The Natalie Portman/Jane Foster Thread

[CBMovie]

I didn't read any news if she signed a multi film contract like Hemworth.

She also took a semi-retirement from Hollywood this year since she's having a baby, with no date or year of when she'll be coming back to acting.

[04nbod]

She said she signed a contract for more Thor films at Comic-Con but didn't know if she would be asked back. I'm trying to get my head around how they can do it without the character of Jane and still have the storyline work. Not to mention losing the star power of Portman and a character that was very popular (not to mention one of few characters to have any development at all).

I hate recasts but would prefer them to replace her with Lizzy Caplan and just get on with the story if push comes to shove.

I'm also concerned that losing earth loses a big part of Thor's character. Its just as important as Asgard, if not more. We have seen no investment from Thor in this planet beyond his interest in Jane. Are we really going to go off to the realms without solidifying Thor's duty to humanity?

They are in the early part of setting the foundations of the character. To throw that all away to go play with dwarves and norns is odd and it could alienate the regular audience like GL did. It feels like they are rushing into what should be a third or even fourth movie as the second one.

[herolee10]

At this point, the ONLY way that I can see her NOT coming back is if Marvel Studios says so.

I just can't see her NOT coming back given where the first film left off. Both she and Earth are huge factors into Thor's development and to ignore both would just gain Marvel Studios criticism and such.

[J.Howlett]

Well, all that depends on the Avengers. Again, I can't for the life of me understand how Thor can get back to Earth and not seek out Jane in that film.

There has to be a seriously great plausible reason as to why Portman isn't in the Avengers, considering where her character was at the end. I mean, she's working for SHIELD at the end of the film basically to find a way to get to Asgard.

She has to come back.

[Raiden]

I really hope Natalie Portman will be back, but since Thor 2 is scheduled for 2013 and if she intended to stay semi-retired due to her baby, I think Marvel Studios will have no choice but to recast Jane. They already did it for Rhodey and Banner, so I don't think they'll hesitate to do so.

[herolee10]

I really hope Natalie Portman will be back, but since Thor 2 is scheduled for 2013 and if she intended to stay semi-retired due to her baby, I think Marvel Studios will have no choice but to recast Jane. They already did it for Rhodey and Banner, so I don't think they'll hesitate to do so.

The difference between those situations I believe is that Portman is contracted to do several more sequels for Thor I believe, so she is contractually obligated to return.

[Liam_H]

Portman does not have to be in the Avengers, she's the main reason Thor wants to go back to Earth but there is a great threat with Loki and his army to deal with. Its like Banner wouldn't have to go see Betty once he gets on the team even though he wants to.

[04nbod]

Portman does not have to be in the Avengers, she's the main reason Thor wants to go back to Earth but there is a great threat with Loki and his army to deal with. Its like Banner wouldn't have to go see Betty once he gets on the team even though he wants to.


Jane was set up as the one to bring him back at the end of Thor, 'She searches for you'. She was working with Selvig. If he is there where is Jane? She should be in it. A mention is the least they could do.

Natalie isn't semi-retired. She said she admired Audrey Hepburn's decision to quit when she had a family not that she would make that choice herself. She said that she would take each thing as it comes.

I hate recasts but if they have to recast her I'd go with this lady.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0135221/
I'd rather they recast than lose the role completely. Then we'll be stuck with Sif.

[Liam_H]

I actually enjoyed Sif far more than Jane in the movie. Not due to the actresses but because of how they were written. If for some reason Jane doesn't return in Thor 2 I wouldn't be too upset.

[herolee10]

I actually enjoyed Sif far more than Jane in the movie. Not due to the actresses but because of how they were written. If for some reason Jane doesn't return in Thor 2 I wouldn't be too upset.

Lucky you; I wish I had that mentality, so that I wouldn't risk feeling any type of upset if the worst case scenario did happen.lol

Be that as it may, I think, regardless of how people may feel about the character, that Jane's importance to Thor was set up in a big way that it'd be irresponsible to not conclude that cliffhanger; I mean to ignore that part or to just say that they reunited off screen and broke up would be like spitting at the quality and time that they spent in establishing the connection between the two in the first film.

[04nbod]

I actually enjoyed Sif far more than Jane in the movie. Not due to the actresses but because of how they were written. If for some reason Jane doesn't return in Thor 2 I wouldn't be too upset.

I get that people would like the girl with the sword vs the girl with the brain but its not like Sif had any character at all. All we know about her is that she is friends with Thor and is one of the few ladies in Asgard that likes to fight. She has no arc, she has no complexity, she has no dilemmas and Jaimie had no opportunity to show any range. Compare that to how developed Jane was and its not even close as to who is the better character. Jane was the leading lady, she was written as the leading lady. I don't want to lose all that, plus I'm hoping we will get some more of comic Jane's personality in the next one.

Lucky you; I wish I had that mentality, so that I wouldn't risk feeling any type of upset if the worst case scenario did happen.lol

Be that as it may, I think, regardless of how people may feel about the character, that Jane's importance to Thor was set up in a big way that it'd be irresponsible to not conclude that cliffhanger; I mean to ignore that part or to just say that they reunited off screen and broke up would be like spitting at the quality and time that they spent in establishing the connection between the two in the first film.

That would not be acceptable. Neither would Jane conveniently losing her memories, being the victim of Odin's crap or being shown to be less worthy than any other character. I've got my eye on you Marvel. That sexist crap don't fly no more! ;)

[herolee10]

On a purely shallow note; dang, if their kiss in the last film is of any indication as to what a love scene between would be like, then I don't think all of Asgard would be able to contain the amount of heat emitting from that.haha

[Godzilla2000]

As an actress and as a person I really like Natalie Portman in a BFF way. I loved her portrayal of Jane Foster a lot. I don't think that she's consider being in another Thor movie as beneath her status despite winning an Oscar either. I'm sure she'll be back in some capacity in the future, but what I would like is for them to cast Donald Blake and have Jane go back to him. Thor and Sif should be paired up for obvious reasons, but as with the comics Raganarok should come to pass and leave Thor without Sif or Jane. I think it would be interesting to see Thor handle this loss of love with poise through the apparent death of Sif and to Jane by her falling in love with another man. Alternatively it would be interesting to see how Loki would handle things if he were to find love with another woman other than Sigyn, because as I seem to have gleaned from researching the characters in the comics he wasn't overly affectionate towards her. But I'm digressing! If Natalie does check out this forum from time to time, I would like to see her come back down the line when the little tot is old enough. She's such a wonderful person and I'm happy that she has herself a little family to prioritize above anything else!

[04nbod]

As an actress and as a person I really like Natalie Portman in a BFF way. I loved her portrayal of Jane Foster a lot. I don't think that she's consider being in another Thor movie as beneath her status despite winning an Oscar either. I'm sure she'll be back in some capacity in the future, but what I would like is for them to cast Donald Blake and have Jane go back to him. Thor and Sif should be paired up for obvious reasons, but as with the comics Raganarok should come to pass and leave Thor without Sif or Jane. I think it would be interesting to see Thor handle this loss of love with poise through the apparent death of Sif and to Jane by her falling in love with another man. Alternatively it would be interesting to see how Loki would handle things if he were to find love with another woman other than Sigyn, because as I seem to have gleaned from researching the characters in the comics he wasn't overly affectionate towards her. But I'm digressing! If Natalie does check out this forum from time to time, I would like to see her come back down the line when the little tot is old enough. She's such a wonderful person and I'm happy that she has herself a little family to prioritize above anything else!

Donald is Thor and Thor/Sif is a recurring pain in the rear. What are your obvious reasons by the way?

Two reasons Donald is a dead end in the movie-verse:
-Jane was clearly over her ex boyfriend Donald
-Ex Boyfriend Donald was just an excuse to give Thor his secret ID as a joke.

Lets hope they don't deal with Thor/Jane the way the comics did. Write Jane for the benefit of Jane and what works for her character. Both times Jane 'broke up' with Thor it was random and just as excuse to get Thor with Sif. It was never about Jane. Heck, Jane getting married wasn't even about Jane. They broke Thor and Sif up and needed a reason Thor didn't go back to Jane.

Call me crazy but for once can the girl get some love and respect from a writer? We're doing so well, the movie, Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Ultimates vs Ultimate Avengers and The Mighty Avenger have all turned the tide for her. Don't ruin it now.

[Godzilla2000]

Donald is Thor...

In the comics, yes. (Donald's also quite, uh, deceased thanks to Sigyn if my research is right.) In the movie universe I think it's safe to say they are two separate people at this point in time. Of course you should never say never because any good writer could figure out ways of writing out of any kind of situation. The thing that Thor comic book fans have to realize is that the movie universe is a totally different reality than the comic books. Yes, the writers can draw from the comics, but also the movies allow for a bit more freedom from convoluted continuities as well.

[Vartha]

In the comics, yes. (Donald's also quite, uh, deceased thanks to Sigyn if my research is right.) In the movie universe I think it's safe to say they are two separate people at this point in time. Of course you should never say never because any good writer could figure out ways of writing out of any kind of situation. The thing that Thor comic book fans have to realize is that the movie universe is a totally different reality than the comic books. Yes, the writers can draw from the comics, but also the movies allow for a bit more freedom from convoluted continuities as well.
Don is a creation of Odin. The one in the Comics NOW is the original creation of Odin's.
When Odin died in volume 2 the spell that erased Don from everyone's memory and stuck Don in the Void of nonexistance ENDED bringing Don back to this plain.

[Godzilla2000]

Don is a creation of Odin. The one in the Comics NOW is the original creation of Odin's.
When Odin died in volume 2 the spell that erased Don from everyone's memory and stuck Don in the Void of nonexistance ENDED bringing Don back to this plain.

Well, if Odin is God in the movie Universe, aren't all living things his creation now? Sorry but I'm a bit of a Theologist. :oldrazz:

[Vartha]

Well, if Odin is God in the movie Universe, aren't all living things his creation now? Sorry but I'm a bit of a Theologist. :oldrazz:
well yes and no lol Don wasn't really born compared to other humans is what I'm saying.
Even the Adam and eve of norse belief were "grown".

[04nbod]

In the comics, yes. (Donald's also quite, uh, deceased thanks to Sigyn if my research is right.) In the movie universe I think it's safe to say they are two separate people at this point in time. Of course you should never say never because any good writer could figure out ways of writing out of any kind of situation. The thing that Thor comic book fans have to realize is that the movie universe is a totally different reality than the comic books. Yes, the writers can draw from the comics, but also the movies allow for a bit more freedom from convoluted continuities as well.


All we have is a name. Dr Don Blake, Jane's Ex Boyf may not look like the Don we know at all.

I completely understand the movieverse Thor is different and that's why I asked for your obvious reasons as to why you want Thor/Sif. I think we've all come to terms with the fact Happy and Pepper are not going to happen, Favreau doesn't even look like Happy, Jane's not going to be a Doctor, Odin isn't a malevolent hole and Thor isn't going to get a magic secret ID and practice medicine. They are doing a decent job at streamlining the movieverse into the central, most powerful relationships and tensions in the comics. The next one for Thor is clashing with his father over Jane and her mortality.

As for whether Jane's in Thor 2. The interview on the front page with Stellan seems to confirm her involvement in Thor 2. If Marvel are talking to Stellan's agent about Selvig, then Jane can't be far behind.

[Vartha]

All we have is a name. Dr Don Blake, Jane's Ex Boyf may not look like the Don we know at all.

I completely understand the movieverse Thor is different and that's why I asked for your obvious reasons as to why you want Thor/Sif. I think we've all come to terms with the fact Happy and Pepper are not going to happen, Favreau doesn't even look like Happy, Jane's not going to be a Doctor, Odin isn't a malevolent hole and Thor isn't going to get a magic secret ID and practice medicine. They are doing a decent job at streamlining the movieverse into the central, most powerful relationships and tensions in the comics. The next one for Thor is clashing with his father over Jane and her mortality.

As for whether Jane's in Thor 2. The interview on the front page with Stellan seems to confirm her involvement in Thor 2. If Marvel are talking to Stellan's agent about Selvig, then Jane can't be far behind.
Not to mention if they follow what's been in the Ulty universe, then it is highly likely that the Absence of Balder in the movie as well could mean Blake and Balder are one in the same. :D

[04nbod]

Not to mention if they follow what's been in the Ulty universe, then it is highly likely that the Absence of Balder in the movie as well could mean Blake and Balder are one in the same. :D


DRAMA-RAMA VARTHA!:woot:

[Godzilla2000]

I guess the gist of what I'm trying to say is that the Hero shouldn't always get the girl, and of course Thor would handle it in as decent and mature a way as possible.

[sgaana]

Not to mention if they follow what's been in the Ulty universe, then it is highly likely that the Absence of Balder in the movie as well could mean Blake and Balder are one in the same. :D

I've been hoping for that, really. It would be a neat way to get Balder into the continuity, and perhaps explain why this is a "brother" that Thor never knew he had. (Odin hiding Balder on Earth?)

It would also explain why Don's clothes fit Thor so well, if Don is also secretly Asgardian! :cwink: (It also, when you think about it, says a lot about the fact that Jane has a "type".)

[Godzilla2000]

I've been hoping for that, really. It would be a neat way to get Balder into the continuity, and perhaps explain why this is a "brother" that Thor never knew he had. (Odin hiding Balder on Earth?)

It would also explain why Don's clothes fit Thor so well, if Don is also secretly Asgardian! :cwink: (It also, when you think about it, says a lot about the fact that Jane has a "type".)

Plus how would Loki react to finding out that Thor has a legitimate younger brother and that he'll be even more unimportant to Odin in the scheme of things what with him being just the offspring of a Frost Giant king whom Odin adopted. Talk about feeling even more insignificant than he already does. Really, it makes you side more with Loki considering all that Odin should have done and should have told him about his lineage. I'm betting that Odin never complimented Loki on his mastery of magic, instead focusing on Thor's physical abilities when what Odin should have done was praise Loki and try to get him to use his magic for good. But I'm just letting my imagination get carried away again!

[TheCorpulent1]

Not to mention if they follow what's been in the Ulty universe, then it is highly likely that the Absence of Balder in the movie as well could mean Blake and Balder are one in the same. :D
What, now? That's idiotic. :huh:

[sgaana]

Corp -- yeah, in the Ultimates universe, Donald Blake shows up in the recent Thor mini-series as a psychiatrist brought in to try to determine whether Thor (when he first starts the program with Dr. Braddock) is nuts or not; after Thor starts in on the whole, "yeah, I'm *actually* Thor" thing, I mean. It's revealed through the mini that just as Thor was... I don't know, reborn on Earth or manifested on Earth as a mortal who didn't know he was Thor until reaching adulthood, the same thing happened to Balder, who became Don Blake.

Which in the Ultimates verse makes sense, I guess, as they had long ago established that Thor's mortal identity wasn't Don Blake.

Not to say the MCU will necessarily follow this. They seem to pick and choose what they want to incorporate from both 616 and Ultimates. Just that, since they have already established that MCU Don Blake exists separately from MCU Thor, they could do something along similar lines.

Plus how would Loki react to finding out that Thor has a legitimate younger brother and that he'll be even more unimportant to Odin in the scheme of things what with him being just the offspring of a Frost Giant king whom Odin adopted. Talk about feeling even more insignificant than he already does. Really, it makes you side more with Loki considering all that Odin should have done and should have told him about his lineage. I'm betting that Odin never complimented Loki on his mastery of magic, instead focusing on Thor's physical abilities when what Odin should have done was praise Loki and try to get him to use his magic for good. But I'm just letting my imagination get carried away again!

Oh, I agree. You know, for a guy who gave up one of his eyes in order to gain knowledge and wisdom, you'd think Odin would have been smarter about that whole thing. :cwink: I don't think there was anything wrong with his idea of, "raise this Jotun baby and make him a friend of the Aesir, so that sometime later, we can help install him as a friendly King of the Jotuns". It was the "then not telling Loki about it until his hand was forced" thing. That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that that was more likely to make Loki resentful than a good ally king. As you say, for that plan to work, he should have told Loki in late childhood and then praised him for developing along lines that would make him a good Jotun king.

I almost feel bad for Odin, because it more strongly seems like Hand of the Author stuff. That is, that he didn't do the smart thing because the overall story depended on it, not because it made sense or was in character for him to act that way. If he hadn't been stupid about it, we wouldn't have a story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, I'm really hoping they don't follow that in the movies. It's sad that the height of 'creativity' in the Ultimate line is just swapping characters' identities. :facepalm:

[04nbod]

I guess the gist of what I'm trying to say is that the Hero shouldn't always get the girl, and of course Thor would handle it in as decent and mature a way as possible.

That's already been done with Rachel Dawes though. We need to want them to succeed and if they are seperated pity them. I don't think we pity anyone if one of the characters randomly hooks up with someone else and even worse if Thor then just accepts it and starts on one of his friends.

I've always thought the best way to show Thor's growing humility is through his rejection of the idea Gods and Mortals have a heirarchical relationship. For Thor to say that this amazing but average girl is just as good as any goddess is showing his maturity. The tension never comes from a stupid love triangle, it comes from Odin and their differences. That is what makes it pretty unique in Superhero romances. By having Odin as this outside force trying to tear them apart we want them to stay together. To use Sif there would damage her character.Do we really want to go Team Jane vs Team Sif?

All of this should be left for the third though. The second has to be about Thor and Jane setting up a growing relationship on solid footing. We know they are interested in each other but we have to get to the point where they never want to be apart.

[herolee10]

Imho, regardless if whether he ultimately ends up with Jane or not, what's important right now is that they conclude the cliffhanger set between Thor and Jane at the end of "Thor".

[mclay18]

I don't think that she's consider being in another Thor movie as beneath her status despite winning an Oscar either.

Yeah. I didn't hear a lot of people questioning whether Gwyneth Paltrow would return as Pepper in Iron Man 2 around May 2008 -- and like Portman, she too is an Oscar-winner and mother. I'm sure they can schedule Portman's scenes around her family if she requests.

As long as Portman likes the script and gets along with the director and producers, I don't think her return is a non-issue. I don't want to jinx it, but I pray she returns. She and Hemsworth were the best thing about Thor, and there'd be a hole in my heart if she was recast or written out for the sequel.

[herolee10]

Yeah. I didn't hear a lot of people questioning whether Gwyneth Paltrow would return as Pepper in Iron Man 2 around May 2008 -- and like Portman, she too is an Oscar-winner and mother. I'm sure they can schedule Portman's scenes around her family if she requests.

