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Gimili

02-01-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
Not true. Captain Marvel posessess the strength of Hercules, and has held his own against both Superman and Wonder Woman.

Hulk nearly killed Hercules in Hercules: Unleashed, and that was the Professor, not the savage Hulk. The SAVAGE Hulk proved himself a match for Hercules, Wonder Man, Sub-Mariner, and Iron Man....at the same time! (IH #316)

While the Surfer had some success against the Hulk, he is FAR more powerful than Green Lantern, as shown by his easy victory over GL in DC/Marvel. (written by Mark Waid and Peter David, no less!) Trying to equate GL's power on par with the Surfer's is, quite frankly, laughable.

If anything, it would take the entire JLA to even begin to give the Hulk any kind of workout. :)

Captain Marvel has the strength of DC's Hercules, not Marvel's. He can also boost his strength with the power of Zeus.

The Green Lantern has gotten far more powerful and skilled since he lost to the Silver Surfer. But what does it matter anyway? There's no real reason why GL can't drain the gamma.

And here's something I should point out. In a battle in which it was GL alone against Amazo (a robot with all the powers of the JLA), GL created clones of all the JLA members and a few other people. Therefore, GL can send two members of every JLA powerhouse after the Hulk. The entire team will be fighting the Hulk at one hundred percent of lightspeed due to a Flash boosting their speed. However, the Hulk is handicapped by another Flash stealing his speed. There are also two Superman pounding, two Martian Manhunter's attacking the Hulk's mind or pounding, two Wonder Women delivering nerve strikes, and two Green Lanterns draining the gamma.

You shouldn't try comparing Hercules, Wonder Man, Namor, and Iron Man to Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and the Green Lantern. Any of these four DC characters would kick the collective asses of those four Marvel characters in milliseconds.

And I stand by it: Thor, Apocalypse, the Juggernaut, and Abomination's victories over the Hulk prove that the Hulk can be overpowered.

CaptainStacy

02-01-2003, 04:15 PM

I'm not saying the Hulk CAN'T be overpowered, I'm saying the most likely scenario would have him attaining a victory over the DC heroes. They've all been "overpowered, too. More times than the Hulk has.

Show me evidence that DC's Hercules is any more powerful than Marvel's. I'd like to see that. :) Let CM boost his abilities with the power of Zeus. The Hulk's unlimited strength will counter that in seconds.

Also; let GL create as many JLAers as he wants; More fodder for the Hulk to smash. And I'm DYING to see what will run out of power first, GL's ring, or the Hulk's healing factor and unlimited strength :cool:

"any of these four DC characters would kick the collective asses of those Marvel characters in milliseconds."

Debatable, at best.

I stand by it; Hulk has fought and beaten Marvel's best. I see no evidence that DC's heroes would fare any better.

Gimili

02-01-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
I'm not saying the Hulk CAN'T be overpowered, I'm saying the most likely scenario would have him attaining a victory over the DC heroes. They've all been "overpowered, too. More times than the Hulk has.

Show me evidence that DC's Hercules is any more powerful than Marvel's. I'd like to see that. :) Let CM boost his abilities with the power of Zeus. The Hulk's unlimited strength will counter that in seconds.

Also; let GL create as many JLAers as he wants; More fodder for the Hulk to smash. And I'm DYING to see what will run out of power first, GL's ring, or the Hulk's healing factor and unlimited strength :cool:

"any of these four DC characters would kick the collective asses of those Marvel characters in milliseconds."

Debatable, at best.

I stand by it; Hulk has fought and beaten Marvel's best. I see no evidence that DC's heroes would fare any better.

DC's Hercules held the weight of Wonder Woman's home country of Themyscira for 3,000 years without dying. That's more than Marvel's Hercules can do.

These DC characters have been overpowered, but it's almost always either them just standing around or characters far more powerful than the Hulk.

You really seem to be ignoring the speed issue. The speedsters get the first, second, third, and hundred thousandth attack. Because of this, it doesn't really matter how strong has become against Superman, Captain Marvel, or Wonder Woman. He's got to be able to take a thousand plus punches before he can fight back. And with the speed involved, hitting back is nearly impossible.

And besides, while the Hulk does have infinite strength, that doesn't mean he can simply reach any strength level at the drop of a hat. He clearly takes time to reach really big levels of strength, as proven by the times he's had to struggle to lift a mountain.

Against an army of JLA clones, the Hulk cannot even put forth a hopeless effort. All the clones are acting at lightspeed due to being boosted by one of the Flashes. However, the Hulk is handicapped by another Flash stealing his speed. Meanwhile, the other clones are attacking the statuelike Hulk with hits that make the blows the Juggernaut hit the Hulk with feel like flies clinging to
your face.

But why bother? Until you explain how the Hulk defends against gamma draining without incredible amounts of anger, GL drains the gamma. Fight over.

The four characters you mentioned that the Hulk beat cannot hope to challenge any of the JLA powerhouses on their best day. None of them can survive a nuke; the JLA powerhouses are scoring X number of mountain-smashing hits a second.

Guyverjay

02-01-2003, 07:36 PM

I suppose there nothing to prove that the latern could drain more gamma energy than the hulk could produce. Comparing GL power against surfers isn't exactly a good idea, energy manipulation and transmutation is one of the surfers main cosmic powers. I mean if GL can drain the hulks gamma, why can't he drain supes solar energy? Hulk prodices his own gamma energy internally where as Supes gets his from an outside source i.e the sun. So beating supes Should be a synch for GL if he can drain energy. Has GL ever done this?

Oh yeah I love hulk but come on he isn't going to beat the entire JLA single handedly,thats just plain ridiculous.

A banner less Hulk would take some beating though,I mean if you kept on hitting him wouldn't he just keep on getting angrier? and the angrier he gets the faster his his healing factor gets. I mean TECHNICALLY if he gets angry enough, he would be totally invulnerable,his healing factor would basically heal anything the split second the hulk was touched and course he get angrier and then stronger healing factor gets faster etc. The only reason why he got knocked out against onslaught is because of the Psionic backlash from the armour being destroyed.

Of course that only technically considering that the hulk is supposedly got no limit.

CaptainStacy

02-01-2003, 08:45 PM

Right. Also; the Hulk has fought many super-strong speedsters and come out on top, such as Hyperion and Gladiator.

And; if Doomsday and Shaggy Man can be a threat to the JLA, the Hulk certainly can.

Gimili

02-01-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
Right. Also; the Hulk has fought many super-strong speedsters and come out on top, such as Hyperion and Gladiator.

And; if Doomsday and Shaggy Man can be a threat to the JLA, the Hulk certainly can.

Hyperion and Gladiator can only use their speed in straight lines. This is because Marvel's speedsters, save land-based ones like the Speed Demon and Quicksilver, do not react at their own speed. Same as with power ring wielders.

Doomsday is a powerhouse who is stronger than Superman and evolves past whatever killed him. He is not to be compared with a
Hulk who doesn't have plot devices aiding him.

Gimili

02-01-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
I suppose there nothing to prove that the latern could drain more gamma energy than the hulk could produce. Comparing GL power against surfers isn't exactly a good idea, energy manipulation and transmutation is one of the surfers main cosmic powers. I mean if GL can drain the hulks gamma, why can't he drain supes solar energy? Hulk prodices his own gamma energy internally where as Supes gets his from an outside source i.e the sun. So beating supes Should be a synch for GL if he can drain energy. Has GL ever done this?

Oh yeah I love hulk but come on he isn't going to beat the entire JLA single handedly,thats just plain ridiculous.

A banner less Hulk would take some beating though,I mean if you kept on hitting him wouldn't he just keep on getting angrier? and the angrier he gets the faster his his healing factor gets. I mean TECHNICALLY if he gets angry enough, he would be totally invulnerable,his healing factor would basically heal anything the split second the hulk was touched and course he get angrier and then stronger healing factor gets faster etc. The only reason why he got knocked out against onslaught is because of the Psionic backlash from the armour being destroyed.

Of course that only technically considering that the hulk is supposedly got no limit.

The Green Lantern doesn't drain Superman's solar energy. The reason for this is not because he can't, but because he doesn't. Superman is a character who wins a lot of fights he really shouldn't. Particularly the infamous "Heat Vision> Omega Effect> debacle that was earlier this week. It doesn't alter GL's ability to do it.

A Bannerless Hulk would put up a better fight against the JLA. Although his attention span is really short. That wouldn't bode well for his chances.

web-slinger

02-02-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Gimili
Captain Marvel has the strength of DC's Hercules, not Marvel's. He can also boost his strength with the power of Zeus.
:rolleyes: DC zombie....

:p

CaptainStacy

02-02-2003, 02:03 AM

Speaking of Hercules; in regards to an earlier post stating DC's version once held up the country of Themyscira for 3000 years, and that being "more than Marvel's Hercules can do"; You must have forgotten that Marvel's Herc is the same Herc that succeeded in the 12 labors of Greek Mythology. One of which had him take the weight of the ENTIRE planet off of the Titan Atlas' shoulders. And he was prepared to hold it for eternity.

Yet the Hulk nearly killed him in a fight.

So if DC's Captain Marvel is only as strong as DC's Hercules, and can knock out Superman....then I GUESS the Hulk can too. :cool:

Also; check out Thor Vol. I #445; Gladiator is running super-speed circles around Thor. Hardly a "straight line".

Also; Check out Avengers Vol. I # 70; Oh, look! Hyperion's doing the same!

Yet....the Hulk has beaten both of them. :cool:

Also, for the record; in the recent Kang storyline, in Avengers, Kang hits Washington DC with a futuristic "nuke", but what's this? Thor AND Wonderman are at ground zero.... and survive? And neither of them have EVER stopped the Hulk. But in Kingdom Come, wasn't it shown that Captain Marvel can be killed by a nuke? And didn't Green Lantern shield Superman from it? A nuke built by technology HUNDREDS of years inferior in technology than the one Kang used on Thor and Wonderman?

Food for thought.......

web-slinger

02-02-2003, 02:07 AM

Genius, CapStacy. Pure genius. Excellent job at digging up evidence, my friend.:D

Gimili

02-02-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
Speaking of Hercules; in regards to an earlier post stating DC's version once held up the country of Themyscira for 3000 years, and that being "more than Marvel's Hercules can do"; You must have forgotten that Marvel's Herc is the same Herc that succeeded in the 12 labors of Greek Mythology. One of which had him take the weight of the ENTIRE planet off of the Titan Atlas' shoulders. And he was prepared to hold it for eternity.

Yet the Hulk nearly killed him in a fight.

So if DC's Captain Marvel is only as strong as DC's Hercules, and can knock out Superman....then I GUESS the Hulk can too. :cool:

Also; check out Thor Vol. I #445; Gladiator is running super-speed circles around Thor. Hardly a "straight line".

Also; Check out Avengers Vol. I # 70; Oh, look! Hyperion's doing the same!

Yet....the Hulk has beaten both of them. :cool:

Also, for the record; in the recent Kang storyline, in Avengers, Kang hits Washington DC with a futuristic "nuke", but what's this? Thor AND Wonderman are at ground zero.... and survive? And neither of them have EVER stopped the Hulk. But in Kingdom Come, wasn't it shown that Captain Marvel can be killed by a nuke? And didn't Green Lantern shield Superman from it? A nuke built by technology HUNDREDS of years inferior in technology than the one Kang used on Thor and Wonderman?

Food for thought.......

Whether or not DC's Hercules can compare to DC's heroes, it remains a fact that from what we have seen of the DC heroes, their feats throughly outclass their Marvel counterparts.

According to Greek mythology, Hercules did hold the planet up. He
also had trouble with monsters that were below the power of even a calm Hulk.

As a matter of fact, Marvel made Hercules a lot more powerful than his mythological counterpart. They did the same thing with Thor.

Gladiator and Hyperion may maneuver at super-speed, but he doesn't fight at super-speed. And when the Hulk beat Gladiator, he had the benefit of Gladiator losing his confidence.

Kingdom Come is not in continuity. Anything from it doesn't count.

In this month's issue of JLA, Superman contains a supernova in his
hands. That's infinitely superior to that futuristic nuke Thor and Wonder Man survived.

And no, Superman cannot be killed by a nuke. In the mid-90s, when everybody in DC was weaker, Superboy, who has always been far inferior to Superman, survived an explosion that was big enough to destroy Metropolis.

And I notice you made no response to GL's ability to drain the Hulk. Does that mean that you concede to it?

Gimili

02-02-2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by web-slinger
:rolleyes: DC zombie....

:p

What are you talking about. It is official that Superman can at least move the moon. In general, moving a mountain is about as impressive as even the Hulk gets.

The fact is that in general, DC's power levels are greater than Marvel's.

Guyverjay

02-02-2003, 12:04 PM

In this month's issue of JLA, Superman contains a supernova in his hands

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....NO offence but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Post crisis supes is slowly becoming the ridiculous pre crisis super man all over again.. What a Joke.

CaptainStacy

02-02-2003, 02:50 PM

"do i concede to it"? No. I thought i already established that GL is no where near the Surfer's level of power, as shown by the Surfer's embarassingly easy victory over him. So saying that if the Surfer can do it, GL can is moot.

"Dc heroes out class their Marvel counterparts" Really? Perhaps you didn't see my example of Hercules balancing the world compared to his DC couterpart balancing a mere "country". Herc also had little trouble with monsters in the stories that I read.

Read those issues featuring Gladiator and Hyperion i quoted to see those two fighting at super-speed. There's another example of Gladiator doing that in Simonson's run on F.F. And he STILL didn't beat the Hulk.

Kingdom Come may not be in continuity, but It's STILL shows Cap can be oblterated by a nuke. This was writtn by a prominent DC scribe.

"That's Infinitly more powerful than the Nuke Thor and Wonder Man survived" Really? Prove it. :cool: Kang's technology is hundreds, even THOUSANDS of years more advanced than the science of today.

So to sum up; You aven't successfully proved that these DC heroes are any more powerful than the Hulk is, yet I've given countless examples of the Hulk being able to preform feats just as Impressive as DC's guys, or beating Marvel guys who's feats and abilities, at the very LEAST, rival their DC counterparts.

Throw in Hulk's healing factor and unlimited strength and...well...do YOU concede? :cool:

Jakesteraholic

02-02-2003, 02:51 PM

What a ridiculous thread. Comparisons keep being made between Hulk and Superman and Thor and Green Lantern and Silver Surfer. Well guess what? There's no way you can compare any of them. I mean really, how do you know that Superman could beat Thor or that Green Lanter would school Hulk. The power levels are in different worlds; if DC and Marvel really went at it somewhere other than the crappy multiverse, you couldn't predict who would beat whom. How do you people know that Hulk isn't as strong as Superman, or that Green Lantern would beat Silver Surfer now? All your "evidence" of how they could beat each other by examples of previous feats of strength mean nothing. For the love of Mike.

Guyverjay

02-02-2003, 02:52 PM

Who is mike?

CaptainStacy

02-02-2003, 09:40 PM

You're right of course, Jake; at the end of the day, it's all just speculation. But it's all done in good fun. :)

arachnid_style

02-02-2003, 11:19 PM

Who's mike? Oh stupid question by the way , who did hulk fight in amalgam saga?

Gimili

02-03-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
"do i concede to it"? No. I thought i already established that GL is no where near the Surfer's level of power, as shown by the Surfer's embarassingly easy victory over him. So saying that if the Surfer can do it, GL can is moot.

"Dc heroes out class their Marvel counterparts" Really? Perhaps you didn't see my example of Hercules balancing the world compared to his DC couterpart balancing a mere "country". Herc also had little trouble with monsters in the stories that I read.

Read those issues featuring Gladiator and Hyperion i quoted to see those two fighting at super-speed. There's another example of Gladiator doing that in Simonson's run on F.F. And he STILL didn't beat the Hulk.

Kingdom Come may not be in continuity, but It's STILL shows Cap can be oblterated by a nuke. This was writtn by a prominent DC scribe.

"That's Infinitly more powerful than the Nuke Thor and Wonder Man survived" Really? Prove it. :cool: Kang's technology is hundreds, even THOUSANDS of years more advanced than the science of today.

So to sum up; You aven't successfully proved that these DC heroes are any more powerful than the Hulk is, yet I've given countless examples of the Hulk being able to preform feats just as Impressive as DC's guys, or beating Marvel guys who's feats and abilities, at the very LEAST, rival their DC counterparts.

Throw in Hulk's healing factor and unlimited strength and...well...do YOU concede? :cool:

Well, the fact is that it's proven that the Hulk's gamma can be drained. You've got to prove that GL somehow can't drain him. And not through GL's fight with the Silver Surfer. That doesn't remove GL's ability to drain energy. Besides, the Surfer's victory over GL was not as easy as you make it sound. They engaged in
a Jousting match, with a huge burst of energy from both. The Surfer emerged from the explosion victorious. However, the amount of energy the Surfer used indicates that this was a test for both of them. After all, I don't see any blocks get demolished when the Surfer gains easy victories.

(I do believe that, yes, the Silver Surfer should beat the Green Lantern, but you're really twisting the ease in Surfer's victory.)

Like I said, the Greek myths were rather inconsistent in the power
levels of their characters. Hercules had quite a hard time with that
hydra, which couldn't be considered anywhere near planet-lifting power.

