Glee Episode V: The Sylvester Strikes Back - Part 7

[Schlosser85]

I hope not. There's something really creepy about Beth's teenage father having sex with her forty-something adopted mother.

[Mogwai]

Yeah, i hope they don't go there.

[John Locke]

I hope not. There's something really creepy about Beth's teenage father having sex with her forty-something adopted mother.
Not to mention that the teenager father made out with Beth's adopted mother's biological daughter, twice.

[Sawyer]

It would be such a nice little family. :awesome:

[Schlosser85]

And Mr. Schue made out with Shelby....and Rachel once had a crush on Schue.

I'm not sure what Freud would say about that, but he surely would have said something.

[Specter313]

All I'm saying is it's about damn time. On November 15, Glee will finally reveal why Sue Sylvester (Jane Lynch) hates musical theater. As the kids prepare to stage West Side Story, "we wanted to show that Sue at one point had Broadway dreams," teases exec producer Ian Brennan.

A flashback shows 16-year-old Sue on stage belting out the title song from Oklahoma!, a performance savaged by one brutal critic. "Her little heart was broken," sighs Jane. "Will tells Sue, 'Poor little Susie Sylvester was told she wasn't good, and now she's got to punish the world.' Like a lot of angry people out there, Sue's a wannabe."

Glee cast 19-year-old Colby Minifie for the part of young Sue. "I think they did a terrific job casting," raves Jane. "She has a great voice and energy."

Also coming up is the election of the students' class president, which coincides with Sue's congressional bid. "People are voting for both elections in the school, with signs pointing voters in different directions," says Ian, who promises that the final results take "a very surprising twist."

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Sue-Origins-1039162.aspx

[JustABill]

I don't hate it, but it's really something that should happened in season 2 before Jean died.

[Sawyer]

Yeah, this really isn't something that should've taken three seasons to find out.

[Primal Slayer]

Meet GrandMama Lopez. They are also using part of the AHS set for Santanas house.
http://i.imgur.com/9k4B7.png

[Sawyer]

Maybe the Rubberman is Santana's dad. :awesome:

[Primal Slayer]

That would explain so much! And apparently Figgins wants to suspend Santana for the the slap heard around the world. He turned a blind eye it seemed every other time Santana fought someone.

[Schlosser85]

Isn't the Sue thing basically Bryan Ryan 2.0?

"I used to love show choir until I failed at it, so now I want to "save" kids from it?"

The writers don't know what to do with Sue, and less so every season. They've alluded to her actually trying to do what she thinks is best for schoolchildren in her own warped, misguided way before, like in the Season 1 finale and the Rocky Horror episode, and if they'd consistently portrayed her from that angle, she could be a more consistent and three-dimensional character, but then they also have her do cartoonish villain crap like throwing people down stairs, trying to fire Brittany out of a cannon, and trying to send New Directions to Libya.

Either she's on a misguided mission to do what she thinks is best for education, or she's a cartoon evildoer. They try to have it both ways, and it doesn't work.

[Sawyer]

Jane is really the only thing that is keeping me from wishing they would just write Sue out of the show. She's consistently bringing her A-game, but the writers have no clue what to do with Sue.

At least they still give her good one-liners. :o:csad:

[Schlosser85]

Same. She was so good in Funeral.

[Sawyer]

The writers really just need to make up their mind with her. Hero or villain. They can't just keep switching off depending on what week it is. Obviously, she'll never be the type of hero that Will or Emma are. But she can be a character that firmly has their back, but isn't afraid to bust balls every once in a while. Her continually going from "The Glee club is my friend!" to "I'm going to destroy your little club and wreck your livelihood, William" and then back again is just pissing people off.

[Schlosser85]

Sue has three modes.

"In my own warped, misguided way, I actually do care about the kids and education and am doing what I feel is best for them. High school is a dry run for the rest of your life."

"I'm done going after glee club. I may not like Will Schuester, but I respect the work he puts into his students."

"I will not rest until the choir room is razed to the ground, the glee kids have been arrested and executed by armed Libyan militants, and Will Schuester is locked in a mental institution! Also, Brittany, into the cannon!"

The problem is, #1 and #3 just don't jive, and they periodically have her switch to #2 but then revert back to #3 as if #2 never happened.

[Schlosser85]

Granted, Sue is not the only character who switches personalities based on the episode's "theme".

Sam had (has?) two modes:

#1- stereotypical dumb jock obsessed with his popularity and body image

#2- sweetly awkward dork who speaks Na'vi and does celebrity impressions

Blaine has maybe three modes:

#1- cool, collected, self-assured, and relatively straight-acting and non-stereotypical gay mentor figure

#2- fumbling clueless nitwit who is shaken into a full-on identity crisis by a drunk spin the bottle kiss with a girl and doesn't know who the hell he is or what he wants

#3- (this "third Blaine" has suddenly appeared in Season 3) a kind of fun but kind of dorky, and also flamboyantly gay guy who wears huge pink bowties and blazing red pants. Basically, the closest of any the three Blaines to Darren Criss himself (minus the flamboyantly gay part, since Darren Criss isn't actually a flamboyantly gay man, he just seems like one)

[Schlosser85]

Colfer and Darren's Halloween costumes (dunno who, if anyone, Amy Winehouse Man is):

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwj98c7TS1qfh37ho1_500.png

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwit97ZCD1qfh37ho2_500.png

[Pink Ranger]

Colfer and Darren's Halloween costumes (dunno who, if anyone, Amy Winehouse Man is):


Geez, is it too soon to dress like her?

[Sawyer]

Granted, Sue is not the only character who switches personalities based on the episode's "theme".

Sam had (has?) two modes:

#1- stereotypical dumb jock obsessed with his popularity and body image

#2- sweetly awkward dork who speaks Na'vi and does celebrity impressions

Blaine has maybe three modes:

#1- cool, collected, self-assured, and relatively straight-acting and non-stereotypical gay mentor figure

#2- fumbling clueless nitwit who is shaken into a full-on identity crisis by a drunk spin the bottle kiss with a girl and doesn't know who the hell he is or what he wants

#3- (this "third Blaine" has suddenly appeared in Season 3) a kind of fun but kind of dorky, and also flamboyantly gay guy who wears huge pink bowties and blazing red pants. Basically, the closest of any the three Blaines to Darren Criss himself (minus the flamboyantly gay part, since Darren Criss isn't actually a flamboyantly gay man, he just seems like one)

Luckily, they've limited Finn to one mode....

"Sam, get away from the girl I stole from you! No, Rachel, I don't care that I broke up with you only to take up with my ex that openly lied to me about being pregnant with someone elses child. But don't you see how wrong it is to bring Jesse St. James to our prom?! What's wrong with you? Blaine, I hate to break this to you, but this is New Directions, not The Blaine Anderson show. Don't be a ball-hog. Artie, you suck at walking!"

Okay, I made up that last one, but its only a matter of time before he goes there. :o

[Schlosser85]

In other words, go off on fits of righteous indignation to everyone around him for things that he does?

[Schlosser85]

Mercedes just kind of idles 85% of the time, and then her diva engine gets revved up for an episode or so before she settles back down again.

[Schlosser85]

Not to mention the selective stupidity of Brittany, Finn, and to a point Blaine and Will. They're bumbling and clueless when it serves some plot purpose to be, and at other times they have leaps of emotional insight.

[Sawyer]

In other words, go off on fits of righteous indignation to everyone around him for things that he does?
Pretty much.

They've taken him past the point of no return IMO. Even with some of the crap he pulled in season one and the first half of season two (flipping out on Kurt, for one), he was just a kid making stupid mistakes like all kids do. Lately, he's just an ***hole being an ***hole.

[spideyboy_1111]

Granted, Sue is not the only character who switches personalities based on the episode's "theme".