As long as Portman likes the script and gets along with the director and producers, I don't think her return is a non-issue. I don't want to jinx it, but I pray she returns. She and Hemsworth were the best thing about Thor, and there'd be a hole in my heart if she was recast or written out for the sequel.

Well, like others have said, Natalie has a contract for future films, so unless her contract states that she has the choice to NOT return, then I think we're good on that department.

I mean, unlike the Norton and Terrence Howard situation, it's not like Portman was getting paid the most in the film, and there wasn't any report of her being difficult to work with or wanting creative control..so I think we're good.

Plus, she seems to have hit it off in regards to friendship with Hemmsworth, so that's another plus factor.

And really, if she's interested in doing films like "Your Highness" or "No strings attached", then I think Thor 2 wouldn't be considered "beneath" her.haha

[04nbod]

Imho, regardless if whether he ultimately ends up with Jane or not, what's important right now is that they conclude the cliffhanger set between Thor and Jane at the end of "Thor".


I think it has to be thought about because the storyline potentially involves 4 of the characters and could be very damaging if done wrong.

The cliffhanger just needs Jane to return. I think the lack of Jane in The Avengers undermines the cliffhanger the most. What is the point in her search if someone else finds him? What is the point of him wanting to get back if he returns to Asgard immediately when he does return?

Its hard to see what Marvel are up to and I think their poor history with the character in the comics has only added to the sense of worry. How is she going to get screwed over this time?

[herolee10]

I think it has to be thought about because the storyline potentially involves 4 of the characters and could be very damaging if done wrong.

The cliffhanger just needs Jane to return. I think the lack of Jane in The Avengers undermines the cliffhanger the most. What is the point in her search if someone else finds him? What is the point of him wanting to get back if he returns to Asgard immediately when he does return?

Its hard to see what Marvel are up to and I think their poor history with the character in the comics has only added to the sense of worry. How is she going to get screwed over this time?

Well she MAY still be in the film..I mean, she may just have a cameo which could be filmed later on in the year during reshoots.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Sam Jackson claimed he wasn't in Thor at all, but he turned up in the after-credits scene.

[mclay18]

Yeah, Sam Jackson claimed he wasn't in Thor at all, but he turned up in the after-credits scene.

Plus, Natalie's had her kid and slimmed back down. I won't be surprised if they shoot something with her in January or something.

[cherokeesam]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168460-thor-2-plot-details-revealed

"[We're going to] take Thor literally to other worlds," Feige told EW (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/22/monster-director-patty-jenkins-considered-for-thor-2-breaking/%20), "...[It will] primarily be the journey of that character, of he and Jane Foster and how the new dynamic with his father is working out, as well as what are the broader stakes for The Nine Worlds.”


Pretty much confirms Jane Foster is returning.

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't necessarily mean that Natalie Portman's reprising the role, though.

[Liam_H]

It be real annoying if they recast.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I wouldn't mind. Hemsworth and Hiddleston are the only ones I really, absolutely need to see come back. I'd prefer all the original actors, but I think Hemsworth and Hiddleston are the only two who'd really make or break the movie for me.

[Liam_H]

Well of course but I just appreciate continuity...

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[herolee10]

I think Portman will reprise since she's contracted for several films, and her name and attachment to the role would only help sales and it's not like she's demanding the most money from the film or demanding creative controls over her character.

[Sith Scotti]

Yes but they should do all in their power to keep Portman ... This isn't the Katie Hiolmes situation where your likely to find an upgrade .

[InvisibleWoman]

It would be unfortunate if they recast the role... 1. Continuity and 2. I thought Natalie and Chris had great chemistry and it would be a shame not to see them explore that further.

Anyway, I have a feeling that doing Thor 2 may be the perfect way for Natalie to ease her way back into movie making post-baby. It's not the leading role so would probably allow her flexibility schedule-wise and she said that doing NSA and Thor was good for her after the intensity of Black Swan so... I have a feeling that reprising Jane might be appeling to her! *fingers crossed*

[Liam_H]

Portman is not the type of actress to turn down something now that she's won the Oscar. The girl enjoys doing something fun which is what I love about her.

[cherokeesam]

It would be unfortunate if they recast the role... 1. Continuity and 2. I thought Natalie and Chris had great chemistry and it would be a shame not to see them explore that further.

Anyway, I have a feeling that doing Thor 2 may be the perfect way for Natalie to ease her way back into movie making post-baby. It's not the leading role so would probably allow her flexibility schedule-wise and she said that doing NSA and Thor was good for her after the intensity of Black Swan so... I have a feeling that reprising Jane might be appeling to her! *fingers crossed*

As long as it's not particularly physically demanding. It's possible that Feige's recent sketchy comments about Thor 2's story point towards a "Thor 'n' Jane jaunt across the Nine Realms" thing, which could call for a lot of physicality on Jane's part.

Then again, a lot of actresses these days *like* to be physically challenged in roles immediately after having a baby, so who knoweth.

[mclay18]

Phew. Marvel confirmed Natalie will be back for Thor 2.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/toldja-patty-jenkins-confirmed-as-thor-2-director/

Interesting that Tom Hiddleston will return as well.

[herolee10]

Phew. Marvel confirmed Natalie will be back for Thor 2.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/toldja-patty-jenkins-confirmed-as-thor-2-director/

Interesting that Tom Hiddleston will return as well.

Indeed:yay: and now we can go back to wondering (well some of us at least.lol) if she'll cameo in the Avengers.lol

[Rac]

Portman is not the type of actress to turn down something now that she's won the Oscar. The girl enjoys doing something fun which is what I love about her.
She hasn't done anything since she won the Oscar. (Because pregnancy.)

[Liam_H]

Yea I knew that already.

[mclay18]

She hasn't done anything since she won the Oscar. (Because pregnancy.)

Not just the pregnancy thing, she wanted a break in general. She's in a prime place in her career where she's comfortable and able to take time off for herself and her family.

[Gamma Burst]

I'm very happy she'll be back.

[herolee10]

Natalie Portman- Black Swan

Patty Jenkins- Monster



OMG! I got it! We're going to get a hot make out session between Jane and Sif to follow the tradition!:wow::wow::wow::wow::oldrazz:



lol; j/k

[DarknessOfDeath]

^^ Very funny, herolee. I wish :p not.

[JB-the-Hunter]

The way they could fix the Jane issue with the movie taking place mostly in Asgard is to go all Alice in Wonderland with it. Thor is reunited with Jane after the events of the Avengers and she asks his to take her back with him to Asgard. She doesn't really have to be part of all the action, but she could hang around with Frigga I guess.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Here's hoping Rene Russo returns as Frigga. She was good but wasn't in it enough.

[04nbod]

We should change the thread title to the Official Thread for Nat/Jane Foster now its confirmed.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltc9olE6AZ1r4cixoo1_500.jpg

[DarknessOfDeath]

I agree. Change the title. :up:

lol @ pic

[04nbod]

Throg makes everything hilarious

[Budspencer]

basing a new thor film just around her would not be that great since i thought the first film's romance was too convenient and rushed, there was no real challenge in them falling in love, he fell to earth and she started to love him right away which is just ridiculous if you ask me...thor needs to kick some serious behind in the next movie, thats what he needs to do!

[herolee10]

basing a new thor film just around her would not be that great since i thought the first film's romance was too convenient and rushed, there was no real challenge in them falling in love, he fell to earth and she started to love him right away which is just ridiculous if you ask me...thor needs to kick some serious behind in the next movie, thats what he needs to do!

I don't think we'll have to worry about Jane Foster, let alone her romance with Thor, consuming his sequel; and we have to remember that Thor was powerless for a good part of his own film so that somewhat limited as to what he was allowed to do in the first film.

[cherokeesam]

I don't think we'll have to worry about Jane Foster, let alone her romance with Thor, consuming his sequel; and we have to remember that Thor was powerless for a good part of his own film so that somewhat limited as to what he was allowed to do in the first film.


On the other hand, I don't think Marvel sought out (and got) Patty Jenkins just to direct a beat-em-up actioner. I'm sure Thor 2 will have plenty of good ol-fashioned hammer-smashin' and thunder-boltin', but the romance is probably going to be considerably more in-depth than the first movie. And it's likely to get more entangled, involving Sif and possibly even Enchantress (my first bet for primary villain this go-round).

[04nbod]

I'd rather they do it accurately and have the tension come from Odin and not Sif. Although I do think they are missing something if they don't have Odin summon Enchantress to lure Thor away before she snaps and tries to have Jane killed.

I think its kind of funny that people say the romance in the first one was too rushed. We saw that they were attracted to one another and a kiss. We didn't get promises of eternal devotion. I think people expected something bigger in a super-hero movie when they were purposely keeping it low-key.

There were hints that they were something special like when Thor and Jane just stare at each other when she finds him like they've found 'it'. And the chemistry between them was a lot more intimate than the writing. But it was all set up for expansion later on.

I want more of this though:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltfnrsR8xB1r4ckogo1_500.jpg

And I'd also like Nat to cut her hair and I want the scriptwriters to show more of Jane's wit.

[SuperSAINT]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/thor-2-natalie-portman-marvel-patty-jenkins-272978

[TheDragonator]

*waits for Alexei to miss the part where it involves her wanting to be with her kid and only focus on that she's upset because the director was fired*

[cherokeesam]

*waits for Alexei to miss the part where it involves her wanting to be with her kid and only focus on that she's upset because the director was fired*



While the parties spun the Dec. 6 parting (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/thor-2-patty-jenkins-270210) as an amicable split over creative differences, sources say Jenkins was fired without warning from a job that would have made her the first woman to direct a superhero tentpole. The news was out before anyone had told Portman, who had strongly urged Marvel to hire the director of 2003’s Monster (a film that won Charlize Theron her Oscar). According to sources, Portman had begun to question whether she wanted to continue acting at all right now -- possibly for several years -- because she wants to spend time with her baby boy, who was born in June. Portman was said to be re-engaged in Thor 2 because of Jenkins' involvement and especially proud that she would have played a role in opening the door for a woman to direct such a film. The Oscar winner is contractually obligated to stay with the project and Marvel is now said to be working overtime to smooth over the situation by including her in discussions about whom to hire as a replacement.


It's not about her "wanting to be with her kid." She urged them to hire Jenkins; they didn't like Jenkins' approach; they fired her unceremoniously and without warning in favor of a generic Game of Thrones director (any one of many, apparently, will do). Now, Portman is justifiably pissed. I don't think they're going to soothe her ruffled feathers by hiring a GoT director who's probably being commissioned to turn this into a swords-n-sorcery flick.

[Superhero 101]

I don't know why she's so pissed i think she's just overreacting

[mclay18]

I don't know why she's so pissed i think she's just overreacting

Portman was happy to get to work with a good, different director -- and one who did a movie that blew people away. Also try to see it this way: People forget that once celebs have kids, most of them take a couple of years off or cut back on their workload to raise their children. (Like Tobey Maguire, Brangelina and Sarah Michelle Gellar.) That is perfectly fine and expected.

From what the THR says, Portman agreed to have the sequel option excised in her contract once Jenkins came on. From the looks of things, she probably would take some convincing to sign on for Thor 2 if it was anyone else but since it was a well-respected female director, she agreed. But what really riled her was that no one told her or any of the other cast members about Jenkins' removal before the news was made public.

Now since Portman is locked for Thor 2, she's contractually obligated to play Jane -- whether it's a cameo appearance, supporting or leading role. She's not the kind of person who can afford to get sued for tens of millions of dollars, if she stood her ground and said "Since Jenkins is out, I might as well be too!"

[cherokeesam]

Portman was happy to get to work with a good, different director -- and one who did a movie that blew people away. Also try to see it this way: People forget that once celebs have kids, most of them take a couple of years off or cut back on their workload to raise their children. (Like Tobey Maguire, Brangelina and Sarah Michelle Gellar.) That is perfectly fine and expected.

From what the THR says, Portman agreed to have the sequel option excised in her contract once Jenkins came on. From the looks of things, she probably would take some convincing to sign on for Thor 2 if it was anyone else but since it was a well-respected female director, she agreed. But what really riled her was that no one told her or any of the other cast members about Jenkins' removal before the news was made public.

Now since Portman is locked for Thor 2, she's contractually obligated to play Jane -- whether it's a cameo appearance, supporting or leading role. She's not the kind of person who can afford to get sued for tens of millions of dollars, if she stood her ground and said "Since Jenkins is out, I might as well be too!"

Which also means that, if Portman is contractually forced to play a role she doesn't want in a film she doesn't like for a director and a studio she doesn't agree with, you can damn well be sure that whatever role she plays will be phoned in; so you're almost *guaranteed* to have a sh***y performance for Jane Foster, with absolutely none of the chemistry from the previous films.

Seems to me that Marvel would prefer to just replace her, since they didn't have any problem at all replacing Rhodey or Banner.

[herolee10]

Which also means that, if Portman is contractually forced to play a role she doesn't want in a film she doesn't like for a director and a studio she doesn't agree with, you can damn well be sure that whatever role she plays will be phoned in; so you're almost *guaranteed* to have a sh***y performance for Jane Foster, with absolutely none of the chemistry from the previous films.

Seems to me that Marvel would prefer to just replace her, since they didn't have any problem at all replacing Rhodey or Banner.

Well I think the difference here is that neither Howard or Norton were signed on for more films I think after their performances in their previous films, whereas Natalie is already signed on for a sequel... so I'm guessing that Marvel wants to keep her.

Plus, unlike those two, from what I've read, there was no reported issues or tensions between Natalie and the director or the studio during her time filming Thor, whereas with Norton and Howard, there have been reports about some frictions between them and either the director or the studio or both.

[BigThor]

It's not about her "wanting to be with her kid." She urged them to hire Jenkins; they didn't like Jenkins' approach; they fired her unceremoniously and without warning in favor of a generic Game of Thrones director (any one of many, apparently, will do). Now, Portman is justifiably pissed. I don't think they're going to soothe her ruffled feathers by hiring a GoT director who's probably being commissioned to turn this into a swords-n-sorcery flick.

But a film about Thor pretty much should be a sword and sorcery type flick.

[04nbod]

But a film about Thor pretty much should be a sword and sorcery type flick.

They shouldn't approach it like that. It could turn out like Dungeons and Dragons. They need to focus on who can bring out the best in the characters and the dynamics because no one is really going to be an expert in Thor's Sword/Sorcery/Sci-Fi/Super-hero genre. Its not the frost giants that made Thor, it was the character dynamics between the leads.

[cherokeesam]

But a film about Thor pretty much should be a sword and sorcery type flick.


Again, that's where I respectfully disagree.
While writers like JMS have certainly got great mileage out of pushing the story entirely into Asgard and the Nine Realms, it's still an inescapable fact that Thor is a *superhero* and not a *fantasy* hero. That has always kept the character firmly rooted on Earth, in every decade. When you distance him from Earth and humanity, you distance him from his audience. It's harder for GAs to care about what goes on in other realms/dimensions, when the hero is supposed to be a superhero and Avenger who is a protector of mankind.

[batdude]

Portman was happy to get to work with a good, different director -- and one who did a movie that blew people away. Also try to see it this way: People forget that once celebs have kids, most of them take a couple of years off or cut back on their workload to raise their children. (Like Tobey Maguire, Brangelina and Sarah Michelle Gellar.) That is perfectly fine and expected.

From what the THR says, Portman agreed to have the sequel option excised in her contract once Jenkins came on. From the looks of things, she probably would take some convincing to sign on for Thor 2 if it was anyone else but since it was a well-respected female director, she agreed. But what really riled her was that no one told her or any of the other cast members about Jenkins' removal before the news was made public.

Now since Portman is locked for Thor 2, she's contractually obligated to play Jane -- whether it's a cameo appearance, supporting or leading role. She's not the kind of person who can afford to get sued for tens of millions of dollars, if she stood her ground and said "Since Jenkins is out, I might as well be too!" Oh, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to sue. I just question if we really need Portman or just another hot babe for the Enchantess. Is Kat Dennings obligated to return too?

[mclay18]

Well I think the difference here is that neither Howard or Norton were signed on for more films I think after their performances in their previous films, whereas Natalie is already signed on for a sequel... so I'm guessing that Marvel wants to keep her.

Yeah. She said she was signed for three Thor movies.

And it's not as if MS is the only studio that has an ironclad clause. Remember when Emily Blunt was originally hired as Black Widow/Natalie Rushman? She couldn't do both IM-2 and Gulliver's Travels not only because of scheduling conflicts but also because Fox exercised its contract on her to do GT only.

And remember, when J.J. Abrams finally agreed on a script for ST2, Paramount extended and exercised its options on the main cast members so they can't take any other gig during filming.

Oh, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to sue. I just question if we really need Portman or just another hot babe for the Enchantess. Is Kat Dennings obligated to return too?

You'll have to ask Dennings herself. But usually for supporting characters, actors sign a two film contract (one is a sequel option).

[04nbod]

Oh, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to sue. I just question if we really need Portman or just another hot babe for the Enchantess. Is Kat Dennings obligated to return too?

What? Seriously people, what? The sexist crap is just mounting. Women aren't interchangible for your gratification

Again, that's where I respectfully disagree.
While writers like JMS have certainly got great mileage out of pushing the story entirely into Asgard and the Nine Realms, it's still an inescapable fact that Thor is a *superhero* and not a *fantasy* hero. That has always kept the character firmly rooted on Earth, in every decade. When you distance him from Earth and humanity, you distance him from his audience. It's harder for GAs to care about what goes on in other realms/dimensions, when the hero is supposed to be a superhero and Avenger who is a protector of mankind.

That is how I see it too. Distancing him from Earth as always been a problem with writers at Marvel. They really don't want to write the Thor Stan created they want to do Lord of the Rings or something. Every few years you get a writer who reminds everyone what Thor is meant to be like Gerry Conway, Dan Jurgens and JMS.

Even the writers who want to embrace the godly aspect of Thor only seem to concentrate on the physical. He's god of Thunder and god of Strength so Thor is always tested by power. Thor is also god of healing and his mortal form is a Doctor, but that doesnt seem to count because its too normal and requires writing Thor with a brain and they can't have that. He is the son of Earth, protector of the common man and dies defeating the Midgard Serpent but he's hardly ever written with any investment in Earth these days, its always Asgardian power struggles, Asgardian conspiracies and monsters from other realms attacking Asgard.

[Mysteryman]

04nbod,
What are your favorite Story Arcs for Thor?

[DACrowe]

I just heard the controversy over Jenkins and Portman.

