Ghost Rider 2 In The Works - Part 2

[ThePowerCosmic]

That looked poorly shot, didn't like it at all. Ghost Rider looked great, but I'm not sure I like the look of the movie now that I've seen footage. Wonder why I didn't pick up on that in the trailer.

[Midnyte_Sun]

I think it looked freakin epic.

[marcvader]

That looked poorly shot, didn't like it at all. Ghost Rider looked great, but I'm not sure I like the look of the movie now that I've seen footage. Wonder why I didn't pick up on that in the trailer.

I agree, something looked off. Don't know if it was the lighting or a filter or who knows what. GR did look bad ass though.

[GDM]

That looked poorly shot, didn't like it at all. Ghost Rider looked great, but I'm not sure I like the look of the movie now that I've seen footage. Wonder why I didn't pick up on that in the trailer.

Well the movie is filmed in 2.35:1 aspect ratio, and the image we are seeing there is pretty heavily cropped, so you don' see the whole image which is why it probably looks off a bit.

[BigThor]

I didn't find anything wrong with it, the scene looks pretty good in my opinion.

Ghost Rider looks amazing (the new skull design is top notch) I was afraid his flames were gonna be small in this film, well I don't have to worry about that anymore.

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

[RED_Rider]

GR looked beyond awesome but sadly I also think that something felt off about the scene. Hopefully we'll get direct feed video or a new trailer soon.

[Figs]

I just saw the rerun of the Spike Scream awards and got to see the footage finally. I'm still pumped to see this film, but the footage did look "off" as others have said. By off I mean it looked a little too much like a made for TV movie, not Ghost Rider himself of course.

My roommate says "this looks cheap", only thing I could tell her was that it was in fact filmed on a cheap budget.

[Mace Dolex]

Saw the preview on Scream (if you can call that snippet a preview), looks like crud but I'll watch it anyway with jelly beans in handy.

[RedIsNotBlue]

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=21534

That headline gave me a little chuckle. The clip was badass by the way.

[RED_Rider]

Here is a link for direct feed footage. Looks kinda better:
http://media.filmz.ru/video/g/ghostrider2_SA11.flv

[RedIsNotBlue]

I love the little details like the char and jacket bubbling.

[marcvader]

Love the black smoke he emits.

[RED_Rider]

Might be a strange question but does anyone know the aspect ratio of the final film? I know it's not a big factor for many but I really prefer 2.39 to 16:9.

Seeing the first trailer in 2.39 was a pleasant surprise but sadly this new footage is 16:9.

[CelticPredator]

You guys should've expected this. It's been Mark and Brian's style since Crank. Looks good.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Didnt mind the clip and didnt see the complaints about it, looked okay to me.

[BigThor]

That shot at the end of Ghost Rider slowly turning his head towards the camera is my favorite GR "face shot" so far.

[Midnyte_Sun]

My favorite part was when he blasted with his bike over the henchmen. That's how you make an entrance!

[BigThor]

My favorite part was when he blasted with his bike over the henchmen. That's how you make an entrance!

I really hope GR's bike does some spectacular things in this film, he rode it up a building and on water in the first one.

The only other thing for it to do is fly, but I doubt that's going to happen so I'm hoping it does both or atleast one of those things again.

[Midnyte_Sun]

He can use it as a weapon like in the comic. Personally, I hope he rides it up walls,

[BigThor]

Yeah, I'd also like to see him ride his bike on top of water but I haven't seen a large body of water in this film yet.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Well he did have to cross the Atlantic Ocean somehow. Maybe we'll see him riding the waves and a whale lol.

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/7351/ghostaquaman.jpg

[BigThor]

LMAO at Ghost Rider on the back of a whale, I wonder if those flamming wheels are hurting that whale.

On another note, I wonder how much heavy lifting GR is going to do in this film (vehicles, stone columns, trees etc.)

[BigThor]

Here's some news on a contest Sony created which requires the contestants to design a poster for Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance.

http://movies.about.com/b/2011/10/21/ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-poster-contest.htm

[DarkSovereignty]

LMAO at Ghost Rider on the back of a whale, I wonder if those flamming wheels are hurting that whale.

On another note, I wonder how much heavy lifting GR is going to do in this film (vehicles, stone columns, trees etc.)
only if its soul is stained with the blood of the innocent and all that. unless he's been a naughty whale, he should be fine.

[BigThor]

only if its soul is stained with the blood of the innocent and all that. unless he's been a naughty whale, he should be fine.

A whale who's soul has been stained by the blood of the innocent, now that's funny (and scary).

[Midnyte_Sun]

Moby Dick?

[Microchip]

Well the movie is filmed in 2.35:1 aspect ratio, and the image we are seeing there is pretty heavily cropped, so you don' see the whole image which is why it probably looks off a bit.
Agreed, that was my first thought. Movies chopped down for TV or fullscreen DVDs always look a bit cheap, no matter what. And the directors are known for experimental composition of shots. I think it looks good, aside from the one shot where the guy with the rifle falls back in shock. THAT looked a bit cheap, no matter how you cut it. Still can't wait!

[BigThor]

Moby Dick?

Hahahahahaha :lmao:

[Midnyte_Sun]

He did destroy a boat and eat a man's leg. That's gotta be a sin.

[BigThor]

He did destroy a boat and eat a man's leg. That's gotta be a sin.

Why yes it is :word:

[Midnyte_Sun]

Teaser Trailer Breakdown with the Directors:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/21/rewind-theater-ghost-rider-2

SCREAM Awards Nic Cage and New Footage Segment

http://www.mediamaxonline.com/dailybuzz/play/broadcast/223603.wmv

[RED_Rider]

Hopefully the final film is released in 2.35:1 so the frames can look normal.

[BigThor]

Hopefully the final film is released in 2.35:1 so the frames can look normal.

Yeah, because the frames in the trailer definately look more professional than the footage shown at the Scream Awards (even the scenes that were used in both).

[TheDragonator]

I showed the fan poster contest to Hobo, he said he was going to try it out.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Right on

[CelticPredator]

So am I. I need to think of something really, really creative.

[Elevator Man]

Since nobody's mention this yet. Looks like GR:SOV has a composer. Dave Sardy.

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2011/10/21/david-sardy-to-score-ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance/#more-6286

[TheWiseGuy487]

Since nobody's mention this yet. Looks like GR:SOV has a composer. Dave Sardy.

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2011/10/21/david-sardy-to-score-ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance/#more-6286

I looked him up to see what kind of stuff he's done, and I found a Zombieland track and listened to it.

Definitely looking forward to see what kind of music he brings to this film.

[Elevator Man]

I looked him up to see what kind of stuff he's done, and I found a Zombieland track and listened to it.

Definitely looking forward to see what kind of music he brings to this film.

He also produced this "great" Danny Elfman song from Wanted. I also think Sardy's performing the guitar on this as well.

XgFAHVJKjkk

[RED_Rider]

Christopher Young's music for previous GR film was pretty good IMO. It was badly used in the film IMO but the music itself along with the main theme did fit the character.

Hopefully this one can be even better. LOVED Zombieland and its soundtrack.

[BigThor]

"Ghost Riders In The Sky" is still one of my favorite end credits CMB movie songs off all time, along with "Iron Man" in the first Iron Man and "Hero" in Spider-Man.

[Elevator Man]

Christopher Young's music for previous GR film was pretty good IMO. It was badly used in the film IMO but the music itself along with the main theme did fit the character.

Hopefully this one can be even better. LOVED Zombieland and its soundtrack.

Never was impressed with Young's score for GR. It made the already "cheesy" movie "extra cheesy". It's a shame too b/c he was a perfect fit for this being the man responsible for the first two Hellraiser scores. Sure the score was Morricone-esque and Beltrami-esque (who would've been an interesting choice for both GR movies) at times, but it wasn't dark, edgy, menacing, or sinister enough for the character, imo. It could've brought something the film was really lacking. Instead he just enhanced the problems I have with the film.

