What would you rather see next - FIRST CLASS 2 or X4?

[Alexei Belyakov]

Where do you want FOX to go next with the franchise?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Neither, honestly. I'm ready for the series to come to an end. It's a full and complete story.

But if there has to be a sequel, I think I'd prefer a sequel to X-Men: First Class. I think X-Men: The Last Stand dead ended too much by killing Xavier, Cyclops, and Jean Grey and curing Rogue. A future sequel would have to be a team of Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde, which in and of itself isn't a horrible team, but in the movies, Colossus, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde haven't been portrayed as characters that could carry a movie.

[Spider-Fan]

X4. First Class was by far the best X-Men film to date, but I don't think a sequel adds anything.

[FilmNerdJamie]

C) None of the above.

[X-Maniac]

As names/concepts without any detail, either sound fine.

If I knew more about who/what might be included in them, then I could choose!

X4 would seem likely to omit Cyclops, Jean, Xavier, Mystique and Magneto, and possibly Rogue as well. That would leave Storm, Wolverine and whoever else they decided on including (possibly a new team altogether, as at the end of the Last Stand novelisation). Of course, that's only my quick assessment - they might well bring back some of the dead or cured characters for all we know.

First Class has many decades to fill in yet, and the younger, more vibrant cast does seem a fresher option overall.

Honestly, I can't choose, but I think a First Class sequel would be easier to get off the ground soon - they have the cast, they have the locations, they have a director wanting to come back.

[Alexei Belyakov]

C) None of the above.

They're most definitely gonna do one or the other.

[FilmNerdJamie]

They're most definitely gonna do one or the other.

Fully aware of that. Yet that wasn't the question.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Neither, honestly. I'm ready for the series to come to an end. It's a full and complete story.

But if there has to be a sequel, I think I'd prefer a sequel to X-Men: First Class. I think X-Men: The Last Stand dead ended too much by killing Xavier, Cyclops, and Jean Grey and curing Rogue. A future sequel would have to be a team of Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde, which in and of itself isn't a horrible team, but in the movies, Colossus, Iceman, and Kitty Pryde haven't been portrayed as characters that could carry a movie.

Unless X4 is based on Days of Future Past where the X-Team concept is no longer applicable. You have an entirely new set of supporting characters with Wolverine commanding the picture.

[Angamb]

Right now its a hard question for me too.

Ive been waiting for X4 since X3, but right now, I want to see the new cast in the next decades, and specially the last sequel, with Scott, Jean and Ororo, if they decide to include them. I really want to see it.

But I love the cast of X3, so....

I cant vote right now.

[akfj]

Fully aware of that. Yet that wasn't the question.

And none of the above wasn't a choice. Care to elaborate?

[BMM]

Either, I guess. I would like to see a First Class sequel simply because I like the cast and crew behind it and would like for them to further explore the X-Universe. As for X-Men 4, I used to be against it, and still am depending upon who Fox gets to return for the sequel, but I'm curious about Singer's supposed X-Men 4/X-Men 5 treatment.

[Blackman]

FC sequel. There's just alot I wanna see between FC and the first X-Men movie

HOnestly, even if they got Singer to return I wouldnt really want to see a X4`

[Angamb]

Both movies with the right team can be great movies.

I think right now they should do Second Class.

its definetly the easier way, and the less expensive for Fox.

And deppending on how Second Class works on the worldwide boxoffice, Id do Third Class or X4.

[TheDarkKnight08]

X4. I loved First Class, but I wish we could move forward with the series. Enough prequels. Maybe Vaughn would make X4... Or both? :awesome:

[FilmNerdJamie]

And none of the above wasn't a choice. Care to elaborate?

My initial comment said it all.

[Angamb]

I think Ive made the decision.

Next, I want to see Second Class.

I dont feel X4 is the right proyect right now, after the great reception of FC.

So I vote for the sequel to FC.

[henzINNIT]

X4. It can go into to more interesting places without destroying continuity.

[akfj]

My initial comment said it all.

Fair enough.

[marvelrobbins]

If Fox IS smart they will go this way after The wolverine.

First up a X-Men First Class sequel set In early 1970's.This would have Magneto begining to attack leading up to first X-Men VS Brotherhood.My suggestion would be add Polaris to Havok,Banshee,and Beast.By end of film Beast could be only X-Man still with Xavier and the brotherhood besides Mystique and Emma could have been killed and Xavier begins to lose hair.

Then do X4/X5.It will most likely be version of Days of Future past.The post credits scene gave then the opening to bring back Xavier.Inless a Superman Returns situation occurs Cyclops won't be In it.Besides Wolverine the lineup will be dependent on who wants to come back(Possible that Ellen Page and Kelsey Grammer would decline) and what other actors would want(Storm could be dropped If Halle Berry asks for too much) Rogue would probally get the major role In a days of future past film.Magneto may not even be In this film.

After that do conclusion of first Class trilogy set In 1980's(This allows james Mcavory,Michael fassbender,Januray Jones,and possibly Rose Bryne to age some more to be more credable in film set 20 years after first Class) and Introduces Teenage Cyclops,Jean Grey,and Storm.Could also show Sabretooth becoming part of Brotherhood and Emma Frost breaking away from Magneto.

[Angamb]

In my opinion, the best way to end this franchise would be with X4/X5.

To finish it with Third Class would be cute.

But to finish it with X4 or X4/5 would be EPIC.

[fallenAngel]

X4 as long as they recast most of the roles and don't bother bringing back any of the dead or cured characters with the possible exception of Rogue as a cameo type supporting role.

First Class I feel like has many more unique and interesting possibilities but if it is infact more of a prequel than reboot then I'll pass. I have zero interest in any of those characters beyond Magneto and Xavier and they've already been pretty well established and developed. Characters like Psylocke would work better in an X4 I feel anyway.

Maybe working in Havok and Banshee as older cameos would be cool.

No idea what the plot would be though.

[hopefuldreamer]

I really can't give an opinion that's not full of bitterness.

I mean, I really enjoyed First Class... but the whole franchise spat on Cyclops, and he was my favourite x-man.... it's just really really hard to let that go...

Why oh why oh why could it not just have been a reboot :(

[Angamb]

hopefulsuicide, hopefully you'll get a great Cyclops role on the final part of this possible new trilogy.

I really really hope so.

Its my main interest about this new trilogy, to see the introduction of Scott, Jean and Ororo and how they meet the rest of the x-men, and watching them in action bigger than ever.

[blueserenity]

I've read a lot of complaints from people not wanted FC2 because the bg X-Men aren't the big names like Jean and Storm.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut Last Stand killed off Cyclops, Jean, and Prof X. It also stripped Rogue, Magneto, and Mystique of their powers (at least significantly). So, um, who exactly would you be seeing X4 for?

XFC sequel all the way. I don't care who's in it as long as we get plenty of scenes with Fassbender and McAvoy.

[sauronthegreat]

C) Both!

I am for the sequel to First Class. There's a lot of potential now and new energy brought to this franchise. It would be nice to finish the trilogy. They accomplished a lot with the 'prequel' and it would be smart to continue the story. The formation of the X-Men, Cyclops and Jean, Sinister, Mutant Massacre, now that we got Magneto's story develop Xavier's, launch of the Sentinel program, Genosha... are all potential stories that could work in this time-line prior to the darker days of the two X-Men films.

And then I am for X3 and X4 being made simultaneously (after the second class film) and work as legitimate sequels to X2.
X3 would deal with Magneto's last effort to achieve a mutant paradise, also Sentinels could be a part of the film and Bastion, with the Days of Future Past theme. While X4 will continue some of the story from X3 and concentrate on Dark Phoenix saga and Sinister (instead of the Hellfire). Maybe if this franchise survives 4 more films they can make an epic finale with X5 and Apocalypse.

[ciscostudent561]

first class 2

Enter a fully powered Cyclops, Jean Grey Collososus and Storm Vs Russians Sentinels Led forth by Omega RED

*has orgasm*

I want to see Cyclops and Storm turning gigabots into sheet metal. Sure Colossus was young in X-3, but maybe his mutant power too slows down his aging :-)

That would be sooo schweeet

[The Guard]

What a silly question. Both. The smart thing to do would be to start building a storyline in X-MEN: SECOND CLASS that culminates in future films. They should have been doing that with the Hellfire Club, frankly.

There are plenty of interesting places for X4 to go. I think people are a bit shortsighted about the team.

The current team appears to be Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, Kitty Pryde and Angel. That's a pretty decent lineup already. Possibly Beast would have a role. They haven't even scratched the surface of Jubilee. Banshee could always be brought in somehow, maybe Gambit. Dazzler would be amazing. There's Forge, Cable, Bishop, etc, any number of other lesser known characters could work.

If that's not enough, then there's an obvious built in way to bring Xavier back, the cure clearly wasn't permanent, so there's no reason we couldn't see Magneto and Rogue again. If filmmakers wanted to, they could easily find ways to bring Scott and Jean back (Sinister, anyone?)