Sam had (has?) two modes:

#1- stereotypical dumb jock obsessed with his popularity and body image

#2- sweetly awkward dork who speaks Na'vi and does celebrity impressions

Blaine has maybe three modes:

#1- cool, collected, self-assured, and relatively straight-acting and non-stereotypical gay mentor figure

#2- fumbling clueless nitwit who is shaken into a full-on identity crisis by a drunk spin the bottle kiss with a girl and doesn't know who the hell he is or what he wants

#3- (this "third Blaine" has suddenly appeared in Season 3) a kind of fun but kind of dorky, and also flamboyantly gay guy who wears huge pink bowties and blazing red pants. Basically, the closest of any the three Blaines to Darren Criss himself (minus the flamboyantly gay part, since Darren Criss isn't actually a flamboyantly gay man, he just seems like one)

since when has blaine ever been "straight acting".... he's never really come off "straight acting" to me.. other than that brief episode where he kissed rachel

[spideyboy_1111]

Colfer and Darren's Halloween costumes (dunno who, if anyone, Amy Winehouse Man is):

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwj98c7TS1qfh37ho1_500.png

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwit97ZCD1qfh37ho2_500.png

hmm... i don't really think Darren is helping is straight image by going as something cute (babar). He's said he's straight several times... but, im not positive i believe it... He's got a pretty adorable costume... I don't usually see straight guy's getting an "adorable" look together...

just my 2cents for the day. lol

[Schlosser85]

They've taken him past the point of no return IMO. Even with some of the crap he pulled in season one and the first half of season two (flipping out on Kurt, for one), he was just a kid making stupid mistakes like all kids do. Lately, he's just an ***hole being an ***hole.


Finn is likable in Season 1, IMO. Even in the situation with Kurt in the basement, yes he shouldn't have used the f-word, but let's be honest, Kurt had basically been harassing him blatantly leading up to that point, and he was just a kid who was ignorant about gay issues just like Burt was, by his own admission, at Finn's age.

Even up to halfway through Season 2, I was totally on his side in the Rachel break up because he was right, her making out with Puck wasn't the same as him having sex with Santana because they weren't together at the time.

Honestly, the biggest thing that made Finn lose me was the way he thought nothing of stealing the girlfriend of his teammate. It made him a giant roaring hypocrite for all the times he gets so angry about being cheated on, and the way he basically rubbed it in Sam's face made him 10x as obnoxious. And he was also a hypocrite for refusing to take back Rachel, but getting back together with Quinn, who screwed him over 100x worse than Rachel ever did.

All his other random jerkish moments, like having the chutzpah to get mad at Sam for supposedly fooling around with the girlfriend Finn stole from him, how full of himself he was with the kissing booth, and jumping on the chance to be a dick (and once again a hypocrite) to Blaine as soon as he's in the choir room door, just to make sure he's got everyone covered, just further degrades him.

I started out with more sympathy for Finn than Rachel, and at this point that's reversed. I now not only have more sympathy for Rachel, I think she can do better than him.


since when has blaine ever been "straight acting".... he's never really come off "straight acting" to me.. other than that brief episode where he kissed rachel


I don't think there was anything blaringly "gay" about him when we very first met him in Never Been Kissed. Through that first episode, he seemed to me like a guy who just happened to be gay. Then the very next episode, he's flailing over Patti LuPone and Vogue right alongside Kurt...overall though it seems to me that Blaine is "gayer" in Season 3. Like he's becoming more like Kurt.

I used to think Darren Criss himself seemed more stereotypically gay than Blaine, and now it seems like the line between Blaine and Darren is blurred more and more. And yes, I find it quite ironic that Darren is supposedly the straight actor and Blaine is the gay character and yet Blaine becoming more stereotypically gay seems to directly coincide with him becoming more like Darren.


hmm... i don't really think Darren is helping is straight image by going as something cute (babar). He's said he's straight several times... but, im not positive i believe it... He's got a pretty adorable costume... I don't usually see straight guy's getting an "adorable" look together...

just my 2cents for the day. lol



I try to take Darren at his word...but he makes it challenging. lol.

[JustABill]

Kevin McHale went as Dil Pickles. Harry Shum Jr went as Phil Deville. Max Adler went as a sheep. Are they all gay as well? Seriously. Common sense boys. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Kevin McHale went as Dil Pickles. Harry Shum Jr went as Phil Deville. Max Adler went as a sheep. Are they all gay as well? Seriously. Common sense boys. :o

well... considering a group of them went as Rugrats characters... that kinda negates it all... you can get away with alot in a group because it's simply "cooler" to do so. Dianna went as friggin REPTAR!

and... a guy as a sheep is far more "funny" than cute....

[John Locke]

If it helps many people think Dianna started the idea.

[JustABill]

well... considering a group of them went as Rugrats characters... that kinda negates it all... you can get away with alot in a group because it's simply "cooler" to do so. Dianna went as friggin REPTAR!

and... a guy as a sheep is far more "funny" than cute....
Right, imposing a sexuality onto Darren just reeks of you WANTING him to play for our team.

[spideyboy_1111]

Right, imposing a sexuality onto Darren just reeks of you WANTING him to play for our team.

nah, i could care less. him being gay doesn't help me any more or less...

:whatever:

it's like... If a group of guys go as carebears... people are going to think it's badass and hilarious. If one guy goes as a carebear... they're probably going either think he's trying to be cute, or looks like a loser.

sorta like if you turn up at a party as just a pacman ghost... minus pacman and/or all the other ghosts.

[JustABill]

Well, the entire Glee cast was pretty much 90's central except Lea, Chris, and Max so...it's safe to say Darren probably decided on Babar that way.

[spideyboy_1111]

babar the toon started in the 80s.. and the book was written in the 1910s ....

I think you're grasping at just as many straws as you think I am...

[Specter313]

Finn, just die or do something to go away. Once again, going straight from self-righteous to hypocritical douche to Blaine once again in about 30 seconds flat. I'm so glad Blaine called him on it.

[Havok83]

Im loving Britney and her Leprechaun. I think he's a great new character. Man when I was a kid, I wanted a marshmallows only Lucky Charms as well and I know Im not hte only one

The Quinn plot. I completely forgot about it as it feels like its been so long since they did anything with it.

Whatever happened to Sam? Did he move or something?

Santana: "I'd like you to hold my hand....like under the napkin" :awesome:

[Specter313]

I still want someone to punch Finn. Hard.

[Hush]

Finn is my favorite character and I feel he is just being a highschool kid jealous of someone stealing his spotlight. Blaine is no better or worse a singer than Finn and vice versa for Finn but when Finn loses some of the main spotlight it would bother a guy who is the Star QB and clearly has an Alpha Male Gene.

[spideyboy_1111]

my DVR didn't record it :(... now i gotta wait a day or 2 for it to go on demand!!! *grrrrr*

[JustABill]

Finn was a major hypocrite this episode.

''We should all stop fighting and stick together!" ''Oh, btw, **** you Blaine."
''Brittany, stop being such an idiot, even though I'm not the most intelligent person in the world either. I use to cheat off your tests!"

[John Locke]

Yeah Finn needs to get punched in the face. It's hard to be the most hated character in an episode when one of them a trying to steal a baby and another made fun of the guy who has a heart condition.

[Schlosser85]

The most annoying thing about Finn is he's such a giant hypocrite.

"Dude, how dare you flirt with the girl I stole from you! Cheating is so wrong!"

"Oh hey Rory, welcome to the gang! Blaine, GTFO"

[Sawyer]

Can Shane from The Walking Dead crossover to Glee and give Finn the Otis treatment? Pleeease?

[Sawyer]

Quinn too, for that matter. You gave your baby up, *****. Now get the **** over it. :o

[John Locke]

Well this episode made me feel sorry for her but yeah if she got the Andy Bernard/Anger Management treatment that would be fine. Or the House treatment and spend an episode or two in a Mental Ward that'd be fine. Could even be over the Christmas break.

[Mogwai]

Can Shane from The Walking Dead crossover to Glee and give Finn the Otis treatment? Pleeease?

santana would be the shane of glee.

[Sawyer]

The best part is.... that's 100% true. She doesn't even need a zombie apocalypse. She would shoot Finn in the leg just for the fun of it. :up:

[Sawyer]

Santana can use a nice big dose of "get the **** over yourself" as well.

God.... when did this become the most unlikeable cast of characters on TV?!

[Mogwai]

or quinn, actually. she's may more evil than santana in a lot of ways.

[John Locke]

I take it you haven't seen Allen Gregory. But your right.

[JustABill]

Santana can use a nice big dose of "get the **** over yourself" as well.

