The Official Green Lantern Review Thread - Part 1

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[S.A.A.D.]

Welcome to the Green Lantern review thread. We are a little less than two weeks away from the release, and reactions and thoughts are beginning to seep in. I'll be collecting and posting them as they come in.

Be aware that the movie is getting released earlier for some people than others, so please be respectful and use Spoiler tags. I repeat...USE SPOILER TAGS.

Total Film: http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/green-lantern, 2/5 stars
The Village Voice: http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-06-15/film/green-lantern-does-not-light-up-the-screen/
Time Out New York: http://newyork.timeout.com/arts-culture/film/1554905/green-lantern
Sky Mobile: http://movies.sky.com/green-lantern/review, 3/5 stars.
Hollywood Reporter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/green-lantern-film-review-201389
Variety: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117945442/
Hitflix: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-awkward-uneven-green-lantern-packs-no-punch
James King: http://www.jameskingmovies.com/green-lantern-a-review
IGN: http://movies.ign.com/articles/117/1175316p1.html
Financial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/da02da98-976d-11e0-af13-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1PMuNNNzd
Joblo: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/review-the-green-lantern
Emanuel Levy: http://www.emanuellevy.com/review/green-lantern-the/
UGO: http://www.ugo.com/movies/green-lantern-review
DailyBlam: http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/06/15/jeromys-movie-review-green-lantern-0
Bleeding Cool: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/15/review-green-lantern/

[Man of Tomorrow]

That ign one hit hard. Worse than Wolverine? Ouch. The last line really sums up that review. 'Green Lantern deserved better'.


I'm not going to make up my mind till watching it, but unless this thing magically gets better WoM......


I think the next time we could see Green Lantern would be in a complete reboot, not a sequel.


This 300 Million price tag is gonna make it incredibly challenging to be profitable by WB's standards. IMO Warner's were expecting incredible financial returns on this.

[Sith Scotti]

I think as a fan of dc and hoping for future dc projects it is my duty to see this in theaters . Even if its a turkey , it iss the sacrifice I must make to hopefully get a Flash or Green Arrow film one day.

I survived Batman & Robin . I highly douBt Green Lantern can be as THAT .

[SuperDaniel]

That IGN review was ridiculous. I knew from the start that there wasn't going to be a huge battle with the corps. There's simple no money for that.

[jmc]

I'm not going to make up my mind till watching it, but unless this thing magically gets better WoM......


I think the next time we could see Green Lantern would be in a complete reboot, not a sequel.


This 300 Million price tag is gonna make this incredibly challenging.

Talk of sequels and reboots is far too early imo.

[SatEL]

I feel totally drained from all the negative reviews, I think its just a case of waiting and seeing the movie myself. If it sucks at least I can decide that for myself.

[spider-neil]

I loved Iron Man 2 and thought it was better than the first so to each their own.


same here, well apart from being better than the first one but I loved the heck out of IM2

[moviedoors]

yes, the biggest money maker of the year and demanding an immediate threequel would spell disaster.

Money, shmoney, I'm talking about quality. Transformers was literally the worst film going experience I've ever had in my life. In addition to being incomprehensibly awful, it was depressing as hell that in general, audiences liked it and gave it all kinds of money. If Green Lantern sucks, I'd rather it tank at the box office than have audiences eat it up thus perpetuating cinematic atrocities. That's why Green Lantern being this summer's Transformers would be just about the worst thing ever.

[S.A.A.D.]

I didn't care for most of IGN's disappointments. Especially Angela as Amanda Waller. Criticisms mean absolutely nothing when they aren't provable and realistic.

[spider-neil]

for the record I enjoyed (but didn't love)
SM3
X3
predator 2
and these movies are slammed so I will judge GL for myself. that said I didn't really enjoy first flight.

[craigdbfan]

@moviedoor This summers Transformers will be Transformers.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Talk of sequels and reboots is far too early imo.

It will be fair conversation by tomorrow when everyone sees it.

Especially considering how this film could impact the possibility of Flash materializing.

Though, MAYBE Geoff Johns should be kept out of Flash.


I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.

[Supermanreturns]

That IGN review was ridiculous. I knew from the start that there wasn't going to be a huge battle with the corps. There's simple no money for that.

Like the others that are non talking good of the movie? :whatever:

[jmc]

Was it Johns that kept harping on about how great the film was going to be?

[Blackman]

Nah I disagree they shouldnt get Nolan to godfather all DC films.
Was it Johns that kept harping on about how great the film was going to be?

Yeah but you know he probably was not going to bash the movie if he didnt like it. That's why I honestly dont listen to a cast or crew members opinion of the movie.

[moviedoors]

wasn't there a review embargo on titantic? embargo doesn't instantly = rubbush.

At this juncture, can we really argue that WB didn't want the negative word to get out? I don't think so.

[SuperDaniel]

I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.
That wouldn`t be a bad idea. I personally don't think he`s that good. Superman Secret Origins SUCKED and the NEW DC and Superman is just ridiculous.

[spider-neil]

Money, shmoney, I'm talking about quality. Transformers was literally the worst film going experience I've ever had in my life. In addition to being incomprehensibly awful, it was depressing as hell that in general, audiences liked it and gave it all kinds of money. If Green Lantern sucks, I'd rather it tank at the box office than have audiences eat it up thus perpetuating cinematic atrocities. That's why Green Lantern being this summer's Transformers would be just about the worst thing ever.


even if spidey SUCKS I want it to be a finacial success so we see sequels.
look at X-Men: wolverine and X-Men: first class. where there are movies there is hope and if a movie tanks then there is no hope as there will be no sequel.

[craigdbfan]

I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.

I think WB/DC is thinking exactly this. If Nolan will do it remains to be seen but I'm sure WB/DC will chuck out a good load of cash in front of him to commit to more producing/writing ideas for future DC adaptations.

[S.A.A.D.]

Nolan for all DC Comics movies? Hell no.

[Raiden]

Even though I'm a Marvel fan, I wanted GL to do well because it's about time that DC looks beyond Batman and Superman as superheroes to consider adapting on the big screen, but I've had an uneasy feeling about this movie from the beginning and I'm not too surprised by the incoming flux of negative reviews. Although I like Ryan Reynold, like Chris Evans he has had the reputation of being only known for his roles as jocks and from the look of it, the script for GL didn't help this problem. But Evans has look great in the Capt. America trailers, and I think it's an easier sell setting a movie in WWII than an alien planet called Oa. Right now, I think GL may be fighting an uphill battle if it has rotten status in RT, but given the hype and good WOM, it may buck the trend and do decently at the BO. If we want to see movies made about Flash, WW, and other none-Supe&Bat movies, though, GL will have to do better than that.

[The Sage]

It will be fair conversation by tomorrow when everyone sees it.

Especially considering how this film could impact the possibility of Flash materializing.

Though, MAYBE Geoff Johns should be kept out of Flash.


I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.

Bump that, they need to keep trucking along and find someone for each film. The right combinations are out there, but need to be found.

I like Nolan, but each future film needs its own team. Besides, we haven't seen Man of Steel yet, so we can't say whether his "godfathering" is good or not.

[Sith Scotti]

Was it Johns that kept harping on about how great the film was going to be?

He wasn't going to say it was going to bomb , if he wants to still be employed by DC

[Blackman]

I love Nolan. TDK is my favorite movie of all time, but I dont see the point on why Nolan needs to godfather all DC movies.

[SuperDaniel]

He can assure quality. At least a good movie is going to be made. It seems that the problem with GL is that it is too similar to the comics and that doesn't make it a good movie.

[Steyin]

Money, shmoney, I'm talking about quality. Transformers was literally the worst film going experience I've ever had in my life. In addition to being incomprehensibly awful, it was depressing as hell that in general, audiences liked it and gave it all kinds of money. If Green Lantern sucks, I'd rather it tank at the box office than have audiences eat it up thus perpetuating cinematic atrocities. That's why Green Lantern being this summer's Transformers would be just about the worst thing ever.

I loved TF, still do. Hell I even enjoyed TF2. Not hard to like something that as a kid I knew was cheesy, even more so when its based off of toys.

I'm still pumped to see GL, I was never expecting too much for a first film, but even with all the footage I've seen I still think I'll enjoy it.

[terry78]

Well, we'll see how it fares. Even if it is a blockbuster box office wise, the reviews are what a lot of fanboys will ultimately care about.

[Son of Coul]

It will be fair conversation by tomorrow when everyone sees it.

Especially considering how this film could impact the possibility of Flash materializing.

Though, MAYBE Geoff Johns should be kept out of Flash.


I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.

I wouldn't go with this mindset, it's a very closed way of thinking that the studio execs tend to do. When TIH didn't do bad, but underperformed, Marvel didn't say Favreau should oversee every production (granted, they made him exec producer on Avengers but that's small potatoes compared to Nolan's involvement).

I'm sort of glad they tried something different even if it didn't work out, especially something like bringing an apparently renowned comic writer on board. Granted, if having Nolan on board would've meant a better movie it surely would've been worth it, but I think it's good to have a little experimentation on the studios' part.

[Blackman]

Bump that, they need to keep trucking along and find someone for each film. The right combinations are out there, but need to be found.

I like Nolan, but each future film needs its own team. Besides, we haven't seen Man of Steel yet, so we can't say whether his "godfathering" is good or not.

Exactly, Honestly I didnt even like that they got the same writers for Flash as they had for GL. Get different writers, different directors, different actors,

[moviedoors]

I didn't care for most of IGN's disappointments. Especially Angela as Amanda Waller. Criticisms mean absolutely nothing when they aren't provable and realistic.
Provable and realistic? It's a review! By its very nature, it's a subjective piece of writing. Things like "provability," "realistic," and "objective" need not apply.

And again, how can any of you be saying these reviews are getting it wrong when you HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I think WB/DC is thinking exactly this. If Nolan will do it remains to be seen but I'm sure WB/DC will chuck out a good load of cash in front of him to commit to more producing/writing ideas for future DC adaptations.

Yup.

Nolan's team is already relaunching Batman after TDKR, confirmed by Robinov. Nolan will serve as producer.

Nolan is relaunching Superman too.

If they can get him to relaunch GL and launch Flash, we would have a solid lineup of WB's big hitters.

Enough to warrant a JL film someday in the far future hopefully.

[Raiden]

Nolan for all DC Comics movies? Hell no.

Yeah, we haven't even see the Superman reboot sheparded by Nolan, and I think it is too early to declare that all the movies should be given the Nolan supervision. I like Chris Nolan & most of his movies, particularly BB & TDK, but I think it is a sign of insecurity to give Nolan the authority to reshape DC Universe for the cinema.

[jmc]

Nolan isn't the answer for every character.

[theShape]

I had high hopes for this. Gotta say the negative reaction is disheartening. I just don't get how they could **** this up so badly...

[terry78]

When people get desperate they start grasping for anything.

[SuperDaniel]

If Superman is a success, it is going to prove he can do it.

