State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 6

[moviedoors]

Woody Allen's greatest films are "Sleeper", "Take the Money and Run" and "Love and Death." The "early, funny ones" as I think he calls them.

What about Bananas?

[gwynplaine]

What about Bananas?
Yeah, it's really funny too. Good one:up:.
I also like a couple of the segments in "Everything you've always wanted to know about sex etc..."

[A Necessary Evil]

I dunno how unpopular / popular this is but I find goldeneye to be the best bond movie still.

[Lasirius]

I love Goldeneye, and I agree with you.

[Secret Fawful]

I like these kind of anecdotes:up:
I still love both of them though, with a slight preference for the Marx Bros because of the genius that was Harpo. I recommend reading his memoirs "Harpo Speaks", one of the best actors' bio I've read.

Groucho made fun of EVERYONE. Those boys were pretty much exactly how they were in the movies, except for Zeppo who I've heard was the funniest of the brothers in real life, though he never got to show it on screen. The fact they were so like their personas, with the exception of Harpo not being mute and Chico not being Italian, just FASCINATES me.

Groucho once told a story that he talked to Chaplin once and Chaplin said "You know I envy you. I wish I could talk in pictures the way you do." and Groucho said of that that "Chaplin is the greatest comedian there ever was, clowns or anything, and here he was envious of me because I could talk." I think I've always admired Groucho's wit more than anyone else's.

On another note....I don't get Woody Allen at all.

[El Payaso]

Woody Allen's greatest films are "Sleeper", "Take the Money and Run" and "Love and Death." The "early, funny ones" as I think he calls them.

Never seen "Crimes and Misdemeanors"? Thought it was a masterpiece.

[gwynplaine]

Never seen "Crimes and Misdemeanors"? Thought it was a masterpiece.
I agree with you but somehow I prefer the other ones.

[gwynplaine]

Groucho made fun of EVERYONE. Those boys were pretty much exactly how they were in the movies, except for Zeppo who I've heard was the funniest of the brothers in real life, though he never got to show it on screen. The fact they were so like their personas, with the exception of Harpo not being mute and Chico not being Italian, just FASCINATES me.

Groucho once told a story that he talked to Chaplin once and Chaplin said "You know I envy you. I wish I could talk in pictures the way you do." and Groucho said of that that "Chaplin is the greatest comedian there ever was, clowns or anything, and here he was envious of me because I could talk." I think I've always admired Groucho's wit more than anyone else's.

:up:
I love the Marx Bros and every story related to them. The unsung hero of the Marx family was actually Minnie Marx, the mother, who kicked their a$$es when they were being lazy and made sure her boys would perform on stage every night:woot:

Never seen "Crimes and Misdemeanors"? Thought it was a masterpiece.
I've practically seen them all. Here are my favorites
(not that you asked:woot:):
_ Sleeper
_ Take the Money and Run
_ Love and Death
_ Crimes and Misdemeanors
_ Annie Hall
_ Match Point
_ Sweet and Lowdown (one of Sean Penn's greatest performance)
_ Purple Rose of Cairo
_ Bananas
_ Everything you always wanted to know about sex...
_ Husbands and Wives
_ Mighty Aphrodite
_ Vicky Cristina Barcelona
_ Bullets over Broadway
_ Murder Manhattan Mistery
_ You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger

I also liked him in Antz.
Boy, what a body of work.

[Parker Wayne]

Marlon Brando was kind of an a-hole

Kind of? He was a complete a***ole.

[Watchman]

All this talk makes me want to have a Allen/Marx/Chaplin marathon. Not that I'm complaining.

I find Allen's 8 1/2 rip off homage Stardust Memories to be a really underrated film and probably one of my favorites of his.

[gwynplaine]

All this talk makes me want to have a Allen/Marx/Chaplin marathon. Not that I'm complaining.

I find Allen's 8 1/2 rip off homage Stardust Memories to be a really underrated film and probably one of my favorites of his.
:up:

[gwynplaine]

Between Tintin, Dragon Tattoo and Ghost Protocol, winter feels like the new summer. Not that I'm complaining, I'm more looking forward to these films than to anything that came out last summer actually.

[Eddie Dean]

Love and Death is great because Allen gets to play both Harpo and Groucho.

[gwynplaine]

Love and Death is great because Allen gets to play both Harpo and Groucho.
Yes he does:up:

[CelticPredator]

Winter is second summer. It's been that way since Titanic.

[CelticPredator]

Also, Immortals is a pretty awesome movie. Story wise...no, character wise...nah. Script wise? No way!

But visually? Holy ****. Action wise? AMAZING. Gore level? Over the top! One nice ass.

It was fun.

[Number 6]

It's simple. And it goes like this. Movies are a visual medium. To make a great movie, you need more then visuals. However....sometimes, just sometimes, you want to just relax, and watch. I dont get people who cannot do that at any time. I find it snobish.

But then again, if you can do it all the time, then you're dumb. :hehe:

I have to be in the right mood for some Bay, or big action crap spectcle.


I dunno...i'm not easy to please, but I if the filmmakers intention is to make it a certain way, and he or she knows it, i'm perfectly alright with it's bad-ness.

Well, yeah, I'm not saying I'm against the whole sitting down to watch a movie purely to relax, not at all. I don't necessarily think all movie experiences need to be shaped like 2001 or something, but even still, I need some amount of depth and well roundness to the whole package. I just can't watch something that's utterly garbage just because it looks pretty. I'd rather just go to a 24/7 fireworks store, buy some of those, and watch all the pretty lights then sit through something that's junk for pretty visuals. Maybe that makes me a snob, I don't know, but if so, then a snob shall I be.

[kedrell]

It's simple. And it goes like this. Movies are a visual medium. To make a great movie, you need more then visuals. However....sometimes, just sometimes, you want to just relax, and watch. I dont get people who cannot do that at any time. I find it snobish.


To me, that's what music videos are for. But then they're only a few minutes long so it's easy. I have a hard time holding that for two hours, which is why I generally dislike purely stylish movies that only have that going for them. Sin City is about as far as I can go to enjoying that kind of movie. But it still had enough basics of a story(s) that I could enjoy it. Now the stories weren't very good nor was the dialogue much of the time but it managed it enough to land just this side of the good/bad line for me.

But that line is something each person needs to figure out for themselves where it lies.

[Figs]

Also, Immortals is a pretty awesome movie. Story wise...no, character wise...nah. Script wise? No way!

But visually? Holy ****. Action wise? AMAZING. Gore level? Over the top! One nice ass.

It was fun.

I wish there were more scenes with the gods. That one scene with Ares was so badass.

I love me some violence in rated R films, but I can't say that I enjoyed the sledgehammer to the crotch.

[A Necessary Evil]

I love Goldeneye, and I agree with you.

:up:

[moviedoors]

Well, yeah, I'm not saying I'm against the whole sitting down to watch a movie purely to relax, not at all. I don't necessarily think all movie experiences need to be shaped like 2001 or something, but even still, I need some amount of depth and well roundness to the whole package. I just can't watch something that's utterly garbage just because it looks pretty. I'd rather just go to a 24/7 fireworks store, buy some of those, and watch all the pretty lights then sit through something that's junk for pretty visuals. Maybe that makes me a snob, I don't know, but if so, then a snob shall I be.

Truth.

I also completely reject that movies are just a visual medium. Painting is a visual medium. Movies incorporate visuals, sound, time, editing. It's what makes them a unique art form. They're so much more than just light shows and pictures.

[gwynplaine]

I like eye candy like the next guy, but what I like most is a good story.

[CelticPredator]

I think Characters are the most important thing. A film can have a great story, but without any characters you care about..it's useless. (Sans stupid eye candy :D)

And film IS a visual Medium. That is a fact. Period. End of story. A film with a boring visual palette, is a boring film. I can't stand movies like that.

That Dogme 95 thing just annoys me as someone who enjoys film. What makes film so amazing is the ability to tell stories, and paint a moving picture. When directors take that part out of it, it bothers me.

*Note..PT fans will get pissy wissy with me



The Star Wars Prequels are some of the most visually boring looking films to come out in the last 20 years. Every shot is shot, reverse shot. Over the shoulder. Wide angle. Medium angle. Close up.

That is BORING. Flare it up. Move the camera in a unique way, put the camera on the ground, focus on someone's hand. ****, do a splitscreen shot. Anything but that.

That to me is boring filmmaking at it's finest. I like directors who can visually paint a picture with the camera. Every shot is interesting to look at.

One of the reasons why I enjoy Alien and Blade Runner so much is Ridley's way of capturing a good story, with interesting characters, and while having a fantastic visual look.

To me, a good film has to have atleast these 3 things. Characters. Acting. Good Camera work.

I think a good tale is alright, but I think characters can make a dull story so much more interesting.


Just ramblin on...meh. :(

[The Morningstar]

I agree that engaging characters are more important than story. But not by much. I mean, you have to have a compelling character first to even care about their story.

Like say, Bad LT Port of Call New Orleans. The story is pretty straight forward really. But it's Cage who makes the film. He makes the story better than it is.

But then, Nic Cage is God so...

[CelticPredator]

^ That. Which was said above me. Indeed.

[CelticPredator]

I don't even remember BL having a story. I just remember events. Coke. And ****ing Igauanas.

[gwynplaine]

Engaging and interesting characters should be part of a good story, or maybe I should say good script.
Not a big fan of the Dogma movement in general, but Festen was great because it had a really good story and characters. And I thought that BL was pretty boring, even though I enjoyed Cage's performance (I almost always enjoy Cage's performances, even in Wicker Man), because it was too long and the script wasn't very good. I think if a movie doesn't start with a good script, all the eye candy or great performances in the world won't be able to save it later on. But I also agree that some movies are just eye candy and can be enjoyed as such for the FX or whatever, like the transformers films etc...

[Parker Wayne]

I've never quite understand the whole 'I know it's couple and utter ****, but it was pretty.' I guess maybe when I was younger, I could be entertained with nothing but that kind of stuff, but I need at least some degree of depth or solid writing to entertain me nowadays. I suppose at least acknowledging that it is complete **** in the process is commendable.

