The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

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[WildcatNC]

As long as we get some Hulk-Ku's, I'm set.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFBUqXU-ccE)


Why people want to chase Hulk?

Hulk no like Banner.

Hulk is the strongest there is!


Boom, first ! :woot:

[Gamma Burst]

Second!:D

[NickNitro]

HULK SMASH PUNY TIN MAN!!!!

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I love the eye bulge

[Isildur´s Heir]

I'm sure at 5 or six, young Banner was not going around saying HULK SMASH, or PUNY HUMANS. Hulk is a little more than just Banner's repressed rage, he's also been described as Banner's "survival instinct externalized."
Hulk is not Banner´s survival instinct externalized.
But let´s go with...so, if a person has one survival instict, how can there be several Hulk incarnations?
Every one of the Hulks is one of Banner´s repressed emotions brought to "life" by the Gamma Bomb.

If Hulk was pure rage, how could he ever be calm, cry or feel love or any other emotion? All of which he has done in comics.
But that´s exactly the point, Hulk is the rage of a human being not rage as the general emotion.
Banner is still the main persona

[Gamma Ra]

Hulk is not Banner´s survival instinct externalized.
But let´s go with...so, if a person has one survival instict, how can there be several Hulk incarnations?
Every one of the Hulks is one of Banner´s repressed emotions brought to "life" by the Gamma Bomb.

Yes he is, it was stated in Incredible Hulk #310, which I just read 2 weeks ago, in PAD's run #367, as well as somewhere in Paul Jenkins run.

Let me ask you something...How can a comic book character that's a man, change into an 8 foot tall green monster? When you figure that out, you'll have the answer to your question.


The Hulks have been described as Banner's emotions to some degree, BUT the different incarnations have also been described as his splintered or fractured psychic apparatus. Banner = Super-ego, Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit = Ego and Savage Hulk = Id, read Incredible Hulk #393. But there is so much more to it when you actually read the comics. You'll see nuances added here and there.

Rage drives them, but they are so much more. Savage Hulk represents Bruces repressed rage from a young age, having seen his father kill his mother in an attempt to kill him, Bruce never reacted with emotion and became an introvert. Later on in his life, because Banner was an introvert, he repressed his sexual desires which manifested as the Gray Hulk. What seems to occur is, that whatever the repressed emotion may be, it sublimates to rage when Banner transforms into Hulk.

Reference TIH #312 & #377 and I'm not a fan of the Paul Jenkins' TIH run so I don't know his issues off hand.


But that´s exactly the point, Hulk is the rage of a human being not rage as the general emotion.
Banner is still the main personaRead above.

The meek Banner is an incomplete man, the different Hulk's are a representation of the complete person only operating as separate minds...Banner suffers from DID.

[herolee10]

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Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

[iGiFF]

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Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

Well theres no way to know if Tony's expression there is even the same scene with Banner as the trailer was just a bunch of clips edited together.

[Dark Raven]

Downey Jr has more of a Bill Bixby hairstyle going than Mark Ruffalo in those pics.

[psylockolussus]

He better get a new solo movie after the Avengers!

[herolee10]

He better get a new solo movie after the Avengers!

That'll only happen if critics and the GA rave about Mark's performance as the Hulk/Bruce Banner and if the Hulk is well received in the film.

[Gamma Ra]

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Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

As some mentioned, we're not sure if they are even in the same scene at the time. In one clip Tony was wearing a suit on the Hellicarrier.

In the photo Banner seems to be explaining something or himself.

[WildcatNC]

That'll only happen if critics and the GA rave about Mark's performance as the Hulk/Bruce Banner and if the Hulk is well received in the film.

I think it will happen anyway, with IM coming to a close soon. Box office success or not, he is still one of Marvels most recognized characters, easily. I think they will feel that they can get it off the ground money wise now with the success of the others.

They will go to Hulk before they hit the B list like we want them to IMO.

[herolee10]

Still curious on seeing on how they'll exactly film Mark portraying the Hulk. Just as long as it isn't anything like this, then we're good.lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOFWwBw1NQ

[Venom'sDad]

I don't like the Ruffalo casting at all.

[Kirmit]

I think it will happen anyway, with IM coming to a close soon. Box office success or not, he is still one of Marvels most recognized characters, easily. I think they will feel that they can get it off the ground money wise now with the success of the others.

They will go to Hulk before they hit the B list like we want them to IMO.

To add to this, wouldn't it also be slightly cheaper as they'd already have a rendered hulk design?

[Vartha]

not sure why but every time I see that pic of Bruce, it reminds me of Engleburt Humperdink....

[jadejaws]

I'm just throwing this out there, but is anyone else disappointed with the lack of Hulk (in Avengers) information at SDCC? We got a grainy enlarged toy card pic, (which I can't seem to find a better version of anywhere) and a concept poster that cuts off at the top of his head. I'm a bit annoyed that we didn't see more.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Let me ask you something...How can a comic book character that's a man, change into an 8 foot tall green monster? When you figure that out, you'll have the answer to your question.
hmmmm....what??
Because it´s a comic book, because it´s an abstract exageration of reality?
Please tell me, don´t keep me in suspense :huh:

But a much better question for you.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that changes into a monster?
There are some (Abomination for example) that change into a monster physically, but not intellectually, they still have their personality.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that returns to human form?
Not counting with She-Hulk, as she got a blood transfusion from Banner.
Why is that the Savage Hulk is the only persona that grows in strenght the more he gets angry?
All of those are related....
Answer that...

The Hulks have been described as Banner's emotions to some degree, BUT the different incarnations have also been described as his splintered or fractured psychic apparatus. Banner = Super-ego, Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit = Ego and Savage Hulk = Id, read Incredible Hulk #393. But there is so much more to it when you actually read the comics. You'll see nuances added here and there.

Rage drives them, but they are so much more. Savage Hulk represents Bruces repressed rage from a young age, having seen his father kill his mother in an attempt to kill him, Bruce never reacted with emotion and became an introvert. Later on in his life, because Banner was an introvert, he repressed his sexual desires which manifested as the Gray Hulk. What seems to occur is, that whatever the repressed emotion may be, it sublimates to rage when Banner transforms into Hulk.
I don´t get your post, basically you agree with me...
All that you are describing are repressed emotions, which is exactly what i said
Savage Hulk = repressed rage and fear from when Banner was a kid
Gray Hulk = repressed sexual desires and independency from when he was a teen

All those are repressed emotions, so....i don't get your post...


The meek Banner is an incomplete man, the different Hulk's are a representation of the complete person only operating as separate minds...Banner suffers from DID.
Once again, you are agreeing with me
The diferent Hulk personas are emotions of the same person.
Yes, Banner suffers from DID, but it´s more complex than that.
If it was only DID, Banner would never change to diferent Hulk nor return to human form, he would change once (like all the others) and have those multiple personalities in the same body.

[Dark Raven]

I wonder why the childhoods of other gamma beings haven't been explored before, to see why they have certain repressed emotions. The Leader might have some superiority complex, or perhaps even an inferiority complex from feeling unintelligent. Not sure what repressed emotion Abomination has. She-Hulk seems to have a repressed sexuality and timidity, because now she's very confident, outgoing and maybe even slightly nympho.

[Kirmit]

To be honest I like Ang's interpretation where Hulk isn't just something created from Banner's feelings but rather a completely seperate character who shares the same body, born at the same time Banner was born and it just took the gamma to release him.

[Isildur´s Heir]

To be honest I like Ang's interpretation where Hulk isn't just something created from Banner's feelings but rather a completely seperate character who shares the same body, born at the same time Banner was born and it just took the gamma to release him.
Dude, i´m sorry but it looks like you saw the diferent movie.

Ang Lee´s Hulk is a created from Banner´s repressed feelings more than any other movie/tv show representation.
The all movie is about Bruce vs Dad.

[Kirmit]

Dude, i´m sorry but it looks like you saw the diferent movie.

Ang Lee´s Hulk is a created from Banner´s repressed feelings more than any other movie/tv show representation.
The all movie is about Bruce vs Dad.

David Banner actually said what I described himself in the movie.

[Atomicchuck3k]

I hope the script writers go with the Banner controlled Hulk in the beginning and then have the Savage Hulk take over later (kinda like Ultimates).

[wobbly]

David Banner actually said what I described himself in the movie.

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk?

[terry78]

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk?

Ehhh....:o

[wobbly]

Ehhh....:o

Ehhh....Spider-Man still talks with the mask on in all his movies, just not nearly as much (with the quips especially) as he should :cwink:

[Gamma Ra]

hmmmm....what??
Because it´s a comic book, because it´s an abstract exageration of reality?
Please tell me, don´t keep me in suspense :huh:

But a much better question for you.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that changes into a monster?
There are some (Abomination for example) that change into a monster physically, but not intellectually, they still have their personality.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that returns to human form?
Not counting with She-Hulk, as she got a blood transfusion from Banner.
Why is that the Savage Hulk is the only persona that grows in strenght the more he gets angry?
All of those are related....
Answer that...


