Green Lantern Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

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[Green Day]

I did not see this thread and other movies already have box office prediction threads and this opens less then a month.
Anyways
for me
50m opening weekend
138m domestic
120m overseas
258m worldwide

[Poni_Boy]

Why are people saying it's only made $53 for the weekend? Does sunday not count anymore? :dry:

The 53 includes Sunday. It's a projection, not actual figures. It's why I don't post a box office report on our site until Mondays.

[Chewy]

Why are people saying it's only made $53 for the weekend? Does sunday not count anymore? :dry:
:dry:

[Doctor Jones]

So now with Deadpool: If GL was a huge success a Deadpool film wouldn't be much of a possibility. Not that I was pulling for this to fail, but I always wanted one regardless of how this did. Could he still do it?

[Marvin]

he was supposed to be a mega draw at this point
now...it like if dead pool fails that would be like his 5th superhero failure?

[dnno1]

(http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=20652429&postcount=991) worldwide means nothing since it was not realesed worldwide. it comes out in july and august.

It was released in 18 countries outside the US this weekend. That's a worldwide figure. I am really sorry that this is happening. I kind of feel partly responsible. It really seems like the message being sent is that Green Lantern is a silly concept (yet I can think of other things that are just as silly that are classics). This isn't over yet. Let's see how much of a drop there is.

[Weadazoid]

Why do you feel responsible Dnno???

[S.A.A.D.]

I hope that Warner Brothers provides their two cents soon.

[Karelia]

I hope that Warner Brothers provides their two cents soon.

Me too, I'm really curious what they have to say about this.

[Weadazoid]

They aint gonna say a thing for a bit

[KalMart]

I hope that Warner Brothers provides their two cents soon.

I don't think they can afford it anymore this movie.



heh...j/k ;)

[akfj]

Why do you feel responsible Dnno???

He's actually Geoff Johns.

[KalMart]

[URL="http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=20652429&postcount=991"]

It was released in 18 countries outside the US this weekend. That's a worldwide figure. I am really sorry that this is happening. I kind of feel partly responsible. It really seems like the message being sent is that Green Lantern is a silly concept (yet I can think of other things that are just as silly that are classics). This isn't over yet. Let's see how much of a drop there is.

See, buddy, I TOLD you NOT to predict that the movie would be good and successful...it's like the kiss of death, with your track record.


;) :oldrazz:

[TheVileOne]

Marvin, he's not ****ing Tony Stark from Iron Man or Will Smith from ID4 either. I love how you compare ID4 to Inception too, totally LOL.

Doctor Jones, I don't solely blame Reynolds. I held off on him and gave him a chance and the benefit of the doubt. He failed to succeed my expectations. If you actually pay attention I give other reasons for causing the movie's failure. I mean it wasn't a terrible movie or anything. It was decent but it has failed with audiences.

[Tony Stark]

Major disappointment, but can't say I'm surprised given the terrible WOM.

I think you're pretty much looking at just north of $100 million.

This is going to be Superman Returns all over again, where the studio will hint at a sequel to save face but quietly pull the plug behind the curtain.

An absolute waste of money and talent.

[KangConquers]

I sadly see this doing about 230 Million worldwide now.

[Chewy]

This is going to be Superman Returns all over again, where the studio will hint at a sequel to save face but quietly pull the plug behind the curtain.Or The Incredible Hulk, or Fantastic Four 2.

With budgets this size movies need to make proportionately more for the studio to actually move forward with a sequel.

[KangConquers]

Or The Incredible Hulk, or Fantastic Four 2.

With budgets this size movies need to make proportionately more for the studio to actually move forward with a sequel.


Exactly. One WB Studio executive said that their goal for SMR was $500 Mil WW. That was on a 270 M budget post advertising. Green Lantern has a $300 Mil budget after marketing...if we were assuming the bar would be raised proportionately, it'd fall in the mid-500s worldwide. B

Basically, WB was expecting an Iron Man, and they got a Ghost Rider or a Daredevil.

[Electrix]

Green Lantern's start landed behind X-Men: First Class's $55.1 million and Thor's $65.7 million, and its Friday-to-Saturday drop of 22 percent was steeper than those movies' eight percent. The gross was also less than The Incredible Hulk and the two Fantastic Four movies, and the attendance disparity was only greater. Green Lantern's estimated attendance was even lower than Daredevil and Ghost Rider.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3190&p=.htm

[jmc]

Why do you feel responsible Dnno???

Dnno was convinced the movie couldn't fail.

[jmc]

I sadly see this doing about 230 Million worldwide now.

I'm predicting less, if WB had released it worldwide they could have at least recouped some cash, but the ridiculous staggered release dates means bad word of mouth is just going to spread over the next few weeks.

[Gold Samurai]

150 million on marketing the film is where they dropped the ball . The 200 million budget for a superhero film while not cheap is not unheard of .


The Marketing cost nearly as much tells me the wb needs a new marketing dept .

And who really wants a Green lantern labeled Whopper?

[KalMart]

I'm predicting less, if WB had released it worldwide they could have at least recouped some cash, but the ridiculous staggered release dates means bad word of mouth is just going to spread over the next few weeks.

Thing is though...if the movie were really well received and successful in its North American opening...wouldn't it be good to have staggered releases so that it could build up extra buzz/good WOM to the later ones? I would think that was part of the initial plan, no? But if they recognized near opening that the movie was going to be ill-received, it was probably too late to change the release dates everywhere else.

[KangConquers]

And who really wants a Green lantern labeled Whopper?

Or colostomy bag.

[Marvin]

why so low?

was it the critics?
did the audience hate it more than other bad films(that have done better)?

a curious case.

...has Johns opened his page back up for commenting?
I want to ask him about kyle rayner

[HighFivingMF]

And who really wants a Green lantern labeled Whopper?

Is it green? If so... Yes.

For some reason.

[jmc]

Thing is tough...if the movie were really well received and successful in its North American opening...wouldn't it be good to have staggered releases so that it could build up extra buzz/good WOM to the later ones? I would think that was part of the initial plan, no? But if they recognized near opening that the movie was going to be ill-received, it was probably too late to change the release dates everywhere else.

The reason for the staggered release dates was simply lack of 3D screens worldwide, next week Cars 2 is getting released and then TF3. It had nothing to do with creating buzz or hype, they wanted to take advantage of the extra revenue that 3D brings and releasing it worldwide this week would have given them only a few days to capitalise on it. As it stands now it's backfired on them because now there's a 4 week gaps until the film opens up in the next major markets, and 4 weeks is a hell of a long time for a) bad word to spread, and b) for people to simple download the thing online. Put this down as another bone headed decision of the many bone headed decisions about GL.

[HighFivingMF]

...has Johns opened his page back up for commenting?
I want to ask him about kyle rayner

I don't know what page was shut down... I tweeted at him just fine.

[KangConquers]

why so low?

was it the critics?
did the audience hate it more than other bad films(that have done better)?

a curious case.

Here's my theory:


1. People didn't like the trailers. They started to like them even less when they had to see them every single time they turned on their TV.
2. Critics reamed the movie.
3. Green Lantern is not an A-list property. Few comic book characters really are. Only Spider-Man and Batman have reached the upper echelon of box office glory (Over 800 Million worldwide) and that was based on popularity, reviews, and general awareness.

[Chewy]

Is it green? If so... Yes.

For some reason.You would eat a green Whopper?!

Do you have a death wish?

[KalMart]

The reason for the staggered release dates was simply lack of 3D screen worldwide, next week Cars 2 is getting released and then TF3. It had nothing to do with creating buzz or hype, they wanted to take advantage of the extra revenue that 3D brings and releasing it worldwide this week would have given them only a few days to capitalise on it. As it stands now it's backfired on them because now there's a 4 week gaps until the film opens up in the next major markets, and 4 weeks is a hell of a long time for a) bad word to spread, and b) for people to simple download the thing online. Put this down as another bone headed decision of the many bone headed decisions about GL.

Again...if the movie was really good/successful out of the gate, with good WOM...wouldn't it have still been a good plan?

[Marvin]

I don't know what page was shut down... I tweeted at him just fine.

his facebook fan comments, I don't have twittahh
I would like to see his though, would you be so kind as to provide the link?

[Poni_Boy]

Again...if the movie was really good/successful out of the gate, with good WOM...wouldn't it have still been a good plan?

Nope. WB wasn't happy to be releasing GL in international theaters the same weekend as Cap in August. They decided it was better to wait for the 3D screens to become available (even though 3D ticket sales are very low right now).

They obviously knew the film would be pirated online (it's already available in close to HD quality) before it hit int theaters. It was a bad call

[jmc]

Again...if the movie was really good/successful out of the gate...wouldn't it have still been a good plan?

Why is that a good plan? You're banking on the film being good and word of mouth being strong and the good will of fans not to download the thing. If the cards fell into place than yes it becomes a fortunate outcome, but they haven't and now they've gotta live with the consequences.

[Marvin]

Here's my theory:


1. People didn't like the trailers. They started to like them even less when they had to see them every single time they turned on their TV.
2. Critics reamed the movie.
3. Green Lantern is not an A-list property. Few comic book characters really are. Only Spider-Man and Batman have reached the upper echelon of box office glory (Over 800 Million worldwide) and that was based on popularity, reviews, and general awareness.

It's kinda tragic, all the work they put into fixing the marketing. I remember how happy they all were at wonder con and we were happy for them. Must be stressful to finally have the film out there and get this kinda reception.

could be worse though.
I just hope snyder's watching with intent eyes.

[HighFivingMF]

his facebook fan comments, I don't have twittahh
I would like to see his though, would you be so kind as to provide the link?

Sure thing, sir. He hasn't said much on the movie.

http://twitter.com/#!/GeoffJohns0

Anyone know which Facebook page? "The Official Geoff johns Fan Page" is still getting comments good and bad, is it another one?

[dnno1]

Why do you feel responsible Dnno???

Dnno was convinced the movie couldn't fail.