[Milkman95]

Joblo's Review Synopsis:

GREEN LANTERN is not the end all be all of superhero films, however it will bode well for audiences tired of the brooding caped crusader, those who are looking for a little more camp with their comic flick. While the story can be interesting, the script itself is uneven and all over the place without ever stirring up the thrill factor. The effects are generally very good, however there are moments that fail to impress, especially when Parallax expands into one giant mess of a monster – the beast is creepy, especially when you get a sense of the evil inside. As far as the actors go, Lively, Sarsgaard and Strong give solid performances. Reynolds is good throughout most of his evil-bashing duties, yet sometimes he could let a little bit of vulnerability shine through his CG suit. Maybe the sequel will be able to conjure up a little bit more dazzle with its emerald rays of light

He gave it a 6 out of 10

Not bad, I do believe GL is delivering something different, so I hope it does well with general audiences.

[Sith Scotti]

Nolan isn't the answer for every character.
well ..... I do think they need to have someone in charge of dc films and that person needs somwe sort of filmmaking experience because right now outside of Nolan DC superhero films are a mess

[Man of Tomorrow]

He can assure quality. At least a good movie is going to be made. It seems that the problem with GL is that it is too similar to the comics and that doesn't make it a good movie.

Yep.

"Man of Steel" has a mediocre director, Zack Snyder.

BUT it has solid casting and a solid script, thanks to Nolan and crew. That's what GL lacked according to these reviews.

It sounds like the entire approach to this character was flawed.

[craigdbfan]

I'm not saying Nolan's right for all the DC titles but clearly Martin Campell and company weren't fit for the job either. Just trying to point out that WB now clearly sees Nolan as some form of golden goose and will try to stretch this out for DC others property. How long and far they can keep doing this remains to be seen but I'm sure there's a point where Nolan will just say "enough".

DC/WB need to do some serious restructuring after this.

[Motown Marvel]

relaunching/rebooting GL would be stupid. as are most reboots/relaunches. just because a film is subpar doesnt mean you puss out and reboot. what you do is produce a sequel thats far better in quality.

[craigdbfan]

Yup.

Nolan's team is already relaunching Batman after TDKR, confirmed by Robinov. Nolan will serve as producer.

Nolan is relaunching Superman too.

If they can get him to relaunch GL and launch Flash, we would have a solid lineup of WB's big hitters.

Enough to warrant a JL film someday in the far future hopefully.

WB/DC is probably taking that under serious consideration, I just wonder if Nolan will be down.

[SuperDaniel]

If it makes enough money to warrant a sequel...

[jmc]

well ..... I do think they need to have someone in charge of dc films and that person needs some sort of filmmaking experience because right now outside of Nolan DC superhero films are a mess

That's assuming Chris would want to shepard DC adaptations. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't want to be stuck around superheros forever.

[terry78]

More than likely Nolan will be like, "I'm done with all that, I've assisted with Supes and I'm finishing up Bats, I want to chill." It's like the guy that every chicks wants only because he's so aloof and turning them down. DC may need to look at Marvel and see what they're doing. Bringing in fresh talent, guys in the industry that have some knowledge of the genre, but not so much that they're blinded to what makes a good story.

[Man of Tomorrow]

This is from Superherohype:

While on paper, Ryan Reynolds should make a decent Hal Jordan, his limited range as an actor is painfully obvious as he's essentially playing the same character he's played in every other movie only this time wearing CG spandex. He gives it a fine college effort to bring his usual charms to the character, but he's no Robert Downey Jr. and the dialogue he's given does little to make Hal likeable.


Van Wilder in Space.

[Motown Marvel]

ugh, i so do not want nolan involved in everything.

[Man of Tomorrow]

More than likely Nolan will be like, "I'm done with all that, I've assisted with Supes and I'm finishing up Bats, I want to chill." It's like the guy that every chicks wants only because he's so aloof and turning them down.

Nolan's already confirmed by Robinov to be the producer of Batman 4. It sounds like WB is trying to keep the same people godfathering Batman to ensure quality.

Smart move though.

[J.Howlett]

Nolan won't. When he's done with Bat's, he'll be done.

His wife has already stated that he has a much, much smaller film in mind after Rises.

[Motown Marvel]

This is from Superherohype:


Van Wilder in Space.
from the beginning this has been my concern with RR. i've been vocal with my discomfort with him in the role, but i've tried to make the best of it. hoping for the best. hoping to be wrong. sigh.

[Timstuff]

Ugh. We've managed to go the whole summer without a high profile flop, I really don't want it to be Green Lantern. :(

[Apollo]

hmm It's starting to appear that Green Lantern is this years Fantastic Four...

oh well :hal::awesome:

[Man of Tomorrow]

relaunching/rebooting GL would be stupid. as are most reboots/relaunches. just because a film is subpar doesnt mean you puss out and reboot. what you do is produce a sequel thats far better in quality.

I think you need a reboot similar to "Incredible Hulk"

Different cast, different director, different approach. Ditch all the cartoony CGI for more practical effects. Go for a different tone.

And have the film start with an established hero, without going back and doing the origins again.

[terry78]

See, the thing is that bothers me if it is, this will make DC not to want to leave their comfort zone of Batman and Superman. The rest of the JLA, let alone the rest of the DC Universe won't see the light of day in live action form, except maybe on tv.

[Sith Scotti]

That's assuming Chris would want to shepard DC adaptations. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't want to be stuck around superheros forever.
I am not saying it has to be him , but clearly DC needs to look at Marvel and learn a lesson from them , because in mind dc has better characters but 2nd tier characters from Marvel are getter better treatment than Green Lantern and even Superman ( until MOS at least)

[SuperDaniel]

IMO, GL might be a movie that would be better if its completely animated. There isnt enough money to make this kind of movie reach every potential unless you're George Lucas or James Cameron.People were expecting too much out of this for an origin movie.They expected a 4 hour space epic with 3600 lanterns fighting parallax which we know wasnt going to happen in this...

[moviedoors]

IMO, GL might be a movie that would be better if its completely animated. There isnt enough money to make this kind of movie reach every potential unless you're George Lucas...People expect too much out of this for an origin movie...

Wanting a good movie is expecting too much?

[Kane52630]

See, the thing is that bothers me if it is, this will make DC not to want to leave their comfort zone of Batman and Superman. The rest of the JLA, let alone the rest of the DC Universe won't see the light of day in live action form, except maybe on tv.

Same here, I really want to see this movie to do great in terms of BO and Critical/Audience reception to go forward with other DC characters.

[S.A.A.D.]

I'm ready for round 2. :word:

[moviedoors]

I am not saying it has to be him , but clearly DC needs to look at Marvel and learn a lesson from them , because in mind dc has better characters but 2nd tier characters from Marvel are getter better treatment than Green Lantern and even Superman ( until MOS at least)

It might be time for WB to go crawling back to George Miller on hands and knees.

[Apollo]

If they do a seqeul, they should keep it in the same universe, but get a different green Lantern, like John Stewart! and have him as the main character.

soooo while van wilder is to busy getting drunk at a sorority party in which he doesn't belong..Joh stewart comes in to REDIGNIFY the human race as the new green Lantern! :woot::kyle:

[terry78]

The fact that they couldn't even figure out how to get Wonder Woman on tv OR the movies already is a sign. With all the writers that have fleshed her out as of late in the books, getting them as consultants or even screenplay writing should have been priority one.

[Sith Scotti]

IMO, GL might be a movie that would be better if its completely animated. There isnt enough money to make this kind of movie reach every potential unless you're George Lucas or James Cameron.People were expecting too much out of this for an origin movie.They expected a 4 hour space epic with 3600 lanterns fighting parallax which we know wasnt going to happen in this...

Come on , Thor was a damn good film , and Serenity's budget is about 1/8 of Green Lantern . Green Lantern's budget ain't the problem

[SuperDaniel]

If GL fails, they will make Justice League and introduce the characters there, outside Batman and Superman.

[Man of Tomorrow]

See, the thing is that bothers me if it is, this will make DC not to want to leave their comfort zone of Batman and Superman. The rest of the JLA, let alone the rest of the DC Universe won't see the light of day in live action form, except maybe on tv.

This is very possible.

But I think Flash and GL will be the biggest casualties if this happens.. I hope it doesn't.

[Lighthouse]

The great thing about Green Lantern is that if it flops, you don't need to do a reboot, you can just do another Lantern, like John or Kyle. Personally, I always liked Kyle better then Hal. Or even better, Guy Gardner.

[Delete]

Joblo's Review Synopsis:

GREEN LANTERN is not the end all be all of superhero films, however it will bode well for audiences tired of the brooding caped crusader, those who are looking for a little more camp with their comic flick. While the story can be interesting, the script itself is uneven and all over the place without ever stirring up the thrill factor. The effects are generally very good, however there are moments that fail to impress, especially when Parallax expands into one giant mess of a monster – the beast is creepy, especially when you get a sense of the evil inside. As far as the actors go, Lively, Sarsgaard and Strong give solid performances. Reynolds is good throughout most of his evil-bashing duties, yet sometimes he could let a little bit of vulnerability shine through his CG suit. Maybe the sequel will be able to conjure up a little bit more dazzle with its emerald rays of light

He gave it a 6 out of 10

Not bad, I do believe GL is delivering something different, so I hope it does well with general audiences.


That doesn't read so much as an endorsement as an excuse to crap on Batman

[Marvin]

Campbell would probably make a solid Batman movie(the action would be a lot better for one). I just think there were too many cooks in the kitchen for this film. Considering what WB needs and what Johns needs and what the producers want, and the crappy effects house that they were stuck with and blake lively and so on.

Nolan on board would mean more control yes, but he's hardly any more capable in this situation than campbell was, he just got to make a film in his genre (THRLLER), whereas Campbell is stuck making a superhero movie for a studio imo.

And no, considering Transformers is just about the 3rd strongest brand on the market right this minute, I'd say GL would only be so lucky.

[Supermanreturns]

Come on , Thor was a damn good film , and Serenity's budget is about 1/8 of Green Lantern . Green Lantern's budget ain't the problem
They must wait some years and reboot it like Incredible Hulk.

[S.A.A.D.]

I don't have a problem with Ryan Reynolds sort of acting like himself in the movie, I haven't seen enough of his movies to get annoyed by him playing himself in a movie to an extent.

[terry78]

Even if this doesn't do as well, sequel wise, just bring on Guy and John as the supporting cast, make it an ensemble thing so it's the same, yet different.

[Denny67]

Wanting a good movie is expecting too much?

Bingo!

I see so many fans posting who are saying they will love this film no matter what. I hope they realize that doing that does not help things at all. It actually makes things worse for comic adaptations when you vote with your dollar and settle for comic book movie adaptation mediocrity; forgiving just about every shotcoming. It just encourages bad movie production and the notion that movies adapted from comics are not to be taken seriously.

I say make up your own mind on any movie but when it is all said and done, don’t be scared to be honest about it. :hal:

[moviedoors]

They expected a 4 hour space epic with 3600 lanterns fighting parallax which we know wasnt going to happen in this...

I wasn't expecting a 4 hour movie, but after all the ads showing the Corp apparently getting pumped for battle, it wasn't unreasonable to expect them to actually fight something. Not to mention the leaked first draft featured plenty of the Corp kicking ass at the end.