I don´t get your post, basically you agree with me...
All that you are describing are repressed emotions, which is exactly what i said
Savage Hulk = repressed rage and fear from when Banner was a kid
Gray Hulk = repressed sexual desires and independency from when he was a teen

All those are repressed emotions, so....i don't get your post...



Once again, you are agreeing with me
The diferent Hulk personas are emotions of the same person.
Yes, Banner suffers from DID, but it´s more complex than that.
If it was only DID, Banner would never change to diferent Hulk nor return to human form, he would change once (like all the others) and have those multiple personalities in the same body.

What you stated about Banner and what I've shown is not at all the same...but whatever.

I wonder why the childhoods of other gamma beings haven't been explored before, to see why they have certain repressed emotions. The Leader might have some superiority complex, or perhaps even an inferiority complex from feeling unintelligent. Not sure what repressed emotion Abomination has. She-Hulk seems to have a repressed sexuality and timidity, because now she's very confident, outgoing and maybe even slightly nympho.

It's not just their childhood, gamma radiation affects the repressed parts of a characters mind on a subconscious level. Leader was an average guy who desired to have more intelligence, Doc Samson wanted to be well respected like his father and looked at the Biblical figure of Samson as a hero, Jennifer walters was a sexually repressed bookwork when she transforms to She-Hulk she become uninhibited and extremely flirtatious, I can't recall anything about Emil Blonsky right now. But all these were revealed in story.

[Obi-Ron]

I don't recall ever seeing Blonsky's mutation described as having been influenced by his subconscious desires (as we've seen with other the other gamma powered examples). I know I've wondered about it in the past.

[terry78]

I don't recall ever seeing Blonsky's mutation described as having been influenced by his subconscious desires (as we've seen with other the other gamma powered examples). I know I've wondered about it in the past.

His happened due to actual experimentation that went wrong, didn't it? He didn't desire anything but to be stronger and destroy the Hulk, and was already kind of a monstrous dude from jump.

[Obi-Ron]

His happened due to actual experimentation that went wrong, didn't it? He didn't desire anything but to be stronger and destroy the Hulk, and was already kind of a monstrous dude from jump.

That's how it went down in the movie, but in the comic Blonsky was just a commie spy who stood in front of Banner's gamma machine hoping he would get super strong. It worked, but I don't know why he subconsciously wanted to look like :abom:

[Oberon sexton]

Have they given Emil a more modern origin in the comics ?

[HopeOfTheFuture]

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Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.
I doubt it. Look at Banner's and Stark's clothes. Tony is wearing a Black Sabbath shirt, Banner the purple blouse. If you look at the footage seconds later, the one at position 00:00:39 in the footage, you see Black Widow sitting left on the table and Banner with his purple blouse. Then at 00:00:42, you see Tony Stark in a suite with blue blouse patting Thor while Black Widow is still sitting on that same table. So my guess is that Stark in Black Sabbath shirt is from a different scene then the one in which Banner "arrives".

Just my thoughts.

[NickNitro]

I honestly just hope the Hulk smashes the sh*^ out of stuff. :D all this arguing over Complex's persona's makes me want to friggin smash something lol.

Please, keep going its interesting.

[Ahura Mazda]

I think Banner clearly suffers from a split personality that his transformations allowed to come alive. the other gamma powerred characters do not suffer from the same thing and therefore their primary persona somewhat modified purveys.

In any case, whatever they do I hope the Hulk is given time to shine in this movie and that he is not just a raging monster.

[wobbly]

I think Banner clearly suffers from a split personality that his transformations allowed to come alive. the other gamma powerred characters do not suffer from the same thing and therefore their primary persona somewhat modified purveys.

In any case, whatever they do I hope the Hulk is given time to shine in this movie and that he is not just a raging monster.

I think Peter David was the first writer to up and say Banner does suffer from MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) rather than the more simplistic representation of the Hulk being a manifestation of Bruce's subconscious rage/desires etc.

If memory serves that official 'diagnosis' came when the Professor Hulk emerged, who was presented at the time as being a 'cured' Banner: That personality was a merge of Banner, Savage Hulk, and Gray, and was considered to be a 'complete' Banner, with no repressed rage etc.

However, it was revealed later on that persona was actually a new one created by Doc Samson's failed attempt to merge the 3. It's also been revealed in the books that Banner theoretically has hundreds of different personalities sitting dormant in his brain. Presumably each one would manifest a different physical transformation if released.

[Ahura Mazda]

I think Peter David was the first writer to up and say Banner does suffer from MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) rather than the more simplistic representation of the Hulk being a manifestation of Bruce's subconscious rage/desires etc.

If memory serves that official 'diagnosis' came when the Professor Hulk emerged, who was presented at the time as being a 'cured' Banner: That personality was a merge of Banner, Savage Hulk, and Gray, and was considered to be a 'complete' Banner, with no repressed rage etc.

However, it was revealed later on that persona was actually a new one created by Doc Samson's failed attempt to merge the 3. It's also been revealed in the books that Banner theoretically has hundreds of different personalities sitting dormant in his brain. Presumably each one would manifest a different physical transformation if released.

:up: I agree wholeheartedly. I read that run and enjoyed it until they nerfed the Professor. In any case as I stated I think this whole discussion is only in the hope we get a Hulk who has a personality and a voice.

[The_Shadow]

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Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.
Anyone else realize how terrible those SHIELD guards are? One is about 60 years old and the other looks like he had too many donuts

[LOBO3315a]

I kind of hope we see She-Hulk at some point in the Avengers.

Just sayin.

[WildcatNC]

:up: I agree wholeheartedly. I read that run and enjoyed it until they nerfed the Professor. In any case as I stated I think this whole discussion is only in the hope we get a Hulk who has a personality and a voice.

I love when Hulk/Banner's complexity is explored but I was never a fan of the whole "legion of hulks" concept.

They could go that route to explain his different appearance though.

[GhostPoet]

I kind of hope we see She-Hulk at some point in the Avengers.

Just sayin.

NO! Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman first. =)

[Dark Raven]

NO! Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman first. =)

I would rather She-Hulk, Ms Marvel and Spider-Woman all get their own movies before having them in the Avengers first. They are all deserving of their own film, just as they had their own comic title. They could be the female equivalents of Iron Man, Cap and Thor having their own movies before teaming up.

[terry78]

Then years down the line Disney just has one massive crossover film event with every Marvel character in existence once the rights revert back.

[LOBO3315a]

My inner-fanboy approves!

[Obi-Ron]

They are all deserving of their own film,

All three are all just female versions of previously existing male characters. I believe more original properties (like, say, Black Widow or Jessica Jones) would be more likely to be considered for big screen treatment.

[LOBO3315a]

Ms Marvel, I agree on. While She-Hulk shares a name, and a certain power set with Hulk, Spider-Woman's is vastly different than her male namesake.

[Dark Raven]

Ms Marvel, I agree on. While She-Hulk shares a name, and a certain power set with Hulk, Spider-Woman's is vastly different than her male namesake.

Correct. Spider-Woman is completely different to Spider-Man, has an entirely different origin and a different tone. She would actually fit in very well with the established Marvel movie universe. Her origin ties in very closely to Hydra, and she even has some similarities to Captain America, being a woman out of time. She was originally from around the 1930s or earlier as a young girl when was given the spider serum by her father to counter radiation poisoning. Then she was placed in suspended animation for years and aged very slowly only to be awoken later to be trained as an agent of Hydra under the mentorship of Count Otto Vermis (a high-ranking Hydra officer). She was later sent to kill Nick Fury but freed from Hydra's influence and became a valuable ally of SHIELD.

Jessica Drew's story would be absolutely fascinating as a movie and couldn't be more different from Spider-Man. Her early days as the dark angel of the night has her as even slightly morally ambiguous but eventually finding herself on the side of good. Her arch enemy, Morgan Le Fay, is even one of Iron Man's enemies and an enemy of the Avengers and Dr Strange.


If Hayley Atwell hadn't starred as Peggy Carter, she could've easily been Spider-Woman, who is British born originally. Another candidate for the role would be British actress Rebecca Hall (who actually co-starred with Scarlett Johansson in Vicky Cristina Barcelona). Atwell would've certainly had the figure and correct proportions. Another potential candidate is Kate Beckinsale, but she might be a little too old now, but she would've been right around the time of Underworld (which is quite like Spider-Woman in tone).

[xeno000]

All three are all just female versions of previously existing male characters. I believe more original properties (like, say, Black Widow or Jessica Jones) would be more likely to be considered for big screen treatment.

Agreed. The cheese factor with She-Hulk and Spider-Woman, in particular, would make adapting them for the big screen difficult if not impossible. It would be much better to bring in The Wasp and the Scarlet Witch (assuming that Marvel retains the rights to Wanda). Those two characters have a long history with The Avengers and can easily be worked into the team. Just get Ant-Man out from under Wright and integrate him and Jan into the Avengers' plots.

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. The cheese factor with She-Hulk and Spider-Woman, in particular, would make adapting them for the big screen difficult if not impossible. It would be much better to bring in The Wasp and the Scarlet Witch (assuming that Marvel retains the rights to Wanda). Those two characters have a long history with The Avengers and can easily be worked into the team. Just get Ant-Man out from under Wright and integrate him and Jan into the Avengers' plots.

