BBC's Sherlock: Series 2

[Boom]

A US TV insider defended the project, admitting they had been influenced by Sherlock's success but adding they wanted to bring a 'modern twist' to the stories, which they claimed would have viewer appeal.
... Which is exactly what Sherlock did :dry:.

[Boom]

Potentially a massive spoiler regarding the last episode.

http://a.yfrog.com/img515/2151/c9f.png

Is that Cumberbatch's stunt double (aka a goof), or is this confirmation that there was a body switch?

[TheVileOne]

An American TV version just sounds stupid.

It will just be another pedestrian procedural with a quirky lead just like PRIME SUSPECT and every other lame bland procedural out there.

I just don't see the point honestly. And for the haters, just because a series is being conceived doesn't mean it will get picked up.

[echostation]

No one saw my earlier posts... One clear way is to make Sherlock a foreign Muslim or Arabo type character. That gives it a new political ethnic social political spin that would b exciting to see... otherwise it's the same old Psych Mentalist stuff over and over...

[TheVileOne]

I saw that post echostation . . . I just thought it was a bad idea :D .

Also I doubt the estate that controls Sherlock Holmes would allow that. They were apparently furious over the rumors of a gay relationship between Sherlock and Watson in the new movies and the possibility of them kissing.

Seriously echostation, you really think a Hollywood production company will approve of an Arab/Muslim version of Sherlock Holmes? C'mon. C'mon!

[Thundercrack85]

Isn't Sherlock in the public domain?

[TheVileOne]

It's confusing. I think mostly it is but specific parts are not.

I blame authors and lawyers and people who write copyright law. It is deliberately confusing and hard to interpret like contracts.

[Boom]

DVD:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005UL537Y

Blu-Ray:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005UL53AQ

I don't know if they're compatible with US DVD/Blu-Ray players, though.

[Liam_H]

The Blu-Ray is region free while the DVD is not.

[Boom]

So the Blu-Ray will work on US players?

I have a PS3 and a Sony Blu-Ray player. If it will work on even one of them, I'm ordering it tomorrow.

[Liam_H]

Yeap, the Blu-Ray is listed as region free so it should work on either one of those machines.

[Boom]

:awesome:

[chamber-music]

The producer of the BBC's Sherlock has said that she finds the mooted US remake of the show, called Elementary, to be "extremely worrying".

Speaking to The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/legal-thriller-looms-as-sherlock-takes-his-caseload-to-new-york-6292682.html), producer Sue Vertue revealed that she was concerned that US network CBS's plans to revamp the detective series in a modern context would overlap with the UK version of the show.

She said: "We understand that CBS are doing their own version of an updated Sherlock Holmes. It's interesting, as they approached us a while back about remaking our show."

She went on to add:
At the time, they made great assurances about their integrity, so we have to assume that their modernised Sherlock Holmes doesn't resemble ours in any way, as that would be extremely worrying. We are very proud of our show and like any proud parent, will protect the interest and wellbeing of our offspring.



So basically CBS went to the BBC and asked if they could remake their Sherlock and they said no so CBS is going to make it anyway but call in Elementary.

I know Sherlock Holmes is a public domain character but if CBS tries to directly rip off storylines and characterization from BBC Sherlock I wonder if Moffat, Gatiss and co could or would sue them.

[Kahoot]

Doesn't Sherlock get aired in the US with the name Elementary already? I may be mixing things up a little but I was sure some said it aired with a different name.

[Boom]

So apparently UK discs are authored to 50i specs, meaning that the video is encoded In 1080i 50hz.

From my understanding, Playstation 3's and Sony Blu-Ray players operate at 1080p 60hz, meaning that they can only play discs authored to 60i specs. In other words, the Blu-Ray won't work on either of my systems :csad:.

This **** is confusing.

[Orb]

Doesn't Sherlock get aired in the US with the name Elementary already? I may be mixing things up a little but I was sure some said it aired with a different name.

Its still called Sherlock here.

[Gold Samurai]

if CBS tries to directly rip off storylines and characterization from BBC Sherlock I wonder if Moffat, Gatiss and co could or would sue them.


I don't see how. Maybe someone could tell me.

Moffat and Gatiss are still putting their own spin on classic "Sherlock" novels

"A Study in Scarlet"

"The Reinbach Falls"

"The Hounds of Baskerville"


I don't think see how they can sue when they themselves are using the material and telling it in a modern day setting.

[TheVileOne]

First series was released on DVD in the US. Why wouldn't series 2?

I also reviewed series 1 on DVD for the American release:

http://www.411mania.com/movies/dvd_reviews/167819/Sherlock:--Series-1-DVD-Review.htm

[chamber-music]

I don't see how. Maybe someone could tell me.

Moffat and Gatiss are still putting their own spin on classic "Sherlock" novels

"A Study in Scarlet"

"The Reinbach Falls"

"The Hounds of Baskerville"


I don't think see how they can sue when they themselves are using the material and telling it in a modern day setting.
I know Moffat and Gatiss are doing their take on the stories what I mean is if CBS directly copied their take on the stories just changed the setting to the U.S.

For example the Hound Of The Baskerville episode if they used a military testing facility and a hallucinogenic drug plot.

[Boom]

First series was released on DVD in the US. Why wouldn't series 2?

I also reviewed series 1 on DVD for the American release:

http://www.411mania.com/movies/dvd_reviews/167819/Sherlock:--Series-1-DVD-Review.htm
They did, but it came out a few months after the UK version.

I'm impatient :csad:.

