Glee Episode V: The Sylvester Strikes Back - Part 7 [Archive] - Page 3

Sawyer

11-12-2011, 06:06 PM

I mean, ****, look at NBC's thursday night comedy line-up. Community is in the same timeslot that Friends' final season was eight years ago. Community has gotten anywhere between 3 and 4 million viewers so far this season. Friends used to get eight TIMES that amount, quite often. Why does NBC keep Community around? Because the few people that are watching love it and NBC is kind of in the ****ter where ratings are concerned.

I kind of feel worse for NBC than I do The CW, quite honestly. The CW is still fairly young, even when you count The WB/UPN years. NBC was one of the Big Three. It just looks so much worse for them to be doing those kind of numbers.

Primal Slayer

11-12-2011, 06:55 PM

Are ratings levels/cancellations relative to the network the program airs on? Glee apparently dipped to 5-6 million viewers(this past ep.) and all these sites say it's in danger. Now on The CW, Vampire Diaries doesn't even break 2 million and it seems just fine.

Every network has different averages they expect a show to get.

But Glee is still fine since a lot of different things factor into it besides the ratings. They still profit from the show going on tour and the cd sales. Now if all of those were to take a major hit along with the ratings then I would be worried. Plus they kind of screwed themselves over this year with this 3 episodes then a month hiatus. Its almost show suicide to do that at a beginning of a season. Especially when you have nothing to entice the audience with to want to stick around.

New Girl went from 10 million viewers its first 3 episodes down to 6 million post hiatus.

NBC is just screwed anyway with their comedies. All they really have that keeps them alive is that they are critically acclaimed. They all get horrid ratings for the network.

Even CW had to change it up since Melrose Place got cancelled for averaging 1.8 million viewers an episode, flashfoward a year and half later and majority of their shows cant even break 2 million and are lucky if they get 1.8 million viewers.

Sawyer

11-12-2011, 07:03 PM

Fox totally shafted New Girl. They did'nt even put the word out that there would be a hiatus for the show until a few days before it didn't air. It was lame. :o

Pink Ranger

11-12-2011, 07:30 PM

Yeah, the ratings are relative to the network that the program is on. CBS would have cancelled Glee with 5-6 million viewers. :o

CBS would have cancelled Glee because it doesn't do well in their covetted 68-145 demographic.

Prison Mike

11-12-2011, 09:31 PM

CBS would have cancelled Glee because it doesn't do well in their covetted 68-145 demographic.

:hehe:

Sawyer

11-12-2011, 09:39 PM

And because Murphy and the writers, all flaws aside, have actual comedic chops just in terms of dialog. Half of the references would go way over the CBS audience's heads and they'd flip back to Chuck Lorre's little quips about women being easy or whatever other kind of ****e he's churning out. :o

JustABill

11-13-2011, 01:16 AM

Well, Glee is sort of really in rough shape right now. The iTunes single sales are down tremendously. The ratings are down. The tour movie that came out this summer bombed. The Glee Project was expected to be much much much bigger ratings wise than it was.

The only thing that keeps me from thinking it's sure fire cancellation material at the end of the season is that they are auditioning for a second season of The Glee Project right now. Don't know how the hell you'd explain to a bunch of people the show they auditioned for and competed for a part on no longer exists.

Sawyer

11-13-2011, 01:25 AM

If everything else regarding the show was going downhill, I really doubt that Fox would keep the show around just for the sake of the people auditioning for that reality show.

Honestly, though, would it be the worst thing in the world if the show ended this season? Half, if not more, of the lead characters are graduating. What are we left with then? Either a slew of new characters that could end up being awful or a completely ridiculous reason for keeping all of the characters around. Flawed as this show may be, I don't want to see this end up like The Office or Scrubs. End it with Graduation/Nationals.

Sawyer

11-14-2011, 07:27 PM

Lauren Potter appointed to Presidential Committee (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2011/11/14/lauren-potter-appointed-for-obama-committee/)

:up:

Specter313

11-15-2011, 07:59 PM

Finn deserved that. For so many things and so overdue.

Schlosser85

11-15-2011, 08:02 PM

Yea. The fact that he didn't even grasp what the big deal was proves how big a doofus he is.

Speedball

11-15-2011, 08:08 PM

Ugh... I can't find the music for this episode anywhere online.

That Hall and Oates mash-up was... weird...
Everything else was fantastic.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 08:11 PM

I'm on the west coast. Was "Hot for Teacher" as great of a scene as it was in song? WAS IT?!?

Specter313

11-15-2011, 08:13 PM

I'm on the west coast. Was "Hot for Teacher" as great of a scene as it was in song? WAS IT?!?

I was "eh" on it, but man are you gonna love the last scene.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 08:20 PM

I assume you speak of the infamous slap?

Specter313

11-15-2011, 08:27 PM

Yep. Would you like it in gif form already?

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 08:28 PM

Nah. I'll wait to be surprised by it's gloriousness. But thanks. :up:

Dwarf lord

11-15-2011, 09:35 PM

I actually really liked this episode. Naya Rivera got to show off her acting chops, which is always welcome. I do have to admit that there's a lot of truth in this show, truth to the point where that it can be rather annoying to watch. Truth doesn't always make for good TV.

flickchick85

11-15-2011, 10:05 PM

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 10:08 PM

What the **** is Kurt wearing?

No, seriously, what THE **** is Kurt wearing? :o

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 10:15 PM

Rachel's comment right after "Hot for Teacher" is exactly why New Directions should never and will NEVER win under the leadership of Finnchel. Will needs to demote the **** out of those two.

iamlegend

11-15-2011, 10:30 PM

I'm now convinced that the writers simply want us to hate Finn. It's the only explanation.

Well, this was a much better episode than last week, imo. That Adele mash-up is now my favorite mash-up they've done. :up:

Meh. Damn near every character on the show has something irreparably wrong with them to the point that, three years in, it's borderline unbearable (and probably part of why ratings are down).

Even Santana, though now a victim, has been an absolutely awful human being during most of the show's run.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 10:33 PM

iamlegend

11-15-2011, 10:39 PM

Yeah, you guys are awfully quick to paint Finn as being the villain and, sure, maybe he is in this case. But lets not act like Santana didn't push him to that point.

I have a reaaaaally hard time feeling sorry for her.

Agreed. Though between the subject matter and the absolute hate of Finn from most in this thread... we will certainly be in the minority.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 10:41 PM

Well, I hate Finn as much as anyone. He's an ***hole, he's the epitome of a ballhog and... well, he's an ***hole twice-over. :o

But this wasn't one-sided in the least.

John Locke

11-15-2011, 10:47 PM

I missed part of the middle of the episode so correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not entirely sure that Finn told Sue's running mate about Santana. He generally had no idea what she was talking about.

iamlegend

11-15-2011, 10:49 PM

I missed part of the middle of the episode so correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not entirely sure that Finn told Sue's running mate about Santana. He generally had no idea what she was talking about.

The running mate got it through hearsay, from some student that happened to be in the hall or something. IDK. You've just got to write it off as standard Glee ridiculousness.

Dwarf lord

11-15-2011, 10:50 PM

John Locke

11-15-2011, 10:53 PM

Yeah but no one turned around or even looked like they were paying attention. So I took it as one of those conversations that occur in a pocket dimension that happens on tv shows.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 10:57 PM

Well these kids talk at full volume in the middle of crowded hallways. At some point, there's bound to be an eavesdropper or two.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 11:00 PM

Sorry. ignore this. I'm an idiot.

JustABill

11-15-2011, 11:12 PM

Wait. **** yes he did. You have no idea as a straight person what he did to Santana by discussing something like that in a crowded hallway. He completely destroyed her life. He deserved that every bit. There are some things you just don't discuss in hallways and because of that now Santana's life is completely ruined. You have no idea what it's like to be guarding a secret so close like that, that some people will judge you based on have put out there like that.

Sure, he had no idea that was coming, but still because of him it happened. Cause and effect and he totally deserved it. NO and I mean NO gay teenager. No matter how *****y, catty or despicable they are deserves to be outed to her entire state and frankly to say he didn't deserve that slap is a little offensive to me as a gay person. I'd punch the damn teeth out of someone if they did that to me.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 11:23 PM

I do apologize if I've offended you, Billy, because that wasn't my intention. Let me clarify. Finn's in no way a good guy or a victim in this situation, I know that. He did an awful thing. But I don't agree with Santana putting all the blame on him, either. She pushed him to a certain point and he pushed back. But he didn't go to that candidate running against Burt and Sue with that info about her. He didn't spraypaint homophobic words on her locker or release photos or video of her with Britt. Some nosy ***** decided to use that to help her dad/uncle or whatever win an election. Finn played his part in this getting out, there's no denying that. But he's not the cause of all of Santana's pain here, at least as far as I'm concerned. He's clearly not the hero here. But I don't think he's 100% the villain, either.

So, once again, I am truly sorry if I've offended you.

JustABill

11-15-2011, 11:27 PM

It's okay. We're cool. It's just the subject matter definitely hits home a bit. I mean it's a horrifying thing to think of being a gay teenager and have that happen and I'm pretty sure most gay teenagers would react the same way Santana did. If not worse.

I know he's not the full blame. And yes she pushed him, and what he said was particular true, but the outcome of what he said and what it brought on was far worse than the slew of fat jokes that Santana said to him.

Sawyer

11-15-2011, 11:31 PM

That's all true. And I'm sure Finn feels like utter **** about it, especially with everything he's been through with Kurt. I mean, crap, I feel like **** right now.

I'm sorry, Aesop, if you're reading this.

flickchick85

11-16-2011, 01:15 AM

Yeah, you guys are awfully quick to paint Finn as being the villain and, sure, maybe he is in this case. But lets not act like Santana didn't push him to that point.