I'll admit that I'm biased in that all the Marvel films feel pretty much the same with only IM1 being vastly superior (and IM2 slightly worse) than the rest. It sounds like Patty Jenkins was fired because she was proposing something that was (finally) different. Maybe her ideas were out there, but she has directed an Oscar winning film and probably could have done some interesting things.

But moreover I think that Jane is an important factor for the sequel because of the first movie's ending. Also, Portman brought some fun energy to that movie even if her character was severely underwritten. After losing Favreau, Branagh, Norton, Howard and now Jenkins over "creative differences," losing Portman AFTER she just won an Oscar would look really bad.

I'll be interested in many years from now when people can talk openly about what working at Marvel Studios was like because I've heard Bridges, Skarsgard, Johannson, and Renner grumble about how disorganized it was and they're not even the ones who left (well Bridges was killed off but still....). It would be really interesting to hear what people really think when the MCU is long over.

[KalMart]

What? Seriously people, what? The sexist crap is just mounting. Women aren't interchangible for your gratification
They're not, but the unfortunate thing is that the movie presented a pretty interchangeable character, despite how that poster worded things....so she's easily replaceable.

[04nbod]

04nbod,
What are your favorite Story Arcs for Thor?

The Mighty Avenger, The entire Journey into Mystery era, Gillen's current run on Journey into Mystery (which is Loki but still 'Thor'), Ultimates 1 and 2. Those are the first to pop into my head. I really liked the end of Thor vol. 1 after Ellis left.

They're not, but the unfortunate thing is that the movie presented a pretty interchangeable character, despite how that poster worded things....so she's easily replaceable.

I don't think it actually did. The big theme was grounding magic as Science, without Jane that disappears. Without Jane and her entourage there is no real plot once Thor is banished to Earth, and its only on Earth Thor displays any character at all beyond bloodlust and arrogance. Jane is the only character besides Loki and his father that Thor significantly interacts with. Jane is the everywoman perspective for the viewer, she's the human angle. There is no other character from Thor's history that can fill that role considering they've thrown out the Donald aspect where Thor himself is human and relatable. Jane does more in this movie than even Odin does and has a more nuanced character arc where she has her mind opened to the fact that all these crazy things are possible, that she is right and her theories are going to change the world.

People say she's underwritten and its true which is why I expect more in Thor 2 and not just dropping her and trying to start again from scratch while throwing away everything you have done.

[KalMart]

I don't think it actually did. The big theme was grounding magic as Science, without Jane that disappears. Without Jane and her entourage there is no real plot once Thor is banished to Earth, and its only on Earth Thor displays any character at all beyond bloodlust and arrogance. Jane is the only character besides Loki and his father that Thor significantly interacts with. Jane is the everywoman perspective for the viewer, she's the human angle. There is no other character from Thor's history that can fill that role considering they've thrown out the Donald aspect where Thor himself is human and relatable. Jane does more in this movie than even Odin does and has a more nuanced character arc where she has her mind opened to the fact that all these crazy things are possible, that she is right and her theories are going to change the world.

People say she's underwritten and its true which is why I expect more in Thor 2 and not just dropping her and trying to start again from scratch while throwing away everything you have done.
And her function is done. You could easily have Thor come to Earth again for another purpose entirely, not even mention or see her, and nothing would feel unfinished. Oh...she was a 'love interest'. Right...how memorable was that?

Technically, sure you could point to how important she was in the actual plot, yadda-yadda. How did it feel, though? Was there electricity? Like we have to see where the relationship goes or something will feel lacking? That's why she's interchangeable.

:O

[cronosred]

And her function is done. You could easily have Thor come to Earth again for another purpose entirely, not even mention or see her, and nothing would feel unfinished. Oh...she was a 'love interest'. Right...how memorable was that?

Technically, sure you could point to how important she was in the actual plot, yadda-yadda. How did it feel, though? Was there electricity? Like we have to see where the relationship goes or something will feel lacking? That's why she's interchangeable.

:O

If Jane doesn't return it makes the ending from the first movie pointless.

[herolee10]

And her function is done. You could easily have Thor come to Earth again for another purpose entirely, not even mention or see her, and nothing would feel unfinished. Oh...she was a 'love interest'. Right...how memorable was that?

Technically, sure you could point to how important she was in the actual plot, yadda-yadda. How did it feel, though? Was there electricity? Like we have to see where the relationship goes or something will feel lacking? That's why she's interchangeable.

:O

Granted, I understand if not everyone has a high opinion on Jane's character; be that as it may, I respectfully disagree with that since Jane was designed to be a strong factor in helping Thor learn on how to be humble on Earth, and has been presented as his most intimate tie to Earth; along with the fact that the first film ENDED with Thor pining after Jane and wanting to reunite with her, vice versa.

She may not need to be in Thor 3...but I think it's a must for her to be included in Thor 2 in order to at least conclude their arc together.

Heck, Vicki Vale wasn't that much useful to the first Batman film and she at least got a mention as to why she wasn't in BR in the film.

Be that as it may, Portman IS returning for the Second one at least since she was confirmed to be in it alongside Tom and Chris; with one of the storylines for Thor 2 dealing with the development of Jane's and Thor's relationship.

If Jane doesn't return it makes the ending from the first movie pointless.

She's returning; she was the only one other than Chris and Tom that were CONFIRMED by Marvel Studios to be returning for the sequel when they had announced their official statement regarding "Thor 2". Whether she'll return for "Thor 3" is another question.

[KalMart]

If Jane doesn't return it makes the ending from the first movie pointless.

It's already rather pointless though, aside from him getting back home. All the first movie did was give us a live-action Thor to put into The Avengers movie. Portman was there for marquee value.

Granted, I understand if not everyone has a high opinion on Jane's character; be that as it may, I respectfully disagree with that since Jane was designed to be a strong factor in helping Thor learn on how to be humble on Earth, and has been presented as his most intimate tie to Earth; along with the fact that the first film ENDED with Thor pining after Jane and wanting to reunite with her, vice versa.

She may not need to be in Thor 3...but I think it's a must for her to be included in Thor 2 in order to at least conclude their arc together.

Heck, Vicki Vale wasn't that much useful to the first Batman film and she at least got a mention as to why she wasn't in BR in the film.
One line...and that was more than enough. Also replaceable. There really wasn't much of an arc. Put it this way...Potts and Stark didn't even kiss in the first movie, and you felt there was some electricity you wanted to see again. And it may be more from the actual actors/chemistry than the story....but Thor had neither, even if they did express 'love' to eachother. I mean, most people don't even remember her character's name. Heck...people even remembered 'Vicki Vale' better than....well...Portman's character. :D

Be that as it may, Portman IS returning for the Second one at least since she was confirmed to be in it alongside Tom and Chris; with one of the storylines for Thor 2 dealing with the development of Jane's and Thor's relationship.
Because she's Natalie Portman. :yay:


Not that I dislike the idea of her coming back...never bad to see her in anything, really. But c'mon...they could get another love interest/actress and not skip a beat except for not having Natalie Portman on the poster.

[herolee10]

It's already rather pointless though, aside from him getting back home. All the first movie did was give us a live-action Thor to put into The Avengers movie. Portman was there for marquee value.


One line...and that was more than enough. Also replaceable. There really wasn't much of an arc. Put it this way...Potts and Stark didn't even kiss in the first movie, and you felt there was some electricity you wanted to see again. And it may be more from the actual actors/chemistry than the story....but Thor had neither, even if they did express 'love' to eachother. I mean, most people don't even remember her character's name. Heck...people even remembered 'Vicki Vale' better than....well...Portman's character. :D


Because she's Natalie Portman. :yay:


Not that I dislike the idea of her coming back...never bad to see her in anything, really. But c'mon...they could get another love interest/actress and not skip a beat except for not having Natalie Portman on the poster.

I think if anything, had "Thor" the movie been allowed to be a little bit longer and have Thor's time on Earth take place for more than just a day, perhaps Jane's character would have been allowed to be fleshed out even more; especially since I personally felt that she had good enough material to explore on her own that would have moved the story as well that wasn't "romance plot" related since her character was knowledgeable with the whole inter-dimension thing.

And I won't deny that her name and its market value was probably another strong reason for Marvel wanting her in it as well.

In any case, others would disagree with your assessment of their chemistry with each other; some enjoyed it, others didn't..etc. If anything, I think the whole point was to show somewhat the bittersweet feeling that just when things are about to pick up between the two characters, things are cut short and they're prevented from seeing each other for a certain amount of time at the end.

As for a new love interest, well Sif would probably be the answer to that, since she's also a major love interest for the character in the comics...if Marvel wanted to, they could use the second film to transition Thor from Jane to Sif in a similar matter like how TDK franchise is apparently doing with Bruce from Rachel to either Selina or Talia in the next film.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And her function is done. You could easily have Thor come to Earth again for another purpose entirely, not even mention or see her, and nothing would feel unfinished. Oh...she was a 'love interest'. Right...how memorable was that?

Technically, sure you could point to how important she was in the actual plot, yadda-yadda. How did it feel, though? Was there electricity? Like we have to see where the relationship goes or something will feel lacking? That's why she's interchangeable.

:O

Are you serious? Some of the last lines in the movie were "...he misses her, the mortal." and "Can you see her? Yes, She searches for you." and the movie ends with Thor smiling at that thought. She is absolutely essential to the next movie, they are trying to get back to each other desperately.

[KalMart]

Are you serious? Some of the last lines in the movie were "...he misses her, the mortal." and "Can you see her? Yes, She searches for you." and the movie ends with Thor smiling at that thought.
A very typical ending and unfortunately not one where you felt like the relationship was dangling. If they don't miss it in a followup, neither will the audience. Whereas in something like Iron Man, you felt the sparks without even verbalizing it...or kissing, etc.. Thor didn't have that.

She is absolutely essential to the next movie, they are trying to get back to each other desperately.
Because she's Natalie Portman.

Again...you have to bring up specific lines or aspects of the plot, etc to justify such-and-such....fine and dandy. But they didn't make you feel it....like it works when done well, you don't even have to bring up a line or story point. Probably a combination of both writing and chemistry, but again, there's little that's needed from Portman again except her star-power. It's not her fault, and no-one's saying can her out of dislike. But she's an ultimately expendable and easily replaceable character.

[04nbod]

And her function is done. You could easily have Thor come to Earth again for another purpose entirely, not even mention or see her, and nothing would feel unfinished. Oh...she was a 'love interest'. Right...how memorable was that?

Technically, sure you could point to how important she was in the actual plot, yadda-yadda. How did it feel, though? Was there electricity? Like we have to see where the relationship goes or something will feel lacking? That's why she's interchangeable.

:O

It ends on a cliffhanger where Jane is looking for him. I should hope she finds him.

I thought the chemistry between Nat and Chris was great with what we god but like you say it needed more. Thor 2 should give us more.

And if Science=Magic, I will not rest until I get Jane vs Enchantress :woot:

It's already rather pointless though, aside from him getting back home. All the first movie did was give us a live-action Thor to put into The Avengers movie. Portman was there for marquee value.

It did Thor's origin story a little unfaithfully but the basics were there. What else would you want out of the first Thor movie?

One line...and that was more than enough. Also replaceable. There really wasn't much of an arc. Put it this way...Potts and Stark didn't even kiss in the first movie, and you felt there was some electricity you wanted to see again. And it may be more from the actual actors/chemistry than the story....but Thor had neither, even if they did express 'love' to eachother. I mean, most people don't even remember her character's name. Heck...people even remembered 'Vicki Vale' better than....well...Portman's character. :D Who are these 'most people'? You must have really badly attentive friends :oldrazz:


Not that I dislike the idea of her coming back...never bad to see her in anything, really. But c'mon...they could get another love interest/actress and not skip a beat except for not having Natalie Portman on the poster.Except the entire ending and the growing tension throughout between them. That would be like Thor saying 'I met this girl who I grew to like considerably but I had to leave. We kissed and I promised to return for her. I miss her and she is looking for me but I've chosen to never see her again'. Are you Stan Lee? He wrote a similar crazy out for Jane in the 60's

[KalMart]

It ends on a cliffhanger where Jane is looking for him. I should hope she finds him.

I thought the chemistry between Nat and Chris was great with what we god but like you say it needed more. Thor 2 should give us more.

And if Science=Magic, I will not rest until I get Jane vs Enchantress :woot:



It did Thor's origin story a little unfaithfully but the basics were there. What else would you want out of the first Thor movie?

Who are these 'most people'? You must have really badly attentive friends :oldrazz:


Except the entire ending and the growing tension throughout between them. That would be like Thor saying 'I met this girl who I grew to like considerably but I had to leave. We kissed and I promised to return for her. I miss her and she is looking for me but I've chosen to never see her again'. Are you Stan Lee? He wrote a similar crazy out for Jane in the 60's

Again, a lot is obvious and right there in the raw info, but it wasn't delivered like something we had to see continue. You watched a romance but you didn't really experience one with them like you do in other movies. We didn't feel it with Connelly and Bana's character in Hulk, either, even though Thor was a better movie. Chemistry, material, whatever be the reasons.

And its not about 'what more do you want', the movie...and more importantly an Avengers...works okay without making any more of it. It's plenty excusable. But don't make it out to actually be well done or vital/irrelpaceable moving forward, because it isn't.

[herolee10]

Because I can...:oldrazz:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9558/man18279.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5020/1742738thor02.jpg

[04nbod]

I want to see more of this in Thor 2:

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http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv9phdBmFQ1qm2016o1_500.jpg

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Jane's mouthy and opinionated and funny. She's fiercely protective (which when written poorly seems motherly) and selfless. In her very first appearance she was willing to sacrifice herself so Donald wouldn't get shot. She hid Thor's hammer once when she didn't know he was Donald so Hyde didn't feel threatened and blow up the building Donald was trapped in. Jane wouldn't leave Donald when they were running away from supervillains because he could only use one leg. If she can't be a Doctor/Nurse at least show that caring side of her.

[KalMart]

Because I can...:oldrazz:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9558/man18279.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5020/1742738thor02.jpg

No-one's saying she ain't a looker. :up:

[cherokeesam]

Again, a lot is obvious and right there in the raw info, but it wasn't delivered like something we had to see continue. You watched a romance but you didn't really experience one with them like you do in other movies. We didn't feel it with Connelly and Bana's character in Hulk, either, even though Thor was a better movie. Chemistry, material, whatever be the reasons.

And its not about 'what more do you want', the movie...and more importantly an Avengers...works okay without making any more of it. It's plenty excusable. But don't make it out to actually be well done or vital/irrelpaceable moving forward, because it isn't.


It *is* vital that Jane return for Thor 2, and they wrap up the relationship threads established in the first film.

I *do* agree with you, however, that Jane is expendable as a character, *after* the inevitable reunion. I'd be more than happy to see Jane die a noble lover's death in this one, and Thor set his sights on Sif instead. Since, you know, that's what happened in the original comic.

Also, a lot of this is speculation on my part, but it seems to me from what I'm reading here in the forums and in the blogosphere that Thor's success can be attributable in large part to an unexpected demographic: namely, women and foreign markets. As a superhero movie, Thor didn't attract the usual rock-em-sock-em action crowd (i.e., boys of all ages, say 5 to 50), but people who were more enthralled with the quasi-Shakespearean family drama, the cross-dimensional romance, and (frankly) the shirtless hunk.

So I believe that Marvel should be (and *is*) taking this new demographic into consideration for Thor 2; and that means the Thor 'n' Jane romance will likely take center stage.

[KalMart]

It *is* vital that Jane return for Thor 2, and they wrap up the relationship threads established in the first film.

I *do* agree with you, however, that Jane is expendable as a character, *after* the inevitable reunion. I'd be more than happy to see Jane die a noble lover's death in this one, and Thor set his sights on Sif instead. Since, you know, that's what happened in the original comic.

Also, a lot of this is speculation on my part, but it seems to me from what I'm reading here in the forums and in the blogosphere that Thor's success can be attributable in large part to an unexpected demographic: namely, women and foreign markets. As a superhero movie, Thor didn't attract the usual rock-em-sock-em action crowd (i.e., boys of all ages, say 5 to 50), but people who were more enthralled with the quasi-Shakespearean family drama, the cross-dimensional romance, and (frankly) the shirtless hunk.

So I believe that Marvel should be (and *is*) taking this new demographic into consideration for Thor 2; and that means the Thor 'n' Jane romance will likely take center stage.

Not really, no. You could simply mention she found someone else then move merrily along. Some other musclebound blonde guy. :woot:

Honestly thoughts, lots of people found the 'relationship' in the film to feel more about lust than actual budding love et al. Not her fault but more the film's fault...even if there was ink on the script that points to 'she's needed because...' Just not one of the better movie couples out there. Not saying it's easy, because it isn't. It's not like people will be pissed that she's coming back for #2, either. But the 'romance' was clearly one of the film's weaker points, and that probably took some more skill from the writer, and/or a better onscreen chemistry that they could work off of. Granted, they're not Downey Jr and Paltrow, but maybe there's something to be found there in a followup.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A very typical ending and unfortunately not one where you felt like the relationship was dangling. If they don't miss it in a followup, neither will the audience. Whereas in something like Iron Man, you felt the sparks without even verbalizing it...or kissing, etc.. Thor didn't have that.

Sorry, but me and my family all thought the relationship was dangling, we all WANTED Jane to find Thor or vice/versa and we all want to know if they will be re-united in the sequel, plenty was left dangling.


Because she's Natalie Portman.

I was actually talking about the character, not the actress, Thor and Jane are desperate to see each other again, it was more than just romance, for Jane, meeting Thor was a culmination of her life's work, for Thor she is a big part of him becoming more humble and understanding.

Again...you have to bring up specific lines or aspects of the plot, etc to justify such-and-such....fine and dandy. But they didn't make you feel it....like it works when done well, you don't even have to bring up a line or story point. Probably a combination of both writing and chemistry, but again, there's little that's needed from Portman again except her star-power. It's not her fault, and no-one's saying can her out of dislike. But she's an ultimately expendable and easily replaceable character.

I would have to disagree again, I would say Jane's character is essential for Thor 2, see my points above about why, there is more than just romance there.

[KalMart]

Sorry, but me and my family all thought the relationship was dangling, we all WANTED Jane to find Thor or vice/versa and we all want to know if they will be re-united in the sequel, plenty was left dangling.




I was actually talking about the character, not the actress, Thor and Jane are desperate to see each other again, it was more than just romance, for Jane, meeting Thor was a culmination of her life's work, for Thor she is a big part of him becoming more humble and understanding.