[chamber-music]

I wonder if Moriarty's brother/s will show up in the next series

[Crockett]

They should adapt The Sign of the Four for one of the episodes in the next series, it's a favorite of mine, it introduce Mary also.

[Two-Face=Badass]

They should adapt The Sign of the Four for one of the episodes in the next series, it's a favorite of mine, it introduce Mary also.
I agree, Sherlock definitely needs more racism.

As long as you cut Small's story from the end, and alter it so it doesn't end up being a middle finger to minorities like the Blind Banker, it could be quite enjoyable though.

[Monsieur Xavier]

Can someone explain to me why Moriarty shot himself, I didn't quite understand his motives.

[jonathancrane]

Can someone explain to me why Moriarty shot himself, I didn't quite understand his motives.

He shot himself so that Holmes could not acquire the codes to recall the assassins who were about to shoot John, Lestrade, and Mrs. Hudson. Thus, making suicide the only way Holmes could save his friends.

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
Thank you. I thought it was not the whole reason because it was too extreme, Moriarty wants to beat Sherlock but what is the purpose of beating him if you have to kill yourself to accomplish it ?

[chamber-music]

^^
Thank you. I thought it was not the whole reason because it was too extreme, Moriarty wants to beat Sherlock but what is the purpose of beating him if you have to kill yourself to accomplish it ?
Moriarty Is crazy, obsessed with Sherlock and bored of being a genius. Beating his rival Sherlock was all he really had to live for

Thats what I think anyway :oldrazz:

[Crockett]

I agree, Sherlock definitely needs more racism.

As long as you cut Small's story from the end, and alter it so it doesn't end up being a middle finger to minorities like the Blind Banker, it could be quite enjoyable though.

I agree, that's one aspect that shows the product of the time Conan Doyle lived in, the undercurrent of racism can be troubling but I love that Moffat and Gatiss takes the basic plotline of the stories and made it into their own version while it sticking true to the source material, in a way so even it's fresh for the fans, if they could have a shot on this I'd be curious.

[Sawyer]

From Deadline: (http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/michael-cuesta-signs-overall-deal-with-cbs-studios-will-direct-cbs-pilot-elementary/)
Michael Cuesta Signs Overall Deal With CBS Studios, Will Direct CBS Pilot ‘Elementary’
By NELLIE ANDREEVA

EXCLUSIVE: Hot off directing the pilot for Showtime’s acclaimed new drama series Homeland, which he also executive produces, Michael Cuesta has signed an overall deal with CBS TV Studios. Under the seven-figure pact, which starts immediately and runs through June 1, 2013, Cuesta will direct and executive produce the studio’s contemporary Sherlock Holmes drama pilot Elementary. He will also develop for next season, probably with his brother Gerald Cuesta, with whom he did the cult 2007 CBS/20th TV zombie pilot Babylon Fields. Michael Cuesta will likely write a pilot, which he will direct if greenlighted. If not, he will helm another pilot for CBS TV Studios next season. The overall deal won’t interfere with Cuesta’s duties on Homeland, on which he will continue as executive producer and primary director at least through Season 2. Cuesta recently received a DGA nomination for helming the pilot of the Golden Globe-winning series.

The pact reunites WME-repped Cuesta with CBS TV Studios after he directed the pilot for the studio’s CBS drama series Blue Bloods. He also directed the pilot of another hit series, Showtime’s Dexter. Elementary is described as a modern take on the cases of the pipe-smoking private eye created by Arthur Conan Doyle, with Sherlock now living in New York City. Veteran Medium writer-producer Doherty wrote the script and is executive producing with Cuesta, Sarah Timberman & Carl Beverly.

At least American Sherlock's got a good director behind it. The Homeland pilot was fantastic.

[TheVileOne]

Directors on TV shows are nothing more than hired guns though really. Directors just do it to fill their resume and to get the work. It's not really THEIR project or vision.

[Sawyer]

Eh. Don't necessarily agree, but alright.

[Kahoot]

Directors on TV shows are nothing more than hired guns though really. Directors just do it to fill their resume and to get the work. It's not really THEIR project or vision.
I agree partly. The part I don't agree with: when it's a pilot, it is their project.

[jonathancrane]

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd415/Joel_Dufresne/tumblr_lygnifLR1U1qidvxko1_1280.jpg

I made this last night, copied it, and distributed it around campus. It's my revival of the 'Frodo Lives' movement, but through 'Sherlock' (all inspired by the Tumblr campaign.)

[TheVileOne]

I don't get it.

Oh wait, is that Moriarty?

[TheOnlyOmega]

For those who don't understand that photo
http://www.movieviral.com/2012/02/04/sherlock-fans-create-diy-guerilla-marketing-campaign-believe-in-sherlock/
#believeinsherlock

[Wesley Dodds]

"Brook is the most soft-spoken and kindest individual one would ever want to meet"
- Sebastian Moran.

Nice touch. Very nice touch.

[the amazing fro]

I wonder what stories are going to be adapted next year? The Adventure of The Empty House is a given and I think, as someone mentioned earlier, that Sign of The Four is a good bet. The third one though, could be anything.

[ZombieBatman]

Watson: "And nobody will ever convince me that you told me a lie."

What was the lie?
When Sherlock was on the roof of the hospital talking to John on the phone he said that he was a fake, and that he made up Moriarty to impress people.

[Doctor Jones]

They should definitely do a Sign of Four.

[Dr Lee]

Is Sherlock up for any BAFTA's?