Do Gladiator and Hyperion always fight at super-speed? Somehow I doubt it. Flying circles doesn't count. To escape the speed blitz, you will have to prove that when these guys fought the Hulk, they were not only moving, but also punching or kicking with their speed. Otherwise, everybody and their mother has lightspeed reflexes.

Kingdom Come is not in continuity. Therefore, it didn't happen. Galactus lost to the X-men in Age of Apocalypse. Even if you ignore facts and say that the JLA are in the same league as Thor, Iron Man, and the like, they are still well above the X-men's league, save a few exceptions. By your logic, the JLA can kick Galactus' ass, which we all know is nonsense.

You're completely ignoring my statement about Superman containing a supernova. Do you know what a supernova is? A supernova can destroy a solar system. I don't care how advanced
that nuke that those three guys took; a nuke is a nuke.

You're also ignoring my point that when Superman was far weaker than his now, a poor man's version of him survived a nuke. This doesn't work. You can't just ignore statements.

Another thing you're ignoring is my earlier claim that the Hulk's unlimited strength is not that user-friendly. He needs a lot of anger just to lift a mountain vs. Superman's moon-moving and now possibly even contain a universe destroying blast.

Oh, and the Hulk's healing factor is nowhere near quick enough to
repel a JLA beating. It took a couple panels just to replace a destroyed layer of skin.

Guyverjay

02-03-2003, 04:19 PM

Can you tell me some instances of GL draining energy?

Im not saying he can't, I'd just like some examples.

Jakesteraholic

02-03-2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
You're right of course, Jake; at the end of the day, it's all just speculation. But it's all done in good fun. :)
No it isn't.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :(

CaptainStacy

02-03-2003, 07:49 PM

Gimili; the Hulk's body produces Gamma radiation. Back in Tales To Astonish #92 (I believe), the Surfer used the POWER COSMIC to drain the Hulk's power. Unless GL is utilizing the Power Cosmic, there is not enough evidence to proove that he will be anymore successful at draining the Hulk of his power than, say, Absorbing Man.

In Greek Mythology, the Hydra had a healing factor on par with the Hulk's.

"do Gladiator and Superman always fight at super speed?" I don't know. Does Superman, Captain Marvel, etc.?

I realise KC is not continuity, but a prominent writer established that Captain Marvel would not survive a nuke. Thor beat CM, but can't seem to beat the Hulk. Ergo, Captain Marvel can't either. I have no idea what point you're trying to make about Galactus.

I haven't read JLA yet. I'm sure Superman did what you said, but how does that proove he would be sucessful against the Hulk.

I'm glad Supes can survive a nuke. I've shown examples where various Marvel characters survive worse. Yet...they STILL can't seem to beat the Hulk. Ergo, surviving a nuke is not sufficient proof that Superman can beat the Hulk.

"possibly containing a universe destroying blast." POSSIBLY? You said he DID. Make up your mind.

In battle with the U-Foes, Hulk regenerated over 70% of his body in seconds. Unless the JLA are planning murder, and we know they wouldn't, they aren't going to deliver life-threatening wounds to him. However, if they DID, the U-Foe battle prooves Hulk would survive.

Guyverjay

02-04-2003, 07:23 AM

I found it quite funny when he said " It took a couple panels just to replace a destroyed layer of skin." How inaccurate is that?

The Hulks got the best healing factor in Marvel and Captain stacy is right the Hydra could grow back any part of its body is seconds.

Another thing you're ignoring is my earlier claim that the Hulk's unlimited strength is not that user-friendly. He needs a lot of anger just to lift a mountain vs. Superman's moon-moving and now possibly even contain a universe destroying blast.

Thats also false he braced an entire mountain in secret wars, plus it was dropped on him from god knows how high up. He had Banner's brain at that time and wasn't angry at all. Plus he seemed to surpass Onslaughts strength in "a couple of panels" as you put it.

Containing a universe destroying blast? Why did they even bother offing pre crisis supes if they were just going to make the same mistake again by making supes more and more powerful every issue?

CaptainStacy

02-04-2003, 02:51 PM

Also; Super Nova's hardly destroy "the universe". Regardless, keep in mind that an exploding sun wouldn't be a big deal for Superman, as his powers are derived from them. He's basically basking in his own essense. So again; that wouldn't prove he's too tough for the Hulk to deal with.

Bapman

02-04-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by web-slinger
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jan walenta

02-04-2003, 03:19 PM

As powerful as Superman is rightnow his power doesn't scratch the surface of what Steel in the Aegis armor can do. You are talking about a guy who killed Doomsday for good like you or anyone else would step on and kill a bug. And in comparison to MArvel Characters Steel in the Aegis I have been told compares to a fully fed Galactus or the Celestials.

Bapman

02-04-2003, 03:20 PM

'Cause frankly idiots like Mr. SHAZAM n HERCULES taking down HULK ???
LISTEN TO YOURSELF !!!
DC Heroes n more leved up... true BUT tht's 'cause Marvel doesn't go OVERBOARD... ... ... ok maybe they do at times
BUT my point is tht DC hereos are pretty much ALL at the same level of power
BUT MARVEL ones vary a LITTLE too much
Batman fought against Superman to a stalemate... ... ... plain out REDICULOUSLY stupid BUT he did none the less... meaning same level character... wht powers he doesn't have makes up with his ingenuity.
Have you EVER seen DAREDEVIL go against HULK ??? FINE !!! ppl will say DD is weaker thn BATS
What about Cap Amrica ??? has he went alone ???
NO single "normal" superheroes have EVER gone against HULK straight atleast not in ANY issue I've read.

Hercules carrying n entire world... DUDE u think HULK CAN'T DO THT ??? DUDE he smashed a mountain in one "HULK SMASH" move !!! He took out ONSLAUGHT's armour with ONE FREAKIN HIT !!!

FANTASTIC FOUR... heck the ENTIRE Superhero team manages to win 'casue of him.

I think all you are kinda underestimating HULK's strength... DUDE !!! why do you THINK HULK is used as the EMBODIMENT of strength ??? Why not SUPERMAN ??? why not tht dumbass SHAZAM MAN or even HERCULES

'CAuse they have a LIMIT... no matter HOW AWESOMELY high... it STILL is a limit.
HULK... no limit... GET IT !!! NOOO LIMIT !!!

He took an ARMADA of a DAMN ADVANCED race as DARKSEID's race.

And you guy's talking about HULK VS. DC

This is SOOO STUPID !!!

JINoside

02-04-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by jan walenta
As powerful as Superman is rightnow his power doesn't scratch the surface of what Steel in the Aegis armor can do. You are talking about a guy who killed Doomsday for good like you or anyone else would step on and kill a bug. And in comparison to MArvel Characters Steel in the Aegis I have been told compares to a fully fed Galactus or the Celestials.

Dam, are you sure? A FULLY fed galactus:eek: :rolleyes: Thats a lot of power right theyre, TOO much actually. Most of the times we seen him hes hungry and hes strong as hell. Just imagine him fully fed;) :D .............

Gimili

02-04-2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
Gimili; the Hulk's body produces Gamma radiation. Back in Tales To Astonish #92 (I believe), the Surfer used the POWER COSMIC to drain the Hulk's power. Unless GL is utilizing the Power Cosmic, there is not enough evidence to proove that he will be anymore successful at draining the Hulk of his power than, say, Absorbing Man.

In Greek Mythology, the Hydra had a healing factor on par with the Hulk's.

"do Gladiator and Superman always fight at super speed?" I don't know. Does Superman, Captain Marvel, etc.?

I realise KC is not continuity, but a prominent writer established that Captain Marvel would not survive a nuke. Thor beat CM, but can't seem to beat the Hulk. Ergo, Captain Marvel can't either. I have no idea what point you're trying to make about Galactus.

I haven't read JLA yet. I'm sure Superman did what you said, but how does that proove he would be sucessful against the Hulk.

I'm glad Supes can survive a nuke. I've shown examples where various Marvel characters survive worse. Yet...they STILL can't seem to beat the Hulk. Ergo, surviving a nuke is not sufficient proof that Superman can beat the Hulk.

"possibly containing a universe destroying blast." POSSIBLY? You said he DID. Make up your mind.

In battle with the U-Foes, Hulk regenerated over 70% of his body in seconds. Unless the JLA are planning murder, and we know they wouldn't, they aren't going to deliver life-threatening wounds to him. However, if they DID, the U-Foe battle prooves Hulk would survive.

The Silver Surfer did use the Power Cosmic to drain the Hulk, but he only has so much access to it. An impressive absorbsion feat for the Surfer is abosorbing a star.

And what's to stop the Green Lantern from launching the Hulk into
space and leaving him to float around until he eventually reverts to Banner?

Do Superman and Captain Marvel always do speed-blitzes? Not always, but usually they do. Gladiator has got to take somebody out in the blink of an eye before you can take this further. Besides, Spider-man has danced circles around the Hulk.

Whoever said that Captain Marvel cannot take a nuke is wrong. If
he couldn't, he'd be paste on contact with Superman's fists. Are you prepared to say he's less durable than Superboy was in the early 90s? Because that's kinda where you're going.

Thor beat Captain Marvel. Superman beat the Hulk. A weaker and rookie Green Lantern did a lot better against the Silver Surfer than the Hulk did. Except for Superman's victory over the Hulk, I don't think any of these three fights made sense. Still, there was a lot of bad writing during the Marvel/DC crossover era, and will probably be again in JLA/Avengers. Scenes like Batman beating Carnage without heat or sound and bone claw Wolverine cutting through Thanos come to mind.

As you know, I brought up the supernova incident to bring in some reality to your view of DC's power levels. He can also officially move the moon and in one issue, he actually split a moon
in half with the aid of his speed. I can link you to scan of it if you want.

Superman would not have trouble surviving a nuke.

I said "possibly contain a universe destroying blast" because I'm not quick to conclude that these things are canon unless they've happened more than once. The same goes for Superman splitting a moon and those guys surviving a nuke.

Who says the JLA actually need to kill the Hulk? All they need to do is knock him out like Abomination, Apocalypse, and the Juggernaut did.

Just out of curiosity: how much JLA have you read?

jan walenta

02-04-2003, 04:58 PM

While Hulks strength is limitless it takes him longer to get to that point than it takes other hero's. Now I like you believe that if Herculescan lift a planet so can Hulk. Hulk has over powered Hercules everytime they have faced each other. Superman in my opinion is starting to go to far. DC seems so desperate that they are making superman do things that aren't even physically possible. Holding and crushing a blackhole with his barehands. Hell Superman is the only character in DC with these types of feats that I know of. Guys like Shazaam who has been said to be Superman's equal in every aspect isn;t given feats like this. DC wants you to beliece Superman is the most powerful being there is, but he isn't Doomsday killed and beat his ass twice after that. Then Superman beat him in Doomsday REX. But not even Doomsday who was proven to be physically superior to Superman doesn't have those feats.

Gimili

02-04-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Bapman
'Cause frankly idiots like Mr. SHAZAM n HERCULES taking down HULK ???
LISTEN TO YOURSELF !!!
DC Heroes n more leved up... true BUT tht's 'cause Marvel doesn't go OVERBOARD... ... ... ok maybe they do at times
BUT my point is tht DC hereos are pretty much ALL at the same level of power
BUT MARVEL ones vary a LITTLE too much
Batman fought against Superman to a stalemate... ... ... plain out REDICULOUSLY stupid BUT he did none the less... meaning same level character... wht powers he doesn't have makes up with his ingenuity.
Have you EVER seen DAREDEVIL go against HULK ??? FINE !!! ppl will say DD is weaker thn BATS
What about Cap Amrica ??? has he went alone ???
NO single "normal" superheroes have EVER gone against HULK straight atleast not in ANY issue I've read.

Hercules carrying n entire world... DUDE u think HULK CAN'T DO THT ??? DUDE he smashed a mountain in one "HULK SMASH" move !!! He took out ONSLAUGHT's armour with ONE FREAKIN HIT !!!

FANTASTIC FOUR... heck the ENTIRE Superhero team manages to win 'casue of him.

I think all you are kinda underestimating HULK's strength... DUDE !!! why do you THINK HULK is used as the EMBODIMENT of strength ??? Why not SUPERMAN ??? why not tht dumbass SHAZAM MAN or even HERCULES

'CAuse they have a LIMIT... no matter HOW AWESOMELY high... it STILL is a limit.
HULK... no limit... GET IT !!! NOOO LIMIT !!!

He took an ARMADA of a DAMN ADVANCED race as DARKSEID's race.

And you guy's talking about HULK VS. DC

This is SOOO STUPID !!!

DC heroes are more powerful than Marvel ones, save the entities.
Saying Marvel doesn't go too far is no excuse. The fact is that Marvel doesn't give their heroes as much power. Deal with it.

Batman doesn't fight powered characters Daredevil style. He uses
his brain and clever plans thought through in advance. In the Marvel Universe, Dr. Doom, with his intelligence, has beat people the Hulk can't touch.

I explained before, Hercules could have (doesn't mean he did) held up the world according to myths that portrayed him inconsistently. The Hulk might do that, if he were angry for a few hours, but until then, forget it.

Onslaught wanted the Hulk to smash his body. He was not actively opposing the Hulk. Otherwise, the Hulk wouldn't have gotten to him. It is also notable that the Hulk was fresh off a power-up at the time.

The Hulk's strength is potentially limitless, but that doesn't make it as user-friendly as you describe. To dispute this point, you'll have to explain why the Thing, Thor, and Iron man can last a 1/100th of the time they do. Not even the Mindless Hulk's strength was as convenient as you describe it.

Fact is, with Superman's speed, he can take the Hulk out before he becomes strong enough to even lift a city.

JINoside

02-04-2003, 05:39 PM

um...........Captain Marvel's a weaklink:rolleyes: our Captain would wip your Captain in seconds. Especially when he goes crazy. Cap.Marvel could take hits, but hes not good at it.......

Some DC heroes are more stronger than Marvels, but it applies to both really....

Hulk could take superman anytime ands crap everysingle time hes lost agaisnt him. Like when superma punched Hulk into the grand canyon ad superman winning after wards, its bull. Emideatlly after Hulk would have been touched he would have been pissed, slowly makin him stronger. But i didn't even see Hulk get stronger one bit. I mean, looking at the fight again he was gettin man handled. Mindless Hulk, he has no thought or remorse for his actions. Filled with more rage than any of the Hulk's, hes pure rage and strength, superman would be beaten easier here. Its admitable that he has a better chance with anyother of Hulk's incarnations except mindless Hulk....

JLA vs. Hulk. No matter what, if superman's absent from this........theyre goin down.....

Erik Magnus Lehnsherr

02-04-2003, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by JINoside
Dam, are you sure? A FULLY fed galactus:eek: :rolleyes: Thats a lot of power right theyre, TOO much actually. Most of the times we seen him hes hungry and hes strong as hell. Just imagine him fully fed;) :D .............

Fully Fed Galactus is like well...Godly. If his hunger was ever fulfilled, he'd be extrememly powerful, and could kick any mortal's ass.

web-slinger

02-04-2003, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Erik Magnus Lehnsherr
Fully Fed Galactus is like well...Godly. If his hunger was ever fulfilled, he'd be extrememly powerful, and could kick any mortal's ass. Including yours, eh, Magneto?;)

CaptainStacy

02-05-2003, 02:03 PM

"what's to stop GL from launching the Hulk into space" Why, the Hulk himself, of course. Hulk has crushed force fields before, including Dr. Strange's, the Sorceror Supreme of the Marvel Universe. If Hulk doesn't want to go anywhere, he's not going to. If it becomes a battle of wills, well, like I said earlier; GL will tire LONG before the Hulk does.

Super-strong speedsters lke Hyperion and Gladiator have BOTH taken out Wonder-Man with super-speed. Not sure what your point is about Spider-Man. He's Marvel, not DC. Besides, you're not suggesting Spider-Man could out-last the Hulk...are you?

Mark Waid sez Captain Marvel can't take a nuke. Go discuss it with him. :cool: Regardless; let's say Cap could withstand it. He STILL has to deal with an opponent with limitless strength and healing capabilities.

I agree, to some extent about the Marvel/DC mini series. Wolverine, Storm, Aquaman, and Batman should NOT have won their respective battles, but that's discussion for a whole DIFFERENT debate. ;)

I've been reading JLA off and on for thirty years or so. I stopped shortly after the Tower Of Babel arc.

Bapman

02-05-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
DC heroes are more powerful than Marvel ones, save the entities.
Saying Marvel doesn't go too far is no excuse. The fact is that Marvel doesn't give their heroes as much power. Deal with it.

Batman doesn't fight powered characters Daredevil style. He uses
his brain and clever plans thought through in advance. In the Marvel Universe, Dr. Doom, with his intelligence, has beat people the Hulk can't touch.

I explained before, Hercules could have (doesn't mean he did) held up the world according to myths that portrayed him inconsistently. The Hulk might do that, if he were angry for a few hours, but until then, forget it.

Onslaught wanted the Hulk to smash his body. He was not actively opposing the Hulk. Otherwise, the Hulk wouldn't have gotten to him. It is also notable that the Hulk was fresh off a power-up at the time.