I would have to disagree again, I would say Jane's character is essential for Thor 2, see my points above about why, there is more than just romance there.
Again....it's not about what the character was written to be. You could probably surmise her out to be more essential to the story, on paper, than Paltrow's Potts was to Iron Man. But the latter felt better, they made a cuter and more fun pair, and left something that you really wanted to enjoy watching develop more. I really didn't see Thor having that. Granted, that's a lot to measure up to with those two actors...but even still, Thor's felt pretty obligatory in comparison. Not necessarily terrible, but just there, regardless how important it was supposed to be. On the level of Connelly and Bana in Hulk, even though Thor was a better movie.

That's what makes her replaceable, in that despite the kinds of things you mention...it really wouldn't take much to overcome it with someone else of notable name and appeal. Have the next Thor movie primarily not take place on present Earth. There you go. If no Portman, maybe he and Johannsen's character may start spending a little more extra-mission time together in an otherworldly battle or something. :O But she's Natalie Portman...of course they'll want her back...because she's Natalie Portman.

[herolee10]

20 bucks a diet coke says that this film will have a "morning after" scene in Asgard featuring Thor and Jane.lol

[cronosred]

Again....it's not about what the character was written to be. You could probably surmise her out to be more essential to the story, on paper, than Paltrow's Potts was to Iron Man. But the latter felt better, they made a cuter and more fun pair, and left something that you really wanted to enjoy watching develop more. I really didn't see Thor having that. Granted, that's a lot to measure up to with those two actors...but even still, Thor's felt pretty obligatory in comparison. Not necessarily terrible, but just there, regardless how important it was supposed to be. On the level of Connelly and Bana in Hulk, even though Thor was a better movie.

That's what makes her replaceable, in that despite the kinds of things you mention...it really wouldn't take much to overcome it with someone else of notable name and appeal. Have the next Thor movie primarily not take place on present Earth. There you go. If no Portman, maybe he and Johannsen's character may start spending a little more extra-mission time together in an otherworldly battle or something. :O But she's Natalie Portman...of course they'll want her back...because she's Natalie Portman.


I disagree, Thor and Jane's relationship was left with them trying to find their way back to each other so they could start something, there was nothing like that in Iron Man, Pepper and Tony were basically in the same place in their relationship from Iron Man 1 - Iron Man 2, IMO Pepper would be far more easily replaced. Now granted the relationship between Thor and Jane did happen quickly but it was nowhere near as bad as the relationship in Ang's Hulk where Betty and Bruce were already broken up and both had alot of issues, most of the time they didn't even feel like they wanted to be around each other.

[KalMart]

I disagree, Thor and Jane's relationship was left with them trying to find their way back to each other so they could start something, there was nothing like that in Iron Man, Pepper and Tony were basically in the same place in their relationship from Iron Man 1 - Iron Man 2, IMO Pepper would be far more easily replaced. Now granted the relationship between Thor and Jane did happen quickly but it was nowhere near as bad as the relationship in Ang's Hulk where Betty and Bruce were already broken up and both had alot of issues, most of the time they didn't even feel like they wanted to be around each other.
Again...it's not about the raw story arc, and what each character did in the plot as much as how enjoyable as a couple they were. You just felt that you had to see more of Stark and Potts in the next story regardless of what happened...but Jane and THor was more 'meh', even if the story left it at 'will I see you again?'. Just not one of the better movie couples, even in the genre.

Put it this way...if she's back, then great...never bad to see Portman in anything. If she/character wasn't, they'd also be fine with a story that doesn't involve her. Potts, you would have actually missed. ;)

[herolee10]

Put it this way...if she's back, then great...never bad to see Portman in anything. If she/character wasn't, they'd also be fine with a story that doesn't involve her.

Well while it remains to be seen if she'll be in a potential Thor 3..it is CONFIRMED that she's returning for Thor 2.

[KalMart]

Well while it remains to be seen if she'll be in a potential Thor 3..it is CONFIRMED that she's returning for Thor 2.

Yes we know that, and there's also some contention with the studio over a change of directors or the like. We're not talking about IF she's actually coming back. We're talking about how essential she is, and/or how essential she feels.

[herolee10]

Yes we know that, and there's also some contention with the studio over a change of directors or the like. We're not talking about IF she's actually coming back.

Apologies; I misread your last post thinking that you were under the impression that her return for the sequel was still no confirmed.

[KalMart]

Apologies; I misread your last post thinking that you were under the impression that her return for the sequel was still no confirmed.

No prob. And again, I would not mind seeing such a lovely lady in any movie, for that matter. :up:

[herolee10]

No prob. And again, I would not mind seeing such a lovely lady in any movie, for that matter. :up:

My curious is piqued now Kal; lol, is there any comic book movie that you feel handled its main romance couple properly..or were at least both believable and durable for you to watch and enjoy?haha

[KalMart]

My curious is piqued now Kal; lol, is there any comic book movie that you feel handled its main romance couple properly..or were at least both believable and durable for you to watch and enjoy?haha
Like I mentioned Iron Man...especially with those two actors. Certainly Reeve and Kidder, Keaton and Pfeiffer for the most part. I liked Parker/MJ in the first movie, and Logan/Jean Grey in the first two XMens. Really more of a feeling thing than anything else for me.

[herolee10]

Like I mentioned Iron Man...especially with those two actors. Certainly Reeve and Kidder, Keaton and Pfeiffer for the most part. I liked Parker/MJ in the first movie, and Logan/Jean Grey in the first two XMens. Really more of a feeling thing than anything else for me.

Cool, and glad to hear.:yay:


As for me; Idk, when it comes to a "love interest" for any hero or heroine in a film, my only gripes comes from if the Love interest is just there for simply being a love interest, and whether that character is a tolerable one.lol

Case in point, I did like the Parker/MJ one in the first one, but after the second and even third film...it became clear that the only thing that Raimi's MJ was known for was being the "it" girl for most of the young male characters in the film and being the damsel in distress that Parker has to save at the climax of each film.

I wouldn't have minded Logan and jean so much if I wasn't such a loyalist to the Scott/Jean romance from the comics.lol, plus I've never been fond of romances that developed at the expense of a good character, let alone if that good character was currently involved with one of the individuals from that said romance.lol

In regards to the MCU films, if anything, I'd say that Steve and Peggy's one have been the best received one from fans and critics that I've seen so far (I could be wrong).

I just hope that this second film is better able to reinforce to larger range of audiences as to what they were trying to do with Jane and Thor in the first film.

[KalMart]

For the 'love interest', I think a big part of it is also how they 'flirt' in the story...that's what makes it fun and gives it chemistry. Not just in what they say or what the script sets up, but how you can see and feel it in their behavior...even when they're at odds or not intending to flirt. Just like any movie, really.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Again....it's not about what the character was written to be. You could probably surmise her out to be more essential to the story, on paper, than Paltrow's Potts was to Iron Man. But the latter felt better, they made a cuter and more fun pair, and left something that you really wanted to enjoy watching develop more. I really didn't see Thor having that. Granted, that's a lot to measure up to with those two actors...but even still, Thor's felt pretty obligatory in comparison. Not necessarily terrible, but just there, regardless how important it was supposed to be. On the level of Connelly and Bana in Hulk, even though Thor was a better movie.

That's what makes her replaceable, in that despite the kinds of things you mention...it really wouldn't take much to overcome it with someone else of notable name and appeal. Have the next Thor movie primarily not take place on present Earth. There you go. If no Portman, maybe he and Johannsen's character may start spending a little more extra-mission time together in an otherworldly battle or something. :O But she's Natalie Portman...of course they'll want her back...because she's Natalie Portman.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this, the whole last 2 3rds of the movie concentrated on Thor and Jane, even in the final battle mention of her was what got Thor to fight Loki, nothing he could before that would get Thor to fight him. In my eyes, the character is essential to the sequel even more so than the acctress, but as I despise re-casts and think in this instant it would be a real detriment I want Portman to come back.

[Shadowlord X]

we will just have to agree to disagree on this, the whole last 2 3rds of the movie concentrated on thor and jane, even in the final battle mention of her was what got thor to fight loki, nothing he could before that would get thor to fight him. In my eyes, the character is essential to the sequel even more so than the acctress, but as i despise re-casts and think in this instant it would be a real detriment i want portman to come back.


agreed.

[04nbod]

Also, its incorrect that 'everyone' doesn't feel Jane is good or necessary. Plenty of lady geeks adore her:

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/is-thor-a-feminist-movie-yes/
http://lisaloves2read.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/thor-why-literary-feminists-will-love-it-as-much-as-the-geeky-boys-will/
http://nthwavefeminism.blogspot.com/2011/05/review-of-thor-with-many-footnotes.html
http://mybelovedjane.tumblr.com/#15194097095
http://flaneur-in-the-city.blogspot.com/2011/05/hammer-it-home-hollywood-feminist-look.html
http://www.examiner.com/feminism-in-chicago/review-thor-passes-bechdel-test-review
http://zeldalily.com/index.php/2011/05/thor-sexualizes-its-lead-empowers-its-female-characters/
http://outofthefridge.wordpress.com/2011/05/
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/lance_mannion/2011/07/the-avengers-some-assembly-still-required.html
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168384-thor-blu-ray-review
http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/news/14799/film-feature-seven-things-we-want-from-thor-2?page=0%2C1
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/5-Things-Thor-Does-Better-Than-Iron-Man-2-24500.html
http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/review/thor.php

[KalMart]

Who said everyone?

[04nbod]

I wasn't referring to you specifically just the general false perception going around that nobody liked Jane which is untrue. If we are going to generalise only two groups really didn't like Jane, 1) 'fanboys' more interested in Thor beating things than any characters nevermind a woman who doesn't act like a man or doesn't act for the attraction of men 2) Girls who are angry Thor isn't gay with his own brother or another avenger.

:p

[herolee10]

Just curious, but has there ever been a storyline in the comics where Odin and Frigga actually considered on finding a bride, (ala future Queen of Asgard) for Thor or have they always let that side of his life alone and for Thor only to decide on?

The reason why I'm asking is because given Thor's royalty and how many kingdoms have dealt with Kings/Queens going out on the hunt to find suitable partners for their heirs regardless of what their children's thoughts on that matter were at the time.

[04nbod]

Just curious, but has there ever been a storyline in the comics where Odin and Frigga actually considered on finding a bride, (ala future Queen of Asgard) for Thor or have they always let that side of his life alone and for Thor only to decide on?

The reason why I'm asking is because given Thor's royalty and how many kingdoms have dealt with Kings/Queens going out on the hunt to find suitable partners for their heirs regardless of what their children's thoughts on that matter were at the time.

Frigga has no say in anything ever.

Odin set him up with Sif after he ditched Jane on earth with amnesia. But to be honest I get the feeling any goddess will do with Odin, no mortals allowed.

[J.Howlett]

I'm just hoping for the Thor/Jane/Sif love triangle in the next picture. To me, it seems the most natural way to go to appease the fans of the comics who want to see Thor with Sif and general fans who loved what they got with Thor and Jane...and want more.

There's no doubt that Hemsworth has chemistry with both ladies.

[04nbod]

I'm just hoping for the Thor/Jane/Sif love triangle in the next picture. To me, it seems the most natural way to go to appease the fans of the comics who want to see Thor with Sif and general fans who loved what they got with Thor and Jane...and want more.

There's no doubt that Hemsworth has chemistry with both ladies.

You know I've seen a lot of lady fans who would be very upset if they have the two good guy girls fighting over a man.

It also wouldn't be accurate to the comics. For a long time there was the 'either Jane or Sif' mentality and you wouldn't get both. Actually it sort of remains, they interact very little at all. They barely even know each other. The only rivalry I've ever seen in when Sif and Thor went to get Jane out of the runestaff dimension and all Sif's thought bubbles were of her fear that Thor would ditch her for Jane when she got out, which is valid considering he ditched Jane for her when Jane got trapped in the first place but she was a right whiner and she left him at the end of the arc anyway after seeing Jane marry some random guy.

Go with Jane vs Enchantress.

[J.Howlett]

You know I've seen a lot of lady fans who would be very upset if they have the two good guy girls fighting over a man.

It also wouldn't be accurate to the comics. For a long time there was the 'either Jane or Sif' mentality and you wouldn't get both. Actually it sort of remains, they interact very little at all. They barely even know each other. The only rivalry I've ever seen in when Sif and Thor went to get Jane out of the runestaff dimension and all Sif's thought bubbles were of her fear that Thor would ditch her for Jane when she got out, which is valid considering he ditched Jane for her when Jane got trapped in the first place but she was a right whiner and she left him at the end of the arc anyway after seeing Jane marry some random guy.

Go with Jane vs Enchantress.

They're gonna have to figure out something for this sequel because you can't drop Jane...and you have to develop Sif even more. It would be nice if they had a friendly relationship in the sequel, but even that depends on where this sequel takes place...and even that depends on what happens in the Avengers.

This damn Avengers flick is interferring with my new found love of the Thor character and mythos.

[Vartha]

They're gonna have to figure out something for this sequel because you can't drop Jane...and you have to develop Sif even more. It would be nice if they had a friendly relationship in the sequel, but even that depends on where this sequel takes place...and even that depends on what happens in the Avengers.

This damn Avengers flick is interferring with my new found love of the Thor character and mythos.
lol It doesn't get any easier as time goes by either lol

[herolee10]

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the posters for “Thor” 2 would be like this; just replace Aragorn for Thor, and Eowyn/Arwen for Jane/Sif respectively.lol



http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/3779/69432925.jpg

[J.Howlett]

I would love a poster like that with an ominous villain overshadowing the three....

I need horse!

[Sith Scotti]

If Natalie Portman comes back ., Jane is the love interest . Its not even a debate she is far bigger star power who herlps draw in the female audience

[Raiden]

I'm just hoping for the Thor/Jane/Sif love triangle in the next picture. To me, it seems the most natural way to go to appease the fans of the comics who want to see Thor with Sif and general fans who loved what they got with Thor and Jane...and want more.

There's no doubt that Hemsworth has chemistry with both ladies.

This is why I won't be too upset if Portman decided to ditch the franchise later, because I'm also interested in the Thor/Sif relationship and I'd be happy if these can be paired together as love interests. Btw, do we have any news about whether Portman is happy about Marvel's selection of director for Thor 2? I know she's contractually bound to make the sequel but I think it would be much better if she is actually happy doing it than dragging her feet in the process.

[04nbod]

If Natalie Portman comes back ., Jane is the love interest . Its not even a debate she is far bigger star power who herlps draw in the female audience

I think we should look at how the high fantasy of Conan went down without any recognisable or respectable face to pull it off. Thor could have fallen into that as well. Thor was on a knife edge as to whether it would do well or not and I think Natalie, Anthony and Marvel's bigger universe is what clinched its success.

Also, remember how sequels do when you start shedding leads from the cast. The audience thinks that if they don't want to make it why should we watch it.

This is why I won't be too upset if Portman decided to ditch the franchise later, because I'm also interested in the Thor/Sif relationship and I'd be happy if these can be paired together as love interests. Btw, do we have any news about whether Portman is happy about Marvel's selection of director for Thor 2? I know she's contractually bound to make the sequel but I think it would be much better if she is actually happy doing it than dragging her feet in the process.

I'd rather Marvel had a definite end point with Thor. It seems to be a 'done in 3' franchise with Hemmy doing Avengers over time. With all the gods aging, Natalie and Anthony wanting to do a variety of projects and the unknowns getting more offers I think it would be best to end at three with Thor crowned King, preferably for me with Jane. I don't see the sense in starting to build up one relationship and dropping it for another half way through. Or dropping the female lead for one that was second to last (out of the main characters) in the credits.

[herolee10]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5480/natalieportmanarrivesat.jpg

[mclay18]

I hope Natalie's cooled down a lot now, and maybe she likes what Alan Taylor has in store for Thor 2. She's probably a little sore over the Jenkins thing, but then again who wouldn't?

And she looked stunning at the Golden Globes. I'm glad she didn't go the typical Hollywood starlet route and put on a slinky black dress.

[herolee10]

I hope Natalie's cooled down a lot now, and maybe she likes what Alan Taylor has in store for Thor 2. She's probably a little sore over the Jenkins thing, but then again who wouldn't?

And she looked stunning at the Golden Globes. I'm glad she didn't go the typical Hollywood starlet route and put on a slinky black dress.

Sigh..if she and Marvel were on the BEST of terms..I'd hope to see a cameo in the Avengers.haha

[WhiteScorpio]

This is why I won't be too upset if Portman decided to ditch the franchise later, because I'm also interested in the Thor/Sif relationship and I'd be happy if these can be paired together as love interests.

Yap. Just look at Thor v.1 136 and do the same thing: Thor takes Jane to Asgard, where Odin grants her godhood. In the same time some enemy (it even could be trolls with Ulik, why the Hell not) makes an attack. Jane finds it to much for her and asks Odin to take away the godhood and return her to earth, which he does. Heartbroken Thor goes into battle only to find himself back to back with fair Sif. Romance ensues.
I cheered loudly when that happened in comics, I will cheer (not so loudly so not to disturb my neigbours at cinema) if they do so in Thor 2. Or Thor 3.

[herolee10]

Heck, at the moment, I'm very curious to see as to whether we'll even hear about her character in "The Avengers". Given the fact that 'Thor' had ended with Thor pining after Jane in hopes of reuniting with her someday, it would seem kind of strange that after a 2 year separation that he doesn't at least mention her or his desire towards wanting to see her.

Not that I'm trying to say or insinuate that she should be his priority or make her role larger than what it should be. It's just a plot point that I think should be tackled before Thor Returns back to Asgard after the events of "The Avengers" since at the moment, we know that Portman won't be in "The Avengers".

[J.Howlett]

Heck, at the moment, I'm very curious to see as to whether we'll even hear about her character in "The Avengers". Given the fact that 'Thor' had ended with Thor pining after Jane in hopes of reuniting with her someday, it would seem kind of strange that after a 2 year separation that he doesn't at least mention her or his desire towards wanting to see her.

Not that I'm trying to say or insinuate that she should be his priority or make her role larger than what it should be. It's just a plot point that I think should be tackled before Thor Returns back to Asgard after the events of "The Avengers" since at the moment, we know that Portman won't be in "The Avengers".

Freaking money. This is one of the minor/major problems I'm having with the Avengers film.

How can Thor be on Earth and the first thing on his mind isn't to seek out Jane? Hell, for all he knows Loki's on Earth going after Jane. Why wouldn't he check on her?