The unpopular opinion to end them all, perhaps: I don't care very much about Batman. Mostly the character, but even his world is stating to lose its appeal for me.

I wish more people knew the difference between not liking and not understanding.

If you really don't understand why movies like transformers2, a movie I loathe, is popular, you may want to get your head checked.

[moviedoors]

I agree that engaging characters are more important than story. But not by much. I mean, you have to have a compelling character first to even care about their story.

Like say, Bad LT Port of Call New Orleans. The story is pretty straight forward really. But it's Cage who makes the film. He makes the story better than it is.

But then, Nic Cage is God so...

You combine a God like Nic Cage with a God like Herzog, and you've got gold. Bad Lieutenant is 24K.

[The Morningstar]

:up: Indeed, indeed.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The Dark Knight probably would have been a better movie is someone other than Christian Bale was cast. Val Kilmer for instance, was a far better batman.

[The Morningstar]

I actually think Kilmer could have been the best Wayne/Batman if he had a bit more to work with. There was flashes of greatness in Forever. But too little.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I liked Forever as a kid. I can see it's weaknesses now but yea I totally agree.
There are some great parts in the movie. The climax scene with Jim Carry defeated "too many qeations! :/" sad panda and Val giving his little speech walking towards him is awsome. If the movie was totally dark, it probably would have been rated very highly by batman fans.

[DyeLorean]

I like Batman Forever too. I think it was a good mix of the dark Batman and a little bit of the cheesy part (that Schumacher went overboard in Batman & Robin, which I think is terrible).

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

It would awsome if they made a documentary on the failure of Batman And Robin.
The new starwars movies seem to get that treatment, it's fascinating.

[Max J Power]

I agree with you but somehow I prefer the other ones.
My favorites are Annie Hall, Hannah and Her Sisters, Bananas, and Sleeper. I find those movies' brand of light-hearted cynicism and self-depricating humor more entertaining than the bleakness of Crimes and Misdemeanors and Match Point (which are great movies) or the ones where Allen's character is really unlikable. Manhattan and Deconstructing Harry, as good as they were, left me a little cold. I like comedies that tow the line between funny and depressing, but Allen's characters were so detestable in those movies I felt little sympathy for them.

[moviedoors]

I actually think Kilmer could have been the best Wayne/Batman if he had a bit more to work with. There was flashes of greatness in Forever. But too little.

I've thought that for so long. Kilmer is a natural at badasses and suave, witty mofo's. Batman/Bruce Wayne should've been a lock for him. Too bad he was wasted and that moment has passed now.

Caveat: I'm totally satisfied with Bale.

[DyeLorean]

He can be a good Penguin now, though.

[CelticPredator]

^ Hah

And yeah, I agree with everyone on Kilmer. Had the direction and script been stronger....ah...so sad.

I like Bale. But he wasn't as good as he was in Begins. No doubt TDKR will be his finest hour though.

[Art_of_Crime]

i thought Kilmer was a likable Bruce. I would have liked to see him again before Clooney. Hell I would have taken Abe Vigoda over Clooney

[Parker Wayne]

Val kilmer should be Batman now :o

[gwynplaine]

My favorites are Annie Hall, Hannah and Her Sisters, Bananas, and Sleeper. I find those movies' brand of light-hearted cynicism and self-depricating humor more entertaining than the bleakness of Crimes and Misdemeanors and Match Point (which are great movies) or the ones where Allen's character is really unlikable. Manhattan and Deconstructing Harry, as good as they were, left me a little cold. I like comedies that tow the line between funny and depressing, but Allen's characters were so detestable in those movies I felt little sympathy for them.
:up:

[Thebumwhowalks]

Ok, let's get some actual unpopular opinions on the go....

I prefer the Elliot Goldenthal Batman theme music to Danny Elfman's.

[Wesley Dodds]

Ok, let's get some actual unpopular opinions on the go....

I prefer the Elliot Goldenthal Batman theme music to Danny Elfman's.

Whilst I prefer Elfman's stuff, Goldenthal's music is definitely one of the few things the second two movies have going for them.

As for myself, I really dont think "comedy classic" There's Something About Mary is all that good.
Would've been so much better if they dropped the Stiller angle and made it solely all about Matt Dillon's deranged PI and his increasingly desperate attempts to romance her.
He's easily the best part of that film.

[gwynplaine]

Val kilmer should be Batman now :o
I agree:woot:

[gwynplaine]

Ok, let's get some actual unpopular opinions on the go....

I prefer the Elliot Goldenthal Batman theme music to Danny Elfman's.
Maybe but I don't remember it. To Me Forever was as bad as B & R and I prefer to forget everything about it. Maybe Kilmer could have been a good Batman/Wayne (just like Clooney actually) but unfortunately given the poor material he (they) had to work with, that didn't happen.
Best Batman, Keaton (and I don't even like B89:o). Best Bruce, Bale. So far.

[CelticPredator]

It's boring, and not nearly as iconic. Goldenthal's theme.

[DyeLorean]

The theme from Batman: the Animated Series was awesome.

[CelticPredator]

Its Danny Elfman's theme.

[DyeLorean]

Ah yes, that's right, I completely forgot.

[CelticPredator]

Don't let it happen again...


It's cool though haha.

[CelticPredator]

Don't let it happen again...


It's cool though haha.

[Secret Fawful]

I love Goldenthal's theme but it's extremely cheesy. It wouldn't work in the other Batman movies.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Ok, as pieces of music, I would say they are both about equal in quality , but I was thinking about it in the bath this morning as to why i prefer the EG theme in the context of a Batman film, and this is what i came up with....when i hear the Elfman theme I get a sense that this is the music Batman listens to while he is putting his cape on before he goes out, it's 'Batman getting ready in the Batcave' music in other words. It's very dignified in it's solid march to arms, it does sound like a rich guy putting a lot of dramatic emphasise on changing his underpants, as they are very expensive designer underpants that he wears for important reasons. But, not the usual kind of thing, to show off he has so much money he can spend stacks on pants as he takes his trousers off before sex, but they are imporatnt pants in the service of a noble cause.

Whereas the EG theme is very rousing in a different manner, it's not in preperation for action, it puts you smack bang in the middle of the action, it feels like the kind of music to illustrate Batman out on the streets, bounding over the rooftops, trumpets flaring and blaring all over the place as Batman bounces off a lampost and scissorkicks a bad guy into a barber's window.

I know trying to describe music is like dancing to architecture, as Frank Zappa tried to describe trying to describe music, but that is the most succint way of putting it as to why i prefer hearing that theme at the start of, and during, the movies.

[The Morningstar]

I love both Batman themes.

[Thebumwhowalks]

I love both Batman themes.

My actual favourite opening credits music(as well as the accompaning visuals) is for the 1966 Batman film.
It gives you the impression of what the 60s show/movie would have been like if they had followed the 'darknight detective/creature of the night' angle, instead of the day-glo graphics and decor.

[Rowsdower!]

Maybe but I don't remember it. To Me Forever was as bad as B & R and I prefer to forget everything about it. Maybe Kilmer could have been a good Batman/Wayne (just like Clooney actually) but unfortunately given the poor material he (they) had to work with, that didn't happen.
Best Batman, Keaton (and I don't even like B89:o). Best Bruce, Bale. So far.

Yep, totally agree with you on this... I don't see why so many people who hate B&R like Batman Forever. To me, it's still a terrible movie, just not AS bad. But (IMO) Tommy Lee Jones is every bit as horribly cheesy in BF as Arnold is in B&A, and Kilmer was the worst Batman, even more so than Clooney.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Dark Knight probably would have been a better movie is someone other than Christian Bale was cast. Val Kilmer for instance, was a far better batman.Bale is a good actor but I never cared for his performances in the Batman films. He's okay but that's it.

[gwynplaine]

Films I have very little to no interest in seeing: "Hugo." "We Bought a Zoo."

[moviedoors]

Hugo has yet to move me, and Scorsese changed my life. I'll probably give it a shot anyway.

[El Payaso]

I love Goldenthal's theme but it's extremely cheesy. It wouldn't work in the other Batman movies.

Ironically I think it could work on many other comic book characters movies, being such a generic piece. It has heroism to it but nothing specifically screams Batman.

[gwynplaine]

Hugo has yet to move me, and Scorsese changed my life. I'll probably give it a shot anyway.
Scorsese is God, but somehow I'm not really feeling Hugo. The only thing that interests me is Scorsese's use of the 3D, so I might give it a shot too after all.
On a related note, I think I like Scorsese's Cape Fear as much as the original one, and I like the original one a lot. I love how Scorsese kinda blended in Cape Fear with Night of the Hunter. One of DeNiro's greatest performance.

[Scourge2099]

I thought Donnie Darko was over rated. The only thing cool about it was that twisted rabbit costume.

[moviedoors]

Scorsese is God, but somehow I'm not really feeling Hugo. The only thing that interests me is Scorsese's use of the 3D, so I might give it a shot too after all.
On a related note, I think I like Scorsese's Cape Fear as much as the original one, and I like the original one a lot. I love how Scorsese kinda blended in Cape Fear with Night of the Hunter. One of DeNiro's greatest performance.
I think you nailed it. The native 3-D is probably the main reason I'm going to probably see Hugo. I have to see what Scorsese does with that. I think people are jumping the gun just a hair on 3-D. I'll reserve my judgement on the format until I see masters like Spielberg and Scorsese play with it. Who cares about Patrick Lusseir and half-assed conversions? So yeah, I guess I just talked myself into seeing Hugo.

And I agree exactly on Cape Fear as well. We got two great films out of that story.

[Superman 1265]

I have no clue why, but I find the animated Batman movies to be much more entertaining than the live-action ones. I haven't been very impressed with any of the live-action Batman movies.

[El Payaso]

I thought Donnie Darko was over rated. The only thing cool about it was that twisted rabbit costume.

Same here. I tried to make anything out of it but there were too many lose ends just for the sake of it. I particularly remember Drew Barrymore's character crying, then never being shown again and me wondering wtf was her and what was she suppposed to do/be/mean in this movie.

Saw it exactly 10 years ago and never again felt like seeing it again.

