Extremis

[Bubonic]

I feel incorporating parts of Ellis's Extremis would be the right direction to go for Iron Man 3.

He might have an edge due to the element he created but already we've seen that his tech can be replicated, has been replicated to some extent and the bad guys are always only a few steps behind.

As of the end of Iron Man 2 and leading into the Avengers he is made to realize that he isn't top dog, he lives in a world inhabited by monsters like Hulk and Abomination, Gods like Thor and Loki, and whatever massive threat that will bring the Avengers together.

He'll want to be super. He'll want to be the Invincible Iron Man and not just a man wearing a weapon.

[The Morningstar]

I think that is a plausible way to go. It's the next evolution of the armour. Making it one with himself.

[kedrell]

Eh, I'm really not liking that idea. I never much liked the idea of Tony getting 'powers'. It basically makes him into a cyborg. They still have him using voice commands in the movies. I think at least it would be better to have him develop some cybernetic interface in the helmet that allows him to control the armor by thought before they went so far as to actually link his central nervous system with the armor. It'd seem like they're skipping a step.

[Bubonic]

I might be a bit of a big jump but who knows how many IM movies we can come to expect in the future, and maybe he'll have the thought controlled suit by the time the Avengers comes out.

I don't think having the suit linked up to his nervous system would make him any less likeable than he is now.

It'll be a bit like when they decided to have Spider-man have organic webshooters, and that they imposed on us from the beginning, at least with an Extremis storyline it would be part of the Iron Man evolution.

[kedrell]

I've never liked organic webshooters much either. Maybe if it had been there from the begining I might have felt different, but that's just idle speculation. One of the defining aspects of Iron Man has always been that he's just human. No gamma, no radiation, no mutations or serums or godhood. Just a guy with the smarts and the means to keep up with all the weirdness in the marvel U. Might as well give Batman powers while you're at it.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

I hope they go with Extremis. Making Stark Iron Man on the inside aswell as on the out isnt much different then where he is at now. He may be just a man but he isnt like u or me. He is one of the greatest and most powerfull marvel heroes of today. Having the tech to make u "super" isnt much different then haveing the genes.
Batman is one of the greatest martial artists and detectives in the DCU ive seen him do many things in the comics that are pausible for humans to do but not ordinary and in the real world would be considered super human. Meditation, contortions, Mastery over the body and mind. Any changes they do to the characters are fine as long as they fit with the character. Extremis fits perfect with Tony as he is a scientist. If batmans years in the dark caused his eyes to adapt to seeing better in the dark then that would be his own evolution and fit into his character. This is pausible to happen too so putting it into the comics is not a stretch.
Kedrell i understand what ur getting at and part of me sides with u. In some way what ur saying is that Extremis is like if batman actually became Manbat to fight crime. So i get it. Its a good debate as how far to go with these character evolutions and when they are ok and not.

[kedrell]

I just think there's enough super-guys/gals running around that the few who aren't don't need to lose any members.

[Adamantium Man]

As a trained biologist, I really, really have trouble suspending disbelief when it comes to things stored "in the hollow of one's bones". Apart from the ouch factor involved in having all that metal traveling through the body and breaking the skin each time it is deployed, it's not a good idea to expose the bones to contaminants. Armor on top of Tony's body gets spat at by decidedly non-sterile monster, fight battle, retract armor + monster spit into the bones? Ack. So not a good idea.

(I know, the armor isn't plausible in the first place, but I can accept that much. The Extremis armor is where my mind draws the line.)

[Bubonic]

Does Tony still have the Extremis armor, if not how'd they remedy it?

[Adamantium Man]

AFAIK, Extremis became infected during the Skrull invasion, and he had to get rid of it. But his current armor (the Bleeding Edge armor) is based on modifications to his body he made while he had Extremis. Now, the whole armor (not just the undersheath) is stored in the hollows of his bones and powered by an electromagnet/RT rig in his chest. Basically, he can make it do anything he wants, including looking like normal clothes, or make eyeballs anywhere on his body.

[Bubonic]

That's pushing it beyond even where I like it.

[kedrell]

Yeah, I don't like the sound of that not one bit.

[kedrell]

The one thing I did like about the Extremis armor(aside from how it looked, :up:) was the whole way it could assemble itself on the wearer really quickly with vectored repulsers. I wouldn't mind keeping that aspect of it and eventually seeing it in an Iron Man movie.

