Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Chewy]

There is no differencee between May weeks and June weeken in spite of what some marvel fan boys state . Kids are still in school until ed of June and warmer weather is beach time , boy I have heard it all . If we are going to us May week s as an excuse Thor had less competetion so it balnces out . though its a dasmn ridiculous argument to begin withlol

I love when people who have no idea what they're talking about try to rebut points that have decades of historical data backing them up.

[Poni_Boy]

lol

I love when people who have no idea what they're talking about try to rebut points that have decades of historical data backing them up.

Stop stating fact!! It's embarrassing!!

[Avengers-Report]

Is GL gonna break $150 domestic?

[Chewy]

Is GL gonna break $150 domestic?It's not looking likely. It's mimicking Fantastic Four 2 pretty closely and that opened 5M higher.

[craigdbfan]

There is no differencee between May weeks and June weeken in spite of what some marvel fan boys state . Kids are still in school until ed of June and warmer weather is beach time , boy I have heard it all . If we are going to us May week s as an excuse Thor had less competetion so it balnces out . though its a dasmn ridiculous argument to begin with

This has nothing to do with being a Marvel "fanboy" or not. It has everything to do with proven statistics over a long period of time.

Not only that but taking the consensus of the majority into consideration of this movie which is pretty negative for the most part. Financially it's off to a terrible start when you take into account the amount of money spent period.

[The Sage]

I agree with the reviewer who said this is the cheapest looking expensive film ever made. The helicopter/hotwheels track scene is a perfect example of spending alot of money on something that looks cheap, silly and stupid. It's the equivalent of the "bullet in the eye" scene from Superman Returns.

The flying scenes were totally uninspired. Fantatic Four was an equally bad film, but even the most ardent haters will admit the Torch flying looked pretty cool. Very uninspired.

I liked the flying scenes. And despite whatever misgivings I had with Superman Returns, the "bullet in the eye" scene was excellent.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This has nothing to do with being a Marvel "fanboy" or not. It has everything to do with proven statistics over a long period of time.

Not only that but taking the consensus of the majority into consideration of this movie which is pretty negative for the most part. Financially it's off to a terrible start when you take into account the amount of money spent period.It is off to a terrible start and it isn't going to make it's money back. It isn't a very good film and it already has the stink of failure on it. It's over the movie is doomed.

[KalMart]

There will be a sequel with half its budget, and a a new director . I just don't think DC is willing to give up just yet on GL

Don't forget hand puppets instead of CG aliens. :oldrazz::cwink:

[Poni_Boy]

Don't forget hand puppets instead of CG aliens. :oldrazz::cwink:

Yes! And here I present to you a Green Lantern 2 SHH Forum EXCLUSIVE:



http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e274/Greenlantern9999/DSC_0276.jpg

[Raiden]

Nobody except loony X-Men fans are calling First Class a huge success. It's a disappointment domestically. It's doing fine internationally but the numbers aren't groundbreaking or anything. It's no Pirates 4.

FC is not a huge, runaway success, but considering the bad stain that the previous two X-Men movies left us, to have FC be this great movie is a pleasant surprise, and it laid the groundwork for future sequels if they chose to make it. I prefer it over X3, which made decent money but was a crappy movie by itself.

And Thor did fine but it's not some mega 300mil+ grossers like Iron Man 1 and 2 or TDK or Spider-man 1,2 and 3. Those numbers have been overstated because it's really doing something near Superman Returns worldwide gross without those 3D tickets plumping up it's grosses.

Thor isn't grossing 300 mil domestically, but Thor (like Pirates 4) is doing extremely well oversea, and that's why its WW gross is 435 mil, which is quite exceptional esp. since Thor costs 150 mil to make, and was a relatively unknown superhero. Sure, Thor has 3D to thank, but GL has 3D too and look at their figure by comparison.

[KalMart]

Yes! And here I present to you a Green Lantern 2 SHH Forum EXCLUSIVE:



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The cut scenes fro GL are out already?!


:wow:


;)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

FC is not a huge, runaway success, but considering the bad stain that the previous two X-Men movies left us, to have FC be this great movie is a pleasant surprise, and it laid the groundwork for future sequels if they chose to make it. I prefer it over X3, which made decent money but was a crappy movie by itself.



Thor isn't grossing 300 mil domestically, but Thor (like Pirates 4) is doing extremely well oversea, and that's why its WW gross is 435 mil, which is quite exceptional esp. since Thor costs 150 mil to make, and was a relatively unknown superhero. Sure, Thor has 3D to thank, but GL has 3D too and look at their figure by comparison.I already said that Thor did fine but I'm not going to overstate it's numbers. Just like I'm not going to overstate them.

And I'm not talking about First Class as a film, I'm talking about it's boxoffice numbers. And they aren't good enough to assume that a sequel is signed sealed and delivered. It might get a sequel and it might not. Thats where that is right now.

To sum things up simply:

Thor is a success

GL is a huge failure if not outright bomb

X-Men: First Class is a disappointment

[Poni_Boy]

I already said that Thor did fine but I'm not going to overstate it's numbers. Just like I'm not going to overstate them.

And I'm not talking about First Class as a film, I'm talking about it's boxoffice numbers. And they aren't good enough to assume that a sequel is signed sealed and delivered. It might get a sequel and it might not. Thats where that is right now.

To sum things up simply:

Thor is a success

GL is a huge failure if not outright bomb

X-Men: First Class is a disappointment

Wrong. Opening weekend: $55,101,604 on 3,641 screens (Fox estimate $50 mil). Current gross: $123,396,394 (Dom) $287,989,236 (WW). Production Budget: $160 million

And that wasn't with the use of any 3D revenue, you arguably you can say X-Men: First Class had more asses in seats than Thor or Green Lantern.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not wrong at all. You are reading the numbers with fanboy glasses on while I am not. My love for the film will not in anyway change the boxoffice numbers.

A sequel is possible even with these disappointing numbers but the numbers are disappointing as is the two 50% drops the movie has exprienced.

[dark_b]

i dont understand fans who belive that studios realese real budget numbers. why would a studio realese the real budget to the whole public? i just dont get it.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i dont understand fans who belive that studios realese real budget numbers. why would a studio realese the real budget to the whole public? i just dont get it.They only believe the studio numbers when they make the movies that they like aren't underperforming. He's acting like I'm calling the movie a bomb or something.

[Poni_Boy]

I'm not wrong at all. You are reading the numbers with fanboy glasses on while I am not. My love for the film will not in anyway change the boxoffice numbers.

A sequel is possible even with these disappointing numbers but the numbers are disappointing as is the two 50% drops the movie has exprienced.

The only films that didn't have significant BO drops from one weekend to the next were Bridesmaids, Fast Five, Pirates of teh Caribbean and Hangover II.

A 50% BO drop in this summer movie season isn't just acceptable it's EXPECTED. That's why GL was tracking at a 60% BO drop even before the opening weekend hit.

No, X-Men: First Class was not a box office disappointment. Fox did not put all their eggs into it's basket (money, merchandising, tie-ins); it was a swan song and a gamble to save the dying X-Men franchise. Surprisingly it paid off well critically and financially.

And I am by no means an X-Men movie fanboy, I just respect the facts more than disappointed people's bias opinions

[dark_b]

They only believe the studio numbers when they make the movies that they like aren't underperforming. He's acting like I'm calling the movie a bomb or something.what i noticed in the last 2 years is that sometieme fans are defending bad BO with toys . they say that with toys and merchandising they will make the money. yes this is true. but when you are in a box office thread talking about the box office then i dont understand why even bring up the toys.

if the movie is performing bad in theaters then of course bomb means that its bombing in the theater.

i mean lets just ignore for a second all the rights and DVDs and toys for Tron. Tron didnt make enough money in the theater. which means that people didnt care for it enough. is this true or not?

Green Lanter is underperfoming. this is a fact. if they will make money back with rights ,dvds and toys then this is good for WB. respect . but right now people are not paying money TO WATCH A MOVIE IN THE THEATER. was the movie made for theater viewing or for toys and DVDs?.

[Tony Stark]

As publically traded company, I'm sure there is some requirement on what they report, but like anything else in life there are loopholes, so what you see on BOM is obviously not the whole budget.

Now any corporation is only reuqired to publish their overall profit/loss and not nessisarily for an individual film. However Studios want to get investors excited, so they will release as much information as possible.

[Tony Stark]

The only films that didn't have significant BO drops from one weekend to the next were Bridesmaids, Fast Five, Pirates of teh Caribbean and Hangover II.

A 50% BO drop in this summer movie season isn't just acceptable it's EXPECTED. That's why GL was tracking at a 60% BO drop even before the opening weekend hit.

No, X-Men: First Class was not a box office disappointment. Fox did not put all their eggs into it's basket (money, merchandising, tie-ins); it was a swan song and a gamble to save the dying X-Men franchise. Surprisingly it paid off well critically and financially.

And I am by no means an X-Men movie fanboy, I just respect the facts more than disappointed people's bias opinions

I agree with the above, execpt you should replace Thor with Pirates of the Carribean. Pirates had a 55% drop while Thor only had a 47% drop.

[Poni_Boy]

what i noticed in the last 2 years is that sometieme fans are defending bad BO with toys . they say that with toys and merchandising they will make the money. yes this is true. but when you are in a box office thread talking about the box office then i dont understand why even bring up the toys.

if the movie is performing bad in theaters then of course bomb means that its bombing in the theater.

i mean lets just ignore for a second all the rights and DVDs and toys for Tron. Tron didnt make enough money in the theater. which means that people didnt care for it enough. is this true or not?

Green Lanter is underperfoming. this is a fact. if they will make money back with rights ,dvds and toys then this is good for WB. respect . but right now people are not paying money TO WATCH A MOVIE IN THE THEATER. was the movie made for theater viewing or for toys and DVDs?.


Green Lantern, specifically, for toys :awesome:

No I understand and agree with you. Merchandising, home release and all that other jazz has nothing to do with theatrical success, just overall commercial success.

And the people who quote toy sales/home release sales seem to forget that those come with their own independent costs as well for production and marketing; that's a whole other budget the studio needs to win back

[I SEE SPIDEY]

First Class didn't just drop 56% in it's second weekend though, it dropped 51% this past weekend too. Those are not amazing legs or even good legs in the slightest. I loved the film but it's frontloaded as hell and it's obvious that the word of mouth isn't as good as some believed.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

But hasn't X-men always been frontloaded...?

The word of mouth that this was actually... a *gasp* good X-men movie, no doubt pushed the opening weekend.

However as usual... nobody sticks around for seconds.

[mr jinx]

Regardless of the final numbers, I will be angry in 5 years if there is no GL sequel or follow up after getting Fantastic Four 2, Ghost Rider 2, a Daredevil Reboot and Elektra, and a Superman Reboot all on the heels of box office disappointments.

[KalMart]

I'd actually applaud studios if they just stopped pouring more money into sequels for movies that didn't deserve them.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would too. As far as I'm concerned GL is finished, it wasn't good enough for me to want a sequel. WB had their chance and they blew it by hiring the wrong screenwriters and director.