[gwynplaine]

I think you nailed it. The native 3-D is probably the main reason I'm going to probably see Hugo. I have to see what Scorsese does with that. I think people are jumping the gun just a hair on 3-D. I'll reserve my judgement on the format until I see masters like Spielberg and Scorsese play with it. Who cares about Patrick Lusseir and half-assed conversions? So yeah, I guess I just talked myself into seeing Hugo.

And I agree exactly on Cape Fear as well. We got two great films out of that story.
Good point:up: I agree.

I have no clue why, but I find the animated Batman movies to be much more entertaining than the live-action ones. I haven't been very impressed with any of the live-action Batman movies.
I recommend TDK:cwink:

[gwynplaine]

Same here. I tried to make anything out of it but there were too many lose ends just for the sake of it. I particularly remember Drew Barrymore's character crying, then never being shown again and me wondering wtf was her and what was she suppposed to do/be/mean in this movie.

Saw it exactly 10 years ago and never again felt like seeing it again.
Same here. And I don't remember anything about it besides the creepy looking rabbit.

[Superman 1265]

I recommend TDK:cwink:

I watched it already, wasn't too impressed. I have no clue why.

[Scourge2099]

Same here. I tried to make anything out of it but there were too many lose ends just for the sake of it. I particularly remember Drew Barrymore's character crying, then never being shown again and me wondering wtf was her and what was she suppposed to do/be/mean in this movie.

Saw it exactly 10 years ago and never again felt like seeing it again.
One of my friends called me retarded when I said Donnie Darko sucked. She said I didn't look at the film with open eyes. I was like it was a stupid time travel film from what I could piece together. Nothing mind blowing about that.

[Sloth7d]

I have no clue why, but I find the animated Batman movies to be much more entertaining than the live-action ones. I haven't been very impressed with any of the live-action Batman movies.

This is pretty much how I feel about the Superman films, especially after seeing All-Star Superman.

[Homer J. Fong]

Donnie Darko is one of those "love it or hate it" movies - I love it, flaws and all, but I can understand the opposite reaction, because I don't know if it all fits together perfectly. It does cohere FAR more than the films Richard Kelly's made since, though.

[El Payaso]

One of my friends called me retarded when I said Donnie Darko sucked. She said I didn't look at the film with open eyes. I was like it was a stupid time travel film from what I could piece together. Nothing mind blowing about that.

Tell him you saw it again on lsd and that you got everything this time. Then laugh it off together with a beer. :yay:

[Superman 1265]

This is pretty much how I feel about the Superman films, especially after seeing All-Star Superman.

I can honestly admit that I think that the live action Superman films could have been done somewhat better. I like the live action movies, but none of them show Superman's true potential as a character, or as a superhero. Just my opinion, of course.

[DyeLorean]

I can honestly admit that I think that the live action Superman films could have been done somewhat better. I like the live action movies, but none of them show Superman's true potential as a character, or as a superhero.

Yes, I feel that too. That's why I'm very curious to see Zack Snyder's take on Superman.

[Brain Damage]

Ok, as pieces of music, I would say they are both about equal in quality , but I was thinking about it in the bath this morning as to why i prefer the EG theme in the context of a Batman film, and this is what i came up with....when i hear the Elfman theme I get a sense that this is the music Batman listens to while he is putting his cape on before he goes out, it's 'Batman getting ready in the Batcave' music in other words. It's very dignified in it's solid march to arms, it does sound like a rich guy putting a lot of dramatic emphasise on changing his underpants, as they are very expensive designer underpants that he wears for important reasons. But, not the usual kind of thing, to show off he has so much money he can spend stacks on pants as he takes his trousers off before sex, but they are imporatnt pants in the service of a noble cause.

Whereas the EG theme is very rousing in a different manner, it's not in preperation for action, it puts you smack bang in the middle of the action, it feels like the kind of music to illustrate Batman out on the streets, bounding over the rooftops, trumpets flaring and blaring all over the place as Batman bounces off a lampost and scissorkicks a bad guy into a barber's window.

I know trying to describe music is like dancing to architecture, as Frank Zappa tried to describe trying to describe music, but that is the most succint way of putting it as to why i prefer hearing that theme at the start of, and during, the movies.

You nailed my opinions on this, though I think overall Elfman's score for the entire movie was better, especially in Returns, I love that one. But one of the greatest moments in any Batman film is in the opening of Forever and B&R, when the Bat appears. Those few really low notes that start it off, and then the haunting strings that come in, ahh, sends shivers down my spine. Now if only the movies lived up to that 5 seconds of PURE WIN AND AWESOME.

[CelticPredator]

I think you nailed it. The native 3-D is probably the main reason I'm going to probably see Hugo. I have to see what Scorsese does with that. I think people are jumping the gun just a hair on 3-D. I'll reserve my judgement on the format until I see masters like Spielberg and Scorsese play with it. Who cares about Patrick Lusseir and half-assed conversions? So yeah, I guess I just talked myself into seeing Hugo.

And I agree exactly on Cape Fear as well. We got two great films out of that story.

I do.

He's the only man around who knows how to make a fun horror movie. The ONLY one.

[The Morningstar]

I watched it already, wasn't too impressed. I have no clue why.

Because it's boring. Apart from Joker's scenes.

[CelticPredator]

I still love it. But it's overrated. It's Nolan's worst film. Which is a pretty great thing. :hehe:

[The Morningstar]

Ehhhh I find it about as entertaining as watching paint dry. If I watch it now i have to skip to all of Joker's scenes.

Batman is the most uninteresting thing in his own movie. Not good. And I hate a lot of the dialogue. It's just so unnatural and overwrought. Real people don't talk like that. There is barely any prose.

[Parker Wayne]

And here's comes more backlash :o

[The Morningstar]

My body is ready!

[CelticPredator]

I didn't disagree with you. Nor am I agreeing with you. :D

[CelticPredator]

I keep reading how people are still enjoying On Stranger Tides....so I guess this qualifies as unpopular.

I hate it because it's so bland and souless. It's visually unimpressive, and Jack Sparrow is a run of the mill hero. That's not Jack. He's not a hero. Nor a villian. He does what he thinks is right to him at that moment.

Plus, Blackbeard is the worst villian. He's not even a villian. Just a douche. Cutler Beckett was more intimidating then him. What did he do that was so evil, and vile? Give a lousy rat bastard cook a chance to escape before he burned him? Played "find the bullet" with his annoying backstabbing daughter?

I guess the only thing he did that was "bad" was forced Anglica to die for him...but whatever. It was a douchey thing. Not a bad thing.

The action scenes were slow and tedious. The music was recycled (although I enjoy listening to it as a mix tape kinda thing). The 3D was not even that impressive.
I hate that movie. Pirates 3 is way more entertaining then that. Atleast it's visually impressive, and the characters acted like they should've.

[Thebumwhowalks]

You nailed my opinions on this, though I think overall Elfman's score for the entire movie was better, especially in Returns, I love that one. But one of the greatest moments in any Batman film is in the opening of Forever and B&R, when the Bat appears. Those few really low notes that start it off, and then the haunting strings that come in, ahh, sends shivers down my spine. Now if only the movies lived up to that 5 seconds of PURE WIN AND AWESOME.

Aye, El Payaso was saying that there was nothing 'Batman-ish' about the EG music, but I disagree with that, those opening bars are perfect at establishing mood, they go well with the Bat-symbol appearing onscreen.

On the subject of the films themselves, I still prefer BF to B89 and BR, it just feels more like an adaptation of the comics, and it was, there was a lot of aspects in there from the books, moreso than the Burton films.
Gotham city also felt like a wide open space, rather than a studio set, something that bothered me about the Burton's, even though the set design was very good.

I think the action scenes in the Schumacher's are better, the opening sequence with Two-Face is still one of my fav Batman sequences onscreen. Mainly talking about BF here, although there are two good ones in B&R that are better than/just as good as the best of the Burton action scenes.
I will say though, that the Schumacher's had the benefit of CG advances and John Dystryka being onboard for the vfx, BF being the first superhero film to utilise a CG 'stuntperson'(in the scene where Batman drops from the Nygmatech building).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ehhhh I find it about as entertaining as watching paint dry. If I watch it now i have to skip to all of Joker's scenes.

Batman is the most uninteresting thing in his own movie. Not good. And I hate a lot of the dialogue. It's just so unnatural and overwrought. Real people don't talk like that. There is barely any prose.I could not agree more.

I still love the movie but I always thought that the dialogue was preachy and unnatural. Nolan's films have very little subtex, his characters just spit out the themes of the film in the most unrealistic way. And not only is Batman the most uninteresting character, Bale is giving the worst performance in the film. It's also a problem that I wanted to cheer when Rachel died because the character is nothing but an annoying mouthpiece/angel on Batman's shoulder.

Honestly, I still love the film and give it a 9 out of 10 but it's no masterpiece.

[kedrell]

Ehhhh I find it about as entertaining as watching paint dry. If I watch it now i have to skip to all of Joker's scenes.

Batman is the most uninteresting thing in his own movie. Not good. And I hate a lot of the dialogue. It's just so unnatural and overwrought. Real people don't talk like that. There is barely any prose.


To me this is par for the course with anything Batman. Except Batman Begins of course which to me is the lone example of his character being interesting in just about any film/cartoon/etc. Probably is why it's the only time I ever liked him.

[SuperFerret]

To me this is par for the course with anything Batman. Except Batman Begins of course which to me is the lone example of his character being interesting in just about any film/cartoon/etc. Probably is why it's the only time I ever liked him.

This, with the exception of the opinion on Begins. I hate it because Bruce is wholly uninteresting and the movie devotes too much time to him.

[Art_of_Crime]

This, with the exception of the opinion on Begins. I hate it because Bruce is wholly uninteresting and the movie devotes too much time to him.

he is the main character.

[Figs]

I'm pretty sure this is an unpopular opinion.

I think after a number of years, I realized I prefer Ang's Hulk over The Incredible Hulk. For some reason I lose interest in the Norton version shortly after the college campus scene. I watched it twice in the theatre, but once I got it on Blu-ray, I don't think I've finished watching the whole thing.

[CelticPredator]

I've seen TIH so many times. I love that movie. I think it's the music and sound design. It's really appealing.

