The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - Part 13

[Parker Wayne]

I'm getting tired of hearing about the leaked script too. I've been tired of it for several pages now.

[PWN3R]

I'm getting tired of hearing about the leaked script too. I've been tired of it for several pages now.

We really need a trailer. :csad:

[Parker Wayne]

We got a teaser. If anything, the only reason I would love a trailer now is to shut up people complaining about a trailer (not you) and saying the marketing is terrible for a movie that's 9 months away.

[PWN3R]

Mostly, I meant that we really need the after credits scene released in HD.

But yes, I'll take a trailer too.

[Parker Wayne]

We're not getting the after credits scene probably until the Captain America dvd, which will probably be released in December.

[PWN3R]

Damn you. Well then, invent time travel or just make it December already.

[Blackman]

I'm getting tired of hearing about the leaked script too. I've been tired of it for several pages now.

same

[Parker Wayne]

Damn you. Well then, invent time travel or just make it December already.

Finished.

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[marvel_freshman]

Nothing much, but...

Just got home from my wardrobe fitting for my appearance as a paramedic in the upcoming blockbuster The Avengers! Filming starts next week. I can't wait. I'm just an extra. Its basically just running around in the background. But hey, thats still pretty cool I think.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I thought that was a set pic for a second! You scared me there spidey-bat

[Alexei Belyakov]

Herolee10, Fury didn't appoint Hill as his right-hand woman knowing she was a Skrull. Fury, along with everyone else in SHIELD thought she was human. Now, I don't know if Fury ever found out that she was a Skrull before the invasion. There's a confrontation in the leak between SHIELD & Maria Hill that gets ugly & Coulson gets killed in the process. She then leaves Earth to reconvene with The Skrulls & becomes a major threat in the climax. Again, its possible that Fury knew what she was all along and used that to his advantage, or that like everyone else, he found out during the invasion. As for the source material, each and every one of the MCU films has made significant changes to it. All of these plot-points might end up being a ruse, yes, but until proven bogus I'm not vetoing them. As of now, the alleged script's story is solid & checks out.

[PWN3R]

I thought that was a set pic for a second! You scared me there spidey-bat

A delorean in The Avengers? Nick Fury has been busy.

[Gamma Goliath]

Man d23 can't get here fast enough, people are going crazy for news round here O_o

[xeno000]

We may not have to wait too long for the teaser trailer or some new footage because the D23 Expo is next weekend. MTV raised my hopes by speculating that Joss Whedon will have more footage from the movie to debut at the Expo. We should at least get some shaky cellcam videos of that, if true.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/08/09/avengers-d23/

Marvel Studios largely sat out San Diego Comic-Con last month, declining to deliver a major Hall H presentation as in years past. The speculation was the studio would hold back its superhero goods -- and the "Avengers" footage director Joss Whedon has been capturing since the spring -- until D23 Expo, Disney's behind-the-scenes exhibition of what the mouse house has in its creative pipeline.

On Tuesday (August 9), that speculation proved to be accurate, as Disney announced "The Avengers" would officially be assembling at D23 when it hits the Anaheim Convention Center from August 19-21. The studio's press release didn't contain much further information about what (and who) will be part of the "Avengers" presentation, other than the vague promise of "cast members from Marvel's 'The Avengers.' " But Whedon told us at SDCC that what made it into the teaser trailer during the "Captain America" end credits was shot in the first few weeks of production, so presumably the filmmaker now has a hefty editing bay worth of superhero footage.

[Parker Wayne]

What a surprise, AB is referring to the leaked script again when no one wants to talk about it. :dry:

Give it up, no one cares about the leaked script now, even if it is true.

[Alexei Belyakov]

PWN3R, what would you rather talk about? We have dozens of set photos with no plot details. We have endless interviews of Feige & the cast with no plot details. What we do have is plot details from a script that was lifted from Sam Jackson's printer hard drive a month before principal photography. Doesn't the latter sound more worthy of speculation & discussion than "I wonder what they're doing inside that building!!!"? Exactly.

[Gamma Goliath]

I certainly hope there's a release for the footage that gets shown, I'm doubting it though.

[herolee10]

PWN3R, what would you rather talk about? We have dozens of set photos with no plot details. We have endless interviews of Feige & the cast with no plot details. What we do have is plot details from a script that was lifted from Sam Jackson's printer hard drive a month before principal photography. Doesn't the latter sound more worthy of speculation & discussion than "I wonder what they're doing inside that building!!!"? Exactly.

So you think it's better to discuss about the film based on unconfirmed information while potentially leading people way off of what we may actually get?

Like others have said, you're referring to these "leaked spoilers" as if it were the real thing, and truth be told, there isn't anything to warrant such faith in the "leaked script".

And like someone else had mentioned, if Maria was a skrull, then she could have killed Fury a while ago and assume his form, thus enabling her to gain much higher access and no one would know about it.

[PWN3R]

PWN3R, what would you rather talk about? We have dozens of set photos with no plot details. We have endless interviews of Feige & the cast with no plot details. What we do have is plot details from a script that was lifted from Sam Jackson's printer hard drive a month before principal photography. Doesn't the latter sound more worthy of speculation & discussion than "I wonder what they're doing inside that building!!!"? Exactly.

Honestly, I'd rather post pics of Deloreans than that stuff. I mean, it was interesting in the beginning, but you've been cramming it down everyone's throats for pages now.

If you're that hungry for conspiracy and rumors, go to the bat boards.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Parker Wayne, I already had this convo with you. If you forgot about it, just read the above post directed at PWN3R. Oh, and just because you don't wanna be spoiled on potential script details, doesn't mean everyone else has to avoid them too. This is a spoiler thread.

[herolee10]

Honestly, I'd rather post pics of Deloreans than that stuff. I mean, it was interesting in the beginning, but you've been cramming it down everyone's throat's for pages now.

If you're that hungry for conspiracy and rumors, go to the bat boards.

Agreed.

Truth be told, I'd rather discuss about the Avengers with what little we have now instead of discussing the film on unconfirmed info for weeks/days, only to find out that everything I said was pretty much worthless.

Plus, it doesn't help his cause due to the fact that just a while you ago, you were stating as if the film was only going to get similar results that Iron Man 1-2 got at the BO based on his brother's view.

[herolee10]

Parker Wayne, I already had this convo with you. If you forgot about it, just read the above post directed at PWN3R. Oh, and just because you don't wanna be spoiled on potential script details, doesn't mean everyone else has to avoid them too. This is a spoiler thread.

Exactly, a "spoiler" thread; not a Unconfirmed "theories" thread.

[PWN3R]

Exactly, a "spoiler" thread; not a Unconfirmed "theories" thread.
:up:

[JB-the-Hunter]

Agreed.

Truth be told, I'd rather discuss about the Avengers with what little we have now instead of discussing the film on unconfirmed info for weeks/days, only to find out that everything I said was pretty much worthless.

Plus, it doesn't help his cause due to the fact that just a while you ago, you were stating as if the film was only going to get similar results that Iron Man 1-2 got at the BO based on his brother's view.
:pal:

[Dr Lee]

If i may..... i don't see the point of trying to debate what'll happen in a movie with a fake script

as for D23..... i have no doubt that the full teaser will be released in 1080p during or after it.... and i'm half expecting a few screen caps of the movie.

[JB-the-Hunter]

If i may..... i don't see the point of trying to debate what'll happen in a movie with a fake script

as for D23..... i have no doubt that the full teaser will be released in 1080p during or after it.... and i'm half expecting a few screen caps of the movie.

I think a little more than just the teaser that everyone's already seen will be shown.

[Alexei Belyakov]

PWN3R, if you don't wanna discuss the leak, how about you just - don't? Do you really need to waste a post on telling me how "I'm shoving a paragraph of internet data into your throat"? If you read one of my posts and have nothing to say relating to the topic at hand, how about you just don't say anything at all? Food for thought. herolee10, I showed you respect & tact throughout the last few pages of discussion, but I see you felt the overwhelming internet urge to refrain from doing the same. Yes, I don't think this film will make Transformers 2/Spider Man numbers at the BO. Doesn't mean I'm not excited to see it ; ) Again, thanks for the last few [unfriendly] posts. Sometimes I forget what an unpleasant place the internet is. It really is hard to find courteous people to interact with.

[BigThor]

I think a little more than just the teaser that everyone's already seen will be shown.

I sure hope so, I wanna see more focused action if they release a new teaser.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Wasn't it confirmed that there will be named villains other than Loki in this? I'm pretty sure there will be whether they're Skrulls or not.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I sure hope so, I wanna see more focused action if they release a new teaser.
I want to hear/see some dramatic dialogue and everyone in costume and I'll be happy.

[PWN3R]

PWN3R, if you don't wanna discuss the leak, how about you just - don't? Do you really need to waste a post on telling me how "I'm shoving a paragraph of internet data into your throat"? If you read one of my posts and have nothing to say relating to the topic at hand, how about you just don't say anything at all? Food for thought. herolee10, I showed you respect & tact throughout the last few pages of discussion, but I see you felt the overwhelming internet urge to refrain from doing the same. Yes, I don't think this film will make Transformers 2/Spider Man numbers at the BO. Doesn't mean I'm not excited to see it ; ) Again, thanks for the last few [unfriendly] posts. Sometimes I forget what an unpleasant place the internet is. It really is hard to find courteous people to interact with.

I don't know why you're highlighting just me, I'm not the first to mention this to you. Several other good and contributing posters have spoken about this.

I could write a block of text on why you're doing the same thing you just accused me off, but I'm lazy.

[herolee10]

If i may..... i don't see the point of trying to debate what'll happen in a movie with a fake script

as for D23..... i have no doubt that the full teaser will be released in 1080p during or after it.... and i'm half expecting a few screen caps of the movie.

With any luck, we'll get some new footage in it as well.

herolee10, I showed you respect & tact throughout the last few pages of discussion, but I see you felt the overwhelming internet urge to refrain from doing the same. Yes, I don't think this film will make Transformers 2/Spider Man numbers at the BO. Doesn't mean I'm not excited to see it ; ) Again, thanks for the last few [unfriendly] posts. Sometimes I forget what an unpleasant place the internet is. It really is hard to find courteous people to interact with.

Oh believe me when I say that this is what I'm normally like, and if I was trying to be rude to someone, then everyone would be calling me an ass right now since it'd be that evident.

Be that as it may, I'll just end the debate by saying that I don't see the logic behind the "leaked script's" supposed details, nor do I see any reason to talk about things based on a unconfirmed "leaked" script.

And it'd probably help whatever point you're trying to make if it didn't come off to a lot of people that you thought the leaked script was entirely accurate because whether that was your intention or not, your posts come off as if the leaked script is entirely accurate.

I don't know on how it is on the other threads, but I do think I speak for a lot people here when I say that we like to discuss things that are based on hard strong/confirmed facts.

[herolee10]

Wasn't it confirmed that there will be named villains other than Loki in this? I'm pretty sure there will be whether they're Skrulls or not.

I wouldn't say confirmed since I believe one of our users: "Poni_Boy" was the one to say that, and he (or she) hasn't been around for quite awhile, and there wasn't really much basis to back up on what he was claiming to know imho.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I wouldn't say confirmed since I believe one of our users: "Poni_Boy" was the one to say that, and he (or she) hasn't been around for quite awhile, and there wasn't really much basis to back up on what he was claiming to know imho.
He has been right about some things before, and he has is own website: www.dailyblam.com
He's not exactly RIM or Freshman, but I don't think he made anything up.

