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11-07-2011, 05:33 PM

This is a continuation thread, the old thread is 351973

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11-07-2011, 05:33 PM

This is a continuation thread, the old thread is 346735

marcvader

11-07-2011, 05:33 PM

Seconded^^

BigThor

11-07-2011, 06:16 PM

I think I'm a bit more excited about seeing Ms. Marvel than Vision.

scatterax

11-07-2011, 07:03 PM

the ff is gonna be tight

GoldGoblin

11-07-2011, 08:20 PM

I just started watching this show on Netflix,and i'm on episode 13.Does anyone know if these characters are on the show or in season 2?

-Whiplash
-Taskmaster
-Doc Ock

Anubis

11-07-2011, 09:06 PM

No, no, and no.

misjuevos

11-07-2011, 11:05 PM

i can't wait to see the cosmic stuff, hope we get some silver surfer somewhere. or how about galactus vs everyone. mostly i want to see more about the kree and skrulls. maybe an episode about some border skirmish between the 2 sides. i would settle for a story from mar-vell about some battle he was in on some distant galaxy.

The Squirrel

11-07-2011, 11:07 PM

Was a start date given?

lixdexia

11-08-2011, 02:58 AM

I think I'm a bit more excited about seeing Ms. Marvel than Vision.
false.

Savage

11-08-2011, 06:25 AM

I gotta agree there. I never was a Vision fan. Of all the Avengers he had the least appeal to me. Maybe I liked Tigra less but I really can't think of many Avengers I liked less than Vision.

That's not dislike, mind you, just indifference in comparison to other characters like Beast, Wonder Man, even Moon Knight, and that's before I mention bigger characters like Cap, Iron Man, and Thor.

BigThor

11-08-2011, 09:04 AM

false.

No, it's true

i can't wait to see the cosmic stuff, hope we get some silver surfer somewhere. or how about galactus vs everyone.

I definately would like to see Silver Surfer appear in a few episodes and I want him to have a fairly large role in atleast two of them.

Sockie

11-08-2011, 12:03 PM

No, no, and no.

Whiplash IS in the first season, though. Or at least, the female one is.

TheVileOne

11-08-2011, 04:17 PM

I'd love it if we could get Taskmaster voiced by Steven Blum in this series.

Dread

11-09-2011, 12:14 AM

I'd love it if we could get Taskmaster voiced by Steven Blum in this series.

That would be cool. It would add to the Marvel characters Blum has got to voice - not just Wolverine, but Green Goblin and Red Skull.

Definitely down for more A:EMH. I'm excited for Vision AND Ms. Marvel almost equally. I thought Hale did a great job with Danvers before, and adding another regular heroine to the cast (besides Black Widow as a semi-regular guest star) should be a boon to the series. I hope the "team turns on each other" angle to the Skrull Invasion bit doesn't last too long and we get back to over the top epic-ness. I imagine that plot may work as a merger of CIVIL WAR with the SENSATIONAL HYDRA plot from Waid's CAPTAIN AMERICA run in the late 90's. Can't wait to see more villains. While guest appearances by the FF are cool, hopefully the show doesn't go too mad with that and continues to focus on it's core cast, which is where the strength is.

Anubis

11-09-2011, 12:24 AM

Whiplash IS in the first season, though. Or at least, the female one is.
Yeah, but he asked second season.

marcvader

11-09-2011, 01:41 AM

I wouldn't mind an appearance by the Xmen in season 3.

Sockie

11-09-2011, 11:10 AM

Yeah, but he asked second season.

Nah, he said "on the show or in the second season." Whiplash is on the show.

Venom Melendez

11-09-2011, 09:05 PM

I just started watching this show on Netflix,and i'm on episode 13.Does anyone know if these characters are on the show or in season 2?

-Whiplash
-Taskmaster
-Doc Ock

Whiplash already showed up in season 1. They are using the female one.

Taskmaster isn't showing up.They couldn't work him in, the only hope for him to show up is if there's a season 3.

Season 1 and 2 were being made before Marvel got the tv rights to Spidey, so no to Doc Ock. Again, depends if there's a season 3.

Venom Melendez

11-09-2011, 09:09 PM

That would be cool. It would add to the Marvel characters Blum has got to voice - not just Wolverine, but Green Goblin and Red Skull.

Definitely down for more A:EMH. I'm excited for Vision AND Ms. Marvel almost equally. I thought Hale did a great job with Danvers before, and adding another regular heroine to the cast (besides Black Widow as a semi-regular guest star) should be a boon to the series. I hope the "team turns on each other" angle to the Skrull Invasion bit doesn't last too long and we get back to over the top epic-ness. I imagine that plot may work as a merger of CIVIL WAR with the SENSATIONAL HYDRA plot from Waid's CAPTAIN AMERICA run in the late 90's. Can't wait to see more villains. While guest appearances by the FF are cool, hopefully the show doesn't go too mad with that and continues to focus on it's core cast, which is where the strength is.

Blum has already voiced Taskmaster(Marvel vs. Capcom 3), i'm guessing that's why he suggested him.

Blum has also voiced Bullseye(Punisher PS2 game), Abomination and Vanisher(WatX).

Panthro

11-09-2011, 09:09 PM

I'd like to see Hercules show up at some point, and I'd like to nominate John DiMaggio to do Herc's voice.

lixdexia

11-09-2011, 09:43 PM

I'd like to see Hercules show up at some point, and I'd like to nominate John DiMaggio to do Herc's voice.
could not possibly support this more:up:

Venom Melendez

11-10-2011, 12:06 AM

I'd like to see Hercules show up at some point, and I'd like to nominate John DiMaggio to do Herc's voice.

Eh, Kevin Sorbo would be better.

Anubis

11-10-2011, 12:13 AM

If by better you mean a stupid idea that serves as nothing more than an Easter Egg for people that watched his crappy show, then yeah. :o

Panthro

11-10-2011, 01:14 AM

Well voice casting should be based on what voice best fits the character design, regardless of whether it's a big name celebrity or a regular working class voice actor. Looking at how Hercules is drawn in Marvel comics I could easily imagine John DiMaggio's voice coming out of Herc's mouth (or Gary Chalk of Beast Wars Transformers). Nothing personal against Kevin Sorbo but I can't imagine his voice matching up well with the Marvel Hercules.

Venomfan

11-10-2011, 01:29 PM

i totally want him to do the exact same voice he uses for aquaman, i love it

JoeyConQueso

11-10-2011, 02:46 PM

Eh, Kevin Sorbo would be better.

He's so lifeless

He did do voice work before though but I can't remember how that worked out. I think they had him as Kazar on Super Hero Squad, last I remembered.

Panthro

11-10-2011, 03:13 PM

i totally want him to do the exact same voice he uses for aquaman, i love it

Definitely.

Dread

11-10-2011, 03:48 PM

Blum has already voiced Taskmaster(Marvel vs. Capcom 3), i'm guessing that's why he suggested him.

Blum has also voiced Bullseye(Punisher PS2 game), Abomination and Vanisher(WatX).

I didn't know Blum was the one who voiced Taskie in MVC3. Naturally, I presumed he did Wolverine. And I did neglect looking up his video game voice credits.

I was a little surprised he wasn't recast as Wolverine for the various anime dubs of X-MEN and WOLVERINE from Madhouse that're coming out.

I'd like to see Hercules show up at some point, and I'd like to nominate John DiMaggio to do Herc's voice.

I agree with that choice. Every time I hear DiMaggio voice Aquaman, I just imagine Hercules. It's the beard and his over the top persona.

akfj

11-10-2011, 04:05 PM

I was a little surprised he wasn't recast as Wolverine for the various anime dubs of X-MEN and WOLVERINE from Madhouse that're coming out.

He is Wolverine for the X-Men anime.

Venom Melendez

11-10-2011, 08:42 PM

Dread

11-11-2011, 01:32 AM

He is Wolverine for the X-Men anime.

Alrighty then. They just recast him for the WOLVERINE anime. Makes a whole lot of sense. :o

GoldGoblin

11-14-2011, 04:36 PM

Have they said what villains will be in season 2?

Panthro

11-14-2011, 04:41 PM

Have they said what villains will be in season 2?
Dr. Doom and the Skrulls are set to appear, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see Red Skull return along with Amora the Enchantress (the Marvel guys love themselves some Kari Wahlgren).

Sockie

11-14-2011, 05:52 PM

Kang, Ultron, AIM, and the Masters of Evil are all confirmed to be returning.

BigThor

11-14-2011, 06:38 PM

Kang, Ultron, AIM, and the Masters of Evil are all confirmed to be returning.

Hopefully we can fight between The Masters of Evil and The Avengers where they're paired up more evenly than in their fight in the first season's.

R_Hythlodeus

11-15-2011, 04:41 AM

does anyone know when season 1 will be available on DVD in Europe?

Lady Marion

11-15-2011, 07:11 AM

Amazon UK sells the DVDs. In Germany i didn't found them :-(

R_Hythlodeus

11-15-2011, 01:39 PM

Amazon UK sells the DVDs. In Germany i didn't found them :-(
That's why I asked. I know that SuperRTL aired a couple of episodes, so they should be dubbed already. I wonder why they don't sell them already.