[chamber-music]

Johnny Lee Miller is cast as Sherlock in CBS Elementary which is funny because he was Benidict Cumberbatch co-star in Danny Boyles stage production of Frankenstien last year.

[nite-owl]

Is Sherlock up for any BAFTA's?

If it is I hope it doesn't lose to The Only Way Is Essex again.:csad:

[DrDoom]

just marathoned season 2. held back tears when watson was talking to sherlocks grave

[jonathancrane]

just marathoned season 2. held back tears when watson was talking to sherlocks grave

Same here.

Sherlock's rescue of Irene Adler, for me, almost evoked the same presence of tears, but those of joy.

In addition, I found Henry Knight's breakdown in the final confrontation in the Devil's Hollow to be very painful to watch (like Osterman being trapped inside the chamber in Watchmen.) His screams when the dog approached were those of the damned; it still gives me gooseflesh thinking of them.

[jonathancrane]

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-03-01/steven-moffat-expect-new-sherlock-villains

Sherlock co-creator Steven Moffat has suggested that the detective will not be facing his original nemesis Moriarty in future series.
As far as fans know, Moriarty died at the end of series two, having shot himself ahead of Sherlock’s now legendary dive from the top of a hospital building.
But if Sherlock can survive that – and we know that he does – could his arch-enemy also have faked his death?
While Moffat doesn’t answer that question for sure, he has made it clear that Moriarty (Andrew Scott) will not feature heavily in future series of Sherlock and that fans should expect new adversaries for Benedict Cumberbatch's detective.
“Moriarty’s a one-shot deal in the original [books]. I don’t want [Sherlock] to turn into a show that’s about one villain and one hero,” said Moffat.“Moriarty was great because he was a surprise. Every time you bring him back he won’t be as big a surprise.
“We need to find new villains, we need to find new ideas, otherwise the show doesn’t keep growing,” he added, in an interview for a French website.
And Moffat suggested he would be returning to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s original stories to seek inspiration for Sherlock's future adversaries.
“There are other great villains in [the Conan Doyle books] that we want to visit. We have to keep the show growing otherwise it won’t surprise you. Once you get the measure of it you’ll just get critical - if we keep surprising you and keeping you off balance you won’t.”
A transmission date for the new run of Sherlock is yet to be announced. Following the finale in January, Moffat and co-creator Mark Gatiss took to Twitter (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-01-16/sherlock-steven-moffat-and-mark-gatiss-confirm-series-three) to reveal that the third series had been commissioned at the same time as the second.




Yes!

[Infinity9999x]

I like that they're not going to have Moriarty come back all the time. His final plot against Sherlock was great. And one thing I really, really enjoyed about it was that it combined pretty much EVERY major theory about Moriarty into one episode. You have the
1.) Original idea that Moriarty is the criminal mastermind Holmes has been trying to stop.
2.) Moriarty is an invention of Holmes, because Holmes couldn't stand not having an intellectual rival.
3.) That Holmes created Moriarty as an excuse to commit suicide.

Granted, there are more theories, but they're more or less similar deviations of the ones I've mentioned.

However, I would kind of like them to bring Moriarty back if they end the Sherlock series. Because, to be honest, the character was created as a great means of being Sherlock's "final battle." So I wouldn't mind seeing Moriarty return one last time when the show takes it's final bow.

[Gold Samurai]

Bleeding Cool has a report on the shooting schedule for the next season of Sherlock (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/new-series-of-sherlock-gets-scheduled-for-shooting-at-least/) -- early 2013, after season seven of Doctor Who is finished filming.

This sort of supports the idea that Moffat can not run two series at once.

[ImWithTeamConan]

Just finished the first series today on Netflix, it was amazing!

Assuming the second series was even better.

[Infinity9999x]

Bleeding Cool has a report on the shooting schedule for the next season of Sherlock (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/13/new-series-of-sherlock-gets-scheduled-for-shooting-at-least/) -- early 2013, after season seven of Doctor Who is finished filming.

This sort of supports the idea that Moffat can not run two series at once.
...They're not filming until 2013?

:csad::csad::csad:

And yes TeamConan, I thought the second season was better overall. It follows the first in that the 1st and 3rd episode are the best and the 2nd the weakest, but this 2nd episode wasn't as weak as the 2nd episode from the first season was, and I thought the first and third episode of season 2 were the two best episodes I've watched.

[Liam_H]

The fact that they're not filming until 2013 is not surprising these guys are pretty busy with their careers. I had always thought early 2013 was best case scenario considering how long it took them to get Series 2 going.

[chamber-music]

Sherlock co-creator and writer Steven Moffat says he is "annoyed" a US network is working on an American version of the hit UK show.

CBS announced earlier this year they would be filming a pilot called Elementary.

The US programme will feature Sherlock in New York and Watson will be played by 43-year-old Lucy Liu.

Steven Moffat says he hopes it will be good or it may degrade the Sherlock brand.

"It isn't a version of our show," he said. "They've just decided to go off and do one of their own, having been turned down by us to do an adaptation of our version.

"So how do you think I feel about it? Annoyed is in there."
The US Sherlock will be played by British actor Jonny Lee Miller.

If the pilot is successful, it will be turned into a TV series which will air on US television in the autumn.

"The bigger problem for us with Elementary is, what if it's terrible? What if it's awful? Then it degrades the brand," he said.

"I remember there was a legitimate American version made of Coupling, actually adapted from our version.

"It was terrible and it was a disaster and it did sort of diminish the original.

"So if there's this completely unrelated rogue version of Sherlock going around and it's bad, it can be bad for us."