I have a reaaaaally hard time feeling sorry for her.
Well first, flinging random insults and outing someone are not nearly in the same league. Not even close. Second, it's not even so much the fact that he outed her - I think it was an accident, though he was being ridiculously reckless in the hall. The worst part to me was his attitude afterwards. No remorse, no apologies. He clearly didn't care about what he'd done, at all. That just takes the douche-factor to level 10, imo.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 01:18 AM

That's true, too. I mean, there's a chance that he didn't know the extent of it, with the random girl selling Santana out for her uncle's campaign, but I doubt that's the case.

JustABill

11-16-2011, 02:10 AM

I still really really miss Lauren. I'd like to think she'd be there judging the hell out of everyone for going insane.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 02:15 AM

Wasn't she still supposed to have an arc this year? Or was that fifteen second appearance in the premiere her "arc"?

bane

11-16-2011, 02:52 AM

Best part this season, love that the story turned out this way, now we get to see more episodes with Naya Rivera the BEST singer and actress on the show.

DACrowe

11-16-2011, 03:33 AM

Primal Slayer

11-16-2011, 05:31 AM

Naya gave a soulful performance, but while I feel bad for Santana, and Finn was reckless for blurting that in the hallway, she's literally been a ***** to every character on the show not named Brittany for 3 years running and kept wanting to twist the knife in Finn the past few weeks which was....odd, considering he was never really a major threat or enemy before this episode.

Um....Santana has never said anything mean to Mike Chang! Which totally just appeared in my mind as interesting and odd.

And since they are on rival groups now who have to compete against each other, santana looks as him as the biggest enemy. He is the Shuester to her Sue.

While I am not majorly mad at what Finn did since it was an accident and I am sure he feels bad for it, it wasnt the smartest idea to even shout what he did in the hallway.

And while ya Santana was at the TOP of her game this episode in every way possible, I am hoping that all of this at least teaches her to be a bit just tiny bit nicer to people. I feel horrible for her for the story and all of ohio possibly finding out. But Santana wasnt even that mad at Finn for shouting what he did, she is just mad that since he shouted what he did it causing everyone and their mother to find out.

I wish we had or will see a scene with Santana apologizing to Rory for taking the dodgeball a bit to far. Sure she got caught up in the moment and didnt mean for Rory to bleed but even I had to cringe a little bit.

But Santana vs. Finn in this episode was HILAROUS espically when he and Rory tried to out insult Santana when she is the queen of insults. Also SUPER glad how Sue handled the situation.

I kind of had to role my eyes at Kurt for thinking what Brittany said about him was "bullying" since he knows that Brittany does not play the bully game, she believes what she says. And Kurt seems to have been declawed this season, guess the whole Karofsky thing made Kurt change his ways.

Also agree that Shue needs to do something about Finn/Rachels leadership of the Glee club, it aint getting them anywhere.

Funny little tidbit, 90210 also delt with their gay character getting outed to the entire world this episode due to a run for congress or whatever.

Speedball

11-16-2011, 10:25 AM

I can't find the music to this episode ANYWHERE, except for Itunes, of course. If I buy music on Itunes, will I be able to put it on a different mp3 player other than an ipod?

Hunter Rider

11-16-2011, 03:02 PM

Finn was careless but he was responding to continuous provocation and what he said was actually true, Santana's horrible attitude is based off the pent up frustration of living a lie, so everyone else has to take the brunt of her self anger and it finally came back and bit her on the ass, which is always the danger when you spend most of your life trying to make other people miserable, there is always someone with a bigger stick.

Hopefully this will give Santana the chance to grow as a character and become more than the neck popping sassy one liner girl.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 03:57 PM

No one deserves to be outed in as public a way as Santana was, and I think some people (probably including Finn) have a hard time understanding how devastatingly humiliating something like that is, especially when it happens in a cheap sleazy political ad that's gonna be running on TV day in and day out.

BUT, both Santana and Sue had the lesson coming sooner or later that you can't just go around being as mean to everyone as you want without it coming back to bite you in the ass.

Santana is a victim in the situation, but she's not an innocent victim. And as much of a big self-righteous, hypocritical, annoying doofus as I find Finn 99% of the time, he was biting back after a long string of provocations, and he didn't mean for anything to come of it. She pushed his buttons, so he pushed one of hers, it's not like he went to the National Enquirer and sold them a story about her lesbianism, he blurted something out too loudly and too publicly in the heat of an argument that Santana started, and he was overheard. IMO Finn, Sue, and Santana herself all bear some responsibility for the cluster****, but there's no singlehanded "bad guy" in the situation, except maybe Salazar (the pizza guy who ran the ad).

Primal Slayer

11-16-2011, 04:05 PM

I think this episode just had to much going on. They shouldve just dropped the Puck/Shelby storyline or President storyline for this episode and have it mainly feature Santana/Finn. I felt like there was a whole scene or two missing after santana ran out of Sues office.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 04:08 PM

Well, I'm assuming that all will carry over to the next episode. That will probably be mainly Santana.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 05:44 PM

Is anyone else kind of afraid that the Quinn/Shelby storyline will end with Quinn actually getting Beth back instead of realizing that what she's doing is wrong?

JustABill

11-16-2011, 05:46 PM

I don't think it's headed there. They already pretty much realize that it's an offensive plotline as is, hence Tina's storyline being dropped.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 05:48 PM

Tina had a storyline?

JustABill

11-16-2011, 05:53 PM

Jenna was mentioning over the summer that she had a plotline coming up influenced by her real life and being adopted. It has yet to happen and I assume it was suppose to be positive, but they must've cancelled it when they released it'd be countering the plotline of a teenage crazy ***** trying to get back the baby she gave up from a fit mother cause she's a selfish little girl who can't grow up.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 06:00 PM

It's too bad that this crazy, ****ty storyline negated one that would actually mirror one of the actor's personal lives. Not to mention that Tina literally gets nothing to do on a regular basis.

John Locke

11-16-2011, 06:03 PM

Is anyone else kind of afraid that the Quinn/Shelby storyline will end with Quinn actually getting Beth back instead of realizing that what she's doing is wrong?
Back when everyone thought Mercedes was going to be revealed as pregnant that Quinn would get Mercedes' baby or Shelby would get Mercedes' baby and Quinn would get Beth. I also thought that Rachel would also become pregnant.

Prison Mike

11-16-2011, 07:20 PM

Just watched the episode. It was fantastic. One of my favorite of the season. I feel bad about the way Santana's "secret" came out but she kind of deserved it. I mean she was relentlessly picking on Finn and the new Irish kid. She even made him bleed during the dodgeball game. Well, I shouldn't say Santana "deserved" it but she made it hard for me to feel sorry for her. I enjoyed Puck's storyline with Shelby. Overall, I've been enjoying the last few episodes since the show has come back from baseball.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 07:22 PM

Kurt coming to Rory's aid during the dodgeball game was probably my favorite Kurt moment of the season. Same goes for Rachel giving up the election.

Prison Mike

11-16-2011, 07:25 PM

I agree. I loved Kurt during that scene. You would think Santana had learned a thing or two after seeing the hell that Kurt went through with his bullying. But I guess not...

Hunter Rider

11-16-2011, 07:47 PM

Shelby is a Milf. :awesome:

What's the deal with the Irish kid? is he Sam's replacement?

No one deserves to be outed in as public a way as Santana was, and I think some people (probably including Finn) have a hard time understanding how devastatingly humiliating something like that is, especially when it happens in a cheap sleazy political ad that's gonna be running on TV day in and day out.

BUT, both Santana and Sue had the lesson coming sooner or later that you can't just go around being as mean to everyone as you want without it coming back to bite you in the ass.

Santana is a victim in the situation, but she's not an innocent victim. And as much of a big self-righteous, hypocritical, annoying doofus as I find Finn 99% of the time, he was biting back after a long string of provocations, and he didn't mean for anything to come of it. She pushed his buttons, so he pushed one of hers, it's not like he went to the National Enquirer and sold them a story about her lesbianism, he blurted something out too loudly and too publicly in the heat of an argument that Santana started, and he was overheard. IMO Finn, Sue, and Santana herself all bear some responsibility for the cluster****, but there's no singlehanded "bad guy" in the situation, except maybe Salazar (the pizza guy who ran the ad).

That's a great post, I think you have summed it up better than anyone in this thread.

Primal Slayer

11-16-2011, 08:48 PM

I agree. I loved Kurt during that scene. You would think Santana had learned a thing or two after seeing the hell that Kurt went through with his bullying. But I guess not...

I dont think Santana meant for Rory to bleed and she doesnt treat him as badly as what Kurt has gone through. They have had 2 interactions thus far and I doubt they will have anymore up until the episode he leaves.

I dont know how I feel aboutt his new pacifist Kurt. After 2 seasons of him going off at the mouth and now he wants to be all innocent and kind and thinking that Brittany is bullying him by the unicorn thing...I just dont know.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 08:54 PM

What's the deal with the Irish kid? is he Sam's replacement?

Sam will be back the episode after next.

As for Santana learning from Kurt being bullied, and Kurt being "pacifist", I frankly don't think Santana really cares about Kurt, or anyone besides herself and Brittany, so I don't think she's very affected by the bullying Kurt experienced, and I don't really think Kurt's "pacifist", I think he's just gotten more mature.

RockSP

11-16-2011, 09:14 PM

Not to mention that Tina literally gets nothing to do on a regular basis.

Since they decided she and Artie are juniors, maybe she will finally get a storyline in season 4...

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 09:17 PM

If there will be a season 4. :o

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 09:51 PM

Blaine, Artie, and Tina are not enough to carry a show. The only one who even has a big fanbase is Blaine.

Glee without Finchel and Kurt is not Glee.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 09:56 PM

Once upon a time, I think the show might have been able to carry on with a new cast, but the ratings are plummeting as we speaking. If the ratings are getting this low with the original cast more or less intact, bringing new folks in won't help matters.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 10:08 PM

Retconning Blaine's age to make him a junior is as transparent a move to keep Darren Criss on the show for another season as they come, but IMO the general audience likes Blaine best as half of Klaine. He's not enough of a stand-alone character to hold up Season 4.

