(Spoilers) Did Anyone Else Find It Sad...

[Punisher Rising]

...near the end when Captain America and Peggy are sharing their last message before the jet crashes and Cap gets frozen? I won't lie, watching that moment tore me up emotionally because I grew to love both of their characters over the movie and thought they were great together, and I thought it was so sad they didn't get a chance to see each other again after that :csad: The ending even left me feeling kind of depressed, when Cap awoke in the present day to see things had changed so much and to think he never got to see Peggy after that. It just hit me hard emotionally and I even recall getting more than a little misty-eyed during that entire moment.

[Spider-Fan]

That scene was gutwrenching. I absolutely loved how they did it! It wasn't cliche, it was well acted. It was just so well done. It was the most emotional I have gotten for any of the films to this point in the Marvel Studios films. The romance was really well sold.

[Bubonic]

I was on the verge of man tears when he said "I had a date"

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree, I really enjoyed how that very sad scene was played out.

[Punisher Rising]

That scene was gutwrenching. I absolutely loved how they did it! It wasn't cliche, it was well acted. It was just so well done. It was the most emotional I have gotten for any of the films to this point in the Marvel Studios films. The romance was really well sold.


Exactly! Their romance felt very organic and believable to me, which helped it greatly on an emotional level. It didn't feel forced at all.

[WildcatNC]

That scene was gutwrenching. I absolutely loved how they did it! It wasn't cliche, it was well acted. It was just so well done. It was the most emotional I have gotten for any of the films to this point in the Marvel Studios films. The romance was really well sold.



I agree. I'm a tough guy type and I was even sad. :csad:


It was very well done.

[bullets]

Some of the audience I sat with actually cried.

[Rock Sexton]

I see phrases like gut-wrenching or tore up. I liked the scene, felt it had heart .... but am not in agreement with some of the hyperbole in here. I shed a tear in Forest Gump when he asks Jenny if his son is normal. Not during Cap though.

[webhead921]

It might not have been tear worthy, but I definitely felt the impact of that ending.

A slight side not: I feel that in every single superhero movie to date prior to cap, the romantic subplot is the weakest link (including Superman the movie, Spider-man 2, TDK, and Iron Man). Not the case here. Congratulations Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell for bringing us the best romantic subplot in a superhero movie yet.

[Nemesis Prime]

Count me as one of the guys who got misty eyed during that scene. I never cried at movies before but it's as close as I am ever gonna get. The romance between Steve and Peggy felt so real that I was very sad to see it come to this.

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Definitely shed a tear. That scene made me want Hayley Atwell back for The Avengers as an older Peggy. :(

[Triad]

I actually got misty during the grenade scene. I knew it was coming because of the 2nd trailer, but it still got me...and I don't know why! Its not like it was sad. I think it effected me like that because I was so happy that they really nailed Rogers' character in that moment...and in many more as well!
What a freakin' great movie!

[Quasimod0]

Almost shed a tear. great scene

[Carlo Comicus]

Great scene. I almost cry. :(

[EML420]

[QUOTE=Rock Sexton;20979661]I see phrases like gut-wrenching or tore up. I liked the scene, felt it had heart .... but am not in agreement with some of the hyperbole in here. [QUOTE]
Im in the same boat but at the end when he said I had a date that felt like a sucker punch.

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly! Their romance felt very organic and believable to me, which helped it greatly on an emotional level. It didn't feel forced at all.

No it didn't. They wrote, paced, and acted that romance REALLY well. I was very impressed :up:

I agree. I'm a tough guy type and I was even sad. :csad:


It was very well done.

It was! I felt it was easily the strongest romance Marvel has done so far.

[RedSkull]

did we find it sad? thats the point. It was perfect.

[xeno000]

The ending of Captain America left me with such a jumble of emotions. It was a rousing action film, but the raw loss Steve and Peggy experienced stayed with me afterwards. Even though I've known how this story would end ever since I first read about Cap's resurrection when I was five, those scenes still managed to break my heart. I ended up wiping away a tear or two as the credits rolled.

When Peggy opened the file with the picture of skinny Steve in it it was the teenage guys around me who said, "Aww!" I heard a lot of sniffling, too. Good thing it was dark in there.... :csad:

[herolee10]

I'm surprised (in a good way) to hear that this scene ended up getting such a great response from critics and fans alike.

Truth be told, a while back, I would have thought that things like how Thor's relationship with Jane was suddenly cut short, or how Bruce had to leave Betty at the end of TIH would have warranted this type of response, but it seems that Steve's fate and how they pulled it off was more effective in conveying the tragedy of his situation.

[Madelow]

Hello all: I'm in agreement with you. Well-written and well-acted. Could they get away with casting Atwell as Sharon Carter in future Cap films? Best regards, Madelow.

[kaijunexus]

I agree with all of this. However, I really felt that the last line of the film ("I had a date") wasn't allowed enough time to linger. After that line, the camera should have panned up over the city with some somber music. But instead, immediately after he says it, we jump into the credits with a rousing hero theme as if Cap had just uttered something like "I'm ready for another fight".

[ThorThunderGod]

I am just reading about it here, and I am already misty eyed. Haha. Anyone would if they had a date with a gorgeous girl with cup D. Sigh :-(

[The Caped Knight]

I was emotionally torn, here was Cap sacrificing himself to ensure the survival of NYC while talking to the first and only woman that truly loved him (pre-super solider) then Peggy admitting that he was her prefect dance partner and making a date to go dancing.

Cap placing Peggy photo in the cockpit window and then Peggy looking at Steve photo before becoming Captain America added to the emotional heartbreak that would follow.

When Steve wake up 70 years later and Fury tells him how long he was frozen for and asked if he was alright. The heartbroken look on Steve's face when he said "I had a date" was so well executed by Evans performance that I shed a tear of sadness.

IMO this was the best marvel movie romance so far.

[herolee10]

I agree with all of this. However, I really felt that the last line of the film ("I had a date") wasn't allowed enough time to linger. After that line, the camera should have panned up over the city with some somber music. But instead, immediately after he says it, we jump into the credits with a rousing hero theme as if Cap had just uttered something like "I'm ready for another fight".

Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think the scene with Fury wasn't filmed by Johnston and was supposed to be the post credit scene itself.

[nidopal]

I agree with all of this. However, I really felt that the last line of the film ("I had a date") wasn't allowed enough time to linger. After that line, the camera should have panned up over the city with some somber music. But instead, immediately after he says it, we jump into the credits with a rousing hero theme as if Cap had just uttered something like "I'm ready for another fight".

No offense, but I'm really glad you didn't direct this movie.

[Vartha]

I liked that scene alot. Tho I heard a kid say, "Noooo" when Bucky fell.

[marcvader]

Lol, I had to tell my girlfriend it would be alright and that Caps next love interest would be Peggy's niece. Then she proceeded to look at me funny and tell me that would be wierd.

[chiefchirpa]

Can't imagine any of this emo situation happening in IM 3, Tony Stark can never be associated with it.

[xeno000]

Can't imagine any of this emo situation happening in IM 3, Tony Stark can never be associated with it.

I dunno, if the Peppa Pot ends up marrying Happy Hogan, you might see Tony shed a manly tear or two. :oldrazz:

[Shazam]

A great scene!

[DIRECTOR]

well, now Cap will be getting it on with her niece........... kinda sad :(

[Mister J]

It was definitely a great scene and one of the better ancillary romances I've observed in a film as of late; not contrived or heavy-handed... something which often befalls similar dynamics in this type of movie.

However, I did think it was a bit too somber of a note to end the movie proper on. I'd have preferred if they cut to credits sometime right after all the V-E Day/peace imagery, particularly the kids seemingly mimicking Cap and the Commandos/Invaders; something to underscore the value of Cap's sacrifice and what he was fighting for. Save the harsh reality of the reawakening for after the credits when it can be embraced for the good and bad.

Of course, that's all largely moot because pretty much everyone in the theater knew to stick around for a little post-credit goodness that provided more of an uplifting feeling. :cap::im::thor::bh: :awesome:

[marcvader]

It was meant for the after credits scene but was bumped up for the Avengers teaser.