God.... when did this become the most unlikeable cast of characters on TV?!
See, I thought Santana was perfectly sound. Rachel and Blaine do tend to get special attention. Especially Rachel though. And someone on the show made an excellent point. They only win when the others voices are used, but when Finn and Rachel sing lead at competition? They automatically lose.

[John Locke]

I think Sawyer was talking about her telling the Irish kid to leave because only she can manipulate her girl.

[Sawyer]

Oh, the Rachel part I can care less about. Rachel and Finn have that coming. But her dragging Blaine into it just comes across to me as "If anyone but me gets the spotlight, I'm going to ***** endlessly and defect to Shelby's team."

And her ripping into Irish kid just kind of annoyed me. Britt's not her property. She's not his either. Give Britt a little credit. I'm sure she'll figure out that he's not an actual leprechaun eventually...... probably. :o

[John Locke]

You haven't finished the episode yet have you Sawyer?

[Sawyer]

I'm like 3/4 of the way.

[John Locke]

Your reaction should be fun then. :woot:

[Sawyer]

Was anyone else shocked to see Carole? I just assumed that she had been wiped from existence and that, in this new timeline, Burt adopted Finn as a baby. :o

[John Locke]

I was, I honestly didn't think she'd be in the episode but it looks like she might actually be in this storyline.

Also apparently people have figuired out that Quinn was reading Mere Anarchy by Woody Allen. Anyone read this? Doesn't seem like something she would read.

[iamlegend]

Finn is my favorite character and I feel he is just being a highschool kid jealous of someone stealing his spotlight. Blaine is no better or worse a singer than Finn and vice versa for Finn but when Finn loses some of the main spotlight it would bother a guy who is the Star QB and clearly has an Alpha Male Gene.

While I don't know that I'd agree on the singing part, I agree on the point that Finn's hypocrisy is actually a fairly realistic storyline (and far, far more realistic than many of the character traits that run rampant on this show), considering these are supposed to be high schoolers. Everyone's a hypocrite. Particularly at a young age.

[Schlosser85]

Finn is a blatant roaring hypocrite. He throws fits of righteous indignation about being cheated on but thought nothing of stealing Sam's girlfriend, and he's all big brother to Rory the new kid but basically tells Blaine to go **** himself at every opportunity.

And while Santana is a *****, I do think Quinn is worse. Santana is at least honest about being a *****. Quinn always does the whole "wholesome good girl" thing while plotting to ruin someone's life.

[Primal Slayer]

Im glad that Santana let Finn and Shue have it just like Mercedes did though I dont think it will help much. But its funny how the writers can see this and kind of make fun of themselves but then they never do anything to correct the problem.

And you know that you are to big of a Santana fan when you notice that her ponytail in this episode was all kinds of off.

[Schlosser85]

Let It Snow by Kurt and Blaine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQho5iwzPbk&feature=player_embedded

A lot faster and jazzier than I was expecting, kind of like how they did the Ding Dong the Witch is Dead song.

[JustABill]

Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of that. It's not the voices. It's just the song sped up is just...gross.

There's this though:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltr5grT83o1qjbhg9o1_500.jpg

[Sawyer]

Puck's going to be singing "Hot for Teacher"...... :lmao:

I see he has yet to master subtlety.

[Sawyer]

Also....
gMrSQ_B-CL0
**** Finn. :o

After the way Finn treated him, Blaine should've ran over and Spartan kicked Finn back into his chair. "No! No!!! You stay in that ****ing chair until my number's over, right? Right?! Good ****ing boy." I would not put up with that.

[Primal Slayer]

To bad I doubt we will see Blaine grow a vicious pair. Also loved Brittany not taking Finns shizznits. Also had to lol at Burt when he is like "Kurt will be in college and you will be blah blah blah)

[Schlosser85]

Unfortunately I think Blaine is just too passive and, for lack of a better word, nice to give Finn the epic tell-off he has coming.

If anyone is going to tell Finn to get the **** over himself where Blaine is concerned, it'll have to be Kurt or the newly ballsy Schuester.

[Sawyer]

I find it hard to take Britt's side when people call her stupid. I mean, yeah, it's dickish, but the chick ate a candy bar out of a ****ing litter box. :o

But, between Britt and Finn, I take her side on general principle, so...

[John Locke]

Also....
gMrSQ_B-CL0
**** Finn. :o

After the way Finn treated him, Blaine should've ran over and Spartan kicked Finn back into his chair. "No! No!!! You stay in that ****ing chair until my number's over, right? Right?! Good ****ing boy." I would not put up with that.
Artie runs over Kurt's foot at 1:21 :lmao:

[Schlosser85]

I find it hard to take Britt's side when people call her stupid. I mean, yeah, it's dickish, but the chick ate a candy bar out of a ****ing litter box. :o

But, between Britt and Finn, I take her side on general principle, so...


Yea, kinda same.

You thought you were pregnant because a stork built a nest outside your window, you can't recognize Puck without a mohawk, Sue in green facepaint, or Beiste with a fake Santa beard that's hanging down past her chin, and you thought Rory was a leprechaun.

Are you really oblivious to why people might call you stupid?

That said, Finn is treading on very thin ice by calling someone else an idiot.

[Schlosser85]

Puck's going to be singing "Hot for Teacher"...... :lmao:

I see he has yet to master subtlety.


Glee in general has never been one for subtlety.

[John Locke]

Yeah let's not forget that Finn thought he got Quinn pregnant via hot tub.

[Primal Slayer]

Brittany just chooses to see the good purer...childish side of things. She can step it up when she needs to.

Also nice to see Kurts posters still hanging up in the hallways.

We also get another scene of Tina crying...sure it was somewhat over the right reason but does she just like being the background so she can be part of something? I really want her to lose her cool one day and it would be great if she went to Shelbys group. I actually felt a little bad for Sugar Motta when the HBIC walked through and told it to her straight.

But they really need to bring back Karofsky with so much going on unless he has temporarly left the high school. Blaines transferring, Santanas eventual outing. Just seems like eh should around for this stuff.

[Sawyer]

It seems to me like they're insinuating that he graduated last year. He wasn't there with the football team and hasn't been seen in the hallways. I get the feeling he's gone from McKinley.

Unless he's not. Who the hell knows with these writers?

[Primal Slayer]

He is suppose to be coming back before we go to winter hiatus so guess we will find out.

[Schlosser85]

Karofsky is in the next episode. Apparently Kurt runs into him at the gay bar he and Blaine go to.

[Call Me Darkman]

I've been watching season 2 on Netflix and I don't understand what people were complaining about. It's as good as season 1. At what point did the show alienate the fans?

[flash13]

Trouty Mouth is back
http://yfrog.com/gzcxtmlj
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/wallyflash/scaledphptn0server611filenamecxtml.jpg

On the subject of Brittany and Finn. Yeah Finn calling her an idiot was douchey but she just stood there while Santana tore into Finn and did nothing. Yet she calls Finn a bully when he calls her an idiot? I like all the characters in Glee for the most part but they can all be idiots at times.

[flash13]

http://my-lucky-day.tumblr.com/post/12284422199/santa-baby-glee-cast-version
Santa Baby sung by Santana from the Christmas volume 2. She sounds amazing on it!

[Primal Slayer]

Trouty Mouth is back
http://yfrog.com/gzcxtmlj

On the subject of Brittany and Finn. Yeah Finn calling her an idiot was douchey but she just stood there while Santana tore into Finn and did nothing. Yet she calls Finn a bully when he calls her an idiot? I like all the characters in Glee for the most part but they can all be idiots at times.

Santana isnt trying to be the leader of the group and tell them all they shouldnt be fighting. Plus Brittany pretty much lets people deal with their own fights, she doesnt that let that influence her decisions.

[Primal Slayer]

Well we now know what happened to Karofsky. They shouldve put him in Dalton if anything. And a Santana/Rachel duet? interesting to say the least. Sounds like this next episode is going to be good.
http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-season-3-episode-5-the-first-time-spoilers/#more-267879

[Schlosser85]

Yea, I'm really looking forward to The First Time. Sounds like a lot of substantial things going on.

