The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Sharkboy]

This almost the exact opposite of Ra's Al Ghul's character.

He had idealism. Gotham was in the way of the ideal state it needed to be.

It could be a prime race horse but instead it was a decadent farce with a broken leg. He wished to destroy it...not to watch it burn, not to prove people are monsters but because in order to fix it he needed to wash the slate clean.

This is no different than the story of the great Flood and Noah's ark. Ra's al Ghul creates a flood wipes Gotham clean and starts anew.


Ra's shares nothing in common with the Joker.

You're mistaking a willingness to let die a philosophical principle and its not.

Lets say you believe in the death penalty and not assisted suicide and I believe in assisted suicide and not the death penalty

Because we both believe in something that leads to death do we believe the same thing? Of course not.

Joker wanted Gotham to tear itself apart just to prove about about human nature but he also gave them a choice. Ra's gave them no choice, he wasn't listening to the idea of better people in Gotham. No one could resist the fear toxin.

So your difference between Joker and Ra's is stark.

Joker was trying to make a point about society and Ra's was trying to REMAKE society through cleansing.

I didn't make a comparison i just agreed to the comparison of one, and maybe idealism was the wrong word to use. I think the word i wanted to use was cynicism. I could almost imagine Ra's being the man Bruce was, so devoted to his ideas, but through his own adventures and trials, basically after years of seeing the **** that he has and probably losing the friends and loved ones along the way, he's gone down the path where he see's things in absolutes, that he's fine with mass murder on a citywide scale in order for peace. You obviously know this, i think that speculation you made that Bruce (with grey tips) realises that ra's traveled a similar path, lines up nicely with that thought.

Any comparison to Joker was merely in contrast to bane, for people (and there are plenty) who expect him to be joker with muscles, which is something i do not see. I also don't see him as being a carbon copy of ra's

that was my point :yay:

[rogue_agent]

Foley was a crazy one! Even Huntress didn't how to deal with him. Only the joker knew how to spank him like he deserved!

Haha! Yeah. Foley was crazy. I liked his character so much. Provided more tension within the GCPD group.

[Nave 'Torment']

I'm a little behind on this but why is everyone so damn sure that Tate is Talia and King is her youthful flashback counterpart?

[kvz5]

I think the resemblance? And apparently she was in India too although that was never proven except for the words of the India FB guys. It would be funny though if she ends up being young Selina. :funny:

[Godzilla2000]

Breaking news...Richard O Brian (host of crystal maze) may play Bane's sidekick the knife-thrower Zombie...source is a dream I had last night.

Does he like turtles?

[Sharkboy]

I'm a little behind on this but why is everyone so damn sure that Tate is Talia and King is her youthful flashback counterpart?

Same reason we are so "sure" that bane begins is going be our prologue. It just makes sense. I think (correct me if im wrong) that King was spotted in India, plus there was a casting side between a mother and young child that makes sense with rocketman's prologue info (which states that Talia IS in the film). Add pictures of Tate wearing LOS type clothing in set pics and you can pretty much make an easy assumption.

We could be wrong...but isn't that the half the fun?

[The_Raganork]

I think the resemblance? And apparently she was in India too although that was never proven except for the words of the India FB guys. It would be funny though if she ends up being young Selina. :funny:

they also at some point thought a 40 year old woman was Joey Temple. So keep that in mind.

Same reason we are so "sure" that bane begins is going be our prologue. It just makes sense. I think (correct me if im wrong) that King was spotted in India, plus there was a casting side between a mother and young child that makes sense with rocketman's prologue info (which states that Talia IS in the film). Add pictures of Tate wearing LOS type clothing in set pics and you can pretty much make an easy assumption.

We could be wrong...but isn't that the half the fun?

Not really. We've been told by a few people that the prologue was going to be Bane-Centric.

there's real no proof that King is Tate. People are just happy to believe because she looks like Marion that she'll be playing a young Marion. Which is a good assumption.

But its not as definite as the prologue being about Bane, that's all but confirmed.

[kvz5]

they also at some point thought a 40 year old woman was Joey Temple. So keep that in mind.

I always found it a bit too convenient that they only claimed to have seen King AFTER it was announced that she was cast. I would believe them more if they mentioned having seen a young girl during the actual shoot.

[The_Raganork]

I always found it a bit too convenient that they only claimed to have seen King AFTER it was announced that she was cast. I would believe them more if they mentioned having seen a young girl during the actual shoot.