How they deal with the Jane and Thor situation in the Avengers isn't going to be a deal breaker for me...but it'll be close.

It's the same with Rhodey and why he isn't apart of the Avengers as well. Logically, considering what we've seen in both Iron Man films, it makes no sense that Rhodey isn't apart of it as well.

[Raiden]

Freaking money. This is one of the minor/major problems I'm having with the Avengers film.

How can Thor be on Earth and the first thing on his mind isn't to seek out Jane? Hell, for all he knows Loki's on Earth going after Jane. Why wouldn't he check on her?

How they deal with the Jane and Thor situation in the Avengers isn't going to be a deal breaker for me...but it'll be close.

It's the same with Rhodey and why he isn't apart of the Avengers as well. Logically, considering what we've seen in both Iron Man films, it makes no sense that Rhodey isn't apart of it as well.

I think they can make it work. What I think will happen is after they created the worm hole to transport Thor to Midgard/Earth, they can have Thor asking the whereabout of Jane right away, but they told him that they need him urgently so he has to come with them to Helicarrier. His curiosity got the best of him, so he went with them and later discovered that his brother Loki is behind the attacks, and as his brother he felt duty-bound to stop him so he agreed to join The Avengers. He still wanted to be with Jane, but family matter takes precedence and he reasoned that he can still find her later, now that they've established the worm hole and he can travel between the two realms as often as he pleases.

How's that?

[herolee10]

I think they can make it work. What I think will happen is after they created the worm hole to transport Thor to Midgard/Earth, they can have Thor asking the whereabout of Jane right away, but they told him that they need him urgently so he has to come with them to Helicarrier. His curiosity got the best of him, so he went with them and later discovered that his brother Loki is behind the attacks, and as his brother he felt duty-bound to stop him so he agreed to join The Avengers. He still wanted to be with Jane, but family matter takes precedence and he reasoned that he can still find her later, now that they've established the worm hole and he can travel between the two realms as often as he pleases.

How's that?

That could work well.

I wouldn't be surprised if for "Thor 2", they mention on how Jane heard about Thor's adventure on Earth with the Avengers through news reports and from Erik Selvig, and how he's planning to return much sooner for sure this time around to see her once he takes Loki back to Asgard.

[cherokeesam]

I think they can make it work. What I think will happen is after they created the worm hole to transport Thor to Midgard/Earth, they can have Thor asking the whereabout of Jane right away, but they told him that they need him urgently so he has to come with them to Helicarrier. His curiosity got the best of him, so he went with them and later discovered that his brother Loki is behind the attacks, and as his brother he felt duty-bound to stop him so he agreed to join The Avengers. He still wanted to be with Jane, but family matter takes precedence and he reasoned that he can still find her later, now that they've established the worm hole and he can travel between the two realms as often as he pleases.

How's that?

"they told him that they need him urgently so he has to come with them to Helicarrier..."

...so what? Thor is a frickin' god; you think he cares if a bunch of mortals he doesn't know summons him and says they need his help urgently? The only one out of the bunch he'd even recognize is Son of Coul, and he's not a big enough buddy to outweigh Thor's need to reconnect with the love of his life.

Jane needs to be physically predisposed or something. Maybe Loki captures her, or banishes her to the outer planes, or whatever. There's just no logical excuse to ignore her in the Avengers movie.

[herolee10]

"they told him that they need him urgently so he has to come with them to Helicarrier..."

...so what? Thor is a frickin' god; you think he cares if a bunch of mortals he doesn't know summons him and says they need his help urgently? The only one out of the bunch he'd even recognize is Son of Coul, and he's not a big enough buddy to outweigh Thor's need to reconnect with the love of his life.

Jane needs to be physically predisposed or something. Maybe Loki captures her, or banishes her to the outer planes, or whatever. There's just no logical excuse to ignore her in the Avengers movie.

It's possible that Thor learns about Loki's survival either before the events of "The Avengers" or immediately upon his arrival, and hence why he chooses to go aboard with SHIELD first since they would have been dealing with Loki prior to his (Thor) arrival back on Earth.

When Thor is reunited with Erik Selvig first, Thor could ask him about Jane and how she's doing, to which Erik can easily fill both Thor and the audience in.

Also, Thor might be worried that if he goes to see Jane now that Loki may use that against him and actively target Jane in order to hurt him.

Plus, by the end of his own film, Thor did learn that he had to put his own personal feelings aside for the greater good.

I think, just as long as his desire to see Jane is addressed and explained as to why he doesn't take the time to see her while on Earth, then it'll be somewhat alright.

[cherokeesam]

It's possible that Thor learns about Loki's survival either before the events of "The Avengers" or immediately upon his arrival, and hence why he chooses to go aboard with SHIELD first since they would have been dealing with Loki prior to his (Thor) arrival back on Earth.

When Thor is reunited with Erik Selvig first, Thor could ask him about Jane and how she's doing, to which Erik can easily fill both Thor and the audience in.

Also, Thor might be worried that if he goes to see Jane now that Loki may use that against him and actively target Jane in order to hurt him.

Plus, by the end of his own film, Thor did learn that he had to put his own personal feelings aside for the greater good.

I think, just as long as his desire to see Jane is addressed and explained as to why he doesn't take the time to see her while on Earth, then it'll be somewhat alright.

I like that explanation better. If Selvig convinces Thor that going to see her would put Jane's life in jeopardy, that would be a fairly reasonable explanation for her absence in this movie.

[04nbod]

Yap. Just look at Thor v.1 136 and do the same thing: Thor takes Jane to Asgard, where Odin grants her godhood. In the same time some enemy (it even could be trolls with Ulik, why the Hell not) makes an attack. Jane finds it to much for her and asks Odin to take away the godhood and return her to earth, which he does. Heartbroken Thor goes into battle only to find himself back to back with fair Sif. Romance ensues.
I cheered loudly when that happened in comics, I will cheer (not so loudly so not to disturb my neigbours at cinema) if they do so in Thor 2. Or Thor 3.

No offence but I'm not sure you read that comic properly. Jane was infuriated at the end, Odin set an untrained nurse who had been a god for two minutes against a Fear Lord with every intention of her failing. Later issues show he had recalled Sif even before Jane arrived so he could set Thor up with her. Odin is a grand puppetmaster who cares for none but his own.

You are not meant to be cheering during that issue, its a tragedy as you watch a character who you have been reading for years get screwed over and Thor sent off with a stranger *****.

[herolee10]

Well, if Marvel was okay with how the X-Men Film Series favored the Jean Grey and Wolverine relationship/pairing over the traditional Cyclops/Jean Grey one, then I guess if the filmmakers see it as such, they'll be able to forego the romantic pairing of Sif/Thor in the comics, in favor of giving Jane a more happier ending with Thor in the MCU.

[cherokeesam]

Well, if Marvel was okay with how the X-Men Film Series favored the Jean Grey and Wolverine relationship/pairing over the traditional Cyclops/Jean Grey one, then I guess if the filmmakers see it as such, they'll be able to forego the romantic pairing of Sif/Thor in the comics, in favor of giving Jane a more happier ending with Thor in the MCU.


I doubt Marvel had nearly as much say-so in Singer's X-Men films. There doesn't appear to be much they could do when he mangled the hell out of canon time and again. But whenever canon gets ignored/twisted in Marvel Studios films, the Bullpen have no one to blame but themselves.

[mclay18]

Portman has agreed to join the casts of two back-to-back Terrence Malick films, Knight of the Cups and Lawless. "Cups" shoots this summer, while "Lawless" starts in the fall.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/natalie-portman-sets-first-post-oscar-roles-back-to-back-terrence-malick-films-berlin/

No mention of Thor 2, but if her roles are primarily supporting -- she could possibly squeeze in the sequel.

[J.Howlett]

She'll fit it in...unless a big shoe is about to drop, in terms of her involvement in the sequel.

[herolee10]

Yeah; unless something MAJOR went down with her contract, she'll still be in Thor 2 because she was one of the only three people that Marvel Confirmed that would be returning for the sequel.

[cherokeesam]

Portman has agreed to join the casts of two back-to-back Terrence Malick films, Knight of the Cups and Lawless. "Cups" shoots this summer, while "Lawless" starts in the fall.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/natalie-portman-sets-first-post-oscar-roles-back-to-back-terrence-malick-films-berlin/

No mention of Thor 2, but if her roles are primarily supporting -- she could possibly squeeze in the sequel.


I dunno....I don't see how she spends pretty much the whole second half of 2012 filming with Malick and finds time to "squeeze in" Thor 2. Do we know when principal photography starts on Thor 2?

[mclay18]

It's supposed to start production this summer in London, but that could change. It might not start until late fall, considering the November 2013 release.

[04nbod]

Well, if Marvel was okay with how the X-Men Film Series favored the Jean Grey and Wolverine relationship/pairing over the traditional Cyclops/Jean Grey one, then I guess if the filmmakers see it as such, they'll be able to forego the romantic pairing of Sif/Thor in the comics, in favor of giving Jane a more happier ending with Thor in the MCU.

To be honest, even the most ardent Thor fans would say his history is 50/50 at best and has so much untapped potential that has been stunted by bad decision after bad decision. If they change some stuff for the better I doubt many would cry especially as Sif has already had a personality upgrade.

It's supposed to start production this summer in London, but that could change. It might not start until late fall, considering the November 2013 release.

Spring it says here http://www.cinemasmash.com/thor-2/ Maybe a May start in London with her other summer film being in August? Thor took 4-5 months and Jane probably won't be in the big action set pieces that take ages to film anyway.

I can see Marvel completely messing this up. I don't trust them with Jane. She is constantly messed up in favour of Sif on the page, they could do it on screen too. :cmad:

Its great to see her going back to work though.

[mclay18]

Spring it says here http://www.cinemasmash.com/thor-2/ Maybe a May start in London with her other summer film being in August? Thor took 4-5 months and Jane probably won't be in the big action set pieces that take ages to film anyway.

That's a possible scenario. I'm looking at Portman's IMDB profile and her future projects listed as being "in development" finally lists Thor 2. She didn't have Thor 2 on her profile at all a few weeks ago, so I think she's come around to Alan Taylor and his vision for the film.

But remember when Marvel Studios announced The Avengers would film with Robert Downey Jr. and Don Cheadle reprising their roles? Cheadle ended up not being in the film at all... I was worried Portman would end up being omitted from Thor 2 after that hullabaloo with Patty Jenkins showed up on THR.

[cherokeesam]

That's a possible scenario. I'm looking at Portman's IMDB profile and her future projects listed as being "in development" finally lists Thor 2. She didn't have Thor 2 on her profile at all a few weeks ago, so I think she's come around to Alan Taylor and his vision for the film.

But remember when Marvel Studios announced The Avengers would film with Robert Downey Jr. and Don Cheadle reprising their roles? Cheadle ended up not being in the film at all... I was worried Portman would end up being omitted from Thor 2 after that hullabaloo with Patty Jenkins showed up on THR.


To be fair: IMDB is edited by fans, not by anyone remotely "official."

[04nbod]

Its not there anymore either. Just the two new projects

[mclay18]

Its not there anymore either. Just the two new projects

I've checked it again. Thor 2 is still listed under Portman's "projects under development." (Note that it's not in pre-production, look to the right to see the 'development' list.)

I know IMDB is usually like Wikipedia, but for big name actors their agents usually can control the titles listed under their clients as 'in development.'

[herolee10]

I'm surprised that no one has created somewhat of a parody of the last scene in Thor, where they could involve a parody version of Thor going up to Heimdell during one day, and asking him to check up on Jane to see what's going on with her..only to have him say that he sees her doing something that isn't Thor related.lol


For example:

Thor: Can you see her?

Heimdell: Yes...

Thor: How is she?

Heimdell: She's searching for you....



Thor: Can you see her?

Heimdell: Yes...

Thor: How is she?

Heimdell: She's trying brushing her teeth right now...



Thor: Can you see her?

Heimdell: Yes...

Thor: How is she?

Heimdell: She's going to the bathroom and...................Damn you odinson!!!!

[Thorgal]

I read that the director is focusing on the romance of Thor and Jane in the sequel:) He stated they are the main focal point besides him visiting other planets...she will be there with him. So I believe they are sticking to the romance of Jane and Thor and no mention of Sif..

[mclay18]

The casting call in L.A. and London indicates that Portman, along with virtually everyone else from the original Thor are returning for the sequel.

http://www.featurefilmcasting.com/2012/03/auditions-and-extras-casting-for-thor-2.html

Hurray! :cool:

[psylockolussus]

Thats good news!

But I'm still not sure about the November release date.

[DarthSkywalker]

I read that the director is focusing on the romance of Thor and Jane in the sequel:) He stated they are the main focal point besides him visiting other planets...she will be there with him. So I believe they are sticking to the romance of Jane and Thor and no mention of Sif..

So they are going to ignore the source material. That's nice. :o

[Liam_H]

If they're not going to explore the Thor/Sif relationship and just focus on Thor/Jane why did they not release the deleted Thor/Sif scenes from the first movie.

[DarthSkywalker]

If they're not going to explore the Thor/Sif relationship and just focus on Thor/Jane why did they not release the deleted Thor/Sif scenes from the first movie.

Because they hate me. :o

[R_Hythlodeus]

There's nothing wrong with focusing on Jane in the movies, since that character is a whole different Jane Foster than the one in the comics. You can tell differen types of stories with her, take her to other places, where Comic Jane never was.
In a way, it's like how they used Pepper in the Iron Man movies (and TA), Movie Pepper will never settle with Happy (not as long GP is playing her and RDJ is IM, but maybe in other incarnations) and Movie Jane is here to be remodelled as a working romantic interest for Thor.
This might change the dynamic betwen Thor and Sif, I agree. But let's just see where this dynamic goes now under this changed circumstances, before we scream and moan, because it's not perfectly accurate with the storylines and personalities from the 60ies.
So far, MS has done a decent job. In fact, they have done so well, translating these books to a working, breathing Movie Universe that I trust them to do the right thing with every decision they have in store for Phase II.
(until they cast Megan Fox and Eddie Murphy as Enchantress and Executioner)

[04nbod]

So they are going to ignore the source material. That's nice. :o

What source material are you reading?

Sif is nothing but a consolation prize! :o:oldrazz:

There's nothing wrong with focusing on Jane in the movies, since that character is a whole different Jane Foster than the one in the comics. You can tell differen types of stories with her, take her to other places, where Comic Jane never was.
In a way, it's like how they used Pepper in the Iron Man movies (and TA), Movie Pepper will never settle with Happy (not as long GP is playing her and RDJ is IM, but maybe in other incarnations) and Movie Jane is here to be remodelled as a working romantic interest for Thor.
This might change the dynamic betwen Thor and Sif, I agree. But let's just see where this dynamic goes now under this changed circumstances, before we scream and moan, because it's not perfectly accurate with the storylines and personalities from the 60ies.
So far, MS has done a decent job. In fact, they have done so well, translating these books to a working, breathing Movie Universe that I trust them to do the right thing with every decision they have in store for Phase II.
(until they cast Megan Fox and Eddie Murphy as Enchantress and Executioner)

Actually one of my main problems is that they tried to update swooning 60s Jane and pretty much ignore 90's-present Jane. I think Earth's Mightiest Heroes shows us that the closest you stick to comic Jane the better you get. Thor's adoration of her there is obvious because of what she does. She also have the Foster sense of humour in that series too. Jane was always the working love interest. Her and Thor have a dramatic, epic story with character tension everywhere. Its one of Marvel's best but sadly abandoned. You saw how the industry went nuts with praise for it when it was the centre of The Mighty Avenger and that is a book that didn't even hit its stride, that was a prelude to the sweeping story.

I just don't think Thor/Sif has ever been done well. Especially for Sif who just becomes this weak, whining wreck about him. Its one of the fun dynamics though, Sif is physically strong and personally weak. Jane is personally strong and physically weak. Marvel has tortured Jane, heck Simonson killed her for an issue just to make Thor cry.

I wonder, what stories do you guys think will be so much better with Sif? Because right now all I can think of is comic Sif who just stabs things, looks pretty and complains Thor doesn't love her enough. Can you think of a great love story where the characters obviously have a lot in common?

[DarthSkywalker]

There's nothing wrong with focusing on Jane in the movies, since that character is a whole different Jane Foster than the one in the comics. You can tell differen types of stories with her, take her to other places, where Comic Jane never was.
In a way, it's like how they used Pepper in the Iron Man movies (and TA), Movie Pepper will never settle with Happy (not as long GP is playing her and RDJ is IM, but maybe in other incarnations) and Movie Jane is here to be remodelled as a working romantic interest for Thor.
This might change the dynamic betwen Thor and Sif, I agree. But let's just see where this dynamic goes now under this changed circumstances, before we scream and moan, because it's not perfectly accurate with the storylines and personalities from the 60ies.
So far, MS has done a decent job. In fact, they have done so well, translating these books to a working, breathing Movie Universe that I trust them to do the right thing with every decision they have in store for Phase II.
(until they cast Megan Fox and Eddie Murphy as Enchantress and Executioner)

Hey, I am a more modern and Simonson Thor guy. I just want Thor to be with his true love. It is like watching a Superman trilogy where he ignores Lois, even if the other woman is Miss Lang. Doesn't sit right with me.

[04nbod]

Hey, I am a more modern and Simonson Thor guy. I just want Thor to be with his true love. It is like watching a Superman trilogy where he ignores Lois, even if the other woman is Miss Lang. Doesn't sit right with me.


You do know that Jane Foster was based on Lois like Thor was based on Superman? Sif would be Lana, the childhood interest who doesn't appear until a lot later. To me, its like Thor hasn't had 'his Lois' in decades and that is very sad.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnzbhoqotT1qm2016o1_500.jpg

[DarthSkywalker]

You do know that Jane Foster was based on Lois like Thor was based on Superman? Sif would be Lana, the childhood interest who doesn't appear until a lot later. To me, its like Thor hasn't had 'his Lois' in decades and that is very sad.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnzbhoqotT1qm2016o1_500.jpg

Character archetypes are one thing. She maybe a more Lois like character, that doesn't mean she is what Lois is to Superman. Sif is to Thor, what Lois is to Superman. For some their childhood love is their great and true love. Like in Thor's case.

