Is Emma Frost stronger than Charles

[TheHighlander]

Just wondering?

After seeing the movie a second time, i feel that emma is stronger than charles.... Anyone got that impression?

Thanks

[King_Frost]

I think they have the same level of telepathy.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think that she is more powerful than Charles, it just seems to me that she is more used to using her powers in an offensive type manner, whereas Charles spent the early part of his life seemingly using his powers for playful type things, like flirting with girls in bars.

[TheHighlander]

Could be.... which reinforces my position. At that point in time Emma was stronger than Charles.

[merbass]

Emma couldn't even fought Magento at his point, so I doubt her power is stronger.

[Loganbabe]

Emma's power was nowhere near Charles' telepathic ability. She blocked him twice while on diamond form, but he did amazing things throughout the film.

[ciscostudent561]

Charles shut down the entire CIA with a thought...

Based Off of accomplishments I don't think it's close.

[Eddie Dean]

Have you seen how skinny January Jones' legs are? James McAvoy may not be a body builder, but I bet he could bench press more than Betty Draper ever could.

[Mako]

Have you seen how skinny January Jones' legs are? James McAvoy may not be a body builder, but I bet he could bench press more than Betty Draper ever could.

:hehe: and No I don't think Emma was as powerful has Charles.

[merbass]

I'm sure they will mind fight one another in X-men Class 2.

[Pink Ranger]

Maybe at this point of the story Emma is a more powerful telepath (as previously mentioned, because she uses her powers a lot more for practical uses), but in the end we know who's the more powerful one.

[SuperFerret]

No, she's not more powerful, or stronger, or anything like that. She's more skilled at using her telepathy offensively and defensively, at that time, but Xavier's always more powerful than she is.

[the a1ant]

Charles is definitely the more powerful telepath, but Emma has the advantage of turning into her diamond-form to block him out. If it was just the two of them battling it out, Emma would easily kick his butt. Just my opinion. :cwink: But again, in terms of telepathy, Charles is stronger.

[chaseter]

Emma was more powerful than Charles for the simple fact that she could block his powers. But, at that time, it seemed Charles had only been using his powers as other have mentioned, recreationally while Emma had been using and developing her tactfully.

Charles would lose a 1v1 fight against Emma unless he catches her off guard or they battle it out on the psychic plane. Otherwise, all she has to do is block his telepathy and then turn into a diamond and beat the crap out of him.

[Angamb]

I agree. Emma seemed more powerfull. At least until this moment in Charles life.

Maybe in the sequel Charles start doing bigger things with his mind.

And hopefully against Emma.

Why I found ridiculous is that Emma was stopped by Erik so soon.

And why did she run to them? Emma could have attacked Erik's mind in just 2 seconds, and then have a little mind conflict with Charles.

But instead of that, she tried to scape running to them??

that was a stupid decision. She should be more intelligent than that.

[superman555]

Why didn't she just jump out of window??? :huh:

[Angamb]

that was a possibility, definetly, lol

but matthew and the writers thought it would be better to see her running to the door close to them.... to be stopped by Erik.

:whatever:

[Cheshire1996]

I have to say, I immediately assume that Charles is stronger when someone brings up the subject. Looking back on the movie I think they used their powers in different ways, and were motivated by very different goals. Perhaps Emma appeared to be stronger at times because of the way she utilized her abilities? It probably helped that she could turn into diamond as well XD

[psylockolussus]

Emma can definitely kick Charles' ass when she is on diamond form.

[Bren]

To me initially she had the advantage of surprise, when she said "they have a telepath on board" and Charles seemed more surprised. In battle, that's a massive advantage.

But I think, telepathically, Charles is the stronger, and in diamond form Erik was stronger; the element of surprise was gone, which is why she tried to escape in the General's room. Of course, I still think she was inconsistently depicted - from one scene she swats Erik away like a fly, the next they can manhandle her in her diamond form?

[psylockolussus]

I still think she was inconsistently depicted - from one scene she swats Erik away like a fly, the next they can manhandle her in her diamond form?

Yeah, thats why they should have added a fight sequence between Magneto and Emma Frost in that scene.

She could throw Professor X and Magneto at the same time but they didn't go with that. :o

[Angamb]

yeah....

there should have been some conflict there...

three powerfull mutants in the same room and the scene finished in like... 1 min?

[Avalanche]

In this particular movie Emma Frost is too much for Xavier to handle. He'll surely become more powerful at some point but he didn't have a hope of disarming her alone in First Class.

[Dr.Negative]

It all depends on how you look at the way they interpurated Emma Frost from the comics really. I mean the Emma we see now in the comics is alot stronger than Charles, especially after the house of m story. But if they chose to portray Emma as her self from before her joining with Cyclops then well here hellfire days she wasnt as powerful no.

In regards to the movie, i believe Emma and Charles are the same level but Emma has had more pratical uses for using her ability in defense where as Charles it was more of a party trick and only really used tactically until the course of that movie.

So Emma has the edge.

But i think they are the same level.

[King_Frost]

Emma has boobs. She is stronger :woot:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

To me initially she had the advantage of surprise, when she said "they have a telepath on board" and Charles seemed more surprised. In battle, that's a massive advantage.

But I think, telepathically, Charles is the stronger, and in diamond form Erik was stronger; the element of surprise was gone, which is why she tried to escape in the General's room. Of course, I still think she was inconsistently depicted - from one scene she swats Erik away like a fly, the next they can manhandle her in her diamond form?