[Steve the Dude]

A sad scene , it's suppossed to be. The film doesn't end there. It end with Cap being in modern day. Then of course post credit goodies.

[DoubleM]

I see phrases like gut-wrenching or tore up. I liked the scene, felt it had heart .... but am not in agreement with some of the hyperbole in here. I shed a tear in Forest Gump when he asks Jenny if his son is normal. Not during Cap though.


Agreed

[TIMMAH]

Loved the movie and yes the scene in question was very emotional but what romance? An unspoken crush and 1 kiss is hardly a romance.

[Fanticon]

if their romance didn't work, the end exchange they shared wouldn't have worked either, so all in all, you might just say that the love story, though simple, was really the best of any of the Marvel movies and truly emotional and effective there at the end. Honestly I wasn't expecting to feel that sad for both Peggy and Rogers but it struck a chord and that's good stuff imo.

[Marvolo]

It definitely struck a chord with me, also. The romance in this film is probably the best I've seen in a comic book film, and I think a part of the reason for that is that it is doomed. He gets frozen and they can never be together. All their moments together are bittersweet, because the audience knows what is coming. I know others think it was a little too somber of an ending, but it was nice not having a perfect cookie cutter ending. Personally, I would have liked a scene at Peggy's grave, but that actually may have been too somber.

[Punisher Rising]

Definitely shed a tear. That scene made me want Hayley Atwell back for The Avengers as an older Peggy. :(


I hear you :(

I'll sure miss both Peggy and Phillips in The Avengers, I loved them both. Won't be the same without either around for the next time :csad:

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, I didn't cry or anything, but I did actually feel a lot of emotion during that scene, because their relationship had progressed so much as was arcing so much at those moments. It was at that point that you knew they'd never be together, truly.

[Stringer]

It didn't make me cry or anything but it definitely got a heartfelt "damn, Steve" from me. Very well acted by Evans.

[piccolo]

Yeah, it was rough. And the shot of her slouched over the controls sobbing too.

Peggy sliding the photo of pre-serum Steve out was great too. Seeing what he used to be and knowing the hero he became, that scene was powerful.

[Nightwing]

Definitely a great scene and one of my favorites from the entire movie. No years from me but I did feel a bit of sadness and it was in part to how Evans played it out. Credit to him. I also liked how Peggy looked at his old photo and how it went back to Erskine telling Steve to always be a good man.

[Golgo-13]

Those who claim there wasn't really any romance weren't watching the film. It was subtle, and not rammed in your face like the Twilight or Spider-Man movies.

I personally like the scene where her and Tommy Lee Jones are watching footage of Cap in the field, on one of his missions, and she catches a glimpse of the picture he keeps of her in his locket. I loved the look on her face in that scene plus the looked Tommy Lee's character gives her upon seeing it too!

The romance was there..which made the final scenes between them all the more powerful.

[Superhero 101]

I have to admit i felt sad for Steve and Peggy but hopefully we can see some closure between them in The Avengers or Cap 2

[captaintass]

I got misty and a tear or two rolled out twice during the movie. One was, of course, Cap and Peggy talking with him on the plane. The other instance surprised me...it was the scene with Erskine and Steve sitting on the beds talking. I knew the 'good man' line was coming from seeing the previews but something about Tucci's perfect delivery just touched me profoundly. Good job by everyone involved.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think it's funny that the grumpy gusses who didn't like the movie even before they saw it are trying to tell people how to feel about the scene near the end.

You don't have to like the scene but it's not hyberbole to say that it touched them that much.

Forrest Gump is one of the most manipulative movies ever made. It's a bland big cemercial film masquerading as a deep smart one. It's one of Robert Zemeckis's "I'm a whore for special effects and nothing else" films. Look Forrest meets Kennedy! Look he is inserted somewhere else! I've watched like 70% of it and do not want to see the rest. It's a dubious thing indeed when one who finds that film deeply emotional rags on one who finds something in Captain America emotional. At least Captain America isn't pretending that it's some great big film with an amazing message.

Pick a better movie and I might be in like flynn with ya.

[herolee10]

Screw Banner's fate, Steve's fate is more tragic.lol

Seriously, I think CA:TFA has the saddest ending for the hero out of anyone in the MCU universe. Hell, I'll go even father to say that CA has the saddest ending for a hero film than any other hero period, more so than Batman's one in TDK.

I seriously hope that by the time Captain America's franchise with Chris Evans has run its course, that Steve finds happiness in his life.

[tillyvick14]

This scene and the sense of loss that I felt for Steve after he is displaced in time has really stuck with me as well even though I knew it was coming. Alan Silverstri's score is very effective during those moments of the film as well.

[Rock Sexton]

I got misty and a tear or two rolled out twice during the movie. One was, of course, Cap and Peggy talking with him on the plane. The other instance surprised me...it was the scene with Erskine and Steve sitting on the beds talking. I knew the 'good man' line was coming from seeing the previews but something about Tucci's perfect delivery just touched me profoundly. Good job by everyone involved.

Just something funny about a guy with a screen name of "captainass" who's crying at a comic book movie.

[herolee10]

This scene and the sense of loss that I felt for Steve after he is displaced in time has really stuck with me as well even though I knew it was coming. Alan Silverstri's score is very effective during those moments of the film as well.

Agreed, the music playing for the plane crash sequence really help further convey how heartbreaking the scene was.

[Rock Sexton]

I think it's funny that the grumpy gusses who didn't like the movie even before they saw it are trying to tell people how to feel about the scene near the end.

You don't have to like the scene but it's not hyberbole to say that it touched them that much.

Not telling anyone how to feel, but exaggeration does run rampant on these forums. I mean Captain America, a film with absolutely no flaws? C'mon ....

Forrest Gump is one of the most manipulative movies ever made. It's a bland big cemercial film masquerading as a deep smart one. It's one of Robert Zemeckis's "I'm a whore for special effects and nothing else" films. Look Forrest meets Kennedy! Look he is inserted somewhere else! I've watched like 70% of it and do not want to see the rest. It's a dubious thing indeed when one who finds that film deeply emotional rags on one who finds something in Captain America emotional. At least Captain America isn't pretending that it's some great big film with an amazing message.

Pick a better movie and I might be in like flynn with ya.

You're certified insane. Gump was one of the most emotionally deep movies in cinema. The scene in which I speak is when Gump looks at his son for the first time and worries that he too suffers from the same physical/mental conditions. All the struggles and torment he went thru hit him like a ton of bricks and he didn't want his son to suffer the same. How could that not be a powerful scene? "Is he smart" with the tears rolling down his face. I'm sure if Gump pulled up his shirt to reveal abs like Chris Evans you'd prolly fall in love with it. :doh:

[tillyvick14]

I also felt that it was useful that the modern day scene at the end of the film was not directed by Johnston, it helps convey the feeling that Cap is disoriented as we the audience are subjected to a different type of cinematography that is more modern and jarring.

A friend of mine felt the plane crash was too contrived and that Cap could have easily softly landed it. The answer to that criticism is that the aircraft was too badly damaged (especially its engines) after Steve crashed the bomb into it earlier correct? I remember him saying to Peggy that landing it safely would be difficult or something similar.

[DACrowe]

I wouldn't say it was very emotional and it was a bit cliché....but it was very well done. Evans and Atwell had real chemisry in this movie and they played the scene just right so it was sad, without becoming maudlin. PRobably the best attempt at romance in a MS film to date.

[Rock Sexton]

I wouldn't say it was very emotional and it was a bit cliché....but it was very well done. Evans and Atwell had real chemisry in this movie and they played the scene just right so it was sad, without becoming maudlin. PRobably the best attempt at romance in a MS film to date.

Agreed.

[Fanticon]

I wouldn't say it was very emotional and it was a bit cliché....but it was very well done. Evans and Atwell had real chemisry in this movie and they played the scene just right so it was sad, without becoming maudlin. PRobably the best attempt at romance in a MS film to date.

Contradiction poster child. :o:awesome:

and this...