Much less Artie and Tina. Artie doesn't have an especially large fanbase, and Tina is barely even a character at this point. Frankly, most people don't care about Tina because the writers don't give us any reason to be invested in her.

The biggest draws are Rachel, Finn, and Kurt. They could have very easily made Kurt a junior and probably Rachel too, so it's a little mind-boggling why they insisted on explicitly making 2/3 of the cast seniors.

If Kurt, Rachel, and Finn completely leave the show, Glee will not last. Mark my words.

It's a shame Season 3's ratings are so down though, as so far I'm actually liking it better than Season 2.

Primal Slayer

11-16-2011, 10:27 PM

Well FOX needs to do some major promoting, get the cast on some magazine covers talking about the show, and start taking some of the focus away from Finn/Kurt/Rachel. I would say start giving it to Santana/Mercedes/Tina/Artie/Blaine but two of them wont be around either. They also need to do a BIG storyline that will draw people in again.

Anyone know how the DVR numbers are?

Also heard Rumor Has It on the radio and soooo happy, along with it being #1. The acapella version is just as good.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 10:37 PM

Well they just set up what could be a major storyline for Santana, and the last episode gave a little more of a Blaine storyline with him going back to Dalton and getting hit on by Sebastian, but I need to see Blaine get independent attention more consistently before I give the writers credit for developing his character. They need more scenes like that for him to be a fully-fledged character unto himself instead of an accessory to Kurt.

RockSP

11-16-2011, 10:42 PM

Blaine, Artie, and Tina are not enough to carry a show. The only one who even has a big fanbase is Blaine.

Glee without Finchel and Kurt is not Glee.

Yeah, I'm not as into the show as some of you are. I'd be fine with new characters. Obviously they'd have to add more since 3 kids can't make up the club.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 10:46 PM

I worry the writers are going to stay heavily focused on Rachel/Finn/Kurt because it's their last year, but won't think ahead and realize people won't be as invested in Blaine/Artie/Tina if they remain side characters until Episode 1 of Season 4.

Let's see another Artie-centric episode like "Wheels", let's see Tina's adoption storyline, let's see Blaine's relationship or lack thereof with his father.

Give the audience a reason to care about the kids who are gonna be staying on next year.

Sawyer

11-16-2011, 10:46 PM

Whether or not this comes back for a fourth season (and I'm leaning toward the latter), I just want closure at the end of the season.

Schlosser85

11-16-2011, 10:55 PM

Personally I think having 2/3 of the original cast graduate and trying to continue on is a huge misfire. Instead of the show trying to drag itself on with an almost completely new cast that nobody cares about, I'd rather they just have them win Nationals their last year, had all of New Directions graduate together, leave Blaine a senior and let him and Kurt and Rachel go off to New York, bring some closure to Santana/Brittany, etc., and just let it end gracefully.

Mogwai

11-16-2011, 11:05 PM

i think fox will fund glee (despite ratings) until it's viable for syndication.

Primal Slayer

11-16-2011, 11:19 PM

Schlosser85

11-17-2011, 06:21 AM

Naya/Kevin obviously like each other in BTS videos, and so do Darren/Harry and Darren/Heather, so let's use some of that chemistry instead of only ever Naya/Heather and Darren/Chris or occasionally Darren/Lea.

The writers have trouble thinking outside their boxes and having characters interact with multiple people instead of just their designated BFF or romantic partner.

And for goodness sake, give Tina something to do besides sit in the choir room and occasionally say a line or two to Mike. Right now she's the most non-entity on the show. Even Mike has gotten more development than her.

marvelman2006

11-17-2011, 02:07 PM

This show should have just done it the saved by the bell route and never mention what grade there in. The creators really put themselves in the corner by not making the kids freshman and atleast getting 4 seasons out of the show. I like glee but unless they center the show back to mr shue and making it about him and the glee club like the pilot indicated it would be then it will get canceled next season. What are they gonna do follow finn, rachael and kurt out of high school, then you couldnt call the show glee.

Sawyer

11-17-2011, 04:37 PM

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-adele-rumor-has-it-someone-like-you/
Glee Enjoys Adele-Fueled Music Resurgence, Plans Cover of Rihanna's 'We Found Love'

It would appear rumors of Glee‘s eroding influence on the music biz have been greatly exaggerated.

After experiencing a West Side Story-fueled dry spell on the charts this fall (during which the show mostly churned out spirited but not exactly Billboard-friendly covers from the classic musical), the Fox hit staged an impressive comeback this week.

For starters, a mash-up of Adele’s “Rumor Has It”/”Someone Like You” from Tuesday’s episode skyrocketed to No. 1 on iTunes and has yet to be dethroned. (One source says it’s on track to become Glee‘s best-selling track since last season’s Gwyneth Paltrow-crooned “Forget You.”)

Additionally, the show’s new holiday album — Glee: The Music, The Christmas Album, Vol. 2 — currently ranks No. 4 on the album chart and is selling at a similar rate as last year’s successful Xmas disc (which moved nearly 1 million copies in six weeks).

And look for the momentum to continue into the new year. TVLine has learned the upcoming episodes will feature covers of Rihanna’s current No. 1 smash “We Found Love” and Michael Jackson’s “Man in the Mirror,” as well as what promises to be a *****in’ Troubletones mash-up of Gloria Gaynor’s ’70s anthem “I Will Survive” and Destiny’s Child’s “I’m a Survivor.”

Yeeeesss!!!!

Sawyer

11-17-2011, 04:38 PM

flash13

11-17-2011, 04:45 PM

Awesome! I've been wanting them to do that song since the beginning! I hope it's Artie on lead vocals.

DACrowe

11-17-2011, 05:24 PM

We didnt care about these characters when we were first introduced to them so it would be the same with an all new cast. Which I am fine with as long as the characters are good enough.

I just hate that they chose the wrong people to be seniors/juniors.

And I want Blaine to branch out of being just aroudn Kurt and Rachel. I miss Kurts relationship with Mercedes which was thrown away just to make way for Rachel. Just like I want Santana to evolve outside of Brittany. They dont always have to be aruond each other, seeing her hang with Blaine or Artie (Naya/Kevin are great together in BTS videos).

The difference is S1 of Glee was a new show. Now, when we think Glee we think these characters (as well as Sue Sylvester and Will Schuester, of course). I know I don't really want to invest in a whole new class. However, this is partially due to the fact that Season 1 was really good....in fact it was great. So, I stuck around for Season 2 as it it slowly went downhill like a freight train. I'm kind of forcing myself to watch Season 3 just to see (most) of the cast off to graduation. I doubt I'll be back for S4. Especially if the writing remains where it's been for the las 9 months or so.

Schlosser85

11-17-2011, 05:38 PM

I actually think so far the conflicts Season 3 has done so far (The Troubletones, NYADA, Senior Class President, the West Side Story auditions, etc.) are more creative and more like day-to-day things high school kids might actually deal with than recycling Finn/Rachel/Quinn love triangles and coming up with three episode guest love interests to keep Wemma apart like Season 2 did (with the exception of Sebastian, who even my mom thought was pointless and annoying).

I also don't think there's anything especially unrealistic about Mercedes defecting to The Troubletones, or Puck and Shelby becoming attracted to each other. And as tired as Sue's shtick is, her running for Congress and Burt running against her at least gives her something better to do than forming a "League of Doom" that does absolutely nothing or trying to pit the glee kids against each other for the 1,000th time.

Wemma are together, and Blaine is in New Directions, both of which most everyone knew were gonna happen sooner or later, so now that Episode 3x01 neatly got those developments out of the way, we can move forward and actually use them in the narrative.

The only really tiresome thing in Season 3 to me so far is the way Quinn has gone bat**** insane.

JustABill

11-17-2011, 05:42 PM

Sebastian was entirely needed. Klaine is so boring and one note. They need something, anything to spice them up. Blaine and Kurt are fine seperately, but together it's just all their scenes are snooze fests. They have no drama or anything trying to tear them apart without someone coming in between them. They should have a triangle just like all the straight couples. And I've still yet to see any real chemistry beween Darren and Chris because that's just that. They have none. So if for some brief period of time they are seperated by Sebastian or Dave or hell anybody. Thank the lord.

But I agree Season 3 > Season 2. The plots are much better. The song choices leaves a little to be desired, but ultimately I'm not wanting to throw **** at my TV every other five minutes like I was in season 2.

Schlosser85

11-17-2011, 05:46 PM

You say po-tay-to and I say po-tah-to...

Sawyer

11-17-2011, 05:50 PM

So long as they don't seperate one character from the rest of the cast for a prolonged period of time like they did last year, I'd absolutely have to say that this season is better than the last.

Schlosser85

11-17-2011, 05:58 PM

But I agree Season 3 > Season 2. The plots are much better. The song choices leaves a little to be desired, but ultimately I'm not wanting to throw **** at my TV every other five minutes like I was in season 2.

I don't know, the number of songs from Season 3 making it onto my iTunes is about the same as Seasons 1 and 2. So far I've got "We Got the Beat", "It's Not Unusual", "You Can't Stop the Beat", "Spotlight" (which for whatever reason I find ridiculously catchy and just listened to about a minute ago), "Fix You", "Last Friday Night" (which is a ridiculously fun song either by Katy or Darren), "Candyman" (which was a ridiculously fun performance), and "Rumour Has It/Someone Like You", which I think is right up with "Umbrella/Singing in the Rain" for my all-time favorite Glee mash-up.

But none of the West Side Story songs did anything for me, and neither did "I'm the Greatest Star", "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead", Rachel and Mercedes' "diva-off", "Hot for Teacher" (although onscreen it was fun), or any of the mash-ups last episode besides the Adele one.