The Hulk's strength is potentially limitless, but that doesn't make it as user-friendly as you describe. To dispute this point, you'll have to explain why the Thing, Thor, and Iron man can last a 1/100th of the time they do. Not even the Mindless Hulk's strength was as convenient as you describe it.

Fact is, with Superman's speed, he can take the Hulk out before he becomes strong enough to even lift a city.

Ok yes I do agree... HULK is "potentially" stronger but dude... how u HONESTLY belive tht HULK won't reach any other heroes strenth limit after a little brawl ???

Fine! ONSLAUGHT wanted him to break the armour BUT DUDE the fact remains... HULK did BREAK it... sssooo I think its NOT tht much difficult to imagine how STRONG he is.

Who has DR. DOOM beat th HULK can't touch ???

N dude... my example was tht Batman is an overrated character... he can do everything... which I think is just outright stupid. Regardless of a beforehand plan.

N No dude... I meant in MARVEL the power levels r completely differnt...
One hero has VERY little power... the others have TOO MUCH POWER !!!

And regarding the GALACTUS topic... ... ... dude ANYONE who thinks anyone can take on GALACTUS is just... well... I don't stupid... ... ...

BTW ONE QUESTION... wht about BEYONDER... can he take out GALACTUS ???

and here's n interesting point my FRND made...
Superman can come at super speed from a MILES away n hit HULK hard enough to send him to space.
HULK can thn die of suffocation... ... ... is that possible ???

Gimili

02-05-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
"what's to stop GL from launching the Hulk into space" Why, the Hulk himself, of course. Hulk has crushed force fields before, including Dr. Strange's, the Sorceror Supreme of the Marvel Universe. If Hulk doesn't want to go anywhere, he's not going to. If it becomes a battle of wills, well, like I said earlier; GL will tire LONG before the Hulk does.

Super-strong speedsters lke Hyperion and Gladiator have BOTH taken out Wonder-Man with super-speed. Not sure what your point is about Spider-Man. He's Marvel, not DC. Besides, you're not suggesting Spider-Man could out-last the Hulk...are you?

Mark Waid sez Captain Marvel can't take a nuke. Go discuss it with him. :cool: Regardless; let's say Cap could withstand it. He STILL has to deal with an opponent with limitless strength and healing capabilities.

I agree, to some extent about the Marvel/DC mini series. Wolverine, Storm, Aquaman, and Batman should NOT have won their respective battles, but that's discussion for a whole DIFFERENT debate. ;)

I've been reading JLA off and on for thirty years or so. I stopped shortly after the Tower Of Babel arc.

The Green Lantern's force fields can hold up to Amazo, who has the combined powers fo the entire JLA. Therefore, the Hulk will have to be mad for a while to break GL's concentration. Especially
since once he's lifted into the air, the Hulk's ability to fight against the pull decreases tremendously. Besides, a fraction of a second is all GL needs anyway. And this doesn't conflict with my earlier point about GL's reflexes, since this feat is equal to flying in a super-fast straight line.

I'm not suggesting that Spider-man could outlast the Hulk. All I'm saying is that Spider-man proved that speed is a valid weapon against the Hulk. When he danced circles around him, we saw multiple images of Spidey around the Hulk to indicate how well he
was doing it.

OK, Gladiator can and Hyperion did use their speed against certain people, assuming you're not leaving out certain facts. Was
he clearly attempting a speed-blitz against the Hulk?

Regardless of what some former JLA writer thinks, how can Captain Marvel take a Superman punch if he can't survive a nuke?

Gimili

02-05-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Bapman
Ok yes I do agree... HULK is "potentially" stronger but dude... how u HONESTLY belive tht HULK won't reach any other heroes strenth limit after a little brawl ???

Fine! ONSLAUGHT wanted him to break the armour BUT DUDE the fact remains... HULK did BREAK it... sssooo I think its NOT tht much difficult to imagine how STRONG he is.

Who has DR. DOOM beat th HULK can't touch ???

N dude... my example was tht Batman is an overrated character... he can do everything... which I think is just outright stupid. Regardless of a beforehand plan.

N No dude... I meant in MARVEL the power levels r completely differnt...
One hero has VERY little power... the others have TOO MUCH POWER !!!

And regarding the GALACTUS topic... ... ... dude ANYONE who thinks anyone can take on GALACTUS is just... well... I don't stupid... ... ...

BTW ONE QUESTION... wht about BEYONDER... can he take out GALACTUS ???

and here's n interesting point my FRND made...
Superman can come at super speed from a MILES away n hit HULK hard enough to send him to space.
HULK can thn die of suffocation... ... ... is that possible ???

If the Hulk's strength was that convenient, how can... about anybody brawl with him for an extended period of time? Why did Thor last long enough to realize that the Hulk's strength was increasing to no end. The fact is that it seems to be a more gradual thing. The Mindless Hulk was angry 24/7, but the pounding he gave the Silver Surfer was recovered from right after the Hulk left. Wonder why?

The Hulk was fresh off a power-up when he ripped into Onslaught. It didn't just happen because Onslaught allowed it.

Dr. Doom has beat the Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Beyonder, and a host of others. Please note that all the above guys can beat the
Hulk with ease.

The Beyonder was able to actually kick Galactus' ass. Galactus' powers are based on this galaxy; the Beyonder could just think away this galaxy.

Superman can survive in space. If properly portrayed, the Hulk's reflexes and speed are crap in comparison to Supes'.

Guyverjay

02-05-2003, 04:47 PM

Dont know know what your on about, Doom never beat the beyonder. He stole the beyonder's power yes but then the beyonder tricked doom into giving it back,hardly a victory in my eyes. In fact Doom didn't beat Galactus or surfer either,he just steals their powers from them and then loses them again. I suppose they are kind of victories but he always loses his new found powers and ends up back where he started.

Oh yeah Doom battled the beyonder with Galactus's stolen power and even though he really didn't have a clue on how to use them he still managed to take beyonders powers away from him so I don't think a Galactus vs Beyonder fight would be as simple as you put it.

What power up are you taking about? I don't remember one could you tell me what happened?

Don't forget that all the fights your mostly talking about had various different incarnations of the Hulk. They aren't all the same one. Bannerless hulk can increase its strength probably a 100 fold in minutes. Yes Onslaught wanted his armour broken but your forgetting the fact that the X-men,Avengers,FF,Doom,Black panther and a host of others all attacking at the same time couldn't do it.

What about the heroes reborn Hulk that got his strength from a pocket universe?

CaptainStacy

02-05-2003, 04:56 PM

Being able to contain Amazo doesn't mean GL can contain the Hulk. :cool:

Gimili

02-06-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Dont know know what your on about, Doom never beat the beyonder. He stole the beyonder's power yes but then the beyonder tricked doom into giving it back,hardly a victory in my eyes. In fact Doom didn't beat Galactus or surfer either,he just steals their powers from them and then loses them again. I suppose they are kind of victories but he always loses his new found powers and ends up back where he started.

Oh yeah Doom battled the beyonder with Galactus's stolen power and even though he really didn't have a clue on how to use them he still managed to take beyonders powers away from him so I don't think a Galactus vs Beyonder fight would be as simple as you put it.

What power up are you taking about? I don't remember one could you tell me what happened?

Don't forget that all the fights your mostly talking about had various different incarnations of the Hulk. They aren't all the same one. Bannerless hulk can increase its strength probably a 100 fold in minutes. Yes Onslaught wanted his armour broken but your forgetting the fact that the X-men,Avengers,FF,Doom,Black panther and a host of others all attacking at the same time couldn't do it.

What about the heroes reborn Hulk that got his strength from a pocket universe?

Doom beats cosmic entities. Sure, he loses their powers back, but
that first victory remains intact.

If you think that Galactus vs. Beyonder is that competetive, then you need to read Secret Wars 2. In this series, it was revealed that he was more powerful than a bunch of entities, including the Living Tribunal.

The Hulk's power-up was Jean Grey turning off Bruce Banner's mind in the battle with Onslaught. That was how he was able to bust through the armor.

Guyverjay

02-06-2003, 06:05 PM

Doom beats cosmic entities. Sure, he loses their powers back, but

There not true victorys, he steals their powers (most of the time behind their back without them even knowing till its too late) but he never beat them. If I stole your car does that mean I beat you? He merely inconvienced them.

If you think that Galactus vs. Beyonder is that competetive, then you need to read Secret Wars 2. In this series, it was revealed that he was more powerful than a bunch of entities, including the Living Tribunal.

I got the series, but what you fail to realise that DR Doom Stole the beyonder's powers using Galactus's powers to battle him. Now Dr Doom didn't have any experience with these abilities or have the vast god like knowledge of Galactus but managed to take beyonders powers away from him. So I think Galactus using his own powers would AT LEAST put up the same fight Doom did.

The Beyonder was later revealed to be only only 1 half of a cosmic cube,he was not more powerful than Living tribunal or any of the other entities. Yeah I know that doesn't make sense because in secret wars 2 he clearly had all of them scared stiff. But its in the continuity now.

The Hulk's power-up was Jean Grey turning off Bruce Banner's mind in the battle with Onslaught. That was how he was able to bust through the armor.

That isn't a power up thats just another incarnation of the HULK (mindless Hulk), that wasn't the first time that incarnation has been seen. The power has always been inside him along with all the other Hulk persona's Devil hulk etc etc.

In Secret Wars 2, #8: Beyonder searches for the Hulk and finds him in the desert. Hulk attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the Hulk in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the Hulks inner potential:
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (refering to himself)

I got this from another site:

"The hulk however is not always uberstrong. His strength is dependent upon his current anger level. At times the Hulk can be just above the Thing. At other times the Hulk can reach levels beyond any of the other heroes (on rare instances). But it is a subconcsious matter and the Hulk cannot control when or how mad he gets. Its not up to him. Thats why he at sometimes isn't strong enough to win some fights. But *potentially* he can be strong enough to overcome pretty much anyone"

web-slinger

02-06-2003, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
That isn't a power up thats just another incarnation of the HULK (mindless Hulk), that wasn't the first time that incarnation has been seen. The power has always been inside him along with all the other Hulk persona's Devil hulk etc etc.
Well, actually, I always kinda figured that the Hulk we saw after Jean Grey shut Banner 'off' was just the childish, raging Hulk we'd always seen. Banner had been in control of the Hulk persona, keeping it supressed until Jean Grey forced Banner's persona down, and allowed Hulk to resurface, because Banner could not acheive the same power level, or 'the madder he gets the stronger he gets' state that the child-like, raging Hulk can. The mindless Hulk didn't appear until after Banner had been completely and utterly seperated from the Hulk by the transformation of Onslaught, and then thrown into an alternate dimension by Franklin Richards after he jumped into Onslaught's psionic form.

Guyverjay

02-06-2003, 08:25 PM

I don't agree, the amount of power displayed by that Hulk was unlike anything seen before. The normal hulk always wanted to be left alone and only fought when provoked. The bannerless hulk just tore into Onslaught without warning.

Gimili

02-07-2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
There not true victorys, he steals their powers (most of the time behind their back without them even knowing till its too late) but he never beat them. If I stole your car does that mean I beat you? He merely inconvienced them.

I got the series, but what you fail to realise that DR Doom Stole the beyonder's powers using Galactus's powers to battle him. Now Dr Doom didn't have any experience with these abilities or have the vast god like knowledge of Galactus but managed to take beyonders powers away from him. So I think Galactus using his own powers would AT LEAST put up the same fight Doom did.

The Beyonder was later revealed to be only only 1 half of a cosmic cube,he was not more powerful than Living tribunal or any of the other entities. Yeah I know that doesn't make sense because in secret wars 2 he clearly had all of them scared stiff. But its in the continuity now.

That isn't a power up thats just another incarnation of the HULK (mindless Hulk), that wasn't the first time that incarnation has been seen. The power has always been inside him along with all the other Hulk persona's Devil hulk etc etc.

In Secret Wars 2, #8: Beyonder searches for the Hulk and finds him in the desert. Hulk attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the Hulk in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the Hulks inner potential:
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (refering to himself)

I got this from another site:

"The hulk however is not always uberstrong. His strength is dependent upon his current anger level. At times the Hulk can be just above the Thing. At other times the Hulk can reach levels beyond any of the other heroes (on rare instances). But it is a subconcsious matter and the Hulk cannot control when or how mad he gets. Its not up to him. Thats why he at sometimes isn't strong enough to win some fights. But *potentially* he can be strong enough to overcome pretty much anyone"

True, Doom does steal the entities' powers and leaves, but before
he does the latter, he clearly has to opportunity to erase their existances.

Doom's strategy for beating the Beyonder was one that Galactus
has never tried. It's also notable that the Doom nearly died in the battle. He may have been inexperienced, but he still had Galactus'
power.

I'll concede the argument about the Beyonder's power level. I should note, however, that this is the stupidest retcon this side of
Doom's "my losses were against Doombots" retcon.

The Mindless Hulk is more powerful than the Savage Hulk. Why? Because the Mindless Hulk's anger is far beyond any the Savage Hulk uses very much. Onslaught would have had to provoke the Savage Hulk for quite a while to be able to get out of his armor.

And it is worth noting that the Mindless Hulk performed way, way better against the Silver Surfer than the Savage version did.

web-slinger

02-21-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
The Mindless Hulk is more powerful than the Savage Hulk. Why? Because the Mindless Hulk's anger is far beyond any the Savage Hulk uses very much. Onslaught would have had to provoke the Savage Hulk for quite a while to be able to get out of his armor.I agree that the mindless Hulk was quite stronger than the savage Hulk, but I disagree that the Hulk we saw attack Onslaught had to have been the mindless one because it was able to crack Onslaught's armor. Think about it. Onslaught wanted his armor to be cracked. He knew he had reached a stage where if he could break out of his armor, he would become pure psionic energy. He may have looked like he was putting up a fight against Hulk, but in all reality, he wanted Hulk to batter him relentlessly. Therefore, its very possible the savage Hulk was the Hulk we saw fight Onslaught. It wasn't until Banner's persona was no longer a part of the Hulk (because they'd been seperated by the energies released when Onslaught transformed) that the mindless Hulk appeared, because the savage personality of the Hulk no longer had Banner's rationale to reign him in.

Gimili

03-06-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by web-slinger
I agree that the mindless Hulk was quite stronger than the savage Hulk, but I disagree that the Hulk we saw attack Onslaught had to have been the mindless one because it was able to crack Onslaught's armor. Think about it. Onslaught wanted his armor to be cracked. He knew he had reached a stage where if he could break out of his armor, he would become pure psionic energy. He may have looked like he was putting up a fight against Hulk, but in all reality, he wanted Hulk to batter him relentlessly. Therefore, its very possible the savage Hulk was the Hulk we saw fight Onslaught. It wasn't until Banner's persona was no longer a part of the Hulk (because they'd been seperated by the energies released when Onslaught transformed) that the mindless Hulk appeared, because the savage personality of the Hulk no longer had Banner's rationale to reign him in.

It may be debatable, but it's still clear that even if this was the Savage Hulk, he still had plot devices helping him out against Onslaught.

Guyverjay

03-06-2003, 07:06 PM

Jean Grey switched Banner OFF,as in gone he wasn't still active in the Hulk's subconcious. So I say it was The Mindless Hulk. People keep saying Onslaught wanted his armour broken which is true but the rest of Marvel couldn't do it. Hell Onslaught himself could even remove his own armour. Hulk did it!

Gimili

03-11-2003, 10:05 PM

With a greater rage than can be utilized in a typical fight. The difference between the potential to do something at all and the potential to do something casually is about a hundred years.

Spider-Hulk

03-12-2003, 10:55 AM

Plot devices? Every time the Hulk performs an impressive feat its just poo pooed, "plot devices" Onslought got his little sheel cracked by the Hulk, since the Hulk was the Banner Controlled Hulk during secret wars, when Jean Grey "turned him off" All she did was allow the Savage Hulk to regain control, if it was mindless Hulk why didnt he tear, thorugh everybody else? Why did he go straight for Onslaught. That was not a Power Up that is utter Bo11ock$ and you know it!

Hulk does not have "potential" for unlimited strength hes GOT IT! He held up a mountain, up rooted the blob, lifted mandarins castle, and many more! This is a guy whose whole powers come from strength. The strength thing is a subconscious element he gets as much strenght as is needed for each situation, thats how it works so im told, hence forth its limitless.

Quit taking credit away from Hulks acheivments.

As for beating Superman, he probably could if he had enough strength, although because of Supes' crazy power levels, Hulk and a vast number of other Marvel heroes would get their butts handed to them, by Supes

Gimili

03-15-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Plot devices? Every time the Hulk performs an impressive feat its just poo pooed, "plot devices" Onslought got his little sheel cracked by the Hulk, since the Hulk was the Banner Controlled Hulk during secret wars, when Jean Grey "turned him off" All she did was allow the Savage Hulk to regain control, if it was mindless Hulk why didnt he tear, thorugh everybody else? Why did he go straight for Onslaught. That was not a Power Up that is utter Bo11ock$ and you know it!