There's really no reason we couldn't see Emma Frost in X4 (Sigourney Weaver, anyone?)

And let's face it, Stewart and McKellan won't be available forever. They should use them while they can.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For me, X3 did too much damage for an X4 to be possible without some MAJOR ret-cons and ignorances, which I'm not sure I want.

So, definately FC2 for me, there is still plenty of ground to cover, they could still have stuff like Magneto helping Xavier build cerebro in the sequel just give them a reason to do it, like maybe finding Jean or another powerful mutant that neither can control on their own.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Your first sentence is exactly it for me.

Its gonna be way to convoluted to bring characters back and say the cure wasnt permanent. You wanna talk about losing credibility.

[JP]

A Matthew Vaughn directed First Class Sequel, and a Bryan Singer directed X4.

Please and thank you.

[thedevilhunter]

First class 2:

I don't want to see another movie woth Wolverine as the main character. With X4 it could be 6 films as the main character :doh:. X4 should be the true sequel of X2 that ties in FC as well.

I love to see more of Mcavoy and Fassbender while they are young and fresh.

[Mako]

A Matthew Vaughn directed First Class Sequel, and a Bryan Singer directed X4.

Please and thank you.

:up: Def. what I want to see.

[magneto23]

They totally botched X3 to the point where they can't continue. Wolverine and Storm are the only characters left. They basically crippled that series and there isn't a realistic way out. A FC trilogy is the way to go.

[Ipodman]

If I could only choose one, then definitely First Class 2... (or Second Class!) and with the same cast of course!

[superman555]

They totally botched X3 to the point where they can't continue. Wolverine and Storm are the only characters left. They basically crippled that series and there isn't a realistic way out. A FC trilogy is the way to go.

Yes I agree and X3 is five years old...ppl have forgotten about it

[ciscostudent561]

They totally botched X3 to the point where they can't continue. Wolverine and Storm are the only characters left. They basically crippled that series and there isn't a realistic way out. A FC trilogy is the way to go.

This

[quara33]

I loved First Class, and really hope they do a sequel to it next. I'm happy with the "modern day" trilogy ending at X3...no, it wasn't perfect, but it did tie things up in a way that I found rather satisfying.

What I don't want is someone coming in and bootstrapping some way to 'fix' the events of X3. If there's a graceful way to continue the storyline, sure, but I want the story to be good, not some sort of 'fix-it fic'.

If they do an X4, I would hope Fox re-casts where necessary, and frankly, gives the writers/directors the freedom to ignore whatever continuity they want to.

But as for me personally, I want to see what happens next in the First Class universe.

[psylockolussus]

X-Men 4, I have been waiting for that forever.

First Class was good and I would love to see Banshee/Havok/Emma again but c'mon they can't make prequels forever.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I loved First Class, and really hope they do a sequel to it next. I'm happy with the "modern day" trilogy ending at X3...no, it wasn't perfect, but it did tie things up in a way that I found rather satisfying.

What I don't want is someone coming in and bootstrapping some way to 'fix' the events of X3. If there's a graceful way to continue the storyline, sure, but I want the story to be good, not some sort of 'fix-it fic'.

I agree with this part. And honestly, I don't really see how they can "gracefully" continue. If they have to keep making X-Men movies, I'd say just continue from X-Men: First Class. There's 40 years worth of room for them to put stories in, and while they are somewhat limited in what they can do, due to continuity of X-Men, X2, and X-Men: The Last Stand, I think there are more limits on the series by continuing with an X-Men 4.

I just don't see what's left tho. The role of Mr. Sinister was essentially taken by William Stryker, so bringing him in is a rehash. Apocalypse is rather convoluted, and would have to be extremely toned down to the point that it would probably just piss fans off, the same way the new take on the Phoenix Saga did (personally, I liked the movie's version of Phoenix better than the cartoons / comics version of Phoenix being a space entity). Days of Future Past is probably the best option to continue the series with an X-Men 4, but even that isn't much better. We've seen the Xavier v. Magneto conflict for 4 movies, and a sequel to X-Men: First Class would likely be a rehash of that in some way, considering the final scene of the movie was of Magneto recruiting Emma Frost into his newly formed Brotherhood of Mutants. I'm just not sure what other direction they could go with the franchise from here. There's a reason why I say there's not really much left for the X-Men movies to cover. It's either been covered in one way or another, or would be way too convoluted for a movie that wants to be taken seriously. I think the only things left that have any kind of chance are Days of Future Past, or something else that deals with Sentinels. But even with those, we'd be continuing on without major characters like Cyclops, Xavier, or Jean Grey, and even though the movie hinted at it, I think that a future movie making the cure temporary and bringing back characters like Magneto and Rogue is rather contrived as well. I have my own personal theories as to why Magneto still seems to have his powers without making the cure temporary.

[blueserenity]

I agree with this part. And honestly, I don't really see how they can "gracefully" continue. If they have to keep making X-Men movies, I'd say just continue from X-Men: First Class. There's 40 years worth of room for them to put stories in, and while they are somewhat limited in what they can do, due to continuity of X-Men, X2, and X-Men: The Last Stand, I think there are more limits on the series by continuing with an X-Men 4.

I just don't see what's left tho. The role of Mr. Sinister was essentially taken by William Stryker, so bringing him in is a rehash. Apocalypse is rather convoluted, and would have to be extremely toned down to the point that it would probably just piss fans off, the same way the new take on the Phoenix Saga did (personally, I liked the movie's version of Phoenix better than the cartoons / comics version of Phoenix being a space entity). Days of Future Past is probably the best option to continue the series with an X-Men 4, but even that isn't much better. We've seen the Xavier v. Magneto conflict for 4 movies, and a sequel to X-Men: First Class would likely be a rehash of that in some way, considering the final scene of the movie was of Magneto recruiting Emma Frost into his newly formed Brotherhood of Mutants. I'm just not sure what other direction they could go with the franchise from here. There's a reason why I say there's not really much left for the X-Men movies to cover. It's either been covered in one way or another, or would be way too convoluted for a movie that wants to be taken seriously. I think the only things left that have any kind of chance are Days of Future Past, or something else that deals with Sentinels. But even with those, we'd be continuing on without major characters like Cyclops, Xavier, or Jean Grey, and even though the movie hinted at it, I think that a future movie making the cure temporary and bringing back characters like Magneto and Rogue is rather contrived as well. I have my own personal theories as to why Magneto still seems to have his powers without making the cure temporary.

The great thing about FC though is that if they wanted to, they could use it as a reboot. Yes, there were nice nods to the existing films but that doesn't mean they have to stick with them. If they really wanted to make yet another Wolverine-centric movie under the FC universe, they could always invite HJ back. Beyond his and Rebecca's cameos, there really isn't anything that specifically links this to the other movies. And the Erik in the camps opening. They reuse some shots for it but even his mom is a different actress.

[magneto23]

The great thing about FC though is that if they wanted to, they could use it as a reboot.


This is what they SHOULD do. TPTB at FOX have to realize that they wrote themselves into a dead end with X3 and exhausted that cast/characters/potential stories. They have NO WHERE TO GO with a X4. It's done. But with First Class, they can go ANYWHERE. They can easily neglect/cut ties with the original trilogy (minor/cameo connections) and basically start the series from scratch right here. They can learn from their mistakes. They would still be able to use cyclopes/J Grey/Storm/who ever they want, recast them and insert them in the next film or the one after that. They have so much potential with FC. They could have Fassbender/McAvoy anchor a new series of films for the next decade. All they have to do is say X1-3/Wolverine films are separate and the FC films will be its own thing. Simple as that.

[Avenger]

First Class 2. I don't ever want to see a follow-up to The Last Stand unless they somehow cleverly explain away at least some of the crap in it. Maybe the Jean in TLS was a clone created by Mr. Sinister. Maybe Scott didn't die, the Phoenix teleported him elsewhere. I dunno.

I'd prefer that the rights to X-Men reverted to Marvel Studios and then they rebooted the whole franchise, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

[hopefuldreamer]

hopefulsuicide, hopefully you'll get a great Cyclops role on the final part of this possible new trilogy.

I really really hope so.

Its my main interest about this new trilogy, to see the introduction of Scott, Jean and Ororo and how they meet the rest of the x-men, and watching them in action bigger than ever.

I just don't see how that's going to work, with it not being a reboot.

I mean, I would LOVE too see McAvoys Proffessor X first discover a teenage Scott... But will the try and cast someone who could be passable as James Marsden's younger self? Because if so, he's still gonna be much too short for the role...

And if they do cast him totally independantly of Marsden's portrayal, people will be making jokes about how he shrunk as he got older.

At the end of the day, they just got the character wrong in so many ways. And as long as they continue to tell stories from within that franchise i'm not going to have any faith in them rectifying it.

