a big amount of time, Angel - enough amount & some nifty action pieces.
3) No, not at all. It's really funny & hilarious (no Facebook jokes or annoying Kat Dennings around).
4) Yeah, depends on who's your favorite character)

Thank you! :yay:

I guess that you want to keep the fifth question a surprise, huh?

[Lord]

Ok, so it's possible Jason will be featured in a sequel.
I'm really liking what i know from this movie.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Thank you! :yay:

I guess that you want to keep the fifth question a surprise, huh?
Yup)

[Lord]

Another question, did you think this film was in the top 3 best comic book adaptations?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Ok, so it's possible Jason will be featured in a sequel.
I'm really liking what i know from this movie.
I hope so. Would be cool to see Xavier take all the blame for not being able to help him & handle him, as one of his many students.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Another question, did you think this film was in the top 3 best comic book adaptations?
Dunno, about the top 3. I just know, that I've liked this movie & it's one of the best X-Men-related movies I've ever seen.

[LuisTX85]

Xavier & Eric are looking for some new recruits & mutants with the help of Cerebro and Wolverine was one of them. They've found him & tried to approach him, but he, in his famous manner, told them to go to hell)

is it Hugh Jackman??,I'm guessing this is pre-mind swipe bullet to the head Logan?.....But so Xavier&Magneto knows about Logan/Wolverine before the events in the trilogy But they never said anything about it and acted like they just met him during the first movie!?!?

[Lord]

Now, was Charles and Erik's relationship really shattered to the point they separated in the end?

[RealIrOnMaN]

is it Hugh Jackman??,I'm guessing this is pre-mind swipe bullet to the head Logan?.....But so Xavier&Magneto knows about Logan/Wolverine before the events in the trilogy But they never said anything about it and acted like they just met him during the first movie!?!?
Yes, it's our boy Hugh) We still have First Class sequel & threequel for that, so no worries.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Now, was Charles and Erik's relationship really shattered to the point they separated in the end?
Yes.

[Lord]

Does the film dicard X-3 and Wolverine out of continuity?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Does the film dicard X-3 and Wolverine out of continuity?
Lol, I don't know, but I hope it did)

[LuisTX85]

Yes, it's our boy Hugh) We still have First Class sequel & threequel for that, so no worries.

That's cool about Hugh,But no matter what they do in a sequel.....They can't explain why they ignore knowing him in the first movie,Only way would be in an X-Men 4 with Mags saying there was a good reason for it,Same with Victor/Sabertooth and Logan/Wolverine!!!!

[Booznian]

Quick question,

How does Xavier get crippled in the film?

[wonderland]

1) Does Raven really seduce Erik?
2) Is Moira a doctor or just CIA agent?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Quick question,

How does Xavier get crippled in the film?
Magneto goes apes**t on Russians & Americans in the end of the movie, by trying to send the missiles on their ships & destroy them. Moira is trying to stop Eric, by shooting at him from the pistol, but Eric reflects her bullets & one of the bullets goes into Charles' spine.

[RealIrOnMaN]

1) Does Raven really seduce Erik?
2) Is Moira a doctor or just CIA agent?
1) Yes, she does)
2) CIA Agent

[Great Mind(s)]

So basically, it's a complete reboot...

[wonderland]

RealIrOnMaN, thnx)

Great Mind(s), my thoughts exactly.

[LuisTX85]

Seems like a half cannon&half re-boot,Kinda like Star Trek But that one had time-travel!!

[psyonic]

Magneto goes apes**t on Russians & Americans in the end of the movie, by trying to send the missiles on their ships & destroy them. Moira is trying to stop Eric, by shooting at him from the pistol, but Eric reflects her bullets & one of the bullets goes into Charles' spine.

That homosapien and her gun! *shakes fist*

[X Knight]

ok, some questions.........


1. I've read in some reviews that there is a love triangle between Mystique and Xavier and Magneto, and I've read here that Mystique tries to seduce Magneto.

What is the age difference between Mystique and Xavier and Magneto? Does the age difference border on being "creepy" ( since Mystique is a student and is younger )?

2. Also, how powerful and bada** is Magneto in the film?

3. Finally, there's a scene in the trailers of a guy "blowing up" the Hellfire Mansion. Is that Mags?

[joshthesmart]

Is beast and aziel fight good

[RealIrOnMaN]

ok, some questions.........


1. I've read in some reviews that there is a love triangle between Mystique and Xavier and Magneto, and I've read here that Mystique tries to seduce Magneto.

What is the age difference between Mystique and Xavier and Magneto? Does the age difference border on being "creepy" ( since Mystique is a student and is younger )?

2. Also, how powerful and bada** is Magneto in the film?

3. Finally, there's a scene in the trailers of a guy "blowing up" the Hellfire Mansion. Is that Mags?

1) No, the difference in age was unnoticeable (well, at least for me).
2) VERY POWERFUL & BREAKING ALL THE SHT UP!
3) I don't remember that scene.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Is beast and aziel fight good
Well, it was kinda fast & not that great.

[protocida]

Emma Frost, Azazel and Riptide. Do they die? Get arrested? Join Magneto? Join the X-Men?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Emma Frost, Azazel and Riptide. Do they die? Get arrested? Join Magneto? Join the X-Men?
No, they join Magneto.

[protocida]

Neat.

[marvelrobbins]

4 Quick questions

1:Does It appear as prequel to Just X-Men and X2 but takes libieties with what was said In dialogue about the past?
2:Does Emma Frost seduce any guy when doing sebastan Shaw's bidding?
3:Is William Stryker the Young Cia Agent In the clip?
4:Does Angel also join with Magneto?

Thanks for these answers you have been giving.It gives good Feeling on why
this can challenge X2 as best X film and gives an Idea on why Matthew
Vaughn only wants to bring In one new character for the sequel.

[The Wizard]

Question:

Describe what happens immediately after Charles is hit by the bullet that leads to his paralysis. Describe Charles and Erik's final scene together. What is the film's final scene?

[The Batman]

So Cyclops, along with Wolverine, has officially been in every x-film. which is funny considering how much they treat him like an afterthought. Oh yeah, how is the relationship between moira and charles? I know the romance was scrapped, but are there hints to it? Do McaVoy and Bryne have chemistry?

[Schlosser85]

Does Sebastian Shaw die? If so, does Magneto kill him? Does he kill him in the mirrored room? Is this before or after the scene on the beach with the missiles?

[Schlosser85]

Does the movie show Mystique leaving Charles' team to join Magneto?

[SuperSoldier985]

I haven't seen it yet, but I saw this comment today from someone who has:

Just out of X-Men First Class. Best in the series, better than X2, and best Marvel movie to date. (http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/202668608/p1/?25)

[Spidey 2007]

So, a quick non spoilery question,

Is there an "after the credits scene" by chance? Im not expecting one, but given X3 and wolverine had them... figure id ask.

[danoyse]

So, a quick non spoilery question,

Is there an "after the credits scene" by chance? Im not expecting one, but given X3 and wolverine had them... figure id ask.

No, there's no after-credits scene.

[Spidey 2007]

Anther quicky I just thought of lol

Does the X on the 20th cen. Fox logo stay lit for a split second?

Any Voiceover to start it off the movie? You can answer with spoiler tags if necessary.

[The Wizard]

My question's on the third page, so here it is again:

Describe the events during and after Charles is paralyzed by the bullet. Describe Charles and Erik's final scene. What is the final scene of the film? What happens to Shaw?

[RealIrOnMaN]

4 Quick questions

1:Does It appear as prequel to Just X-Men and X2 but takes libieties with what was said In dialogue about the past?
2:Does Emma Frost seduce any guy when doing sebastan Shaw's bidding?
3:Is William Stryker the Young Cia Agent In the clip?
4:Does Angel also join with Magneto?

Thanks for these answers you have been giving.It gives good Feeling on why
this can challenge X2 as best X film and gives an Idea on why Matthew
Vaughn only wants to bring In one new character for the sequel.
1) It's kinda a prequel but at the same time a brand new movie of it's own.
2) Yes, she does)
3) Not young.
4) She joins Shaw's gang first, then Magneto's gang later.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Question:

Describe what happens immediately after Charles is hit by the bullet that leads to his paralysis. Describe Charles and Erik's final scene together. What is the film's final scene?
Magneto & the gang are teleported away, by Azazel (who's by the end of the movie is totally with Magneto). Charles says that he can't feel his legs, there's a silence. Then, Xavier (in his famous wheelchair) & Moira talk about his new students & how he wants to protect them & etc. He kisses Moira and erases all of her memories, regarding the X-Men. Magneto frees Emma Frost in the very end & his outfit is totally a purple/red mix of Jim Lee's version of the costume & some resemblance to the original trilogy one.

[RealIrOnMaN]

So Cyclops, along with Wolverine, has officially been in every x-film. which is funny considering how much they treat him like an afterthought. Oh yeah, how is the relationship between moira and charles? I know the romance was scrapped, but are there hints to it? Do McaVoy and Bryne have chemistry?
Yes, they do have one) It's kinda unnoticeable, but it's there)

[RealIrOnMaN]

Does Sebastian Shaw die? If so, does Magneto kill him? Does he kill him in the mirrored room? Is this before or after the scene on the beach with the missiles?
Yes, yes & yes. You're correct on all points!

[RealIrOnMaN]

Does the movie show Mystique leaving Charles' team to join Magneto?
Yeah.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Anther quicky I just thought of lol

Does the X on the 20th cen. Fox logo stay lit for a split second?

Any Voiceover to start it off the movie? You can answer with spoiler tags if necessary.
The logo is just a usual 20th cen. logo) Nothing special) No, no voiceover in the beginning of the movie.

[Obsidian Idea]

This is not really a spoiler question per say....but...any catfights?

[The Wizard]

Question:

Does Azazel teleport everyone away, or just Erik and his team? Does Charles say he can't feel his legs while they're on the island or after they're teleported from it? Are Erik and Charles' teams teleported seperately? I assume Charles and Moira's talk is in the X-Mansion? How exactly does Erik free Emma Frost?

[RealIrOnMaN]

This is not really a spoiler question per say....but...any catfights?
Lol, not really)

[RealIrOnMaN]

Question:

Does Azazel teleport everyone away, or just Erik and his team? Does Charles say he can't feel his legs while they're on the island or after they're teleported from it? Are Erik and Charles' teams teleported seperately? I assume Charles and Moira's talk is in the X-Mansion? How exactly does Erik free Emma Frost?
Just Magneto & his team.

On island. Outside the X-Mansion. Busts in the place, where she's captive & frees her)

[Obsidian Idea]

awww....because every action movie needs at least one...I love seeing skilled femme fatales duking it out like the guys.

[The Wizard]

Question?

Erik just leaves Charles there after indirectly causing his paralysis? What a douche. They never exchange glances or anything after Charles takes the bullet? On another note, what can you tell me about Charles obtaining his doctorates from Oxford and him actually becoming a professor? Also, where/when does he first meet Erik?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Question?

Erik just leaves Charles there after indirectly causing his paralysis? What a douche. They never exchange glances or anything after Charles takes the bullet? On another note, what can you tell me about Charles obtaining his doctorates from Oxford and him actually becoming a professor? Also, where/when does he first meet Erik?
No, they have some conversation after that, but Xavier knows that Erik is wrong. There's a silence between them for a moment. Then Magneto & his gang are leaving the island.

Oh, he became a professor very fast) It's explained during one scene & his dialogue)

He meets Erik, when he & CIA agents are trying to bust Shaw & his gang. Magneto was present during that scene, cause he found Shaw first, but couldn't deal with him because of some particular circumstances.

[DarthDaveBanner]

What is the deal with the helmet?

[psylockolussus]

Oh God! its hard to ignore the spoilers!

[The Batman]

why does charles mindwipe moira?cant he trust her?

[X Knight]

1) No, the difference in age was unnoticeable (well, at least for me).
2) VERY POWERFUL & BREAKING ALL THE SHT UP!
3) I don't remember that scene.

hey thanks!

[bustedbeatbox]

What happens to Darwin? From the previews it looks like he is only in a few scenes

[RealIrOnMaN]

What happens to Darwin? From the previews it looks like he is only in a few scenes
Shaw killed him.

[Lord]

You must be tired of answering quetions no?
But now a more personal question, whero do you think the next sequels will go next?
And does scott summers appear? When and how old is he?

[The Wizard]

Question.

Could you tell me a bit about Charles and Erik's conversation after Charles takes the bullet? Also, how does Erik kill Shaw? What is the final shot of the film?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Damn, I'm really tired, lol)

Let me say this) It's been fun to answer all your questions, guys) Just wait till you see the movie & you'll find all the answers you seek) Hope you won't be angry at me. Thanks.

[Superboy-Prime]

Can someone explain to me how Cyclops brother is in this during the 60s and still the same age in X1-3

[Nokio]

Shaw killed him.

Typical Hollywood cliche. The more I learned now the more I will not pay to see this. Yeah it looks good but reading these spoilers just reminded me of why I was gonna not gonna give fox a dime of my money. I'll see it like I said but I'll pay for another flick and go in Xmen.

[huzzah]

Can someone explain to me how Cyclops brother is in this during the 60s and still the same age in X1-3

Don't worry about it. This film appears to be a complete re-write of the comics and all previous films. Just look at it as a stand alone film in its own seperate universe.

[Nokio]

Don't worry about it. This film appears to be a complete re-write of the comics and all previous films. Just look at it as a stand alone film in its own seperate universe.

Was Alex in any of the X films? I don't recall him in any of them

[kedrell]

Either that or Scott's Alex's very, very, very much younger baby brother. But hey, don't ask me. I'm my own grandpa.

[Juha]

Are there any references to Harry Leland or Donald Pierce?