Hulk does not have "potential" for unlimited strength hes GOT IT! He held up a mountain, up rooted the blob, lifted mandarins castle, and many more! This is a guy whose whole powers come from strength. The strength thing is a subconscious element he gets as much strenght as is needed for each situation, thats how it works so im told, hence forth its limitless.

Quit taking credit away from Hulks acheivments.

As for beating Superman, he probably could if he had enough strength, although because of Supes' crazy power levels, Hulk and a vast number of other Marvel heroes would get their butts handed to them, by Supes

Look, that was clearly a power-up. Even if what you're saying is true, he was fresh off his Mindless Hulk anger. Not the kind of anger that comes in a typical fight.

If the Hulk's strenght is infinite, regardless of his own anger, then how does... just about anybody survive punches from him. From how you describe him, the time the Silver Surfer took Hulk punches without being fazed is by far the worst portrayal of a character ever!

Spider-Hulk

03-16-2003, 04:30 AM

The surfer is a cosmic entity a former herald of Galactus, hence forth hes got some serious powers, thats probably how he took punches from the Hulk, and if Hulk wasnt pumped up enough thats how he shook them off. SS aint a weakling, his base strength is 100 tons too. Silver Surfer has far more powers than the Hulk does, like I said all Hulks abilities are based on sheer Strength.

No Ifs buts or maybes the Hulks strength is unlimited.

No the Surfer taking punches is not bad writting he was just using his cosmic powers to shield him from them thats how he took the punches.

Anymore questions?

Gimili

03-17-2003, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
The surfer is a cosmic entity a former herald of Galactus, hence forth hes got some serious powers, thats probably how he took punches from the Hulk, and if Hulk wasnt pumped up enough thats how he shook them off. SS aint a weakling, his base strength is 100 tons too. Silver Surfer has far more powers than the Hulk does, like I said all Hulks abilities are based on sheer Strength.

No Ifs buts or maybes the Hulks strength is unlimited.

No the Surfer taking punches is not bad writting he was just using his cosmic powers to shield him from them thats how he took the punches.

Anymore questions?

I know how powerful the Silver Surfer is. In fact, he, unlike the Hulk, would beat most if not all DC's flagship heroes. But the fact is that when he took the Hulk's punches, it was with his own durability. It was not due to altering his body to reject physical attacks or something.

And if you want, I can definitely give you a list of others who have
taken enraged Hulk punches.

Daredevil-1

03-18-2003, 12:08 AM

I don't understand...Green Lantern would wipe the floor with the Hulk. I mean...the Hulk is green. Kyle (or Hal, or John, or freaking ANYBODY) would just pick him apart in seconds.

JINoside

03-18-2003, 03:51 PM

Not really, even though GL has a lot of power with his ring, he wouldn't be able to contain Hulk if he tried. If he would try to fight him normally he would ovbiously be knocked back to last week:rolleyes: . If he would try a shield or anything with the ring, Hulk would break it. So Hulk would beat GL. The power ring would probably run out of juice(as its done in the past) before Hulk even starts to get angry:rolleyes: ..........

Spider-Hulk

03-18-2003, 05:31 PM

Fine give me a list, it probably wont be very big, so go ahead it should make me chuckle if nothing else.

You know about the Surfers power huh? Then why did you bring him up if you already knew? Also not just anybody can take Hulk punches you know, only a select few could brawl with the Hulk and win. People have taken the punches and came back but they didnt just laugh them off you know.

Also that thing with Onslaught was not a power up as it was the Hulks own ability which did it, a power-up to me implies an external or foreign source of extra energy not contained within the charecter itself.

So get off your high horse pal, Hulk is the Strongest in the MU and like it or not, he can go toe to toe with the best of em.

By the Way what DC hero couldnt Hulk beat? Superman? Green Lantern(what a crap name)? The DC heroes are way over powered. Do you remember how Batman beat Hulk? He kicked him in the stomach causing him to breathe in sleeping gas, as if Hulks chest couldnt take a kick from an ordinary man? As if a sleeping gas could KO hulk too. DC are way over-pumped.

Also I highly doubt Silver Surfer could beat ALL of DC so called "Flagship" heroes.

Guyverjay

03-18-2003, 05:51 PM

Surfer would beat all the JLA, not at the same time of course. I mean one on one.

jan walenta

03-18-2003, 06:01 PM

I agree.

JINoside

03-18-2003, 06:02 PM

Oh man that IS crap:mad: its a good thing i havent read that comic. Oh well, as it is with most comics heroes allways win and in that story i guess Batman was the hero. Hulk has been knoecked out a few times by gas but its allways been either some really strong ass gas(i mean really)or gas beign contained in a helmet covering Hulks face, even though its usually used to contain him not nessesarilly knock him out.......

Gimili

03-18-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Fine give me a list, it probably wont be very big, so go ahead it should make me chuckle if nothing else.

Thor
Thing
Spider-man
Wolverine
Abomination
Iron Man
Juggernaut

Big enough for you?

You know about the Surfers power huh? Then why did you bring him up if you already knew? Also not just anybody could take Hulk punches you know, only a select few could brawl with the Hulk and win. People have taken the punches and came back but they didn't just laugh them off you know.

I do know the Surfer's power. But if the Hulk is using infinite strength, literally nothing tangible can take his punches.

Also that thing with Onslaught was not a power up as it was the Hulk's own ability which did it, a power up to me implies an external or foreign source of extra energy not contained within the charecter itself.

Any way you slice it, the Hulk was using an amount of anger he couldn't possibly have in his usual fight. Plus, you have not addressed the fact that Onslaught wanted the Hulk to smash his armor.

So get off your high horse pal, Hulk is the strongest inthe MU whether you like it or not.

What does this have to do with anything? I haven't even made comparisons between the Hulk and his fellow Marvel characters in this thread.

By the Way what DC hero couldn't Hulk beat? Superman? Green Lantern(what a crap name)? The DC heroes are way overpowered.

I get that feeling myself at times, but this is not the place to mention it. If you say it when arguing who can beat who, I'm you come off like a crybaby.

Do you remember how Batman beat Hulk?

If this the usual power level Batman is at in your mind, then you obviously don't know much about DC. Bad writing happens at times. Spider-man beat the Silver Surfer. Should that have happened? Of course not.

And I highly doubt Silver Surfer could beat ALL of DC so-called "flagship" heroes.

One-on-one, he could. I never said anything about him beating all of them at once.

Spider-Hulk

03-19-2003, 08:35 AM

That list is very small, you made it seem like the whole marvel universe could just take a Hulk punch.

Second the Silver Surfer is not tangible, he is a cosmic entity and his powers are cosmic in nature, he can use them to protect himself obviously. So I wouldnt say it was his own durability I reckon he knew the power of the Hulk so didnt just rely on physical prowess alone to take the punches.

So what about Onslaughts armour? Hulk broke it the end, whether Onslaught wanted it or not. Onslaught couldnt break it himself, he needed somebody to do it for him Hulk did it. whats the big deal there?

Apologies about the fighting bit, I thought you meant at the same time, my bad, He could knock out Supes with a thought GL would just run away, and Batman would need a new pair of undies to wear over his pants. so if u mean it like that yeah.

Gimili

03-20-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
That list is very small, you made it seem like the whole marvel universe could just take a Hulk punch.

Depends on the Hulk's anger level at the time as to whether or not he can one-shot those people out.

Second the Silver Surfer is not tangible, he is a cosmic entity and his powers are cosmic in nature, and he can use them to protect himself obviously. So I wouldnt say it was his own durability I reckon he knew the power of the Hulk so didnt just rely on physical prowess alone to take the punches.

If the Silver Surfer isn't tangible, why didn't the Hulk's fists pass through him like the wind. Because if the Surfer was intangible, he'd be literally untouchable. Besides, where was it saying that the Surfer was altering his structure or something to take the blows.

So what about Onslaughts armour. Hulk broke it in the end, whether Onslaught wanted it or not. Onslaught couldn't break it himself, he needed somebody to do it for him and Hulk did
it. whats the big deal there?

The fact that the Hulk obviously had some help to get to that anger level.

Apologies about the fighting bit.

Okay.

He could knock out Supes with a thought.

Then why did Thor fight him at length? Besides, the Hulk's adrenaline rush takes to long for him to knock Superman out. And as I pointed out earlier, Superman has super-speed. He can score
hundreds, thousands or possibly even tens of thousands of punches before the Hulk can even form a thought. And as he reels back, the amount of hits the Hulk takes continues and multiplies. The Hulk is not going to take that kind of abuse.

GL would just run away.

Why? He's never shown himself to be a coward. Plus, he can just drain the Hulk's gamma radiation, send him into space, or bombard him with an army of JLA constructs.

And Batman would need a new pair of undies to wear over his pants.

I hope you're just kidding about Batman wetting his pants.

Spider-Hulk

03-20-2003, 02:37 PM

Surfer has a multitude of powers at his disposible what surfer can do is kinda blurry, he is very very powerful is the surfer.

Hulk had help, his full strength was being restrained by Banner, Jean Grey simply removed the constraint unleashing the Hulks Unlimited Strength.

I was talking about Surfer fighting Supes GL and Batman. Not Hulk, although Hulk could beat GL, if GL couldnt figure out to drain the Gamma Radiation. But if Hulk was freaking he wouldnt be that adversely effected, think of when Hulk fought the Galaxy master, he got so enraged that the Gamma attack from Galaxy Master didnt even slow him down.

No Im not kidding about Batman wetting his pants, for pitys sake, Savage Banner could do the Bat.

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by arachnid_style
Who'd you think in the DC universe can take out hulk?

1.Superman
2. GL.
3.WW.
4. Batman
5. Spectre
6. Flash.
7. Others.
8. Every freaking hero in DC.

NONE, THEY ALL WOULD BE SMASHED TO PIECES!!!!! :wolverine

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by geezo
Batman did take Hulk down the one time they fought, but it was ridiculous. He kicked Hulk in the guts so he'd inhale sleeping gas. Please! As if Hulk's abs couldn't withstand a kick from a puny human. Bah!

Actually HULK´s abs could withstand a train-crash, but as you see THE HULK in those days was considered a sparring for the ALL-MIGHTY DC heroes, thank GOD times have changed and are changing even more, now that THE HULK movie is about to be released THE HULK will be considered by everyone(DC editors included) as THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!!

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Let's see.

this plus the fact that his force field can hold up to Superman indicates that we'd have a sequel to the time the Silver Surfer drained the Hulk's gamma and changed him back into Bruce Banner.

How dare you cmpare THE COSMIC POWER to that "PUNY" green plasma light????

By the way an angry HULK could resist the mind control even of THE SPECTRE!!!:mad:

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Yeah but this isn't Hal jordan and this isn't the same ring either.

GEE MAN!!! THAT WAS BRILLIANT!!! ;)

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
And GL can hold out against the Hulk for a while. His force field and aura can hold up to blows from Superman, and the Hulk would take a while to reach Supes' strength level.

What the hell are you talking about?????

Just how long does it takes for the HULK to duplicate his strenght????

or even increase it a 100 times his regular basis????

Acording to what I have known, the HULK once lifted a mountain that weighted more that anything Superman has ever been able to lift!!! Acording to the Who´s who in the DC universe!, and all the time that took for the HULK to increase his strenght was the seconds that Moleculeman took to rip the mountain and pour it on the heroes! So my point is:
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS TIME-TO-GET-STRONG-ENOUGH CRAP FROM???? :mad:

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
None of the other DC heroes can do anything to the Hulk that his healing factor can't counter, and he can out last them all (see The Last Titan story).

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER OF THE GREEN hERITAGE!!!

The Spectre may be able to come up with something, though.

NAH!!! HULK WOULD SMASH HIM TOO, AND WOULD WRAP HIM IN THAT BIG GREEN PAMPER OF HIS!!! :D

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
The Hulk got his ass kicked by a snake. Most major characters lose to people they should mop the floor with at times.

THAT WAS NOTHING BUT BAD WRITTING, NOTHING MORE! almost as bad as when The Witchblade nearly killed the whole JLA

What Ifs are not in continuity. Even if they were, Rogue cannot absorb Magneto's power these days. Thus, this is a moot point anyhow.

Sure they are not continuity, but still reflect what happens in other universes that are almost identical, but with slight diferences, and for Magneto, C´mon the girl has a crush on the old puny man! and does not wants to make him look bad in front of every X man!! :D

And besides, the gamma is drained in an instant anyway. The Silver Surfer has done this at least twice.

Silver Surfer is alot more powerfull than puny Green latern!!!

The Hulk can be overpowered. Thor, Apocalypse, the Juggernaut, and Abomination have proven this. And none of them are as strong as Superman, Wonder Woman, or Captain Marvel.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT WAS FUNNY MAN!!!!

BTW Thor kicked the crap outta Captain Marvel, and captain has beated Superman many times in the past, And Hulk has beated Thor many times in the past too, so... I GUESS YA GOT THE HINT RIGHT??? :D

STRONGEST

03-21-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
And; if Doomsday and Shaggy Man can be a threat to the JLA, the Hulk certainly can.

YEAH, IF THAT´S THE BEST IDEA YOU CAN COME UP TO, THEN TELL ME WHY DIDN´T GL TOOK THE SOLAR ENERGY THAT DOOMSDAY HAD IN HIM WHEN THE JL FOUGHT HIM, AND OF COURSE:LOST!!!!!!

TheCorpulent1

03-21-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by STRONGEST
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT WAS FUNNY MAN!!!!

BTW Thor kicked the crap outta Captain Marvel, and captain has beated Superman many times in the past, And Hulk has beated Thor many times in the past too, so... I GUESS YA GOT THE HINT RIGHT??? :D
Thor wasn't even at full power when he beat Captain Marvel. He's probably as strong as Superman is normally, and now with Odin's power, he's ridiculously strong.

But it should be noted that the Hulk has never beaten Thor in the past. Every time they've fought, it's been to a standstill before something gets in the way, be it a nuclear warhead or Dr. Strange's teleportation spell, etc..

Spider-Hulk

03-22-2003, 09:57 AM

but you gotta admit one thing....the Hulk has dominated thor in some fights.

Gimili

03-22-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Surfer has a multitude of powers at his disposible what surfer can do is kinda blurry, he is very very powerful is the surfer.

Hulk had help, his full strength was being restrained by Banner, Jean Grey simply removed the constraint unleashing the Hulks Unlimited Strength.

I was talking about Surfer fighting Supes GL and Batman. Not Hulk, although Hulk could beat GL, if GL couldnt figure out to drain the Gamma Radiation. But if Hulk was freaking he wouldnt be that adversely effected, think of when Hulk fought the Galaxy master, he got so enraged that the Gamma attack from Galaxy Master didnt even slow him down.

No Im not kidding about Batman wetting his pants, for pitys sake, Savage Banner could do the Bat.

Anyway you look at it, the Surfer was taking Hulk punches due to durability. Thor, Iron Man and others have also taken Hulk punches. That proves that the Hulk's ability to augment his strength is not as user friendly as it is being claimed to be. Not even close.

All it would take for GL to drain the Hulk would be to think about doing it. The ring's like a wish machine. He's created a lot of things that he doesn't know much about when it comes to creating them. He could also take out the Hulk by copying that power siphoner Doom used against the Silver Surfer or sending him into space.

And no, Batman won't wet his pants. He didn't against the White Martians, Darkseid, Desaad, or Wonder Woman, so would he wet
his pants against the Hulk. And Savage Banner would lose to Bats. One punch, and Savage Banner is out.

Gimili

03-22-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by STRONGEST
What the hell are you talking about?????

Just how long does it takes for the HULK to duplicate his strenght????

or even increase it a 100 times his regular basis????

Acording to what I have known, the HULK once lifted a mountain that weighted more that anything Superman has ever been able to lift!!! Acording to the Who´s who in the DC universe!, and all the time that took for the HULK to increase his strenght was the seconds that Moleculeman took to rip the mountain and pour it on the heroes! So my point is:
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS TIME-TO-GET-STRONG-ENOUGH CRAP FROM???? :mad:

Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere. It was also said years back that the martians can all outright destroy mountains.

Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes.

Your fanboy version of the Hulk seems to rely on your opponent not bringing up any fight the Hulk has participated in.

Spider-Hulk

03-22-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere.
Thats utter rubbish, you cannot physically crush a Black Hole, not even Galactus could do that using his bare hands. As for Hulk holding up a mountain what STRONGEST said earlier about Hulks strength Augmentation is correct, so there is no need for me to go over that old ground. Fact is DC heroes are way over-pumped.

Originally posted by Gimili
Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes. I beg to differ, I think the Hulk could hang with DC heroes, what about Hulk vs Batman??? Realistically who should win that? If DC heroes were powered on lines simmilar to Marvel Hulk could take some of them on.

Originally posted by Gimili
Anyway you look at it, the Surfer was taking Hulk punches due to durability. Thor, Iron Man and others have also taken Hulk punches. That proves that the Hulk's ability to augment his strength is not as user friendly as it is being claimed to be. Not even close.
Thats hogwash, Hulk can change his strength level with his anger levels, Iron Man is a guy in a super-battlesuit, he can take a few punches but not a barrage of them. Thor is a God for goodness sakes and the Hulk still dominated him in fights, so that proves zippo to me, Hulk has never actually put Thor down for the count but he has slapped Thor around like a child. Abomination can take Hulk punches too, in fact he is Hulk equal! But, he always goes down, Hulk still beats him.