TMC1982

11-18-2011, 03:03 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/17/glee-ratings-decline-d oes-shows-audience-prefer-less-sex-more-music/

Fox News thinks so, pointing out that ratings have dropped since Ryan Murphy decided this season to emphasize heavier storylines over musical tributes.

Sawyer

11-18-2011, 02:46 PM

So, in other words, the audience prefers style over substance. Good to know. :o

Hunter Rider

11-18-2011, 03:17 PM

Murphy has himself to blame though, Season 1 started out as a great balance of both, however season 2 was filled with theme based episodes and making the actions of the characters more and more outlandish to the point it was hard to take any of the more dramatic moments seriously.

Now people have gotten to the point where they tune in just for a laugh and lots of catchy songs, so the moment he tries to reign things in and add a bit of heart and depth back it turns the audience off.

Schlosser85

11-18-2011, 04:56 PM

I would agree with the above.

Majik1387

11-18-2011, 05:05 PM

Eh, I don't see a problem with the show as it is now.

Primal Slayer

11-18-2011, 09:27 PM

So im guessing noone here has heard about sam's new job that he takes up to help his family im guessing?

Sawyer

11-18-2011, 09:36 PM

I've heard nothing. But knowing this show's love of conflict....... something that makes him go head to head with New Directions?

spideyboy_1111

11-18-2011, 09:50 PM

So long as they don't seperate one character from the rest of the cast for a prolonged period of time like they did last year, I'd absolutely have to say that this season is better than the last.

im actually loving this season so far. the show is obviously trying to figure out what it is.. and this season seems to be about balancing story and song. After all... the best numbers usually are the ones that have some sort of emotion to the theme of the episode, weather they be joyous or somber.

i've got to say though, on the dramatic side, this episode is FAR FAR better written than the previous. there's been several episodes so far this season where i'm like... DAMN! that was a good episode.

John Locke

11-18-2011, 09:58 PM

Uh.... Chewbacca was on set today. Apparently one of the kids has a Star Wars Christmas Special dream.

JustABill

11-18-2011, 10:21 PM

Yep. Chewbacca will probably be all over the ads for the Christmas episode. ''GLEE! MUSIC! DRAMA!......CHEWBACCA?"

Prison Mike

11-18-2011, 10:28 PM

So im guessing noone here has heard about sam's new job that he takes up to help his family im guessing?

I've heard nothing. But knowing this show's love of conflict....... something that makes him go head to head with New Directions?

What's Sam's new job? Any spoilers about him would be great. I missed him! :csad:

Mogwai

11-18-2011, 10:47 PM

Finn and Rachel supposedly find Sam working as a stripper.

John Locke

11-18-2011, 10:59 PM

Wow. Wouldn't think Pa Kent would allow that.

Sawyer

11-18-2011, 11:03 PM

Finn and Rachel supposedly find Sam working as a stripper.

That's....... dark.

Poor kid. :csad:

Mogwai

11-18-2011, 11:27 PM

that's mr. murphy's revenge on him for leaving the show.

Sawyer

11-18-2011, 11:42 PM

Murphy can think of more effed up stuff to do to a character than that. The man created Nip/Tuck.

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 12:03 AM

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 12:17 AM

Turning Blaine and Sam against one another? :huh: I don't even see how they will go about doing that..... they're literally the two most inoffensive characters on the show. Unless.....

Sam: "I'm the nice guy!"
Blaine: "No, I'm the nice guy now!"
Sam: "Well, **** you! ......... I'm sorry, that was mean."
Blaine: "That's alright....... but I'm the nicer guy, because I never would've said that. :o"

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 12:23 AM

I don't know what it would even take to really get Blaine riled....burn his entire bowtie collection, or something.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 12:26 AM

Well he did shove a guy twice his size for threatening his boyfriend, so I guess that's one thing. But, yeah, otherwise....

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 12:28 AM

Yea that was an atypical (and frankly a little inconsistent characterization-wise) burst of aggression from Blaine, but I don't know how seriously to take that, considering that whole episode was a bunch of cracky filler.

I mean, I'm sure Blaine would jump to Kurt's defense if someone really harassed Kurt in front of him, but Sam doesn't care that Kurt's gay and went mano-a-mano with Karofsky in his defense, so it can't be anything like that.

It would make more sense if it was Sam and Blaine allied against Finn, considering they share the "nice new guy" deal and Finn has been a royal dick to both of them.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 12:31 AM

True..... I believe that was the first and last episode to involve Sue's League of Doom. What an arc that was.... :o

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 12:35 AM

That entire episode was completely pointless. They brought back characters like Sunshine, Goolsby, and Sandy Ryerson who hadn't been around for so long most people probably didn't remember who the hell they were, and the two main plotlines (benefit concert and League of Doom) both accomplished absolutely nothing.

Literally the only relevant things that happened are Will and Holly broke up and we found out Carl and Emma got annulled. Oh and we got a perfunctory Karofsky appearance after being MIA for about five episodes to remind people he existed.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 12:35 AM

It would make more sense if it was Sam and Blaine allied against Finn, considering they share the "nice new guy" deal and Finn has been a royal dick to both of them.
I'm actually waiting for an episode where the team full-on revolts against Finchel's leadership. Like, an actual Glee mutiny.

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 12:37 AM

Given how dickish he's been to Blaine, who's been totally inoffensive to him at every turn, I'd actually like it if Blaine really would snatch his position out from under him.

Any of the guys except Mike are better singers than Finn, and while Rachel has a great voice, so do Mercedes, Santana, and Tina the one or two times a season we get to hear her sing.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 12:41 AM

I don't even know if you can exclude Mike from the list of people who are better singers than Finn anymore... Cool was pretty fantastic IMO.

Mogwai

11-19-2011, 01:10 AM

In other news, Darren Criss made People Magazine's sexiest man alive issue:

http://youtu.be/rlbrxWprC9w

(some video of his shirtless photo shoot)

Mogwai

11-19-2011, 01:34 AM

True..... I believe that was the first and last episode to involve Sue's League of Doom. What an arc that was.... :o
c'mon terri (aka honey badger) hung around for a couple more episodes.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 01:43 AM

I genuinely don't even remember what she did in that time. I really mean that. I literally cannot remember.

Primal Slayer

11-19-2011, 04:19 AM

http://i.imgur.com/GTknJ.gif

Havok83

11-19-2011, 07:36 AM

I wish I could say I feel sorry for Santana but I dont. After the way she ripped into Finn and the new kid, any sympathy I might have had went out the window. She needed to be brought down a peg or 2. Too bad for her she got knocked down like 10

Prison Mike

11-19-2011, 09:24 AM

Finn and Rachel supposedly find Sam working as a stripper.

What?! Why would they bring him back just to ruin the character? Murphy needs to save his weird storylines for American Horror Story. :o

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 10:18 AM

I genuinely don't even remember what she did in that time. I really mean that. I literally cannot remember.

That's because she really didn't do anything. She and Sue had a coffee rendezvous with Sue dressed like David Bowie, she and Howard Bamboo hacked Figgins' e-mail to reroute New Directions' plane from NYC to Tripoli, but then for no particular reason she had a change of heart and got them first class tickets to New York and moved to Miami.

I hope Jessalyn didn't get too excited thinking she was getting an actual storyline again.

Also, am I the only one who smells "plot device to have Chord Overstreet shirtless every episode again" about Sam's new job?

Primal Slayer

11-19-2011, 02:54 PM

So this person is making gif. episodes of Gloria (Modern Family) as Santanas mom. Pretty funny.
http://nayas-overalls.tumblr.com/tagged/~

Majik1387

11-19-2011, 03:05 PM

Love it. I actually laughed a decent amount of times. :yay:

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 03:06 PM

That's insane.

If Gloria was her mom, she wouldn't have needed the implants. :o

Dwarf lord

11-19-2011, 09:33 PM

Also there is apparently a conflict between Sam and Blaine that leads to Blaine and Finn "joining forces".

Sam and Blaine generally seem like among the more easygoing characters on the show, so I'm a little curious why they clash enough for Blaine to join Team Finn.

That does leave me scratching my head a bit. However, I do want Blaine to actually do something on the show besides sing and be Kurt's boyfriend. While I'm not opposed to their relationship by any means, I think Blaine's starting to get stale and I think that it's because Murphy has no clue what to do with him now. Which is unfortunate, because it seems like they're grooming him to become one of the main characters.

Give him some family drama, give him a friend give him something

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 11:06 PM

There is literally no concievable reason that Sam and Blaine would turn on one another. I sense a whole lot of OOC **** headed our way.

Pink Ranger

11-19-2011, 11:09 PM

There is literally no concievable reason that Sam and Blaine would turn on one another. I sense a whole lot of OOC **** headed our way.

They belong to opposing gangs: The Wide Toothy Grins versus the Pouty Half-Smiles. It makes the Blood and Crips look like Sesame Street.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 11:21 PM

They belong to opposing gangs: The Wide Toothy Grins versus the Pouty Half-Smiles. It makes the Blood and Crips look like Sesame Street.

I forgot this was Glee and not Nip/Tuck for a second, and imagined Blaine leading an army of people who've been given perma-smiles like Jack Nicholson's Joker, and Sam leading an army of people whose lips have been collagened into oblivion. That **** is scary.

Pink Ranger

11-19-2011, 11:26 PM

I forgot this was Glee and not Nip/Tuck for a second, and imagined Blaine leading an army of people who've been given perma-smiles like Jack Nicholson's Joker, and Sam leading an army of people whose lips have been collagened into oblivion. That **** is scary.

To get the same effect, just watch Real Housewives of Orange County and Real Housewives of Atlanta back to back.