Sardy's score for the re-quel will most likely be composed on synthesisers with electric guitars and any other instruments I'd expect to hear from a rock band. With some hard rock songs thrown in between. Could work. Wonder if he'll give GR a theme.

[RED_Rider]

Never was impressed with Young's score for GR. It made the already "cheesy" movie "extra cheesy". It's a shame too b/c he was a perfect fit for this being the man responsible for the first two Hellraiser scores. Sure the score was Morricone-esque and Beltrami-esque (who would've been an interesting choice for both GR movies) at times, but it wasn't dark, edgy, menacing, or sinister enough for the character, imo. It could've brought something the film was really lacking. Instead he just enhanced the problems I have with the film.

Sardy's score for the re-quel will most likely be composed on synthesisers with electric guitars and any other instruments I'd expect to hear from a rock band. With some hard rock songs thrown in between. Could work. Wonder if he'll give GR a theme.

I still think it was the bad use of the music that made it seem bad. Listened to the soundtrack a long time ago but definitely remember hearing stuff that felt was misused. The soundtrack itself is nothing if not used properly. That's why something like Social Network is a one in a million. A soundtrack that's uber awesome that is actually used perfectly in service of the movie and its themes.

As for Sardy, really REALLY hope he'll make a unique and memorable GR theme.

[S.A.A.D.]

Christopher Young's old stuff is great. Hellraiser, Hellraiser II, The Fly II, A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge, Tales From The Hood. :up:

[CelticPredator]

His Drag Me to Hell score is badass as well.

[CelticPredator]

Heres a poster I whipped up. Opinions are not only welcomed...but needed...:o :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/CelticPredator/GhostRiderPosterWIPgRIDER_editedB-2.jpg

[RED_Rider]

Nice work though the "Take the Ride" font and placement feel wrong IMO.

[CelticPredator]

I felt that...but for some reason I dug it.

It's still a WIP.

[BigThor]

I felt that...but for some reason I dug it.

It's still a WIP.

Yeah I agree with Red Rider, I think the font should be more similar to the font used in the title of the movie.

I still think it's a great poster overall, it's quite badass if in my humble opinion.

[cherokeesam]

Never was impressed with Young's score for GR. It made the already "cheesy" movie "extra cheesy". It's a shame too b/c he was a perfect fit for this being the man responsible for the first two Hellraiser scores. Sure the score was Morricone-esque and Beltrami-esque (who would've been an interesting choice for both GR movies) at times, but it wasn't dark, edgy, menacing, or sinister enough for the character, imo. It could've brought something the film was really lacking. Instead he just enhanced the problems I have with the film.

Sardy's score for the re-quel will most likely be composed on synthesisers with electric guitars and any other instruments I'd expect to hear from a rock band. With some hard rock songs thrown in between. Could work. Wonder if he'll give GR a theme.

I was totally disappointed with GR's soundtrack. This is a franchise that DEFINITELY needs to be all about the heaviest of metal, and yet the best they could drum up was some old school classic rock --- and not even appropriate classic rock. ZZ Top's "Tush"? Um, no. Spiderbait? Um....what? Who? AC/DC "Highway to Hell?" Yes, please. Slayer? Yes, please. Avenged Sevenfold? Yes, please. Maiden? Sabbath? Ozzy? Metallica? Mastodon? Priest? Now you're on the right track.

[DarkSovereignty]

I was totally disappointed with GR's soundtrack. This is a franchise that DEFINITELY needs to be all about the heaviest of metal, and yet the best they could drum up was some old school classic rock --- and not even appropriate classic rock. ZZ Top's "Tush"? Um, no. Spiderbait? Um....what? Who? AC/DC "Highway to Hell?" Yes, please. Slayer? Yes, please. Avenged Sevenfold? Yes, please. Maiden? Sabbath? Ozzy? Metallica? Mastodon? Priest? Now you're on the right track.
yeah....no. but agreed on the rest. but please no screamo.

[RED_Rider]

I actually disagree with most of metal choices. While a little hard stuff won't hurt, the GR should have dark gothic tunes to support the horror themes of the character. Symphonic stuff would be great too IMO.

[BigThor]

While a little hard stuff won't hurt, the GR should have dark gothic tunes to support the horror themes of the character.

I agree :up:

[ThePowerCosmic]

I actually disagree with most of metal choices. While a little hard stuff won't hurt, the GR should have dark gothic tunes to support the horror themes of the character. Symphonic stuff would be great too IMO.

Exactly, Ghost Rider's a horror character that exists in a dark world. He's not an all out rocker.

[S.A.A.D.]

Dark Ambient would definitely suit a Ghost Rider movie. It pisses me off when some people suggest Metal or Rock music when it comes to a comic book movie if they aren't suggesting Orchestra music. :cmad:
**** crappy modern mainstream music!!!!!

[RED_Rider]

Dark Ambient, gothic and orchestra FTW!

BTW, will we get the GR2 trailer before November? Someone should tell the studios that Halloween is really close and GR2 is kind of a horror film. Puss in Boots and In Time are opening this week and neither are Sony titles.

[redhawk23]

Compromise, Apocalyptica- Chello Metal!

[BigThor]

Dark Ambient, gothic and orchestra FTW!

BTW, will we get the GR2 trailer before November? Someone should tell the studios that Halloween is really close and GR2 is kind of a horror film. Puss in Boots and In Time are opening this week and neither are Sony titles.

Agreed :ghost:

I was hoping it would be released sometime this week, but there's always next week.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Taylor/Neveldine: Blackout isn't based on the Comic

Watch the interview below:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/10/27/ghost-rider-blackout/

[samsnee]

Anyone really surprised by this?

[BigThor]

I think it's crazy to make a comic book film and not do research on the characters you're going to use, but hopefully their idea ends up being awesome.

[gkokujin]

just like Ang Lee's hulk

this will be AWESOME.

[RED_Rider]

Ok, this new bit of news REALLY sucks. WTF were they thinking? Also, revealing this news right now will really hurt the potential sales. I know a lot of hardcore comic fans will probably start badmouthing it from now and create an even bigger negative buzz surrounding the movie. They haven't seen it and it will hopefully be great but releasing news like this doesn't help the hype.

[BigThor]

Ok, this new bit of news REALLY sucks. WTF were they thinking? Also, revealing this news right now will really hurt the potential sales. I know a lot of hardcore comic fans will probably start badmouthing it from now and create an even bigger negative buzz surrounding the movie. They haven't seen it and it will hopefully be great but releasing news like this doesn't help the hype.

It really doesn't, it makes the directors seem like they don't have alot of respect for the source material (which is probably true).

[NDX]

just like Ang Lee's hulk

this will be AWESOME.
Man, I would love if GR2 was that good.

[BigThor]

A Ghost Rider film will never be anything like Ang Lee's Hulk, the style just wouldn't fit Rider's character.

[WarBlade]

Anyone really surprised by this?

Given the trailer shot of Blackout standing in broad daylight, the directors might as well have said, "We really didn't care about researching anything," right there. :doh:

[Whiskey Tango]

Great call. Everyone knows how much fans ****ing HATE IT when your comic book movie respects the source material. Looks like we dodged the bullet this time. Thanks Neveldine & Taylor!

[GhostPoet]

And this is why Marvel Studios should be the only studio to even TOUCH Marvel characters. sigh

[ThePowerCosmic]

Guys, seriously? These directors deviate from the source material all of the time. Don't even act surprised, this thing about Blackout was mentioned by them a while back. Most of you are probably still going to see it anyway.

[RED_Rider]

It really doesn't, it makes the directors seem like they don't have alot of respect for the source material (which is probably true).
I really think if you're going to make any adaptation, you should at least try to respect the source material. I'm not a super hardcore GR fan so this doesn't really offend me but if they were talking about Deadpool... THERE WOULD BE BLOOD!!!!