[Bubonic]

He'll definitely want to make some serious upgrades after being manhandled by the likes of Hulk and whatever super powered beings in the Avengers, he'll have backup yes, but there will be some serious whoop ass being opened I am sure.

[Hypestyle]

extremis would be intriguing.. and a more "simple" villain to do compared to the Mandarin and such..

[Sentinel X]

As a trained biologist, I really, really have trouble suspending disbelief when it comes to things stored "in the hollow of one's bones". Apart from the ouch factor involved in having all that metal traveling through the body and breaking the skin each time it is deployed, it's not a good idea to expose the bones to contaminants. Armor on top of Tony's body gets spat at by decidedly non-sterile monster, fight battle, retract armor + monster spit into the bones? Ack. So not a good idea.

(I know, the armor isn't plausible in the first place, but I can accept that much. The Extremis armor is where my mind draws the line.) I have to say I'm a bit confused as to how you have trouble suspending disbelief given your screen name

Anyhow extremis is a my favorite Iron Man story by far however it is too dark for the tone they've established for this series so far. They should save it for the inevitable reboot.

[Bubonic]

I actually didn't mean to suggest a complete adaptation of Extremis, I did say incorporating parts of.
I rather meant him updating his armour in such a way in order to feel superior or on par with the new class of baddies he'll inevitably be facing.

[Tony Stark]

I think Extremis is the wrong way to go. The one thing that Favreau got right is keeping Tony reliant on the suit to live. I hated in the comics when Tony cured his heart condition thus making wearing the chest piece optional. That's something Lee/Kirby totally got right with the character from the get go.

I think the movies have made clear that Tony is one with the suit, he IS Iron Man, and while others can use the technology, they can never control it like Tony does.

Extremis was an interesting comic read, but since Secret Invasion the Extremis suit is useless anyway.

[Adamantium Man]

I have to say I'm a bit confused as to how you have trouble suspending disbelief given your screen name

And I'm confused what my screen name has to do with anything :P

I can suspend my disbelief enough to buy that a clever man can build an armored suit that can fly. I'll even happily go along with them if/when they decide to put the armor (not just the pared-down Mark X, but the full battle armor Mark Whateveritwillbe in IM3) into a suitcase and make it fly apart to assemble onto Tony's body in the field by vectored repulsor fields. I can't buy into things stored in the hollow of the bones and going back and forth across the tissues of the body.

Clearer now?

[Sentinel X]

And I'm confused what my screen name has to do with anything :P

I can suspend my disbelief enough to buy that a clever man can build an armored suit that can fly. I'll even happily go along with them if/when they decide to put the armor (not just the pared-down Mark X, but the full battle armor Mark Whateveritwillbe in IM3) into a suitcase and make it fly apart to assemble onto Tony's body in the field by vectored repulsor fields. I can't buy into things stored in the hollow of the bones and going back and forth across the tissues of the body.

Clearer now?
Well I said that because I thought you chose your screen name based off wolverine and similar characters whose bodily modifications sound just as absurd as Extremis's Iron Man, in my opinion. :oldrazz:

Personally, in this case I can suspend disbelief only because there have been a lot of advancements in nanotechnology that sounded absolutely absurd 10 years ago. Using nanotechnology for gene therapy, cellular repair, anti-aging, bone repair, etc shows that its going to play a big role in the future. This is why I think the change done in Iron man Extremis was a really good one and a relevant upgrade to the character.

[Iron_Stark]

Extremis and the Haunted storylines is the way to go for the sequel.

[Adamantium Man]

I love Haunted. It's one of the best storylines in the comics, imo. I'd love something like that in the sequel - a bit detective story, a bit suspense, and a lot Mandarin :D

But that sort of story doesn't necessarily require the Extremis armor. That would take its own storyline to set up. Also, you can have nanotech in the suit without the Extremis virus. With nanotech alone, the suit can be thought-controlled, self-repairing, and deployable in the field, all without turning Tony into a cyborg.

[Adamantium Man]

Well I said that because I thought you chose your screen name based off wolverine and similar characters whose bodily modifications sound just as absurd as Extremis's Iron Man, in my opinion. :oldrazz:

Yeah, but the Wolverine association was yours. Adamantium Man could just as easily be an Iron Man made of Adamantium, and that requires no body modifications. :word:

Personally, in this case I can suspend disbelief only because there have been a lot of advancements in nanotechnology that sounded absolutely absurd 10 years ago. Using nanotechnology for gene therapy, cellular repair, anti-aging, bone repair, etc shows that its going to play a big role in the future. This is why I think the change done in Iron man Extremis was a really good one and a relevant upgrade to the character.