Sawyer

11-19-2011, 11:29 PM

Well, see, I didn't say anything about spray-tanning.... :o

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 11:42 PM

They belong to opposing gangs: The Wide Toothy Grins versus the Pouty Half-Smiles. It makes the Blood and Crips look like Sesame Street.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ky96qWMmk7c/TVchHzNcATI/AAAAAAAABzU/1MF5c9JETKM/s1600/7678_Darren_Criss_Nov16m.jpg

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/chord-overstreet-gq-2010-men-year-party-0eZHXf.jpg

Schlosser85

11-19-2011, 11:44 PM

I think he's really just a nice, sunny-dispositioned, (very, very) enthusiastic young man, but there 100% seriously are some pictures of Darren where he looks absolutely bat**** insane.

Dwarf lord

11-20-2011, 12:58 AM

Have you seen the Harry Potter musicals? He is absolutely bat**** insane. Which is why I'm a fan... haha.

Mogwai

11-20-2011, 04:35 PM

Have you seen the Harry Potter musicals? He is absolutely bat**** insane. Which is why I'm a fan... haha.

i'm going to check them out.

Schlosser85

11-20-2011, 05:38 PM

Darren Criss in Imogene with Kristen Wiig could also be...interesting. Lots of potential for crazy there if you ask me.

Dwarf lord

11-20-2011, 06:17 PM

i'm going to check them out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM_AKeMCk

He wrote most of the music as well

Mogwai

11-20-2011, 06:46 PM

^Thanks!

RockSP

11-21-2011, 04:13 PM

Uh.... Chewbacca was on set today. Apparently one of the kids has a Star Wars Christmas Special dream.

Gotta be Sam. I'm surprised they never made any Luke Skywalker jokes before now.

Speedball

11-21-2011, 04:21 PM

Would be awesome to see Sam and Schue try to write a Star Wars musical for the spring play. :awesome:

mr. peasant

11-21-2011, 04:39 PM

I want this. :D

lk5_OSsawz4

Pink Ranger

11-21-2011, 05:36 PM

Would be awesome to see Sam and Schue try to write a Star Wars musical for the spring play. :awesome:

There's already a song they can use:

VXcb7VPw59s

Speedball

11-21-2011, 05:47 PM

I was thinking they could use songs that portray the characters, like Back in Black by AC/DC for Darth Vader.

Sawyer

11-21-2011, 06:11 PM

A Donny and Marie song for Luke and Leia...... played by Finn and Rachel. :o

Speedball

11-21-2011, 06:23 PM

A Donny and Marie song for Luke and Leia...... played by Finn and Rachel. :o

Sam should play Luke, and Rachel should be Leia.
Mike can be Lando, Puck is Vader, Finn is Han, Kurt is C3PO, Artie is R2, Blaine is Obi-Wan, with Brittany, Santana, and Mercedes as the Cantina Band or Jabba's Lady band, and Tina as Wedge (cause she shows up and only has a few lines every few episodes.:o).

Sawyer

11-21-2011, 06:25 PM

Puck needs to be Han. Finn can be unnamed Stormtrooper number 1. :o

As for Tina.......... sad, but true. :csad:

Speedball

11-21-2011, 06:30 PM

Puck needs to be Han. Finn can be unnamed Stormtrooper number 1. :o

As for Tina.......... sad, but true. :csad:
Fine, Finn is TK-427. :hehe:
Quinn can be Vader or Tarkin :hehe:
Rory... Boba Fett?! :shock

CaptainCanada

11-21-2011, 08:29 PM

Mogwai

11-21-2011, 10:07 PM

Latest ratings information (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/21/live7-dvr-ratings-modern-family-tops-absolute-gains-house-tops-gains-in-week-7/111359/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumb ers%29) for Pot 'o Gold. The show gained nearly 3 million viewers when +7 DVR figures were factored in.
I'm glad to hear this. Nearly everyone I know watches their shows on their DVR to avoid commercials. Glee is my favorite show and it's depressing to hear about all poor ratings talk every week.

Mogwai

11-21-2011, 10:11 PM

Fine, Finn is TK-427. :hehe:
Vader can be Quinn or Tarkin :hehe:
Rory... Boba Fett?! :shock
No, Finn is Chewbacca ;)

JustABill

11-21-2011, 11:10 PM

I'm glad to hear this. Nearly everyone I know watches their shows on their DVR to avoid commercials. Glee is my favorite show and it's depressing to hear about all poor ratings talk every week.
I figured this was the case. More and more people are not necessarily thinking of the show as watch it live entertainment. So to hear it's gaining that many viewers from DVR is great.

Primal Slayer

11-22-2011, 05:26 AM

Santana/Finn wont be at odds for very long. Looks like they are wrapping those two up next episode.

Prison Mike

11-22-2011, 09:07 AM

No, Finn is Chewbacca ;)

:up:

Matt

11-22-2011, 09:20 AM

I'm glad to hear this. Nearly everyone I know watches their shows on their DVR to avoid commercials. Glee is my favorite show and it's depressing to hear about all poor ratings talk every week.

Unfortunately, networks do not give a damn about DVR ratings for the exact reason you mentioned. People skip commercials (which is how networks make money).

Of course, Glee fans have nothing to worry about. Firstly, the 18-49 demographic isn't too bad. But more importantly, this show stopped being a show after the first season's midway break. It became a brand. Fox is interested in one thing with Glee and it isn't ratings or quality. It is marketing. As long as they can continue to market the hell out of it and make money, this show will go no where.

bane

11-22-2011, 02:18 PM

My new avatar just became hotter?!

spideyboy_1111

11-22-2011, 05:56 PM

Unfortunately, networks do not give a damn about DVR ratings for the exact reason you mentioned. People skip commercials (which is how networks make money).

Of course, Glee fans have nothing to worry about. Firstly, the 18-49 demographic isn't too bad. But more importantly, this show stopped being a show after the first season's midway break. It became a brand. Fox is interested in one thing with Glee and it isn't ratings or quality. It is marketing. As long as they can continue to market the hell out of it and make money, this show will go no where.

thing is, glee like you said is a brand. It's not just selling ad space on the network anymore. It's selling CD's, DVD's, and concert tickets. If anything, at this point they care less about commercial space, and more about every other aspect and promotion. The bottom line is more fans (viewers) = more money for fox.

mr. peasant

11-22-2011, 07:24 PM

thing is, glee like you said is a brand. It's not just selling ad space on the network anymore. It's selling CD's, DVD's, and concert tickets. If anything, at this point they care less about commercial space, and more about every other aspect and promotion. The bottom line is more fans (viewers) = more money for fox.

Which would make things interesting since Glee would be one of the first shows where Fox (or any other company) would be aiming to appease the hardcore fans since they are the major revenue source (song downloads, album sales, concerts, etc) versus advertising dollars.

Mogwai

11-22-2011, 11:03 PM

well, that's good news to me. :)

Sawyer

11-22-2011, 11:52 PM

We haven't seen Jacob Ben Isreal in awhile. Any chance the character is.... I dunno..... dead? :o

Mogwai

11-23-2011, 12:00 AM

what about sandy ryerson?

Sawyer

11-23-2011, 12:05 AM

He's the one who killed him. And now he's on the run.

Schlosser85

11-23-2011, 11:03 AM

I Kissed a Girl performance:

http://perezhilton.com/tv/EXCLUSIVE_The_Ladies_of_GLEE_Perform_I_Kissed_A_Gi rl/?id=9400975a38837&autoplay=true

Primal Slayer

11-23-2011, 11:46 AM

Veryvery nice. Though someone brought up how it sucks for Tina that they are redoing 2 songs taht she already "sang"

Pink Ranger

11-23-2011, 11:50 AM

Veryvery nice. Though someone brought up how it sucks for Tina that they are redoing 2 songs taht she already "sang"

They're retroactively trying to erase her from existence.

Primal Slayer

11-23-2011, 11:51 AM

Well she is asain afterall.

and looks like Sugar Motta is trying to get in on that Brittana action lol, to bad she will probably be leaving after both groups are combined again.

CaptainCanada

11-23-2011, 12:12 PM

I hope they keep Sugar around. She's easily the best new character they've added in a long time.

I like how they took a song that would rub a lot of their fanbase the wrong way and then packed it full of fanservice targeted at that same segment of the fanbase.

Prison Mike

11-23-2011, 12:30 PM

Great performance. Perfect song for Santana.

Mogwai

11-23-2011, 04:15 PM

You think she will become a character like Jacob and Lauren that just pops up every now & then for a laugh? "Sorry, Asperger's.."

Primal Slayer

11-23-2011, 04:18 PM

Most likely. Though I have seen a couple of characters that they should keep around for next season that I would enjoy watching more of.

Sebastian/Sugar/Blaine/Artie/Tina would make for a good start up glee club and then introduce newer characters for ND in season4.

flash13

11-25-2011, 09:14 AM

Episode 7 songs
http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/episode/i-kissed-girl

Schlosser85

11-25-2011, 10:52 PM

All except "Perfect", which Rolling Stone is releasing separately on Monday.

Mogwai

11-26-2011, 02:42 AM

Sebastian/Sugar/Blaine/Artie/Tina would make for a good start up glee club and then introduce newer characters for ND in season4.
And Sam!

Primal Slayer

11-26-2011, 05:11 AM

If they make him in a junior. But then that would also have to involve his parents moving back unless Shuester adopts him or something...

Mogwai

11-26-2011, 09:47 AM

If they make him in a junior.
i'm sure he will be.

Schlosser85

11-26-2011, 10:39 AM

Blaine and Artie singing "Control"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmOA89XU6g&feature=player_embedded

Mogwai

11-26-2011, 12:17 PM

Tina (yes, Tina) singing lead on "ABC"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTHuXCRJVA

Prison Mike

11-26-2011, 12:22 PM

Tina and Mike singing lead in a song?! :woot:

Primal Slayer

11-26-2011, 12:54 PM

Im sorry while I like ABC, if ND wins with this song, it will be a wtf?