This is what they SHOULD do. TPTB at FOX have to realize that they wrote themselves into a dead end with X3 and exhausted that cast/characters/potential stories. They have NO WHERE TO GO with a X4. It's done. But with First Class, they can go ANYWHERE. They can easily neglect/cut ties with the original trilogy (minor/cameo connections) and basically start the series from scratch right here. They can learn from their mistakes. They would still be able to use cyclopes/J Grey/Storm/who ever they want, recast them and insert them in the next film or the one after that. They have so much potential with FC. They could have Fassbender/McAvoy anchor a new series of films for the next decade. All they have to do is say X1-3/Wolverine films are separate and the FC films will be its own thing. Simple as that.

As great as I think that'd be, I think they already made it pretty clear they are stubbornly sticking to their 'prequel not a reboot' idea...

It's ridculous, and I have no idea why they won't just follow the trend (yes, for once I think they should just be sheep) and have let it be a reboot.

But they copied that entire opening sequence with the gate bending from X1. They set up a few bits of plotline so that it would tie in with X1-3 (even if they majorly missed the mark on a few). Not to mention the COMPLETELY pointless but promblematic addition of Wolverine...

Nah they are sticking to their guns for whatever reasons, and I'm gonna be old and grey before I get to see a decent Cyclops.

Fingers crossed for an X-men Evolution style TV Show once their done attempting to drag this franchise out. That'd be fun.

[marvelrobbins]

People are conventully forgeting that First Class has very strong clues x4Directed by Bryan Singer may be pulling a Superman Returns by completing Ignoring X-Men the Last Stand.This makes more sense that calling first Class a reboot with cameos by Hugh jackman and Rebecca Romijn and using other things from X-Men films(The shot by shot recreation of opening scene,Xavierand Magneto working otgether when Xavier brought together the first group of mutants at the the mansion Is backstory from the films not the comics,getting Mystique's appearance and relationship with Magneto from the films.Having William Stryker's father Is hint at the major role the film gave stryker)a reboot means you are saying the other films never happened.You don't have nodds to them.I don't understand the reasoning some are trying to
use to advocating this.And I hate to tell people this by If Fox did that they
would bring In Wolverine for the sequel.

People are also forgetting that even with The Last Stand In cannon they provided a way for Xavier to be In X4.The post credets scene has Xavier waking up In body which In commantary was explanded as being his brain dead twin Brother.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Your first sentence is exactly it for me.

Its gonna be way to convoluted to bring characters back and say the cure wasnt permanent. You wanna talk about losing credibility.

Exactly Nell, though our opinions on X3 differ widely, we can at least agree it made an X4 very unlikely without some major ret-conning, which I'm not sure I want. Personally I would just love if we could somehow erase X3 from existence, but as thats not possible, I think an FC2 is the only way to go.

[merbass]

I'd rather see both of these than The Wolverine or Deadpool.

X-men: Second class - X-men reunion. Perhaps like Bryan Singer said, this could be done during Vitenam War and all mutants are at risk, therefore Erik and Charles reunited again.

X-men 4 - The cure didn't work as you see in the movie with Magneto gaining power back at the end of the movie, but what we don't know is the fact that the cure never meant to cure but to kill all mutants with virus that came with it. Worthington's associate was once Stryker's subordinate and he vows to get rid of all mutants but giving these fake cure to them. Xavier is now in another body and can walk. Raven found him with Moira and they reunite. Jean comes back. Emma felt Jean's power but block Charles so he didn't know that she snatched Scott away.

[merbass]

I'd rather see both of these than The Wolverine or Deadpool.

X-men: Second class - X-men reunion. Perhaps like Bryan Singer said, this could be done during Vitenam War and all mutants are at risk, therefore Erik and Charles reunited again.

X-men 4 - The cure didn't work as you see in the movie with Magneto gaining power back at the end of the movie, but what we don't know is the fact that the cure never meant to cure but to kill all mutants with virus that came with it. Worthington's associate was once Stryker's subordinate and he vows to get rid of all mutants but giving these fake cure to them. Xavier is now in another body and can walk. Raven found him with Moira and they reunite. Jean comes back. Emma felt Jean's power but block Charles so he didn't know that she snatched Scott away.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The great thing about FC though is that if they wanted to, they could use it as a reboot. Yes, there were nice nods to the existing films but that doesn't mean they have to stick with them. If they really wanted to make yet another Wolverine-centric movie under the FC universe, they could always invite HJ back. Beyond his and Rebecca's cameos, there really isn't anything that specifically links this to the other movies. And the Erik in the camps opening. They reuse some shots for it but even his mom is a different actress.

I don't want them to use it as a reboot either. I've explained my stance on that many times over tho :p

[The Guard]

Suggesting that X4 couldn't continue because Xavier, Cyclops and Jean are dead and Magneto and Rogue are depowered (maybe) is ridiculous. It's like people don't understand the X-Men mythology at all. If anything, it makes sense for another few films to focus on different characters anyway, since the FIRST CLASS franchise is focusing on Xavier and Magneto and the previous one focused on certain characters.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I understand the X-Men mythology just fine. I also understand that movies are not comics and you cannot treat the two mediums the same. Movies need a core set of characters, a core that X3 brought to conclusions, for better or for worse. Characters like Iceman, Colossus, and Kitty Pryde, who might make for a great comic book team, haven't been built up as main eventers in the story. They are secondary, supporting characters, if that.

First Class worked because it still focused on Xavier and Magneto, who are the core of the X-Men universe, and X-Men movies. A potential X-Men 4 wouldn't have that. It'd have a bunch of secondary characters, and -maybe- Storm and Wolverine.

[RachelDawes]

The people who say they want an X4 remind me of the people who wanted a sequel to SR in that they come up with the most outlandish scenarios to retcon the mistakes of the previous movie. I say let the original series die and focus on Wolverine and FC sequels.

I prefer the FC cast anyway and am more interested in seeing their future adventures than I would be for McKellan, Jackman, et al.

[Loganbabe]

I want a Second Class much, SO MUCH more than I want a X4.
Hopefully a Second Class will focus more on Professor X's character development and the X-kids.

[Snikt]

I don't want to retcon anything in this universe. I want a direct sequel to X3 :D

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The people who say they want an X4 remind me of the people who wanted a sequel to SR in that they come up with the most outlandish scenarios to retcon the mistakes of the previous movie. I say let the original series die and focus on Wolverine and FC sequels.

I prefer the FC cast anyway and am more interested in seeing their future adventures than I would be for McKellan, Jackman, et al.

I think the only thing I disagree on is the preference of the First Class team to the main trilogy team. Other than that, I agree. The main trilogy has been told. Those characters are explored. First Class sequels give us the best chance to explore the universe further. Let Wolverine have his movie(s), and make a First Class sequel and call it a day. That'd be a great franchise of movies.

X-Men main trilogy.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class series
Wolverine

Sounds good to me. We can get another 2 or 3 movies, end up with about 6, 7 or even 8 films altogether. It was a good run.

[marvelrobbins]

X4 eather needs to pull a Superman Returns on The Last Stand or just be new story set several years later.The Post Credit scene of Last Stand already provided the bringing back of Xavier.The end of Last Stand had Magneto begining to regian powers so the cure doesn't even have to be dealt with.

Deadpool Is pulling a Superman Returns on Wolverine to be viewed as part of the X-Men series of films.

First Class,any First Class sequels,and The Wolverine are all part of exsisting film series.If you want reboots go to Warner Brothers DC Comics films and there endless rebooting.

[BMM]

I just don't see how that's going to work, with it not being a reboot.

I mean, I would LOVE too see McAvoys Proffessor X first discover a teenage Scott... But will the try and cast someone who could be passable as James Marsden's younger self? Because if so, he's still gonna be much too short for the role...

And if they do cast him totally independantly of Marsden's portrayal, people will be making jokes about how he shrunk as he got older.

No, they won't. No one in their right mind will notice that at all, let alone make an issue out of it 6+ years later.

[marvelrobbins]

I think the only thing I disagree on is the preference of the First Class team to the main trilogy team. Other than that, I agree. The main trilogy has been told. Those characters are explored. First Class sequels give us the best chance to explore the universe further. Let Wolverine have his movie(s), and make a First Class sequel and call it a day. That'd be a great franchise of movies.

X-Men main trilogy.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class series
Wolverine

Sounds good to me. We can get another 2 or 3 movies, end up with about 6, 7 or even 8 films altogether. It was a good run.

The main reason to do X4 would be to do the sentinles.After Brotherhood and Hellfire club they should be a threat seen on film.If Not The Last Stand will be Return of the Jedi of X-men films.

After The Wolverine Fox needs to call it a day on Solo Wolverine films.After doing the origin and Japan stories that Is enough.

First Class needs to be a trilogy.Film 2 should be the first X-men VS Brotherhood while the conclusion should be when the teenage Cyclops,Jean Grey,and storm are brought In.If they don't do X4 they could do the sentinles here.The Last Stand provided the logic of the X-Men already facing the Sentinles by having head seen In Danger Room.