Lady Marion

11-16-2011, 01:21 AM

All episodes are dubbed, I saw them on pay-TV - Disney XD. And I don't understand why SuperRTL aired only a few episodes.

Holiday

11-20-2011, 12:01 PM

Does Disney XD really only air this show at 1:am on Sunday and Monday morning? Seems like they'd play it more, and at a decent hour.

JoeyConQueso

11-20-2011, 09:44 PM

Does Disney XD really only air this show at 1:am on Sunday and Monday morning? Seems like they'd play it more, and at a decent hour.
A couple of months back, the show was also getting some play time on Saturday and Friday nights but these are sadly the only slots that it currently has. It's a shame that it is one of their top 6 (probably about 6) current and original series and it's one of only two current original animated series but it doesn't even get half as many airings as six year old Zack and Cody episodes. Heck, it doesn't even get half as many airings as X-Men Evolution, which airs during the late night every weekday. Even 90s Spider-Man gets about two hours on the weekend. It's not that I really care about this but it's still strange.

Hopefully, it will get a decent (and consistent) timeslot when season 2 and Ultimate Spider-Man hit the airwaves.

Holiday

11-22-2011, 03:54 PM

Yeah, it's just not a smart move what they are doing now. Seems like they'd want to air the show weekdays in the afternoon to keep the kids watching and continue to keep introducing new fans. I suppose airing it everyday would get old quick due to the low number of episodes but 2-3 episodes a week would work.

Also, yeah, there better be a consistent timeslot for season 2. Nothing kills a show like moving it around the schedule or it having a bad timeslot.

marcvader

11-22-2011, 04:08 PM

Growing up the prime cartoon watching time was after school till about 5 and Saturday mornings till noon. I wasn't a regular watcher week day mornings before school but it was an option as well.

Holiday

11-22-2011, 04:28 PM

Yep, I always had to get home after school to catch Batman and on weekends wake up to watch Spider-man and the Fox Kids line-up.

marcvader

11-22-2011, 04:47 PM

Double

Fullhouse

11-23-2011, 11:18 AM

do you have any else pics about ?

Quasimod0

11-24-2011, 11:44 AM

What?

venomfangs125

11-30-2011, 06:21 AM

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=733

It's sad. I actually think all this waiting is literally making me physically ill... :csad:

JoeyConQueso

11-30-2011, 12:30 PM

Looks like those might be season one episodes.

Spider-Vader

12-01-2011, 06:41 PM

*bangs head on wall* Come ooooooooooooooooooooon, Disney!

Spidey_62

12-01-2011, 06:43 PM

I really miss this show, Disney XD barely even plays it any more... They only play it like at 3 am on the weekends.

venomfangs125

12-10-2011, 03:14 PM

I read somewhere on Facebook that there's a rumor going around that Ultimate Spider-Man and the 2nd season of Avengers airs January. Thoughts...?

Because frankly I'll say again, this waiting is making me phyiscally ill. :csad:

I keep watching the Avengers Season 2 trailer over and over and always think 'How the hell can they make us wait for this?'

No offense to this show's brilliance but I can only watch Season 1 so many times....

Panthro

12-10-2011, 04:24 PM

CaptainStacy

12-18-2011, 11:41 AM

I really miss this show, Disney XD barely even plays it any more... They only play it like at 3 am on the weekends.

Yeah, i've been wondering what the hell happened to this show...i thought it got cancelled. When exactly is it starting up again...?

Spider-ManHero12

12-18-2011, 01:23 PM

^^ I'm not sure. I think the new season starts in early 2012.

CaptainStacy

12-18-2011, 06:56 PM

^^ I'm not sure. I think the new season starts in early 2012.

Hope so!

bored

12-19-2011, 07:32 PM

It will start again when we have world peace :(

DawnWarrior

12-20-2011, 05:25 AM

Is it still gonna air in the UK and Australia first?

Dread

12-21-2011, 12:38 AM

venomfangs125

12-30-2011, 04:44 PM

I think DisneyXD may for once be the less dumb party. Recently read that Ultimate Spider-Man airs next month. Which also means Avengers S2 will come out. :yay: I caught a glimpse of a January 8th release, thoughts?

I certainly hope these aren't false.

For the 3rd time, this waiting is making me physically ill. :csad:

steintym

12-30-2011, 08:40 PM

I don't see how they can possibly think this show can gain any popularity with the delays. It's almost as if they're trying to make it fail. Hopefully, S2 will be awesome and they'll keep 'em coming.

JoeyConQueso

12-31-2011, 01:38 PM

Well, at least the first half should be pretty awesome. Hopefully the second half doesn't drop in quality.

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=744

Panthro

12-31-2011, 02:00 PM

The real question; will Season 2 of "A:EMH" debut before Cartoon Network finishes airing the rest of Season 1 of "YOUNG JUSTICE"? Which network will prove more incompetent when it comes to buzz with their audiences in an era where cable continues to battle the Internet for ratings?

DisneyXD vs. Cartoon Network - who will be Dumb or Dumber? :rolleyes:

Yes, show more episodes already.

Good question.

Totally irrelevant but a friend of mine made this for me as Christmas present and since things are slow going I thought I'd share her work with the hype -

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/Art/01AntManWaspChristmasArt.jpg

JoeyConQueso

01-03-2012, 01:58 PM

That's pretty awesome. I always love seeing AEMH art.

steintym

01-03-2012, 03:15 PM

Looks good, pretty cool.

Panthro

01-03-2012, 06:16 PM

That's pretty awesome. I always love seeing AEMH art.

Looks good, pretty cool.

I'll let her know you both approve. She also drew these (based on the poster for the 1982 film version of Conan the Barbarian)-

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/Art/02captain_marvel_and_ms__marvel_2_by_gothic_angel_ luna-d4l3fya.jpg

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/Art/01captain_marvel_and_ms__marvel_1_by_gothic_angel_ luna-d4l0y23.jpg

You can find more of her art here -

http://gothic-angel-luna.deviantart.com/gallery/

And her You-Tube channel can be subscribed to here -

http://www.youtube.com/user/aveo217

Superhero 101

01-03-2012, 07:22 PM

Those are nice!

BigThor

01-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Well, at least the first half should be pretty awesome. Hopefully the second half doesn't drop in quality.

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=744

I just hope The Avengers fight more evenly with the villaisn this time around, in season one it seemed like they we're getting tossed around like rag dolls everytime a new villain showed up.

Spider-Vader

01-04-2012, 08:44 PM

Well, at least the first half should be pretty awesome. Hopefully the second half doesn't drop in quality.

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=744

Well, he did mention that MOA has already worked on a couple episodes of the show. I wonder which ones they were.

Cyclonus

01-05-2012, 07:45 AM

Wow, I can't believe how Disney XD has completely killed this series. We've been waiting on new episodes for over 6 months and the station doesn't even show season 1 episodes at a decent time anymore, its like there not even promoting one of there top shows. A few friends of mines even mentioned that they don't even care for the show anymore because its never on or there's no new episodes. One friend of mines thought the show was over. Well its 2012 and still no new episodes, they can't let this show go out like Wolverine and the X-MEN (which they should bring back), the way its going we will sometime see season 2 but they won't make a season 3 which would be sad.

The Morningstar

01-05-2012, 07:51 AM

They're clearly waiting to air the new season so it coincides with the Avengers movie marketing blitz. Which I imagine is gearing up very soon.

TheCorpulent1

01-05-2012, 10:04 AM

I've been watching random episodes on Netflix and On Demand lately. It's kind of sad how badly I want new episodes of this show. :csad:

TheVileOne

01-05-2012, 09:21 PM

Disney XD at least showed a whole season of 26 episodes of Avengers.

Cartoon Network I think to date has shown about two episodes of Young Justice :p .

TheCorpulent1

01-05-2012, 09:30 PM

I'm glad for that. Young Justice wasn't all that good, so I just lost track of it and forgot about it altogether when Cartoon Network was dicking around waiting for more episodes. I'd have been quite upset if I were still waiting for Avengers' first season to finish right now because it's friggin' awesome.

Panthro

01-05-2012, 10:17 PM

BigThor

01-06-2012, 06:23 PM

I liked Young Justice, it's not as good as Avengers:EMH but it did do a better job portraying it's characters with consistent power levels.

venomfangs125

01-06-2012, 06:47 PM

I liked Young Justice, it's not as good as Avengers:EMH but it did do a better job portraying it's characters with consistent power levels.

I'm glad for that. Young Justice wasn't all that good, so I just lost track of it and forgot about it altogether when Cartoon Network was dicking around waiting for more episodes. I'd have been quite upset if I were still waiting for Avengers' first season to finish right now because it's friggin' awesome.

These.

And some people say YJ's the better show. They haven't even finished airing S1 episodes. All it's got on Avengers is maybe some better dialogue and animation, but that's all.

A:EMH needs to f****** air some new episodes!!!! Pardon my langauge but, it looks like January's a no go as well. At this rate, they may as well have cancelled the damn show.

Does anyone agree how ridiculous this is?

"They want the show to coincide with the movie." Big whoop. Knowing Marvel, the movie won't be anything like the cartoon. Just give us the cartoon!!

