One Universe: DC/Marvel RPG Application

[Carnage27]

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Screenname of the Proposed RPG’s Game Master: Carnage27

Do You Have An Instant Messenger that we can reach you on for better conversation? (i.e MSN, Yahoo, AIM, ect.) And if so, what is your screenname?: My MSN link is underneath my avatar like everyone else’s

Gamemasters/Assistant Gamemasters already chosen: Byrd will act as my AGM, and I will be the GM.

How will the overall layout of the RPG be?: It'll be like the "traditional" RPGs we have on the Hype like UDC and World’s Finest.

Premise of RPG, if it is a user created RPG see below for applicable additions to this Applicaton, (Must be a paragraph or longer).

This is a universe of good and evil. Since the beginning of time these two forces have raged against each other in a never ending struggle for supremacy. Across the galaxy wars have been fought to gain the upper hand, tearing apart the world of Urgrund into the worlds of New Genesis and Apokolips a millennia ago, creating a rift between the New Gods.

The Guardians of the Universe, believing it was their job to protect peace in the cosmos created the Green Lantern Corps to use willpower to drive back the darkness.

But evil and violence cannot always be repelled. The Skrull-Thanagar War threatened to engulf the galaxy, taking the entire power of the Corps to hold back the tide. The conflict continued until the world-eater Galactus devoured key planets on each side, destabilizing both combatant’s forces, and decimating the Corps.

Eventually, the planet Krypton was destroyed, but one known survivor was sent towards a small blue planet orbiting the sun designated Sol. Earth. A planet inhabited by the dominant race of homo-sapien. A primitive race compared to some, but with the capacity for greatness.

Even then, this world was not safe from similar conflicts that plagued the stars, the greatest of which came in the middle of humanity’s 20th recorded century. Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime threatened to blanket the world powered on by the Spear of Destiny and the HYDRA deep science division.

But the tide was turned by human ingenuity and bravery. A scrawny kid from Brooklyn is transformed into Captain America, and he leads a group of heroes into the fray of World War II which includes the likes of The Flash, Wildcat, Union Jack, Doctor Fate, and Green Lantern. They were known as The Invaders, and they almost single-handedly turned the tide of the war.

But at the tail end of the war, Cap was lost on a mission to destroy one of HYDRA’s secret facilities, and in a response to losing their secret weapon, President Harry Truman dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, bringing the war to a close. The majority of The Invaders returned home to America, forming the Justice Society with other costume adventurers. They spent the next two decades stopping crime across the country, until they felt they were no longer needed, and nothing more than old men attempting to relive past glories.

Around this same time, the human race enters its next stage of evolution in earnest, creating mutants all over the globe. This new development, and humanity’s response, will lead two men to create a safe haven for the new sub-species, and will eventually drive them to polar opposite sides.

As time went on, Earth continued to change. Kal-El, Krypton’s last son, arrives on the planet and is found and adopted by Jonathon and Martha Kent in Smallville, Kansas. In Gotham, the Wayne family walks down a darkened alley, and Bruce Wayne is the only one to leave it alive, his parents gunned down. In a garage in California, Tony Stark tinkers with one of his father’s cars, testing his mechanical genius. Hal Jordan dreams of flying planes as he watches the night sky.

Two decades later, the time is now. Earth has become a world filled with cynicism and fear, and the universe is as dangerous as ever. The time is ripe for new heroes to rise and lead a desperate populace. In Metropolis, Superman soars in the sky, protecting all those that need it. On the planet Asgard, a prideful god is banished to Midgard. A teenager swings through the skyscrapers of New York in red and blue, the people calling him “Spider-man”. In Gotham, the Batman wages a war against organized crime and corruption. A war that threatens to drive the city even deeper down the rabbit hole. A group of young mutants trained by Charles Xavier begins to protect humanity from the threat of the Brotherhood. In Keystone City, a new scarlet speedster stops crime with blinding speed. And a woman from a forgotten land arrives in the World of Men.

This is the time of The One Universe RPG. Basically, it will be a universe where DC and Marvel characters can interact, fight together, and against each other. The way I see it, Batman has been active for a year to a year and a half trying to clean up Gotham, but to the general public he’s nothing more than an urban legend. Heroes like Flash, Spider-man, and Superman are newer to the scene, active for a year down to a few months.

I don’t want to handcuff everyone for their first arcs, but I think it’d be good for at least some of the heroes to already be active and out in the world, as Byrd and I discussed in the Concept Thread.

What will this RPG bring to the RPG forums? (please write two complete sentences): The return of a game I considered a staple of the boards, and the ability for players to intertwine the two juggernauts of the comics world.

Title Of The RPG You Would Like To Propose: Worlds Collide: The Marvel and DC RPG or Heroes United: The Marvel and DC RPG

Example Of Characters Application:

Character you would like to play:

Powers:

Brief history of the character:

List a few reasons why you have chosen that character:

What can you bring to this game?:

Color and font you plan on using for your character's speech:

How many times do you intend on posting a DAY IN the RPG:

Please provide a sample post with original content in the style that you plan to write your character in (must be at least 3 paragraphs long and contains at least 1 line of dialogue):

Do you know how to post pictures on the hype boards?:

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This is to reaffirm everyone's interest before moving ahead. So make sure you vote. And also, post with which name you prefer. Byrd and I talked about names, he came up with one and one popped into my head as I was writing this thread.

Choices are:

1) Worlds Collide

or

2) Heroes United

or classic:

3) One Universe

[wiegeabo]

I'm interested. But I don't like either name. I'll try to think of some.


Honestly, I think One Universe was a perfect name :(

[Carnage27]

I'm interested. But I don't like either name. I'll try to think of some.


Honestly, I think One Universe was a perfect name :(

I mean I'm completely cool with keep One Universe. I'll add it to the list.

But that's it. No more names.:oldrazz:

[Batman]

One Earth: The Marvel/DC RPG

[wiegeabo]

One Earth: The Marvel/DC RPG

I likey

[IKB]

I may very well be up for this.

[Carnage27]

Vote in the poll dangnabbit!

[wiegeabo]

Didn't see a poll on my phone.


But, I think we should wait at least a couple of weeks before starting this. Give people a chance to build up their WF stories and see if they feel they'll still have time for this one.

[Carnage27]

Didn't see a poll on my phone.


But, I think we should wait at least a couple of weeks before starting this. Give people a chance to build up their WF stories and see if they feel they'll still have time for this one.

I agree we would wait to actually start. I wasn't planning on actually starting until around Thanksgiving, possibly after.

[wiegeabo]

ok.

Guess I'll vote yes then :p

[sumowrestler]

I'm just a bit curious as to how the teams like Avengers and JLA will be made in this one. Will characters from both universes be able to be apart of them or will they already be formed?

[Carnage27]

I'm just a bit curious as to how the teams like Avengers and JLA will be made in this one. Will characters from both universes be able to be apart of them or will they already be formed?

The teams formed over the course of time in the last game. Anyone can basically be on any team. With the characters being relatively new to the hero business I wouldn't expect the teams to form right away.

Also, in the previous OU the JLA was really the only true team. The Avengers were a team put together by Lex Luthor as president.

[wiegeabo]

I don't want to bias anyone, but if you want to read the first season (or two) of One Universe, I thought the players did a brilliant job of developing characters and combined histories, and building the teams over time.

[Carnage27]

I don't want to bias anyone, but if you want to read the first season (or two) of One Universe, I thought the players did a brilliant job of developing characters and combined histories, and building the teams over time.

Agreed. In a world like this it's really about a slow burn and building to a point where a team makes sense between these characters.

[IKB]

Either One Universe or Worlds Collide would be good, leaning more towards the former.

Looking forward to this though, have some cool ideas.

[trustyside-kick]

I think "Worlds Collide" The Marvel/DC RPG sounds good.

Though the issue I see with it is it makes it look like the worlds do collide and they end up now on 1 Earth rather than that they always co-existed.

Maybe incorporating the way Marvel and DC label their parallel earths? Marvel's main Earth is Earth-616 and DC is all about "52" in the past few years. So how about "Earth-652" The Marvel/DC RPG? Or something much more clever. That just came to me real fast of using an "Earth-NUMBER" title for it. That hasn't been done for any RPG title before so intrigued me.

[Byrd Man]

With the characters being relatively new to the hero business I wouldn't expect the teams to form right away.



Actually, I wouldn't mind having a superhero team put together before the RPG starts if we go with the option of having it be three years since superheroes started reemerging. Just because of how long it's taken to get a superteam together in the past.

[Carnage27]

Actually, I wouldn't mind having a superhero team put together before the RPG starts if we go with the option of having it be three years since superheroes started reemerging. Just because of how long it's taken to get a superteam together in the past.

Personally, and this is just me, but I think one of the most exciting things for players in this game is letting them do all the heavy lifting on setting up the universe and watching how they get all these different characters together.

But that's just me.

[trustyside-kick]

Oh, if I do play and play as Blackbolt, I was going to have a pre-established group which would cause the creation of a team. Kinda like a cross between The Illuminati from Marvel and The Quintessence from DC.

