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As the title suggests what will Joker's role be in the next batman films (probably not counting with TDKR), wich actor should play him next?
Should the joker be the terrorist from TDK or should he go back to his comic book humble beginings?
Indy1Jones
05-26-2011, 07:49 PM
I say a little bit from both.
Dannyboy3D
06-02-2011, 12:26 AM
The TDK Joker is phenomenal. Heath Ledger played the role of his life...literally.
There's only one actor that I feel could handle this role as well as Ledger...
...and that's Daniel Day Lewis.
El Payaso
06-02-2011, 07:08 AM
He's not going to be. I think Nolan himself said so. Me? I'd recast him and go on.
He's not going to be. I think Nolan himself said so. Me? I'd recast him and go on.
I said i wasn't counting with Rises
Knight Rise
06-07-2011, 11:40 AM
Dead serious: Go watch "The Number 23" and "The Mask". JIM CARREY NEEDS A SHOT AT JOKER
Rodrigo90
06-07-2011, 08:53 PM
Here's my vision of Joker I'm writing for a script.
Like Heath's, creates himself deliberately.
Permanently dyes his hair green. Instead of being permanently white, he constantly bleaches his skin,so he wouldn't be bone white,but a deathly pale. No Glasgow Smile or Jack Nicholson grin. Has a smile tattooed across his mouth and cheeks, so that's permanent. The corners of his lips have been slightly cut away, so when he smiles,his gums and teeth are showing more. Wears blood red contacts to look more maniacal.
Dresses more cleaner and sharpish than Heath's Joker. Values his life more than his views this time, so he can live as long as Batman to do whatever he can to piss him off.
His laughing gas returns. Mixed with the poison of a water dropwort, causing the victim to laugh and die of the plants poison,while having a sardonic grin (caused from the plant) pulled across their faces.
And I have Johnny Depp in mind when writing him :)
Ponyboy
06-07-2011, 09:01 PM
I was under the impression Heath will be in the film in the scenes that were cut from TDK...? I don't think recasting him is appropriate at this point. Nolan's Joker was set... done... no need to have him appear again unless it's footage of Ledger that works with the new movie.
Knight Rise
06-07-2011, 09:07 PM
Depp couldn't do a good joker. That's never going to happen, people know that
Rodrigo90
06-08-2011, 06:19 AM
When Depp acts puffy as Jack Sparrow, I always see TAS Joker.
Ponyboy
06-08-2011, 06:22 AM
When Depp acts puffy as Jack Sparrow, I always see TAS Joker.
Or, to some, an overrated performance. ;)
Nah, I like Johnny Depp but I don't see him as The Joker.
Knight Rise
06-08-2011, 06:58 AM
Depp is a master of many sides, but one of them doesnt fall near Joker. Unless someone proves me otherwise, I've seen a lot of movies with Depp. He's more of a Riddler to me
The Morningstar
06-08-2011, 07:03 AM
Nic Cage should be the Joker. After seeing Bad LT: Port of Call New Orleans I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead... that Nic Cage would be an amazing Joker.
Knight Rise
06-08-2011, 07:24 AM
Does Cage have anything near that department? I haven't seen many with him
The Morningstar
06-08-2011, 10:10 AM
Near what department? The crazy department? You kidding me? lol. The guy is crazier than a sack of ferrets. Seriously, watch Bad LT Port of Call New Orleans. At the start of the film he's somewhat sane. But as it progresses he starts going crazier and crazier.
He's a fantastic actor, one of the best in the last 20 years. He just picks some truly awful roles a lot of the time.
Knight Rise
06-08-2011, 10:13 AM
Hm Ill check that out. But for now: Carrey for Joker
Kurt Wagner
06-12-2011, 09:13 AM
Dead serious: Go watch "The Number 23" and "The Mask". JIM CARREY NEEDS A SHOT AT JOKER
Definitely! Jim Carrey as the Joker would be sick!
cybercrow
07-09-2011, 08:50 AM
They may have to use Joker in a reboot since the actor is gone from The Dark Knight.
Knight Rise
07-09-2011, 11:42 AM
Idk about actor wise, but I want a classic Joker this time around.
Godzilla2014
07-09-2011, 09:02 PM
Idk about actor wise, but I want a classic Joker this time around.
What do you mean by that?
Anyway, I think it would be great if, in a film following a previous encounter between Batman and Joker, they used a scene like the opening of The Killing Joke, with Batman trying to stop the madness. That would be a really different and interesting way to open a superhero film. Think about it: Have you ever seen a superhero trying to make peace with his archenemy in a film before?