TheCorpulent1

01-06-2012, 06:51 PM

gkokujin

01-06-2012, 07:09 PM

BigThor

01-06-2012, 07:35 PM

TheCorpulent1

01-06-2012, 07:36 PM

It was funny the first time, but when he does it in almost every episode, it becomes annoying.

Panthro

01-06-2012, 09:08 PM

Here's another difference between YJ & Avengers: EM - I actually care about the Avengers, both as a whole & as individuals unto themselves. With YJ I care about maybe 3 of the 6 main characters - Aqualad, Robin (when he's not doing that thing where he cuts up words) and maybe Artemis (if nothing else she's more engaging than Miss Martian).

BigThor

01-07-2012, 12:28 AM

It was funny the first time, but when he does it in almost every episode, it becomes annoying.

Well I like it, it's of my favorite things about the show.

TheCorpulent1

01-07-2012, 07:36 AM

TheVileOne

01-08-2012, 04:21 PM

I can't stand Miss Manhunter on Young Justice.

Panthro

01-08-2012, 04:56 PM

I can't stand Miss Manhunter on Young Justice.

Miss Martian, actually.

TheVileOne

01-08-2012, 09:41 PM

*slaps palm to forehead* HELLO MEE-GAN!

lixdexia

01-08-2012, 10:04 PM

ban

R_Hythlodeus

01-09-2012, 06:45 PM

Disney XD to Launch Marvel Universe April 1! The premiere of Ultimate #SpiderMan (https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/%23SpiderMan) & return of #AvengersEMH (https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/%23AvengersEMH)!
neat!

Gamma Burst

01-09-2012, 06:53 PM

Great news!

Chewy

01-09-2012, 07:45 PM

Good news! A date

April 1st? Too far away

TheCorpulent1

01-09-2012, 07:47 PM

AWESOh wait, April? Goddamnit. :cmad:

GamerSlyRatchet

01-09-2012, 08:00 PM

I'd say just animation. The dialogue is half the problem with YJ for me, between Superboy roaring like the Hulk most of the time, Miss Martian's "HELLO, MEGAN" catchphrase, and Robin's weird parsing of simple words.

Didn't he do that, like, in one episode?

If the only thing we have to complain about a show are speech quirks that don't even show up every episode, then we're in good shape.

Anyways, April is way too long of a wait for new Avengers, especially for a Doom episode. And this Marvel block deal doesn't look as appealing as DC Nation, with only EMH looking interesting (Ultimate Spider-Man looks incredibly dull so far, and not a big fan of the premise for the Hulk show).

steintym

01-09-2012, 08:03 PM

April?!?!? WTF?

I cannot believe what they do to this show.

TheCorpulent1

01-09-2012, 08:04 PM

I have plenty of other things to complain about for YJ, but I've already mentioned them in other threads when I was still making an effort to keep up with the show. After about 3/4ths of a season where I still wasn't enjoying more than about 10% of any given episode, I figured it just wasn't for me and quit watching. To each his own.

Panthro

01-09-2012, 09:02 PM

April? Friggin' April?! That ain't right!

Spider-Vader

01-09-2012, 09:02 PM

We finally have a date? HALLELUJAH!

JoeyConQueso

01-09-2012, 09:25 PM

Excuse me while I hibernate...

marcvader

01-09-2012, 09:51 PM

At least we finally have certainty. Looking forward to it.

BigThor

01-09-2012, 11:06 PM

Young Justice's heroes are more consistently powered than A:EMH's heroes though, I know it's not as important as proper characterization but it's still fairly important.

TheCorpulent1

01-09-2012, 11:26 PM

I don't know, I'm kind of okay with sacrificing a little consistency for some really awesome moments. It's not so bad on Avengers, either. I mean, no one's randomly sprouting new powers every episode or anything. People may seem relatively stronger or weaker or tougher in different episodes, but that's fairly true to life. Two boxers could go at it on two different occasions with two different results due to a multitude of subtle factors.

Superhero 101

01-09-2012, 11:41 PM

Seriously on April Fool's Day it'sso far away

BigThor

01-10-2012, 02:08 AM

Iron_Stark

01-10-2012, 08:25 AM

Well atleast they have a start date set in stone, too bad its a couple of months away.

venomfangs125

01-10-2012, 11:52 AM

I say, what the hell. So long as we have a frickin' date and they don't stop airing the episodes.

TheVileOne

01-10-2012, 08:35 PM

I don't see anything inconsistent on depictions in Avengers.

BigThor

01-10-2012, 08:49 PM

^^^ Ok

steintym

01-10-2012, 08:55 PM

Makes you wonder how long we'll have to wait for season 3, if one will even happen.

Holiday

01-10-2012, 09:21 PM

I'm just happy we have a set date so I won't complain. 3 months will go by shortly anyway.

JoeyConQueso

01-10-2012, 09:22 PM

With the original creators gone, I could picture them doing a spinoff series if they decided to do more (e.g., Justice League Unlimited, Ben 10 Alien Force, Batman: Gotham Knights), especially now that the show has already reached 52. Avengers Forever, perhaps ? They could just as easily retire the Avengers until it's time for a new movie and then focus on that Agents of SMASH show but hopefully that won't happen.

TheCorpulent1

01-12-2012, 08:30 PM

Makes you wonder how long we'll have to wait for season 3, if one will even happen.
I'm not holding out any hope whatsoever for a season 3. The original creators are out and Loeb's probably got plans of his own. I could see him closing the book on Avengers and focusing on a new series featuring whatever characters will be in Marvel's movies next year instead.

steintym

01-12-2012, 08:41 PM

I'm not holding out any hope whatsoever for a season 3. The original creators are out and Loeb's probably got plans of his own. I could see him closing the book on Avengers and focusing on a new series featuring whatever characters will be in Marvel's movies next year instead.

Unfortunately, I think you're probably correct :csad:

TheCorpulent1

01-12-2012, 08:43 PM

Eh, 2 seasons at 20+ episodes per season is better than a lot of shows get these days. We'll always have the DVDs. ;)

Anubis

01-12-2012, 09:04 PM

I hate when people say that. We'll always have the stuff we already have. F**K THAT! :argh:

I want new stuff!

TheCorpulent1

01-12-2012, 09:06 PM

Well, you'll take what you get and you'll like it, goddamnit. And not a spoonful more! :cmad:

Anubis

01-12-2012, 09:11 PM

Oh yeah? Well when you get old I'm gonna put you in one of them old folks homes where they slap you around and steal your tapioca pudding cups.

TheCorpulent1

01-12-2012, 09:19 PM

Sounds awesome terrible. Because people don't like getting slapped around. Obviously.

:o

Anubis

01-12-2012, 09:21 PM

You been hanging around with Mysti too much. :o

Venom Melendez

01-13-2012, 03:55 PM

Yeah I see what you mean, but things got a little absurd on a few episodes though (ie, Hulk being knocked out by missles from a miltary vehicle).

That's not absurd at all. That has happened. It wasn't enough to beat him anyway. After all, Hulk's power level depends on his anger.

And the fact that it doesn't kill him still shows he's incredibly strong.

I'm not holding out any hope whatsoever for a season 3. The original creators are out and Loeb's probably got plans of his own. I could see him closing the book on Avengers and focusing on a new series featuring whatever characters will be in Marvel's movies next year instead.

They could always give it to Dini, he's already working on the USM toon and the new Hulk cartoon.

BigThor

01-13-2012, 07:27 PM

That's not absurd at all. That has happened. It wasn't enough to beat him anyway. After all, Hulk's power level depends on his anger.

He was unconscious, last time I checked being knocked unconscious qualified as getting defeated.

gkokujin

01-13-2012, 08:37 PM

R_Hythlodeus

01-15-2012, 04:53 AM

I'm not holding out any hope whatsoever for a season 3. The original creators are out and Loeb's probably got plans of his own. I could see him closing the book on Avengers and focusing on a new series featuring whatever characters will be in Marvel's movies next year instead.
that's sad but true.
I don't know why they handed the series over to Loeb.
His last good comic book was over a decade ago.

Panthro

01-15-2012, 10:55 AM

that's sad but true.
I don't know why they handed the series over to Loeb.
His last good comic book was over a decade ago.
Probably because he sleeps with the right (or wrong) people.

R_Hythlodeus

01-15-2012, 10:59 AM

Probably because he sleeps with the right (or wrong) people.
thought so...

Dread

01-18-2012, 02:32 AM

Disney XD to Launch Marvel Universe April 1! The premiere of Ultimate #SpiderMan & return of #AvengersEMH!

I knew that the debut of "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" was going to be on April Fool's Day (seriously, that's a bad omen, what suit thought of that date), and having Season 2 of "A:EMH" start at the same night for Disney's Marvel Block makes sense. By then, the Avengers film is a month away so everyone wants to gear up for it. On the downside, it's been about a year since new episodes have aired - at least to those of us who watched them first elsewhere. On the upside, Disney XD has a history of showing episodes in modestly sane procession once they actually debut, in clips of 8-12 in a row without too long of a gap in between. This season will be different because we'll actually get 26 episodes, not 5 episodes as "micros" and then 21 episodes after. The team and world is already set up so I expect things to really get rolling.