[IKB]

Personally, and this is just me, but I think one of the most exciting things for players in this game is letting them do all the heavy lifting on setting up the universe and watching how they get all these different characters together.

But that's just me.

I agree with this.

It might be a bit of a slow burner, but that makes it all the more satisfying when it actually comes to fruition.

[Harlekin]

I'd go with One Earth, just to differentiate it from the One Universe stuff.

[sumowrestler]

We could let things grow organically. Apparently in CAH, a superhero team formed that way. The way that the Avengers and JLA are for "swinging door membership", it would play well for this site since members come and go. It would even be possible for us to create a completely new team along with name with mixtures of both sides.

[Supergirl]

We could let things grow organically. Apparently in CAH, a superhero team formed that way. The way that the Avengers and JLA are for "swinging door membership", it would play well for this site since members come and go. It would even be possible for us to create a completely new team along with name with mixtures of both sides.
That's what happened the last go round. The Avengers had DC characters and the JLA had Marvel characters, the Teen Titans was a hodgepodge as well (IIRC Kitty Pryde, Bobby Drake, Johnny Storm, Peter Parker, Vic Stone, Kara Zor-El, Dick Grayson and Wally West were all members)

[trustyside-kick]

Question: This time around do people make up origins for characters or is it classic/basic comic origin is required at least? I'm hoping it's the latter.

[wiegeabo]

I liked it when the origins blended universes as well. Like Stick being on of Bruce Wayne's trainers while he was touring the world.

[Lord]

I think this time the rpg should follow the ultimate route and have people changing the character but keeping the basis

[trustyside-kick]

Last game, it was hard to want to pick up characters because people kinda "Ultimatized" people rather than just playing them in a shared universe. Heck, I had to fix up characters to make them passable/playable that others messed up with how confusing and convulted they seemed to be.

[wiegeabo]

If you want to ultimatize an origin, we have games for that.

I like the idea of this one being a blending of classic origins within the shared universe.

[IKB]

I think this time the rpg should follow the ultimate route and have people changing the character but keeping the basis

I do not like the sound of that.

Ultimization shouldn't be necessary, if anything the combining of the two universes should result in something of a re-calibration; meaning no changes to the characters are needed, just changes to the circumstances at which contributed to them becoming the characters they are.

[trustyside-kick]

Early career (did you guys mention 3 years in??) and regular/classic origins seems a good way to go. Then there is no Earth shattering question about continuity of either Earths.

[Lord]

I do not like the sound of that.

Ultimization shouldn't be necessary, if anything the combining of the two universes should result in something of a re-calibration; meaning no changes to the characters are needed, just changes to the circumstances at which contributed to them becoming the characters they are.
That's what i meant with keeping the basis :doh:

[trustyside-kick]

That's what i meant with keeping the basis :doh:

What you said in your previous post made it sound like I could make Bruce Wayne Batman and have his parents killed by Green Goblin. Which isn't the case.

[Lord]

What? No! It means you can change and modernise things like in the Ultimate Marvel Comics for examples but you should keep the core and what the character simbolises intact, and i think you should keep the RPG set 1 year at most in the career of the characters

[trustyside-kick]

No. This isn't any degree of Ultimatizing. And my example is still relevant just more extreme than what you are saying.

[Byrd Man]

RPG set 1 year at most in the career of the characters

Three years is the way to go. I want the characters to have a sense of familiarity with each other. It can get tedious as hell to have half a season of an RPG where all the PCs have to keep meeting new characters and reacting to meeting them for the first time over and over.

[IKB]

The period of time, I imagine, is only to provide players with a bit of context. The world your character will be entering into is one that has been aware of super-humans for three years: that doesn't necessarily mean that the character you have applied for has to have been.

[Byrd Man]

No, I mean three years since the heroes started their careers.

I mean, we all know the origins. Do we really need to see someone spend ten posts and two weeks showing Peter Parker become Spider-Man, or having Hal Jordan trained by the GLC?

Just skip the origin and get cracking on your own stories.

[IKB]

How does it hurt to have the option open to people, though? If it's something that you personally aren't interested in doing, don't do it. Other people might be.

This isn't even relevant to the character I want to apply for, but I still think people should have the artistic freedom to do so.

[Byrd Man]

Because I said so. That's why.

[Carnage27]

-Double Post-

[Carnage27]

I dunno. I'd really like to do an origin.

I can see where it can be tedious to some, but to me, the origin and seeing how these characters mixed up in each other becoming what they did is half the fun in a game like this.

[trustyside-kick]

I gotta be honest in that I have zero interest if people are stuck doing origins with the chance of them flaking out. I've RPed here for years and I've seen the trends. The old OU had the worst with that.

[Carnage27]

I gotta be honest in that I have zero interest if people are stuck doing origins with the chance of them flaming out. I've RPed here for years and I've seen the trends. The old OU had the worst with that.

Then people don't have to do an origin. Which is why I set the open as one year in. If people don't want to do an origin and already have their character and some others familiar with each other, by all means do it.

But one year is also early enough that if people want to do an origin, they can do an origin.

[trustyside-kick]

Also people starting with the origins makes it harder for new players to come in when the character is later free again. It's easier to say "same origins but the character did 'this this and that' this season". New people won't think/feel like they are playing someone else's Batman, Spider-Man, etc. In UDC and All-Star Marvel it is different because it is expected that things will be different.

[IKB]

On the other side of the coin, starting with established characters rules out the chance of their origin story (which, whilst sharing the basic premise will have some differences since it's set in another universe) ever being told.

[IKB]

Double post.

[wiegeabo]

Just do the origin the way we are in WF. Use flashbacks.

[wiegeabo]

If people want to do origins, then they should have to update the wiki.


Oh yeah, I just played the wiki card.

[Byrd Man]

If people want to do origins, then they should have to update the wiki.


Oh yeah, I just played the wiki card.

**** your wiki. You and the OCD bastard trusty are the only two who give a flying **** about it! :cmad:

[trustyside-kick]

That'd be the day.

[Carnage27]

Also people starting with the origins makes it harder for new players to come in when the character is later free again. It's easier to say "same origins but the character did 'this this and that' this season". New people won't think/feel like they are playing someone else's Batman, Spider-Man, etc. In UDC and All-Star Marvel it is different because it is expected that things will be different.

The origins for all the important parts will be the same. But I don't think it's fair to tell someone they aren't allowed to add some aspects or characters from the other company into their origins.

After all, there's no canon here to build off of. It's player created. You won't be ultimizing or changing the origins like in UDC or All-Star. But if someone wants to make their origin OU-style, I don't think they should be stopped.

[Carnage27]

The wiki deal works for me.

I'm just not really excited about dropping into a game in the proverbial "middle". Three years just seems way too long. A year I understand. At that point at least characters could be familiar with each other and teams could be in their fledgling stages.

[Carnage27]

Okay.

After speaking to Byrd we've agreed to have the time period setup as one year after the re-emergence of super heroes and vigilantes after the large gap after the JSA disbanded.

That being said, the majority of the major characters will have been active during this time, and they are aware of each other.

If you want to define your character's origin in a "One Universe" setting, feel free to do it in flashback sequences while also showing what your character is doing in the present.

This is the best overall solution to everyone's problems. It gives the game open the freedom of not being restricted to origins, but is also a world that is still being shaped by the evolving relationships between heroes. It also allows those to tell their origins as they see it in the One Universe.

If you plan on playing a more minor character and have a desire to do a full origin, say so in your app, and Byrd and I will decide how to move forward there.

[wiegeabo]

"I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT!"

[Carnage27]

"I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT!"

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[wiegeabo]

Uh-oh...someone exceeded their bandwidth.... :p

[Carnage27]

Uh-oh...someone exceeded their bandwidth.... :p

Damn you, Internet! You win again!:argh:

[wiegeabo]

try using tinypic.com

crap interface. but no bandwidth restrictions.

[Carnage27]

It was just the gif of Ron Swanson dancing. We've all seen it before.

/Lazy

[trustyside-kick]

Well that's a shame. Peace out.

[wiegeabo]

It was just the gif of Ron Swanson dancing. We've all seen it before.

/Lazy

I haven't!

Or maybe I have.

meh.

[Byrd Man]

Here it is, as my old avvy:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/byrdRPG/Swanson.gif

[Carnage27]

Here it is, as my old avvy:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb232/byrdRPG/Swanson.gif

Yea, the file I had it in was humongous. I think that's the problem.

[sumowrestler]

So the start will still be post Thanksgiving for this little endeavour? I'm hoping for more then 10 people especially if we get some new people involved. Is there any way to advertise on other parts of this site for this story or do we just hope others decide to wander down here to the "basement"?

[Carnage27]

So the start will still be post Thanksgiving for this little endeavour? I'm hoping for more then 10 people especially if we get some new people involved. Is there any way to advertise on other parts of this site for this story or do we just hope others decide to wander down here to the "basement"?