[Stripesy Strip]

My friend who've seen this said he liked it but he said the casting was off. He said Bacon should have been Donald Pierce, Fassbender should have been Xavier, McCavoy should have been Banshee with someone used to playing more intense roles a la Paul Bettani playing Magneto. His thinking was McCavoy was too calm and reflective to be a player like Xavier. But had the personality to be the colleague and confident as Banshee is to Xavier in the comics. While he felt Fassbender was the best in the movie, it did not sold him on him being this sinister, as the guy who will turn World conqueror but sold him on Fass being the guy having the ambition to form a big organization.

Take that as you will.

[Project862006]

wow your friend does'nt sound too smart LOL

[Kanon]

Just watched it! Awesome. Second best X-Men movie (after X1). My only problem is Xavier's lack of arguments against the fear of oppression

[Boom]

Magneto & the gang are teleported away, by Azazel (who's by the end of the movie is totally with Magneto). Charles says that he can't feel his legs, there's a silence. Then, Xavier (in his famous wheelchair) & Moira talk about his new students & how he wants to protect them & etc. He kisses Moira and erases all of her memories, regarding the X-Men. Magneto frees Emma Frost in the very end & his outfit is totally a purple/red mix of Jim Lee's version of the costume & some resemblance to the original trilogy one.
Is Magneto's costume really purple and red? The trailer made it look black and red.

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully I can watch it tomorrow evening!

[Storm22]

Canon can I ask you what you thought of the fx?

[Kanon]

Canon can I ask you what you thought of the fx?

Very nice, the flying scenes looked great, wich is always my concern with the wirework and all that

[psylockolussus]

Question: They didn't kill any of the mutants? I was expecting Riptide, Azazel and Angel Salvadore to be killed off.

[Kanon]

Question: They didn't kill any of the mutants? I was expecting Riptide, Azazel and Angel Salvadore to be killed off.

All I rmember is Darwin and Shaw

[The Batman]

hey kanon,

why exactly does charles mindwipe moira? I know its to protect the x-kids, but shouldnt he be able to trust her?

[Kanon]

hey kanon,

why exactly does charles mindwipe moira? I know its to protect the x-kids, but shouldnt he be able to trust her?

I think the point is that he knows that she could be forced to reveal the information, so no matter how much she is interrogated, they will be safe. But she is CIA, so I guess he can't completely trust her :D

I'm pretty sure the scene went something like she saying their secret will be safe, Charles says something like "I know", and he gaves her the memory kiss :D

[The Batman]

I think the point is that he knows that she could be forced to reveal the information, so no matter how much she is interrogated, they will be safe. But she is CIA, so I guess he can't completely trust her :D

I'm pretty sure the scene went something like she saying their secret will be safe, Charles says something like "I know", and he gaves her the memory kiss :D


ahhh, ok. thanks, kanon

[wonderland]

1) What about music? Vaughn used the coolest songs for Kick-Ass, so I hope he does the same in XMTFC
2) How old is Mystique? Several reviewers described her as a teenager, but isn't she supposed to be the same age as Charles? Also, when do we first see her in her naked blue form?
Thanks!

[kedrell]

I think the point is that he knows that she could be forced to reveal the information, so no matter how much she is interrogated, they will be safe. But she is CIA, so I guess he can't completely trust her :D

I'm pretty sure the scene went something like she saying their secret will be safe, Charles says something like "I know", and he gaves her the memory kiss :D


Ha-ha! Take that Richard Lester!:oldrazz::awesome:

[X Knight]

so, what are some ways Magneto uses his powers?

does he fly, shoot bolts of electromagnetic/ionic energy, etc.?

or is it just mainly manipulating metal?

are there hints/references to just how powerful Magneto's powers can be?

[ken smith]

How does Magneto kills Shaw, Shaw's ability makes it very hard for him to be killed

[X-Maniac]

Just watched it! Awesome. Second best X-Men movie (after X1). My only problem is Xavier's lack of arguments against the fear of oppression

I think you have accept that Xavier is a naive but well-intentioned idealist, an optimist in the extreme. He comes from a privileged background and has never had to struggle.

I think oppression has to come later, as a result of events in First Class.

[X-Maniac]

Typical Hollywood cliche. The more I learned now the more I will not pay to see this. Yeah it looks good but reading these spoilers just reminded me of why I was gonna not gonna give fox a dime of my money. I'll see it like I said but I'll pay for another flick and go in Xmen.

Well, it was quite obvious from the start that you had no intention of supporting this film...

[X-Maniac]

so, what are some ways Magneto uses his powers?

does he fly, shoot bolts of electromagnetic/ionic energy, etc.?

or is it just mainly manipulating metal?

are there hints/references to just how powerful Magneto's powers can be?

I am not in the habit of sharing spoilers but I will contribute generally to this by saying:

Magneto has to learn how to harness his powers; it's then that he seems to become more powerful. There are no bolts of energy, but there is levitation of himself (and another person at one point) and also projecting a wall of invisible magnetic force that flings people away. We don't see any visible energy effects like forcefield bubbles or blasts, which is in keeping with the previous films. But, as the fanboys would say, he is totally badass.

[X Knight]

I am not in the habit of sharing spoilers but I will contribute generally to this by saying:

Magneto has to learn how to harness his powers; it's then that he seems to become more powerful. There are no bolts of energy, but there is levitation of himself (and another person at one point) and also projecting a wall of invisible magnetic force that flings people away. We don't see any visible energy effects like forcefield bubbles or blasts, which is in keeping with the previous films. But, as the fanboys would say, he is totally badass.

that sounds awesome! thanks!


as for other displays of his powers.......well......I guess that's what sequels are for..............:cwink:

[Bruce_Begins]

I have yet to see this movie, so I am avoiding spoilers, but as a DC fan, who watches X-Men movies, I want to know - how do you Marvel fans here think of this X-Men FC movie ? (those who have seen this one.) What is the Run time of this movie ?

Is it better than Thor ?

[X-Maniac]

I have yet to see this movie, so I am avoiding spoilers, but as a DC fan, who watches X-Men movies, I want to know - how do you Marvel fans here think of this X-Men FC movie ? (those who have seen this one.) What is the Run time of this movie ?

Is it better than Thor ?

I thought it was better than Thor, because it has more weight and there is more at stake. Plus, it has a more dramatic final battle with a wider scope and scale. Thor just fought Loki, there was no huge battle scene that threatened the world (which there could have been if, say, the Frost Giants were coming to Earth again).

The running time is 131 minutes.

Thor is very good, but i thought First Class was better. It's hard for me to say how First Class ranks against all the other superhero movies but i can compare it with Thor, as that was out just before and is fresh in my mind.

[NickNitro]

Would you guys say this is the best Xmen film to date. I loved the cartoons as a child and felt that 3 and especially Origins fell way too far from what I cared to like about Xmen.....

Did Fox redeem itself with this film?

[X-Maniac]

Would you guys say this is the best Xmen film to date. I loved the cartoons as a child and felt that 3 and especially Origins fell way too far from what I cared to like about Xmen.....

Did Fox redeem itself with this film?

How it ranks is subjective, some say it's the best yet, others that it's as good as X2, etc. It's very good. Just go and see it.

[theJ0K3R]

Love the X-Men (comics), but not a fan of any of the movies. Michael Fassbender being announced was the main reason I even followed this. Seems like reviews are going great which is good. And I actually have liked what I have seen from the footage and now really excited to see it. Just a simple question to X-Men fans who have seen it, is this more of just going with the other films' path or does it give a feel of the comics (without getting into the flaws like the comic's first class being different, Havok being younger than Scott, etc)? What I'm trying to say is does it feel like X-Men from the comics or more of what we have seen from X3, Origins, etc? Would someone who didn't really care for any of the other X-Men films, but a huge X-Men comic fan love this film?

[GREEN =w= DAY]

not sure if this has been asked before, but anyway here goes:

i'm currently watching X1 on FX right now and at one point Professor X tells Wolverine that he met Eric (aka Magneto) when he was 17 years old. how old is Xavier and Eric when they meet for the first time in First Class?

[Ipodman]

Less than 24 hours more....

[bullets]

not sure if this has been asked before, but anyway here goes:

i'm currently watching X1 on FX right now and at one point Professor X tells Wolverine that he met Eric (aka Magneto) when he was 17 years old. how old is Xavier and Eric when they meet for the first time in First Class?


There is probably a lot of inconsistencies that will come out of this. I did find it interesting in X-Men 2 that Magneto reveals he and Professor X were aware of Wolverine's connection to William Stryker during the campfire scene.

[psylockolussus]

Oh My God!!!

I'm so jealous for the people who have seen the movie already!!!

But in more or less than 24 hours, I am about to seeeeeeeee it!!!

I I I so excited!!!

[Kanon]

There is probably a lot of inconsistencies that will come out of this. I did find it interesting in X-Men 2 that Magneto reveals he and Professor X were aware of Wolverine's connection to William Stryker during the campfire scene.
Ha, I haven't thought of that. Probably in a sequel, Magneto and the X-Men will go against the CIA experimenting on mutants (or that would be too much like X2?)

[Ipodman]

I I I so excited!!!

Lol!:woot:

[truth]

I've seen it.

Don't want to be a downer, but being a fan, I did not like it.

Will wait till y'all have seen more so I don't spoil things

[X-Maniac]

I've seen it.

Don't want to be a downer, but being a fan, I did not like it.

Will wait till y'all have seen more so I don't spoil things

I don't think 'being a fan' can be a reason not to like it.

Plenty of people on here are fans of the comics/cartoons etc. I've been reading the X-Men comics for more than 30 years...and yet I loved it. I don't expect a literal translation of comics panels on the screen; in fact, the fact that it isn't literal meant that, for me, the suspense was heightened because I didn't know what might happen...

[truth]

Not even that. I HATE when stuff is copied panel-to-panel. It's just that the comics and cartoon series have offered more on an emotional and complex level than the four films that have been released

[X-Maniac]

Not even that. I HATE when stuff is copied panel-to-panel. It's just that the comics and cartoon series have offered more on an emotional and complex level than the four films that have been released

Okay, although comics and cartoons have much more scope. The comics have run for nearly 50 years and there have been three different animated series with dozen of episodes in total.

A few 90-minute movies will obviously have to condense things.

I think, though, that the films have done a damned good job of bringing emotion and depth. You'll need to be more specific.

[truth]

You look at Superman 1, Burton's first Batman film, or Batman Begins, or even Blade...those are really good FILM adaptations that do not solely rip-off the comics.

The X-men films have had some depth and emotion, but the way it's executed is rather dull and plain. Then we have this film that looked like it was geared to a younger audience than my own

[X-Maniac]

You look at Superman 1, Burton's first Batman film, or Batman Begins, or even Blade...those are really good FILM adaptations that do not solely rip-off the comics.

Well, First Class didn't 'solely rip off the comics' either, it expanded on a lot of the mythology implied by the films and comics. The X-Men are, however, a lot more fantastical than those films you mentioned - there's only one superhuman in Superman, there are none in Batman, and vampires (Blade) are a well-known feature of fiction. X-Men has multiple characters to deal with.

The X-men films have had some depth and emotion, but the way it's executed is rather dull and plain.

Not sure what you mean here, so I'll leave it as your opinion.

Then we have this film that looked like it was geared to a younger audience than my own

It was geared at a broader audience than comic book fans, not sure it was aimed just at a 'younger' audience. All superhero fans aim to court a young audience though, hence appearances at Comic Con, so that sort of appeal is an element.

I can't quite grasp your point. But you're entitled not to like it, i'm not arguing against that.

[danoyse]

Poll has been added.

Just a reminder - the movie still doesn't open in the US until Friday, so please keep using the spoiler tags until at least the weekend.

Thanks!

[DoctorJackstraw]

My favourite scene that pretty much made the film for me was.

I was quite emotional during the scene where Charles delves into Eriks mind and finds his last happy memory with his mother, and Erik uses it to reverse the huge satellite dish, great work from both primary actors, really told alot about both characters, developed their relationship and made the ending beach scene between them mean alot more, filmaking at it's finest, shows you that you don't need alot of flash, bang and unnecessary unsubtle over dramatic moments found in a lot of comics, that scene was something that only a film could do and they nailed it.

Yeah I think what i agree with reviewers most is that, more than an actual comic book film, it tries to make itself a good FILM, but not conforming to too many superherofilm stereotypes, the film is part period political thriller, part 60's spy vengeance film, part modern bond adventure film, part human drama. It combines all those elements so well and manages not to alienate the comic book fans by sprinkling all these great epic comic book geek out moments while not compromising the integrity of the film and storyline.

[DoctorJackstraw]

Ha, I haven't thought of that. Probably in a sequel, Magneto and the X-Men will go against the CIA experimenting on mutants (or that would be too much like X2?)

I understand why they didn't go full reboot with this (possible x4 film, if it flopped then they could have just attached it to the continuity) but it's clear that the more sequels they do of this (and pretty much everyone is clamouring for one after how good this one is) the harder it will be to keep in line with the earlier trilogy. They should really focus on making it their own franchise, because this could very well be the start to doing a much better x-men film franchise that doesn't focus on wolverine too much.

[Moofafoo]

Just saw it coz it came out today here in Ireland! There was something in it that makes me think the events of X-men Origins Wolverine WILL happen!

[Alientraveller]

I've seen it, it's the best X-Men film yet (yet meaning I hope the sequel is even better). It had a lot more drive to its story than X-Men, and benefits from having less characters to juggle than the sequels to that film. Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy were really excellent as were Jennifer Lawrence and Nicholas Hoult. I'm thankful the alienation theme was pushed back to the forefront, and the action sequences were really handled with the sense of gravitas and awe the mutants deserved (I got goosebumps anytime Magneto did anything). My only complaint is I wish the villains had more screentime, but Bacon and Jones really pulled off a sense of sleaziness. I'm also happy after the toned down violence of the last two films it brought back a sense of danger to the mutant powers, especially with Magneto's executions.