More than that, I (we) gave our inputs on forums like this and they pretty much listened to us. They made a film that only we fan's could appreciate and as it turned out they might have been right about the Jack Black angle (if they wanted to appeal to adults not aware of Green Lantern).

[Poni_Boy]

More than that, I (we) gave our inputs on forums like this and they pretty much listened to us. They made a film that only we fan's could appreciate and as it turned out they might have been right about the Jack Black angle (if they wanted to appeal to adults not aware of Green Lantern).

Sorry, no. Plenty of fans called this movie out for what it was. Providing fan service-throwaway scenes is NOT making a film specifically for fans. That was Scott Pilgrim

[jmc]

They don't read these forums.

[Gold Samurai]

The first trailer was a mistake

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And then they tried to a more epic 3D trailer


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Is it funny? Is it supposed to be a space opera?

[dnno1]

Why is that a good plan? You're banking on the film being good and word of mouth being strong and the good will of fans not to download the thing. If the cards fell into place than yes it becomes a fortune outcome, but they haven't and now they've gotta live with the consequences.

So I take it you downloaded a crappy cellphone cam copy and are basing your assessment of the film on that right?

[GreenLantern1]

Hmmm, thats weird, all the comments on the Geoff Johns page were gone yesterday along with the comment box.

[dnno1]

Sorry, no. Plenty of fans called this movie out for what it was. Providing fan service-throwaway scenes is NOT making a film specifically for fans. That was Scott Pilgrim

There were a hand full of trolls out there that said that the film would bomb and compared it to the other Marvel films, but I wouldn't say plenty of fans (you can't even prove that). The truth of the matter is that these same critics that judged the film as rotten admitted to the fact that the acting was good, that the movie was fun to see, and that the SFx were a lot better than what was presented last fall (within the body of their reviews). To me that's ironic.

[Poni_Boy]

There were a hand full of trolls out there that said that the film would bomb and compared it to the other Marvel films, but I wouldn't say plenty of fans (you can't even prove that). The truth of the matter is that these same critics that judged the film as rotten admitted to the fact that the acting was good, that the movie was fun to see, and that the SFx were a lot better than what was presented last fall (within the body of their reviews). To me that's ironic.

So it's ironic to praise the good qualities of a film but negate the bad ones? We have to accept a film as a whole without breaking down what could (or should) have been improved?

Right

[KalMart]

Why is that a good plan? You're banking on the film being good and word of mouth being strong and the good will of fans not to download the thing.
That's what I'm saying...was it too risky for them to have enough confidence in
GL to make this a good plan? And do you think they were able to recognize how good/successful (or not) Gl would be in time to change those release dates?

If the cards fell into place than yes it becomes a fortunate outcome, but they haven't and now they've gotta live with the consequences.
It's no more or less a risky leap of faith than sinking hundreds of millions of dollars in any film.

[Poni_Boy]

It's no more or less a risky leap of faith than sinking hundreds of millions of dollars in any film.

Theatrical Release 101: You ALWAYS want to release your movie in as many venues as possible on the same day. That will guarantee the largest possible box office performance. Anything else increses the likelihood of failure by adding unknown variables (reviews, word of mouth, competition, etc)

[KalMart]

Nope. WB wasn't happy to be releasing GL in international theaters the same weekend as Cap in August. They decided it was better to wait for the 3D screens to become available (even though 3D ticket sales are very low right now).

They obviously knew the film would be pirated online (it's already available in close to HD quality) before it hit int theaters. It was a bad call

That's what I'm saying, though. They were waiting for 3D and were hedging their bets on it. There must have been some sort of upside to the prospect that hinged on it being a success here. Overambitious? Probably....looking at it now, that is.

[Kahran Ramsus]

Here's my theory:


1. People didn't like the trailers. They started to like them even less when they had to see them every single time they turned on their TV.
2. Critics reamed the movie.
3. Green Lantern is not an A-list property. Few comic book characters really are. Only Spider-Man and Batman have reached the upper echelon of box office glory (Over 800 Million worldwide) and that was based on popularity, reviews, and general awareness.

I think the timing hurt it as well. This is the third superhero film released in 6 weeks. Regardless of quality, it probably would have done at least a little better if it was first out of the gate instead.

No question though in my mind, the big killer was the lousy reviews and word of mouth. The Saturday gross shouldn't have dropped the way it did.

[The Morningstar]

So now with Deadpool: If GL was a huge success a Deadpool film wouldn't be much of a possibility. Not that I was pulling for this to fail, but I always wanted one regardless of how this did. Could he still do it?

After this disaster he probably can't wait to do Deadpool. And i don't see why he can't do it. Deadpool will probably be made for like, 50 million dollars, be rated R and aim at being a cult film, not a blockbuster.

[KalMart]

Theatrical Release 101: You ALWAYS want to release your movie in as many venues as possible on the same day. That will guarantee the largest possible box office performance. Anything else increses the likelihood of failure by adding unknown variables (reviews, word of mouth, competition, etc)

Right...so again, what was the upside that they saw/gambled on in staggering the releases (JUST the 3D screens?), or were they somehow forced to take the dates they could get? I can't see this as being an arbitrary decision made with the flip of a coin or the like. Maybe they put too much stock in 3D bolstering the movie's take...be it good or bad.

[Rock Sexton]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3190&p=.htm

I don't want to hear anymore comparisons to Thor or Hulk .... this film is an utter box office failure.

[jmc]

That's what I'm saying...was it too risky for them to have enough confidence in
GL to make this a good plan? And do you think they were able to recognize how good/successful (or not) Gl would be in time to change those release dates?


It's no more or less a risky leap of faith than sinking hundreds of millions of dollars in any film.

You get more bang for your buck worldwide opening weekend because word of mouth doesn't spread as quickly, this is all about 3D screen availability Kal, WB had a date for GL in Nth America where there are plenty of 3D screens available but didn't suit other parts of the world because there isn't the same number of 3D screens available. This wasn't about confidence in the film, it was about milking 3D revenue.

[Poni_Boy]

Right...so again, what was the upside that they saw/gambled on in staggering the releases (JUST the 3D screens?), or were they somehow forced to take the dates they could get? I can't see this as being an arbitrary decision made with the flip of a coin or the like.

They thought 3D alone would make the movie profitable. Boy were they wrong. Forget Thor (which was 3D as well but opened in a softer month on fewer screens), X-Men: First Class was not in 3D, opened in less screens and had little to no merchandise tie-ins. What does that tell you about a $125 mil marketing strategy?

[Poni_Boy]

I don't want to hear anymore comparisons to Thor or Hulk .... this film is an utter box office failure.

Circle gets the square

[KalMart]

You get more bang for your buck worldwide opening weekend because word of mouth doesn't spread as quickly, this is all about 3D screen availability Kal, WB had a date for GL in Nth America were there are plenty of 3D screens available but didn't suit other parts of the world because there isn't the same number of 3D screen available. This wasn't about confidence in the film, it was about milking 3D revenue.
And that's what I was asking....do you think they overestimated/depended on 3D sales' impact on the gross...regardless of the movie being good or bad? Or would that have somehow worked out if the film was really successful? If it's really that obvious that 3D wouldn't make up for the time lost in theaters, even if this was a great/uber-successful launch, then heck yeah...someone lost their head over there. I'm just thinking if it's that obvious a no-win, someone must have seen a possible upside somewhere.

[KalMart]

They thought 3D alone would make the movie profitable. Boy were they wrong.
Then yeah...that was pretty stupid...unless someone was convinced they had another Avatar on their hands.


Forget Thor (which was 3D as well but opened in a softer month on fewer screens), X-Men: First Class was not in 3D, opened in less screens and had little to no merchandise tie-ins. What does that tell you about a $125 mil marketing strategy?
It says that they were either pretty high, or pretty desperate with what they were working with.


Or both.

[The Morningstar]

I just can't understand how WB were so dumb. Were they expecting the next Avatar here or something?

It's like, I can't actually comprehend how utterly disastrous this whole thing is. It's kinda just sinking in now... we've officially got one of the biggest, most high profile flops ever on our hands right here.

[KalMart]

I just can't understand how WB were so dumb. Were they expecting the next Avatar here or something?.

Maybe it was for the same reasons why they pushed the 'space opera' aspect so much in advertising.....they knew what kind of movie they had on their hands and were hoping that the eye-candy would save its bacon?

[jmc]

And that's what I was asking....do you think they overestimated/depended on 3D sales' impact on the gross...regardless of the movie being good or bad? Or would that have somehow worked out if the film was really successful? If it's really that obvious that 3D wouldn't make up for the time lost in theaters, even if this was a great/uber-successful launch, then heck yeah...someone lost their head over there. I'm just thinking if it's that obvious a no-win, someone must have seen a possible upside somewhere.

I think they thought 3D would save the movie regardless. They were flat arse wrong.

[Gamma Burst]

So, it flopped at the box office... I'm not surprised.

[S.A.A.D.]

I love how people are sweeping the fact under the rug, the fact that the movie has only been out for two days or three days. :whatever:

Two or three days doesn't equal three months let alone two months.

[JP]

I love how people are sweeping the fact under the rug, the fact that the movie has only been out for two days or three days. :whatever:

Two or three days doesn't equal three months let alone two months.
It's not going to have amazing legs.

[The Morningstar]

I love how people are sweeping the fact under the rug, the fact that the movie has only been out for two days or three days. :whatever:

Two or three days doesn't equal three months let alone two months.

This movie won't be in the cinemas for two months.

Unless there is a literal miracle, this movie is one of the biggest flops ever.

Unless it actually has a bigger weekend next week, this movie is doomed.

Cars 2 is gonna damage it. Transformers 3 will wipe it off the Earth. Which is ironic, because i'm sure Transformers 3 will be a crap movie that deserves to flop too.

[Rock Sexton]

I love how people are sweeping the fact under the rug, the fact that the movie has only been out for two days or three days. :whatever:

Two or three days doesn't equal three months let alone two months.

What do you expect to happen with some of the worst word of mouth in history and Transformers DOTM on deck in 10 days?

Put a fork in her.