We've tried advertising other places. And if we have 10 I'll be pumped. That's better than most of the games we've had recently.

Also, I'm thinkin OOC thread by the 19. Followed by Thanksgiving week, and then start up the IC once the Holiday is over.

[Blacklight]

Like I said before... App's done. :woot:

[Carnage27]

^^^I have mine done as well.

/Impatient

[IKB]

If anyone intending to apply for Lex Luthor could shoot me over a PM that would be great.

[Carnage27]

Okay, as we get closer to me putting up the OOC thread, I want to ask people's opinion on the character limit.

I was planning on keeping it at one for a month or so to ensure people not snatching up multiple big-name characters.

But I'm planning on using the whole 24-hour rule for acceptances, which should negate the possibility of that happening, as I'm sure anyone who is gunning for a big name will have an app up quickly. So I'm considering allowing 2 characters right off the bat.

What do you guys think? Keep it at 1 for a month or so, or go for 2 right away?

[Batman]

One month of a single character limit would at least allow people to stay focused on their one character and slowly build up the new status quo. Character quotas doesn't really affect me because I only intend to apply for one, but I can see the benefit to allowing two after a month, so I say keep the month long wait intact for the sake of just allowing people to get their initial character settled in the universe.

[Carnage27]

One month of a single character limit would at least allow people to stay focused on their one character and slowly build up the new status quo. Character quotas doesn't really affect me because I only intend to apply for one, but I can see the benefit to allowing two after a month, so I say keep the month long wait intact for the sake of just allowing people to get their initial character settled in the universe.

That also crossed my mind, but I wanted to open it up to see what others think.

I only had one character in mind initially, but then I got talking to Byrd and he struck me on a whole new tangent that I want to do now as well, but I didn't have a problem waiting for a month.

[Byrd Man]

I'd be find with either one. But to be honest, I would prefer to do two characters. I want to have my cake and eat it too.

[Carnage27]

I'd be find with either one. But to be honest, I would prefer to do two characters. I want to have my cake and eat it too.

I know what you mean.

Speaking of which, be on MSN tonight. I have a few story ideas to run by you later.

[Batman]

If we would be allowed two characters, there is another one I was contemplating...

[Carnage27]

If we would be allowed two characters, there is another one I was contemplating...

Yes. Give in to your temptation.

[wiegeabo]

I would say limit it to one to force people to build at least one story. Then only open it to two when they start *****ing about it and it looks like we're not going to get any more players.


But since they're already *****ing about it...

[SuperFerret]

If two characters are allowed, restrict it to one Marvel, one DC.

[Supergirl]

If two characters are allowed, restrict it to one Marvel, one DC.
That's brilliant!

[wiegeabo]

I liked that policy when we used it for three characters

[SuperFerret]

Who would the third one be? Is wieg hinting that he wants to play as DarkClaw?

[Carnage27]

That's brilliant!

But...but...out plans!:csad:

All our beautiful plans!

[wiegeabo]

Who would the third one be? Is wieg hinting that he wants to play as DarkClaw?

Been there, done that.


http://i40.tinypic.com/2mpjrkz.jpg

[Carnage27]

Tony has pretty crappy willpower, though.

Unless in this universe willpower = alcoholism.

[Andy C.]

Dammit. Dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit. I didn't want to get into another game. I didn't want to have to devote more time and effort to playing another character. I really didn't.

But wieg and BL got the bug in my ear, and now I can't stop thinking about it.

[wiegeabo]

Tony has pretty crappy willpower, though.

Unless in this universe willpower = alcoholism.

This is sober Tony.



...he shall rule the universe.

[Carnage27]

Welcome aboard, Andy. It's great to have another veteran join up.

Looks like we're going to have a good group here everyone.

And honestly, right now, I'm scheming and talking to 4 other players on story ideas, and I just can't help myself.

I'm going with 2 characters off the bat. I'm weak, I know. But I don't think I've ever been this into two story arcs before, and I can't pass the opportunity up.

With that being said, I'm contemplating implementing a punishment for picking up and dropping characters left and right. It happens too much, and I'm not going to tolerate it here.

[Supergirl]

But what would the punishment be? I suggest murder of their first born :up:

[Byrd Man]

But what would the punishment be? I suggest murder of their first born :up:

Why do you think I'm an AGM?

[wiegeabo]

I think we let Keyser handle the punishment.


The thought of that should keep people in line.

[Carnage27]

But what would the punishment be? I suggest murder of their first born :up:

I'll brainstorm on that.

But realistically, you shouldn't be picking up a character you don't have a story for.

I know a lot of the veterans know, but just for the new folk that seem to be interested, don't pick up a character unless you know where you're going to take them.

[SuperFerret]

I've been talking to Byrd about X-Men ideas.

[wiegeabo]

Put that into the application.

Do you have a story in mind for the character:

If they lie, then we know that can't be trusted. If they're honest and don't then we might be able to work with them, or tell them to think of picking up someone else.

[Carnage27]

^^^I like it wieg. I'll do that.

I've been talking to Byrd about X-Men ideas.

I know.

There are 5 of us tossing X-Men ideas back and forth.:awesome:

SF, add me on MSN if you don't mind. I'm headed to bed now, but I'd love to talk to you about your ideas, because your character choice is incredible for the X-Men.

[Franklin Richards]

Could I choose a classic Marvel character to receive Abin Sur's power ring instead of Hal Jordan? I would meld their origins as perfectly as possible.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Byrd Man]

Could I choose a classic Marvel character to receive Abin Sur's power ring instead of Hal Jordan? I would meld their origins as perfectly as possible.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

I don't know if I'd be comfortable with someone taking Hal's place, but I would be okay with a Marvel character getting the ring meant for John or Guy for a short time. I did that with Daredevil in season III or IV, I think.

[Carnage27]

Could I choose a classic Marvel character to receive Abin Sur's power ring instead of Hal Jordan? I would meld their origins as perfectly as possible.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

Personally I'd rather not see that happen.

I really don't have a problem with a Marvel character becoming a Green Lantern (Daredevil became one in season 4 of the last game), but actually altering things that much rubs me the wrong way.

Send me a PM of your idea and maybe we can work something out though.

[SuperFerret]

Ben Grimm: Green Lantern?

[Franklin Richards]

He's one of my choices. :D



:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Blacklight]

So, I had this crazy idea today at work when reflecting upon the last game, and one of the things that bugged me about it was the fact that the timeline wasn't exactly... "right". I mean, we had Wally West and Kyle Rayner as Flash and Green Lantern while Dick Grayson was still freakin' Robin for pete's sake. Spider-Man didn't even get to graduate high school! I mean, I felt like parts of the OU were still in it's infancy while others were growing exponentially and this time around I want to play OU with a more "synchronized" timeline. Also, I want to have the opportunity to play an OU that's a merge between the Marvel and DC Universe as we know them now so we can play the younger characters as adults, Dick and Peter being the prime examples, as well as legacy characters who frankly weren't even CLOSE to being introduced yet, like Tim Drake, Jaime Reyes and the Young Avengers.

Anyways, my idea was that instead of doing simple one month or one week gaps of IC time between seasons, how about we do gaps spanning from 1 to maybe even 2-3 years, so that our characters can actually "grow up" as we play them and characters that didn't appear until recent years can be given the OU treatment?

[wiegeabo]

Kyle becoming Gl was sort of organic. But JB pretty much did leave the Corps in a ****** situation.

[Supergirl]

As I plan on playing a teenage character at the start I wouldn't be opposed to one year breaks between seasons, so long as we required people to come up with what happened to their character during the breaks.

[wiegeabo]

Do we really need one year jumps between seasons?

Why not have each season last a year? Meaning, if we don't actually play a year in game time, we just jump ahead far enough so it's a year later.

For example, every season 'starts' in mid-summer. Or, since we're approaching the holidays, every season starts around the holidays.

[Blacklight]

Do we really need one year jumps between seasons?

Why not have each season last a year? Meaning, if we don't actually play a year in game time, we just jump ahead far enough so it's a year later.

For example, every season 'starts' in mid-summer. Or, since we're approaching the holidays, every season starts around the holidays.
Well, I was just throwing 1 year out there since that might've been more widely accepted than 2 or 3. I personally picture the first and second season being a few months apart, whilst the second and third be about 2-3 years apart, so that by season 3-4 the majority of the younger PC's will have reached their adulthood.

[Supergirl]

I like Wieg's proposal.

[Carnage27]

If DC can cram its long history into 6 years of continuity, I don't think we should have a problem with characters reaching adulthood.

[IKB]

Do we really need one year jumps between seasons?

Why not have each season last a year? Meaning, if we don't actually play a year in game time, we just jump ahead far enough so it's a year later.

For example, every season 'starts' in mid-summer. Or, since we're approaching the holidays, every season starts around the holidays.

I like this idea a lot.

[SuperFerret]

I do too.

[Carnage27]

Yea, it makes sense.

[Franklin Richards]

How much of a chore is your old continuity? That doesn't sound fun. Can you sum up the past in one paragraph?

