The ending, did you go WTF? *spoilers of course*

[spider_rob]

Did any of you feel that the ending was abrupt? "I had a date" and then cut to black. I think it shocked the audience I watched with, and left them kind of confused. I think that's a big reason there was no applause at the end, because they didn't know how to respond. Me and my GF discussed if it would have been better if it had him visiting Peggy's grave, or visiting her children or something. Instead it just seemed like the film makers were expecting the audience to just roll with it until Avengers comes out.

[C. Lee]

People applauded at the theater I saw it at.

[blah]

yeah, people at my theatre laughed a bit. The smart ones who waited for the end credits totally lost it with glee as they watched the Avengers trailer before applauding wildly at its end!

[Flint Marko]

I thought the EXACT same thing, but I was so in enraptured with the entire film I let it slide. My audience loved it though, and I the girl I saw it with didn't feel it was to abrupt of an ending, so I guess it's not as big of a deal as I originally thought.

[UltimateJustin]

I don't see how having him visit Peggy's grave would have worked. Can't spend too much time with him after he wakes up in modern times, it would have come off to me as a cheesy "we're just doing this because we have to show he's sad" scene and the ending line they had was pretty sad/touching and classier.

[Conundrum]

It was an abrupt cut, but I didn't mind it. The audience at the screening I was at applauded at the end.

I just had an idea. It's possible that The Avengers movie could pick up directly after Cap. So if the two movies were viewed back-to-back, they would be almost seamless.

[WildChild]

I actually love that last line.It had all types of meaning's beyond just the obvious one.It left you a bit sad, which is really important to the origin of Steve.

[Superhero 101]

I liked the ending but i did go Wtf that's it??!! That's how it's going to end?!!

[Invader34]

I hated that Steve was never shown being unfrozen. I was really looking foward to a scene with Steve in bed with wires and breathing tubes hooked up to him, surrounded by SHIELD doctors and scientists trying to see if is still alive, they just jumped past too much there in that last scene. He didnt even seem to be in a very secure location, he just gets up, shoves some guys down and walks out the front door? SHIELD is supposed to be a super secret organization and you just let Captain America walk out the door, not that big a deal I guess but that scene just rubbed me the wrong way.

[blah]

they didn't really just let him "walk away", they thought he'd buy their little show long enough to ease him into the modern world. However they did underestimate his memory and strength; but who would have guessed his mind and body would be so readily responsive so quickly after being frozen?

[fixxxer1022]

it was brilliant... i hope they show him being dethawed in the avengers though.

[Solidus]

Glad I'm not the only one that felt this. This movie was superb, had the best emotional core out of any of Marvel Studios films, I loved it. But right at the end, they could have had something that just made it all the more powerful.

Showing Capt frozen, and have a montage of a passage of time, all that he loves and who he loves is going away and he is being left behind. That is so core to the character later on, I really felt like what the hell? Why did they not have a scene like that? It would have been emotionally sad but satisfying. And the cut to the end, going from a sad line, and putting in triumphal music a split second later was really awkward. Still loved the film, just the ending and what could have been kinda made it a little less than what it could have been.,

[marcvader]

They can still show all the dethawing in Avengers. The scene where Mjolnir in discovered after the credits in IM2 was repeated in Thor. Who knows, they can give us more at the beginning of Avengers.

[Prison Mike]

If Steve was never frozen would he have aged naturally? I know his cells regenerate at a fast pace (like Wolverine) so even if he was never stuck in a block of ice, he would probably outlive everyone close to him anyway right?

[Solidus]

They can still show all the dethawing in Avengers. The scene where Mjolnir in discovered after the credits in IM2 was repeated in Thor. Who knows, they can give us more at the beginning of Avengers.

But it should be self-contained in the film, it would have made the film more of a whole. The emotional moment was leading up to it, we had all the background and the momentum going it would have worked way better in Capt itself rather than Avengers.

[EML420]

I think my audience was confused to becasue there was no clapping at all and when I wen to see TF 3 there was lol.

[Kalonthar]

SHIELD is supposed to be a super secret organization and you just let Captain America walk out the door

Reminds me of my favorite line from IM2. "Whoa, whoa, whoa. He took it? You're Iron Man and he just took it? The little brother walked in there, kicked your ass and took your suit? Is that possible?"

[Golgo-13]

It did end abruptly. I don't know about the visiting Peggy's Grave thing, but maybe slowly pan the camera back and get a birds eye view of Cap looking all around at time square, would have worked better.

[Banana-Hotdog]

Thor was abrupt too. I enjoyed both movies but the endings felt like a big middle finger. Like it's a twist hat what you were watching for the past 2 hours was a teaser all along for the real movie which is The Avengers.

Edit: Another thing I didn't like was the contrast between the sad "I had a date" line with the triumphant music that played immediately after it.

[Surge38]

Showing Capt frozen, and have a montage of a passage of time, all that he loves and who he loves is going away and he is being left behind. That is so core to the character later on, I really felt like what the hell? ,

The way I see it, there are TWO different kinds of "suspension of dis-belielf" associated with a movie like this. The first, is the obvious one...the second kind is specific to people like us, who KNOW the story already.

The movie has to assume that everyone does NOT know that cap is thawed in modern day, that he wakes up and joins a world that has left him behind. Yes, it is part of the pop culture, but for storytelling purposes they have to assume that NO ONE knows what will happen.

Rather than let us in on what was happening as it happed, the filmakers chose to allow us to experience some of the confusion and uncertaintly that cap was feelin WITH him. NOT showing him thaw, and making it seem that he was in a 1940's hospital accomplished that....think about it...if you had never HEARD of cap before, you'd be in for quite an emotional ride as you discover what caps discovers AS he discovers it.

[IAmTheKnight]

Wow, people wanted it to be MORE sad? My problem was really that it should have been two movies. The film was such a fun, excellent adventure film, and so well done, and really my only two gripes are that the Howling Commandos should have been more fleshed out and that I didn't want to follow this kind of film with such a downbeat ending, especially going right into the uplifting "Captain America March." It should have been that the first film would establish Captain America's origins, introduce the characters, and give more room to build up his training and his growth as a leader. Then the next film would deal with the events leading up to his freezing, and ending more or less as this film did. That way you have a sort of Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back relationship, where you have one film to just be able to enjoy it as a standalone, feel-good adventure, and the next really starts to pile on the drama.