Originally posted by Gimili
And Savage Banner would lose to Bats. One punch, and Savage Banner is out.
Doint under-estimate Savage Banner, he is slightly tougher than a normal man, he was able to KO 2 guards at the Assylum where he was held prisoner.

Hulk can survive in the vacuum of space, and GL cant really drain Hulk if he is that enraged, he would simply replace the lost power, since Hulks abilities are all based on his Unlimited Strength. Surfer has took Hulk punches, but there are issues where Hulk has knocked the Surfer flying.

No offense Gimili, but you seem to be playing down the Hulk quite a bit, nobody can comprehend the rage and fury he posseses, and how strong he is. Quite simply he is the Strongest there is and that includes ALL attributes related to strength like durability, stamina, endurance. So on and so forth, any other points youd like to raise feel free to do so.:D

TheCorpulent1

03-23-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
but you gotta admit one thing....the Hulk has dominated thor in some fights.
The fight's looked to be in favor of both in just about every fight. They're basically perfectly matched. Even if Thor pisses the Hulk off enough that the Hulk's strength leaps beyond Thor's, Thor still has a multitude of other abilities at his disposal besides strength. Plus Thor's got his warrior madness, which heightens his strength and makes him practically unstoppable. If someone put out a one-shot Hulk vs. Thor comic, it'd have to be oversized or a mini-series just to cover the sheer amount of time these two would be fighting. They could go forever.

Except now, King Thor would smash the Hulk pretty easily.:p

JINoside

03-23-2003, 01:45 PM

I miss buying issues that said they were "giant sized":( , i remenber buying issues that were like 48 to 62 pages long, mainly the annuals and were pretty cheap to. But now the most we get is 48 pages and it usally cost 3.50 or more...........

jan walenta

03-23-2003, 01:47 PM

King Thor would smash Hulk if he used his full range of power yes. But I don't think he could physically overpower Hulk. It only takes seconds for Hulks strength level to increase vast amounts to handle a situation.

Guyverjay

03-23-2003, 01:50 PM

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/thor385.html

Guyverjay

03-23-2003, 01:51 PM

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/subby35-thor.html

JINoside

03-23-2003, 01:56 PM

Fasinating, simply fasinating...............

TheCorpulent1

03-23-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/thor385.html
This one proves nothing. Hulk does not win, it's a draw. Thor wasn't ready to go down, he would've thrown his hammer away and kept on fighting if the Hulk had agreed, but the Hulk leaped away. The battle was cut short, so the only decision can be a draw or a forfeit on the Hulk's part, and since the Hulk was dominating the fight up until that point, I'd give him the draw.

TheCorpulent1

03-23-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/subby35-thor.html
Ok, this one goes to the Hulk on a technicality. Thor would've turned into Donald Blake if he didn't get ahold of Mjolnir again, and then it would've ceased to be a fight between Thor and the Hulk. If Thor managed to calm the Hulk down enough during a fight to turn him back into Banner, he'd have won, but it would be a hollow victory, just as this one is. And this was barely a fight to begin with. 2 punches? Come on.

Spider-Hulk

03-23-2003, 03:04 PM

Hulk vs Regular Thor is one where if they fought to a standstill I would put my money on the Hulk, now King Thor is a different matter, hed win, now because I am just getting back into the Hulk comic can some1 answer a couple of questions?

1. When did Thor become King Thor?
2. Does Thor have his own title?
3. What about his membership of the Avengers?

Gimili

03-23-2003, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Thats utter rubbish, you cannot physically crush a Black Hole, not even Galactus could do that using his bare hands. As for Hulk holding up a mountain what STRONGEST said earlier about Hulks strength Augmentation is correct, so there is no need for me to go over that old ground. Fact is DC heroes are way over-pumped.

Then I say that because the Hulk's strength augmentation is based on adrenaline, his body can't pump enough of it for him to lift more than several times his body weight.

I beg to differ. I think that the Hulk could hang with some DC heroes, what about Hulk vs. Batman??? Realistically who should win that?

In a slugfest, the Hulk would win. But if it were the Savage Hulk, Batman would just duck out of sight, wait for him to calm down and revert to Banner, and punch him out.

If DC heroes were powered on lines simmilar to Marvel Hulk could take some of them.

If Superman was powered according to Marvel's class 100 system,
yeah, I agree that the Hulk would beat him. He might give the Hulk trouble due to having more manueverability in mid-air, but he'd still get his clock cleaned.

But this shouldn't even be brought up. You have to argue about how characters are according to their respective companies, not how one company or the other would handle all of them.

You ever heard of the animated DC Universe that was created by Paul Dini and Bruce Timm? The Hulk would destroy that version of Superman.

That's hogwash, Hulk can change his strength level with his anger levels, Iron Man is a guy in a super-battlesuit, he can take a few punches, but not a barrage of them.

No, but this still proves that if the Hulk can't any madder, he can't get any stronger either.

Thor is a god for goodness sake.

That means nothing. Being a god doesn't mean you can beat any mortal. Well, at least not in a comic book. Wonder Woman is a demigod, but she still can't seem to beat Superman, who is mortal.

Don't under-estimate Savage Banner, he is slightly tougher than a normal man, he was able to KO 2 guards at the asylum at the assylum where he was held prisoner.

In No Man's Land, Batman took out a number of trained fighters, one at a time. Only one of them even made him break a sweat. Hell, most of them were taken out with one blow. Batman also knows a number of nerve strikes. With them, one could kill with a single blow (as shown in Knightquest) if he or she desires. Batman could also beat the Savage Hulk the same way a hunter or wrestler can beat a crocodile or bear unarmed: by tripping him up and putting him in a hold that both hurts and incapacitates him.

Plus, being "slightly tougher than a normal man" is very suspect. Does that mean that he's tougher than a peak human or just tougher than the average human? In any event, he edges Batman out in strength alone at best. Even then, he's not much stronger. When you factor in the primitiveness of Savage Banner, he's not going to beat somebody like Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, or the Punisher.

Hulk can survive in the vacuum of space, and GL can't really drain Hulk if he is enraged, he would simply replace the lost power, since Hulk's abilities are based on his unlimited strength.

The Hulk can survive in space, but so what? GL can just leave him to float in limbo. It's not like to win a fight, you've got to kill the opposition. But just for fun, GL could attack the Hulk without him being able to fight back. Besides, if the doesn't float into a planetary atmosphere before he inevetably reverts to Banner, he's out of luck.

Your idea of the Hulk replacing his lost gamma rays seems to rely on GL just standing there and waiting for the Hulk to increase his anger after the initial drain. It's gonna be really hard to come back
from being turned into a scrawny scientist.

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.

Surfer has took Hulk punches, but there are issues where the Hulk has knocked Surfer flying.

Being launched is very different from being hurt. Superman launched Doomsday with a punch in the early stages of their first battle, but he still couldn't hurt him until the last few rounds of fighting.

No offense Gimili, but you seem to be playing down the Hulk quite a bit.

No, I am not. I am merely judging him according to how he is portrayed. Simple as that.

Guyverjay

03-24-2003, 08:34 AM

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.

I don't agree with that statement at all, the more you hit the hulk the more pissed hes going to be which would actually aid in his gamma resurgence.

Plus Hulk has face gamma draining before and has laughed in its face because he body reproduces it faster as he gets more and more annoyed. The only time its actually worked is when the surfer has done it and that because as a power cosmic being, he is the master of all forms of energy.

TheCorpulent1

03-24-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Hulk vs Regular Thor is one where if they fought to a standstill I would put my money on the Hulk, now King Thor is a different matter, hed win, now because I am just getting back into the Hulk comic can some1 answer a couple of questions?

1. When did Thor become King Thor?
2. Does Thor have his own title?
3. What about his membership of the Avengers?

Thor became King Thor when Odin died battling Surtur, an ancient fire demon. Thor goes through a period of mourning for a few issues of his comic, then in #45 (I think), he finally takes up the reins as Lord of Asgard.

Thor does have his own title. In fact, it was the only title following his kingship of Asgard. Avengers presented him in his old costume without mention of Odin's death for some time. I'm not sure whether they've corrected that yet, since I stopped reading Avengers when it started sucking a while back.

His membership in the Avengers has been strained lately, considering he's taken an Authority-esque approach to superheroism these days. Thor's decided that Odin was wrong in withdrawing the Asgardian gods from Earth during the Vikings' time to allow mankind to fend for itself rather than become dependent on gods. Thor believes that mankind has proven that it needs guidance, so he relocated Asgard from its home dimension to the sky right over Manhattan. Iron Man went to talk to Thor about his newly proactive measures when Thor's actions in a Balkan (I think) nation threatened to spark a war, but Thor wouldn't listen. So Iron Man uses an Asgardian power reactor Thor had set up on Earth to create a suit of armor powered by Asgardian means. It proves to be almost a match for Thor (who is very, very new to Odin's powers and has yet to master them in any degree). Captain America eventually tries to intercede, but gets knocked flat on his butt (and Thor's new strength is shown to be markedly increased compared to his pre-Odinforce strength, as he actually DENTS Cap's indestructible shield!). The battle ends in a draw when Dr. Doom intercedes and offers a surprisingly diplomatic solution. I forgot what the solution was, though. Either way, the fact that Thor tossed Iron Man and Cap around isn't gonna bode well for his future involvement in the Avengers.

Really interesting stuff is going on in Thor's book now. If you're into politics or mythology or just generally good reads, try a few issues out. The book just got the Lai brothers as artists, too, and they're phenomenal.

Spider-Hulk

03-24-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Then I say that because the Hulk's strength augmentation is based on adrenaline, his body can't pump enough of it for him to lift more than several times his body weight.
That is such a stupid statement I was not planning on doing it justice with a response, but I will anyway, The Savage Hulk weighs about 1,040lbs, in the Secret Wars he held up a mountain for pitys sake, I should imagine a mountain weighs considerably more than 1,040lbs......As for Hulk not being able to pump adrenaline?! Where have you been, another dimension? Hulk and rage go together like Bacon and Eggs. He can pump adrenaline like a road rage driver can pump the horn!!!

Originally posted by Gimili
In a slugfest, the Hulk would win. But if it were the Savage Hulk, Batman would just duck out of sight, wait for him to calm down and revert to Banner, and punch him out.
If Batman ran and hid, I say two things would happen based on previous Hulk actions in such situations....
1. The Hulk would wreck the place trying to find him. OR
2. Hed get fed up and just leap away.
In any case Bats would not punch anybody out.

Originally posted by Gimili
If Superman was powered according to Marvel's class 100 system,yeah, I agree that the Hulk would beat him. He might give the Hulk trouble due to having more manueverability in mid-air, but he'd still get his clock cleaned.

But this shouldn't even be brought up. You have to argue about how characters are according to their respective companies, not how one company or the other would handle all of them. I agree, I just lost the plot a little earlier.

Originally posted by Gimili
That means nothing. Being a god doesn't mean you can beat any mortal. Well, at least not in a comic book. Wonder Woman is a demigod, but she still can't seem to beat Superman, who is mortal.
I beg to differ, it has a lot to do with it, Thor cannot die, he has the durability of a God, which means he is really really tough, which explains how Hulk has never actually KO'ed Thor. True Thor has struggled in battles with the Hulk but that was due to strength being un-equal, Hulk is stronger, which is how he was quite able to dominate fights. BTW Superman may as well be a God considering all his other powers, he is only lacking one thing a God has and thats immortality.

Originally posted by Gimili
In No Man's Land, Batman took out a number of trained fighters, one at a time. Only one of them even made him break a sweat. Hell, most of them were taken out with one blow. Batman also knows a number of nerve strikes. With them, one could kill with a single blow (as shown in Knightquest) if he or she desires. Batman could also beat the Savage Hulk the same way a hunter or wrestler can beat a crocodile or bear unarmed: by tripping him up and putting him in a hold that both hurts and incapacitates him.
No way would Batman kill the Savage Hulk, Grey Hulk or any other Hulk with one of them nerve blows, the skin is too thick and tough besides there is the healing factor to consider, Damage as minor as that is healed instantly after it happens. If you mean that Batman could put the Hulk in a hold, you must be kidding Batman does not have nearly enough strength to keep the Hulk down.
Originally posted by Gimili
Plus, being "slightly tougher than a normal man" is very suspect. Does that mean that he's tougher than a peak human or just tougher than the average human? In any event, he edges Batman out in strength alone at best. Even then, he's not much stronger. When you factor in the primitiveness of Savage Banner, he's not going to beat somebody like Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, or the Punisher.
Savage Banner was shown to be tougher than a normal human, he would not stand up to a peak Human like Captain America. In terms of taking on skilled fighters like those you mentioned, Savage Banner would get his butt whooped, as hed get it whooped by the Bat, as he wouldnt have the toughness or strength to beat them.
Originally posted by Gimili
The Hulk can survive in space, but so what? GL can just leave him to float in limbo. It's not like to win a fight, you've got to kill the opposition. But just for fun, GL could attack the Hulk without him being able to fight back. Besides, if the doesn't float into a planetary atmosphere before he inevetably reverts to Banner, he's out of luck.

Your idea of the Hulk replacing his lost gamma rays seems to rely on GL just standing there and waiting for the Hulk to increase his anger after the initial drain. It's gonna be really hard to come back
from being turned into a scrawny scientist.

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.
He would be out of Luck if he reverted to Banner in space yes, as for that construct theory, I agree with guyverjay, the Hulk would get so mad by the attacks, hed be mega strong and as he said Hulk has shrugged off Gamma Drains before. As he can replace it quicker than its drained. But sometimes it does work, as in the case of the Silver Surfer, that one time. Also how would the Hulk not fight back against the GL??

Originally posted by Gimili
No, I am not. I am merely judging him according to how he is portrayed. Simple as that.
Well if thats true its the most inaccurate portrayel of the Hulk I have ever encountered.

As for that launching and hurting thing. I reckon he didnt hurt the surfer, because of the Surfers Cosmic powers which are multiple and very diverse, so probably, but there was an occasion where Surfer stopped a Hulk punch.(hed been gamma drained earlier, and the surfer was using that power hed drained) In any case Hulk is one tough chap, and it takes a lot to put him down or knock him out, a hell of a lot!

Spider-Hulk

03-24-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Thor cannot die
He can die, just not at the hands of a Mortal. Like corpulent1 mentioned about Odin, it would take another god or a demon or something "Divine" To kill a god.

STRONGEST

03-25-2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere. It was also said years back that the martians can all outright destroy mountains.

C´mon man that´s the kind of bad writting I am talking about!!!

Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes.

Your fanboy version of the Hulk seems to rely on your opponent not bringing up any fight the Hulk has participated in.

Gimili

03-25-2003, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
That is such a stupid statement I was not planning on doing it justice with a response, but I will anyway, The Savage Hulk weighs about 1,040lbs, in the Secret Wars he held up a mountain for pitys sake, I should imagine a mountain weighs considerably more than 1,040lbs......As for Hulk not being able to pump adrenaline?! Where have you been, another dimension? Hulk and rage go together like Bacon and Eggs. He can pump adrenaline like a road rage driver can pump the horn!!!

I mean that according to science, the Hulk's adrenaline rush should not be able to make him that strong. It should only enablle
him to lift several times his own body weight (over 1000 lbs.). That's the limit of adrenaline. Scientific mistakes are just littered throughout comics.

If Batman ran and hid, I say two things would happen based on previous Hulk actions in such situations.

1. The Hulk would wreck the place trying to find him.

Which wouldn't enable him to find Bats, since he's proven himself capable of moving about without being seen. And while Batman wouldn't like to see the Hulk kill people, he wouldn't have to wait long, since the Hulk's attention span isn't that long. Or he can disguise himself, pretend to be the Hulk's friend, and chat with him until he reverts to Banner.

2. Hed get fed up and just leap away.

That would be inadvisable. This would give Batman the prep time to use his micro-nanites from JLA: Tower of Babel to send the Hulk into virtual reality dreamland.

I agree, I just lost the plot a little earlier.

Okay.

I beg to differ, it has a lot to do with it, Thor cannot die, he has the durability of a god, which means he is really, really tough, which explains how Hulk has never actually KO'ed Thor. True Thor has struggled in battles with the Hulk but that was due to strength becoming un-equal, Hulk is stronger, which is how he was quite able to dominate fights.

The gods are not portrayed as being that powerful, save some exceptions. The Juggernaut nearly knocked Thor out. It's also pointless to bring up immortality. Just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't be knocked out.

BTW Superman may as well be a god considering his other powers, he is only lacking one thing a god has and that's immortality.

Superman is proof that the theory that godhood=unbeatability is false.

No way would Batman kill the Savage Hulk, Grey Hulk or any other Hulk with them nerve blows.

I made a mistake somewhere. I meant to type, "Savage Banner,"
not "Savage Hulk." Sorry.

Savage Banner was shown to be tougher than a normal huma, he would not stand up to a peak human like Captain America. In terms of taking on those skilled fighters you mentioned, Savage Banner would get his butt whooped, as he'd get it whooped by the Bat, as he wouldn't have the toughness or strength to beat them.