:D


And I still haven't had any response to my idea. *coughCarnage27cough*

:argh:


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[Carnage27]

How much of a chore is your old continuity? That doesn't sound fun. Can you sum up the past in one paragraph?

:D


And I still haven't had any response to my idea. *coughCarnage27cough*

:argh:


:ff: :ff: :ff:

The old continuity did bcome a bit of a cluster-**** due to people picking up and dropping people left and right. Which is one reason I was looking to start a new game and erase that problem.

As for your idea, the basis of the it is fine, but I don't like the idea of Hal's ring choosing the character originally. If you made your first arc the character getting the ring from Hal for some reason or procuring a different ring, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But changing an origin so fundamentally rubs me the wrong way.

[Franklin Richards]

It makes sense in this combined continuity though. If Abin Sur's ring chose Marvel Guy X instead of Hal, due to greater will power, then Hal would just be kicked down the list like Guy Gardner was. He will keep most of his timeline. He just won't be Abin Sur's boy. He'll have gotten it the same time Gardner did during The Crisis. Then you can go from there with Emerald Dawn.

But to be honest I'm not sure how much this continuity matches up with DC continuity.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[SuperFerret]

But wasn't Hal chosen over Guy due to Hal being closer?

[Franklin Richards]

Indeed. But only cause their will's were equal. If someone would have had greater will then they would have trumped those two.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Carnage27]

I just really don't want origins changed that drastically. Like we had said, we don't want things to be "Ultimized" just for bleed over. I don't mind if the character ends up with another ring or gets Hal's ring through a story, but we all have basically agreed that the classic origins are in place, just enhanced with some Marvel/DC touches.

Byrd, do you agree?

As for continuity, the majority of the main heroes/heavy hitters have been active for a year with their origins basically intact. Beyond that there's nothing really set in stone.

[Byrd Man]

I just really don't want origins changed that drastically. Like we had said, we don't want things to be "Ultimized" just for bleed over. I don't mind if the character ends up with another ring or gets Hal's ring through a story, but we all have basically agreed that the classic origins are in place, just enhanced with some Marvel/DC touches.

Byrd, do you agree?



I agree. Just because someone wants to play Ben Grimm as a GL, as cool as it is, doesn't mean everyone will want to play him. Say Frankie drops Ben, then someone comes in and wants to play Hal. They might not want to do the work to get Hal the ring. And what about the FF? If Ben is a GL, what the hell happens to them? Do they even get in an accident, or did someone replace him?

I just feel like it opens up a can of worms.

[Franklin Richards]

What's the GL Corps look like? Early on? Hal the only GL right now? Is this Post Crisis or Nu52? If Nu then all 4 are in the sector. Unless it's NuJustice League Year One.


So many questions. :D


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Carnage27]

What's the GL Corps look like? Early on? Hal the only GL right now? Is this Post Crisis or Nu52? If Nu then all 4 are in the sector. Unless it's NuJustice League Year One.

We're not using any established canon aside from character's basic origins. So Crisis and Nu52 don't come into play at all.

And yea, I'd say at this point Hal is the only Green Lantern from Earth.

[Byrd Man]

Don't forget old man Scot!

[Franklin Richards]

I agree. Just because someone wants to play Ben Grimm as a GL, as cool as it is, doesn't mean everyone will want to play him. Say Frankie drops Ben, then someone comes in and wants to play Hal. They might not want to do the work to get Hal the ring. And what about the FF? If Ben is a GL, what the hell happens to them? Do they even get in an accident, or did someone replace him?

I just feel like it opens up a can of worms.

Ok. Well I guess I'll have to let the cat out of the bag. It's not Ben Grimm. It's Victor Von Doom. So the FF continuity would remain the same.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/doom.gif


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Carnage27]

Don't forget old man Scot!

Well yea, him too. But I mean he's not a true member of the Corps and all that jazz.

[Byrd Man]

Ok. Well I guess I'll have to let the cat out of the bag. It's not Ben Grimm. It's Victor Von Doom. So the FF continuity would remain the same.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/doom.gif


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Actually, I would prefer Ben to Doom. I mean, we already have a strong-willed, take-no-prisoners, amoral GL in the form of Sinestro. Even if you don't plan to make Doom a villain with the power ring, it just feels like the two would cancel each other out.

[Franklin Richards]

Who says Sinestro will survive the day?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Byrd Man]

Who says Sinestro will survive the day?


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Then that'd be storylines and a playable character you'd take away from a potential RPer who would want to join later down the line.

I'm not against Doom getting a power ring, but it shouldn't be a permanent thing.

[Franklin Richards]

People lining up to play? How many characters do we need?

But that's cool.


See you guys in World's Finest.


:o



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Byrd Man]

People lining up to play? How many characters do we need?

But that's cool.


See you guys in World's Finest.


:o



:doom: :doom: :doom:

:cmad:

Damn you, Frankie!

[trustyside-kick]

Another reason that you guys shouldn't allow some tweaks but not others. So there shouldn't be any tweaks at all except how teams formed and who is in said teams. Just sayin'. Been still reading this thread to see what you guys make the final verdict to be.

[Carnage27]

Another reason that you guys shouldn't allow some tweaks but not others.

There's a difference between small, inconsequential tweaks and fundamentally changing a character.

[trustyside-kick]

Making a character grow up in the Xavier school for the gifted that WASN'T a mutant before--thus making them a mutant in this game--IMO is just like the idea making someone else gets a GL ring. Kid Flash for example if he was a mutant instead or something and growing up in the mutant school because you guys maybe wanted to make him a mutant changes things.

EDIT: There are after all more than 1 GL in 1 sector alone so what is wrong with the idea of someone else getting a ring alongside Hal? That's where you guys fall into being a tad hypocritical. Hence is why I think you shouldn't allow any tweaking at all. And just PLAY them as is.

[Carnage27]

EDIT: There are after all more than 1 GL in 1 sector alone so what is wrong with the idea of someone else getting a ring alongside Hal? That's where you guys fall into being a tad hypocritical. Hence is why I think you shouldn't allow any tweaking at all. And just PLAY them as is.

We didn't say he couldn't get a ring.

We said he couldn't get Abin Sur's ring in place of Hal.

EDIT: As for the X-Men deal, we're only bringing in fairly obscure characters no one would be using as well as characters who's powers and origins were ambiguous and could be attributed to the X-gene. Were not changing someone like the Flash into a mutant.

[wiegeabo]

Tweaks to an origin shouldn't fundamentally change a character.

The biggest change that comes to mind from OU is Dick Grayson. His parents were killed while performing at a party hosted by Oliver Queen that the Hulk rampaged through. But the Hulk killing the Flying Graysons still jives with Dick losing his parents, since Bruce was at the party, he was still able to take Dick in. And Dick's need to prevent this from happening to other children led to him being Robin. Technically, it's a noticeable change in origin, but without actually making the character too different for people to understand.

[Carnage27]

Tweaks to an origin shouldn't fundamentally change a character.

The biggest change that comes to mind from OU is Dick Grayson. His parents were killed while performing at a party hosted by Oliver Queen that the Hulk rampaged through. But the Hulk killing the Flying Graysons still jives with Dick losing his parents, since Bruce was at the party, he was still able to take Dick in. And Dick's need to prevent this from happening to other children led to him being Robin. Technically, it's a noticeable change in origin, but without actually making the character too different for people to understand.

Exactly.:up:

[SuperFerret]

From the looks of the proposed X-Men roster Byrd gave me and the DC additions to the student body, it seems that the school would be more open to non-mutant characters. (I'm also working on my app with the notion that the school's been open for a while.)

[Carnage27]

Also, it's not like the idea of mutant changes in seemingly normal people doesn't exist in the DC Universe. They just aren't called "mutants".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagene#The_Metagene

[Carnage27]

From the looks of the proposed X-Men roster Byrd gave me and the DC additions to the student body, it seems that the school would be more open to non-mutant characters. (I'm also working on my app with the notion that the school's been open for a while.)

The school has been open for a while.

And yes, the school isn't just for mutants.

[trustyside-kick]

The school has been open for a while.

And yes, the school isn't just for mutants.

See, byrd told me it was only for mutants still. Because it would change Xavier's dream and what not, etc etc etc. I was told you guys were making DC character's mutants so they could be on the X-Men. Which was what bugged me. But now you are saying the school isn't only to mutants.

Which is it?

[Carnage27]

See, byrd told me it was only for mutants still. Because it would change Xavier's dream and what not, etc etc etc. I was told you guys were making DC character's mutants so they could be on the X-Men. Which was what bugged me. But now you are saying the school isn't only to mutants.

Which is it?

So will be mutants. Some will be aliens.

Sorry, but saying a character like Black Lightning, which in DC canon was born with his power due to a different gene in his body, isn't a mutant because "DC doesn't use the term mutant" is kind of ridiculous.

I mean seriously, I could imagine the conversation now.

Cyclops: Hey Jefferson. So you're a mutant too?

BL: No.