Forrest Gump is one of the most manipulative movies ever made. It's a bland big cemercial film masquerading as a deep smart one. It's one of Robert Zemeckis's "I'm a whore for special effects and nothing else" films. Look Forrest meets Kennedy! Look he is inserted somewhere else! I've watched like 70% of it and do not want to see the rest. It's a dubious thing indeed when one who finds that film deeply emotional rags on one who finds something in Captain America emotional. At least Captain America isn't pretending that it's some great big film with an amazing message.:lmao:

That 30% of the rest of the film that you've neglected to watch, is the part you fear will make you curl up into a little ball and cry. The very nature of any movie is to manipulate your senses, right down to your cerebral core. Many will fail. But Forrest Gump? That is genuinely an emotionally satisfying and beautiful film...an uplifting kind of sad, not the depressing kind. And perhaps it is the death of my 20's that has fueled a newly realized sensitivity in me, but the end of Cap was quite sad, and honestly if they hadn't topped that movie off with that scene and those final moments in the end where you knew the love story was doomed, and Rogers eventually waking up in the future and having to cope with that, I might not have liked the movie that much more. It was perhaps, one of the most redeeming qualities of the movie by the time it was over...even after the Avengers teaser.

[xeno000]

I also felt that it was useful that the modern day scene at the end of the film was not directed by Johnston, it helps convey the feeling that Cap is disoriented as we the audience are subjected to a different type of cinematography that is more modern and jarring.

A friend of mine felt the plane crash was too contrived and that Cap could have easily softly landed it. The answer to that criticism is that the aircraft was too badly damaged (especially its engines) after Steve crashed the bomb into it earlier correct? I remember him saying to Peggy that landing it safely would be difficult or something similar.


Yes, Steve flew that Hydra bomber right into the rear engines of the flying wedge. That alone did a lot of damage to it, but the fight with the Red Skull inflicted even more on the cockpit controls. Some of the instrumentation was taken out when the Skull smashed into it. When the Cube burned through the floor that may have done even more damage, while at the same time depriving the plane of its power source. (That bit I'm not absolutely certain of, however.) All told, that plane sustained more than enough damage to explain why Cap had to ditch it in the Arctic.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Contradiction poster child. :o:awesome:

and this...

:lmao:

That 30% of the rest of the film that you've neglected to watch, is the part you fear will make you curl up into a little ball and cry. The very nature of any movie is to manipulate your senses, right down to your cerebral core. Many will fail. But Forrest Gump? That is genuinely an emotionally satisfying and beautiful film...an uplifting kind of sad, not the depressing kind. And perhaps it is the death of my 20's that has fueled a newly realized sensitivity in me, but the end of Cap was quite sad, and honestly if they hadn't topped that movie off with that scene and those final moments in the end where you knew the love story was doomed, and Rogers eventually waking up in the future and having to cope with that, I might not have liked the movie that much more. It was perhaps, one of the most redeeming qualities of the movie by the time it was over...even after the Avengers teaser.I don't imagine I'll ever care for tripe like that but knock yourself out. People have actually convinced themselves that American Beauty is a great movie to so nothing surprises me.

[captaintass]

Just something funny about a guy with a screen name of "captainass" who's crying at a comic book movie.

Reading comp not your strong suit, bud?

Captain Tass

Read it again.

[herolee10]

The part of this scene that really hit the most was the shot of seeing the Airplane slowing descending into the snow/ground, along with the music playing at that very moment. So tragic.:csad:

[Rogers America]

I agree with all of this. However, I really felt that the last line of the film ("I had a date") wasn't allowed enough time to linger. After that line, the camera should have panned up over the city with some somber music. But instead, immediately after he says it, we jump into the credits with a rousing hero theme as if Cap had just uttered something like "I'm ready for another fight".

I completely thought the opposite. I think using the rousing march theme immediately after was PERFECT for a few reasons:

Firstly, yes the moment before was sad, but it's also a reminder of the goodness and heroism of the character.

Secondly, why should composer Alan Silvestri (whose score was FANTASTIC) who greatly added to the sadness of that scene not be allowed to have "his" moment in the spotlight?

Lastly, did you ever see The Empire Strikes Back? Last time I checked that went from being on a downer to John Williams' upbeat and rousing end credits music. That's just one example of many occasions with this occurring in past films as well.

Also taking the end teaser into account, I'm glad going into that I had a sense of happiness and not depression, and I also think it was a good move for the audience members who would have been leaving the theater on that triumphant music feeling proud.

Another example that instantly just came to mind as well, is the ending of The Great Escape.

[Rock Sexton]

Reading comp not your strong suit, bud?

Captain Tass

Read it again.

Hahah .... my bad.

[JP]

Its been on my mind since I saw it. Very depressing. My mom even made it worse when I talked to her about it. She said "Peggy probably went to the place every Saturday at 8pm until she died."

:csad:

[Rogers America]

Its been on my mind since I saw it. Very depressing. My mom even made it worse when I talked to her about it. She said "Peggy probably went to the place every Saturday at 8pm until she died."

:csad:

Cheer up. :cap:

LsO-lttHb8k

[kedrell]

Its been on my mind since I saw it. Very depressing. My mom even made it worse when I talked to her about it. She said "Peggy probably went to the place every Saturday at 8pm until she died."

:csad:

There's being in love/enamoured and then there's being nuts. Peggy eventually knew he wasn't coming back and probably went on with her life(married, had kids, etc.).

[WildcatNC]

I don't imagine I'll ever care for tripe like that but knock yourself out. People have actually convinced themselves that American Beauty is a great movie to so nothing surprises me.

I love Cap, Forrest Gump, and American Beauty. Some people connect with stories and some do not.

[herolee10]

Its been on my mind since I saw it. Very depressing. My mom even made it worse when I talked to her about it. She said "Peggy probably went to the place every Saturday at 8pm until she died."

:csad:

That is sad to think about.

One of the things that I was surprised to see in my Theater, was that; I had the MOST Annoying people in attendance at the showing that I went to. I mean these people would make some dumb sound throughout several moments of the film.

But when this scene came, where they were saying their final goodbye, along with the shot of the plane going into the ground/snow, EVERYONE was dead silent and in tuned completely with the scene.

[Chewy]

Its been on my mind since I saw it. Very depressing. My mom even made it worse when I talked to her about it. She said "Peggy probably went to the place every Saturday at 8pm until she died."

:csad:Like that episode of Futurama with the dog :csad:

[LuisTX85]

To me it wasn't eye teary But I understand how it could be for others,It was darn emotional though and I felt it was done perfectly!!

[Flemm]

This scene struck me as rather derivative of the scene at the beginning of Trek '09 (starring Chris Hemsworth, oddly enough). The structure was very similar: the hero crashing his ship intentionally to save others, the long-distance conversation with his love interest, the simplicity of the subject matter being discussed lending poignancy to the impending disaster, etc.

It was effectively staged (though somewhat less so, I thought, than in Trek '09), but the similarity was strong enough that it detracted a bit from my immersion and emotional involvement in this case.

[Team Andino]

Saw it for the second time today and this time I found myself tearing up and felt like I had a frog in my throat. One thing I really appreciate is Steve continuously talking to Peggy mere seconds before he crashes almost as if he was trying to make this easier on her instead of making it obvious he was about to crash.

[Rock Sexton]

This scene struck me as rather derivative of the scene at the beginning of Trek '09 (starring Chris Hemsworth, oddly enough). The structure was very similar: the hero crashing his ship intentionally to save others, the long-distance conversation with his love interest, the simplicity of the subject matter being discussed lending poignancy to the impending disaster, etc.

It was effectively staged (though somewhat less so, I thought, than in Trek '09), but the similarity was strong enough that it detracted a bit from my immersion and emotional involvement in this case.

Ya in that context it was very similar. Hemsworth emoted so much more deeply in his scene though IMO.

[jacobed]

Hemsworth did emote more deeply but he should have, he was talking to his wife and their new born baby. Capt. America was just talking to show chick that had feelings for. I've seen the movie 3 times and everytime I hear sniffels and what not in the audience, its crazy I never expected to hear anything like that in a comic book movie.