[Symbiotic]

So guys, I have only one question I want answered before seeing it. Does X lose the use of his legs? I haven't forgotten the opening scene of X3 or the ending of Wolverine, but I wondered if they retconned that.

[Alientraveller]

Yes.

[phoenix'sfire]

Just got back from watching it, it was a good film, but unfortunately not as good as i hoped. Xavier and magneto were absolutely brilliant, their origins and the way they came together was great, i felt their split was rushed and could have perhaps been seen in a sequel, a few more years together would have made a far more dramatic split, however xavier being hurt at the end was very emotional i found. great acting all around. mystique was ok, a bit cliche but overall satisfying. did we need banshee, havok, riptide, azazel or angel, no not really, well not all of them anyway (and also darwin? who came up with his involvment in the film? becuase they need a slap), there were only tiny character moments but i felt they were just used for soldiers for the last 40 minutes. the absense of havok and banshee could have made way for MORE beast, i find there needed to be more development of the rage inside him, and the concept of the cure just for his feet was a bit forced, they should have had human beast have other physical differences like his hands as in the comics, and generally an actor of a larger build. was this beast as good as kelsey grammer? NO, it didnt scratch the surface of the X3 beast. sebastian shaw was a great villain, not happy he won't be in a sequel, there is so much more to his character and powers we could have seen. did we need emma frost? YES! she was the third best character behind the two leads, sinister, strong, her power was visually fantastic. its only a shame the metal battle between her and xavier was scrapped because of inception. and she needed to be in the third act, angel was not a fitting replacent especially seens angel had nothing to say as soon as she joined the hellfire club. overall ok film, on par with the first x-men film but doesn't scratch X2, and only just surpaces X3. thankfully is far beyond wolverine. do i want to see a sequel? honestly not that bothered, this film seems pretty wrapped up as it is. unless there are sentinels :D

[Moridin]

Saw it a few hours ago, it's very good, as good as X2 maybe but i haven't seen that one in years.

Few hammy/cringeworthy moments.
Like Eriks 10 A4 page lenght "NEIN!" after Shaw kills his mother.

But overall very solid, 7.5 or 8/10.

[Van Petrol]

Brilliant film! :up:

I'd give it a 8/9 out of 10.

[Mauser9910]

Voted 9. The film was pretty good, the only letdown came from some SFX not being polished enough and also "freez-frame Bacon" which was a bit ridiculous. Oh and the actor playing Havoc wasn't very expressive... Other than that, it kept the best of the X-Men movies and Vaughn's energetic film making. :)

[bhayes]

just a question about shaws mutant power.

is his mutant power similar to wolverine? is he ageless as well? if yes. do they explain it in a way that makes sense? is shaw like the oldest ageless mutant ever? it would explain shaw being older looking at the begining and younger later on in the film.

[Van Petrol]

just a question about shaws mutant power.

is his mutant power similar to wolverine? is he ageless as well? if yes. do they explain it in a way that makes sense? is shaw like the oldest ageless mutant ever? it would explain shaw being older looking at the begining and younger later on in the film.

I may have some of this wrong, but from what I recall...

He doesn't have the same natural ageless and regenerative powers as Wolverine, but rather uses energy from that he consumes and absorbs as a source to keep himself youthful.

[X-Maniac]

Voted 9. The film was pretty good, the only letdown came from some SFX not being polished enough and also "freez-frame Bacon" which was a bit ridiculous. Oh and the actor playing Havoc wasn't very expressive... Other than that, it kept the best of the X-Men movies and Vaughn's energetic film making. :)

I think..

that the freeze-frame Bacon scene was because that was the only way he might be defeated. Since he could absorb any kinetic energy from any blow, blast, bullet or whatever, he had to be in a position where he wasn't actively able to do so. And it just so happened that Xavier inadvertently provided that with a mental paralysis attack. Also it was a call-back to the scene with Magneto's mother at the start of the film, where she was powerless to move/escape. I think that makes it a powerful moment, you have to see beyond things into the themes that are going on...

[psyonic]

Tell me there is a psychic battle between Emma Frost and Xavier ..

[X-Maniac]

Tell me there is a psychic battle between Emma Frost and Xavier ..

well....

It was the scene that was removed because of similarities to Inception but I feel very sure it will be in the next film, as it will be the only way for Xavier to be involved in action scenes if you get my drift.

[Van Petrol]

I think..

that the freeze-frame Bacon scene was because that was the only way he might be defeated. Since he could absorb any kinetic energy from any blow, blast, bullet or whatever, he had to be in a position where he wasn't actively able to do so. And it just so happened that Xavier inadvertently provided that with a mental paralysis attack. Also it was a call-back to the scene with Magneto's mother at the start of the film, where she was powerless to move/escape. I think that makes it a powerful moment, you have to see beyond things into the themes that are going on...

Agreed.

The presence and significance of the coin used in these two scenes can also be included in there too.

[kenobi3]

i'm just coming back from seeing the movie (in france) and i can telle everyone it's a great movie the best of the saga ! the music is great, the actors are great and the script is awesome! michael fassbender and mcavoy are amazing together andcameos are great.

Now i believe this film gives the saga a fresh start and i hope the second one will develop more the characters andi'm really looking forward to see magneto in his full costume more than what we've seen in this film even if it's a great way to end the movie

i hope this film is really a reboot so that they can improve what have been done with the original trilogy.

I hope everyone will enjoy it as much as i because it was fantastic.

[Ipodman]

Don't know where to post this... but X-Men First Class is on the cover of my local newspaper! :D

http://i53.tinypic.com/29w4tc4.jpg

[B.A. Baracus]

I'll keep this short. I went to see this tonight with the missus, I've seen the previous films at the cinema but was not too excited for this one, the trailers make it look a little dull.

To be fair though they don't do it justice, it really is a great film, not just a great X men film but a great film, some very adult themes running through it and not really too child friendly. Plus some very surprising scenes i had no idea were coming.

[combocaz]

I saw it lastnight i thought it was good for a made up xmen film. It would have been best to reboot and use the original xmen, still a good film though.

[Mauser9910]

I think..

that the freeze-frame Bacon scene was because that was the only way he might be defeated. Since he could absorb any kinetic energy from any blow, blast, bullet or whatever, he had to be in a position where he wasn't actively able to do so. And it just so happened that Xavier inadvertently provided that with a mental paralysis attack. Also it was a call-back to the scene with Magneto's mother at the start of the film, where she was powerless to move/escape. I think that makes it a powerful moment, you have to see beyond things into the themes that are going on...

My problem with this scene (which I totally understood) was how it was directed, it wasn't bullet-time like - like in the museum in X2 or as seen earlier in the film. It was just Bacon pretending to stay still and it looked silly to me. :doh:

[craigdbfan]

Seeing this a day early tonight at 11. :up:

Super juiced!

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[matrix_ghost]

The movie came out yesterday in Holland.
Really great flick. IMO it's the best of movie of the X-Men series.
And for me personally it's definately up there with Batman BEgins and Iron Man and 2nd only to TDK as the best CB movies out there.

Fassbender rules as Magneto. Given the time that was given to Matthew Vaugh i found it a miracle that he made such a goodmovie. I wondered what would happen if Fox had given him more time.

Also the WOlverine cameo was awesome and had the whole audience rolling

[craigdbfan]

@matrix_ghost Agreed with everything (Wolvie: **** off :applaud)^

Just getting back from my early screening and I was completely blown away, I had actual tears rolling down my face in several parts.

Saying its among the best superhero movie's ever made is an understatement, its just flat out a terrific movie in itself. The movie traverses itself all across the globe and has a very wide scope but thanks to the characters and just the amazing work of the actors (mainly Fassbender and McAvoy) it all feels so personal.

The emotional parts resonate and you can't help but to understand where Erik is coming from and even agreeing with him and the lack of foresight in Prof.X judgements.

The action scenes were incredible and the CG never disappoints. The comedy was one of the major highlights and the delivery from the actors are perfect.

This movie was everything I had hope it was going to be and then some. Mystique is a sweetheart and incredibly lovable (Beast was a ****ing ******* for telling her that her actual appearance was incredibly ugly, jerk), Jennifer Lawrence stole the show in many scenes she was in, definitely the strongest female actress in the movie IMO.

I feel like I'm rambling but this definitely has earn itself among the ranks. I really love X-Men and X2 but First Class has taken the franchise to the point it should have been two movies ago.

Anyway amazing movie. I'm watching this again tomorrow night (I guess tonight technically) and I can't believe how enamored I am with the entire cast and just the whole look of the movie.

This has now easily burrowed itself into my top 3 favorite SH movies of all time. Just wondrous work all around and a gazillion kudos to Mr. Vaughn. You took the series and gave it it's integrity back and then some.

100/10

[Ipodman]

Just watched it! Wow, as good as I expected... I dont think its as good as X1 or X2 tho... but way better than X3 and Wolverine... speaking of Wolverine... :lmao:

[Oberon sexton]

Just got back from seeing it. truly a great film :hrt:

[Oberon sexton]

Magneto and charles at the end was just heartbreaking.

[Crockett]

For a summer and a comic book movie it's a ****ing fantastic. The emotional investments are there and it's a wonderful experience all around. The cast are good but McAvoy and especially Fassbender gives an compelling performance.

A superb movie and with this it restore the series to its glory. :bow:

I hope that Fox learns from this, you'd get a great movie if you don't interfere much.

[craigdbfan]

I need a sequel so bad!!!!

Vaughn needs to stay. No doubt.

Fox keep staying out of the way, you're doing great hun. :up:

[The Morningstar]

Hmm so it seems Fox have learnt their lesson that letting the film maker make the film, instead of suits, is the right way to go?

What are the cameos?

[craigdbfan]

Storm and Scott during the Cerebro session, Rebecca Romijn form Mystique, and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in one of the most hilarious cameo appearances of all time. :funny:

Don't think I'm missing anybody.

[The Morningstar]

Nice.

How do Scott and Ororo appear? Does Charles find them with Cerebro or something?

[craigdbfan]

Nice.

How do Scott and Ororo appear? Does Charles find them with Cerebro or something?

Xavier is testing Hanks new prototype (Proto-Cerebro if you will) and first gets a massive rush and isn't able to control it very well but then we get several instances in where he was able to pinpoint several mutants, Ororo and Scott included. Scott is playing a game of catch and Ororo is taking notes or reading a book.

I could tell you how Wolverine fits into it but I don't want to spoil it for you. :)

[The Morningstar]

Yea i'll wait for that one :D Thanks though man. Looking forward to seeing this on Saturday.

[craigdbfan]

I hope you'll love it as much as I did. I'm seriously head over heels.

I can't stop thinking about it

[The Morningstar]

Well as long as it is more like X2 than X3 and Wolverine, I'm sure I will.

[craigdbfan]

By far.

I hated, hated, hated Wolverine.

X3 was meh, had its moments but overall not the true successor.

First Class on the other hand just turned it up a notch. It evokes the most X-Men sensation out of all the X-Men movies. It's definitely on par with X1 and X2, with repeated viewings it could become my favorite in the series period.

[J.Howlett]

You guys are killing me with these praises.

I've longed for the return to grace of the X-Men franchise. Fox robbed the fanbase of probably the first perfect trilogy of this genre in '06.

I hope I have that same feeling after the screening tonight that I had after X2...that I wanted another X-Men film immediately.

[tedw]

I'm honestly surprised at the reviews this movie has been getting. I think it was apallingly bad, and I'm so sad that this is the next entry in their franchise. I guess this has to be spoiler-tagged at the moment...?

I didn't find much to like - the film was an overwrought, overlong mess of poor acting, poor characters and characterization, poor humor and a bland story. There were minor surface level problems, but then there were deeper issues I had with the story they were trying to tell.

Minor issues:

- They used some random house in England to stand in for the mansion, rather than filming for a day or two in Vancouver at Hatley Castle. As annoying as the change to the Alkali complex in XMOW.

- They used Gnarles Barkley for a dance club scene set almost fifty years before the song was even written.

- Since when can Beast run at super speeds?

- X1 continuity altered: Moira invents the term "X-Men", rather than the kids at the school. Beast develops Cerebro, not Magneto (perhaps Magneto will physically build the Cerebro we know in a sequel). Xavier learns of the thought-blocking helmet, but 40 years later has no idea how Magneto is shielding himself.

- What happens to the special booth if normal customers sit there and set a glass down on the magic button? "Whoops, shouldn't have put my drink there!"

- I thought Banshee flew through a continual use of his sonic scream - how does he manage his turn upwards once he's stopped screaming?

- Also on Banshee, while I'll buy he can bounce his scream off a sub like sonar, how does he read it once the waves come back at him?

- Why, exactly, can't Darwin "adapt" to what Shaw does to him?

- If you've got the tech to build jets and Cerebro and laser-blasting chest diffusers, why is your television giving out the most scrappy, aged, vintage display? Is it because Magneto turned the satellite dish and messed up your reception?

- Why wasn't Mystique's voice, in her blue form, the electronic form that she has in X1, X2 and even X3? I thought the point was that, just how she has no "original" human form, she has no real original human voice, and that was a nice touch. Nevermind.

- Why couldn't Emma transform back into diamond after the fight with Xavier and Magneto - because he'd caused a flaw in the diamond and it could shatter, I'm assuming ("just tap her")? But why can she transform back later in the film?

- Why didn't Emma escape her government captors, given she could not only use her diamond abilities to break through the glass, but has mental powers that presumably could have controlled or confused the men involved?

- Is Mystique really super-strong enough to catch the weights when they drop on her, and with no seeming effort or even a bend of the arms as she strains?

- The tone was more campy than I expected. Way more James Bond/Austin Powers than I'd hoped, or ever would've pegged for an X-Men movie.