:doh: Did you even read my post above yours where I've described how Spider-Woman isn't even remotely related to Spider-Man and how she ties in very well with the established Marvel movie universe. She has a long history with SHIELD and Hydra and can easily be integrated into the Avengers later on.

It looks like you've just latched onto the post you've quoted and assumed she is just the female counterpart of Spidey. There is no cheese factor in her origin and story. It's more in your mind.

[LOBO3315a]

He might be thinking of Spider-Girl.

[Obi-Ron]

Spider-Woman isn't even remotely related to Spider-Man

You know that and I know that, but moviemaking execs and the general audience likely do not.

[Dark Raven]

You know that and I know that, but moviemaking execs and the general audience likely do not.

Couldn't the same have been said about the Avengers? The general audience might've thought "oh no, another remake of the Steed and Mrs Peel franchise!" The execs could've also thought that too and thought that it already failed once, so why give it another try? It's up to the marketing to show how it's not connected. People will catch on soon enough anyway, just like people figured out that Casino Royale was a Bond reboot with none of the "cheesy" trappings of the original movie series, or how "The Amazing Spider-Man" is a reboot of the original Spider-Man movie series.

In any event, even if execs and the general audience do initially associate Spider-Woman with Spider-Man, that's not such a bad thing and could even be a selling point. It can only help the marketing and even get people interested. It's not like Spider-Man is a failing franchise that no-one would want to be associated with. The only thing is that when they turn up to the movie they'll see it has nothing to do with Peter Parker, which is what they might've been expecting. As a movie in its own right though, it could kick ass.

She-Hulk would also soon show how different it is to a standard monster movie (which is what people often think of the Hulk). It could appeal to women, as it could be like a legal rom com with superheroes, which hasn't really been done before on the big screen. If someone other than Marvel produces something like this and it's a success, then Marvel would be kicking themselves for not trying, and they would seem like a rip off just like the Fantastic Four was with the Incredibles.

Legally Blonde was a hit. Why couldn't we now have Legally Green? Other movies have had "cheesier" premises and still been a success. The only "cheese" factor here which might not even be that, is that these are apparently female counterparts to a male hero.

[Atomicchuck3k]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

[Dark Raven]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

I'm not even sure he is still doing the voice. When he thought he was, that was long before production started. Has he said anything to that effect recently? If Ruffalo is going to be playing the Hulk himself and not just Banner, is he going to want someone else's voice performing the part? It won't be his performance then. It's not like the sound crew couldn't digitially alter Ruffalo to sound more monstrous and like a brute.

In The Incredible Hulk, Hulk only had a few lines, so it was okay for him to do the voice, and Norton wasn't really performing the part of the Hulk. It's different for this movie, especially if Hulk is a proper character who speaks. I can't see where Ferrigno will even fit in now.

[GhostPoet]

Agreed. The cheese factor with She-Hulk and Spider-Woman, in particular, would make adapting them for the big screen difficult if not impossible. It would be much better to bring in The Wasp and the Scarlet Witch (assuming that Marvel retains the rights to Wanda). Those two characters have a long history with The Avengers and can easily be worked into the team. Just get Ant-Man out from under Wright and integrate him and Jan into the Avengers' plots.

Actually, Spider-Woman would be a much darker film than most of the marvel films currently. Based on her character.

[Gamma Ra]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

[Dark Raven]

Actually, Spider-Woman would be a much darker film than most of the marvel films currently. Based on her character.

Exactly. Marvel could actually get several different genre movies out of Spider-Woman if they did a trilogy: a supernatural horror movie, a private detective thriller and a spy thriller, each charting her development as she has become more accustomed to the modern world. I personally always liked the early Spider-Woman comics with the supernatural aspect, but Marvel could always combine that with the private detective genre. I see that this could be quite similar in tone to the "Angel" tv series and would give Marvel a chance to capitalize on that current craze. In fact, because of that craze (ie Twilight, True Blood etc), her original tone would probably be far more successful now than it was in the 70s.

[xeno000]

:doh: Did you even read my post above yours where I've described how Spider-Woman isn't even remotely related to Spider-Man and how she ties in very well with the established Marvel movie universe. She has a long history with SHIELD and Hydra and can easily be integrated into the Avengers later on.

It looks like you've just latched onto the post you've quoted and assumed she is just the female counterpart of Spidey. There is no cheese factor in her origin and story. It's more in your mind.

I knew about Spider-Woman's origin because I read it back when she first appeared. However, I don't think that the GA will know or care to learn that her origin is separate from Spider-Man. The name alone will be a hurdle that is all but impossible for any movie to surmount.


And the fact remains that Marvel created Spider-Woman and She-Hulk to prevent rival companies from making female ripoffs of their iconic male characters. Marvel wanted to trademark the names so that no one else ever could. The fact that somewhat popular characters were the result was coincidental to the original purpose for which they were created. Comics fans have had 30 years to become familiar with the characters and accept their dodgy names. I somehow doubt that the GA will be able to see past the cheesy titles accept them as headliners in their own movies. I seriously doubt that Marvel will even consider using them in films anyway.


Just my opinion, of course.

[Silvermoth]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

imdb is highly unreliable.

[Boom]

I need The Hulk in my life now.

[herolee10]

What I'm hoping to see is for the Hulk and Bruce Banner Personas to actually collide and meet face to face within their minds at some point in the film.

[Dark Raven]

What I'm hoping to see is for the Hulk and Bruce Banner Personas to actually collide and meet face to face within their minds at some point in the film.

They could have a sequence like in the episode "Married" from The Incredible Hulk tv series where Banner is learning to control the beast, and imagines he is meeting the Hulk in the desert who manages to break out of his cage etc and give chase to him (although the Hulk was extremely slow in those sequences and anyone could outrun him).

[wobbly]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

It's imdb so don't assume its true.
Personally, I hope it isn't. Ferrigno had his time as the Hulk, and that's been half the problem with the live action films since. Time to move on from ties to the old series.

[Gamma Ra]

imdb is highly unreliable.

It's imdb so don't assume its true.
Personally, I hope it isn't. Ferrigno had his time as the Hulk, and that's been half the problem with the live action films since. Time to move on from ties to the old series.

I see a lot of people discredit imdb, but I haven't seen them make anymore mistakes than other media information sources.

And I agree that it's time to cut ties with the old television show as far as Hulk is concerned. It's time for some freshness and tapping into the untapped comic book as the source for live action show and movies..

[Scar Predator]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.

[Atomicchuck3k]

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.


Agreed :funny:

[Silvermoth]

I see a lot of people discredit imdb, but I haven't seen them make anymore mistakes than other media information sources.

You weren't around for the 'Kevin Pennington as every Marvel character' faze on imdb?

[Obi-Ron]

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.

My worry is that they will just make him the Infraggable Krunk

O4Kehf8jNSY

[Norm3]

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk? The Writers & Directors feel the moving going public can't buy into a talking Hulk. So they copy the TV show. Which wasn't the real Hulk IMO. I hate the way they've turn the movie Hulk into a Gorilla. I was shocked they let the Abomination speak in TIH.

[Gamma Ra]

You weren't around for the 'Kevin Pennington as every Marvel character' faze on imdb?

I've been around here longer than my registration date suggests, but no I don't remember that. Sounds interesting though.

The Writers & Directors feel the moving going public can't buy into a talking Hulk. So they copy the TV show. Which wasn't the real Hulk IMO. I hate the way they've turn the movie Hulk into a Gorilla. I was shocked they let the Abomination speak in TIH.

It was really ridiculous that they followed the lead of the television show at all to begin with, IMO.

[JB-the-Hunter]

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk?
Yes they do... hopefully that won't happen in TASM

[wobbly]

Yes they do... hopefully that won't happen in TASM

No, they don't. Spider-Man has talked with his mask on in all his films so far.

[Dark Raven]

I've been around here longer than my registration date suggests, but no I don't remember that. Sounds interesting though.


The Kevin Pennington rumour has only been flying around in the last year or so.

[tnr105]

I'd be happy if they went the way of the Avengers cartoon and have Banner be to the Hulk as Professor Stein is to Firestorm, guiding him and being the little voice in his head.

[Vartha]

It's imdb so don't assume its true.
Personally, I hope it isn't. Ferrigno had his time as the Hulk, and that's been half the problem with the live action films since. Time to move on from ties to the old series.
Indeed.

[Longshot777]

Ok since Ed Norton is not in it,


Am I the only one who is dropping The Incredible Hulk DVD out of their Avengers DVD/BluRay Collection???

It will be just: Ironman, Thor, Captain America and then The Avengers.

Oh yeah, I also dropped Ironman 2 out of this continuity. C'mon man!! Different Rhody!!

Ironman 2 is a good movie but not worthy of those 4.

Hulk was my least favorite movie but not a bad movie and I would have put it on the continuity BUT since it will not be the same Bruce Banner...it's kinda pointless.

I know Rachel was a different actress in Nolan's Batman movies...but both movies are just great films I can overlook a minor character being different actresses.