Barring that, though, I do think that keeping the originally intended flow of the awakening happening after the credits would do a WORLD of good. Ending with the boy with the painted trash can lid ends things with a reminder of the good that Cap has accomplished and the positive influence he has been, and would segue beautifully into not just the upbeat end credits music, but also the patriotic imagery. By concluding the film proper in this manner, the focus remains on things relevant to the themes of the film: despite his loss and the loss of his friends, Steve has stuck to his principles as Dr. Erskine said, and done his part to help.

[Superhero 101]

Another thing that bugged me is how he reacted when he found out that he was asleep for 70 years he was just like ok i am in the year 2000. What i really liked about the ending is that it made me want to see more of Cap. Like him seeing Peggy and him meeting the Members of the Howling Comando that are still alive

[Solidus]

The way I see it, there are TWO different kinds of "suspension of dis-belielf" associated with a movie like this. The first, is the obvious one...the second kind is specific to people like us, who KNOW the story already.

The movie has to assume that everyone does NOT know that cap is thawed in modern day, that he wakes up and joins a world that has left him behind. Yes, it is part of the pop culture, but for storytelling purposes they have to assume that NO ONE knows what will happen.

Rather than let us in on what was happening as it happed, the filmakers chose to allow us to experience some of the confusion and uncertaintly that cap was feelin WITH him. NOT showing him thaw, and making it seem that he was in a 1940's hospital accomplished that....think about it...if you had never HEARD of cap before, you'd be in for quite an emotional ride as you discover what caps discovers AS he discovers it.

The only problem with that is I think it made it quite clear that he was frozen to present day from the opening scene. It even says 1943 after showing the frozen shield. I think having that scene really already gave the audience the knowledge they needed to know, I don't think it was much of a shock to the audience when he was really in present day. It would have been much more powerful to show the freezing of him, and all that he loves being taken by the ravages of time.

But having said that I still love the movie I just would love an extended edition (only for that one scene). Though again I thought it was a great movie. Just the ending kinda was the one thing that let me down, but still a great film.

[SuperSoldier985]

Another thing that bugged me is how he reacted when he found out that he was asleep for 70 years he was just like ok i am in the year 2000.
Oh, you must've read that wrong. He looked totally devastated..

[YoungE808]

I loved it, the whole scene reminded me of Ultimate Avengers

[samsnee]

I liked the ending a lot. Actually, I liked the ending between Peggy and Steve a lot. It was a nice reminder about how some soldiers go off to war, and never get a chance to say goodbye to their loved ones.

[piccolo]

Thought it was brilliant, perfectly dramatic, and saddening. I can see the other viewpoint though. Everything was a little disjointed, some are going to like it some aren't.

[spider_rob]

Thought it was brilliant, perfectly dramatic, and saddening. I can see the other viewpoint though. Everything was a little disjointed, some are going to like it some aren't.

I just thought it was weird and kinda cheap, since it was probably done that way just because Avengers is coming up. If there was no Avengers movie coming, then maybe I would think differently about it.

[Superhero 101]

Oh, you must've read that wrong. He looked totally devastated..

i don't think he looked to devastated he should have atleast asked like if we won the war or something

[Rogers America]

Another thing I didn't like was the contrast between the sad "I had a date" line with the triumphant music that played immediately after it.

I completely thought the opposite. I think using the rousing march theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsO-lttHb8k) immediately after was PERFECT for a few reasons:

Firstly, yes the moment before was sad, but it's also a reminder of the goodness and heroism of the character.

Secondly, why should composer Alan Silvestri (whose score was FANTASTIC) who greatly added to the sadness of that scene not be allowed to have "his" moment in the spotlight?

Lastly, did you ever see The Empire Strikes Back? Last time I checked that went from being on a downer to John Williams' upbeat and rousing end credits music. That's just one example of many occasions with this occurring in past films as well.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsO-lttHb8k)

[DrCosmic]

I thought it was really, really abrupt, and I wasn't touched by it much at all. I think a much sweeter ending would have been him dancing at the pub 'for old time's sake' with a 90 year old married with great grandkids Peggy Dugan.

i don't think he looked to devastated he should have atleast asked like if we won the war or something

That would have been a great line to throw in.

[WildcatNC]

I think they should have lingered on Chris a few seconds more and let him act out the moment. Show how he was feeling a little more.

[Hurm...]

The people in my theater really liked it. They went "Awwww...." followed by applause.

My favorite MARVEL movie ending to date.

[LuisTX85]

I loved the whole ending and most people in my theater seemed cool with it too!!

[Octavias]

The one thing I didnt like about the way things are set up so far is the timeline. In the end they announced he was asleep for 70 years... if Cap happened in the mid fourties, and stark was say, in his early 20's... how old was he when Tony was born? Tony had to be born no earlier than the early 70's, so his dad would have been what? in his 50's when he was born?... too many of these events are too dated to use the way marvel is right now.... there needed to be at least one generation between the ww2 group and the modern group. that should have been tony's granddad, ort even great grandad not dad in this movie.... that or they should have moved the current date back to the 90's when all the modern stuff is happening....

[Spider-Vader]

The people in my theater really liked it. They went "Awwww...." followed by applause.

My favorite MARVEL movie ending to date.

I don't know, I LOVE Tony revealing his identity & it cutting into Black Sabbath's Iron Man.

[TomPiltoff]

I actually love that last line.It had all types of meaning's beyond just the obvious one.

Such as?

if Cap happened in the mid fourties, and stark was say, in his early 20's... how old was he when Tony was born? Tony had to be born no earlier than the early 70's, so his dad would have been what? in his 50's when he was born?... too many of these events are too dated to use the way marvel is right now

What's so implausible about a guy like Stark having a kid in his 50's?

[Leenie]

I thought the ending was perfect ...

[UltimateJustin]

I think they should have lingered on Chris a few seconds more and let him act out the moment. Show how he was feeling a little more.
This is why you guys are 'rons on a message board and not film makers.

[Mace Dolex]

I kind of had an inkling that the ending would be abrupt but I thought it would end with rescuers having discovered Captain America on ice followed by a fade to black.

But I think the pre-Avenger teaser of CA punching the bag in the gym would've been the perfect ending since it allows Nick Fury to explain the Avengers plan.

[theShape]

I had no problem with the ending itself, but as some have said, the music that followed was really off-putting. I'm all for rousing, upbeat film music but that stupid song was annoying as hell and made it painful to sit through the credits.

[Rogers America]

I had no problem with the ending itself, but as some have said, the music that followed was really off-putting. I'm all for rousing, upbeat film music but that stupid song was annoying as hell and made it painful to sit through the credits.