[herolee10]

On a sidenote, I believe this film just proved my speculation correct that Steve is the only Avenger that still hasn't had "his special night".lol Someone make it a note to allow the Captain to get lucky with someone special in the sequel!lol Maybe that's why he wasn't allowed to get some from Peggy, because he'll get some from Sharon and they didn't want the whole "they're related to each other part" to get in the way for that.lol

[Spider-Fan]

On a sidenote, I believe this film just proved my speculation correct that Steve is the only Avenger that still hasn't had "his special night".lol Someone make it a note to allow the Captain to get lucky with someone special in the sequel!lol Maybe that's why he wasn't allowed to get some from Peggy, because he'll get some from Sharon and they didn't want the whole "they're related to each other part" to get in the way for that.lol

I think it is more an old fashioned romance thing than it was the "they're related" thing. Cap and Peggy were more like an old fashioned romance, and in more old fashioned movies, the hero didn't just shack up with the leading lady.

[Project862006]

i think cap will connect with the female's alot for instance plenty of woman let out a gasp and an awwww and other nice comments in my audience when little steve jumped on the grenade

[Troy_Parker]

It was pretty damn sad. \:

Me and my friend were discussing what would be sadder:

Having Steve find out that Peggy's still alive, but like, on her deathbed, she's in hospital OR to have Steve wake up to find out she's dead. I thought it'd be the first.

[Hurm...]

The return of Steve Rogers to a 90 year old Peggy Carter is much more interesting to me.

[elgaz]

Yeah I found this scene quite emotional too, but have to say I thought the scene with Peggy pulling the photo of skinny Steve out of his file was also very sad.

[Troy_Parker]

The worst bit was when the movie ended... I nearly teared up...

I wanted moar.

:P

[Troy_Parker]

Then I saw the trailer for The Avengers and I was all =DDDD

Then the trailer ended and I was all =[[

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed, lol.

[Spider-Vader]

I really want Cap's intro scene in Avengers to be him walking up to Peggy's grave or deathbed. It'd set the tone for his "Man out of Time" storyline that he'll surely have in the movie.

[Marvel]

There were a lot of emotions in this film but I was moved/inspired by the transformation scene. When Steve yells out and tells them he could do it even though he was in extreme pain and the look Erskine gave him as he was dying...

[TomPiltoff]

Did anyone else find it sad near the end when Captain America and Peggy are sharing their last message before the jet crashes and Cap gets frozen?

:facepalm:

No, nobody did.

Can't wait for thread sequel 'did anybody else think it was cool when Captain America beat the bad guys up?'

[Kurosawa]

I really want Cap's intro scene in Avengers to be him walking up to Peggy's grave or deathbed. It'd set the tone for his "Man out of Time" storyline that he'll surely have in the movie.

If she's dead and Cap's first scene opened with him visiting her grave, for some reason I think of Bond at Tracy's grave in FYEO.

Also the, scene with the radio playing a Brooklyn Dodgers game that Steve had attended was a great touch. I wouldn't mind a scene in Avengers or in Cap II where he happens to be at the Jackie Robinson Apartments on the former site of the Brooklyn Dodgers ballpark, Ebbets Field. Just a little reminder that so much of what Steve knew is now gone. Originally, 20 years had passed and yes, a lot can happen in 20 years-but 70 years is a drastic difference.

In the comics, Peggy actually ended up dating Gabe Jones after Cap came back.

[PSYLENTGuardian]

:facepalm:

No, nobody did.

Can't wait for thread sequel 'did anybody else think it was cool when Captain America beat the bad guys up?'

Someone didn't like the movie :whatever:

EDIT: Or just didn't emotionally resonate with the scene. To each his own.

[herolee10]

20 bucks says that for the milestone moment regarding Steve's Love Life, that he'll share his first dance with a woman in Captain America 2, and that it'll be with Sharon.

[Spidey-Bat]

It was a sad scene. I hope they have her still alive in The Avengers and Steve gets to see her again.

Like that episode of Futurama with the dog :csad:

Oh god, please don't mention that. The only thing that can make me cry more is a family member dying. At least one of the movies retconned it so the dog wasn't actually waiting until he died.

[Marvel]

If she's dead and Cap's first scene opened with him visiting her grave, for some reason I think of Bond at Tracy's grave in FYEO.

Also the, scene with the radio playing a Brooklyn Dodgers game that Steve had attended was a great touch. I wouldn't mind a scene in Avengers or in Cap II where he happens to be at the Jackie Robinson Apartments on the former site of the Brooklyn Dodgers ballpark, Ebbets Field. Just a little reminder that so much of what Steve knew is now gone. Originally, 20 years had passed and yes, a lot can happen in 20 years-but 70 years is a drastic difference.

I really LOVE that idea. I have to trust that Joss will write something like that in to Avengers but the baseball angle would be perfect.

BTW- I love that they broadcast a unique part of the game. An inside the park grand slam would lead to instant recognition by Steve. They did so many little things right in this film.

[LostSon88]

Someone didn't like the movie :whatever:

EDIT: Or just didn't emotionally resonate with the scene. To each his own.

Actually I think all he's doing is pointing out what he feels is the redundancy of the thread.

Because when it comes down to it, this thread is basically asking you:

"Did anyone else find the sad part of the movie...sad?"

[Deathlok]

Loved the romance between Peggy and Steve, there were feelings conveyed firmly based off of reality. It was funny, touching and sad in all the right places.
I for one will be very disappointed if Steve's feelings of loss and isolation are not covered in either Avengers or the next Captain America film. It will be a great disservice to the character otherwise.

[TomPiltoff]

Actually I think all he's doing is pointing out what he feels is the redundancy of the thread.

Because when it comes down to it, this thread is basically asking you:

"Did anyone else find the sad part of the movie...sad?"

Bingo.

[Troy_Parker]

Captain America will become emo in The Avengers!

[Pinky021]

I really felt sorry for Cap,, for loosing his love...

[snicker]

It was pretty damn sad. \:

Me and my friend were discussing what would be sadder:

Having Steve find out that Peggy's still alive, but like, on her deathbed, she's in hospital OR to have Steve wake up to find out she's dead. I thought it'd be the first.

According to Joe Johnston, Kevin Feige, she's still alive when Cap was revived.
She's already 88. I would love to see them have that date.

Got it here http://www.moviesonline.ca/2011/07/joe-johnston-kevin-feige-interview/

I watched it last week and I still feel sad when I remember the film, specially the final scenes. I think I'm gonna watch it again.

[TomPiltoff]

Got it here http://www.moviesonline.ca/2011/07/joe-johnston-kevin-feige-interview/

Good read. Feige is an evil bastard.


Q: Is there another epilogue besides the one we saw before the final credits?


KF: I don’t think there’s talk of another epilogue. On this movie, that sort of epilogue is before the credits when you go to black, you come back up and you’re not sure where you are.


Q: So there isn’t anything after the credits?


KF: Not in the screening you saw. (laughs)

[TheWiseGuy487]

The return of Steve Rogers to a 90 year old Peggy Carter is much more interesting to me.

Man, if they have a scene near the end of The Avengers with Steve visiting an elderly Peggy Carter, saying something along the lines of "How about that date?", and they starting slow dancing for the first and last time, I don't think I would be able to hold back the tears. :csad:

[Mysteryman]

Good read. Feige is an evil bastard.
Actually the most important of that interview is that JJ says that Peggy is still alive.

[Dr Lee]

It was horribly sad... and the last line of 'I had a date' and Evans' expression... well, i can see why people were in tears.

Going in i was fully expecting a horribly sad ending and i wasn't disappointed.


Hope to see Avengers referencing Peggy in some way, be it Cap looking at an image of her or standing over her grave...

[LostSon88]

Feige and Johnston said that Peggy's still alive...she's 88.

They will have that dance...

[Punisher_MAX]

if they have that dance im gonna turn into a girl and tear up. :(

[TheFuture]

One of the classiest romances I've seen in recent memory on the big screen. No over the top melodramatic BS, just good honest old fashioned romance. What I liked most about their final interaction was that it was born out of people with strong feelings for each other, but who were ultimately only at the start of their journey. They didn't say "I Love You" as it would have been out of place. Rather, they just beautifully conveyed the massive regret in the moment. Perfection.