[CelticPredator]

Meh. Captain America has a ton of soul. I love that movie. The ending is pretty good.

I like Thor, but it doesn't have the heart that Cap, or Iron Man had.

[Figs]

Meh. Captain America has a ton of soul. I love that movie. The ending is pretty good.

I like Thor, but it doesn't have the heart that Cap, or Iron Man had.

Thor is probably my second favorite Marvel studios film just under the first Iron Man. Then I would definitely say Cap is third.

Cap definitely had more heart, but Thor and the first IM were some damn fun movies.

[SuperFerret]

he is the main character.

So? He's still boring.

[kedrell]

I'm pretty sure this is an unpopular opinion.

I think after a number of years, I realized I prefer Ang's Hulk over The Incredible Hulk. For some reason I lose interest in the Norton version shortly after the college campus scene. I watched it twice in the theatre, but once I got it on Blu-ray, I don't think I've finished watching the whole thing.

That's safe to say.

I can't even get through AngHulk. Once you get to the part where nanomeds become part of the equation I just want to start throwing things at the screen. Lee and his dumbass ideas. :cmad: But then I consider it(by far) to be the absolute worst superhero movie I have ever seen.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, Figs. Unpopular is an understatement in terms of Ang Lee's Hulk.

I agree Kedrell. It tries to act deeper than most superhero movies, but a lot of the ideas Ang Lee had I don't think worked for the Hulk. This has been said many times, but I feel as though Ang Lee was embarrassed to make a comic book film. There's understanding the source material and transforming a comic book movie into more than it is (the Batman movies), and there's Ang Lee's Hulk, which is simply making a symbolic laden movie, lacking a grasp on the source material that made it great.

[SuperFerret]

What ideas did Ang Lee have that weren't already part of the character? Banner's rage has stemmed from his daddy issues for years before the movie, and the Hulk as his inner child having a temper tantrum isn't new either.

I like Ang Lee's Hulk more each time I see it personally.

[Darkness Falls]

i enjoy the twilight movies

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm pretty sure this is an unpopular opinion.

I think after a number of years, I realized I prefer Ang's Hulk over The Incredible Hulk. For some reason I lose interest in the Norton version shortly after the college campus scene. I watched it twice in the theatre, but once I got it on Blu-ray, I don't think I've finished watching the whole thing.

I still quite enjoy the Norton Hulk, but still say Ang's was much, much better, on all levels.

My UO is that Quantum of Solace was a, at worst- decent- bond film, but far from a bad one.

[gwynplaine]

As flawed as it was, I enjoyed Ang Lee's Hulk much more than TIH. Leterrier is a good technician, but he's not in the same league as Lee.

[gwynplaine]

I still love it. But it's overrated. It's Nolan's worst film. Which is a pretty great thing. :hehe:
It's still my favorite Nolan film (and most probably his best).
Memento is second (another great movie) and then the others I don't really care for:hehe:

[Figs]

With Ang's Hulk, when I first saw it in the theater I was severely disappointed because I was expecting more action and as others have said, more of a fun comic book feel to it.

Like SuperFerret, I also enjoyed it more each time I watched it. I still like Norton's Hulk, but something about it turns me off after awhile.

[gwynplaine]

One of the problems I had with Lee's Hulk was Bana. He's one of my favorite actors in the world but I thought he was really miscast as Banner. Norton was a better choice but I didn't really care for him in TIH. Hopefully, Ruffalo, another great actor, will nail it this time.

[CelticPredator]

As flawed as it was, I enjoyed Ang Lee's Hulk much more than TIH. Leterrier is a good technician, but he's not in the same league as Lee.
Which is why TIH is a better film.

Ang Lee had no business doing a movie like that. I like my Marvel superheroes to be fun and action packed. Not deep. Not enduring. Fun.

Unless the character is incredibly complex.

[CelticPredator]

It's still my favorite Nolan film (and most probably his best).
Memento is second (another great movie) and then the others I don't really care for:hehe:
We've discussed this. But Nolan made too many silly mistakes for TDK. Haters be damned, but they're actually right about some stuff. The whole beginning scene is a mess. So many little details overlooked for no real reason. Joker's hair, lack of blood, faulty effects. And then other little plot holes, dialogue issues...ect.

I still love the flick. And it still has almost the same effect on me. But after watching it so many goddamn times...the problems just glare at ya.

Memento is fantastic, I love Begins, The Prestige is just awesome. And Inception is fun.

[A Necessary Evil]

Which is why TIH is a better film.

Ang Lee had no business doing a movie like that. I like my Marvel superheroes to be fun and action packed. Not deep. Not enduring. Fun.

Unless the character is incredibly complex.

Like the hulk...:huh:

[gwynplaine]

Which is why TIH is a better film.

Ang Lee had no business doing a movie like that. I like my Marvel superheroes to be fun and action packed. Not deep. Not enduring. Fun.

Unless the character is incredibly complex.
Jeckyll and Hyde (Hulk's inspiration) are pretty incredibly complex characters though (in the original Stevenson novel at least.)

We've discussed this. But Nolan made too many silly mistakes for TDK. Haters be damned, but they're actually right about some stuff. The whole beginning scene is a mess. So many little details overlooked for no real reason. Joker's hair, lack of blood, faulty effects. And then other little plot holes, dialogue issues...ect.

I still love the flick. And it still has almost the same effect on me. But after watching it so many goddamn times...the problems just glare at ya.

Memento is fantastic, I love Begins, The Prestige is just awesome. And Inception is fun.
You're right, we've discussed this before. To each its own and no need to go over it again:up:

[CelticPredator]

Yep. And it's not like I hate TDK or anything. I've just seen it so many times. :hehe.

[kedrell]

What ideas did Ang Lee have that weren't already part of the character? Banner's rage has stemmed from his daddy issues for years before the movie, and the Hulk as his inner child having a temper tantrum isn't new either.

I like Ang Lee's Hulk more each time I see it personally.

Hulk is not Banner's inner child throwing a tantrum. Hulk is an alternate personality. We didn't get that(since the Hulk was not allowed to be a person/character - which is a problem both movies share). Yes the AngHulk film touches upon the childhood abuse angle which I as a fan would sincerely hope to see. But the way he went about it, changing things and all....was just non-sensical. It was done better in the comics and the chief problem was that Ang(and Shamus) tried to be smarter than the material but weren't.

Banner's dad being alive(to say nothing of becoming a super powered villain - I won't even get into that) is a much worse choice than having him dead but still alive in Bruce/Hulk's memory...tormenting him and being the one true enemy he can never beat no matter how powerful the Hulk is.

Basically, Ang deviated from the comics(which I can accept when it makes sense eg. Iron Man or Batman Begins or even Spider-man) for no damn good reason.

[Parker Wayne]

We've discussed this. But Nolan made too many silly mistakes for TDK. Haters be damned, but they're actually right about some stuff. The whole beginning scene is a mess. So many little details overlooked for no real reason. Joker's hair, lack of blood, faulty effects. And then other little plot holes, dialogue issues...ect.

I still love the flick. And it still has almost the same effect on me. But after watching it so many goddamn times...the problems just glare at ya.

Memento is fantastic, I love Begins, The Prestige is just awesome. And Inception is fun.

I think that reason's pretty obvious.

[CelticPredator]

I should've elaborated. I ment when the bank teller and everyone in that scene gets shot. Really off IMO.

[Parker Wayne]

Still, I wouldn't really blame that on Nolan. I'd blame the MPAA. TDK was already pretty much tinkering on the border of R to their standards.

[CelticPredator]

That is so bull.

I still dont understand why everyone thinks that. It's so untrue.


Watch Captain America if you want a real PG-13 pusher. That movie was bloody as hell.

And yes, I blame it on Nolan because blood would've sprayed after they were shot. He should've had blood on him.

[Parker Wayne]

With the blood in Captain America, there really wasn't anyone getting shot and killed with blood spatter other than the the first scene with Red Skull. Sure, you had some marks on Cap himself, but blood is actually streaming down his face. If you had blood in the TDK opening, you would've had to keep that continuity for the rest of the movie, thus making it a bloodier movie that would alerted the MPAA.

[CelticPredator]

^ Every time a person is shot, a nice blood squib explodes. It's in every death. Go watch it again.

[Parker Wayne]

I wouldn't call that "bloody as hell" though. I thought you were talking about blood on a bigger level, like in Drive.

[moviedoors]

Still, I wouldn't really blame that on Nolan. I'd blame the MPAA. TDK was already pretty much tinkering on the border of R to their standards.
Too this day, I have to remind my wife that The Dark Knight wasn't rated R.

[moviedoors]

Watch Captain America if you want a real PG-13 pusher. That movie was bloody as hell.

It has some badass moments of violence, but I don't think Captain America went beyond anything we've seen in an Indiana Jones movie. You can't discount tone either. Captain America is fairly light in tone, just like Indy. The Dark Knight is so dark it just feels like a more violent movie. The violence had more weight.

As awesome as that propellor death was, I don't think it was nearly as gruesome as the mere appearance of Two-Face or the "holy ****! did I just see that!" shock of the magic trick.

[Parker Wayne]

I would say tone had a factor but I don't know how much stock the MPAA in tone when determining a movie. I mean, The King's Speech was lighthearted and got slapped with an R-rating for only curse words.

[The Morningstar]

Hulk is not Banner's inner child throwing a tantrum. Hulk is an alternate personality. We didn't get that(since the Hulk was not allowed to be a person/character - which is a problem both movies share). Yes the AngHulk film touches upon the childhood abuse angle which I as a fan would sincerely hope to see. But the way he went about it, changing things and all....was just non-sensical. It was done better in the comics and the chief problem was that Ang(and Shamus) tried to be smarter than the material but weren't.

Banner's dad being alive(to say nothing of becoming a super powered villain - I won't even get into that) is a much worse choice than having him dead but still alive in Bruce/Hulk's memory...tormenting him and being the one true enemy he can never beat no matter how powerful the Hulk is.

Basically, Ang deviated from the comics(which I can accept when it makes sense eg. Iron Man or Batman Begins or even Spider-man) for no damn good reason.