It's exactly because nanotech isn't pure science fiction anymore that I have trouble with it doing things it can't possibly do. A fleet of nanobots with the mass of the Iron Man suit (or even just the undersheath) would need hours to permeate the body from the bones to the surface of the skin, even if it were possible for them to move in and out of bones.

But I grant you that it makes sense that Tony would use nanotech for the suit. There's no reason why he'd incorporate the suit into his body like this, though. It was a cool idea in the comics, but it would stretch credibility in live-action, imo.

[Sentinel X]

I understand your point but comic book movies are full of psuedoscience and they've never attempted to make them scientifically accurate or else there wouldn't be much of a film. If we even look at the body suit Iron Man uses, there is no way it would be able to make him as powerful or durable as it does in the comics or movies.
Like when he goes crashing into a bus a 60 mph or careening down from hundreds of feet above his house and plummeting through several floors of his home; if there were a robotic body suit like Iron Man it would not be able to protect him from such damage...he would've broken several bones at the very least and more than likely he would have died. So in terms of scientific accuracy the Iron Man movies still fail in that respect but I still enjoy them for what they are.

[kaijunexus]

Anyhow extremis is a my favorite Iron Man story by far however it is too dark for the tone they've established for this series so far. They should save it for the inevitable reboot.

UGH!!! I hate this line of thinking! Why are people tolerant of reboots, let alone in favor of them!?!

There's absolutely no reason to reboot anything in the MCU. Actors can be replaced without restarting the entire franchise. Plus, the way all of the films are interconnected, rebooting one characters necessitates a reboot of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe.

No. Reboots. Ever.

[Adamantium Man]

^ This.

Recasts, yes. Reboots, no. Reboots are only necessary once you're written yourself into a corner. The MCU is decades away from that point. They're only just getting started.

[Bubonic]

I definitely agree with the no reboots clause.
MCU has something good going, they really haven't produced any awful movies, they've established a functional universe, and when I'm an old man I want to have a library of 20 or more interconnected films.

[Sentinel X]

I'm cool with reboots. These are comic book films, meaning that they have had many different perspectives and takes on their respective characters in the past. Its really no big deal as long as studios give it some time from the last film.
I don't understand how people can be so anti-reboot...in cases like Batman & Robin, did you really want a sequel to that?

[Bubonic]

That's apples and turds when you start comparing batman & robin to anything Marvel Studios has released.

I just don't feel that any of the Marvel Studios productions warrant going back to formula.

I'm anti reboot of these particular franchises because I don't want to always have to start over again like some cinematic ragnarok.

The films so far have been fine, I'd like them to be taken as canon, I'd like 10 years down the line to have an Iron Man movie that'll be part of the canon established by the ones we are seeing now.

I honestly wouldn't even need pure Iron Man movies at that point, or Captain America movies, or anything else, but Marvel movies, when the individual stories get exhausted we can have movies when 2 or more heroes work closely together, not necessarily the Avengers, but things like Iron Man teaming up with Dr.Strange for whatever reason.

[Adamantium Man]

Reboots are a sign of writers having run out of all other options. They're Plan Z. I don't want that anywhere near my MCU.

Also, what Bubonic said.

[Raiden]

That's apples and turds when you start comparing batman & robin to anything Marvel Studios has released.

I just don't feel that any of the Marvel Studios productions warrant going back to formula.

I'm anti reboot of these particular franchises because I don't want to always have to start over again like some cinematic ragnarok.

The films so far have been fine, I'd like them to be taken as canon, I'd like 10 years down the line to have an Iron Man movie that'll be part of the canon established by the ones we are seeing now.

I honestly wouldn't even need pure Iron Man movies at that point, or Captain America movies, or anything else, but Marvel movies, when the individual stories get exhausted we can have movies when 2 or more heroes work closely together, not necessarily the Avengers, but things like Iron Man teaming up with Dr.Strange for whatever reason.

I agree. They should really only do it when they have finished telling the current stories and wanted a clean slate many years down the line. Most of the time, they should just recast the actor(s) and continue the series instead.

[tamron]

I wouldn't want to see them go full on Extremis were the armor is inside him. However, I wouldn't mind if it was just an undersheath connected to Jarvis that allows him to call the armor to him from anywhere. I think that can work a little more plausibly within the pseudo-reality that's been established.