I agree about the Star Spangled Man song (particularly in the end credits), not a fan, but the March by Silvestri was first class, and I loved it starting up as the credits began. I had no problem with it, as I've already stated.

[TomPiltoff]

This is why you guys are 'rons on a message board and not film makers.

Yeah, OK, thanks UltimateJustin.

[RedSkull]

The ending was just about perfect...though I cant help but wonder if it would have been too much or just right if he went to visit Peggy as an old woman

[UltimateJustin]

I had no problem with the ending itself, but as some have said, the music that followed was really off-putting. I'm all for rousing, upbeat film music but that stupid song was annoying as hell and made it painful to sit through the credits.
Not Menken's finest work, I like it but I can understand people finding it annoying. Once was probably enough.

[Blackman]

It did end abruptly. I don't know about the visiting Peggy's Grave thing, but maybe slowly pan the camera back and get a birds eye view of Cap looking all around at time square, would have worked better.

This

[UltimateJustin]

This
Yeah, I agree. That would be better than cramming in some entirely new scene of him "dealing" with it, and would give a sense of the great scope of the change that he's been instantly thrown into the middle of.

[Spider-Fan]

I thought it was really, really abrupt, and I wasn't touched by it much at all. I think a much sweeter ending would have been him dancing at the pub 'for old time's sake' with a 90 year old married with great grandkids Peggy Dugan.



That would have been a great line to throw in.

That may still happen in Avengers. This film wasn't about giving closure to Cap's full journey...it was showing his journey in the 40s. This film just introduced that idea, which Avengers will expand upon. So, I feel the ending was perfect.

[misjuevos]

Steve visiting a 90 something Peggy or her grave is saved for a sequel or the avengers.

[RedSkull]

I think that would have been more meaningful in this movie...it has no bearing on the avengers.

[Spider-Fan]

I think that would have been more meaningful in this movie...it has no bearing on the avengers.

Yes it does. Because Cap will have a character arc in Avengers. He won't just be in the movie. His arc will be coming to terms with what happened to him. Thus, it VERY MUCH has bearing on Avengers.

[Liam_H]

Yes it does. Because Cap will have a character arc in Avengers. He won't just be in the movie. His arc will be coming to terms with what happened to him. Thus, it VERY MUCH has bearing on Avengers.

Is there any confirmation that this will be touched upon in the Avengers? All I've heard so far is that Righetti might be playing Sharon Carter and that her role in the Avengers might be to help Steve adjust to being frozen for 70 years and losing everyone. I certainly hope they do but they already have so much to juggle in the story.

[Spider-Fan]

Is there any confirmation that this will be touched upon in the Avengers? All I've heard so far is that Righetti might be playing Sharon Carter and that her role in the Avengers might be to help Steve adjust to being frozen for 70 years and losing everyone. I certainly hope they do but they already have so much to juggle in the story.

Even if they don't, we're prob getting a Captain America 2. They can do that in Cap 2, if they so choose. Also, Sharon Carter possibly being in Avengers would tell me it WILL be touched upon.

[Liam_H]

Even if they don't, we're prob getting a Captain America 2. They can do that in Cap 2, if they so choose. Also, Sharon Carter possibly being in Avengers would tell me it WILL be touched upon.

I see. I'm guessing we'll see snippets of it with Steve/Sharon talking or sharing a few moments. But the world is in danger and Cap is gonna push aside his issues for now to go save the world because that's the guy he is.

[AndrewGilkison]

The scene in the Avengers trailer with Steve and Fury indicates to me that Cap will be dealing with adjusting to the new time period. Out of all the Avengers, I think he'll be the one with the best character arc.

[WildcatNC]

Yeah, I agree. That would be better than cramming in some entirely new scene of him "dealing" with it, and would give a sense of the great scope of the change that he's been instantly thrown into the middle of.

Since you have an opinion also I guess this applies to you as well. :oldrazz:

This is why you guys are 'rons on a message board and not film makers.

[Thundercrack85]

Well, they only had one movie. It would have been better if they had done more than one, but they simply didn't have the time.

They could have used the beginning as the ending (or a scene like it). But that would have left a lot of people unsatisfied as well.

[UltimateJustin]

Since you have an opinion also I guess this applies to you as well. :oldrazz:
I don't see how that factors in.

[herolee10]

Anyone else get the feeling that the film was originally meant to close off at the scene where we see the kids running around the streets in the 40's with trash can lids painted as CA's Shield?

Since the scene in Modern Day New York was NOT filmed by Joe but instead by Whedon, I'm thinking that originally, the post credit scene was meant to be Steve waking up, but somewhere along the middle, they decided to have the post credit scene be a Avengers Teaser instead.

[gmanca]

They keep saying it was shot by Whedon, yet Joe was on set, right next to them; I don't get it.

Maybe it's too simplistic of an idea, but what would have been great is if right after he said the "date" line, there was cut to an older Peggy reminiscing over the photo she had from the dossier she kept. It would have given the same type of pulling at the heart strings as the ending to the dog episode in Futurama does.

[herolee10]

They keep saying it was shot by Whedon, yet Joe was on set, right next to them; I don't get it.

Maybe it's too simplistic of an idea, but what would have been great is if right after he said the "date" line, there was cut to an older Peggy reminiscing over the photo she had from the dossier she kept. It would have given the same type of pulling at the heart strings as the ending to the dog episode in Futurama does.

I guess, like Thor did, they want to keep the full resolution for closure in regards to the Hero's love interest saved for their respective sequels.

[gridlockd]

It reminded me of the end of Thor (where he doesn't get the girl) which reminded me of the end of Spider-Man (where he doesn't get the girl.)

In fact, if this movie has a failing, is that it reminded me of too many other comic-book movies.

[gridlockd]

Anyone else get the feeling that the film was originally meant to close off at the scene where we see the kids running around the streets in the 40's with trash can lids painted as CA's Shield?

Since the scene in Modern Day New York was NOT filmed by Joe but instead by Whedon, I'm thinking that originally, the post credit scene was meant to be Steve waking up, but somewhere along the middle, they decided to have the post credit scene be a Avengers Teaser instead.


Hmm. You're right. Ending with that kid in the 40's would have sucked though. Maybe test audiences told them that. I thought it was going to end there and I would have been pretty disappointed. However, the Times Square scene would have been a hell of a post credit tag. It's true, Fury usually shows up after the credits.

[herolee10]

It reminded me of the end of Thor (where he doesn't get the girl) which reminded me of the end of Spider-Man (where he doesn't get the girl.)