Fox should really drop the deadpool film or recast Deadpool and drop the X-Men Origins part of the title and make It a total standalone from the X-Men films.

If Fox doesn't do X4 and just does The Wolverine and 2 First Class sequel then afterthat If they reboot they they need to have a total new crew on the X-Men films.This Is what should have been done with James Bond and Spider-Man.At least Batman and Star Trek Did this(as well as Superman although I have no plans to see Man of Steel)

[A Necessary Evil]

First Class sequels please.

[Avalanche]

I think X4 would be too problematic in terms of bringing all the characters we know back together, not least because X3 decimated half the cast. X4 would feel so unfamiliar it might as well not be X4 at all.

With First Class, however, the have somewhere to go with the current team.

[henzINNIT]

I mean, I would LOVE too see McAvoys Proffessor X first discover a teenage Scott... But will the try and cast someone who could be passable as James Marsden's younger self? Because if so, he's still gonna be much too short for the role...

And if they do cast him totally independantly of Marsden's portrayal, people will be making jokes about how he shrunk as he got older

This is literally the only time I've read a complaint about Marsden's height.

He's not short by any means, 5'10", and tricks were used so he never looked short next to Jackman. I don't see anyone caring at all about his height compared to a younger actor, let alone even remembering.

[Alexei Belyakov]

The people who say they want an X4 remind me of the people who wanted a sequel to SR in that they come up with the most outlandish scenarios to retcon the mistakes of the previous movie. I say let the original series die and focus on Wolverine and FC sequels.

I agree 100%.

The studio would never finance an X4 that retcons everything in X3 or make "Bryan Singer's X3".

[ciscostudent561]

The main reason to do X4 would be to do the sentinles.)
wrong. you can pull off russian sentinels in cold war russia led by omega red

all the action
all the good story and the introduction of another mega villian

we could even have Piotr in the movie. The explanation for his youthful looks in x-2 and x-3? Aging slowly as usual.

[BMM]

Seeing as he was still in school, he must be a pretty slow learner too. :D

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Seeing as he was still in school, he must be a pretty slow learner too. :D

Colossus crush now.

[War.]

I'd prefer an X4. First Class was a wonderful film but both that and Origins really screwed up the movieverse continuity established in the first 3 X films. (See Beast and Emma Frost for starters)

A Second Class would only be worth it if we got Gambit as part of the 'second' team.

But as for X4, a team of Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, Iceman, Angel, Beast & Kitty would be a lot of fun. I'd like to see The Purifiers or something similar as the new enemy too.

[MessiahDecoy123]

A reboot from Marvel studios

[Angamb]

But as for X4, a team of Wolverine, Colossus, Storm, Iceman, Angel, Beast & Kitty would be a lot of fun.

And if you add Rogue and Gambit as the new mutant giving some troubles to the x-men...

Ill be on the theatre the first day!. :woot:

[merbass]

Remember The cure in First class didn't cure, but it enhanced the power. What makes you think The cure in X3 won't do the same ? It may take longer for the power to come back, but once it is back it is more powerful than ever ! This is X-universe. What else can't happen ?

The Wolverine is already ignoring X-men origins. X4 can simply address the incident without having it related to the actual movie.

[psylockolussus]

Remember The cure in First class didn't cure, but it enhanced the power. What makes you think The cure in X3 won't do the same ? It may take longer for the power to come back, but once it is back it is more powerful than ever ! This is X-universe. What else can't happen ?


If thats the case, Rogue would be so powerful in X4 :awesome:

[esotaric]

First class basically revived the entire x men franchise, much like what "batman begins" did to batman series. X4 ahead of first class sequel would be stupid.

[merbass]

If thats the case, Rogue would be so powerful in X4 :awesome:

Well consider the fact that the actress who plays her is much popular and proved she can be an action figure (True Blood) , I don't see why Rogue can't gain her power back and become even more powerful. Leech is at the academy, so he could stay next door to Rogue and Iceman for them to be intimate.

The new team will be lead by younger Charles, Storm, Iceman, Rogue, Shadow cat and Collossus. Jean and Cyclops will reappear towards the end which will lead to X5.


X-men: Second class will continue its own storyline, so we know what would happen to the first class mutants. Emma taking over Hellfire club because Erik and her do not have the same philosophies.

[blueserenity]

Well consider the fact that the actress who plays her is much popular and proved she can be an action figure (True Blood) , I don't see why Rogue can't gain her power back and become even more powerful. Leech is at the academy, so he could stay next door to Rogue and Iceman for them to be intimate.

The new team will be lead by younger Charles, Storm, Iceman, Rogue, Shadow cat and Collossus. Jean and Cyclops will reappear towards the end which will lead to X5.


X-men: Second class will continue its own storyline, so we know what would happen to the first class mutants. Emma taking over Hellfire club because Erik and her do not have the same philosophies.

I'm not sure how many people would be interested in a Charles Xavier who isn't played by Patrick Stewart or James McAvoy. The whole idea of his mind moving to another body was such an... OFFENSIVE Deus Ex stretch as it was. Reviving Jean and Cyclops would be horrendous ("lolz jk they din't die afterall"). Storm won't return because wasn't there an issue with HB demanding too much money? I can't really see Anna Paquin reviving her role now that she's got such a good thing going with True Blood. I think Shawn Ashmore would come back, not sure about Ellen Page.

TLS offended so many people, comic fans and ordinary moviegoers alike, that there isn't any X4 they could make after it that would reassure people. They gave themselves a dead end in terms of most of the characters and in terms of the "current timeline" X-Men being entertaining. X-Men: First class did poorly at the box office because ordinary movie goers remembered how bad TLS was (perhaps moreso than Origins). If they are only going to make one non-Wolverine/Deadpool X-Men movie, which makes the most sense: following up a horribly-received movie that killed off 3 of the main characters and prevents Patrick Stewart from reprising his role, or following up a very favorably reviewed preboot that did alright at the box office despite the bare minimum of marketing and truly shameful first-look posters? If they put effort into marketing for FC2 like they have the other movies, I think it would easily surpass The Last Stand's earnings. Heck, I think FC1 will probably end its run just 100M shy of TLS's worldwide tally which is not bad at all considering, again, all the things this movie had working against it (marketing, "unknown" actors, 2 wretched movies that came before it, competing with a summer jampacked with heavy hitters).

[BH/HHH]

First Class 2 I think the original series is dead

[merbass]

I'm not sure how many people would be interested in a Charles Xavier who isn't played by Patrick Stewart or James McAvoy. The whole idea of his mind moving to another body was such an... OFFENSIVE Deus Ex stretch as it was. Reviving Jean and Cyclops would be horrendous ("lolz jk they din't die afterall"). Storm won't return because wasn't there an issue with HB demanding too much money? I can't really see Anna Paquin reviving her role now that she's got such a good thing going with True Blood. I think Shawn Ashmore would come back, not sure about Ellen Page.

TLS offended so many people, comic fans and ordinary moviegoers alike, that there isn't any X4 they could make after it that would reassure people. They gave themselves a dead end in terms of most of the characters and in terms of the "current timeline" X-Men being entertaining. X-Men: First class did poorly at the box office because ordinary movie goers remembered how bad TLS was (perhaps moreso than Origins). If they are only going to make one non-Wolverine/Deadpool X-Men movie, which makes the most sense: following up a horribly-received movie that killed off 3 of the main characters and prevents Patrick Stewart from reprising his role, or following up a very favorably reviewed preboot that did alright at the box office despite the bare minimum of marketing and truly shameful first-look posters? If they put effort into marketing for FC2 like they have the other movies, I think it would easily surpass The Last Stand's earnings. Heck, I think FC1 will probably end its run just 100M shy of TLS's worldwide tally which is not bad at all considering, again, all the things this movie had working against it (marketing, "unknown" actors, 2 wretched movies that came before it, competing with a summer jampacked with heavy hitters).

XTLS and XO were not up to standard and hated by fans. General people were ok with them. They are not die hard and kept thinking about the movie over and over and keep comparing them to comic books, their own idea etc.

XFC is a good movie. It does not make as much money because simply there are too many interesting movies this summer, period. No one thinks about previous X-men movies anymore except fans who will continue to complain about it for yearsssssss to come.

It's X-men universe. Resurrection and mind swapping are not that big of deal. How many times did these characters die and come back in the comics ?

[blueserenity]

XTLS and XO were not up to standard and hated by fans. General people were ok with them. They are not die hard and kept thinking about the movie over and over and keep comparing them to comic books, their own idea etc.

XFC is a good movie. It does not make as much money because simply there are too many interesting movies this summer, period. No one thinks about previous X-men movies anymore except fans who will continue to complain about it for yearsssssss to come.

It's X-men universe. Resurrection and mind swapping are not that big of deal. How many times did these characters die and come back in the comics ?