[04nbod]

But Thor's childhood affection for Sif has never been shown as a 'great love' on his part. When we first meet Sif they haven't even seen each other for a long time and Sif thinks he will have forgotten her. In Son of Asgard Sif feels she has to manipulate Thor to get him to want her like she wants him. Its kind of the same as it is in the contemporary 616 where Thor and Sif don't really match. He wants to be on Earth, she doesn't understand it and wants him to go back to Asgard forever. Thor doesn't really seem satisfied with her anyway, if its not Jane its someone else like the whole Zephyr relationship or Enchantress. Its like Sif is Thor's backup and that is unfair to her and makes her seem pathetic as she waits for this guy that will never come through. Its no great love, its no great story, its just ....there. I can't think of a memorable story with it. They have a lot in common and they knew each other as kids, that makes it seem logical but it that doesn't make it interesting or epic.

Can you say that you have ever read Thor so determined to be with someone as he was to be with Jane? It still baffles me how Stan thought he could get away with showing him 'give up'. Its probably Stan Lee's biggest writing mess up at Marvel.

[DarthSkywalker]

I remember Ragnarok and the return from Ragnarok. I know how Thor feels for Sif. The reason they aren't together most of the time or fighting is the need for conflict and to keep Thor warring. Hence why their separations feel so annoying and artificial.

You say it isn't interesting or epic. While I don't agree, say I did. That doesn't change Thor's true affections.

[herolee10]

I wonder if they'll reference or make not on how Jane learned of Thor's appearance on Earth by watching the newscast of his heroics in NYC? In any case, I'm glad that she was referenced in TA.

[jaqua99]

My opinion. No Jane. No Natalie. I don't want to see any love interest thrown into the movie. I just want Thor, and Thor only, going through out the realms. I particularly though Portman was awkwardly annoying in Thor. To the point I found it difficult to watch the scenes with her in it. IF there will be a love interest, make Sif. To be blatant, I don't want Portman, or Jane Foster in anymore of the Thor movies. Even though that won't be the case, unfortunately


*sigh

[herolee10]

Well personally, I can understand the issues that fans had with the usage of Natalie's character in "Thor", let alone of their fear of the potential that Jane's involvement in this film could be detrimental in some ways like how some love interest angles have been for other superhero films.

I'd argue that if Jane is written better this time with a purpose outside of her relationship with Thor that helps serve the plot, then I'd welcome her to the story.

If anything, this film could serve just as a closure for her character in the MCU IF the producers believe that she has no more purpose in Thor's journey, but as far as we were told (despite on it perhaps not coming off as clear in the actual film.lol) Jane is supposed to represent one of Thor's closest ties to Earth apparently.

[Lady Marion]

Honestly I don't have much issues with Jane in Thor. I find her really cute how she is drool over Thor and her confused reaction when he shows up in her caravan. A little love story by the way.

I think they will develop the lovestory because Jane had a much bigger role in the comics. Although I have no idea right now how it matches in a storyline within the other realms.

I see it similar as jaqua99, I don't need a big love story, even less a love triangle or a damsel in distress. All I wanna see is Thor in action with an epic story behind.

[PokeJ]

That's the one thing I enjoyed about The Avengers. No forced love story to drag down the movie. The Avengers showed you can have a kick butt movie without having the Soap-Opera love stories in it.

[TTFN]

That's the one thing I enjoyed about The Avengers. No forced love story to drag down the movie. The Avengers showed you can have a kick butt movie without having the Soap-Opera love stories in it.

Which wouldn't work with the solo movies. The reason it worked in TA is because there were so many characters and so much going on you didn't have time (and even then there are those that see things that just aren't there).

That's not the case in the solo flicks. Plus you don't want to alienate the part of your audience that likes that dynamic and shudders at the proposed alternatives that turn bromances into much, much more...

[cherokeesam]

Which wouldn't work with the solo movies. The reason it worked in TA is because there were so many characters and so much going on you didn't have time (and even then there are those that see things that just aren't there).

That's not the case in the solo flicks. Plus you don't want to alienate the part of your audience that likes that dynamic and shudders at the proposed alternatives that turn bromances into much, much more...

Exactly.
'Nuff said. :cwink:

[DACrowe]

I never read Thor comics so I have no horse in "whose his true love" race. However, after the ending of Thor, there was no way that Jane could not play a large role in the sequel. She had to come back and hopefully be better written. However, I know Natalie Portman is frustrated with MS, so maybe they'll give her and Thor a tearful and final goodbye in this movie so that Ms. Portman can leave the franchise and Thor can be with Sif in future movies.

[DACrowe]

Also:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-snl-digital-short-100-justin-bieber,0,1006217.story

Natalie's street cred continues to go up.

[cherokeesam]

I never read Thor comics so I have no horse in "whose his true love" race. However, after the ending of Thor, there was no way that Jane could not play a large role in the sequel. She had to come back and hopefully be better written. However, I know Natalie Portman is frustrated with MS, so maybe they'll give her and Thor a tearful and final goodbye in this movie so that Ms. Portman can leave the franchise and Thor can be with Sif in future movies.

I don't know how "frustrated" Natalie is with MS, though....we know she was upset when they let Patty Jenkins walk from Thor 2, but the parting with Jenkins was amicable, and there's been no indication that Natalie's on the outs with Marvel or with new director Alan Taylor.

[herolee10]

I don't know how "frustrated" Natalie is with MS, though....we know she was upset when they let Patty Jenkins walk from Thor 2, but the parting with Jenkins was amicable, and there's been no indication that Natalie's on the outs with Marvel or with new director Alan Taylor.

And I heard from one of the interviews that when Chris and Natalie had gone in for a meeting with Alan and co. to discuss the sequel that Natalie walked out pleased with what she heard and what was discussed regarding the sequel.

[mclay18]

Also:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-snl-digital-short-100-justin-bieber,0,1006217.story

Natalie's street cred continues to go up.

She has a great sense of humor. She needs to do more comedies, as she was a bright spot in Your Highness. She just makes me smile.

And I heard from one of the interviews that when Chris and Natalie had gone in for a meeting with Alan and co. to discuss the sequel that Natalie walked out pleased with what she heard and what was discussed regarding the sequel.

Phew. Maybe she's a fan of Game of Thrones too? :woot:

[herolee10]

From the sounds of the latest info, it just keeps adding more to the belief that the film will be also focusing in on deepening the relationship between Thor and Jane, and hopefully, making it into something that more people can buy as believable and that's something more than a "one night stand" contender between the two.lol

[04nbod]

Well personally, I can understand the issues that fans had with the usage of Natalie's character in "Thor", let alone of their fear of the potential that Jane's involvement in this film could be detrimental in some ways like how some love interest angles have been for other superhero films.

I'd argue that if Jane is written better this time with a purpose outside of her relationship with Thor that helps serve the plot, then I'd welcome her to the story.

If anything, this film could serve just as a closure for her character in the MCU IF the producers believe that she has no more purpose in Thor's journey, but as far as we were told (despite on it perhaps not coming off as clear in the actual film.lol) Jane is supposed to represent one of Thor's closest ties to Earth apparently.

Jane did have a story outside of Thor in Thor 1, Thor interrupted her story. She was doing scientific research that would change the MU. In the Avengers we are told shes taking other jobs and not working solely on getting Thor back. She's the most independent love interest in a superhero movie ever now I think about it.

It doesn't appear that the creators care about Thor's tie to Earth and if they are intent on showcasing the universe Jane will have to stick around to even symbolically tie Thor back to Earth. Without Jane, Thor has no reason to be there.

I found this on Tumblr, so cute

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5abk39H2A1rs8qebo1_r1_500.jpg

[Raiden]

I think Jane's role in Thor was important, in that she helped Thor understand Midgard and her relationship with him was the reason why he became fond of Earth and its well-being. What that said, her character could've written even better, and I'm sure they will do so in the sequel, because I doubt Portman would want back (even though she is contractually to do so), if her role becomes less significant. I hope she'll work well with Alan Taylor, because I believe a director must establish good relationship with his main cast for the movie to succeed.

[Godzilla2000]

I think in Thor 2 Thor and Jane should be explored if only to show how dangerous Thor's life is for a mortal with the third one kindling Thor and Sif as a couple. We saw shades of a deeper attraction in Thor when he was convincing Sif to retreat instead of sacrificing herself against the Destroyer.

[Liam_H]

There were a lot more scenes filmed with Thor and Sif that were cut from the film. They however did not include them as deleted scenes on the home release. I hope the reason is because they wanted to explore that path later on in the sequels so no point in giving it away.

[04nbod]

I think in Thor 2 Thor and Jane should be explored if only to show how dangerous Thor's life is for a mortal with the third one kindling Thor and Sif as a couple. We saw shades of a deeper attraction in Thor when he was convincing Sif to retreat instead of sacrificing herself against the Destroyer.

That storyline is bull though. The same can be said for Pepper, Lois Lane, Sharon Carter and most love interests. For some reason only Jane ever gets that storyline in anything. Its weak and casts your leading lady as pathetic which is why no other franchise uses it. In fact, the latest Avengers: EMH uses it in a way that is completely opposite to how 616 Jane reacted in the same situation. It was almost shocking how much writers characterise Jane as a stereotype of a 60s love interest without paying any actual attention to her character in those stories. Its like they think that every female was Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane. Jane was specifically written to be a Lois-type who wasn't desperate for commitment from the hero and who wouldn't scream for help at all costs. Its frustrating.

[herolee10]

I think Jane's role in Thor was important, in that she helped Thor understand Midgard and her relationship with him was the reason why he became fond of Earth and its well-being. What that said, her character could've written even better, and I'm sure they will do so in the sequel, because I doubt Portman would want back (even though she is contractually to do so), if her role becomes less significant. I hope she'll work well with Alan Taylor, because I believe a director must establish good relationship with his main cast for the movie to succeed.

I think the biggest problem was the fact that the events of "Thor" took place within a 3 day time span; even a talented writer would have trouble with making a character come off as great and exciting while making developing within such a limited time frame. I hope that "Thor 2" won't be so constrained in this dept.

[cherokeesam]

That storyline is bull though. The same can be said for Pepper, Lois Lane, Sharon Carter and most love interests. For some reason only Jane ever gets that storyline in anything. Its weak and casts your leading lady as pathetic which is why no other franchise uses it. In fact, the latest Avengers: EMH uses it in a way that is completely opposite to how 616 Jane reacted in the same situation. It was almost shocking how much writers characterise Jane as a stereotype of a 60s love interest without paying any actual attention to her character in those stories. Its like they think that every female was Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane. Jane was specifically written to be a Lois-type who wasn't desperate for commitment from the hero and who wouldn't scream for help at all costs. Its frustrating.

To be fair, Sharon Carter was no wallflower; she was an ass-kicking secret agent who always got in the thick of things and often *fought* alongside (and with) Cap.

But yeah, I agree with you that it would be bull to just focus on Jane as a damsel in distress. I think the biggest focus by writers in more recent years on Jane has been the status difference between her and Thor --- i.e., that Odin (and others) think it's unseemly for a god to lower himself to dating a mortal. I'd think that would be a major issue that's explored in this movie.

[herolee10]

Well it should be interesting on what arc Jane Foster ends up having considering especially that this will be Natalie Portman's first film since her break from having had a child a year ago.

[04nbod]

To be fair, Sharon Carter was no wallflower; she was an ass-kicking secret agent who always got in the thick of things and often *fought* alongside (and with) Cap.

But yeah, I agree with you that it would be bull to just focus on Jane as a damsel in distress. I think the biggest focus by writers in more recent years on Jane has been the status difference between her and Thor --- i.e., that Odin (and others) think it's unseemly for a god to lower himself to dating a mortal. I'd think that would be a major issue that's explored in this movie.

But Sharon is no Cap. Once you reach the level of fighting Thanos in any capacity your no frills secret service GF is going to look weak by comparison. Marvel has tried to counter this by powering up Betty and Pepper but Jane never gets powered up she just gets told she's helpless and crap. It often feels like Marvel is Odin. As if they agree that Sif is more worthy because she can skewer trolls and Jane is inferior because she's just a doctor, she only saves lives on a daily basis.

I wish I could agree that Marvel have shifted the focus in recent years but the truth is, that is what the 60's story was. There has been no Thor/Jane in any capacity since 2000 at least (I can't remember when they last had a conversation) and that was just flirting and sexual chemistry. They haven't had a relationship since the 70s to explore and its not like you can say he was dating Sif all that time. He wasn't, he was either single or with Amora, sometimes with Sif but briefly on and off.

Its Jane's 50th year since her creation this year and we still don't know much about her. We only found out that Jane and Don met in medical school two months ago but we still don't know how she became a nurse from that. We don't know how long Jane and Don have known one another. We don't know anything about Jane's life or what made her the woman she is. We know she had an aunt who taught her to speak Spanish, was one of her parents hispanic? There are massive gaps in the stories we did see from her perspective. Jane can seemingly recover from God induced amnesia at will, she's done it twice already. She was dumped with amnesia with her ex boyfriend by Thor and his new girlfriend, she never calls him on it. She leaves her creepy Odin mandated husband twice for different reasons but we are never told why she went back to him anyway.

Would it bankrupt Marvel comics to tell one or two stories about Jane? The only thing I can remember being happy about recently was JMS really getting Jane's personality. For 5 years Stan Lee and Larry Leiber wrote Jane as a flawed woman worthy of being a goddess who was fighting a losing battle against an all-father who lacked the honour to play fair. That is so much more interesting than the nice nurse she's been retconned as.

[TTFN]

They made Jane an astrophysicist for a reason and I can't help but think so she can be a more equal interest for Thor which a reason to be involved in the sequels for reasons MORE than as a love interest and quite possibly a future Avengers movie. I love the change.

Also Branagh said in a commentary that Thor/Jane weren't supposed to show more in the first movie than a mutual attraction so I'm guessing a deeper connection will be shown in the sequel. I need a triangle like a hole in the head. No thanks.

[herolee10]

I'm wondering if they'll show a scene that took place during the events of the NYC battle or even right after it, where we see Jane watching the television and seeing her reaction to Thor appearing on the television screen, let alone being on Earth.

[American Maid]

I'm wondering if they'll show a scene that took place during the events of the NYC battle or even right after it, where we see Jane watching the television and seeing her reaction to Thor appearing on the television screen, let alone being on Earth.

I think so. I also think it likely that Jane would have known prior to the New York attacks Thor was on Earth.

She has access to S.H.I.E.L.D.'s satellites now, so likely she would have seen the signature of the Einstein-Rosen bridge (or whatever the "dark magic" would have created) when Thor arrived and intercepted the plane over western Europe.

Now of course, it will have been at least a year since they had seen each other. Will they still feel the same?

[jaqua99]

I think so. I also think it likely that Jane would have known prior to the New York attacks Thor was on Earth.

She has access to S.H.I.E.L.D.'s satellites now, so likely she would have seen the signature of the Einstein-Rosen bridge (or whatever the "dark magic" would have created) when Thor arrived and intercepted the plane over western Europe.

Now of course, it will have been at least a year since they had seen each other. Will they still feel the same?

Well, he didn't come from bifrost. So the Einstein Rosenbridge (wormholes, for those of you who don't know astronomy and physics ;] ) probably wasn't there.



Honestly, I hope there is minimum Jane. I want a Thor story and all about Thor and the worlds. Obviously Jane is gunna be captured.

But I HATED natalie Portman in Thor. I have a hard time watching some of her scenes. I hope to god it aint like that in this movie.

Though I do want her to meet Odin.

Sort of gives us a human perspective, meeting Asgardians, meeting its King. How intimidating an experience it may be.

[American Maid]

Well, he didn't come from bifrost. So the Einstein Rosenbridge (wormholes, for those of you who don't know astronomy and physics ;] ) probably wasn't there.


Well, as I understand, real Einstein-Rosen bridges become unstable if even so much as a photon goes through them. So the premise of the Bifrost actually being an Einstein-Rosen bridge is part of the fiction.

So given that we've made that leap, they could make it that all the portals that get opened up are E-R bridges. Or, that the other portals are similar enough to E-R bridges that Jane would be able to recognize them, too.

I'm not guaranteeing they'll write it that way, just that it's reasonable given the premises we have so far. (Hence my earlier assertion about Jane knowing whether Thor was on Earth.)


Though I do want her to meet Odin.

Sort of gives us a human perspective, meeting Asgardians, meeting its King. How intimidating an experience it may be.

Well, it sounds like you'll get your wish regarding Jane meeting Odin. And it must be that there will be some fish-out-of-water experiences for her in Asgard.

I have the impression that Jane from the early days wasn't intimidated by much. So if they write her that way, you might be a little bit dissatisfied on that account.

[herolee10]

At the moment, like others have mentioned, I am kind of worried that Jane's role will be reduced to nothing more than a love interest/damsel in distress in this film, where she gets kidnapped by Kurse or Malekith in order to draw Thor out.

[American Maid]

At the moment, like others have mentioned, I am kind of worried that Jane's role will be reduced to nothing more than a love interest/damsel in distress in this film, where she gets kidnapped by Kurse or Malekith in order to draw Thor out.

Yes, I am pro-Jane, and I am worried too.

It seems like it would be exceedingly dumb to have her be kidnapped by Malekith, when I'm sure they could figure out some other McGuffin to get that story rolling.

Keeping her from falling into that whole set of cliches will take some imagination and some boldness, to do something other that what has been done before, in any of a number of universes. I think the hooks for such imaginative turns of plot are there. What I don't know is if they had one idea when they did Thor1, and put those hooks in, and have now decided to go in a different, more cliched direction, and are backing away from that, or if they are going to follow through with those ideas.

[cherokeesam]

I'm just gonna put this out there:

The "code name" that Thor: TDW is working under is, as some of you know, Thursday Mourning. Code names often don't have any reference to the actual movie, of course, but that "mourning" does stick out a bit.

[American Maid]

I'm just gonna put this out there:

The "code name" that Thor: TDW is working under is, as some of you know, Thursday Mourning. Code names often don't have any reference to the actual movie, of course, but that "mourning" does stick out a bit.

That possibility has not escaped me.

[American Maid]

Of course, beings this is comic book material, there are a few plots that can make death temporary. One time Sif gave some of her life force to keep Jane from dying. This she did out of love for Thor, knowing that he loved Jane, and wanting to prevent heartbreak. Very selfless, actually. (And all those elements are in place in the movies or could be by the time the moment arises.)