[Octoberist]

WB needed at least 60 million on the opening weekend to greenlitgt a sequel according to this article:

'Green Lantern': 5 Lessons for Hollywood bit.ly/kTs17z

[Rock Sexton]

WB needed at least 60 million on the opening weekend to greenlitgt a sequel according to this article:

'Green Lantern': 5 Lessons for Hollywood bit.ly/kTs17z

I don't see how that is possible. We're talking about a movie that landed somewhere between $350 and $400 million between marketing and production budget. They would've need at least a $90 million opening. Consider the movie really only had 2 weeks to capitalize before Transformers 3 curb stomps it.

[Octoberist]

Hence why they're not greenlighting anything at this point. It's embarrassing actually..

[Poni_Boy]

Hence why they're not greenlighting anything at this point. It's embarrassing actually..


Studio planned for a $65 - $70 mil opener (which they set low on purpose to claim a big victory "when" it passed). Then revised it to $55 after the critical barrage.

[Octoberist]

Have about the fate of future DC projects or was the formation if DC Ent a waste of time and money.

[Poni_Boy]

Have about the fate of future DC projects or was the formation if DC Ent a waste of time and money.

IMO a waste of money. They were trying to mimic Marvel Studios' formula without following it to the letter. Would have been better to just leave it all under WB without the middle management crap

[Octoberist]

I'm just afraid now they might meddle directly with DC comics.

[Poni_Boy]

I'm just afraid now they might meddle directly with DC comics.

I haven't heard about that happening yet, but it is a possibility since WB now has creative control. I'll keep my ear to the ground

[BigThor]

To sum things up simply:

Thor is a success

GL is a huge failure if not outright bomb

X-Men: First Class is a disappointment

This

[KalMart]

Studio planned for a $65 - $70 mil opener (which they set low on purpose to claim a big victory "when" it passed). Then revised it to $55 after the critical barrage.

And it made, what, 53?

[Poni_Boy]

This

I still don't understand how people state that X-Men First Class is a financial or critical disappointment; personal opinions about the film aside.

[KalMart]

I still don't understand how people state that X-Men First Class is a financial or critical disappointment; personal opinions about the film aside.

Because it did better than GL?

[Krimasen]

Though GL was a big failure in a variety of ways, I'm pretty sure they would correct all that in a sequel. The sequel would probably be cheaper than this one, but they would (hopefully) get better talent behind the camera and make a better movie. This one was a failure, but I doubt the franchise is dead.

[Mysteryman]

Dead?
No.
Frozen in a state of Suspended Animation?
Most likely.

[Rock Sexton]

Though GL was a big failure in a variety of ways, I'm pretty sure they would correct all that in a sequel. The sequel would probably be cheaper than this one, but they would (hopefully) get better talent behind the camera and make a better movie. This one was a failure, but I doubt the franchise is dead.

They've already got footage of the new sequel ....

yUnFsE1xS0o

[KalMart]

Though GL was a big failure in a variety of ways, I'm pretty sure they would correct all that in a sequel. The sequel would probably be cheaper than this one, but they would (hopefully) get better talent behind the camera and make a better movie. This one was a failure, but I doubt the franchise is dead.

See, again...sequels shouldn't be made to 'correct' things...they should be made to continue something really good. Either a really good film, or a big money-maker, or both.

And I really can't see it being cheaper if they're naturally going to want to up the ante with the space/Oa stuff...of which they had so little in an already-costly $200M first film.

Of course, if they really can take the "I believe in GL as a whole", or a best two-out-of-three...then yeah, a sequel's possible. But if it's going to be bigger and better, they've got to find it in themselves to open up the checkbooks again...which is what's probably making a sequel the hardest sell, in light of the first GL. I mean, if you're asking to get more for less, and also make up for the first misstep....might as well drop the politeness and ask people to work for free while they're at it. :O

But yeah, if there's going to be a sequel, then they've got to show faith with their wallets...instead of pulling funds away and asking for more with arms crossed.

[Sith Scotti]

The only films that didn't have significant BO drops from one weekend to the next were Bridesmaids, Fast Five, Pirates of teh Caribbean and Hangover II.

A 50% BO drop in this summer movie season isn't just acceptable it's EXPECTED. That's why GL was tracking at a 60% BO drop even before the opening weekend hit.

No, X-Men: First Class was not a box office disappointment. Fox did not put all their eggs into it's basket (money, merchandising, tie-ins); it was a swan song and a gamble to save the dying X-Men franchise. Surprisingly it paid off well critically and financially.

And I am by no means an X-Men movie fanboy, I just respect the facts more than disappointed people's bias opinions

Xmen First Class is a major dissapointment . Yes its budget is less than GL but that is irrelevent to what puts asses into the seats . It has sold lesss tickets than akll the previous Xmen films and the wom aint great apparently . Thor had better legs.

So if we are to rip GL , lets at least acknowledge that First class ain't a massive hit

[KalMart]

They've already got footage of the new sequel ....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e274/Greenlantern9999/DSC_0276.jpg

[Poni_Boy]

Xmen First Class is a major dissapointment . Yes its budget is less than GL but that is irrelevent to what puts asses into the seats . It has sold lesss tickets than akll the previous Xmen films and the wom aint great apparently . Thor had better legs.

So if we are to rip GL , lets at least acknowledge that First class ain't a massive hit

People forget the context of the new X-Men film. It wasn't meant to break records or be the biggest superhero film of the summer. If Fox wanted that they would have made another Wolverine project with happy meals, action figures, bath towels and all the other merchandise that goes with these films along with a post conversin 3D release. They were trying to revitalize the property with a serious, adult oriented tone; a complete 180 from the last two films. Making a big profit would definitely be a well received pay off but that wasn't the intent.

That is the major difference between GL and XFC, and that's why XFC is NOT a failure in the eyes of it's studio where as GL is to WB.

[Krimasen]

See, again...sequels shouldn't be made to 'correct' things...they should be made to continue something really good. Either a really good film, or a big money-maker, or both.

And I really can't see it being cheaper if they're naturally going to want to up the ante with the space/Oa stuff...of which they had so little in an already-costly $200M first film.

Of course, if they really can take the "I believe in GL as a whole", or a best two-out-of-three...then yeah, a sequel's possible. But if it's going to be bigger and better, they've got to find it in themselves to open up the checkbooks again...which is what's probably making a sequel the hardest sell, in light of the first GL. I mean, if you're asking to get more for less, and also make up for the first misstep....might as well drop the politeness and ask people to work for free while they're at it. :O

But yeah, if there's going to be a sequel, then they've got to show faith with their wallets...instead of pulling funds away and asking for more with arms crossed.

Sure, but in today's market anything with name value can garner a sequel whether the first made money or not. From what I've read on this board, the CGI was not efficiently done. If they get someone behind the camera who knows how to get great CGI without blowing up the bank, I think they could still do it for about the same or less.

[KalMart]

Sure, but in today's market anything with name value can garner a sequel whether the first made money or not.

How much is the GL name value in movies right now, though?

From what I've read on this board, the CGI was not efficiently done. If they get someone behind the camera who knows how to get great CGI without blowing up the bank, I think they could still do it for about the same or less.
Even so, wouldn't it stand to reason that they'd want more for the sequel....more effects and more space with more CG aliens et al? If they again had only around ten minutes of Oa/space with only a few alien Lanterns featured, and the rest on Earth with a Cg suit and a cloud-demon...sure, they might be able to save some money.

Again, trying to go for cheaper is basically punishing the second film for the first film's shortcomings. Whereas if you really want to make the second film better, you need to give it every chance it can have...including more money....unless they tell you they don't need more money. With inflation, and more effects, a bigger scale/scope...you're asking them to do more with less...JUST BECAUSE the last film didn't do well. That's why it's rather dubious to give this a sequel when you wouldn't hold back like that on a sequel for a good/successful movie.

I agree that they should spend and hire more responsibly, but if you really want a better sequel, they're also going to have to find enough faith to put more money in as well if it's called for.

Also...didn't they go with Sony Imageworks because it was cheaper than ILM or WETA? And they still couldn't get things done in time with the extra money and extra/overtime/weekend work? Right there is where they'd probably be spending more if they went with a better VFX house and gave them more time/money to get it all done so that there wouldn't be these gaping holes in the pacing because of unfinished effects/shots. I have a feeling that if Sony was cheaper than ILM now....ILM won't be cheaper than Sony three years or whatever from now. More money? Yeah...but probably better spent for better results, no?

[Raiden]

Xmen First Class is a major dissapointment . Yes its budget is less than GL but that is irrelevent to what puts asses into the seats . It has sold lesss tickets than akll the previous Xmen films and the wom aint great apparently . Thor had better legs.

So if we are to rip GL , lets at least acknowledge that First class ain't a massive hit

First Class was made with a new director, relatively unknown cast, set in the 60's, and doesn't really feature Wolverine unless you count a cameo that lasted for less than a minute. I don't think Fox was counting on it being a massive hit, but rather to reclaim the respectability of the franchise after the last two X-Men movies. If they want to try to make as much money as possible, then they could've done X4 or rush another Wolverine movie.

[SuperAl]

I still don't understand how people state that X-Men First Class is a financial or critical disappointment; personal opinions about the film aside.

well people keep brining up GL's budget and including some made up marketing number. Xmens production budget was 160 add in w/e marketing they spent they prolly didnt make much either. 123million domestic is not very good.

[Silver Surfer]

well people keep brining up GL's budget and including some made up marketing number. Xmens production budget was 160 add in w/e marketing they spent they prolly didnt make much either. 123million domestic is not very good.
I agree. The result is definitely not very good but it is about to reach 300 mil WW and has been able restore faith in the hearts of the fans, general audience and critics. So it's not a failure like GL or a success like Thor, it's somewhere in the middle.

All that said, I doubt there will be sequel to X:FC especially when you consider that X4 is currently in development at Fox

[akfj]

well people keep brining up GL's budget and including some made up marketing number. Xmens production budget was 160 add in w/e marketing they spent they prolly didnt make much either. 123million domestic is not very good.

The budget is actually $135 million with tax breaks.

[bullets]

Regardless of the final numbers, I will be angry in 5 years if there is no GL sequel or follow up after getting Fantastic Four 2, Ghost Rider 2, a Daredevil Reboot and Elektra, and a Superman Reboot all on the heels of box office disappointments.


"I Know Right"

I'm all for a GL2 but alas it wasn't meant to be.

[Raiden]

The budget is actually $135 million with tax breaks.

But the marketing pushes the total budget to about 300 million, and this is one of the reasons why GL is not looking good to recoup its budget right now.

[Poni_Boy]

But the marketing pushes the total budget to about 300 million, and this is one of the reasons why GL is not looking good to recoup its budget right now.