Mogwai

11-26-2011, 01:00 PM

Im sorry while I like ABC, if ND wins with this song, it will be a wtf?
I know, but they're singing "Control" and "Man in The Mirror" too.

flash13

11-26-2011, 01:41 PM

Man in The Mirror
http://brokenshutters.tumblr.com/post/13358352963/glee-cast-man-in-the-mirror

Pink Ranger

11-26-2011, 01:56 PM

Tina and Mike singing lead in a song?! :woot:

It makes sense that they sing ABC, because it seems they're the only students at that school that can read and count.

Prison Mike

11-26-2011, 03:29 PM

It makes sense that they sing ABC, because it seems they're the only students at that school that can read and count.

That's because they're Asian! :oldrazz:

Mogwai

11-26-2011, 05:55 PM

Man in The Mirror
http://brokenshutters.tumblr.com/post/13358352963/glee-cast-man-in-the-mirror
loove this!!

Dwarf lord

11-27-2011, 10:08 PM

I just re-watched most of the season on hulu this weekend in place of a new episode and honestly, I kind of miss Blaine being on the Warblers. I don't think the show has used him very well in the New Directions. I'm not saying he needs to be the star of every episode, but we haven't really seen him interact with anyone besides Kurt or have a semi-one sided fight with Finn. I'd love to see him develop friendships on the team. Maybe with Artie or Mike Chang.

Also, last season sectionals was around this time and if they go with similar episode numbers, it should be coming up in like 3 episodes. Now as far as I can tell, the New Directions needs two more members to make a team. Are they going to have to get Jacob Ben Israel to fill in or maybe Lauren again (I really miss her). Sam will probably come in and join though, I'm not sure if before sectionals though. And the Troubletones are in even worse shape with only seven members. The way the school has been portrayed, I doubt that there are seven more students who want to join a Glee club...

However, I guarantee that they will all get back together most likely sooner rather than later. The way Ryan Murphy is it will probably happen off-screen probably next episode...

Mogwai

11-27-2011, 10:20 PM

the "sectionals" episode will be the episode after next (will air dec. 6th). i don't know about the troubletones, but new directions gets some help from their bandmembers.

Dwarf lord

11-27-2011, 10:37 PM

the "sectionals" episode will be the episode after next (will air dec. 6th). i don't know about the troubletones, but new directions gets some help from their bandmembers.

That's good to hear. It'll be nice to see the bandmembers get a little bit of spotlight. They've been around since the beginning, right? I'm also really glad to hear they aren't forgetting the 12 member rule for plot convenience. But that doesn't change the fact that the entire New Directions will be back together by the end of the season.

I hope Rory sticks around, I kind of like him. I hope they don't make the seven episode reward actually dictate the plot of the show. If Ryan wants to keep him for more episodes (through the end of the season and beyond), he should be able to. Same with the other Glee Project winners. As unlikely as it is I hope we get to see more of Harmony too (past her second episode). She has a gorgeous voice and would be a great replacement for Lea next season.

Prison Mike

11-28-2011, 12:14 AM

After watching some glee reruns, I kind of want to learn how to play the ukulele. :o

Dwarf lord

11-28-2011, 12:40 AM

After watching some glee reruns, I kind of want to learn how to play the ukulele. :o

Do you play anything else? Because if you play guitar or another chordal based instrument, it's pretty easy to pick up.

Prison Mike

11-28-2011, 08:43 AM

No, I've never played the guitar. The ukulele sounds fun though so I think I may try that.

Schlosser85

11-28-2011, 11:11 AM

Mogwai

11-28-2011, 12:16 PM

^like!

JustABill

11-28-2011, 12:46 PM

Kurt and Blaine sing "Perfect":

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/exclusive-stream-f-in-perfect-from-glee-20111128

I always wanted Santana to sing this, but I actually think they sound great, especially Colfer.
Thank you. Hallelujah. I was gonna be really miffed if Darren destroyed another P!nk song. Thankfully he's mostly harmonies and spoken parts in this. So Raise your Glass disaster here.

Pretty decent cover. <3 Bet, it's to Santana and not some lovey dovey duet either.

marcy17

11-28-2011, 11:07 PM

Glee is one of my favorite show. I love watching it.

Mogwai

11-28-2011, 11:33 PM

Welcome, marcy17!

flash13

11-29-2011, 01:46 PM

Two interesting news items from TVLine

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-ricky-martin-season-3/

Glee is temporarily lifting its moratorium on stunt casting, and with good reason.

The Fox phenom is in negotiations with Ricky Martin to guest star early next year, sources confirm to TVLine exclusively.

The bon-bon shaker extraordinaire will play what a Glee insider is calling “the hottest Spanish teacher ever in the history of Ohio.”

And a musically inclined one at that.

I’m told Martin’s scalding instructor will headline two big musical numbers in the episode, which is slated to air in late January.

After wrapping Glee, Martin is off to New York to begin rehearsals for his role as Che in the Broadway revival of Evita (opening in April 2012).

The Glee stint marks Martin’s most high profile acting gig since his two-year run on General Hospital in the mid-90s.

Thoughts? Which McKinley pupil do you think will sport the biggest crush on the new hot prof? Care to predict which musical numbers Martin will perform? Hit the comments!
http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-mckinley-high-synchronized-swim-team-chord-overstreet/Looks like Glee has found a legitimate excuse for Chord Overstreet to lose his shirt when Sam returns to McKinley High.

Indeed, Trouty Mouth will get in touch with his spirit animal when he joins the McKinley Synchronized Swim Team — in an effort to win back Mercedes! — according to a show insider.

Look for Sam to have his Esther Williams moment in Episode 10 (airing in January), which will introduce us to a quartet of yet-to-be-cast characters — all of which have the potential to become recurring:

* Coach Roz Washington, for which the show is seeking a well-known comedic character actress in her 30s or 40s. (Might we suggest Wanda Sykes, or perhaps her former New Adventures of Old Christine costar Alex Kapp Horner?)

* Synchronized Swim Team members Webber, Charles, and Vinny, who are respectively described as “a nerdy looking girl” of any ethnicity, “a handsome African-American boy,” and “a nerdy looking boy” of any ethnicity. (Seeing that Eric Stoltz will be directing Episode 10, perhaps one of his former costars from Caprica — Magda Apanowicz or Alex Arsenault — could step in as Webber or Vinny?)

Are you excited about Sam’s new extracurricular activity — and the prospect of a Mercedes-centric love triangle? Got any casting suggestions for Coach Roz or any of Sam’s new teammates? Hit the comments! And for all the Glee news and commentary your heart desires, follow us on Twitter @TVLineNews!

Dwarf lord

11-29-2011, 07:22 PM

I don't generally like Finn's voice, but that was really beautiful.

Specter313

11-29-2011, 08:06 PM

Honestly, I don't really feel sorry for Rachel or Kurt at the end there. Rachel did it to herself, and Kurt, as others like Mercedes have been criticized before, has been lazy and seems to expect all this stuff at the end to fall into his lap. Kids build up their extracurricular activities and stuff like that over the years, it's no one's fault but his that his resume doesn't look impressive.

Speedball

11-29-2011, 08:11 PM

I'm finding Puck to be my favorite character this season. The whole "Hot for Teacher" thing might be a little out there and weird, but I like that he's actually grown up a bit and isn't such a jerk.

JustABill

11-29-2011, 08:13 PM

Welcome to like late season 1, Speedball. Puck has been like that since then. He's the only character on this show whose development hasn't regressed.

Specter313

11-29-2011, 08:13 PM

I'm finding Puck to be my favorite character this season. The whole "Hot for Teacher" thing might be a little out there and weird, but I like that he's actually grown up a bit and isn't such a jerk.

He's still got a bit to much of his old stupidity though. Did he really think telling Quinn about him and Shelby would lead to anything but trouble?

iamlegend

11-29-2011, 08:15 PM

He's still got a bit to much of his old stupidity though. Did he really think telling Quinn about him and Shelby would lead to anything but trouble?

Well I think a part of him honestly just doesn't (and never will) understand consequences. Hell, I know plenty of ADULTS that still function like that.

Speedball

11-29-2011, 08:16 PM

Welcome to like late season 1, Speedball. Puck has been like that since then. He's the only character on this show whose development hasn't regressed.

:dry:
Ya don't gotta be so... confrontational... about it. Jeez...

Specter313

11-29-2011, 08:17 PM

Well I think a part of him honestly just doesn't (and never will) understand consequences. Hell, I know plenty of ADULTS that still function like that.

That would also explain his admission to still not using condoms after everything that's happened with him.

JustABill

11-29-2011, 08:18 PM

:dry:
Ya don't gotta be so... confrontational... about it. Jeez...
Wow. Apparently you have to put a smiley on everything these days. I wasn't being confrontational. If it came off like that sorry.

Speedball

11-29-2011, 08:25 PM

If that's the emotion I'm feeling, then why the **** not?

Speedball

11-29-2011, 08:30 PM

And it must really suck for Katy Perry to watch Glee when they do her songs. She'll NEVER be able to sing like them.

Specter313

11-29-2011, 08:31 PM

Pretty sure he meant that he needed a smiley in his post so you would know that he was joking with you in his first post, not your dry smiley.

Specter313

11-29-2011, 09:04 PM

On further thought, Finn didn't actually apologize to Santana at all. How did I know that the writers were going to paint it so that Finn didn't look like he was in the wrong at all. :whatever:

Dwarf lord

11-29-2011, 09:23 PM

And it must really suck for Katy Perry to watch Glee when they do her songs. She'll NEVER be able to sing like them.

I hear ya. I feel like she appreciates it though. I mean, it's always nice to hear your songs performed by other people. Especially if they make them sound good. However, if I were a female singer, I would only let my songs be used on Glee if they weren't sung by Lea Michele.

Speedball

11-29-2011, 09:43 PM

I hear ya. I feel like she appreciates it though. I mean, it's always nice to hear your songs performed by other people. Especially if they make them sound good. However, if I were a female singer, I would only let my songs be used on Glee if they weren't sung by Lea Michele.