Given most of the production team has since left, I am unsure if a third season is happening. Given how long it takes to produce an animated series from script to screen (roughly a year), it would have had to be approved NOW in order for Season 3 to start in 2013. While it would be nice to have at least one Marvel cartoon not based on X-Men or Spider-Man to last beyond 2 seasons, but that will still add up to 52 episodes. The last Marvel show that lasted that long that I really enjoyed was "X-MEN: EVOLUTION", which needed 4 seasons from 2000-2003 on Kid's WB to hit 52 episodes. Whether across 2 seasons or 4, 52 episodes is a respectable run for a cartoon, especially a Marvel cartoon. Marvel had little luck in getting them to last past 26 episodes for quite some time. Spider-Man's technically had THREE cartoon series that debuted since 1999 that didn't last 26 episodes; the first two were DOA after 12. Not even an X-Men cartoon on NickToons survived past 26 episodes, due to corporate flip-flopping (because everyone was gearing to go and I imagine Disney said "funk that" at the last minute).

I am eager for seeing how big and bombastic these adventures get. I was vastly impressed by Chris Yost and company for Season 1 and I can't wait to see if they truly can top themselves. There is a part of me dreading the SECRET INVASION/SENSATIONAL HYDRA style plot because I have grown weary of "the team disassembles and they all hate/fight each other" plots due to overuse from Marvel lately. But, I don't expect it to last forever; while subplots linger all season long, most "arcs" in the show are done after 2-4 episodes, which leaves a lot of season left. I'm eager to see how Ms. Marvel adds to the mix and I just want to see more interactions with the cast in new adventures, as well as returning threats like Ultron and Kang. I do hope the series doesn't go nuts with cameo's, though. That undermined "JLU" at times. While they're fun for fans and can add to stories, the focus should be on a core cast. I normally would be wary of Red Hulk showing up anywhere, but given how General Ross was already introduced as Hulk's antagonist earlier in the series, having him become empowered and fight Hulk (and thus the Avengers) by itself isn't a bad plot for an episode - especially if it means more of Leader. Seriously, how cool is it that this show not only got the big guns like Loki, Ultron, Kang, and Zemo right, but even often mangled villains like Leader?

While some of the power levels may be inconsistent - and I do think Cap needs to kick more ass without just throwing his shield - I think the cast is balanced. There are various levels of power and skill but no one character is always the savior nor is one character always the load. Yeah, the Hulk had some "shocking" losses in this show for plot convenience, but I actually didn't mind that. A Hulk who is fallible and can't just steamroll everything becomes more interesting to me; it is easier to become engaged in his battles. Besides, if even Superman can take a dive sometimes, why not Hulk? I was/am especially pleased with how Hank Pym was handled. Here is a character who was often broken or insane in some modern takes but this show got to his core and eliminated a lot of the problems. They remembered that the audience needs to like Pym first and foremost.

"A:EMH" has been a better show than "YOUNG JUSTICE" to me, even without the latter having wrapped a season. I think a key difference is "A:EMH" had the time to build the world it was in from simple to complex while "YJ" threw us into the deep end with a cast of thousands and established connections we are supposed to roll with. "YJ" doesn't have the same quality of reoccurring villains and some of the characters have reoccurring catch-phrases or gimmicks that are divisive and annoying. Wasp, in comparison, doesn't need a catch-phrase to steal a scene or be sassy. "YJ" has obvious stars (Superboy/Megan), and an obvious load (Kid-Flash), and a central threat which, if I wanted to be cruel, could so far be described as MAD from "INSPECTOR GADGET", played dead straight. The animation quality is better for "YJ", but in most other areas it has fallen short to "A:EMH" to me - which is shocking given Greg Weisman's pedigree. "YJ" isn't a bad show; it just isn't as good as it could be, or as good as it's competition. Given that Cartoon Network's own DC NATION block starts in March, I'll likely see new episodes of "YJ" first.

SoNicRaDiATioN

01-18-2012, 06:04 AM

Given most of the production team has since left, I am unsure if a third season is happening

I believe the poster Decard66 said that EMH will be phased out after the second season and replaced with a new Avengers show with upgraded animation and character designs closer to the movie incarnations.

If Marvel were owned by Disney when SSM and WATXM were on, I have no doubt that they would still be on the air. They were at a disadvantage in that they couldn't do their shows in-house like DC could at Warner. The only obstacle now seems to be that they will be aired on XD instead of the main Disney channel. But Disney wants to build XD to the level of the Cartoon Network and the quickest and surest way to do this is to populate it with popular brands like Marvel. And XD is growing at a faster rate then it's competitors so they know what their doing.

I think the animation was the weak point for EMH. When you compare it to the upcoming Ultimate Spider-Man, it's night and day. So rather then upgrade it midstream, they are phasing it out. As much as it sucks now, it will probably be better in the long run as the quality will potentially be even better. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the same voice talent either.

bigdaddy313

01-18-2012, 02:15 PM

I believe the poster Decard66 said that EMH will be phased out after the second season and replaced with a new Avengers show with upgraded animation and character designs closer to the movie incarnations.

If Marvel were owned by Disney when SSM and WATXM were on, I have no doubt that they would still be on the air. They were at a disadvantage in that they couldn't do their shows in-house like DC could at Warner. The only obstacle now seems to be that they will be aired on XD instead of the main Disney channel. But Disney wants to build XD to the level of the Cartoon Network and the quickest and surest way to do this is to populate it with popular brands like Marvel. And XD is growing at a faster rate then it's competitors so they know what their doing.

I think the animation was the weak point for EMH. When you compare it to the upcoming Ultimate Spider-Man, it's night and day. So rather then upgrade it midstream, they are phasing it out. As much as it sucks now, it will probably be better in the long run as the quality will potentially be even better. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the same voice talent either.
well i don't think it would be phased out because the show was debuted on Disney XD and by the time that was done they had finished making the two seasons. so i think it would be upgraded because the cartoon was made in marvel studios and it belongs to them and Disney used that as an opportunity to show a major cartoon like the avengers. So i wont be surprised that season 3 is in the works since the show debuted with Disney's money.

marcvader

01-18-2012, 02:24 PM

While the animation for EMH is not the best I really had no real problem with it. I feel it went well as total package.

DarthAlani

01-18-2012, 06:11 PM

I really like the idea that Disney is putting serious effort into these toons.

Gamma Burst

01-18-2012, 06:17 PM

Yeah, the quality can only improve.

BigThor

01-19-2012, 12:37 AM

I agree with most of Dread's post, except for the fact that I find Wasp more annoying than any Young Justice character.

The Caped Knight

01-19-2012, 12:42 PM

Disney XD to Launch Marvel Universe April 1! The premiere of Ultimate #SpiderMan & return of #AvengersEMH!

I can't wait I'm really excited for the new season especially since the live action movie will debut in May.

The Squirrel

01-19-2012, 12:56 PM

The live action movie is in May.

Panthro

01-19-2012, 01:46 PM

I agree with most of Dread's post, except for the fact that I find Wasp more annoying than any Young Justice character.

Blasphemer!

The Caped Knight

01-19-2012, 02:14 PM

I agree with most of Dread's post, except for the fact that I find Wasp more annoying than any Young Justice character.

Your joking right? Wasp is no where as annoying as Megan in YJ.

JoeyConQueso

01-19-2012, 03:38 PM

Except for how she acted in the Captain Marvel episode, I'd probably pick her over 5/6s of the YJ team on most days.

venomfangs125

01-19-2012, 04:45 PM

While the animation for EMH is not the best I really had no real problem with it. I feel it went well as total package.

I don't care about the animation either so long as we have the show as a whole.

April 1st...Ugh. Oh well. At least they're no longer keeping us hanging. For a while there, God help me, I thought they were just dangling us with a trailer to torment us and then say 'Avengers: EMH is canceled.'

TheCorpulent1

01-19-2012, 04:47 PM

That wouldn't be cost-effective, given that I'm pretty sure they've already produced all of the second season's episodes. They'll probably burn those off starting in April and then say "Avengers: EMH is canceled" around the end of the year. ;)

marcvader

01-19-2012, 06:13 PM

I would have been ok with a third season and then it get cancelled. This is knowing they have a new series in store of course.

Panthro

01-19-2012, 06:25 PM

But I don't want a new Avengers series, I want this one to continue damn it!

TheCorpulent1

01-19-2012, 08:21 PM

Anubis

01-19-2012, 08:50 PM

F**kin' Loeb. :argh:

Panthro

01-19-2012, 09:36 PM

F**kin' Loeb. :argh:

Loeb is evil :hoboj:

GamerSlyRatchet

01-19-2012, 11:33 PM

I know I'm going to be dreading Red Hulk's appearance on this show. :csad:

It's ok, though. Cockney Rocket Raccoon will be worth it!

JoeyConQueso

01-20-2012, 05:36 AM

I wish that sales of merchandise, like the mug in my avatar, could help influence them to make more of the show but I don't think the stuff's even in regular stores. It's still bizarre that they didn't make any figures.