If you're following me that is. :oldrazz:

[LostSon88]

if they have that dance im gonna turn into a girl and tear up. :(

That'd actually be a pretty cool thing to have near the end of "The Avengers,".

Perhaps after they save the world and all the crazyness dies down, Sharon takes him to see her for the first time in 70+ years.

And they finally have that dance... :hrt: :waa:

[TomPiltoff]

Actually the most important of that interview is that JJ says that Peggy is still alive.

Who are you talking to?

[Spider-Fan]

Feige and Johnston said that Peggy's still alive...she's 88.

They will have that dance...

Because they are smart enough not to waste a character like Peggy :up:

[TheWiseGuy487]

if they have that dance im gonna turn into a girl and tear up. :(

Same. I cried at the beginning of Up, so I can't even begin to imagine how I'm going to react to that if it happens.

[Dr Lee]

That would be one hell of a bittersweet moment, if Cap gets that dance.....Specially if she passes shortly after

[TheWiseGuy487]

That would be one hell of a bittersweet moment, if Cap gets that dance.....Specially if she passes shortly after

That would make it even more sad, and beautiful, at the same time. :waa:

[Dr Lee]

That would make it even more sad, and beautiful, at the same time. :waa:

I know.... and seeing how they weren't scared to end Cap on a horribly sad note....i can see them possibly holding it off till Cap 2 (If it's set modern day instead of a flashback)....

[Spider-Fan]

I think using him dancing with Peggy as the end image of his journey in Avengers would be a perfect way of ending Steve's arc in that film.

[LostSon88]

Agreed. That would be a very touching way to end his arc with Peggy.

Leading into the sequel, which will than more than likely have Sharon become his new love interest.

[50yroldfffan]

Bingo.
We get the sarcasm of your response to the thread. I find it rude not clever! So please take the sarcasm to a thread that will appreciate it, like maybe the GL thread. lol

[50yroldfffan]

Actually I think all he's doing is pointing out what he feels is the redundancy of the thread.

Because when it comes down to it, this thread is basically asking you:

"Did anyone else find the sad part of the movie...sad?"
We all get the sarcasm of his response to the thread. I find it rude not clever! What the thread is really about is the sharing of a common sorrow amongst fans of the movie and the way it ended. It's not uncommon at a time of real personal tragedy or sorrow for people/family to share their feelings. While this is just a movie/make believe it was still a very moving ending that touched the heart of most who watched it. Credit goes to JJ for directing a great movie. So please don't feed into his lack of feeling for the fans that care :-)

[50yroldfffan]

I really hope cap has that dance with Peggy in the Avengers movie, it will have the whole theater in tears :-)

[Spider-Vader]

I think using him dancing with Peggy as the end image of his journey in Avengers would be a perfect way of ending Steve's arc in that film.

I have to agree with you 100%. I really hope Whedon does that. I didn't tear up during the Cap & Peggy's final scene together, but I just might if they did that.

Plus since he likes killing off major characters that'd be a nice way to do it without sacrificing the Son of Coul.

[herolee10]

Seeing Steve dance with a elderly Peggy would be almost as bittersweet as it was for the moment in Christopher Reeve's "Somewhere in time", where at the beginning of the film, he's visited by the elderly version of his romantic partner telling him cryptically to "come back to her".

Though yeah, it would definitely provide closure in some format; and lord knows a lot of people will be crying at that scene, and like someone else said, just imagine if Peggy died not long after their first and only dance.

[Diamondhead]

...near the end when Captain America and Peggy are sharing their last message before the jet crashes and Cap gets frozen? I won't lie, watching that moment tore me up emotionally because I grew to love both of their characters over the movie and thought they were great together, and I thought it was so sad they didn't get a chance to see each other again after that :csad: The ending even left me feeling kind of depressed, when Cap awoke in the present day to see things had changed so much and to think he never got to see Peggy after that. It just hit me hard emotionally and I even recall getting more than a little misty-eyed during that entire moment.
you've never red the comic book
from what i recalled peggy is still alive ,she's and old woman but still alive
and cap will go out with her younger sister sharon
even though after senventy years her younger sister might even be too old for cap
maybe she wil be her grand daughter this time or perhaps the'll do an entire new scenario for the movie.

[Superhero 101]

I think using him dancing with Peggy as the end image of his journey in Avengers would be a perfect way of ending Steve's arc in that film.

That'd be Brilliant!!

[herolee10]

For the biggest hero in the MCU world, Steve sure has the worst luck when it comes to his love life.:csad:

Seriously, I'm going to be rooting for this guy to find some sort of happiness by the end of his franchise.

[Hurm...]

I don't care what happened in the comics, I'll find it a bit disturbing if Cap gets with Peggy's granddaughter.

[herolee10]

I don't care what happened in the comics, I'll find it a bit disturbing if Cap gets with Peggy's granddaughter.

I thought Sharon was her "niece". Be that as it may, if they really want to, they could tweak the relationship shared between Sharon and Peggy like they did with Mystique and Nightcrawler/Scott and Alex Summers/Professor X and Juggernaut in the X Men films.

[Hurm...]

Niece, granddaughter, whatever. I don't think it works.

[herolee10]

Niece, granddaughter, whatever. I don't think it works.

It is ironic that given on how clean cut of a hero Captain America is portrayed as, that when it comes to the interpretation/handling of his love life, that the writer chose to give him one that would raise a good amount of eyebrows.lol

But like I said, if Marvel Studios really feel that that relationship shared between Sharon and Peggy may make it too weird for a majority of the audience for when Sharon and Steve get together, then they could easily change the familial bonds between them.

[Liam_H]

Man, if they have a scene near the end of The Avengers with Steve visiting an elderly Peggy Carter, saying something along the lines of "How about that date?", and they starting slow dancing for the first and last time, I don't think I would be able to hold back the tears. :csad:

I'd love it if he said, "Sorry, I'm late" followed by a bittersweet smile form her.

Niece, granddaughter, whatever. I don't think it works.

Yes it can be weird if they keep referring back to it. I mean she should mention it once but not focus on it. If Sharon keeps going...Aunt Peggy this and Aunt Peggy that...Cap falls for her that way than yes it would seem weird.

But if they show Sharon being kick ass woman like Peggy was then we could easily see why it could happen. Because she would exude the same presence as her Aunt.

[TomPiltoff]

We get the sarcasm of your response to the thread. I find it rude not clever!

You got my sarcasm? Oh good, I'm soooooo glad.

[Panthro]

...near the end when Captain America and Peggy are sharing their last message before the jet crashes and Cap gets frozen? I won't lie, watching that moment tore me up emotionally because I grew to love both of their characters over the movie and thought they were great together, and I thought it was so sad they didn't get a chance to see each other again after that :csad: The ending even left me feeling kind of depressed, when Cap awoke in the present day to see things had changed so much and to think he never got to see Peggy after that. It just hit me hard emotionally and I even recall getting more than a little misty-eyed during that entire moment.
I'm sure I'll appreciate it more when I get the Blu-Ray than in the theater because I was surrounded by a really crappy audience - coughers, incosiderate text messengers, and a bunch of bratty little kids with no parents to tell them to shut their Goddamn mouths. :cmad:

[UltimateJustin]

I thought the scene and their relationship resonated well. It was like the opposite of Thor and Jane.

[LostSon88]

Thor and Jane wearnt in love. She just wanted to 'pound his hammer'.

[webhead9707]

I had to fight back tears because my brother and dad were with me, but it was incredible. However, the most emotional moment for me in film this year was X-Men First Class, when Charles is trying to help Eric unleash his power.

[UltimateJustin]

Thor and Jane wearnt in love. She just wanted to 'pound his hammer'.
They also weren't in a good movie.

[LostSon88]

:wow:

[50yroldfffan]

You got my sarcasm? Oh good, I'm soooooo glad.
Play nice Tom :) a smart guy like you shouldn't waste his time sarcastically commenting on a post your not interested in. Makes you look petty. :(

[Punisher_MAX]

I'd love it if he said, "Sorry, I'm late" followed by a bittersweet smile form her.



and then she says something like "you still didnt learn a thing about women did you?" but with a teary eyed smile.

id seriously revoke my man card.