Cyc: Why not? I mean you have your powers because of this rare genetic enhancement in your body that you've had since birth right?

BL: Well, yea.

Cyc: And there's no other explication for your powers?

BL: No not really.

Cyc: Then why aren't you a mutant?

BL: Because the company that originally created me never used the term.

:whatever:

[wiegeabo]

In OU we had this odd situation where we had mutants and metahumans.

And mutants were hated, like in Marvel, but metas weren't, like DC.

[trustyside-kick]

But thing is there are metas in MU and they aren't called mutants. I've had this argument in length with byrd and MB already. So your argument has no weight. :dry:

[wiegeabo]

I wasn't making an argument. Just describing how OU was.

So you're argument has no weight :cmad:

[Carnage27]

Not really, trusty. I think you're just grasping at straws for some reason to poke holes in people's ideas.

Not every meta is a mutant. That's fine. But to say it's absolutely, positively, impossible for any DC character to be a mutant, and that calling them one, ESPECIALLY when they fall easily into the label (such as Black Lightning), fundamentally changes the character and who they are is pretty ludicrous.

I mean for crying out loud, BL's origin comes from something called the god-damned META-GENE!!!!!!

[trustyside-kick]

I wasn't making an argument. Just describing how OU was.

So you're argument has no weight :cmad:

That was to Carnage. Didn't see you replied a minute earlier I had to help a customer in between posting and typing my message. :cwink: :oldrazz:

[trustyside-kick]

Not really, trusty. I think you're just grasping at straws for some reason to poke holes in people's ideas.

Not every meta is a mutant. That's fine. But to say it's absolutely, positively, impossible for any DC character to be a mutant, and that calling them one, ESPECIALLY when they fall easily into the label (such as Black Lightning), fundamentally changes the character and who they are is pretty ludicrous.

I mean for crying out loud, BL's origin comes from something called the god-damned META-GENE!!!!!!

It completely changes their upbringing. Now x amount of DC characters are mutants who are hated by the community and are staying in a school because they can't try to live normal lives. Changes the perspective of things. Kind of like how if Superman wasn't raised by the Kents, he COULD be totally different. By your argument, I can make X character a mutant, and make him have a totally different personality giving X character is growing up now being hated and hunted down and there is not a thing you can do about it. Per the rules I'm allowed. So when I stop playing that character, suddenly he isn't the same as a new player might and most likely knew him by.

My theory is all about what you are ALLOWING, not what you are doing. I don't know your plans. But you allow for the issues of the old OU to happen again.

[Carnage27]

It completely changes their upbringing. Now x amount of DC characters are mutants who are hated by the community and are staying in a school because they can't try to live normal lives. Changes the perspective of things. Kind of like how if Superman wasn't raised by the Kents, he COULD be totally different.

I think you're looking WAY too deep into this. These characters are still going to be themselves. And I think if you relaxed and enjoyed the game, you'd see that.

[trustyside-kick]

Saying I'm looking too far into it without a counter argument kinda makes you agree with me but since you don't like that I am right you want to turn this into a different type of argument. :cwink:

[Franklin Richards]

Well...

As for my part. Hal Jordan would still be able to be a Green Lantern in the scenario I proposed. I just suggested that in combining the two worlds some things would have to logically happen. If the Sub Mariner and Aquaman both exist then there would have to have been a confrontation by now. Charles Xavier would have detected Black Lightning. Wonder Woman would know or know of Hercules.

...and to my thinking, someone else with more willpower would have been chosen. It's not really altering things as much as the Hulk rampaging through the Graysons. In that scenario Dick's revenge feelings are directly tied into The Hulk. That's a hell of a white whale.

In my scenario, the status quo is kept for the most part. Hal can still be a ring slinger. Emerald Dawn still happens. He just doesn't have the connection to Abin Sur. His dad still got killed in a plane. He still grew up with Carol. He's still trained by Sinestro and Kilowog. All that's happening is that I get Abin Sur and the ring first.

Not that big a stretch considering you're merging two universes.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Byrd Man]

Saying I'm looking too far into it without a counter argument kinda makes you agree with me but since you don't like that I am right you want to turn this into a different type of argument. :cwink:

No, you're just a ****ing anal retentive ****wad. Look, you made it damn well known you won't play in the game come hell or highwater. Drop it at that and be done with it. Agree to disagree, okay?

EDIT: I'm being told the ****wad comment may be taken as personal, but it's not meant to be as such. So, it's not personal. But you're still an anal retentive bastard :cmad:

[Byrd Man]

In my scenario, the status quo is kept for the most part. Hal can still be a ring slinger. Emerald Dawn still happens. He just doesn't have the connection to Abin Sur. His dad still got killed in a plane. He still grew up with Carol. He's still trained by Sinestro and Kilowog. All that's happening is that I get Abin Sur and the ring first.

Not that big a stretch considering you're merging two universes.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

So the thing with Doom would be temporary or what?

[Franklin Richards]

As temporary as it's been for Hal, Guy, John, and Kyle.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[trustyside-kick]

No, you're just a ****ing anal retentive ****wad. Look, you made it damn well known you won't play in the game come hell or highwater. Drop it at that and be done with it. Agree to disagree, okay?

EDIT: I'm being told the ****wad comment may be taken as personal, but it's not meant to be as such. So, it's not personal. But you're still an anal retentive bastard :cmad:

The making of this "universe" is still in motion. So long as it is and not all has been made definite, my interest in this game still exists. The game hasn't started nor has it been decided on all the boundaries. I'm not breaking any rules by the hype so there is no harm in me posting. If you guys want to take it emotionally personal that is your problem.

I'm looking at what some of you want to do and thinking "well technically then Franklin Richards should be able to do what he wants". And I don't even like the idea he is proposing but within your boundaries of the game he is allowed.

Call it playing devil's advocate, if you will.

[wiegeabo]

Well...

As for my part. Hal Jordan would still be able to be a Green Lantern in the scenario I proposed. I just suggested that in combining the two worlds some things would have to logically happen. If the Sub Mariner and Aquaman both exist then there would have to have been a confrontation by now. Charles Xavier would have detected Black Lightning. Wonder Woman would know or know of Hercules.

...and to my thinking, someone else with more willpower would have been chosen. It's not really altering things as much as the Hulk rampaging through the Graysons. In that scenario Dick's revenge feelings are directly tied into The Hulk. That's a hell of a white whale.

In my scenario, the status quo is kept for the most part. Hal can still be a ring slinger. Emerald Dawn still happens. He just doesn't have the connection to Abin Sur. His dad still got killed in a plane. He still grew up with Carol. He's still trained by Sinestro and Kilowog. All that's happening is that I get Abin Sur and the ring first.

Not that big a stretch considering you're merging two universes.


:hal: :hal: :hal:


I'd still say the ring would pick Hal because Doom is a douche.


Seriously, though. Hal is supposed to have the most will power. That's what made him the greatest Green Lantern, and his fall in Emerald Twilight so tragic. Even if Hal doesn't recognize or always show that level of willpower, the ring always says the candidate has the ability for great will power.

So, while Doom may wear his willpower on his sleeve, it could still be argued that Hal has more willpower, and the ring recognizes that.

[wiegeabo]

The making of this "universe" is still in motion. So long as it is and not all has been made definite, my interest in this game still exists. The game hasn't started nor has it been decided on all the boundaries. I'm not breaking any rules by the hype so there is no harm in me posting. If you guys want to take it emotionally personal that is your problem.

I'm looking at what some of you want to do and thinking "well technically then Franklin Richards should be able to do what he wants". And I don't even like the idea he is proposing but within your boundaries of the game he is allowed.

Call it playing devil's advocate, if you will.


We're combining universes, right?

Well, that also means combining the populations of those universes.

So we've got Marvel's population of mutant haters, and DC's population of metahuman...um...likers(?)

So why not just have a huge segment of the population hate mutants, and have another huge segment embrace them like they do in DC. To the point where they call them metahumans, rather than the derogatory term mutant (since all humans are mutants). That could set up a lot of potential conflict for the game.


...and suddenly my juices are flowing.

[Byrd Man]

I'd still say the ring would pick Hal because Doom is a douche.


Seriously, though. Hal is supposed to have the most will power. That's what made him the greatest Green Lantern, and his fall in Emerald Twilight so tragic. Even if Hal doesn't recognize or always show that level of willpower, the ring always says the candidate has the ability for great will power.

So, while Doom may wear his willpower on his sleeve, it could still be argued that Hal has more willpower, and the ring recognizes that.

Not to mention that it leaves the FF high and dry when their greatest enemy is now on the same side as a galactic police officer.

[Carnage27]

...and suddenly my juices are flowing.

And with that, suddenly so are mine.:awesome:

[IKB]

The making of this "universe" is still in motion. So long as it is and not all has been made definite, my interest in this game still exists. The game hasn't started nor has it been decided on all the boundaries. I'm not breaking any rules by the hype so there is no harm in me posting. If you guys want to take it emotionally personal that is your problem.