Apparently, in the Simonson run, there's also a plot where Thor takes an army into Hel to bail out two mortal souls trapped there. The summary that I read (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/12/walt-simonson-thor/) doesn't name who they are, so I don't know how much of a stretch it would be to change them to Jane and, say, Darcy (or make it just Jane). They do say it comes after the fight with Surtur, so it makes it a long shot to take place in this movie (even if that does mean Surtur is in this movie, having this other fight after that is a lot of material). Plus, it's another variant on damsel-in-distress.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like it would be much of a "mourning" if Jane doesn't stay dead.

[American Maid]

BTW, CherokeeSam, what were the code names of the movies you were in?

[ericadawn16]

so, Thursdays mourning=Thor's day for mourning?

But she's not even on set right now or won't be on Thursday...she's expected to be in Charlotte at the Democratic National Convention along with Scarlett Johansson.

[American Maid]

Well, it could be as simple as they were trying to allude to Thor and to "The Dark World", and a day of mourning being a dark day, etc. What CherokeeSam was suggesting to (and what had crossed my mind when I first heard of that code title) was that maybe Thor will have something to mourn.

I have the impression that Portman was in the UK earlier this week. I imagine they could arrange the shooting schedule so that she could be away 2 days. (It's really tiring to go to the US from Europe and back in the span of a few days, but it can be done).

I guess the real indicator will be when she finishes her part of the filming (Jaimie Alexander had tweeted at the end of July that she was going to be there for 5 months, which I assume is the entire span of the filming).

[04nbod]

Well, it could be as simple as they were trying to allude to Thor and to "The Dark World", and a day of mourning being a dark day, etc. What CherokeeSam was suggesting to (and what had crossed my mind when I first heard of that code title) was that maybe Thor will have something to mourn.

I have the impression that Portman was in the UK earlier this week. I imagine they could arrange the shooting schedule so that she could be away 2 days. (It's really tiring to go to the US from Europe and back in the span of a few days, but it can be done).

I guess the real indicator will be when she finishes her part of the filming (Jaimie Alexander had tweeted at the end of July that she was going to be there for 5 months, which I assume is the entire span of the filming).


Jaimie is doing her training in the UK. Kat Dennings was in the UK for a few days and is now back on set for her tv show. I think these were costume tests or something.

As for Thursday Mourning. They better not fridge her! But Thursday Morning is the title of an actual Thor issue where Thor takes Jane on a tour of the earth with his goat chariot

http://www.comicvine.com/thor-the-mighty-avenger-thursday-morning/37-238316/

[American Maid]

Jaimie is doing her training in the UK. Kat Dennings was in the UK for a few days and is now back on set for her tv show. I think these were costume tests or something.

As for Thursday Mourning. They better not fridge her! But Thursday Morning is the title of an actual Thor issue where Thor takes Jane on a tour of the earth with his goat chariot

http://www.comicvine.com/thor-the-mighty-avenger-thursday-morning/37-238316/

Oh, I had missed that title when I read that issue! (In trade paperback)

*Well*, that puts an entirely different spin on it, doesn't it?? :yay:

Not that Jane is out of the woods. It seems to be canon to write her out of the story in as punitive a way imaginable, and they are quite imaginative at Marvel. (To paraphrase the Throg poster, "What will they do to Jane this time?")

More seriously, right now I give it about 50/50 for Jane staying in there. I was more pessimistic (say 35/65), but someone on one of these threads (forget who, apologies, whoever you are!) pointed out that it actually takes a lot of screen time to establish a romance. By the time Jane might exit, the second movie might be 2/3 the way through, leaving not that much time to establish something with, say, Sif. (The books had the luxury of several more decades to establish that.) And movies have to be more streamlined about everything, not just love interests.

And if they do write her out, I'd say there's a good chance (60/40) that Jane is the one who decides to exit. (continuing the agency that she had throughout the first film)

[04nbod]

Ah The Jane fate Lottery. The big money is on:

a) dead
b) amnesia
c) pimped out to a random supporting character we meet in one scene at the end.
d) B and C combined

I have faith though. If they are looking to The Mighty Avenger they won't destroy it horribly. It would be like killing bunnies

http://i48.tinypic.com/2rdg85d.jpg

[American Maid]

Ah The Jane fate Lottery. The big money is on:

a) dead
b) amnesia
c) pimped out to a random supporting character we meet in one scene at the end.
d) B and C combined

I have faith though. If they are looking to The Mighty Avenger they won't destroy it horribly. It would be like killing bunnies


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hahah.

Well, we don't have any evidence that they are looking to The Mighty Avenger, aside from the coincidence between the code title for the movie and the title of this one issue.

And if they are going to give Jane a royally raw deal (per tradition), it ought to at least be novel. Sheesh.

So I guess that would leave us with "dead".

But you're right--too early to completely give up!

[Superhero 101]

So I am guessing Portman will be wearing a wig since she is going blonde for her next film. I actually like her as a blonde.

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't say I'd really mind if Jane gets written out. Portman seems to feel like she's slumming it just being in these movies, probably more than ever now that Branagh's out, plus the comics transition Thor away from Jane and onto Sif over time. But I'd hope they'd at least give Jane a tasteful send-off. Maybe have her meet someone while Thor was away in Asgard--a certain Dr. Keith Kincaid, perhaps. ;)

[American Maid]

So I am guessing Portman will be wearing a wig since she is going blonde for her next film. I actually like her as a blonde.

Re: wig--not necessarily. She could just dye it back to brunette when she is done with the Terrence Malick film and ready to move to Thor2.

[American Maid]

I can't say I'd really mind if Jane gets written out. Portman seems to feel like she's slumming it just being in these movies, probably more than ever now that Branagh's out, plus the comics transition Thor away from Jane and onto Sif over time. But I'd hope they'd at least give Jane a tasteful send-off. Maybe have her meet someone while Thor was away in Asgard--a certain Dr. Keith Kincaid, perhaps. ;)

I've seen people mention on this forum from time to time that Portman feels disenchanted/disappointed with the project now/is phoning it in/heart's not really into it/etc. She doesn't seem to be giving interviews right now, and I haven't been able to dig up, well, any comments from her about the project. The only hits I can get on a Google search are when she was upset that Patty Jenkins left the project.

So I'm hoping you (or others) can help me understand why people feel that Portman is not enthused about the project anymore and is at risk of phoning it in. As it is, as far as I can tell, she is still a-okay with her part in the franchise.

I continue to be pro-Jane and hope that she stays in the story (currently I feel it's 70/30). FWIW, if she does stay in the story, I think it's about 90/10 that she's an item with Thor (and I hope for that development too). But she might stay in the story because of her technical expertise with portals (so she may show up in TA2, for example), and not be an item with Thor.

If it's not to be that she and Thor are an item (or in the story at all), I absolutely would want a dignified resolution. I would even say it is necessary if Marvel wants any credibility regarding treating female characters differently in this new day and age. Keith Kinkaid, as implemented in the books (as I understand), was not that, though of course they could do a much better job with that plot line in the movies (and keep it a big secret, since Kinkaid is supposed to look rather like Blake/Thor, and so they could have Hemsworth do the role after a shave and a haircut and no one will be any wiser until the opening).

I think if Jane and Thor do not continue as an item, the most likely way that it unfolds is that Jane is the one who decides to end it. That way, Jane continues to have agency (which is one of the things I and others really liked about her role in Thor1), and it would not so far afield from the original-original story. Just updated language/spin. So I suppose various constituents would be satisfied (though I would still be disappointed).

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have anything specific to back it up, I just didn't find her all that engaging in Thor. She and Hemsworth didn't have particularly memorable chemistry to me, either. I remember in the interviews she did give for the first movie, she tended to mention Branagh as the main reason for her involvement too.

Granted, this is all just my impression of things. Your mileage may vary.

As for the rest, I wouldn't mind if Jane sticks around. Movie-Jane is at least a massive improvement over early comics-Jane. I've rather liked Jane in the comics since she became a doctor and wasn't constantly enmeshed in a forced soap opera triangle with Thor and Blake like she was in the '60s. I just prefer Sif as a love interest for Thor (although I'm starting to get bored of that too, since they haven't really done anything interesting now that she and Thor are actually paired up in the comics).

[American Maid]

I don't have anything specific to back it up, I just didn't find her all that engaging in Thor. She and Hemsworth didn't have particularly memorable chemistry to me, either. I remember in the interviews she did give for the first movie, she tended to mention Branagh as the main reason for her involvement too.

I liked their chemistry (as did, apparently, Branagh, though I guess he would be bound to say that--haha). FWIW, I was kind of "meh" about the Downey-Paltrow chemistry in the run up to IM2, and I gather I was the rare person felt that way on that. (I liked them in TA, though).



As for the rest, I wouldn't mind if Jane sticks around. Movie-Jane is at least a massive improvement over early comics-Jane. I've rather liked Jane in the comics since she became a doctor and wasn't constantly enmeshed in a forced soap opera triangle with Thor and Blake like she was in the '60s. I just prefer Sif as a love interest for Thor (although I'm starting to get bored of that too, since they haven't really done anything interesting now that she and Thor are actually paired up in the comics).

Yes, I am pro-Jane almost exclusively because of movie-Jane. Not that there aren't faults with how movie-Jane has been written. But it's a step forward, I'm grateful, and I'll take it.

From what little is in Thor1, I don't really see how Sif is Thor's one true lady-love, to quote language I've seen elsewhere. But I am happy to keep an open mind until I have a chance to read some more.

I picked up the one issue of the current title I could find in the comic book store that featured both Thor and Sif to gain some insight. (And I gather that makes me the only person in all the nine realms who ever saw the movies first and then went out and bought a comic book featuring any of the characters from the movies). That was the July, 2011 issue of _The Mighty Thor_ (it's issue #2, but issue number designations are worthless anymore). And the closest they got to any window on their relationship was when Thor said to Sif, "I need warming, woman." Oh. Be still. My beating heart.

But then it turned out that the writer on that issue is Fraction, and he seems to be about as beloved as Millar. :yay: So I guess I need to read something else.

[LauraT]

Yes I think I remember her saying how Branagh doing a Shakespearean CBM was so unexpected and interesting that was a big reason she took the role. She also said she enjoyed doing it right after Black Swan as it was relaxing to play a more light hearted character after nearly suffering a break down after BS. There were also rumors that she was unhappy after Patti Jenkins left but also "sources" saying she had some good meetings with Alan Taylor. And her role is supposedly being beefed up isn't it?

In some ways she seems the least enthusiastic cast member inm interviews but OTOH I've seen other interviews over the years where she admitted how hard it was to get good parts and several years she only did relatively small roles or tiny indies that that didn't get theatrical distribution, so it might also make sense to keep a relatively undemanding role in a massive franchise that still gets good reviews and apparently shedules around her other work. Do we know hoe many movies she signed on for, I imagine Marvel tried for the usual 9 but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 6 like CE or even 3.

[American Maid]

Yes I think I remember her saying how Branagh doing a Shakespearean CBM was so unexpected and interesting that was a big reason she took the role. She also said she enjoyed doing it right after Black Swan as it was relaxing to play a more light hearted character after nearly suffering a break down after BS. There were also rumors that she was unhappy after Patti Jenkins left but also "sources" saying she had some good meetings with Alan Taylor. And her role is supposedly being beefed up isn't it?

In some ways she seems the least enthusiastic cast member inm interviews but OTOH I've seen other interviews over the years where she admitted how hard it was to get good parts and several years she only did relatively small roles or tiny indies that that didn't get theatrical distribution, so it might also make sense to keep a relatively undemanding role in a massive franchise that still gets good reviews and apparently shedules around her other work. Do we know hoe many movies she signed on for, I imagine Marvel tried for the usual 9 but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 6 like CE or even 3.


After much digging, I finally found a reference that stated that Portman was contracted to do a total of 3 Thor movies (as opposed to any Avengers movies). It's about halfway through the article: http://www.newsarama.com/film/hey-thats-my-cape-avengers-females-100825.html

I would assume there is a clause that gives Marvel an out if the plot takes the character out of the story. In other words, she would be contractually obligated to play the role if Marvel needs the role played.

I don't know if her role is being beefed up. She is one of the few characters for whom I can't recall them saying the role is being beefed up. But she had a pretty significant role in Thor1. It might be hard to increase it. So that angle doesn't bother me.

[TheCorpulent1]

The idea that Sif is Thor's true love comes from the comics and the myths. Nothing in the first movie paints her as anything more than "one of the guys," really.

Matt Fraction's The Mighty Thor is terrible in general, and his handling of Thor and Sif's romance lived up to that. He treats Thor like a monosyllabic barbarian, so that "I need warming" thing probably does pass for high romance in his mind. Honestly, there's just not a lot of focus on romance at all in Thor's comics these days. One of the better depictions of his and Sif's love comes from their childhood, portrayed in Thor: Son of Asgard. In the ongoing series, after the '80s or so, they tend to focus more on action rather than Thor's personal life.

[American Maid]

The idea that Sif is Thor's true love comes from the comics and the myths. Nothing in the first movie paints her as anything more than "one of the guys," really.

Matt Fraction's The Mighty Thor is terrible in general, and his handling of Thor and Sif's romance lived up to that. He treats Thor like a monosyllabic barbarian, so that "I need warming" thing probably does pass for high romance in his mind. Honestly, there's just not a lot of focus on romance at all in Thor's comics these days. One of the better depictions of his and Sif's love comes from their childhood, portrayed in Thor: Son of Asgard. In the ongoing series, after the '80s or so, they tend to focus more on action rather than Thor's personal life.

Well, the idea of romantic love as a basis for marriage emerged in the 18th century (I venture to suppose it grew out of Enlightenment thinking). Certainly Sif was Thor's wife in the myths, but that doesn't mean they loved each other.

I agree that Sif in Thor1 is portrayed as one of his buddies. Which, in its own way, is also progressive.

I figured the "true love" idea came from the comics; I just have to find the book(s) that depict it so I can fairly assess it. Thanks for the tip on Thor: Son of Asgard.

Your comments about recent portrayals raises another possibility: Jane exits the story and no one takes her place. Hmmm.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it seemed like the ladies liked Thor as eye candy more than Jane or the romance in the first movie. But I doubt we'll see them cut all romance out completely in the movies the way they have in the comics. Disney's investing too much money to take that kind of chance; conventional Hollywood wisdom says a romance is required for the broadest possible appeal.

[American Maid]

Yeah, it seemed like the ladies liked Thor as eye candy more than Jane or the romance in the first movie. But I doubt we'll see them cut all romance out completely in the movies the way they have in the comics. Disney's investing too much money to take that kind of chance; conventional Hollywood wisdom says a romance is required for the broadest possible appeal.

Do you mean the ladies in the audience?

I agree that there's likely to be an element of romance in future films for the very reason you mention.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I was talking about ladies in the audience. Every girl I've talked about Thor with has mentioned Hemsworth's bare-chested scene. Far fewer have noted whether the romance was good or Portman and Hemsworth had decent chemistry or anything.

[American Maid]

Yeah, I was talking about ladies in the audience. Every girl I've talked about Thor with has mentioned Hemsworth's bare-chested scene. Far fewer have noted whether the romance was good or Portman and Hemsworth had decent chemistry or anything.

Well, I guess I'm out of step then. Don't get me wrong; I appreciate the fan service. But my focus has been on other aspects.

I suppose there's so much commentary because fan service for female heterosexual fans is so unusual. Though I have noticed that every male Avenger with a solo movie thus far has managed to lose his shirt.

Since most of those moments seem to be connected with whomever's origin story, interested fans may be disappointed in Phase 2; it may be harder to work such moments into those plots.

[04nbod]

I can't say I'd really mind if Jane gets written out. Portman seems to feel like she's slumming it just being in these movies, probably more than ever now that Branagh's out, plus the comics transition Thor away from Jane and onto Sif over time. But I'd hope they'd at least give Jane a tasteful send-off. Maybe have her meet someone while Thor was away in Asgard--a certain Dr. Keith Kincaid, perhaps. ;)

Thor doesn't 'transition over time'. Jane gets ditched by Odin and Thor gets sent off with Sif in the very same issue. Keith Kincaid was never a tasteful send off, he was a plot device to section Jane off and away from Thor so Thor couldn't be with her even after they got their memories back.



Yes, I am pro-Jane almost exclusively because of movie-Jane. Not that there aren't faults with how movie-Jane has been written. But it's a step forward, I'm grateful, and I'll take it.

From what little is in Thor1, I don't really see how Sif is Thor's one true lady-love, to quote language I've seen elsewhere. But I am happy to keep an open mind until I have a chance to read some more.

I picked up the one issue of the current title I could find in the comic book store that featured both Thor and Sif to gain some insight. (And I gather that makes me the only person in all the nine realms who ever saw the movies first and then went out and bought a comic book featuring any of the characters from the movies). That was the July, 2011 issue of _The Mighty Thor_ (it's issue #2, but issue number designations are worthless anymore). And the closest they got to any window on their relationship was when Thor said to Sif, "I need warming, woman." Oh. Be still. My beating heart.

But then it turned out that the writer on that issue is Fraction, and he seems to be about as beloved as Millar. :yay: So I guess I need to read something else.

Fraction for all his faults gets the dynamics right. The point of that relationship is to show us that Thor uses Sif as an emotional punching bag. There is no equality in character there. Sif is desperate for Thor and while Thor loves her greatly it isn't the same kind of affection. Fraction has Thor call Enchantress with the same endearment as Sif, 'woman'. Compare that to Thor's only scene with Jane under Fraction where he takes time to explain things to her and says 'Ah, good Jane'. Jane is a character who just won't accept being called 'woman', she will call him on it. 60's Jane was the same.

The idea that Sif is Thor's true love comes from the comics and the myths. Nothing in the first movie paints her as anything more than "one of the guys," really.

She's not Thor's true love in the myths either. He got around. As for the comics, it depends what comics you read. If you read between the 60s and 70s then Jane is often called his true love.

One of the better depictions of his and Sif's love comes from their childhood, portrayed in Thor: Son of Asgard. In the ongoing series, after the '80s or so, they tend to focus more on action rather than Thor's personal life.

Thor/Sif works in the childhood sense because they are both hotheaded and arrogant. When Thor goes through his change and becomes a better person that perspective changes.

[jaqua99]

Natalie made the first movie difficult. I found it hard to watch any scene with her in it, I think she was weak, and her scenes seemed awkward. I hope she has a small part, and gets killed off.

I never liked her, i never found her attractive (in fact the complete opposite), I never thought she was a good actress, and I just don't like her in any movie really.

[Caboose]

My ideal scenario would be: Jane somehow dies in this one. Thor is super pissed and goes into Asgardian Berserker rage and kicks ass. He gets closer to Sif but still platonic for now. Thor 3: they bang.