I think he meant the XFC budget, but I may be wrong (that's how I read it)

Anyone who claims the GL budget is below $200 mil is out of their mind lol

[SuperAl]

how do you know how much the marketing costed, just cuz u read it online doesnt make it true, they only spent like a month marketing the film.

either way i hope they give it a sequel, keep the cast intact, possibly switch up the director. Maybe get jon favreau since hes off Iron Man now or someone who is familiar with using a lot of effects, believe it or not i think Snyder wouldve been a good option for this type of movie but hes on Man of Steel. i also hope they considering using a physical costume, the suit looked amazing on the close up shots but a lot of the wide shots looked weird. maybe part physical part cgi?

[KalMart]

how do you know how much the marketing costed, just cuz u read it online doesnt make it true, they only spent like a month marketing the film.

Less time can often cost you more money....as it did with the effects. Overtime, weekends, extra staff, subcontracting, etc.

[akfj]

But the marketing pushes the total budget to about 300 million, and this is one of the reasons why GL is not looking good to recoup its budget right now.

I was referring to X-Men: First Class. Sorry, I should have clarified.

[kedrell]

Wrong. Opening weekend: $55,101,604 on 3,641 screens (Fox estimate $50 mil). Current gross: $123,396,394 (Dom) $287,989,236 (WW). Production Budget: $160 million

And that wasn't with the use of any 3D revenue, you arguably you can say X-Men: First Class had more asses in seats than Thor or Green Lantern.



You can say that about GL and it's not really argueable at all. It's cold hard fact. XMFC put more butts in the seats.

But with Thor? No way is it possible it put more butts in the seats, domestic or OS. Even if you strip away Thor's 3-D advantage, it still will likely have made $75-100M more WW than XMFC.

[CaptainCraig]

The early number for GL's Wednesday is $3.9m, a 22% drop.

[Denny67]

Most of Latin America does not get GL until their opening day on June 30, Japan in July 22, Germany August 4th, Portugal July 28th, Sweden July 8th, France August 3rd, so on and so on. There is still a lot of money on the table, DVD sales, an merchandising deals. GL is not going to lose money as it is not just about domestic box office numbers. There will be a sequel.

[moviedoors]

Most of Latin America does not get GL until their opening day on June 30, Japan in July 22, Germany August 4th, Portugal July 28th, Sweden July 8th, France August 3rd, so on and so on. There is still a lot of money on the table, DVD sales, an merchandising deals. GL is not going to lose money as it is not just about domestic box office numbers. There will be a sequel.

I certainly don't think it's going to be a flop, but I'm not convinced we're going to be getting a sequel just yet.

[Delete]

Most of Latin America does not get GL until their opening day on June 30, Japan in July 22, Germany August 4th, Portugal July 28th, Sweden July 8th, France August 3rd, so on and so on. There is still a lot of money on the table, DVD sales, an merchandising deals. GL is not going to lose money as it is not just about domestic box office numbers. There will be a sequel.

are you still holding out hope for that Superman Returns sequel?

[Ita-KalEl]

The early number for GL's Wednesday is $3.9m, a 22% drop.

Simply terrible...

[jj9126]

Most of Latin America does not get GL until their opening day on June 30, Japan in July 22, Germany August 4th, Portugal July 28th, Sweden July 8th, France August 3rd, so on and so on.

Sure, but numbers in the territories where it has opened (United Kingdom and Asia) have mirrored America's ambivalence.

While I suppose it's possible that the film could have an amazing resurgence in Slovenia or something, that's probably not going to be enough to move the franchise forward.

Green Lantern's opening weekend is already affecting other films in development at Warner Brothers budget-wise. A friend of mine is involved in a production that was already hit this week.

[Cain]

It's making less and less money every day. It's a bomb. In 6 to 8 years time we'll probably see a Green Lantern reboot with a script by David Goyer.

[Excelsior.]

It's making less and less money every day. It's a bomb. In 6 to 8 years time we'll probably see a Green Lantern reboot with a script by David Goyer.
I am not looking forward to his meditations and ruminations on F E A R again.

[Rock Sexton]

It's making less and less money every day. It's a bomb. In 6 to 8 years time we'll probably see a Green Lantern reboot with a script by David Goyer.

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[KalMart]

I'm still sticking to my original prediction from before the movie opened of around $145M domestic...but admittedly, that's looking overly optimistic these days.

[MWF]

Regardless of the final numbers, I will be angry in 5 years if there is no GL sequel or follow up after getting Fantastic Four 2, Ghost Rider 2, a Daredevil Reboot and Elektra, and a Superman Reboot all on the heels of box office disappointments.

Eh, the original Daredevil did pretty well financially actually, so I can see why Elektra was greenlit. And it's not like the Daredevil reboot is hot on the heels of the original like Hulk or Punisher: War Zone. It's been eight years since the original film debuted; six since Elektra, and the reboot is still in the very early developmental stages. I wouldn't expect it to get released until 2013, at the earliest.

So if Green Lantern gets a sequel or reboot within five years, consider yourself lucky.

[Tony Stark]

It's making less and less money every day. It's a bomb. In 6 to 8 years time we'll probably see a Green Lantern reboot with a script by David Goyer.

Just remember Goyer wrote the script for Blade Trinity, and was an executive producer on Ghost Rider. Not everything he does turns to gold.

[LadyVader]

Sure, but numbers in the territories where it has opened (United Kingdom and Asia) have mirrored America's ambivalence.

While I suppose it's possible that the film could have an amazing resurgence in Slovenia or something, that's probably not going to be enough to move the franchise forward.

Green Lantern's opening weekend is already affecting other films in development at Warner Brothers budget-wise. A friend of mine is involved in a production that was already hit this week.

Romania, don't forget Romania!
Release date: July 29th. Woo-hoo, can't wait! :oldrazz:

[Cain]

Just remember Goyer wrote the script for Blade Trinity, and was an executive producer on Ghost Rider. Not everything he does turns to gold.

It was a joke. I've buried the guy too much on the Batman boards years ago to ever bother wasting time re-explaining why I think he's a hack. It just seems to be the only solution WB has with failed DC properties since Batman. It's like they have a glass box with the words "David Goyer Reboot" on it ready to be broken when they get beyond restless.

[KalMart]

It was a joke. I've buried the guy too much on the Batman boards years ago to ever bother wasting time re-explaining why I think he's a hack. It just seems to be the only solution WB has with failed DC properties since Batman. It's like they have a glass box with the words "David Goyer Reboot" on it ready to be broken when they get beyond restless.

David Goyer Hot Sauce?



When something lacks flavor...reach for the....

[hippie_hunter]

I certainly don't think it's going to be a flop, but I'm not convinced we're going to be getting a sequel just yet.
I agree, if a sequel is made, it's going to be more for the reasons why there is Cars 2 and Disney is prepping up Tron 3, they see franchise potential over the success of their predecessor films.

are you still holding out hope for that Superman Returns sequel?
I think Green Lantern has a better chance than Superman Returns because even though Superman Returns is the stronger film, it really wasn't all that franchiseable. Many people saw Superman as a homewrecker, you really can't turn the supporting cast into merchandise, all you could really do was sell a very flawed Superman.

Green Lantern on the other hand has all sorts of action figures, a better video game, a hero that isn't as flawed as someone who has a bastard child being raised by another man, etc. He's easier to market to those little bastards we call children.

[KalMart]

I agree, if a sequel is made, it's going to be more for the reasons why there is Cars 2 and Disney is prepping up Tron 3, they see franchise potential over the success of their predecessor films.

I think Green Lantern has a better chance than Superman Returns because even though Superman Returns is the stronger film, it really wasn't all that franchiseable. Many people saw Superman as a homewrecker, you really can't turn the supporting cast into merchandise, all you could really do was sell a very flawed Superman.

Green Lantern on the other hand has all sorts of action figures, a better video game, a hero that isn't as flawed as someone who has a bastard child being raised by another man, etc. He's easier to market to those little bastards we call children.
Those toys/mugs/t-shirts better sell like hotcakes, then. Go WalMart go!

Then of course, you'll be making another movie to address that...so instead of a richer, deeper, whatever film...we might be getting even more of a two-hour toy commercial disguised as a film. But hey, as long as there's a sequel, right? :oldrazz:

[dark_b]

first i dont think Tron toys are selling crazy like Cars.

second Cars made a lot of money . i just dont see how those toys could help.

third even if they get back their money then...........so what? is it our problem if they lose money?

[jj9126]

I think Green Lantern has a better chance than Superman Returns because even though Superman Returns is the stronger film, it really wasn't all that franchiseable.

However, Superman is Superman and The Green Lantern remains a character that probably wasn't popular or accessible enough to warrant a solo, big-budget franchise picture to begin with.

[Rock Sexton]

I agree, if a sequel is made, it's going to be more for the reasons why there is Cars 2 and Disney is prepping up Tron 3, they see franchise potential over the success of their predecessor films.


I think Green Lantern has a better chance than Superman Returns because even though Superman Returns is the stronger film, it really wasn't all that franchiseable. Many people saw Superman as a homewrecker, you really can't turn the supporting cast into merchandise, all you could really do was sell a very flawed Superman.

Green Lantern on the other hand has all sorts of action figures, a better video game, a hero that isn't as flawed as someone who has a bastard child being raised by another man, etc. He's easier to market to those little bastards we call children.

Huh? Man of Steel will not be a sequel to Superman Returns.

Trying to say Green Lantern is more franchise-able than the most recognized superhero on Earth is not quite objective.

[HaloCod27]

I really don't think Green Lantern is that marketable of a character. Sure, he'll sell some Dorito bags with his face on it, but I doubt come October 31 kids will be begging to go as Green Lantern.

[hippie_hunter]

Huh? Man of Steel will not be a sequel to Superman Returns.

Trying to say Green Lantern is more franchise-able than the most recognized superhero on Earth is not quite objective.

I'm not saying that Green Lantern is more franchise-able than Superman, just that Green Lantern is more franchise-able than a particular version of Superman.

If done properly, Superman blows Green Lantern away in various marketing potential. I think that Man of Steel will provide a very franchise-able version Superman.

[hippie_hunter]

first i dont think Tron toys are selling crazy like Cars.

second Cars made a lot of money . i just dont see how those toys could help.

third even if they get back their money then...........so what? is it our problem if they lose money?

The main reason why Cars 2 is being made is because it is one of Disney's hottest properties despite being one of Pixar's lowest grossing films. If the Cars IP acted like the Cars movie, I doubt we'd be seeing a sequel.

Cars in the box office acted a lot like Superman Returns, it just didn't deliver what Pixar is usually capable of. Just like how a Superman film should bring in a lot more money than what Superman Returns brought in. However, Cars is a merchandising bonanza. Superman Returns on the other hand, just can't deliver a lot of merchandise.

[hippie_hunter]

At least there is finally some good news for Green Lantern's underperforming box office:

“The mid-weeks will tell us where the film will go and if we move forward with a sequel,”
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/06/19/underperforming-green-lantern-tops-fathers-day-weekend-box-office/?mod=google_news_blog

Last weekend's No. 1 film, Warner Bros.' "Green Lantern," has performed well midweek in the high $4 million range and is poised for a second weekend of around $20 million. This latest entry in the summer's superhero wars should have captured around $90 million in North American green by the end of the weekend.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13914026

[Denny67]

are you still holding out hope for that Superman Returns sequel?