[herolee10]

He has been right about some things before, and he has is own website: www.dailyblam.com
He's not exactly RIM or Freshman, but I don't think he made anything up.

Not saying that he did, but it's entirely possible that he may have gotten the wrong info.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Not saying that he did, but it's entirely possible that he may have gotten the wrong info.
True, but I also hope what he said is true. Hopefully there's at least 3 prominent villains besides Loki.

[Alexei Belyakov]

herolee10, in case you didn't know the definition of Speculation: Opinion based on incomplete information; a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information. So yeah, that pretty much annuls your "reasoning" for showing me contempt on this page. Its cool though, I'm sure other people (not Parker Wayne or PWN3R) would like to speculate on this speculation thread with me.

[Parker Wayne]

PWN3R, if you don't wanna discuss the leak, how about you just - don't? Do you really need to waste a post on telling me how "I'm shoving a paragraph of internet data into your throat"? If you read one of my posts and have nothing to say relating to the topic at hand, how about you just don't say anything at all? Food for thought. herolee10, I showed you respect & tact throughout the last few pages of discussion, but I see you felt the overwhelming internet urge to refrain from doing the same. Yes, I don't think this film will make Transformers 2/Spider Man numbers at the BO. Doesn't mean I'm not excited to see it ; ) Again, thanks for the last few [unfriendly] posts. Sometimes I forget what an unpleasant place the internet is. It really is hard to find courteous people to interact with.

You're forgetting the main point, so let me highlight it for you.

NO ONE wants to talk about the leaked script.

You're the only one who's talking about it and like other said, have been jamming it down our throats.

[Bren]

I don't know on how it is on the other threads, but I do think I speak for a lot people here when I say that we like to discuss things that are based on hard strong/confirmed facts.

It does say 'Speculation' in the thread name, right? And a possible leaked script falls into that category pretty well.

That AB thinks it's a 100% lock doesn't stop me debating the 'logic' or 'effectiveness' of said script just because I don't believe 100% it's real.

It's kinda arrogant of people to try tell someone else to shut up, just because they don't like what the other is saying.

EDIT: Saw AB already addressed the 'speculation' name ;)

[herolee10]

herolee10, in case you didn't know the definition of Speculation: Opinion based on incomplete information; a conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information. So yeah, that pretty much annuls your "reasoning" for showing me contempt on this page. Its cool though, I'm sure other people (not Parker Wayne or PWN3R) would like to speculate on this speculation thread with me.

Ergo; this thread was created to speculate on things based on the OFFICIAL or ACCURATE news that we receive, and not spend time endlessly discussing info that was not proven to be accurate.

[HUMANIMAL]

Kevin Feige On Joss Whedon, Comedy & The Villains In The Avengers!
http://www.**************.com/fansites/CoastToCoastStation/news/?a=44095

[Kane52630]

Speculation: The Avengers will have a big dance number. It said so in the leaked script!

[Alexei Belyakov]

Bren, cheers mate : ) your good manners & common sense are a refreshing sight in this very rude/misinformed page.

[Parker Wayne]

Speculation: The Avengers will have a big dance number. It said so in the leaked script!

If Hulk does the cabbage patch or the running man it will be awesome.

[Bren]

Ergo; this thread was created to speculate on things based on the OFFICIAL or ACCURATE news that we receive, and not spend time endlessly discussing info that was not proven to be accurate.

Where is that stipulated?
Come on, I'm not looking to get involved in or start an argument, but really - The poster is just debating a possible leaked script. That's it. It doesn't matter if they think it's real or not. You don't want to get involved, then.... don't.

If Hulk does the cabbage patch or the running man it will be awesome.

It would indeed!!!
And Thor could be MC Hammer... :)

[Parker Wayne]

Bren, cheers mate : ) your good manners & common sense are a refreshing sight in this very rude/misinformed page.

Now you didn't have to go to name calling and insults. I didn't throw one insult at you, though I was too rude. You have every right to discuss it. I'm just sick of this talk about the leaked script. I think you're trying to put a strangehold on the discussion by basing all of your information of it instead of trying to speculate (yes, I do know the meaning thank you very much, we're not idiots like you think we are). I think you're trying to hammer the script into heads when we want to discuss other things without being corrected by a script that may or may not be real. You're being a bit to aggressive about this script.

[Adamantium Man]

So, what's new?

*scrolls*

Oh, "leaked"/probably fake/definitely re-written script speculation. Yawn. Wake me when some definite news comes along.

[Parker Wayne]

Haha

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm still laughing at 'Misinformed'

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm still laughing at 'Misinformed' I applaud your very reliable lack of etiquette. Although I must admit, I'm still puzzled by what pleasure you must obtain from mocking people on a message board. Then again, its the internet so your callousness is almost obligatory.

[Adamantium Man]

You have to admit, AB, treating a probably fake script leak as gospel and then calling other posters misinformed is delightfully ironic. I'm with Wolvie on this.

[Alexei Belyakov]

You have to admit, AB, treating a probably fake script leak as gospel and then calling other posters misinformed is delightfully ironic. I'm with Wolvie on this. I directed the "misinformed" comment to herolee10, Parker Wayne & PWN3R for their concept of "speculation". They were trying to shut me up & herolee10 cited the alleged script's authenticity as a valid reason for that. Apparently in his eyes, the discussion of a potentially real script doesn't belong in this speculation thread - which according to the bunch is reserved for news only. Anyway, as I've said many times [despite some failing to see] in my posts, the script could be fake. Or it could be real. Until we know for sure, its good food for discussion & speculation. Wolvieboy just loves spewing vitriol at me every chance he gets.

[Adamantium Man]

Yeah, I read through it all, hoping for some actual news. This is what you said:

Bren, cheers mate : ) your good manners & common sense are a refreshing sight in this very rude/misinformed page.

Sounds like a generalization to me. And an ironic use of the word 'misinformed'. Also, if this is what you call 'vitriol', then an internet discussion forum might not be the place for you. This was bickering, nothing more.

Anyway, moving on. Seems we're about to get some nice set photos next week :woot:

Also, anyone care to speculate what's up with Sam Jackson and the NASA shoot? Abomination containment chamber? Helicarrier interior? Some sort of metahuman prison cell?

[Wolvieboy17]

I applaud your very reliable lack of etiquette. Although I must admit, I'm still puzzled by what pleasure you must obtain from mocking people on a message board. Then again, its the internet so your callousness is almost obligatory.

Actually, it was mainly the irony that amused me, what, with you calling everyone here misinformed and all. You know, since you're defending the legitimacy of a script we have no proof was ever real or pertains to the current script. And your previous BO opinions, where you ignored most of the BO stats other posters put up. Do you see the irony? It's definitely worth laughing at.

Wolvieboy just loves spewing vitriol at me every time I make spurious comments without any evidence.

Fixed

[Alexei Belyakov]

Yeah, I read through it all, hoping for some actual news. This is what you said:



Sounds like a generalization to me. And an ironic use of the word 'misinformed'. Also, if this is what you call 'vitriol', then an internet discussion forum might not be the place for you. This was bickering, nothing more.
Oh, I can tell you're not being sympathetic towards me, but that's alright, your last few posts were clearly made to support Wolvieboy. That's one of the most common things I see in forums, a communal effort to dismiss someone refusing to cede, even if he's being unjustly slighted.

I've been posting on message boards for a long time. While it is possible to find polite people to interact with, most of the time you get flamed for dissagreeing with folks or in tonight's case told to shut up in big bold letters (laughs). Gotta love the internet, eh? Nice talking with ya, Adamantium Man.

[Adamantium Man]

... and this is where I stop feeding the troll. It's been swell.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Actually, it was mainly the irony that amused me, what, with you calling everyone here misinformed and all. You know, since you're defending the legitimacy of a script we have no proof was ever real or pertains to the current script. And your previous BO opinions, where you ignored most of the BO stats other posters put up. Do you see the irony? It's definitely worth laughing at.

What I see is a person with such a shortage of civility that at every possible opportunity
takes another jab at a complete stranger over a fan forum. I understand that internet interaction is as impersonal as it gets, but must you be so venomous? The thought of stoning someone for dissagreeing with one's viewpoint, rather than embrace the friendly spirit of debate, always baffles me. But Wolvie, if you feel you need to continue being unpleasant with me, please do.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Is it over yet?
*looks around*
no, apparently not. no news. no speculation, still just some crazy guy with a fake script.
As I said before. I'm out of this thread until this $h** ends...

[Wolvieboy17]

Dude, this has nothing to do with 'being unpleasant', it's about people disagreeing with not only your posts but also your demeanour.

Like so many things in an internet forum, the concept of someone being 'unpleasant' is entirely subjective. To you, you've been unjustly slighted, but to most of the people here reacting to you, we've found your attitude towards these script leaks entirely unpleasant. It's posted with the arrogance of someone who is certain of themselves when they have no need to be.

You've complained consistently, and in an annoyingly superior way, about how rude we all are, yet have you shown any effort to actually curb the very attitude that has clearly inspired this reaction?

And before you come out and once more say "I never said the leak WAS true, just that it could be" I'd like to point out you never stated that sentiment until AFTER you came under criticism for the script leak posts.

Please, stop playing the victim, this isn't a personal attack. As I pointed out earlier, I was very much in agreement with you on several things about a week or so ago, this is not personal but rather very much to do with your posts. Since you've been on internet forums for as long as you say, you should be very much aware that due to the anonymity of the posters, you are only valued as a person and contributor by the content you say. If you're feeling hostility from a number of people, perhaps it ISN'T personal attack on you, or it ISN'T rudeness from others, but rather the words you are saying and the way you are saying them.

Food for thought.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is it over yet?
*looks around*
no, apparently not. no news. no speculation, still just some crazy guy with a fake script.
As I said before. I'm out of this thread until this $h** ends... Lol

[herolee10]

Well in other news; I'm super psyched after having read the recent comments from Feige. I had feared that the action in the film wouldn't be as epic as I had hoped.

[Whiskey Tango]

You've complained consistently, and in an annoyingly superior way, about how rude we all are, yet have you shown any effort to actually curb the very attitude that has clearly inspired this reaction?

Why would he do that? Dude acts like he owns the joint and everyone else ought to feel privileged to listen to him ramble. That's what was pissing me off a week ago. I thought maybe he'd straighten up but alas.

I miss The Mayor. At least that guy added a bit of humor to the proceedings.

[steintym]

Wow, this place got crazy since I last checked last night.

[steintym]

What did happen to The Mayor? Is he completely gone?

[Whiskey Tango]

What did happen to The Mayor? Is he completely gone?

Yeah, he got the axe. I wouldn't be surprised if he had another account tho.

[RaZaTrOn]

Also, anyone care to speculate what's up with Sam Jackson and the NASA shoot? Abomination containment chamber? Helicarrier interior? Some sort of metahuman prison cell?

This is the best comment to arise in this thread for a few days and it's been ignored!!

Let's speculate on this fact and get some fresh air in here!

I think it's really peculiar that it's been said the only big named star is SLJ filming there. I really like the idea of it being some kind of containment chamber.

I'm a bit iffy on the idea of it just being SLJ. I mean he's usually just SLJ playing SLJ being 'whoever' so hopefully he really embodied Nick Fury and becomes the character so that when we see him on his own it's not like 'oh it's SLJ'

[steintym]

I'm excited to see SLJ actually do something. Can't wait to see him in some action scenes instead of just showing up and shooting the **** with someone.

[Adamantium Man]

He said in a recent interview that he actually gets to do stuff to people, so, yeah. Badass Fury incoming, I hope.