So far CBS hasn't revealed which Arthur Conan Doyle stories will be made.
Talking at the Royal Television Society Awards, Moffat dismissed the idea that legal action had been taken over copyright.

"We don't own Sherlock Holmes," he said. "We don't even own the idea of updating it. It's been done before.

"I hope they know their Sherlock Holmes very, very well indeed because we know what's in our show and wasn't in the original.

"So if we did discover our material had made it into somebody else's show we would have a problem with that. If there is no such incidence of that, then there's nothing we can object to."

When asked about a possible fourth series, Moffat revealed that Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch was keen to continue playing the lead role.


Moffat will be watching

[Infinity9999x]

I'm still miffed about the CBS thing too, but I don't think Moffat needs to worry about Elementary degrading the Sherlock brand. Sherlock Holmes is too popular a fictional character for one American TV series to hurt it too badly. And either way, Sherlock will be going strong on BBC, and it has a pretty dedicated cult following in the US. Netflix helps a lot too.

[Boom]

The Sherlock Series 2 DVD/Blu-Ray will be available in the US on May 22nd.

http://www.amazon.com/Sherlock-Season-Blu-ray-Benedict-Cumberbatch/dp/B004QOB8SY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333069048&sr=8-3

[Asteroid-Man]

Anyone else wanna see Irene come back for Series 3??

[Wolfwood]

Yeah I think Moffat is over reacting a bit when he talks about the American adaptations diminishing the originals. That's such a fanboy argument.

[rashad]

Anyone else wanna see Irene come back for Series 3??
I'd love to see Irene in Series 3. The chemistry between her and Sherlock was fantastic.

[Artistsean]

What happened to season 2? the channel it showed on showed reruns of season 1, and then nothing. Did I miss Season 2? Or has that not aired yet?

[chamber-music]

What happened to season 2? the channel it showed on showed reruns of season 1, and then nothing. Did I miss Season 2? Or has that not aired yet?

Doesn't air until the begining of May in the U.S.

Many local PBS stations are running the first season again before showing the second season.

[Artistsean]

Did this already air? Or not out yet?

[Dr Lee]

UK had it a while back..... think it's coming out very soon in the US

[chamber-music]

Airs tonight in the U.S on PBS

[Hush]

Holy Crap series 2 is off to a bang, great start. Ahh why must I wait longer for more!

[Metal Spidey]

Edit: Never mind found my answers elsewhere.

[DACrowe]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all :O ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name. ;)

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.

[Llama_Shepherd]

We never see Sherlock's face after the fall, IIRC. It could be anyone.

Not to mention all the little possible clues that were planted which have led to so many theories on his survival.

[Dr Lee]

Watson was both blocked from seeing Sherlock hit the ground... and was hit and stunned as he ran over to where Holmes lay.....

[TheComicbookKid]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all :O ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.
.

Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

[jonathancrane]

Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

Indeed. She used one of her clients to achieve that.

[Doctor Jones]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all :O ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name. ;)

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.

Wait til season 3.

[Artistsean]

Season 3? Are you sure there will be one?
I have seen a short interview where the producer (who also produces Dr. Who) said that Season 1 no one was expecting it so there wasn't any anticipation, but now season 2 is starting and everyone is waiting and there is a huge fan base. So that got me thinking, why would you then cancel the series after 2 short seasons (3 episodes each)?
But maybe Sherlock actor has plans. He is going to be in the Hobbit and Stark Trek 2 (as the villain). Maybe he is moving on.
I would hate it if they left it this way, left such a bad taste in my mouth.
I especially hated the last episode because all the people who hated Sherlock because he was better than them, who ridiculed him because he was different, are now smuggly saying "I was right." And there is no one taking that away from them. They could have at least had the Lastrad berate those two detectives in front of everyone making them feel stupid. Maybe shown at the end that Lastrad, the woman he rented from, and Watson gave one another knowing looks to show they knew he wasn't dead... or something. The build up was great, but maybe what they should have done instead of just leaving so many things unanswered would be to actually show how Sherlock faked his death. (Just like how Sherlock is always explaing how he knows so much, showing based on just a look he knows where the person works, for how long, what they do there, if they have pets, can fire a gun, etc. Maybe they could have shown it like one of his explanations to once again show he is so brilliant.)
The only way it can become a better episode is if they had Sherlock come back. Knock on Watson's door and its Sherlock saying "I need your help."
Or better yet, Sherlock gets a knock on his door and its Watson, "I tracked you down, and I need your help."

[Llama_Shepherd]

BBC ordered Series 3 along with Series 2. And Martin Freeman has already said he will be returning and I do believe Moffat said filming commences the beginning of next year.

[Boom]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all :O ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name. ;)

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.
- Those bystanders could be members of Sherlock's homeless network.
- There was a loaded garbage truck parked right where the body landed, which then drove away once the body hit the ground. Don't you find that a bit odd?
- Watson was stunned after being struck by the bicyclist, and in his dazed state saw what he expected to see - which was Sherlock. In truth, it was probably a cadaver dressed up to look like him.
- Bear in mind that DNA tests would likely be handled by Molly, who Sherlock came to for help before meeting with Moriarty.
- As far as identifying the body, that's a simple matter of having Mycroft show up, take a look at the body, and say, "Yep. That's him." Closed casket and you're set.

[Artistsean]

BBC ordered Series 3 along with Series 2. And Martin Freeman has already said he will be returning and I do believe Moffat said filming commences the beginning of next year.
Really? That would be cool. Then Season 2 shows how dangerous Moriarty is (so dangerous that he makes the world hate Sherlock and makes him fake his death). Then season 2 could be about Sherlock's redemption.