In fact, if this movie has a failing, is that it reminded me of too many other comic-book movies.

The difference between CA's ending and the films that you just mentioned is that:

1. Thor ended on a hopeful note; implying that Thor would find his way back to GET his "girl".

2. It was Peter's own choice to NOT get the girl due to his faulty logic.

Steve never had a chance to properly start a real romance with Peggy, and by the time he does, he gets frozen and put into a 70 year sleep, so by the time he wakes up, Peggy is either very old or dead already, thus eliminating any chance that he had with her. That, and Steve's romance with Peggy felt more organic and Peggy didn't come off as poorly as MJ does as a character.

[redhawk23]

I love the last line "I had a date" because it wasn't just about Peggy, it was about his whole life. Awesome line.

[Spider-Fan]

Anyone else get the feeling that the film was originally meant to close off at the scene where we see the kids running around the streets in the 40's with trash can lids painted as CA's Shield?

Since the scene in Modern Day New York was NOT filmed by Joe but instead by Whedon, I'm thinking that originally, the post credit scene was meant to be Steve waking up, but somewhere along the middle, they decided to have the post credit scene be a Avengers Teaser instead.

It was filmed by JJ. He was there on set. The film was supposed to end where it did. It was supposed to introduce the modern day element. Not expand upon it.

[GhostPoet]

I thought it was a good ending...almost no one stayed after the credits.

[Obi-Ron]

This is why you guys are 'rons on a message board and not film makers.

Pardon?

[C. Lee]

Pardon?

Don't think you are the "ron" he's referring to.....

[UltimateJustin]

Don't worry, I got an infraction for that. But I learned my lesson.

Turns out, the only real 'ron here.. was me.

[Whiskey Tango]

I thought it was a cool cliffhanger ending befitting the movie's serial heritage. And Chris sold the hell out of it too.

[Wolfwood]

I was a little surprised with the abrupt ending, but that last line really weighs on you. That's probably the moment I've thought about most since watching it today.

[kaijunexus]

I loved the last line, but it really needed more time to breath. Or, at the very least, we needed some far less triumphant music to play right after it.

Strange choices were made transitioning into those credits...

[Mace Bloodstone]

All the sequels will be in present time?

[the dmg]

All the sequels will be in present time?
I hope not. I really want to see his missions with the Commandos more fleshed out, as there is a lot of time to work with.

[blah]

I think they'll pull the sequels out in a similar way that Brubaker did in the comics; how something he deals with in the present day triggers a memory of his time in the war and eventually he finds closure with what happened in the past, more or less.

[DIRECTOR]

i was like WTF as well. Cap should have gone to Peggy's grave (if there is one) and made a very patriotic speech to her while the Alan Silvestri's score blasts away, and than cut to black.

[Rogers America]

I loved the last line, but it really needed more time to breath. Or, at the very least, we needed some far less triumphant music to play right after it.

Strange choices were made transitioning into those credits...

I've just got back from seeing the film again, and I stick to what I said, the ending worked perfectly and the lead in to Silvestri's memorable rousing march theme for Cap's directly from his bittersweet "I had a date" line was a very good decision. Nothing strange about that choice at all. Kudos to Joe Johnston for choosing to end the film with Cap's theme. It may have been a sad moment, but he is still a guy that represents her:cap:ism at the end of the day.

[gridlockd]

i was like WTF as well. Cap should have gone to Peggy's grave (if there is one) and made a very patriotic speech to her while the Alan Silvestri's score blasts away, and than cut to black.


But I'm sure they wanna save all that fun fish out of water stuff for the Avengers. If he tracks down where she's buried, that would require a lot of adjusting to the new world he's in. They don't want to get into that just yet. Finding her grave would probably require finding her family, and that's a whole 'nother movie.

[RockSP]

Anyone else get the feeling that the film was originally meant to close off at the scene where we see the kids running around the streets in the 40's with trash can lids painted as CA's Shield?

Since the scene in Modern Day New York was NOT filmed by Joe but instead by Whedon, I'm thinking that originally, the post credit scene was meant to be Steve waking up, but somewhere along the middle, they decided to have the post credit scene be a Avengers Teaser instead.

The Whedon scenes should have been the "after the credits" scene, IMO. I think the scene at the very beginning with them finding Cap they shouldn't have shown the audience exactly what was discovered. Then at the end of the movie they could have flashed back to modern day and shown that they had discovered him.

Whedon's scene didn't make a good ending, IMO. But I still liked the movie over all.

[psylockolussus]

The ending SUCKED!

seriously "I had a date"?!

[captainrogers]

The ending SUCKED!

seriously "I had a date"?!

The line actually worked on multiple levels. Great delivery by Evans.
I understand you didn't like the movie as much tho.
(judging by your posts)

[marcvader]

Yeah, this dude has made sure to get his insightful views on almost every Cap related thread.

[Shadowlord X]

The ending is very abrupt.

I myself was quite stunned by it and at first I was really unsure about it, but it has grown on me.

Some points of note:
- It is brilliant from one point of view. It is controversial and will have people talking about it which is what you want.
- The triumphant music is very appropriate because CAPTAIN AMERICA IS ALIVE!!!
- They obviously want to deal with the CAP out of time and sense of loss issues in THE AVENGERS and maybe the sequel, so they left it for there.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Didn't they film the ending like, literally, a few months ago? I remember seeing the pictures of Steve Rogers and Nick Fury standing on the streets of modern NY.

[Steyin]

The ending was perfect; just like IM ended with a complete "shock" type moment that leaves you craving more, wanting to know what happens as a result right after, this had the same effect in a way. Here we are left with essentially a scrawny little nothing turned "superhero" waking up in a completely different era of time only to find out he has lost or missed out on the one thing he wanted most/cared about. The subtle delivery of the line shows how sincere a character Cap is.

If you tell me that seeing someone who has just been crushed in understanding the gravity of his situation doesn't strike a nerve/chord/emotion of some kind from you, then I'd call you crazy or heartless. I'd dare say this was the best ending of all the Marvel films to date.

[HighFivingMF]

The ending SUCKED!

seriously "I had a date"?!

I don't think saying what happened is a very in-depth explanation of why you didn't like it.

[Rogers America]

The ending is very abrupt.

I myself was quite stunned by it and at first I was really unsure about it, but it has grown on me.

Some points of note:
- It is brilliant from one point of view. It is controversial and will have people talking about it which is what you want.
- The triumphant music is very appropriate because CAPTAIN AMERICA IS ALIVE!!!
- They obviously want to deal with the CAP out of time and sense of loss issues in THE AVENGERS and maybe the sequel, so they left it for there.