Purely speculating here, but don't they have a zero G simulation area at NASA? Fury space walk! :D

[Blackman]

All you guys arguing...you gotta learn how to be funny man

[sgaana]

I think it's really peculiar that it's been said the only big named star is SLJ filming there. I really like the idea of it being some kind of containment chamber.

I initially thought that seemed odd, but then realized that whatever scene it's for may involve Fury along with a few other characters... whose effects might be done very differently.

For example, if it's a scene with Fury and Iron Man... Iron Man would be done completely with special effects, you don't need to put anyone physically in a zero-g chamber (or, you don't need to put a star in a zero-g chamber, you can put any stuntman wearing a mo-cap suit in there). The same might hold true if it's a scene with Fury and Banner/Hulk.

Or, if it's a scene with Fury and Thor, they might be filming Hemsworth's action separately because it involves different effects, to suggest that in a weightless environment, Thor is able to move differently than a human.

Really interesting detail, no matter what, though. It shows that they're going to extra lengths to make it look spectacular.

[Chewy]

Well RDJ said he's done filming, right? So if there's any more Iron Man stuff it'd definitely involve a stuntman.

[Hunter Rider]

Well RDJ said he's done filming, right? So if there's any more Iron Man stuff it'd definitely involve a stuntman.

So is Iron Man's role smaller than the others?

[The Infernal]

So is Iron Man's role smaller than the others?

Who knows at this point. It could be that they filmed around him so he could go off and do other things like Sherlock Holmes 2.

Though I do remember reading on this board someone claiming that his contract stipulated that he got the most face time in the movie, but I don't know if that's true.

[Blackman]

So is Iron Man's role smaller than the others?
Well as Chewy said more IM stuff could involve a stuntman. I mean if theyre filming action scenes they could just put anyone under the helmet and then do the HUD stuff inside the helmet, where RDJ is needed later.

I dont know how much longer theyre planning on filming, but maybe they already filmed all the non action parts that involve Stark

[Crimson King]

I remember us discussing this before and the general consensus was that due to RDJ's price, they condensed the number of days he had to shoot...or something like that.

[Crimson King]

BTW, if we can't post leaked pictures, I move that AB should no longer be allowed to discuss the (supposed) leaked script.

[Avenger]

So is Iron Man's role smaller than the others?I doubt it. Because of RDJ's higher salary, they could only have him on set for about a month. If they spent that month focusing primarily on Iron Man's scenes, then a month should have been plenty of time to film most of what they needed. Iron Man is the biggest draw in the movie, so I doubt Marvel would want to de-emphasize his role.

[steintym]

Due to Iron Man's success and RDJ as a draw, I wouldn't expect Iron Man's role to be smaller than the others (at least not for this film).

[marvel_freshman]

NASA Plum Brook cast as S.H.I.E.L.D. research facility in the 'Avengers' film

The Space Power Facility is being used to portray a research facility that's a joint project of S.H.I.E.L.D., the spy agency in the Marvel Comics universe run by "Nick" Fury, and NASA, a film producer explained Thursday. Fury is portrayed by actor Samuel L. Jackson, who got a personal tour of the SPF on Wednesday from a NASA official.

Producer Jeremy Latcham said he expects the Plum Brook sequences to wind up in "several minutes" of the final film. He said NASA logos will likely appear in the film, and the SPF should be recognizable to area moviegoers.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/perkins-twp/news/2011/aug/11/nasa-plum-brook-cast-shield-research-facility-avengers-film

[Wolvieboy17]

Well NASA would probably indicate some sort of space involvement, right? So either, contact from extraterrestials or perhaps the launch pad of IM's new space capable suit (the one with the grey shoulder parts)

[RaZaTrOn]

BTW, if we can't post leaked pictures, I move that AB should no longer be allowed to discuss the (supposed) leaked script.

I agree on this, i mean out of respect for Marvel Studios it's unfair that some fool stole this property. All they want to do is make a great film for fans and people have to ruin it by doing that kind of stuff.



Anyone think that we might get a link to the Sentient World Observation and Response Department??? :cwink:

especially considering they were introduced in a certain X-men book written by a certain someone who so happens to be directing a certain film :cwink:

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, he got the axe. I wouldn't be surprised if he had another account tho.

That's what happens when you insult my love Hayley Atwell. :hrt:

[Hunter Rider]

Who knows at this point. It could be that they filmed around him so he could go off and do other things like Sherlock Holmes 2.

Though I do remember reading on this board someone claiming that his contract stipulated that he got the most face time in the movie, but I don't know if that's true.

I hadn't heard anything about his contract other than he was the most expensive to pay by far, which could explain shooting his stuff all in one go as quick as possible.

Well as Chewy said more IM stuff could involve a stuntman. I mean if theyre filming action scenes they could just put anyone under the helmet and then do the HUD stuff inside the helmet, where RDJ is needed later.

I dont know how much longer theyre planning on filming, but maybe they already filmed all the non action parts that involve Stark


I doubt it. Because of RDJ's higher salary, they could only have him on set for about a month. If they spent that month focusing primarily on Iron Man's scenes, then a month should have been plenty of time to film most of what they needed. Iron Man is the biggest draw in the movie, so I doubt Marvel would want to de-emphasize his role.


That makes sense, if they shot all the Stark scenes now the stuntman can do the action stuff and RDJ maybe can come back later and do some dialogue shots for inside the helmet.

[Wolvieboy17]

So much for Cap bombing.

[Tony Stark]

Well RDJ said he's done filming, right? So if there's any more Iron Man stuff it'd definitely involve a stuntman.

Keep in mind when alot of his scenes will be a CGI suit, with him doing a voiceover, he's not needed on set at all.

[Jennn]

Is anyone else going to the D23 Expo next weekend? I'm just curious how early people are planning on getting there for the Disney Studios/Marvel presentation.

[steintym]

Can't wait to get some reports from D23. Hopefully we'll get some nice bits of info regarding the movie.

[Iceman]

Well NASA would probably indicate some sort of space involvement, right? So either, contact from extraterrestials or perhaps the launch pad of IM's new space capable suit (the one with the grey shoulder parts)Oh yes! There's no threat from within the earth big enough for the Avengers. :word:

Keep in mind when alot of his scenes will be a CGI suit, with him doing a voiceover, he's not needed on set at all.True. I bet just having him on set makes scenes better though as he's a unique, talented and very funny guy.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't think the "RDJ getting the most face time" thing is true on account that it was SAAD who said that.

[Blackman]

lol classic SAAD

[marvel_freshman]

"The Avengers" movie to film booming explosions in Parma next week

PARMA, Ohio -- "The Avengers" film crew will film a series of exploding fireballs at the former Chevrolet Powertrain buiding Aug. 18 and 19.
The explosions, with fireballs that will reach 30 feet into the air, are part of the filming sequence of battles that will begin in Cleveland on Monday. Text explosions will be performed on Thursday with the actual filming taking place on Friday, Aug. 19.
The building is on Chevrolet Road midway Snow Road and Brook Park Road.
"Our administration has been working on this endeavor for several days," said Parma Mayor Dean DePiero in a news release. "We are pleased and excited it came together. It's not every day Hollywood comes to Parma."
Parma City Council will meet Monday and is expected to approve the pryotechnics.
"The Avengers" crew members will alert residents and buisinesses in the area before the explosions begin. The exact time of the explosions will be determined on site Friday by the crew and will be some time between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. Aug. 19.
Marvel Studios will reimburse the city for time provided by police and fire departments.

http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/index.ssf/2011/08/the_avengers_movie_to_film_boo.html

[TheVileOne]

Is anyone else going to the D23 Expo next weekend? I'm just curious how early people are planning on getting there for the Disney Studios/Marvel presentation.
Jann I will be there.

[steintym]

Reading that article about the explosions put a big smile on my face.

[steintym]

Jann I will be there.

Looking forward to hearing the good news.

[Jennn]

Jann I will be there.

cool! lol how early are you planning on being there. I hear that it's usually not that crowed but who knows.

[Vartha]

I grew up in Barrington. White Sox, baby :woot:
lol Mundelien here, tho when I got married I moved to Round lake/Ingleside in that order after my divorce.

[Raiden]

I wish I can go to D23, but the ticket price is a bit expensive, and if I go I'd have to bring my family over there. I think I'll wait a few more years after my kids start to appreciate Disney/Pixar movies, so they'll actually be excited about the event. Thankfully, with the way the information travels nowadays, I can probably get all the news online as if I were attending this event.

[Vartha]

I remember us discussing this before and the general consensus was that due to RDJ's price, they condensed the number of days he had to shoot...or something like that.
Yeah I can see them doing all these shoirt scenes with RDJ and a bunch of long Armor scenes where they don't need to use RDJ

[Vartha]

I wish I can go to D23, but the ticket price is a bit expensive, and if I go I'd have to bring my family over there. I think I'll wait a few more years after my kids start to appreciate Disney/Pixar movies, so they'll actually be excited about the event. Thankfully, with the way the information travels nowadays, I can probably get all the news online as if I were attending this event.
Same here Raiden. I rarely get to go to any kind of Convention as it is any more.
Last one I was at was over 20 years ago when I was still at the Kubert School in Jersey.

[marvel_freshman]

It's phony, but hilarious! Robert Downey Jr. shocked to find himself in Cleveland this morning

Actor Robert Downey Jr., a member of the cast for “The Avengers”, didn’t expect to find himself in Cleveland when he woke up this morning.
His surprise came despite the fact the movie is being shot in Cleveland all during the month of August.
An assistant of Downey Jr.’s, who asked not to be named, says she received a frantic call about 10 a.m. this morning from the Iron Man star who is reprising his role in “The Avengers.”
“He was completely rattled,” said the assistant. “He was sort of out of breath and just kept muttering to himself between sentences about how he must have really ****ed up this time or something.”
According to the assistant and other sources close to the situation speaking on condition of anonymity, Downey Jr. became disoriented when he got out of the shower and opened his hotel room door to see a copy of the Cleveland Plain Dealer waiting for him. Things only got worse when he turned on the TV and was confronted with Indians-Tigers highlights.
“I kept trying to calm him down and tell him that he was here to film a movie, but he wouldn’t listen,” said his assistant.
The assistant claims that Downey Jr., at one point in the conversation, said to her, “I’ve woken up in some ****ed up places before, but I’ve never woken up in a place like Cleveland.”
Things escalated after Downey Jr. abruptly hung up on his assistant by saying, “I need a minute to clear my head.” That call ended around 10:15 a.m. A call from Downey Jr. came in to 9-1-1 at approximately 10:25 a.m.
Tapes released of the 9-1-1 call reveal a confused Downey Jr. asking to be connected to someone who could help him and admitting that he “can’t be entirely sure I didn’t kill someone last night. For what it’s worth, there are no bodies in the bathtub here or anything.”
Cleveland police didn’t have much more success calming down the agitated star once they arrived.
“He was cooperative at first,” said Cleveland police chief Michael McGrath in a press conference. “What set him off was when he saw the Cleveland police logo on the uniforms. He kept requesting to talk to some real police officers from a real city and threatening to put on his Iron Man suit if we didn’t cooperate.”
Downey Jr. only began to normalize when director Joss Whedon showed up at the hotel room at approximately 11:30 a.m.
“This was nothing more than a simple miscommunication,” Whedon said. “We knew that we had to protect Rob and make every effort to help him think that he wasn’t in Cleveland. It appears someone on the crew didn’t get our memo and allowed him to be exposed to various elements of the city. I assure you that person will not be working on this production much longer.”
Whedon was finally able to calm Downey Jr. by telling him it was all a big joke and the whole cast would have a good laugh about it later.
“We’ve taken all necessary precautions for this to never happen again,” Whedon said. “The New York Times will be delivered to his door every morning and we’ve had a three-dimensional New York skyline mural painted on his hotel room windows in order to give the impression that he is not, in fact, in Cleveland.”
Whedon also said they are working with city officials to have a giant picture of the Empire State building draped over Terminal Tower “just in case Rob happens to notice the tall buildings.”

http://northcoastledger.com/2011/08/10/robert-downey-jr-shocked-to-find-himself-in-cleveland/

[RealIrOnMaN]

FAAAAAAAAKE!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmluwLIVR1qdj81co1_500.gif

But if it were true... I would be really disappointed, big time.