[SuperDaniel]

The great thing about Green Lantern is that if it flops, you don't need to do a reboot, you can just do another Lantern, like John or Kyle. Personally, I always liked Kyle better then Hal. Or even better, Guy Gardner.
I've always thought that the destruction of coast city, fall of Hal Jordan and recruitment of Kyle Rayner would make a damn good movie. People love to see bad stuff happening.

[Timstuff]

We haven't even seen it yet at people are already discussing the obligatory Christopher Nolan-fostered reboot. That's is just depressing, guys. Is this really what Nolan and DC have done to us, or are you guys just being silly? :o

[Man of Tomorrow]

If GL fails, they will make Justice League and introduce the characters there, outside Batman and Superman.

Too risky.

Justice League:Mortal was going to do this, and it employed the same approach and tone that GL has here. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

IMO. They need to completely reinvent their approach to GL if they want to redeem his character.

There's huge market potential for this character, but a mediocre film with bad WoM is going to hinder it.

[terry78]

We haven't even seen it yet at people are already discussing the obligatory Christopher Nolan-fostered reboot. That's is just depressing, guys. Is this really what Nolan and DC have done to us, or are you guys just being silly? :o

Yes, we're that fickle.

[SuperDaniel]

Too risky.

Justice League:Mortal was going to do this, and it employed the same approach and tone that GL has here. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

IMO. They need to completely reinvent their approach to GL if they want to redeem his character.

There's huge market potential for this character, but a mediocre film with bad WoM is going to hinder it.
Make a movie based on Emerald Dawn. That would be great, imo.

[S.A.A.D.]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism. I can't put my finger on why they appear to be that way. In my mind I'm like "If the movie is bad then why is your review so light on criticism?"

[Man of Tomorrow]

The great thing about Green Lantern is that if it flops, you don't need to do a reboot, you can just do another Lantern, like John or Kyle. Personally, I always liked Kyle better then Hal. Or even better, Guy Gardner.


Nah.

Hal's the best, and IMO he need to be redeemed and de-Reynolds-ized.


Hal has the best mythology and storylines to work with too.

It sounds like Ryan's version of Hal was more like Guy Gardner anyway.

[terry78]

I'm waiting for either Ebert or Roeper's review tomorrow or Friday. Those two always give ample reason why they like or dislike something.

[SuperDaniel]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism.
True. I'm still bummed by the SHH review. It makes no sense whatsoever. The guy even criticized how Sinestro looks...?!!?! WTF??

[HighFivingMF]

It sounds like Ryan's version of Hal was more like Guy Gardner anyway.

... Not even remotely. A PG-13 Jeremy Renner in The Town? That's Guy.

[Blackman]

Make a movie based on Emerald Dawn. That would be great, imo.


Yeah but you know he probably was not going to bash the movie if he didnt like it. That's why I honestly dont listen to a cast or crew members opinion of the movie.
I always thought a GL series should be
1st: Hal
2nd: Hal Jon and Guy (Part Emarald Dawn)
3rd: Kyle John and Guy
4th: The return of Hal. (Part Rebirth part War of Light

[SuperDaniel]

Nah.

Hal's the best, and IMO he need to be redeemed and de-Reynolds-ized.


Hal has the best mythology and storylines to work with too.

It sounds like Ryan's version of Hal was more like Guy Gardner anyway.
Hal`s personality has always been bland and not appealing at all.

[Gamma Burst]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism. I can't put my finger on why they appear to be that way.

Nah. You just want to disregard them because they are negative.

[Lighthouse]

I thought Drew McWeeney's review was pretty detailed.

[Supermanreturns]

True. I'm still bummed by the SHH review. It makes no sense whatsoever. The guy even criticized how Sinestro looks...?!!?! WTF??
It 's always hard to accept the fact that the film can be really bad ...

Nah. You just want to disregard them because they are negative
Agreed.

[S.A.A.D.]

True. I'm still bummed by the SHH review. It makes no sense whatsoever. The guy even criticized how Sinestro looks...?!!?! WTF??

I know, I mean Sinestro looks great imo. Maybe it's because of his head? Imo his head did look a tad too big in one of the movie posters, not by much though.

[The Sage]

IMO, GL might be a movie that would be better if its completely animated. There isnt enough money to make this kind of movie reach every potential unless you're George Lucas or James Cameron.People were expecting too much out of this for an origin movie.They expected a 4 hour space epic with 3600 lanterns fighting parallax which we know wasnt going to happen in this...

I think the only thing people are/were expecting is for it to be good.

[S.A.A.D.]

It 's always hard to accept the fact that the film can be really bad ...


Agreed.

I'm sorry that some of us aren't so damn weak minded with spirits that can be hurt or crushed so damn easily. :whatever:

What is your take on these bad reviews The Sage? Has it killed your excitement? Or are you gonna go in there strong like bull?

[Blackman]

Im not gonna lie I was expecting a fight with all the corp members.

[Sith Scotti]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism. I can't put my finger on why they appear to be that way. In my mind I'm like "If the movie is bad then why is your review so light on criticism?"

So its one giant conspiracy :whatever:

[protocida]

Justice League: Mortal was actually very dark, according to cast member. Not to mention very violent. Batman, by example, gets chocked nearly to death by an OMAC, and his eyes start to slowly come out of his orbits before Superman steps in and rescues him.

[Supermanreturns]

I'm sorry that some of us aren't so damn weak minded with spirits that can be hurt or crushed so damn easily. :whatever:


Nah. But...Like Sith Scotti said:

So its one giant conspiracy

[Man of Tomorrow]

Hal`s personality has always been bland and not appealing at all.

I would take a more serious approach to him, playing up this darkness building up inside of him... similar to Fassbender's Magneto..

And then him eventually becoming Parallax. Do something deep with his character.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13925/295175-118857-parallax_super.jpg


I think that storyline is the most recognizable and epic from GL in recent decades, on par with the Death of Superman.

It can fold out like a Shakespearean tragedy, while introducing Kyle and eventually redeeming Hal in the end... like Darth Vader.

Though Ryan Reynolds wouldn't be the right casting choice for a more serious take like that.

[moviedoors]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism. I can't put my finger on why they appear to be that way. In my mind I'm like "If the movie is bad then why is your review so light on criticism?"

You must be in deep denial then, because I'm seeing reviewers tick off reason after reason for why they didn't like it. What do you want? A college dissertation length review?

[S.A.A.D.]

We haven't even seen it yet at people are already discussing the obligatory Christopher Nolan-fostered reboot. That's is just depressing, guys. Is this really what Nolan and DC have done to us, or are you guys just being silly? :o

It's not just silly, but it's unfair to the movie and to the people who busted their butts making it.

[Sith Scotti]

My expectations are lowered to the point where if its better than Fantastic Four , I will be happy.


Regardless of the reviews I feel any dc fan who wants more films should and must go see this at the theaters . So come Friday or Saturday I will hope for the best and expect the worse .


That said I have enjoyed the Transformers films a lot so I will not just except that I will hate it

[Blackman]

"It's unfair to those who made it"?

By that logic anyone who dislikes a movie should say anything because "it's unfair to those who made it"

[S.A.A.D.]

Nah. You just want to disregard them because they are negative.

Prove it. Oh, what's that? You can't. You're dismissed. :whatever:

You're wrong, 100% wrong.

[Kane52630]

Prove it. Oh, what's that? You can't. You're dismissed. :whatever:

You're wrong, 100% wrong.

...

are you for real, man?

[S.A.A.D.]

"It's unfair to those who made it"?

By that logic anyone who dislikes a movie should say anything because "it's unfair to those who made it"

Look, people who haven't seen the movie have been all doom and gloom about it. That is why I said that, if they had seen the movie then that would be a different story.

[SuperDaniel]

I would take a more serious approach to him, playing up this darkness building up inside of him... similar to Fassbender's Magneto..

And then him eventually becoming Parallax. Do something deep with his character.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13925/295175-118857-parallax_super.jpg


I think that storyline is the most recognizable and epic from GL in recent decades, on par with the Death of Superman.

It can fold out like a Shakespearean tragedy, while introducing Kyle and eventually redeeming Hal in the end... like Darth Vader.

Though Ryan Reynolds wouldn't be the right casting choice for a more serious take like that.
Emerald Twilight would be epic. :up:

[Blackman]

...

are you for real, man?

It has to be a dream

[Supermanreturns]

http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Green-Lantern-5317.html

Another one negative. I counted 26 reviews. 4 positives, 6 mixed and 16 negatives.

[Sith Scotti]

Look, people who haven't seen the movie have been all doom and gloom about it. That is why I said that, if they had seen the movie then that would be a different story.

But the critics hasve seen it . So they are better tio judge the quality at this point than you

[Gamma Burst]

LOL. S.A.A.D lives in denial.

[S.A.A.D.]

...

are you for real, man?

I am. The dude acted as if he had evidence to prove what he said. My problem with the negative reviews have nothing to do with them being negative.

[The Morningstar]

I think that the negative reviews are truly bizarre. Lots of them read as filler and don't seem to even have a moderate amount of criticism. I can't put my finger on why they appear to be that way. In my mind I'm like "If the movie is bad then why is your review so light on criticism?"

Nonsense. The IGN review in particular is clear and concise.

[moviedoors]

Look, people who haven't seen the movie have been all doom and gloom about it. That is why I said that, if they had seen the movie then that would be a different story.
Apply the same standard to everyone whose already decided that they like it without having seen it. Wanting to like something and already having made up your mind aren't remotely the same thing, and the later is just as disingenuous and intellectually dishonest as deciding to hate something beforehand.

[Timstuff]

"It's unfair to those who made it"?

By that logic anyone who dislikes a movie should say anything because "it's unfair to those who made it"

It's unfair to the people who made the movie because we are not even giving it a chance. No-one here has even seen it yet, and yet there is already an expectation that this movie is only a "practice run" for the the "real" Green Lantern movie when Christopher Nolan reboots it, as if rebooting is inevitable before the movie is even out.

If you think the odds of this movie delivering are slim, then that is a valid opinion. However, I always get fed up when fans' first reaction whenever something gets negative reviews is that they are entitled to a reboot.

[SuperDaniel]

Oh man. I think it is obvious that is going to be better than Fantastic Four. The clips they released from the movie already make it better than that disgrace.

[S.A.A.D.]

LOL. S.A.A.D lives in denial.

Put a lid on it.

[Blackman]

This thread might as well be Tatooine because theres so much sand

[Sith Scotti]

Put a lid on it.
Do you work for WB . Were you the one who greenlighted the GL film , why are you getting up in arms ? The film is what irt is at this point . And WB is ****ting themselves over it

[moviedoors]

Put a lid on it.

Dude, you're flat out saying the reviewers who didn't like it aren't doing their jobs right and you're making up a million excuses to discount the opinions you don't want to agree with. How is that not textbook denial?