Agreed.

That being said; she's unaccounted for during that time and was never seen again.

It'd be something really big if she was not Talia.

[Van Petrol]

I always found it a bit too convenient that they only claimed to have seen King AFTER it was announced that she was cast. I would believe them more if they mentioned having seen a young girl during the actual shoot.

I believe they said they originally saw children during the shoot, specifically a boy and a girl. I believe they only mentioned the girl being Joey King after she was announced, and thus they were able to put a name to the face.

I think that's how it went down, though I won't swear by it.

[Van Petrol]

I feel guilty about wanting to see the LOS again (Bane/Ra's/Talia) when it seems so many are dead against it and only want Selina/Catwoman. :csad:

[The_Raganork]

I feel guilty about wanting to see the LOS again (Bane/Ra's/Talia) when it seems so many are dead against it and only want Selina/Catwoman. :csad:

I don't mind the LoS; I just don't want Bane's story dependent on them.

[Anjow1060]

I'm a little behind on this but why is everyone so damn sure that Tate is Talia and King is her youthful flashback counterpart?

Basically - it was wishful thinking up until Pittsburgh when she walked out in command of a band of Bane's mercs and hopped in a vehicle with the big ol ball of doom. And she was dressed in LOS type clothing. Once we found out Ras Ahl Ghul was in the film it was basically a strong indication that Talia was a key player. If she's not Talia - there will be riots.

RIOTS.

And a lot of people with eyebrows raised higher then the Rock's.


- Jow

[kvz5]

I feel guilty about wanting to see the LOS again (Bane/Ra's/Talia) when it seems so many are dead against it and only want Selina/Catwoman. :csad:

I don't think it's an "only" thing. I think people are just anxious about what's going on with Selina/Catwoman since we haven't heard much about her and so far everything we've been hearing are about Bane (and LoS/Talia/Ra's).

[TinkerTailor]

Same reason we are so "sure" that bane begins is going be our prologue. It just makes sense. I think (correct me if im wrong) that King was spotted in India, plus there was a casting side between a mother and young child that makes sense with rocketman's prologue info (which states that Talia IS in the film). Add pictures of Tate wearing LOS type clothing in set pics and you can pretty much make an easy assumption.

We could be wrong...but isn't that the half the fun?

Until the prologue's released isn't that all of the fun? :woot:

[Sharkboy]

Selina Kyle, now thats a character i'd rather not see much of a backstory on. She can just pop up randomly at important scenes and just really mess things up.

[Van Petrol]

I don't mind the LoS; I just don't want Bane's story dependent on them.
I agree with that. And it's good to know you don't have the daggers out for them completely. :D :up:


I don't think it's an "only" thing. I think people are just anxious about what's going on with Selina/Catwoman since we haven't heard much about her and so far everything we've been hearing are about Bane (and LoS/Talia/Ra's).
I reckon Catwoman will get her time to shine later on. I think at the moment they want to establish the main threat that is going to posed towards Batman and Gotham first. Much like they did with the Joker in regards to TDK.

[The_Raganork]

I love Ra's Al Ghul.

[Van Petrol]

^ Good to know, Rag! :D :up:

[MultipleJesuses]

I love Ra's Al Ghul.

You *****!

[The_Raganork]

You *****!

lol, I foresaw this.

He can't hold a candle to you at all


I'll always mind your surroundings. :cwink::hrt:

[doobie]

I will always mind his surroundings too :hrt:

Awesome flow chart Darkhunt


Sharkboy et al Here is another thought I had. If Joker's chaos made Batman go to a bad extreme for Law (spying on everyone) will Bane's Order make Batman go to a shocking extreme for anarchy. IE teaming up with criminals and becoming more ruthless.

[shortchange]

A very long winded TDKR theory that I admittedly didn't finish reading:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/advanced-batman-theory-why-nolan-will-kill-bruce-wayne/

[The_Raganork]

I will always mind his surroundings too :hrt:



MultipleJesuses is mine!

[godisawesome]

I keep hoping for some kind of amoral Bane and a power struggle between him and the League of Shadows for control of the operation. While I do see Bane as being a man capable of respect and some diluted code of conduct, I just don't see him being a utopian idealist. I see him being a man who embraces the darkness, not blinded by the light like Ducard or laughing at the very idea of morality like the Joker. And while I do think he has a definite connection to the League of Shadows, I don't think he's in the League itself.