[Sawyer]

The Warblers are singing "Uptown Girl"? Ehhh....... :csad:

[Prison Mike]

I'm really liking the new Irish kid. I loved both his numbers. How many episodes will he be sticking around for? Puck's storyline is also interesting. Couldn't care less about the other people though.

[Dwarf lord]

I like all the characters in Glee for the most part but they can all be idiots at times.

Honestly, I completely agree with this. While they all do have major flaws and can be someone unlikeable at times. Well, welcome to high school. Some of the plots may be a bit far fetched, I do think the characterization is pretty spot on. Everyone in high school is moody and bi-polar.

[Schlosser85]

I'm unsure about Rory so far. I thought the leprechaun bit was one of those things like her not being able to recognize Sue in green facepaint or Beiste in a Santa beard, that take her stupidity to such extremes that I question the moral implications of her being in a relationship with someone of average intelligence.

So I'm waiting to see where he goes from here.

And the storylines I currently find engaging are Kurt (always my favorite) and Puck/Shelby, and I wanna see where the New Directions vs. The Troubletones and Burt vs. Sue stuff goes.

[Schlosser85]

Honestly, I completely agree with this. While they all do have major flaws and can be someone unlikeable at times. Well, welcome to high school. Some of the plots may be a bit far fetched, I do think the characterization is pretty spot on. Everyone in high school is moody and bi-polar.

I think one of the best things about Glee actually is that all the characters have good and bad qualities. Even ones like Sue, Quinn, Santana etc. have sympathetic moments.

I actually don't think there's anything particularly unrealistic about Mercedes' diva tantrum or the attraction between Puck and Shelby, and I thought Kurt's storyline of auditioning for Tony was pretty realistic.

Sue and Brittany exist on their own planes of reality though.

[Dwarf lord]

I think one of the best things about Glee actually is that all the characters have good and bad qualities. Even ones like Sue, Quinn, Santana etc. have sympathetic moments.

I actually don't think there's anything particularly unrealistic about Mercedes' diva tantrum or the attraction between Puck and Shelby, and I thought Kurt's storyline of auditioning for Tony was pretty realistic.

Sue and Brittany exist on their own planes of reality though.

I actually find all of the ones you mentioned to be some of the most sympathetic. Santana is a ***** to hide her own insecurities. And I think Quinn is a perfect example of someone who was ruined by being raised in a super religious household. And Sue... she's complex. haha.

But yeah, you mentioned some of the more realistic things. I was talking more about the Sue Sylvester Shuffle where the girls joined the football team and them having a hang over for two days. Those are two of the things that stick out on my brain. But yeah, they are real characters.

As for Sue and Brittany, yeah they're pretty unrealistic. I don't think it's a coinsidence that they're some of the most well received characters on the show. Most people don't like to be reminded of themselves or people they know as much as they say they do.

[Primal Slayer]

I wonder what would happen if Brittany met Kelly Bundy....would the universe explode?

Santanas vicious to hide her insecurities but she even without them she is still a b, thats just part of who she is.

Rory will be around for 7 episodes but I dont really see right now what he would be able to add except taking away time from Tina which it seems like he will already get more focus.

Im dissapointed that they seem to be taking the easy route with Karofsky. It would have been kind of nice to see him feel what he put Kurt through and just in general stand up to the other footballers or anyone in general that would try to pick him on him for his sexual orientation since he isnt as much a pushover as Kurt when it would come to a fight.

Also hope that Troubletones slams New Directions into the ground just to show Shuester that he has some serious work to do and not always play it safe by counting on Rachel and Finn. Then they will probably deciede to merge everyone back together again.

Oh and I need a Santana/Blaine duet before season ends, they just seem like they would go so well together.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lryzah7Bvl1qght87o8_250.gif

[flash13]

Songs from episode 5
http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/episode/first-time

and Uptown Girl by the Warblers
(http://ladymonique.tumblr.com/post/12325013040/gleekydisneystarkid-uptown-girl-glee-cast)

All of the West Side Story songs are amazing! especially Lea and Naya on A Boy Like That!

[Schlosser85]

I'd like a Santana/Blaine duet too.

Re: Uptown Girl, Darren Criss is a better singer than Curt Mega.

One Hand One Heart is kind of boring, but I liked Lea and Darren's "Tonight".

[JustABill]

Santana would kill Blaine before they could finish their duet tho. Lol.

[Primal Slayer]

If she can withstand killing Rachel she would put up with Blaine.

[Pink Ranger]

Santana would kill Blaine before they could finish their duet tho. Lol.

Santana is an alpha female: she would only kill to establish dominance. Blaine is no threat to her in any way: they don't go after the same roles or the same sexual conquests. It's like a falcon and a tree standing side by side.

[JustABill]

Did you miss last week? She kinda is sick of Blaine already.

[Dwarf lord]

Did you miss last week? She kinda is sick of Blaine already.

Santana's sick of everyone. It's kind of her thing.

[JustABill]

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-john-schneider-sam-season-3/

John Schneider has been cast as Sam's father. They are also looking to cast his mother.

[Sawyer]

Damn. They really are bringing him back full force. I approve. :up:

[John Locke]

That is really great news. My interest in Sam just went way up. :woot:

[Prison Mike]

Pa Kent is Sam's dad?! :woot:

I hope he brings some sense to Quinn. If Puck can't do it then Sam needs to.

[John Locke]

Pa Kent is Sam's dad?! :woot:

I hope he brings some sense to Quinn. If Puck can't do it then Sam needs to.
When I first read this I thought you were talking about Pa Kent not Sam. :funny:

[Prison Mike]

When I first read this I thought you were talking about Pa Kent not Sam. :funny:

I guess he could give some Pa Kent lecture to Quinn. :oldrazz:

[JustABill]

I don't want Sam and Quinn back together. They were creepy. They looked like brother and sister making out.

[Dwarf lord]

I think Sam was the best for her and I think Sam is just the kind of down to earth presence she needs to bring her down from her crazy.

[Specter313]

I would hope he would at least have more sense than Finn not to go after someone who already cheated on him once before.

[Sawyer]

I can't stop listening to "America". :up:

[Schlosser85]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Glee-Video-Sebastian-Kurt-Blaine-1039379.aspx#ooid=l1aGd5Mjrh3STD7cbqqTV41mT7sIL2mi

First clip of Sebastian, Blaine, and Kurt.

[Schlosser85]

Sebastian's kind of sexy in a naughty way, not gonna lie.

[JustABill]

Soooooo, can Blaine and Sebastian just become a thing? Yeah. They need to become a thing.

[Schlosser85]

Uptown Girl:

http://perezhilton.com/2011-11-04-exclusive-warblers-darren-criss-grant-gustin-uptown-girl-first-look

[Schlosser85]

Bill...you know I ship Klaine hardcore...but I cannot deny, Darren Criss and Grant Gustin getting it on would be pretty sexy.

[JustABill]

They have more chemistry in that one scene than Chris and Darren have every had and the personalities clash so much more than Blaine and Kurt's do. Opposites make for farrrrrr better couples on TV shows. I can't help but want them together.

[Primal Slayer]

If anything they should have made Sebastian a new student at McKinley and a a junior or sophmore since he seems like he wouldve been a good replacement for Kurt and Santana, plus he creates drama for Kurt.

[JustABill]

Well, he could always transfer just like Blaine did. In fact he could even do it this season. ''Oh, hey, Blaine and Kurt. I transferred. Let's have a threesome in the bathroom."

[Primal Slayer]

That would be to much of a cop out to have him transfer. Plus thats a whole lot of transferring for one season. Blaine/Karosfky is enough.

[JustABill]

Glee honestly does not give a ****. They play transferring up like it's no big deal. Sam, Jesse, Kurt, Blaine, Karofsky, they've all transferred back and forth like it's nothing. One more character is nothing.

[Schlosser85]

NGL, if there was some parallel universe where Blaine/Kurt/Sebastian had some kinky threeway relationship....I might watch :dry:

I doubt we'll see Sebastian at McKinley though. Grant Gustin hasn't even been back on set since Episode 5. The next time we see him will probably be Sectionals in Episode 8, but there's been nothing about him at all in any spoilers for upcoming episodes or plotlines.