[akfj]

I don't want to hear anymore comparisons to Thor or Hulk .... this film is an utter box office failure.

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[Tony Stark]

There was an ariticle I read a few days ago, that 3D has basically run it's course.

But the tepid response to 3D is hardly an excuse for this cinematic turd. When you make a movie that's worse than Fantastic Four, the audience is going to react negatively.

The funny thing is, by enforcing the review embargo so late, Warner may have actually salvaged a few million for this film. Had the reviews been out a week in advance, I doubt the film would have broke 50M.

[Rock Sexton]

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LOL. Can somebody edit that with Reynold's Hal Jordan riding the bomb?

[Chewy]

What do you expect to happen with some of the worst word of mouth in history and Transformers DOTM on deck in 10 days?

Put a fork in her.Easy with the hyperbole, there

Even dreck like Fantastic Four 2 and Ghost Rider didn't have "some of the worst word of mouth in history"

Although I agree with the general point of your post. It can't survive Cars and Transformers, not to mention the staggered international release dates

[Marvin]

This movie won't be in the cinemas for two months.

Unless there is a literal miracle, this movie is one of the biggest flops ever.

Unless it actually has a bigger weekend next week, this movie is doomed.

Cars 2 is gonna damage it. Transformers 3 will wipe it off the Earth. Which is ironic, because i'm sure Transformers 3 will be a crap movie that deserves to flop too.

you must be so conflicted with feelings right now.:whatever:

[FreeRadical]

Just read that Green Lantern made only £717,000 this weekend over here in the UK.

Stick a fork in it, this film is done.

Only a miracle can save Green Lantern.....

[Rock Sexton]

Easy with the hyperbole, there

Even dreck like Fantastic Four 2 and Ghost Rider didn't have "some of the worst word of mouth in history"

Although I agree with the general point of your post. It can't survive Cars and Transformers, not to mention the staggered international release dates

What else should I call the WOM then?

[Chewy]

What else should I call the WOM then?
Not good. :cwink:

[Episode29]

When a summer blockbuster drops 20% from opening Friday to Saturday it's done.

[Rock Sexton]

Not good. :cwink:

It's more than not good though. Honestly, in my 32 years on this planet I've rarely seen this kind of critic/GA backlash and negative buzz. Perhaps that's how I should've described it.

[EliteF50]

I love how people are sweeping the fact under the rug, the fact that the movie has only been out for two days or three days. :whatever:

Two or three days doesn't equal three months let alone two months.

Not to mention that it hasn't even released in the rest of the world yet.

[Rock Sexton]

Not to mention that it hasn't even released in the rest of the world yet.

The reviews have though .... and so have the results from here in the states. It's not like it's a universally themed property.

[Chewy]

Not to mention that it hasn't even released in the rest of the world yet.
It made half of what Thor and X-Men opened to in the UK; it made a fifth of what Thor and X-Men opened to in South Korea. These can't be viewed as anything but alarming signs.

[Sith Scotti]

It's not going to have amazing legs.

Of course its not going to have amazing legs . Xmen First Classs - supposedly another beloved marvel film dropped nearly 60 percent in week 2 ..... If GL does that we see that as sign of the end of dc films... But its ok for Xmen to have bad legs because it s not made by wb

[The Morningstar]

Where else is it left to open anyway? Can't be massive markets?

[Poni_Boy]

Not to mention that it hasn't even released in the rest of the world yet.

Show me a film that's profit increased exponentially over a period of 8 weeks (the standard theatrical release profit area) and I'll admit that GL has a chance in hell to make it's money back

[jmc]

Not to mention that it hasn't even released in the rest of the world yet.

Oh come on, you think the rest of the fans around the world haven't already seen the reaction to this movie? This isn't 1989, it's 2011, word spreads in minuets these days, globally.

[Blackman]

So Ive been out of the loop for some hours...I know GL made 52 mill. Is that good?

[jmc]

Where else is it left to open anyway? Can't be massive markets?

There's plenty, most of Europe, Australia, Sth America, Asia.

[jmc]

So Ive been out of the loop for some hours...I know GL made 52 mill. Is that good?

Relative to the $200 million budget and $150 million marketing. Nope.

[Chewy]

Of course its not going to have amazing legs . Xmen First Classs - supposedly another beloved marvel film dropped nearly 60 percent in week 2 ..... If GL does that we see that as sign of the end of dc films... But its ok for Xmen to have bad legs because it s not made by wb
X-Men dropped 55% in week 2, not 60%

[Chewy]

Where else is it left to open anyway? Can't be massive markets?
Almost every major market except for the UK and Russia.

[The Morningstar]

Of course its not going to have amazing legs . Xmen First Classs - supposedly another beloved marvel film dropped nearly 60 percent in week 2 ..... If GL does that we see that as sign of the end of dc films... But its ok for Xmen to have bad legs because it s not made by wb

:dry:

No one is making excuses for First Class. It is a box office disappointment, no doubt.

But, Green Lantern is just on a whole new level. It had the benefit of 3D screens, First Class didn't. It had the benefit of one of, if not THE biggest marketing blitz ever. It had the benefit of a production budget that dwarfed First Class.

Fact is, Green Lantern needed to do gangbusters, it needed to do Iron Man numbers, minimum. It won't. It might not even make HALF of what Iron Man did. So it's failure is more shocking and down right embrassing than First Class.

[Raiden]

Of course its not going to have amazing legs . Xmen First Classs - supposedly another beloved marvel film dropped nearly 60 percent in week 2 ..... If GL does that we see that as sign of the end of dc films... But its ok for Xmen to have bad legs because it s not made by wb

If FC crashed & burned, there'll may be a greater chance for Marvel to get the X-Men rights back, so to me it's a win-win situation. Of course, the reality is that Marvel will never get the rights back because Fox won't ever give them up.

[jmc]

The only way Marvel gets Xmen back is if big papa Disney writes Fox a big fat payout cheque.

[Blackman]

Relative to the $200 million budget and $150 million marketing. Nope.

So...the hopes of non Bats/Supes movies are shattered?

[Chewy]

If FC crashed & burned, there'll may be a greater chance for Marvel to get the X-Men rights back, so to me it's a win-win situation. Of course, the reality is that Marvel will never get the rights back because Fox won't ever give them up.
Marvel will never get the X-Men rights back. Or the Spider-Man rights.

They should buy the Fantastic Four rights back, asap, though. I want to see Doom in an Avengers movie :argh:

[JP]

Of course its not going to have amazing legs . Xmen First Classs - supposedly another beloved marvel film dropped nearly 60 percent in week 2 ..... If GL does that we see that as sign of the end of dc films... But its ok for Xmen to have bad legs because it s not made by wb

It has nothing to do with WB/Fox/DC/Marvel. If you're going to compare 2 films you have to properly compare them.

Green Lantern had a massive marketing push. First Class didn't. Green Lantern is in 3D, First Class isn't.

Looking at the reported budgets from the studios, Green Lantern cost $200 million, First Class cost $135 million.

You really can't just say "well, this did this, and that did that, they're the same!". There are many many different things that have to be considered.

[Chewy]

So...the hopes of non Bats/Supes movies are shattered?I think they'll still make a Flash movie, but that's about it.

[dario2739]

:dry:

No one is making excuses for First Class. It is a box office disappointment, no doubt.

But, Green Lantern is just on a whole new level. It had the benefit of 3D screens, First Class didn't. It had the benefit of one of, if not THE biggest marketing blitz ever. It had the benefit of a production budget that dwarfed First Class.

Fact is, Green Lantern needed to do gangbusters, it needed to do Iron Man numbers, minimum. It won't. It might not even make HALF of what Iron Man did. So it's failure is more shocking and down right embrassing than First Class.

Speaking as a UK resident - I disagree... GL hasn't had a massive marketing campaign compared to First Class... both were equally promoted over here i'd say!
I had hoped for better figures for GL though, because the film is actually pretty damn good!

[EML420]

The only way Marvel gets Xmen back is if big papa Disney writes Fox a big fat payout cheque.
Theres no stopping the Disney machine Mickey Mouse gets what Mickey Mouse wants.

[jmc]

So...the hopes of non Bats/Supes movies are shattered?

At best put on hold for the foreseeable future.

[akfj]

So...the hopes of non Bats/Supes movies are shattered?

Not necessarily, but if WB attempts another non-Superman and non-Batman DC movie they will have to be much smarter creatively and a lot more careful economically.

[The Morningstar]

So...the hopes of non Bats/Supes movies are shattered?

Pretty much. They might push ahead with Flash, but i really, really doubt it. :csad:

Marvel will never get the X-Men rights back. Or the Spider-Man rights.

They should buy the Fantastic Four rights back, asap, though. I want to see Doom in an Avengers movie :argh:

YES! I couldn't care less about X-Men or Spidey. I want to see the F4 as part of the Marvel movieverse.

Imagine Stark flying over to the Baxter building to have a chat with Reed about quantum physics and parralell dimensions? And like you say... DOOM! :awesome:

[JP]

Theres no stopping the Disney machine Mickey Mouse gets what Mickey Mouse wants.
And I can tell you Mickey Mouse doesn't care about X-Men. At least not at the moment, and probably not for a long time.

[Raiden]

Theres no stopping the Disney machine Mickey Mouse gets what Mickey Mouse wants.

Unfortunately, Disney's lawyers took a good look at the agreement between Marvel and Fox, but it is too ironclad and downright impossible to get the rights back unless Fox is willing to sell them back to Marvel, which they won't.

[The Morningstar]

Isn't there a clause in the contract where if Fox keep making toxic movies, Disney can get them back due to damage to the comic brand that Disney owns or something like that?

[Raiden]

Isn't there a clause in the contract where if Fox keep making toxic movies, Disney can get them back due to damage to the comic brand that Disney owns or something like that?

If they did, Marvel should've gotten X-Men back after X3 and Wolverine. :o

[Blackman]

I think they'll still make a Flash movie, but that's about it.

At best put on hold for the foreseeable future.