This is why I think there is plenty of room for Miranda Tate to be a fully fleshed out version of Talia Al Ghul. She can be the de-jure leader of the Shadows while Bane becomes its de-facto head. She may wish to carry out either her father's wishes or some such variation, but Bane can be his own monster. She can be trying to improve the lives of people around Gotham while Bane has no such selfless ambition. And having two leaders of the League fighting Batman would allow Bane to rise to Bruce's level by slautering the last vestiges of Ducard's League, either through violence or by turning them into followers of his way, where the evil and powerful are the ones in charge and where virtue is a vice and vice a virtue. This way, Talia can be an amibuous character with conflicting loyalties and no one can accuse Bane of being anyone's follower.

[doobie]

Yeah, Jake Gyllenhall is the perfect choice for a 12 year old acrobat boy.

[rogue_agent]

^ Good to know, Rag! :D :up:

I believe in Ra's al Ghul. I believe that under his watch, Gotham can be fearful and a little more desolate.

[dark_b]

I think the resemblance? And apparently she was in India too although that was never proven except for the words of the India FB guys. It would be funny though if she ends up being young Selina. :funny:there is nothing funny about that. King looks like a 100% young Marion Cotillard. the casting agency and Nolan would have to be the biggest idiots on this planet to cast her for a young Anne.

if Miranda is Talia is something we will find out in summer 2012. but fact is that King is playing a young Miranda Tate.

[miggizle85]

Judging from all the on-set photos, the leaked filming footages, the teaser, and now the official EMPIRE magazine photos is anyone else getting the feeling that about 70% of this movie will take place during the daytime?

I thought Batman only came out at night, like he literally could not come out during the day. We saw Bruce in action in the daytime in TDK but now it looks like it's going to be "Batman at high noon". Kinda wierd, but... INWT (in nolan we trust).

[MiniBond]

Judging from all the on-set photos, the leaked filming footages, the teaser, and now the official EMPIRE magazine photos is anyone else getting the feeling that about 80% of this movie will take place during the daytime?

I thought Batman only came out at night, like he literally could not come out during the day. We've saw Bruce in action in the daytime in TDK but now it looks like it's going to be "Batman at high noon". Kinda wierd but INWT (in nolan we trust).

I think that's a recent interview (maybe the Empire ones not sure) stating that they decided to portray Bats in full daytime this time, they felt they have gained enough recognition to be that bold !

[TangerineKnight]

Judging from all the on-set photos, the leaked filming footages, the teaser, and now the official EMPIRE magazine photos is anyone else getting the feeling that about 70% of this movie will take place during the daytime?

I thought Batman only came out at night, like he literally could not come out during the day. We saw Bruce in action in the daytime in TDK but now it looks like it's going to be "Batman at high noon". Kinda wierd, but... INWT (in nolan we trust).

It saddens me that people are actually this stupid. Like wow.

[The_Raganork]

Judging from all the on-set photos, the leaked filming footages, the teaser, and now the official EMPIRE magazine photos is anyone else getting the feeling that about 70% of this movie will take place during the daytime?

I thought Batman only came out at night, like he literally could not come out during the day. We saw Bruce in action in the daytime in TDK but now it looks like it's going to be "Batman at high noon". Kinda wierd, but... INWT (in nolan we trust).

No, that was Mange from the powerpuff girls.

[kvz5]

I thought Batman only came out at night, like he literally could not come out during the day. We saw Bruce in action in the daytime in TDK but now it looks like it's going to be "Batman at high noon". Kinda wierd, but... INWT (in nolan we trust).

What do you mean literally? He's not a vampire you know... :dry:

[miggizle85]

It saddens me that people are actually this stupid. Like wow.
Ok no need to be a freakin D***** Bag about it. I was just asking for clarification. I clearly wrote "I thought" which leaves it open for any correction if I was wrong.

[miggizle85]

What do you mean literally? He's not a vampire you know... :dry:

From what I've known of Batman (all the movies, several comics, and the 90s Batman TAS) I don't ever recall him being out in his Batman costume in the daytime. Of course I better be careful and word this correctly for fear that some uppity D**** Bag like TangerineKnight might insult me again. THIS IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I MAY BE WRONG. ANY CORRECTION WILL BE RESPECTFULLY ACCEPTED (as long as you're not a D*****)

[The_Raganork]

From what I've known of Batman (all the movies, several comics, and the 90s Batman TAS) I don't ever recall him being out in his Batman costume in the daytime.