Bigger problems:

- The villains in this movie were like a carbon copy of the Brotherhood in X1, right down to their roster and ultimately their world-devastating plot. The Brotherhood consisted of a powerful megalomaniac, a right hand woman with a strange visual form and a bit of martial arts, a funny-colored guy with some speed and agility on his side and a bit of a brute who almost never speaks a line of dialogue - and yes, that's Shaw, Emma Frost, Azazel and Riptide that I'm describing. Their archetypes, their relationships, the three men and one woman lineup - it was all really familiar. And their big plan? A radiation machine, which will leave mutants unaffected (apparently, as Shaw claims, mutation has only developed as a result of radiation, so... all of the X-Men have at some point been exposed to radiation, I guess) but will devastate the rest of the world; for Shaw, it will kill humans, and for Magneto, it will mutate them. I think Magneto's idea is actually a bit more clever, given it would make the world like him and force mutants into the majority, rather than just killing people for killing's sake. And the reason why Magneto has this hatred of the world has a compelling, emotional backstory - I was never really sure why Shaw wanted to kill everyone, other than the standard movie villain "must take over the world" desire. Magneto's ties to a real-world genocide gave that universe such a serious tone, and it was a move that I loved compared to Spider-Man (where industrial accidents turn men into super villains); but Shaw was just some rich weirdo, a la Lex Luthor, and had no obvious motivation. If Shaw's goal was also mutant superiority, then I have to say that they not only copied Magneto as a villain but made their copy inferior. In-universe, of course it would appear that Magneto is the one ripping off Shaw, right down to a machine that he grips tightly and is powering/powered by, but in the real universe, it's the writers just repeating a plot we've already seen.

- The minor characters, especially the kids, were a cast of uninspired choices from the comics. Admittedly, there are some classics (Banshee, Havok), but then there are the weird ones - Angel, Darwin. Who chose to pursue these characters instead of the "first students" Xavier had in the first film, like Jean, Storm and Cyclops? I guess casting was an issue, because you could've made a bunch of thirteen-year-olds play these characters in your first film, but if you turned it into a trilogy (or more) you'd quickly realize none of these kids were growing up to look like Famke, Halle or James once they hit their 20s. So they went with other characters - but still, there are characters people love and know better than Angel or Darwin. Gambit? Psylocke? Heck, if you're discounting X3, even the original Angel could've been there instead. And while X1 took characters I never gave a damn about in the comics and made me really like them (Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine), XMFC hasn't made me care whatsoever about either of those two. Their inclusion feels a little pointless and like a wasted opportunity.

- Mystique. I'm not a stickler for comic canon; I wasn't bothered by the changes to somebody like Rogue in X1. So I'm not bothered by the idea, in principle, that she was Xavier's adopted sister; I just think it was executed poorly. She just so happens to break into Xavier's house, which is a lucky coincidence for them both (where were his real parents, btw? Who agreed to let her stay all that time?), and becomes his little sister. She gets to live the good life, rides his coat tails to Oxford, and essentially spends 18 years by his side. I can somewhat understand how she began to feel like she was the third wheel when Xavier was trying to pick up girls, although not why she wanted him to have a romantic interest in her after growing up as his sister all that time - but I can't buy that his lack of interest in her was enough to push her to Magneto's side as soon as he tells her to accept that her blue breasts are "exquisite". They put no effort into showing us whether Mystique was a proponent of Xavier's ideas of equality; I can only assume that all that time that she lived with him, she secretly harbored resentment towards human beings (although she makes no mention of having been scared to go to school as a child, or what her life was like before), in order for her to suddenly accept the fact that Magneto was willing to kill "thousands of innocent men". This was such a sudden leap, and I can't believe she switched sides so easily given how long she lived with Xavier and how close I assume that would have made them. I think it makes more sense, character-wise, for Mystique to have been a damaged young girl who was tortured or threatened by humans, and was scared - like she said in X1 - and was found by Magneto and offered a life of safety and superiority. I can't buy that she was that scared little girl, and then had nearly two decades of living in a rich mansion with no need to ever steal food again, and then decided that she'll chuck it all in to side with a guy who tells her she's pretty. It makes her so one-dimensional, especially after Magneto likens her to a tiger and calls her a creature - and she then tells Xavier that he's the one who views her like a pet. What? Who's the one treating her like an animal here?

- Emma Frost was a total waste. I will never understand the appeal of the diamond form, given I thought her greatest strengths were her demeanor and her conviction. She was the kind of woman I thought you wouldn't want to cross because she was tough, not because she can turn into a diamond and beat you up. Yes, she has her telepathy in this film, but she's more useful when she's cutting ice off an icecap to put into your drink. The character was so unlike what I expected of Frost that I wish she hadn't been in the film. The rumor of Sigourney Weaver for the role back in the days of X2 made me assume they had plans for a strong woman who would've gone head-to-head with Xavier or Jean based on sheer force of will, and she's been reduced to a girlfriend who wears as much lingerie as possible.

- Speaking of lingerie, was there a woman in this film who didn't run around either naked, or in panties, at some point? No, there wasn't. Emma uses her mental powers to mentally make out with a Russian, and sits on the sideline watching him make a fool of himself - but both her mental projection and her real self are stripped to bra and panties. Why? Couldn't her projection have stripped while she stayed clothed? I guess the film needed even MORE tits and ass on display; it further reduces Emma's character, which is a shame. The closest you get to male flesh is a small circle of Havok's chest, because apparently writer Jane Goldman thinks women find men more appealing with clothes on than off. Obviously not the same case for the women. I'm not suggesting that the men should have all stripped, just questioning why all the women had to. Forget even trying to apply the Bechdel test to this film, since it would fail (not that the other X-films were that fantastic, but the girls just didn't seem so sexualized to me). And Moira - poor Moira - reduced to a memory of a kiss, and then the butt of a joke about women not having a place in the CIA.

- The kids felt underutilized and poorly tacked into the movie. In the first films, the kids were - rightly - treated as children by the adults, who were the responsible ones who were trained to go out and save the day. Rogue was involved in the plot by dint of being kidnapped by Magneto due to her powers, and the kids expressed in X2 that they still had need of adults, for safety and guidance and help. Here, the kids are little more than a way to track a few more kids into the theatre - teen appeal - while acting as members of the army that Xavier and Magneto need to put together... why? In X3 (and I'm no huge fan of X3, believe me), the only reason they let the younger members tag along was because Magneto had assembled an army. Shaw has no army, and I can't believe that the kids, untrained as they were, were going to be that much of a help compared to Magneto and Xavier. After we first meet them, they are victims of an attack on the compound (thank god we knew it was a Covert CIA Research Base due to the endless location subtitles), but they never lift a finger to use their powers, instead choosing to run screaming until the very end - and then only one or two even think about fighting back. I tried to forgive this, telling myself, "they're kids, not warriors, just the same as they were in the other films". Except that five minutes later, they're not scared, they're subject to a terribly split-screened training montage which transforms them from the helpless kids they were into the battle-ready X-Men with a little cliched motivational figurative prostate massaging from Xavier. That's all it takes for Havok to learn to aim his powers, and for Banshee to learn to navigate and turn and land while he flies? Thank god it's that easy, and thank god that the Americans, the Russians and the Hellfire Club decided to hold off their approach to WW3 while they took a couple of days to train themselves.

- Perhaps the most disappointing part of the film, storytelling-wise, is the way they portrayed the relationship between Magneto and Xavier. I would have thought, based on the comics (and, somewhat, cartoons) and the first films that these two men had once been friends. I'd imagine they had found one another, each the only other mutant they'd ever come across, and that this formed a bond between them - that they were both young, educated and intelligent men with gifts beyond scope and a common goal to try and help the world. And somewhere along the way, after perhaps a few years (or months, if need be) of this friendship, there was some kind of fracture and they split on either side of the human versus mutant debate. A debate that they barely touch upon in this film, seemingly because it's better to set up the "surprise" that Magneto actually agrees with Shaw, hates human beings and would happily kill them all. They spend much of the film being friendly (but not great friends), but hardly discussing their varying sides of the issue on whether mutants are superior or not, which was the foundation of their relationship and argument in the first film. What unites them in this film is only a common goal of taking down Shaw, and perhaps one scene in which Xavier really helps Magneto (with a memory). They're not the only two mutants, alone in the world, given that they find at least ten others within days of even meeting each other. They're not shown to be with one another out of any great respect, or even like, for one another; they're just associates, working together. Magneto breaks down after paralyzing Xavier, as though he's just lost a dear friend - although he's only known him for a few weeks. Did he expect they would remain friends after his trick with the missiles? What would have driven them to work alongside one another, given Magneto's feelings all along were that he hated humans and that he barely broached the idea of mutant superiority with Xavier - such a huge issue, for them both, but something they couldn't discuss because it would have immediately made them realize they could not be friends. Instead, they're forced together for the sake of a government operation, and we're told that they were friends once, even though it only consisted of being acquaintances for a few weeks back in 1962. Not the friendship I imagined, at all - the one where I assumed they had perhaps founded the school together properly, that Magneto had helped build Cerebro so they could both find mutants and help to train them (and thus, would have learned that curved metal plays some part in telepathy and known that making a mini-Cerebro to fit around his head might block Charles), and defected later, causing a traumatic split for two men who had been great friends. It might have worked better if, after the Nazi occupation and the end of the war, Erik had escaped to England and found Charles as a young boy, and the two had grown up together as adopted siblings in the way that Xavier and Mystique did. Then, the war between these two "brothers" might have had some impact, and their falling out might have meant something more than "Oh, hi, nice to meet you, sorry to hear you want to kill the human race, bye now".

Positives:

- Fassbender as Magneto did a better job than I'd expected, and I was really enamored of the character. I didn't notice his accent slips as much as the friends I saw the movie with, and I thought his revenge quest was not only emotionally interesting but made for exciting viewing in a very Kill Bill way. In fact, I think he probably could have driven his own movie centered around that story; perhaps one in which Mystique could have played a better, and different role, and come to his side in a different way (for example: she works as a CIA agent, mirroring her government involvement in the Dept of Defense from the comics, and she "hides" amongst humans that she secretly fears... until her work puts her on the trail of Magneto, whose international death wish revenge scheme has drawn attention, and she follows and fights him but is ultimately seduced by his goals of mutant prosperity and the allure of being her true self). If they do sequels, I can only hope that he's definitely involved. McAvoy was good, too, although I really hope he ditches the temple-touching next time around.

- Some of the FX were better than I'd expected (that chain sequence on the boat with Magneto was great), although some weren't great (Banshee flying, especially the first time, or Shaw's Shiva arms). Overall, though, they were generally better than not.

- Rebecca Romijn and Hugh Jackman - their cameos were fun.

- The film was not just mindless... it had something to say. I'm just not sure that what it had to say was all that great, or that how it said it had as much of an impact as I would have liked.

[Alientraveller]

- X1 continuity altered: Moira invents the term "X-Men", rather than the kids at the school. [...] Xavier learns of the thought-blocking helmet, but 40 years later has no idea how Magneto is shielding himself.

As Vaughn said, minor details like these are unimportant.

[tedw]

I don't agree with that. That might be his opinion, but it's not fact, and I don't think any of the changes made for a better film, or helped them tell their story.

[Ipodman]

Man, so that guy on twitter who said he saw Hugh Jackman on the set of First Class was not joking after all!!

[X-Maniac]

I don't agree with that. That might be his opinion, but it's not fact, and I don't think any of the changes made for a better film, or helped them tell their story.

Well, what you said is opinion too, not fact.

Your post was so long, complex, pedantic and almost indigestible that I'm not going to go through it bit by bit, so we'll leave it that you didn't like the film. Which is fine.

There's far too much in your post/rant for one of those point-by-point rebuttals. When it gets to that level of displeasure, I don't think much can be done to counteract it!

[tedw]

Well, what you said is opinion too, not fact.

Your post was so long, complex, pedantic and almost indigestible that I'm not going to go through it bit by bit, so we'll leave it that you didn't like the film. Which is fine.

There's far too much in your post/rant for one of those point-by-point rebuttals. When it gets to that level of displeasure, I don't think much can be done to counteract it!

It's a shame that having an opinion is discounted as "pedantic" because it happens to be wordy. I've been a fan of X-Men since I was a little kid, and I had a lot to say. If you can't be bothered to read it, why bother to reply to it?

Yes, the notion that the changes made didn't help the film is an opinion. That changes were made is a fact, and I simply stated that Vaughn's opinion - which was presented as the reason for the changes - was a dissatisfactory one, again in my opinion.

I think what I wrote is perfectly understandable, but perhaps it's too much to ask for discussion or discourse instead of insults because my opinion doesn't seem to match your own.

[X-Maniac]

It's a shame that having an opinion is discounted as "pedantic" because it happens to be wordy. I've been a fan of X-Men since I was a little kid, and I had a lot to say. If you can't be bothered to read it, why bother to reply to it?

If you weren't expecting people to say something in response, then why write it?

I'm saying it was just too much to respond to, in my opinion. We'd end up in one of those lengthy point-by-point rebuttals that would serve no purpose ultimately. So I'm telling you that I started to read it, but then gave up because it seemed to me like an endless tirade.

Yes, the notion that the changes made didn't help the film is an opinion. That changes were made is a fact, and I simply stated that Vaughn's opinion - which was presented as the reason for the changes - was a dissatisfactory one, again in my opinion.

I think what I wrote is perfectly understandable, but perhaps it's too much to ask for discussion or discourse instead of insults because my opinion doesn't seem to match your own.


I read some of it then gave up on the idea of replying, because it would become too involved and take too much time and forum space. You raised so many things and seemed so angry that I thought it better left alone. I'm acknowledging that you made that post and have a strong negative opinion, but leaving it at that.

[tedw]

If you weren't expecting people to say something in response, then why write it?

I'm saying it was just too much to respond to, in my opinion. We'd end up in one of those lengthy point-by-point rebuttals that would serve no purpose ultimately. So I'm telling you that I started to read it, but then gave up because it seemed to me like an endless tirade.