[solidsnake86]

Its too bad its getting blasted and now I'm interested to see if it really is that bad of a film. This talk of rebooting this film is a bit much as I don't exactly see what they can reboot when the concept seems like its more or less on screen. I hope they didn't screw themselves by trying to cater to the fans to much trying to fit in characters instead of concentrating on the story. I had read the original draft of the movie and honestly it read really well so I wonder what changed. Either way its hard for any of us to judge since we havent seen it yet.

This just doesn't bode well for that flash movie at all because it has the same writers. The ign review feels like they wanted more of an all out corps battle which I think we knew that was never going to happen. Maybe they should have stuck with artocitus and made it a smaller film scope wise.

[S.A.A.D.]

Oh man. I think it is obvious that is going to be better than Fantastic Four. The clips they released from the movie already make it better than that disgrace.

I think that it would have to take alot for the movie to be as boring, bland, and joyless as Fantastic Four. :o

[moviedoors]

I had read the original draft of the movie and honestly it read really well so I wonder what changed.

Actually, it sounds to me like they kept my least favorite things about the first draft: the formulaic origin story and the unbelievably cheesy dialogue.

[mace1]

I thought green lantern first flight was really good/great.but half the critics who seen it did not give it high enough rating either and this was a cartoon.so it seems to me it's the concept.

Take a look and us what you think.

green lantern first light

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern_first_flight/

[SuperDaniel]

I hope it isnt the case of the first draft being better than the movie because that draft wasnt bad at all.

[The Sage]

I'm sorry that some of us aren't so damn weak minded with spirits that can be hurt or crushed so damn easily. :whatever:

What is your take on these bad reviews The Sage? Has it killed your excitement? Or are you gonna go in there strong like bull?

My excitement is weakened by the reviews, but I still wanna see it. Besides being a GL fan, I personally gotta see if I like it myself.

But it sucks that this is the perception of it, as I was hoping this would open the gates for sequels and other DC films. Maybe they'll happen anyway, who knows.

[Donut]

So Ryan Reynolds was Ryan Reynolds & not Hal Jordan ?

[solidsnake86]

Actually, it sounds to me like they kept my least favorite things about the first draft: the formulaic origin story and the unbelievably cheesy dialogue.

I don't remember it all that well, because it was a few years ago but I remember it getting positive reviews. I just think that green lantern's character as a concept might be hard to swallow so we'll see. The original draft was pretty faithful to the comics so I'm not sure how rebooting would solve anything unless they're planning to change the concept drastically.

Right now its more of a wait and see.

[The Sage]

So Ryan Reynolds was Ryan Reynolds & not Hal Jordan ?

Depends on the review that's read, from what I gather.

[mace1]

It's unfair to the people who made the movie because we are not even giving it a chance. No-one here has even seen it yet, and yet there is already an expectation that this movie is only a "practice run" for the the "real" Green Lantern movie when Christopher Nolan reboots it, as if rebooting is inevitable before the movie is even out.

If you think the odds of this movie delivering are slim, then that is a valid opinion. However, I always get fed up when fans' first reaction whenever something gets negative reviews is that they are entitled to a reboot.

Right,too much panicking going on here,i think i will leave this site until i see the movie.

[Donut]

I will be there Friday night. But open minded & just not as excited

[kguillou]

This wouldn't have happened if they had used the John Stewart Green Lantern and got Common to play him like they were going to........I kid, I kid, I kid. :woot:

[J.Howlett]

http://incontention.com/2011/06/15/green-means-go-see-it/#more-39869

[Sith Scotti]

I just hope thisn't the Batman & Robin of the franchise .... Too start of like thats makes the franchise DOA ( and maybe Flash etcc)

[Alientraveller]

It's unfair to the people who made the movie because we are not even giving it a chance. No-one here has even seen it yet, and yet there is already an expectation that this movie is only a "practice run" for the the "real" Green Lantern movie when Christopher Nolan reboots it, as if rebooting is inevitable before the movie is even out.

If you think the odds of this movie delivering are slim, then that is a valid opinion. However, I always get fed up when fans' first reaction whenever something gets negative reviews is that they are entitled to a reboot.

Campbell doesn't want to direct the sequel (Lord knows I can't blame him, getting to grips with CG worlds and characters), so naturally another GL film would be quite different. GL is a concept that means reboots are pointless as anyone can be chosen: you can make a completely different film about John or Kyle. The movie is so faithful a retelling is rather pointless.

[SuperDaniel]

I think its going that is being trashed. Once we get to see it and realize its not that bad, it makes us appreciate it more.

[Brian Braddock]

I'll be there regardless.

[The Morningstar]

So Ryan Reynolds was Ryan Reynolds & not Hal Jordan ?

From what i've read it seems Reynolds doesn't do anything wrong, but he's let down by the writing.

[Alientraveller]

I just hope thisn't the Batman & Robin of the franchise .... Too start of like thats makes the franchise DOA ( and maybe Flash etcc)

I sincerely doubt GL is that bad. That's dung, not a disappointment.

[Tony Stark]

It will be fair conversation by tomorrow when everyone sees it.

Especially considering how this film could impact the possibility of Flash materializing.

Though, MAYBE Geoff Johns should be kept out of Flash.


I'm starting to think they should have got the Nolan team to "godfather" ALL DC films.

I don't want to see that. There are other good writers besides Nolan. Just because they chose a poor writing team here doesn't mean that they should use Nolan for everything. In fact I'm very skeptical on the treatment of the new Superman movie. We'll see how it goes.

[solidsnake86]

Campbell doesn't want to direct the sequel (Lord knows I can't blame him, getting to grips with CG worlds and characters), so naturally another GL film would be quite different. GL is a concept that means reboots are pointless as anyone can be chosen: you can make a completely different film about John or Kyle. The movie is so faithful a retelling is rather pointless.

Depending on how the movie turns out when we see it I don't know if changing the main character is really going to solve anything.

[moviedoors]

I don't remember it all that well, because it was a few years ago but I remember it getting positive reviews. I just think that green lantern's character as a concept might be hard to swallow so we'll see. The original draft was pretty faithful to the comics so I'm not sure how rebooting would solve anything unless they're planning to change the concept drastically.

Right now its more of a wait and see.
I'm remember reading all the positive reviews and I just didn't agree. There was a skeleton of a movie there, but I thought it needed a ton of work. The dialogue was just cringe worthy and structurally speaking, it was Raimi's Spiderman to a T.

[Donut]

I guess the kids will be the ones that dig this movie

[chamber-music]

Yup.

Nolan's team is already relaunching Batman after TDKR, confirmed by Robinov. Nolan will serve as producer.

What :huh:
When was that confirmed?

I wouldn't personally mind if Nolans team continued with Goyer and Jonathan Nolan doing the script, Wally behind the camera, Chris and Emma producing and Duncan Jones directing (Nolan was intrested in him directing Superman.

I think Bale and the others would stay on too for a couple more Batman flicks.

I know some fans would not like this idea though as they are tired of Nolans Batman and want either a reboot or new direction with a different cast and crew.

[The Morningstar]

Ugh, i hope Nolan isn't doing the next lot of Batman movies. I'd prefer a fresh take, by someone like Fincher or Del Toro. More stylized and noir.

[SuperDaniel]

Its been confirmed hes going to be the producer.

[Donut]

The WB would rather close down then lose Nolan at the helm of anything. I bet they want Nolan Directing all of their movies

[Man of Tomorrow]

Ugh, i hope Nolan isn't doing the next lot of Batman movies. I'd prefer a fresh take, by someone like Fincher or Del Toro. More stylized and noir.


Unlikely.

WB has a winning formula with Batman, a billion dollar franchise.

It would be stupid and risky to change things drastically.


And Nolan and his wife producing Batman 4 was confirmed in the Robinov interview from two months ago.

[Donut]

The only way Nolan gets off of DC Comic Movies is if he is assassinated at this point. The WB will turn to Nolan if this fails. Maybe not directing but Nolan will play a part in everything

[spider-neil]

tickets booked for friday. I'm hoping for 'competent' ha ha :woot:

as long as I'm entertained that's good enough for me.
I was entertained by;
IM2
SM3
X3

so as long as the level of film making is not below that, I'm good.
please don't let it be as bad as
wolverine
sucker punch
B&R
Ghost Rider
FF2
TF2

movies that I got no enjoyment out of whatsoever and wont ever watch again.

[Steyin]

Ugh, i hope Nolan isn't doing the next lot of Batman movies. I'd prefer a fresh take, by someone like Fincher or Del Toro. More stylized and noir.


Agreed. After being pumped for TDK, then being letdown by the film, and walking on shards in terms of anticipation for TDKR, I'd rather Nolan disappear from the Bat world.

[Crimson King]

I'm not very well-versed in GL comics, or DC properties in general outside of Supes and Batman, so I've been monitoring this one from afar but not really getting into the hype. When I saw the first trailer, I almost wrote the movie off ("I know, right?!"). Then came the admissions from the studio that the trailer sucked. That was reassuring, but didn't exactly make me feel good about the movie's chances. When the trailer hit a couple months ago, I actually started to get excited. They chose better scenes to highlight and the acting seemed less goofy. These reviews, though, have totally killed any momentum the movie had going for it (with me, anyway). They're pretty much citing every problem I thought the movie might have, which was bad dialog and bad CGI. More troubling, though, is that the story doesn't appear to be any good. How does DC let that happen? With so much riding on GL's success, it boggles my mind that WB/DC would allow a thing like poor storytelling to derail their future. That should've been caught before it started.

Just a perspective of a casual DC fan. The reviews are depressing. I want all major comic movies to succeed, because we need studios to start taking chances on secondary properties like GL, WW, Cap, etc. I don't want to go back to the days of Batman and Spider-Man movies being the only comic representation.

[Donut]

Agreed. After being pumped for TDK, then being letdown by the film, and walking on shards in terms of anticipation for TDKR, I'd rather Nolan disappear from the Bat world.

It's only going to get worse from here if this movie fails. The WB will want Nolans input on everything after this. Especially if Superman is a hit just due to the fact that it will have Nolans name on it. Nolan will have the WB by the balls

[The Morningstar]

I'm not very well-versed in GL comics, or DC properties in general outside of Supes and Batman, so I've been monitoring this one from afar but not really getting into the hype. When I saw the first trailer, I almost wrote the movie off ("I know, right?!"). Then came the admissions from the studio that the trailer sucked. That was reassuring, but didn't exactly make me feel good about the movie's chances. When the trailer hit a couple months ago, I actually started to get excited. They chose better scenes to highlight and the acting seemed less goofy. These reviews, though, have totally killed any momentum the movie had going for it (with me, anyway). They're pretty much citing every problem I thought the movie might have, which was bad dialog and bad CGI. More troubling, though, is that the story doesn't appear to be any good. How does DC let that happen? With so much riding on GL's success, it boggles my mind that WB/DC would allow a thing like poor storytelling to derail their future. That should've been caught before it started.

Just a perspective of a casual DC fan. The reviews are depressing. I want all major comic movies to succeed, because we need studios to start taking chances on secondary properties like GL, WW, Cap, etc. I don't want to go back to the days of Batman and Spider-Man movies being the only comic representation.

Because they thought they'd get by on the special fx and the "awesomeness" of it. All style, no substance. It'll probably be popular with the kids.