Maybe this interview won't hurt the sales but still, it makes me really sad :(

[samsnee]

They didn't really care about Ghost Rider. They just wanted to make an action movie, and shoehorn Ghost Rider into it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Don't jump to conclusions.

[Whiskey Tango]

Guys, seriously? These directors deviate from the source material all of the time.

Aye, that's how we end up with classic films like Catwoman and Jonah Hex. They should know better.

Don't even act surprised, this thing about Blackout was mentioned by them a while back.

First I've heard of it. Not everyone gets these news tidbits beamed straight into their brains.

Most of you are probably still going to see it anyway.

Maybe. Doesn't change the lack of respect they're showing for the character and mythos though.

[Destructus86]

The scene of Ghost Rider pissing fire is symbolic of their opinion of the characters comic lore.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Aye, that's how we end up with classic films like Catwoman and Jonah Hex. They should know better.
It's also how we end up with movies like X-Men, X2, First Class, Spider-Man 1-2, etc. Every comicbook movie deviates from the source material somehow. It's really nothing new.


First I've heard of it. Not everyone gets these news tidbits beamed straight into their brains.
People have that sort of technology these days? And to think, I got it from reading about it on the internet. Huh. Guess I need to make an upgrade.



Maybe. Doesn't change the lack of respect they're showing for the character and mythos though.
At least wait until the movie releases until you start bashing these guys for their lack of respect. Might surprise you.

[The Overlord]

Great call. Everyone knows how much fans ****ing HATE IT when your comic book movie respects the source material. Looks like we dodged the bullet this time. Thanks Neveldine & Taylor!

Except they changed Whiplash and Sebastian Shaw for the movies and I think those changes worked. really Blackout is pretty minor Marvel character and I think they could change him and make it work.

[RED_Rider]

The change itself is NOT the problem. The lack of respect and refusing to research is the problem. Films like First Class or X2 did their homework before changing stuff.

It's not like Singer just decided to not look at any X-Men comic and then make Striker the way he did. You can change anything you want but DON'T disrespect the source.
I'm not really exaggerating when I say after these words their movie looks a whole lot less appealing to me.

[BigThor]

The change itself is NOT the problem. The lack of respect and refusing to research is the problem. Films like First Class or X2 did their homework before changing stuff.

It's not like Singer just decided to not look at any X-Men comic and then make Striker the way he did. You can change anything you want but DON'T disrespect the source.

You just hit the nail on the head, because changes can turn out to be for the better as long as they are INFORMED changes.

[Whiskey Tango]

The change itself is NOT the problem. The lack of respect and refusing to research is the problem. Films like First Class or X2 did their homework before changing stuff.

It's not like Singer just decided to not look at any X-Men comic and then make Striker the way he did. You can change anything you want but DON'T disrespect the source.
I'm not really exaggerating when I say after these words their movie looks a whole lot less appealing to me.

This.

[Microchip]

They didn't really care about Ghost Rider. They just wanted to make an action movie, and shoehorn Ghost Rider into it.
I think that's about 80% true, but if by some wild chance this is a great movie and becomes a box office smash (I know, unlikely) then we'll probably see a lot of their 'changes' applied to the actual comic book, so as to intice people who start reading it for the first time.

They've also got a bit of benefit of the doubt from the G.A., because I doubt very many people know much about Ghost Rider beyond that he's a tough scary skeleton monster that rides a motorbike. They could have Billy Dee Williams do the voiceover while as Ghost Rider, and most people would just be like "oh, I guess that's how Ghost Rider sounds"

[ThePowerCosmic]

I think that's about 80% true, but if by some wild chance this is a great movie and becomes a box office smash (I know, unlikely) then we'll probably see a lot of their 'changes' applied to the actual comic book, so as to intice people who start reading it for the first time.

They've also got a bit of benefit of the doubt from the G.A., because I doubt very many people know much about Ghost Rider beyond that he's a tough scary skeleton monster that rides a motorbike. They could have Billy Dee Williams do the voiceover while as Ghost Rider, and most people would just be like "oh, I guess that's how Ghost Rider sounds"

:lmao:

[The Overlord]

The change itself is NOT the problem. The lack of respect and refusing to research is the problem. Films like First Class or X2 did their homework before changing stuff.

It's not like Singer just decided to not look at any X-Men comic and then make Striker the way he did. You can change anything you want but DON'T disrespect the source.
I'm not really exaggerating when I say after these words their movie looks a whole lot less appealing to me.

Fair enough, I had no faith in this movie ever, so I don't care much about these changes, keeping Blackout the same wouldn't fix the far more massive problems I have heard about the production of this movie.

[BigThor]

Fair enough, I had no faith in this movie ever, so I don't care much about these changes, keeping Blackout the same wouldn't fix the far more massive problems I have heard about the production of this movie.

Which are?

[The Overlord]

Which are?

The fact they slashed the budget for this film, I'm pretty sure that's been discussed on this thread.

[Nathan]

What was the original budget and what did it get reduced to?

[The Overlord]

What was the original budget and what did it get reduced to?

The budget was 135 million and was cut down to 75 million.

[Nathan]

Wowza! That's a pretty significant cut. I didn't have high hopes anyway. The only changes I am expecting are better fights and none of the Jelly Bean goofiness.

[Microchip]

The fact they slashed the budget for this film, I'm pretty sure that's been discussed on this thread.
I think calling that a massive production problem is a bit of an overstatement. I thought you meant things like problems between the directors and actors, or leaks about bad storyline, etc. Having the budget cut happened before the movie even started production and they have two guys who know how to stretch a budget. If the movie fails, I doubt it'll be because of that.

[The Morningstar]

The CGI looks pretty amazing. So the modest-ish budget doesn't worry me at all. From what i've seen it looks better than some 150-200 million dollar budgeted movies like Wolverine or GL.

[The Overlord]

I think calling that a massive production problem is a bit of an overstatement. I thought you meant things like problems between the directors and actors, or leaks about bad storyline, etc. Having the budget cut happened before the movie even started production and they have two guys who know how to stretch a budget. If the movie fails, I doubt it'll be because of that.

Its not good by any stretch of the imagination, having really cheesy effects can kill a movie like this, especially since the first movie did nothing to foster to good will amongst the public.

[Nathan]

The CGI looks pretty amazing. So the modest-ish budget doesn't worry me at all. From what i've seen it looks better than some 150-200 million dollar budgeted movies like Wolverine or GL.

Still can't believe how fake Wolverine's claws looked.

[The Overlord]

The CGI looks pretty amazing. So the modest-ish budget doesn't worry me at all. From what i've seen it looks better than some 150-200 million dollar budgeted movies like Wolverine or GL.

I thought that trailer looked terrible.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I give props to them being upfront and honest saying not to expect Blackout to be 100% comic book accurate. I appreciate it more than Mark Steven Johnson saying that we wouldn't be disappointed in the final form of Blackheart.

For the record...just because he won't be like the comic version of Blackout doesn't automatically equal suck.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Speaking of MSJ, he's pretty quiet these days. I hear he's co-producing this?

[The Morningstar]

I thought that trailer looked terrible.

You think the CGI in the trailer looks terrible? Did you watch the same trailer as me?

[The Overlord]

You think the CGI in the trailer looks terrible? Did you watch the same trailer as me?

I thought everything in the trailer was bad, the special effects weren't great and the story just looked stupid (Ghost Rider peeing fire, for example). So yeah I did see the same trailer and I didn't like it.

[The Morningstar]

The story? What story? It was a minute and a half money shot reel.

And the CGI looked great. Like i said, it puts a few 150 million dollar budgeted movies to shame.

The part where the Rider throws that guy up into the air then yanks on the chain, slamming him into the ground was sick.

[RED_Rider]

and none of the Jelly Bean goofiness.
I DEMAND to see more Cage and Jelly Beans right now! Seriously, that was the only true Cage moment in that whole movie. The rest was forced Cage and lame fights.