[Dr Lee]

Man cards would be extinct if they did that.....

[psylockolussus]

I was on the verge of man tears when he said "I had a date"

:lmao:

Yeah their last scene was kinda sad, they were about to go in a date and booom Captain America went in a long sleep.

[TomPiltoff]

Play nice Tom :) a smart guy like you shouldn't waste his time sarcastically commenting on a post your not interested in. Makes you look petty. :(

C'mon at least keep your schtick straight (though at 50 I know that's asking a bit much - BOOM). You called me rude. Don't turn around two posts later and say 'play nice'.

[50yroldfffan]

C'mon at least keep your schtick straight (though at 50 I know that's asking a bit much - BOOM). You called me rude. Don't turn around two posts later and say 'play nice'.
I guess you missed the sarcasm in play nice. (BOOM) lol

[batpirisss]

Jesus Christ are you serious how old are you guys. The whole love story was horrible. I dont know any even hard core comic fan that saw the movie that even for a second believed or felt invested in the two characters relationship at all. It was one of the biggest problems with the movie along with pacing. The love story was weakly done.

LISA

[xeno000]

Jesus Christ are you serious how old are you guys. The whole love story was horrible. I dont know any even hard core comic fan that saw the movie that even for a second believed or felt invested in the two characters relationship at all. It was one of the biggest problems with the movie along with pacing. The love story was weakly done.

LISA

Your opinion ≠ Fact

[Spider-Fan]

Jesus Christ are you serious how old are you guys. The whole love story was horrible. I dont know any even hard core comic fan that saw the movie that even for a second believed or felt invested in the two characters relationship at all. It was one of the biggest problems with the movie along with pacing. The love story was weakly done.

LISA

Yeah...this post is in no way disrespectful and asking for action. Oh wait, too late :o

[50yroldfffan]

Jesus Christ are you serious how old are you guys. The whole love story was horrible. I dont know any even hard core comic fan that saw the movie that even for a second believed or felt invested in the two characters relationship at all. It was one of the biggest problems with the movie along with pacing. The love story was weakly done.

LISA
Lisa
I have to respectfully disagree with you.
This is my opinion and of course your welcome to yours I thought the love story was spot on!
We have to remember that both Cap and Peggy's lives and missions kept them on different paths through most of the movie making it hard to have a normal romance.
I like the story of an insecure with ladies skinny Steve who now despite his new body still carried the same insecurities.
Also liked how Peggy started falling/admiring for Steve as a man in the cab as she listened to him talk about his life experiences.
And what could have been more pure of heart when Steve said he was just waiting for the right partner, and we as viewers new he was sitting right next to her.
Also liked the way they kept close enough to pine for each other but because of the war not close enough to do anything about it.
I would bet that many of us can think of lost opportunities when it comes to love, I'm sure many can relate.
We also have to remember that Steve's mission lasted months! They must have wrote or talked by phone over that time.
It was touching to see that cap had added a picture of Peggy in a locket/watch or compass and she blushed when she saw it in the news-reel. That scene made me assume they at least had verbal contact over those months (who knows maybe more).
And I loved the finial scene as they planned their last date together both knowing that cap was about to die (Yes I know that has been done before but it worked for me).
Lastly what could have been more touching when Peggy sadly pulled out the picture of skinny Steve, it was at that moment you new she had fallen for him the person in the cab not when he had been transformed.
And for those who didn't get the emotion of the last scene with cap in the future saying with sad eyes he had a date. I thought it was a stroke of genius to reduce their love for each other into one line. You could feel the regret in his heart as he spoke that simple sentence.
In fact it was so true to the character of Caption America in this movie, a man of action and very few words.
I will agree the pacing was erratic but I think with a movie that had to tell an origin story and so much more JJ the director did a hell of a job.
Oh! one more thing :) not sure how you can say you don't know any hard core comics fans who thought the romance between the two worked?
Spend a little time reading the reviews thread for the movie at this site you'll find many of those hard core comic there! :)

[captainrogers]

Lisa
I have to respectfully disagree with you.
This is my opinion and of course your welcome to yours I thought the love story was spot on!
We have to remember that both Cap and Peggy's lives and missions kept them on different paths through most of the movie making it hard to have a normal romance.
I like the story of an insecure with ladies skinny Steve who now despite his new body still carried the same insecurities.
Also liked how Peggy started falling/admiring for Steve as a man in the cab as she listened to him talk about his life experiences.
And what could have been more pure of heart when Steve said he was just waiting for the right partner, and we as viewers new he was sitting right next to her.
Also liked the way they kept close enough to pine for each other but because of the war not close enough to do anything about it.
I would bet that many of us can think of lost opportunities when it comes to love, I'm sure many can relate.
We also have to remember that Steve's mission lasted months! They must have wrote or talked by phone over that time.
It was touching to see that cap had added a picture of Peggy in a locket/watch or compass and she blushed when she saw it in the news-reel. That scene made me assume they at least had verbal contact over those months (who knows maybe more).
And I loved the finial scene as they planned their last date together both knowing that cap was about to die (Yes I know that has been done before but it worked for me).
Lastly what could have been more touching when Peggy sadly pulled out the picture of skinny Steve, it was at that moment you new she had fallen for him the person in the cab not when he had been transformed.
And for those who didn't get the emotion of the last scene with cap in the future saying with sad eyes he had a date. I thought it was a stroke of genius to reduce their love for each other into one line. You could feel the regret in his heart as he spoke that simple sentence.
In fact it was so true to the character of Caption America in this movie, a man of action and very few words.
I will agree the pacing was erratic but I think with a movie that had to tell an origin story and so much more JJ the director did a hell of a job.
Oh! one more thing :) not sure how you can say you don't know any hard core comics fans who thought the romance between the two worked?
Spend a little time reading the reviews thread for the movie at this site you'll find many of those hard core comic there! :)

What 50yroldfffan said.
:yay:

[Captain27]

It was a very powerful scene.
I felt sad. I might have watered up a bit I don't remember. But I didn't really cry.

The believability of the romance is what drove the scene home. You wanted them to be together, you know they were meant to be together, but you also know he couldn't have made any other choice.

What made it more impactful for me personally is that I saw my own relationship with my GF reflected in theirs in some ways (my GF is even English and I'm American. She's tough and I could totally see her in that shooting the shield scene), which connected it for me in a way it otherwise might not have. And made the ending that much sadder.


However.
I was actually extremely DISAPPOINTED with how the movie ultimately ended. The movie would have been a lot more powerful if they had ended on making you believe rogers was dead (especially since comic heroes are almost never killed off in movies), and only then show you he was in modern times after the credits.
At the very least they shouldn't have ended it on such a high musical note. And for anyone not familiar with the comics it might not be obvious to them rogers was frozen and survived that way. They don't ever make that clear.
Although that that point I'm arguing about achieving perfection, because although it took away some of the impact of the plane crash it was still impactful enough that it didn't ruin the movie (and knowing what would happen anyway, it still hit me. I just don't think they gave us enough time to really let the loss sink in).


It is my personal favorite marvel movie. I was looking forward to this for years. I was hoping they would do it right. They didn't disappoint. It could have been better, but it did so much right that I can overlook what it did wrong.

I think one reviewer nailed it when he said that the after credits ending, rather than leaving you looking forward to the avengers, actually leaves you wishing for more Captain America movies. I had a similar feeling.

[herolee10]

Well, you gotta admit, when compared to the two other MCU Hero films that ended with the Hero being separated from his love interest due to the acts of his heroism (Thor and Hulk), Captain America's film certainly leaves the biggest emotional impact out of all of them.

I didn't feel nearly as sad for Thor and Banner as I did for Steve.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually did feel bad for both Thor and Banner, but I agree at the same time that this scene in Cap did pull on the heartstrings a little.

I think what made Peggy's and Rogers romance that bit more emotional was that even in the little amount of time they spent together, you could tell they were in love, and the fact that they didnt really get to be together other than a quick kiss made that final scene a bit more emotional as well.