I don't want people not to respond. I just don't see the point of responding to say, only, "I did not read what you said". Without knowing how much you read, I can't gauge your opinion of what I said other than you're dismissing it based somewhat on length. If you don't want to get into a point-by-point discussion, that's okay, although I'd welcome it from anyone because I like to discuss and debate things. Not argue, or "tirade", as you put it. Discussion would be nice, and having an open dialogue with people about what they agree or disagree with in terms of what I said would be great.

I read some of it then gave up on the idea of replying, because it would become too involved and take too much time and forum space. You raised so many things and seemed so angry that I thought it better left alone. I'm acknowledging that you made that post and have a strong negative opinion, but leaving it at that.

I'm sorry you think that it would take up too much forum space... because I thought the forums were here for our discussion! Again, if you don't want to be the person to reply to such a lengthy post, totally understandable - I'm not begging for your time - I just don't understand the point of ridiculing me by calling my opinion "pedantic", "a rant" and "undigestible". I gave my honest opinion of a film that disappointed me, but I don't get why you felt the need to insult me unless you're personally annoyed I happened to write something so long. There's no suggested word limit on our posts, so I don't see how it's a problem.

Like I said to begin with - if it's too long to reply to, don't bother. Telling me it's too long to reply to is going to achieve... what, exactly? I respect that someone puts some time into their thoughts (whether you agree with those thoughts or not) rather than posting a very hollow "it was ****, it sux haha" such as you might find on imdb.

I'm not angry at this film; I'm disappointed, because I had high hopes and expectations. I saw the first trailer and thought it looked amazing, and the final film I watched last night fell short of that, and short of the strength I think X1 and X2 established. I came on here to discuss that with others who've seen the film, whether they agree with me or not.

[MiniBond]

definitely the movie that just made me love the X men.... never been a fan of the saga so far (even the Singer movies that I found nice but nothing mindblowing for me)!

But this one is :wow::hrt: cant wait for a sequel !

[Great Mind(s)]

Hang on... Gnarles Barkley?

[Ipodman]

Yea I demand a sequel, we never even got to see how Nightcrawler was conceived!

[truth]

Ted makes some great points that people need to at least look at.


Two key points he makes is the lingerie-loving in the film and the character relationships.
We all love a little lingerie but it got distracting and just got really odd at points. As for the characters? Man, I thought I was watching Twilight or something. No substance and there was no room for me to care about any of the mutant kids. This was due to the writing being average and the actors not being very good.

[kedrell]

definitely the movie that just made me love the X men.... never been a fan of the saga so far (even the Singer movies that I found nice but nothing mindblowing for me)!

But this one is :wow::hrt: cant wait for a sequel !

Since I'm coming at it from virtually the exact same perspective, I hope I have a similar reaction to yours.

17 hrs to go.

[ThisYearsGuy]

I agree with truth - I think tedw addressed most of the problems I had with the film (and a few I hadn't realised yet, like the continuity errors that I really dislike - Vaughn may say its unimportant to him but its important to me - why stay within the same universe if you don't retain things like that?).

When thinking of how I might rate this film its tough to even consider going above 5 out of 10 because to me there are actually no fully positive points - the effects are the closest because there were some good ones but by the same token there are some terrible ones (diamond form, flying etc...). Fassbender played a great Magneto but his accent slips were disjointing, McAvoy also was a reasonable Xavier but his character history with the womanising and drinking felt forced, Mystique being linked to Xavier was an interesting premise but very misplayed and she was very one-note. Basically, every positive comes with a negative for me and then on top of that there are plenty of flat-out negatives alone.

It is a shame that overall it felt so mtv to me - mostly the young mutants and one scene in particular involving: those kids coming up with their mutant codenames - terrible! There was not enough soul to this piece and I think there was too much consideration of effects for the trailers than securing a solid story with believable characters (especially believable villains like we got in X1 and X2).

P.S. What a waste of Emma Frost's character - she could have been so much more!

[jmc]

I've just realized this is the first time I've ever posted in the X-men section of the Hype!

Well, I just got back from seeing First Class. Let me preface my review by saying I was a massive fan of X1 and X2, when X3 came about interest in the series started to get lost on me, then Wolverine came a few years later and really all investment I had in the franchise was gone. When news broke of a prequel film set 30 odd years before I really didn't give a rats arse, didn't care for any news, who was cast, who was directing, I really thought this was merely a desperate attempt to squeeze whatever money was left out of the series, I didn't give this film a hope in hell. I'm a extremely pleased to have been proven wrong. First Class is not only a great X-men film, on par with X2, it's one of the best superhero films of the last few years.

Generally I'm against prequels because you know how the story turns out, so all suspense is gone, yet somehow Matthew Vaughn has managed to create a compelling and frankly important piece of the X-men movie puzzle without making the story feel suffocated by the stories that come afterward. To put it bluntly, this is possibly the first prequel that genuinely works.

This is really the story of Eric and Charles. There's something about seeing these two particular characters in their prime doing their mutant thing as it were which is fantastic. McAvoy and Fassbender are brilliant, whilst each does there own things with their respective characters, neither one is downright impersonating their older counterparts in Stewart and McKellen, and yet they genuinely feel like the are the same characters as portrayed in the future films. The chemistry between them is fantastic, and even though the relationship begins and degrades a little too quickly for there to be a long term bond, the results are still great to watch. Fassbender is powerful, you feel like he'll turn at any moment, McAvoy charming and charismatic and the eternal optimist. I cannot speak highly enough of these two actors in what was always going to be very difficult roles to pull off.

The big surprise to me was how much Mystique features in the film. To say the character was one-dimensional in the previous films is an understatement. Jennifer Lawrence brings an emotional heart to the character, she's a shadow of the character that appears latter on, in this Raven is almost the girl next door, she's almost heartbreaking to watch at times. I guess the problem that I have with Mystique in this film is that it seems like too big of leap for me to believe that the woman who appears in X-Men is the same girl who appears in First Class, the characters are just too different.

Kevin Bacon as Sebastien Shaw is pretty damn good too, as is the rest of his crew, only January Jones gets any real screen time though (kudos to the effects team for Emma Frost BTW). The young First Class members are also solid. I will say the casting for this movie was superb, no-one really puts a foot out of place and everyone holds there own, no bad performances to be found anywhere.

There are several highlights for me, the first being how they recreated the concentration camp sequence from the first film, it seriously took me a few moments to realize it was a shot for shot remake. The finale on the coast of Cuba is fantastic, probably the best final battle of an X-men film to date, it's tense and visually spectacular, and seeing the characters in the yellow and blue costumes was really quite awesome, they some how managed to make work what I thought was extremely difficult.

Overall Vaughn has managed to make a film that stands side by side with the first two films of the X-men movies series. I guess the only major problem I have is that given how the film ends I wonder if they may have put all their chips into this hand, you could easily pick up the story where X1 begins, I would have liked to have seen things maybe stretched over a sequel or two because the story arc is a little rushed, especially if their intention is to make a prequel series, but other than that it's still a damn fine movie. It works on an entertainment level, a story level, an emotional level, and has one of the best cameos ever. And for those of us who were disillusioned about where the series had gone, this is a welcome return to its former glory. A message to all studio execs: This is how you make a prequel.

A very well deserved 8.5/10

[kedrell]

Continuity issues aren't going to bug me much at all since I have no problem dismissing ALL of the previous films entirely and just starting from scratch here. I don't care what Singer, Vaughn or Donner say...to me it's a complete reboot. If I couldn't do that then I'd likely have a harder time enjoying the film, and I'll be damned if some studio BS is going to rob me of that.

[ALittlePush]

This film is brilliant. After the disappointments of Last Stand and Wolverine (they were okay films just not as good as X1 and X2), First class has made going to the cinema worth it. The film has a nice runtime and at no point does the story feel rushed. Every character has a reason for being there and there are some nods to fans of the previous films The agent Stryker in this is William Stryker's father
There is no after credits scene but X1 and X2 didn't have one so it's no big deal. I really enjoyed this film and can't wait for first class 2.

[hugekent]

Saw it an loved it. Make no mistake, this is the Xavier and Magneto show. Mystique and Shaw are featured heavily and do great jobs but when X and Magneto are off screen the film is no where near as strong. Luckily this doesn't happen very often. Definitely a flawed film- a little rushed, perhaps a bit too much going on and hampered a little by the constraints of the original trilogies' continuity- but I can't imagine many people not enjoying it. I gave it a 9 because of the small faults, but I really did enjoy it a lot.

[LEX]

I expected to resort to hyperbolic praise after seeing X:FC, but to be honest, it doesn't need it. If forced to describe how I felt coming out of the theater in one word, I'd say "content." X:FC is the most comic book-like of its franchise, if not genre, doubtless because of not only Matthew Vaughn's direction, but also the time it's set in. Funny how realism is relative. Go back in time enough and even the most outlandish of ideas become perfectly acceptable in context.

Since I'm too lazy to write a proper review (impossible, anyway, as my mind is in no condition make heads or tails of this movie on account of being in pieces from awesomeness overload), I'll just list down the pros and cons as they come to mind:

Pros: Bacon, of course. He combines cheese and malice so expertly that it's an absolute riot to watch him. He's having fun with the role, and it definitely shows.

Fassbender. Those reviewers calling for him to be the next Bond weren't kidding or jumping on any bandwagon. The character might as well be Bond in the first half of the movie. As for Magneto, his transformation is brilliant, though does steal Xavier's thunder a bit.

The final battle. From beginning to end, it is gripping. Finally, here's what an X-Men final battle should be like. No character gets the shaft as has become the norm in this franchise. Not only does everyone gets to showcase their powers, but they don't do it in such a way that it doesn't somehow move the plot forward. I couldn't have been happier.

McAvoy. Consider us blessed to have nabbed two awesome actors for two awesome characters not once, but twice! McAvoy plays off Fassbender believably, and vice-versa, and their characters' friendship comes off genuine, which makes their parting all the more tragic. Xavier's character development may be overshadowed by Lehnsherr's, sure, but without one, there wouldn't be the other.

The score. I've never been one to pay close attention to film scores, usually, and this one was no different, so I was completely blown away by how well it complemented the movie. Magneto's theme in particular is mind-boggling, is all I can say, and whatever that played as soon as the credits started to roll is great as well. By the time it ended and I looked around, I found myself the only one in the theater. Their loss.

The cameos. I'm not talking about the two big names that made their brief but freakin' amazing appearances. It's the cameos of that-guy actors I have in mind. Rade Serbedzija who played that Russian General, I recognized from Snatch. Olek Krupa, the Russian captain, I know from Home Alone 3. And most of all, Michael Ironside from Starship Troopers. I also enjoy how these are not blink-and-miss cameos, but glorified ones that contribute to the plot. Kudos to the casting director and writers.

Honorable mentions: The training montage, Banshee, Beast's first-person transformation, Azazel, and the alternate history. I'm sure there are more.

Cons: Emma Frost. She's more basic than fierce, and not quite Emma Frost material. Jones' acting leaves much to be desired, as does her role in the third act, or lack thereof. I hope she gets a chance to shine in the sequel, if any (there better be if heads won't roll).

Angel. Her defection feels off, as does Darwin's death. They both feel rushed. Regardless, I don't really mind since they're low-tier characters that I couldn't care less about and their characters go in a direction that seems logical rather than pandering.

Magneto's final costume and helmet. Honestly threw me for a loop as soon as they were revealed because of how tacky they looked, especially that hook on the helmet. And so much purple. Granted, it's characteristically accurate, but it was still startling to see.

And that's it. Most of the stuff I take issue with is rather superficial, so there's that. In short, I loved it. Better than X2? Having just marathoned the first two movies, skimmed over the third, and skipped the fourth entirely, I would say X:FC falls just under X2, but that's only because X2 is that great, and it doesn't mean X:FC is any less so. Afterwards, the temptation to watch it again immediately was almost overwhelming, but I'm saving the second viewing for tomorrow. Just a great movie overall.

[chamber-music]

Saw it yesterday morning I give it 8 out of 10 as good as Iron Man.

I was surprised how much I liked Kevin Bacons Shaw he was very cool and he got a huge power upgrade from his comic counterpart. I found January Jones a bit boring as Emma Frost to be honest. Eveyone else was great

anyway I'll answer a few questions

RealIrOnMaN,

Could you describe Magneto's red costume to the best of your ability?
He wears a red military jacket style not to different from the one Sebastian Shaw wears in the movie with a cape and the helmet
Other bunch of questions:

1. Mention to Quicksilver, Polaris, Scarlet Witch or Magda by Xavier?
2. Muir Island appears or is mentioned?
3. Toad and Sabretooth are mentioned or appears?
4. Sometimes ago there was a rumor about Azazel said to Mystique that she has "his son" (Nightcrawler nod). There is that scene? Is mentioned the possibility of Nigtcrawler, son of Azazel and Mystique?


1.No mention of any of Magnetos kids his about 30 in the movie and his in his nazi hunting stage in his life like he was in the comics.
2.Muir island is not mentioned as far as I remember
3.no mention of Toad and Sabertoth
4.no mention at all of nightcrawler and Mystique and Azazel don't have any talking or alone scenes together that doesn't mean they don't in the future though as they are on the same team at the end of the movie
@ RealIrOnMaN.

1. Is there alot of action?

2. How much screen time doe's White Queen, Angel, and Mystique get?

3. Is there bad humor?

4. Is there quote worthy lines?

5. Is Magneto's classic suit basically fabric based?

what's Wolverine's cameo??
1.Lots of action
2. White Queen has a fair bit of screentime but disappears for a while in the movie until the very end. She does't really have any action scenes besides kicking someone

Angel appears about half way through the movie and is involved a fair bit in the final battle

Mystique is in the movie the most out of the character you listed
3. The humor was fine. McAvoy is funny as Charles Xavier he has a few one liners

4. If your a fan of the comics there are a few quote worthy lines Shaw says things like "we are children of the atom" and "they will hate and fear us"

5.Magntos costume is fabric based for more details read my spoiler tagged answers above
Nice.