Pretty much. They might push ahead with Flash, but i really, really doubt it. :csad:

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[EML420]

Unfortunately, Disney's lawyers took a good look at the agreement between Marvel and Fox, but it is too ironclad and downright impossible to get the rights back unless Fox is willing to sell them back to Marvel, which they won't.
Wait really I was going to ask about that but Disney is Disney a Billion dollar company with what I imagine a army. Of lawyers who are top notch who was the middle man for this deal lol sounds like the Godfather and Johny Fontaine.

[Boom]

My brother is going to be pissed if this kills any chance at a Flash film.

[The Morningstar]

If they did, Marvel should've gotten X-Men back after X3 and Wolverine. :o

Disney didn't own Marvel then though did it?

Maybe it is true, and that's why Fox have pulled their thumb out of their ass.

[The Morningstar]

My brother is going to be pissed if this kills any chance at a Flash film.

I'm pissed about it. I wanted a Flash and Captain Marvel film more than another Superman film.

[Poni_Boy]

Disney didn't own Marvel then though did it?

Maybe it is true, and that's why Fox have pulled their thumb out of their ass.

Bingo. Disney would never cut Fox a hella huge paycheck for Marvel characters. That's not Disney's MO. They let their subsidiary studios sink or swim on their own financially, but what they DO bring to the table is their world class legal team.

Fox knows full well that if Disney's lawyers scrutinized the hell out of their Marvel charcter contracts they would find plenty of loop holes. Hence their rush to get the X-Men, Daredevil, and FF films rebooted and well received

[EML420]

Bingo. Disney would never cut Fox a hella huge paycheck for Marvel characters. That's not Disney's MO. They let their subsidiary studios sink or swim on their own financially, but what they DO bring to the table is their world class legal team.

Fox knows full well that if Disney's lawyers scrutinized the hell out of their Marvel charcter contracts they would find plenty of loop holes. Hence their rush to get the X-Men, Daredevil, and FF films rebooted and well received
But how would Disney define a movie has "bad" I mean that sounds like way to slippery of a loope hole for Fox.

[Sith Scotti]

X-Men dropped 55% in week 2, not 60%

Actually 56 percent so if Green Lantern drops the same percentage its going to be considered bad wom but X Men First Class was amazing wom:doh:


Budgets and hype have nothing to do with 2nd week drop off . Thor only dropped 34 percent . X Men 56 Percent so THor has better wom . Now lets see what Lantern does . Im expecting a big drop off next week but if has less of a drop off than X Men than we agree it was better liked than X Men . Budgeting & Marketing aside...

[Raiden]

Bingo. Disney would never cut Fox a hella huge paycheck for Marvel characters. That's not Disney's MO. They let their subsidiary studios sink or swim on their own financially, but what they DO bring to the table is their world class legal team.

Fox knows full well that if Disney's lawyers scrutinized the hell out of their Marvel charcter contracts they would find plenty of loop holes. Hence their rush to get the X-Men, Daredevil, and FF films rebooted and well received

If what you said is true, then we might be treated to better Marvel movies from Fox in the future.

[Chewy]

Actually 56 percent so if Green Lantern drops the same percentage its going to be considered bad wom but X Men First Class was amazing wom:doh:


Budgets and hype have nothing to do with 2nd week drop off . Thor only dropped 34 percent . X Men 56 Percent so THor has better wom . Now lets see what Lantern does . Im expecting a big drop off next week but if has less of a drop off than X Men than we agree it was better liked than X Men . Budgeting & Marketing aside...

Thor dropped 47%

Are you pulling these numbers out of a hat?

[The Morningstar]

I imagine both a critical and financial failure. Toxic, in other words.

Disney own the comics now, I don't think they'd be too happen if Fox or Sony started putting out toxic movies featuring character Disney own. Because it could have a knock on effect with the comics themselves.

Fox and Sony know this, and i imagine they know that Disney could get those rights back if push came to shove. So I think we'll be seeing some better quality movies, to keep the big house of mouse happy.

[Poni_Boy]

But how would Disney define a movie has "bad" I mean that sounds like way to slippery of a loope hole for Fox.


Ed Zachery! When speaking in regards to legal loopholes, EVERYTHING is objective. It's up to the lawyers to define those terms. It's a pretty scary situation for Fox/Sony, especially considering Disney has the best legal team in the entertainment industry.

[FreeRadical]

If what you said is true, then we might be treated to better Marvel movies from Fox in the future.

It's kind of already started with First Class. Hope Daredevil and the Fantastic Four reboots are good.

[Sith Scotti]

Thor dropped 47%

Are you pulling these numbers out of a hat?

I stand corrected It made about 34 million I mixed money and percentage still far better wom than X Men

I am really hoping Lantern has a smaller drop off than Xmen

[Raiden]

Ed Zachery! When speaking in regards to legal loopholes, EVERYTHING is objective. It's up to the lawyers to define those terms. It's a pretty scary situation for Fox/Sony, especially considering Disney has the best legal team in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, Disney's lawyers were able to convince the High Courts to grant exemplary status for Disney characters, and not allowed them to become public domain after a fixed number of years (from what I've read). Neither Sony nor Fox would want to challenge Disney in the court if they can help it.

[Chewy]

I stand corrected It made about 34 million I mixed money and percentage still far better wom than X Men

I am really hoping Lantern has a smaller drop off than XmenBut why would it?

Thor faced two 20M openers on its second weekend. X-Men faced one 30M opener on its second weekend. GL faces a probable 70M+ opener.

[EML420]

Yeah, Disney's lawyers were able to convince the High Courts to grant exemplary status for Disney characters, and not allowed them to become public domain after a fixed number of years (from what I've read). Neither Sony nor Fox would want to challenge Disney in the court if they can help it.
Oh my God thats amazing no sarcasm or anything that blows me away.
But back on topic seems like the bad reviews are preparing people for a terrible film and thats the mind set they go in with. But when they see it they realize its not has bad has the critics made it out to be so in a sense. I feel like if this film got great reviews people would be saying its not that great but the bad reviews make the movie seem better.

[Silver Surfer]

Green Lantern's estimated attendance was even lower than Daredevil and Ghost Rider.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3190&p=.htm
WOW. A movie with a 200 mil budget and a 150 mil campaign drew less attendance than freakin' Ghost Rider, GHOST RIDER!!

GL is the biggest train wreck in comic book movie history, more than even Batman & Robin, at least that movie was able to make more than it's price tag.

[Cain]

I'm pissed about it.

So am I. I feel the same about Wonder Woman and Aquaman as well.

I will say this though. While I enjoyed GL for what it was. There was just too much wasted potential in it. So that shows me they're not even putting the right care into really mining the creative potential of these properties. Which ironically would make them more bank in return as Nolan proved. They did the same thing with the Hex movie and now this.

I rather they stop making DC adaptations altogether than watch the cinematic potential of these great characters not be exploited in a disappointing film. Besides Greg Berlanti who was a major creative player here was going to spearhead the Flash movie in terms of script. I rather that guy not write anything at all when it comes to these movies.

[S.A.A.D.]

The guy (Brandon Gray) who wrote that has had it out for Green Lantern even before it was released so don't take what he said about the attendance record at face value. People still do attempt to push their agenda after all, even if it's a bad agenda. :o

He also has nothing to make use of so he can verify that it had a lower attendance record than Ghost Rider and Daredevil. If he can't prove it then he should "shut it".

[JP]

Erm, Box office Mojo is a professional and reliable website. Wow.

[Silver Surfer]

All entertainment websites, like ew, ign, rt quote Boxoffice Mojo as the medium for Box Office numbers. It is accurate, no matter how much you would like it not to be.

[KRIM]

So am I. I feel the same about Wonder Woman and Aquaman as well.

I will say this though. While I enjoyed GL for what it was. There was just too much wasted potential in it. So that shows me they're not even putting the right care into really mining the creative potential of these properties. Which ironically would make them more bank in return as Nolan proved. They did the same thing with the Hex movie and now this.

I rather they stop making DC adaptations altogether than watch the cinematic potential of these great characters not be exploited in a disappointing film.
I disagree. On paper, the production was relatively in safe hands. They had an award-winning crew, a proven director of character refreshes, and marketable young leads. They brought in Geoff Johns, a GL alumni to oversee the project. If things were so bad, most of us would have called them out on it way before the reviews started pouring in. The truth is, WB tried to put out a winning combo based on track records, but it backfired on them. The only thing they can really provide is money, and this crew had boatloads of it to handle. GL is easily the most marketed film of the year so far, so as a studio WB did their part.

It was the crew that failed us.

[S.A.A.D.]

Daredevil made $40 million on opening weekend while Ghost Rider made $45 million on opening weekend.

[Chewy]

Daredevil made $40 million on opening weekend while Ghost Rider made $45 million on opening weekend.Ticket price inflation + 3D ticket prices

[Poni_Boy]

All entertainment websites, like ew, ign, rt quote Boxoffice Mojo as the medium for Box Office numbers. It is accurate, no matter how much you would like it not to be.

Yeah, BOM set the status quo for reliable numbers. Unless you're getting your figures from the studios directly, you quote them. Not Deadline, not The Hollywood Reporter (who do push their own agendas subtly)

[Silver Surfer]

Daredevil made $40 million on opening weekend while Ghost Rider made $45 million on opening weekend.
Yes and they did it without 3d ticket prices. 45% of GLs ticket sales were from 3d, that's why it made more money than GR and DD in spite of less attendance.

[Tony Stark]

Brandon Gray has said plenty of negative things about Thor and Iron Man 2. They are pretty objective, and more than fair, even if I don't agree with everything they write.

But pretty much Steve Wonder can see that this is a monumental failure of a franchise start, no matter what the spin.

[The Morningstar]

I disagree. On paper, the production was relatively in safe hands. They had an award-winning crew, a proven director of character refreshes, and marketable young leads. They brought in Geoff Johns, a GL alumni to oversee the project. If things were so bad, most of us would have called them out on it way before the reviews started pouring in. The truth is, WB tried to put out a winning combo based on track records, but it backfired on them. The only thing they can really provide is money, and this crew had boatloads of it to handle. GL is easily the most marketed film of the year so far, so as a studio WB did their part.