I completely agree!!

[Wolfwood]

So what's up with them putting the ending out online? That's a little...strange.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

So what's up with them putting the ending out online? That's a little...strange.
Well it's not the entire ending though. So they really didn't give anything away.

[RaZaTrOn]

I think the last line works really well into letting the audience understand how Steve feels.

After his conversations about 'This is my choice' etc... he realises that he has let Peggy down. Which leads nicely into the frustration demonstrated in the after credits scene.

[Deathlok]

I saw this last night and felt it was one of the best SH films I have seen, ever. I loved the way that his original uniform was used.
However we are talking about the end scene. Yes, I was a bit dumbfounded at how he just said "I had a date."
But if you think about it, the guy has just been told he has skipped 70 years which means that everybody he knows and cares about is almost certainly dead. That is something which is going to put just about anyone into instant shock. To my mind Evan's delivery of that line is probably one of the most realistic portrayals of someone going into shock I have seen on film in a long time.
In the sequel I would like to see scenes showing Cap adjusting to his new time, this should by definition, include him visiting Peggy's grave.

[psylockolussus]

The line actually worked on multiple levels. Great delivery by Evans.
I understand you didn't like the movie as much tho.
(judging by your posts)

Because I was disappointed.

And the ending really sucked, if it didn't really suck this thread wouldn't be made.

[captainrogers]

Because I was disappointed.

And the ending really sucked, if it didn't really suck this thread wouldn't be made.

No, it didn't REALLY suck. It's not FACT. The thread was made, because, in the OPINION of the threads creator, it seemed abrupt. To You, yes the ending sucked. Maybe even the characters, plot, acting, or the movie as a whole sucked, but that's your opinion. You seem to be posting as if it's bible law.
I could open up a thread entitled, " Gee, the ending TOTALLY ROCKED and WORKED on multiple LEVELS", and going by your logic, it would be true.
Not so, it's simply an opinion.
You didnt like it.
Roger.

[The Infernal]

I thought the ending was great. I could tell when he was talking to Fury that it was going to end there, but I hoped that it wouldn't be too abrupt and ruin a great movie. When I heard the line "I had a date" I thought then that was a great place to cut and it did work for the movie.

[TomPiltoff]

i was like WTF as well. Cap should have gone to Peggy's grave (if there is one) and made a very patriotic speech to her while the Alan Silvestri's score blasts away, and than cut to black.

That's a joke, right?

The ending SUCKED!

seriously "I had a date"?!

The line actually worked on multiple levels.



Level 1: I had a date with Peggy.

Level 2: ?

[gmanca]

There's some thought that the ending was actually meant for a post-credits scene, which makes a lot of sense in how that last line was delivered and would have worked much better.

As it is, I don't think it's the best way to end the movie.

[xeno000]

Level 1: I had a date with Peggy.

Level 2: ?

Level 2: Everyone and everything I knew and loved is gone.


That realization hit Steve when Fury told him that 70 years had passed since he was frozen in the Arctic. The fact that he had completely lost the world he knew came into sharp focus in the last moments of the movie. It was that, as well as the fact that he would never see Peggy again, that made the ending poignant for me upon repeat viewings.

[TomPiltoff]

That realization hit Steve when Fury told him that 70 years had passed since he was frozen in the Arctic. The fact that he had completely lost the world he knew came into sharp focus in the last moments of the movie. It was that, as well as the fact that he would never see Peggy again, that made the ending poignant for me upon repeat viewings.

Yeah I don't disagree that the ending was poignant. I still don't see how 'I had a date' works on multiple levels. it doesn't. Doesn't have to, mind you, because it's good as it is.

[Shazam]

Did any of you feel that the ending was abrupt? "I had a date" and then cut to black. I think it shocked the audience I watched with, and left them kind of confused. I think that's a big reason there was no applause at the end, because they didn't know how to respond. Me and my GF discussed if it would have been better if it had him visiting Peggy's grave, or visiting her children or something. Instead it just seemed like the film makers were expecting the audience to just roll with it until Avengers comes out.


Man...you hit it on the head!!

I did not like the ending....I was thinking about a memory of her final kiss with him....SOMETHING! :doh: I was hoping for a lot more sadness on his face.....maybe even a drop to his knees Charlton Heston moment (Planet of the Apes ending). :woot:

Maybe the Avengers with focus on this angle.... I HOPE!!

[Shazam]

I hated that Steve was never shown being unfrozen. I was really looking foward to a scene with Steve in bed with wires and breathing tubes hooked up to him, surrounded by SHIELD doctors and scientists trying to see if is still alive, they just jumped past too much there in that last scene. He didnt even seem to be in a very secure location, he just gets up, shoves some guys down and walks out the front door? SHIELD is supposed to be a super secret organization and you just let Captain America walk out the door, not that big a deal I guess but that scene just rubbed me the wrong way.


ANOTHER ISSUE I HAD!!! I'm really hoping the Avengers will show flashes of that.

[Shazam]

Glad I'm not the only one that felt this. This movie was superb, had the best emotional core out of any of Marvel Studios films, I loved it. But right at the end, they could have had something that just made it all the more powerful.

Showing Capt frozen, and have a montage of a passage of time, all that he loves and who he loves is going away and he is being left behind. That is so core to the character later on, I really felt like what the hell? Why did they not have a scene like that? It would have been emotionally sad but satisfying. And the cut to the end, going from a sad line, and putting in triumphal music a split second later was really awkward. Still loved the film, just the ending and what could have been kinda made it a little less than what it could have been.,


Instead of the boxing practice scene at the closing scene....we already know he can fight!! How about him sitting on the side of his bed going through his army footlocker (I'm sure it was in storage somewhere) looking at photos.....eyes watering up....etc.....then Fury walks in to say that he still needs a Capt America.....

[C. Lee]

I prefer subtlety to the grand emoting of a massive Noooooooooooooooooooo!

[Shazam]

I prefer subtlety to the grand emoting of a massive Noooooooooooooooooooo!
I agree...thus the footlocker scene would have worked really well....

[Mysteryman]

I prefer subtlety to the grand emoting of a massive Noooooooooooooooooooo!, So,you didnt like the Darth Vader scene at the end of Episode Three?

[Shazam]

"Did we win the War??" :huh:

[Mysteryman]

The boxing scene is from The Avengers,I am not going to judge another film until I see it .