How do Scott and Ororo appear? Does Charles find them with Cerebro or something?
They appear when Charles first goes on Cerebro. thousands of mutants pop up a young women looking like storm and a a young boy with cyclops tademark ruby red sunglasses plaing baseball show up
just a question about shaws mutant power.

is his mutant power similar to wolverine? is he ageless as well? if yes. do they explain it in a way that makes sense? is shaw like the oldest ageless mutant ever? it would explain shaw being older looking at the begining and younger later on in the film.
Shaws power is to absorb kenetic energy and rechannel it sort of like Bishop and Gambit in the comics only more powerful. They don't say how old Shaw is but his been around for a while the kenetic energy keeps him young later on when he absorbs some nuclear energy he ages alot

[hugekent]

@ Lex - Agree on every point, especially the score. The cons are especially spot on. On Frost, Jones was better than I expected, but no where near good enough. She was just there, Emma Frost should command the screen. And yeah, the final Magneto costume was ******.

[antariss]

Neither. Just a single mention, because Stryker has said something unpleasant about Charlie & the mutant community overall & Xavier needed to fire back)

Actually, having just saw the film a couple of hours ago the reference to Stryker is actually refering to 'Willaim' Stryker i.e the CIA agent is William Stryker's father as Xavier actually says 'your son William'

But it's better to just wait and see the film as unspoiled as you can as it will be more enjoyable i'm sure

[RetroNaz]

"Go eff yourself"

Best line in the whole movie ;)

Really enjoyed this! 8 out of 10. The direction and style of the film was great.

[chamber-music]

tedw reply



As for Charles and Erik -

Charles saved Eriks life.

I think its rather clear Xavier is the closest thing Eriks ever had to a real friend. He has seen his mind and knows what his been through. Erik thought if anyone could understnad him charles could. Erik saw Charles as naive and idealistic he had lived in a wealthy protected life (something Mystique brings up too). Erik perhaps thought if he showed Charles the reality of what humans are like he may join him.

As for the kids I agree they mastered their powers vey quickly but hey this is a movie. Every superhero has a superhero learn to control their powers in very sort spaces of time.

Xavier and Magneto alone could not stop all five members of the Hellfire Club as Magneto said shaw has his army we need ours.

As for them being scared they only just found out other mutants exist a short time before they were showing each other their powers then there is a surprise attack by some evil mutants who slaughter CIA agent around.

At the end of the attack they do try and fight back which shows they are not scared anymore although it ends with Darwin being killed which I agree doesn't make much sense

For the women comment The movie was set in the 60s and the director made it rather obvious it was a sexist time. The scantily clad women fitted Vaughns Bond view point of the film. In bond films from the 60s there were scantily clad women and the director was simply copying that

Fox picked which characters were used and unfortunatley they don't care about which characters are most popular or if they fit with comic continuity after 5 X-Men movies it shouldn't really come as surprise as thats there policy and it will probably reamin that way as long as Fox are making these movies

As fans we either have to accept that and look past it or not but thats the reality of the way it is.




Pros: Bacon, of course. He combines cheese and malice so expertly that it's an absolute riot to watch him. He's having fun with the role, and it definitely shows.


Cons: Emma Frost. She's more basic than fierce, and not quite Emma Frost material. Jones' acting leaves much to be desired, as does her role in the third act, or lack thereof. I hope she gets a chance to shine in the sequel, if any (there better be if heads won't roll).


Azazel way of killing people dropping the CIA agentswas awesome

Glad I'm not the only one who though January Jones Emma Frost was a little bland.

Bacon as Shaw rocked he was super confident I think he had a line that went something like "I tend to get what I want" his really hard to kill and has been around for a while so his personality matched his character. Even when He knew the X-Men were ciming after him and Magneto wanted to kill him he still took it in his stride like it was not a big deal he hardly broke a sweat :woot:

[X-Maniac]

Regarding the young mutants' training

It had to happen in a short space of time as Shaw was simultaneously moving forward with his deadly plans so you couldn't have a gap of several months or years. They said it was a week.

And on...

Darwin's death. Well, his powers weren't as extreme as in the comics. Like all the mutants in all the films, their powers are toned down and made a little more limited/realistic so they are not invincible and indestructible. Evidently, that ball of energy that Shaw absorbed from Havok was too much for Darwin to handle, especially from the inside. His powers could also be interpreted as reacting to external environmental pressures, so an internal energy explosion would be something he couldn't handle. But, regardless of his powers, it served a purpose of showing these kids the threat they were up against and heightened the sense of risk/danger, so that any one of them might be destroyed next. It made Shaw look even more evil.

[antariss]

Regarding the young mutants' training

It had to happen in a short space of time as Shaw was simultaneously moving forward with his deadly plans so you couldn't have a gap of several months or years. They said it was a week.

And on...

Darwin's death. Well, his powers weren't as extreme as in the comics. Like all the mutants in all the films, their powers are toned down and made a little more limited/realistic so they are not invincible and indestructible. Evidently, that ball of energy that Shaw absorbed from Havok was too much for Darwin to handle, especially from the inside. His powers could also be interpreted as reacting to external environmental pressures, so an internal energy explosion would be something he couldn't handle. But, regardless of his powers, it served a purpose of showing these kids the threat they were up against and heightened the sense of risk/danger, so that any one of them might be destroyed next. It made Shaw look even more evil.

Great comment, totally agree. The fact is that this is a story for the big screen told within 2 hours and things happen in order to further the story and create necessary conflict so that we care about what's going on. Every film asks its audience to take a leap of faith because a film which follows the 3 act structure has to revolve around conflict for it to be interesting and dramatic and the stakes need to be high. Having the X-team train for 5 years wouldn't exactly raise the level of tension and threat especially for the final battle.

Again, i think understanding the different story telling mediums between film and comic books might make people's acceptance of this transition a little easier. For example, the law's within a film must stay consistent and the tone uniform; now imagine if they planted time traveler Bishop or Cable into the film's realistic, limited sci-fi setting. It would be ridiculous and a step to left field for the average audience member to accept and too big a concept for the rule's established in the film series. In short you cannot introduce everything from the comics just because its in the comics, old argument I know but one that is constantly ignored. Sigh

[Donut]

Hugh Jackman's cameo in this should be the new online Rick Roll

[Oberon sexton]

The scene where Charles is crippled was easily my favourite part of the film, it really was shocking, and seeing Erik almost begging Charles to join him was really great

[Van Petrol]

Hugh Jackman's cameo in this should be the new online Rick Roll

I concur. However, it should be one to counteract the original 'Rick Roll' abomination. :woot::cwink:

[Figs]

Two key points he makes is the lingerie-loving in the film and the character relationships.
We all love a little lingerie but it got distracting and just got really odd at points.

Read the comics, that's just about exactly what the White Queen wears in them.

[danoyse]

Just a reminder that the spoiler tag rule is still in effect. The movie doesn't open in the US until tomorrow, so not everyone has seen it yet.

[pyromaniac]

Okay,

I wasn't going to post a fairly lengthy review of the film that I have just seen tonight, but after mulling some of the more memorable scenes and the lines over in my mind, I just couldn't resist.

I gave it a ten based purely on emotional resonance - it's X-Men after all! There's something about a plethora of rich, fascinating, unique and embodied characters that it's just hard for me not to get drawn into them and their world.

Though it's not entirely perfect, what they do get right is a lot more than they get 'wrong.' I loved every bit of it. It was a childhood joy to watch - an even mix of gravitas, aplomb and adventure.

The film was beautifully and cleverly intertwined with the Cuban missile crisis and you get a lump dose of an American history lesson, with liberties of course.

Fun, colourful but not overtly so, and the editing was ingenious particularly during the training sequence. The power usage was just wondrous to look at, and originally well done.

Let's start with the characters.

Magneto. Oh, he really stole the show. He really pulls the rug out from under you, and somehow makes you feel so sympathetic for him at the same time. You marvel at how he puts his metal to work: :eek: He is the epitome of badass, but with an extremely heartfelt tragic-revenge trajectory. He is so human, he is now just another example of how he's become one of my favourite movie characters next to Bond and Batman, in that I initially never related to them, but thanks to deeper insight into their origins with their reboot (I know, more comparisons but they make sense in this context), I did.

One of my favourites is the anchor ripping through the ship and then trying to pull back the sumbarine. As well as the bar scene with the knife, wow. And the barbed wires against the soldiers. So badass. To me, that represents his desperation and rage at trying to locate the source of his trauma - Sebastian Shaw of course. And the confrontation at the end had that nice full circle feel to it; he wants to find closure but at a cost of eye for an eye, and what Erik did with the coin. And Xavier's yelling in horror; you just know that he's feeling Shaw's pain :eek:.

And the friendship that grew between Erik and Xavier was insightful, organic and unexpectedly touching. When it hurts, it does hurt. It was sad and a testament to both of the actors' perfomances when Charles dives into Erik's head to glean at images of his mother. But you cheer when he efforts to swing the satellite dish towards him. You feel his exertions. At the end, when Xavier is shot in the back, even though Erik really wanted to kill the humans, his concern for his friend overrode that. I loved that. And he wanted him by his side, but Charles had to go and dash his hopes didn't he? I almost wish Erik went down a different path and stay with Charles, because he has so much potential to be good, as the latter had impressed upon him during the training sequence.

But I have to ask: how did Shaw 'lose' Erik, after the concentration camp scenes? I would've thought he'd wanted to keep tabs on Erik all those years. What was he doing in Switzerland?

And I wonder why the young Erik didn't attempt to kill Shaw, considering he really bludgeoned those soldiers to death?

Professor Xavier. Haha. I loved his sense of goofiness at the beginning before he settles down to be the amazing, mature and clued-in guidance leader that he becomes. And his sibling relationship with Mystique was very sweet too. It hurt as well when they parted ways at the end. But it was such a nice touch that both acknowledged each other's influences in their lives. Even Charles prompted Raven to go with Erik, as that's what her heart ultimately wanted. And it was another nice 'full circle' cinematic motif with the introductory scene in the kitchen - down to the opening the fridge - between young Charles and Raven and the older versions, with the more confident but upset Mystique by the former unintentionally trying to hold her back.

He's such a great moral compass, but perhaps he should've shown more of a conflict as far as these kids were concerned, ie Angel defecting to the Hellfire Club.

It was such a shock when he got shot in the back, and crippled. Wow. Loganbabe had lamented that he shouldn't have been disabled so soon, but I wouldn't have traded that high point for anything. It was tragic, really drove home the crux of the friendship between the two most powerful polar opposites in the world, and it really made Moira McTaggert the unintented recipient of his perpetual immobility. Erik was tortured, but he had to leave him knowing that he was in safe hands.

Oh and his powers were incredibly showcased. He really reminds you that he is a formidable force to be reckoned with. I love the 'telescoping/zooming' telepathic effects: commandeering someone else. It's a bit like what Karma would do. It shows his signature, similar to Emma Frost's. Have faith, Loganbabe. :D

Mystique. She really exemplifies the psychological conflict of the film. She carries heart: ambivalence and pride at being different. Erik bringing her around was just believable: you can see why she buys into his worldviews. Too bad Beast sort of spurned her away because he wanted so badly to fit in. And Mystique felt the sting a little.

Her lack of action in the end was a little disappointing; they could have had her at least joining in on the Azazel/Beast fight. Instead of replicating Shaw, she could have instead done Beast and confused the hell out of Azazel. And bust a few moves in the process. However the fact she's still pertinent to the story emotionally makes up for it. And it does shows that there's at least a lot more to look forward to in the sequels: her acrobatic, agile training.

I forgot - her reactions during the CIA raid were funny because she was genuinely frightened, but that you know that she'll eventually become a sleek, elegant and deadly machine with amazing kicks. Ha ha.

Beast. One of my favourite characters from the comics: he really had the essence of his character down pat. It is his adolescent origin after all; awkward but with the most brains out of everyone. He really helped, in scientific terms, put the formation of the X-Men on the map. You can sense he will have more of a hand that way in future sequels. Now all I want to see his love for twinkies and that good-natured humour that he is famed for.

I'm deaf so I don't know if he said 'Oh my stars and garters?' Did he?

His growling explosions at Erik and later on in the Blackbird were just fantastic. And his fight with Azazel was awesome. Great teamwork with Havok.

Amusing how he 'outran' Xavier, without showing the usual 'speed' effects. But i have to wonder, if he didn't mind doing that, and that he can fairly easily accommodate his big feet into the shoes, why take the cure?

Sebastian Shaw. He sold me as a fervent villain from the get go. My god. His delighted laughs as young Erik unleashes his fury were notable, and well utilised compared to the stock mwahaha. And he really made Magneto work like a dog all the way to the end. What a great antagonist.

Emma Frost. Meow. She had presence, at least as far as her character goes. She photographs well and is very comfortable in what little clothing she likes to strut in. With a little bit more of her worldviews fleshed out, as well as the backdrop of the Hellfire Club (ie, she could've been revealed to be a financial contributor), she would've been much more interesting. But i was quite happy with her because she's one of the characters that seem archetypal but that she flaunts it, knowing that she is well developed at least as far as the comics go.

I was happy with her because she was important in the first half, and her psychically simulated sex with the general was quite funny. The fact that she was captured by Xavier and Lensherr so easily seems to make her look weak though. And I'm disappointed that there was no psychic battle between the telepaths, as initially reported by Vaughn to be an 'Inception' style battle, which was why it was scrapped. I wish he'd had put something similar to replace it. Oh well. More for the sequel, I'm sure. I do like her diamond effects when she is using telepathy; quite nice.