Panthro

01-20-2012, 11:28 AM

Chewy

01-21-2012, 12:56 PM

I should note that I'm not sure it'll be canceled after season 2. I don't actually have any proof or evidence of that. It just feels to me like it's on its last legs, given the changes in leadership for Marvel's animation department and the departure of key members of the creative staff.
Dekard posted about it getting cancelled in the Avengers movie thread. And about the next Avengers cartoon, which will tie in with the new Spidey and Hulk shows for the Marvel block on Disney XD.

lixdexia

01-21-2012, 12:58 PM

Well ****... That sucks

venomfangs125

01-21-2012, 01:39 PM

Well ****... That sucks

Yeah...But still when you look at the bigger picture, we're still recieving another 26-TWENTY SIX more episodes.

Just so long as they're good and the season finale isn't a cliffhanger, this show could end well...Maybe. :csad:

Zant

01-21-2012, 02:21 PM

Is there a superhero show that did not end in a cliffhanger? Oh well as long as the cliffhanger is not like Wolverine and the x men and more like X men Evo ending I will be happy

TheVileOne

01-21-2012, 04:43 PM

Who cares at least we are getting 52 episodes.

It takes an act of congress just for a new episode of YJ to be shown.

TheVileOne

01-21-2012, 04:45 PM

Is there a superhero show that did not end in a cliffhanger? Oh well as long as the cliffhanger is not like Wolverine and the x men and more like X men Evo ending I will be happy
X-Men Evolution and X-Men in the 1990's had pretty definitive "endings" though X-Men Evolution had that sort of "vision of things to come."

JL/JLU was pretty much wrapped up.

I was pretty satisfied with STAS's ending as well. Even though story threads were continued in JL/JLU, I felt like STAS was a solid ending for what they did with the show.

gkokujin

01-21-2012, 06:30 PM

as much as i loved what we've seen so far, my interest is fading.

JoeyConQueso

01-21-2012, 06:34 PM

Glad I can't say the same :)

Spider-Vader

01-21-2012, 07:17 PM

It sucks that this awesome show is probably getting canceled. Hopefully, the new show is just as good or even better. :(

marcvader

01-21-2012, 07:27 PM

Even though it's been a while since i've seen any episodes and or even thought about the show much I'm right there as soon it starts up again.

TheVileOne

01-22-2012, 03:45 PM

Once the show is back on all the complaints will cease.

venomfangs125

01-22-2012, 09:11 PM

Maybe. But April 1st is STILL a long ways off.

JoeyConQueso

01-22-2012, 10:12 PM

Just flicked the tv over to Teen Titans and spotted Bumblebee and Speedy using the classic Hawkeye/Ant Man move. It feels kind of funny that I never saw that before.

TheVileOne

01-22-2012, 11:20 PM

There is also a DC comics Bumblebee :) . Who knew?

Grommers

01-23-2012, 10:22 AM

Venom Melendez

01-23-2012, 03:20 PM

Panthro

01-23-2012, 04:05 PM

Anyone else notice that Wasp has Wolverine hair? :cwink:

JoeyConQueso

01-23-2012, 04:11 PM

She wears it better.

GamerSlyRatchet

01-23-2012, 04:26 PM

So I finally got around to watching this show.

It started off amazing, the introduction to the characters wow, what a ride. All really fleshed out there personalities well defined. I was really into this show.

It ended up feeling like the same damn episode later on, every episode. Villain would try destroying the world, the avengers would stop them. Where did the writing go from the first couple of episodes!?

I'm hoping somebody can explain it to me, because I was thirsting for more after the first couple, and as the season progressed I found it was more of a nuisance to watch.

I'm hoping season 2 comes up with better writing.

I kinda understand how you're feeling. The problem when writing two or three-parters where the world is ALWAYS at risk is that when it gets overdone, it's not nearly as exciting and the stake don't feel as raised. Some arcs were fantastic ("Gamma World", "Ultron") while others do drag on and get boring by the end ("Kang", most of "Asgard")

You can still make some entertaining Avengers stories, like the AIM/Hydra sub-plot or the trip to Wakanda, where the world isn't always at risk, yet still make better use of the Avengers.

TheCorpulent1

01-23-2012, 04:38 PM

I know I'm going to be dreading Red Hulk's appearance on this show. :csad:

It's ok, though. Cockney Rocket Raccoon will be worth it!
If Loeb's learned from Jeff Parker about how to write a good Red Hulk, I wouldn't mind. Rulk's actually kind of interesting these daysl. Shocking, I know.

BigThor

01-24-2012, 12:08 AM

Anyone else notice that Wasp has Wolverine hair? :cwink:

Ah, my least favorite character.

TheCorpulent1

01-24-2012, 09:58 PM

Wasp is awesome on this show. It makes me wish she were alive in the comics again.

Panthro

01-24-2012, 11:04 PM

Wasp is awesome on this show. It makes me wish she were alive in the comics again.
Quesada would have to be ousted from Marvel before that could happen.

IronGirl299

01-26-2012, 04:21 AM

Agreed. Though I think there's the tiniest difference in her personality. I also like how they showed Hank as a good hero and not just a...you know. :s
The second season is coming out on April 1st right? I use this show to get through the large span of time in between Captain America and The Avengers...
People laugh at me, but I unibeam the smirks off their faces.

GamerSlyRatchet

01-26-2012, 01:20 PM

Honestly, I'm so conflicted about Wasp. She's not as strongly developed (not THAT way!) as some of the other characters (except maybe Black Panther), and sometimes is rather one-note. Yet something about her clever snark, her voice, her character design (and I'm one of the few that LIKES her design and costume) that makes her very likeable to me. She plays off well with most of the members, and hopefully her friend joining the team next season gives her a bit more depth.

JoeyConQueso

01-26-2012, 04:54 PM

I had come around on Wasp's animated look as well. At first, it just seemed strange to me (It wasn't a comic original and the skirt and hairdo took away from what could have been a streamlined design) but as time has gone, and after seeing a million awesome and not so awesome fan art takes, it's become one of my favorite designs from the show. Even with the millions of costume designs Jan has had, very few of them have actually been memorable but this one has stuck with me. I just wish that they would do more episodic tweaks here and there like they did during This Hostage Earth with the arctic version but it doesn't seem as though the whole fashion designer thing has been at play in this series.

IronGirl299

01-27-2012, 04:13 AM

yeah, isn't she a fashion designer? I like her outfit here, especially the antennae comm, but her hair...hmmm.
They did get her comic outfit accurate on The Superhero Squad Show, and that one I think is better in regards to function.
She also wears an off-shoulder civilian blouse which I really like...I would want one! And the Capt. America Avengers blazer! :D

Panthro

01-27-2012, 11:31 AM

It appears Wasp's not getting a costume change in season 2 - which is funny given how often she changed costumes in the book.

slim_summers

01-28-2012, 12:07 PM

JoeyConQueso

01-28-2012, 05:02 PM

It's kind of funny how the Avengers book I look forward to the most is the animated tie-in. I really hope that the book's finalized art will turn out to be top notch, something to compete with what we'd see in a good 616 book. I also hope that Yost will get to write big adventure stories in this. I know that might be tough since they'd want to avoid anything contradictory to the tv show but they should limit the scope of the book. As much as I liked the mini-series, I don't think that supplementary material feel would work for an ongoing.

IronGirl299

01-28-2012, 06:42 PM

:applaud

:pal:

I saw the comic in the bookstore, the art was... Hm.

Dread

02-12-2012, 12:21 AM

Supervising Producer Josh Fine spoke with Toonzone's Marvel Animation Age about his work on the show, and there was considerable focus on the 2nd Season, which is set to debut in April:

http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=756

Fine talks a bit about the change in creative team midway through Season 2. Basically, after the first 13 episodes of Season 2, Chris Yost was being stretched thin because the powers-that-be wanted him to start writing for their film division. That had happened with Craig Kyle a couple of years sooner, which likely helped nix the second season of "WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN" since that show was his baby in many ways. The fact that Yost started writing more comic work for Marvel as well likely didn't make things easy on his schedule either. Secondly, that is about when Jeph Loeb - who at best has become a divisive figure in comics due to his recent output - became Marvel's TV czar. The powers-that-be started to grow concerned that Season 2 was becoming too serial and too focused on characters who weren't "the big four" (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk). So for the second half of Season 2, while Fine remained a producer and Yost remained the story editor, it was written by the "Man Of Action" team which is also handling "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" for Disney XD as well as who handles "GENERATOR REX" and all the incarnations of "BEN 10".

The battle against serialized American cartoon shows has been waged since they began. Serialization makes reruns more complicated, as all the suits ever see a show as existing to produce are ratings cash and toy dollars. It was a battle Bruce Timm had with CN with "JL/U" at times, a battle John Semper had with FoxKids for his "SPIDER-MAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES" show in the 90's, and so on. The dilemma is that while you don't want endless episodes sacrificed for a main plot - the flaw of many TV anime series as well as some Joss Whedon seasons - you don't want episodes to become too interchangeable either. "BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES" is perhaps the best example of an excellent show which relied almost exclusively on "episodic" episodes, with very few of them directly taking place after others or being direct sequels to others. However, it is no longer 1992-1998 anymore, and audience expectations have changed. Kids digest the super complicated serialized stories of "NARUTO" or "ONE PIECE" with such ease that executives who fight against that, frankly, look even more like scared, out of touch old men who need toddlers to show them how to program a VHS machine.