It was the crew that failed us.

No, it was the no name TV writers that failed us.

The script is the key. If you have a ****** script it wouldn't matter if you had Coppola directing.

[Cain]

I disagree. On paper, the production was relatively in safe hands. They had an award-winning crew, a proven director of character refreshes, and marketable young leads. They brought in Geoff Johns, a GL alumni to oversee the project. If things were so bad, most of us would have called them out on it way before the reviews started pouring in. The truth is, WB tried to put out a winning combo based on track records, but it backfired on them. The only thing they can really provide is money, and this crew had boatloads of it to handle. GL is easily the most marketed film of the year so far, so as a studio WB did their part.

It was the crew that failed us.


Geoff Johns was barely involved. When he got on board this production was already a ways in. I don't champion his involvement much anyway cause though I read his GL book I don't agree with a lot of what he did with the mythos. I just give him props on making it such a best selling book. To the point that even Marvel fans look at that ONE DC book every month.

He took a charming and smart character from the silver and bronze ages; who was born fearless; then had a great heartbreaking but realistic fall turned him into a fearful insecure tool once he didn't write him as Spectre anymore.

All his retcons are a reason I have issues with him. It's what makes me laugh about people that **** on the Hal in this movie though. It's for all intents an purposes very much in line with the silver age version of the guy. Before Johns made him boring to read decades later this iteration did exist. People just brush that off. But I digress.

My point is the studio hires the crew (directors, writers, cinematographers etc.) at the end of the day. It's their job and the producers jobs to find the right talent and pair it with the material. In this case WB is both the production company and the studio. There is no reason a movie like Thor with a concept as outlandish or even moreso than this one got a more graceful adaptation. Marvel went out of their way to give the material to someone who cared. WB did not. So this does fall on them.

Mind you I do think for the record Campbell did a good job directing because if he didn't his cast wouldn't have been able to make the best of the beyond shoddy script they were working from. However that still doesn't excuse the fact that while talented he just wasn't the man for this movie. He didn't really have the passion for it. Even Burton at the end of the day made a Batman that he put his complete heart into & we all know he wasn't the biggest comic book fan. You saw his passion for it in the finished product. You don't see that in GL. It feels like a hired gun picture all the way.

[The Morningstar]

Yea. Marvel had Branaugh, Shakespeare expert, do Thor.

WB had Martin Campbell, who is a great director no doubt, do GL. A movie he is just totally wrong for.

Ironically Campbell would be better suited to Flash or something.

There just didn't actually seem to be much thought put into this movie. It was "Hey cast Reynolds he's hot right now!" and "Hey cast Martin Campbell he made the awesome Casino Royale!" without actually putting any real thought into the choices.

[Blackman]

Campbell wouldve been better suited for Green Arrow I think.

[The Morningstar]

Good shout. Really good shout. He would've.

[S.A.A.D.]

Ticket price inflation + 3D ticket prices

Sure, if you want to take those two things into account.

[The Morningstar]

Sure, if you want to take those two things into account.

And why wouldn't you? :huh:

You really are something else feller.

[FreeRadical]

Geoff Johns was barely involved. When he got on board this production was already a ways in. I don't champion his involvement much anyway cause though I read his GL book I don't agree with a lot of what he did with the mythos. I just give him props on making it such a best selling book. To the point that even Marvel fans look at that ONE DC book every month.

He took a charming and smart character from the silver and bronze ages; who was born fearless; then had a great heartbreaking but realistic fall turned him into a fearful insecure tool once he didn't write him as Spectre anymore.

All his retcons are a reason I have issues with him. It's what makes me laugh about people that **** on the Hal in this movie though. It's for all intents an purposes very much in line with the silver age version of the guy. Before Johns made him boring to read decades later this iteration did exist. People just brush that off. But I digress.

My point is the studio hires the crew (directors, writers, cinematographers etc.) at the end of the day. It's their job and the producers jobs to find the right talent and pair it with the material. In this case WB is both the production company and the studio. There is no reason a movie like Thor with a concept as outlandish or even moreso than this one got a more graceful adaptation. Marvel went out of their way to give the material to someone who cared. WB did not. So this does fall on them.

Mind you I do think for the record Campbell did a good job directing because if he didn't his cast wouldn't have been able to make the best of the beyond shoddy script they were working from. However that still doesn't excuse the fact that while talented he just wasn't the man for this movie. He didn't really have the passion for it. Even Burton at the end of the day made a Batman that he put his complete heart into & we all know he wasn't the biggest comic book fan. You saw his passion for it in the finished product. You don't see that in GL. It feels like a hired gun picture all the way.

Geoff Johns was fully involved from the start

http://www.fastcompany.com/1760583/the-green-lantern-guru

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/green-lantern-makes-3-35m-midnights/

[JP]

Sure, if you want to take those two things into account.
When talking about ATTENDANCE, yes. :dry:

[Silver Surfer]

He seems to be doing everything possible to try to convince him self that GL didn't sell less tickets than GR or DD.

[The Morningstar]

The worst kind of liar is one who lies to himself. True story.

[Karelia]

He seems to be doing everything possible to try to convince him self that GL didn't sell less tickets than GR or DD.

I don't blame him. I don't want to believe that either. :dry::csad:

[Blackman]

None of us want to believe it laddie

[The Morningstar]

In all honesty though, you have to figure in the fact that Affleck was huge when Daredevil came out. You could even say Farrell was pretty big as well. And Ghost Rider had Nic Cage and Eva Mendes.

Reynolds isn't on their levels. No one in GL is, in terms of fame.

[Saitou Hajime]

Yes and they did it without 3d ticket prices.

IIRC, DD also had to contend with a massive snowstorm mucking its business.

[S.A.A.D.]

I don't blame him. I don't want to believe that either. :dry::csad:

I wasn't 'trying' to convinced myself, I just think that there are people who hate the movie to the point where they would act desperate in an attempt to make the movie seem as bad as it is. Even if it means spreading one lie or more.

[Blackman]

And I think theyre people who like the movie so much and try make the movie more successful then it actually was

[The Morningstar]

I wasn't 'trying' to convinced myself, I just think that there are people who hate the movie to the point where they would act desperate in an attempt to make the movie seem as bad as it is. Even if it means spreading one lie or more.

No, we're just talking straight up facts right here. No opinions involved.

Green Lantern sold less tickets than DD and Ghost Rider.

[EML420]

Men lie women lie numbers dont.

[I Am The Knight]

Disappointing numbers for sure. I was hoping it would be able to open to $60+ million.

[Spider-Fan]

Daredevil made $40 million on opening weekend while Ghost Rider made $45 million on opening weekend.

Like people have said, that factors in inflation and 3D. Also, GL had a much larger production cost than either of those films did.

[Sith Scotti]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

[EML420]

When I heard Chris was cast has cap I was worried because Chris like Ryan Reynolds seem to play themselvs in movies. The cocky womanizer type I mean in a lot of ways has actors there not that different but I feel like Cap will be good I always have faith. I dont judge the movie tell I see it.

[Silver Surfer]

Well cap is coming a week after Harry Potter so you might get your wish.

[Spider-Fan]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

Problem with eye for an eye is everyone comes out blind. No one should wish ill of ANY comic adaptation of fan base. It is useless. We're a community, and we all love these characters. Maybe not the same ones, but we love the medium. We should be united in wishing it success.

[The Sage]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

That's a bad attitude to have. Regardless of how the fans act, a comic book movie is a comic book movie and fans should hope for the best, no matter which company it's coming from.

[The Sage]

Hehe, we said the same thing. :funny:

[akfj]

Problem with eye for an eye is everyone comes out blind. No one should wish ill of ANY comic adaptation of fan base. It is useless. We're a community, and we all love these characters. Maybe not the same ones, but we love the medium. We should be united in wishing it success.

It may be a good time for DC and Marvel fans to take a deep breath and take a walk outside. Unless you're on the East Coast, then you should go to bed.

[Spider-Fan]

Hehe, we said the same thing. :funny:

Great minds think a like GL mod :cwink:

It may be a good time for DC and Marvel fans to take a deep breath and take a walk outside.

I think it is. The fighting between the groups is stupid.

[EML420]

I cant even tell which members on hype are Marvel fans or DC but Ive mainly been posting here latley but still. I like both DC and Marvel the movie seems to be just getting what people think.

[HighFivingMF]

When I heard Chris was cast has cap I was worried because Chris like Ryan Reynolds seem to play themselvs in movies. The cocky womanizer type

How do you know Ryan and Chris are cocky womanizers? I don't know Chris's romantic situation, but Ryan was married for quite a while.

[Chewy]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fanslol

[Doctor Jones]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

What a horrible mentality you have. I hate the eye for an eye philosophy. You look like as big as a douche as they do when you wish that.

I have seen no bragging from any Marvel fans so far. Unless you have and I haven't. Just a crappy movie that people are voicing their opinions on.

It's a great thing when all CBM's do well. It's good for all of us. Bickering over it with other idiots gets you nowhere and ill wishing of "the other side" is childish and makes you no better than them.

[Doc Phosphorus]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

Well, that part of you is pathetic.

[EML420]

How do you know Ryan and Chris are cocky womanizers? I don't know Chris's romantic situation, but Ryan was married for quite a while.
I guess playing themselvs is probaly not what I should have said but they seem to be type cast in that role thats for sure.

[JP]

I love how anyone who says this film disappointed it labeled a marvel fan.

If Captain America ends up being an AWFUL then it deserves to bomb just like GL has. For me it's all about quality.

[Chewy]

I love how anyone who says this film disappointed it labeled a marvel fan.

If Captain America ends up being an AWFUL then it deserves to bomb just like GL has. For me it's all about quality.
I think most people posting here are Marvel fans.

I think most people posting here are also DC fans.

It's supremely silly when people try to take an "us vs them" stance around here, as us and them are generally the same individuals.

