An idea crazy enough to work?

[DareDemon]

I want Spider-Man in the Marvel movies. Unfortunately, Sony still has the rights to him. However, Bendis' newly created Miles Morales should be owned by Marvel, correct? Maybe Miles Morales could be a Spider-Man for an Avengers sequel? They may not be able to call him Spider-Man, but maybe they could call him The Spider or Arachnoman (both names also from Ultimate Marvel).

He may not be Peter Parker, but in an Avengers movie they wouldn't focus a lot on Peter anyway. Just a Spider-Man being there would be nice until Marvel Studios gets the original back (God knows how long that'll be). Miles may not be a proven character yet, but I believe he will end up being great.

Also: Because Miles is so young, I don't think he'd actually be on the main roster. But he would still be cool to have in the movie, showing up during a fight. Or maybe SHIELD/The Avengers don't know how old he is so they just accept him helping in a fight he comes across. Whatever, I just want a Spider-Man!

[Hawkingbird]

Don't think it would work. Non-comic readers would be thinking "Who the hell is this?" and fans would just be ticked off that Marvel put a Spider-Man replacement in one of their major movies.
Also, I don't think Marvel will ever get the rights back to their characters, though I would love to be proved wrong.

[Troy_Parker]

No. If they're ever planning on using a Spider-Man they should use the Spider-Man.

[November Rain]

i'm forward thinking enough to allow it.

but it just depends wehtehr morales would fit into the avengers group, it certainly needs some diversity.

thor ironman captain america hulk and hawkeye are five white males.

they should spread the love out about

but aren't the rights to anything with spiderman in it completely gone.

they could go with a scarlet spider

[Guhndoi]

As much as I am looking forward to reading the New Spider-Man, I really don't see that working in the MCU. Especially without having Peter as Spidey first.

[Hawkingbird]

No. If they're ever planning on using a Spider-Man they should use the Spider-Man.

YES!:applaud:applaud

[Godzilla2000]

No...just....no! If any ethnic Spidey would be used, it should be Spidey 2099.

Anyways, the natural choice for an ethnic character to add to the Avengers lineup should be Black Panther, perhaps make him the focal point of conflict in the sequel.

[kedrell]

The only reason to include Spider-Man is to bring in the audience/fans he already has. So to do it you need the actual Spider-man, not what will be rightly considered a knock-off. BP is the better choice for diversity.

[bubbadoom]

You have a black Nick Fury - how many more black characters do you need? I am sure they will get around to guys like the Panther, the Falcon, female Captain Marvel, etc. in due time - why rush it or force the issue with this "Ultimate" version of Spider-Man who will be quickly gone and forgotten...

[chamber-music]

Spider-Man and Wolverine are only in the Avengers in the comics to boost sales anyway and there are plenty of Avengers characters like Black Panther, Wasp, Quicksilver, .Ms Marvel and Wonder Man that Marvel can use.
You have a black Nick Fury - how many more black characters do you need? I am sure they will get around to guys like the Panther, the Falcon, female Captain Marvel, etc. in due time - why rush it or force the issue with this "Ultimate" version of Spider-Man who will be quickly gone and forgotten...

What do you mean by how many black characters do you need :huh:

There isn't a limit or anything

[Lord]

spider-man and wolverine should have never been part of the Avengers, if they did appear it should be in an event movie, not and avengers one. And if Spider-man is use it should be Peter Parker.

[webhead9707]

i'm forward thinking enough to allow it.

but it just depends wehtehr morales would fit into the avengers group, it certainly needs some diversity.

thor ironman captain america hulk and hawkeye are five white males.

they should spread the love out about

but aren't the rights to anything with spiderman in it completely gone.

they could go with a scarlet spider

Samuel L Jackson is black enough to count for SIX people.xD

[K'Prime]

I think because miles morales is part of the spider-man universe he can't be used in a movie.then again i'm not really sure at all about how the movie agreement works.seems like one hell of an iron clad contract

[Pink Ranger]

You might as well forget about diversity arguments when talking about comic book movies. It's a non-starter.

[DrCosmic]

I want Spider-Man in the Marvel movies. Unfortunately, Sony still has the rights to him. However, Bendis' newly created Miles Morales should be owned by Marvel, correct? Maybe Miles Morales could be a Spider-Man for an Avengers sequel? They may not be able to call him Spider-Man, but maybe they could call him The Spider or Arachnoman (both names also from Ultimate Marvel).