[solidsnake86]

I'm remember reading all the positive reviews and I just didn't agree. There was a skeleton of a movie there, but I thought it needed a ton of work. The dialogue was just cringe worthy and structurally speaking, it was Raimi's Spiderman to a T.

well if it made the money Raimi's spider-man did I dont think they would care, lol. In all seriousness though it did need work but from what I remember it was a great start. Its interesting today with the internet and the effect it has on these films, I remember the first batman film was basically blasted by some critics back in 89 but because people didnt really have an aggregation of multiple reviews it really overcame that. Nowadays it just seems like an uphill battle for films. I remember when the first x-men film came out, I read one review in my local paper and it gave the film 2 out 5 stars, but it just wasn't that important to me. Now its tough when you see rotten tomatoes and a film you enjoy is blasted by 50 to 100 people.

[spider-neil]

TDK is my favorite comic book movie ever but would I want him to direct my favorite comic book character ever? no. nolan lends himself to batman but someone like spidey needs more humour (I thought raimi got the balance perfect in SM2 my second favorite CBM).
that said I think he (nolan) would do a good job with GL, Flash, WW, etc as DC heroes are more iconic than human.

[J.Howlett]

Well, he is the new Eastwood of the studio but I don't think he's going to get unlimited input on the DC properties as everyone thinks.

The only reason he has input on Man of Steel is because he and Goyer came up with the story and presented it to WB. If WB had done this in house, Nolan wouldn't be on Man of Steel.

And it doesn't even really matter because his wife has already confirmed that Man of Steel is all Snyder. Nolan has no input on that film whatsoever.

They're honestly just using his name to get Superman off the ground.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The only way Nolan gets off of DC Comic Movies is if he is assassinated at this point. The WB will turn to Nolan if this fails. Maybe not directing but Nolan will play a part in everything

I hope.


What worries me is if this fails, they won't bother with anymore DC films outside Batman.

I mean, the only reason we're getting the Superman reboot is the lawsuit forced WB's hand.

Apparently, prior to it they had no plans or intentions to do another Superman film.

[spider-neil]

Agreed. After being pumped for TDK, then being letdown by the film, and walking on shards in terms of anticipation for TDKR, I'd rather Nolan disappear from the Bat world.

with turning this into a nolan/batman thread, what on earth did you dislike about that movie?

[The Morningstar]

I can reel off a massive list if you like? :D

Batman being a boring and uninteresting character who was overshadowed by not only Joker, but Dent and Gordon, for one thing. Horribly unnatural exposition spoon feeding dialogue for another. Fight scenes were horrendous. Romance sub plot was poor.

[Steyin]

It's only going to get worse from here if this movie fails. The WB will want Nolans input on everything after this. Especially if Superman is a hit just due to the fact that it will have Nolans name on it. Nolan will have the WB by the balls


Which is my concern. I am worried about Supes too, not because of Nolan, but because of every non comic friend of mine having no interest in the character anymore; seems a foretelling tale of the GA in my mind.

In all honesty, I think comic/superhero films in general are starting to die off with the GA, but that's just my opinion from observation.

[Sith Scotti]

It's only going to get worse from here if this movie fails. The WB will want Nolans input on everything after this. Especially if Superman is a hit just due to the fact that it will have Nolans name on it. Nolan will have the WB by the balls

As he should . He makes great movies . One of tyhe few bright spots . There are more forgettable stuff like Green Lantern apparently than there is TDK or Inceptions

[Octoberist]

As a comic book fan I have to admit I'm getting somewhat tired of comic book movies. Unless they keep it fresh they can't keep on using the same formula again and again.

[spider-neil]

I can reel off a massive list if you like? :D

Batman being a boring and uninteresting character who was overshadowed by not only Joker, but Dent and Gordon, for one thing. Horribly unnatural exposition spoon feeding dialogue for another. Fight scenes were horrendous. Romance sub plot was poor.

hmm interesting...

suffice to say I thought the movie (TDK) was amazing, that said I want nolan no where NEAR spidey as I want spidey to have humour and action I can actually make out without tilting my head.

[Raiden]

Hit Fix Review: Awkward, uneven 'Green Lantern' packs no punch (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-awkward-uneven-green-lantern-packs-no-punch?page=1)

I want to like "Green Lantern."

I don't want to be the guy who calls the time of death at the scene of the crime.

I walked in with several different levels of expectation for the movie, and to fully explain my reaction, I'll have to clue you in to what I was thinking as I sat down. First, my two sons are absolutely out of their mind crazy to see the movie, and I was watching it as a parent wondering if it would be appropriate for the boys based on the other things they've seen. Second, I like the idea of DC and Warner Bros. trying a big DC Universe on film, and I hoped for "Green Lantern" to be the movie to kick that off. Third, I think Ryan Reynolds is a guy who is primed for stardom, and he's just looking for the right movie. I walked in liking the last few major pieces of marketing, the stuff I saw at Wondercon and the big online trailer and the last big mythology trailer. I like Martin Campbell at times. In general, I was pumped and primed and buttered to go.

I don't like "Green Lantern."

I think the movie is pretty much inert, artificial and dead on arrival.

First, there's no way my boys are seeing it. The movie in general appears to be written for eight-year-olds, which is appropriate, and a smart move. But Parallax and Hector Hammond, the villains of the film, seem to be in a different film, a much more inappropriate film about a giant weird turd cloud with the head of the Wizard Of Oz that sucks the skeletons out of people before they explode, and his human assistant who grows a disgusting Elephant Man head in scenes where he screams in pain and writhes on the floor like it's a David Cronenberg film. Second, I don't think is the first building block of a world I want to spend more time in. Unless there are some big choices made behind the scenes on a second film, I don't have any faith in this as a franchise, much less step one in the DC Universe. Third, this is not the role for Reynolds, and it's not his fault. The marketing is more successful than the movie, and made promises the movie just can't fulfill. Martin Campbell is as wrong for this film as he was right for "Casino Royale." In general, I was deflated and depressed by the film I saw.

It feels to me like a puzzle that someone put together wrong, never checking the picture on the front of the box that they're working from, and it should work but doesn't. There are many things that it does right, individual elements that are interesting or well-executed or that have potential. Taken as a whole, though, it's so wrong that it's almost confusing. It's a state of the art superhero film if the year were 1995. If this were released in the same summer as "Judge Dredd" and "Johnny Mnemonic," this would look pretty solid by comparison. It is clumsy and ham-handed when the character and the world demand a lighter touch. Martin Campbell has several things he does well. Light and funny really isn't his thing. His set-up is labored here, and the script by Greg Berlanti & Michael Green & Marc Guggenheim and Michael Goldenberg follows a particular formula structure that bugs me. This is a movie where the main character spends most of the middle of the film angsting away about whether he should or shouldn't be a superhero. Mope, mope, mope. And then finally, he does what we've been waiting for him to do, and it feels like too little too late, frankly.

Let's back up and talk about what does work. Ryan Reynolds seems well-cast to me, and he works his butt off to make it live and breathe. Peter Sarsgaard is deranged as Hector Hammond, even before he begins his largely disgusting change. It's a nice performance. Mark Strong's Sinestro deserves a much, much better movie that is worth of the work he's doing. He is alien and badass and wise and cynical, and he suggests a pretty rich world of experience. Even with Sinestro, I have a major gripe, and I'll hide that below in a spoiler paragraph, but for the most part, he's one of the best things about the movie. I like Kilowog as well, with a voice by Michael Clarke Duncan, and I like the overall design of the world of Oa by Grant Major.

And beyond that, pretty much nothing else works. And those elements that do work are very disconnected, so it never gets a chance to add up to anything. There are major stretches of the film where the tone is just wrong and where the choices made are sort of baffling. I don't buy the chemistry between Reynolds and Blake Lively. She's not particularly bad in the film, but she's not particularly good in it, either. Much of the fault lies with what they're asked to do. Everything is broad strokes here. Everything is played in a very arch "comic book" way that feels infantile. Yet, throughout, there are elements in the narrative and in the staging of certain sequences that are just needlessly grim. If the film's tone overall was the same, it wouldn't bother me, or if it felt like they were making a film with the adult audience in mind at all.

Once Hal Jordan (Reynolds) has been given the ring, he leaves the planet and goes to Oa, a distant alien world, so that he can be trained and inducted into the Green Lantern Corps. This is the straight up solid gold money in the bank stuff if you get it right, and they both do and don't, which is why it's so frustrating. The other members of the Green Lantern Corps who we meet are suitably alien and bizarre and interesting, and the Guardians, the wizened little being in charge of the Corps, are visually very striking. But if you've watched the trailers, you've seen pretty much all there is of Kilowog and Tomar Re (Geoffrey Rush), and you've seen most of Mark Strong as Sinestro. His make-up and visual design is inspired, and you're left wanting more of him every time he exits a scene. So why is it that we hustle back to Earth to limp through a perfunctory "will-he-or-won't-he?" crisis during the gradual build-up of the bad guys until paths, as they inevitably will, cross during a big party for Senator Hammond (Tim Robbins), father to the ugly-on-the-inside-too Hector Hammond. And considering it's the first big showdown, powers against powers, it's a bust. Like almost every moment involving the ring, there's just something off about the imagination on display. It's weird… Campbell basically did make a superhero origin story with "The Mask Of Zorro," and that's a spirited, fun movie that works pretty well. How he misses the tone here so completely confuses me. Maybe the overwhelming number of greenscreen shots just crushed him, since he's a guy who has always seemed more comfortable on location, shooting real stunts. And I'm sure this is an expensive film, but it feels to me during the Oa sequences like there's a studio accountant standing just out of frame yelling, "Hurry up and end this montage, because we can only afford three and a half minutes of Kilowog!"

Now a few spoilers as we wrap this up, things that really stand out as disappointing or frustrating. If you are familiar with the comic or with the recent "Green Lantern" animated films from DC, then you know that Sinestro eventually turns and becomes a major villain in the "Green Lantern" mythology. But in this film, he's played as a hero for the entire film, established as an important and integrity-driven character, shows up to help every time he needs to, and then, after the credits have begun at the end, he just suddenly does something that changes his character completely that is so overt that he should just look directly into the camera and bellow, "SEE YOU IN THE SEQUEL WHERE I WILL BE THE BAD GUY!!!!" It is so thrown away, such a needless revelation that has zero impact in the film because of how it's handled, that it seems infuriating. It feels calculated and cynical and considering how little of the film works, having them threaten me with a sequel at the end feels like insult on top of injury. The other thing that really doesn't work is the way Parallax has been designed. An amorphous cloud with an occasional head is a deeply uninteresting bad guy, and the last fight between the cloud and the dude in front of the green screen is completely uninteresting. It an inaction scene, and it suggests that Campbell just didn't have a sense of how to stage the action here.

More importantly, is this really all Hollywood can come up with for Angela Bassett to do these days? Really?