[Weadazoid]

Ok since Ed Norton is not in it,


Am I the only one who is dropping The Incredible Hulk DVD out of their Avengers DVD/BluRay Collection???

It will be just: Ironman, Thor, Captain America and then The Avengers.

Oh yeah, I also dropped Ironman 2 out of this continuity. C'mon man!! Different Rhody!!

Ironman 2 is a good movie but not worthy of those 4.

Hulk was my least favorite movie but not a bad movie and I would have put it on the continuity BUT since it will not be the same Bruce Banner...it's kinda pointless.

I know Rachel was a different actress in Nolan's Batman movies...but both movies are just great films I can overlook a minor character being different actresses.



Different artists draw characters quite differently


I don't mind actor changes as long as they embody the characters.

[Gamma Goliath]

Bruce banner us the James bond of the mcu. Lol.

[herolee10]

Ok since Ed Norton is not in it,


Am I the only one who is dropping The Incredible Hulk DVD out of their Avengers DVD/BluRay Collection???

It will be just: Ironman, Thor, Captain America and then The Avengers.

Oh yeah, I also dropped Ironman 2 out of this continuity. C'mon man!! Different Rhody!!

Ironman 2 is a good movie but not worthy of those 4.

Hulk was my least favorite movie but not a bad movie and I would have put it on the continuity BUT since it will not be the same Bruce Banner...it's kinda pointless.

I know Rachel was a different actress in Nolan's Batman movies...but both movies are just great films I can overlook a minor character being different actresses.

Well, while the actors may be different (which I know can be irksome for the sake of continuity), TIH for whatever purposes, is still being treated as a part of the large continuity in the MCU.

I mean, it was stated in the SHIELD website that had been opened prior to the release of Thor that both Erik Selvig and Jane Foster are from the same university that Bruce Banner and Betty Ross work at, and Erik Selvig is also a known associate of Banner as well.

Plus, we have the footage of the campus attack being shown in the SHIELD Warehouse in Iron Man 2, we also have that special short film that's being released alongside Thor called "The Consultant" that ties the gap between Iron Man 2 and the end of TIH.

Hell, the Super Soldier Serum is also a main element in TIH as well.

Personally, I just think of this case being similar to cases like how we had two actors playing Dumbledore in the Harry Potter Series, and how despite the fact that they had a new actor playing the character after the second film (due to the first one having passed away), they still used clips from the first two films in latter films for flashbacks and even had flashback scenes that took place before the events of the first film using the second actor.

[Dark Raven]

Well, while the actors may be different (which I know can be irksome for the sake of continuity), TIH for whatever purposes, is still being treated as a part of the large continuity in the MCU.

I mean, it was stated in the SHIELD website that had been opened prior to the release of Thor that both Erik Selvig and Jane Foster are from the same university that Bruce Banner and Betty Ross work at, and Erik Selvig is also a known associate of Banner as well.

Plus, we have the footage of the campus attack being shown in the SHIELD Warehouse in Iron Man 2, we also have that special short film that's being released alongside Thor called "The Consultant" that ties the gap between Iron Man 2 and the end of TIH.

Hell, the Super Soldier Serum is also a main element in TIH as well.

Personally, I just think of this case being similar to cases like how we had two actors playing Dumbledore in the Harry Potter Series, and how despite the fact that they had a new actor playing the character after the second film (due to the first one having passed away), they still used clips from the first two films in latter films for flashbacks and even had flashback scenes that took place before the events of the first film using the second actor.

I wonder if there will be any flashbacks with Norton, or will they refilm those with Ruffalo? They need to at least get Liv Tyler to interact with Ruffalo for some "flashback" scenes.

[herolee10]

I wonder if there will be any flashbacks with Norton, or will they refilm those with Ruffalo? They need to at least get Liv Tyler to interact with Ruffalo for some "flashback" scenes.

Well if there's a sequel, to the TIH, then they could just go on with Ruffalo with the remainder of the TIH's cast.

But yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing certain scenes recreated with Ruffalo playing Banner in it.

[Norm3]

I think they are going to recast Betty. I hope so anyway.

[Gamma Goliath]

Why would they?

[Bren]

Because Liv Tyler was rubbish AND ugly ;)

[Gamma Goliath]

I would try to keep as many actors in place as possible from this franchise .

[Triad]

Because Liv Tyler was rubbish AND ugly ;)
I certainly would disagree with you that she is ugly, but I will say that she was somewhat unconvincing to me as a scientist. I think that Jennifer Connelly was better suited in the role in Ang Lee's version...and better looking too, but Liv Tyler is no pain on the eyes AT ALL, IMHO!

[November Rain]

My worry is that they will just make him the Infraggable Krunk

O4Kehf8jNSY

i love this show

[November Rain]

man, is this what the glorious hulk board of long ago has been reduced to?

meh

at least there are some familiar faces still on here...

where's sava?

[Avenger]

I liked Liv Tyler as Betty, but I won't be horribly upset if they recast her. The one person from TIH that I really hope they don't recast is William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross. I really enjoyed his performance, and to be honest I prefer him over Sam Elliott's Ross (I know, I know, blasphemy! :oldrazz:).

[Triad]

I liked Liv Tyler as Betty, but I won't be horribly upset if they recast her. The one person from TIH that I really hope they don't recast is William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross. I really enjoyed his performance, and to be honest I prefer him over Sam Elliott's Ross (I know, I know, blasphemy! :oldrazz:).
Totally agree on all points!

[Obi-Ron]

man, is this what the glorious hulk board of long ago has been reduced to?


Ah, the good old days... :csad:

[Weadazoid]

I liked Liv, even if Connely was more suited to the scientist role, Liv actually conveyed a bit more human emotion, Connely is almost cold at times detached removed.



When Liv see's Bruce for the first time, as he accidentally walks through those double doors.... I actually felt bad for her, for him for everybody.

[TikkiEXX]

i actually loved Liv as Betty. i really dug their relationship. thought she was great. but i wont be too upset if shes replaced. just going on record that i really enjoyed her performance in TIH. and i think shes plenty hot. just kind of in a soccer momish way these days, not quite the smoking hot teenager anymore, but shes aged really well.

[BigThor]

i actually loved Liv as Betty. i really dug their relationship. thought she was great. but i wont be too upset if shes replaced. just going on record that i really enjoyed her performance in TIH. and i think shes plenty hot. just kind of in a soccer momish way these days, not quite the smoking hot teenager anymore, but shes aged really well.

This :up:

Although I enjoyed Jennifer Connely in the role as well.

[Bren]

She was ugly.



;)

[Khemik@L]

Check out my Hulk Fan Vid:
http://www.twitvid.com/7TGVL

[TikkiEXX]

This :up:

Although I enjoyed Jennifer Connely in the role as well.
yeah she was awesome too. and speaking of aging well, shes like a fine wine, just keeps getting better with age. lol

[Doc Samson]

I certainly would disagree with you that she is ugly, but I will say that she was somewhat unconvincing to me as a scientist. I think that Jennifer Connelly was better suited in the role in Ang Lee's version...and better looking too, but Liv Tyler is no pain on the eyes AT ALL, IMHO!

Maybe, but Liv & Norton had loads more chemistry than anything I felt between Jennifer & Eric. And to me, in these types of films, that's the most important aspect for the female lead.

[Obi-Ron]

I think that more to do with Bana, he was quite dull.

[herolee10]

I'm surprised that we haven't been able to spot photos of Mark in his Motion Gear outfit (for his Hulk scenes) as of yet on set.

[Doc Samson]

I think that more to do with Bana, he was quite dull.

I think they're both at fault, it's a collaboration. Bana was playing up the suppressed emotional angle (with encouragement from Ang Lee) so in effect he was supposed to be dull. However, as the "love interest" it's Jennifer's duty to make their relationship feel somewhat real. Let's face it, in most situations, who's going to be more emotional anyway, the man or the woman?

But aside from the transformation back to Banner after the San Francisco rampage, I didn't feel any sparks between these two that would insinuate some type of loving relationship

[Rock Sexton]

Friday during Chicago Comicon I went to an intimate Q&A session with Lou Ferrigno. I knew he was voicing the Hulk in the new Avengers movie, and I wanted to know how big of a role the Hulk would have in the new movie. Here’s what he said: “I think the Hulk is going to have a major role, and I think that role will spinoff into the television series. The executive producer for Thor and The Avengers is the same producer for the Hulk television series, and that isn’t a coincidence”.

http://heavemedia.com/2011/08/16/avenger-news-2/

[Pac-Master]

Veeeerry interesting.

[Gamma Goliath]

Nice. Good confirmation that Lou is actually voicing hulk.

[The Caped Knight]

So Lou is going to voice Hulk in the tv series as well that's awesome .

[herolee10]

lol; maybe Marvel Studios wants to continue the Hulk Franchise that they started in the MCU in the form of Television Series instead of giving it a cinematic sequel?

[Pac-Master]

Del Toro said recently that the show won't be connected to the film universe.

[VoodooMagic]

I really wish Del Toro would just make a Hulk movie.

Hulk really needs a director with a confident vision.