He may not be Peter Parker, but in an Avengers movie they wouldn't focus a lot on Peter anyway. Just a Spider-Man being there would be nice until Marvel Studios gets the original back (God knows how long that'll be). Miles may not be a proven character yet, but I believe he will end up being great.

Also: Because Miles is so young, I don't think he'd actually be on the main roster. But he would still be cool to have in the movie, showing up during a fight. Or maybe SHIELD/The Avengers don't know how old he is so they just accept him helping in a fight he comes across. Whatever, I just want a Spider-Man!

Any and all things Spider-Man are part of the deal, I don't know if it includes new characters, but seeing as how Fox owned Darwin, who wasn't created until after they got the rights to make the movies, I suspect that the deals with Fox and Sony are for ALL things related to those properties. Even if it weren't, he couldn't be called Spider-Man or Scarlet Spider. They'd have to make up a new name, and still risk being sued by Sony for potentially stealing fans from Spider-Man.

I don't think Avengers works for teenage characters. It's a bit heftier than that, with the military angle. I like Miles Morales, and I don't think he's any less a Spidey than Peter, but the idea, unfortunately, isn't quite crazy enough to work, legally or thematically.

If it's a diversity issue, Black FRIKKIN Panther is waiting in the wings (since Fury is just a supporting overseer, not an active member). If it's a Spider-Man thing, then we can't have him, he's off limits.

[Omega Red]

I want Spider-Man in the Marvel movies. Unfortunately, Sony still has the rights to him. However, Bendis' newly created Miles Morales should be owned by Marvel, correct? Maybe Miles Morales could be a Spider-Man for an Avengers sequel? They may not be able to call him Spider-Man, but maybe they could call him The Spider or Arachnoman (both names also from Ultimate Marvel).

He may not be Peter Parker, but in an Avengers movie they wouldn't focus a lot on Peter anyway. Just a Spider-Man being there would be nice until Marvel Studios gets the original back (God knows how long that'll be). Miles may not be a proven character yet, but I believe he will end up being great.

Also: Because Miles is so young, I don't think he'd actually be on the main roster. But he would still be cool to have in the movie, showing up during a fight. Or maybe SHIELD/The Avengers don't know how old he is so they just accept him helping in a fight he comes across. Whatever, I just want a Spider-Man!


I like the idea and it would be the great spot for Daniel Glover, But it wouldn't happen

[MarvelKnight]

The Avengers Comics, are too diluted in my opinion. Everyone who is anyone is an avenger and it's a little old and boring to me. As far as the movies go, I would love to see additional characters in the movie if they can actually add to the quality of the film, but keeping the principle team as the focus is paramount, imo.

Maybe have the option to sub out Hulk if he decides to fight the rest of the team(hopefully they go that route at some point) and fill his spot, but I think Quality over Quantity is the way to do it. Whatever they decide, this movie is going to be sick!

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, I really hate how Wolverine of all people is now an Avenger. I remember Captain America once telling Wolverine that he better hope the X-Men don't ever get sick and tired of him, because the Avengers will never take him in. Come to think of it, I also remember Captain America once telling Spider-Man that he's not Avengers material because he's not powerful enough (Say wha-?!?). And yet here we are and both Spider-Man and Wolverine are now Avengers. *sigh* Oh yeah, and isn't Spider-Man a member of the Fantastic Four now, too (Nevermind that Wolverine was also a member of the Fantastic Four at one point. Geeze, doesn't Marvel ever get tired of whoring Wolverine out)?

[Captain Marvel]

Getting a bit on-topic, there're better ways of bringing more diversity to the Avengers then introducing a cheap knock-off Spider-Man to the team, which you know will only piss people off. Honestly, we're not even talking the hardcore fans. The general audience all know Peter Parker as Spider-Man. That's who they've seen in all the movies, in all the cheap made for tv movies, in all the various Saturday morning cartoons which have aired the past few DECADES, etc. They're not going to accept Miles Morales. Especially not when they can wait two weeks and go see a movie with the REAL Spider-Man.

Better options for diversity would be to have REAL Avengers on the team, rather than crappy Ultimates knockoffs. Black Panther and Luke Cage are two obvious choices. And we all know that once Robert Downey Jr. is done playing Iron Man, War Machine is going to step in and be an Avenger. There's also Photon and Falcon, and that's just for a start. Better that route than having two Spider-Men competing against each other, with the Marvel Cinematic Universe tainting itself with the cheap, crappy Spider-Man counterpart while Sony is running around with the real thing.

[MarvelKnight]

Back to SM, I read about rumors of a Garfield sighting in the movie, similar to Wolverine in XM:FC, but Whedon shot those down flat as of Jan 31st of this new year.