I'm looking at what some of you want to do and thinking "well technically then Franklin Richards should be able to do what he wants". And I don't even like the idea he is proposing but within your boundaries of the game he is allowed.

Call it playing devil's advocate, if you will.

In full agreement with this.

Micro-managing the direction people might choose to take their characters on their behalf is not a good thing. Whilst well-intentioned in terms of the "What if someone applies and is discouraged by the changes made?" scenario, if people feel they don't have the freedom to try new things that will be equally as discouraging.

I'm not sure how the idea of Doom with a ring would work, but until it's done I'm not going to pass judgement.

[Franklin Richards]

Who says that Doom would quit hating Richards? The ring chose Sinestro in the past and present. The Guardians are emotionless and moving towards this Neutrality / Prime Directive philosophy as we speak in the comics. The ring choosing Victor over Hal is not farfetched.

And does anyone here really think that Hal has more willpower than Doom?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/DoomWill01SW9.jpg


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Byrd Man]

Who says that Doom would quit hating Richards? The ring chose Sinestro in the past and present. The Guardians are emotionless and moving towards this Neutrality / Prime Directive philosophy as we speak in the comics. The ring choosing Victor over Hal is not farfetched.

And does anyone here really think that Hal has more willpower than Doom?


:hal: :hal: :hal:

It's not that much about logistics, it's about trying to start the RPG off on the best foot. Towards the end of season one, Galactus destroyed Oa and then Hal became a Herald Galactus in the next season and the GL mythos in that game never really recovered.

I just feel making Doom a GL could kill any future interest in the GL mythos.

[Franklin Richards]

Why?

Every Lantern ever written is still available.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[trustyside-kick]

We're combining universes, right?

Well, that also means combining the populations of those universes.

So we've got Marvel's population of mutant haters, and DC's population of metahuman...um...likers(?)

So why not just have a huge segment of the population hate mutants, and have another huge segment embrace them like they do in DC. To the point where they call them metahumans, rather than the derogatory term mutant (since all humans are mutants). That could set up a lot of potential conflict for the game.


...and suddenly my juices are flowing.

From what I'm understanding you aren't changing a non-mutant character to a suddenly being a mutant, and rather letting the perception of the world "dictate" what is what.

I'm fine with that. As I said in a previous post, I once said to MB and byrd "wouldn't it be easier just to make Xavier's school for all gifted? (not only mutants so that you don't suddenly make some characters mutants)" and MB retorted to being ok with it I recall and byrd being the one saying "no because it changes Xavier's dream/mission-statement".

Though I still see it as being the same. Xavier's dream is for no persecution for people who are not normal in the end of it all.

[Byrd Man]

Why?

Every Lantern ever written is still available.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

Because your idea for Doom joining the GLC is perfect to you, someone else will ****ing hate it and not want to touch it or anything GL related with a ten foot pole.

[Franklin Richards]

Gotcha.


Get rid of the player you have for the player you don't.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Byrd Man]

Gotcha.


Get rid of the player you have for the player you don't.


:hal: :hal: :hal:

You know what?

Fine.

Go ahead and do your story.

When you inevitably drop out, I'll pick up Doom and clean up your mess.

There.

****ing win/win situation.

[Franklin Richards]

Ooooo K.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[trustyside-kick]

Now onto the Doom topic further for me. The idea of Doom getting a ring isn't the issue so long as it isn't Hal's. But the idea of him keeping it longterm is. I only defended the idea of him getting one. Given Doom is a villain and would be doing villainous deeds...the second he does the ring would be taken from him and then that could lead to Doom trying to escalate conflicts with the rest of the GLC.

Doom REMAINING in the GLC logically doesn't fit, but him having it, abusing it and then losing it, and thus becoming somewhat also a villain for the GLC is fitting.

It's Doom, after all. He could have plans for using the GL that are like loopholes to the Book of Oa. But, yea, I agree with the rest that a permanent Doom doesn't make sense. The second he does anything villainous with it in his possession, it would be taken from him.

[Carnage27]

I better be blown away by the application. Because right now I don't know if I'd approve it.

Messes like Hal becoming Galactus's herald and Galactus destroying Oa basically made the GL Corps non-existent in the last game. Not to mention that I really hate the idea of Sur's ring not going to Hal.

[IKB]

Ooooo K.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Controversy aside and despite being initially skeptical, I'm looking forward to seeing what you'll do with Doom with a Green Lantern ring.

Think it opens up a lot of possibilities.

[Franklin Richards]

Don't sweat it guys.


Just thought I'd try to have some fun. Seemed like you guys were heavily recruiting and I thought it might be cool. I didn't want to shake things up, I just had a nice idea for a story arc.

Of course Doom wasn't going to keep it. That's how it works with bad guys. But since everyone wanted to jump to the end and suck out every ounce of suspense out of it, I'm not really feelin' it like I was.

Oh and Byrd. Don't worry. You won't have to cover for me when I inevitably drop out. I'll just save ya some trouble.


Sorry for all the **** I stirred up.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Byrd Man]

Don't sweat it guys.


Just thought I'd try to have some fun. Seemed like you guys were heavily recruiting and I thought it might be cool. I didn't want to shake things up, I just had a nice idea for a story arc.

Of course Doom wasn't going to keep it. That's how it works with bad guys. But since everyone wanted to jump to the end and suck out every ounce of suspense out of it, I'm not really feelin' it like I was.

Oh and Byrd. Don't worry. You won't have to cover for me when I inevitably drop out. I'll just save ya some trouble.


Sorry for all the **** I stirred up.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Goddamn you! :cmad:

At least play a traditional Doom or some other character, you ***hole

[Carnage27]

Of course Doom wasn't going to keep it. That's how it works with bad guys. But since everyone wanted to jump to the end and suck out every ounce of suspense out of it, I'm not really feelin' it like I was.

No offense man, but when the first person said, "As long as it's temporary." all you had to say was, "Okay." and a lot of this could have been saved.

But when you threw out ideas of getting rid of Sinestro, changing Hal's origin, and basically trying to insist it was a permanent thing it gives people pause. And even if we knew he would lose it eventually doesn't mean you couldn't have told a good story with it.

Just because everyone knew Captain America was going to be frozen in the arctic at the end of the movie, the director still told one damn fine story and made one damn fine movie.

[SuperFerret]

Umm... I have two comments. One, in Marvel, Xavier's School hasn't been strictly mutants only since the 60's, when Mimic joined for a short time. Currently, there's a Brood character attending the school, and Danger (a robot) was part of the team for a bit too.

Second, I won't doubt Doom's willpower, but isn't one of the requirements at the beginning of the GL mythos for a ringbearer is that they have to be fearless. I mean, Doom's pretty good about not showing any weaknesses, but the guy's rife with unconscious fears. Fears that he may be inferior to Richards, fears about his mother. The way I see the story going is the ring might choose him over Hal, but the Guardians wouldn't let him stay a GL for long, driving Doom to be an enemy of the GLC.

The issue here is that while things like Dick having his parent's killed by the Hulk or Black Lightning being a mutant may be big changes, the characters are still who they are. Doom becoming and staying a Green Lantern means that either (1) Doom becomes a hero, or (2) there's a villainous Green Lantern out there. Neither would be true to either character/concept.

But hey, I'd roll with it. (Though I was more hoping to see a post-cosmic ray Ben Grimm split his time between the GLC and the FF. :hal::thing:)


Edit: Well, that exploded while I was typing.

[Harlekin]

Honestly, Hal as a herald of Galactus sounds ****ing awesome.

[Harlekin]

As does a Fantastic Four with Ben not being the Thing but a GL.

[SuperFerret]

It does.

[Carnage27]

Honestly, Hal as a herald of Galactus sounds ****ing awesome.

It was a neat idea that never went ANYWHERE. Hal just disappeared because the fight with Galactus was over and whoever was playing Hal at the time dropped him.

[Franklin Richards]

Ben without a monstrous form is just Hal Jordan.


:thing: :hal: :thing:

[SuperFerret]

So... will there be an OOC thread up soonish? I actually have my app done, as well as a long rambling "brief" history and sample post (which may be split up into two or more posts).

Also, Carny, did you get my MSN invite? I still need to yell at you for taking Animal Man from me in the new DC game. :argh:

I'd be cool with the Thing being a GL.

[Harlekin]

But somebody could've still picked up Hal after that.

[Carnage27]

So... will there be an OOC thread up soonish? I actually have my app done, as well as a long rambling "brief" history and sample post (which may be split up into two or more posts).

I wasn't planning on getting an OOC up until next week. But if people are chomping at the bit as I am (I know I have my apps done), I could put it up this weekend.

Also, Carny, did you get my MSN invite? I still need to yell at you for taking Animal Man from me in the new DC game. :argh:

Yes, I got it. But I'm at work. It's slow, which is why I've been active, but I don't have MSN here.

[SuperFerret]

Actually, I'm cool with all the interesting changes, as long as they make sense both in universe and in character. If hypothetical future players can't work around that, sucks for them.