Knight Rise
07-09-2011, 09:33 PM
I mean something like a mix of John DiMaggio and Mark Hamill. Something that can lose his insanity and become unpredictable at any given moment
Godzilla2014
07-09-2011, 09:56 PM
I mean something like a mix of John DiMaggio and Mark Hamill. Something that can lose his insanity and become unpredictable at any given moment
I never saw Batman: Under the Red Hood, but I get what you're talking about. Can you show or tell me which qualities you would like from each?
Knight Rise
07-09-2011, 10:12 PM
Well, DiMaggio's Joker had much more of a merciless homicide and dark sense of humor. Combine that with a crazy wild fun Hamill Joker and I feel that would be an incredible outcome
Venom75
07-10-2011, 12:28 AM
Ledger's Joker was so iconic that if the Joker were used again(which I'm sure he will be),I think the producers would stay as far away from his version as possible...just to try and be different and set their Joker apart. I mean,there's no way you could top what Ledger did. I can see a more "comedic" Joker,but still with a sadistic edge. Maybe like Hamill's version in Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker. Wild,yet still very creepy.
Godzilla2014
07-10-2011, 12:55 AM
Ledger's Joker was so iconic that if the Joker were used again(which I'm sure he will be),I think the producers would stay as far away from his version as possible...just to try and be different and set their Joker apart. I mean,there's no way you could top what Ledger did. I can see a more "comedic" Joker,but still with a sadistic edge. Maybe like Hamill's version in Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker. Wild,yet still very creepy.
I liked that, I do wish that the DCAU Joker got to do more of that kind of thing before he died (in-universe).
Ironically, with Ledger's Joker they stayed as far away from Nicholson's version as possible.
Knight Rise
07-10-2011, 01:16 PM
Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him
The Joker
07-10-2011, 02:25 PM
How many serial killers do you know of who cut smiles on their victims faces, paint clown make up on them and pin Joker cards to their bodies?
Knight Rise
07-10-2011, 02:44 PM
Well none, but it is possible to expand beyond that
Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him
So which one is it?
Knight Rise
07-10-2011, 03:59 PM
So which one is it?
Lol I meant in the first one there were limits set in the film on what he did: cut people and blow things up
Godzilla2014
07-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him
I think you're missing the point of Heath Ledger's Joker in TDK. He's not just "blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people", he's assaulting law & order and even the concept of morality (and the belief in it) itself. He is the antithesis of Batman, trying to destroy what he upholds. This Joker has plenty of the dark humorous side, in fact he revels in it. He doesn't really jokes, he exposes the one he perceives society to be. It was this depth that is why The Dark Knight transcended audiences' preconceptions of the genre, and why many people think it was the best superhero movie of all time, and why Ledger's Joker is also considered the best comic book movie villain of all time. I think your criticism applies much more to Mark Hamill's Joker, actually.
How many serial killers do you know of who cut smiles on their victims faces, paint clown make up on them and pin Joker cards to their bodies?
Exactly. More than that, Heath Ledger's Joker is somehow similar, yet the antithesis of Christian Bale's Batman. Remember the description of him in the teaser trailer?
Alfred Pennyworth: "Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with."
Is it just me or could this apply to Batman's pursuit of the abstract concepts of justice and order nearly as well as the Joker's pursuit of the abstract concepts of anarchy and chaos?
The Bat
07-11-2011, 12:56 PM
Well, physically...nobody looks more like the Joker than Adrien Brody. Doesn't hurt that he can act as well.:cwink:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm974228480/nm0004778
Knight Rise
07-11-2011, 01:11 PM
Joker isn't just a physical role. It's part of it, but look at Heath and that outcome
The Bat
07-11-2011, 01:17 PM
Joker isn't just a physical role. It's part of it, but look at Heath and that outcome
No argument there, Heath owned the role...but the show must go as they say. And Brody is a decent actor, and different enough that it won't appear they are looking for a Clone of Heath as a replacement.
I don't think any of us want to see another Actor try and Copy Heath...do they?
Knight Rise
07-11-2011, 01:51 PM
We all know directors won't copy each others characters. But still, Joker and all, I personally don't see Brody
The Bat
07-11-2011, 02:40 PM
I personally don't see Brody
I can see Brody in the role...but I also like your suggestion of Jim Carrey. I love Jim and know he could totally pull it off. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll escape the stigma of playing the Riddler in Batman Forever. I think WB will want to stay clear of that.
But hey, you never know. Everybody said Chris Evans couldn't play Captain America because he played the Human Torch...and I think that's going to work out just fine.:yay:
Knight Rise
07-11-2011, 02:42 PM
Right, I just see Jim because he's had both sides of the playing field already, not to mention familiarity with Batman. He's got the most energy out of anyone to do it IMO
The Bat
07-11-2011, 03:17 PM
Right, I just see Jim because he's had both sides of the playing field already, not to mention familiarity with Batman. He's got the most energy out of anyone to do it IMO
Agreed. Jim does serious every bit as well as he does comedy.:yay:
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