[DACrowe]

Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

Perhaps Molly can play some role. However, Irene Adler had been such a mysterious woman who stayed off the radar until she appeared in the second series that there was not lot of medical records of her. Thus, manipulating a similarly shaped dead woman's blood to match the non-existant records of her own is easier than the more public Sherlock. And again, Sherlock had become a celebrity so either everyone around his body was in on it (and Watson was hallucinating) or they all recognized him as the local detective hero.

Also, this still negates that we clearly see Sherlock talking to Watson on the phone, close-ups of his face looking at Watson as he makes his "confession," and then the same unchanged person jump off the building.

I predict that he gets Molly to dress up a John Doe cadaver as him and he threw that off the building after Watson got clipped (though the timeline doesn't quite fit) and that Molly will then lie in the coroner's report that it's him. However, that requires such a suspension of disbelief, I'm still dubious.

Also, I'm still pissed off everyone thinks Sherlock is a fraud and Moriarty is a hoax. :)

Sherlock may not care if people think he's a fake, but him being a celebrity detective whose ego is bigger than everyone in any room is half the fun.

[TheComicbookKid]

Perhaps Molly can play some role. However, Irene Adler had been such a mysterious woman who stayed off the radar until she appeared in the second series that there was not lot of medical records of her. Thus, manipulating a similarly shaped dead woman's blood to match the non-existant records of her own is easier than the more public Sherlock. And again, Sherlock had become a celebrity so either everyone around his body was in on it (and Watson was hallucinating) or they all recognized him as the local detective hero.

Sorry. I meant that as a definitive statement. Molly helped him.

His head would've hit the pavement. Most people's skulls won't be in the same shape it was as before. Throw the blood on top and such. Plus, I don't think any of those people walking around were just innocent bystanders. Those medical staff that rushed to help were probably people Molly asked to help her.

Unlike Sherlock, Molly could get people to help her.


Also, this still negates that we clearly see Sherlock talking to Watson on the phone, close-ups of his face looking at Watson as he makes his "confession," and then the same unchanged person jump off the building.

I predict that he gets Molly to dress up a John Doe cadaver as him and he threw that off the building after Watson got clipped (though the timeline doesn't quite fit) and that Molly will then lie in the coroner's report that it's him. However, that requires such a suspension of disbelief, I'm still dubious.

I think people are saying that the dump truck had something to do with softening his landing. Like something attached on the side of the truck he actually landed on then they threw the corpse onto the ground and Sherlock left in the truck.


Sherlock may not care if people think he's a fake, but him being a celebrity detective whose ego is bigger than everyone in any room is half the fun.

He hated being a celebrity though, so I doubt he'd care about going back to being the PRIVATE detective.

[mr. peasant]

He hated being a celebrity though, so I doubt he'd care about going back to being the PRIVATE detective.

Except faking his death and reemerging alive would make him a huge celebrity.


Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

I don't think they would have bothered confirming Sherlock's identity using DNA since he was known to them and hence they (as well as Watson) were able to identify his body, and considering the death was a witnessed suicide. Granted, they would have kept genetic samples of him for potential future reference but I don't think it's standard procedure to run a DNA profile of it. It wouldn't be worth the time and money (think it's about half a grand per test).

[TheComicbookKid]

Except faking his death and reemerging alive would make him a huge celebrity.


I'm not sure celebrity is the right word. More like pariah.

Remember. His reputation is in shambles. People still believe him a fake.

Just like James Frey(?) when he was revealed to be a fake. He was spurned and no one pays attention when he releases books.

This won't be a comeback story.

[mr. peasant]

Not quite the same. Yes, he would still be seen as a fraud. But resurrecting yourself from the dead makes you Jesus.

[TheComicbookKid]

Not quite the same. Yes, he would still be seen as a fraud. But resurrecting yourself from the dead makes you Jesus.

More like fake detective. Fake death. Fake.......

They'll think he did it to escape scrutiny.

Sherlock Holmes = A-hole.

Which he already was to people who knew him. lol

[Rob Lobo]

Andrew Scott as Moriarty won the Best Supporting Actor for BAFTA 2012

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[Llama_Shepherd]

I think he deserved it, I really enjoyed his Moriarty, he was (is?) a great foil to Cumberbatch's Sherlock. Apparently I'm in the minority on that though.

[TheComicbookKid]

I wasn't sure what to make of his appearance in season 1, but by season 2, he'd definitely found how to pull it all together.

Very deserved win.

[Rob Lobo]

During his debut in season 1, I never thought the scrawny looking guy in the lab would turned to be Moriarty. It was a surprise. But in season 2, he was creepy yet displayed the charm and it did reminds me of Heath Ledger's Joker in lots of ways.

[Doctor Jones]

I didn't really like his Moriarty until the last episode this season. Still could have gone for something different, but it ended up fine for me.

[dark_b]

i watched S2 in one day. woow fantastic.

but i dont understand why they are shooting in 2013. i thougt the reason S2 came out so late was because Freeman was filming 2 Hobbit movies together . if i understand right Cumberbatch finished Star trek 2 and Freeman only has reshoots for Hobbit. couldnt they do Sherlock S3 in 2012 ?

[TheComicbookKid]

i watched S2 in one day. woow fantastic.

but i dont understand why they are shooting in 2013. i thougt the reason S2 came out so late was because Freeman was filming 2 Hobbit movies together . if i understand right Cumberbatch finished Star trek 2 and Freeman only has reshoots for Hobbit. couldnt they do Sherlock S3 in 2012 ?