I question whether the writers exaggerated how long-running/big of a deal Sebastian is just to get fan tongues wagging.

[flickchick85]

Well, I've never been a fan of Klaine, so I'm all for Sebastian shaking things up.

Also, I LOVE the WSS songs for this week. Just when I think I'm starting to get bored of Lea's voice, they pull me back in. And Naya proves to be the perfect Anita we all expected. :up:

[Schlosser85]

Considering Klaine pop each other's cherries at the end of the episode, I wouldn't count on Sebastian shaking things up too much.

[Sawyer]

First look at the "America" performance (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20385926_20456486,00.html#21075501)

They all look great in costume. :up:

[Schlosser85]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu7ubvUKgy1qhl34to3_r2_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKe yId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1320632938&Signature=LLUgUawyvSwpksgDkQU9jGfMGbI%3D

[Schlosser85]

Colfer has such an expressive face.

[JustABill]

Considering Klaine pop each other's cherries at the end of the episode, I wouldn't count on Sebastian shaking things up too much.
Considering it seems like he's the entire reason they do pop each other's cherries so soon into their relationship, I think they are pretty much doomed.

[Schlosser85]

They discuss it before Blaine meets Sebastian. But nice desperate try.

[Schlosser85]

So soon? They've been together probably around 6 months at this point.

[JustABill]

So soon? They've been together probably around 6 months at this point.
It's a little soon. I'm sorry. I can buy Finchel having sex. I can't buy Klaine having sex at this point.

[JustABill]

They discuss it before Blaine meets Sebastian. But nice desperate try.
I can guarantee they probably discuss it. Kurt says no, then Sebastian enters the picture, jealous! Kurt says okay to gay bar, and okay to sex. And he does exactly what his dad didn't want him to, throw it away.

[Sawyer]

At this point, Rachel, Kurt and Blaine are the last to give it up, yes? Can we assume that Mike and Tina have done the deed, and that Mercedes has already been plowed by that giant ass manatee she's been seen with? :o

[JustABill]

I like to go by the fact that if it's not stated. They are still carrying their V card. Soo...who knows, but Mike and Tina seem to be very very very into one another, so it's hard to think they haven't done the deed.

[John Locke]

Especially since half of Tina's lines last year were about Mike's abs.

[Sawyer]

Half of Tina's lines...... what is that? Three? :o


:csad:

[John Locke]

Oh three? My bad it's 75% then. :oldrazz:

:csad:

[Schlosser85]

Shane trying to have sex would probably make his heart burst.

[Sawyer]

Shane trying to have sex would probably make his heart burst.

I would just hope that Mercedes got to be on top. Otherwise.... RIP Mercedes. :csad:

[Schlosser85]

LaMarcus Tinker is not remotely believable as a football player either.

[Sawyer]

Well, most high schools don't tend to have Sumo wrestling teams, so the writers had to make do...

[Prison Mike]

He was believable in FNL. :csad:

[Schlosser85]

Sneak Peek

http://gleeships.tumblr.com/post/12425472729/glee-sneak-peek

[Mogwai]

Sneak Peek

http://gleeships.tumblr.com/post/12425472729/glee-sneak-peek

can't wait.

[Sawyer]

They really had to add that sappy ass score, didn't they?

[Prison Mike]

there's a site that ships Santana and Finn?!

[Specter313]

there's a site that ships Santana and Finn?!

:dry: Is it a site that worships domination and such? Because that's the only way that they would even remotely work. Santana would make him do everything for her, while she had sex with Britt.

[Schlosser85]

I think any conceivable pairing you can come up with, there's someone, somewhere, who ships it.

I've seen Harry/Voldemort, Harry/Snape, and Harry/Dumbledore slash.

[Sawyer]

Nothing is more disturbing than Wincest. Nothing!

[Schlosser85]

I find it a little bothersome how big of a fanbase Kurtofsky has. Even Chris Colfer said he found Kurtofsky disturbing.

Especially the people online calling the Karofsky kiss "hot".

Yea, sexual assault is so sexy.

[Specter313]

I find it a little bothersome how big of a fanbase Kurtofsky has. Even Chris Colfer said he found Kurtofsky disturbing.

Especially the people online calling the Karofsky kiss "hot".

Yea, sexual assault is so sexy.

:barf:

And Bill's told me of people saying that it would help the portrayal of the gay community on tv. :dry: How, exactly, can having two people who looked like that completely despised one another, one of whom actively assaulted the other on numerous occasions, go into a relationship and have that "help" any kind of community? That's like saying a woman who stays with a man that beats her is a healthy, normal relationship.

[Prison Mike]

The only pairing that I think was in the same situation was Luke and Laura in General Hospital.

[Schlosser85]

I kind of have to question if the fangirls who ship Kurtofsky have some kind of fetish for abusive relationships or are in one themselves.

[JustABill]

I think Kurtofsky should just be one sided. Kurt doesn't want Karofsky. Karofsky wants Kurt, never gets him, but because of Kurt, he's able to become a better person. I do think showing the closeted gay bully overcome his sexuality and his bullying would help not only the gay community, but other communities as well.

[Schlosser85]

^ I don't disagree with any of the above.

[Schlosser85]

Unfortunately, this whole bar scene has the feel of an epilogue giving closure to Karofsky, and I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him again afterwards.

[JustABill]

I think he'll be back, especially with the fan movement I've been seeing on Tumblr trying to get him back.

[Primal Slayer]

:dry: Is it a site that worships domination and such? Because that's the only way that they would even remotely work. Santana would make him do everything for her, while she had sex with Britt.

Seems like originally Santana wanted Finn or someone like him in season2 before the whole lesbian storyline came around.

[JustABill]

It's also possible to say she was just feeling lonely and wanted someone who would love her like Finn loves Rachel, etc.

[Sawyer]

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glees-chris-colfer-season-3-the-first-time/
Glee's Chris Colfer on Kurt and Blaine's 'First Time,' Showing Skin and Romance With Karofsky

Chris Colfer is kissing and telling about this Tuesday’s top-notch episode of Glee that finds Kurt and Blaine (Darren Criss) rounding the bases together for the first time. But the poignant hour isn’t all about S-E-X. It’s also about awkward reunions (welcome back, Karofsky!), new villains (hello there, Sebastian!) and brand new sets (gay bar!). The Emmy nominee weighs in on all of the above and answers the most asked question in the Klaine community. Yes, I’m talking about that question.

TVLINE | Over the summer you told me you were going to pitch [Glee co-creator] Ryan Murphy a Kurt/Blaine story that had never been told on TV before. Was this the story?
No. I’m still pitching. [Laughs] My story might be a little too controversial.

TVLINE | Can you say yet what that story is?
No, I don’t want to jinx it. But trust me, you’ll know. Your jaw will hit the floor.

TVLINE | What was your reaction when you read the script for this week’s episode, “The First Time?”
Prior to getting the script Ryan approached Darren and I and told us that they were doing a virginity episode, and Darren and I just kind of looked at each other with wide eyes like, “Huh? What?’ And while we always have faith in the writers, we were a little skeptical. But then we got the script and shot it and everything was fine. What I thought could be raunchy and over-the-top was just very sweet and emotional. That’s kind of how it is with Glee. Ryan will come up and tell me they’re [tackling] this big, sensitive issue and I’ll freak out. But then I have no reason to freak out because it’s always handled really well.

TVLINE | This is arguably the most intimate you and Darren have been together — as characters and as actors. Was it awkward?
Not really. We just kind of dove in. People always make a big deal about a kissing scene or a love scene, but it really isn’t. You have to realize it’s you, another actor and a room full of 40 crew members.

TVLINE | When fans heard that I had screened the episode in advance they wanted very specific details about the love scene.
[Sigh] I know.

TVLINE | Specifically, they wanted to know if you were shirtless during it. I broke the bad news to them that you were wearing a shirt.
[Laughs] I was totally [prepared] to have to do a shirtless scene. Or at least wear like a tank [top] or something. I even asked if I could wear a tank and they said no.

TVLINE | Did they say why?
I think having two gay guys having sex on television was enough. They didn’t want to [reveal] a bunch of skin on top of it. I was like, “I want to wear a tank! Let me wear a tank!” [Ultimately], I wore a T-shirt.