[I Am The Knight]

I haven't seen much Marvel bragging honestly. Just people spewing vitriol directed at the movie, lol.

[Poni_Boy]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

And that is why I have avoided messagebaords like the plague. That's like wishing your friend doesn't get his dream job because you got passed up for yours. Will this crap never end? It was bad enough hearing all the Marvel bashing over The Dark Knight, will Green Lantern fans be the next ones to raise the bar on childishness? I really hope not

Captain America and Green Lantern are my two favorite comic book characters, I wouldn't wish ill will to either. One tanked this year, if the other does I'll truly be heartbroken.

[HighFivingMF]

I haven't seen much Marvel bragging honestly.

CBM. Don't go there.

[Karelia]

CBM. Don't go there.

Yeah, that site has some of the worst Comic book fans I've ever seen. :dry:

[S.A.A.D.]

I hope that The First Avenger: Captain America doesn't become another victim. If it flops I can see DC Comics fans going into that section around this place so they can get revenge by starting a war.

[Marvin]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

lol, Geoff Johns is that you?
after what Millar said I understand lol.

actually I have a feeling Sith is just saying what a lot of people are thinking,

[HighFivingMF]

Captain America and Green Lantern are my two favorite comic book characters, I wouldn't wish ill will to either. One tanked this year, if the other does I'll truly be heartbroken.

That's how I feel. Except I genuinely liked the movie and that makes the disappointing box office feel that much worse. I guess I'm lucky two of the other heroes in my top 5 are Superman and Batman, but I'm also unlucky because Barry Allen is the other.

[The Riddler]

i never got the marvel versus dc fanboyism.

i mean, does that mean if you like batman you can't like spider-man? if you like x-men, you'd want superman to fail? if you are a green lantern fan, you shouldn't enjoy iron man? i'm confused. i don't even see brands when i see these characters.

[Poni_Boy]

CBM. Don't go there.

Let's be fair. If you get hit in the face by poo flinging monkeys at the zoo, would you blame the zoo or yourself for standing there watching them fight?

[danoyse]

It may be a good time for DC and Marvel fans to take a deep breath and take a walk outside. Unless you're on the East Coast, then you should go to bed.

But The Killing is on. :oldrazz:

I agree, though...let's not let this thread dissolve into a Marvel/DC war.

[Gold Samurai]

I'm wondering if bootleg versions contributed as well

*Someone watches trailer*

Guy-looks like crap

*watches bootleg*

Guy- Whew glad I saved that 8 to 12 dollars.

[The Riddler]

Let's be fair. If you get hit in the face by poo flinging monkeys at the zoo, would you blame the zoo or yourself for standing there watching them fight?

i would blame the poo flinging monkeys.

[I Am The Knight]

CBM. Don't go there.

LOL. I'm sure they are enjoying themselves.

[Doc Phosphorus]

Take up sports if you're concerned with competition.

Marvel and DC need each other to thrive so they can both survive. A failure for one hurts both.

Specifically, it's crucial for this year's CBMs to succeed - Thor, FC, GL, & Cap - because they're all considerably unique to the genre, either period pieces or more "cosmic" style. Their success will be necessary to motivate the studios to keep putting out more exciting, riskier properties.

[FreeRadical]

I will be seeing Captain America but a part of me is starting to hope it flops with all the bragging by marvel fans

:csad:

Come on now, most of us love both Marvel and DC stuff. Most of us who are criticising Green Lantern are doing so because we like the character, and wanted the best introduction for the character, but for many of us and the film going public, we didn't get what we wanted.

If Captain America is a good film, it should do well and be rewarded. If it's bad........release the hounds!

[Poni_Boy]

LOL. I'm sure they are enjoying themselves.

Like the poo flinging monkeys that The Riddler up there blames

[Sabaoth]

why so low?

was it the critics?
did the audience hate it more than other bad films(that have done better)?

a curious case.

...has Johns opened his page back up for commenting?
I want to ask him about kyle rayner


Here's my take.

They screwed up the marketing.

1.The first image they released of Reynolds in the CGI suit was not well received by the fanboys. Instead of sticking to their guns, they immediately changed the way the suit looks. That was a red flag for me. It meant they did not have much confidence in their product.

2. The first trailer sucked. It was underwhelming to say the least. Sure, they released a much improved second trailer but the damage was already done.

3. The director telling news media that he will not be involved in a sequel, weeks before the movie is even released! Yes, I know he does not do sequels, but to the average movie fan, it seems as if he is trying to distance himself from the film.

4. Rotten Tomatoes.
I have to admit, I always check with Rottentomatoes.com before purchasing my movie tickets. Every time I have decided to go against their reviews and see a movie anyway, I get burned and the movie sucks!
So I've learned to use Rottentomatoes.com to help me from throwing my money away on bad movies.
Yes, I thought Transformers 2 was total garbage.


Is this the end of GL in movies?

I don't think so. I think in five or so years, they'll resurrect GL, perhaps in the Justice League flick, but I'm sure they won't use Ryan Reynolds.

I have not seen GL yet. The bad reviews at RT made me pause. (And the person who keeps on texting me that GL was a great movie, is the same dude who thought Transformers 2 was "awesome.")

I may go see it tomorrow. I don't know. We'll see.

[craigdbfan]

52 mil weekend? Ouch, that's terrible for something of this magnitude. Over a year of marketing blitz and constant aggressive marketing and a $200+ budget with a $150 marketing budget. Yeah this is a giant dud no way around it.

X-Men (56 mil) and Thor (65 mil) outdid it's weekends number. This movie won't have legs either. They're going to shatter easier than glass.

Terrible outcome for an otherwise great property. A fumble if I ever saw one.

[Gold Samurai]

Is this the end of GL in movies?

I don't think so. I think in five or so years, they'll resurrect GL, perhaps in the Justice League flick, but I'm sure they won't use Ryan Reynolds.


Best thing about the Green Lantern is its multiple corps members. There's three candidates already.

Kyle Rayner
John Stewart
Guy Gardner

[Karelia]

Best thing about the Green Lantern is its multiple corps members. There's three candidates already.

Kyle Rayner
John Stewart
Guy Gardner

I'd so love to see Kyle Rayner...

:awesome:

[chiefchirpa]

I'd so love to see Kyle Rayner...

:awesome:

I rather see John Stewart. Cast Idris Elba as Stewart, and people see a macho no-nonsense GL.

[KangConquers]

I have mixed feelings about Green Lantern under performing...the film that they put out doesn't deserve to perform well. I thought it was low average, irritating and disappointing.

That said, the Green Lantern Mythos deserves several movies...At least 3, maybe more...just not like this...It's such a wasted opportunity for one of DC's greatest properties, and has caused me to lose faith in DC Entertainment. This was the big one for me.

[Raiden]

I'm a Marvel fan who loves superhero movies if they are good, and hate them if they are terrible. It doesn't matter if they are DC or Marvel movie; TDK is one of my favorites and X3 is one of the movies I despise. Therefore, people who tried to make it look as if all the naysayers of GL are Marvel fans are rather clueless and ignorant.

[craigdbfan]

I'm a Marvel fan who loves superhero movies if they are good, and hate them if they are terrible. It doesn't matter if they are DC or Marvel movie; TDK is one of my favorites and X3 is one of the movies I despise. Therefore, people who tried to make it look as if all the naysayers of GL are Marvel fans are rather clueless and ignorant.

Exactly.

I'm a 90's kid which gave us a period where both DC and Marvel had some of the best animated series based on their popular properties so I have a natural love for both DC and Marvel. Both of them have their greats and their not so greats. GL is one of DC's greats and for it to be treated to such a disaster of a movie is incredibly unfortunate.

[TheVileOne]

Martin Campbell directed the Zorro sequel to his Zorro movie from 1998. So he has done sequels.

[SuperAl]

if theres a sequel i hope someone other than martin campbell directs, maybe the cgi overload was too much for him to take. he hasnt really done anything like this in the past.

[JeetKuneDo]

I don't know why I keep coming back to read this depressing stuff....I guess I keep hoping something will change for the better.

This is a familiar feeling....a character I love who is getting his first movie...only to see a movie that most people hate. Hulk.

Good news is that the Hulk did finally get a decent movie...but it may take a decade or more to fix the initial damage.

My brother is going to be pissed if this kills any chance at a Flash film.
Same here. My favorite DC character.

I disagree. On paper, the production was relatively in safe hands. They had an award-winning crew, a proven director of character refreshes, and marketable young leads. They brought in Geoff Johns, a GL alumni to oversee the project. If things were so bad, most of us would have called them out on it way before the reviews started pouring in. The truth is, WB tried to put out a winning combo based on track records, but it backfired on them. The only thing they can really provide is money, and this crew had boatloads of it to handle. GL is easily the most marketed film of the year so far, so as a studio WB did their part.

It was the crew that failed us.
At a certain point, "the buck stops here". The ineptitude is not confined to this one movie. Without Nolan, WB would be riding a long losing streak and would be a bad joke. (I don't count Watchmen as a failure, but most seem to)

Problem with eye for an eye is everyone comes out blind. No one should wish ill of ANY comic adaptation of fan base. It is useless. We're a community, and we all love these characters. Maybe not the same ones, but we love the medium. We should be united in wishing it success.
Agreed. Bad comic book films hurt everyone. The public doesn't see "DC vs Marvel"...they see "Wow...comic book movies suck! I'm done with this crap!" The positive effect of movies like TDK and Iron Man help both. As Doc said:

Specifically, it's crucial for this year's CBMs to succeed - Thor, FC, GL, & Cap - because they're all considerably unique to the genre, either period pieces or more "cosmic" style. Their success will be necessary to motivate the studios to keep putting out more exciting, riskier properties.
I probably lean to the Marvel side, but my favorite comic book movie of all time is a tie between Watchmen and Kick Ass....so I've got one of each company in my top spot. And I've always loved Green Lantern, Supes, and Flash. (Enough that I watched every episode of Smallville)

[Dreadstar]

SO Green Lantern got mauled at the box office this weekend. :eek:

[Project862006]

gore verbinski probably should of directed he can do the comedy,cgi,drama,epic scale needed for GL

[Episode29]

Martin Campbell directed the Zorro sequel to his Zorro movie from 1998. So he has done sequels.