[iGiFF]

Insider news: Benedict Cumberbatch of the BBC's "Sherlock" is being looked for an unknown role in a future Marvel Studios film.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe/217181691631744

Doctor Strange? :O

[Blackman]

CUmberbatch creeps me out so much

[marvel_freshman]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe/217181691631744

Doctor Strange? :O

Who runs that FB page? Is it reliable?

[The Infernal]

No, just no. He's a good actor, but he's also up there with Dr Who actor Matt Smith for weird face actors who constantly distract you when you're trying to just watch the programme/film they are in.

Besides I really doubt some obscure tv actor from the UK is really on their radar.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Besides I really doubt some obscure tv actor from the UK is really on their radar.
He's playing freakin Smaug in The Hobbit though...

[Alexei Belyakov]

No, just no. He's a good actor, but he's also up there with Dr Who actor Matt Smith for weird face actors who constantly distract you when you're trying to just watch the programme/film they are in. Add Adrien Brody to that list. Every time I try watching one of his movies, I end up paying more attention to his nose than to the film's plot.

[BobbyCorwin88]

Owen Wilson's broken nose has always been pretty distracting, but funny at the same time.

[JoeyConQueso]

Owen Wilson's broken nose has always been pretty distracting, but funny at the same time.

The first time he comes on screen when I saw Meet The Parents was when I first laughed during the movie. I thought his nose was a comedic prosthetic.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Owen Wilson's broken nose has always been pretty distracting, but funny at the same time. I'll take Wilson's nose over Brody's. Adrien Brody is like this generation's Karl Malden. Great actor, but impossible to look at.

[The Infernal]

He's playing freakin Smaug in The Hobbit though...

I suppose that's a good excuse then. Still don't the looks even remotely like someone I could buy as Strange though.

Haven't read the Hobbit (just LotR). Isn't that the dragon?

Add Adrien Brody to that list. Every time I try watching one of his movies, I end up paying more attention to his nose than to the film's plot.

Yeah, it's a shame that fall in the start of Predators didn't solve that problem for him. lol

Owen Wilson's broken nose has always been pretty distracting, but funny at the same time.

Yeah, it reminds me of the prosthetic nose on Dan Aykroyd in the film Nothing but Trouble.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Yeah, it reminded me of the prosthetic nose on Dan Aykroyd in the film Nothing but Trouble. One of my all-time favorite movies. The twins were deliciously hideous.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Haven't read the Hobbit (just LotR). Isn't that the dragon?
Yeah Smaug is the dragon, and according to Guillermo Del Toro and Peter Jackson, he will be THE movie dragon.

[marvel_freshman]

Avengers filming wrapping up at NASA facility in Sandusky
At a press conference Thursday, Marvel Studio officials said Plum Brook played a vital role in bringing the movie to Ohio. NASA officials were happy to get the business and hope it will be the first of many Hollywood movies filmed at the site.
Members of the media were not allowed inside the dome-shaped building where the film is being shot. But Jeremy Renner, the actor who plays the arrow-shooting Avenger "Hawkeye," was spotted getting his hair styled outside.
Jeremy Latcham, co-producer of the movie for Marvel Studios, said they would wrap up the week's worth of filming at Plum Brook today and move to a week of filming on East Ninth Street and other locations in Cleveland on Monday.
He said the scenes at Plum Brook have used Renner, Samuel L. Jackson (as SHIELD head Nick Fury) and other actors playing SHIELD agents. In the movie, NASA will be said to be cooperating with SHIELD, Marvel's superspy agency that created The Avengers.
Latcham said several of the stars and crew have gone to Put-in-Bay in their free time and many plan to get to Cedar Point. He said the actors are staying in a Cleveland hotel and driving to Sandusky for the filming.

http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/index.ssf/2011/08/avengers_filming_wrapping_up_a.html

[Matt Mortem]

Aliens!!!!!

[HighFivingMF]

FAAAAAAAAKE!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmluwLIVR1qdj81co1_500.gif

But if it were true... I would be really disappointed, big time.

It looks like he's saying "Taco whore"

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah Smaug is the dragon, and according to Guillermo Del Toro and Peter Jackson, he will be THE movie dragon.

Apparently Cumberbatch is playing more than one character too

[steintym]

lol Mundelien here, tho when I got married I moved to Round lake/Ingleside in that order after my divorce.

Mundelien? Ever hit Bill's Pizza Pub? Awesome pizza.

[steintym]

Add Adrien Brody to that list. Every time I try watching one of his movies, I end up paying more attention to his nose than to the film's plot.

Too funny! I was just watching Predators the other night and his nose was distracting me the entire time. Close ups were brutal.

[Spider-Vader]

So is Iron Man's role smaller than the others?

Maybe there's Stark spends alot of time in the suit? RDJ wouldn't be needed to record line for that until filming is done.

[flickchick85]

Benedict Cumberbatch is freakin' awesome (as much as I love RDJ, Cumberbatch is the superior Sherlock Holmes, imo), but I'd rather see him as Brainiac than any Marvel character, tbh.

[steintym]

It looks like he's saying "Taco whore"

I can't see him saying anything but "Taco Whore" now. :awesome:

[Alexei Belyakov]

lol Mundelien here, tho when I got married I moved to Round lake/Ingleside in that order after my divorce. Sorry to hear about the divorce. I came close to going down that road myself last year. Wife left for 6 months & my daughter had to go back & forth, which she hated (she's 13). 2010 was brutal. Wife came back though and we've been at it again for a while now : ) Mundelien? Ever hit up Bill's Pizza Pub? Awesome pizza. Love that joint. Hey, you guys ever been to Sam's Food & Liquors? Its on West 43rd st & 78th in Lyons. Awesome bar. If you're ever in the area, hit me up. I live a few blocks from there.

[Wolvieboy17]

Sorry to hear about the divorce. I came close to going down that road myself last year. Wife left for 6 months & my daughter had to go back & forth, which she hated (she's 13). 2010 was brutal. Wife came back though and we've been at it again for a while now : )

Lol, that's like what happened with my parents, like 10 years ago. My Dad took me aside and told me he and Mum were splitting up and I was heartbroken.... Then a week or so went by and they were still together and he just never brought it up again. I'm sure it hasn't scarred me in any way whatsoever *nervous twitch*

[Alexei Belyakov]

Lol, that's like what happened with my parents, like 10 years ago. My Dad took me aside and told me he and Mum were splitting up and I was heartbroken... Then a week or so went by and they were still together and he just never brought it up again. I'm sure it hasn't scarred me in any way whatsoever *nervous twitch* Yeah, its really hard on kids. My daughter's probably the main reason we got back together. She told me whenever she was over her Mom's she'd give her brutal guilt trips about leaving (brilliant). Plus, she would mention I refused to go out. I pretty much just hung out with her when I wasn't working. I'd pick her up from school and we'd watch endless [agonizing] hours of Gossip Girl.

[Wolvieboy17]

It sure produces tough as nails kids though. My last gf and my current one, both children of divorces, were so damn hard edged they made Ripley look like Barney the Dinosaur. There was a lot of bitterness and mistrust of 'men' to work through but hey, I guess thats how I roll.... Looking for nice, complicated and emotionally turbulent relationships........................Which, in a way, is a lot like the Avengers, right? (What a segue)

[Alexei Belyakov]

It sure produces tough as nails kids though. My last gf and my current one, both children of divorces, were so damn hard edged they made Ripley look like Barney the Dinosaur. There was a lot of bitterness and mistrust of 'men' to work through but hey, I guess thats how I roll.... Looking for nice, complicated and emotionally turbulent relationships........................Which, in a way, is a lot like the Avengers, right? (What a segue) I'm really hoping, that despite what they've said, we do get a cameo from The Pyms. If Marvel's announcing the identity of its 2014 projects at D23, maybe they'll confirm Ant-Man as one of them along with who's playing the title role. If that's the case, they'd have more than enough time to shoot the cameo(s).

[cherokeesam]

Avengers filming wrapping up at NASA facility in Sandusky


http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/index.ssf/2011/08/avengers_filming_wrapping_up_a.html


Doesn't sound like Sandusky has anything to do with Stark's spacesuit, then. (Or maybe he's going to film there on a separate day, or he *was* there but just had to be whisked in incognito, or w/e).

With Hawkeye confirmed to be at the NASA facility, though, I suddenly find myself inexplicably screaming "JETBIKE! JETBIKE! JETBIKE!" for no apparent reason.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/17809/352606-154710-hawkeye-s-skycycle_large.jpg

[Wolvieboy17]

I hope we get a scene where everyone rips on Hawkeye lol

One of my favourite scenes in EMH was when Hawkeye challenges Hulk to a fight, which makes Hulk laugh so hard he transforms back into Banner. That was priceless.

I still really want to see Edgar Wright's Antman, I loved the story idea he had, such a clever way of involving both Pym and Lang.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I still really want to see Edgar Wright's Antman, I loved the story idea he had, such a clever way of involving both Pym and Lang. No Lang for me, thanks.

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm more of a Pym man myself, but the way he wanted to use Lang was cool, most likely so they can have a seperate person for both Antman and Giantman/Yellow Jacket, which I'm fine with.

The Lang idea works great as a comedy premise too. I believe it was basically Pym is the scientist we all know and love, who's made various things, including Pym particles, and Lang is a thief who steals the Ant Man prototype and ends up accidentally shrinking himself and has to try and reverse it or something. It would definitely be very different for a Marvel film, and Edgar Wright would make a great comedy film.

[WildcatNC]

I'm more of a Pym man myself, but the way he wanted to use Lang was cool, most likely so they can have a seperate person for both Antman and Giantman/Yellow Jacket, which I'm fine with.

The Lang idea works great as a comedy premise too. I believe it was basically Pym is the scientist we all know and love, who's made various things, including Pym particles, and Lang is a thief who steals the Ant Man prototype and ends up accidentally shrinking himself and has to try and reverse it or something. It would definitely be very different for a Marvel film, and Edgar Wright would make a great comedy film.

"Honey I Shrunk Myself"

[Alexei Belyakov]

Honey, I Shrunk The Kids is still my favorite Joe Johnston movie.

[PWN3R]

The Lang idea works great as a comedy premise too. I believe it was basically Pym is the scientist we all know and love, who's made various things, including Pym particles, and Lang is a thief who steals the Ant Man prototype and ends up accidentally shrinking himself and has to try and reverse it or something. It would definitely be very different for a Marvel film, and Edgar Wright would make a great comedy film.

So Wright is taking inspiration from Kirkman's 'Irredeemable Ant Man'? That would be absolutely perfect.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I thought it was a great idea, especially since Ant Man isn't exactly A Lister Blockbuster movie potential for a solo movie, it would be a fantastic way to simultaneously have a really unique MCU movie and also introduce audiences to a character in a really endearing and entertaining way. When comedy is done well, it can be much easier to create a bond between the audience and the main character than it can be with action movies.