But yeah, fights better be good. This movie still has a chance to end up half decent film but definitely not a decent GR adaptation.

[The Overlord]

The story? What story? It was a minute and a half money shot reel.

And the CGI looked great. Like i said, it puts a few 150 million dollar budgeted movies to shame.

The part where the Rider throws that guy up into the air then yanks on the chain, slamming him into the ground was sick.

The peeing fire scene didn't do much to instill confidence in me that this movie would good and while you may have enjoyed the special effects in this movie, I didn't. I haven't really seen or heard anything to convince me that this will be a quality film. They couldn't even get Eva Mendez back to play Roxy, how good is the script when they can't convince most of the actors from the previous films to return?

[BigThor]

Its not good by any stretch of the imagination, having really cheesy effects can kill a movie like this, especially since the first movie did nothing to foster to good will amongst the public.

It sure wasn't because of the VFX, because that's one of the few things in the first film that was praised.

Ghost Rider looks even better in this film despite the lower budget, but you seem pretty adamant about disliking effects so I'm not gonna try and convince you otherwise.

[The Overlord]

It sure wasn't because of the VFX, because that's one of the few things in the first film that was praised.

Ghost Rider looks even better in this film despite the lower budget, but you seem pretty adamant about disliking effects so I'm not gonna try and convince you otherwise.

Well its hard judge the effects on a short trailer, I just didn't see much that I found impressive, maybe the movie would be better on that front.

[BigThor]

Well its hard judge the effects on a short trailer, I just didn't see much that I found impressive, maybe the movie would be better on that front.

Ghost Rider looking MUCH better in a film with a 50 million dollars (not 75) than a film with a budget of 110 million is very impressive.

[ThePowerCosmic]

The peeing fire scene didn't do much to instill confidence in me that this movie would good and while you may have enjoyed the special effects in this movie, I didn't. I haven't really seen or heard anything to convince me that this will be a quality film. They couldn't even get Eva Mendez back to play Roxy, how good is the script when they can't convince most of the actors from the previous films to return?

Eva Mendez sucks as an actress though, why would they want her back? They're not even trying to be connected to the last movie, so it's only right that he would have a different love interest.

[RedIsNotBlue]

They couldn't even get Eva Mendez back to play Roxy, how good is the script when they can't convince most of the actors from the previous films to return?

You obviously haven't been following the news and info for this movie. This isn't a sequel even though Nic Cage is back.

[The Overlord]

You obviously haven't been following the news and info for this movie. This isn't a sequel even though Nic Cage is back.

Well that's rather confusing then. If they wanted a reboot, they should have gone with a different actor, Nick Cage is too old to play Ghost Rider anyway.

[RED_Rider]

Eva Mendez sucks as an actress though.

So true. She's hot but even in the new Bad Lieutenant she was bad (Cage was sublime though).
Love the new actress in this one. She was in The American, wasn't she?

[ThePowerCosmic]

So true. She's hot but even in the new Bad Lieutenant she was bad (Cage was sublime though).
Love the new actress in this one. She was in The American, wasn't she?

Yeah, she was Clara.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well that's rather confusing then. If they wanted a reboot, they should have gone with a different actor, Nick Cage is too old to play Ghost Rider anyway.

Not really confusing if it can be explained in a sentence. Same lead actor with a fresh new take on the character. Nic Cage is awesome and has an unmatched passion for Ghost Rider among the big named actors in Hollywood. He truly wants to make a good Ghost Rider film. I am so sick of that age crap people give actors. If they can play the part effectively then let them. I think that is just a veiled way of saying you just hate Nic Cage. A lot of people were giving RDJ the same wrap when he was announced as Iron Man and I was just scratching my head as to why more people weren't sharing my enthusiasm at an amazing actor taking on Tony Stark but focusing on something as dumb as his age. I am glad he shut everyone up...hope Nic does the same here. It sounds like you have already decided to hate this movie so not even really sure why you are here? Lol.

[The Overlord]

Not really confusing if it can be explained in a sentence. Same lead actor with a fresh new take on the character. Nic Cage is awesome and has an unmatched passion for Ghost Rider among the big named actors in Hollywood. He truly wants to make a good Ghost Rider film. I am so sick of that age crap people give actors. If they can play the part effectively then let them. I think that is just a veiled way of saying you just hate Nic Cage. A lot of people were giving RDJ the same wrap when he was announced as Iron Man and I was just scratching my head as to why more people weren't sharing my enthusiasm at an amazing actor taking on Tony Stark but focusing on something as dumb as his age. I am glad he shut everyone up...hope Nic does the same here. It sounds like you have already decided to hate this movie so not even really sure why you are here? Lol.

Except Nick already had a chance to impress everyone in this role and he didn't do it. I think a reboot works best if its a clean break from the previous film, including a different actor for the main role. Also why can't I be critical of this movie on this thread, is there some rule that everyone on this thread can only say positive things about this film? If it turns out to good, I will be pleasantly surprised, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it will be good, so I remain skeptical.

[Microchip]

Well that's rather confusing then. If they wanted a reboot, they should have gone with a different actor, Nick Cage is too old to play Ghost Rider anyway.
It's not a reboot. It's a sequel in the same sense that X-Men First Class is a prequel. They'll keep some continuity where it suits them, and ignore it completely where it doesn't.

[The Overlord]

It's not a reboot. It's a sequel in the same sense that X-Men First Class is a prequel. They'll keep some continuity where it suits them, and ignore it completely where it doesn't.

Well then people on this thread shouldn't correct me when I call it a sequel then, because that's what is. A sequel that ignores parts of the previous movie is still a sequel. A reboot ignores everything of previous movies, if it just ignores parts, but keeps others, it is a sequel, just like even though X-Men Frist Class ignored certain aspects of the previous movies, its still a prequel because it established itself as part of the same universe as those other X-Men movies ( confirmed with the Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romjin cameos, as well as the footage from the first movie being in the trailer).

[RED_Rider]

I Incredible Hulk is a better example here for what GR2 wants to be in terms of Reboot - Sequel mix.

[BigThor]

I Incredible Hulk is a better example here for what GR2 wants to be in terms of Reboot - Sequel mix.

The Incredible Hulk was a reboot though, it had no connection to the first film whatsoever and it even had a different origin scene in the opening credits.

[RED_Rider]

The Incredible Hulk was a reboot though, it had no connection to the first film whatsoever and it even had a different origin scene in the opening credits.

I know it was more of a reboot but even the new origin scenes in the intro were kinda like "Hey, another movie happened and made Banner into Hulk. In the end he had to flee to another country". Both of those things did happen in the previous Hulk. Heck, I know a lot of people who think IH is Hulk 2 with a different cast. That doesn't change the fact that IH was more of a reboot than GR2 but still :)

[Snikt]

The Incredible Hulk was a reboot though, it had no connection to the first film whatsoever and it even had a different origin scene in the opening credits.

Yes. Exactly. I still don't understand why some people keep saying The Incredible Hulk is a semi-sequel. Yes, Banner ended up in a country in South America, but it was completely different origin story.

Banner wasn't working on NANOMITES to help with regeneration. He was working on what he thought was radiation resistance and got hit a certain amount of gamma radiation.

Whereas in HULK, yes he was working with gamma radiation, but he jumped in front of a machine to help save another scientist.

[BigThor]

Yes. Exactly. I still don't understand why some people keep saying The Incredible Hulk is a semi-sequel. Yes, Banner ended up in a country in South America, but it was completely different origin story.

Banner wasn't working on NANOMITES to help with regeneration. He was working on what he thought was radiation resistance and got hit a certain amount of gamma radiation.

Whereas in HULK, yes he was working with gamma radiation, but he jumped in front of a machine to help save another scientist.

:up: :up: :up:

[Destructus86]

I'm not really a big fan of directors that don't care about the source material. If they don't have a passion for the material, it's going to show on screen.