The fact that Yost and Fine were still involved in the direction of the final 13 episodes is good news, although Loeb being at the helm of anything is a concern. The BEST thing people are saying about AVENGERS: X-SANCTION is, "well, it isn't horrendous". That is literally where the man's career is at. And often when a show is given editorial orders from executives on high, quality often struggles to survive. I haven't seen one person who claimed "BEN 10" was anything above "alright" for the longest time. That is perhaps because exceptional shows are often choked by networks, and terrible shows usually canned, so the only shows that last often attain a level of perpetual mediocrity which sustain them. It would truly be a shame to see this show - perhaps the best from Marvel Animation in a good, long while - become one of those choked shows.

At the very least, 2012 will be very interesting.

Frank D. Paur, who wrote/directed for the show, had this to say on the Toonzone forums over some fears by fans for the end of Season 2, especially about focus on "the big four":

I wouldn't be too concerned about any characters being "reduced to background props", it just didn't happen. All the characters you've grown to love all have plenty of screen time, and although a few stories may have been altered, I doubt anyone unfamiliar with the them would notice much difference. I wish I could tell you more, but I wouldn't want to spoil all the fun you'll have finding out on your own.

Figured it was worth spreading this for equal time.

IronGirl299

02-12-2012, 01:40 AM

AND WASP SHOULD GET A NEW OUTFIT!!!
Because doesn't she change it A LOT in the comics?

Dread

02-12-2012, 01:45 AM

AND WASP SHOULD GET A NEW OUTFIT!!!
Because doesn't she change it A LOT in the comics?

It is ironic that most of the characters are getting new costumes except for the Avenger most well known for changing her costume frequently.

Character models are expensive to keep changing, but, yeah, a new outfit for Season 2 wouldn't have been a bad idea. Maybe altering the colors to give the illusion of her changing it? I remember when the 2k3 "TMNT" cartoon did that with April O'Neil to give the impression she changed her clothes when all they did was change her t-shirt color a few times. ;)

IronGirl299

02-12-2012, 02:03 AM

Dread

02-12-2012, 02:22 AM

Jan has a Cold Climate costume (the one with longer boots and fur ruff) and often-shown civilian attire (the banana-yellow off-shoulder top with jeans.) She has a bikini, also in yellow. But that's about it. She needs a new supercostume.

Agreed. I admit I was a little surprised when they announced costume changes for Cap, Thor, Iron Man and even Hulk but nada for Jan. But, who knows.

In fairness, her personality often makes up for her lack of having many costumes. If they didn't want to go nuts on character models, they could have a scene in a closet or something where you see like rows of other costumes she rejected or so on.

DawnWarrior

02-12-2012, 04:51 AM

Yeah I agree; Jan above all needs a new costume at least every season.

Guhndoi

02-13-2012, 01:46 AM

Agreed. I admit I was a little surprised when they announced costume changes for Cap, Thor, Iron Man and even Hulk but nada for Jan. But, who knows.

In fairness, her personality often makes up for her lack of having many costumes. If they didn't want to go nuts on character models, they could have a scene in a closet or something where you see like rows of other costumes she rejected or so on.

Really? How drastic a costume change I wonder.

Dread

02-13-2012, 02:19 AM

Yeah I agree; Jan above all needs a new costume at least every season.

As I said, an inexpensive way would be to keep her costume but alter the colors.

Really? How drastic a costume change I wonder.

Not very; the Avengers basically give him purple stretchy pants so he doesn't have to wear the same torn pants all the time. I imagine it is close to the red "space pants" he got for the Kang arc.

BigThor

02-13-2012, 02:46 AM

I like the fact that season four is going to focus more on the "big four", otherwise whats the point of them being the "big four"?

JoeyConQueso

02-13-2012, 10:30 AM

I wish it was the big three instead.

TheVileOne

02-13-2012, 11:28 AM

None of what was written really sounds like a bad idea to me.

Also, Man of Action do write serial storylines pretty well for Gen Rex and Ben 10.

marcvader

02-13-2012, 11:32 AM

So there's a season 4 in the works already? Is season 3 done?

lixdexia

02-13-2012, 04:59 PM

I wish it was the big three instead.
it is, marvel just refuses to accept that. they'll make their hulk tv show, it'll flop, and they'll still pretend that he's their most popular character behind spidey:csad:

Chewy

02-13-2012, 05:04 PM

It should be the big four, but Ms Marvel should be the fourth

You know it, I know it, Marvel knows it, everyone knows it. It's just that no one's saying it

lixdexia

02-13-2012, 05:09 PM

pft, ms. marvel barely makes my top 10 favorite avengers :oldrazz:

Chewy

02-13-2012, 05:15 PM

you barely make my top 10 favorite posters :argh:

TheCorpulent1

02-13-2012, 09:47 PM

Hahahahaha, Ms. Marvel as the fourth of the Big Four. That's hilarious. :D

Anubis

02-13-2012, 09:49 PM

One drunk per grouping.

TheCorpulent1

02-13-2012, 09:54 PM

Burn.

Panthro

02-13-2012, 10:31 PM

The Ms. Marvel hate seems uncalled for.

it is, marvel just refuses to accept that. they'll make their hulk tv show, it'll flop, and they'll still pretend that he's their most popular character behind spidey:csad:
The Hulk does seem to be struggling for a comeback in the public eye. Like Superman he's turned into a once beloved celebrity who's fallen on hard times and can't get general audiences to think of him as being "cool" again.

Wasn't Thor supposed to get his own solo cartoon series at some point?

Gamma Burst

02-13-2012, 10:43 PM

it is, marvel just refuses to accept that. they'll make their hulk tv show, it'll flop, and they'll still pretend that he's their most popular character behind spidey:csad:

Unfortunately, there's some truth to this.

Anubis

02-13-2012, 11:09 PM

The Ms. Marvel hate seems uncalled for.

Corpy hates her, I'm indifferent.

It's not that the Hulks not popular. I mean, people know who he is, he just doesn't seem to be very profitable.

Panthro

02-13-2012, 11:44 PM

Corpy hates her, I'm indifferent.

It's not that the Hulks not popular. I mean, people know who he is, he just doesn't seem to be very profitable.
Just like Superman.

Anubis

02-14-2012, 12:24 AM

Well, I don't know about that. Supes' last movie might not have made a ton of money, but he still sells billions in T-Shirts, underpants, and condoms. :o

Chewy

02-14-2012, 01:48 AM

Hahahahaha, Ms. Marvel as the fourth of the Big Four. That's hilarious. :D
Hater :o

BigThor

02-14-2012, 02:17 AM

I wish it was the big three instead.

Marvel just insists on making Hulk a core Avengers member for some reason, even in the Avengers movie.

it is, marvel just refuses to accept that. they'll make their hulk tv show, it'll flop, and they'll still pretend that he's their most popular character behind spidey:csad:

Very true, his is probably the best post I've read all week.

It's not that the Hulks not popular. I mean, people know who he is, he just doesn't seem to be very profitable.

Which is very weird in my opinion, it just doesn't make any sense.

lixdexia

02-14-2012, 04:00 AM

The Ms. Marvel hate seems uncalled for. it's not that people hate ms. marvel per say, it's that bendis loves her, which means she's basically a leper right now.

The Hulk does seem to be struggling for a comeback in the public eye. Like Superman he's turned into a once beloved celebrity who's fallen on hard times and can't get general audiences to think of him as being "cool" again.

Wasn't Thor supposed to get his own solo cartoon series at some point?no, people still love superman he just had a show that was on for 10 seasons despite being about as dumb as a box of rocks and only every actually featuring superman for about 2 min. if that isn't proof that people love superman, that the mere promise of his appearance can keep a show that bad on the air for 10 years, then i don't know what is. his shield is also the 3rd most recognized image in the entire world. think about that, not america, not comic fans, not logos only... 3rd most recognized image in the entire world. people love superman...except for that period of time in which they are between the ages of 13 and 22 and forget why he's cool and only associate him with douchebags in t-shirts and bad writing.

yes, there was supposed to be a thor cartoon, but that got rolled up into the avengers series.

IronGirl299

02-14-2012, 06:06 AM

yes, there was supposed to be a thor cartoon, but that got rolled up into the avengers series.

that series is possibly one of the best things that happened to Disney

Anubis

02-14-2012, 11:12 AM

I don't believe they believe that, otherwise they'd quit dickin' around with the schedule. :argh:

Chewy

02-14-2012, 11:27 AM

Well it's basically cancelled anyway. They've got 13 great episodes featuring the full team, adding Vision and Ms Marvel ( :argh: Corp); then 13 episodes of Loeb-y garbage; then it's over :csad:

TheCorpulent1

02-14-2012, 05:21 PM

it's not that people hate ms. marvel per say, it's that bendis loves her, which means she's basically a leper right now.
Nothing to do with Bendis for me. I didn't like her back when Busiek was doing her drunken fall from grace. Bendis just exacerbated the problem by using House of M to place her at the top of the Marvel universe's list of heroines, even though she's a worthless drunk. And not even a fun drunk like Tony Stark.

steintym

02-14-2012, 08:59 PM

I never knew there was so much hate for Ms. Marvel. I don't particularly care for her one way or the other, just didn't realize the hate.