TVLINE | My favorite scene in the episode was the one between Kurt and Karofsky [Max Adler] at the gay bar.
That was absolutely my favorite scene as well.

TVLINE | What did you like about it?
First, I was excited because I never actually shot a scene at a bar before. And there are just so many cool things you can do as an actor: you can grab your drink, you can play with a cherry, you can lean on the bar, you can lean on a stool. I loved that. And also it was great to see that character again and see what happened to [him]. The honesty behind [Karofsky] is kind of heartbreaking. That’s his life now. That grungy bar is the place where he found acceptance.

TVLINE | There’s a small segment of the Glee fan base pushing for a Kurt/Karofsky romance. And I have to say, after watching that scene, I kind of get it.
I think it’s a great idea. I think people love Kurt and Blaine so much that they would never stray from that. But maybe if Blaine and Kurt take a break that would be a great alternative. I would like to see that happen.

TVLINE | Speaking of which, the episode also marked the introduction of the first real threat for Kurt and Blaine: Sebastian.
Oh my God. I was so excited. When I found out that there was a character coming in to try and take Blaine away from Kurt my first thought was, “Why does nobody ever love Kurt? Why does nobody love me. Why does nobody ever pursue Kurt?” My second thought was that I was so excited that there was something coming up between Kurt and Blaine besides the puppy-dog love scenes they’ve been in since Season 2. I was so excited there was some kind of drama. I got to play Kurt in a territorial light, which I was excited about. I like Sebastian. I like his presence.

TVLINE | What kind of threat will he be moving forward?
We’ll see. I think Sebastian is one of those very promiscuous, driven characters that once they have their eyes on something they don’t give up easily. Let me just say this won’t be the last time we’ll see Sebastian try and steal Blaine.


I wonder what controversial storyline Chris has in mind...

[Schlosser85]

Another Colfer interview about 'The First Time'...

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/06/glee-chris-colfer-absolutely-expects-opposition-to-sex-themed-episode/


Television watchdog groups have not been kind to Glee in the past, often taking aim at the show and its stars. And as the show prepares to air one of its most controversial episodes to date, which will find two of the show’s most popular couples having sex for the first time, star Chris Colfer is awaiting the inevitable.

“I absolutely expect to hear from them,” he tells EW. “But I think it’s handled very sweetly and very emotionally….They’re expecting this big, raunchy, suggestive, brainwashing storyline when, really, it’s very sweet.”

But it’s understandable, he says, that people would approach the episode with apprehension. He admits to experiencing some of his own when first learning Blaine (Darren Criss) and Kurt would lose their virginity to each other. (Rachel and Finn also have sex for the first time in the episode.) ”It’s funny, I always go into this instant panic state whenever they tell me about upcoming episodes because we always do so many delicate situations on the show,” he says. “But then I get the script and we shoot it and it’s always handled so well that I never really had any reason to worry about it.” And that’s much how he anticipates others to react after seeing it on Tuesday. “It’s nothing like what my imagination built it up to be,” he says. “It was much tamer than even I was expecting. My imagination went all over the place. I think everyone is going to walk away from it wishing their first time was like that.”

In the past, activist groups — like the Parents Television Council — have been critical of the show for tackling controversial subjects. Last season the show came under fire for another sex-themed episode, where, among other things, Kurt shared a talk with his father Burt about gay sex. Colfer says it’s the show’s right to do so. “Teen are having sex,” he says. “There’s not that much you can do to stop it, and we’re just showing a story about it….It’s about an experience in these teen’s lives that everyone has.” But, he adds, the show makes it a point to address teen sex responsibly. “I think it’s promoting safe teen sex. I believe there’s lots of safe sex innuendos and mentions in the episode,” he says. “And it goes back to what Burt said when he had that sex talk last year — don’t throw yourself around. Make it matter, make it meaningful. Make sure it’s with the right person and that you don’t regret it later.”

As for Kurt and Blaine, Colfer says the experience will be anything but a regret. “I’m assuming they’ll be much happier. They’ll probably be a lot more tired,” he jokes. “But I think it brings them closer.”

[Sawyer]

I almost want them to make the Kurt/Blaine sex scene as raunchy as possible just to piss of the Parents Television Council and such.

[Schlosser85]

Sometimes I think Glee would be more fun if it was on HBO.

And the Parents Television Council are prudish judgmental hypocrites, and just about exactly the kinds of people I find the most annoying personality type on the face of the Earth.

From what I've read though, both the Finchel and Klaine "sex scenes" are ridiculously tame. Basically we see them get down to their undershirts and then they're laying in bed after the deed's been done.

[Sawyer]

Sometimes I think Glee would be more fun if it was on HBO.

And the Parents Television Council are prudish judgmental hypocrites, and just about exactly the kinds of people I find the most annoying personality type on the face of the Earth.

From what I've read though, both the Finchel and Klaine "sex scenes" are ridiculously tame. Basically we see them get down to their undershirts and then they're laying in bed after the deed's been done.

That would be quite something. Considering the **** Ryan Murphy was able to do with Nip/Tuck on FX and all..... weekly shots of Morrison's ass, Sue saying all seven words multiple times per episode, a graphic threeway between Santana/Brittany/Puck, Jacob Ben Isreal being an even bigger degenerate.... good stuff. :up:

[Schlosser85]

Hell, Rachel and Blaine probably would have had sex at the party instead of made out.

Now there is something to give a drunk gay boy an identity crisis...losing your virginity to Rachel Berry.

And yea, I can't imagine the depths of perversion Jacob would sink into...

[Schlosser85]

Schue and Sue having stand-up wall anger sex.

You know it's crossed your mind.

And yea, part of me would like Murphy to say "**** you, Parent Television Council!", and just have the last ten minutes of the episode consist of Kurt and Blaine just ****ing the **** out of each other. :hehe:

[Sawyer]

Oh Gawd......... Mercedes/Shane frontal nudity. :barf:

[Primal Slayer]

Lisa Kudrow MUST be Brittanys mom. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsnjrkE9JL1ql9sndo2_250.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsnjrkE9JL1ql9sndo3_250.gif

[Schlosser85]

They even look alike.

[Schlosser85]

Sue launching into a profane monologue that drops the F-word and every other word in existence at least once per episode.

We'd surely have incessant gratuitous nudity from Morrison, Darren, Lea, Monteith, Salling, and Naya.

Graphic three-way sex between Santana/Brittany/Puck, Santana/Brittany/Finn, Kurt/Blaine/Sebastian, Will and Holly Holliday having freaky chandelier-swinging sexcapades (c'mon, you know they had them offscreen).

[Primal Slayer]

Schue and Sue having stand-up wall anger sex.

You know it's crossed your mind.

And yea, part of me would like Murphy to say "**** you, Parent Television Council!", and just have the last ten minutes of the episode consist of Kurt and Blaine just ****ing the **** out of each other. :hehe:

http://i43.tinypic.com/bdodxi.gif

10 minutes of Kurt sex face? I wouldnt be able to handle it.

[Sawyer]

Brittany surely would've had a graphic sex fantasy about Britney Spears, too.

[Sawyer]

Also, on HBO.... Will and April would've ****ed. Hard.

[Schlosser85]

Hell, April would have banged the whole football team (at once...)

[Schlosser85]

And you know Holly Holliday is a freak in the sack.

We probably would have seen Sue going all chains and whips on Bryan Ryan.

I still say if Murphy was 100% unleashed, at some point, if only once, Will and Sue would have ****ed like mad.

[Sawyer]

Probably. Will would've been a bigger ***hole about it too. The second they're finished, he'd be out the door. "Hey, you know all those hints I've been giving about being attracted to you? Just kidding! trolololol"

[Schlosser85]

Terri and Kendra would have kidnapped Quinn and tried to cut Beth out.

[Sawyer]

Will/Emma/Carl threeway....... then simultaneous breakdown on Emma's part about how dirty it got.

[Schlosser85]

Emma turning out to be a total chandelier-swinging freak in the sack who's never satisfied.