He would be out of luck if he reverted to Banner in space yes, as for the construct theory, I agree with Guyverjay, the Hulk would get so mad by the attacks, hed be mega strong and as he said Hulk has shrugged off gamma drains before. As he can replace it quicker than its drained. But sometimes it does work, as
in the case of the Silver Surfer, that one time. Also how would the Hulk not fight back against the GL.

Alright, I'll drop the construct argument. How is the Hulk going to replace the gamma rays once he's gotten as mad as he can in a typical battle? And besides, GL has shown in the past that he can construct the entire JLA. The Hulk is up against multiple copies of Superman, the Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the Martian Manhunter.

But why bother? GL takes the Hulk into space. Fight over.

Well if thats true its the most inaccurate portrayel of the Hulk I have ever encountered.

Actually, I refer to how he is consistently portrayed over the years.

Spider-Hulk

03-26-2003, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by Gimili
Which wouldn't enable him to find Bats, since he's proven himself capable of moving about without being seen. And while Batman wouldn't like to see the Hulk kill people, he wouldn't have to wait long, since the Hulk's attention span isn't that long. Or he can disguise himself, pretend to be the Hulk's friend, and chat with him until he reverts to Banner.
LOL...Depends on the incarnation of the Hulk, he may be able to pull that off on the Savage Hulk, but against say the Grey Hulk, there is no way hed be suckered like that as Grey Hulk has the intelligence of a Teenage Bruce Banner, and that is a lot of brain power, as Bruce was and is very clever. I still say that the Savage Hulk would either trash the place(I never said hed actually find Batman) or hed just leap away. The Grey Hulk would probably force Batman out using bait, hed probably hold a civillian hostage as G-Hulks morals are somewhat loose, Bats would then have to emerge and hed get KOed.

But this dont prove anything its all hypothetical. Just possibilities as to what could happen.
Originally posted by Gimili
That would be inadvisable. This would give Batman the prep time to use his micro-nanites from JLA: Tower of Babel to send the Hulk into virtual reality dreamland.
Uh....when I say the Hulk leaps away, I mean miles, hed be long gone, and then it wouldnt be Batmans problem, Hulk can travel a hell of a distance in a single leap, hes even leapt into low orbit on occasion.
Originally posted by Gimili
The gods are not portrayed as being that powerful, save some exceptions. The Juggernaut nearly knocked Thor out. It's also pointless to bring up immortality. Just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't be knocked out.
Juggernaut is not a god but he has the powers of one, hence how he beat up Thor. Also I do agree, gods are not portrayed as that powerful. Thats true about the immortality thing and I agree with you there 100%.
Originally posted by Gimili
Superman is proof that the theory that godhood=unbeatability is false.
Supes doesnt get a pummeling that often though, and also he is super-powerful, I would say he is one of the most powerful charecters in comic book history.
Originally posted by Gimili
How is the Hulk going to replace the gamma rays once he's gotten as mad as he can in a typical battle?
Depends on the battle, Hulks Strength works very much on the principle, of need=use. He gets the strength that he needs, so If he fights an enemy stronger than him he would get the amount of strength necessary to match up to that enemy. Like the mountain, his strength didnt "build-up" he just caught it. The Mandarins castle, he ripped it up! Hulks Strength gives him the amount necessary for the fight. If he fights somebody weaker than him its unlikely he will get any stronger, its a sunconscious thing pretty much, tied in with his rage. Teh Hulk does not have a "Typical" rage.
Originally posted by Gimili
GL takes the Hulk into space. Fight over.
That would be a very boring fight though.

Guyverjay

03-26-2003, 06:11 AM

If marvel gave Hulk the ability to fly he would win alot more of these Vs threads I tell you:D

Why do virtually all DC's metahuman heroes have the ability to fly? It like the most over used power ever.

STRONGEST

03-26-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere. It was also said years back that the martians can all outright destroy mountains.

Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes.

Your fanboy version of the Hulk seems to rely on your opponent not bringing up any fight the Hulk has participated in.

1.- Nobody physically could crush a black hole, that´s the bad writting I was talking about man! If DC hired a total geek to do that storyline you should at least be smart enough to protest about it! Because only makes Superman fans look like a bunch of mindless zombies man!:rolleyes:

2.- Acording to the who´s who in DC Superman can only lift 3000,000,000 kilos for all I know, and The mountain you mention it was a lot heavier than that!!! 15 billions of tons or somethin like that!!(writting stupid storylines like the black hole isn´t the right way to increase a Hero strenght):cool:

3.-The HULK participated in Marvel vs DC # 3 where the winner was choosed by voting, althought Superman himself said. "HE(The Hulk) TOOK EVERYTHING I HAD AND ALMOST STOOD UP TO IT") So how about that for a fight where HULK has participated recently:rolleyes:

STRONGEST

03-26-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
The fight's looked to be in favor of both in just about every fight. They're basically perfectly matched. Even if Thor pisses the Hulk off enough that the Hulk's strength leaps beyond Thor's, Thor still has a multitude of other abilities at his disposal besides strength. Plus Thor's got his warrior madness, which heightens his strength and makes him practically unstoppable. If someone put out a one-shot Hulk vs. Thor comic, it'd have to be oversized or a mini-series just to cover the sheer amount of time these two would be fighting. They could go forever.

Except now, King Thor would smash the Hulk pretty easily.:p

agree, except for the last part, probably the HULK would struggle a little but if he´d get mad enough he could give King Thor a hell of a fight too!! :cool:

jan walenta

03-28-2003, 07:06 PM

In a physical battle I don't care how much of the Odin power Thor uses Hulk would overcome his strength by getting stronger and pound him. Unless King thor used his Godblast with full odin force I don't see King Thor winning.

Spider-Hulk

03-29-2003, 06:51 AM

I agree with jw on that score guys. He took the words right outta my mouth.

Gimili

03-29-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
LOL...Depends on the incarnation of the Hulk, he may be able to pull that off on the Savage Hulk, but against say the Grey Hulk, there is no way hed be suckered like that as Grey Hulk has the intelligence of a Teenage Bruce Banner, and that is a lot of brain power, as Bruce was and is very clever. I still say that the Savage Hulk would either trash the place(I never said hed actually find Batman) or hed just leap away. The Grey Hulk would probably force Batman out using bait, hed probably hold a civillian hostage as G-Hulks morals are somewhat loose, Bats would then have to emerge and hed get KOed.

But this dont prove anything its all hypothetical. Just possibilities as to what could happen.

A disguise would definitely work on the Savage Hulk. His childlike nature makes him very vulnerable to it.

The Gray Hulk is very immature. That makes him susceptible to a disguise. Wolverine suckered him in this manner. Although it might be better to follow him around instead, since the Gray Hulk doesn't transform until sunrise.

Although I agree that if he gets a hostage, the Gray Hulk would probably win.

Uhh...when I say the Hulk leaps away, I mean miles, hed be long gone, and then it wouldn't even be Batman's problem, Hulk can travel a hell of a distance in a single leap, he's even leapt into low orbit on occasion.

Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head.

Juggernaut is not a god but he has the powers of one, hence how he beat up Thor. Also, I do agree, gods are not portrayed as that powerful. Thats true about the immortality thing
and I agree with you there 100%.

I don't know if the Juggernaut has the powers of a god. I always heard that he only had a fraction of Cyttorak's power. The War Hulk, thanks to his mystical empowerment, was able to kick the crap out of Juggy.

Regarding gods, the thing to remember is that they are not omnipotent. That's only with beliefs that had but one god. In fact,
Marvel actually made Thor and Odin more powerful than their Norse counterparts.

Depends on the battle, Hulks strength works very much on the principle of need=use.

Alright, but draining the Hulk is not the only thing GL can do to him. He can also make a small construct dagger, send it into the Hulk's head, and cut up his brain. The Hulk will now be unconscious as he heals the brain. Even a split second would be too late.

That would be a very boring fight though.

True, but it's an effective solution, since we're not interested in developing an intricate plot.

Couldn't Dr. Doom stop kidding around and drop a nuke on the 4 Freedoms Plaza? Yes, but that would also be a bad story.

Spider-Hulk

03-29-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
The Gray Hulk is very immature. That makes him susceptible to a disguise. Wolverine suckered him in this manner. Although it might be better to follow him around instead, since the Gray Hulk doesn't transform until sunrise.
The GrEy Hulk is immature but that is only because he represents a teenage Dr Banner. The disguise theory worked with Wolverine because the Grey Hulk had only encounterd Wolverine once before, and wolvey was in his X-men suit at the time. But there were occasions when he nearly twigged who it was after their first encounter, when Grey Hulk did figure out, he beat up Wolverine, the two of them had just destroyed a drugs factory I believe.

But remember the Grey Hulk is very cunning, and what he lacks in starting strength and other strength related abilities(compared with the Green Hulk). He makes up in ruthlessness and Brains. Like the time he fought Abomination, he said Grey Hulk was not as impressive as the Green Savage Hulk, and this made Grey Hulk mad, he lifted a vat of acid and poured it all over the Abomination nearly killing him. I say Grey Hulk would mangle the Bat.
Originally posted by Gimili
Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head.
No guarantee that Bats would be able to keep up with Hulk or track him, especially if he reverted to Banner, the Hulk can keep a low profile if he wants, but remember the Hulk can turn nasty if he is pursued by enemies as he "just wants to be left alone" so if bats did follow hed have to be prepared to face a very angry hulk.
Originally posted by Gimili
I don't know if the Juggernaut has the powers of a god. I always heard that he only had a fraction of Cyttorak's power. The War Hulk, thanks to his mystical empowerment, was able to kick the crap out of Juggy.
War did put a stompin on Juggs yes, but the guy on here who can tell you about Juggernaut is jan walenta he knows quite a bit IMO about Juggernaut, so if u are reading this jan, tell us about Juggernaut. Not the 8th day Juggernaut either. The "normal" Juggernaut.

Hulk vs GL is a crap fight, GL has all those powers there is no way Hulk can stand up to them its far too one sided. so I dont intend to debate that, GL wins. Although the Silver Surfer could beat the GL I know that for sure.
Originally posted by Gimili
Couldn't Dr. Doom stop kidding around and drop a nuke on the 4 Freedoms Plaza? Yes, but that would also be a bad story. He could, but Reed is a fairly clever guy and has a lot of devices, so he could probably protect the city from Dr Doom's nuke attack, using a force field, repelling beams, or some other high tech gadget.

jan walenta

03-31-2003, 04:23 PM

Normal Juggernuat is roughly a little stronger than the Hulk is at Hulks base strength. At normal levels Juggernaut is no different than Hulk is excpet he has better Durability. War HUlk pounded on a normally powered Juggernaut for the most part coming off of a massive power up. Juggernaut could if he had the will to tap into it have the power of a skyfather level magical god but because Juggernaut is content with the power he has normally he usually doesn't use the upper level of his tremendous power. Juggernuat normal power level are only a mere fraction of what he is capable of but Juggy doesn't care to or have the will to try and tap further into his power.

But on the same token Hulk has incarnation's who haven't be allowed to take over yet who would make Mindless or Savage Hulk's power minor in comparison. The Beast or Guilt Hulk who has only been seen a couple of times when Inside of Banners mind had to be held back by Fixit, Savage and Prof Hulk so he couldn't take over. I have heard that the Beast if Unleashed would possess power beyond any we have seen from any Hulk.

Superman

04-01-2003, 01:01 AM

Superman would kick Hulks butt all over the place.:D
http://www.supermantv.net/comics/hulksuperman/supermanhulk.jpg

jan walenta

04-01-2003, 01:03 AM

I think not!!! Hulk beats superman anyday of the week. Don't you get it HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!

Spider-Hulk

04-01-2003, 04:35 AM

What about all of Supermans other powers jan, that guy is over-pumped and wins way to much.....by the way thanx for the summary about Juggernaut.

web-slinger

04-01-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Gimili
Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head. Micro-nanites? Does Batman have those? Dang, that guy has everything!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

jan walenta

04-01-2003, 12:22 PM

Superman does have alot of powers, but some of these other incarnations of the Hulk are supposed to have power unseen by any other Hulk. The beast in banner's mind was the most dominant personality it took three core personalities to keep him at bey.

Guyverjay

04-01-2003, 04:23 PM

The guilt Hulk is scary
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/guilthulk2.gif

But what about the DEVIL HULK?
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/devilhulk2.gif

JINoside

04-01-2003, 04:30 PM

Both are scary.........

jan walenta

04-02-2003, 01:41 AM

Yes but even the Devil Hulk tried to get Bruce to free him saying that Bruce needed to free him to take down the Guilt Hulk forever. That being said it makes me wonder just how powerful Guilt Hulk would be if he ever took over and actually came out. Being in Bruces mind he was a giant that the other personalities quite frankly feared. In my opinion I don't think he could be stopped, he definitley looks to be more powerful than Maestro as Meastro is the future of the Merged Hulk I believe Guilt Hulk or Beast seems to be the powerhouse of the Hulk so powerful Bruce and the other personalities are afraid of letting him take control.

Even the Devil Hulk said the Guilt Hulks power is too great and all personalities were needed to take him down. But Devil Hulk also told Bruce he would destroy everything he holds dear so who knows Devil Hulk would probably turn out helping Guilt Hulk take over.

Guyverjay

04-02-2003, 05:27 AM

For the other Hulk's to be scared the beast must be a powerhouse. The Hulk has never been scared of anyone.

It reminds of the time when the beyonder said the Hulk's true power is infinite.

jan walenta

04-02-2003, 08:15 AM

I wish I knew what issue number that picture was from. I know it was during the whole MPD thing but yes The Beast had even the Savage Hulk weary and fearful. I would love to see both the Beast aka Guilt Hulk or the Devil Hulk take over Banner's body.

STRONGEST

04-02-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by guyverjay
For the other Hulk's to be scared the beast must be a powerhouse. The Hulk has never been scared of anyone.

It reminds of the time when the beyonder said the Hulk's true power is infinite.

When did the Beyonder say that????

If you can tell me the issue or post the cover it would be of a lot of help please man!!!

Thanks already:)

Guyverjay

04-02-2003, 11:26 AM

I can't remember which issue it was, it was during secret wars.

jan walenta

04-02-2003, 11:30 AM

Didn't Beyonder say that when he had Hulk confined in some kind of energy bubble and commented that Hulk was power incarnate and reminded him of himself.

Guyverjay

04-02-2003, 12:09 PM

Yep

Docker2.0

04-17-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
Actually, pretty much all those people can beat him. Even Batman might do it if knows about the Hulk's physiology and uses a gamma scrambler.

This isn't a Hulk bashing or anything. It's just that DC's heroes are
generally orders of magnitude above Marvel in terms of power levels.

You guys are waisting your time. Gimili has his mind made up that DC is better and I guess he believes that Batman can hurt the Hulk with a kick in his abs. :rolleyes: I'm like you guys, if the Doomsday(I like him but it is the stupidest character created) can give the JLA trouble, then the Hulk can give them a heartattack!

Lopan

04-24-2003, 03:40 PM

I am an old school comic fan of the Hulk (Trimpe/Buscema era) and the only DC that ever hooked me back then was The Demon. (And that was a Kirby, go figure.)

This thread is like a case study on why I am not a fan of DC, which would be better titled DEM Comics for Dues Ex Machina Comics.

(def: a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.)

Superman's powers are so great that any direct confrontation is pointless. The drama is weather or not he will "save the day", not if he will get hurt. Now he is even holding black holes in his hands? Even if he does not generate new power's out of thin air, there is always some application of his Super-whatever abilities to yield a completely unexpectable result. Also, once you can go back in time to fix things, there is no reason to not reverse the clock entirely and correct all of history's evils.

And then there is Batman. I do not see any difference between a "gamma-descrambler" and "Bat-anti-Hulk-spray". The Batman TV show really had this character nailed on a satirical level. (Not that they were not mocking the entire comicbook hero genre in that series.) Whatever he needs will miraculously appear on the belt or the car. Face it, there is not enough room between Adam West and the Dark Knight to slide a slip of paper between them. The silliness is still the same, dispite the cooler names for the "wonderful gadgets" and the noir settings.

And now I am told that the Green Lantern has become really powerful? Maybe because he was the object of ridicule on the WWE via his fan, the Hurricane, they felt the need to juice him up. And sure, he can just summon a "de-hulkifier" with his ring to convert the Hulk back to Banner.

I bet DC still dervives most of its income from two properties (SM and BM) that are nearly a century old. Talk about a creative drought.

And these crossover comics are another manifestation of a creative vacuum at both companies. Stan should be stripped of all decision making authority for actually allowing the Hulk to be taken by the likes of Batman.

Outcome decided by pole? Talk about prosituting your art.

MarvelMovies

05-01-2003, 12:28 PM

G.L, Supes, and Flash would all stand a chance against the Hulk...

G.L. would just put him in a green bubble thing and Hulk would be defenseless...

Supes is fast and strong, (Hulk would win)

Flash is fast, you can't hit what you can't see...

aaronw

05-03-2003, 02:03 AM

Could Superman's heat vision hurt the Hulk?