Banshee. What a comedian. I loved his sense of joy as he learns to fly, and at the climax - he was a natural and did a couple of mean moves with it! I love his sonic screams and Banshee's training was hilarious - Magneto's 'What?' and the subsequent reprimand after he pushed the terrified Banshee out from the satellite dish was classic.

He worked very well with Havok - you get the sense that they are true teammates. And the fight with Angel was great to see after the four X-Men films that had very, very little aerial dogfighting, so to speak.

Havok. My best friend was surprised when I told him that Havok was Cyclops' brother. You can tell that he grapples with keeping his power under control, but he knows it can be used to his advantage and to everybody else, so he has to channel it effectively. And effectively he did, thanks to the Professor. His training segment was a chuckle or two moment. No sense of leadership skills, but then again there's always the sequel.

Darwin. His version allowed for the intriguing potential of his powers to be explored. He gets on well with the teammates. He seems a light-hearted, fun character. But he had to go and die. His death, though economically meaningful was to show that there ARE casualties in this war, forcing those 'kids' to grow up, was a little abrupt. He had potential to go further with his powers, but I think that's the deliberate irony. Although I wished Darwin would've clamped his gums shut when Shaw put that kinetic explosive energy into him.

I like the fact that he was the only one who put up his defenses when Shaw and the Hellfire Club attacked the CIA Headquarters. And he really tried to protect Angel, thinking she was merely tricked. In effect he showed some initiative. I'm deaf, so

Angel. Damn betrayal she pulled. Although she explains her standpoint, the switcheroo happens a little too quickly. She should've at least hesitated - some breathing room between Shaw giving them a choice to change sides - or some of her 'friends' should've at least tried to talk her out of it more, ie the Hellfire Club are killing innocent people, are you sure you want to be a part of that? But I like her sense of worldliness. She is what Mystique eventually adopts. But her distinctive voice sort of fades away after that.

However she holds the medal for being the other character in the X-Men films to be actually shown flying, and up close. After four films where you have all these potentially airborne characters who never fly in the way we'd have wanted them to, that was refreshing to watch.

Azazel. Oh my god. He was, to beat the dead horse again, a badass. You know what I'm talking about. 'Nuff said. :D

Riptide. His powers demonstration was actually quite cool; I only wished that he spoke more or at least a sense of why he's there or with Shaw. Just because Shaw is the leader and speaks for them doesn't mean we're led to believe that the members can't have other viewpoints, rather than assuming that they simply just want world domination or don't like the humans.

Oh my god, i just remembered that there might have been cut scenes. In the behind the scenes featurette, there was a scene of Riptide and Azazel showing Angel walking up to the map. They were speaking, and and had actual lines! :eek: Why was that edited down?

Moira McTaggert. Some reviews had mentioned that she was relegated to background chewing scenery, similar to Emma Frost, but I disagree. Other than being probably the only pro-mutant human, she actually pushed for the formation of the X-Men, got them into (brief) alignment with the CIA. Really, she raised the flag on Xavier's radar as to other mutants out there. And obviously she'll still figure into future sequels despite the mind wiping, I think that's sad Xavier felt the need to resort to that because he wanted to protect his kind. And he did have feelings for her too. So wtf are the reviews talking about? She was a strong character who showed initiative as well, a bit like Darwin.

That infamous cameo. Well - though it was funny, I had to think about why Charles and Erik would just give up on him like that... It'd be funny if he had turned around and weighed in on what they had to say, and to join them. That would remarkably kill off X1 and X2 so far out of continuity they would not be in orbit.

Now some of the lines that I love. All said from the trailers really, about peace and killing and we are better and there's so much good inside you!

Well, all in all, an awesome film, for lack of a better word. My brain is goo right now from cutting my knuckles on this very long review, and I never do this. Hooray! Now for the second viewing sometime soon!!! :D

[Van Petrol]

Just a reminder that the spoiler tag rule is still in effect. The movie doesn't open in the US until tomorrow, so not everyone has seen it yet.

Eeek! Sorry danoyse, it slipped my mind for a second. My apologies to everyone.

[chamber-music]

I was surprised Riptide had no lines I know the actor does not speak English super well but he could of spoke Spanish with subtitles like other characters did

[pyromaniac]

I was surprised Riptide had no lines I know the actor does not speak English super well but he could of spoke Spanish with subtitles like other characters did

It's funny you say that, because I touch upon that briefly in my review - where there seemed to be a longer scene revealed in the 20 min featurette that seemed to indicate at actual lines.

[Tony Stark]

I'm still a little confused on how this film is supposed to fit in to things. I understand they pretty much ignored X3 and Wolverine, but it sounds like some things are changed from X1 and X2. Yet overall they are trying to tie this in to the existing series, so it's not really a true reboot.

[tedw]

I think its rather clear Xavier is the closest thing Eriks ever had to a real friend. He has seen his mind and knows what his been through. Erik thought if anyone could understnad him charles could. Erik saw Charles as naive and idealistic he had lived in a wealthy protected life (something Mystique brings up too). Erik perhaps thought if he showed Charles the reality of what humans are like he may join him.

It's funny, because although Erik makes a comment about him having a "hard time" in his mansion, the way this was written came across as little more than a joke for the scene. There's little indication about their understanding of one another, or of Erik's knowledge of Charles' background, prior to this scene. If Erik knew Charles lived in a huge mansion and had excessive wealth, then seeing the mansion wouldn't have evoked that response in him, so I can only guess that Erik didn't know that much about Charles' life before that. Perhaps he did view him as naive, but I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been. And I think what was more disappointing was that I don't think their relationship, as written, was nearly as effective as it could have been, nor did it seem particularly deep.

I agree they mastered their powers vey quickly but hey this is a movie. Every superhero has a superhero learn to control their powers in very sort spaces of time.

Xavier and Magneto alone could not stop all five members of the Hellfire Club as Magneto said shaw has his army we need ours.

As for them being scared they only just found out other mutants exist a short time before they were showing each other their powers then there is a surprise attack by some evil mutants who slaughter CIA agent around.

At the end of the attack they do try and fight back which shows they are not scared anymore although it ends with Darwin being killed which I agree doesn't make much sense

Don't misunderstand me - I get why, in a film, the montage exists. That doesn't mean I think it's a good device. "Every superhero... learns to control their powers in very short spaces of time" - funnily enough, not the case in X1 or X2. And I can understand children being scared, and then being pushed to fight after the death of their own, it's just that in my opinion this montage was part of a bigger syndrome: the characters, and the children especially, weren't all that well written. Why was Havok in prison? Why couldn't he play well with others? That doesn't matter, as long as he gets to play the typical dumb jock foil to Beast and call him names to push him into taking his "cure". What about Banshee? He had even less characterization, and the same goes for Angel and Darwin. I know that these characters fall on the bottom of the tier, but I'll compare a character such as Pyro from X2. He's somewhere on the scale around Havok, I think, and yet the scene in which he looks scornfully - longingly - at the family photograph in the Drakes' home exposed a swath of emotional disturbance in a succinct way. I know they tried to give Mystique and Beast their "we're so ugly" story, but I don't think it was handled as effectively, personally.

The movie was set in the 60s and the director made it rather obvious it was a sexist time. The scantily clad women fitted Vaughns Bond view point of the film. In bond films from the 60s there were scantily clad women and the director was simply copying that

Maybe, then, my distaste is not aimed entirely at Jane Goldman but should be as Vaughn as well. I'd sum up my point as: this is X-Men, not James Bond. It feels as though the film were made by somebody whose entire understanding of the 60s hinges on Bond and Austin Powers, and they've brought that same level of kitsch to the X-Men. I think it bothers me because the previous films (X1 and X2, certainly) didn't seem like they had that same level of camp. I think someone else in the thread said this already, but if not, I'll say it - for these characters, living in their present, that time period is not "retro". So I think it's a bit odd that the film was painted in these retro tones that take away from some of the seriousness that had been established.

Fox picked which characters were used and unfortunatley they don't care about which characters are most popular or if they fit with comic continuity after 5 X-Men movies it shouldn't really come as surprise as thats there policy and it will probably reamin that way as long as Fox are making these movies

Perhaps, but given how much the producers have touted in the past that there is a rich history in the comics, I'm surprised they not only went for characters that weren't so "rich" or classic (they knew, at the time of X3, that there was loads of fan clamor for Beast and Angel and Gambit) but then seemed to do nothing worthwhile with them. X-Men has taken characters I felt little about and made them something interesting in their adaptation, but in my opinion they failed to do that with the new additions in XMFC.

I just feel like the heart of the first two films wasn't there. Maybe it's because I don't find Mystique's "I'm so ugly" drama quite as compelling as Rogue's "I can't ever touch a person" storyline. Maybe it's because beyond Mystique/Beast and Magneto, it seems like nobody else was enduring any sort of characterization, or character growth, or emotion. The kids felt devoid of it, in particular, compared to the stories they tried to give Pyro, Iceman and Rogue in X2 - and none of their stories were the main focus of the film. I think that a scene like Mystique's in X1, when she tells the Senator that she feared going to school as a kid, was a masterful stroke of characterization because it provided an interesting contrast - this ass-kicking ninja, here? She's emotionally scarred, and vulnerable despite the outward appearances. It was such a small thing - her only line of dialogue, I believe - but it was effective. I just don't think XMFC achieved the same levels of subtlety or effectiveness in what they tried to do with their lower tier characters.

And while I get movie devices, such as "making a villain seem more evil", I just think how they did it was a bit clunky. I still believe Magneto was a more compelling villain in X1 than the villain they found for XMFC. The best villains, in my opinion, will garner some measure of sympathy from the audience to keep them from seeming like mustache-twirlers bent on destruction just for the sake of it. Magneto's troubled past inspired his hatred of human beings, and thus, some sympathy (or at least, understanding) - and I wish that XMFC had tried to do the same.

[danoyse]

Eeek! Sorry danoyse, it slipped my mind for a second. My apologies to everyone.

No worries! By the weekend we can pretty much wind down the spoiler tag rule, but until then just remember to use them. Thanks. :yay:

[Project862006]

to people who have seen it is it better directed than singers films because i always felt singer was much more subtle with his themes and political contexts

which i always liked

[chamber-music]

It's funny you say that, because I touch upon that briefly in my review - where there seemed to be a longer scene revealed in the 20 min featurette that seemed to indicate at actual lines.
I get the feeling alot ended up on the cutting room floor for pacing reasons. James McAvoy did an interview a couple days ago on the BBC were he said Charles and Erik had a fight with a 7 foot tall guy that was cut from the movie. Mathew Vaughn also said he cut the romance subplot between Moria and Charles.

The scen in the trailers of Havok using his powers outside the mansion also wasn't in the movie

[Sgt.Pepper]

I'm going to keep this short. I saw the movie earlier today and I definitely had a fun time watching it. The cast were great in their roles but there's no doubt about it that both Fassbender and McAvoy steals the show with their dynamic relationship. It was truly captivating to watch them both on screen and interacting together.

After delivering an excellent and entertaining movie, I wouldn't complain if we got to see more. :up:

4/5

[J.Howlett]

For the lucky ones that have already seen it, how bad are the continuity issues? I killed Origins Wolverine for being really stupid with continuity...among "other" things as well.

How bad is it for First Class...discounting the Last Stand and Origins Wolverine?

I need to have the right mind set going in tonight and this is my biggest issue.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I haven't seen it yet. Will be seeing at midnight tonight.

While I haven't seen it yet, here are my expectations:

BAD
-I think this movie should have picked up where X-Men Origins: Wolverine left off, and took place with the first class being Xavier's recruits from Stryker's base. Mainly - I hate the idea of there being a first class without Cyclops, and adding in Havok instead. But they insisted on setting it in the 60's (is setting it during the Cuban Missile Crisis really necessary?) I really, truly, feel that Cyclops should have been the first student, and taking place after X-Men Origins: Wolverine would have allowed for that.

-That goes to my other problem: The attempted "distancing" from X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I understand, these films caused more controversy than the 1st two, but they are still part of the film continuity. I don't agree with distancing themselves from certain installments of the films. The series should be self contained. Trying to retcon stuff is what makes the comics confusing and at times unentertaining, and is probably one of the main reasons why I prefer the movie X-Men to the comic X-Men.

GOOD
-Oddly enough, while I'm complaining about the 60's setting, it's also one of the things I'm looking forward to. The X-Men started in the 60's, so setting First Class in the 60's makes sense. The Cuban Missile Crisis feels like a good "X-Men" type setting, and from all the previews and promos I've seen, this movie *does* have an X-Men #1 feel to it (X-Men #1 includes Magneto manipulating a military missile base, and humans don't exactly *hate* mutants yet).

-Outside of the choice of including Havok instead of Cyclops, I'm not too bothered by the rest of the choices. Prior film continuity dictates that Iceman and Angel can't be part of the first class. But... we do get Beast, so at least one original is there (and considering that in X-Men: The Last Stand he was clearly older than Storm, Jean, Cyclops, etc... it fits for him to be here). Having Moira McTaggert there makes sense because she has a long running history with Xavier. Same goes for Banshee, it doesn't feel out of place to have him there. Seems as though Angel Salvatore is nothing more than a female representation of Angel in the original team. Then tie in characters like Mystique, who obviously have a long running history with Xavier and Magneto from the film continuity, and the roster of characters isn't horrible. Some other characters, like Azazel, and I guess there are other characters like Darwin (who? I'm not familiar with him) are a bit more random. I will be curious to see if there's any kind of romance with Azazel and Mystique to at least *nod* to Nightcrawler.

-Despite claims of X-Men: First Class distancing itself from X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, it doesn't seem that the film is distancing itself that much afterall. The movie takes place *before* X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and Cyclops isn't involved. Beast is the oldest of the originals in the film-verse, and he is here before Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Apparently -

Beast may be searching for a cure for mutation, which is a tie in with X-Men: The Last Stand

There will be some minor timeline issues (such as Xavier and Magneto showing up and Jean Grey's house seemingly in the 80's, when they will apparently have their falling out long before that), but outside of minor inconsistencies like that, it seems like this movie is gonna fall in line with the continuity of the other 4.