[Mysteryman]

"Did we win the War??" :huh:
I would assume that question is answered by the the thriving Times Square Cap is standing in the middle of , without a swastika in sight.

[DIRECTOR]

That's a joke, right?



UMMMM did you watch Spider-man? the last scene was Peter visiting Ben's grave, made his responsibility speech about what his future will be........ and the hero shot. They should have done that kind of scene with Captain America

- Rogers visits Peggy's grave
- Declares his love and apology to her
- Makes a promise to her about what he stands for and what he believes in doing with his abilities.
- He stands up, as the sun sets or rises depending on the visual look, with this music playing in the background
bTbDWv5BSjE

The last shot, just as the music ends, is him rotating the shield to his back as the camera focuses on his shield.

[captainrogers]

That's a joke, right?



Level 1: I had a date with Peggy.

Level 2: ?

I had a date = lost love
I had a date = literally the era he was from.
That's just me tho.

[captainrogers]

Level 2: Everyone and everything I knew and loved is gone.


That realization hit Steve when Fury told him that 70 years had passed since he was frozen in the Arctic. The fact that he had completely lost the world he knew came into sharp focus in the last moments of the movie. It was that, as well as the fact that he would never see Peggy again, that made the ending poignant for me upon repeat viewings.
Ah. Good. I'm not the only one who got this from that line.

[Spider-Fan]

UMMMM did you watch Spider-man? the last scene was Peter visiting Ben's grave, made his responsibility speech about what his future will be........ and the hero shot. They should have done that kind of scene with Captain America

- Rogers visits Peggy's grave
- Declares his love and apology to her
- Makes a promise to her about what he stands for and what he believes in doing with his abilities.
- He stands up, as the sun sets or rises depending on the visual look, with this music playing in the background
bTbDWv5BSjE

The last shot, just as the music ends, is him rotating the shield to his back as the camera focuses on his shield.

Peggy being alive would be a better way to use her. Death is cliche. Her still being alive is a much stronger symbolic way to show life went on for everyone after Capt. America. Her being dead makes it an idea, but her still being alive is a much stronger, lasting image. It's visual proof that when Steve left, she lived 70 years. It is evidence. It is powerful. Plus, far more original. If Peggy is dead, then they wasted a great opportunity for a subplot and potentially great writing. Who doesn't want to see Steve take an aged Peggy out for that dance they waited 70 years for? I DO!!! Much more potential. The people wanting to see her grave are so shortsighted on this one.

[captainrogers]

Peggy being alive would be a better way to use her. Death is cliche. Her still being alive is a much stronger symbolic way to show life went on for everyone after Capt. America. Her being dead makes it an idea, but her still being alive is a much stronger, lasting image. It's visual proof that when Steve left, she lived 70 years. It is evidence. It is powerful. Plus, far more original. If Peggy is dead, then they wasted a great opportunity for a subplot and potentially great writing. Who doesn't want to see Steve take an aged Peggy out for that dance they waited 70 years for? I DO!!! Much more potential. The people wanting to see her grave are so shortsighted on this one.

Co-signed.

[CaptainCraig]

I loved the ending as did the two women I saw it with. As a matter of fact the Friday night crowd I saw it with there were even a few: Awwww's verbally heard from ladies in the audience.

Worked perfectly and I really don't get the OP's criticisim of it, even having seen it twice. A graveside scene would've been morose. Here you had the feeling of loss without ever having to witness it AND it showed Steve as vulnerable, connected to you, me and the audience.

[The Morningstar]

I think the ending is very effective. The way it cuts as Steve comes to the sudden realisation that the only girl to ever show him affection is probably dead is pretty powerful and heartbreaking. Great acting by Evans there. His facial expression says it all.

[C. Lee]

, So,you didnt like the Darth Vader scene at the end of Episode Three?

Nope...I didn't like that at all.

[The Morningstar]

, So,you didnt like the Darth Vader scene at the end of Episode Three?

How could anyone like that scene? It was horrible.

The scene at the end of Cap is effective because Evans completely sells it. With just a facial expression and his eye movements. That's what acting is about.

[Shazam]

I would assume that question is answered by the the thriving Times Square Cap is standing in the middle of , without a swastika in sight.

He was in a fake room when he woke up.....

Is he suppose to take the word of a sinister looking dude with and eye patch?? Is this really Times Square?

So I think the question would have worked.

[UltimateJustin]

Death is cliche.
QFT.

It's like everybody thinks they have to do it just because they were born, but not me.

[Spider-Fan]

QFT.

It's like everybody thinks they have to do it just because they were born, but not me.

:huh:

This comment is not witty in the least. Everyone knows my point was in regard to death in written/artistic form :whatever:

[Pinky021]

they didn't really just let him "walk away", they thought he'd buy their little show long enough to ease him into the modern world. However they did underestimate his memory and strength; but who would have guessed his mind and body would be so readily responsive so quickly after being frozen?

:up::up:

[UltimateJustin]

Everyone knows my point was in regard to death in written/artistic form :whatever:
Yes, and that suggestion is a fatally insane one.

Where are you getting that death in story-telling is a cliche?

I also don't want to see Chris Evans' fine ass dance with some 88 year old thing. That would be hokey, imo.

But I see where you are coming from, there is probably more story potential with her alive, but that doesn't mean they couldn't make her being dead work as a plot point, either. Death is only a cliche if its the random death of a character because they didn't know what else to do with them. That doesn't necessarily have to be the case here.

[Spider-Fan]

Yes, and that suggestion is a fatally insane one.

Where are you getting that death in story-telling is a cliche?

Looking over someone's grave in movies is standard. Peggy being alive is much more original. Thus, death is cliche. I don't see the leap in logic.

[UltimateJustin]

Looking over someone's grave in movies is standard. Peggy being alive is much more original. Thus, death is cliche. I don't see the leap in logic.
Okay, yes, looking over a grave is definitely a cliche I don't want to see.

But I still think they could incorporate her being dead in a different way, though likely yes, it would narrow down to one of those lame roses on gravestone moments.

[Pinky021]

I liked the ending, you could see the sadness and frustation in Steve,, like he's thinking a lot of things in a few seconds, about his love, his friends,,, you could feel sorry and sad for him, and that last scene delivered,, IMO

[BatmanInc]

He didnt even seem to be in a very secure location, he just gets up, shoves some guys down and walks out the front door?

If by that you mean that he throws two agents through a wall and runs out with a ton of agents chasing him, and others chasing him IN CARS.

He'd probably have gotten away if he didn't notice Times Square.