If they go the route of Ultron in A2, I wouldn't mind at all seeing Vision become an Avenger.

[Midnyte_Sun]

You know what could work? Avengers and the Transformers. I think they are both distributed by Paramount. Just throwing it out there. lol

[Guerrilla]

You have a black Nick Fury - how many more black characters do you need? I am sure they will get around to guys like the Panther, the Falcon, female Captain Marvel, etc. in due time - why rush it or force the issue with this "Ultimate" version of Spider-Man who will be quickly gone and forgotten...
ummm...panther should be in because he is awesome and for no other reason.

[roach]

Any and all things Spider-Man are part of the deal, I don't know if it includes new characters, but seeing as how Fox owned Darwin, who wasn't created until after they got the rights to make the movies, I suspect that the deals with Fox and Sony are for ALL things related to those properties. Even if it weren't, he couldn't be called Spider-Man or Scarlet Spider. They'd have to make up a new name, and still risk being sued by Sony for potentially stealing fans from Spider-Man.

I don't think Avengers works for teenage characters. It's a bit heftier than that, with the military angle. I like Miles Morales, and I don't think he's any less a Spidey than Peter, but the idea, unfortunately, isn't quite crazy enough to work, legally or thematically.

If it's a diversity issue, Black FRIKKIN Panther is waiting in the wings (since Fury is just a supporting overseer, not an active member). If it's a Spider-Man thing, then we can't have him, he's off limits.

Spider-man and all related characters are licensed by Sony

[dbxkilla]

fox is not gonna give the rights to spider-man until the marvel cinematic universe is done and that might not happen for another decade so they should just focus on there lesser known heroes like black panther, ms. marvel, and doctor strange

[Donnie Darko]

Race isn't the only kind of diversity. Let's get another woman in there, too.

[RockSP]

Race isn't the only kind of diversity. Let's get another woman in there, too.

I'd be very surprised if this doesn't happen.

[jaqua99]

No Spiderman in any avengers movie. Period. READ THIS MARVEL. DONT DO IT!

[NoirMan82]

Any and all things Spider-Man are part of the deal, I don't know if it includes new characters, but seeing as how Fox owned Darwin, who wasn't created until after they got the rights to make the movies, I suspect that the deals with Fox and Sony are for ALL things related to those properties. Even if it weren't, he couldn't be called Spider-Man or Scarlet Spider. They'd have to make up a new name, and still risk being sued by Sony for potentially stealing fans from Spider-Man.

I don't think Avengers works for teenage characters. It's a bit heftier than that, with the military angle. I like Miles Morales, and I don't think he's any less a Spidey than Peter, but the idea, unfortunately, isn't quite crazy enough to work, legally or thematically.

If it's a diversity issue, Black FRIKKIN Panther is waiting in the wings (since Fury is just a supporting overseer, not an active member). If it's a Spider-Man thing, then we can't have him, he's off limits.

If I recall correctly, Kevin Feige once said that Sony has the right to make solo Spider-Man films, but if Marvel wanted to include him in the Avengers, it would technically be legal. Of course, you know Sony would get pissed and probably sue Marvel regardless.

[OB12]

If I recall correctly, Kevin Feige once said that Sony has the right to make solo Spider-Man films, but if Marvel wanted to include him in the Avengers, it would technically be legal. Of course, you know Sony would get pissed and probably sue Marvel regardless.


I don't think Sony would be pissed. In fact, I believe there have probably already been talks and negotiations between Sony and Marvel to include Garfields Spidey in the MCU, but maybe not necessarily an Avengers movie. With as popular as The Avengers has been and as much money as it has made and given the recent financial troubles of Sony Pictures, they may see an opportunity to capitalize on that popularity and boost Spider-Man.

[roach]

If Sony wanted to use Avengers to boost Spider-man's popularity then they missed that boat

[OB12]

If Sony wanted to use Avengers to boost Spider-man's popularity then they missed that boat


How so? Will The Avengers cease to be popular in the future?

[Majik1387]

If Sony wanted to use Avengers to boost Spider-man's popularity then they missed that boat
Maybe for the upcoming Amazing Spider-Man, but not for future movies.
I would adore if Marvel Studios could work out a deal with Sony to use Andrew Garfield as Spider-man.:up:
None of this Miles whoever crap.:down

[MarvelKnight]

I love Spider-Man. love love love Spider-man. I have no problem with Spider-Man being in the MCU.. in his little corner with his own Adventures. But he should never. Ever. Be an Avenger.