Untrue. I've never read a single comic book and I hated TLS exclusively for being a terrible movie. My friends have as much experience with comic books as I do and share my dislike of the film. Things like "what's canon" or what X-Men was in it was never a factor for me. I just liked the first two movies. I'd venture that the majority of people who see these movies aren't comic fans. They probably get the gist of the storyline ("it's about mutants") or may have watched one of the old cartoons. But not comic book fans.

To that end, it'd be illogical and frustrating to retcon stuff with resurrection and such. The comics offer multiple simultaneous universes, right? And there must be hundreds or thousands of volumes. There's a lot of time to give resurrection weight and credibility or make a character go on a journey to achieve that power blah blah blah in a comic. But if you have 2 hours to tell a story you can't quite do that. And if you just snap your fingers and go BOOM, mind swapped! or BOOM, resurrected!, death becomes irrelevant. If THAT happens, how can you worry about the characters?

I don't give TLS much thought, it was a terrible movie that I walked out on when I saw it in theatres 5 years ago and that was that. But when presented with the idea that it could have a sequel vs First Class, I just have to say something :P

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Untrue. I've never read a single comic book and I hated TLS exclusively for being a terrible movie. My friends have as much experience with comic books as I do and share my dislike of the film. Things like "what's canon" or what X-Men was in it was never a factor for me. I just liked the first two movies. I'd venture that the majority of people who see these movies aren't comic fans. They probably get the gist of the storyline ("it's about mutants") or may have watched one of the old cartoons. But not comic book fans.

To that end, it'd be illogical and frustrating to retcon stuff with resurrection and such. The comics offer multiple simultaneous universes, right? And there must be hundreds or thousands of volumes. There's a lot of time to give resurrection weight and credibility or make a character go on a journey to achieve that power blah blah blah in a comic. But if you have 2 hours to tell a story you can't quite do that. And if you just snap your fingers and go BOOM, mind swapped! or BOOM, resurrected!, death becomes irrelevant. If THAT happens, how can you worry about the characters?

I don't give TLS much thought, it was a terrible movie that I walked out on when I saw it in theatres 5 years ago and that was that. But when presented with the idea that it could have a sequel vs First Class, I just have to say something :P

And I've never met a person outside of the interwebz that takes such issue with X-Men: The Last Stand. Most general audience members don't have much issue with the movie, and in fact I've had plenty tell me to "get over it" (i.e.: the changes from the source material like Cyclops dying) because the movie was good.

These X-Men movies don't mean nearly as much to the mainstream movie audience as they do to interwebz X-Men fans. To them, it's just another comic book movie. They aren't worried about Cyclops dying, Phoenix not being 100% accurate to the comics, or Brett Ratner pacing his movie fast.

[henzINNIT]

I love talking about "most people" and what they think.

[Angamb]

cant we vote for Third Class instead of Second Class?

:woot:

[ciscostudent561]

lol did this guy just say most people liked the last stand? lmao no

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Believe it or not, not everyone has the same tastes as interwebz fanboys.

[esotaric]

Believe it or not, not everyone has the same tastes as interwebz fanboys.

This, if DVD sales for first class goes well, the general audience might be more interested in this "prequel trilogy" if FC sequel ever gets made that is.

[nite-owl]

X-Men 4

[blueserenity]

And I've never met a person outside of the interwebz that takes such issue with X-Men: The Last Stand. Most general audience members don't have much issue with the movie, and in fact I've had plenty tell me to "get over it" (i.e.: the changes from the source material like Cyclops dying) because the movie was good.

These X-Men movies don't mean nearly as much to the mainstream movie audience as they do to interwebz X-Men fans. To them, it's just another comic book movie. They aren't worried about Cyclops dying, Phoenix not being 100% accurate to the comics, or Brett Ratner pacing his movie fast.

You and I are destined to do this forever. :dry:

Also you're arguing my exact point in the second paragraph. TLS is disliked for being a bad movie, not because "you can't kill off Cyclops!!" or whatever. I am not an internet fanboy and neither is anyone I know (at least not for X-Men). I just really liked the first two movies, hated the two that followed, and loved the third one. My feelings on each one are mercifully devoid of comic and even cartoon attachments.

Like I've said before though, they've really shot themselves in the foot killing off Patrick Stewart's character. His presence in the films was probably a selling point.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You and I are destined to do this forever. :dry:

Also you're arguing my exact point in the second paragraph. TLS is disliked for being a bad movie, not because "you can't kill off Cyclops!!" or whatever. I am not an internet fanboy and neither is anyone I know (at least not for X-Men). I just really liked the first two movies, hated the two that followed, and loved the third one. My feelings on each one are mercifully devoid of comic and even cartoon attachments.

Like I've said before though, they've really shot themselves in the foot killing off Patrick Stewart's character. His presence in the films was probably a selling point.

But I'm telling you the general audience doesn't generally feel that way.

Yea, you may know a couple people. Over the course of 5 years, living in 2 different states, and the many different types of people I have encountered, I have not experienced that same level of hatred from people in real life that I have experienced from the internet fanboy community. I think I can combine for about 3 people combined that dislike X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and one of those people dislikes X-Men period and doesn't find anything special about them, and often goes on anti-X-Men rants to get a rise out of me. Even most of the "fanboys" that I encounter in real life are of the mindset that "outside of Cyclops dying, the movie wasn't bad".

I just can't personally believe that the general audience hates those 2 movies so badly when I get nothing but positive reactions about those 2 movies constantly, or at worst, indifference. Never once have I had a conversation with someone in real life about how horrid and awful those movies were.

[blueserenity]

But I'm telling you the general audience doesn't generally feel that way.

Yea, you may know a couple people. Over the course of 5 years, living in 2 different states, and the many different types of people I have encountered, I have not experienced that same level of hatred from people in real life that I have experienced from the internet fanboy community.

I've lived in 3 countries and 4 cities in the last 5 years, does that mean I win :awesome:? This is really not a valid argument. The number of people you know is not based on how many places you've lived in in a set timeframe. The number of people you know is actually irrelevant as it's not a good representation of the general public.

This will be my last reply on this matter to you. I can accept you don't know many IRL who dislike the film, and you will have to accept the fact that I don't know anyone who enjoyed it.

I don't HATE the film, for the record. I would be pretty pissed if they gave it a sequel instead of FC though. The older trilogy had its time in movie history. It's time to start fresh.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I've lived in 3 countries and 4 cities in the last 5 years, does that mean I win :awesome:? This is really not a valid argument. The number of people you know is not based on how many places you've lived in in a set timeframe. The number of people you know is actually irrelevant as it's not a good representation of the general public.

This will be my last reply on this matter to you. I can accept you don't know many IRL who dislike the film, and you will have to accept the fact that I don't know anyone who enjoyed it.

I don't HATE the film, for the record. I would be pretty pissed if they gave it a sequel instead of FC though. The older trilogy had its time in movie history. It's time to start fresh.

Maybe :)

I guess it's not even just people I know, but also customers that I encountered when I worked at the DVD store when X-Men: The Last Stand came out on DVD and it was a top seller for quite awhile and people were always talking about how awesome the movie was.

I think we can agree though that the original trilogy's time is up. I don't think there's a need to "start fresh", just letting the franchise end is perfectly fine as well - all things have to end eventually. But if more movies absolutely have to be made, then continuing from X-Men: First Class I agree is absolutely the way to continue.

[X-Maniac]

Yes, tastes vary. At the time, TLS was clearly intended to be the end of the road in terms of films set in the present day. I enjoyed TLS but there are many things it could have done better to align itself with the previous two films, but what's done is done.

It's possible to continue the story, of course. And clearly they have ideas with the X4/X5 they have been talking about.

[marvelrobbins]

There are plenty of people who dislike Last Stand.At Best we can say It had mixed reaction from People.There are those In the General audence who like It but others don't.Just like some people online need to accept there are people who like the Star Wars Prequels and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystall Skull some have to accept there are those who enjoy the Last Stand.I personally consider the Last Stand as worst In the series,and can actully enjoy watching wolverine more.Neither film are anywhere In My oporion close to being In the league as X-Men,X2,and First Class.

The franchise Isn't ending anytime soon.If X4/X5 get beyond the talk they will not be alternate versions of X3.They will almost certainly be based on Days of Future Past.Even If Fox allows Bryan Singer to pull a Superman Returns with The Last Stand(whick they are doing with Wolverine) It's going to be a brand new story set several years later.The advantage of Ignoring the Last Stand Is we could get the lineup that was alive at end of X2 with maybe Gambit being reintroduced.Even If the last Stand remains In conunity with X4 they won't be spending a lot of time be connected to the Last Stand.People also keep forgeting that the post Credits scene of the Last Stand had Xavier waking up In body which according to commantary was his brain dead twin brother.There Is actully precent for this In comics.To survive the Brood Xavier was cloned and his mind placed In clone body.This Is how In the 1980's he regained the ability to walk.The Twin Brother Idea came from when they suddenly In Grant Morrison's regin they had the very contorvleted Twin Sister Idea.