[TheVileOne]

OK, if Ruffalo is being brought in to play the Hulk, do facial motion capture and physical motion capture . . . why isn't he just voicing the character as well?

I get the attachment and love for Lou Ferrigno and all, but I mean dude hasn't been the only one to voice and play the Hulk.

[Gamma Goliath]

Well people do tend to complain about continuity.

[TheVileOne]

OK, but that's sort of already going out the window. We have yet another actor playing Hulk/Banner again. Hulk is being redesigned to even look more like Ruffalo. So why do that instead of re-using the older models? Why not just let him voice Hulk as well? It seems a little weird that they will redo the Hulk to have him be based off of and resemble Ruffalo but he can't voice the character.

[Ahura Mazda]

It doesn't really matter given the voice of the Hulk will probably be enhanced through sound effects to be unrecognisable from the original voice of the voice actor. The most important here is that he has a prominent speaking role.

[November Rain]

lou's been voicing the hulk since....forever....

his best days were back in the incredible hulk tas though

[Ahura Mazda]

I know but I honestly do not think they will be using th natural voice of any acor. rather they will take it and then modify it to enhance it.

[November Rain]

they enhanced his voice back in the day as well i believe

[Gamma Goliath]

I honestly don't care who voices hulk, as long as it sounds like Hulk I'm fine.

[Dark Raven]

It seems inconceivable that Ruffalo won't be voicing the Hulk since he's doing everything else, particularly the performance side of things. If he puts certain emotion into a scene, then if Lou overdubs this, will he be able to match that emotion or the subtle nuances? Lou isn't exactly known for his acting skills. Ruffalo's voice can easily be changed with technology to sound Hulk like. I can't see the need at all for Lou to step in, apart from the nostalgia factor. But that would be like getting Henry Cavill for Superman, and then overdubbing his voice with Christopher Reeve (if he were still alive and well) just because Reeve is so associated with the character.

I know that Lou was previously rumoured to be up for the voice part, but is he mistaken, or has he actually confirmed that he is indeed voicing Hulk? Look at what the quote says:


Friday during Chicago Comicon I went to an intimate Q&A session with Lou Ferrigno. I [the interviewer] knew he was voicing the Hulk in the new Avengers movie, and I wanted to know how big of a role the Hulk would have in the new movie (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=361063&page=5#).

The interviewer says "I knew he was voicing the Hulk", but is this an assumption on his part, based on a previous rumour or old facts?

Lou doesn't say specifically he is voicing the Hulk:

Here’s what he [Lou] said: “I think the Hulk is going to have a major role, and I think that role will spinoff into the television series. The executive producer for Thor and The Avengers is the same producer for the Hulk television series, and that isn’t a coincidence”.

Lou only addresses the question of how big a role Hulk will have in the movie. Did the interviewer even ask Lou about whether he's voicing the character, or did he make an assumption and not bother to ask, and then wrote his assumption into his article as if it were fact?

Or maybe Lou still thinks he's voicing Hulk, just because he was told that at the beginning before Ruffalo was even onboard or they decided to create the Hulk via this method. Or maybe Lou thinks he's doing the voice just because he's done it every other time, and naturally assumes it will still be the case.

[Gamma Goliath]

Maybe he's associated with the new TV series.

[November Rain]

Well it won't particularly matter what voice they give him if they only allocate a few lines to him.

he should get at least 2 minutes of complete dialogue in the film as a total. THat's as hulk, not even banner.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://heavemedia.com/2011/08/16/avenger-news-2/ Nice find!

[DarthDaveBanner]

Lou does quite a good Hulk voice so it would be cool if he is actually doing it....I just hope that its for more than 2 lines.

[Gamma Ra]

This news sounds erroneous because it's conflicting with what's been said by Del Toro. Unless Lou means he's voicing Hulk in the television show...I can see that.

[wobbly]

Personally, I think enough with throwing Ferrigno a job every time the Hulk is being done. They don't go handing Adam West a bone every time Batman is being done, why this daft sense of duty to a guy with limited acting skills who has more than had his turn?

Give me a good voice actor any day of the week, and break away from that bloody old TV show once and for all.

[Obi-Ron]

Adam West won't rip your arms from their sockets when he loses - Lou Ferrigno has been known to do that.

[Dark Raven]

Adam West should overdub Christian Bale's Batman voice. I'm sure when he says "swear to me!!" it won't sound quite as silly.

[Gamma Ra]

I posted this on another board due to Hulk's insane level of power being shown in comics now -


That's an interesting theory, but I must confess, that the only justification I need to believe that Hulk can reach insane levels of power, is from the phrase that Marvel has been saying about him for 50 years, the madder he gets the stronger he gets and there is no limit to his anger.

When I first started reading Hulk comics around 1978-79, that was the phrase that stuck with me the most, as I'm sure it did most die-hard Hulk fans. I remember when I first read issue #242 where Hulk is fighting Tyrannus who had possession of the power of the Eternal Flame. In that issue the Hulk does something that the narration described as simply being impossible by all accounts, an angered Hulk tried to get his hands on Tyrannus who was within the field of the Flame, and was able to grab hold of something intangible, as if it were tangible. The field of energy blew up and I think it sent Hulk flying back. There was a Celestial present and the event even took hold of his curiosity if only for a second. That issue was one of the first Hulk comics I've read over and over until the spine was coming apart. Hulk has always been that character that can do the impossible. In many of the old Savage Hulk stories, the narration tells us Hulk shouldn't be able to do thus and thus, but as far as Hulk concerned it wouldn't matter.

All that to say Hulk has more going on with his physiology than most care to try to understand. It was either Roy Thomas or Roger Stern who said that gamma mutates are an expression of their repressed memories(thoughts). Bill Mantlo stated that Hulk is Banner's survival instinct, Paul Jenkins stated Hulk is Banner's self defense mechanism externalized (think about that), and Pak stated that Hulk has calculated attacks even in his Savage Hulk form due to Bruce Banner having an a ability similar to Amedeus Cho, being able to calculate on his surroundings. That being said, it's my belief that when the very corporeal Banner transforms to Hulk, the calculating creative mind of Bruce Banner becomes the incorporeal instinct, while the instinctive incorporeal survival apparatus becomes the very corporeal self.

What am I getting at? Hulk has many abilities that by all intents and purposes are illogical (because they are and so is every other character with super powers), but imagine that when Banner unleashes the gamma irradiated Hulk, he's releasing an intangible part of himself only its tangible and amped up to the most extreme levels of function...The part of the human 'soul' that regenerates cuts and bruises without you controlling or telling it to do so, the part of the human 'soul' that has no doubt no fear because the mind that stops it from progressing has become the quiet subconscious calculating instinct. The part of the human 'soul' that only believes in mind over matter and knows and can be convinced of nothing else. The part of the 'soul' that's eternal and refuses or can't die, because it doesn't knows no limits.

I was actually going to start a post, as I have a lot of free time now up til October, and invite my board buddies Ygor and Don P. and anyone else wanting to entertain the mechanics of the Hulk Banner relationship. You're invited when I do. http://www.comicboards.com/php/templates/boardicons/smile.gif

As far as the gamma energy and Hulk becoming an elemental force, there are many schools of thought, real world school of thought that conflicts with the Western Worlds theories and laws of science. There are esoteric and occult beliefs of the power of man and his true nature and goal in life. I'm not going to get too far into it on this board, as it puzzles me, that one act done by a particular character is silly, far-fetched or ridiculous, when if done by another character, its fine. There is an occult (secret) saying that states "Gods are immortal Men and Men are mortal Gods." Hulk's metaphor is liken to Prometheus, who stole fire from the gods and gave it to men. Which means he got it unjustly. Banner messing with science, and possibly himself, released a destructive power, that maybe he was unworthy of, and because of it the same power courses through his being and making his life a living hell. He's hunted and hounded and can never find peace. This power called Hulk. We have been told many times in various comics, Banner's other self Hulk, is...A Force of Nature...Cool Huh...only that power can not be controlled because...it's a Force of Nature...Hulk being a creature of Gamma and Cosmic energy, taps into these fields of unlimited power, which drives the beast to higher destructive planes of existence with said connection to the universe. There are schools of thought that suggest we all have higher 'bodies' that connect us to the entire universe when we reach the proper mindset, giving man great abilities, untold to the unlearned.

But anyway I'll leave you with this, I posted it on this board once...I thought it was interesting...Tell me what you think. Suppose Banner did what this guy is talking about...


Paradox And Power of Gamma Rays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrTr4QQ1dw8&feature=relmfu

[Gamma Burst]

To Loki: "And you, big fella, managed to piss off every one of them." Loki: "I have an army." Stark: "We have a Hulk!"

:up:

[PWN3R]

Oh god, that line is going to be orgasmic.

[Quasimod0]

Thorgasmic?

[Matt Mortem]

We have a Hulk? BEST LINE EVER?????

[The Caped Knight]

To Loki: "And you, big fella, managed to piss off every one of them." Loki: "I have an army." Stark: "We have a Hulk!"

:up:

So what does Hulk look like visually ?

[Gamma Burst]

We still don't know. But the audience seems to have loved it.