JSPIDEY

05-03-2003, 07:19 PM

Superman could beat the Hulk. There was one crossover comic where Superman was off guard and was punched over the rainbow. Then he came back and stood like a tree. The Hulk pounded and pounded, but he eventually tired hisself out and turned back into Banner. Superman could beat the Hulk.

JINoside

05-03-2003, 07:46 PM

Thats a stupid cross over:D:D.........

aaronw

05-04-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by JSPIDEY
Superman could beat the Hulk. There was one crossover comic where Superman was off guard and was punched over the rainbow. Then he came back and stood like a tree. The Hulk pounded and pounded, but he eventually tired hisself out and turned back into Banner. Superman could beat the Hulk.

I don't know, The Hulk did hold up a fifty-billion ton mountain once, that is about as strong as Superman. THe Hulk is also just as invincible. Superman would have to utilize his speed and his flight to defeat the hulk, thats why I was wondering if Superman ever hurt the Hulk with his heat vision. You also have to admit though, that when it comes to brains, Superman is just as smart as the Hulk. As a superman fan, it pains me to say that Superman would definitely take some pretty tough blows from the HUlk, but in the end, unless the Hulk found some kryptonite, Superman defeat the Hulk as he tired and turned back into Banner.

STRONGEST

05-06-2003, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by JINoside
Thats a stupid cross over:D:D.........
Those words are full of truth and justice.:D

Guyverjay

05-07-2003, 10:44 AM

aaronw

05-08-2003, 01:20 AM

This is the point...

THe Hulk would have to be having a very good day in order to beat superman

Superman would have to be having a normal day to beat the Hulk...

...there....end of story

Hulkophile

05-08-2003, 03:03 AM

I don't know, The Hulk did hold up a fifty-billion ton mountain once, that is about as strong as Superman.

If you're referring to Secret Wars, the Hulk braced a section of the mountain that was tossed at him and the heroes by Molecule Man. It's an incredible feat, yeah, but he didn't lift or hold up the entire mountain. He just braced a section of it.

THe Hulk is also just as invincible.

You mean durable, right?

Superman would have to utilize his speed and his flight to defeat the hulk, thats why I was wondering if Superman ever hurt the Hulk with his heat vision. You also have to admit though, that when it comes to brains, Superman is just as smart as the Hulk.

Uhm... Unless it's Banner Hulk or merged/Professor Hulk, Supes is not that smart. Banner is a scientist and one of the smartest characters in the MU. Just because Supes is a nice guy doesn't mean he's incredibly smart. But you did say he's just as smart as the Hulk, so... Hey, you called it. ;)

As a superman fan, it pains me to say that Superman would definitely take some pretty tough blows from the HUlk, but in the end, unless the Hulk found some kryptonite, Superman defeat the Hulk as he tired and turned back into Banner.

Tires? Turns back to Banner? The Hulk can last quite some time and doesn't tire all that easy. I'm sure Supes would out last him if they had a test to see which of the two would tire first, but that's besides the point. In a fight where the Hulk's anger appears to have no limit, as it increases, so does his strength. The Hulk will eventually match or exceed Supes' strength in a fight (slugfest especially). Remember, the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets and that would apply here. If Supes uses trickery like fighting the Hulk for some time and then fly off or hover high above the Hulk (out of reach), the Hulk COULD lose interest if leaping up at Supes or throwing objects at him becomes moot and revert back to Banner once his anger decreases to a certain level. I just think it'll take a lot more than what you're alluding to, to make the Hulk tired and revert back to Banner. My stance has always been that in a straight up slugfest, the Hulk (any version except the gray Hulk) wins the majority. Once Supes uses his powers (super speed and heat vision), he wins the majority.

Jomero

05-08-2003, 10:28 AM

Kinda reminds me of the old "Werewolf Vs. Vampire" debate. Two very different beings that you can't really compare. On one hand, Werewolves can contract disease and are mortal, Vampires can't contract disease and are already undead. Both are very strong. But give a werewolf a wooden stake, and see the odds swing heavily in his favor.

Give the hulk some kryptonite and watch the fun ensue.

Spider-Hulk

05-08-2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Hulkophile
If you're referring to Secret Wars, the Hulk braced a section of the mountain that was tossed at him and the heroes by Molecule Man. It's an incredible feat, yeah, but he didn't lift or hold up the entire mountain. He just braced a section of it.
Yes he braced a section that weighed 150 billion tons. No big deal. Bracing something on your back and lifting it usually amount to the same thing. The Hulk knoweth no limit to his strength.

Guyverjay

05-08-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Yes he braced a section that weighed 150 billion tons. No big deal. Bracing something on your back and lifting it usually amount to the same thing. The Hulk knoweth no limit to his strength.

what's this section rubbish?
His strength was keeping the mountain off the ground,there fore all the mountains weight (150 billion tonnes) was on him. PLUS the hulk had banners mind in control at the time. So he wasn't angry.

JINoside

05-08-2003, 09:06 PM

*sigh of relief*.....got the Most "Kick Ass-iest" avatar on the Hype back on eh Guy?;):D:D......

Guyverjay

05-08-2003, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by JINoside
*sigh of relief*.....got the Most "Kick Ass-iest" avatar on the Hype back on eh Guy?;):D:D......

Yeah I thought its about time it came out of retirement:D

JINoside

05-08-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Yeah I thought its about time it came out of retirement:D

I gots to say...thats some skill you got. You 'crowned' the best avatar maker so you Are the king:D. Don't take it off this time:mad:, it hurt me last time you did:o.......

Guyverjay

05-08-2003, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by JINoside
I gots to say...thats some skill you got. You 'crowned' the best avatar maker so you Are the king:D. Don't take it off this time:mad:, it hurt me last time you did:o.......

Have you seen the one I've done for Captain America?

JINoside

05-08-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Have you seen the one I've done for Captain America?

I just had a 'geek-asm' over it just now:D:D:o. Two words..................Kick.........Ass.........;) ......

stronghold

05-09-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Gimili
I mean that according to science, the Hulk's adrenaline rush should not be able to make him that strong. It should only enablle
him to lift several times his own body weight (over 1000 lbs.). That's the limit of adrenaline. Scientific mistakes are just littered throughout comics.

You mean... *GASP* a radioactive spider doesnt give you spider-like abilities!? A gamma bomb doesnt turn your skin green and make you superhuman in strength and durability!?

You mean to tell me that a lightning bolt wont make me a battery capable of discharging and storing millions of watts of electric current!?

Im sure you dont mean that me falling into radioactive waste wont make my brain abnormally large and better functioning, as well as turning my skin green!

SAY IT AINT SO!...

*cough* thats enough bitter sarcasm from me, fight on boys...

aaronw

05-13-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by stronghold
You mean... *GASP* a radioactive spider doesnt give you spider-like abilities!? A gamma bomb doesnt turn your skin green and make you superhuman in strength and durability!?

You mean to tell me that a lightning bolt wont make me a battery capable of discharging and storing millions of watts of electric current!?

Im sure you dont mean that me falling into radioactive waste wont make my brain abnormally large and better functioning, as well as turning my skin green!

SAY IT AINT SO!...

*cough* thats enough bitter sarcasm from me, fight on boys...

hahah, right on brother. If you are going to say that HUlk's strength increases infinitely, don't tell me its cause of adrenaline........ just say cause he gets more pissed off.... thats enough, cause once you cut science of the picture, you cut it out for good....

Thing

06-02-2003, 10:46 PM

I don't think anyone can beat the Hulk, maybe Superman, but that is it.:thing:

mcentepede

06-03-2003, 03:13 AM

I have to give this one a thumbs up! Cuz you guys really know your stuff. I will take an impartial position here and go with what I have read in the past. Hulk is 1-2 vs. D.C. losing to Bat-man once and Super-man once. But he beat Supes the first time(he knocked him into space with one punch). Of course, this was in the 70's before Supes got beat up to death by Doomsday. Judging that Supes is top dog, I give Hulk a good chance vs. rest of Super-friends. Wonder Woman got beat by Storm in crossover battle, a fite I thought she should have won. Thor beat up Shazam! with ease, Hulk took down Thor in last year's annual. In Silver Surfer #125, Hulk got his revenge finally by beating up Surfer in his own book, because Hulk couldn't turn back into banner and Surfer tried to drain the gamma energy but it wasn't working. It took Dr. Strange to come and save Surfer from further embarrasment. Hulk has taken out cosmic beings already, such as Galaxy Master, the Stranger, the Gardener and the Champion(actually it was a non-fight) so Surfer was just another guy to beat up in that issue. Green Lantern as Hal Jordan was the only other Super-friends that impressed me, but his stoopid ring got drained of power after a day. Flash is fastest man alive...1 thunderclap oughta fix that. Next? Aqua-man? Please. He would ask a dolphin to fight for him. Next? Apache Chief? Black Lightning? Solomon Grundy slapped Super-friends around by himself mind you...that's embarrasing considering he's even dumberer than a mindless Hulk

Thing

06-03-2003, 09:18 AM

Batman beating the Hulk is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Only Superman really stands a chance.

DACMAN

06-04-2003, 02:35 AM

Madder HULK gets, the stronger HULK gets.

Can Superman do that?

akut401

06-04-2003, 11:37 AM

It's only Superman and Spectre in DC, and Spectre isnt even in the same level, so he shouldnt even really count....

STRONGEST

06-04-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by mcentepede
I have to give this one a thumbs up! Cuz you guys really know your stuff. I will take an impartial position here and go with what I have read in the past. Hulk is 1-2 vs. D.C. losing to Bat-man once and Super-man once. But he beat Supes the first time(he knocked him into space with one punch). Of course, this was in the 70's before Supes got beat up to death by Doomsday. Judging that Supes is top dog, I give Hulk a good chance vs. rest of Super-friends. Wonder Woman got beat by Storm in crossover battle, a fite I thought she should have won. Thor beat up Shazam! with ease, Hulk took down Thor in last year's annual. In Silver Surfer #125, Hulk got his revenge finally by beating up Surfer in his own book, because Hulk couldn't turn back into banner and Surfer tried to drain the gamma energy but it wasn't working. It took Dr. Strange to come and save Surfer from further embarrasment. Hulk has taken out cosmic beings already, such as Galaxy Master, the Stranger, the Gardener and the Champion(actually it was a non-fight) so Surfer was just another guy to beat up in that issue. Green Lantern as Hal Jordan was the only other Super-friends that impressed me, but his stoopid ring got drained of power after a day. Flash is fastest man alive...1 thunderclap oughta fix that. Next? Aqua-man? Please. He would ask a dolphin to fight for him. Next? Apache Chief? Black Lightning? Solomon Grundy slapped Super-friends around by himself mind you...that's embarrasing considering he's even dumberer than a mindless Hulk
Geeeez man!!!
I finally found my match in the versus threads!!!:eek: :D
Great post BTW. :hulk:
P.S. HULK should trash Superman easily, and Batman? Well I won´t even consider that one.

Hank

06-05-2003, 11:53 AM

I think everyone is going to say the winner is who they like most.
Since I'm a huge Superman nerd I think supes beats Hulk in a very close, massively destructive fight.
Here are my reasons:
1.It's true that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder. But he's dumb. He has blind rage and can't call upon his wits to help him win.
2.Superman has more powers. He has superbreath, superspeed, heat vision and the power of flight. While Hulk can jump far, he can't control himself in the air. Superman could coax him into jumping after him, whereas Sups could then easily avoid him and then pummle him as Hulk continues to fly in the same direction. He could also fry his genitalia. And I don't care how tough you are, that's gonna hurt.
3.Superman's smarter. Superman is incredibly quick with his brain and could therefore use better judgment and quick-thinking to help him out, whereas the Hulk would collapse into a coma if presented with a crossword puzzle.
4. And finally, Hulk derives all his power from his anger. That being said, Superman would use his incredible intellect to calm Hulk down to where he would transform back into David Banner, at which point Superman would throw the mother of all haymakers and decapitate Banner, sending his head into orbit.

I can concede that the two of them are probably equal in strength, but with all that I have mentioned above, Superman has a considerable edge.

mcentepede

06-08-2003, 08:00 PM

You know, Blockbuster Video has the Challenge of the Superfriends on dvd and video. My cousins rented it last week and we all watched it. It is amazing how crap the Superfriends were. I mean c'mon. Solomon Grundy was slapping them around. Grogg the Talking Gorilla was knocking them around too. Aquaman was pretty much useless on land. Wonder Woman had some skills with that magic lasso. Aside from Batman's intellingence and Green Lantern's ring, they were weak. Superman seemed equal in strength with Apache Chief, Grogg,Bizarro, and Grundy so that aint saying much. As for Robin...."Holy comedic relief BatMan" and "Holy...Why am I even here Batman?" So all you guys have to do is rent it yourself and then come back here and say your stuff. But it was fairly entertaining, Lex luthor was funny and Bizarro cracked me up(Me am Bizarro and Me Super-friends smash them)

Spec Spider-Man

06-11-2003, 11:54 PM

Superman already did take out the Hulk in The MARVEL VS. DC comic mini-series in the late 90's.

MasterBates

06-13-2003, 01:01 PM

ARGH!

Please don't bring up that crossover.....

It really wasn't legit.

:(

DSprangthlgnd

03-28-2004, 12:59 AM

Superman whups the Hulks' arse in grand fashion.Sorry guys and gals,the fact of the matter remains that when all is said and done,Superman just has too many other superpowers for the Hulk to overcome. I concede that on the ground in a toe to toe slugfest,the Hulk probably has a SLIGHT edge over big blue.This ,however, is predicated on the assumption that Superman will not utilize his superhuman speed, heat vision,superhearing,or any other of his supersenses (including his ability to think and react at superhuman speed).How does Hulk beat the Man of Steel when he can fly at speeds exceeding the sound barrier.Superman's speed far exceeds the Hulks' speed.His strength levels are in the same ballpark.He can fly. He could hear him coming from miles away.(and see him coming from miles awayfor that matter.) As much as tried to see it from the other side,I just can't get my brain around the Hulk beating Superman.
I'm sure this will draw enough criticism to last into the next millenium,but I really and truly believe that Superman would not go down at the hands of the Hulk.Sorry.

Cap_America

03-28-2004, 01:05 AM

the only one with a chance is Superman but the Hulk would still do some major damage:hulk:

03-28-2004, 01:14 AM

You're all deluded... :o In a funny way... :D

Search for the older Superman/Hulk thread... I dont feel like going on for 15 pages again... :o

03-28-2004, 01:14 AM

Or better yet, check this out...

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97529

Sava

03-28-2004, 11:21 AM

Only Superman could beat Hulk

mike5005

03-30-2004, 03:18 PM

I admit that Hulk beating the JL is a bit much. If wonderowman & GL & martian Manhunter ganged up on Superman, they would win and the same for the Hulk. Now we all know that Supes is Faster than the Hulk, but we also know that leg speed is different than Hand speed & that the Hulk isn't slow and going to stand still while being hit. Hulk vs. Superman or Batman comics were also rigged by votes not by people who want to see characters matched by powers. Captain Marvel has beaten supes before. Yes, Supes is overrated. Bizarro could beat Supes. Until the Hulk movie, lots of people didn't know Hulk could move at 300 miles an hour with his legs, but isn't that to be expected for someone of his muscle enhancement or size..he's more really 1000 + pounds of muscle, 0% fat. Hulk has also taken out the Xmen which many people believe can beat JL or match up well with JL. If you're gonna match characters, match them according to there abilities, not by votes or false crap or popularity. I think Hulk and Superman should either be tied or given to Hulk by one punch because the Hulk would out last Supes.

SSR_Forest

04-01-2004, 01:11 AM

In a fight where the Hulk's anger appears to have no limit, as it increases, so does his strength.

Please He gets his angry and he turn into the unbeatable no one can get into my strenght level god.:rolleyes:

And All the feats that superman have done is nothing compare to hulk right,because they are usually bull**** or not possible to do,
like reheating the sun with heat vision(close to sun) and freezing and planet villain with freeze breath.

Damn spelling errors.

Hulkophile

04-01-2004, 02:53 AM

Please He gets his angry and he turn into the unbeatable know one can get into my strenght level god.:rolleyes:

Well, whether you believe it or not, it's pretty much true. The Hulk has faced opponents a lot stronger and was able to match and surpass their strength. The Abomination originally was class 200 and the Hulk was able to overtake him. The Hulk (TIH #440), enraged but still aware of his surroundings, held off an enraged Thor who was entering warrior's madness. Check out my sig, a link will lead you to a list of Hulk feats.

And All the feats that superman have done is nothing compare to halk right,because they are usually bull**** or not posseable to do, like reheating the sum with heat vision(close to sun) and freezing and planet villain with freeze breath.

The Hulk doesn't have heat vision or super freeze breath or super speed or flight. You take all of those things away from Supes and he's just another bruiser that would most likely have trouble defeating Marvel heavy weights like the Abomination, Iron Man, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, etc...

At any rate, for a mortal, the Hulk's feats are god-like IMO. Give the Hulk any of Supes abilities and just imagine how much more incredible the Hulk can be.

Hulkzilla

04-01-2004, 03:50 AM

The Spectre is the Most Powerful being in the DC Universe, so MAYBE he could take out HULK........but I doubt it

:hulk:

GammaBeast

04-01-2004, 12:12 PM

Spectre wold take the Hulk out in a nanosecond.