Ang Lee's Hulk does have the Hulk as a seperate character. The scene with the mirrors where it shows Hulk actually resents Banner (PUNY HUMAN!) The scenes with Hulk jumping through the air with an calm, almost childlike look on his face. When he lands at that little spring in the desert and looks at his reflection etc

And as for TDK pushing the pg-13 limit? It didn't even have blood squibs when people got shot. It had... dust squibs? lol

Two Face was pretty gruesome. But The Mummy films did that kind of effect years ago.

[kedrell]

Ang Lee's Hulk does have the Hulk as a seperate character. The scene with the mirrors where it shows Hulk actually resents Banner (PUNY HUMAN!) The scenes with Hulk jumping through the air with an calm, almost childlike look on his face. When he lands at that little spring in the desert and looks at his reflection etc

Frankly I found those measly attempts in the movie to be more insulting than if they had not been there at all. If you're gonna make him a character(which I think is essential to getting this mythos right) then go all the way.

The main reason I think the Letterrier version is immensely superior is that Louis said he was a fan of the TV show and he set out basically to make an adaption of that. And he succeeded, TIH is an excellent adaption of the Bixby TV show(sprinkled with a tiny dash of Ultimate Hulk i.e. the connection made between Hulk & Cap's super soldier project). Granted, I'd have rather him said he was a fan of the comics and tried to make an excellent adaption of that instead but at least he hit the mark he was aiming for. With Lee, I don't know what he wanted to make. Something that was half comics/half TV show that satisfied his artsy tastes. That's about the best I can describe AngHulk's attempt. And the result was just a mess of frankly mind boggling proportions.

[Parker Wayne]

And as for TDK pushing the pg-13 limit? It didn't even have blood squibs when people got shot. It had... dust squibs? lol

Two Face was pretty gruesome. But The Mummy films did that kind of effect years ago.

Tone does affect the perception of a film. Once again, I don't know how much the MPAA takes tone into affect, but the Batman movies are much more grounded in reality and more serious in tone than Captain America and the Mummy films, the aformentioned things in CA and Mummy would feel even more grim and darker in TDK, hence causing a bigger emotional reaction in TDK than in CA and Mummy.

But hell, we're discussing something that's a crap shoot. The MPAA tends to be inconsistent in their ratings anyway.

[Rowsdower!]

I hated Ang Lee's Hulk. Hated Bana (and I usually like him), Connelly bored me, Nolte just played himself and Josh Lucas walked around looking like he'd been possessed by a demon. And that goddamned comic panel thing made me feel like I was on an acid trip. Boring, pretentious, and damn, THAT is a movie with bad dialogue. Good Lord, I hear so many people b**ch up a storm on this board over every movie that comes out for having "cringe-worthy dialogue" and it leaves me wondering just how there can be so many people out there who are expecting Shakespeare from an action movie. But Hulk is one that full of horrible lines. The only redeeming factor to me was Sam Elliott.

Letterier is pretty much a hack director who doesn't even compare to Lee if you're comparing two of any of their other movies. But I liked TIH a hell of a lot better. The story wasn't all that great in TIH, but Norton brought a lot more to Banner, the movie was paced a lot better, and the Hulk didn't look like Shrek on roids.

Just my opinions of course.

[Figs]

Letterier is pretty much a hack director who doesn't even compare to Lee if you're comparing two of any of their other movies. But I liked TIH a hell of a lot better. The story wasn't all that great in TIH, but Norton brought a lot more to Banner, the movie was paced a lot better, and the Hulk didn't look like Shrek on roids.

Just my opinions of course.

That's one thing I definitely preferred out of the two movies, the look of Hulk in TIH.

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, he at least looked threatening. Lee's Hulk looked like... Shrekzenegger.

[spider-neil]

I really like ang lee's hulk but it too philosophical and has next to no action. a really good qoute from a reviewer was 'the people who would enjoy this version of hulk wouldn't be caught dead watching hulk' and I kinda agree with him.

[kedrell]

And that goddamned comic panel thing made me feel like I was on an acid trip. .


Wow, how could I forget one of the single biggest WTF? choices for a movie ever. I know Lee wanted it to resemble a comic book more but that's the kind of thing they should've figured out in early tests that it wouldn't work. It works in comics because you can pause as long as you like to soak it all in. But in a movie that keeps running along? Terrible choice. I kept trying to see what was going on in one panel and missing what was going on in another at the same time.

[CelticPredator]

My opinion on the Hulk it's good movie. But a horrible worthless Hulk movie.

[Rowsdower!]

Wow, how could I forget one of the single biggest WTF? choices for a movie ever. I know Lee wanted it to resemble a comic book more but that's the kind of thing they should've figured out in early tests that it wouldn't work. It works in comics because you can pause as long as you like to soak it all in. But in a movie that keeps running along? Terrible choice. I kept trying to see what was going on in one panel and missing what was going on in another at the same time.

Yeah, people have tried to tell me why they think it's so brilliant, and I guess I admire the effort to some degree, but it simply doesn't work in a movie. And really, it doesn't resemble a comic that much because comic book pages don't feature 12 different angles of the same guy's face. The only movie I've ever seen that did the excessive split sceen thing and it worked (IMO) was The Tracy Fragments. But it suited the concept of the movie because it was all centered around this girl's fractured memories. Plus, I pretty much love anything Ellen Page does (other than X-Men 3).

But yeah, Hulk... that was just bad. Especially the scene towards the end where Josh Lucas blows himself up and everything freezes as he goes flying through the air. That scene always reminded me of Beck's Where It's At video for some reason.

[DyeLorean]

Joel Schumacher also attempted some of that split screen thing in Phone Booth.
That is only useful if there are simultaneous things going on at the same time that, because of the story, you must follow in real time. If not, is just a device, a gimmick, that could've worked in Hulk for some shots, but it was extremely annoying at some point. Specially on repeated viewings.

[Parker Wayne]

I hated Ang Lee's Hulk. Hated Bana (and I usually like him), Connelly bored me, Nolte just played himself and Josh Lucas walked around looking like he'd been possessed by a demon. And that goddamned comic panel thing made me feel like I was on an acid trip. Boring, pretentious, and damn, THAT is a movie with bad dialogue. Good Lord, I hear so many people b**ch up a storm on this board over every movie that comes out for having "cringe-worthy dialogue" and it leaves me wondering just how there can be so many people out there who are expecting Shakespeare from an action movie. But Hulk is one that full of horrible lines. The only redeeming factor to me was Sam Elliott.

Letterier is pretty much a hack director who doesn't even compare to Lee if you're comparing two of any of their other movies. But I liked TIH a hell of a lot better. The story wasn't all that great in TIH, but Norton brought a lot more to Banner, the movie was paced a lot better, and the Hulk didn't look like Shrek on roids.

Just my opinions of course.

I think the look of Hulk in Ang Lee's Hulk has aged even worse.

It's funny. If I imagined that neither had made a Hulk movie and you would ask me which director would make a better Hulk movie, I would have said Ang Lee. :funny:

[Sloth7d]

Joel Schumacher also attempted some of that split screen thing in Phone Booth.
That is only useful if there are simultaneous things going on at the same time that, because of the story, you must follow in real time. If not, is just a device, a gimmick, that could've worked in Hulk for some shots, but it was extremely annoying at some point. Specially on repeated viewings.

This is one of my biggest gripes with the movie. Like Doom's FPS sequence the director feels the need to remind us of the original medium the film started in through direction style.

[gwynplaine]

It seems like it's enjoying some cult status, probably because a lot of people saw as a kid and view the movie through the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia, but I personally still profoundly dislike the bloated mess that is Last Action Hero. But to each its own.

[gwynplaine]

I really love Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 (Raimi's only great films), and I also really dislike Army of Darkness:o.

[Parker Wayne]

Spider-man 2, and Drag Me to Hell :argh:

[gwynplaine]

Spider-man 2, and Drag Me to Hell :argh:
Spider-Man 2 and The Gift. I'll give you that. But I still prefer ED and ED2 though:o:cwink:

[The Navigator]

I really love Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 (Raimi's only great films), and I also really dislike Army of Darkness:o.

As sad as that makes me, I can see why. If they'd kept the tone from ED2, I think it would have worked better for the series.

Spider-man 2, and Drag Me to Hell :argh:

Not even close.

[gwynplaine]

As sad as that makes me, I can see why. If they'd kept the tone from ED2, I think it would have worked better for the series.



Not even close.
:up: Perfect balance between comedy and horror. Probably not easy to achieve though.

[Darkness Falls]

not sure if its a popular or unpopular one, but bride of chucky is my favourite child's play movie after the 1st one and number 2,

the 3rd one and seed of chucky did nothing for me, they have their moments, but overall they don't quite measure up, especially seed

[Parker Wayne]

Not even close.

Oops my mistake. I was thinking Evil Dead 2 but for some reason said Drag Me to Hell.

Those are the ones I thought were great.

[Figs]

I really love Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 (Raimi's only great films), and I also really dislike Army of Darkness:o.

You ever see A Simple Plan? That one wasn't too bad actually.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120324/

[gwynplaine]

You ever see A Simple Plan? That one wasn't too bad actually.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120324/
Good one. I forgot about it. Great performances:up:

[CelticPredator]

Sam Raimi is my favorite director. He has some of the coolest shots of all time.

Also...Army of Darkness >>>> TDK. :D

[Secret Fawful]

I really love Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 (Raimi's only great films), and I also really dislike Army of Darkness:o.

I prefer Equinox to the Evil Dead, especially for Dennis Muren's special effects, but they're both pretty great. I definitely think ED2 is the best in the series, but I still love Army of Darkness for what it is, which is more of an adventure film.

[gwynplaine]

Sam Raimi is my favorite director. He has some of the coolest shots of all time.

Also...Army of Darkness >>>> TDK. :D
Lol:woot:

I prefer Equinox to the Evil Dead, especially for Dennis Muren's special effects, but they're both pretty great. I definitely think ED2 is the best in the series, but I still love Army of Darkness for what it is, which is more of an adventure film.
Not familiar with Equinox, but if Murren's involved it sounds interesting.

[El Payaso]

I really like ang lee's hulk but it too philosophical and has next to no action.