[BigThor]

You can release the 2nd trailer anytime now Sony, I was hoping it would be released for Halloween but I guess it's not.

:down: :down: :down:

[RED_Rider]

They missed a big opportunity. Halloween was the perfect time for the trailer of film that is supposed to be more horror than previous one. Plus, after that horrible interview, a promising trailer could have saved them some face.

[BigThor]

They missed a big opportunity. Halloween was the perfect time for the trailer of film that is supposed to be more horror than previous one. Plus, after that horrible interview, a promising trailer could have saved them some face.

They really did and I believe a good trailer could helped save some face as well, hopefully it gets released later this week or next week.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Have they even said anything about releasing a trailer?

[BigThor]

Have they even said anything about releasing a trailer?

No but it's been a two and a half months since the first trailer was release, so a 2nd trailer should be out soon because the film comes out in only 3 and half months.

[RED_Rider]

The previous film had a rather massive hype for a Feb release but this one is staying quiet which is bad for its sales. A lot of movies with strong tracking have bombed at the box office let alone ones without buzz like this. What is Sony / Colombia doing?

[DyeLorean]

Their focus starts to deviate towards Oscar-worthy movies now. With the exception of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol, there hasn't been much advertising for future "big" movies.

[BigThor]

The previous film had a rather massive hype for a Feb release but this one is staying quiet which is bad for its sales. A lot of movies with strong tracking have bombed at the box office let alone ones without buzz like this. What is Sony / Colombia doing?

I think we'll start seeing a jump start in promotion either this month or in December.

[ThePowerCosmic]

No but it's been a two and a half months since the first trailer was release, so a 2nd trailer should be out soon because the film comes out in only 3 and half months.
Oh okay, I see.
Their focus starts to deviate towards Oscar-worthy movies now. With the exception of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol, there hasn't been much advertising for future "big" movies.

Not yet, at least. I'm sure there will be a crap load of advertisements for their big movies in a while.

[Midnyte_Sun]

I hope they get a Super Bowl spot.

[BigThor]

I hope they get a Super Bowl spot.

That would be perfect because GR:SOV it's going to be in theaters about week or two after the Super Bowl.

[RedIsNotBlue]

It's not a reboot. It's a sequel in the same sense that X-Men First Class is a prequel. They'll keep some continuity where it suits them, and ignore it completely where it doesn't.

*Sighs* No. Once again. Cage and the directors themselves have said it is not a sequel. It is a fresh movie. The reason people seem to think this movie is gonna be connected to the last is because Nic Cage is back. It is a reboot with the same lead actor. I am pretty sure it has also been confirmed that a new origin sequence has been shot for the film.

[Snikt]

Well this truly is a "requel." The directors have said this is the same Johnny Cage from the first film, five years later; living with his curse.

But there's a new origin as previously stated. I'm guessing it will somewhat similar to the first film, with a few twists or some new details left out of GR 1

[BigThor]

Well this truly is a "requel." The directors have said this is the same Johnny Cage from the first film, five years later; living with his curse.

But there's a new origin as previously stated. I'm guessing it will somewhat similar to the first film, with a few twists or some new details left out of GR 1

Bingo :cool:

[DyeLorean]

I'm guessing we're not far from a re-reboot-threequel: A third part that it's a kind of reboot, from the 1st part, not the second one, but also acts as a prequel to the second one, not ignoring competely the facts from the previous movie, but it also works as a stand alone film.
Also known from Hollywood executives as "even if the did like or didn't like the previous movies, do whatever it takes to convince people to go see the f*ing movie".

[Destructus86]

No reboot.....not until Marvel gets the rights.

[CelticPredator]

Screw the comics. This movie is going to be awesome.

[RED_Rider]

I think they should just say this: We didn't like the first movie but also didn't want to re-introduce the character and deal with "GR Begins" stuff so we made this.

[BigThor]

Screw the comics. This movie is going to be awesome.

This film is still my 2nd most anticipated CMB film of 2012 despite the directors not caring about a few aspects of the source material, I just hope the Blackout fight turns out better than it is in the script.

[RED_Rider]

Sony just released the new trailer for Underworld 4. They could have used Halloween for both GR2 and UW. Why are they doing this? Also, doesn't GR2 have much bigger budget compared to UW4 and thus require more advertising?

Hopefully this means we'll be getting new GR trailer soon.

[RED_Rider]

Is it just me or are Sony movies kinda stealing stories from other action movies?

The new Underworld trailer shows a lot of similarities to the story of Ultraviolet movie (Very BIG similarities).
As for Ghost Rider, the whole idea of escorting a child along with his mom from some great force of evil / destruction by someone that uses part of that source is a bit too much Terminator 1 / 2.

[CelticPredator]

UltraViolet was stolen from Kurt Wimmer/.

[Snikt]

Sony just released the new trailer for Underworld 4. They could have used Halloween for both GR2 and UW. Why are they doing this? Also, doesn't GR2 have much bigger budget compared to UW4 and thus require more advertising?

Hopefully this means we'll be getting new GR trailer soon.


I'm thinking a new trailer will be out fairly soon. And I'm not sure about the budget of Underworld 4, but GR 2 had a budget of roughly $50 million.

They've said the budget was around the same as Gamer ($50 million).

[Raiden]

I think they should just say this: We didn't like the first movie but also didn't want to re-introduce the character and deal with "GR Begins" stuff so we made this.

Kind of like what they did with TIH to set it apart from Ang Lee's Hulk.

[RED_Rider]

Kurt Wimmer IS awesome. The little touches he left in UV movie were the best parts (Though I didn't hate that film as much as most KW fans).

[RED_Rider]

Yeah, definitely like TIH. I really like this method. They should have done the same for Man of Steel instead of another "begins" scenario.

I'm thinking a new trailer will be out fairly soon. And I'm not sure about the budget of Underworld 4, but GR 2 had a budget of roughly $50 million.

Underworld films usually don't make much money and are profitable only because of their small budgets if I'm not mistaken. Also, I though GR2 had a 75 mil budget after the cuts, not 50. Any confirmation?

[actionavenue]

I was unaware that a sequel was going to be made for Ghost Rider. That's cool! I thought the movie was underrated and generally a good movie. Will Cage be reprising the lead role in the sequel? If anyone knows....let me know please!

[BigThor]

Underworld films usually don't make much money and are profitable only because of their small budgets if I'm not mistaken. Also, I though GR2 had a 75 mil budget after the cuts, not 50. Any confirmation?

Underworld Evolutions made 110 million which is a little less than half of what GR1 made but it's budget was less than GR's budget so they were pretty much equally profitable.

Yeah, I think GR:SOV's budget is around 50 million because the directors said it was around the same as the budget for "Gamer" (which was 50 mill).

I was unaware that a sequel was going to be made for Ghost Rider. That's cool! I thought the movie was underrated and generally a good movie. Will Cage be reprising the lead role in the sequel? If anyone knows....let me know please!

Yes, Nic Cage will be reprising the lead role of "Johhny Blaze" again in this movie except this time he will physically play the Ghost Rider as well (instead of a stunt man).

[RED_Rider]

Underworld Evolutions made 110 million which is a little less than half of what GR1 made but it's budget was less than GR's budget so they were pretty much equally profitable.

Yeah, I think GR:SOV's budget is around 50 million because the directors said it was around the same as the budget for "Gamer" (which was 50 mill).


Ghost Rider made more than 250 mil worldwide. This 50 mil budget is really worrying me. I thought it was around 75.

[The Morningstar]

Doesn't worry me. There needs to be more modest budget comic book movies. Not every single one has to be a 150 million dollar attempted blockbuster.

More cult films ala Blade please.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Blade didnt need extensive CGI to bring the character to life though, in all honesty they didnt need CGI in Blade at all, but GR definately does.

[The Morningstar]

Yea, but CGI doesn't cost that much these days if the directors know what they are doing. District 9 for instance, did that look like a 30 million dollar movie? Course not.