However in the 90's movies he does attend parties and go to court in his costume as if he's a normal person.

[miggizle85]

However in the 90's movies he does attend parties and go to court in his costume as if he's a normal person.

I'm drawing a blank on those examples. Elaborate please.

[Batville]

However in the 90's movies he does attend parties and go to court in his costume as if he's a normal person.
Haha my goodness I remember that! That was so weird

[The_Raganork]

I'm drawing a blank on those examples. Elaborate please.

In Forever we see a flashback of Batman in the courtroom when Harvey is attacked.

In Batman and Robin he attends the Party with Robin in costume (and with credit card) before being ambushed by Ivy and Bane (in Gorilla costume)

[miggizle85]

Haha my goodness I remember that! That was so weird

I don't remember that. Which movie was that from?

[Batville]

I don't remember that. Which movie was that from?

Lol and that Harvey dent scene was so quick. Both those scenes were silly.

[miggizle85]

In Forever we see a flashback of Batman in the courtroom when Harvey is attacked.

In Batman and Robin he attends the Party with Robin in costume (and with credit card) before being ambushed by Ivy and Bane (in Gorilla costume)

Those are Schumacher films though. Those never really happened as far as I'm concerned. If we're taking Schumacher films seriously then we might as accept that Batman has BatNipples, and throw up a thumbs up to Gordan from the Batwing at Jet speed miles off the ground, and can sky surf, and de-freeze Robin with a laser pointer.

Are there other examples of the Batsuit out at day? Because I can't remember any others.

[The_Raganork]

Those are Schumacher films though. Those never really happened as far as I'm concerned.

But you listed 90's films as evidence to never seeing Batman in the day...


If we're taking Schumacher films seriously then we might as accept that Batman has BatNipples, and throw up a thumbs up to Gordan from the Batwing at Jet speed miles off the ground, and can sky surf, and de-freeze Robin with a laser pointer.

.

He did that to RedSkull too!

[miggizle85]

Lol and that Harvey dent scene was so quick. Both those scenes were silly.
So we can agree that Batman in suit during the daytime is a very odd situation indeed then right? At least the two times that it has happened on film it felt really wierd. I know won't pull a Schumacher in his daytime Batman scenes. I just thought it was wierd to see Batman in the day and even wierder that it seems like most of TDKR will take place in the day (presumably) and wondered what others thought.

[doobie]

I used to read 80s reprints as a kid and I'm sure Batman was out in the day a lot then. Can't think of particular stories tho.

[doobie]

Also, in the original script for 89, Batman chased Joker on a horse in the day, but the scene was not filmed.

[Boom]

The entirety of the Adam West Batman series takes place during the day.

I believe there was one episode of TAS that featured Batman during the day, but I'm not positive of that.

[akfj]

It happened in some episodes of BTAS, the "Clock King" episode and "House and Garden" coming to mind first.

[miggizle85]

But you listed 90's films as evidence to never seeing Batman in the day...


But also said "off the top of my head" and you gotta admit that the courtroom scene was very quick and highly forgetable, and as for Batman&Robin well let's just say I wish that ENTIRE movie was quick and highly forgettable as well.... *sobs* but it's not. *sobs again*

[dark_b]

i didnt like the idea that batman is fighting durring the day. but when i saw what they filmed and when i found out the context i was 100% positive that it will work. when you know the context and how it fits into the story its a powerfull moment in TDKR.

[doobie]

I expect it won't be business as usual but Batman will be forced by events to fight in the day. Also there were times in TDK where he was in well lit places, like the interragation room and the party.

[The_Raganork]

I don't see why its a big deal that he comes out during the day.

He fights crime, crime happens in the daytime...

[Brain Damage]

I remember reading an issue a while back that had a villain who's face was horrifically scarred from a boiling water accident as a child, and Batman and Robin both go to stop him in broad daylight, and I remember Bats saying something along the lines of how normally he wouldn't do this, but in a circumstance where lives are at risk, he'll dawn the costume if he has to.
It's been years since I've read that though. Does anyone have any clue what I'm talking about?

[miggizle85]

It happened in some episodes of BTAS, the "Clock King" episode and "House and Garden" coming to mind first.

"THE CLOCK KING"!!!! You know I knew I had seen it in the 90s TAS but I couldn't remember where. But yet AGAIN, that episode was wierd too. It did not feel like Batman at all.