No more than I was a G.I. Joe, Ghost Rider, or Wolverine sequel… oh wait.

[Paladin-Hoss]

So it's a certified bomb then..sigh...

It's still boggles my mind that DC decided to go ahead with GL. To me, GL is one of those thing that may have look great on paper ( comics), but absolutely questionable to bring on the big screen.

[jj9126]

No more than I was a G.I. Joe, Ghost Rider, or Wolverine sequel… oh wait.

Ghost Rider is only getting a bargain-basement sequel to hold the rights. GL will be lucky to make about 15-20 million more than Ghost Rider (without adjusting for inflation) at over double the cost.

Wolverine, while awful, made over 370M worldwide, certainly enough to justify a sequel. I don't think it was ever in question.

I will agree that there's zero explanation for GI Joe 2 other than "crazy".

[Cain]

So it's a certified bomb then..sigh...

It's still boggles my mind that DC decided to go ahead with GL. To me, GL is one of those thing that may have look great on paper ( comics), but absolutely questionable to bring on the big screen.


I could say the same about Thor or the X-Men (I don't like the X movies but some have been fairly popular & quite well received). At the end of the day there is potential in the concept. No concept is too "questionable" if it's handled correctly. For christs sake look at Batman & Robin and The Dark Knight both based around the SAME general concept. Yet clearly one was much more successful at projecting that concept based on it's execution than the other. If executed right GL could've been MAJOR. This is why people made Star Wars comparisons cause it has THAT type of potential. However in the end the execution was not what it should've been to say the least and now WB is facing the consequences of that decision making.

[Liam_H]

So it's a certified bomb then..sigh...

It's still boggles my mind that DC decided to go ahead with GL. To me, GL is one of those thing that may have look great on paper ( comics), but absolutely questionable to bring on the big screen.

Almost any comic book property has questionable elements that will look bad on screen. I don't know if anyone else agrees but the idea of green lantern is not really that silly. The corps are basically space cops and their rings are their guns. I find this to be such an interesting premise.
The idea of it being 'green' as their power was poorly explained in the movie. The intro they had at the start of the movie should've been removed and explained to Jordan when he first goes to Oa.

WB marketed this movie completely wrong from the beginning (the teaser in November) by not taking the material seriously. The first impression to the GA should've fully embraced the sci-fi roots. They were making it seem like a cheesy comedy as if this was the Jack Black version that was once considered. The bad CG made it even more laughable. If you don't present the material in a manner that makes it seem like its taking itself seriously then why would anyone watching do so.

[GreenKToo]

Just my opinion, but GL was waay to busy for an introduction/origin film..
The things we saw in GL should have been saved for a sequel.

[Karelia]

Me want sequel. :(

[Silver Surfer]

Forecast for next weekend according to Box office Mojo
The Forecast, June 24-26
1. Cars 2 - $59 million
2. Bad Teacher - $22.5 million
3. Green Lantern - $18.5 million
4. Super 8 - $12.5 million
5. Mr. Popper's Penguins - $11 million

[Dreadstar]

W@W! Bad teacher will defeat green lantern!! :doh: LMFAO

WHy does WB STINK when it comes to super hero movies?:confused:

Maybe its the old guys in suits :eek: :eek: at WB that are totally clueless as to their super hero characters. :eek:

[Rev]

That Box Office mojo forecast is very old. The current results are on the site and show Green Lantern ahead slightly in the #2 spot.

[Lighthouse]

That Box Office mojo forecast is very old. The current results are on the site and show Green Lantern ahead slightly in the #2 spot.

Link?

EDIT: Nevermind. Found it.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/derbygame/

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm giving GL a 66% drop but personally I wouldn't be surprised if it dropped harder than that.

[Diamondhead]

all I know is that it deserves to make money
I've seen it and for a first Green lantern movie it's pretty good and i'd like to see more

[Gamma Burst]

Both boxofficemojo and boxoffice predict it will make around 18M this weekend, falling to the 3rd spot.
Yeah, It is a flop.

[Silver Surfer]

So chances are GL will be third this weekend and when TF3 comes it will be fourth? DAMNNNNNN!

Heck with the legs super 8 has, I won`t be surprised if GL ends up in 5th place 10 days from now.

[jmc]

Yikes, Bad Teacher is tracking better? :wow: Man, the percentage drop for this could be freakin' massive.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Depending on how it does today I wouldn't be surprised if GL had a Hulk like drop. I'm almost there anyway.

[Marvin]

It's interesting to see these boards go from WB makes the best superhero films to thinking they make the worst.

WB doesn't micromanage like Marvel so if anything, it's on a creative team basis. Sometimes even on a project basis(no matter what the circumstances BB would never perform as good as ironman).

The superman team is wildcard.

[Chewy]

Depending on how it does today I wouldn't be surprised if GL had a Hulk like drop. I'm almost there anyway.
It did 3.75M Thursday. I don't think it can pass either Hulk movie or either Fantastic Four movie at this point. The one that is closest among those is TIH, which has a 4M lead over GL heading into the second weekend.

[Doctor Jones]

Dayum...

[ThanosOfTitans]

So not even Ryan Reynolds can save this at the box office? That's honestly why I have zero interest in this movie...despite all the negative criticism I've been reading on the web.

Ryan Reynolds is a tad bit overrated and he's never really starred in a great movie (to my knowledge). Once he was casted, I pretty much had a good idea the direction this movie was heading. Seems Batman and Superman are the only two properties DC Comics is willing to take serious (well, I thoroughly enjoyed Watchmen which is grossly underrated).

Note to Hollywood...Ryan Reynolds is just a nice body and pretty smile, but his talent is best suited for straight to DVD releases.

[J.Howlett]

Marvin,

WB tends not to micromanage. Just look at the output from Eastwood, Nolan, Snyder, and Ritche.

But, and as a fan of the studio, there's been a slight disturbing trend at WB in the last two years. Clash of the Titans, Terminator Salvation, and now Green Lantern are victims of the studios butting in. WB didn't use to do that a few years ago. That's why it has gotten the reputation of being one of the best if not the best studio for director's. They're very director friendly over there.

But, I can't deny the troubling signs in the last two years, especially with those three films I've mention.

[Mysteryman]

Marvin,

WB tends not to micromanage. Just look at the output from Eastwood, Nolan, Snyder, and Ritche.

But, and as a fan of the studio, there's been a slight disturbing trend at WB in the last two years. Clash of the Titans, Terminator Salvation, and now Green Lantern are victims of the studios butting in. WB didn't use to do that a few years ago. That's why it has gotten the reputation of being one of the best if not the best studio for director's. They're very director friendly over there.

But, I can't deny the troubling signs in the last two years, especially with those three films I've mention. what is the cause of this shift?

[Marvin]

true, but I was referring to the Marvel level of having a creative producer associated with the brand ala fiege.

[J.Howlett]

Mysteryman,

That's what I want to know. It can't just be with Jeff Robinov taking over. He's been there a while.

I honestly wish I knew because the original Terminator Salvation and Clash of the Titans edits, if you've read up on them, were superior to what we got and you can see glimpses of it in each film...just as you can with Lantern. With those two films, you can feel something was off right from the get go. With Lantern, it took about 50 minutes in before you started to really feel the choppiness of it.

[J.Howlett]

Marvin,

Gotcha. Misunderstood.

[CaptainCraig]

It did 3.75M Thursday. I don't think it can pass either Hulk movie or either Fantastic Four movie at this point. The one that is closest among those is TIH, which has a 4M lead over GL heading into the second weekend.
Predictions about the net is that it's headed for minimum 65% drop but could see 70%!!!!

Under $20m weekend for sure it seems, regardless of how Cars2 does.

[Paladin-Hoss]

I could say the same about Thor or the X-Men (I don't like the X movies but some have been fairly popular & quite well received). At the end of the day there is potential in the concept. No concept is too "questionable" if it's handled correctly. For christs sake look at Batman & Robin and The Dark Knight both based around the SAME general concept. Yet clearly one was much more successful at projecting that concept based on it's execution than the other. If executed right GL could've been MAJOR. This is why people made Star Wars comparisons cause it has THAT type of potential. However in the end the execution was not what it should've been to say the least and now WB is facing the consequences of that decision making.

Ok..let's re -examine that statement for a second...and try not to analyze the concepts as comic fans...but as one of the average moviegoers.

X-men--super powered freaks who can shoot laser and one of them a Clint Eastwood type guy with metal claws.

Thor---- A viking with big hammer

batman---scary guy dressed like Dracula

Now...green lantern... i know if you're at least familiar with GL concepts, you'll be excited thinking Aliens! green lantern corps!

If you're an average joe, you'll probably think: green lantern--- a guy with a magic ring...and that's it.That's all they gonna remember from this 'GL concept'. All those things about GL that we--comic fans- thinks are cool, like Aliens with magic ring...and the oath...oh god, the GL oath...all f those are just gonna seems like hokey crap to the average people.

And of course...this is all just my opinion.

[Weadazoid]

Power Rings = Wonder Twins


Unless of course it is de Precious............ My PreeAAAAciOuSSSSSS!

[KalMart]

Marvin,

WB tends not to micromanage. Just look at the output from Eastwood, Nolan, Snyder, and Ritche.

But, and as a fan of the studio, there's been a slight disturbing trend at WB in the last two years. Clash of the Titans, Terminator Salvation, and now Green Lantern are victims of the studios butting in. WB didn't use to do that a few years ago. That's why it has gotten the reputation of being one of the best if not the best studio for director's. They're very director friendly over there.

But, I can't deny the troubling signs in the last two years, especially with those three films I've mention.

That's why I asked earlier if there have been any 'director's cuts' of WB movies recently (Watchmen, as someone pointed out).

[Poni_Boy]

That's why I asked earlier if there have been any 'director's cuts' of WB movies recently (Watchmen, as someone pointed out).

Director's Cuts are dependent on the director, not the studio. Snyder films so much extra footage that he knows won't make it into his films' theatrical releases. Campbell, on the other hand, does not. Green Lantern is a special circumstance because they DID film footage that wasn't used; but that footage never got the effects treatment. Which would mean WB has to fork over extra cash to finish those effects.

[J.Howlett]

^Except for Sucker Punch. His extended cut, which I've seen, was going to be the theatrical cut but he was under contract to deliver a PG-13 rating. And because of the "love scene" between Baby Doll and High Roller, the MPAA gave it an R.

Having seen the "love scene", the MPAA are stupid. Even with the extra bits of violence, Sucker Punch extended cut is still PG-13 movie. There's nothing R about that film in its long form.

[Poni_Boy]

^Except for Sucker Punch. His extended cut, which I've seen, was going to be the theatrical cut but he was under contract to deliver a PG-13 rating. And because of the "love scene" between Baby Doll and High Roller, the MPAA gave it an R.

Having seen the "love scene", the MPAA are stupid. Even with the extra bits of violence, Sucker Punch extended cut is still PG-13 movie. There's nothing R about that film in its long form.