[Chewy]

I thought Natalie was good in the first one, and she had a fun, breezy chemistry with Hemsworth.

I know this is the land of Sif shippers but I doubt they'll kill off Jane, or break them up.

[Caboose]

I thought Natalie was good in the first one, and she had a fun, breezy chemistry with Hemsworth.

I know this is the land of Sif shippers but I doubt they'll kill off Jane, or break them up.
So, what you're saying is....threesome?

[cherokeesam]

I thought Natalie was good in the first one, and she had a fun, breezy chemistry with Hemsworth.

I know this is the land of Sif shippers but I doubt they'll kill off Jane, or break them up.

I think it all depends on Natalie, really. Like others have said, there's the impression (not backed up by any actual comments or quotes by Natalie; but it's really her *lack* of discussion about the movie or her role that speaks volumes) that she only signed up for the first movie because of Branagh and Shakespeare in the Park (doth thy mother knoweth thou weareth drapes?).

But if she's ready, willing and able, I'm sure Marvel would give her another go for at least one more Jane Foster episode after this one.

Me, I'm betting on Sif though, as you say. :oldrazz:

[Chewy]

Hemsworth hasn't really talked about it since he finished doing Snow White press, either. Most of the actors really only talk about it when they're asked, while they're promoting other stuff. Portman hasn't had anything to promote since, well, Thor. And she was super pregnant when she would have otherwise been doing the rounds for it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor/Sif works in the childhood sense because they are both hotheaded and arrogant. When Thor goes through his change and becomes a better person that perspective changes.
We've talked about all this stuff before and we both clearly have pretty strong feelings, so I know we're not gonna change each other's mind about anything. But this point in particular I disagree with from a narrative perspective. Good romances have a bit of conflict, and I liked that Sif embodied that godly arrogance and looked down on humanity, yet Thor loved her regardless. I like the stories where Thor/Blake tries to convince Sif that humanity is worthy of his love as much as she is. The OGN Thor: I, Whom the Gods Would Destroy is a particularly good example of this, in my opinion. Granted, Sif doesn't seem especially moved.

[American Maid]

Hemsworth hasn't really talked about it since he finished doing Snow White press, either. Most of the actors really only talk about it when they're asked, while they're promoting other stuff. Portman hasn't had anything to promote since, well, Thor. And she was super pregnant when she would have otherwise been doing the rounds for it.

Even Jaimie Alexander hasn't had anything to say since she posted the picture of Pygmalion from (I think) the Louvre and declared it to be Thor and Sif (ha!). And she usually has something to say.

It's possible that they want everyone to say as little as possible to avoid letting too many cats out of too many bags this far in advance of the movie's release.

[American Maid]

She's not Thor's true love in the myths either. He got around.


Viking men, as the scholars so charmingly put it, had access to other women outside their marriages, and it wasn't really considered adultery. Naturally, the same standard did not apply to Viking women.

Marriages in the Viking Age, like in many societies, was about securing larger family ties. I think they wanted to ensure they could live with each other when arranging marriages, but love wasn't really a consideration (though it undoubtedly happened among some matches).

As far as I know, there is not a tale among the myths in which Tor and Sif are not married (and, for example, dating, as it were).

Thor doesn't 'transition over time'. Jane gets ditched by Odin and Thor gets sent off with Sif in the very same issue. Keith Kincaid was never a tasteful send off, he was a plot device to section Jane off and away from Thor so Thor couldn't be with her even after they got their memories back.


I hadn't realized it was in the very same issue. But yes, as I understand, Kincaid is not so much a love interest as a McGuffin. And if you think about it, that's not really fair to him either.

But as I said earlier, it is possible for them to write it so that it unfolds more naturally, and in a more dignified way for everyone involved. (not that I want this to be the outcome, just that it's quite possible to do so)



Fraction for all his faults gets the dynamics right. The point of that relationship is to show us that Thor uses Sif as an emotional punching bag. There is no equality in character there. Sif is desperate for Thor and while Thor loves her greatly it isn't the same kind of affection. Fraction has Thor call Enchantress with the same endearment as Sif, 'woman'. Compare that to Thor's only scene with Jane under Fraction where he takes time to explain things to her and says 'Ah, good Jane'. Jane is a character who just won't accept being called 'woman', she will call him on it. 60's Jane was the same.


Well, I haven't read these other stories in Fraction's run (though I think I've seen the panel you describe regarding Thor and Jane), so it's hard for me to evaluate. Within this one July, 2011 issue, though, I do not get the sense that he is using Sif as an emotional punching bag. Most of their dialogue concerns this pathetic army that they're trying to train. Regarding emotional content, for Sif's part, she tells Thor that Loki, who is a child here, wants very badly to impress him. And then she expresses concern (matched by the artwork of her face) about a wound in his abdomen that he's clutching.

So I could see that being consistent with Sif being more emotionally invested in the relationship than Thor (though there could easily be other interpretations, too). But it doesn't look like abuse, at least from this one issue.

I don't get a strong sense that Thor loves her from this one issue, though I have seen isolated panels that are also clearly Coipel's art where he does state that. So I continue to not really understand why this is such a great, true love.

Regarding being called "woman" vs. calling Thor on it, I seriously doubt movie-Sif would put up with an insult. I have seen many panels of Jane not taking any nonsense from either villain or Hero, so I agree with your assessment there. (So between these two ladies, Our Hero might be in trouble! :yay:)


Thor/Sif works in the childhood sense because they are both hotheaded and arrogant. When Thor goes through his change and becomes a better person that perspective changes.

That may well be, though I will also say that cuts both ways. This is from an interview Kevin Feige did with Collider:

"Collider: How has Thor’s growth into a man shaping what you wanna do in the sequel, in terms of him being an adult?
"Feige: Well it's sort of the crux of the whole sequel. . . .it's Thor and Jane, to continue that dynamic. . . ."


That could be interpreted as asserting that Jane is Thor's love at the end of his adolescence, and in later movies, when he is an adult, maybe he feels differently.

However, you make a good point in that events of their childhood are on the order of a millennium ago. People change and grow apart. So maybe after I have a chance to read it I should also look around to see how their relationship is being portrayed now-a-days.

As I said, I don't really see how Sif is Thor's true love, especially from the material in the movie. But I'm willing to try to understand where people are coming from.

[American Maid]

Good romances have a bit of conflict, and I liked that Sif embodied that godly arrogance and looked down on humanity, yet Thor loved her regardless. I like the stories where Thor/Blake tries to convince Sif that humanity is worthy of his love as much as she is. The OGN Thor: I, Whom the Gods Would Destroy is a particularly good example of this, in my opinion. Granted, Sif doesn't seem especially moved.

True, although too much conflict and after a while it's just draining for the two parties.

And there is also potential for Thor and Jane not to see eye-to-eye on various things.

[metaphysician]

Just to mention, I thought the first movie made it pretty obvious that Sif had serious unresolved feelings towards Thor. There's a reason Sif talked with Frigga about Thor, and about "the mortal woman." Its just, Sif is *also* a friend and comrade and very much a tomboy, which complicates matters.

Basically, she's the Unlucky Childhood Friend.

[Chewy]

The friend zone.

[jaqua99]

I thought Natalie was good in the first one, and she had a fun, breezy chemistry with Hemsworth.

I know this is the land of Sif shippers but I doubt they'll kill off Jane, or break them up.

Oh they won't lol. I am not even in the fan of Sif, or hating Jane, I am just hating Natalie, I really don't like Natalie Portman. Her relationship with Thor seemed like a teenage girl, it seemed forced, and I really just didn't like it

The friend zone.

The worst feeling.

but who the hell would choose a mortal little doctor over a beautiful asgardian goddess?

[American Maid]

Just to mention, I thought the first movie made it pretty obvious that Sif had serious unresolved feelings towards Thor. There's a reason Sif talked with Frigga about Thor, and about "the mortal woman." Its just, Sif is *also* a friend and comrade and very much a tomboy, which complicates matters.

Basically, she's the Unlucky Childhood Friend.

Yes, you're right. Sif seems to have some unresolved feelings toward Thor. (Maybe enhanced by the thought toward the end of the movie that he no longer seemed to be as pompous as he had been--lol).

In my earlier comments, I was thinking more in terms of there doesn't seem to be much evidence in Thor1 for Thor having romantic feelings, unresolved or otherwise, toward Sif. It's more like she's one of his good friends.

[American Maid]

Oh they won't lol. I am not even in the fan of Sif, or hating Jane, I am just hating Natalie, I really don't like Natalie Portman. Her relationship with Thor seemed like a teenage girl, it seemed forced, and I really just didn't like it


Yeah, Jane was embarrassingly giggly. I'll point out though Thor had some awkward moments, too. And, I have to admit, I've been there, so I can't throw too many rocks--lol.

FWIW, I like Sif well enough. I think I will pick up that Journey into Mystery book that starts a story line focusing on her (November issue, I think), to learn more about her. It's just that I'm just pro-Jane.


but who the hell would choose a mortal little doctor over a beautiful asgardian goddess?

Well, near as I can tell, they are making no claims in the MCU about any Asgardian being a deity.

If one starts from the premise that Asgardian is always superior to Midgardian, then I guess the question is a no-brainer. I venture to say, though, that Thor is not operating from that premise. For example, he says, in TA, "We pretend on Asgard that we're more advanced"

One assumes all (most?) will be revealed when we finally get to see the film. . . .:yay:

[JB-the-Hunter]

Her relationship with Thor seemed like a teenage girl, it seemed forced, and I really just didn't like it

I don't see how a weird scientist girl with no social life falling for a GOD is forced. That's exactly how people like that act, regardless of age. Want proof? Tumblr. The place where lonely virgins get horny over beautiful people.

[American Maid]

I don't see how a weird scientist girl with no social life falling for a GOD is forced. That's exactly how people like that act, regardless of age. Want proof? Tumblr. The place where lonely virgins get horny over beautiful people.

People tend to feel that way when they first crush on people. Some people are less practiced at concealing it at various points in their lives. It's only human. And I have this recollection that Portman put that element in for similar reasons, with the aim of humanizing her character. (although, come to think of it, it's a little surprising, considering Jane had been married before)

And to be fair, the first film gives the impression that the attraction is not one-sided.

[TTFN]

Thor started the staring and flirting actually. Jane didn't care one bit about him until she saw him in the infrared images Darcy pointed out.

[TTFN]

I don't see how a weird scientist girl with no social life falling for a GOD is forced. That's exactly how people like that act, regardless of age. Want proof? Tumblr. The place where lonely virgins get horny over beautiful people.

That post was brilliant and so very true.

[jaqua99]

I don't see how a weird scientist girl with no social life falling for a GOD is forced. That's exactly how people like that act, regardless of age. Want proof? Tumblr. The place where lonely virgins get horny over beautiful people.

That's not what I am talking about. I'm talking about her acting dude. It didn't seem natural. It seemed forced.

[JB-the-Hunter]

No arguments there, not that I agree.

[jaqua99]

hence the key word "seemed" in my opinion

[American Maid]

This is in reply to a post that was originally in the Christopher Eccleston/Malekith thread.

On Jane as Thor's love interest, well, *sigh* I dont want to get people mad, but here I go (Sorry!) I really feel like she's served her purpose, making Thor fall in love with Earth and mortals. I mean can you really see them together when she's 80 and he's still young?

I think that's not automatically an insurmountable obstacle. (To be sure, I don't think it's automatically a surmountable obstacle either). I have heard (and if I were to poke around on Google, probably be able to come up with links) of stories where two people embrace each other as life partners even though one of the partners is terminally ill. Likely they will not make it to their 1-year anniversary. Yet they go ahead with it. Picking someone who is expected to have the same lifespan as you is no guarantee that they will. Sadly, I know several people who lost their partners far too early. And even if one is fortunate enough to get an "expected" lifetime with one's partner, when the end comes, it may well feel like the time was far, far too short. (In the myths, Odin's death is described as one of Frigg's great sorrows. So if Odin really does die in T:TDW, we may see Frigga devastated. And they had who knows how many millennia together.)

I can't see this relationship going into happily ever after territory, not at all. And that may be a big part of whatever personal struggles Thor has to deal with. .. . And perhaps he has trouble finding love again after that, because he is now afraid that anyone he falls for will be in grave danger all the time as well.

That could be. That would be a very interesting development. I'm not entirely opposed to it. It's just my preference would be for it to work out for Thor and Jane.

Realizing that being in a relationship with Jane puts her in an insane amount of danger since she is mortal, and it may be best to let her live her mortal life, than to cling to an idea of one with him that is doomed from the start.

Of course, it might be that what puts Jane in the most danger is not the fact that Thor kissed her hand, but, rather, the knowledge that is in her head. We're given to understand that what she's working on will be part of a big breakthrough. (Thor tells her that it's taken Midgard so many generations to get to this point in her research, that they're nearly there. Coulson says they moved Jane as soon as Loki took the doctor; they have overlapping areas of knowledge. And Thor tells the Fury et al that S.H.I.E.L.D.'s work on the Tesseract is a signal to all the realms that the Earth is ready for higher forms of war--ie, to encounter greater danger.) So maybe it's actually safer for Jane if word gets out that she's Thor's girl, as it were. :yay:

And not being in a relationship with Jane does not guarantee her safety. Bystanders get killed in these stories (I'm given to understand there will be some mention of that in Iron Man 3).

And I don't have the impression that lots of people make the case that Pepper should not be in a relationship with Tony because he encounters danger and she doesn't have any superhero abilities or tools to protect herself. The script just has Pepper get out of the way before any of that starts. (While it may be true that Iron Man's foes are in general less deadly than Thor's foes, for this purpose it doesn't matter. If they are lethal enough to kill the love interest, then dead is still dead.)

I do think done right, her dying could be very poignant and important to Thor's character motivation in future films.

Well, Jane not being Thor's love interest does not automatically mean Jane dies (though I have the impression that actors often like to do death scenes). I continue to think that if Jane ceases to be Thor's love interest, the most likely way it unfolds is that *Jane* decides it's not going to work. (That's not entirely out of step with how it originally happened, either.)

If they are not meant to be as a couple, then I would like Jane to be able to still make a contribution to the overall story, presumably through her expertise on portals.

That's not going to change unless they add some cheesy thing like Odin makes her an Asgardian (a tiny one at that!)

I agree that they would have to come up with something creative if they were to make her better able to fend for herself.

Thanks for the thoughts!

[elizah72]

No thank you. :)

[TomPiltoff]

Natalie Portman can go to hell, if the rumors are true about her not wanting to come back. You'd think she'd have learned from Star Wars and would have been wary of signing a multi-picture deal if she has a problem with being contractually obligated.

And again, as with Star Wars, we can look forward to a complete phoning it in performance from her since she doesn't want to be there.

[American Maid]

Natalie Portman can go to hell, if the rumors are true about her not wanting to come back. You'd think she'd have learned from Star Wars and would have been wary of signing a multi-picture deal if she has a problem with being contractually obligated.

And again, as with Star Wars, we can look forward to a complete phoning it in performance from her since she doesn't want to be there.

As I said over in the spoilers thread, I am skeptical that the rumors are true. I think she will be professional about her work.

[herolee10]

Could we not be so quick to judge the actress folks? I mean, this is all coming from one person's "speculations" about things for crying out loud.

Plus, while I can't find the link to the article, it was said that Natalie was more positive and happy about Thor 2 from last we heard since someone, I think it was Chris, or someone else, mentioned on how Portman had met with Alan to discuss Thor 2 in a meeting and she came out happy.

[Carlo Comicus]

I don't think this rumors is true.

[American Maid]

Plus, while I can't find the link to the article, it was said that Natalie was more positive and happy about Thor 2 from last we heard since someone, I think it was Chris, or someone else, mentioned on how Portman had met with Alan to discuss Thor 2 in a meeting and she came out happy.

That's my recollection also. Hemsworth recounted how he and Portman met with Alan Taylor about the plans for Thor2, and they came away happy with what they had in mind.

[Chewy]

lol

Some random blog wrote that Portman was forced to do Thor 2 against her wishes. Glad they got the scoop!

Never change, internet...

[TomPiltoff]

Could we not be so quick to judge the actress folks? I mean, this is all coming from one person's "speculations" about things for crying out loud.

Hence "if the rumors are true". ProTip: you have to read [I]all[I] the words.

Plus, while I can't find the link to the article, it was said that Natalie was more positive and happy about Thor 2 from last we heard since someone, I think it was Chris, or someone else, mentioned on how Portman had met with Alan to discuss Thor 2 in a meeting and she came out happy.

Oh wow, Chris Hemsworth said Natalie Portman was happy doing Thor 2 in an interview? Well there you do, straight from the horses mouth. It's not like actors have any sort of obligation to put a positive spin on the product, so you know it's the truth.

[herolee10]

Hence "if the rumors are true". ProTip: you have to read [I]all[I] the words.



Oh wow, Chris Hemsworth said Natalie Portman was happy doing Thor 2 in an interview? Well there you do, straight from the horses mouth. It's not like actors have any sort of obligation to put a positive spin on the product, so you know it's the truth.

Even so, it's a bit harsh or extreme to say that an actor should go to hell if they're not exactly invested in doing a film like every other cast member is.

Plus, I don't know about anyone else, but I rather put faith in Chris's words about something than believe the worlds of some internet writer who's just making assumptions and has no credibility.

[Rowsdower!]

Yes... let's dump the Oscar-winning actress because of some rumors and give more screentime to the blank-faced chick from the cancelled ABC Family TV series...

[eddy]

Your icon is very apt.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Hence "if the rumors are true". ProTip: you have to read [I]all[I] the words.



Oh wow, Chris Hemsworth said Natalie Portman was happy doing Thor 2 in an interview? Well there you do, straight from the horses mouth. It's not like actors have any sort of obligation to put a positive spin on the product, so you know it's the truth.

You might as well have left out the "if the rumors are true" part because it reads the same wither way.

[TomPiltoff]

You might as well have left out the "if the rumors are true" part because it reads the same wither way.

Uh, what? No, dude. See, words change things. Writing "if the rumors are true" is what's called qualifying a statement.

Plus, I don't know about anyone else, but I rather put faith in Chris's words about something than believe the worlds of some internet writer who's just making assumptions and has no credibility.

They're both suspect sources. The difference being that, whether she's unhappy or not, the lead actor would never come out and publicly rumor monger like that. It's basically part of his job to say 'we're all psyched to be back together!' when doing interviews for the movie. So that's going to be his line no matter what.