[batpirisss]

I respect all of what was said. Here is what I am saying. As for some back story let me say that I am a woman, a grown woman, and worked on the film. I have been working in film for 15 years now. I have been reading books my whole life. I never want a comic movie to fail. But...

Breaking down the story panel by panel doesn’t sum up the experience of the movie. I could take the intentions of the worst movie of all time and write it out point by point because I have some vested interest in it but that doesn’t make it good. If you saw the film and got into it great, I am jealous as I wish every film could push my buttons like that. But there were big problems with the pacing of the film in general and the chemistry between the leads even on set, that's just how films go. In contrast, though I didn't work the flick, but the last hulk had a great connection between the leads Norton and Tyler and I honestly usually don't enjoy her. But it was felt by everyone on set.

Point by point the story should have been working it all sounds good. But looking at the film as a film and not a comic film of a character I like, judging it against any character piece, the story never got smoothly going it was choppy. No one I personally worked with on the film, nor from the industry, or went to the film with or talked to, felt the movie moved right. But everyone thought it looked ridiculously beautiful. The movie not working doesn’t make a hardcore fan happy, I again want all comic based films to be beyond great which is my point. I guess we hope that if fans ask for more, than we will get it. We hope comic fans will be creative fans and not fan boys arguing about Marvel and DC like they are football teams. And that includes great films like Nolans, which are great films just in some peoples eyes not great Batman films. At least not the Batman we grew up with in the comics, maybe an alternate universe Batman with a hard lisp and poorly shot fight scenes. Anyway sorry for the tangent.

I hope that clears my point up and sorry if I insulted anyone but I hope that you might get where I am coming from. I always ask myself if this was just a story with no action, special effects, costumes, just about the characters would I have liked it.

[Mysteryman]

I think that the reason a lot of people (myself included) were emotionallly moved by Peggy and Steve's story is they seem to have great chemisty but they never got a chance to find out how they would be together.

[Mysteryman]

I actually did feel bad for both Thor and Banner, but I agree at the same time that this scene in Cap did pull on the heartstrings a little.

I think what made Peggy's and Rogers romance that bit more emotional was that even in the little amount of time they spent together, you could tell they were in love, and the fact that they didnt really get to be together other than a quick kiss made that final scene a bit more emotional as well.
That is what i was trying to say.
You said it better.

[50yroldfffan]

I respect all of what was said. Here is what I am saying. As for some back story let me say that I am a woman, a grown woman, and worked on the film. I have been working in film for 15 years now. I have been reading books my whole life. I never want a comic movie to fail. But...

Breaking down the story panel by panel doesn’t sum up the experience of the movie. I could take the intentions of the worst movie of all time and write it out point by point because I have some vested interest in it but that doesn’t make it good. If you saw the film and got into it great, I am jealous as I wish every film could push my buttons like that. But there were big problems with the pacing of the film in general and the chemistry between the leads even on set, that's just how films go. In contrast, though I didn't work the flick, but the last hulk had a great connection between the leads Norton and Tyler and I honestly usually don't enjoy her. But it was felt by everyone on set.

Point by point the story should have been working it all sounds good. But looking at the film as a film and not a comic film of a character I like, judging it against any character piece, the story never got smoothly going it was choppy. No one I personally worked with on the film, nor from the industry, or went to the film with or talked to, felt the movie moved right. But everyone thought it looked ridiculously beautiful. The movie not working doesn’t make a hardcore fan happy, I again want all comic based films to be beyond great which is my point. I guess we hope that if fans ask for more, than we will get it. We hope comic fans will be creative fans and not fan boys arguing about Marvel and DC like they are football teams. And that includes great films like Nolans, which are great films just in some peoples eyes not great Batman films. At least not the Batman we grew up with in the comics, maybe an alternate universe Batman with a hard lisp and poorly shot fight scenes. Anyway sorry for the tangent.

I hope that clears my point up and sorry if I insulted anyone but I hope that you might get where I am coming from. I always ask myself if this was just a story with no action, special effects, costumes, just about the characters would I have liked it.
Thanks for the follow up!
I wonder if this could be a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees. :)
You say your worked on the film and saw some dysfunction plus have worked in the film business for 15 years. I hope working on this film hasn't left you just a little bit jaded :(
I really do respect your opinion and those of the circle of friends who's opinions you respect.
I'm just sorry you couldn't enjoy the movie as I did.
Let me give you some background on me.
I am that hardcore comic fan who grew up on Marvel Comics in the 60's.
To me these characters were more then pictures on paper they were alive. I'm also an illustrator, who even at my young age in the 60's looked at comics with the critical eye of a budding artist. I came to appreciate giants like Jack Kirby and many others for their talent of story telling through pictures, each in his or her own unique way and style. (Kirby was the best!)
I'm also a huge movie buff who has loved movies of all generes and from all angles cinematography, editing, writing, lighting, special effects, the list goes on.
Do I call this a perfect movie? no!
I agree with your comment that it was a ridiculously beautiful movie to look at.
Was the pacing choppy at times? Yes!
At times the jumps or cuts from scene to scene were abrupt and almost took me out of the moment.
But taken as a whole I loved this movie! I loved the details of the movie, the Easter eggs and the deft handling of the comic book material.
I loved the innocence and flavor of the period (40's) that JJ captured and the slick job of taking a character who in original red, white, and blue uniform could have fallen of the cheesy chart but instead was incorporated into the USO show that celebrated it. And cheers to the designers that then took said uniform and turned it into a practical real life old school look that we the viewer could believe he could fight in.
So many things were right about this movie (like the acting) then were wrong.
I'm afraid many of the critics who didn't get it just had to move from in front of that proverbial tree they were standing in front of to see the forest behind it. :)
I have to say again I liked the simple clean love story.
Was it a Doctor Zhivago love story? No!
But it worked for me, plus I wasn't looking for that terrible angst that was the love story in the Fountain. lol
I took joy watching this movies through the eyes of an adult movie lover/kid who loved these comics in the 60's.
Speaking of DC I'm glad the movie didn't move to the Batman/Nolan style of darkness. That's not what Caps origin story is about, besides it's been done ad nauseam.
I was so over the.. if I talk low and raspy nobody will know it's me (batman voice) in the last movie. lol
Thank god the movie was saved by the acting genius of the late Heath Ledger. nuff said!
I'm glad I didn't work on this movie.
I could experience it and the love story fresh. For me it wasn't tainted by the reality of the set or cries for MAKE UP!! lol
And like I said before as one reads through the majority of the fan reviews you'll find a good mix of hardcore and newbie fans who agree it was a darn good movie. The majority got what JJ was trying to sell them..
FUN!
Oh! one last thing! I loved how the previews showed a clip of Peggy unloading a clip on Caps shield. When in the reality of the movie she was actually acting out a bit of jealous rage after catching Cap smooching with some random dame.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! lol

[Captain27]

I don't even remember bruce having a love interest in the second hulk movie - That's how little it impacted me.

But in captain america it had the most impact of anything else in the movie.

Different things reasonate with people differently based on their character and where they are in life.
So anyone saying the love story had no chemistry or effectiveness in captain america, as though it were an objective analysis, is merely giving their own personal opinion based on how they received it.

[50yroldfffan]

I don't even remember bruce having a love interesting in the second hulk movie - That's how little it impacted me.

But in captain america it had the most impact of anything else in the movie.

Different things reasonate with people differently based on their character and where they are in life.
So anyone saying the love story had no chemistry or effectiveness in captain america, as though it were an objective analysis, is merely giving their own personal opinion based on how they received it.
Ditto! Of the super hero loves stories I've seen this one I enjoyed the most. Unrequited love can be the best. Unrequited love has long been depicted as noble, an unselfish and stoic willingness to accept suffering. Thats cap :-)

[shieldmaiden]

I actually got misty during the grenade scene. I knew it was coming because of the 2nd trailer, but it still got me...and I don't know why! Its not like it was sad. I think it effected me like that because I was so happy that they really nailed Rogers' character in that moment...and in many more as well!
What a freakin' great movie!

OMG yeah! I'm glad I'm not the only one...