In a summer where we've had some good superhero films already and we're seeing people really start to have fun with the genre, "Green Lantern" stands out as a pretty major misstep. Visually, it's an eyesore. It is the first genuinely ugly film shot by Dion Beebe, and between the production design by Grant Major and the New Orleans locations, it feels artificial, like the entire thing was shot on a small, dingy backlot. It feels like a pretty major missed opportunity, and I have a feeling this will be a lot more "The Shadow" than Tim Burton's "Batman" when it comes to the general public. I can't imagine word of mouth being any good for the film, especially not for people who are new to the character and the world.

The ring may not make mistakes when it chooses a new Green Lantern, but plenty of mistakes were made in bringing "Green Lantern" to the screen, and in the end, I have a feeling this is our one and only trip to Oa.

[Donut]

I hope.


What worries me is if this fails, they won't bother with anymore DC films outside Batman.

I mean, the only reason we're getting the Superman reboot is the lawsuit forced WB's hand.

Apparently, prior to it they had no plans or intentions to do another Superman film.

Imagine at the WB Movie Meetings

Executive #1 - So who should be flash

Executive #2 - Nolan

Executive #1 - The girlfriend ?

Executive #2 - Nolan

Executive #3 - Okay if we did a Wonder Woman movie who should be Wonder Woman

Executive #2 - Nolan

Executive - #3 - He is not a woman & has no twins & is not an actor

Executive - #2 - Clone him

Executive - #1 - Why should Nolan be everyone & in everything ?

Executive - #2 - Because our DC movies are only successful with Nolans name on it

[akfj]

It's only going to get worse from here if this movie fails. The WB will want Nolans input on everything after this. Especially if Superman is a hit just due to the fact that it will have Nolans name on it. Nolan will have the WB by the balls

Remember, Nolan came to WB with Goyer's Superman idea, not the other way around.

[spider-neil]

Which is my concern. I am worried about Supes too, not because of Nolan, but because of every non comic friend of mine having no interest in the character anymore; seems a foretelling tale of the GA in my mind.

In all honesty, I think comic/superhero films in general are starting to die off with the GA, but that's just my opinion from observation.

the attitude the GA is getting tired of superhero movies is a misconception.
TDK made a billion.
SM3 made 900
IM 800m
thor 600m
there is definately a massive audience for superhero movies but that audience will dry up if poor superhero movies becomes the norm rather than the exception.

[Donut]

Remember, Nolan came to WB with Goyer's Superman idea, not the other way around.

& if this bombs & Superman is a hit just with the fan boys knowing that Nolan came up with the story what do you think the studio would do after that ?

[Sith Scotti]

So now that it lookas Green Lasntern is going to tank , jealous gl fanboys are going after Batman & Nolan . If GL was half as good as eith Nolan Batman film we wouldb't worried about whethere there would be a sequel

[Willi Berg]

EW Review:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20483133_20483463,00.html

[Sith Scotti]

EW Review:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20483133_20483463,00.html
and EW is owned by Time Warner . So a C + maybe generious . Oy

[KalMart]

So now that it lookas Green Lasntern is going to tank , jealous gl fanboys are going after Batman & Nolan .

Batman and Nolan are quaking in terror.


;)

[Octoberist]

hmm interesting...

suffice to say I thought the movie (TDK) was amazing, that said I want nolan no where NEAR spidey as I want spidey to have humour and action I can actually make out without tilting my head.

The Dark Knight is a well regarded not and like with any film, not everyone will like it. I say always think of the general consensus because if one dude doesn't like it, he could be a part of a minority. That'd why unlatch when people get too defensive about the film; dont worry many people like it.

I also think that geeks have more particular tastes in general. Not an insult though.

[Raiden]

As a comic book fan I have to admit I'm getting somewhat tired of comic book movies. Unless they keep it fresh they can't keep on using the same formula again and again.

I think they are still making movies fresh & interesting, at least for me. Thor is a superhero that features a god from the Norse mythology, and Kenneth Branagh did a great job keeping both the Asgard and Earth scenes interesting while focusing on the father-son-brother dynamic. X-Men First Class was a surprise to me, that after 4 X-Men movies, they still managed to give us something new and more important, an amazing movie that wiped the memories of the mediocre X3 and Wolverine movies clean. I'm now doubting if GL can become a success like these two, but even batting 2 out of 3 isn't that bad. Hopefully Capt. America will deliver the goods.

[Tony Stark]

I hope.


What worries me is if this fails, they won't bother with anymore DC films outside Batman.

I mean, the only reason we're getting the Superman reboot is the lawsuit forced WB's hand.

Apparently, prior to it they had no plans or intentions to do another Superman film.

And WB is so stupid with how they handled the lawsuit to begin with. They could settle this out of court in a heart beat. Siegel and Schuster were screwed when they gave up the rights, and WB/DC has made billions off Superman. Just freaking compensate the family, and all is well.

[Steyin]

with turning this into a nolan/batman thread, what on earth did you dislike about that movie?

Well, for me the film is great in all regards of cinematography, acting (loved Eckhart and Ledger) and other areas, but I think after watching several clips (which I thought were edited, but were not) and being so eager to see it, especially as a huge Bat fan, it just fell short for me. I loved BB, it still is my favorite comic/hero film of all time, and the aura I got from it wasn't present in TDK. I remember reading an article where Nolan compared the truck chase to the Matrix highway scene, and it didn't even compare; heck the whole sequence didn't even compare to the tumbler chase from BB to me.

The fighting choreography wasn't much better, and after listening to the soundtrack early (I knew someone who worked on it), the score was underwhelming as well (minus the ADCC track). The flow of the film also bothered me, and I even fell asleep in the theater during the swat portion. To this day, I can't really watch the film straight through; I prefer watching snippets of it, yet I can still watch BB without a problem and love it every time (and I've watched the film well near 200 times).

I remember leaving BB when I first saw it with a great sense of excitement, but I left TDK confused and unnerved, which I didn't expect at all. I might have got over-hyped for it even. I love Batman, but TDK just didn't do it for me. Apples and oranges I suppose.


Batman aside, I've had my 12:02 AM GL tickets in hand for 2 weeks now and even took off of work Friday since I'll be seeing it late Thursday. I have a feeling I'll enjoy the film and be entertained, despite these depressing reviews.

[akfj]

& if this bombs & Superman is a hit just with the fan boys knowing that Nolan came up with the story what do you think the studio would do after that ?

First of all, Goyer came up with the story. Second, if they want to follow the same method they used with the Man of Steel, they will wait for someone to pitch them a story idea instead of forcing someone to come up with one.

[KalMart]

Remember, Nolan came to WB with Goyer's Superman idea, not the other way around.

As in....Superman came to Goyer with WB's Nolan idea?

[The Sage]

http://incontention.com/2011/06/15/green-means-go-see-it/#more-39869

This was nice and all, but like some of the negative reviews, it doesn't go into detail.

From what i've read it seems Reynolds doesn't do anything wrong, but he's let down by the writing.

After the complaints of him getting cast, that's some serious irony.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Which is my concern. I am worried about Supes too, not because of Nolan, but because of every non comic friend of mine having no interest in the character anymore; seems a foretelling tale of the GA in my mind.

In all honesty, I think comic/superhero films in general are starting to die off with the GA, but that's just my opinion from observation.

RoboCop, The Matrix, Dark City, Terminator 2 and the list goes on and on. If you think about it most scifi action movies are superhero movies they just dont come out and say it but they follow the same guidelines. The "Superhero" movie isnt going anywhere. People cant afford to go out right now so thats a large part of it.
Geoff Johns is proud of this movie and thats enough for me. Ill be there tomorrow at midnight then 2 more times friday

[Octoberist]

At least you admit it Steyin, haha. Fans get overhyped and then turn against the movie. Ive seen it happen all the time. Ive done it too.

[Doc Samson]

Why in the world is Nolan being bashed on a thread about GL? What, because the first couple reviews are bad? So?

Listen, Some people (myself included) were Nolan fans BEFORE Batman Begins, so some people are partial to the man beyond capes and cowls. That being said, there's no question Batman has a richer history as a character than almost anyone in DC's lineup, or Marvel's for that matter, which is why, not coincidentally, he also has the best video game based on a superhero, best cartoon series, & for it's time, one of the best television shows.

There's a reason it took GL this long to get off the ground, and it isn't just about technology. It's because it's a lot easier to screw up than Batman or Spiderman. There's a reason certain superheroes are more popular than other ones, it has to do with their source material, something Nolan has nothing to do with.

It's not even a question that Batman has probably enjoyed the greatest amount of classic stories, with villains as iconic as he is himself, because he's had the fortune of so many of the best writers/artists doing their best work on his character. Nolan just tapped into another well of inspiration, but it's all there in the books to begin with. GL is what we need to be focusing on, because no matter who handled it, there's a chance it might not have worked, not everything is destined for massive success, regardless of how much you love it personally...

[weezerspider]

Which is my concern. I am worried about Supes too, not because of Nolan, but because of every non comic friend of mine having no interest in the character anymore; seems a foretelling tale of the GA in my mind.

In all honesty, I think comic/superhero films in general are starting to die off with the GA, but that's just my opinion from observation.

I don't think so. The GA is just as pumped for Captain America, The Avengers, and TDKR as most people on here. I mean heck, Thor did a lot better than most people thought. That said, the GA has lost interest in super-heroes that they can not relate to. Superman is the perfect example. Its no surprise Batman, Iron Man, Spiderman and the X-men are the biggest superheroes to the GA. Bruce and Tony have about as many character flaws as anyone, Spidey is a dork and the X-men aren't accepted in the world. Superman is as close to perfect as possible. He only has one physical weakness and when his biggest character "flaw" is "fitting in and being normal when he's basically a god among men", well, people don't relate to that. The GA, and most anyone, want characters they can relate to. Look at Spielberg's sci-fi films. He focuses on the children in these stories and they alien plot lines always take a backseat to the children. Why? Because we can relate to the children. Superman won't be big, but there are still plenty of comic book films that can be big.

[Majmun]

Jeeez, I hope the Green Lantern roller coaster ride is better than this GL roller coaster ride I've been on with this movie production. :dry:

[chamber-music]

Bingo!

I see so many fans posting who are saying they will love this film no matter what. I hope they realize that doing that does not help things at all. It actually makes things worse for comic adaptations when you vote with your dollar and settle for comic book movie adaptation mediocrity; forgiving just about every shotcoming. It just encourages bad movie production and the notion that movies adapted from comics are not to be taken seriously.

I say make up your own mind on any movie but when it is all said and done, don’t be scared to be honest about it. :hal:
I agree with this


I would take a more serious approach to him, playing up this darkness building up inside of him... similar to Fassbender's Magneto..

And then him eventually becoming Parallax. Do something deep with his character.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13925/295175-118857-parallax_super.jpg


I think that storyline is the most recognizable and epic from GL in recent decades, on par with the Death of Superman.

It can fold out like a Shakespearean tragedy, while introducing Kyle and eventually redeeming Hal in the end... like Darth Vader.

Though Ryan Reynolds wouldn't be the right casting choice for a more serious take like that.
Its ironic you mentioned Fassbender because he was rumored to be one of the many actors who auditioned for the role of Hal Jordan/Green Lantern

[Infinity9999x]

I'll admit these reviews are really getting me down. I was really hoping for this film to be good, because I'm a fan of Reynolds and I just want comic films to be good movies as a fan of the genre.