There was also the time constraint. WB wanted him to cut the film down by at least 10 minutes before it was released.

[KalMart]

Director's Cuts are dependent on the director, not the studio.
Yeah, I know...which is why I asked since WB has a certain reputation of being 'director-friendly'. You'd think if that were the case...the majority of movies coming out ARE the director's cuts, so there's no real incentive for the director to want another version released. In GL's case, as discussed earlier, there were apparently issues with effects not being finished which forced certain shots not to be present....whether a director wants it or not.

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah, I know...which is why I asked since WB has a certain reputation of being 'director-friendly'. You'd think if that were the case...the majority of movies coming out ARE the director's cuts, so there's no real incentive for et director to want another version released. In GL's case, as discussed earlier, there were apparently issues with effects not being finished which forced certain shots not to be present....whether a director wants it or not.

Circle gets the square

[KalMart]

The other thing about 'director's cut' is that there might be quite a few movies out there that the directors would like to go back and recut here and there....but if they don't own the movies, they might never get access to it again after it's been mastered and released/distributed. Even if the owning studio would be okay with the idea, the offline edit may be long gone, with the editor/post house on another show, same with the sound designers, and so on.

The unfortunate thing is that some folks out there kinda' don't quite get that an 'extended' or 'director's' cut isn't quite something that you just press a few buttons, and get mastered/released on DVD through the same studio, lickety-split. If it's not consciously prepared during the main edit for theatrical, it might be a considerable cost to go back and unarchive the raw footage and make offline transcodes if you didn't take it off of HDCAM/Telecine, dig out an older edit session and relink, etc.. And then, if you wanted it all to look and sound good, they'd have to go through a whole new color-correct and sound mix, even for a straight-to-DVD release....if they wanted to do it right, and not have it look like some fan-edit just rearranging and inserting things.

Just as we've discussed unused, unfinished effects shots likely staying unfinished unless the studio pays for them to be finished...the same could apply to an earlier version of the edit, if they wanted to go back now and make another version. There's no guarantee that whatever editor/post house did it still have the sessions and footage in their systems/drives. So then it can come down to if it's all even worth it to whoever would want it.

[rogue trooper]

Yikes, Bad Teacher is tracking better? :wow: Man, the percentage drop for this could be freakin' massive.

People seem to dig comedies just a litle more than superheroes. "Bridesmaids" also topped "Thor".

[Chewy]

On Thor's third weekend.

[rogue trooper]

On Thor's third weekend.

..actually I believe it was by the end of the its second weekend(Saturday or Sunday).

[Poni_Boy]

On Thor's third weekend.

Either way, GL will be fighting with Super 8 for either third or fourth place at the BO this weekend. The predictions keep slipping down. First it was $23, then $20 and now $18. Sad :(

[Chewy]

..actually I believe it was by the end of the its second weekend(Saturday or Sunday).Not even close

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2011-05-14&p=.htm

Its first day ahead of Thor was that Monday. Bridesmaids has yet to have a day under 1M since. It is the exception to the rule, not the rule. It has had more days above 1M than TDK.

[rogue trooper]

Not even close

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2011-05-14&p=.htm

Its first day ahead of Thor was that Monday. Bridesmaids has yet to have a day under 1M since. It is the exception to the rule, not the rule. It has had more days above 1M than TDK.

Monday, right;). Still, quite before its third weekend.

[Chewy]

Monday, right;). Still, quite before its third weekend.I just meant that it was not on Thor's second weekend. Which makes it an irrelevant comparison point when discussing Bad Teacher potentially outgrossing GL this weekend.

[rogue trooper]

I just meant that it was not on Thor's second weekend. Which makes it an irrelevant comparison point when discussing Bad Teacher potentially outgrossing GL this weekend.

Well, on that I just have to dissagree. I believe in these tough times people seem to want to laugh just a little more than be "thrilled". A little. I think.

[KalMart]

Movies are just movies. There's nothing wrong with a small comedy being more well received than a superhero movie...in any era...or vice versa. I think any movie of any kind that's actually good should be appreciated for just being a good movie...likewise, a bad movie should be acknowledged as such in any genre or time. Heck, they still charge the same per ticket for all of them.

Bridemaids might end up grossing more than Thor, GL, or X3 when all is said and done. Outside of a financial interest in the superhero movies, is there anything inherently wrong with that concept? :O

[Mysteryman]

I hear its hilarious and we need more quality comedies .

[jmc]

Bridesmaids is really good, it's not a chick flick guys so don't be afraid to go and see it.

[Lighthouse]

FIRST BOX OFFICE: 'Cars 2' & 'Bad Teacher' Look To Be Overperforming Friday (http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-cars-2-bad-teacher-look-to-be-overperforming-friday/)

Looks like Green Lantern might place 3rd after all.

[Tony Stark]

Not a suprise, this movie was not going to get more than 19M this weekend. It's pretty much tanked durring the week, people have not reacted positively outside of the hard core fans.

This movie is a failure on all accounts. We can either hope they are extremely generous with a sequel or the whole thing gets rebooted, under new direction.

[jj9126]

FIRST BOX OFFICE: 'Cars 2' & 'Bad Teacher' Look To Be Overperforming Friday (http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-cars-2-bad-teacher-look-to-be-overperforming-friday/)

Looks like Green Lantern might place 3rd after all.

It's extremely early, but Variety reports that Bad Teacher is heading for an upper 20's/low 30's weekend (excellent) and Cars somewhere in the 60's (good, but not spectacular). GL will be in 3rd, just a matter of how low it goes.

[SuperAl]

Not a suprise, this movie was not going to get more than 19M this weekend. It's pretty much tanked durring the week, people have not reacted positively outside of the hard core fans.

This movie is a failure on all accounts. We can either hope they are extremely generous with a sequel or the whole thing gets rebooted, under new direction.

id prefer something along the lines of what is happening with ghost rider. not really a reboot but new direction. theres no need to recast people, i thought the cast wasnt the problem.

[Mysteryman]

Deadline is saying early estimates for Cars 2 and Bad Teacher are 65 million and 30 million respectively.
Nothing on GL yet.

[J.Howlett]

Green Lantern is done. We might as well close this thread. Considering what they spent, it's just done.

There's really no more discussions that need to take place.

[theShape]

Green Lantern is done. We might as well close this thread. Considering what they spent, it's just done.

There's really no more discussions that need to take place.

Sad, really now.

[Willi Berg]

This guy at Forbes seems to have put an optimistic spin on GL:

http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/

[Rock Sexton]

$87 million world wide before the start of this weekend? Yikes.

[Mysteryman]

Whole lot of"ifs" in that article.

[Willi Berg]

Whole lot of"ifs" in that article.

I don't know about fans going back two or three times to see it happening so much. He seems to be a big fan of the movie and GL, so there's a lot of wishful thinking. He doesn't mention the other movies opening like Transformers 3. He really wants WB to keep the superhero franchises going.

[Mysteryman]

I think they will.
I just dont know if GL will be the launching pad ,maybe The Flash.

[Lestat74]

This guy at Forbes seems to have put an optimistic spin on GL:

http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/

as much as I've been bagging on this movie and sharing my disappointment, ....this guy is mostly right. GL should not be branded with the same label as things like Speed Racer, Sorcerer's Apprentice, and similar movies that just flat out tanked. The midnight and first Friday numbers showed there was just as much an audience out there for GL as there was for Thor and X-Men. This will end up the same as the Incredible Hulk. The big difference being that people generally seemed to like TIH a whole lot more.

[jmc]

This guy at Forbes seems to have put an optimistic spin on GL:

http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/

Thing is I've heard him and read his stuff before, he's very much a GL fan and is looking at it through fan coloured glasses. He's being overly optimistic and has been very defensive of the film.

[Stephen K. Hone]

I don't know about fans going back two or three times to see it happening so much. He seems to be a big fan of the movie and GL, so there's a lot of wishful thinking. He doesn't mention the other movies opening like Transformers 3. He really wants WB to keep the superhero franchises going.

So far I haven't spoken to a single person who has seen GL out in the real world who didn't either like it a lot, or actually loved it. Quite a few have said they are going to see it again. The critics certainly hindered GL's Box office of that there is no doubt, however, if GL can keep building good word of mouth it might generate enough revenue with DVD/Blu-Ray, toys etc for WB to Green light (Green light that's kind of ironic!) a sequel.

[jmc]

GL hindered it's chances. Stop blaming the critics.

[Stephen K. Hone]

GL hindered it's chances. Stop blaming the critics.

That's your opinion. The critics share a big chunk of that blame, and that's my opinion.

[KalMart]

But can you really blame them for simply sharing their opinions about a film....like they do with every film they see, since it's their job? Or is there still some suspicion of extra wrongdoing on their part?

I mean, these are the same critics that were even harder on Sucker Punch...so is it their fault that that movie did so badly?

[jmc]

The only blame should be toward WB and those involved with the film for producing something that got ripped to shreds in the first place. Blame goes to WB, no one else, the critics review the film and the box office failings are the fault of the movie and the movie alone.

[KalMart]

The only blame should be toward WB and those involved with the film for producing something that got ripped to shreds in the first place. Blame goes to WB, no one else, the critics review the film and the box office failings are the fault of the movie and the movie alone.

That's too simple an answer, you know? ;)

I mean...this is Green ^%$#@ing Lantern! With the ring, and the shapes, and the aliens, and the poem and....

[Stephen K. Hone]

The only blame should be toward WB and those involved with the film for producing something that got ripped to shreds in the first place. Blame goes to WB, no one else, the critics review the film and the box office failings are the fault of the movie and the movie alone.

I'm curious, what was your opinion of GL?

[jmc]

Haven't see it, but I'm sick of hearing the blame going toward critics for the film's poor performance.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Haven't see it, but I'm sick of hearing the blame going toward critics for the film's poor performance.



I figured as much.:whatever: I'm sure when you see it, you'll hate it now. If you like it, you might have to admit that in retrospect
some of the negative reviews might have been a little OTT. I went in not expecting much after I read many many reviews. Imagine my surprise when it turned out to be very enjoyable.


I thought Thor was excellent, (a strong 8.5 to 9) and yet the New York Times gave it a horrendously bad review. Oh and btw, you are right. WB shares some of the blame for the lackluster first trailer, and the initial costume reveal on the cover of EW. Those two things together fueled the negative buzz which essentially chummed the waters for a lot of critics.

[K'Prime]

Haven't see it, but I'm sick of hearing the blame going toward critics for the film's poor performance.
agreed.when the early bad reviews were coming in.people were saying well the general audience will make or break the movie.not the critics.now that its not doing well its.the critics broke the movie...wolverine origins made a lot of money despite getting not so great reviews and coming off a bad x-3 movie

[Stephen K. Hone]

agreed.when the early bad reviews were coming in.people were saying well the general audience will make or break the movie.not the critics.now that its not doing well its.the critics broke the movie...wolverine origins made a lot of money despite getting not so great reviews and coming off a bad x-3 movie

I think there is more of a rabid fan base for Wolverine than GL, and Jackman can put a certain amount of butts in seats. Also the Wolverine character had the benefit of being exposed to the GA in three previous movies that GL didn't have. I thought Wolverine was pretty crap to be honest.