[shieldmaiden]

Ditto! Of the super hero loves stories I've seen this one I enjoyed the most. Unrequited love can be the best. Unrequited love has long been depicted as noble, an unselfish and stoic willingness to accept suffering. Thats cap :-)

I really wanted to believe in the love story in this... I've got history of talking tough (LOVED Black Widow's "Love is for children" line) but am really a big-time softie at heart.

I didn't see any potential love interest from the potential heroine until AFTER Steve's big transformation. Yep, they talked in the cab, and she liked him... but to me, it seemed like he was permanently "friend-zoned"-- until she realized she was gonna end up losing him to someone else (Like that hot blonde that smooched him!) unless she reciprocated his crush on her. It seemed like it was more the injury to her pride that got her attention than anything real. You know?

I love Cap-- don't get me wrong-- but the dude has an awful lot to learn about women. Ha! He's been out of it so long, he might not even know about The Pill. Someone had better talk to him... if Tony did it, it'd be hilarious!

Modern women could be the worst thing that ever happened to him. Super abilities and strength, plus good looks and a kind, unselfish nature... sorry, but to a lot of single women, that's just a prey animal waiting to be hung on the wall like a trophy to their own "hotness." No consideration for HIM, at all...

Also, I think part of Steve's fixation on Peggy was that she WASN'T seeming to be interested in him "in that way"... having a crush on a completely unattainable woman would feel very comfortable and familiar to him, as I'm sure it probably wasn't the first time. Ha- it was probably a way of LIFE! Being all caught up in someone unavailable would be a safe way for him to dip a toe into "love" without having to deal with the messy issues of "does she really love me for ME?" that would have to be addressed sometime if he were a real guy...

I really WANTED there to be a better love story... I waited, and hoped she'd catch on. Eventually, she did... and it was ok. There, toward the end, she was starting to reciprocate his feelings. But it would have been better if it could have developed a little more before the "super soldier" transformation. Someone who could have loved him for HIM would have been a lot more believable and deserving than someone who just wants to bang themself a super-hottie.

Cap's kind of like a really gorgeous woman that started out as an "ugly duckling" and then grew into her looks later. He had time to develop a genuine personality and some baggage... and that'd make him a bit cynical about all the attention he'd get after his transformation.

From a dramatic story point of view, whatever happens with Cap's future love life doesn't matter so much... I think it'd be kind of realistic to have it take a while to get himself sorted out that way. But from a fan point of view? I think we'd all like him to be happy, eventually-- and preferably with a female lead character that is MORE than just a pretty face. There's so much potential there for a really epic romance... not just a "comic book" romance.

If I were writing this, I'd love to see him have a female friend that's kind of an ordinary gal-- one who's got a personality, compassion, and some of her own issues along with that spark of goodness like he has. This gal and would totally friend-zone him for a while because SHE wouldn't feel worthy of him or able to compete with the other chicks that are throwing themselves at him. It could lead to some awesome missed connections and subtle humor, and I think it'd feel real to the audiences. As an average woman, I can say with authority--it's a lot easier on the heart to be "just friends" than admit you're head over heels for a guy that's everything you'd want, but will probably pick someone a lot prettier than you. (Trust me, I LIVED this once! ;) ) I think Joss Whedon could carry something like this off awesomely-- look at Kaylee, from Firefly, a genuine soul, girl-next-door good looks. Perfect. :D

I thought that waitress character might have potential, once I heard what was going on in the deleted scenes. It would make me all kinds of fangirl happy to have the above scenario played out over the course of several movies... and I'd totally pay good money to see Tony try to explain modern women to Cap. And then hilarity would ensue...

[BullMcGiveny]

I really wanted to believe in the love story in this... I've got history of talking tough (LOVED Black Widow's "Love is for children" line) but am really a big-time softie at heart.

I didn't see any potential love interest from the potential heroine until AFTER Steve's big transformation. Yep, they talked in the cab, and she liked him... but to me, it seemed like he was permanently "friend-zoned"-- until she realized she was gonna end up losing him to someone else (Like that hot blonde that smooched him!) unless she reciprocated his crush on her. It seemed like it was more the injury to her pride that got her attention than anything real. You know?

I love Cap-- don't get me wrong-- but the dude has an awful lot to learn about women. Ha! He's been out of it so long, he might not even know about The Pill. Someone had better talk to him... if Tony did it, it'd be hilarious!

Modern women could be the worst thing that ever happened to him. Super abilities and strength, plus good looks and a kind, unselfish nature... sorry, but to a lot of single women, that's just a prey animal waiting to be hung on the wall like a trophy to their own "hotness." No consideration for HIM, at all...

Also, I think part of Steve's fixation on Peggy was that she WASN'T seeming to be interested in him "in that way"... having a crush on a completely unattainable woman would feel very comfortable and familiar to him, as I'm sure it probably wasn't the first time. Ha- it was probably a way of LIFE! Being all caught up in someone unavailable would be a safe way for him to dip a toe into "love" without having to deal with the messy issues of "does she really love me for ME?" that would have to be addressed sometime if he were a real guy...

I really WANTED there to be a better love story... I waited, and hoped she'd catch on. Eventually, she did... and it was ok. There, toward the end, she was starting to reciprocate his feelings. But it would have been better if it could have developed a little more before the "super soldier" transformation. Someone who could have loved him for HIM would have been a lot more believable and deserving than someone who just wants to bang themself a super-hottie.

Cap's kind of like a really gorgeous woman that started out as an "ugly duckling" and then grew into her looks later. He had time to develop a genuine personality and some baggage... and that'd make him a bit cynical about all the attention he'd get after his transformation.

From a dramatic story point of view, whatever happens with Cap's future love life doesn't matter so much... I think it'd be kind of realistic to have it take a while to get himself sorted out that way. But from a fan point of view? I think we'd all like him to be happy, eventually-- and preferably with a female lead character that is MORE than just a pretty face. There's so much potential there for a really epic romance... not just a "comic book" romance.

If I were writing this, I'd love to see him have a female friend that's kind of an ordinary gal-- one who's got a personality, compassion, and some of her own issues along with that spark of goodness like he has. This gal and would totally friend-zone him for a while because SHE wouldn't feel worthy of him or able to compete with the other chicks that are throwing themselves at him. It could lead to some awesome missed connections and subtle humor, and I think it'd feel real to the audiences. As an average woman, I can say with authority--it's a lot easier on the heart to be "just friends" than admit you're head over heels for a guy that's everything you'd want, but will probably pick someone a lot prettier than you. (Trust me, I LIVED this once! ;) ) I think Joss Whedon could carry something like this off awesomely-- look at Kaylee, from Firefly, a genuine soul, girl-next-door good looks. Perfect. :D

I thought that waitress character might have potential, once I heard what was going on in the deleted scenes. It would make me all kinds of fangirl happy to have the above scenario played out over the course of several movies... and I'd totally pay good money to see Tony try to explain modern women to Cap. And then hilarity would ensue...
But she did like him for him before the transformation. She's certainly impressed when he outsmarts his platoon and his DI, and during the grenade scene she runs toward him rather than away. There's also a subtle moment when she lingers around Steve and Erskine has to remind her she should be elsewhere. She isn't in love, but she's certainly fond of him.

Aside from the groping, which is as much Is it real? Dead it really work?eyes deceive me as Hello beefcake! she acts pretty much the same around Cap even post-transformation. She only "falls" for him when he comes back with the POWs.

[Radioactive1980]

That scene was gutwrenching. I absolutely loved how they did it! It wasn't cliche, it was well acted. It was just so well done. It was the most emotional I have gotten for any of the films to this point in the Marvel Studios films. The romance was really well sold.

I thought it was sad and I became a little misty eyed, but Atwell was not as good as she could have been. It looked like she was acting sad, rarther than actually feeling sad.

[Gale]

When I first saw the movie I thought the romance was really rushed (the next few times the pacing got better), but I always thought their last scene was done really well. And then the "I had a date" line. Oh Steve, love ya... that DC is how you make a boy scout hero endearing (praying "Man of Steel" does better with Clark's personality)!

[the last son]

The best love story in any comic book movie. Loved the chemistry between these two. 5/5 for their love story.