[Avenger]

So what does Hulk look like visually ?I'm guessing green. :oldrazz:

[The Caped Knight]

We still don't know. But the audience seems to have loved it.

Does he look like he did in TIH or are their slight alteration ?

[Gamma Burst]

Does he look like he did in TIH or are their slight alteration ?

Well, I've seen no comments on his look so far.

[Pac-Master]

Does he look like he did in TIH or are their slight alteration ?
We didn't see it. We read a live blog.

[herolee10]

So by the footage's description, the Hulk is being treated as the secret weapon for the Avengers to help combat against Loki's army?

While I'ms ure that they'll have the Hulk get into a fight with the Avengers at some point, I still hope that he's written as more of a hero and helps out with tight situations as well.

[Gamma Burst]

By the description, he will be the powerhouse.

[Gamma Ra]

To Loki: "And you, big fella, managed to piss off every one of them." Loki: "I have an army." Stark: "We have a Hulk!"

:up:

I LOVE it!!!

That crazy Hulk just loves fighting armies. :woot:

[BobJM]

he seems to be the main appeal that Marvel is going at. A lot of people forget about TIH, and the marketing seems to be aimed and making audiences remember just how big a deal the Hulk is

[Gamma Burst]

It's his specialty!:cool:

[Gamma Burst]

he seems to be the main appeal that Marvel is going at. A lot of people forget about THI, and the marketing seems to be aimed and making audiences remember just how big a deal the Hulk is

Dude, our sigs!:wow::woot:

[BobJM]

lol, great minds

[Pac-Master]

Maybe this film will get the general audience interested in another Hulk film.

[BobJM]

I think this film is gonna put Hulk in a position the audience has never seen him before--full fledged superhero. TIH hinted at it at the end with his fight against Abomination, but the GA has yet to see a "smart" Hulk completely in control.

I think Avengers will usher in a new film with Ruffalo replacing Norton alongside returning TIH castmates. (I can't handle a 3rd cast).

[Gamma Burst]

Yeah, I belive that may happen.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

To Loki: "And you, big fella, managed to piss off every one of them." Loki: "I have an army." Stark: "We have a Hulk!"

:up:

SO is this line actually in the movie? Because if so thats ****ing awesome!

We didn't see it. We read a live blog.

Can please elaborate a bit more on what this blog revealed exactly?

[Pac-Master]

SO is this line actually in the movie? Because if so thats ****ing awesome!



Can please elaborate a bit more on what this blog revealed exactly?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-Avengers-Assemble-In-New-Footage-Shown-At-D23-26342.html

[Gamma Ra]

Maybe this film will get the general audience interested in another Hulk film.

I just hope the rest of the portrayal will get the same response.

[terry78]

Giggity.

[Gamma Burst]

SO is this line actually in the movie? Because if so thats ****ing awesome!





Yes, sir!

[TDK Joker]

9 months out and we already have an iconic line from the film! Amazing. Or should I say, Incredible.

[cryptic name]

Does he look like he did in TIH or are their slight alteration ?

I'm guessing he'll look like...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/cryptic_name/hulkavengersart.jpg

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-Avengers-Assemble-In-New-Footage-Shown-At-D23-26342.html

Good stuff, thanks.

Yes, sir!

Well then, that is indeed ****ing awesome!

[warcam]

So we know for sure that was all one scene, and it wasn't Stark talking to Banner the first time when he calls him 'big fella' and comments how he pissed off everyone else?

[Gamma Burst]

The description says he was talking to Loki.

[Gamma Burst]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

The Hulk featured in The Avengers looks…well, actually he looks exactly like the version of the character on view in 2008’s Edward Norton-starring Marvel production The Incredible Hulk, albeit with much fiercer eyes.

[herolee10]

I think this film is gonna put Hulk in a position the audience has never seen him before--full fledged superhero. TIH hinted at it at the end with his fight against Abomination, but the GA has yet to see a "smart" Hulk completely in control.

I think Avengers will usher in a new film with Ruffalo replacing Norton alongside returning TIH castmates. (I can't handle a 3rd cast).

Yeah, I'm hoping for this route as well, and given all that we've heard, they seem to be going that direction, and honestly, I think the Hulk Character really needs this on screen.

[warcam]

The description says he was talking to Loki.

I know. Obviously not having seen the scene, I wasn't sure if it was clear that it was all one scene where you can actually see Loki in the scene when Stark calls him 'big fella' and talks about he pissed off everyone, or if it was just assumed that it was all one scene, when in reality it may have been 2 separate scenes cut together (Stark talking to Banner...who is off camera, with a quick cut of Loki saying "I have an army."
Damn Disney security :woot:

[Rock Sexton]

I know. Obviously not having seen the scene, I wasn't sure if it was clear that it was all one scene where you can actually see Loki in the scene when Stark calls him 'big fella' and talks about he pissed off everyone, or if it was just assumed that it was all one scene, when in reality it may have been 2 separate scenes cut together (Stark talking to Banner...who is off camera, with a quick cut of Loki saying "I have an army."
Damn Disney security :woot:

Stark is talking to Loki the entire time, reminding him about all the people who are about to come after him.

[herolee10]

I really like on how they had Tony mentioning the Hulk in his conversation with Loki.

I mean, here you have Tony listing all of the other main Avengers on the group and what their professions are, and when you have Loki responding back by saying that he has a army, Tony fires right back with the last and perhaps strongest comeback on saying that the team has a "hulk".

It really demonstrates imho, on how well aware Tony is of the strength that the Hulk possess.

But the one thing that I'm curious is what gets Fury to change his mind on not locking up the Hulk as they had supposedly originally planned?

[Rock Sexton]

I really like on how they had Tony mentioning the Hulk in his conversation with Loki.

I mean, here you have Tony listing all of the other main Avengers on the group and what their professions are, and when you have Loki responding back by saying that he has a army, Tony fires right back with the last and perhaps strongest comeback on saying that the team has a "hulk".

It really demonstrates imho, on how well aware Tony is of the strength that the Hulk possess.

But the one thing that I'm curious is what gets Fury to change his mind on not locking up the Hulk as they had supposedly originally planned?

That's easy. Necessity.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope banner had a hand in convincing fury.

[herolee10]

I hope banner had a hand in convincing fury.

Should be interesting to see.

I wonder if that shot in the CA Post Credit Teaser, where BW is leading Bruce Banner and Steve into a hallway is when he first arrives on the SHIELD base?

[terry78]

Better to have him as an asset than an enemy.

[Spider-Vader]

I really like that line, since it seems to show that the team has accepted Hulk as an actual member. Plus, isn't it the first time someone's actually called him Hulk on the big screen? They've always hopped around that name for some reason, just like they did with War Machine & Venom.

[Son of Coul]

One of the campus students on the news said he was, "like this 'Hulk'!" and Abomination muttered, "Hulk..." when he first approached but otherwise not much mention. So it's cool they're embracing the name a bit more.

[Obi-Ron]

I really like that line, since it seems to show that the team has accepted Hulk as an actual member. Plus, isn't it the first time someone's actually called him Hulk on the big screen? They've always hopped around that name for some reason, just like they did with War Machine & Venom.

Banner called his alter ego a "mindless Hulk" in the Ang Lee movie, and in the MCU version Jim Wilson calls him a Hulk on Jack McGee's video (He was stompin'!) And some army guys mistakenly refer to Blonsky as the Hulk. Come to think of it, Abomination actually calls him "Hulk" by name.

[Gamma Goliath]

I really like that line, since it seems to show that the team has accepted Hulk as an actual member. Plus, isn't it the first time someone's actually called him Hulk on the big screen? They've always hopped around that name for some reason, just like they did with War Machine & Venom.

No, abomination called him hulk twice I believe and then obviously he referred to self as hulk in TIH.

[Spider-Vader]

Hrm... I didn't know Abomination said Hulk. & how did I forget the epic HULK SMASH line. The others are sort of jumping around the name, it was used more in terms of the actual word than his real name.

[Superhero 101]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

The Hulk featured in The Avengers looks…well, actually he looks exactly like the version of the character on view in 2008’s Edward Norton-starring Marvel production The Incredible Hulk, albeit with much fiercer eyes.

I hope so because i am not a huge fan the way he looks like in the comic con poster i really loved the way he looked in TIH

[Raiden]

I trust that ILM will deliver us an amazing Hulk in this movie. They did the Ang Lee Hulk but technology wasn't as great as it is now, and they have another chance to make him better. I hope we'll be comparing this Hulk with Weta's Gollum and King Kong when it's all said and done.

[Kirmit]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

The Hulk featured in The Avengers looks…well, actually he looks exactly like the version of the character on view in 2008’s Edward Norton-starring Marvel production The Incredible Hulk, albeit with much fiercer eyes.

I hope someone comments on how good the CG is, I know alot of people are worried about that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

The Hulk featured in The Avengers looks…well, actually he looks exactly like the version of the character on view in 2008’s Edward Norton-starring Marvel production The Incredible Hulk, albeit with much fiercer eyes. Nice!