If sony really signed the rights contract with the "Spider-Man can be used by marvel if it is a team-up like avengers" stipulation in there, their lawyers and heads of the company are IDIOTS and should be fired. How dumb, imo.

Anyway, I don't think Spider-Man is never going to Marvel ever again, and I don't think Sony was dumb enough to 'Let spidey go galavant with other heroes' from marvel either.

I am looking forward to TASM a bit more now though.

[OB12]

Yeah, I don't think Spider-Man works as a full-fledged Avenger but being incorporated into the MCU would be mutually beneficial for both Sony and Marvel/Disney. I could however see an Avengers 3 where an "all hands on deck" scenario, possibly because of Thanos, would require Spidey to make a cameo appearance lending a hand.

[MarvelKnight]

Eh, if by cameo, you mean flashing by a TV and hearing a newscaster saying 'A man dressed like a spider saved some people from..whatever" I'm all for it. I don't need/want spider-man in anything avengers related.

But I get what you're saying. Kind of like in X-men:TAS during the phoenix saga when the universe was being pulled into the M'Krann Crystal; they flashed to different parts of the world, you saw sunfire(I think) deflecting fire rocks from a volcano, thor was shown, and spider-man wascatching someone(or something) with his webbing can't remember, as the world was turning to ****. I could see something like that probably working, as long as they didn't feel obligated to write him into another movie as a full character.

I'm sure it would work and I'm sure I'd even enjoy it. But, that doesn't mean they should do it, and hopefully it never comes to that.

[Incredible Hans]

IF (!) it really has to be, I'd prefer Wolverine over Spider-Man in an Avengers movie.

[MarvelKnight]

IF (!) it really has to be, I'd prefer Wolverine over Spider-Man in an Avengers movie.
I agree. It's the lesser of two evils sort of mentality for me.

[OB12]

I don't see that at all. Wolverine doesn't fit nearly as well as Spider-Man. Anyway, the only reason this is being discussed at all is because it seems like Sony has a decent working relationship with Marvel. Fox's relationship with Marvel seems far more guarded and distant.

[Majik1387]

I'd rather Wolverine learn how to work on a team in the X-movies, not Avengers. :o

[MarvelKnight]

Neither should be on the team. Period. lol

[Avenger]

Neither should be on the team. Period. lolAgreed.

[Majik1387]

Again, disagreed. I don't like Spidey as a staple member, but I'm fine with him aiding in another alien battle.

[roach]

Neither should be on the team. Period. lol

there are plenty of other Avengers that should be on the team before Wolverine and spider-man show up

[Superhero 101]

If Spiderman and Wolverine were to appear in a Avenger movie the movie would make a lot and i mean a lot of money but i don't think that would happen until they rebooted the Avengers

[roach]

yes because Avengers needs help making money

[MarvelKnight]

there are plenty of other Avengers that should be on the team before Wolverine and spider-man show up

Si, Correcto.

[roach]

Si, Correcto.

Antman/Giantman
Wasp
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Captain Marvel/Photon
Black Panther
Wonderman
Shehulk
Namor
Hercules
Quasar
Yellow Jacket
Star Fox
Crystal
Sersi
Mockingbird
Black Knight
Falcon
Hellcat


....when these guys show up then do Spidey and Logan

[MarvelKnight]

Antman/Giantman
Wasp
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Captain Marvel/Photon
Black Panther
Wonderman
Shehulk
Namor
Hercules
Quasar
Yellow Jacket
Star Fox
Crystal
Sersi
Mockingbird
Black Knight
Falcon
Hellcat


....when these guys show up then do Spidey and Logan

Don't need to see QS as an avenger. Always thought he was a better villain. Wonder-man I don't particularly care either way, but it sounds like he won't be in this MCU any time soon.

But I get the gist and I predominately agree, all of them basically before those 2.

[roach]

Don't need to see QS as an avenger. Always thought he was a better villain. Wonder-man I don't particularly care either way, but it sounds like he won't be in this MCU any time soon.

But I get the gist and I predominately agree, all of them basically before those 2.

Marvel is taking pitches for a solo Quicksilver movie

Wonder-man is awesome

[MarvelKnight]

Marvel is taking pitches for a solo Quicksilver movie

Wonder-man is awesome

Never said I didn't like Wonder-Man just don't particularly care if he makes it into the MCU or not.

They are eh? For me, as soon as you can't mention he is a mutant, it's dead in the water for me.

[slim_summers]

I love Spidey but never want to see him or Wolverine as Avengers in the movies. Wolvie as an Avenger in the comics still makes me cringe.