Unless they're Celine Dion, Adele, or Mariah pre-Glitter, then you've got nothing to worry about.

Sawyer

11-29-2011, 10:13 PM

Sue passes over David Boreanaz for some college football scout? Come on.... I'm not even into dudes and I know that's an awful trade. :o

And just what the **** is going on with Puck's mohawk?

Schlosser85

11-29-2011, 10:14 PM

Whole load of angst this episode. Felt bad for Beiste, to finally put herself out there and then get hurt. Sue's "booty call" list was great though ("Matt Lauer...too much crying"). Her journal entries are usually her funniest bits.

Couldn't really feel sorry for Rachel, she brought it on herself. Trying to do the right thing in her own mixed up way, but she made her bed.

Like someone else said, she and Kurt were entitled and arrogant expecting NYADA to fall into their lap. Harmony and her friends have been meeting every week since they were freshmen, and Kurt and Rachel should have been doing it too. Frankly they could both use a harsh slap of reality across the face.

The whole Puck/Shelby situation is messed up, but IMO not especially implausible. And I agree with Bill that Puck has actually had a surprising amount of growth since the pilot.

Quinn meanwhile goes further into Glenn Close territory every episode. Now she's trying to make another baby? Yea, because that worked out so well for you the first time. I liked Puck rejecting her at his locker, but I smacked my forehead when he confided in her about sleeping with Shelby. Seriously, Noah? What good do you expect to come from this?

I thought Kurt and Blaine sang Perfect really well, but the way they did it onscreen was too truncated. It could have/should have been a bigger number, the song could fit the situation so well.

Wasn't a big fan of Finn's whole plotline. Every time Finn does one of his "look what a good guy I am" deals, it comes across like he's making himself look good/easing his guilty conscience, not because he sincerely feels he needs to right something he did wrong. And also with this kind of undertone of smug patting-himself-on-the-back condescension that's really obnoxious. If I was Santana I would have thought the whole lesson was kind of condescending. A bunch of guys are gonna stand here in my face and stare at me while singing "it gets better" songs and beaming at each other about what good people they are.

The scene with Santana's grandmother was painful to watch, but it's good to show for the sake of realism that not every family member of an LGBT teen out there is Burt Hummel.

I liked the closing montage. I'm still kind of wondering where they're going with the NYADA plotline, especially since it's one of the main overarching plots of this season.

Next episode looks...interesting. Glad to see Blaine finally having enough of Finn's passive-aggressive man-*****iness and just asking wtf his problem is. Not sure what I think of Sam being a stripper.

John Locke

11-29-2011, 10:29 PM

Sue passes over David Boreanaz for some college football scout? Come on.... I'm not even into dudes and I know that's an awful trade. :o

And just what the **** is going on with Puck's mohawk?
I think he's married with kids. Even for Sue that's not a safe bet.

It looks like he's using the mohawk as a combover.

And I'm sorry but you rig and election and you only get suspended for a week?

Also is Quinn look taller and possibly older this episode?

Sawyer

11-29-2011, 10:33 PM

I think he's married with kids. Even for Sue that's not a safe bet.

It looks like he's using the mohawk as a combover.

And I'm sorry but you rig and election and you only get suspended for a week?

Also is Quinn look taller and possibly older this episode?

Hasn't stopped him in the past. Ask Rachel Uchitel. :o

Schlosser85

11-29-2011, 10:39 PM

Yea I'm not sure Puck's mohawk even counts as a mohawk anymore.

Dwarf lord

11-30-2011, 12:44 AM

Unless they're Celine Dion, Adele, or Mariah pre-Glitter, then you've got nothing to worry about.

True, true. Or Idina too, but Broadway's different. What made me think of that was when she sang The Only Exception. Despite her popularity, Haley Williams has a pretty average voice. Lea, however sent that song into the stratusphere.

Marvin

11-30-2011, 12:59 AM

Great to see the series really integrating their tertiary characters, yet still keeping the leads involved. It was getting kinda embarrassing there for a sec. Wouldn't mind seeing the Santana ark end soon though.

Girls just wanna have fun cover was the best since unpretty for me.

Marvin

11-30-2011, 01:00 AM

On further thought, Finn didn't actually apologize to Santana at all. How did I know that the writers were going to paint it so that Finn didn't look like he was in the wrong at all. :whatever:

I missed it, what did Finn actually do?

RockSP

11-30-2011, 09:53 AM

That would also explain his admission to still not using condoms after everything that's happened with him.

Guess the writers forgot they said he had a vasectomy last season.

On an unrelated note, Mercedes' reason for voting for Kurt was silly. It's like they forgot that those two were pretty much best buds until they shoehorned Rachel in.

flash13

11-30-2011, 10:36 AM

I'm looking forward to the Sam at a strip club scene next week. Rachel and Finn's reactions are hilarious!

Mogwai

11-30-2011, 11:11 AM

On an unrelated note, Mercedes' reason for voting for Kurt was silly. It's like they forgot that those two were pretty much best buds until they shoehorned Rachel in.
yeah, that bothered me.

mr. peasant

11-30-2011, 12:22 PM

Nitpick time!

Anyone else find it a little strange they went with 'I Kissed A Girl' for Santana's acceptance scene? The song is about a heterosexual girl, describing her experimenting with another girl with the aim of male titillation. Kind of the furthest thing one can get to genuine lesbianism.

Also, I find the whole Puck-Shelby storyline a bit disturbing and a double standard. The show tries to make it sound appropriate and acceptable. Imagine, for a moment, if they gender-flipped the story. For instance, if Schu slept with Rachel. Can you imagine the controversy it would have caused?

Primal Slayer

11-30-2011, 12:23 PM

Overall I really liked this episode. But once again it had a bit to mucch going on in it. We really needed and shouldve seen Santana coming out to her parents and telling them about the campaign which wouldve been a great parallel to use when Santana came out to her abuela. And werent we suppose to get a Sanatana/Sue/Becky scene aswell?

They also shouldve had both Santana and Finn apologize to each other over last week but I guess thats just how they are since they never really aplogize to anything that has to do with one another. But everything Finn said is something Finn would say so I'm fine with it.

Also...would it have been so hard to see Tina and Artie vote and their thoughts on things? Or giving Tina some minor scenes that they easily couldve switched out with Rachel?

They just try to to do to much stuff in one episode it stops something from being great that it just turns out good.

But I was thinking about it and it is kind of funny that I think that Santanas college application would look better than Kurt and Rachels since she is part of an award winning cheerleading group, volunteers at the hospital, is in glee club, of course can use the whole ethnic thing, and was in the play.

John Locke

11-30-2011, 12:28 PM

Also, I find the whole Puck-Shelby storyline a bit disturbing and a double standard. The show tries to make it sound appropriate and acceptable. Imagine, for a moment, if they gender-flipped the story. For instance, if Schu slept with Rachel. Can you imagine the controversy it would have caused?
Not that much. Pretty Little Liars has one of their girls dating a male teacher since the beginning and there hasn't been a controversy. Yes that show is not as popular as Glee but it is on ABC Family, a family channel.

CaptainCanada

11-30-2011, 12:43 PM

In complete seriousness, I filed a complaint with GLAAD about this episode:

http://colonel-green.tumblr.com/post/13551809312/glees-pro-outing-stance-and-what-to-do-about-it

Prison Mike

11-30-2011, 03:17 PM

I'm looking forward to the Sam at a strip club scene next week. Rachel and Finn's reactions are hilarious!

Loved Rachel's line in the preview..."give me a dollar". :funny:

Yesterday's episode was pretty good. Not sure why everyone still hates Finn. I still don't think he was in the total wrong and he did try to make up for it. Santana was still her *****y self despite everyone trying to help her. I hope they resolve the Puck/Quinn/Shelby storyline soon. I was cringing when they showed Quinn giving the death stare at Shelby at the end. I was afraid she was going to do something stupid. I think Puck is the only one who can get through to her. I was hoping Sam would come back and help her but I guess they're going to stick him with Mercedes in a storyline.

CaptainCanada

11-30-2011, 03:40 PM

and he did try to make up for it.
No he didn't. He clearly didn't think he'd done anything wrong, and the show apparently wants us to agree with him.

Sawyer

11-30-2011, 03:51 PM

It was more like damage control than him actually feeling bad for what happened. I still don't think the full brunt of the responsibility should fall on him and him alone, but he didn't even acknowledge that he had a part to play.

But I guess forgetting things that happened just in the previous episode is par for the course with this show.

Prison Mike

11-30-2011, 03:55 PM

CaptainCanada

11-30-2011, 04:00 PM

Primal Slayer

11-30-2011, 04:07 PM

I guess I just don't feel as bad for Santana because she was seriously acting like a ***** to everyone. Gay or not, there's no reason to bully anyone. And Santana didn't exactly apologize to Finn either so I don't know why Finn is the only one being called out.

Well Santana isnt trying to apologize to what she said to Finn and is just going on with her life whereas Finn is forcing her out of the closet for her "own good" but cant say sorry for starting the hail storm.

But these two have buried the hatchet. They even go christmas shopping together in the christmas episode.

On another note:
I love Sugar Motta, she needs to stick around.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvhgkcxXnH1qbjrw4o3_250.gifhttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvhgkcxXnH1qbjrw4o1_r1_250.gif

Mogwai

11-30-2011, 04:16 PM

Also...would it have been so hard to see Tina and Artie vote and their thoughts on things?
Only seniors vote for class president.

Primal Slayer

11-30-2011, 04:35 PM

Good point...good point..

Prison Mike

11-30-2011, 05:07 PM

DACrowe

11-30-2011, 05:16 PM

My thoughts: Meh.

The episode actually had some of the better musical numbers of this season but they were either embroiled in a bad soap opera (Puck singing to Shelby) or an after school special message (Santana and co. improving "I Kissed a Girl" with so much girl power! I'm surprised they didn't go "Spice Girls").