[Alexei Belyakov]

While I agree the premise of Ant-Man is gonna be a hard sell to the GA, I think a strong cast & Wright's artistic prowess will [yet again] win over the critics. Yeah, good reviews don't guarantee a strong BO (First Class) but at least the good word of mouth can influence ticket sales, even if ever so slightly. Personally, I'd rather have another truly great CBM in the vein of X2 & SM2 thanks to Wright, than another by-the-numbers popcorn movie that guzzles money. Whatever Wright does, it'll be great. Even if it makes Scott Pilgrim numbers.

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, those kinda films can still make a bundle in DVD and Blu-Ray sales.

[marvel_freshman]

Again, nothing exciting. but...
Went for fitting for NYPD in 'The Avengers'. VERY STRICT! NOBODY even allowed on the fitting area with the costumes. They are tough!!!

Seems it's gonna be Pramedics, Firefighters, police officers, businessmen all on set on the same day (duh:cwink:). Should be exciting. This is reminding me of filming for The Incredible Hulk's "Abomination" battle scene. Anyhow, things are looking great on set. Resembling New York already.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5762/ergrge.png

[Wolvieboy17]

God Marvel, SPOILERS! Now I know paramedics are involved. Thanks a lot!

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm hoping Feige's pointing out of the mayhem in the Transformers 3 trailer is indication that the devastation level in this film will be extreme. Casualties = tension.

[Wolvieboy17]

As long as Hulk doesn't eat anyone. I want my Hulk 616-ish, not like the Ultimates Incannibal Hulk

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm intrigued by the Hulk's role in this film. The little we've heard from Ruffalo, what I've read from the leak, his new, more vintage look...I'm hoping this will be his definitive outing. Personally, I'd love a [live-action] Planet Hulk movie. That would be a cream dream. Just wish The Silver Surfer didn't belong to Fox.

[Wolvieboy17]

I've always thought Hulk/Banner was one of those characters who was a lot more interesting when part of a group. It's so much easier to show what a loner/outsider he is when we can see how his contemporaries act towards him, and having other characters for Hulk to turn on, to show how he can be both volatile and heroic.

[antovolk]

You know how the post credits teaser wasn't in 3D?
Well, tomorrow (Sat) at the Dublin Movie Fest, Disney are showing trailers for their upcomg films, and The Avengers is one of them! And according to some news sources the trailer is in 3D...
Preview Footage and Trailers from Disney (including Dreamworks, Pixar, Marvel). http://www.movies.ie/fest/

Also the admin Guy (MovieFest) in this thread basically confirmed The Avengers trailer being in 3D...
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056342294?page=3#post_73752535
P.S The Amazing Spider-Man is being released by Sony Pictures, so that footage is on Sunday. The Avengers is being released by Disney/Marvel, the 3D trailer for that is on Saturday.

Anyway, that means they're screening either a completely new trailer or just a theatrical 3D version of the post credits teaser, and it also means that it should be released online sometime next week...

[Wolvieboy17]

Ah man, all those really fast, hard to see cuts will only be enhanced in 3D, when they're projected directly into your retinas :P

[Gamma Goliath]

As long as Hulk doesn't eat anyone. I want my Hulk 616-ish, not like the Ultimates Incannibal Hulk

This. I hate pretty much 90% of the content that exist in the ultimate universe. Lol

[Wolvieboy17]

I think they did SOME cool things, but any strong idea developed in the Ultimate universe basically ended up turning to ****. I loved the way they incorporated Thor's place in the team, with people not really believing he was a God. I also liked the stories themselves, for the first 3 volumes of Ultimates and then Ultimate X-Men up until say volume 7? The characters in Ultimates were meh though. The main reason I loved it was, at that point, it seemed like the closest we'd ever get to having an Avengers movie. It's funny seeing what things influenced the movie from Ultimate and what things came from 616. It really shows Marvel has thought everything through.

I do miss Ultimate X-Men though. It started so damn strong, and was vastly more enjoyable than most of the recent 616 stuff on X-Men. I hate what happened to them all as characters.

[Parker Wayne]

This. I hate pretty much 90% of the content that exist in the ultimate universe. Lol

Thor and Captain America's costume I'd consider part of the 10%.

Plus, Ultimate Thor is probably one of the few characters I actually like.

[herolee10]

Well, while I'm not the biggest Hulk Fan, I'm hoping that by the end of the Avengers, he'll be mostly regarded by many as a hero, as opposed to being viewed as either a huge liability or menace for society.

Though given on how Whedon keeps emphasizing on how these group of heroes are the type of people that ordinarily shouldn't be placed together as a unit, I can't wait to see on how that dynamic unfolds on screen. I'm willing to bet that we'll have a good amount of scenes where they all argue with each other after having botched a mission due to bad communication and dysfunctional group collaborative efforts

[Wolvieboy17]

I think it will be that classic thing where nobody initially gets on with one another on a personal level, but when the proverbial hits the fan, the way each member deals with pressure just fits in and compliments one another nicely.

Going back to things in EMH I'd love to see, I'd love to see Steve sparring with Tony in the training ring. That could be a really great scene.

[J.Howlett]

I have an honest question for the experts who follow the comic and this production: why isn't Rhodey apart of the Avengers?

Wouldn't Nick Fury want a military man on the team, especially since the threat is global?

I'm honestly curious about why Tony but not Rhodey (considering their both wearing Iron Man suits) is on the team.

I'm just basing this off of watching Iron Man and Iron Man 2 back to back last night.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm glad Cheadle won't be in this. I never warmed up to his Rhodey.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, the way the movie went down isn't exactly the same as the comics, also in 616 Avengers isn't part of SHIELD anyway, it's paid for by Tony. I do believe, though, that War Machine was involved at various points, and he's definitely been involved in The Initiative.

[Wolvieboy17]

I liked Cheadles' Rhodey the same way I liked Maggie G as Rachel Dawes, it was fine casting but just jarring having to adjust to a new actor.

[herolee10]

I have an honest question for the experts who follow the comic and this production: why isn't Rhodey apart of the Avengers?

Wouldn't Nick Fury want a military man on the team, especially since the threat is global?

I'm honestly curious about why Tony but not Rhodey (considering their both wearing Iron Man suits) is on the team.

I'm just basing this off of watching Iron Man and Iron Man 2 back to back last night.

Nick Fury couldn't afford him:wow::oldrazz:

J/K

That is a good question. It's possible that he could still be referenced in the film, and given on how I'm sure Marvel Studios is planning on expanding their universe by incorporating more heroes into it in the near future, they could just say that Rhodey was somewhere else in the world for military purposes due to the Global Worldwide Threat of the situation.

Though in a way, it's somewhat of a relief that he's not in the film since I've read many stating on how it might take off the uniqueness of Iron Man being on the team if there were two men who wore Iron Suits.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I liked Cheadles' Rhodey the same way I liked Maggie G as Rachel Dawes, it was fine casting but just jarring having to adjust to a new actor. I dissagree on it being fine casting. I like Don Cheadle, but not as an action man. He doesn't exude that intimidatory quality that Terrence Howard does. If they had to recast, so be it. Just don't get a guy that's shorter than RDJ & that looks as intimidating as Tim Meadows. I remember going to see Traitor, which was a decent flick but brought me to the same question I had when they cast Cheadle: "This guy? Really?". With the Rachel Dawes character I'm sure Nolan pretty much said "let's recast the role & actually hire an actress this time."

[J.Howlett]

Well, I hope they have a good reason for him not to be there but for him to possibly show up in Iron Man 3.

It's the same situation with Jane, but more complicated.

[Dark Raven]

I dissagree on it being fine casting. I like Don Cheadle, but not as an action man. He doesn't exude that intimidatory quality that Terrence Howard does. If they had to recast, so be it. Just don't get a guy that's shorter than RDJ & that looks as intimidating as Tim Meadows. I remember going to see Traitor, which was a decent flick but brought me to the same question I had when they cast Cheadle: "This guy? Really?". With the Rachel Dawes character I'm sure Nolan pretty much said "let's recast the role & actually hire an actress this time."

Terrence Howard doesn't exactly come across as intimidating but whiney, especially with his high pitched voice. I wasn't a fan of Cheadle either, but Howard wasn't that much better. To think that when he was first case, it was said that Howard was so good that he could even have played Tony Stark if that's the direction they wanted to go in. Please. He would've ruined the whole franchise.

For Rhodey they needed a tougher, sportier black actor who could be a bit more laid back. If they didn't want someone too expensive, they could've gotten an actor like Blair Underwood or someone similar. He has more the physical characeristics and personality that Rhodey should have:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Blair_Underwood_at_the_41st_Emmy_Awards_cropped.jp g

[herolee10]

Personally, I still think that there's a great chance that the events of the Avengers, what with the whole Global Threat and all, is going to be the inciting incident that starts a chain of events that involves the other heroes of MCU that we haven't seen coming into the spotlight in future films.

[Alexei Belyakov]

DarkRaven, while we dissagree on Howard's intimidation factor, I too would have preferred Blair Underwood over Don Cheadle. I really think they just wanted to replace Howard with someone that had the "Academy Award Nominee" cred (like most of their other actors) rather than someone truly fitting. I loved Howard in Hustle & Flow & in Iron Man. The guy's voice alone is gold.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Wait... so if they're showing the Avengers trailer in 3D during that Ireland Movie Fest, then it's fair to say, that the movie is being converted in 3D. Since Mark Ruffalo debunked all the rumors about the real 3D tech.

[Parker Wayne]

Cheadle I thought was an improvement over Howard and did a good job. While physically, he's not like Rhodey in the comics, I like that he took less crap than Howard did, but also the same time seemed to show more personality. Cheadle and RDJ seemed to have great chemistry, much better chemistry than Howard and RDJ, especially during the last scenes of the IM2.

[Alexei Belyakov]

3D conversion was expected (though unwelcome). I miss being able to watch the MCU movies in non-3D IMAX screens.

[Bren]

Also liked Cheadle. Really enjoyed his sense of humour too.

Just a question; If RDJ signed contracts for a certain number of films (which I'm assuming includes Avengers), is there not a set salary he's due? I thought that was the main benefit (after locking the actor to your movie) of doing multiple film contracts?

If so, why is it 'cheaper' to have him around for a shorter time period? Unless of course, his contract value is based on a daily rate... How's it work?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cheadle I thought was an improvement over Howard and did a good job. While physically, he's not like Rhodey in the comics, I like that he took less crap than Howard did, but also the same time seemed to show more personality. Cheadle and RDJ seemed to have great chemistry, much better chemistry than Howard and RDJ, especially during the last scenes of the IM2. Tbh, I thought both did great.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hopefully, we get more set pics today!

[Wolvieboy17]

I dissagree on it being fine casting. I like Don Cheadle, but not as an action man. He doesn't exude that intimidatory quality that Terrence Howard does. If they had to recast, so be it. Just don't get a guy that's shorter than RDJ & that looks as intimidating as Tim Meadows. I remember going to see Traitor, which was a decent flick but brought me to the same question I had when they cast Cheadle: "This guy? Really?". With the Rachel Dawes character I'm sure Nolan pretty much said "let's recast the role & actually hire an actress this time."

You found Howard intimidating? I thought his version of Rhodey was much more of a slapstick character and very hard to take seriously. Rhodey needs to very much be the straight man to Stark, the long time best friend who is immune to his BS and doesn't put up with his crap. I bought that from Cheadle but not from Howard. I also agree about Cheadle and RDJ having better chemistry, although I still rate the scene with Tony on the phone to Rhodey in IM 1 whilst avoiding the jets to be one of my favourite MCU scenes. It was just so unique and different. I personally wish more of the MCU films had scenes of that quality and less Cap style montages, that whilst look cool, don't particularly feel new or special. I'm hoping that Avengers is basically just scene after scene EXACTLY like that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Avengers filming wrapping up at NASA facility in Sandusky


http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/index.ssf/2011/08/avengers_filming_wrapping_up_a.html Awesome!