[Liam_H]

I think there is more of a rabid fan base for Wolverine than GL, and Jackman can put a certain amount of butts in seats. Also the Wolverine character had the benefit of being exposed to the GA in three previous movies that GL didn't have. I thought Wolverine was pretty crap to be honest.

Very true, GA loved Wolverine from the previous films. And Origins was a POS, fails to even be a dumb action movie.

[K'Prime]

I think there is more of a rabid fan base for Wolverine than GL, and Jackman can put a certain amount of butts in seats. Also the Wolverine character had the benefit of being exposed to the GA in three previous movies that GL didn't have. I thought Wolverine was pretty crap to be honest.
well thats a fair point.wolverine did have more exposure.boy did that movie suck.......but I guess a more accurate comparison would be the first fantastic movie in the sense that it got bad reviews but still made a fair amount of money and got a sequel even

[KalMart]

I think there is more of a rabid fan base for Wolverine than GL, and Jackman can put a certain amount of butts in seats. Also the Wolverine character had the benefit of being exposed to the GA in three previous movies that GL didn't have. I thought Wolverine was pretty crap to be honest.

So basically, you don't blame the critics for not liking the movie, but for how they expressed it...making it out to be the 'stay way from it if you value your sanity' movie of the year (after Sucker Punch)? I can see that. I do think there's at least a tiny element of 'piling on' that happens with some films.

But then again...it doesn't really seem to happen with good films. :O So it stands to reason that something about the movie itself...as a movie...must have opened itself up to it. But there could be a point where it does become a bit unfair...and maybe there's something to that in this case.

[Poni_Boy]

But then again...it doesn't really seem to happen with good films. :O So it stands to reason that something about the movie itself...as a movie...must have opened itself up to it.

Who are we blaming the film isn't doing well now?

[KalMart]

Who are we blaming the film isn't doing well now?

Some are blaming the critics.

[Liam_H]

well thats a fair point.wolverine did have more exposure.boy did that movie suck.......but I guess a more accurate comparison would be the first fantastic movie in the sense that it got bad reviews but still made a fair amount of money and got a sequel even

Good comparison but FF at least had a consistent tone of cheesy mediocrity, GL tone is all over the place. It's editing also wasn't as choppy and jarring as GL. It got a sequel cause it made enough (around 330 WW), at this point im not so sure GL can even break 300 WW.

A few months ago I never thought I would be comparing GL to the FF movies let alone defending FF :waa:....can't believe it turned out so bad.

[HighFivingMF]

I blame the yellow impurity.

[Poni_Boy]

Some are blaming the critics.

That's ridiculous


I blame the yellow impurity.

That makes more sense

[KalMart]

Good comparison but FF at least had a consistent tone of cheesy mediocrity, GL tone is all over the place. It's editing also wasn't as choppy and jarring as GL. It got a sequel cause it made enough (around 330 WW), at this point im not so sure GL can even break 300 WW.

A few months ago I never thought I would be comparing GL to the FF movies let alone defending FF :waa:....can't believe it turned out so bad.

I got some pretty nasty reactions when I likened it to FF when the first trailer came out...and I wasn't even being smarmy about it. I also said that if GL appeals to audiences on a basic fun/entertaining level, that's all it may need to be...yet some scoffed at that and said that GL is way too 'deep' or what have you to settle for that. And now here we are...hoping that GL will at least make FF numbers, and that audiences will appreciate it as good, simple, fun entertainment.

[Stephen K. Hone]

So basically, you don't blame the critics for not liking the movie, but for how they expressed it...making it out to be the 'stay way from it if you value your sanity' movie of the year (after Sucker Punch)? I can see that. I do think there's at least a tiny element of 'piling on' that happens with some films.

But then again...it doesn't really seem to happen with good films. :O So it stands to reason that something about the movie itself...as a movie...must have opened itself up to it. But there could be a point where it does become a bit unfair...and maybe there's something to that in this case.



If anything I think GL needed about 20 minutes more character development. Hopefully for the Blu-Ray we'll get a longer version. 10-15 mins more on Oa, and Hal's interaction with other GL's would have been nice. Green Lantern: First Flight was good in this regard.

[KalMart]

If anything I think GL needed about 20 minutes more character development. Hopefully for the Blu-Ray we'll get a longer version. 10-15 mins more on Oa, and Hal's interaction with other GL's would have been nice. Green Lantern: First Flight was good in this regard.

From the sounds of it...most of the cut footage was due to unfinished effects.....which will stay unfinished unless they put even more money into finishing them. So that may be too much to ask after its box-office run.

[Stephen K. Hone]

I got some pretty nasty reactions when I likened it to FF when the first trailer came out...and I wasn't even being smarmy about it. I also said that if GL appeals to audiences on a basic fun/entertaining level, that's all it may need to be...yet some scoffed at that and said that GL is way too 'deep' or what have you to settle for that. And now here we are...hoping that GL will at least make FF numbers, and that audiences will appreciate it as good, simple, fun entertainment.

Which is what it is. Good, simple, fun entertainment

[Liam_H]

I got some pretty nasty reactions when I likened it to FF when the first trailer came out...and I wasn't even being smarmy about it. I also said that if GL appeals to audiences on a basic fun/entertaining level, that's all it may need to be...yet some scoffed at that and said that GL is way too 'deep' or what have you to settle for that. And now here we are...hoping that GL will at least make FF numbers, and that audiences will appreciate it as good, simple, fun entertainment.

I've never read any FF stuff so I can't comment on its source material or mythology but after seeing those movies I never cared to learn more. Most of my friends watching GL have the same feeling; they're like 'meh'. That's such a shame because GL to the GA now is just a cheesy/silly hero while I'm just the dude (along with a lot of you guys) claiming how awesome he is.

[Stephen K. Hone]

From the sounds of it...most of the cut footage was due to unfinished effects.....which will stay unfinished unless they put even more money into finishing them. So that may be too much to ask after its box-office run.



I keep reading that, but they may have stuff that was finished and simply edited out.

[KalMart]

Which is what it is. Good, simple, fun entertainment

Apparently. But again, for some, the prospects of just that and nothing more was selling it short.

[KalMart]

I keep reading that, but they may have stuff that was finished and simply edited out.

I dunno...seems like a lot of stuff if the movie is as choppy and unrhythmic as many are saying it was...and it's still only 1hr 45min.

Think about this, too...scenes are written/filmed to be complete from start to finish...they depend on having everything in there to make sense and have a logical completeness to them. So if you have a scene that's, say, seven minutes, with only 30 actual seconds out of that seven minutes needing effects that aren't done...it doesn't mean that you can still use the remaining 6:30. the whole scene has to be there with everything completely finished, or none of it can be. Especially if the narrative during those scenes has something to do with the ring's power or what have you. So just a few seconds of unfinished effects can easily negate several minutes of screentime.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Apparently. But again, for some, the prospects of just that and nothing more was selling it short.



Well this was never going to be TDK.

[Liam_H]

Well this was never going to be TDK.

No one wanted this to be the TDK, which would have been an awful direction to go. We just wanted it to live up to its source material. Wasted potential essentially; what was great about Iron Man was that it embraced what it was. Nowhere near the type of movie as TDK but almost as great and to some even greater.

[hippie_hunter]

I don't know about fans going back two or three times to see it happening so much. He seems to be a big fan of the movie and GL, so there's a lot of wishful thinking. He doesn't mention the other movies opening like Transformers 3. He really wants WB to keep the superhero franchises going.

A lot of that article did have a lot of "what ifs" that seemed a little preposterous, but he did bring up some good points such as the movie performing rather well during the mid-week which was what WB really wanted and it's also very franchiseable and would cost less to promote now that it's out there.

However, I don't think that it's guaranteed to make as much money as the article says, it can possibly do it, but it's no way certain to make that much based on the film's current performance. And it would be risky to make a sequel that is hard to gauge how much genuine interest there is in one.

[KalMart]

Well this was never going to be TDK.

Neither was FF. So is it okay to compare GL to FF on a simple, fun level? Maybe FF should get more credit/appreciation than it did.

Or...are we trying to elevate mediocrity in light of some hurt fan pride or something?

[Rock Sexton]

That's your opinion. The critics share a big chunk of that blame, and that's my opinion.

LOL .... the ol' boogeyman critics .... I can't believe anyone is naive enough to ever make that their argument. How does one explain the financial success of Transformers 2 then? Critics roasted that film and yet audiences seemed to like it (me not being one of them).

[Stephen K. Hone]

Neither was FF. So is it okay to compare GL to FF on a simple, fun level? Maybe FF should get more credit/appreciation than it did.

Or...are we trying to elevate mediocrity in light of some hurt fan pride or something?



I don't need to elevate anything. It was mediocre to you. Clearly you didn't like GL, I did. End of story.

[Poni_Boy]

Sooooo, Box Office Prediction Thread.... what are the predictions for this weeknd?

[KalMart]

LOL .... the ol' boogeyman critics .... I can't believe anyone is naive enough to ever make that their argument. How does one explain the financial success of Transformers 2 then? Critics roasted that film and yet audiences seemed to like it (me not being one of them).

The first movie had established such a visual spectacle that audiences were willing to at least see that again, despite the painfully silly storyline. I would say that GL had at least the potential/opportunity to make its own unique and unprecedented visual/effects stamp...but without a prior presence/popularity like a preceding movie providing a foundation, it needed a solid story and film as a backdrop...and from most accounts, that's where it failed to deliver.

[Rock Sexton]

Sooooo, Box Office Prediction Thread.... what are the predictions for this weeknd?

Prolly 5 million. I heard critics had an emergency meeting last night in their underground lair and have decided to blockade most theaters nationwide with stacks of their printed reviews.

[KalMart]

Sooooo, Box Office Prediction Thread.... what are the predictions for this weeknd?

Twenty......








......thousand.

[Rock Sexton]

The first movie had established such a visual spectacle that audiences were willing to at least see that again, despite the painfully silly storyline. I would say that GL had at least the potential/opportunity to make its own unique and unprecedented visual/effects stamp...but without a prior presence/popularity like a preceding movie providing a foundation, it needed a solid story and film as a backdrop...and from most accounts, that's where it failed to deliver.

The fanbase has nothing to do with repeat viewings and word of mouth. If it was a crap film (to them), they would've walked away from it not wanting to see it again and telling everybody how bad it was. The film made more money in it's 2nd week than the first.

[Poni_Boy]

Twenty......








......thousand.

That's ridiculous


Prolly 5 million. I heard critics had an emergency meeting last night in their underground lair and have decided to blockade most theaters nationwide with stacks of their printed reviews.

That makes more sense

[KalMart]

The fanbase has nothing to do with repeat viewings and word of mouth. If it was a crap film (to them), they would've walked away from it not wanting to see it again and telling everybody how bad it was.