It kind of feels like to me that Ryan Murphy and co. aren't trying on the writing anymore. They're just going through the motions of romantic drama and teen inspirational conventions between song numbers. It's like now that they have AHS, Glee has become even more mechanical.

DACrowe

11-30-2011, 05:36 PM

I guess I just don't feel as bad for Santana because she was seriously acting like a ***** to everyone. Gay or not, there's no reason to bully anyone. And Santana didn't exactly apologize to Finn either so I don't know why Finn is the only one being called out.

The thing about is that Santana was an awful person to everyone around her for three years and there are consequences to that. I don't feel bad for Santana on one hand for pushing and pushing everyone, particularly Finn (and Irish boy) last week, but that does not excuse what he did. However, it was an accident in the sense that he didn't know it would improbably end up in a political ad, but it's par for the course on this show for them to sweep controversy under the rug. Remember when Beth wasn't mentioned for the entire second season and Quinn went back to be a cheerleader and shallow like nothing happened?

I just don't take this show's drama too seriously. With that said, the scene between Santana and her grandmother, as awful and painful as it was, felt genuine. The first scene like that this season.

Sawyer

11-30-2011, 06:43 PM

http://www.tvline.com/2011/11/glee-season-3-gloria-estefan/
Glee Eyes Gloria Estefan to Play Santana's Mom
by Vlada Gelman

Santana is getting a mami!

Glee is in talks with Latin music superstar Gloria Estefan to play the recently outed cheerleader’s mother.

According to EW.com, the Fox musical dramedy even plans to use some of Estefan’s songs in her episode, including a few bilingual tunes.

In this Tuesday’s installment of Glee, Santana came out as a lesbian to her grandma, who promptly kicked her out. But her parents were allegedly cool with her sexuality — offscreen. Her’s hoping mom will talk some sense into Santana’s abuela when she makes her debut.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 07:21 PM

To me, Finn always feels like he's making himself look good and patting himself on the back about what a good guy he is, not doing it because he sincerely feels he did anything wrong. Everything Finn does seems to be justified in his own head, even if it's the exact same thing he flips out on someone else for. It annoyed me that he never apologized to Sam for stealing his girlfriend (hell, he had the nerve to get all up in Sam's face when he thought he and Quinn were seeing each other again).

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 07:25 PM

Also, I thought "Perfect" and Klaine would have made more sense to get through emotionally to Santana than Finn and "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun".

I mean, I get that it meant more because it was an "enemy" reaching out to her, but Finn has no idea what he's talking about.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 07:33 PM

They also passed up a prime opportunity to further develop Blaine's character and give him interactions outside of Kurt. He actually has probably the most in common with Santana of anyone, including disapproval of his sexuality from a close family member.

But so far the writers seem content to leave Blaine sitting in the background in the choir room and trot him out on occasion to sing something or play a part in Kurt's storyline. Which is going to have to change sooner or later if they intend him to be one of the mainstays for Season 4. So will their complete failure to acknowledge Tina's existence, who's been around a whole season and five episodes longer than Blaine has and is even less fleshed-out.

Neither Blaine, Tina, nor Artie are enough to carry a show.

Primal Slayer

11-30-2011, 08:15 PM

This show has missed out on a lot to say the least.

I can only assume that Rachels dads dont know about Shelby being in town and teaching at their daughters school (why hasnt Quinn thought of this?) or that Quinns mother would be happy that the women who adopted her daughters child is at her daughters school and isnt exactly making the whole thing better with Quinn accepting everything.

On that note...I finally figured out what is wrong with Quinn...she is POSSESSED! Possessed by Terri Shuester! It makes perfect sense.

On a different note...so glad that we will be meeting Santanas mother since we shouldve met her yesterday but we didnt since they needed to tell 4 different storylines.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 09:09 PM

Quinn is definitely doing her best to be Terri 2.0.

Jessalyn Gilsig had a look of manic fanatical determination in her eyes that was really kind of scary. Dianna Agron isn't as creepy as her, but she's doing her damndest to get there.

Re: the parents, they're only trotted out for Very Special Episodes (unless you're Burt Hummel, and to a point even him). We don't get nuances from them. Other than Burt, we're lucky to ever see they exist. Considering not a single parent showed up to the benefit concert, I'm convinced Glee parents only exist when they're onscreen.

Otherwise, there's just too many questions. Rachel's dads who have showered her with singing and dancing lessons since she was old enough to walk didn't bother to show up to the benefit concert? No one could get their parents to come either? It's actually excusable that Burt, by far the most established parental character on the show, didn't come, since Kurt was at Dalton at the time and Finn wasn't performing, but seriously, not one parent of anyone could be bothered?

Did Rachel's dads know about Shelby using Jesse to manipulate Rachel into meeting her? Most parents wouldn't be okay with this. Do they know Shelby's back now? Does Quinn's mother know about Shelby being back?

We got a throwaway excuse where Burt and Carole were during the Finchel sexy times at the Hummel-Hudson abode, but what about Blaine's parents? We've twice seen Kurt in Blaine's bedroom, but has he ever met Blaine's father? I can't imagine someone uncomfortable with his (relatively straight-acting) son's sexuality would be comfortable around someone like Kurt.

I also passingly wondered if Paul Karofsky ever found out the truth about Dave.

Do Brittany's parents know about her and Santana?

Sawyer

11-30-2011, 09:18 PM

I still can't believe that they've pretty much erased Finn's mom from the series completely.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 09:33 PM

Yea, that "family dinner" at the end of Pot O'Gold was kind of shocking. Like, OMG, Carole does still exist!

I mean, sometimes it's excusable why we only see Burt, in his scenes at the shop, but there are also scenes at their home where we don't see Carole (or Finn, for that matter), and it's like it's just Burt and Kurt there, same as always.

The most glaring Carole absence was Prom Queen. Heck, we even saw Quinn's mother again. We saw the Hummel-Hudson home with Kurt, Burt, Finn, even Blaine, but no Carole. You telling me a mom isn't going to see her sons off to their prom?

Realistically, a dad as protective as Burt would have more interaction with Blaine than we've seen too.

Primal Slayer

11-30-2011, 09:42 PM

Even though I know it probably wont happen but it would be really nice to see Sue at cheerleading nationals. She has lost at everything this season it would be nice to see her win with the cheerios.

spideyboy_1111

11-30-2011, 09:54 PM

Because outing is a whole different level from what Santana did. Given Glee's status as The Voice of Gays on TV, it's alarming. And the fact that previously Kurt refused to out Karofsky even when he was violently assaulting him and threatening to kill him, only to see the gay female treated so differently, is a troubling manifestation of this show's gender issues (note how every female in this episode was crazy/*****y/evil and all the guys were noble heroes?).

actually... that's not entirely true. Rachel just did the first selfless thing ever... in probably the most noble thing her character's ever done. And where have you been? Every one on glee is pretty much bat**** crazy and evil at times, This isn't anything different, hell some of the guys are even characterized in that way.. (finn always feels like it's his duty to take other's issues upon himself to solve, Puck is an immature sexfiend with a heart, Kurt has been even more manipulative and crazy then most of the females have.. )

Id also argue that they're merely showing two completely different sides of the coin. It's not fair to show 2 "perfect" gay situations... it causes the viewer to think it's always that way.... I think they've handled Santana's situation with great respect and emotion (especially for who she is as a character). I think it's unfair to believe any situation needs to be cookie cutter tailored to what we want, and wish, and feel. Kurt was out and proud, Santana was not, and forced out. (it happens to many of us). You might see Finn to blame, and he had some fault (which was solved well enough for an hour long show, by a slap from Santana, and Finn saving her from being suspended... as well as everything else he did in the episode to try to make up for it.)

no other show has even come close to dealing with these issues... and I think for a show with many "first" their handling it above and beyond my expectations. I'm sorry you don't feel that way.

spideyboy_1111

11-30-2011, 09:57 PM

I just want to see a happier Santana that isn't constantly lashing out at everyone. Should Finn have apologized for yelling at Santana about coming out in a crowded hallway? Yes. Should Santana have apologized for constantly belittling Finn and provoking him? Yes. Unfortunately neither of them did but I do think both share equal blame.

and truth be told... sometimes, with some people. that's all people need. Some don't care about a verbal apology.. and find other way's to "bury the hatchet" and move on. And in this case... I think how it was handled, it fit both Finn and Santanna's characters and relationship with each other. Sometimes it's not what's said... sometimes it's what's done.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 10:00 PM

note how every female in this episode was crazy/*****y/evil and all the guys were noble heroes

....no?

Rachel wasn't crazy, *****y, or evil at all, in fact she was probably the most selfless she's ever been and was trying to right her "betrayal" of Kurt, albeit in a wrong way. To me, while she was doing it in the wrong way, Rachel trying to right a wrong felt more genuine and sincerely-motivated than Finn's did.

And in Season 1 Kurt was just as selfish as Rachel, and more manipulative.

Shelby is none of the above either.

spideyboy_1111

11-30-2011, 10:01 PM

Do Brittany's parents know about her and Santana?

I think that's gonna be part of the downfall of Santana/Brit. Brittany doesn't seem to be "coming out" at all... she just "is". She's completely oblvious to the situation, and comes off as hardly taking the situation seriously. It's quite obvious that brit loves santanna, but i don't think she's truly capable of knowing or feeling how "in love" santanna actually is with her.

Schlosser85

11-30-2011, 10:03 PM

spideyboy_1111

11-30-2011, 10:10 PM

Considering she thought she was pregnant because a stork built a nest on her roof, and thought Rory was a leprechaun, I question Brittany's ability to be on equal footing in a relationship with someone of average intelligence.

Santana has manipulated Brittany into her clutches on various occasions, including during her relationship with Artie.

indeed. but i also think that also means it's pretty apparent it's not going to last because of this. Santana is definitely in for more heartache this season i think. But she will come out better because of it.