[Dr Lee]

I preferred Cheadle over Howard TBH....

Howard didn't seem like a military man.... Cheadle did....

[antovolk]

Wait... so if they're showing the Avengers trailer in 3D during that Ireland Movie Fest, then it's fair to say, that the movie is being converted in 3D. Since Mark Ruffalo debunked all the rumors about the real 3D tech.

Yeah, it's gonna be like Thor and Cap with the post-conversion stuff...
My money's gonna be on the post-crdits teaser with post-converted 3D being shown tomorrow.
Hopefully we'll get to see some footage of the actual event!

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolvieboy, ditto on that scene from IM & on wanting a return to that in The Avengers. We really need another MCU film with the quality of Iron Man. Hopefully this is it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Right now, one of the characters I'm most looking foward to seeing is Hulk.

[Dark Raven]

You found Howard intimidating? I thought his version of Rhodey was much more of a slapstick character and very hard to take seriously. Rhodey needs to very much be the straight man to Stark, the long time best friend who is immune to his BS and doesn't put up with his crap. I bought that from Cheadle but not from Howard. I also agree about Cheadle and RDJ having better chemistry, although I still rate the scene with Tony on the phone to Rhodey in IM 1 whilst avoiding the jets to be one of my favourite MCU scenes. It was just so unique and different. I personally wish more of the MCU films had scenes of that quality and less Cap style montages, that whilst look cool, don't particularly feel new or special. I'm hoping that Avengers is basically just scene after scene EXACTLY like that.

Well in all honesty, Rhodey isn't that much of a straight man to Stark in the comics. He's much more laid back than Cheadle portrayed him. The reason they've changed his personality in the movies is because of RDJ who is much more laid back and funnier than Stark in the comics. Comic Rhodey does take a lot of crap from Stark, and is very laid back. I remember when he took over the Iron Man suit, he was a far more streetwise and chilled out character and cracked a lot of jokes with his enemies, similar to Spider-Man's wisecracks that you wouldn't have gotten with Stark.

Neither Cheadle nor Howard have captured a comic-accurate portrayal of Rhodey. Even if RDJ is very charismatic and the main star, Rhodey could still afford to be not such a dour character. I think someone like Blair Underwood (and a number of other black actors) could've brought more of a personality to Rhodes.

[herolee10]

Right now, one of the characters I'm most looking foward to seeing is Hulk.

Agreed; hell I hope that we get to see some footage soon of Banner hulking out since Clark Gregg had tweeted a while back that he had been present for when they had shot a scene featuring that event.

Though, what I really hope to see soon is more footage of the Avengers themselves instead of seeing more clips of Fury like we did in the teaser.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ This.

[Alexei Belyakov]

The one thing I'm not looking forward to are the plasma weapons SHIELD agents are said to have in the film. I'm guessing they'll be just like the Hydra weapons from Cap, which I hated.

[herolee10]

Still curious to see on how they'll play out the interactions between Tony and Steve. After having seen on how Steve interacted with Howard, it'll be interesting from both of their perspectives, to see them interacting with each other when you consider their connections with Howard, along with the stark (no pun intended) contrast when it comes to their personalities.

Hell, it'd be funny for me if Tony refers to his dating activities with Pepper as him "fonduing" which gets Steve confused all over again.lol

[Spider-Fan]

I dissagree on it being fine casting. I like Don Cheadle, but not as an action man. He doesn't exude that intimidatory quality that Terrence Howard does. If they had to recast, so be it. Just don't get a guy that's shorter than RDJ & that looks as intimidating as Tim Meadows. I remember going to see Traitor, which was a decent flick but brought me to the same question I had when they cast Cheadle: "This guy? Really?". With the Rachel Dawes character I'm sure Nolan pretty much said "let's recast the role & actually hire an actress this time."

Cheadle was 50 times more intimidating than Howard was. Howard was FAR too meak and whiney as Rhodey. He had no spine. Cheadle had a spine. Far better Rhodey (not even close).

[Alexei Belyakov]

Cheadle was 50 times more intimidating than Howard was. Don Cheadle is the size of Tom Cruise. That's almost a whole foot shorter than Howard. He's an actor that excels primarily in comedic roles, not at all an action man. Hell, I laughed when he got all tough at Tony's b-day party. Howard was FAR too meak and whiney as Rhodey. He had no spine Were we watching the same movie? Scene #1 (in jet plane): Howard plays adult to RDJ's child. Scene #2 (in hangar): Howard tells RDJ to stop being immature & to get back to work on making weapons. Scene #3 (in command center): Howard ignores RDJ's b.s. & tells him that he's gonna shoot down whatever it is that's flying over Gomira. Where is this whiney spinelessness? I'm watching the movie right now & I sure can't find it. All I remember from IM2 is that Cheadle spent the entire duration of the film trying to act like a tough AIR FORCE Colonel. Not sure Favreau intended it to be comical.

[antovolk]

@RealIrOnMaN The MovieFest official Twitter just confirmed the existence of the 3D trailer: @movies_ie: The Avengers 3D trailer just arrived at Cineworld for #MovieFest - the projection booth is a busy place today!
http://twitter.com/movies_ie/status/102009604472451073

[Dr Lee]

so is it the Cap teaser or a new trailer?

[antovolk]

so is it the Cap teaser or a new trailer?
No clue yet. My money's on it being a post-converted 3D Cap teaser. Too soon for an full trailer (only 4 weeks after debut with Cap)

[Dr Lee]

seeing as they haven't really revealed the Cap teaser... they could decide to tweak it with new footage.....

[antovolk]

Surprising how NO-ONE from MARVEL/Avengers crew is tweeting about this. Maybe they're preparing an online/theatrical (in front of newly released films like Conan) release this weekend?

[steintym]

I'm guessing it is probably the teaser from Cap, but that would be so cool if some additional footage was added.

[Iceman]

The one thing I'm not looking forward to are the plasma weapons SHIELD agents are said to have in the film. I'm guessing they'll be just like the Hydra weapons from Cap, which I hated.They'll probably feel more appropriate in modern day than they did in World War II times at least.

[Rock Sexton]

I liked Cheadles' Rhodey the same way I liked Maggie G as Rachel Dawes, it was fine casting but just jarring having to adjust to a new actor.

Just out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Norton/Ruffalo?

[Triad]

I feel compelled to throw my "two cents" into the Cheadle/Howard debate:
I'm with Alexei on this one. While Cheadle is a proven excellent actor, I still think that Howard was a better Rhodes. As much as I like Cheadle as an actor, I just never was totally convinced that he fit the character...I did not have that problem with T.Howard in IM1.
I understand why and agree with Marvel's decision to let Howard go. When it was announced, even I thought that Cheadle was a great idea as his replacement, but IMHO he just didn't work in the final film. I still love IM2 and Cheadle as an actor, but it still doesn't change that I feel he was miscast.
This opinion is not solely based on the fact that most times I ABSOLUTELY HATE recasts, it is a matter of whether he sold himself as the established character. I don't feel that he did this time. That lack of believability was detracting to me and hindered my immersion into the film at times.
When all is said and done we must do as he says and "deal with it and move on", but I am still of the opinion that they might have casted Rhodey better. Not with a better actor, but with a more fitting characterization.

I feel the same way with Holmes/Gyllenhall in the Nolan Bat-films. I like Gyllenhall normally, but I just didn't believe her as a tough assistant D.A.
Her cross-examination of Falconi was a hard sell for me and ultimately I don't think she pulled it off. I'm not entirely sure that Holmes would have been much better, but at least I think she would be a more convincing hard-hitting, passionate b***h. Just my opinion.

While I have high expectations for Ruffalo as Banner in The Avengers, (because I really like the guy in his past films) I am also afraid that he MIGHT have the same problem as the others.
Norton is a tough act to follow as the tormented scientist on the run. Also I feel that Banner should be a little skinnier than Ruffalo, but that's just a personal preference. We shall see though...

[misjuevos]

on the topic of terrence howard i never liked him as rhodey. his eyes seem to be watery at all times. he always looks on the verge of tears. every time i see him in a movie i wait for the crying scene, seems like he is holding back tears the whole movie.

[Blackman]

Im in the Howard's Rhodey>>>>Cheadle's
But on the whole: Cheadle's acting>>>>Howards


I just rewatched IM2 two days ago. I just think that Cheadle didnt have as good of chemistry with the cast that Howard had

[Rock Sexton]

on the topic of terrence howard i never liked him as rhodey. his eyes seem to be watery at all times. he always looks on the verge of tears. every time i see him in a movie i wait for the crying scene, seems like he is holding back tears the whole movie.

Hahah ... same .... something very feminine about him.

[Triad]

Hahah ... same .... something very feminine about him.
Agreed.

[BobbyCorwin88]

3D conversion was expected (though unwelcome). I miss being able to watch the MCU movies in non-3D IMAX screens.
^^THIS!

I hate how Hollywood just up and decided to throw the beauty of IMAX to the wayside just to boost sales with 3D. I feel like a lot of people don't understand that IMAX truly does enhance the quality and overall presentation of a film. IMAX is a true step forward and 3D is three steps back. It detracts from the experience and makes it difficult to watch. The only 3D movie I forced myself to go and see was Tron, and only because it made sense that a movie like that would have a 3D element to it. But overall, it didn't add to the experience, it was just distracting. The visuals in that film speak for themselves and don't really need any kind of "boost" from a 3D presentation. If I could have seen it in IMAX I'd be one happy camper.

Kudos to Chris Nolan and JJ Abrams for releasing their films in IMAX only. I can't tell you how many movies I've wanted to see in IMAX but can't because 3D is plastered all over it.

[Raiden]

I feel compelled to throw my "two cents" Cheadle/Howard debate:
I'm with Alexei on this one. While Cheadle is a proven excellent actor, I still think that Howard was a better Rhodes. As much as I like Cheadle as an actor, I just never was convinced that he fit the character...I did not have that problem with T.Howard in IM1.
I understand why and agree with Marvel's decision to let Howard go. When it was announced, even I thought that Cheadle was a great idea as his replacement, but IMHO, he just didn't fit in the film. I still love IM2 and Cheadle as an actor, but it still doesn't change that I feel that he was miscast.
This opinion is not solely based on the fact that most times I ABSOLUTELY HATE recasts, it is a matter of whether he sold himself as the established character. I had trouble with it and that lack of believability was detracting to me and hindered my immersion into the film at times.
When all is said and done we must do as he says and "deal with it and move on", but I am still of the opinion that they might have casted better.

Also, as far as the Holmes/Gyllenhall debate, I feel the same way. I like Gyllenhall normally, but I didn't believe her as a tough assistant D.A. Her cross-examination of Falconi was a hard sell for me. I'm not entirely sure that Holmes would have been much better, but at least I think she would be a more convincing b***h. Just my opinion.

And while I have high expectations for Ruffalo as Banner in The Avengers, because I really like the guy in his past films, I am also afraid that he MIGHT have the same problem. Norton is a tough act to follow as the tormented scientist on the run. We shall see...