Yeah, and look how that turned out. He was perhaps wise to change his philosophy...

[Raiden]

if theres a sequel i hope someone other than martin campbell directs, maybe the cgi overload was too much for him to take. he hasnt really done anything like this in the past.

Martin Campbell already said he won't return for a sequel of GL, so if there's going to be GL2 it is safe to say that WB will tap another director to do the job.

[KalMart]

Green Lantern sold less tickets than DD and Ghost Rider.

Seriously? I never would have believed that was possible. Those two movies are awful....GL can't be worse than them. Something must have gone really wacky to explain that.

[Episode29]

Seriously? I never would have believed that was possible. Those two movies are awful....GL can't be worse than them. Something must have gone really wacky to explain that.

Daredevil had the benefit of being the first superhero comic book movie to follow Spider-Man out of the gate. Audiences were eager to replicate the experience.

Ghost Rider had a cool-looking, eye-grabbing lead character. It also had a pretty slick trailer and was released before the point where there were 3 or 4 superhero movies per year.

Both also profited from opening in Februrary, an otherwise fairly quiet month.

[Silver Surfer]

Seriously? I never would have believed that was possible. Those two movies are awful....GL can't be worse than them. Something must have gone really wacky to explain that.

Daredevil's RT score: 45%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daredevil/

Ghost Rider's RT score: 27%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/

Green Lantern's RT score: 25%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/

Fan boys may get up in arms about it but this league is where GL belongs, the box office and critical response is proof.

[Raiden]

Daredevil had the benefit of being the first superhero comic book movie to follow Spider-Man out of the gate. Audiences were eager to replicate the experience.

Ghost Rider had a cool-looking, eye-grabbing lead character. It also had a pretty slick trailer and was released before the point where there were 3 or 4 superhero movies per year.

Both also profited from opening in Februrary, an otherwise fairly quiet month.

I remember reading about how some moviegoers went to see Daredevil, thinking that he is Spider-man. The red costume for DD probably helped to explain the confusion. As for GR, the casting of Nic Cage (who was still a relatively safe box office draw back then) imo contributed to the box office. And yes, the February release date helped alot, as well.

[craigdbfan]

Daredevil's RT score: 45%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daredevil/

Ghost Rider's RT score: 27%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/

Green Lantern's RT score: 25%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/

Fan boys may get up in arms about it but this league is where GL belongs, the box office and critical response is proof.

Laying down the truth. It sucks that it had to happen to GL but it's true.

[Raiden]

Daredevil's RT score: 45%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daredevil/

Ghost Rider's RT score: 27%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/

Green Lantern's RT score: 25%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/green_lantern/

Fan boys may get up in arms about it but this league is where GL belongs, the box office and critical response is proof.

IMO GL as a character is much more recognizable than either DD or GR. Therefore, it is baffling to me that it would take this long for GL to get a movie, and much later than either of these two Marvel superheroes. Then again, WW is one of the DC "trinity" and she couldn't even get a TV show right now.

[Hurm...]

Seriously? I never would have believed that was possible. Those two movies are awful....GL can't be worse than them. Something must have gone really wacky to explain that.
I believe another reason why this movie is failing is because the expectations as to what to expect from a comicbook movie has changed. Audiences want more from comic films now that the stakes have raised with the existence of TDK. Audiences just won't accept movies in the tone of Fantastic Four or Ghost Rider.

[KalMart]

I believe another reason why this movie is failing is because the expectations as to what to expect from a comicbook movie has changed. Audiences want more from comic films now that the stakes have raised with the existence of TDK. Audiences just won't accept movies in the tone of Fantastic Four or Ghost Rider.

I dunno...I think Iron Man's 'tone' was rather broad and upbeat...not exactly high-maintenance or too challenging, but it had a good sense of rhythm and wit about it, and was put together well enough not to let its flaws dictate the viewing experience. Not saying that's easy to do...no film is easy to do, good or bad....but I don't think it's too 'little' to ask these days. In fact, something like Iron Man works on sound fundamental levels that have worked in movies since their beginnings, and continue to work just as well when done well. Can't GL...or any character/franchise...do that too?

But again...besides the marketing and the such-and-such...there's got to be something with GL on a cinematic/filmmaking level that's just not hitting the right notes in order for it to even flirt with movies like Ghost Rider and Daredevil...in ANY poll/comparison. Like...if the first Xmen or Iron Man, being the exact same movies they were, had the exact level of marketing blunders and all, today, as GL did...I can't see them doing this badly or being this ill-received by critics, etc.. They're good enough movies that if you sat people down in front of them with no prior knowledge whatsoever that they were coming out, chances are they'd like what they saw.

Either that, or the marketing had to be so way off...and the critics so collectively on brain-leave...that this movie had to somehow be the greatest thing since sliced bread to even have a chance of overcoming that, and all it was was okay to good. It's not even comic-fan bewilderment...it's bewildering on a very basic, logical level...unless the movie was just really REALLY bad, which is hard to believe considering what they were working with.

[Hurm...]

I dunno...I think Iron Man's 'tone' was rather broad and upbeat...not exactly high-maintenance or too challenging, but it had a good sense of rhythm and wit about it, and was put together well enough not to let its flaws dictate the viewing experience. Not saying that's easy to do...no film is easy to do, good or bad....but I don't think it's too 'little' to ask these days. In fact, something like Iron Man works on sound fundamental levels that have worked in movies since their beginnings, and continue to work just as well when done well. Can't GL...or any character/franchise...do that too?In general, Iron Man had an upbeat tone. BUT there were dramatic scenes in Iron Man that felt like the actor/actors were invested in. GL did not have any scenes of emotional value. That is what puts GL at Ghost Rider and FF level for me. GL felt like a big ol' joke.

[Deaths Head II]

Yeah, Iron Man had many very strong emotional scenes that made you care about the characters and what was going on despite the more fun tone it was going for. I think IM2 was largely missing those type of scenes aside from the scene of Tony and his dad.

[KalMart]

In general, Iron Man had an upbeat tone. BUT there were dramatic scenes in Iron Man that felt like the actor/actors were invested in. GL did not have any scenes of emotional value. That is what puts GL at Ghost Rider and FF level for me. GL felt like a big ol' joke.

Well, if that's true...yeah, that can put a damper on things. :huh:

Also, I think that RDJ and Paltrow made a very good pair onscreen...and their relationship was actually pretty complex and fun. You felt, as a viewer, that you wanted them both to break through a certain personal barrier to connect more with eachother.....and you felt rather rewarded when they would in just little pieces here and there. It was a fun 'will they/won't they' possible romance that didn't feel canned. Just good ol'-fashioned chemistry.

Plus, Jeff Bridges was the best live-action Lex Luthor yet...even though he wasn't actually Lex Luthor. :D

[Docker2.0]

I blame WB for trying to make everything dark................kind of anyway. Gl wasn't a dark movie but it should have had a Spidey feel to it. It did not. :dry: It also should have had easter eggs and a shared universe. Look how many threads are in the Cap and Thor forums because of this. I can't believe WB is so stupid not to have a shared universe. Man who's in charge of DCE?!

[Hurm...]

I think IM2 was largely missing those type of scenes aside from the scene of Tony and his dad.Same here.

[Ita-KalEl]

I blame WB for trying to make everything dark................kind of anyway. Gl wasn't a dark movie but it should have had a Spidey feel to it. It did not. :dry: It also should have had easter eggs and a shared universe. Look how many threads are in the Cap and Thor forums because of this. I can't believe WB is so stupid not to have a shared universe. Man who's in charge of DCE?!

Agree. There was the infamous Superman/CK cameo but they decided to cancel it.

[Silver Surfer]

I blame WB for trying to make everything dark................kind of anyway. Gl wasn't a dark movie but it should have had a Spidey feel to it. It did not. :dry: It also should have had easter eggs and a shared universe. Look how many threads are in the Cap and Thor forums because of this. I can't believe WB is so stupid not to have a shared universe. Man who's in charge of DCE?!
Geoff Johns, who has apparently turned the comment feature of his Facebook page off and is blocking users on Twitter who "demand" answers to GL's misgivings

[Docker2.0]

Geoff Johns, who has apparently turned the comment feature of his Facebook page off and is blocking users on Twitter who "demand" answers to GL's misgivings

It was a rhetorical question becauase I know John's is in charge, kinda anyway. I honestly don't think it's John, it's those WB suits that have no clue what to do with a comic book property. How can John get comics and cartoons so perfect but yet ruin it with movies? No question it's the suits.

[Silver Surfer]

I wouldn't be too quick to blame the suits and let Geoff of the hook so easily

According to Deadline:
Hollywood is expecting director Martin Campbell to be made the scapegoat: he's already publicly suggested he won't be back if there's a sequel. Some point to Geoff Johns, DC Entertainment's chief creative officer who also writes the Green Lantern comics and was integrally involved (reputedly even the deciding vote) on every big decision.

[TheVileOne]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around including Ryan Reynolds.

[solidsnake86]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around including Ryan Reynolds.

Reynolds is the one person who I havent seen critics really harp on.

[Saitou Hajime]

I remember reading about how some moviegoers went to see Daredevil, thinking that he is Spider-man. The red costume for DD probably helped to explain the confusion.

Fox didn't exactly do anything to curb the confusion. Their trailers and TV spots made DD out to be some Burton Batman/Raimi Spider-Man hybrid.

[jmc]

Guys, you're making too many excuses as to why it failed, 'the concept was too out there, the tone wasn't right, bad marketing' etc, at the end of the day the film itself has to be good, not just good enough for a fan, not just serviceable, not average, it has to good enough that joe average wants to see it again and tell all his friends, family and workmates about it. The one tried and true formula to success is producing quality (with some exceptions).