[HUMANIMAL]

I'm guessing he'll look like...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/cryptic_name/hulkavengersart.jpg
grandpa hulk?:wow:







j/k:woot:

[The Caped Knight]

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

The Hulk featured in The Avengers looks…well, actually he looks exactly like the version of the character on view in 2008’s Edward Norton-starring Marvel production The Incredible Hulk, albeit with much fiercer eyes.

Good I'm glad The Hulk still looks like TIH design.

[herolee10]

It's still possible that his appearance may change a bit more for the final product, to the point where it may look more like the comic con poster since they have a long time to work on the effects.

[The Wizard]

Is the Hulk going to be fully on the heroic side in the film, or will there be shades of villainy?

[Gamma Goliath]

They imply that he'll be heroic, but we can probably expect a showdown between hulk and another hero.

[AndrewGilkison]

Fury apparently built that cell he'd holding Loki in for The Hulk originally, so I am guessing he starts off in a role of a monster that Sheild and company are hunting down.

[herolee10]

Well it was shown in TIH that SHIELD was helping General Ross search for Banner, and I'm sure that Fury was aware of the Hulk situation going on.

It's possible that he isn't aware of how everything went down in the New York incident featuring the Hulk battling it out with the Abomination, thus him still thinking at first that the Hulk is a liability.

In any case, the Hulk has thus far been promoted as a Hero/Avenger regarding his role in this film as he's been featured in the two official posters so far.

[Gamma Goliath]

Hulk has so much going for him next year, hopefully all of the exposure he'll get will help warrant TIH2 as one of those 2014 movies.

[BigThor]

Hulk has so much going for him next year, hopefully all of the exposure he'll get will help warrant TIH2 as one of those 2014 movies.

I agree, I'd love to see TIH 2 along with Cap 2 in 2014. :woot:

[Gamma Goliath]

With Hulk being in avengers, EMH, superhero squad, Hulk and the agents of S.M.A.S.H., and a new set of writers and artist on his comic, Hulk should be a nice hot character to see.
It would only make sense for those to be the summer 2014 movies, with Thor 2 and IM 3 coming in 2013.

[Gamma Burst]

With Hulk being in avengers, EMH, superhero squad, Hulk and the agents of S.M.A.S.H., and a new set of writers and artist on his comic, Hulk should be a nice hot character to see.
It would only make sense for those to be the summer 2014 movies, with Thor 2 and IM 3 coming in 2013.

Don't forget about Del Toro's Hulk tv series!:word:

[Superhero 101]

I really hope we do get another Hulk film TIH was an amazing film.

[BigThor]

It would only make sense for those to be the summer 2014 movies, with Thor 2 and IM 3 coming in 2013.

I sure hope :woot:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hulk has so much going for him next year, hopefully all of the exposure he'll get will help warrant TIH2 as one of those 2014 movies. I second this!

[CrazyDavey]

I really hope we do get another Hulk film TIH was an amazing film.


I agree. The more I watch it, the more I love it. It's probably the Marvel Studios film that's i've actually seen the most so far. We'll see if that changes when Thor and Captain America come on DVD.

[Spider-ManHero12]

TIH, IMO, is definitely high on my list of best Marvel Studios films so far. I enjoyed it so much in the theater, and it along with iron Man became my two favorite superhero films of 2008.

[Gamma Goliath]

Don't forget about Del Toro's Hulk tv series!:word:

I can't believe I forgot that, I wouldnt mind if del toro directed a TIH 2. :up:

[BigThor]

I really hope we do get another Hulk film TIH was an amazing film.

I agree with you on that, I'ma pretty big TIH fan myself.

I can't believe I forgot that, I wouldnt mind if del toro directed a TIH 2. :up:

I wouldn't mind that at all, that would be awesome actually.

[herolee10]

I liked hearing on what Tom had to say about the Hulk's involvement in the Avengers in his latest interview.

[BigThor]

What did he say?

[herolee10]

What did he say?

Just that Hulk was standing next to the rest of the group when looking down at Loki.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm sure Hulk fans are thrilled about the, "We have a Hulk" line.

[Rock Sexton]

I think seeing Hulk alongside other prominent heroes will change the GA's perception of him.

[Oberon sexton]

Thrilled is putting it lightly, hulkamania has been running wild.

[Rock Sexton]

Thrilled is putting it lightly, hulkamania has been running wild.

http://www.hulkhogan.co.uk/hulkamania43.jpg

[VoodooMagic]

While I don't think TIH was 'amazing' it was good and hopefully will get a sequel.

Hopefully they break the mold of having Ross be the bad guy, they are veering really close to X-Men/Superman territory of continually running out the same antagonist every film.

[Gamma Burst]

Thrilled is putting it lightly, hulkamania has been running wild.

So true!:word:

[The Caped Knight]

Thrilled is putting it lightly, hulkamania has been running wild.

HELL YEAH!!!! HULKAMANIA WILL LIVE ON FOREVER !!!!!
http://i56.tinypic.com/qs11ly.jpg
http://www.comicheroes.co.uk/images/jpegs/cps2_msh_hulk_win.gif

[Pac-Master]

I still have that gif saved on my computer. Amazing job to whoever made it.

And I'd be overjoyed if one of the 2014 movies were another Hulk film. I have a feeling the Hulk will be VERY positively received in Avengers.

[Gamma Burst]

Great gif!

[DarthAlani]

Hulk is winning the Poll on the Main page on " Which Hero are waiting to see in the Avengers" with over 45% of the Vote

[Gamma Burst]

Hulk is winning the Poll on the Main page on " Which Hero are waiting to see in the Avengers" with over 45% of the Vote

Pretty cool!

[Doc Ock]

Hulk is the best reason to see Avengers! :D

[Kirmit]

Hulk is the best reason to see Avengers! :D

seconded.

[Gamma Burst]

Thirded!

[WildcatNC]

I'm excited to see Hulk too but the main reason he's probably winning the poll is that he is the only one we haven't seen recently on screen comparatively.

I'm personally pretty excited about seeing him though :woot:

[The Caped Knight]

I am look forward to seeing the Hulk, But I'm more excited to see the Avengers together battling on the big screen more. This truly is a dream come true to have Cap, Thor Iron Man and Hulk in one film in live action facing off agains Loki
http://www.comicheroes.co.uk/images/gifs/America/capitainamerica05.gifhttp://www.comicheroes.co.uk/images/gifs/Ironman/ironman010.gifhttp://www.puppstheories.com/animations/Thor48.gif
http://www.puppstheories.com/spriterips/hawkeye1f.gifhttp://www.puppstheories.com/spriterips/hulkpunchnew13f.gif

[Gamma Burst]

It's a dream come true, indeed.

[VoodooMagic]

I'm excited to see Hulk too but the main reason he's probably winning the poll is that he is the only one we haven't seen recently on screen comparatively.

I'm personally pretty excited about seeing him though :woot:

Hulk also represents potentially either the most amazing thing or the lames aspect of this idea.

If they can execute Hulk like King Kong and make him feel real this movie is literally going to feel like the most larger than life film ever made. However if Hulk looks like he did in AL's Hulk or in the day time shots of TIH (What a complete jekyll and hyde. In the day he looked awful but at night it was unbelievable) it could really make this movie feel silly fast.

Also I think for as much as TIH seemed to be a step in the right direction for the Hulk, by no means did it win over audiences like the rest of them have and Hulk as a franchise is in need of something good to happen to it.

It's exciting. I'm really hoping avengers amps Hulk's hype to an unprecedented level and then Marvel will take care of the big green guy like they have the rest of the Avengers

[Obi-Ron]

Thrilled is putting it lightly, hulkamania has been running wild.

http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5032&d=1201393314

[Doc Samson]

Hulk is the best reason to see Avengers! :D

Main reason I'm seeing it :woot:

[Shadowlord X]

"Hulk also represents potentially either the most amazing thing or the lames aspect of this idea.

If they can execute Hulk like King Kong and make him feel real this movie is literally going to feel like the most larger than life film ever made. However if Hulk looks like he did in AL's Hulk or in the day time shots of TIH (What a complete jekyll and hyde. In the day he looked awful but at night it was unbelievable) it could really make this movie feel silly fast.

Also I think for as much as TIH seemed to be a step in the right direction for the Hulk, by no means did it win over audiences like the rest of them have and Hulk as a franchise is in need of something good to happen to it.

It's exciting. I'm really hoping avengers amps Hulk's hype to an unprecedented level and then Marvel will take care of the big green guy like they have the rest of the Avengers"



Very well said. I LOVED TIH as I was easily able to get past the VFX for him which took a lot of people out of the movie. I really hope that the HULK VFX in THE AVENGERS will make him look absolutely REAL.

Would really love to a see a new HULK movie sometime in the near future.

[Rock Sexton]

"Hulk also represents potentially either the most amazing thing or the lames aspect of this idea.

If they can execute Hulk like King Kong and make him feel real this movie is literally going to feel like the most larger than life film ever made.

I think the clash between the heroes and Hulk is going to be one of those unforgettable moments in CBM history.

[Gamma Goliath]

Thirded!

Fourthded :woot:

I think hulk will be well received in avengers, that's when I think marvel will decide if TIH 2 is right.