Moffat still has the second half of Doctor Who to shoot in the fall.

[DACrowe]

I didn't like his Moriarty at all. He was bratty and annoying to me instead of being brilliant and menacing in some way.

I will say that if any of the actors from S2 deserved a supporting win, it was the actress who played Irene Adler in the first episode.

[TheVileOne]

They tried to do something a little different with Moriarty in this series. And credit to them for doing so, but I don't think they really pulled it off very well. They didn't want Moriarty to be "reptilian."

[Infinity9999x]

They tried to do something a little different with Moriarty in this series. And credit to them for doing so, but I don't think they really pulled it off very well. They didn't want Moriarty to be "reptilian."

I think it worked in the final episode of S2, but I agree that all the other times...it just seemed a tad off. I wasn't crazy about it either.

[jonathancrane]

I actually enjoy their take on Moriarty. While he does not have the reptilian nature that Harris had in Game of Shadows, I found him to be quite demonic, especially in S2. The video he recorded for the cab and his grin before his departure still chill me.

[Hush]

Great Season Finale, see you all in 3 years! Haha.

[obin_gam]

http://i.imgur.com/XJzA7.png

[Wesley Dodds]

Mmmm... So! The Giant Rat of Sumatra, Watson marrying Mary Morstan and, most interestingly, His Final Bow... Which would seem to indicate that this will be last series.

[Dr Lee]

That'll be a shame if it was... though i guess with the popularity of the actors now, it's going to be more difficult to get them together to film

[obin_gam]

Ah I was wondering about the rat word. So are they going to do a version of The Sussex Vampire or do you think theyre going to come up with the rat story by themselves?

[Wesley Dodds]

Well, so far they've quite nicely managed to take inspiration from the source material whilst largely doing their own thing, so I would guess they're going to go ahead and explain what The Rat actually is.
That's a total guess, though! :hehe:
Whatever they do, it's gonna be great.

[Wesley Dodds]

Y'know, if they go ahead and actually do end the series, His Final Bow is the perfect story to adapt.
The tale of an elderly Holmes and Watson coming out of retirement to solve one last case whilst the world stands on the brink of war has 'eye-blisteringly brilliant finale' written all over it.

[Crockett]

I thought "Boscombe Valley Mystery" and "Noble Bachelor" when it comes to rat and wedding, thought the latter story like Holmes pointed out, it was easy to unravel having solved many similar cases like that but despite that even the most simple stories Moffat & Gatiss would do great since it's interesting how they decide to approach and updating it and incorporating new elements to the story.

[chamber-music]

Japans doing a Sherlock Manga so I'm guessing the show is pretty popular there too
http://s14.postimage.org/kcw32bk69/tumblr_m9w3pu_UJkm1qe757yo1_500.gif

[Riptor]

Totally digging this new Sherlock Holmes series. Really was the best adaptation in the modern era (definitely better than this mediocre Robert Downey Junior ones)

[jacobed]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.

[jacobed]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.

[RetroNaz]

That's probably what Elementary will be like.

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Now my pov on Elementary, I found the first episode really similar (on many points) to the BBC series but tasteless... Really, I just can't get what the point of this show (except money of course). Moffat may be hard on it, but imagine you create something and somebody else do the same thing as you, but not with the same purposes... you'll be cross too.

[chamber-music]

I saw he first episode of Elementary.

It wasn't awful but it felt very generic and less dynamic than the BBC version. Elemenatary may as well be the mentalist, House or any other detective show.

Millers Sherlock uses his phone alot like the BBC version although text doesn't appear on screen. Millers Sherlock didn't come across as super intelligent either.

Again I only saw one episode but the Sherlock Watson dymanic isn't as fun or intresting as the BBC version either.

Overall its a perfectly watchable show and I'm sure it will probably do well enough but it isn't bringing anything fresh to the Sherlock stock.

[CuberToy]

The thing is that, like you said, it's just another "detective show" like any other. Take the same script, change "doctor" by "mentalist" or "writer" or "legist" etc.... and you get a new show (some better that others though).

What I don't get is, who is Elementary made for ? Sherlock is way too popular all over the world, if it's not better, why bother...

[DarthSkywalker]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.

What have they said?

[jonathancrane]

No, the creative team is the douche in the matter:

Sue Vertue said this in January, "Sue Vertue, Sherlock Executive Producer at Hartswood Films, said: "We understand that CBS are doing their own version of an updated Sherlock Holmes. It's interesting, as they approached us a while back about remaking our show. At the time, they made great assurances about their integrity, so we have to assume that their modernised Sherlock Holmes doesn't resemble ours in any way, as that would be extremely worrying." She added: "We are very proud of our show and like any proud parent, will protect the interest and wellbeing of our offspring."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/legal-thriller-looms-as-sherlock-takes-his-caseload-to-new-york-6292682.html

Besides, Cumberbatch was misquoted.

[DarthSkywalker]

What is exactly wrong with that?

[chamber-music]

I don't see how the BBC guys are douches when CBS went to ask them to remake sherlock show in which the BBC guys said no as the show already airs in the U.S so there isn't much point in remaking it so CBS went off and made their version of the show.

While anyone can make a Sherlock adaptation the BBC Sherlock creators were just making sure CBS did not directly rip off 'their version of Sherlock' which is understandable.

Also the reality is Elementary probably would not exist without the success of the BBC version

[The Englishman]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.