[spideyboy_1111]

Emma turning out to be a total chandelier-swinging freak in the sack who's never satisfied.

nah... emma would be peeling her skin off as she washes till she bleeds. and her first time would have included alot of really gross bleeding :(

[Sawyer]

Beiste/Will sex.... leading into an arc about Will being really into butch chicks.

[spideyboy_1111]

nah... emma would be peeling her skin off as she washes till she bleeds. and her first time would have included alot of really gross bleeding :(

.... and then crying in a ball in the shower.

[Matt]

Ok, enough of the gratuitous sex talk, gentlemen.

[JustABill]

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And it's took them till season 3 to have these two sing together. WHY?

[Sawyer]

Probably because putting anyone with Agron makes it less of a duet and more like one set of vocals smothering/obliterating the other.

Good song, though. :o

[John Locke]

I may be mistaken but isn't that Mays?

[Sawyer]

Oh, is it? I could've sworn it was Agron.

[JustABill]

It's Jayma Mays. Who has proven she has one of the better vocal ranges on the song. So I don't know what Sawyer is smoking. :o

[Sawyer]

Yeah, on second listen, it definitely sounds more like Jayma. But my point still stands. Her vocals are so soft that they're being smothered by Morrison's.

[John Locke]

Yeah I agree with Sawyer he does smother her out like Monteith did to Agron in their duet.

[flash13]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/07/glee-casting-scoop-chord-overstreets-mom-is-exclusive/
Time to meet another parent on Glee!

Now that Chord Overstreet is reprising his role as Sam on the Fox drama, fans will be introduced to his mom Mary Evans, played by Tanya Clarke (Guiding Light). EW has learned exclusively that Clarke, who has also appeared on shows like The Defenders and NCIS: Los Angeles, will show up in the Dec. 6 episode and may recur.

It’s already been revealed that John Schneider (Smallville) will play Sam’s dad. Hey, the tow-headed teen had to get that blond hair somewhere!

Overstreet signed up for a multi-episode/recurring arc on the show, and will reunite with kids of McKinley High in December. Sam’s departure was explained in the season 3 premiere by his father getting a job in another town.

Sam's mom is hot! The only thing I'm confused about though is that Sam supposedly dyed his hair blonde, but his whole family is already blonde. I guess he was the only brunette in the family and felt left out :confused:.

[Primal Slayer]

Or they all bottle blondes!!!!!!!!

But I wonder when we will meet everyone elses parents. There was a rumor before the season started that we would be meeting Brittanys.

[Prison Mike]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/07/glee-casting-scoop-chord-overstreets-mom-is-exclusive/


Sam's mom is hot! The only thing I'm confused about though is that Sam supposedly dyed his hair blonde, but his whole family is already blonde. I guess he was the only brunette in the family and felt left out :confused:.

Ryan Murphy likes to rewrite history on all his shows.

[Sawyer]

Well, surprise surprise. The PTC is *****ing about tonight's episode (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/08/glee-teen-sex/)

The comment about the gender of the characters being irrelevant to them was pretty hilarious. This is clearly a gay issue.

[Speedball]

Grant Gustin apparently went to the public high school that I was supposed to go to in Norfolk, VA. But I can't feel anything but ashamed. His character is gross, and I can't find him attractive at all.

[Schlosser85]

The PTC is a bunch of uptight hypocrites. Even calling them "sex scenes" is stretching it.

And them saying it's not a gay issue is a lie like most of the rest of what they say.

[Schlosser85]

And yea, Sebastian is a skeevy whore.

[Schlosser85]

Overall, a well-done episode, though the "sex scenes" were so uber-tame as to be anti-climactic (no pun intended). I thought it would have been better if both Klaine and Finchel had had sex in another episode. It felt too soon after both their arguments. Maybe even more in Finchel's case, and it came across like Rachel giving Finn pity sex.

[Speedball]

And yea, Sebastian is a skeevy whore.

I'd feel a little more proud if he played a slightly more respectable character, and ... you know... had a jaw line and didn't weigh 100 lbs.
edit- I'm sure Grant is a nice guy, but the character makes me want to hate him.
Did I mention he'd be a freshman when I would have been a senior. :dry:

[Hush]

Good Episode tonight. I wish we would have had more music, main complaint about this season, but good episode overall. Also since they are promotiong the Christmas CD does that mean no Christmas episode?

[Sawyer]

I actually like that they've used less songs per episode. More time to actually tell a story.

Sidenote: Was that chick Dalton's librarian? Because..... Goddamn. :hrt:

[Sawyer]

"When I was in Paris..."

Douchebag. :o

[Schlosser85]

Does anyone think Sebastian actually lived in Paris, or he was just saying that to dazzle naive innocent schoolboy Blaine?

[Captain_BluTac]

Sidenote: Was that chick Dalton's librarian? Because..... Goddamn. :hrt: I think she was their French teacher, but still very pretty woman.

And I guess I was the only one who liked Sebastian? I actually enjoyed the fact that he was so unashamedly ****ty. We live in an age where gay characters tend to be fairly neutered, so I found him pretty refreshing to watch... Although his line about "mother's milk" was creepy as hell.

[Sawyer]

I didn't think he was that bad. Just douchey.

[Sawyer]

And that ending....... way to overreact, PTC.

"Two fully clothed people laying beside one another?! It's INDECENT!!! Martha!!! Shield the children's EYES!!!!"

:lmao:

[JustABill]

I guess I'm going to be Sebastian's biggest fan in this thread. Bring on Seblaine. Way more chemistry between Blaine and him than Kurt and Blaine have ever had. And after that car scene with drunk Blaine, Kurt shouldn't have let Blaine in his pants until at least season 4. :o

[Schlosser85]

I didn't see the chemistry or Sebastian's appeal besides being entertaingly sleazy, but to each their own I guess.

As I said earlier, I do think it seemed too soon after both their fights for either Finchel or Klaine to have sex. It would have been better for the fights and the sex to be in two separate episodes. But Glee loves setting up conflicts and resolving them in .5 seconds.

[Sawyer]

At least we have an answer regarding Mike/Tina.... that just leaves Mercedes.

And her massive ****ing boyfriend. :o

[Schlosser85]

Did anyone else LOL when Cooter passed Finn over....for Shane?

[Primal Slayer]

OMG this episode was so SCANDELOUS! I had watch it with one eye open!

I liked Sebasation (as a Santana lover go figure). As I said before, to bad he isnt part of ND since he wouldve made a good replacement for Kurt and Santana.

Karofskys storyline ending...dont know how I feel about it. A bit a cop out.

And just the brief line of Santanas Adele in the promo is already perfect.

Also just for fun, someone is going to be following the whose who in music for season3 of Glee
http://ontd-glee.livejournal.com/1387347.html#cutid1

Oh and FOX needs to do some major damage control since Glee is just hurting in the ratings department.

[Mogwai]

Did anyone else LOL when Cooter passed Finn over....for Shane?

why is he so unbelievable as a football player?

[Schlosser85]

He looks like he'd have a heart attack if he ran.

[Mogwai]

but i love how they always call finn out on his weight lol.

[Primal Slayer]

He looks like he'd have a heart attack if he ran.

Guess you never saw Sugar Daddy from Popular...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALSEPMbgZOc

Speaking of Popular, I wish Ryan would incorporate some Popularness into Glee.

[Mogwai]

Speaking of Popular, I wish Ryan would incorporate some Popularness into Glee.
like what? i already feel like they're pretty similar. there always has to be a sexually-ambiguous teacher lol.

[Sawyer]

Guess you never saw Sugar Daddy from Popular...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALSEPMbgZOc

Speaking of Popular, I wish Ryan would incorporate some Popularness into Glee.

I just want to see some Leslie Bibb. :atp:

[Primal Slayer]

I just want to see some Leslie Bibb. :atp:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2rcvc0i.gif

I just want to see them have some of Populars over the topness and fun that the show had with itself.

[Sawyer]

Boo!!! :cmad:

I want some Leslie Bibb gifs. :o

[Sawyer]

I'm surprised about how much I'm digging Uptown Girl. It was kind of off-putting at first, but after a few listens, I'm really liking it. :up:

[RockSP]

why is he so unbelievable as a football player?

Yeah I don't get it either. Fat kids play high school football.



I just want to see them have some of Populars over the topness and fun that the show had with itself.