Overall, I think the movie is gonna be pretty awesome. Where I *expect* it to rank alongside the other X-Men films:

1. X-Men: The Last Stand / X2
3. X-Men: First Class
4. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
5. X-Men

[ThisYearsGuy]

For the lucky ones that have already seen it, how bad are the continuity issues? I killed Origins Wolverine for being really stupid with continuity...among "other" things as well.

How bad is it for First Class...discounting the Last Stand and Origins Wolverine?

I need to have the right mind set going in tonight and this is my biggest issue.

Tough one - I definitely found continuity discrepencies with X1 but didn't seem to think of too many that contradict much in X2. Overall, for me personally, I think it just doesn't feel part of the same world that Singer set up and adopts a very different tone.
(Also, fyi, definite contradictions to X3 and Wolverine as well but not as important given what you posted :))

I don't know how much you thought of Singer's x-verse but I hope you enjoy seeing it tonight.

[J.Howlett]

Well, I'm hardcore about Singer's two films...but I was open to the idea that this is actually a reboot instead of a prequel, even if it does have some continuity consistency with Singer's film.

It's just the vibe that Vaughn gave off in interviews. It feels that he really wanted to reboot and start over. I mean, he name checked Batman Begins a lot in the interviews. That signals reboot in my mind...even with Singer as story/producer of the film.

I guess I'll find out in about 8 hours. If it's a reboot, so be it. It's not like X2 was last year. It's been 8 years since that gem.

[chamber-music]

To be honest there contradictions to all the previous movies First Class is a loose prequel to the first two X-Men films.

To be honest Nell2ThaIzzay this movie didn't have to be set in 1962 the cold war didn't end until the 1980s. Vaughn could of easily set the film in say 1969 and time line wise it would of been easier on the continuity. It mostly down to the orginal writers like the idea of the Cuban Missile crisis and Vaughn wanting to make a 60s style Bond movie.

I think you will enjoy it though its better than Last Stand by miles in my opinion.

Its unlikely Fox would allow a full on reboot when Wolverine still has future sequels waiting to go. Also Fox didn't view X3 and Wolverine as failures so they see no reason to reboot. Vaughn personally does not think much of those two movies.

Heres some interview with Vaughn


I think primarily it's about the relationship between Magneto and X, but set against a backdrop of political espionage and the Cold War.
I always wanted to do a Cold War movie, and I've been desperate to do a Bond film, always have been. And here I got my cake and ate it, managed to do an X-Men movie, and a Bond thing, and a Frankenheimer political thriller at the same time. But this process has been nuts.

How did you go about choosing the characters for First Class?
They were already chosen. That was Bryan and Fox. In the draft they gave me, they were all in there. We cut Sunspot, because we didn't have enough time or money, because they couldn't make him work. He was a pain in the arse.

Did you have a favourite in the ensemble?
It's obvious, but Magneto. I sat down with Michael, and I said, "You know, I've always wanted to do a Bond movie. Imagine you're Bond, but you don't have to use gadgets. You can do s*** that other people can't. You're the ultimate assassin in the world that no one knows about." I've always loved Magneto. It's weird, because his power's bloody odd, if you think about it. It's not that great a power. But there's something about Magneto that I've always loved.

You say that you've created this new world. It's obviously a prequel, but is it a prequel in the way that the new Star Trek movie is a prequel, so you will be able to, if you do make a second X-Men film, or a third, continue without bothering with the continuity of the previous films?
Totally, I don't give a s*** about the other ones. For me, I wanted to do my version, and the version where it's more similar to the comics at the beginning. I really enjoyed X1 and X2. I thought Bryan did a really good job. But I think X3, and then Wolverine, it sort of went off, and the whole superhero genre has been f**** up by Hollywood trying to- just, big explosions and glossy, corny costumes and outfits.

[J.Howlett]

Loose prequel means reboot in my mind. Because, if you go half way with it, that means you're hedging your bets on whether or not the film is going to take off at the box office.

If the film takes off, they'll relabel it as a reboot to tell stories that are not tied down to Singer's continuity....

....but having Hugh Jackman show up doesn't help either....

[chamber-music]

To be honest as Vaughn says above he really doesn't care all that much about continuity with other X-Men films. If he wants to put something in his X-Men movie that will contradict something in the previous films he will

[J.Howlett]

Then, it's a reboot in his mind.

That really should be my mind set going in. Origins Wolverine was completely sloppy on a lot of things but I was going to forgive it, it it at least got the continuity right. When it went off the rails, I was done with the film, even if I liked Hugh's performance....

Tonight's viewing is going to be tricky for me...

[tedw]

I forgot that Xavier stated in X1 that he met Erik when he was 17. This doesn't match XMFC, given Xavier was no younger than 10 in 1944 - probably twelve or so - and the film takes place in 1962, so he was between 28 and 30 years old. This might not matter to some, but anyone hoping for strict continuity might be disappointed.

[kedrell]

Oh continuity..you will be the bane of many on this board, I fear.


Fortunately for me, I'm not one of them. ;)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If there *are* continuity errors (major ones, I mean, not minor things like Xavier saying I met Erik at 17, and in FC meeting him older) then I will treat X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine as "official" continuity, with First Class being glorified fan fiction.

I have a feeling tho that whatever minor continuity errors there may be, there's not going to be any huge contradictions.

[The Morningstar]

To be honest as Vaughn says above he really doesn't care all that much about continuity with other X-Men films. If he wants to put something in his X-Men movie that will contradict something in the previous films he will

As long as it's a good movie, who really gives a ****? I agree with Vaughn's mentality here. These ain't the comics, they're movies based on the comics. These "continuity sticklers" need to accept that.

[BMM]

-I think this movie should have picked up where X-Men Origins: Wolverine left off, and took place with the first class being Xavier's recruits from Stryker's base. Mainly - I hate the idea of there being a first class without Cyclops, and adding in Havok instead. But they insisted on setting it in the 60's (is setting it during the Cuban Missile Crisis really necessary?) I really, truly, feel that Cyclops should have been the first student, and taking place after X-Men Origins: Wolverine would have allowed for that.

-That goes to my other problem: The attempted "distancing" from X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I understand, these films caused more controversy than the 1st two, but they are still part of the film continuity. I don't agree with distancing themselves from certain installments of the films. The series should be self contained. Trying to retcon stuff is what makes the comics confusing and at times unentertaining, and is probably one of the main reasons why I prefer the movie X-Men to the comic X-Men.

If you think First Class should have picked up from where X-Men Origins: Wolverine left off, and you believe these films should maintain continuity and not distance themselves from one another, then Cyclops still wouldn’t be Xavier’s first student. In X2, Stryker notes Jason drives his mother to kill herself a year after returning from Xavier’s school. In Wolverine, Jason’s mother is already dead, and Stryker has already put Jason on ice, which means Jason would have been a student before Cyclops.

[Project862006]

for those who have seen it how bad ass is Azazel i have heard several reviews who praise him

i think for a sequel they can do so many interesting things with his fight scenes

[The Morningstar]

Yea, if you just forget that X-3 and Wolverine were steaming piles and should be ignored on principle... the fact is the continuity errors Wolverine Origins created NEEDED to be ignored anyway.

[JP]

@matrix_ghost Agreed with everything (Wolvie: **** off :applaud)^

Just getting back from my early screening and I was completely blown away, I had actual tears rolling down my face in several parts.

Saying its among the best superhero movie's ever made is an understatement, its just flat out a terrific movie in itself. The movie traverses itself all across the globe and has a very wide scope but thanks to the characters and just the amazing work of the actors (mainly Fassbender and McAvoy) it all feels so personal.

The emotional parts resonate and you can't help but to understand where Erik is coming from and even agreeing with him and the lack of foresight in Prof.X judgements.

The action scenes were incredible and the CG never disappoints. The comedy was one of the major highlights and the delivery from the actors are perfect.

This movie was everything I had hope it was going to be and then some. Mystique is a sweetheart and incredibly lovable (Beast was a ****ing ******* for telling her that her actual appearance was incredibly ugly, jerk), Jennifer Lawrence stole the show in many scenes she was in, definitely the strongest female actress in the movie IMO.

I feel like I'm rambling but this definitely has earn itself among the ranks. I really love X-Men and X2 but First Class has taken the franchise to the point it should have been two movies ago.

Anyway amazing movie. I'm watching this again tomorrow night (I guess tonight technically) and I can't believe how enamored I am with the entire cast and just the whole look of the movie.

This has now easily burrowed itself into my top 3 favorite SH movies of all time. Just wondrous work all around and a gazillion kudos to Mr. Vaughn. You took the series and gave it it's integrity back and then some.

100/10

Dude, I'm freakin' stoked! We tend to be on the same wave length most of the time, so glad to see you loved it.

4 more hours!!

[tedw]

If there *are* continuity errors (major ones, I mean, not minor things like Xavier saying I met Erik at 17, and in FC meeting him older) then I will treat X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine as "official" continuity, with First Class being glorified fan fiction.

I have a feeling tho that whatever minor continuity errors there may be, there's not going to be any huge contradictions.

I don't think there are major continuity errors; I've pointed out a few in my posts, but maybe there's something I'm missing. Since I don't think there are majors, you'll probably be satisfied.

Not sure what the movies lacking continuity with each other has to do with "not being the comics", but...

[ThisYearsGuy]

Funny, I think Xavier being years off in his calculation as to when he met Erik is actually more than minor. Maybe not major but to explain it I can only see one solution, Xavier was going senile in X1 beginning - not something I wanna have to think... lol

[Drz]

5/5 stars, here's my review but it might have spoilers if you wanna consider it that way, but you guys will love it.


Michael Fassbender was such a great James Bond/Inglorious Bastard (haha again) with his nazi killings and whatnot, but man was this the darkest Marvel movie or what? The stuff that happens is just insane, but man does this movie deliver with great characters and all of them pretty much receive great moments. Kevin Bacon who delivered such great line "when your girlfriend turns into a whore, is it time to move on?" in the other superheor movie Super keeps playing yet another great villain in this movie, his powers are intriquing and he has great class and charm, he's such a selffish pimp who wants the world for himself! Also beware people who dislike subtitles, because theres plenty of scenes where they speak russian or german. I also liked how well the time setting worked and the nods to the fans that all general fans will get like a certain hair related joke. Oh yeah man the ladies we're hot in this, Raven's actress was certainly gorgeous and James MCavoy was such a lady killer with his looks and i loved the Magneto+Xavier moment when they are training, such great character moments like i said already. If you enjoy great summer action movies and X-men stuff, this is the movie for you, maybe the only thing not "perfect" score worthy is perhaps the score, i really liked it but it was nothing memorable such as Hans Zimmer scores if you catch m drift, oh and yeah man the last 40 mins is action packed with such cool fights and the way they handled Azazel was so awesome, evil Nightcrawler who looks like Satan for the win. The ending was such a fist pimping moment i just had to clap and shout woo, so yeah enough of my ramblings, loved the movie and highly recommending.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think there are major continuity errors; I've pointed out a few in my posts, but maybe there's something I'm missing. Since I don't think there are majors, you'll probably be satisfied.

Not sure what the movies lacking continuity with each other has to do with "not being the comics", but...

I haven't read your posts simply because im trying to avoid spoilers, but from what I can tell, I dont think there will be any major errors, at least by my standards.

As for Xavier being wrong about him saying I met Erik at 17, I see it no different than Stryker in X2 saying its been 15 years but it obviously being longer than 15 years in Wolverine.

And then in response to Cyclops not being xavier's first student, you are right about Jason. But Cyclops would still be the first X-Man.

[MoPlaYa]

I have 8 more hours to go

[tedw]

I haven't read your posts simply because im trying to avoid spoilers, but from what I can tell, I dont think there will be any major errors, at least by my standards.

I don't blame you (about the spoilers)! From what I've seen you say about the other films, it looks like you and I have similar opinions about the X3 and XMOW films. I sincerely hope you enjoy the new film more than I did when you go to see it tonight.

[craigdbfan]

Dude, I'm freakin' stoked! We tend to be on the same wave length most of the time, so glad to see you loved it.

4 more hours!!

I think you'll love it, at least I'm hoping you will. :up:

We've definitely been in the same ballpark in terms of expectations. For me FC easily surpassed them.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't blame you (about the spoilers)! From what I've seen you say about the other films, it looks like you and I have similar opinions about the X3 and XMOW films. I sincerely hope you enjoy the new film more than I did when you go to see it tonight.

did you not care much for First Class?

[DarthDaveBanner]

I saw this yesterday and thought it was beyond impressive....initially I thought it was just behind X2 in terms of quality but now that I've let it sink in it may have even surpassed it. Its good to have Singer back (and he's forgiven for Superman Returns imo).

And honestly the film is so great that you just won't care that it disregards X3 and Wolverine. They just seem like distant memories.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The other thing I am looking forward to that I didn't mention in my previous post is all of the Xavier and Magneto interaction. As far as im concerned, magneto is the best realized character in the entire series, and by far my favorite character in the movies. I am very much looking forward to watching Xavier and Magneto go at each other.

[kedrell]

If there *are* continuity errors (major ones, I mean, not minor things like Xavier saying I met Erik at 17, and in FC meeting him older) then I will treat X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine as "official" continuity, with First Class being glorified fan fiction.

I have a feeling tho that whatever minor continuity errors there may be, there's not going to be any huge contradictions.

I think I'll be more apt to regard the 1st 4 films as the fan fiction and just start fresh here. I really have zero emotional attachment to any of them so for me it'll be easy.

[X-Maniac]

Just saw it for a second time! :hrt:

It's still fantastic, Vaughn has done a great job, he embraces the drama and themes and emotion as well as the fantasy elements. The auditorium was almost full too.