I would prefer the return of the Jedi of X-Men films not be Last Stand.Seeing the Sentinles and several of the characters reunited are other reasons to do It.

I can live with X4 not being made and only having The Wolverine,Deadpool,and First Class sequels to look forward to.I already have three really good films with X-Men,X2 and First Class.If that goes up to 7 I am happy.I have no Intrest In a reboot anytime soon.

[Angamb]

X4 can be epic and amazing.

But at the same time, I think that if Third Class includes Scott, Jean and Ororo and is amazing, it would be cool to make a last sequel with them.

Having young Scott, Jean and Ororo on just one sequel would be kind of sad. Specially if the movie turns out to be excelent.

But if they do just a trilogy, I will be fine with it too, I suppose.

[marvelrobbins]

Especilly If they make Cyclops the member of third class with the most focus,and show how he and Jean fell In Love.And show how he rises to be team Leader.

I am fan of Cyclops but also remember he hasn't always been well served by those In the comics.I am also glad Emma Frost Is older so there Is no chance of romance.I always hated how they destroyed scott and Jean to put him with emma.And If they did a reboot my fear would be they wouldn't even use Jean and focus on Emma as female telepath and her Involved with Scott.

[ciscostudent561]

Especilly If they make Cyclops the member of third class with the most focus,and show how he and Jean fell In Love.And show how he rises to be team Leader.

I am fan of Cyclops but also remember he hasn't always been well served by those In the comics.I am also glad Emma Frost Is older so there Is no chance of romance.I always hated how they destroyed scott and Jean to put him with emma.And If they did a reboot my fear would be they wouldn't even use Jean and focus on Emma as female telepath and her Involved with Scott.

Dude let go lol...
I'd like the same thing too but the more you expect that the movie be like the comic the more disappointed you become. All in all as long as the film is good- I like it

[Sebastos]

A First Class sequel, no question. Of course X4 later down the road but it's not something I heavily anticipate.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Dude let go lol...
I'd like the same thing too but the more you expect that the movie be like the comic the more disappointed you become. All in all as long as the film is good- I like it

This is how X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine became so hated. So many fan expectations that when they didn't get met, caused chaos.

[Superhero 101]

I want to See a First Class Sequel but i also really want to see X4 properly done with a good director possibly Singer. I just hate that the X Trilogy ended with The Last Stand.

[henzINNIT]

This is how X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine became so hated. So many fan expectations that when they didn't get met, caused chaos.

There's also the far lesser quality of those films, don't forget that factor. I don't think there was a lot of expectations for Wolverine after TLS and yet many were still disappointed.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

There's also the far lesser quality of those films, don't forget that factor. I don't think there was a lot of expectations for Wolverine after TLS and yet many were still disappointed.

While I won't deny that the actual film making is better in Singer's films, the quality in the others isn't as low as some people make it out to be.

[ThanosOfTitans]

X4. I enjoyed First Class, but I honestly have no interest in any of the new characters it established.

[fallenAngel]

So I've been watching X-men TAS on netflix and have found it positively shocking to see something with the name X-men on it that features Cyclops so heavily. I'm serious, I had long since forgotten.

But personal grudge aside, really the one thing that I hate, and I mean absolutely loath about the Last Stand as a movie and not a comic book adaption is the last two scenes of the movie. The cure may not have worked? Xavier has implanted his mind into his "brain dead twin brother?" (the very idea of this is so retarded it makes me wish I was brain dead. Its the big budget equivalent of putting a question mark on "The End.") If the filmmakers knew how much they were going to piss of the fan base then why bother at all. Either show your conviction to your controversial (and some would argue unavoidable decisions) and make people understand and accept them or pull a Mathew Vaughn and get the heck out of the production while you still can. Or better yet, don't pull off an hour and forty minute tease of a much better, and albeit great movie. A lot of critics loved the cure idea, it really did make for instant built in drama worthy of a film series climax.

But they were scared of their own ideas, its ridiculous.

anyway, I think people who say that the trilogy was done with Last Stand are right, but there is no reason to feel that a sequel with the remaining characters can't be made. They can set it several years later and actually make characters out of Iceman, Colossus and Kitty. These characters alone are still much more popular and engaging than Havok and Banshee. Plus they have Angel too. They just need to recast and take the story in a new direction, which I personally would find much better than the Xavier vs. Magneto retread that unfortunately a first class sequel will probably deal with.

And the whole Last Stand is hated/loved by random people debate is kind of pointless by this point. I know plenty of people who liked the movie, as I know plenty (and I mean plenty) who thought First Class was okay at best and really didn't give a **** about it. But I will say that even those who liked Last Stand always bring up the callous killing of characters (mainly Scott, who even non comic readers recognized as an important character) as a negative. And strong one. They may not lose sleep, but there is no one who would ever defend such a stupid decision. But trying to get millions of viewers on your own side to prove a point is not only impossible but the very nature of the debate brings one and only one conclusion and that is reactions were "mixed." Done and done.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So I've been watching X-men TAS on netflix and have found it positively shocking to see something with the name X-men on it that features Cyclops so heavily. I'm serious, I had long since forgotten.

But personal grudge aside, really the one thing that I hate, and I mean absolutely loath about the Last Stand as a movie and not a comic book adaption is the last two scenes of the movie. The cure may not have worked? Xavier has implanted his mind into his "brain dead twin brother?" (the very idea of this is so retarded it makes me wish I was brain dead. Its the big budget equivalent of putting a question mark on "The End.") If the filmmakers knew how much they were going to piss of the fan base then why bother at all. Either show your conviction to your controversial (and some would argue unavoidable decisions) and make people understand and accept them or pull a Mathew Vaughn and get the heck out of the production while you still can. Or better yet, don't pull off an hour and forty minute tease of a much better, and albeit great movie. A lot of critics loved the cure idea, it really did make for instant built in drama worthy of a film series climax.

But they were scared of their own ideas, its ridiculous.

anyway, I think people who say that the trilogy was done with Last Stand are right, but there is no reason to feel that a sequel with the remaining characters can't be made. They can set it several years later and actually make characters out of Iceman, Colossus and Kitty. These characters alone are still much more popular and engaging than Havok and Banshee. Plus they have Angel too. They just need to recast and take the story in a new direction, which I personally would find much better than the Xavier vs. Magneto retread that unfortunately a first class sequel will probably deal with.

And the whole Last Stand is hated/loved by random people debate is kind of pointless by this point. I know plenty of people who liked the movie, as I know plenty (and I mean plenty) who thought First Class was okay at best and really didn't give a **** about it. But I will say that even those who liked Last Stand always bring up the callous killing of characters (mainly Scott, who even non comic readers recognized as an important character) as a negative. And strong one. They may not lose sleep, but there is no one who would ever defend such a stupid decision. But trying to get millions of viewers on your own side to prove a point is not only impossible but the very nature of the debate brings one and only one conclusion and that is reactions were "mixed." Done and done.

I do agree greatly with the part that I bolded. That was rather ridiculous of them.

Now, I have a couple theories as to why I can personally accept Magneto still having his powers, while keeping the cure very much permanent, but they are just that - personal theories - that I'm sure weren't the film makers intent. Those scenes reeked of Kinberg and Penn wanted to seem "cool".

[The Guard]

The cure not working makes perfect sense metaphorically speaking. You cannot just cure differences. I'm glad they put that in the film. I don't think it was put there to be "cool" any more than I think any of the other social commentary and talk about differences was in THE LAST STAND to be "cool".

The Xavier thing gave me pause originally, and I still don't love it and think its fairly cheesy, but it makes sense in the context of the film...and it's a deliciously "Xavier" moment. I almost thought they were setting us up for Xavier as the villain in a possible sequel. That or clones.

[blueserenity]

Why is a Charles/Erik retread a bad thing? They handled it incredibly well in FC and really fleshed it out. Despite loving X-Men and X2 for what they are, the most interesting part of the whole film series for me is now Charles and Erik's frenemance. The characters in the old movie strike me as flat in comparison. Honestly I find them so interesting that if they did a whole movie for them devoid of explosions and powers, I'd watch it. I can't say that for any of the other characters.

What is it you're hoping to see in the next film (be it FC 2 or X4)?

[fallenAngel]

I wonder if you find them flat because they are older. Youth has a way of being more dramatic because it has more possibilities and less cynicism. But I think that is what is interesting about having sort of both trilogies. You see how when people get older they become more stubborn and close minded.

I personally don't really care if there is a sequel to one or the other as long as it is good. But the question was rather see. I would rather see an X4 based almost solely on the fact that there are better characters from the comics in the original trilogy. I love Magneto but he isn't the only character I want developed.

as far as what I want to see out of a future X-men movie? Don't have any larger plot ideas and none of these are exclusive to either an X4 or First Class sequel (on a side note, lets not call it second class, that just draws attention to its lack of power players and would be way too easy for a reviewer to make jokes.) But I would like to see:

Sentinels as a villain. Obvious chance for a true team battle, (see incredibles)

and I want to see more young mutants (or mutants in general) trying to live in the real world with the more basic prejudices they face. It doesn't always have to be about mass extinction. Teen angst gets annoying, but when its someone like Rogue its pretty hard not to sympathize. I would like to see more day to day stuff outside the mansion.