[BatmanInc]

He was in a fake room when he woke up.....

Is he suppose to take the word of a sinister looking dude with and eye patch?? Is this really Times Square?

So I think the question would have worked.

Wait, so what part of Fury is sinister-looking? By the way you phrased your statement, it sounds like the eyepatch doesn't make him look sinister.

What do you find sinister about a bald black dude?

[TomPiltoff]

What do you find sinister about a bald black dude?

Why do you feel it pertinent to mention his race?

Don't be an idiot. It's Samuel L. Jackson in a trench coat with an eye patch. Looks sinister.

[UltimateJustin]

Why do you feel it pertinent to mention his race?

Don't be an idiot. It's Samuel L. Jackson in a trench coat with an eye patch. Looks sinister.
Especially considering that in Steve's time, a black person would never look him in the eye when speaking, even with just one eye.

[Obi-Ron]

Also he's bald

[RockSP]

Especially considering that in Steve's time, a black person would never look him in the eye when speaking, even with just one eye.

Gabe Jones seems to think otherwise.

[BatmanInc]

*double post

[BatmanInc]

He was in a fake room when he woke up.....

Is he suppose to take the word of a sinister looking dude with and eye patch?? Is this really Times Square?

So I think the question would have worked.

No, it wouldn't have.

Considering Nick Fury clearly couldn't be a Nazi for one glaringly obvious reason, which you clearly don't see.


The Nazis were racist against black people, as well as Jews. If the Nazis had won the war, FURY WOULD NOT BE STANDING THERE.

So yeah, it would be a logical conclusion to think that they won the war.

For someone who *****ed for months about Nazis not being in the movie, which they were (did the giant ****ing swastika in the film satisfy you?), you seem to not know pretty basic history.

Also, you *****ed about how Cap wasn't frozen in ice. Guess what! You were wrong about that too.


Why do you feel it pertinent to mention his race?

That's his description, no?

[TomPiltoff]

That's his description, no?


Is he suppose to take the word of a sinister looking dude with and eye patch??

No.

[CelticPredator]

I want to see this movie with it ending on the kid's shield. And with the end credits be the times square scene to Avengers trailer.

[BatmanInc]

No.

:dry:

I meant 'his' to mean 'Fury's'.

[Liam_H]

^That would be around 5 mins, no way they'll have an extra credits scene run that long.

[xeno000]

Especially considering that in Steve's time, a black person would never look him in the eye when speaking, even with just one eye.

Gabe Jones sure as hell did.

[TomPiltoff]

OK then.

What do you find sinister about a bald black dude?

Gimme a break. You're either playing a game or just plain dumb.

Gee, yeah, the description of sinister must have something to do with the fact that he's bald and black. Forget the supervillain trench coat and eye patch. Christ.

[Shazam]

http://www.piratemerch.com/images/Deadman_Pirate_flag.jpghttp://biomania.yolasite.com/resources/nick-fury.jpg
http://bazookasamurai.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/nickfury.jpg

Good Gravy....:doh: I cannot believe the comments....Did I say sinister black dude??? NO!!! The eye patch has loooong been an accessory that lended itself to being "scary". It says "I'm a cat that might be dangerous!" Sam Jackson has that persona "without" the eye patch and don't act like he doesn't!! Look at his movie roles...he plays bad a**@*es .The white Nick Fury looks more intimidating with his patch than he did without it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lXVrTUeY2SQ/SfqP0XvqJ8I/AAAAAAAABIg/W9oR_IKYQqM/s400/Deathstroke.jpg

DEATHSTROKE ANYONE??????

Race! Race! Race! All we focus on is race! And I didn't even bring race into this! Some of you guys went to that card like a reflex! Come on!! If we didn't already know that "BOTH" Furys were heroes, would we trust these guys at "first-sight"???? Really??

That was my point!

Steve just woke up after 70 years! The first words he hears are those of a nurse "LYING" to him! And now guy in an eye patch and long black leather coat (similar to what the Red Skull wore) are approaching him. Yes sinister comes to mind...

And for the record...I'm a black man!

[Mysteryman]

I want to see this movie with it ending on the kid's shield. And with the end credits be the times square scene to Avengers trailer.
first, that would have made it a pretty long After-Credits scene with the teaser attached .
Secondly,Not everybody would have stayed for the Extra scene so a lot of the audience wouldnt know that Cap is alive.

[RockSP]

Secondly,Not everybody would have stayed for the Extra scene so a lot of the audience wouldnt know that Cap is alive.

That's why they should have cut back to the people from the beginning that found him in the ice.

[Shazam]

That's why they should have cut back to the people from the beginning that found him in the ice.

I agree!

[Vengeance of Bane]

I too feel that the ending was somewhat abrubt, and that's one of the problems that I've had with the Marvel movies of late. They seem more preoccupied with sitting up the Avengers than the story they are actually telling. Still, I must say, I found Captain America to be the best of the new Marvel movies since Iron Man. It was fun, engaging and moving at times, but still I found it to be a bit rushed at the end.

[Shadowlord X]

The ending is actually really good. It's designed to throw a small plot twist at the unsuspecting audience, i.e., those who don't know what happens to CAP.

However it could have been executed a bit better; when NF tells CAP that he has been asleep for almost 70 years what was needed was a couple of flash scenes, the plane crashing, CAP falling into hibernation in the crashed ship, and (most imporatntly) the exploratory team discovering CAP's body.

[CelticPredator]

first, that would have made it a pretty long After-Credits scene with the teaser attached .
Secondly,Not everybody would have stayed for the Extra scene so a lot of the audience wouldnt know that Cap is alive.

There's been 3 movies with after credits scenes. If they dont get it by now, they dont deserve to see it. :o

[Stripesy Strip]

Another thing that bugged me is how he reacted when he found out that he was asleep for 70 years he was just like ok i am in the year 2000. What i really liked about the ending is that it made me want to see more of Cap. Like him seeing Peggy and him meeting the Members of the Howling Comando that are still alive

Yea alright i'm in 2011, fine.

[Stripesy Strip]

I hated that Steve was never shown being unfrozen. I was really looking foward to a scene with Steve in bed with wires and breathing tubes hooked up to him, surrounded by SHIELD doctors and scientists trying to see if is still alive, they just jumped past too much there in that last scene. He didnt even seem to be in a very secure location, he just gets up, shoves some guys down and walks out the front door? SHIELD is supposed to be a super secret organization and you just let Captain America walk out the door, not that big a deal I guess but that scene just rubbed me the wrong way.