I agree with you on Cheadle as Rhodey. Yes, Terrence Howard does have a "whiny" voice, but he was terrific playing off RDJ's Stark, and he has a light personality who can deliver one-liner very well (like his "Next time, baby" after he saw Mark II). Cheadle just seems like someone who sucks the charisma out of the room, and even though he was supposed to be the "straight man" and has RDJ bounces jokes off him, these two didn't have much chemistry together. I understand the reason why Marvel recast Rhodey, but there were other African-American actors that I felt could've done a better job.

As for Rachel Dawes, I actually thought Maggie Gyllenhall came off as a better Dawes, even though Katie Holmes is more attractive. Dawes was an assistant DA, and Holmes would've had a harder time convincing me that she is one. However, I think the perfect Rachel Dawes would've been Marion Cotillard, but BB was made before La Vie En Rose came out. At least she's Talia Winters now.

[Triad]

Marion Cotillard as Dawes? Hmmmmm...I like it!
I was thinking of someone more along the lines of Laura Linney in Primal Fear.

[WildcatNC]

Just out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Norton/Ruffalo?

I do personally. I really like Ruffalol, first saw him in Brothers Bloom. I would have been happy if he had been cast originally and kept. I just hate recasts of major characters, really takes me out of the story at times. I would have been happy with Norton or Ruffalol, I just with they had got and stuck with one.


Hahah ... same .... something very feminine about him.


I agree. I like Howard in certain roles, but I never bought him as a military man, let alone a higher up.

While I agree that Cheadle is short, he sold me on the military man presence and was a better Rhodey imo.

[antovolk]

Just thought that I wanted to share this idea for an extended theatrical teaser that they might show tomorrow...basically recapping all the post-credits scenes and then kicking off into the teaser at the end of Cap...rough edit, could have been better, I know :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPoyV8bulw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPoyV8bulw if embed doesn't work

I missed the scene from The Incredible Hulk, sorry :/

[Blackman]

I do personally. I really like Ruffalol, first saw him in Brothers Bloom. I would have been happy if he had been cast originally and kept. I just hate recasts of major characters, really takes me out of the story at times. I would have been happy with Norton or Ruffalol, I just with they had got and stuck with one.

Agreed

[Stringer]

Im in the Howard's Rhodey>>>>Cheadle's
But on the whole: Cheadle's acting>>>>Howards


I just rewatched IM2 two days ago. I just think that Cheadle didnt have as good of chemistry with the cast that Howard had
This is what it comes down to really. Cheadle can play a tough guy no problem but he just didn't fit in with the cast of IM2.

[steintym]

Personally, I really didn't care for Howard or Cheadle in the Rhodey role. I really didn't think either of them nailed the character or fit the role. If I had to go with one, it probably would be Cheadle, though.

[Spider-Fan]

Don Cheadle is the size of Tom Cruise. That's almost a whole foot shorter than Howard. He's an actor that excels primarily in comedic roles, not at all an action man. Hell, I laughed when he got all tough at Tony's b-day party.

But, he had a commanding presence. Something Howard never did EVER. In the Senate, the B-day party, I bought Cheadle as a military man. Howard, I can't. He's too whimpy.


Were we watching the same movie? Scene #1 (in jet plane): Howard plays adult to RDJ's child. Scene #2 (in hangar): Howard tells RDJ to stop being immature & to get back to work on making weapons. Scene #3 (in command center): Howard ignores RDJ's b.s. & tells him that he's gonna shoot down whatever it is that's flying over Gomira. Where is this whiney spinelessness? I'm watching the movie right now & I sure can't find it. All I remember from IM2 is that Cheadle spent the entire duration of the film trying to act like a tough AIR FORCE Colonel. Not sure Favreau intended it to be comical.

He was whiney and spineless all film. He says something, Tony does something else, he whines about it. Not commanding in the least.

[Iceman]

War Machine could be good in a future Avengers film, maybe Avengers 3 when all the **** hits the fan.

[Avenger]

But, he had a commanding presence. Something Howard never did EVER. In the Senate, the B-day party, I bought Cheadle as a military man. Howard, I can't. He's too whimpy.I completely agree. And besides, you don't need to be physically imposing when you're a guy in an armored combat suit.

EDIT: I do like the idea of Blair Underwood as Rhodey, though.

[Triad]

Just thought that I wanted to share this idea for an extended theatrical teaser that they might show tomorrow...basically recapping all the post-credits scenes and then kicking off into the teaser at the end of Cap...rough edit, could have been better, I know :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPoyV8bulw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPoyV8bulw if embed doesn't work

I missed the scene from The Incredible Hulk, sorry :/

That was AWESOME antovolk! Thanks for posting!

[Triad]

I do like the idea of Blair Underwood as Rhodey, though.

Me too!

[Blackman]

Sh** that actually wouldve been pretty good

[Triad]

Yeah, too bad they didn't go for him in IM2! I'll bet I would have been more onboard with the recast then!
Imagine Underwood and RDJ's chemistry together...
(I doubt that Underwood would have been able to fit in a suit originally designed for someone RDJ's size, though!)

[Iron_Stark]

Though in a way, it's somewhat of a relief that he's not in the film since I've read many stating on how it might take off the uniqueness of Iron Man being on the team if there were two men who wore Iron Suits.

Agreed, he already took the uniqueness away from Tony in the second film and made it seem like anyone could pilot the armor. He also took away from the villains.

There's no need for him in this movie or anyother future Iron Man movies.

A quick comment or reference would suffice.

[Wolvieboy17]

Just out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Norton/Ruffalo?

Well it's hard to say so far without having seen the Ruffster as Banner yet, but I think Hulk has the advantage of being instantly iconic one he transforms, which I'm sure will help the transition. I though Norton was the best Banner we've had yet, but I still feel like we could get someone who is more perfect for the role and I must admit, the fact that Whedon admitted Ruffallo was the ONLY person he ever wanted to play Banner, it definitely has me intrigued into how he'll play the role. He's an incredibly underrated actor, in the Sam Rockwell camp for 'Actors who should be in more things" :P

[Blackman]

Speaking of Rockwell I hope he returns for IM3. He was so misused in IM2, in my opinion, but he was still good in the role

[flickchick85]

It's a shame Idris Elba is already a character in the MCU, because I can just imagine him having amazing chemistry with RDJ (either as Rhodey or especially as some other Avenger). I loved him as Heimdall, but honestly, that was kind of a waste of a great leading man, imo.

[Blackman]

It's a shame Idris Elba is already a character in the MCU, because I can just imagine him having amazing chemistry with RDJ (either as Rhodey or especially as some other Avenger). I loved him as Heimdall, but honestly, that was kind of a waste of a great leading man, imo.

I really agree with this. He was good in his role, but really Elba couldve been a great BP or some larger role.

[PWN3R]

He could have been a great Falcon for Cap.

[SterlingArcher]

I really agree with this. He was good in his role, but really Elba couldve been a great BP or some larger role.

who's to say he still cant ... I mean Heimdall isnt leaving the bifrost and always has his helmet on I think he can still play another role in the MCU :up:

[SterlingArcher]

Lmao Idras Is A Great Black Actor he can play almost every character black character in Marvel

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, too bad they didn't go for him in IM2! I'll bet I would have been more onboard with the recast then!
Imagine Underwood and RDJ's chemistry together...
(I doubt that Underwood would have been able to fit in a suit originally designed for someone RDJ's size, though!)

How tall is Underwood? I'm sure they would've managed though. The actors aren't even wearing the full suits most of the time but these motion capture suits with markers, and just a few other parts (helmets, gloves perhaps). The rest of the suit is mostly CGI.

Comic Rhodey was also more of a ladies man. Underwood has the personality of comic Rhodey, and the physical appearance, and could easily look like a military man. Many of comic Rhodey's qualities have been "given" to Stark in the movies (his laid back approach, his humour etc) mainly because RDJ already possesses those.

Still, they didn't need someone to be such a straight man as they had in either Howard or Cheadle. I think it still would've worked very well with Underwood and Downey Jr, and the chemistry would've been even greater.

The following images show how he could've handled any aspect of the role better than Howard or Cheadle:

You want commanding presence?

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/underwood-event-oval-office-570x301.jpg

Believable military man?

http://image.qpicture.com/image/b/artist-blair-underwood/blair-underwood-167480.jpg

Classic Rhodey?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01493/Blair_Underwood_1493671c.jpg

Smooth, ladies man Rhodey?

http://static.oprah.com/images/200811/omag/200811_omag_blair-underwood_220x312.jpg

Stark Enterprises pilot Rhodey?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/BlairUnderwoodApr09.jpg/220px-BlairUnderwoodApr09.jpg

[Avenger]

Blair Underwood is 5'11". Downey is around 5'9", I believe. Cheadle is also 5'9", and Terrence Howard is 6'.

[Blackman]

How tall is Underwood? I'm sure they would've managed though. The actors aren't even wearing the full suits most of the time but these motion capture suits with markers, and just a few other parts (helmets, gloves perhaps). The rest of the suit is mostly CGI.

Comic Rhodey was also more of a ladies man. Underwood has the personality of comic Rhodey, and the physical appearance, and could easily look like a military man. Many of comic Rhodey's qualities have been "given" to Stark in the movies (his laid back approach, his humour etc) mainly because RDJ already possesses those.

Still, they didn't need someone to be such a straight man as they had in either Howard or Cheadle. I think it still would've worked very well with Underwood and Downey Jr, and the chemistry would've been even greater.

The following images show how he could've handled any aspect of the role better than Howard or Cheadle:

You want commanding presence?

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/underwood-event-oval-office-570x301.jpg

Believable military man?

http://image.qpicture.com/image/b/artist-blair-underwood/blair-underwood-167480.jpg

Classic Rhodey?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01493/Blair_Underwood_1493671c.jpg

Smooth, ladies man Rhodey?

http://static.oprah.com/images/200811/omag/200811_omag_blair-underwood_220x312.jpg

Stark Enterprises pilot Rhodey?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/BlairUnderwoodApr09.jpg/220px-BlairUnderwoodApr09.jpg

Lol for some reason that picture break down of Underwood as Rhodey made me laugh

[steintym]

I never gave him much consideration, but Underwood does look the part. Damn missed opportunity.

[Blackman]

Underwood wouldve been good. They shouldve cast him from the beginning

But as far as a replacement I kinda wish after Howard they went with Cuba Gooding Jr.

[Dark Raven]

Lol for some reason that picture break down of Underwood as Rhodey made me laugh

I forgot to add these clips:

Strong, manly voice unlike Terrence Howard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZHry5EfahY

Underwood's acting range and diversity (there's even a military clip at the end of the compilation with Samuel L Jackson):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0at4xMviabI

[Triad]

Underwood wouldve been good. They shouldve cast him from the beginning

But as far as a replacement I kinda wish after Howard they went with Cuba Gooding Jr.
I could have gotten behind that. I've always liked CGJ. Lord knows the poor guy could use a good movie franchise for a change!

[Blackman]

Yeah the same way IM put RDJ back on top, IM2 couldve helped CGJ.

I really hope that guy gets something good soon. Hopefully that's Red Tails

[Stringer]

Underwood wouldve been good. They shouldve cast him from the beginning

But as far as a replacement I kinda wish after Howard they went with Cuba Gooding Jr.
As if Cuba would really take on a role in anything beside a straight to DVD movie.:o

[Parker Wayne]

But, he had a commanding presence. Something Howard never did EVER. In the Senate, the B-day party, I bought Cheadle as a military man. Howard, I can't. He's too whimpy.


He was whiney and spineless all film. He says something, Tony does something else, he whines about it. Not commanding in the least.

Both of these. Cheadle's Rhodey just plain took less crap from Stark, and like I said, their chemistry was way better.