(I also missed that whole drunken period, though)

lixdexia

02-14-2012, 09:39 PM

I never knew there was so much hate for Ms. Marvel. I don't particularly care for her one way or the other, just didn't realize the hate.

(I also missed that whole drunken period, though)
it's pretty easy to find, it starts around her first appearance and continues in some form till always. fun fact: ex-alcoholics are way more irritating than alcoholics.

Panthro

02-14-2012, 11:25 PM

Nothing to do with Bendis for me. I didn't like her back when Busiek was doing her drunken fall from grace. Bendis just exacerbated the problem by using House of M to place her at the top of the Marvel universe's list of heroines, even though she's a worthless drunk. And not even a fun drunk like Tony Stark.

I can only imagine how you would react to Thor's on again/off again gal pal Sif becoming a worthless drunk.

Anubis

02-14-2012, 11:27 PM

She's an Asgardian.

They're trained from birth to hold their liquor. :o

IronGirl299

02-15-2012, 04:36 AM

^ Thou speaketh truly.

Didn't Tony try to talk her out of alchoholicism? Had he kicked it by then or not? Cause if he hadn't that would have just made him a hypocrite. But he quit in the end.
Until that bottle of wine at the end of Fear Itself...hoo-boy.

BigThor

02-15-2012, 05:09 AM

She's an Asgardian.

They're trained from birth to hold their liquor. :o

True :word:

TheCorpulent1

02-15-2012, 04:54 PM

I can only imagine how you would react to Thor's on again/off again gal pal Sif becoming a worthless drunk.
Well... she wouldn't. :huh:

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that Ms. Marvel beat her addiction and got her life back together. That's actually one of the things I like about her. But since House of M, she seems to take it for granted that she's at the top of the totem pole, regardless of the fact that everyone again remembers how low she'd fallen just a short while before. Her air of entitlement irritates me.

Anubis

02-15-2012, 05:34 PM

Corpy fears her almight vagina.

Spider-Vader

02-15-2012, 08:55 PM

it is, marvel just refuses to accept that. they'll make their hulk tv show, it'll flop, and they'll still pretend that he's their most popular character behind spidey:csad:
What'd you say, bub? *snikt* :wolverine

Marvel just insists on making Hulk a core Avengers member for some reason, even in the Avengers movie.

Which is funny because he's STILL not a member of the team in the main comics.

TheCorpulent1

02-16-2012, 04:40 PM

He will be with the debut of Avengers Assemble in another couple months. Although they seem to have decided the Red Hulk fills the Avengers' Hulk needs better than the green Hulk.

Panthro

02-19-2012, 11:44 AM

Robotech, the Avengers, Monty Python & The Holy Grail -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtPnjg4zjvI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtPnjg4zjvI

Spider-Vader

02-19-2012, 07:26 PM

He will be with the debut of Avengers Assemble in another couple months. Although they seem to have decided the Red Hulk fills the Avengers' Hulk needs better than the green Hulk.

Is Assemble canon? I thought it was a non-canon/alternate universe movie.

TheCorpulent1

02-19-2012, 11:39 PM

Nope. Movie cast but in continuity.

Dread

02-20-2012, 12:54 AM

I have always been partisan about Ms. Marvel. I have to admit my first exposure to the character was in the second season of the 90's "X-MEN" cartoon when they explained Rogue permanently absorbing her powers and leaving Danvers comatose. As a kid that episode actually bored me a little, but re-watching it as an adult, it has a lot of tragedy to it. I caught a bit of her here and there, and Marvel has pushed her heavily across their line since 2005, when HOUSE OF M wrapped. Given that she has their company name in her codename, it makes sense. She usually comes off a bit generic to me, but I suppose many iconic heroes do. She's long since outlasted Mar-Vell in recognition and longevity, but I doubt Marvel would call her Captain Marvel outright, because most of their heroines have to have "lady names".

I am curious and excited for how the show will handle her. Jennifer Hale naturally voiced her well; if you count her role as Julia Carpenter/Spider-Woman from the 90's "IRON MAN" cartoon, this is the second Avenger she'll be voicing in her career (even if the West Coast Avengers were called Force Works in that cartoon, as they were in the comics at the time). It will be good to have another heroine on the cast roster besides Wasp to mix things up; true, Black Widow appeared many times, but has never really been considered a member in the show considering her role as a double-agent. I imagine Danvers' militaristic style might clash with some characters but gel with others; given Cap's "status" going into Season 2, I imagine she may fill his slot as "superhero soldier" on the team until it is sorted out.

I like the fact that season four is going to focus more on the "big four", otherwise whats the point of them being the "big four"?

The hope is that this doesn't cause other characters to hit the back seat altogether. Big characters can run the risk of hogging the show.

I do find the idea that the show had to deliberately focus on the "big four" all of a sudden for the last half of Season 2 interesting. If you think about it, Season 1 had plenty of focus on the "big four". The Hulk got his own "GAMMA WORLD" plot. Thor's subplot weaved across the entire season. Capt. America's recruitment and development was a big deal. I'd argue Iron Man probably got the least focus of the big four, but that isn't saying much considering he was technically the leader of the team and would often share focus with others - such as Thor or Cap (the Kang arc). I actually found Season 1 balanced in that all of the characters got their moments and focus, but very rarely did I feel any character was being a hog. The one exception was Hawkeye - he was often depicted as a better super-soldier than Capt. America was by far, and rarely struggled in battle sequences. However, Hawkeye is the sort of character who by nature tends to do that, so it's acceptable. After all, Hawkeye was doing the obnoxious rebel glory hound thing before Wolverine was even a concept.

Every team has their big three or four, and that's fine. However, think of this. Has there EVER been a Justice League cartoon that wasn't completely dominated by Superman and/or Batman, in terms of subplot, villains, and focus? No. The TV show spread around some love and had no end of guest stars, but it also made it steadily apparent that Superman and Batman were the be-all of the team. Even DTV's to this day that may or may not feature the League focus around them - Batman in particular. Often the end moral is, "the Justice League without Batman is useless", which is ironic given that he wasn't even on the founding roster, technically.

Wolverine's sheer domination of most of the X-Men animation out there, aside for "X-MEN EVOLUTION" (which was mostly dominated by Cyclops and Rogue) is well documented - to the point where he was once titled before the X-Men on a show.

The big characters are the big characters for a reason. But after a while, even die-hard fans can get tired of them. Especially if it seems the shows cater to them at the expense of others. Part of the advantage of the big characters is that if a show doesn't focus on them enough, it doesn't effect their prestige any, because they're the big characters. It's those secondary or tertiary characters which can live or die based on how a cartoon handles them. As "X-MEN EVOLUTION" proved, Logan can take a back seat from focus for a majority of the series and still maintain his status as popular bad-ass. Colossus, meanwhile, is at a point where fans have such a poor idea of who he is or why he exists that he's been killed off and essentially replaced by Juggernaut in the last dozen years. If Iceman were a major factor in some cartoon show since "SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS", I sincerely doubt he'd still be the most neglected and useless of the founding squad in the comics, because fans would be jazzed. A tongue-in-cheek show like "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" doesn't effect Batman's status as a grim bad ass; but paint the Flash (Wally West in particular) as an incompetent comic relief in enough places, and it sticks.

After all, Aquaman's STILL never shaken the perception "SUPERFRIENDS" gave him as a useless fish hero - which is unfair since that was a cheesy show which rarely painted ANY hero in a terrific light. Yet out of the lot of them, only Aquaman seemed the most tainted, because he wasn't a big character. Batman is a big enough character to endure being neglected or mishandled in a cartoon; Aquaman isn't. And you could say the same of some of the Avengers characters.

All that said, Season 1 managed to focus on "the big four" a lot and still weave in everyone else and make it all flow properly. If Season 2 is able to continue that despite the best efforts of Jeph "I Killed HEROES" Loeb, then more power to it.

None of what was written really sounds like a bad idea to me.

Also, Man of Action do write serial storylines pretty well for Gen Rex and Ben 10.

I wouldn't know, I don't watch either. I do know MAN OF ACTION have to be good at what they do, to have endured on TV for so long. BEN 10 has outlasted many other shows on TV, including superhero shows, after all.

"A:EMH" pleasantly surprised me in virtually every way, and I found little major faults in Season 1 (beyond the lack of WB's animation budget). I do feel it had a better debut season than "JUSTICE LEAGUE" did, easily. Speculation and all, I still have more faith in "A:EMH" Season 2 than I have in "YOUNG JUSTICE" Season 2.

BigThor

02-20-2012, 04:02 AM

I'm not saying the other characters should take a "backseat", I think the amount of focus the "big four" and the rest of the team members got in the first season was a pretty good balance.

Scarecrow_King

02-20-2012, 12:21 PM

I would rather see focus on the smaller characters. It may not be profitable for Marvel to showcase the smaller heroes in their cartoons, because most people tune in to watch characters that they already know and love. But the big four have all had their own movies, and are about to be featured heavily in an actual Avengers movie.