It has more action than TIH. A 25 minute sequence of action is not 'next to no action.' I remember Leterrier promising a "25 minute action sequence" for TIH and it was nowhere to be found in its over-rushed narrative.

And in no case philosophy ruined the movie. TDK has philosophy and it didn't hurt. The problem was that it dragged at some points and that some characters' motivations weren't clear and stayed unclear for a long long time.

[DarkSovereignty]

i think they should have just had his bological father create the physical threat rather than be the actual physical threat. cut out the whole uber poodle scene and instead have daddy banner create the abomination out one of the soldiers enlisted to keep an eye on him. I recently re-watched the ang lee hulk and i actually liked it this time around. there were a few awkward transitions (like when they go from the reveal that bruces mom is pregnant then you just hear her yelling before you know wtf is going on) but overall i liked it. I think if it had been released closer to movies like watchemen and the dark knight it would have been better received (that's not saying it was as good as those other movies, but i think it was more akin to what superhero movies have become since HULK came out, seeing as how before that we had spiderman, which was a very different kind of movie.

[Rowsdower!]

I really love Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 (Raimi's only great films), and I also really dislike Army of Darkness:o.

You know, I've met a lot of people who feel this way. However, I'm the complete opposite. Maybe it was because I saw Army of Darkness first, I don't know. But I could watch AOD anytime; it never gets old to me.

But the first two Evil Dead films I've seen once, maybe twice. I think they're okay horror films for a young director who was just starting out, but they really go nowhere and are kind of boring. Bruce Campbell hadn't really developed into a real actor until after those movies, so not even he makes them interesting. I just got tired of scene after scene of Bruce screaming and getting knocked around a house. To me, it's about as entertaining as a backyard wrestling video.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I'm sure the new Sherlock Holmes movie will be as entertaining as the previous one, and even though they're doing a Moriarty story, I would have been just fine had this movie never been made.

[DarthDaveBanner]

It has more action than TIH. A 25 minute sequence of action is not 'next to no action.' I remember Leterrier promising a "25 minute action sequence" for TIH and it was nowhere to be found in its over-rushed narrative.

And in no case philosophy ruined the movie. TDK has philosophy and it didn't hurt. The problem was that it dragged at some points and that some characters' motivations weren't clear and stayed unclear for a long long time.

I know right? Its fine if you don't like the movie but criticising it for having not much action is just not true.

I don't know how unpopular this is....but I think Beneath the Planet of the Apes is the best of the series.

[The Morningstar]

Ang Lee's Hulk has one of the best action scenes of any comic book movie ever. So this talk of not enough action, or the action wasn't good enough, is nonsense.

[DyeLorean]

Ang Lee's Hulk has one of the best action scenes of any comic book movie ever. So this talk of not enough action, or the action wasn't good enough, is nonsense.
Which one are you referring to?

[Art_of_Crime]

The incredibles is one of the most enjoyable superhero movies.

[The Navigator]

The Incredibles was a better Watchmen than Watchmen was.

[DyeLorean]

The incredibles is one of the most enjoyable superhero movies.

That's not an unpopular opinion!
The Incredibles is great.

[Secret Fawful]

Lol:woot:


Not familiar with Equinox, but if Murren's involved it sounds interesting.

It's kind of a precursor to Evil Dead, in that it shares a lot of similarities in plot, camera angles, shots, ideas, etc.

Evil Dead is much more polished than Equinox but Equinox is still a pretty great film for what it is. Raimi himself acknowledged the similarities his film had with Equinox and changed some things in the movie to lower the similarities a bit....but he didn't quite succeed.

[kedrell]

That's not an unpopular opinion!
The Incredibles is great.

Exactly.

[gwynplaine]

The Incredibles was a better Watchmen than Watchmen was.
True. And Repulsion was a better Black Swan than Black Swan was.

It's kind of a precursor to Evil Dead, in that it shares a lot of similarities in plot, camera angles, shots, ideas, etc.

Evil Dead is much more polished than Equinox but Equinox is still a pretty great film for what it is. Raimi himself acknowledged the similarities his film had with Equinox and changed some things in the movie to lower the similarities a bit....but he didn't quite succeed.
Thanks for the info, I will look it up.
Still a big fan of ED and ED2 though. AOD, not so much.

[DyeLorean]

The Incredibles was a better Watchmen than Watchmen was.

I like to see Incredibles as the Fantastic Four movie that could've been, done correctly.

[The Navigator]

I like to see Incredibles as the Fantastic Four movie that could've been, done correctly.

Every Fantastic Four movie needs Coach and Samuel L. Jackson. :up:

[El Payaso]

The incredibles is one of the most enjoyable superhero movies.

The incredibles is one of the most enjoyable superhero parody movies.

[gwynplaine]

Every Fantastic Four movie needs Coach and Samuel L. Jackson. :up:
I wish Pixar would do a Frozone movie.

[CelticPredator]

Ang Lee's Hulk has one of the best action scenes of any comic book movie ever. So this talk of not enough action, or the action wasn't good enough, is nonsense.

Meh. Spider-Man 3 has cooler action scenes. It's an alright scene...but Captain America, Spider-Man 1, 2, X-Men First Class, X-2, Iron Man all had more entertaining action.

Hulk was just too bland in the fun department to be enjoyable. I don't hate the movie...but i'll never love it because it's so unnessesaryly not fun.

[moviedoors]

Not familiar with Equinox, but if Murren's involved it sounds interesting.

If you know Murren's name, then yeah, you need to see Equinox. The plot is kind of whatever, but as a showcase for some barely-not-kids/future-special-effects-legends showcase, it's a must see. Criterion put out a great addition a few years back loaded with awesome extras.

[El Payaso]

Meh. Spider-Man 3 has cooler action scenes. It's an alright scene...but Captain America, Spider-Man 1, 2, X-Men First Class, X-2, Iron Man all had more entertaining action.

Hulk was just too bland in the fun department to be enjoyable. I don't hate the movie...but i'll never love it because it's so unnessesaryly not fun.

From the movies you mention merely SM2 can compete. Sure the others have good fun in the action scenes but in Hulk it was not only the 'cool' factor what's in it. Now I haven't seen Capt. America yet so I couldn't say anything about it.

[gwynplaine]

If you know Murren's name, then yeah, you need to see Equinox. The plot is kind of whatever, but as a showcase for some barely-not-kids/future-special-effects-legends showcase, it's a must see. Criterion put out a great addition a few years back loaded with awesome extras.
Thanks. I will definitely look it up:up:

[Parker Wayne]

From the movies you mention merely SM2 can compete. Sure the others have good fun in the action scenes but in Hulk it was not only the 'cool' factor what's in it. Now I haven't seen Capt. America yet so I couldn't say anything about it.

XM first class and Iron Man definitely can compete.

[Majik1387]

SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.

[DyeLorean]

SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.

Oh no, you didn't! :wow:


Ah, it's the unpopular opinion topic. Nevermind.

[Eddie Dean]

I guess you don't like Steve Ditko.

[cloverfan98]

Ang Lee's Hulk has one of the best action scenes of any comic book movie ever. So this talk of not enough action, or the action wasn't good enough, is nonsense.

I don't know if they are some of the BEST action scenes ever, but I do agree with you as I've never understood the people who claimed Hulk had no action. The action scenes were awesome. I love HULK.

[gwynplaine]

Based on the 1st film and the new trailer which looks like more of the same thing, I'm not too eager to see Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows, or whatever it's called.

[El Payaso]

XM first class and Iron Man definitely can compete.

Iron Man was the better movie (better than Hulk I mean). But what action can compete? That average last confrontation? Certainly not.



SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.

It is exactly one of those things as it is maybe THE best action scene of the genre. And then you have Octopus, the scene where Peter confess his blame to Aunt May etc. The humour? That was what ruined part of the movie. Yes, that usher who's Raimi's personal friend included.

[moviedoors]

Based on the 1st film and the new trailer which looks like more of the same thing, I'm not too eager to see Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows, or whatever it's called.

Yeah, ditto.

[Darkness Falls]

superman returns is a interesting character study
we get to see superman and the entire world around him adapt from having him always there, to a long absence to finally returning after his absence, though some things stayed the same, alot changed

for that reason i enjoy it, the lack of action/superman's son doesn't bother me anymore

[The Morningstar]

The Long Good Friday is the best gangster movie ever. And this is one of the best endings to a movie ever.

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[Eddie Dean]

And one of the greatest main themes ever. :up:

[kedrell]

SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.

While I don't comprehend at least half the praise that film receives around here and found it to be pretty mediocre on the whole, I can't call it a bad movie. But it sure ain't a great one.

[CelticPredator]

SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.
This is wrong. Period.

Especially when movies like Wolverine, X3, Fantastic Four (both of them), Ghost Rider, Blade 3, Spider-Man 3, and Wolverine exist. :o

It's overrated. But any bad or iffy part about Spidey 2, is better then any scene from those pieces of **** above.

[The Morningstar]

And one of the greatest main themes ever. :up:

Indeed. Amazing score.

[Majik1387]

This is wrong. Period.

Especially when movies like Wolverine, X3, Fantastic Four (both of them), Ghost Rider, Blade 3, Spider-Man 3,and Wolverine exist. :o

It's overrated. But any bad or iffy part about Spidey 2, is better then any scene from those pieces of **** above.
I would watch the bold over SM2 any day.

[Eddie Dean]

Crazy. SM2 is a Ditko comic brought to life.

[kedrell]

Crazy. SM2 is a Ditko comic brought to life.

IMO it would have been a better fit tonally if it had been set in the 1960's. Then the Raimi cheese would have fit a bit better.

[Parker Wayne]

I would watch the bold over SM2 any day.

I'm just glad you didn't say Wolverine. :funny:

[Art_of_Crime]

SM2 is one of the worst superhero movies put to screen; there was little to no redemption about it, and the bank to train scene is not one of those things.

Holy **** on a stick. I thought I was the only person on the planet that disliked that movie. I wanted to walk out, but I hung in, I kept telling myself, "it has to get better, it just has to. They must be building up to some kind of payoff to make up for all of this BS."

[gwynplaine]

The Long Good Friday is the best gangster movie ever. And this is one of the best endings to a movie ever.