He was able to "manhandle her" in diamond form because A.) she wasn't trying to fight, she was trying to escape, so Xavier and Magneto together were able to overpower her and B.) he had metal that he was able to manipulate to restrain her with.

It's not inconsistent. It's a different set of circumstances that allowed Magneto to get the advantage.

[Pink Ranger]

Emma has boobs. She is stronger :woot:

Then Blob is the strongest mutant on Earth.

[Angamb]

Emma is stronger, she is just more stupid than Charles

XD

[RachelDawes]

He was able to "manhandle her" in diamond form because A.) she wasn't trying to fight, she was trying to escape, so Xavier and Magneto together were able to overpower her and B.) he had metal that he was able to manipulate to restrain her with.

It's not inconsistent. It's a different set of circumstances that allowed Magneto to get the advantage.

Plus, when Magneto first squared off against Emma he didn't know how powerful she was and was probably taken by surprise. I'm sure he warned Charles about her strength so they braced themselves when she came running at them.

[Angamb]

even if they stopped her...

Emma running to them was just a stupid decision.

[King_Frost]

even if they stopped her...

Emma running to them was just a stupid decision.

This is not her decision.

[Angamb]

€Firstly, it was a Matthew decision.

And at the end, that decision became the decision of the character.

It made her to not seem as intelligent or strategic.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Seemed to me like she was less powerful, but powerful enough to give him fits. That's the impression I got, that he was more powerful, but she was powerful enough to be a threat. Beating someone doesn't mean they are more powerful.

[ciscostudent561]

With her telepathic abilities nullified by professor x, and an insanely powerful magneto along with him.. Smart of her to run. Magneto had her and shaw running away earlier when he went ape $h!t with the anchor

[Bren]

He was able to "manhandle her" in diamond form because A.) she wasn't trying to fight, she was trying to escape, so Xavier and Magneto together were able to overpower her and B.) he had metal that he was able to manipulate to restrain her with.

It's not inconsistent. It's a different set of circumstances that allowed Magneto to get the advantage.

I just thought, she Magneto flying away with a hit from one hand. Regardless of the element of surprise, that takes an element of superstrength, quite far beyond human capability. Therefore (unless she only has such strength in that hand only), I cannot imagine someone that strong not able to run through two normal (physical-wise) men under ANY circumstance. Magneto wasn't using his powers at that point.

To me, inconsistent. I would have preferred Magneto 'be ready' this time and actually stop her running with his powers.

[merbass]

From being a powerful mutant in the first half, then shift to a character that ran to her opponents, able to hear CIA agents and cut the glasses but still stay with CIA. This is too strange, unless she's there on purpose which would be revel in part 2.

[RachelDawes]

I just thought, she Magneto flying away with a hit from one hand. Regardless of the element of surprise, that takes an element of superstrength, quite far beyond human capability. Therefore (unless she only has such strength in that hand only), I cannot imagine someone that strong not able to run through two normal (physical-wise) men under ANY circumstance. Magneto wasn't using his powers at that point.

To me, inconsistent. I would have preferred Magneto 'be ready' this time and actually stop her running with his powers.

Could be she used up much of her strength by generating that illusion for the Russian colonel.

[psylockolussus]

I guess she just didn't give more energy and force compare when she threw Magneto out of the yacht.

[merbass]

Could be she used up much of her strength by generating that illusion for the Russian colonel.

She had strength to eat cracker :cwink:

[Nerial]

I never even questioned it--I just assumed Charles was stronger. Emma being able to "block" him is a defense mechanism, especially for herself. Honestly, I kind of thought that all telepaths, even weak ones, would have some defense against another telepath invading their minds.

If Emma was as powerful as Charles, then instead of Shaw having to threaten every single general into giving into his "let's playing chicken with nuclear missiles" plan, he'd just have her control their minds and give the order. Simple.

Emma forced Erik to relive his childhood torture; she created an illusion with the Russian general. Charles doesn't have to do any of that. He can just freeze someone who might attack him or even take over their minds completely.

No question...Charles is the more powerful telepath. Now, in a physical, one-on-one, punch-down fist fight, Emma (in diamond form) would cream him.

[Ultra Lantern]

I think Charles is stronger than Emma.

[Loganbabe]

Charles is stronger, obviously, and there's one thing that crossed my mind as why Emma could block him so easily - he really didn't want to fight her, afraid of the damage he could cause. He didn't want to push it too much.

I think there must have been at least one episode in Charles' life, when he was younger, in which his powers went out of control and he inadvertently harmed someone. And maybe it was the moment he learned that "with a great power comes a great responsability" and being the conscious and thoughtful person he was, even as a kid, he decided to be extra-careful with it. This also would explain why he was mostly using his power in a harmless, playful way, flirting with the girls and all. This started to change when he had to control Shaw; adding to it, he now has a lot of very painful issues to deal that will maybe mess up his telepathy.

I expect Charles to release a great amount of pain and anger through his power in the next film and to kick Emma' frosty ass even in diamond form. I expect him to be out of control, and then learn to put himself in check again. I believe that not even Erik's helmet would be able to contain Charles if his powers exploded all over the place.

Later he'll have to teach himself to reach his own point between rage and serenity to become the zen-like Charles Xavier that is both a mentor and a leader to the X-Men.