Also I think having characters like Pietro and Wanda dealing with a deranged super villain father could make for a new interesting dynamic. (not sure how this would work in the movieverse though)

If its a first class sequel, going back to my first sentence a little bit I really want to have more of a sense of young people really wanting to change the world. For some reason watching First Class it didn't seem all that hopeful for the future. I want these characters to be a bit more optimistic and not just naive. Really fight for their beliefs in a better future.

[psylockolussus]

I think we can agree though that the original trilogy's time is up.

I disagree with this. Every time there's a new X-prequel film, people are like "is it X-Men 4?!".

Wolverine and First Class didn't even gross $200 million in US alone. People are still interested in X-Men 4. Its just the fans that are eager for a reboot because they talk about this stuffs for like all the time.

[merbass]

The cure not working makes perfect sense metaphorically speaking. You cannot just cure differences. I'm glad they put that in the film. I don't think it was put there to be "cool" any more than I think any of the other social commentary and talk about differences was in THE LAST STAND to be "cool".

The Xavier thing gave me pause originally, and I still don't love it and think its fairly cheesy, but it makes sense in the context of the film...and it's a deliciously "Xavier" moment. I almost thought they were setting us up for Xavier as the villain in a possible sequel. That or clones.


That's exactly what is so good about the cure not working. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see this. The cure never meant to work. You can't cure us. We are not disease !

[henzINNIT]

That's exactly what is so good about the cure not working. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see this. The cure never meant to work. You can't cure us. We are not disease !

Truth. The cure not working is necessary and a great springboard for a 4th film too in my opinion. If X4 needs to reference TLS in any way it should be that.

[Drz]

I'm going for First Class 2, because X4 would have to do alot of introductions to new characters as so many died by the end, wheres First Class has alot of stories to tell that people are now very excited for.

[merbass]

Truth. The cure not working is necessary and a great springboard for a 4th film too in my opinion. If X4 needs to reference TLS in any way it should be that.

I even think that they can even embrace what happened in X3 with the consequence in X4. The cure in XFC enhanced the power, so why not the cure in X3.

This way Rogue, Mystique and Magneto could come back even stronger !

[henzINNIT]

Rogue should definitely get an upgrade once her powers return. If not a direct side-effect of the vure wearing off, she could come into contact with an unfortunate soul and drain them.

The repercussions of the faulty cure would massively damage Human/Mutant relations. I think it should be used as the catalyst for new defensive measures against mutants (Sentinels etc). Fun fun.

[X Knight]

Right now, I would have to say First Class 2.

However, that would all depend on what the story is for X4. If they bring back Psylocke for X4, I will forgive them for X3........:o

[Angamb]

A real lover from the comics, its characters, arcs and themes, should know that both sequels could end being great movies, done by the right director.

But thinking more like a studio executive that is happy with FC critics and boxoffice to date, the sequel to FC would be the most logical option right now. The audience has loved the movie, so give them a continuation and see how it works. It has a big potential in terms of boxoffice, so Fox shouldnt let it die just with one prequel.

[X-Maniac]

X4 is less urgent. If it's set in the future with an older set of characters, then it doesn't matter if the actors get older!

But I'd love to see both 'paths' of the X-Men happen - more from the 60s (and later) with Vaughn directing (and given much more time) and also an X4/X5 with Singer directing.

[YoungE808]

I disagree with this. Every time there's a new X-prequel film, people are like "is it X-Men 4?!".

Wolverine and First Class didn't even gross $200 million in US alone. People are still interested in X-Men 4. Its just the fans that are eager for a reboot because they talk about this stuffs for like all the time.

I've never heard of anyone reacting that way. Most people can know whether or not the next x-men film is a prequel or sequel just by going to to check their email on Yahoo/Wherever, which I presume would be the majority of people who would be going to see an x-men movie. Then again, not all websites that include email have a convenient scroller for news.

[henzINNIT]

X4 is less urgent. If it's set in the future with an older set of characters, then it doesn't matter if the actors get older!


Ehhh I don't know. McKellen and Stewart are very important to the franchise and they may not want to do a new film too far into the future. Also, Jackman is aging well but still not as well as his character would be.

[psylockolussus]

I'm going for First Class 2, because X4 would have to do alot of introductions to new characters as so many died by the end, wheres First Class has alot of stories to tell that people are now very excited for.

Too many news characters? They only need to introduce 1 new character in the X-Men roster and it should be Psylocke and then just give Colossus and Angel more character development. And then 1 main villain and 3-4 supporting villains. Its not too many.

[psylockolussus]

Ehhh I don't know. McKellen and Stewart are very important to the franchise and they may not want to do a new film too far into the future. Also, Jackman is aging well but still not as well as his character would be.

I think they should not bring back McKellen and Stewart in X4. Magneto was depowered and Professor X was killed. Even though Magneto's powers came back and Professor X moved into another body. I would prefer to see the X-Men in their own for at least 1 movie, without Magneto as the antagonist and Professor X as their mentor.

[Angamb]

agreed, psylock.

Maybe Charles, but with an appareance in the last part of the movie, to be developed in a possible next sequel.

X4 about the X-men alone!

It would be really interesting.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If they HAVE to make an X-Men 4, and in the process they HAVE to bring back the characters who met certain fates in X-Men: The Last Stand, here's how I would personally do it:

-Xavier, Cyclops trapped in Astral Plane
Jean's powers trapped the minds of those she "killed" in the Astral Plane. From here, I would go with a story arc similar to that of X-Men Legends, and I would have Moira, on Muir Island, with the help of Forge, create a portal that would allow the X-Men to go into the Astral Plane to rescue Xavier and Cyclops. Moira would be involved with this because of Xavier trying to contact her through the brain dead patient. However, he wouldn't fully be able to return from the Astral Plane, and thus, Moira and Forge work on a portal to the Astral Plane, and the X-Men go into the Astral Plane to rescue Xavier and Cyclops. This arc leads for a potential Shadow King confrontation, as well as potential returns of Banshee (even as a cameo) and Emma Frost, depending on what story arc you want to take.

-Magneto is too powerful for the cure
X-Men: The Last Stand introduced the movie universe to the concept of mutant "classes". Magneto is established to be a Class 4 (Callisto: "There are 87 mutants in here, and none of them are above a Class 3, other than you two"; Xavier: "Jean is the only Class 5 mutant I've ever encountered"). I think that it would be pretty realistic to assume that Leech was not a Class 4 mutant. Therefore, my theory is that Magneto is able to regain his powers because the cure, extracted from Leech's DNA, was not powerful enough to permanently cure someone as powerful as Magneto. However, Rogue and Mystique could be established as Class 3 mutants, weak enough for the cure to be permanent.

An alternate theory, but would probably be much more cheesy to explain, would be that when Beast put the needles into Magneto, they never penetrated Magneto's costume, and the cure was never actually injected into his blood. Magneto's reaction on Alcatraz would be from the fact that he was in such shock over the thought of being cured, but he never actually was.

That said, I'd still prefer that they just continue on from X-Men: First Class if they absolutely need to continue the franchise. I prefer the characters of the main trilogy greatly over the characters of the First Class series, but their story has been told. It's over.

I think the best course now is to continue on with the Havok, Banshee, and Beast core of characters, slowly introducing some other characters from the comics that we haven't yet seen, and explore this story arc. If the X-Men: First Class series truly does go long enough, then we can tie it all together in the last movie with a shot of Xavier's new class of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm or something.

I wouldn't mind seeing Sentinels or the Mutant Massacre adapted in some way in First Class sequels though. In fact, I think a First Class era Mutant Massacre would be an awesome way to bring Gambit back into the storyline. William Stryker is essentially the Mr. Sinister of the X-Men movies, and Gambit has obviously been involved with Stryker in some way (his file on Stryker's computer in X2, as well as his entire arc in X-Men Origins: Wolverine), I think having him lead the Mutant Massacre under Stryker's command could be a pretty compelling storyline.

[PWN3R]

Would I rather watch a Halle Berry/Hugh Jackman centered film? Or would I want Dat Fass back as Magneto, and McAvoy dreaming it up as Xavier?

Really? This is a choice for some people? I love opinions.

[Angamb]

After seeing FC for second time today, I want the sequel more than ever.

This cast is amazing, and the characters are fresh, so I want to see them again, in a bigger and more complex sequel yet.