Look at the last game, twylight and my relationship as Black Canary and Iron Man wasn't anything that either of us planned. The previous Iron Man player set up Dinah as Tony's fiancé, and we had to run with it. It's one of my favorite RPG memories, and if I recall, most people liked what we did with it.

[Byrd Man]

Actually, I'm cool with all the interesting changes, as long as they make sense both in universe and in character. If hypothetical future players can't work around that, sucks for them.

Look at the last game, twylight and my relationship as Black Canary and Iron Man wasn't anything that either of us planned. The previous Iron Man player set up Dinah as Tony's fiancé, and we had to run with it. It's one of my favorite RPG memories, and if I recall, most people liked what we did with it.

I remember that. I tried to play homewrecker with Ollie.

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, so what's your problem? Part of the game is rolling with the punches. Even if the response to Hal being a Herald is: "Hal loses the Power Cosmic somehow and is now a GL again" a halfway competent player can bring things back to square one fairly easily.

[Harlekin]

Honestly, if we can't do balls to the wall bat **** insane stuff in this RPG, where can we?

[Harlekin]

Yeah, so what's your problem? Part of the game is rolling with the punches. Even if the response to Hal being a Herald is: "Hal loses the Power Cosmic somehow and is now a GL again" a halfway competent player can bring things back to square one fairly easily.
I don't have a problem at all.

[SuperFerret]

What that guy said.

I was talking to Byrd. :o

[Byrd Man]

Yeah, so what's your problem? Part of the game is rolling with the punches. Even if the response to Hal being a Herald is: "Hal loses the Power Cosmic somehow and is now a GL again" a halfway competent player can bring things back to square one fairly easily.

I just think folks were intimidated by it. Anytime I told anyone what the deal was they were like "No thanks."

[SuperFerret]

Their loss.

[Harlekin]

Pussies.

[IKB]

The sooner the OOC thread is up, the better.

[Carnage27]

Yeah, so what's your problem? Part of the game is rolling with the punches. Even if the response to Hal being a Herald is: "Hal loses the Power Cosmic somehow and is now a GL again" a halfway competent player can bring things back to square one fairly easily.

I don't have a problem with things like that happening as long as they're organic and the player has the dedication to follow through with it.

The problem I have is negating everything that Hal Jordan is by giving Sur's ring to Doom right off the bat. I don't have a problem with Doom getting a ring. A huge part of Hal's story is having the ring of the great Abin Sur choosing him as the first human Lantern and having the other Lanterns dealing with that fact.

[wiegeabo]

It was a neat idea that never went ANYWHERE. Hal just disappeared because the fight with Galactus was over and whoever was playing Hal at the time dropped him.

It was Johnny Blaze.

Hal didn't just disappear. JB did.

[SuperFerret]

"Here. This ring chose you Hal. It was once Abin Sur's ring, and he was one of the greatest of us. The last guy who held this ring was a disgrace. I hope you do better. We'll be watching."

[Carnage27]

It was Johnny Blaze.

Hal didn't just disappear. JB did.

Okay. I had forgotten, but yea, now that makes sense. Because he was also playing Silver Surfer.

[SuperFerret]

:csad: I worry about JB. He was a cool guy.

[Carnage27]

:csad: I worry about JB. He was a cool guy.

I do too. Especially since no one heard a peep from him when he left.:csad:

[wiegeabo]

"Here. This ring chose you Hal. It was once Abin Sur's ring, and he was one of the greatest of us. The last guy who held this ring was a disgrace. I hope you do better. We'll be watching."

Meh

[wiegeabo]

I do too. Especially since no one heard a peep from him when he left.:csad:

Come on. It takes a while to travel from planet to planet on an interstellar orgy.

[Carnage27]

Okay, moving away from the whole continuity/story talk for a second...

Is everyone ready for the OOC thread? Or no? So far SF and IKB say they're ready. I know I'm ready, and from the sound of things Byrd, MB, and Supergirl are ready.

What about the rest of you?

[SuperFerret]

I'm ready like Freddie.

[trustyside-kick]

I just think folks were intimidated by it. Anytime I told anyone what the deal was they were like "No thanks."

I didn't even know about that. Surprised no one told me. I fixed 2 other OU characters when the poster went AWOL. That would have been an easy fix in 1 arc for me. Not saying I have true interest in it. But that is a 1 arc fix.

[trustyside-kick]

Okay, moving away from the whole continuity/story talk for a second...

Is everyone ready for the OOC thread? Or no? So far SF and IKB say they're ready. I know I'm ready, and from the sound of things Byrd, MB, and Supergirl are ready.

What about the rest of you?

Since it seems like things are going back and forth to how you guys are tweaking parts of character...I guess I will wait to see what you do in your applications to judge. To me, everything is 100% more accessible if the characters past aren't altered, just the present. Hence why I could back up Franklin's Doom idea, but not the idea of making a meta a mutant from birth.

[SuperFerret]

A meta is basically a mutant though. Why not assume if they don't have an origin other than "I've got these powers because I was born special", they're mutants?

[Franklin Richards]

I like the old Marvel RPG.


Mutants
Altered Humans
High Tech Wonders
Aliens
Robots


:D


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[SuperFerret]

But even those altered humans could be latent mutants. :o

[Franklin Richards]

Cloak and Dagger will always be the kids who took drugs to become Superheroes!


:argh:


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[wiegeabo]

I still don't think mutants and metas being the same thing (if it's a power from birth, not accident like Daredevil) is a big deal.

Just go with the combined population thing. If you don't want a DC character effected by mutant hatred, just say they grew up in a meta friendly environment and never bought into the mutant thing.

But it also gives players a chance to play with the mutant hatred for their DC characters.

[trustyside-kick]

A meta is basically a mutant though. Why not assume if they don't have an origin other than "I've got these powers because I was born special", they're mutants?

If I am to accept that they are one and the same then I can argue back then wtf is up with the REAL Marvel Universe? (not even talking about our fictional OU here) Only the mutants are getting the hate from the people of the US, while the other metas don't get any hate at all. Hence one of the reasons I just can't get behind that being part of the infrastructure for this game. :o

Also hence why I can accept what wieg said in a previous post. Doesn't make DC characters mutants, but allows them to be in the school and X-Men.

[SuperFerret]

And mutant hatred for their non-mutant characters. How many times has Spider-Man been accused of it?

[Byrd Man]

A meta is basically a mutant though. Why not assume if they don't have an origin other than "I've got these powers because I was born special", they're mutants?

Exactly. Flash isn't a meta/mutant. Spider-Man isn't. Superman isn't. But anyone who was "born that way" can be a mutant.

[SuperFerret]

If I am to accept that they are one and the same then I can argue back then wtf is up with the REAL Marvel Universe? (not even talking about our fictional OU here) Only the mutants are getting the hate from the people of the US, while the other metas don't get any hate at all. Hence one of the reasons I just can't get behind that being part of the infrastructure for this game. :o

Also hence why I can accept what wieg said in a previous post. Doesn't make DC characters mutants, but allows them to be in the school and X-Men.

Prejudice is a funny thing, and it's terribly inconsistent.

[Carnage27]

So...thoughts on an OOC getting off the ground sooner rather than later?

[SuperFerret]

Thought: Yes.


Damn these muties, always ruining things! :argh:

[wiegeabo]

If I am to accept that they are one and the same then I can argue back then wtf is up with the REAL Marvel Universe? (not even talking about our fictional OU here) Only the mutants are getting the hate from the people of the US, while the other metas don't get any hate at all. Hence one of the reasons I just can't get behind that being part of the infrastructure for this game. :o

Also hence why I can accept what wieg said in a previous post. Doesn't make DC characters mutants, but allows them to be in the school and X-Men.


The mutant hatred in Marvel is based on the fear that normal people might actually be mutants, and their kids might grow up to be mutants. (It's a very close allegory to the current hatred against homosexuals.)

People who become meta, like Cap, are seen as victims who 'overcome' what happened to them and used it to become heroes.

Spidey's been called a mutant plenty of times, and felt the hatred from that, and has had to defend himself from it.

[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Mra2.jpg


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[SuperFerret]

And likely they don't fear people like the Avengers or the FF because they rarely (if ever) self-identify as such. "Mutants" are those dangerous strangers, not our beloved heroes.

Compare to a racist who hates "Muslims" but is genuinely friendly with the neighborhood deli owner (I know, I know, stereotype), because he's familiar.

[Byrd Man]

Compare to a racist who hates "Muslims" but is genuinely friendly with the neighborhood deli owner (I know, I know, stereotype), because he's familiar.


:cmad: I told you that in confidence!

[wiegeabo]

Mutant hatred is supposed to be an irrational fear. That's why it's also so effectively aggravating in the books (and in real life).

[wiegeabo]

:cmad: I told you that in confidence!

Byrd loves the Muslims!

Byrd loves the Muslims!

Byrd loves the Muslims!

[SuperFerret]

I now know why Dust wasn't on the X-Men roster. :o

[Harlekin]

I've got my sample post.