No they are not...

[dark_b]

the BBC show is not finished and its popular all over the world. they have the right to be insulting,douches,.......

there is something creative in BBCs Sherlock. from the acting,casting,music,cinematography. its just good.

[jonathancrane]

the BBC show is not finished and its popular all over the world. they have the right to be insulting,douches,.......

there is something creative in BBCs Sherlock. from the acting,casting,music,cinematography. its just good.

This.

[chamber-music]

I remember seeing that awful sherlock holmes in san francisco 90s pilot.

I'm looking forward to seeing Colonel Sebastian Moran Moriarty's number two and chief assassin.

They could bring back Andrew Scott in a flashback and show him recruiting Moran.

[antsman41]

Anyone doubting the faking his death, Watson got hit by a bicyclist to knock him off his senses and Molly helped somehow. Maybe she taught him how to land to exceed death or something crazy we'll have to wait for to be explained.

[jonathancrane]

When 55 Days finishes its run, Gatiss will prepare to play Mycroft Holmes, brother of the sleuth, in three episodes of Sherlock, including one he wrote; meanwhile, the second of his two Doctor Who episodes is, as we speak, being finalised in the editing suite. He would like to continue his collaboration with Steven Moffat (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/gallery/2012/aug/30/doctor-who-posters-new-series) on both high-profile BBC1 series for as long as possible, but does not envisage any extension of his career as a novelist: this saw him produce three books about Lucifer Box (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/jun/24/fiction.features), an artist who moonlights as a spy. "I have enjoyed doing it but, absolutely honestly, it's so much more work, in terms of being labour-intensive, than screenwriting. In a way, I never really got Lucifer Box the way I wanted it to be. I think, between the three novels, there's probably a good one in there."

SRC: http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2012/oct/21/mark-gatiss-off-with-head

First, I would love to see him as Charles I. Sadly, I live on the other side of the pond.:mad: But, it is good to hear that production will be starting soon, and that he wrote two episodes for DW.

[chamber-music]

I really enjoy his Lucifer Box trilogy.

[The Caped Knight]

Series 3 trailer
XXN-kdoG_jk

[ThePhantasm]

Looks fan-made.

[The Caped Knight]

Looks fan-made.

that was my first reaction as well. But it doesn't appear to be

[Rowsdower!]

Anyone have any theories on how Sherlock survived at the end of Season 2? I'm wondering if he had that lab girl cook up some of the fear drug from the Baskerville episode and slipped it in John's drink, so that he "saw" Sherlock fall to his death when what he actually saw was Sherlock toss Moriarty's body over the edge. Still, that wouldn't explain how the assassins were called off.

[ThePhantasm]

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x435/batmanphantasm/sherlockme_zpsbf178179.gif

[antsman41]

Is Moriarty somehow coming back?

[ThePhantasm]

Its fan made, not an official advert. Found it on Tumblr.

[Nightwing]

OOOOH that is sweet. Even if it's fan made. Good find.

[TheVileOne]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.
What did they say?

[jonathancrane]

I believe Moriarty is dead, but, he might return via flashback. It would be weird if they introduced Sebastian Moran - which seems very likely - without Moriarty.

[rashad]

Sherlock - Season 3 - 1st February 2013 - Set Photo (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/02/sherlock-season-3-1st-february-2013-set.html)

[darkslayer101]

Sherlock - Season 3 - 1st February 2013 - Set Photo (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/02/sherlock-season-3-1st-february-2013-set.html)

Very excited
When does the season actually start?

[chamber-music]

Begins shooting March

[xisaacx]

Moffat and Cumberbatch are being huge douches over Elementary. It's stupid and childish.


Maybe because the show isnt needed and is a cheap knockoff?

[Dr.]

Maybe because the show isnt needed and is a cheap knockoff?

A CBS TV-series budget is probably higher than the BBC counterpart. :cwink:

[DarthSkywalker]

A CBS TV-series budget is probably higher than the BBC counterpart. :cwink:

And yet looks so much cheaper. Guess money can't buy quality.

[Dr.]

And yet looks so much cheaper. Guess money can't buy quality.
In terms of its direct competition (i.e., other police procedurals on US TV) I think the show measures up. Sherlock has the advantage of three episodes constituting an entire season. Elementary has to produce 24.

[DarthSkywalker]

In terms of its direct competition (i.e., other police procedurals on US TV) I think the show measures up. Sherlock has the advantage of three episodes constituting an entire season. Elementary has to produce 24.
So it measures up to bad television. Great? Sherlock is 3 films every 12 to 18 months, that are of high quality.

Quality over quantity.

[Gort Baringa]

Elementary started a few weeks ago here in Perth (Australia).

I gave the last program a miss and watched Downton Abbey - something that I wouldn't even consider for Sherlock! Season Three is highly anticipated.

Is there another Downey movie in the works?

[Dr.]

So it measures up to bad television. Great? Sherlock is 3 films every 12 to 18 months, that are of high quality.

Quality over quantity. I was thinking more in terms of generally well regarded procedurals like the Law & Order franchise, The Mentalist, White Collar, Criminal Minds, etc. Elementary holds up against those.

Now imo, Sherlock is the superior production all around (though, I wasn’t a particular fan of “The Hounds of Baskerville”). But acknowledging the preeminence of one doesn’t automatically reduce the other to crapola. I enjoy both.

[Wyrminarrd]

They are both goods shows, just in very different ways.