Like I said, being a new film/character with little familiarity amongst the general public, it needed a strong film or at least a real roller-coaster of an effects spectacle unlike anything before it. Did it have either...or enough of either?

[KalMart]

That's ridiculous
Good thing it was meant as a joke. ;)

[Mysteryman]

yeah, but if we stacked all these reviews together we might be able to get into most of those theaters through the ROOF!

[Poni_Boy]

Good thing it was meant as a joke.

So was mine :wow:

[Rock Sexton]

Like I said, being a new film/character with little familiarity amongst the general public, it needed a strong film or at least a real roller-coaster of an effects spectacle. Did it have either?

I'm not arguing against any of those points. The film accomplished nothing it said it would. Marketing was misleading. We knew something was up though when WB was spending extra money rushing to get effects done and then the whole embargo on critics being able to review the film before it came out. If that last part doesn't scream "DANGER WILL ROBINSON", then I don't know what would.

[KalMart]

So was mine :wow:

Too high a bet?

[KalMart]

I'm not arguing against any of those points. The film accomplished nothing it said it would. Marketing was misleading. We knew something was up though when WB was spending extra money rushing to get effects done and then the whole embargo on critics being able to review the film before it came out. If that last part doesn't scream "DANGER WILL ROBINSON", then I don't know what would.
If you saw the movie...did you see any potential in the actual story version they were telling that could have made for a really good movie, with perhaps some more stuff on Oa and some better transitional scenes? Or did you see something that really shouldn't have stood a chance from its inception?

[Liam_H]

If you saw the movie...did you see any potential in the actual story version they were telling that could have made for a really good movie, with perhaps some more stuff on Oa and some better transitional scenes? Or did you see something that really shouldn't have stood a chance from its inception?

I know you haven't seen the movie yet so you might want to wait until you do but read the first draft there are many elements in the movie from there.

I found so much enjoyment reading that draft and was pissed off at the same time at what could've been. My mood went from :yay:(reading script) to :cmad:(thinking about movie).

[KalMart]

I know you haven't seen the movie yet so you might want to wait until you do but read the first draft there are many elements in the movie from there.

I found so much enjoyment reading that draft and was pissed off at the same time at what could've been. My mood went from :yay:(reading script) to :cmad:(thinking about movie).

You might have been better off not reading the script first. :O

[dnno1]

What do "Green Lantern" and "Harry Potter" Tell us about the Future of Superhero Franchises. (http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/)

[Rock Sexton]

If you saw the movie...did you see any potential in the actual story version they were telling that could have made for a really good movie, with perhaps some more stuff on Oa and some better transitional scenes? Or did you see something that really shouldn't have stood a chance from its inception?

Honestly, my knowledge of Green Lantern is severely limited. I knew who he was, the image, and all that ..... but the whole fear vs. will thing came off campy and it was all over the film. The editing and story telling method can be fixed though .... but given the content angle they decided to go with (fear/will), I'm not surprised that so many have had a hard time taking the film seriously. I've only seen one film successful at doing something similar and that was the original Star Wars trilogy.

[KalMart]

What do "Green Lantern" and "Harry Potter" Tell us about the Future of Superhero Franchises. (http://blogs.forbes.com/markhughes/2011/06/24/what-do-green-lantern-and-harry-potter-tell-us-about-the-future-of-superhero-franchises/)

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=20703823&postcount=637

[Liam_H]

You might have been better off not reading the script first. :O

I didn't read the script first; what I mean was that while reading the script I kept thinking back to how they did it in the movie and I just kept :wall: (though not literally).

[Mysteryman]

Glad to hear that,no movie is worth your health.

[KalMart]

Honestly, my knowledge of Green Lantern is severely limited. I knew who he was, the image, and all that ..... but the whole fear vs. will thing came off campy and it was all over the film. The editing and story telling method can be fixed though .... but given the content angle they decided to go with, I'm not surprised that so many have had a hard time taking the film seriously. I've only seen one film do it and that was the original Star Wars trilogy.

Well....if there really were so many unfinished effects that kept a lot of footage out of the final cut, what was there might be the best that editing could do for the film, given what they had left to work with. It's too bad that the editing is so noticeably distracting for many...especially since it's someone as accomplished as Baird. He probably feels even worse about it, since he was likely handcuffed by not having a complete canvas to work from. There's only so much you can do with what you have.

[KalMart]

I didn't read the script first; what I mean was that while reading the script I kept thinking back to how they did it in the movie and I just kept :wall: (though not literally).

You might have been better off not reading the script afterwards, either. :O

[Liam_H]

You might have been better off not reading the script afterwards, either. :O

You might be right but I can say this: I'll be re-reading that script more times than I'll be seeing the entire movie again. And I didn't completely hate the movie. It's just extremely mediocre peppered in with certain sequences that are enjoyable. But overall a complete mess.

[KalMart]

Movies are just movies, y'know? Unless it's our money specifically being invested in the production...just take it if you like it, or leave it if you don't, yo? :yay:

[Mysteryman]

Deadloine now has an early estimate of Cars 2 making 68 million.
Bad Teacher is still at 30 million.
Still nothing on GL.

[Poni_Boy]

Box Office Mojo forecast:

1. Cars 2 - $59 million
2. Bad Teacher - $22.5 million
3. Green Lantern (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm) - $18.5 million
4. Super 8 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=super8.htm) - $12.5 million
5. Mr. Popper's Penguins (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=mrpopperspenguins.htm) - $11 million

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3192&p=.htm

[TheVileOne]

EW also did a fluff damage control spin job on Green Lantern's poor performance too. Which is obvious because TW owns EW.

[biolumen]

3. Green Lantern 3D (Warner Bros) Week 2 [3,816 Theaters]
Friday $6M (-72%), Estimated Weekend $19.4M (-63%), Estimated Cume $91M
http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-cars-2-bad-teacher-look-to-be-overperforming-friday/

[Silver Surfer]

The plus sized lady has officially started signing people, it's a wrap and GL is a disaster in every facet of cinema. From Box Office to WOM to critical reaction, DCE's nightmare is a reality.

[Liam_H]

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-cars-2-bad-teacher-look-to-be-overperforming-friday/

The pummeling continues, I knew this movie would drop but this is sinking faster than I thought (was probably being delusional).

At this point the movie will probably top out around $125 million domestic at most, thats being optimistic too.

[misjuevos]

quick little view at the numbers, not sure how accurate.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm

[J.Howlett]

Well, one thing's for sure; with these box office nunbers, Green Lantern will hit DVD/Blu Ray real quick.

So damn sad. Reboot in 5 years with no Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds. Epic fail.

[Silver Surfer]

Well, one thing's for sure; with these box office nunbers, Green Lantern will hit DVD/Blu Ray real quick.

So damn sad. Reboot in 5 years with no Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds. Epic fail.
Might as well add no Hal Jordan to that list, John Stewart would be my guess when considering that the possible reboot will try to distance it self from this train wreck as much as possible.

[J.Howlett]

Yep...

Oh well, at least I got one Green Lantern film that introduced me to the mythos. Of all the relauch titles that DC's doing, I'm seriously considering about making Green Lantern #1 my first comic ever I'll ever read from the start.

[Rock Sexton]

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/first-box-office-cars-2-bad-teacher-look-to-be-overperforming-friday/

Wow .....6 million on their second Friday. That's the definition of futility.

[Rock Sexton]

Yep...

Oh well, at least I got one Green Lantern film that introduced me to the mythos. Of all the relauch titles that DC's doing, I'm seriously considering about making Green Lantern #1 my first comic ever I'll ever read from the start.

It's their own damn faults. The whole thing was mismanaged from the time they yelled cut.

[jmc]

That $19.4 looks extremely generous. Massive drop.

[Silver Surfer]

Early estimates are normally overestimated, my guess would be around 16 mil at this point especially if it drops on Saturday like it did last week.

[jmc]

It's almost painful to watch. You hope for years that WB can do something that is received well and is loved across the board, instead they let you down. The one running the superhero show over there is Nolan, WB haven't a clue.

[Mako]

It's almost painful to watch. You hope for years that WB can do something that is received well and is loved across the board, instead they let you down. The one running the superhero show over there is Nolan, WB haven't a clue.

So true :csad:

[Liam_H]

Yep...

Oh well, at least I got one Green Lantern film that introduced me to the mythos. Of all the relauch titles that DC's doing, I'm seriously considering about making Green Lantern #1 my first comic ever I'll ever read from the start.

Very glad that you enjoyed the movie enough to care to learn more about this character. I have to say your the only person I heard mention that they want to know more about GL when knowing very little before(?) after seeing the movie.

[Ponyboy]

Shame really. Even if it breaks the 200mil mark it's still gonna be considered a "flop"... Pity. But you know, I'd rather see it fail commercially (knowing that it's not a good film) and then WB can learn what they will from it.

[samsnee]

But....but...all the kids that were still in school are now out of school so they are going to rush to see it right? Right?

[jmc]

And apparently those kids are gonna spend all their money on merchandise too.

[chiefchirpa]

I think kids are not watching this one and adults are looking it as a silly neon movie. Cars 2 will take away the kids, Bad Teacher will take away the women (like it has been any factor) but the killer blow will still be TF3.

They better have quality meeting now on the Flash.

[Poni_Boy]

Shame really. Even if it breaks the 200mil mark it's still gonna be considered a "flop"... Pity. But you know, I'd rather see it fail commercially (knowing that it's not a good film) and then WB can learn what they will from it.

Same here. I refuse to promote poor quality and it looks like I'm not alone. This entire debacle will definitely teach WB a few lessons.

EDIT: Also, I heard last night the magic box office number WB wants for Green Lantern is $325 mil worldwide to green light a sequel

[DaveMoral]

I have my doubts they will be looking to reboot even a few years down the road. They've got a lot of eggs in the Green Lantern basket right now. The film may be a critical and box office disaster but they are definitely looking to make GL a flagship character.

This fall you've got the launch of Green Lantern: The Animated Series helmed by Bruce Timm. If nothing else we know that Timm knocks this stuff out of the park with the stories he tells and the tone he sets. It might catch hell for trying to put the Timmverse design in a CGI package, but I think the chances of it captivating the kids and possibly adults in the same fashion that B:TAS, S:TAS and JL/JLU did are pretty good. That alone could give WB enough confidence to push ahead with a GL sequel and continue with Hal Jordan for that matter because right now there are no signs that GL:TAS is going to have Stewart or Rayner in it at all(those two of course existing in the Timmverse via S:TAS and JL/JLU).

And if on some off chance that GL ends up doing better overseas than expected pushing it's numbers up, coupled with a good showing with GL:TAS as well as the inevitable associated merch sales, I could see it happening. And knowing that GL:TAS is going to be space opera with very very little on Earth from what we've been told, that show alone could really show WB what formula really works and draws people in.

I still don't think GL is as bad as many are making it out to be and it is certainly still very much salvageable if a sequel is approached in the way it should be approached. The sequel is more likely in this case than it would be in others simply because there's a very successful creative team behind the upcoming GL:TAS and there's a very good chance for it to be a critical and viewer hit, possibly catching an Emmy if that team's track record is anything to go by.