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Great film:up:
But the best gangster movie ever is actually "White Heat." Fact:woot:

[gwynplaine]

Crazy. SM2 is a Ditko comic brought to life.
I want to see Ditko's Dr. Strange brought to life.

[gwynplaine]

IMO it would have been a better fit tonally if it had been set in the 1960's. Then the Raimi cheese would have fit a bit better.
There is no room for Raimi cheese actually, in any decades.
(Sorry, 3 posts)

[CelticPredator]

Well, you're wrong too.

Raimi's cheese is like the greatest kind of cheese. Raimi is one of the only directors that can get away with cheesey, and not have it so forced.

Oh yeah. PERIOD. END OF STORY. :D

[Max J Power]

You know, I've met a lot of people who feel this way. However, I'm the complete opposite. Maybe it was because I saw Army of Darkness first, I don't know. But I could watch AOD anytime; it never gets old to me.

But the first two Evil Dead films I've seen once, maybe twice. I think they're okay horror films for a young director who was just starting out, but they really go nowhere and are kind of boring. Bruce Campbell hadn't really developed into a real actor until after those movies, so not even he makes them interesting. I just got tired of scene after scene of Bruce screaming and getting knocked around a house. To me, it's about as entertaining as a backyard wrestling video.
Army of Darkness is also my favorite of the three, but Evil Dead II is really close. I agree with you about the first Evil Dead though. I only found it funny because of its low-budget effects, whereas the other two actually had great jokes. I admire Raimi's filmmaking skills with that movie, but it's not something I feel compelled to watch again.

Related Unpopular Opinion: Drag Me to Hell was better than Evil Dead I.

[DarkSovereignty]

eh, i think the first evil dead is easily the weakest. Sam hadn't really hit his stride yet, as it was more of a straight-forward horror flick that took itself relatively seriously, or at least by my interpretation. by the sequel he started to lean towards the horror comedy shtick and it worked.

[CelticPredator]

Drag Me To Hell is the best horror movie in the last 5 years.

[A Necessary Evil]

DMTH was like, the only good horror movie in the last 5 years, Fright Night (YMMV) and Zombieland non-withstanding.

[Max J Power]

eh, i think the first evil dead is easily the weakest. Sam hadn't really hit his stride yet, as it was more of a straight-forward horror flick that took itself relatively seriously, or at least by my interpretation. by the sequel he started to lean towards the horror comedy shtick and it worked.
Also, Ash wasn't a badass until the second one. That helped.

[CelticPredator]

DMTH was like, the only good horror movie in the last 5 years, Fright Night (YMMV) and Zombieland non-withstanding.

Fright Night was good. Not great. But good.

And I don't really count Zombieland as a horror. It's a action comedy. :awesome:

[moviedoors]

And I don't really count Zombieland as a horror. It's a action comedy. :awesome:

Yeah, I love Zombieland to death, but it's certainly not a horror movie.

[CelticPredator]

I'm just playing semtetics. But yeah. Drag Me To Hell had some pretty good creepy scenes, AND it made me laugh. AND was pretty fun.

[moviedoors]

I'm just playing semtetics. But yeah. Drag Me To Hell had some pretty good creepy scenes, AND it made me laugh. AND was pretty fun.

I agree there too. I laughed and had a blast with that movie, and I was genuinely creeped out by the ending. That was harsh.

[kedrell]

Well, you're wrong too.

Raimi's cheese is like the greatest kind of cheese. Raimi is one of the only directors that can get away with cheesey, and not have it so forced.

Oh yeah. PERIOD. END OF STORY. :D


Well agree to disagree on that one then. His type of cheese is the #1 reason I don't much care for him as a director. It's akward and makes me cringe when I see it. Like some dork who thinks he's so sure what is cool and funny and just barrels ahead totally convinced he's right when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. It's painful to watch.

[Figs]

Well agree to disagree on that one then. His type of cheese is the #1 reason I don't much care for him as a director. It's akward and makes me cringe when I see it. Like some dork who thinks he's so sure what is cool and funny and just barrels ahead totally convinced he's right when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. It's painful to watch.

As much as I love Raimi, the one movie that his cheese didn't belong in was The Quick and The Dead. That had a great ****ing cast, but some of his cheese got in the way. Kind of like Spider-Man. I love the first two Spider-Man films, but some of the cheese was unnecessary.

[Secret Fawful]

Huh. I love all of the movies mentioned. Especially for the Raimi cheese. Stuff like being able to see through a bullethole or watching Spidey swinging across the city turn into a reflection in Doc Ock's sunglasses. I enjoy that stuff. Also, didn't Raimi do Darkman? I can't fault Darkman. It's a loving homage to my favorite superhero of all time, The Shadow.

[CelticPredator]

That's the only Western I can stand. 95% of all Westerns are so boring visually. I can never get into them.

And Spider-Man is the cheesest character of all time. I think making him a mopy whiny ***** in this new one is a mistake. He spits out horrible wreched one liners like no other.

[CelticPredator]

Darkman is one of the better hero flicks out there. AND original! Why isn't there more original hero flicks?

[gwynplaine]

Huh. I love all of the movies mentioned. Especially for the Raimi cheese. Stuff like being able to see through a bullethole or watching Spidey swinging across the city turn into a reflection in Doc Ock's sunglasses. I enjoy that stuff. Also, didn't Raimi do Darkman? I can't fault Darkman. It's a loving homage to my favorite superhero of all time, The Shadow.
I don't think that's cheese, more like cool shots.
Also DMTH was a pretty bad film (certainly not the best horror film of the last 5 years:o)

[Secret Fawful]

That's the only Western I can stand. 95% of all Westerns are so boring visually. I can never get into them.

And Spider-Man is the cheesest character of all time. I think making him a mopy whiny ***** in this new one is a mistake. He spits out horrible wreched one liners like no other.

He didn't do that in Raimi's films really either.

[gwynplaine]

And Darkman was a pretty bad film too. Not on a par with ED and ED2. I hope that's unpopular:woot:.

[gwynplaine]

That's the only Western I can stand. 95% of all Westerns are so boring visually. I can never get into them.

And Spider-Man is the cheesest character of all time. I think making him a mopy whiny ***** in this new one is a mistake. He spits out horrible wreched one liners like no other.
Your loss:woot:

[CelticPredator]

Wow. I'm about 2 posts from putting you on my ignore list. :o

Darkman is how you do a hero flick. Not TDK. :D

But seriously...it is. I there were more Darkmans, then Avengers.

[gwynplaine]

Wow. I'm about 2 posts from putting you on my ignore list. :o

Darkman is how you do a hero flick. Not TDK. :D

But seriously...it is. I there were more Darkmans, then Avengers.
OK:woot:

[CelticPredator]

Your loss:woot:
Not really. They're so boring. Dust. Cows. Wide angle gun shots.

Meh.

I like Tombstone though. Good flick. Kurt Russell is a good ghost director.

[CelticPredator]

OK:woot:
You must've missed the..."but seriously". :o

[gwynplaine]

Not really. They're so boring. Dust. Cows. Wide angle gun shots.

Meh.

I like Tombstone though. Good flick. Kurt Russell is a good ghost director.
Maybe you should watch more westerns before you pronounce yourself on a whole genre.
Anyway, 2 posts. Am I on your ignore list yet?:woot::cwink:

[gwynplaine]

You must've missed the..."but seriously". :o
I did miss it:yay::up:.

[Secret Fawful]

Not really. They're so boring. Dust. Cows. Wide angle gun shots.

Man, I disagree so hard. Sergio Leone and John Ford created some of the most visually interesting films that have ever existed. I disagree on Darkman too, but that's fine.

[CelticPredator]

They just don't get to me though. They have to be visually interesting for me to watch them. I'm just not into that time period in any way what so ever.

I might give the Eastwood flicks a try...but none of the John Wayne one's i've seen really sucked me in.

[CelticPredator]

Man, I disagree so hard. Sergio Leone and John Ford created some of the most visually interesting films that have ever existed. I disagree on Darkman too, but that's fine.
Semtetics again...but I did not say Spegetti Westerns. :awesome:

I just haven't been impressed. Maybe i've seen the wrong ones. I saw Chisum a while back. Meh.

And how anyone can dislike Darkman is beyond me. I can see this statement getting turned around...but on a Superhero forum, Darkman should be like, the best one. It's got everything modern Hero flicks have...only thing it does better is, it's actually original.

The entire Western Genre just ain't my bag. :D

[gwynplaine]

Rio Bravo and The Searchers are great films. Give them a try if you ever have some time.

[Secret Fawful]

All of Sergio Leone's films. Eastwood isn't even the most interesting thing about them. Now there's an unpopular opinion for you.

[moviedoors]

but none of the John Wayne one's i've seen really sucked me in.

The Searchers, Rio Bravo, True Grit, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. That's all the Wayne you need. Those are just badass films.

[CelticPredator]

Hm. Then I will give those a shot. Perhaps I was wrong. But it just seemed like whenever a Western would show up on TV, it would always be the same.

I saw one...I can't even remember the name, or where I saw it...where a man comes to town, and there's a hooker, and she gets shot or something. And the man goes after the one's who did it....

It's so wierd. I have no idea what this movie is. Or who was in it. I just remember parts. Visually. There's a big fight at the end, in the dark....lots of blue lighting.

I'm rambling. I want to know what this is.

[gwynplaine]

The Searchers, Rio Bravo, True Grit, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. That's all the Wayne you need. Those are just badass films.
:up:
If I may, I would like to add The Shootist to that perfect list.

[Schlosser85]

My unpopular opinion...John Wayne was a one-note actor with absolutely zero range.

[CelticPredator]

That's a popular opinion.

[gwynplaine]

Hm. Then I will give those a shot. Perhaps I was wrong. But it just seemed like whenever a Western would show up on TV, it would always be the same.

I saw one...I can't even remember the name, or where I saw it...where a man comes to town, and there's a hooker, and she gets shot or something. And the man goes after the one's who did it....

It's so wierd. I have no idea what this movie is. Or who was in it. I just remember parts. Visually. There's a big fight at the end, in the dark....lots of blue lighting.