[fallenAngel]

If they HAVE to make an X-Men 4, and in the process they HAVE to bring back the characters who met certain fates in X-Men: The Last Stand, here's how I would personally do it:

-Xavier, Cyclops trapped in Astral Plane
Jean's powers trapped the minds of those she "killed" in the Astral Plane. From here, I would go with a story arc similar to that of X-Men Legends, and I would have Moira, on Muir Island, with the help of Forge, create a portal that would allow the X-Men to go into the Astral Plane to rescue Xavier and Cyclops. Moira would be involved with this because of Xavier trying to contact her through the brain dead patient. However, he wouldn't fully be able to return from the Astral Plane, and thus, Moira and Forge work on a portal to the Astral Plane, and the X-Men go into the Astral Plane to rescue Xavier and Cyclops. This arc leads for a potential Shadow King confrontation, as well as potential returns of Banshee (even as a cameo) and Emma Frost, depending on what story arc you want to take.

-Magneto is too powerful for the cure
X-Men: The Last Stand introduced the movie universe to the concept of mutant "classes". Magneto is established to be a Class 4 (Callisto: "There are 87 mutants in here, and none of them are above a Class 3, other than you two"; Xavier: "Jean is the only Class 5 mutant I've ever encountered"). I think that it would be pretty realistic to assume that Leech was not a Class 4 mutant. Therefore, my theory is that Magneto is able to regain his powers because the cure, extracted from Leech's DNA, was not powerful enough to permanently cure someone as powerful as Magneto. However, Rogue and Mystique could be established as Class 3 mutants, weak enough for the cure to be permanent.


That would actually make sense about the cure. Personally for an X4 I don't really want to see Magneto (even though I love both Fassbender's and McKellens Mags, I really want some new villains) But that could be a way of bringing him back later. Even though neither he nor patrick stewart are getting any younger.

The Astral Plane would be trippy and out there, but I think this is a much better way of bringing back those characters than cloning or whatever, or by expecting us to believe that Cyclops was just knocked out the whole movie. They could even have Jean's consciousness in there to help give proper closure to her and Scott's relationship.

If they make both movies they could even work on a way of Emma Frost helping to get Charles back. Setting her up in a First Class sequel to become an X-woman or ally eventually.

I never liked any of peoples reasons for the cure not working/resurrecting dead characters, mainly because I thought it would cheapen the Last Stand even more.

But both of these ideas/explanations are not half bad.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Thanks.

Before X-Men: First Class, I actually did have Emma as part of my version, because yea, I felt that Astral Plane and telepathic struggling needed some Emma. I think I had her coming in as a former colleague of Xavier's who was coming to help take over the school after his death, but of course, she had her own agenda as well.

But honestly, I think those characters would be better served to be left alone at this point. Even if there are some good ideas, in the end it still just serves to undo an entire movie, and I think that making a movie to undo another movie is even worse than the first movie ****ing things up to the point that they need to be undone. For better or worse, the characters of the main X-Men trilogy have had closure.

Now, we've introduced an entirely new set of characters with the Havok, Banshee, Beast X-Men team, and while that's happening, the main character from the main trilogy is getting his own series of movies (he's already one film deep, and getting ready to get his 2nd).

Let the main trilogy exist as is. The only character from that who's really not gonna get much else is Storm, but she was brought to closure as well, taking over Xavier's spot at his school. Sure that should have been Cyclops, but I think that's a pretty fitting end for her character. Iceman, Colossus, and Kitty Pryde were never shown to be anything more than supporting characters, so it'd be difficulty to all of a sudden make them major players.

Wolverine has his own series of films, and considering the Japan saga they are going in next, it could take place either before, or after, the main trilogy. Either way, Wolverine is being put to use.

Xavier and Magneto are being put to use in the First Class series, and have introduced Havok and Banshee, as well as re-introduced Beast, who was shown in X-Men: The Last Stand to be an older member from before the main trilogy.

I think the First Class period can give us some good stories. Like I said, I think Mutant Massacre could fit well. I think, if done right, Sentinels could even work. But ideally, I'd love to see a Friends of Humanity fused with Mutant Massacre that leads into a version of Sentinels.

Or... we don't get anymore X-Men movies, and I'm fine with that too. but really, all I want, and I've stated this before, that if we do continue to get new X-Men movies, that they don't start contradicting and undoing previous movies. You don't have to go out of your way to tie into the already existing story, you can have your own story, but don't go out of your way to contradict what's already been established, either.

As much as I wanted Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, and Beast to be the "first class", I'm actually starting to like the idea of a completely separate team with Havok, Banshee, and Beast, as well as whatever other characters get brought into the mix in the future, while leaving Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Storm to the main trilogy. We've even seen how Cyclops and Jean Grey were recruited by Xavier, so we don't even need the First Class movies to go into that. If they do bring them in, I'd say at the end of whatever is going to be the last First Class movie, just have a quick scene of Xavier welcoming his new student recruits, and having them be Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Storm.

[BattleCat]

First class for me. The original trilogy (which was 1 for 3 imo) has had a take on the x franchise already.

[Skedoodles]

Definitely First class 2, but I hope they come up with a more clever name than that. First class is actually what got me interested in the x-men universe. The other x-men movies were somewhat entertaining, though the last stand sucked badly, but first class was much more engaging. I also would be interested in seeing how xavier progresses over the years, if there is a first class 2.

[the_wolf_nears]

A sequel to First Class, hands down. If they insist with an X4, Have X3 booted out of the continuity and make a sequel to X2.

(although, X3 is already out of the canon. Xavier was walking and still friends with Magneto at the beginning of the movie)

[ChewySoup]

We really need an X4 to smooth out some of the things left in question after X3. I uber-hyped for an XMFC 2. But I'd like to see X4 first.

[Green Ghost]

After the undewhelming X3, I am not even interested in X4 in general. Jean, my favorite character is dead and it would probably be another Wolverine feature, with Storm as co-star. The third one just ruined this timeline for me...

But First Class on the other hand is so fresh and interesting and it made me really like the characters I never cared for before (Magneto, Beast, Banshee, Moira). I want to see more of them and the other I like (Havok, Emma), so a First Class sequel would be way more interesting for me!

[psylockolussus]

Well I do hope by 2015, they already released 2nd class or X4.

[Ultra Lantern]

X-Men: First Class

[Angamb]

I kind of lost interest in X4, surprisingly.

after all this months I feel like I need to see how the characters from First Class evolve after some years

and I need more screentime from the young x-men, more dialogue scenes and team action, bigger action yet, and of course a new girl on the team.

I think Id enjoy second class even more than FC, since I already know these new characters.

[marvelrobbins]

It doesn't matter X4 Is not happening anytime soon.

[Mako]

I would love to see both but I just don't see X4 happening anytime soon.

[psylockolussus]

Looks like we are getting a mix of FC2 & X4.

I just hope after DOFP we finally get a X-Men 4 movie :D!

[Angamb]

would be really interesting to do this poll again some months after Days of future past release.

Im sure the numbers will change a little bit, hehe

[marvelrobbins]

days of future Past Is both X4 and first Class 2.

[BobJM]

No to FC2 and X4.

Fox should continue this trend and have an epic AoA adaptation (with old & new cast) that dwarfs DOFP completely and caps this current franchise.

Then reboot down the road or keep mixing old and new. It's a good mix and it really plays up a dynamic not really seen in many comic book films nowadays and can finally help the X-Men shed their "humdrum" status and elevate to full comic glory.

[Asteroid-Man]

Am I the only one who wants DOFP to change things in such a way that Singer can then do his own X3?

[psylockolussus]

Am I the only one who wants DOFP to change things in such a way that Singer can then do his own X3?

A lot of fans want that but I think its time to move on with new stories. The Phoenix Saga in X3 sucked and no need to redo that with Bryan Singer.

[Asteroid-Man]

What if his X4 opens by talking about how the events of DOFP changed things, and there's like a ten minute recap of how the Phoenix Saga was affected, resulting in Xavier still being alive, Cyclops being alive, and Jean in a coma?

[BMM]

Hopefully, they don't even need to go that far. By the end of Days of Future Past, hopefully we're left with the idea that things have changed. I don't see them tackling Singer's X-Men 3, but I think the idea is that they won't be entirely limited by the events of the previous films anymore.

[psylockolussus]

What if his X4 opens by talking about how the events of DOFP changed things, and there's like a ten minute recap of how the Phoenix Saga was affected, resulting in Xavier still being alive, Cyclops being alive, and Jean in a coma?

Xavier will be alive in DOFP since they are bringing back Patrick Stewart. Jean being in a coma again would be repetitive and with Cyclops, they could create a whole story for X4 on why he disappeared.

[M-2]

If they do X4 why would they have to address any changes to the way things ended in Last Stand? The way I see it, X4 would be a whole new story on its own, as essentially they would be in a changed Future/Present. So the story would pick up with the same characters from the Original Trilogy but they wouldnt be bound to that narrative.

At the end of DOFP the First Class characters should be left wondering if they changed the future. Therefore that first few moments of X4 would be confirmation that the world had in fact changed and that this is a whole new world from the Original Trilogy. So Cyclops and Jean could be alive since this would be an alternative future.