Honestly, does their banter between each other in the drone fight and after really compare to any scene between Howard and RDJ in IM1?

[Rock Sexton]

Well it's hard to say so far without having seen the Ruffster as Banner yet, but I think Hulk has the advantage of being instantly iconic one he transforms, which I'm sure will help the transition. I though Norton was the best Banner we've had yet, but I still feel like we could get someone who is more perfect for the role and I must admit, the fact that Whedon admitted Ruffallo was the ONLY person he ever wanted to play Banner, it definitely has me intrigued into how he'll play the role. He's an incredibly underrated actor, in the Sam Rockwell camp for 'Actors who should be in more things" :P

Strange to me.

It's jarring to you when Howard is switched to Cheadle, but you need a wait and see for Ruffalo. How does that work exactly? In your example you even said the replacement in Batman for Dawes was fine acting-wise, but the actual switch is what made it jarring. So even if Ruffalo is fine, how will it not be?

[Parker Wayne]

Both of these. Cheadle's Rhodey just plain took less crap from Stark, and like I said, their chemistry was way better.

Honestly, does their banter between each other in the drone fight and after really compare to any scene between Howard and RDJ in IM1?

With all of that said, I still think Underwood would have been best.

[Alexei Belyakov]

But, he had a commanding presence. Something Howard never did EVER. In the Senate, the B-day party, I bought Cheadle as a military man. Howard, I can't. He's too whimpy. You know, commanding doesn't mean crossing your arms in a hangar & saying "All of it." or telling a bunch of people at a party to leave in a "tough" voice. Not to mention, weighing 160 lbs won't exactly sell you as menacing. And Terrence Howard whimpy? No way. He was whiney and spineless all film. He says something, Tony does something else, he whines about it. Not commanding in the least We're just gonna have to agree to dissagree. Howard spent the whole movie countering RDJ's crap. I don't see it as "whining" in the least. The fact that Cheadle had an actual sequence in IM2 where he actually fights RDJ victoriously, doesn't make him commanding & deem Howard whiney. Also, if Terrence Howard ever went toe to toe with Don Cheadle, Cheadle would be in serious trouble.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I was so glad Howard was out. I couldn't stand listening to that nasally, whiny voice of his.

[Dark Raven]

You know, commanding doesn't mean crossing your arms in a hangar & saying "All of it." or telling a bunch of people at a party to leave in a "tough" voice. Not to mention, weighing 160 lbs won't exactly sell you as menacing. And Terrence Howard whimpy? No way. We're just gonna have to agree to dissagree. Howard spent the whole movie countering RDJ's crap. I don't see it as "whining" in the least. The fact that Cheadle had an actual sequence in IM2 where he actually fights RDJ victoriously, doesn't make him commanding & deem Howard whiney. Also, if Terrence Howard ever went toe to toe with Don Cheadle, Cheadle would be in serious trouble.

Whether Howard countered anything of RDJ's, his delivery of each scene made him seem whiney. His high pitched, girly voice always sounds a bit emotional, as if his voice is about to crack because he's getting upset. He doesn't come across as someone who sounds confident. His countering was more like pleading and protesting, like a nagging wife telling her husband that he still hasn't taken out the trash even though she's been telling him for days, or that her husband is ignoring her emotional needs.

I don't think Cheadle was suitable either, but Howard definitely was whiney.

[Raiden]

Speaking of Rockwell I hope he returns for IM3. He was so misused in IM2, in my opinion, but he was still good in the role

If they bring Rockwell back as Justin Hammer, I hope they'll make him into a worthy adversary for Tony Stark. Rockwell is a fine actor, but his character had no credibility whatsoever in IM2, because he was neither a genius nor a mastermind, and got played by Varko and belittled by Stark throughout the movie.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Downey is around 5'9", I believe. Cheadle is also 5'9", and Terrence Howard is 6'. RDJ is about 5'5". The guy wears [giant] lifts in the IM movies. Watch U.S. Marshalls & he's actually as short as Wesley Snipes & Joe Pantoliano. Cheadle is 5'6" which is Tom Cruise's height. He's about an inch shorter than Mark Wahlberg (whom I've met) which is 5'7". Watch Boogie Nights & Traffic. Wahlberg & Luis Guzman are both 5'7" and have lots of scenes with Cheadle. These are all pretty short guys. Terrence Howard on the other hand is 6'2". Just watch Hustle & Flow where he towers over DJ Qualls & Anthony Anderson which are both in the 6 ft. range.

[Blackman]

If they bring Rockwell back as Justin Hammer, I hope they'll make him into a worthy adversary for Tony Stark. Rockwell is a fine actor, but his character had no credibility whatsoever in IM2, because he was neither a genius nor a mastermind, and got played by Varko and belittled by Stark throughout the movie.

Exactly

[Alexei Belyakov]

Whether Howard countered anything of RDJ's, his delivery of each scene made him seem whiney. His high pitched, girly voice always sounds a bit emotional, as if his voice is about to crack because he's getting upset. He doesn't come across as someone who sounds confident. His countering was more like pleading and protesting, like a nagging wife telling her husband that he still hasn't taken out the trash even though she's been telling him for days, or that her husband is ignoring her emotional needs.

I don't think Cheadle was suitable either, but Howard definitely was whiney. Ironically, Howard's voice is what's taken him far in the business. He's like Mickey Rourke in the 80s, soft-spoken & attractive yet a poster boy for testosterone. I don't think disliking Howard's voice is a valid reason to deem him whimpy or whiney. Mickey sounded just the same back in the day & was still the most feared man in Hollywood. Another example is Alex Skarsgard. Soft-spoken but menacing.

[BigThor]

RDJ is about 5'5". The guy wears [giant] lifts in the IM movies. Watch U.S. Marshalls & he's actually as short as Wesley Snipes & Joe Pantoliano. Cheadle is 5'6" which is Tom Cruise's height. He's about an inch shorter than Mark Wahlberg (whom I've met) which is 5'7". Watch Boogie Nights & Traffic. Wahlberg & Luis Guzman are both 5'7" and have lots of scenes with Cheadle. These are all pretty short guys. Terrence Howard on the other hand is 6'2". Just watch Hustle & Flow where he towers over DJ Qualls & Anthony Anderson which are both in the 6 ft. range.

Who's to say you have to be "tall" to be tough or commanding?

What is this grade school?

[Alexei Belyakov]

Who's to say you have to be "tall" to be tough or commanding? What is this grade school? Would you want a 5'6" Thor? Or a 5'5" Cap? ; ) I agree that there are some short cinematic badasses (Harvey Keitel, Joe Pesci, Mel Gibson, etc...) but in this particular case in the MCU, they went from a 6'2" Rhodey to a 5'6" Rhodey. That's a pretty drastic change. Its like if they recast Hemsworth & got a guy a foot shorter. I just can't help but notice.

[Triad]

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[Iron_Stark]

RDJ is about 5'5". The guy wears [giant] lifts in the IM movies. Watch U.S. Marshalls & he's actually as short as Wesley Snipes & Joe Pantoliano. Cheadle is 5'6" which is Tom Cruise's height. He's about an inch shorter than Mark Wahlberg (whom I've met) which is 5'7". Watch Boogie Nights & Traffic. Wahlberg & Luis Guzman are both 5'7" and have lots of scenes with Cheadle. These are all pretty short guys. Terrence Howard on the other hand is 6'2". Just watch Hustle & Flow where he towers over DJ Qualls & Anthony Anderson which are both in the 6 ft. range.

RDJ is no 5'5". He's 5'8". He wears 3" lifts to get to 5'11" or 6'. Look at the casino scene in IM1 he was almost as tall as Howard.

Look at last years SDCC picture with all of the stars on stage, he's about Renner's height.

[Spider-Vader]

I liked how Cheadle more than Howard too. I think he fits Rhodey better. Cheadle looks more like him, acted more like him & like Spider-Fan said he felt more like a military man. I hope Marvel atleast mentions War Machine in the movie. It'd be stupid to introduce him & not even mention him when the world is coming to an end.

[Alexei Belyakov]

RDJ is no 5'5". He's 5'8". He wears 3" lifts to get to 5'11" or 6'. Look at the casino scene in IM1 he was almost as tall as Howard. Look at last year's SDCC picture with all of the stars on stage, he's about Renner's height. He was nowhere near Howard's height in that scene or any scene & Jeremy Renner is just as short. Watch The Assassination of Jesse James. He's shorter than Casey Affleck. Watch the trailer for Mission Impossible 4, he's about the same height as Tom Cruise. RDJ can't be taller than 5'5" because he's eye to eye with Wesley Snipes in US Marshalls & Snipes isn't wearing lifts. The best example of how short RDJ is, is the movie Black & White. Brooke Shields who is 5'11", looks like a giant next to him.

[shuffleboard]

As someone who has actually met Downey at a premiere, the guy's around 5'8"-ish and wears thick-soled shoes to look taller than 5'8". I'm a girl who's 5'5" and he's taller than me, trust me on that.

Since when has the Avengers news thread been more about pettiness and less about news?

[Parker Wayne]

Since AB keeps making it a useless point.

[Gamma Burst]

Since AB keeps making it a useless point.

This.:woot:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I REALLY wish it was next weekend right now.

[herolee10]

I REALLY wish it was next weekend right now.

I'll add to that and say that I REALLY REALLY wish it was May 4, 2012 right now.lol

[Alexei Belyakov]

Since AB keeps making it a useless point. Sighs. Parker Wayne, why is it that you feel like you need to dump all over an argument you haven't been a part of from the moment it started? We've been discussing actors' heights in perfect acord until you had to walk in here and fill me with your expected rudeness (that for some reason Odinson seems to agree with). Do you get a kick out of being this way? If you got nothing to say regarding the debate at hand, try not saying anything at all. Some people don't come here to start arguments.

[Spider-Fan]

You know, commanding doesn't mean crossing your arms in a hangar & saying "All of it." or telling a bunch of people at a party to leave in a "tough" voice. Not to mention, weighing 160 lbs won't exactly sell you as menacing. And Terrence Howard whimpy? No way. We're just gonna have to agree to dissagree. Howard spent the whole movie countering RDJ's crap. I don't see it as "whining" in the least. The fact that Cheadle had an actual sequence in IM2 where he actually fights RDJ victoriously, doesn't make him commanding & deem Howard whiney. Also, if Terrence Howard ever went toe to toe with Don Cheadle, Cheadle would be in serious trouble.

Commanding presence means taking control of the room, and Cheadle did that in IM2. He did far more than cross his arms. He didn't take crap. Howard tried arguing with Tony, but was always put down. Heck, when he is talking to Tony after he takes out those people in the Middle East, he gets owned by both Tony AND minor character who was examining the situation. Howard's Rhodey was just weak.

[gmanca]

Is it possible some of the footage cut for the trailer take place in the Quinjet? The seating looks similar.

[0o_Fanboy_o0]

I SO can't wait 4 The Avengers and The Black Panther to come out!

[Parker Wayne]

Sighs. Parker Wayne, why is it that you feel like you need to dump all over an argument you haven't been a part of from the moment it started? We've been discussing actors' heights in perfect acord until you had to walk in here and fill me with your expected rudeness (that for some reason Odinson seems to agree with). Do you get a kick out of being this way? If you got nothing to say regarding the debate at hand, try not saying anything at all. Some people don't come here to start arguments.

I did respond, just not directly to you.

I just think it's silly that you think a shorter guy can't be imposing, it's not like he's a midget or portrayed as really short on film.

I'm just stating my honestly by saying that you talking about the height of Cheadle as a reason for him not being imposing is a silly argument, especially considering that no one except you noticed.