[co2]

Fourthded :woot:

I think hulk will be well received in avengers, that's when I think marvel will decide if TIH 2 is right.

I hope you are right.
I see Cap and Hulk having the two best potential character arcs in this movie if they play it right. One being the "man out of time" that has to step up to the responsibilty of leadership...and the other a man with monster underneath that will eventually prove himself a hero.

Like I said, Hulk has a good shot at being the most memorable character in Avengers. According to the poll on the front page, he is already the fan favorite.

[Gamma Burst]

I have a good feeling about his portrayal in the Avengers.

[BigThor]

Thor and Iron Man are the heroes I'm most lookin forward to seeing in action in The Avengers, Hulk comes in third though.

[Weadazoid]

"Hulk also represents potentially either the most amazing thing or the lames aspect of this idea.

If they can execute Hulk like King Kong and make him feel real this movie is literally going to feel like the most larger than life film ever made. However if Hulk looks like he did in AL's Hulk or in the day time shots of TIH (What a complete jekyll and hyde. In the day he looked awful but at night it was unbelievable) it could really make this movie feel silly fast.

Also I think for as much as TIH seemed to be a step in the right direction for the Hulk, by no means did it win over audiences like the rest of them have and Hulk as a franchise is in need of something good to happen to it.

It's exciting. I'm really hoping avengers amps Hulk's hype to an unprecedented level and then Marvel will take care of the big green guy like they have the rest of the Avengers"



Very well said. I LOVED TIH as I was easily able to get past the VFX for him which took a lot of people out of the movie. I really hope that the HULK VFX in THE AVENGERS will make him look absolutely REAL.

Would really love to a see a new HULK movie sometime in the near future.


In all honesty I thought the day time stuff, the fight at the campus was bombing good viceral stuff, and even though you could tell it was CGI, there was something far more palatable then Angs daytime neon green monster.


I liked that the Hulk in TIH was vascular and you could see sinew. His chest could have been more developed, that was my only compaint


But his interaction with Blonsky was effing classic....

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope you are right.
I see Cap and Hulk having the two best potential character arcs in this movie if they play it right. One being the "man out of time" that has to step up to the responsibilty of leadership...and the other a man with monster underneath that will eventually prove himself a hero.

Like I said, Hulk has a good shot at being the most memorable character in Avengers. According to the poll on the front page, he is already the fan favorite.

While I did like Ed Nortons performance as Bruce Banner, I really get the feeling that Ruffalol (copyright Wolvieboy17 :woot:) will really steal the show, next to Tom Hiddleson's Loki.

[Gamma Burst]

While I did like Ed Nortons performance as Bruce Banner, I really get the feeling that Ruffalol (copyright Wolvieboy17 :woot:) will really steal the show, next to Tom Hiddleson's Loki.

I trust Rufallo! And ,honestly, I wasn't too keen on Norton's Banner; I guess he paid too much homage to Bixby's Banner (who still is the best, imo) instead of making his own interpretation.

[Dark Raven]

I trust Rufallo! And ,honestly, I wasn't too keen on Norton's Banner; I guess he paid too much homage to Bixby's Banner (who still is the best, imo) instead of making his own interpretation.

But since Ruffalo said he would be channeling Bill Bixby, it looks like you might like him even less.

I didn't find Norton that much like Bixby anyway.

[Gamma Burst]

All 'bruce banners' have channeled (and will channel) Bixby somehow. Norton only did it a bit too much, imo.
I don't think Ruffalo will repeat his mistake.

[Dark Raven]

I don't think having a Bill Bixby-esque actor is a bad thing in a movie like the Avengers. I don't think Norton did it too much anyway. I do think though that if Bixby had been alive today and were playing Banner opposite this Avengers cast, the performances could've been insane with his intensity and charisma. He could easily have stolen the show.

Imagine Downey Jr in a scene opposite Bixby. Or Hiddleston goading Bixby, and you can feel the anger boiling under the surface as he tries to keep his cool, but you sense an inevitable Hulk out any moment.

I just hope Ruffalo can bring that same intensity and sense of suspense because you know something can errupt in a second.

[herolee10]

I'm wondering how much control Bruce will have over his Hulk persona when we're first introduced to him. Considering that the last time we saw the character featured him trying to bring out his transformations on will, I hope he was able to make some progress since then.

Though I wonder if they'll treat the Hulk as a different persona OR if they'll treat it as a different side of Banner, or if it'll be a little bit of both.

[Gamma Goliath]

I can't wait to get details on ruffalo's first transformation scene. I want it to be intense and chilling. :hulk: :bh:

[Oberon sexton]

I really loved how they described the beggining of Banner's transformation in that leaked scene from the script, with Banner speaking with Hulk's voice as his eye's turn green. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Gamma Goliath]

Oh man I never heard about that, but it sounds awesome. :up:
It reminds me of the 90s TAS when you could here banner's voice change as he warned you about making him angry. The first episode that comes to mind is the first transformation scene in "return of the beast"

[WildcatNC]

I really loved how they described the beggining of Banner's transformation in that leaked scene from the script, with Banner speaking with Hulk's voice as his eye's turn green. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

I agree, it sounded awesome. BW was about to **** her pants I think.

[Oberon sexton]

Speaking of BW, didn't Ruffalo say that she and Hulk have "a thing" ? or something along those lines ?

[herolee10]

Speaking of BW, didn't Ruffalo say that she and Hulk have "a thing" ? or something along those lines ?

I thought it was Renner who said that Hawkeye and BW would have a thing with each other, and considering that their relationship is canon and makes sense, whereas a pairing between BW and Banner woud seem......out of the blue..or should I say..green?lol

[WildcatNC]

Speaking of BW, didn't Ruffalo say that she and Hulk have "a thing" ? or something along those lines ?

Well, if Hulk rips his pants off and Widow see's him naked she will probably stalk him after that.

Maybe her plan is to get with Bruce and then piss him off mid-encounter. :woot:

[Oberon sexton]

He can't get too excited :funny:

[Ipodman]

Love triangle? :dry:

[herolee10]

Well, I'm pretty confident that Banner wouldn't reciprocate, and this is assuming of course that BW would have any interest in him, which I don't think she will at all.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I still think Ruffalo's line "he kinda grows on you" is him referring to Loki which foreshadows Loki controlling the Hulk.

[herolee10]

I still think Ruffalo's line "he kinda grows on you" is him referring to Loki which foreshadows Loki controlling the Hulk.

Perhaps; though I don't see Loki controlling the Hulk for long, maybe to start an incident but not for more than one scene.

[Dark Raven]

I still think Ruffalo's line "he kinda grows on you" is him referring to Loki which foreshadows Loki controlling the Hulk.

Unless that line refers to Banner responding to Widow saying he doesn't seem too well equipped lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can't wait to get details on ruffalo's first transformation scene. I want it to be intense and chilling. :hulk: :bh: This. :up:

[November Rain]

to be fair, i wouldn't mind if his first one was a controlled 'pretend rage one' where he showed he had control of the hulk.

however the first 'real' savage hulk transformation should be a shocker. I don't mind if they wait till the end of the film for one of these.

[BigThor]

to be fair, i wouldn't mind if his first one was a controlled 'pretend rage one' where he showed he had control of the hulk.

however the first 'real' savage hulk transformation should be a shocker. I don't mind if they wait till the end of the film for one of these.

So you think he should only transform twice in the whole film?

[November Rain]

no, early ones could be controlled by banner or instigated by loki.

but i would be happy if there was one definitive 'oh crap, he's hulked out' moment.

they did a similar thing in the ultimate avengers animated film and i think that worked well.

so by that i mean one definitive savage hulk, hulk-out.

besides, he only hulked out four times in the hulk film

and three times in TIH

i can't see him doing more than four in this (unless some are demonstrations of control). I see three occurring personally.

[WildcatNC]

I still think Ruffalo's line "he kinda grows on you" is him referring to Loki which foreshadows Loki controlling the Hulk.

I believe it was in reference to Fury as of now but it could go either way. I actually would like Loki to control Hulk for at least a short encounter with the other Avengers as a nod to the original origin.

[Gamma Goliath]

I can't see Loki entirely controlling hulk, but maybe triggering a transformation in a "wrong place, wrong time" situation.

[Iceman]

to be fair, i wouldn't mind if his first one was a controlled 'pretend rage one' where he showed he had control of the hulk.

however the first 'real' savage hulk transformation should be a shocker. I don't mind if they wait till the end of the film for one of these.Yeah, the savage-Hulk Hulk-out should prove decisive (and unpredictable at first) in the finale. Would love that!

[herolee10]

I think one of the things that excites me most when it comes to seeing Hulk in this film is the fact that the Hulk will be partnered up with a group of people that not only have a common goal, but who can and will help him out on the battlefield as well.

Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America have all had a group of some kind to help them out in their previous films:

1. Howling Commandos (Captain America)

2. Warriors Three and Sif (Thor)

3. War Machine and Black Widow (Iron Man)

Not so much for Hulk though so it'll be nice to see the big green loner gain allies for once that don't have the intention of hurting him afterwards.