[chamber-music]

The pilot epsiode of Sherlock cost £800,000 which is $1 million US Dollars so BBC Sherlock isn't a cheap show.

I like Elementary but it is basically a standard procedural show which just happens to feature Sherlock Holmes and his mythology.

Its not all that unique and doen't bring that originality as a Sherlock adaptaion. There has been a female Watson, Sherlock in America and a Sherlock in which the drug addict side has been played up more before on film and tv. If you changed the names of the characters it could be any procedural show of the last 20 years. I also feel Johnny Lee Miller is also the a weaker and less entertaining Sherlock than Cumberbatch and Downey Junior.

Saying all that as I said before I think Elementary is an ok show.

[antsman41]

and BBC Sherlock is a masterpiece.

This show, the Hour, Luther prove that writing, acting, style, locations, etc. are all being done better by the BBC. I hate, that instead of the above... America wants as many episodes as possible, procedural the show, and cut costs on locations/sets/clothing.

Only current Dramas that compare in the US to BBC; are Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, and Shameless. But, that is mainly because AMC, Showtime, and HBO are our only hopes, stateside.

[rashad]

Sherlock - Cumberbatch Confirms Season 4 (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/03/sherlock-cumberbatch-confirms-season-4.html)

[ThePhantasm]

Sherlock - Cumberbatch Confirms Season 4 (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/03/sherlock-cumberbatch-confirms-season-4.html)

:wow:

[O'Haire]

****ing awesome. Was worried series 3 would be the last. But knowing we are getting at least two more makes me very happy.

[chamber-music]

Cool

Filming is underway on series 3

http://s14.postimage.org/8cbu7hfcx/Sherlock_series_3_read_through_begins_see_the.jpg
The high demand for both Cumberbatch and Freeman also necessitated another scheduled break for “Sherlock’s” production cycle. The first two 90 minute episodes of season 3 will be filmed back-to-back before a hiatus over the summer in order to allow the two stars to get back to their film commitments. The third and final episode of the season will be filmed after the break.

Deadline is also reporting that Jeremy Lovering and Colm McCarthy are set to direct two of the three “Sherlock” episodes this season, with the third director currently unannounced.

“Sherlock” Season 3 is expected to debut on BBC One this winter, but a U.S. premiere could be pushed back into 2014, since PBS rarely airs international programs concurrently with their home country.

[Liam_H]

Surprised there will be a S4 but not complaining.

[antsman41]

Woohoo!!!!!!

[Wyrminarrd]

Good news, I really expected that season 3 would be the last given that the both the stars of the show have made it in Hollywood.

[Gotham's Knight]

YES! Just....YES!! There is no other way to react to that news. This is going to be great.

[darkslayer101]

Sherlock - Cumberbatch Confirms Season 4 (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/03/sherlock-cumberbatch-confirms-season-4.html)

I hope this doesn't mean a cliffhanger ending for season 3...

I am not complaining though...

[Gotham's Knight]

I hope this doesn't mean a cliffhanger ending for season 3...

I am not complaining though...

It does. I doubt they'll leave us with a normal ending, looking at their track record.

[TheVileOne]

Can't believe they are doing a fourth. But glad to hear it.

[Infinity9999x]

So, while we wait, what do people think about the following?
1.) Is Moriarty still alive?
2.) Irene Adler. Do we think they'll use her again, and how? I for one was surprised she wasn't included in Moriarty's "I'll kill the ones you care about the most." But I suppose that just means that Sherlock even fooled him about her "death." Though after Sherlocks "death," I wonder if she'll try to contact John?
3.) Obviously, Sherlock faking his demise. I've read lots of theories, but most of them seem somewhat plausible. Does anyone have any favorites?

[jonathancrane]

Moffat stated that Moriarty's arc is over; hence the decision to create new villains for this series.

[Destructus86]

That's good...because Moriarty was freaking annoying.

[TheVileOne]

Was never crazy about Moriarty in seasons 1 and 2, so I don't mind seeing a new villain.

[DarthSkywalker]

Moffat stated that Moriarty's arc is over; hence the decision to create new villains for this series.

Rule number one. Moffat lies.

[Infinity9999x]

I wasn't a huge fan of Moriarty in Season 1, but I really enjoyed his performance in The Riechenbach fall. And I'm also slightly skeptical about him actually being dead. But I wouldn't mind it if he was.

How about Irene? Anyone else think she'll have any further roles to play?

[jonathancrane]

I doubt it. With that said, I am happy she is out of the picture, as bringing her back would undermine the ending of 'A Scandal in Belgravia,' which is one of the best. In regards to Moffat lying, I agree that it is a possibility, but, explaining his survival would be more difficult than Sherlock's (perchance the gas from 'Hounds'?)

[antsman41]

Moriarty was amazing. I loved that they created the perfect super villain to Sherlock for the period this takes place in. Makes sense, and the actor was beyond great.

[Infinity9999x]

I doubt it. With that said, I am happy she is out of the picture, as bringing her back would undermine the ending of 'A Scandal in Belgravia,' which is one of the best. In regards to Moffat lying, I agree that it is a possibility, but, explaining his survival would be more difficult than Sherlock's (perchance the gas from 'Hounds'?)

I don't know if it would undermine it. I mean, Sherlock obviously saved her, and I don't see her being able to stay away from him forever. I'm very interested to see if his "death" will bring her out of hiding in some way.

And it certainly would be hard to explain, but then, we are talking about one of the two most brilliant men in the world here. I don't know if it would be the fear gas though. Since Sherlock has experienced it once, I feel like he would be able to recognize the effects.