I'm hoping that it will end up to be a solid film that's entertaining, kind of like X1. That film got pretty mediocre reviews by critics, but the general public ended up enjoying it well enough. The thing that has me worried though, is that most of the complaints seem to be about the script. It's one thing if the SPX aren't great but the story is solid, but if the story has problems...then you're in trouble.

[akfj]

As in....Superman came to Goyer with WB's Nolan idea?

Something like that. Or Goyer came to Superman with Nolan's WB idea. Or WB came to Nolan with Superman's Goyer idea. Or Goyer came to Nolan with WB's Superman idea. I don't know, you figure it out Mr. Smarty-Pants. :oldrazz:

[TDK Joker]

Jeeez, I hope the Green Lantern roller coaster ride is better than this GL roller coaster ride I've been on with this movie production. :dry:

Zing!

[spider-neil]

The Dark Knight is a well regarded not and like with any film, not everyone will like it. I say always think of the general consensus because if one dude doesn't like it, he could be a part of a minority. That'd why unlatch when people get too defensive about the film; dont worry many people like it.

I also think that geeks have more particular tastes in general. Not an insult though.

october, you've lost me a little. are you saying I'm in a minority because I like TDK or because I don't want nolan to direct spidey?

[Steyin]

I don't think so. The GA is just as pumped for Captain America, The Avengers, and TDKR as most people on here. I mean heck, Thor did a lot better than most people thought. That said, the GA has lost interest in super-heroes that they can not relate to. Superman is the perfect example. Its no surprise Batman, Iron Man, Spiderman and the X-men are the biggest superheroes to the GA. Bruce and Tony have about as many character flaws as anyone, Spidey is a dork and the X-men aren't accepted in the world. Superman is as close to perfect as possible. He only has one physical weakness and when his biggest character "flaw" is "fitting in and being normal when he's basically a god among men", well, people don't relate to that. The GA, and most anyone, want characters they can relate to. Look at Spielberg's sci-fi films. He focuses on the children in these stories and they alien plot lines always take a backseat to the children. Why? Because we can relate to the children. Superman won't be big, but there are still plenty of comic book films that can be big.


Very true. I think its just the nerd in me worrying that life-like/realistic interpretations of one form of media into another (visual) might go away somehow.

[SuperDaniel]

Why in the world is Nolan being bashed on a thread about GL? What, because the first couple reviews are bad? So?

Listen, Some people (myself included) were Nolan fans BEFORE Batman Begins, so some people are partial to the man beyond capes and cowls. That being said, there's no question Batman has a richer history as a character than almost anyone in DC's lineup, or Marvel's for that matter, which is why, not coincidentally, he also has the best video game based on a superhero, best cartoon series, & for it's time, one of the best television shows.

There's a reason it took GL this long to get off the ground, and it isn't just about technology. It's because it's a lot easier to screw up than Batman or Spiderman. There's a reason certain superheroes are more popular than other ones, it has to do with their source material, something Nolan has nothing to do with.

It's not even a question that Batman has probably enjoyed the greatest amount of classic stories, with villains as iconic as he is himself, because he's had the fortune of so many of the best writers/artists doing their best work on his character. Nolan just tapped into another well of inspiration, but it's all there in the books to begin with. GL is what we need to be focusing on, because no matter who handled it, there's a chance it might not have worked, not everything is destined for massive success, regardless of how much you love it personally...
Completely agree.

[Octoberist]

october, you've lost me a little. are you saying I'm in a minority because I like TDK or because I don't want nolan to direct spidey?

No I probably typed it wrong due to my iPhone. I said that most people love Dark Knight so Steylin is n the minority an I'm sure he will admit to it. Hey not everyone should like a movie because it would be the death of fun debates. For the record I love Dark Knight and I don't want Nolan to do Spidey.

[The Sage]

Let's start cooling the Nolan talk, folks...

[Infinity9999x]

october, you've lost me a little. are you saying I'm in a minority because I like TDK or because I don't want nolan to direct spidey?

Yeah, I don't know if I'd want to see Nolan on Spidey either. I do think he's a good enough director to realize that what worked for Batman wouldn't work for other superheroes. (And it's not like he doesn't do fantasy, Prestige anyone?)

However, I'd like to see him tackle a movie that doesn't feature a tortured male antagonist for once. Yes, he's very good at films featuring these kind of people, but he's starting to form a bit of a pattern. I'd like to see him extend his range.

[spider-neil]

Let's start cooling the Nolan talk, folks...

I suspect people are talking about nolan because talking about GL is too painful.

[SuperDaniel]

lol

[Man of Tomorrow]

Its ironic you mentioned Fassbender because he was rumored to be one of the many actors who auditioned for the role of Hal Jordan/Green Lantern

It was intentional. Fassbender was my favorite for the role.

I could buy him as a level headed straight-laced hero, with a darkness buried deep within.


Though he wouldn't have aligned well with this goofy take on the character.

[Octoberist]

It's a bit frantic here isn't it?

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

Nolan´s Green Lantern...................................sorry had to do it. :awesome:

[Gamma Burst]

So, it's 25% rotten on RT so far.
I couldn't imagine it would be that low.

[Willi Berg]

Bingo!

I see so many fans posting who are saying they will love this film no matter what. I hope they realize that doing that does not help things at all. It actually makes things worse for comic adaptations when you vote with your dollar and settle for comic book movie adaptation mediocrity; forgiving just about every shotcoming. It just encourages bad movie production and the notion that movies adapted from comics are not to be taken seriously.

I say make up your own mind on any movie but when it is all said and done, don’t be scared to be honest about it. :hal:

I really wouldn't mind if this alters WB's approach to these movies but of course the concern is if they decide to have no approach at all.

[Octoberist]

Do you guys think WB should drop Berlanti if there are more Green lantern films? Or drop his team who are working on the Flash?

[Gunga Diner]

Sorry, guys.:csad:

[Tony Stark]

Well I feel for the GL fans. This seems like 2005 all over with how dissapointing Fantastic Four was. Films that should be the ultimate popcorn flicks end up just being eye candy with no substance.

[Milkman95]

Well, I'm not throwing in the towel just yet, I'll be seeing it early Friday with an open mind. Who knows, going in with low expectations will probably help my enjoyment of the film, LOL.

[Willi Berg]

Do you guys think WB should drop Berlanti if there are more Green lantern films? Or drop his team who are working on the Flash?

I'm definitely wondering about Berlanti and curious to see what he has done but there should definitely be a reassessment regarding his involvement and his approach. But WB's entire approach should be examined. (But of course it's hard to say at this point, having not seen the movie yet.)

[Tony Stark]

Do you guys think WB should drop Berlanti if there are more Green lantern films? Or drop his team who are working on the Flash?

WB needs to be cut from the decision making entirely. If you want to know why Marvel Studio's have been so successful (so far anyway) it's because they call the shots.

I've said this for years now and it falls on deaf ears. Run Legendary Pictures with full autonomy and WB should only be used as a distributor. WB has too many suits making bad decisions that should be made by the producers and directors.

[Supermanreturns]

As for now i counted 29 reviews.
4 positives
7 mixed
18 negatives

Sorry GL fans :csad:

[Milkman95]

WB needs to be cut from the decision making entirely. If you want to know why Marvel Studio's have been so successful (so far anyway) it's because they call the shots.

I've said this for years now and it falls on deaf ears. Run Legendary Pictures with full autonomy and WB should only be used as a distributor. WB has too many suits making bad decisions that should be made by the producers and directors.

Definitely agree with this, and that could happen if GL is a bust.

[Project862006]

wondering what went wrong?

i thought martin cambell was more than a decent director he is actually quite good

[-JKR-]

WB needs to be cut from the decision making entirely. If you want to know why Marvel Studio's have been so successful (so far anyway) it's because they call the shots.

I've said this for years now and it falls on deaf ears. Run Legendary Pictures with full autonomy and WB should only be used as a distributor. WB has too many suits making bad decisions that should be made by the producers and directors.

Warners needs to cut DC (and Geoff Johns & Co.) from decision making. We don't need another "Marvel Studios", which pulls out bland, editor-driven products. They gotta go back approaching movies like they always did. Looking for a right director, it's gonna click at one point or another! ;)

Look at animation: Bruce Timm and others have their freedom in making their movies and series, without comic book editors and writers looking over their shoulders, saying "that's not right there. That wasn't in the comics".

[Willi Berg]

wondering what went wrong?

i thought martin cambell was more than a decent director he is actually quite good

Campbell is a good director, but there was a lot out of his hands with this movie.

[Green Ghost]

wondering what went wrong?

Based on the reviews, mostly editing and script (dialoges, no character depth)

[louiebling$]

Amn..just read some reviews :csad:

[Crimson King]

Warners needs to cut DC (and Geoff Johns & Co.) from decision making. We don't need another "Marvel Studios", which pulls out bland, editor-driven products. They gotta go back approaching movies like they always did. Looking for a right director, it's gonna click at one point or another! ;)

Look at animation: Bruce Timm and others have their freedom in making their movies and series, without comic book editors and writers looking over their shoulders, saying "that's not right there. That wasn't in the comics".

On the one hand, I agree that writers and directors should have a greater say in content, but that's about all I agree with you on. Marvel movies are bland? Wow. I think you're in the minority there. Big time.

While they shouldn't have all the say, I don't want Marvel or DC cut out of the process. They have the most knowledge of the characters. And you don't think Martin Campbell was WB's choice? The guy is good.

[Rezzo]

wondering what went wrong?

i thought martin cambell was more than a decent director he is actually quite good

Well to be honest he's only really had three great films: GoldenEye, The Mask of Zorro and Casino Royale. Just about everything else he's done has been mediocre at best. I thought he was the right director for Green Lantern, but maybe he wasn't after all.

[JP]

Campbell has always been a hit and miss director. For every Goldeneye and Casino Royale, there's a Vertical Limit and Legend of Zorro.

[Willi Berg]

Warners needs to cut DC (and Geoff Johns & Co.) from decision making. We don't need another "Marvel Studios", which pulls out bland, editor-driven products. They gotta go back approaching movies like they always did. Looking for a right director, it's gonna click at one point or another! ;)

Look at animation: Bruce Timm and others have their freedom in making their movies and series, without comic book editors and writers looking over their shoulders, saying "that's not right there. That wasn't in the comics".

I'm afraid you might be right. Maybe if a writer/director has more control, they won't be told they have to have certain things in the movie, and it has to get to point A to point B etc. Hector Hammond may be an example of this, the need to include the character, maybe because the Joker was so successful in TDK, or because the DC guys felt he had to be there.

[Supermanreturns]

Warners needs to cut DC (and Geoff Johns & Co.) from decision making. We don't need another "Marvel Studios", which pulls out bland, editor-driven products. They gotta go back approaching movies like they always did. Looking for a right director, it's gonna click at one point or another! ;)

Look at animation: Bruce Timm and others have their freedom in making their movies and series, without comic book editors and writers looking over their shoulders, saying "that's not right there. That wasn't in the comics".
You have a wrong idea of Marvel Studios :doh:

"which pulls out bland, editor-driven products" where?