Glee isn't "over the top"? :huh:

[Primal Slayer]

Rumor Has it mashup from this upcoming Glee. Mercedes/Santana KILLED it! Gotta give props to Shelby for making Mercedes great again.

qb7zjKkLCoQ

[Mogwai]

^like!

[Prison Mike]

Will needs to be scared of this new glee club. Very Scared.

[Schlosser85]

Ok, I'm a big Adele fan and Rumour Has It is one of my favorites by her, but I was skeptical about how well it'd mash up with Someone Like You, but I really like this!

[Primal Slayer]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2igf0gp.gif
For New Directions. They are going to need it.

[Schlosser85]

<<Currently abusing the replay button.

Amen to Will being afraid of Shelby. Between Bohemian Rhapsody, Candyman, and Rumour Has It/Someone Like You, the woman knows how to run a glee club.

[Primal Slayer]

And if the big outing wasnt happening I can only imagine the performance wouldve been even better instead of the TroubleTones being somewhat sad about what happened.

[Schlosser85]

Honestly, while I get that it's an emotional song, I could never get into Someone Like You because it's too draggy for me. Mashing it up with Rumour Has It actually made me like it better.

Oh, and Naya Rivera is both one of the best singers and actors on Glee, and Santana is easily one of the most morally ambiguous, three-dimensional, and interesting characters. It takes talent to portray someone who's such a ***** to 99.9% of humanity the vast majority of the time, yet also tug the audience's heart strings by making it so clear that her anger and venom comes from an inner core of miserable fear and loneliness.

^ Okay, so the above sounded totally pretentious, but I stand by it.

[Sawyer]

Schue has no reason to fear. Talented? Well, duh. But Mercedes' inherent laziness and Santana's inherent *****iness will be their Achilles heel. Making Mercedes your main lead? Heh.... enjoy that while it lasts. It'll all be over after a marathon round of "Hide the Tots" with her giant ****ing boyfriend. Mercedes has something to prove right now, but once she gets comfortable..... Well, God help Shelby if she asks Mercedes to do any sort of physical activity. :o

[Sawyer]

Schue has no reason to fear. Talented? Well, duh. But Mercedes' inherent laziness and Santana's inherent *****iness will be their Achilles heel. Making Mercedes your main lead? Heh.... enjoy that while it lasts. It'll all be over after a marathon round of "Hide the Tots" with her giant ****ing boyfriend. Mercedes has something to prove right now, but once she gets comfortable..... Well, God help Shelby if she asks Mercedes to do any sort of physical activity. :o

[Homer J. Fong]

Listening to "Someone Like You" again today, I thought to myself, "If Glee covers this at some point, they have to get Santana to sing it." I went on YouTube later and saw that, hey, they have covered it, and Santana did sing it! Excellent! But it's a mash-up with "Rumour Has It"...Uh-oh. I thought "Someone Like You" would sound terrible in a mash-up, and indeed it does. Santana's fine, but musically, it's just all wrong. Yes, there is a sort-of similarity between the content of the 2 songs; doesn't mean they work well together. It also doesn't mean you've created a good mash-up if you alternate from one song to the other.

And that ending....... way to overreact, PTC.

"Two fully clothed people laying beside one another?! It's INDECENT!!! Martha!!! Shield the children's EYES!!!!"

:lmao:

Wildly overacting is all the PTC does. The whole thing's ridiculous.

I thought the episode itself was excellent - I kind of hated Sebastian right away, but just because he came on really strong doesn't make him a bad character, obviously. If he does become a threat to Kurt/Blaine...well, I'm not interested in that, but I'm almost never interested in love triangle storylines; they happen all the time, though, so oh well.

[SuperT]

Wow, I'm just going to say it - That Rumor Has It/Someone Like You mashup is better than anything New Directions did together, wow.

Amber/Naya have amazing musical chemistry together. They just own it from beginning to end there.

[Hush]

I actually like that they've used less songs per episode. More time to actually tell a story.


That's the point for a Musical though, too let the songs tell the story. Using the pop songs to reference the happenings in the show and to double as Glee rehearsal and such was mouch more prevalent in the first two seasons than this one BY FAR. I just don't like the 3 songs an episode when some episodes in season 2 gave us like 5-6.

[SuperT]

Pluck Mike Chang and Quinn, and add another guy and the Troubletones >> New Directions. lol

[Sawyer]

Oh plz. :oldrazz:

Mike, maybe. Quinn would make it look like some radical feminazi organization. :o

[JustABill]

Besides the Troubletones are suppose to be an ALL girl group.

[Sawyer]

Are they? Because I've never heard any of that. :o

[Captain_BluTac]

Mercedes made a point of mentioning it during Pot O' Gold (I think) when she was trying to recruit Santana and Brittany.

[Sawyer]

Well, then that's a fair bit of sexism, is it not? I mean, the Warblers was one thing, that was an all-boys school. :o

[CaptainCanada]

The mashup has 261,366 views on VEVO as of now, in less than a day.

[Captain_BluTac]

Well, then that's a fair bit of sexism, is it not? I mean, the Warblers was one thing, that was an all-boys school. :o

I wouldn't say so. Unless they actually turn down a male student solely because he's got the wrong genitals it doesn't technically fall into sexism.

[Primal Slayer]

Schue has no reason to fear. Talented? Well, duh. But Mercedes' inherent laziness and Santana's inherent *****iness will be their Achilles heel. Making Mercedes your main lead? Heh.... enjoy that while it lasts. It'll all be over after a marathon round of "Hide the Tots" with her giant ****ing boyfriend. Mercedes has something to prove right now, but once she gets comfortable..... Well, God help Shelby if she asks Mercedes to do any sort of physical activity. :o

Mercedes has clearly changed since she has done more dancing then she has yet to do in ND I believe. And Santana is all about winning so she aint going to let anything stand in her way.

[Prison Mike]

I think Mercedes is willing to dance just as long as she has the solo in that number.

[flash13]

Next episode's songs
http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/episode/mash-0

[Primal Slayer]

Cant wait for Santana vs. Finn in dodgeball. This is going to be sp epic. Santana/Finn made an interesting combo for a duet/mashup.

Pucks Hot For Teacher is just a hot mess. Which I guess suits him.

[Sawyer]

Hot for Teacher was great. :up:

[Sawyer]

I wish they would've done just You Make My Dreams Come True, though. Or at least pair it with a song that actually has worth. :o

[Prison Mike]

I do love my mash ups :o

[RockSP]

Mercedes has clearly changed since she has done more dancing then she has yet to do in ND I believe.

Heh heh. C'mon. The Troubletones have had one number so far. She danced plenty with ND.

Her laziness is a plot convenience that comes and goes the same way Finn and Brittney's stupidity does.

[Schlosser85]

Mercedes is lazy, Finn and Brittany are mentally handicapped, and Blaine is Captain Oblivious when the episode of the week requires them to be.

[Mogwai]

Are ratings levels/cancellations relative to the network the program airs on? Glee apparently dipped to 5-6 million viewers(this past ep.) and all these sites say it's in danger. Now on The CW, Vampire Diaries doesn't even break 2 million and it seems just fine.

[Sawyer]

Well, their standards are different. The CW is still struggling to get the kind of numbers to be seen as an actual network. All of it's shows get lower numbers. Fox has been seen as one for awhile now and since Glee used to get much larger numbers, it can be seen as being in danger.

And, actually, The Vampire Diaries is one of the few shows on The CW that has never once dropped below 2 million. :up:

[Prison Mike]

Yeah, the ratings are relative to the network that the program is on. CBS would have cancelled Glee with 5-6 million viewers. :o

[Sawyer]

I mean, ****, look at NBC's thursday night comedy line-up. Community is in the same timeslot that Friends' final season was eight years ago. Community has gotten anywhere between 3 and 4 million viewers so far this season. Friends used to get eight TIMES that amount, quite often. Why does NBC keep Community around? Because the few people that are watching love it and NBC is kind of in the ****ter where ratings are concerned.

I kind of feel worse for NBC than I do The CW, quite honestly. The CW is still fairly young, even when you count The WB/UPN years. NBC was one of the Big Three. It just looks so much worse for them to be doing those kind of numbers.