[RED_Rider]

I'm not saying every movie has to have 150-200 mil budget but 50 is too low for a film that NEEDS lots of CG for a burning skeleton. The original 75 estimate was much more reasonable but at 50, they have to cover a lot of short comings with forced fast montage which is always a bad thing IMO.

[BigThor]

Ghost Rider made more than 250 mil worldwide. This 50 mil budget is really worrying me. I thought it was around 75.

Actually, Ghost Rider's worldwide gross was 229 million.

I'm not saying every movie has to have 150-200 mil budget but 50 is too low for a film that NEEDS lots of CG for a burning skeleton. The original 75 estimate was much more reasonable but at 50, they have to cover a lot of short comings with forced fast montage which is always a bad thing IMO.

Did you see the trailer for this film, because Ghost Rider's CGI looks FAR better in this film than it first one even with a much smaller budget.

CGI is alot cheaper now than it was in 2005-2006 (when the first one was filmed), so with the proper directors 50 million dollars can go a long way.

[RED_Rider]

Actually, Ghost Rider's worldwide gross was 229 million.

Did you see the trailer for this film, because Ghost Rider's CGI looks FAR better in this film than it first one even with a much smaller budget.

CGI is alot cheaper now than it was in 2005-2006 (when the first one was filmed), so with the proper directors 50 million dollars can go a long way.
Wow, I always thought it made close to 300 mil.
Agreed on the CG in the trailer. LOVE the look though still think 50 mil is beyond low even now that CG costs are lower.

[Midnyte_Sun]

I think it's still very expensive, they just didn't go with an expensive company to make it. From what I remember, the first GR movie they used Sony Picture Imageworks, with an assist from CafeFX and Digital Dream. They charged them an arm and a leg for it. This time they are going with one bargain bin non American company in Iloura.

2ndly, the first movie wasted too much time trying to perfect the fire effects and it seemed to me they burned through their budget really quick. How can a movie with that much money have so little GR action to show for it? They had people in China make fake trees and flowers costing somewhere in the 6 figures, creating night scenes in CG, and they even ran out of money. MSJ said somewhere he had to fork out some of his own money to pay for the CG scene where GR attacked the police helicopter. Just think how bad ass GR2 would be if they had an extra 60 million to play with for action scenes?

[The Morningstar]

Sony Imageworks are ****. The CGI seen in the trailer looks better than what they did in the last GR movie.

[RED_Rider]

Thanks for the info Midnyte_Sun. I remember the MSJ comment on chopper scene but the rest was new to me.

[OsGom]

Let's just hope their entire CGI budget is not just what's seen in the trailer. It's happened before.

I hate to be a pessimist because I think GR would be awesome if done right and I don't hate Cages interpretation of Johnny Blaze. However, after the last fiasco I don't have a lot of faith Hollywood can get this right. Even the story sounds suspect.

I'll try to keep an open mind but I just don't see this working out to a degree that fans are going to be happy.

Personally if I were going to write a GR adaptation, I would approach it as a "Man with No Name" stylized western. A stranger shows up in a town besieged by a deadly curse. Or Stranger shows up and (literal) demons from his past catch up with him. Add the carnival and keep it dark and moody. Play up the horror aspects of the story and you have yourself a film.

Hollywood’s biggest mistake is trying to make GR a hero. GR isn’t cute and funny. He is a scary badass mother****er and everyone should fear him including the innocents he attempts to protect.

[RED_Rider]

^^^
Well said.
Also, good call one movies that reveal all their money shots and CG in trailer. It's like those horror movie red band trailers that show all the kills.

[BigThor]

2ndly, the first movie wasted too much time trying to perfect the fire effects and it seemed to me they burned through their budget really quick. How can a movie with that much money have so little GR action to show for it? Just think how bad ass GR2 would be if they had an extra 60 million to play with for action scenes?

That's ashame because the fire effects in this films looks far better than the ones from the first GR, oh and I would've loved for them to have had an extra 60 million for the action scenes.

Let's just hope their entire CGI budget is not just what's seen in the trailer. It's happened before.

Well the directors of GR:SOV did say that they saved most of the more "spectacular" stuff in the film for the next trailer and the actual film itself.

[CelticPredator]

Don't expect good CGI.

[BigThor]

Don't expect good CGI.

Why not? It's been pretty good so far?

[CelticPredator]

Well, because it's a cheap movie....that's all im saying.

[BigThor]

Well, because it's a cheap movie....that's all im saying.

Well like someone said earlier, District 9 cost 30 million dollars and it didn't look cheap at all.

Besides, these guys also directed Gamer which had a budget of 50 million and it didn't look cheap as well.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yea, but CGI doesn't cost that much these days if the directors know what they are doing. District 9 for instance, did that look like a 30 million dollar movie? Course not.

Difference is though, it was VERY cheap to shoot were they did, no big actors fees or even writers fees and Peter Jackson who was heavily involved owns Weta. Little different than what we have for GR 2.

[terry78]

Unless you got the mother****er fighting legion itself, you don't need that huge of a budget for this character.

[CelticPredator]

Well like someone said earlier, District 9 cost 30 million dollars and it didn't look cheap at all.

Besides, these guys also directed Gamer which had a budget of 50 million and it didn't look cheap as well.
D-9 was also directed by a man who knows visual effects in and out.

[hellfiremaster]

I've always thought of GR as Dirty Harry with his head on fire. So that's what I am hoping to see. Justice dispenced at his liking..

The effects look like they will be good. Budgets are "reference" numbers.. it might be under, might be slightly over. If the directors though they needed certain shots in the movie I am sure a little convincing would get them a little more cash...

HFM

[RED_Rider]

Goddamit, I want the trailer now! They released the Underworld teaser very close to GR2 one (a couple of days from each other if I'm not mistaken). We got the new, full UW4 trailer last week. So, GR2 trailer please?

[BigThor]

Unless you got the mother****er fighting legion itself, you don't need that huge of a budget for this character.

Exactly, Ghost Rider is powerful as hell but alot of his stories involve him being a street level hero so he doesn't really need a huge budget.

Goddamit, I want the trailer now! They released the Underworld teaser very close to GR2 one (a couple of days from each other if I'm not mistaken). We got the new, full UW4 trailer last week. So, GR2 trailer please?

Yeah GR:SOV's teaser trailer was released two days after the teaser for Underworld 4, so I'm hoping the new trailer comes out sometime next week.

[Snikt]

I'm thinking at the very latest, we'll get a full trailer in December; latest. That puts it the movie roughly two months away.

[Snikt]

Double-post...sorry :D

[BigThor]

I'm thinking at the very latest, we'll get a full trailer in December; latest. That puts it the movie roughly two months away.

I think it's gonne be sometime this month, but I can see it being released in December at the latest.

[TheWiseGuy487]

I think it's gonne be sometime this month, but I can see it being released in December at the latest.

Maybe it'll be attached to The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo? It's another Sony Pictures production.

[Figs]

This comes out in February right?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yes.

[RED_Rider]

"Fire is your friend... You can kill a lot of people by burning them up and turning them into ash"
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/11/07/ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-rating

Not much new in that interview but still, it's fun.

[BigThor]

"Fire is your friend... You can kill a lot of people by burning them up and turning them into ash"
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/11/07/ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-rating

Not much new in that interview but still, it's fun.

I'm extremely glad to hear that they're going to be usin alot of fire, I always wanted to see Ghost Rider use alot of fire attacks this time around.

[RED_Rider]

Same here. I've always love Scorpion in Mortal Kombat because of his fire based powers (and fatality). He's basically the video game version of Ghost Rider so, I demand to see Toasty fatality performed by Nic Cage!

[BigThor]

Same here. I've always love Scorpion in Mortal Kombat because of his fire based powers (and fatality). He's basically the video game version of Ghost Rider so, I demand to see Toasty fatality performed by Nic Cage!