Yea I think it showed some laziness on the part of the whole production, especially a lack of showmanship. You need to see Cap defrost! That's the whole mystery and excitement of bringing Cap to life. It's his Frankenstein-like moment.

[Shazam]

Yea I think it showed some laziness on the part of the whole production, especially a lack of showmanship. You need to see Cap defrost! That's the whole mystery and excitement of bringing Cap to life. It's his Frankenstein-like moment.

Kinda reminded me of the first Hulk movie, when his exposure to the gamma rays was done with a "flash bulb" poof, instead of the Gamma explosion everybody wanted to see.

Cap just leisurely waking up in a hospital bed was anti-climatic....DULL.

Maybe the Avengers movie will fill in some of those visual gaps we never got to to see in Cap's movie.....

[RockSP]

Maybe the Avengers movie will fill in some of those visual gaps we never got to to see in Cap's movie.....

I hope so.

[pyromaniac]

People who say that Captain America's defrosting needed to be shown probably miss the point that it was meant to represent his POV - the confusion and disorientation from waking up, and when he realises he is in present day, we are meant to feel the same as well.

That's why some people said it felt 'abrupt', and a 'wtf.' If that's the case, that's how Steve Rogers feels!

Also, why show the defrosting if we know he's going to survive, as the eponymous hero anyway? It would have created a false suspense, but also particularly it would have felt like a 'separate movie.' If that makes sense.

The ending was subtly poignant and that is the point. It certainly isn't a traditional trope, where everything that is self evident must be shown.

[Infinity9999x]

People who say that Captain America's defrosting needed to be shown probably miss the point that it was meant to represent his POV - the confusion and disorientation from waking up, and when he realises he is in present day, we are meant to feel the same as well.

That's why some people said it felt 'abrupt', and a 'wtf.' If that's the case, that's how Steve Rogers feels!

Also, why show the defrosting if we know he's going to survive, as the eponymous hero anyway? It would have created a false suspense, but also particularly it would have felt like a 'separate movie.' If that makes sense.

The ending was subtly poignant and that is the point. It certainly isn't a traditional trope, where everything that is self evident must be shown.

I understand wanting the audience to be feeling the same as Cap. I think the thing I felt was "abrupt" about the ending was how quickly Cap seemed to accept it. I mean, he had the quick freak out and sprints out of the building...but after that, once Nick Fury shows up, he just kind of accepts what Fury is telling him. Not very realistic. I wanted to see him struggling with accepting it more. I wanted more of an emotional reaction out of him. I understand we'll get a lot of this in Avengers, and I'm not saying for a full 20 minutes of seeing Cap adjust, but maybe just draw out that ending scene for a few more minutes.

[Shazam]

People who say that Captain America's defrosting needed to be shown probably miss the point that it was meant to represent his POV - the confusion and disorientation from waking up, and when he realises he is in present day, we are meant to feel the same as well.

That's why some people said it felt 'abrupt', and a 'wtf.' If that's the case, that's how Steve Rogers feels!

Also, why show the defrosting if we know he's going to survive, as the eponymous hero anyway? It would have created a false suspense, but also particularly it would have felt like a 'separate movie.' If that makes sense.

The ending was subtly poignant and that is the point. It certainly isn't a traditional trope, where everything that is self evident must be shown.


Why show the spider bite Peter if we already know he's gonna get his powers? Why should we see the space craft leave Krypton?? Just have it found in a corn field?? Why show the Waynes get shot down?? The end result is not as fun as the journey.

Because it's part of his story! These are all visuals we have all been enjoying in print. We now have an opportunity to see it brought to life annnnnd...NOTHING.

[Shazam]

I understand wanting the audience to be feeling the same as Cap. I think the thing I felt was "abrupt" about the ending was how quickly Cap seemed to accept it. I mean, he had the quick freak out and sprints out of the building...but after that, once Nick Fury shows up, he just kind of accepts what Fury is telling him. Not very realistic. I wanted to see him struggling with accepting it more. I wanted more of an emotional reaction out of him. I understand we'll get a lot of this in Avengers, and I'm not saying for a full 20 minutes of seeing Cap adjust, but maybe just draw out that ending scene for a few more minutes.


Bingo!

[Mysteryman]

There was a lot of crying in my theatre at the end.
It was emotional enough for me.

[November Rain]

personally i'm not sure whether they should have gotten him outta the ground yet

film should have ended moments after it started with them finding it and realising he's still alive.

the actual ending shown should have been the post title credits i think.

[RockSP]

personally i'm not sure whether they should have gotten him outta the ground yet

film should have ended moments after it started with them finding it and realising he's still alive.

the actual ending shown should have been the post title credits i think.

Yep.

[Pinky021]

personally i'm not sure whether they should have gotten him outta the ground yet

film should have ended moments after it started with them finding it and realising he's still alive.

the actual ending shown should have been the post title credits i think.

Agree. The final scene, I'd like it to be the post credit scene,, and have the Avengers teaser as a seperate trailer, not part of the Cap movie. IMO.

[Mysteryman]

So, we should discover THE HERO is ALIVE in an after credit scene that not everybody is going to see?
NO.
These movies are not just made for us and EVERYBODY should see the Hero survive.

[CelticPredator]

^ Tell that to Bruce Willis at the end of Armageddon...

[Mysteryman]

I am not saying that the Hero HAS to survive .
I am saying that if it is in the plot that he is going to survive , then everybody should get a chance to see it, not just those who stay for the after credit scenes .

[Soulgem]

Great ending. Made even me wonder for a while what was going on. I like to be surprised. But we kinda already saw Cap being found in the opening...

[RockSP]

I am not saying that the Hero HAS to survive .
I am saying that if it is in the plot that he is going to survive , then everybody should get a chance to see it, not just those who stay for the after credit scenes .

Everyone would've gotten a chance to know it, if they'd done it sensibly.


film should have ended moments after it started with them finding it and realising he's still alive.

[November Rain]

well that's all we need

'oh my god, we've got a pulse'

would have been sufficient.

[November Rain]

I am not saying that the Hero HAS to survive .
I am saying that if it is in the plot that he is going to survive , then everybody should get a chance to see it, not just those who stay for the after credit scenes .
saying he's alive right at the end is enough to know he's survived

the awakening scene, doesn't particularly add to this notion and is just an easter egg bit for the fans as such, which can be covered very quickly again in a teaser trailer, internet released scene or at the beginning of the avengers.

to be fair, it'll be done anyway, it's not like the scene was a major part of the jigsaw anywho.