Wishful thinking? Probably. That said, WB is going to have some money to play with after Harry Potter is said and done as that's almost a garaunteed $1 billion in box office revenues. The Dark Knight Rises is probably good for 400-500 million. Man Of Steel probably in the range of $400 million, especially if it's as good as it can be with Nolan's involvement. There's some possibility that the studio is going to still be looking to GL as their next big tentpole franchise, reassess, reformulate and really attack a sequel with all their might. Might be a slim possibility, but I think it's there.

With this one I'm not entirely certain the box office numbers are the end all, be all for GL's film franchise. Not with other signs pointing to WB putting a lot of confidence in the property.

[Poni_Boy]

And apparently those kids are gonna spend all their money on merchandise too.

Don't know about kids but I just picked up a bunch of movie masters at Target (Mattel didn't send me those). They're were on sale for $9 too!

[terry78]

I suspect, and this is just my prediction, that WB will announce that they want to bring Nolan on board as a permanent fixture at the studio to assist with all upcoming DC features. May not happen this year or next, but I think they will end up doing that. Johns will still be there, but Nolan is their golden goose.

[The Sage]

I suspect, and this is just my prediction, that WB will announce that they want to bring Nolan on board as a permanent fixture at the studio to assist with all upcoming DC features. May not happen this year or next, but I think they will end up doing that. Johns will still be there, but Nolan is their golden goose.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Congrats to Nolan, if he wasn't already, he's set for life. :funny:

[Silver Surfer]

I doubt that Nolan would want to be associated with comic books films that much. At this point Nolan can write his own ticket thanks to TDK and Inception, I think after TDKR and MOS he will walk away from the genre.

[DaveMoral]

I suspect, and this is just my prediction, that WB will announce that they want to bring Nolan on board as a permanent fixture at the studio to assist with all upcoming DC features. May not happen this year or next, but I think they will end up doing that. Johns will still be there, but Nolan is their golden goose.

That probably depends upon the success of Man of Steel. I don't think it'll be a stinker, but it's possible. Snyder doesn't have a perfect track record.

I wouldn't be opposed to Nolan taking a bigger role in that, if he wants it. I'm not sure I'd want to see the same attitude of "grounding" and all of that in superhero films though. Which is a kind of concern. If he's really closely involved with Man of Steel and fully embraces what that character is, a demi-god, then so be it.

GL is essentially a guy turned demi-god by a ring.

Maybe if they put Nolan into that kind of role he'd come around to the idea of the Justice League and tying his Batman to Superman to GL to well, you know the rest.

[Poni_Boy]

I doubt that Nolan would want to be associated with comic books films that much. At this point Nolan can write his own ticket thanks to TDK and Inception, I think after TDKR and MOS he will walk away from the genre.

He's signed on to produce the Batman reboot film. More than likely only to make sure a Burton/Schumacher incident doesn't matter. Past that I don't see him being involved; especially since he only participates in comic films where he already had an interest with the character.

[Frodo]

Well if a JLA film does indeed happen , I suspect that's where we will see our rebooted GL. Given that WB wanted to use different actors anyway, the recent box office and critical reaction will be a great incentive to walk away from this version of the character.

[Poni_Boy]

Well if a JLA film does indeed happen , I suspect that's where we will see our rebooted GL. Given that WB wanted to use different actors anyway, the recent box office and critical reaction will be a great incentive to walk away from this version of the character.

The first time I heard about WB seriously putting a JLA film in motion was back in 2009. The line up was going to be Green Lantern (Jon Stewart), WW, Flash, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman (which was negotiable for another character). If they want to launch other properties they can't throw in Bats and Supes right off the bat; it would take emphasis away from the other heroes. Now, this info is over a year old (and I was berated by fanboys the world over for putting this news out there lol), but I still see that happening.

[HighFivingMF]

Any idea if it was Barry or Wally?

[Blackman]

Barry and Wally were both in it. Barry being main Flash until he died at the end

[KalMart]

It's almost painful to watch. You hope for years that WB can do something that is received well and is loved across the board, instead they let you down. The one running the superhero show over there is Nolan, WB haven't a clue.

But it's also somewhat comforting that, at least every now and then, people won't endorse an inferior product no matter how loudly it's marketed. Sometimes, failing badly is the best shot in the arm towards upping quality control. Granted, some feel that Superman Returns should have been all the reality check they needed, but each franchise is unique. Perhaps Nolan will be the next Spielberg in terms of overseeing productions as an executive producer...a genuine film person who helps converge the franchise needs with the creative ones.

[Poni_Boy]

Deadline update:

Green Lantern 3D (Warner Bros) Week 2 [3,816 Theaters]
Friday $6M (-72%), Estimated Weekend $19.4M (-63%), Estimated Cume $91M

So... yeah

[Liam_H]

Perhaps Nolan will be the next Spielberg in terms of overseeing productions as an executive producer...a genuine film person who helps converge the franchise needs with the creative ones.

I can see WB doing that but using just his name only.

I might be wrong on this but don't studios get a lot of big name directors and slap them with the executive producer label so they can just market the hell out of that name. Spielberg comes to mind a lot.

I mean I highly doubt Nolan is interested in godfathering any more DC superheroes outside of Batman because that's the type of character that fits his interest. That's why with the MOS I don't see Chris Nolan having that great of an input at all. TDKR is filming now with it wrapping up in Nov(?) I believe while MOS films in a month. Nolan is gonna be pretty busy with post production work while MOS will be entirely in Snyder's hands with minimal input by Nolan.

[Poni_Boy]

I can see WB doing that but using just his name only.

I might be wrong on this but don't studios get a lot of big name directors and slap them with the executive producer label so they can just market the hell out of that name. Spielberg comes to mind a lot.

I mean I highly doubt Nolan is interested in godfathering any more DC superheroes outside of Batman because that's the type of character that fits his interest. That's why with the MOS I don't see Chris Nolan having that great of an input at all. TDKR is filming now with it wrapping up in Nov(?) I believe while MOS films in a month. Nolan is gonna be pretty busy with post production work while MOS will be entirely in Snyder's hands with minimal input by Nolan.

Nolan is done with MOS. He said that once the script was delivered to Snyder he washed his hands of it. Now that he's already had his say, he's a producer in name only; I don't see him offering any more help to Snyder and Co

[KalMart]

I can see WB doing that but using just his name only.

I might be wrong on this but don't studios get a lot of big name directors and slap them with the executive producer label so they can just market the hell out of that name. Spielberg comes to mind a lot.

I mean I highly doubt Nolan is interested in godfathering any more DC superheroes outside of Batman because that's the type of character that fits his interest. That's why with the MOS I don't see Chris Nolan having that great of an input at all. TDKR is filming now with it wrapping up in Nov(?) I believe while MOS films in a month. Nolan is gonna be pretty busy with post production work while MOS will be entirely in Snyder's hands with minimal input by Nolan.
It's not so much the actual creative influence/input of someone like Nolan or Spielberg. To me it's more about protecting the filmmaker from studio micromanagement, and knowing from experience that a movie's best chance at success depends on how good of a film, or at least a movie experience, it is. Guys like Spielberg and Nolan are first and foremost filmmakers. They understand what a filmmaker has to go through and how important it is to have the trust and support of the brass to ensure creative quality.

Sure, technically and in terms of movie involvement, it may just be their name for advertising purposes. But most likely, their association also affords some valuable protection to the actual director...their name buys that for the director through the confidence that the brass has in that name. It's probably the best sponsorship/voucher a filmmaker could ask for with such a big project. So if someone like Snyder needs some breathing room from the money watchers....someone like Nolan or Spielberg asking for that breathing room will carry considerably more weight than Snyder asking for it. And it doesn't mean that Spielberg or Nolan have to be there every day, or that they can't be making their own films at the same time. It also may end up biting them in et ass if the director just f's everything up. But...if you believe that the quality/success of the film starts with...well....the quality of the film and its filmmakers...it's nice to have a fellow filmmaker in good graces with the brass that will vouch for you.

[Liam_H]

Nolan is done with MOS. He said that once the script was delivered to Snyder he washed his hands of it. Now that he's already had his say, he's a producer in name only; I don't see him offering any more help to Snyder and Co


Well if he barely wants anything to do with MOS than it seems highly unlikely he'll work on anymore DC heroes. WB is gonna need to find somebody else now with Nolan maybe letting them just use his name, which I doubt.

[KalMart]

Well if he barely wants anything to do with MOS than it seems highly unlikely he'll work on anymore DC heroes. WB is gonna need to find somebody else now with Nolan maybe letting them just use his name, which I doubt.

If you look at Spielberg with Bay and Abrams....perhaps that's what they're looking for. Not just for superhero movies, but really any big-time movie with a lot of money involved.

[Excelsior.]

Nolan has reached the top of Hollywood at age 40, damn.

[Liam_H]

Nolan has reached the top of Hollywood at age 40, damn.

Let's all pray he doesn't pull an M Night after TDKR.

[dark_b]

Nolan has reached the top of Hollywood at age 40, damn.
Nolan will be at the top in hollywood when he will be making millions by not working the whole year. like Bay and Spielberg.joke

while i am a huge Nolan fan i am still waiting for the movie where he will give us the defining emotional moment where we will cry. when he will find a way to combine hes inteligent scrips with emotions he will be on top IMO.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Nolan's played a big hand in the casting of The Man of Steel actually and had to step in awhile back during those script issues with Goyer.

[KalMart]

Nolan's played a big hand in the casting of The Man of Steel actually and had to step in awhile back during those script issues with Goyer.

He also chose the director, as I recall.

[HighFivingMF]

Nolan will be at the top in hollywood when he will be making millions by not working the whole year. like Bay and Spielberg.joke

We can't exactly know that. I don't think he's stopped working since Begins. :oldrazz:

[Poni_Boy]

Nolan's played a big hand in the casting of The Man of Steel actually and had to step in awhile back during those script issues with Goyer.

Oh most definitely. But from what I heard, he had a casting wish list set up even before he went to WB with the script. I find it rather funny that Nolan likes to work with the same cast/crew over and over again but it doesn't look like he wants to share with Snyder :oldrazz:

[dark_b]

Box Office Mojo forecast:

1. Cars 2 - $59 million
2. Bad Teacher - $22.5 million
3. Green Lantern (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm) - $18.5 million
4. Super 8 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=super8.htm) - $12.5 million
5. Mr. Popper's Penguins (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=mrpopperspenguins.htm) - $11 million

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3192&p=.htm:dry::wow:


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[KalMart]

Oh most definitely. But from what I heard, he had a casting wish list set up even before he went to WB with the script. I find it rather funny that Nolan likes to work with the same cast/crew over and over again but it doesn't look like he wants to share with Snyder :oldrazz:

Well...he had his own movie to make, too. ;)

[Bruce_Begins]

That is forecast, not real figures, Cars 2 may do better than that, and bad Teacher may be that good.