Ghost Rider does something similar to the "Toasty" fatality when that dude shoots him the face in the face at the end of the teaser trailer.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just hope beyond all the crazy ideas they have for the fire we get some good fight scene's (one in the script with Blackoutino sounds crap) and the short run-time leaves room to explore the characters a bit.

The first movie didnt really explore that JB and GR were 2 seperate entities and I really hope we get that in this new movie.

[BigThor]

I just hope beyond all the crazy ideas they have for the fire we get some good fight scene's (one in the script with Blackoutino sounds crap) and the short run-time leaves room to explore the characters a bit.

Yeah I hope the crazy ideas with for fire are mixed in with the fights to give us some truly awesome action scenes.

The first movie didnt really explore that JB and GR were 2 seperate entities and I really hope we get that in this new movie.

The directors talked about how this film goes alot deeper into Johnny Blaze and Ghost Rider's relationship, they also talked about how they're going be at odds with each other.

[RED_Rider]

What the hell is Sony doing?
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=84205

This tagline should be used for GR2 not UW4. What Vengeance returns!?

[BigThor]

Smh

*sigh*

[Midnyte_Sun]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing when I saw that poster yesterday. GR better make a cameo.

[The Morningstar]

D-9 was also directed by a man who knows visual effects in and out.

These guys are pretty good behind the camera too. They know what they are doing. Cost of CGI depends a lot on the director. An inexperienced director who hasn't done big action stuff before is obviously not gonna be as tech savvy as guys like Neveldine and Taylor.

[Cagefighterkip]

Nicholas Cage versus Kate Beckinsale?
Make it happen, Hollywood.

[CelticPredator]

These guys are pretty good behind the camera too. They know what they are doing. Cost of CGI depends a lot on the director. An inexperienced director who hasn't done big action stuff before is obviously not gonna be as tech savvy as guys like Neveldine and Taylor.

Don't get me wrong, these guys are fantastic. But they're not effects guys. They're camera guys.

Which is not a problem for me.

[BigThor]

Don't get me wrong, these guys are fantastic. But they're not effects guys. They're camera guys.

Which is not a problem for me.

They are excellent "practical effects" guys though, to tell the truth there's not really a big need for CGI besides Ghost Rider himself & his flamming attacks.

[RED_Rider]

Good call on "practical effects". If done right, they can reach greatness that CG scenes can't even dream about. Not that CG is bad or anything though. Movies like Dark Knight or Black Swan that use it in controlled doses along with the practical effects, they're the ones that reach perfection. If these guys really do end up combining 2 methods properly, even with a limited budget the movie could have a truly decent look.

[BigThor]

Good call on "practical effects". If done right, they can reach greatness that CG scenes can't even dream about. Not that CG is bad or anything though. Movies like Dark Knight or Black Swan that use it in controlled doses along with the practical effects, they're the ones that reach perfection. If these guys really do end up combining 2 methods properly, even with a limited budget the movie could have a truly decent look.

Yeah it's not like this is THOR or Green Lantern where they have to create entire worlds, Ghost Rider doesn't need big effects or a large budget in this film since he's gonna be fighting mostly humans and one demon/vampire dude.

Now if they decide to make a film about Ghost Rider traveling to hell to battle Mephisto then a fairly large budget and a good deal of CGI would be necessary.

[RED_Rider]

Wow, Sony really IS sleep. Even Lion Gate released the second trailer for the Hunger Games... and that film's opening a month later than GR2.

[BigThor]

Wow, Sony really IS sleep. Even Lion Gate released the second trailer for the Hunger Games... and that film's opening a month later than GR2.

I'm almost positive that the 2nd trailer for GR:SOV is gonna be released later this week or sometimes next week at the latest.

[Pac-Master]

Leaked poster?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2824/x2cf89c3d.jpg

[BigThor]

Leaked poster?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2824/x2cf89c3d.jpg

That poster looks badass, I just wish they used a fully transformed GR with a silhouette of Nic Cages face in the background instead of GR's body with Nic's head.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Leaked poster?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2824/x2cf89c3d.jpg

Maybe this means we're getting another trailer soon? :awesome:

Fingers crossed!

[BigThor]

Maybe this means we're getting another trailer soon? :awesome:

Fingers crossed!

Yeah hopefully tomorrow or some other day this week, oh and I love how "fiery" the poster looks I can't wait to see what all cool things GR does with fire in this film.

[CelticPredator]

Meh...

[RED_Rider]

The Nic Cage face truly ruins that poster. I'm with BigThor (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=92423) on the suggestion about having the full GR face rather than the actor. I don't hate Cage and actually like him as GR but in that poster... Meh indeed.

They could at least make half of his faced burned / "GR"ified.

[BigThor]

Yeah I think it's a pretty good poster, but a fully transformed Ghost Rider would've made it MUCH better.

[RED_Rider]

Ghost Rider 1 is batter the 2 i think.


Movie-quality wise, we can't judge before seeing the 2nd film. Poster-quality wise, I have to disagree. The 2 bubble-heads design of GR1 poster was simply dumb. This one looks ok aside from bad placement of Nic Cage's face.

[BigThor]

Movie-quality wise, we can't judge before seeing the 2nd film. Poster-quality wise, I have to disagree. The 2 bubble-heads design of GR1 poster was simply dumb. This one looks ok aside from bad placement of Nic Cage's face.

I don't even remember the posters from GR1, what do you mean by "bubble heads" design?

[RED_Rider]

My bad. That was a typo :)
I mean bobblehead posters like this:
http://impawards.com/2007/posters/ghost_rider_ver4.jpg

[CelticPredator]

Alright, here's my final one. It's not perfect, but I wanted it to capture the hopeful kinetic energy the film will have.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/GhostRiderposter.jpg

[DyeLorean]

Leaked poster?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2824/x2cf89c3d.jpg
Looks good enough to be a fan made. Surely it's a teaser poster.
I agree, the new flamed skull should be the main attraction, looks awesome.
Nic Cage isn't a box office star anymore.

[BigThor]

Alright, here's my final one. It's not perfect, but I wanted it to capture the hopeful kinetic energy the film will have.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/GhostRiderposter.jpg

Looks great CP, I wish the official poster was this awesome. :up:

[RED_Rider]

Nice one. They should have used your Nic Cage face for that "leaked" poster's design. Your work is awesome but I think you could make it even better. I have a few suggestions if you don't mind: Decrease the amount of fireworks around GR and his bike as well as use less effects on the lower right site of frame if possible.

[CelticPredator]

I dont mind at all! I welcome it...however, it's pointless now because I already sent it in...:(

But it's cool though. I did over do the embers. Only because the bike had so many weird blending issues.

[Tron wolfgang]

so i finally saw the trailer for this movie when i went to see the Immortals and i must say i was very impress, the action was fantastic, i've never seen any of the other movies the directors have made so i wasn't familiar with their style but wow i am really hype for this movie now.

[RED_Rider]

^^
Wait, what trailer? Is it the previous trailer or a new one showing before Immortals?

[ThePowerCosmic]

I'm pretty sure we'd know about it if there was a new trailer out.

[BigThor]

I saw the Ghost Rider: SOV trailer in front of Immortals last weekend and it was the the same trailer for Ghost Rider: SOV that we've all seen.

The Avengers trailer also played in front of Immortals, those two were the most well recieved trailers that night and the audience LOVED when GR pissed fire (unlike most fanboys).

[RED_Rider]

I saw the Ghost Rider: SOV trailer in front of Immortals last weekend and it was the the same trailer for Ghost Rider: SOV that we've all seen.

The Avengers trailer also played in front of Immortals, those two were the most well recieved trailers that night and the audience LOVED when GR pissed fire (unlike most fanboys).

Thanks for the info. On the subject of flaming piss, I think most fanboys liked it based on ComicCon reactions. It was some of the internet audience and other PC-loving people that hated this idea.