[Deaths Head II]

Campbell has always been a hit and miss director. For every Goldeneye and Casino Royale, there's a Vertical Limit and Legend of Zorro.

I guess his specialty is Bond movies.

[J.Howlett]

Devin's review: http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06/15/movie-review-green-lanterns-light-is-snuffed-out-by-martin-campbell

[chamber-music]

It was intentional. Fassbender was my favorite for the role.

I could buy him as a level headed straight-laced hero, with a darkness buried deep within.


Though he wouldn't have aligned well with this goofy take on the character.
I didn't even know Fassbender went up for the role until I read it a couple weeks ago
Warners needs to cut DC (and Geoff Johns & Co.) from decision making. We don't need another "Marvel Studios", which pulls out bland, editor-driven products. They gotta go back approaching movies like they always did. Looking for a right director, it's gonna click at one point or another! ;)

Look at animation: Bruce Timm and others have their freedom in making their movies and series, without comic book editors and writers looking over their shoulders, saying "that's not right there. That wasn't in the comics".
While I disagree about Marvels movies being bland, editor-driven products I do agree perhaps they have something to learn from the animation side of the films.

The Animated stuff is accessible and often has good story and character driven plots. Why they can't seem to translate that into live action is beyond me to be honest

[Ultimatehero]

Every summer critics pick one film to trash even if it's just mediocre, seriously hope that's the case here and that X-Men: First Class had something to do with it. Not a Marvel over DC thing just... hoping critics going from 'This is the next Dark Knight!' to a typical superhero film effected their decision. The clips didn't look that bad, rather entertaining: this wasn't the case with Wolverine or Last Stand. Like judging a sequel basically. Critics hated Hangover II, I loved it more than the first because it was darker and the stakes were higher even if it was "more of the same."

[spider-neil]

It's hard to judge without seeing the movie but using another film as an example the reason why I liked SM2 so much and was disappointed with SM3 was in SM2 the effects served the story and in SM3 the reserves was true, like they said 'these effects are cool how can we work it into this movie' and the very first green lantern trailer I saw it was all about the effects and next to nothing about the character.

That said, I will judge the movie honestly and fairly on Friday with no bias because of all these shocking reviews...just like I did with batman and Robin

[SuperDaniel]

Brazilian site Omelete, partners with collider, published their early review. They said the movie is in the vains of Thor and Incredible Hulk. It is just too formulaic and offers nothing new except entertainment. Reynolds is quite good, not as good as Downey Jr or Fassbender/McAvoy, and the Lantern mythology is nice and really well done. A feast for the fans and so is the after credits scene. Also, Strong and Sarsgaard are good as the villains and Parallax works fine in 3d. The hero story isnt as compelling as other comic book movies like Spider-man 2.

3 out of 5, basically.

http://www.omelete.com.br/lanterna-verde/

[KalMart]

I'm afraid you might be right. Maybe if a writer/director has more control, they won't be told they have to have certain things in the movie, and it has to get to point A to point B etc. Hector Hammond may be an example of this, the need to include the character, maybe because the Joker was so successful in TDK, or because the DC guys felt he had to be there.

Lots of people were complaining about Singer's control over Superman Returns, and that the studio should have pushed him for more action and less melodrama.

[Donut]

The good thing for Marvel here is they can see what bad things people will be saying about Green Lantern & if Captain America has anything bad similar in it they can fix it with time left

[KalMart]

Well to be honest he's only really had three great films: GoldenEye, The Mask of Zorro and Casino Royale. Just about everything else he's done has been mediocre at best. I thought he was the right director for Green Lantern, but maybe he wasn't after all.

Goldeneye was a pretty terrible movie...the video game, on the other hand.....

[KalMart]

The good thing for Marvel here is they can see what bad things people will be saying about Green Lantern & if Captain America has anything bad similar in it they can fix it with time left

Assuming that all the writers and cast are available for last-secod emergency reshoots.

[Supermanreturns]

Brazilian site Omelete, partners with collider, published their early review. They said the movie is in the vains of Thor and Incredible Hulk. It is just too formulaic and offers nothing new except entertainment. Reynolds is quite good, not as good as Downey Jr or Fassbender/McAvoy, and the Lantern mythology is nice and really well done. A feast for the fans and so is the after credits scene. Also, Strong and Sarsgaard are good as the villains and Parallax works fine in 3d. The hero story isnt as compelling as other comic book movies like Spider-man 2.

3 out of 5, basically.

http://www.omelete.com.br/lanterna-verde/

Oh wow 5 reviews positives against 26 negatives!

[-JKR-]

Lots of people were complaining about Singer's control over Superman Returns, and that the studio should have pushed him for more action and less melodrama.

Well, Bryan Singer's Superman Returns still remains a mediocre movie. Doesn't mean you can't give a writer/director any freedom anymore, and have to make a (comic book) editor-driven pic.

[Project862006]

superman returns did'nt get this bad of reviews tho since it has 76% at RT

[Willi Berg]

Lots of people were complaining about Singer's control over Superman Returns, and that the studio should have pushed him for more action and less melodrama.

You're right. I don't know...it just sounds like they tried to cram a lot into this movie and everything suffered as a result. Which sounds like Spider-Man 3, and that was affected by studio interference. It could go either way.

[KalMart]

superman returns did'nt get this bad of reviews tho since it has 76% at RT

So maybe it could work in reverse. Higher RT rating = mediocre movie, whereas lower = better?

[Willi Berg]

Devin's review: http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06/15/movie-review-green-lanterns-light-is-snuffed-out-by-martin-campbell


I like that he goes into why he thinks it doesn't work and still talks about what enjoyment he got out of the movie. As well as still giving his opinion on a sequel.

[Ultimatehero]

As said before, I think this is like a Hangover II scenario. Seriously. Critics hated that film. I have yet to hear from one person who hated it, maybe didn't like it as much as it's predecessor but still found it entertaining. We're just three weeks after X-Men:First Class.

[SuperDaniel]

SR is easily one of the worst comic book movies i`ve ever seen on the vains of SIV and B&R.

Green Lantern is already better than that just by watching the 1 min online clips.

[Willi Berg]

As said before, I think this is like a Hangover II scenario. Seriously. Critics hated that film. I have yet to hear from one person who hated it, maybe didn't like it as much as it's predecessor but still found it entertaining. We're just three weeks after X-Men:First Class.

I'm still looking forward to the movie but I will be following the box-office more than I ever have before! As well as user reviews.

[spider-neil]

Pirates 3
Pirates 4
Transformers 2

All slammed by critics and went on to make a fortune

[J.Howlett]

Devin's review's about as fair as you can get. He goes in depth with it, without an agenda.

[SuperDaniel]

As said before, I think this is like a Hangover II scenario. Seriously. Critics hated that film. I have yet to hear from one person who hated it, maybe didn't like it as much as it's predecessor but still found it entertaining. We're just three weeks after X-Men:First Class.
I loved the first movie, thought it was easily one of the best comedies ive ever seen and I didnt like hangover 2 at all.

[KalMart]

Well, Bryan Singer's Superman Returns still remains a mediocre movie. Doesn't mean you can't give a writer/director any freedom anymore, and have to make a (comic book) editor-driven pic.

Every good film starts with a good script and good filmmaker. But unless you have a proven B.O. leading record, you can bet that the people who are putting up 9-figure budgets are going to have some say. It's a rare filmmaker who can address both the marketing concerns and the creative/content-driven ones with equal aplomb. Nolan has pretty-much risen to that status, with perhaps Abrams securing a place up there as well.

[Marvin]

I agree with this
Its ironic you mentioned Fassbender because he was rumored to be one of the many actors who auditioned for the role of Hal Jordan/Green Lantern

yea, that twilight story is never happening, in cinema and it's just what WB needed imo. Their own Darth Vader.

Say it ain't so about Fassbender...say it ain't so:csad:
would have been awesome seeing him up against Strong and doing the top gun pilot.

Campbell has always been a hit and miss director. For every Goldeneye and Casino Royale, there's a Vertical Limit and Legend of Zorro.

yea, but the Mask of Zorro is one of the best ever.

[Chewy]

Pirates 3
Pirates 4
Transformers 2

All slammed by critics and went on to make a fortune
They are sequels to movies that were loved by audiences. This is not.

[SuperDaniel]

Pirates 3
Pirates 4
Transformers 2

All slammed by critics and went on to make a fortune
Those movies were an action feast though, larger than life. I dont think GL is in those vains. It seems like a smaller movie. WB was too formulaic with it, i guess, instead of going all out.

[S.A.A.D.]

24%

Fresh: 5
Rotten: 16

The difference: -11 reviews

[SuperDaniel]

Basically the main problem lies with the script and martin campbell and not the cast. Who would`ve thought? LOL

I just hope it makes money to warrant a sequel. They can easily fix those problems.

[KalMart]

Pirates 3
Pirates 4
Transformers 2

All slammed by critics and went on to make a fortune

No doubt aided by the popularity and/or and critical appeal of their predecessors. But for the first movie of a possible franchise....tougher hill to climb with one foot in the hole.

And honestly...if the movie is bad but ends up making a lot of money, will that be of some sort of comfort to fans? To group it in with movies like TF2 and X-Men 3? Yay.....we got one too!

??

[Spider-X]

Every summer critics pick one film to trash even if it's just mediocre, seriously hope that's the case here and that X-Men: First Class had something to do with it. Not a Marvel over DC thing just... hoping critics going from 'This is the next Dark Knight!' to a typical superhero film effected their decision. The clips didn't look that bad, rather entertaining: this wasn't the case with Wolverine or Last Stand. Like judging a sequel basically. Critics hated Hangover II, I loved it more than the first because it was darker and the stakes were higher even if it was "more of the same."

You act like critics are an organized clan or something. Sorry to say here people, but the consensus seems pretty clear at this point. And it's not looking great.

I'm sure it's not a terrible movie...but it's probably no where near as good as GL fans had hoped. It's reminding me of the feeling I had going into FF:Rise of the Silver Surfer....which is not a good feeling :csad:. I'm sure this movie won't be super close to that bad...but still.

I've had a feeling this movie wouldn't come off so well from the first time I heard the Green Lantern creed in the trailers...it just comes off as pretty cheese...and then when Reynolds tries to pull of the line with furiously saying "Green Lantern's LIGHT!" at the end of the trailers...I'm sorry to say but that's super cheese.

I'm really interested to see how this plays out. If it's true that this really costed $300 to make and it flops...I'm pretty sure it'll be the most expensive comic book movie flop made so far.

[spider-neil]

SR is easily one of the worst comic book movies i`ve ever seen on the vains of SIV and B&R.

Green Lantern is already better than that just by watching the 1 min online clips.

Hated that movie, HATED it!! Would rather watch a movie that is flawed but entertaining (SM3/X-3) than a serious borefest any day of the week

[Marvin]

WB needs to hire David Goyer full time.
please no more Greg B