I'm rambling. I want to know what this is.
:up:

[Secret Fawful]

Hm. Then I will give those a shot. Perhaps I was wrong. But it just seemed like whenever a Western would show up on TV, it would always be the same.

I saw one...I can't even remember the name, or where I saw it...where a man comes to town, and there's a hooker, and she gets shot or something. And the man goes after the one's who did it....

It's so wierd. I have no idea what this movie is. Or who was in it. I just remember parts. Visually. There's a big fight at the end, in the dark....lots of blue lighting.

I'm rambling. I want to know what this is.

Oh lord that sounds like utter turd.

[moviedoors]

:up:
If I may, I would like to add The Shootist to that perfect list.

And I'll add El Dorado.

[CelticPredator]

I think it was good. There's a scene in a bar. God i'm being so vauge with these things. I'm looking at every Western ever made. Haha. I have to find it now.

[gwynplaine]

And I'll add El Dorado.
Good one:up:.

[CelticPredator]

I think it was Unforgiven. I mustve watched it while doing something else. The plot seems like what I thought it was about.

[moviedoors]

I'm leaning towards Unforgiven as well.

"You just shot an unarmed man."

"He should have armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend."

[Rowsdower!]

Army of Darkness is also my favorite of the three, but Evil Dead II is really close. I agree with you about the first Evil Dead though. I only found it funny because of its low-budget effects, whereas the other two actually had great jokes. I admire Raimi's filmmaking skills with that movie, but it's not something I feel compelled to watch again.

Related Unpopular Opinion: Drag Me to Hell was better than Evil Dead I.

Heh, I'll see your unpopular Raimi opinion and raise you one: I thought Drag Me to Hell was an overrated pile of crap. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble or be a smartass about it, but I sat there in the theater watching that movie and I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why so many people loved it. Bad acting, bad writing, cliche everything (and not in that tongue-in-cheek way, but in that we-couldn't-think-of-anything-better way). I guess it was supposed to be funny but I didn't laugh at anything; I just found the whole thing really stupid.

I guess I'm not that into gross-out humor, I don't know. But I really can't say I understand when people say it's the best horror movie in 10 years. I thought the point of a horror movie was to be scary or ironically funny but I'm sorry, a talking goat and some bad CGI just don't cut it for me. I just sat there feeling my IQ points drop. If I want to watch a good gruesome horror film, I'll watch something like Inside.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i enjoy the twilight moviesI do too and all that money that Summit is making proves that a lot of other people enjoy the flicks as well.

[kedrell]

That's the only Western I can stand. 95% of all Westerns are so boring visually. I can never get into them.

And Spider-Man is the cheesest character of all time. I think making him a mopy whiny ***** in this new one is a mistake. He spits out horrible wreched one liners like no other.


I don't think so. I wouldn't even call him cheesy. I'd say he's more goofy/silly than anything. A wise-ass. But in the comics his humor actually IS funny. Cheesy to me is attempting humor but not actually being funny(but you think you are). Or having standard human behavior be just off-key to the point that reactions don't seem genuine. The Raimi movies are full of that. Mostly from many of the extras in those films(Go, Spidey! Go!:barf:). This is one point the Nostalgia Critic hit on the nose. And for all I know, Raimi actually believes people behave that way. Then there's also the part where Maguire can't do comedy to save his life(from everything I've seen of him at least).

[Number 6]

I only watched the first film, and didn't care for it all that much, but the scathing hate the franchise gets seems like way too much to me (In regards to Twilight).

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

All of Sergio Leone's films. Eastwood isn't even the most interesting thing about them. Now there's an unpopular opinion for you.
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly has what's probably my favorite final line of a movie. Wallach :awesome:

[A Necessary Evil]

Fright Night was good. Not great. But good.

And I don't really count Zombieland as a horror. It's a action comedy. :awesome:

Oh, I loved fright night. I just meant some might put it in the horror-comedy or just plain horror genre.

[El Payaso]

Well, you're wrong too.

Raimi's cheese is like the greatest kind of cheese. Raimi is one of the only directors that can get away with cheesey, and not have it so forced.

Oh yeah. PERIOD. END OF STORY. :D

Movie cheese, just as with any cheese, is a matter of timing and how to dose it. I remember AOD and it was good. And sometimes it works. But normally in the Spiderman movies it just kills everything and it just turned out as some cheese overdose. Apparently Raimi thought 'if it's good for this, it'll be good for everything.' That way he could just rest and stop thinking of other more difficult ways to deal with the movie's themes.

Darkman is one of the better hero flicks out there. AND original! Why isn't there more original hero flicks?

You mean original characters? I guess because they want to take risks with popular heroes instead of bombing with unknown ones.

But I loved Darkman. I haven't seen it in more than 10 years but I remember in 1992 I saw it a lot of times. I was so excited when I found out Darkman's director was to direct Spiderman.

[the amazing fro]

I hate every single Bond movie (with the exception of Casino Royale). Especially the Sean Connery ones.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Walking Dead is a terrible show. Good FX does not make up for the terrible acting and writing.

Not a film but what the hell.

[CelticPredator]

^ I would've agreed with you, had it not have been for the last few episodes.

But I don't think it's the fantastic OMG SO GOOD thing that everyone is creaming their pants for. It's OK.

[CelticPredator]

Heh, I'll see your unpopular Raimi opinion and raise you one: I thought Drag Me to Hell was an overrated pile of crap. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble or be a smartass about it, but I sat there in the theater watching that movie and I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why so many people loved it. Bad acting, bad writing, cliche everything (and not in that tongue-in-cheek way, but in that we-couldn't-think-of-anything-better way). I guess it was supposed to be funny but I didn't laugh at anything; I just found the whole thing really stupid.

I guess I'm not that into gross-out humor, I don't know. But I really can't say I understand when people say it's the best horror movie in 10 years. I thought the point of a horror movie was to be scary or ironically funny but I'm sorry, a talking goat and some bad CGI just don't cut it for me. I just sat there feeling my IQ points drop. If I want to watch a good gruesome horror film, I'll watch something like Inside.

It was all done on purpose.

It's like if you saw Grindhouse, and rated it on it's dialoge, and acting...when the entire thing is supposed to suck. That's the point.

This movie was SUPPOSED to be funny. It was SUPPOSED to be cheesy. You were SUPPOSED to go Oh ha ha ha, how silly.

I think Horror films today are trash. Horror should be a genre where you have FUN. Even if you're scared. You should come out going "Wow, what a ride."

Movies like Inside, or Mayters are just blah. It's not fun. It's not entertainment. It's just gross.

[Parker Wayne]

All of Sergio Leone's films. Eastwood isn't even the most interesting thing about them. Now there's an unpopular opinion for you.

I agree with you on The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, and a few Dollars More, but Eastwood is in A Fistful of Dollars.

Also, All of Leone's films are amazing, except for Colossus. I don't care for Colossus.

That's the only Western I can stand. 95% of all Westerns are so boring visually. I can never get into them.

To quote you: Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong. :o

Those wide angle tumbleweed shots are beautiful. :oldrazz:


And Spider-Man is the cheesest character of all time.

Have you read comics or watched movies? He's not even in the top 100 for cheesy characters.


I hate every single Bond movie (with the exception of Casino Royale). Especially the Sean Connery ones.

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[Rowsdower!]

It was all done on purpose.

It's like if you saw Grindhouse, and rated it on it's dialoge, and acting...when the entire thing is supposed to suck. That's the point.

This movie was SUPPOSED to be funny. It was SUPPOSED to be cheesy. You were SUPPOSED to go Oh ha ha ha, how silly.

I think Horror films today are trash. Horror should be a genre where you have FUN. Even if you're scared. You should come out going "Wow, what a ride."

Movies like Inside, or Mayters are just blah. It's not fun. It's not entertainment. It's just gross.

I get all that, but the problem was, I laughed at Grindhouse because it WAS funny. DMTH, in my opinion, was just dumb. But maybe my sense of humor has all but died off, lol.

And I would disagree that Inside and Martyrs are not entertainment. From an artistic standpoint, I find both of those films brilliant. Well acted, well written and directed, and not predictable in the least. It takes a LOT for a horror film to scare me or freak me out anymore, and both of those films managed to pull that off.

[Rowsdower!]

The Walking Dead is a terrible show. Good FX does not make up for the terrible acting and writing.

Not a film but what the hell.

Not really sure how you can say the acting is terrible. Some of the secondary actors aren't the best, but I think the actors who play the central characters are all very strong, especially Rick, Laurie and Shane. Their internal conflicts are what drives the show, IMO. If I didn't find them so engaging, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it because I generally hate zombie horror.

To each his (or her) own, though.

[A Necessary Evil]

i hate every single bond movie (with the exception of casino royale). Especially the sean connery ones.

wwwaaaattt

[CelticPredator]

I get all that, but the problem was, I laughed at Grindhouse because it WAS funny. DMTH, in my opinion, was just dumb. But maybe my sense of humor has all but died off, lol.

And I would disagree that Inside and Martyrs are not entertainment. From an artistic standpoint, I find both of those films brilliant. Well acted, well written and directed, and not predictable in the least. It takes a LOT for a horror film to scare me or freak me out anymore, and both of those films managed to pull that off.

Not much scares me. Deformed babies or Alien Greys usually do the trick....but I like horror flicks that are fun. Just my opinion.

Saw 2-7 were not fun films. Souless, pointless crapholes IMO.

[CelticPredator]

Have you read comics or watched movies? He's not even in the top 100 for cheesy characters.




I read one. All he did was say things in the vain of "HERE'S YOUR CHANGE!" except worse.


I don't read comics really.

[Rowsdower!]

Not much scares me. Deformed babies or Alien Greys usually do the trick....but I like horror flicks that are fun. Just my opinion.

Saw 2-7 were not fun films. Souless, pointless crapholes IMO.

Yep, can't argue with that one. Why didn't I stop watching after the first movie? :doh:

[CelticPredator]

I think the first was pretty fun. They did make it serious, but had some comedy, and played with the whole WHO IS IT THING.

I like that movie. Still do.

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I'm a fan of the first one too. I actually think it's one of the best serial killer films of the 2000s. But I should have known that they couldn't capture the essence of the original in a sequel.