[Tron wolfgang]

^^
Wait, what trailer? Is it the previous trailer or a new one showing before Immortals?
honestly dude i have no idea, this is the first time I've seen the trailer so i dont know if its new or old :csad:

[RED_Rider]

honestly dude i have no idea, this is the first time I've seen the trailer so i dont know if its new or old :csad:
Thanks for the reply. It probably was the old trailer as others mentioned (With the early 30 percent of trailer filled with Cage monologue over text and small flame effects).

Hopefully we get something before Dark Knight Rises trailer comes out because after that, I don't think any other trailer will matter for some time (At least for)(Yes, even The Hobbit trailer).

[BigThor]

The leaked poster that was supposedly released earlier this week was confirmed to be a fake.

[RED_Rider]

Glad to hear that. I liked the lower half of that poster (And it was generally a well made poster) but the Nic Cage head was in the worst possible place.

[RED_Rider]

Hell yes, Sony has finally released something:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/badass-new-graphic-art-ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-posters/

They're not new but seeing these awesome artistic posters in complete form (Instead banners shot on camera) is simply mindblowing. LOVE THEM.

[Cagefighterkip]

Hell yes, Sony has finally released something:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/badass-new-graphic-art-ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-posters/

They're not new but seeing these awesome artistic posters in complete form (Instead banners shot on camera) is simply mindblowing. LOVE THEM.

Great posters, seriously, we need more artistic paintings and less photoshopped messes.

[BigThor]

Glad to hear that. I liked the lower half of that poster (And it was generally a well made poster) but the Nic Cage head was in the worst possible place.

Yeah I hope the official poster is something except with a fully transformed Ghost Rider standing in a more badass pose.

The cool use of fire and charcoal should definately be used in the official poster and the lettering on the title of the film was good as well.

[dc4449]

Gotta admit the trailer actually made me interested for the first time. Looks like it could be a lot of fun.

I watched the trailer for it didn't like it at all:bdh:

[ripse]

In Trailer i just interest what is peeing or what in everywhere like flame thrower in ghost rider form.....just that.

[Symbiotic]

Who's scoring this movie? I enjoyed Christopher Young's work on the first one.

[DyeLorean]

Wow, that last poster was fake???
Man, they keep coming even more professionals!

[Snikt]

Who's scoring this movie? I enjoyed Christopher Young's work on the first one.

I believe it's the same composer from Zombieland

[BigThor]

Wow, that last poster was fake???
Man, they keep coming even more professionals!

Yeah although I didn't like Nic Cage's face on GR's body the overall poster itself looked very professional.

[RED_Rider]

Goddamit, where is my trailer? Those posters were sweet but COME ON. Spirit of Vengeance is the FIRST super hero movie of 2012 and since it's the year of Dark Knight Rises and Avengers, a lot more people than usual will be hearing about comic book stuff. Plus he's a modestly popular Marvel character. WTF Sony?

[RED_Rider]

Anyway, here's my fan poster. Kinda amateurish and rushed but hey, I like it... just wanted to do something with that awesome art poster they released the other day.

http://i39.tinypic.com/16lfy3p.jpg

[BigThor]

Goddamit, where is my trailer? Those posters were sweet but COME ON. Spirit of Vengeance is the FIRST super hero movie of 2012 and since it's the year of Dark Knight Rises and Avengers, a lot more people than usual will be hearing about comic book stuff. Plus he's a modestly popular Marvel character. WTF Sony?

I'm with you dude, this is getting out of hand.

[CelticPredator]

Anyway, here's my fan poster. Kinda amateurish and rushed but hey, I like it... just wanted to do something with that awesome art poster they released the other day.

http://i39.tinypic.com/16lfy3p.jpg

You used images not provided by Sony. You could only use those 3 pics from the movie, and the fire effects.

[CelticPredator]

Unless this was for fun. Then it's cool. :D

[RED_Rider]

Yeah, it was for fun. I just wanted to do something with that art poster. The fire is from the official art from Sony and the face is a capture of GR from the trailer when he is walking forward in daylight.

[BigThor]

the face is a capture of GR from the trailer when he is walking forward in daylight.

Ghost Rider looks a bit "off" in that scene imo (the fire on his skull looked wierd), I hope it looks alot better in the final film.

[mystory64]

Here's my poster for the contest :) I put the logo and stuff in the file I sent but this is it without it.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd4/mystory64/GR-FINALa.jpg

[RED_Rider]

Holy mother of god, that's awesome :)

[CelticPredator]

You drew that?

You crushed my hopes and dreams. And i'll hate your forever. :(

[BigThor]

Damn Mystory, that picture is amazing :ghost:

[CelticPredator]

Im holding out the hope he stole that picture, and will be disqaulified...because my god...it's going to win. :o

He's meeting Cage, and Brian...and Tyler....:( :(

:(

[BigThor]

I really hope Sony releases that new trailer this week, or atleast some official poster.

[Raiden]

Here's my poster for the contest :) I put the logo and stuff in the file I sent but this is it without it.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd4/mystory64/GR-FINALa.jpg

If you drew this, you deserves to win, man! :wow:

[CelticPredator]

I DO! I HAVE A GHOST RIDER POSTER AND I LOVE BRIAN AND TYLER MORE THEN ANY OF YOOOU...




:(, but yeah, he does. Brillaint piece of work.

[Midnyte_Sun]

These are all bad ass, keep em coming!

[RED_Rider]

I really hope Sony releases that new trailer this week, or atleast some official poster.

We're past that point. Up until yesterday I was really REALLY excited about GR2 even after some of less encouraging interviews. It was kinda my most anticipated just because of the character but then... info from Empire's Dark Knight Rises issue came out. My god, that film is gonna be killer. Seriously, Sony had its chance.
Now, it's all about TDKR. Only a super awesome, super perfect trailer can reignite the Rider. Also, now they have a deadline. After TDKR trailer comes out on December 16th, nothing else will matter.

Fire is gonna rise and Sony better be the first to let its fire hero do the rising (My bad :) ).

[CelticPredator]

Uh...Ghost Rider comes out in Feburary....TDKR comes out in July. They missed no chance.

[RED_Rider]

^^
I'm not talking about the release day hype. My problem is with early buzz / hype. Right now even if they release a new GR trailer, nobody will care about it since TDKR trailer and prologue are coming out in mere weeks and everyone is gonna be focused on them for some time.

Also, it just shows how far behind Sony is. This is the 2nd trailer for a July release and yet we don't have anything like that for a Feb release. TDKR will have at least 3 main trailers before release while GR will probably follow the same route taken by MI4, which is tracking rather poorly.

[S. Grundy]

Batman is a huge character, and Ghost Rider is a niche one - it doesn't really matter when what bit of promo material released, there's always going to be more hype for The Dark Knight Rises.

[RED_Rider]

I know but if GR2 had come out before Batman's new hype train began (With recent Empire stuff and more), it could have attracted some attention. I mean why the hell didn't they release the trailer on Halloween? Now even if a trailer comes out, nobody will talk about. It's not about the size and franchise. Hunger Games is coming much later than GR2 and got its second trailer weeks ago, before TDKR uberhype started. Sony is just being lazy IMO and they've already lost a big chunk of business due to lack of proper and timely advertising.

[bullets]

I saw the trailer in front of Immortals on Sunday. It looks awesome but I bet some people were surprised it was even getting a sequel.

[Whiskey Tango]

Here's my poster for the contest :) I put the logo and stuff in the file I sent but this is it without it.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd4/mystory64/GR-FINALa.jpg

This is badass! Would you mind posting the version with the logo?

[CelticPredator]

You have to understand that very few people wanted this film. The first one is horrible, and most think that.

SO honestly, unless this movie gets good word of mouth, no one is going to care.

[mystory64]

Thx everyone, yup I'll gab my logo version when I get back, tho I think I might be hosed someone just told me were HAD to use the assets from the site to make our posters. I was confused on that whole issue, so who knows.