[KalMart]

I wouldn't be too quick to blame the suits and let Geoff of the hook so easily

According to Deadline:

Y'know...if the choppy pacing/editing that so many people mention is a result of execs/Johns ordering stuff out or what have you, I can't imagine any self-respecting director wanting to come back either. If your film is going to be butchered by the people you're working for...or if the effects supervisors just couldn't get the shots done in time to use the scenes....what's the point aside from a paycheck? I don't think this will ruin his career since he's already got a solid enough resume.

[KalMart]

Guys, you're making too many excuses as to why it failed, 'the concept was too out there, the tone wasn't right, bad marketing' etc, at the end of the day the film itself has to be good, not just good enough for a fan, not just serviceable, not average, it has to good enough that joe average wants to see it again and tell all his friends, family and workmates about it. The one tried and true formula to success is producing quality (with some exceptions).

Hardest pill to swallow if true.

[jmc]

I just get the feeling that some fans are just trying to find reasons other than the bleeding obvious for it's bad box office. The reviews were poor, even the fan reviews I've seen are not glowing, some even down right angry, and if that's the case this film is the issue, not the concept. You can't blame joe average for thinking 'might skip this one'.

[Bruce_Begins]

Daredevil's RT score: 45%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daredevil/

Ghost Rider's RT score: 27%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/

Green Lantern's RT score: 25%



DareDevil and Ghost Rider were released at the time when there was no high expectations from a comic book movie, it just needed to be entertaining, that is the bar was not raised (as is the case now post TDK, Iron Man.)

So, DD at 45 % and GR at 25 % is actually lower than GL at 25 % (as it is released in 2011, when there is a higher standard for cbms.)

I acknowledge that the GL movie has flaws and it should have been better, but the ratings at RT are not really fair.

[Silver Surfer]

By that logic Thor must be superior to every Batman film pre TDK, every Superman movie and all 3 spideys. Because it managed to achieve a good rating when standards are apparently so high.

GL is a bad film, comic book movie or not. It deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as DD and GR, fellow bad films

[KalMart]

I just get the feeling that some fans are just trying to find reasons other than the bleeding obvious for it's bad box office. The reviews were poor, even the fan reviews I've seen are not glowing, some even down right angry, and if that's the case this film is the issue, not the concept. You can't blame joe average for thinking 'might skip this one'.

Some are saying that joe average is exactly who this movie should appeal to, though....in a straight-forward fun kind of way....that an element of film-snobbery or such is at the heart of GL's criticism.

[Mysteryman]

Film snobbery from fans and average moviegoers alike?

[KalMart]

Film snobbery from fans and average moviegoers alike?

It can happen.

[jmc]

Some are saying that joe average is exactly who this movie should appeal to, though....in a straight-forward fun kind of way....that an element of film-snobbery or such is at the heart of GL's criticism.

Well clearly it's not. If concepts like Thor can be given a pass than the reason for Green Lanterns failing is itself. There's no-more snobbery for this film compared to any other superhero film, sometimes films just don't work.

[moviedoors]

It can happen.

Or maybe it was just the execution.

[KalMart]

Or maybe it was just the execution.

Either that...or the bad execution.



But then...there's always execution.


:awesome:

[Episode29]

This is obviously anecdotal evidence, but my experience was that the normies who I know in my daily life were, for whatever reason, interested in Thor. Many of them made the trip out opening weekend to see it. My sister and her boyfriend, who see maybe 2 movies in theatres a year, made an effort to see it.

On the opposite side of the coin, my friends and family were pretty vocal that they thought GL looked "stupid" and "corny." I literally had to beg my friend to go see it with me for FREE! When I posted on FB that I was headed out to see it, I got a chorus of reply statements saying things like "Why?" and "What a waste of time!" Now, I didn't agree with their sentiments prior to seeing it, but they obviously weren't liking what they seeing in the tv spots/trailers/etc for whatever reason.

Now, my little example means nothing in the broader picture, it's just an interesting consensus among my little microcosm.

[The Morningstar]

DareDevil and Ghost Rider were released at the time when there was no high expectations from a comic book movie, it just needed to be entertaining, that is the bar was not raised (as is the case now post TDK, Iron Man.)

So, DD at 45 % and GR at 25 % is actually lower than GL at 25 % (as it is released in 2011, when there is a higher standard for cbms.)

I acknowledge that the GL movie has flaws and it should have been better, but the ratings at RT are not really fair.

Daredevil wasn't just "entertaining" it was actually quite thought provoking and deep. It was just that Tom Rothman butchered the theatrical release and had them cut out a whole sub plot about Matt Murdock as a lawyer and his Catholic upbrining. Basically, they cut out about 30 minutes of character development. The Directors Cut is far superior, and if that was the version that got released and reviewed, I guarantee it would have been more critically acclaimed.

[moviedoors]

I really didn't care for the Daredevil director's cut either. I never thought the theatrical cut was that bad, just not all that good. I wish I could remember the new cut better, as I'm at a bit of loss as to what I didn't like so much about it, I just remember that I didn't think any more highly of it in its R rated form.

[The Morningstar]

I liked that it showed Murdock as a lawyer more. And his Catholic upbringing. Rothman and co basically just cut out a load of character development, for some strange reason.

[chamber-music]

Just read that Green Lantern made only £717,000 this weekend over here in the UK.

Stick a fork in it, this film is done.

Only a miracle can save Green Lantern.....
Damn couldn't even make a million pounds on opening weekend :wow:

This is obviously anecdotal evidence, but my experience was that the normies who I know in my daily life were, for whatever reason, interested in Thor. Many of them made the trip out opening weekend to see it. My sister and her boyfriend, who see maybe 2 movies in theatres a year, made an effort to see it.

On the opposite side of the coin, my friends and family were pretty vocal that they thought GL looked "stupid" and "corny." I literally had to beg my friend to go see it with me for FREE! When I posted on FB that I was headed out to see it, I got a chorus of reply statements saying things like "Why?" and "What a waste of time!" Now, I didn't agree with their sentiments prior to seeing it, but they obviously weren't liking what they seeing in the tv spots/trailers/etc for whatever reason.

Now, my little example means nothing in the broader picture, it's just an interesting consensus among my little microcosm.
My friends were the same. They thought GL looked a bit goofy. If you can't convince the non-comic reading audience to see the film you will struggle

[Saitou Hajime]

I liked that it showed Murdock as a lawyer more. And his Catholic upbringing. Rothman and co basically just cut out a load of character development, for some strange reason.

The main thing the DC fixed is that now the climax of the movie made sense. A lot of people were confused by the whole "the word's out on the Kingpin" bit at the end, mainly because the suits excised a whole subplot integral to it.

[FreeRadical]

Damn couldn't even make a million pounds on opening weekend :wow:


Actually I made a mistake, that's for Friday. It actually made £3million this weekend in the UK.

[ddddeeee]

Actually I made a mistake, that's for Friday. It actually made £3million this weekend in the UK.

Which is barely half of Thor and X-Men and they both had previews.

[FreeRadical]

Which is barely half of Thor and X-Men and they both had previews.

Yeah, the international box office even though it's hasn't been released everywhere, is only $17million so far. The public must be really put off by the film, every TV ad break I have seen over the past week was Green Lantern.

[Showtime]

Some are saying that joe average is exactly who this movie should appeal to, though....in a straight-forward fun kind of way....that an element of film-snobbery or such is at the heart of GL's criticism.

I've seen this a lot and I disagree, this movie was made for fans. The studio was hoping the action and look of the film would bring the general public in.

[Doctor Jones]

There's no such thing as film snobbery when it comes to comic book films; unless your some elitist pretentious movie snob (and there are; but I haven't seen it yet for CBM's). It's how the film looks and how good the film. I don't get the sudden quick to claim name calling of why it wasn't a success or that the person who liked it is calling out other people for their dislike.

The film sucked. Everything could have worked if it was good but it didn't. WB botched the film in the marketing and int he money department. And the final product suffered all by itself. Put these two together and you have a disaster. It doesn't matter how much you liked the film, it's all here. The consensus is that this film failed.

[Excelsior.]

I've seen this a lot and I disagree, this movie was made for fans. The studio was hoping the action and look of the film would bring the general public in.
I just can't imagine this. You don't make a 200 million blockbuster for 1% of your potential audience.

[The Morningstar]

I just can't imagine this. You don't make a 200 million blockbuster for 1% of your potential audience.

Exactly. There has to be a balance between pleasing the fans, and making it enjoyable/accessable for non fans.

In my opinion it did neither. I'm a GL fan. I think it's a total disservice to the GL mythology. And also it fails on fundamental film making levels.

And it pisses me off. My thoughts on this film were; Hyped, then the first trailer hit and it lowered my expectations. Then the Wonder-Con footage came out, starting to get enthusiastic again. Then the second and third trailers hit, HYPED. Then i started to notice the ever increasing desperation of the marketing, plus the strangely overlong embargo... and my enthusiasm wained again.

Then I finally saw the film? Blegh. The lead up to the film was more of a rollercoaster ride than the film itself.

[Showtime]

I just can't imagine this. You don't make a 200 million blockbuster for 1% of your potential audience.

Intentional or not, that is what they did. They probably didn't sit there and say, "Let's make this movie for my friends at the comicbook store.", but the movie itself actual caters more to fans. At least that is my opinion.

[S.A.A.D.]

We get it, you didn't like the movie. :whatever:

There is no need to beat a horse that is already deceased.

[Showtime]

We get it, you didn't like the movie. :whatever:

There is no need to beat a horse that is already deceased.

Me...

[The Morningstar]

He's talking to me. I'm just sharing my opinion, loudly and frequently sure, but that's because i'm so utterly disappointed and pissed off.

[S.A.A.D.]

This might sound crazy, but what if WB deliberately went crazy with the money and knew that the movie wouldn't end up making much money? What if they liked the mythology of GL so much that they were like screw it and were like well Nolan's next Batman can help out with covering the money that went into the GL movie.

That would be a sick plan. A guy can wish, right?

[S.A.A.D.]

Me...

No not you, I was talking to TheMorningStar.