[trustyside-kick]

You know I'm curious...what is the roster for the X-Men?

Because if someone wanted to apply as a DC character you guys want to be on the X-Men...then that kinda messes up your roster as the person actually applying gets priority over an NPC.

[SuperFerret]

I'm assuming it's a tentative one for now. I only use Marvel X-Men as NPCs in my application.

[Byrd Man]

You know I'm curious...what is the roster for the X-Men?

Because if someone wanted to apply as a DC character you guys want to be on the X-Men...then that kinda messes up your roster as the person actually applying gets priority over an NPC.

The roster's big enough and all the DC characters on the roster are people who aren't exactly that sought after. Has anyone ever used Geo-Force in an RPG ever?

[Carnage27]

The roster's big enough and all the DC characters on the roster are people who aren't exactly that sought after. Has anyone ever used Geo-Force in an RPG ever?

Yea. It's basically all second or third tier characters we have on the X roster from DC except for a few names, one of which someone is applying for.

[trustyside-kick]

It being a "big" list doesn't sound good, though. Makes sense to only have a list of people that will actually be used in your missions on the teams as NPCs. Also since the list isn't being revealed.

[Carnage27]

It being a "big" list doesn't sound good, though. Makes sense to only have a list of people that will actually be used in your missions on the teams as NPCs. Also since the list isn't being revealed.

The list is big because we have to populate the school and Brotherhood as well.

[trustyside-kick]

And then forces those characters when a person actually does want to play to be part of that. This would be much less of a witch hunt if a list was provided. Because a concern of mine is that suddenly a bunch of TT, Outsiders, Young Justice, and younger JSA members are suddenly part of the school.

[SuperFerret]

I figure most of the roster is just the student body, characters that won't be X-Men unless they're played.

If anyone is wondering, I'm using Rogue as an NPC in my sample.

I'd provide the list, but it's not my list.

[Carnage27]

And then forces those characters when a person actually does want to play to be part of that. This would be much less of a witch hunt if a list was provided. Because a concern of mine is that suddenly a bunch of TT, Outsiders, Young Justice, and younger JSA members are suddenly part of the school.

Then if someone wants to play them, they can leave the school like Starfire did in the last game to join up with the Titans.

Hell, Shadowcat was a PC that left the school to live in Gotham because she was dating Robin.

Just because they start out in the school doesn't restrict them from ONLY being in the school.

[Harlekin]

The roster's big enough and all the DC characters on the roster are people who aren't exactly that sought after. Has anyone ever used Geo-Force in an RPG ever?
Do you even really need to ask? DC RPG, season four, I think. NPC for Deadshot.

[Harlekin]

I can see trusty's concern with pulling too many of the younger DC characters into the X-Men. Titans make a relatively natural fit (as would some Doom Patrollers, naturally), but maybe try and keep young JSA'ers out of it. At least for a while.

But I do agree that it's relatively easy to write yourself out of the X-Men if one wants to.

[Carnage27]

I can see trusty's concern with pulling too many of the younger DC characters into the X-Men. Titans make a relatively natural fit (as would some Doom Patrollers, naturally), but maybe try and keep young JSA'ers out of it. At least for a while.

But I do agree that it's relatively easy to write yourself out of the X-Men if one wants to.

From the top of my mind, the only young JSA'er at the school is Cyclone. And I know Starfire is there as an alien student.

[trustyside-kick]

Cyclone is a character whose origins are 100% immersed in JSA lore. Yea, I doubt anyone will pick her but that doesn't mean it's good. You are doing it for the sake of it.

[Byrd Man]

Cyclone is a character whose origins are 100% immersed in JSA lore. Yea, I doubt anyone will pick her but that doesn't mean it's good. You are doing it for the sake of it.

She can still be Ma Hunkel's granddaughter and part of the JSA lore and be part of the X-Men. Someone wants her to go to the JSA, all it takes is one or two sentences and she's there.

[trustyside-kick]

It's just by saying you tried to/wanted to fill the populace with DC chars for the mutant school doesn't make it sound like you are planning to use majority of them except in passing mention as an NPC. Even with making the school for all gifted (which I'm fine with) fact is they go there to not be persecuted and live peacefully. Bottom line. That changes enough about a character IMO and they are just going to be "there" to be there from what you say since it is no big deal if they leave.

[Byrd Man]

It's just by saying you tried to/wanted to fill the populace with DC chars for the mutant school doesn't make it sound like you are planning to use majority of them except in passing mention as an NPC. Even with making the school for all gifted (which I'm fine with) fact is they go there to not be persecuted and live peacefully. Bottom line. That changes enough about a character IMO and they are just going to be "there" to be there from what you say since it is no big deal if they leave.

If it's no big deal, then why do you care?

[wiegeabo]

I thought one of the complaints about All-Star Marvel was the constant name dropping of characters screwing things up. This seems like the same thing.

[trustyside-kick]

If it's no big deal, then why do you care?

No I'm pointing out your contradiction. You are saying they are in the school. Purpose of the school? Allow them to live peacefully and without persecution since they were outside of the school. And then you say "then they can just leave" means then they really didn't NEED the protection, did they?

[Byrd Man]

I thought one of the complaints about All-Star Marvel was the constant name dropping of characters screwing things up. This seems like the same thing.

No.

[Byrd Man]

No I'm pointing out your contradiction. You are saying they are in the school. Purpose of the school? Allow them to live peacefully and without persecution since they were outside of the school. And then you say "then they can just leave" means then they really didn't NEED the protection, did they?

I don't know. And honestly, all this goddamn nitpicking has killed my enthusiasm for doing anything X-Men related. I was going to change them up and make them something different, unlike the X-Men in the last OU. But I'll just focus on my first choice of character.

Congrats, trusty.

You win.

[wiegeabo]

No.

How?

[SuperFerret]

Trusty brings up some good points. Certain characters may not fit in with the school's purpose. It isn't just a generic superhuman school. You have to have problems to get in.

[Byrd Man]

Trusty brings up some good points. Certain characters may not fit in with the school's purpose. It isn't just a generic superhuman school. You have to have problems to get in.

And all of them were going to be mutants/aliens.

[trustyside-kick]

And all of them were going to be mutants/aliens.

But then you guys mentioned 2 that were not and 1 that was. What did we refute? The two that were not. And this nitpicking is all about getting things set.

What is the thing we look for with new games being created? Things being concrete and set. So don't give me that and blame me for anything.

It's one thing to have a general idea (which is what this game had with the premise of Cap and the JSA being in WWII and then now everyone has been around for about a year). Now with people's questions about the rest we get into the finer details to iron them out.

[SuperFerret]

Yes, but not all mutants or aliens are going to be persecuted. Growing up around the JSA would give Cyclone a good support structure so she won't need the school. People like I think we should look at the roster and figure out which characters would work in the scope that the X-Men have.

[Franklin Richards]

Of course.


I'll be taking applications for the Power Pack.


:o


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[trustyside-kick]

I thought one of the complaints about All-Star Marvel was the constant name dropping of characters screwing things up. This seems like the same thing.

IMO that's a complaint about any game. Plenty of times we have seen new applicants ask if anything's been done with X character and we would say "well, just this and they said that they were in that" (so they were not even NPCed) and people were then like "nah, that's fine...I'll think of another character".

[Byrd Man]

Yes, but not all mutants or aliens are going to be persecuted. Growing up around the JSA would give Cyclone a good support structure so she won't need the school. People like I think we should look at the roster and figure out which characters would work in the scope that the X-Men have.

I'll send you the list. Feel free to pick and choose how you feel.

[Carnage27]

I really think people are nitpicking what could be a great fricking thing if they left it alone and let it breath and grow organically instead of getting their effing panties in a bunch.

[trustyside-kick]

When there's a purpose for something, there's a purpose. You wouldn't have men going to a women's shelter.

Xavier's School is like the only thing that is confined really in both universes. Hence why the X-Men themselves are practically in their own universe within the very MU.

[SuperFerret]

DC Characters I feel would fit the X-Men student body: Bumblebee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_%28comics%29), Beast Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Boy) (his disease could be the catalyst for his mutant gene to activate), Starfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfire_%28comics%29), Terra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_%28comics%29), Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28comics%29), Prysm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prysm), Offspring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offspring_%28comics%29), Static (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_%28DC_Comics%29) (The "Bang Babies" could be a group of kids whose mutant powers manifested at the same time.), and Solstice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solstice_%28comics%29).

Granted, I pulled all from the Teen Titans, but I think it's a good list to start from.

[SuperFerret]

When there's a purpose for something, there's a purpose. You wouldn't have men going to a women's shelter.

Xavier's School is like the only thing that is confined really in both universes. Hence why the X-Men themselves are practically in their own universe within the very MU.

Which is why I, for one, chose a character to be part of the team that isn't a mutant, but fits their concept, in order to pull them into a shared universe. The X-Universe (as well as the Bat-verse) is something I hate about comics, you're part of a shared world, exist in it.



I really think we're all taking this too seriously though. Let's just have fun with this.