I think that the show should be used to branch out and get a feel for how the audience would react to some of the lesser known characters. Keep the big four in there, definitely. You need something to draw in an audience. But having a tv series starring the same characters as multiple movie franchises seems redundant, and quite frankly, a waste of opportunity.

BigThor

02-20-2012, 12:49 PM

Well Cap, Thor, and Iron Man are the core of the Avengers so naturally they're going to be the most prominent characters in a show about the Avengers.

Just like Superman, Batman, Flash, WW, and GL are naturally going to be the focus of any Justice League show.

GamerSlyRatchet

02-20-2012, 03:13 PM

Well Cap, Thor, and Iron Man are the core of the Avengers so naturally they're going to be the most prominent characters in a show about the Avengers.

What determines that these members the core? The movies? Because if it is about the starting line-up, Cap needs to the taken out and Hulk, Wasp, and Ant-Man would need to be added in.

The fact that they had to specifically mention that the "Big Four" would get more focus on the last 13 episodes is a legitimate source of concern. Even if the first season of EMH leave a couple of characters with the short end of characterization and development (Wasp and Black Panther), it still tried to spotlight as many members of the team as possible.

It would be a shame to miss out on opportunities to flesh out more the characters and relationships of the less-developed characters just so Marvel can blatantly promote its movies. I want to be proven wrong, but we'll see.

BigThor

02-20-2012, 03:58 PM

What determines that these members the core? The movies? Because if it is about the starting line-up, Cap needs to the taken out and Hulk, Wasp, and Ant-Man would need to be added in.

Ummmm in the comics

This "big four" stuff is completely new but the "big three" (Cap, Iron Man,Thor) have always been the most prominent Avengers members in the comics.

It doesn't have anything to with being the "starting line-up", it's more along the lines of those three being the "heart and soul" of The Avengers for the last 48 years.

MarvelKnight

02-21-2012, 04:41 PM

I also thought EMH had good balance. First off you had plenty of introduction with the mini-episode series that went on. You had an overall story arc featuring Loki taking over asgard and I thought everything tied together pretty nicely.

You had pym's issues with Ultron. Also the first part of the danvers/mar-vell episode was all wasp and ant-man at first. Panther liberating his country from Man-Ape. Hulk fought the Leader. Then as far as lesser members go, you had the hawkeye/black widow storyline that was there. The avengers fought both hydra and aim. Thor had a lot of action with the dark elves ressurection, and the last handful of episodes all being centered on asgard. You had captain america featured enough with zemo/doughboy and kang coming back to destroy him. You also had an interesting exchange with Hela and Capt. America which I would love for them to come back to at some point in the second season..

I think the animation style leaves a bit to be desired, but the writing and overall storytelling was very crisp in my opinion. All the major players got their time. And honestly, I think Iron Man had the least amount of focus in season 1. He had more of a spat with shield trying to stop him around ultron initiative episode and the hydra/aim war for the cube than anything else. imo

For season 2, I am hopefully that they actually show the origins of the red hulk (for viewers purposes) and not just have him show up out of no where. I have no problem if the avengers don't know who he really is. I think Ms. Marvel being featured is obvious and fine considering what happened in season one.

April First can't come soon enough

steintym

02-21-2012, 08:00 PM

marcvader

02-21-2012, 09:34 PM

If I could find anything to complain about the show it would be th lack of showcasing of Cap's fighting and acrobatic prowess as well as too much Stark in the lead.

BigThor

02-22-2012, 12:53 AM

I also thought the first season really had a nice balance to it. I don't think any one character (or characters) had anymore of the spotlight than the others. It was a decent mix and every character had their moment to shine. They really got a lot right and I hope they don't change things up too much.

I agree :up:

If I could find anything to complain about the show it would be th lack of showcasing of Cap's fighting and acrobatic prowess as well as too much Stark in the lead.

I know where you're coming, I didn't really like them not showing Thor's fighting skills in favor him flying at his enemies with Mjolnir raised only to keep getting blasted out of the air.

I think they got Thor and Cap's power levels right for the most part, but they rarely showed them using their highly advanced fighting skills.

TheCorpulent1

02-22-2012, 01:04 AM

Cap, Thor, and Iron Man are the big three because they fill certain key roles on the team. Cap is the Avengers' quintessential leader, Thor is the Avengers' quintessential powerhouse, and Iron Man is the Avengers' quintessential big brain. Yes, there's also Hercules and Hank Pym and the Wasp and various others who've filled those roles from time to time, but those three are the ones to which the others are compared.

BigThor

02-22-2012, 01:10 AM

lixdexia

02-22-2012, 03:11 AM

If I could find anything to complain about the show it would be th lack of showcasing of Cap's fighting and acrobatic prowess as well as too much Stark in the lead.
that's my only real problem with the show. cap shows up episode 9, and you're telling me that 17 episodes later no one has recognized that cap should be the leader? shenanigans.

it really doesn't even make sense to keep cap on the team long term if he's not the leader, or if they're not going to rotate the lead, and even then he should be the guy the current leader turns to for advice most of the time.

IronGirl299

02-22-2012, 04:35 AM

Well obviously Cap's the leader, though he defers to Tony as such at one point, but he has a more inspirational effect than Iron Man. stark is merely the focus here because he's a darn awesome character who is more or less usually responsible for the stuff that happens to them, but that doesn't mean that Hank and Jan don't get their fair share of the spotlight and then some.

Iron_Stark

02-22-2012, 10:03 AM

LOL at people still complaining that Iron Man is the leader and Cap isn't. Boo Hoo

BigThor

02-22-2012, 10:04 AM

Yeah by the later episodes it's pretty much implied that Cap is now the leader, but I can see what you all coming from because he shouldn't have played second fiddle for as long as he did.

MarvelKnight

02-22-2012, 11:28 AM

I have no problem with how they've portrayed either. Obviously, Cap always will be the leader of the Avengers to most people, whether its a fresh take on the Avengers or not, but I like that it sort of took a while for it to get to it. Cap was obviously dealing with the whole "man out of time" issue when he first came into the show, but by the time the kang came to conquer the earth, he clearly took over as leader and tactician. He's the only one who knows what needs to be done in a war and he got them organized and motivated (the hulk to smash more scarab robots and iron man to find kang once and for all).

I hope they kind of show that in the second season. Have it sort of obvious that Cap is the leader in the field, but stark being stark, doesn't want to feel inadequate. I think having that dynamic, albeit subtly, will be fun to watch in the second season

MarvelKnight

02-22-2012, 11:29 AM

Plus Iron Man will get his chance to lead when they figure out Cap is missing and there is a Skrull in his place in the first part of season 2

Iron_Stark

02-22-2012, 01:13 PM

Yeah by the later episodes it's pretty much implied that Cap is now the leader, but I can see what you all coming from because he shouldn't have played second fiddle for as long as he did.

It should be like the Superman/Batman relationship where no one plays second fiddle to each other.

Because like Batman, Tony isn't going to be taking orders from anyone.

BigThor

02-22-2012, 02:05 PM

It should be like the Superman/Batman relationship where no one plays second fiddle to each other.

Because like Batman, Tony isn't going to be taking orders from anyone.

He didn't mind taking orders in the comics, it's the new RDJ type personality that greatly enhances that aspect of Tony.

Panthro

02-22-2012, 03:02 PM

It should be like the Superman/Batman relationship where no one plays second fiddle to each other.

Because like Batman, Tony isn't going to be taking orders from anyone.

Except everyone plays 2nd fiddle to Batman when Batman's around.

Zant

02-22-2012, 03:10 PM

I remember when people were saying Cap will lead the team by the end of season 1 lol.
This is not the comics Iron Man is the leader of this team and will remain so for the rest of the show.Iron man as leader has not affected the quality of the show

TheCorpulent1

02-22-2012, 05:58 PM

It should be like the Superman/Batman relationship where no one plays second fiddle to each other.

Because like Batman, Tony isn't going to be taking orders from anyone.
Which is why Tony leaves the Avengers numerous times and is responsible for a few schisms in the team. He's the only one who doesn't acknowledge and appreciate that Cap is way, way better as a leader than he is. Even Thor agrees to be led by some pissant mortal because this pissant mortal in particular is pretty much the greatest leader ever.

Oh, except for Hawkeye. But there's a strong undercurrent of respect to his and Cap's overtly contentious relationship, so it's different from Cap and Tony.

Chewy

02-22-2012, 06:09 PM

Pfft, everyone knows Luke Cage is the greatest leader the Avengers have ever had

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/6.21.10BrianMichaelBendisByLuigiNovi1.jpg/228px-6.21.10BrianMichaelBendisByLuigiNovi1.jpg

lixdexia

02-22-2012, 07:49 PM

TheCorpulent1

02-22-2012, 07:51 PM

The writers obviously do too, since they've been slipping in little comments and scenes about Iron Man's lack of leadership ability, with Cap respectfully pointing out his errors now and then.

TheVileOne

02-22-2012, 09:36 PM

Not like Iron Man wasn't the original founder and leader of the Avengers or anything like that.

Anubis

02-22-2012, 09:42 PM

He sucked at it then too. :o