04-01-2004, 12:14 PM

A nanosecond? I doubt it.

It really depends on what incarnation of The Spectre it is, he hasnt always been all powerful. At times, he really isnt even all that impressive. At his peak, he would utteraly destroy The Hulk. Just saying though...

GammaBeast

04-01-2004, 12:16 PM

If he used the full extent of his power he could just blink the hulk out of being, it depends how hard he tries.

GAMMA MONSTER

04-02-2004, 09:57 AM

well is he better then the stranger .also remember the spectre has all the his power when god wants him to have all his power

Guyverjay

04-02-2004, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Hulkophile

The Hulk doesn't have heat vision or super freeze breath or super speed or flight. You take all of those things away from Supes and he's just another bruiser that would most likely have trouble defeating Marvel heavy weights like the Abomination, Iron Man, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, etc...

At any rate, for a mortal, the Hulk's feats are god-like IMO. Give the Hulk any of Supes abilities and just imagine how much more incredible the Hulk can be.

Sorry but that really is an incredibly pointless and irrelevent statement to make. Just my imo

I hate this thread:(

Hulkzilla

04-02-2004, 01:04 PM

I was referring to the Spectre in his most All-Powerful phase, not the current Hal Jordan incarnation.
And I still think it wouldn't be easy, but doable

Hulkophile

04-02-2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Sorry but that really is an incredibly pointless and irrelevent statement to make. Just my imo

I hate this thread:(

Any other time, I would probably never make that statement, but I was commenting on what someone else said. But thank you for your opinion. It is noted...

Guyverjay

04-03-2004, 08:07 AM

Did I detect a bit of sarcasm there?:D

Hulkophile

04-03-2004, 11:27 PM

Of course not... :p

red scrpion

04-11-2004, 02:53 PM

The only person that could even put up a good fight for the hulk would be super man and it would be one hell of a fight.

Donald Thomas

04-21-2004, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by web-slinger
Genius, CapStacy. Pure genius. Excellent job at digging up evidence, my friend.:D
Aloha,
It's so great to read people who do their homework. This is the level of debate ALL threads should have. Not a bunch of flaming but facts and quotes. You go Capt.
Spidey rules

Superbot400

05-02-2004, 12:33 AM

Spectre, maybe Flash, and Green lantren (somehow) would beat Hulk. What about Firestorm, Maritan Manhunter, Doomsday, Darkseid? Hulk would beat the living **** out of Superman. Superman only has speed which, he barely uses . Who vote for Batman? Batman had a lot of hard time beating Bane. Hulk is what, 100x stronger than that:rolleyes:. Batman is dead meat when ever fighting the Hulk. Who knows what would Hulk do to him:eek: . I'm not sure about the Flash.

05-02-2004, 05:34 PM

Why in the **** does everyone think Bane beat Batman? It's not like it was exactly a definitive fight or anything. He came back and kicked his ass anyhow.

Superbot400

05-02-2004, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Why in the **** does everyone think Bane beat Batman? It's not like it was exactly a definitive fight or anything. He came back and kicked his ass anyhow.

Well I know that Batman can beat Bane, but he always did had some hard time beating him

05-02-2004, 05:41 PM

He had a hard time after going against and beating a dozen other people, not sleeping for 2 days, nearly getting blown up, hit with The Scarecrows gas, almost drowning, and so on. Later on he completly kicked Bane's ass.

Docker2.0

05-03-2004, 01:14 PM

I feel you Mr. X but one reason why I think people think that is cuase he broke Batman's back. So technically he won one fight out of hundreds. He still would get clobbered by the Hulk though.

05-03-2004, 01:27 PM

I could of broken Batman's back in the state he was in at that time. And Batman's a normal human, it's really not that impressive to break his bones. It is impressive, to lets say, break The Hulk's neck. Mainly because of his extremly tough bones. His neck has been broken 3 times, once by Ravage, once by The Maestro, and The Maestro's neck was broken once. Bane isn't anything special, Captain America destroyed him. :o

Docker2.0

05-03-2004, 01:33 PM

Never said I agreed with it. I'm just saying that is a reason why people were probably saying that Bane could beat Batman.

Superbot400

05-08-2004, 02:31 PM

I'm not saying that Batman can't beat Bane. Batman beats many times, Bane never did beat Batman, Batman just had little probelm with him. Hulk still beat the living ^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ of Batman in a fight.

Eyeballing

05-16-2004, 08:22 PM

barring the exception of the cosmic beings in the DC universe and possibly Darkseid no one can defeat the hulk from the DC universe, no one sorry even if they did he would simply regenerate back to his old self :D

05-16-2004, 08:28 PM

Take into account Doomsday beat Darkseid within an inch of his life, and he would of died if he wasn't for Superman helping him out. And Superman nowadays can beat Darkseid, so meh...

Eyeballing

05-16-2004, 08:47 PM

i said possibly dark seid ;)

05-16-2004, 08:51 PM

I know, I was just saying. :) ;)

Eyeballing

05-16-2004, 08:55 PM

i know me too ;):D

Docker2.0

05-17-2004, 01:22 PM

Darkseid couldn't beat the Hulk. Sorry. it's a fact that Doomsday is basically the Hulk from Krypton and bares a resemblance to the Maestro so Darkseid ain't beaten him if Doomsday almost killed him. You really can't prepare for his strength cuase he gets strong on a cosmic level once he gets mad.

Bapman

05-24-2004, 08:14 AM

hulk.... smash..... ??? :(

Docker2.0

05-30-2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Hank
I think everyone is going to say the winner is who they like most.
Since I'm a huge Superman nerd I think supes beats Hulk in a very close, massively destructive fight.
Here are my reasons:
1.It's true that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder. But he's dumb. He has blind rage and can't call upon his wits to help him win.
2.Superman has more powers. He has superbreath, superspeed, heat vision and the power of flight. While Hulk can jump far, he can't control himself in the air. Superman could coax him into jumping after him, whereas Sups could then easily avoid him and then pummle him as Hulk continues to fly in the same direction. He could also fry his genitalia. And I don't care how tough you are, that's gonna hurt.
3.Superman's smarter. Superman is incredibly quick with his brain and could therefore use better judgment and quick-thinking to help him out, whereas the Hulk would collapse into a coma if presented with a crossword puzzle.
4. And finally, Hulk derives all his power from his anger. That being said, Superman would use his incredible intellect to calm Hulk down to where he would transform back into David Banner, at which point Superman would throw the mother of all haymakers and decapitate Banner, sending his head into orbit.

I can concede that the two of them are probably equal in strength, but with all that I have mentioned above, Superman has a considerable edge. I am so sick of the superspeed thing would get the Hulk. Superman rarely uses the superspeed in a fight. Heatvision and freeze breath wouldn't even phase the Hulk cuase of his healing factor. Superman is smart but he isn't exactly the brightest bulb on the shelf. As I stated earlier you can't really prepare for the Hulk strength cuase once he gets TO mad, you can't make a shell strong enough to contain him. Superman can fly but the Hulk can jump really high. It isn't the same thing but Superman wouldn't get away from him to long especially if the Hulk gets ticked off. It's only a matter of time before he gets hold to big blue. With that said, it could go either way, with lots of damaged, lives lost, and both of them messed up. Actualy Superman messed up cuase the Hulk could heal himself. Superman can't, it's just hard to hurt him.

Bapman

05-30-2004, 11:59 AM

hulk smash ??? :(

Blue Lantern

06-20-2004, 03:10 PM

Dammit all. What about Zatanna? !ssA yM ssiK ,kluH yeH

Sauron

06-28-2004, 06:19 PM

Hulk smashes all puny dc wimps!

SSR_Forest

07-28-2004, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Docker
I am so sick of the superspeed thing would get the Hulk. Superman rarely uses the superspeed in a fight. Heatvision and freeze breath wouldn't even phase the Hulk cuase of his healing factor. Superman is smart but he isn't exactly the brightest bulb on the shelf. As I stated earlier you can't really prepare for the Hulk strength cuase once he gets TO mad, you can't make a shell strong enough to contain him. Superman can fly but the Hulk can jump really high. It isn't the same thing but Superman wouldn't get away from him to long especially if the Hulk gets ticked off. It's only a matter of time before he gets hold to big blue. With that said, it could go either way, with lots of damaged, lives lost, and both of them messed up. Actualy Superman messed up cuase the Hulk could heal himself. Superman can't, it's just hard to hurt him.

Cry me a river.:rolleyes:

He does use more his superspeed now a days.

Just to make it clear,I agree it could go either way.

Jplaya2023

03-25-2006, 09:19 PM

Batman would own hulk. I dont care about the rest.

AlmightyElijah

03-25-2006, 09:46 PM

You bought this 1 year and 8 months old thread back just to say Batman could beat the HulK? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Jplaya2023

03-25-2006, 09:56 PM

You bought this 1 year and 8 months old thread back just to say Batman could beat the HulK? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I didnt want to make a thread and have people crying about researching old one's

Mr. Green

03-26-2006, 01:38 AM

:confused: Why isn't there an option for Hulk killing all of DC?

AlmightyElijah

03-26-2006, 10:30 AM

Hulk can kill the Spectre? :eek:

rodhulk

03-26-2006, 11:39 AM

:confused: Why isn't there an option for Hulk killing all of DC?Probably a DC fan (and/or somebody who doesn't like the Hulk).

Guyverjay

03-26-2006, 11:40 AM

Probably a DC fan (and/or somebody who doesn't like the Hulk).

You can't be serious?

rodhulk

03-26-2006, 11:45 AM

You can't be serious?Maybe, maybe not, but after reading torkibe's comment in another thread on Hulk fans, I may just have meant it.

supermarvelman

03-26-2006, 10:18 PM

I didnt want to make a thread and have people crying about researching old one's

Pretty much your damned if you do and your damned if you dont around here.

Jplaya2023

03-26-2006, 10:36 PM

Pretty much your damned if you do and your damned if you dont around here.

Exactly

supermarvelman

03-26-2006, 10:38 PM

These nerds (like me) will always be anal control freaks so you pretty much just have to post what you want and let them be whinny little *****es.

Ahura Mazda

03-27-2006, 08:17 AM

The most hilarious thing about this thread is seeing those who were defending the Hulk 3 years ago and now debate his downfall almost it seems to me to provocate certain posters who take liking the Hulk to extremes.

rodhulk

03-27-2006, 11:28 AM

Jplaya2023

03-27-2006, 11:30 AM

Exaclty what posters are you talking about "liking the Hulk to extremes?"

you and your aliases devilhulk, mr green, and hulkster04

rodhulk

03-27-2006, 11:37 AM

you and your aliases devilhulk, mr green, and hulkster04Really, and yet it is you more than all of us together that is being called 'fanboy.'

Do you know that Spider-Man even admitted that he can't beat the Hulk (he got lucky once, but that's it). Hulk has won way more over Spidey than vice-cerca. So, explain..... How is Spiderman greater than the Hulk?

Jplaya2023

03-27-2006, 11:58 AM

Really, and yet it is you more than all of us together that is being called 'fanboy.'

Do you know that Spider-Man even admitted that he can't beat the Hulk (he got lucky once, but that's it). Hulk has won way more over Spidey than vice-cerca. So, explain..... How is Spiderman greater than the Hulk?

Spiderman holds back. He knows hulk is a hero, just an idiot. Killing hulk does nothing for spidey really. So he just toys with him.

Ahura Mazda

03-27-2006, 12:15 PM

Exaclty what posters are you talking about "liking the Hulk to extremes?"

Well obviously I was talking about devilhulk, and a few others, but if you read the statement it was not aimed at any of you but rather just showing that those who argue against the Hulk today seemed to argue for him yesterday. Most of the discussions here nowadays end up being name calling most of the time and that is unfortunate.

I enjoy the hulk and think he is very powerful but I realise he has his limits - whatever the writer wants him to have when he writes the Hulk in a story. There is no consistency but however some of the statements I read here seem ridiculous to even me, who is a fan of the Hulk. And I think some of that has driven people to be even more contentious then they would be outside of these boards. It is too bad the discussions cannot be a bit more constructive, that is all I am saying.

rodhulk

03-28-2006, 11:41 AM

Spiderman holds back. He knows hulk is a hero, just an idiot. Killing hulk does nothing for spidey really. So he just toys with him.No, Spidey said he 'can't' stop the Hulk which means with all his powers. Hulk took out Spidey with a thunderclap. If Spidey was toying with Hulk, then he would never have gone down to the thunderclap and would have just kept toying' with him. Remember, what I just showed you is what the 'comic' showed. It did not and has never showed what you are saying. So, you could be wrong (now think about this, you say something but then I read the comic and it shows something different than what you said, let's not forget, the comics are their life, not 'our' discussion of the characters. Therefore, the final answer should be in the comics)!

HULK LOVER

04-17-2006, 08:32 PM

No, Spidey said he 'can't' stop the Hulk which means with all his powers. Hulk took out Spidey with a thunderclap. If Spidey was toying with Hulk, then he would never have gone down to the thunderclap and would have just kept toying' with him. Remember, what I just showed you is what the 'comic' showed. It did not and has never showed what you are saying. So, you could be wrong (now think about this, you say something but then I read the comic and it shows something different than what you said, let's not forget, the comics are their life, not 'our' discussion of the characters. Therefore, the final answer should be in the comics)! I tend to agree with you RODHULK!!!!!

rodhulk

04-17-2006, 09:51 PM

I tend to agree with you RODHULK!!!!!You are a smart man, Mr. Hulk Lover!

HULKSTER'04

04-21-2006, 02:43 AM

Did the JLA beat the Avengers in the crossover issues?
coz if they didn't then they don't stand a chance againts the HULK who beat the entire Avengers!

spideyrunner

05-08-2006, 04:46 AM

Superman vs The Hulk would be the best battle of the history in DC Comics.

BAH HUMBBUG!

05-15-2006, 01:45 AM

Who CAN? Well if it's can, meaning they have the ability to.

Superman
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel
Spectre
Flash
Green Lantern

All of them are capable of taking out the Hulk. Now who is most likely able to pull it off. I would say the Flash, mainly because he uses his speed all the time. Superman is more of a slugger than a speed fighter.

MJOILNIR

05-18-2006, 12:09 AM

If Im not mistaken didnt king thor kill hulk and thing(along with wolvie and cap) at the same time:O around the time of the reigning:) King Thor arch ?

Badfish40oz

05-23-2006, 06:18 PM

rodhulk

05-23-2006, 10:50 PM

This poll was clearly made by someone with a strange bias against the Hulk. There is not one option that favors the Hulk, it's just . . "who can beat him, a, b, c, or all of the above." Give me a break.

In fact, in just searching through a few threads on here, a lot of Hulk-haters post here. Why?That's what makes the Hulk boards so bad sometimes. :down

I don't mind debating, they're welcome to do that, but it's the name calling and put downs that should be left out.

And welcome to the Hype, Badfish. :up: :)

BAH HUMBBUG!

05-23-2006, 10:53 PM

That's what makes the Hulk boards so bad sometimes. :down

And welcome to the Hype, Badfish. :up: :)

Yes but rod you know just as well that there are plenty of so-called Hulk haters, there are as well just as many Hulk zombies. I think it's also tough for the Hulk because he is such a touchy character. In terms of talking about his abilities, which mainly is his rage enduced strength. Without being one of the strongest, he loses his appeal. But his is only mortal and called the strongest mortal to walk the Earth.

I think the Hulk haters just try to balance out the over zealous crazed Hulk fans and try to talk some reason into them, for the most part. Not in all cases, some people are just *****. But it goes both ways.

BAH HUMBBUG!

05-23-2006, 10:53 PM

This poll was clearly made by someone with a strange bias against the Hulk. There is not one option that favors the Hulk, it's just . . "who can beat him, a, b, c, or all of the above." Give me a break.

In fact, in just searching through a few threads on here, a lot of Hulk-haters post here. Why?

Plus the question is who has a chance at beating the Hulk? Not who will always beat him.

Jplaya2023

05-23-2006, 11:18 PM

rodhulk

05-23-2006, 11:36 PM

Yes but rod you know just as well that there are plenty of so-called Hulk haters, there are as well just as many Hulk zombies. I think it's also tough for the Hulk because he is such a touchy character. In terms of talking about his abilities, which mainly is his rage enduced strength. Without being one of the strongest, he loses his appeal. But his is only mortal and called the strongest mortal to walk the Earth.

I think the Hulk haters just try to balance out the over zealous crazed Hulk fans and try to talk some reason into them, for the most part. Not in all cases, some people are just *****. But it goes both ways.Yeah, but like I said, sometimes they do it to people who just say "Hulk will win' and not "Hulk wins because he's the strongest one there is so nobody can beat him...." I can understand people that take it overboard can have a little lesson by these Hulk haters (though, not all of them are HH's and in fact, most may not be), they're only giving back what is given.

It's just people who say it simple, "Hulk will win," and then get attacked for just that. And I say this with other fans of other hero's as well, not just the Hulk. I think you're well aware now that my comic knowledge and characters that I like are much more than just the Hulk. Hulk is my fav, but I really consider myself a 'comic fan' too, not just a Hulk fan.