Also someone mentioned the Adam West series. Nice one. I completely forgot about that one. But they didn't really take Batman seriously back then so I won't count it.

[dark_b]

I don't see why its a big deal that he comes out during the day.

He fights crime, crime happens in the daytime...but this is a movie. he is not just fighting in the daytime because crime is at daytime. batman stories are always written at night because this is the character.

thats why the fight at daytime is so important for Bruce Wayne. the fight was written for Bruce Wayne's development. it has IMO everything to do in what place Batman is and how Gotham looks at him.

IMO the fight will go in history as the biggest epic batman moment .

[miggizle85]

I don't see why its a big deal that he comes out during the day.

He fights crime, crime happens in the daytime...

It's not a big deal. It's not. I just thought it was wierd to see. Especially since they even made mention to the fact in TDK when Joker says "I know why you choose to have your group therapy sessions in the daytime. I know why you're afraid to go out at night". I mean it's pretty clear to me that Nolan has made it point to emphasise that Batman comes out at night, and when he needs to do something during the day, Bruce goes out as Bruce.

[miggizle85]

At any rate I'd like to thank you Raganork8 for being a civilized Hype member and actually contributing something to this discussion rather than just spewing high brow insults then tucking and running like TangerineKnight.

[The_Raganork]

but this is a movie.
This is my main point.

I realize the comics do other things but this is a movie.

he is not just fighting in the daytime because crime is at daytime. batman stories are always written at night because this is the character.

Its a bit of a limitation as well. Batman not coming out in the day at all just doesn't seem like a dramatic leap in characterization to me. Sure I'm aware he comes out mostly at night but when we saw footage of him out during the day I didn't even think: "WHOA HE'S IN THE DAYLIGHT" It's a defining feature of the character to me anymore.

He's needed when he's needed and he heeds the call.

thats why the fight at daytime is so important for Bruce Wayne. the fight was written for Bruce Wayne's development. it has IMO everything to do in what place Batman is and how Gotham looks at him.

Well it has better be symbolic and not something like: "I've realized now...I have to go out in the daytime" cause that'll be very awful.

IMO the fight will go in history as the biggest epic batman moment .

Sure, the least of that to me has to do with what time of day it is.

It's not a big deal. It's not. I just thought it was wierd to see. Especially since they even made mention to the fact in TDK when Joker says "I know why you choose to have your group therapy sessions in the daytime. I know why you're afraid to go out at night". I mean it's pretty clear to me that Nolan has made it point to emphasise that Batman comes out at night, and when he needs to do something during the day, Bruce goes out as Bruce.

I don't think it was emphasized...I think there are allusions to it but when you shoot Batman in very brightly lit places it also kind of lends itself to daytime.

I'm aware people are surprised by this development, I'm just saying I was not and it seems like a logical move, not one that's being particularly daring.

[rogue_agent]

It's not a big deal. It's not. I just thought it was wierd to see. Especially since they even made mention to the fact in TDK when Joker says "I know why you choose to have your group therapy sessions in the daytime. I know why you're afraid to go out at night". I mean it's pretty clear to me that Nolan has made it point to emphasise that Batman comes out at night, and when he needs to do something during the day, Bruce goes out as Bruce.

I think the circumstances will be so serious that Batman will have no choice but to come out during the day.

[dark_b]

the rumor is that Bane tells everyone that Bruce is Batman. IF this rumor is true then the fight at daytime is even a bigger deal. it would also made it more awesome since he is wearing the batsuit.

[Dr Lee]

Just pure speculation here... i remember that TDK's teaser had the film's final scene in it... I wonder if the 'Come at me, Bro' image is from the final Bane/Bats fight?

[miggizle85]

I don't think it was emphasized...I think there are allusions to it but when you shoot Batman in very brightly lit places it also kind of lends itself to daytime.

I'm aware people are surprised by this development, I'm just saying I was not and it seems like a logical move, not one that's being particularly daring.

I think it was. Especially in TDK. Joker KNEW Batman wouldn't come out at night. That's why when he's setting things up for the big show down he does most of his work during the day (bank robbery, gang meeting, kidnappings, Assassination attempt on Mayor, Colman Reece hit, Hospital explosion, etc etc etc). Also when Bruce decided to take action in the daytime, Nolan made it clear (at least to me) that he was not going to go out in the daytime as Batman (boat, Fox-Lau meeting, motorcycle, and Lamborghini scenes). He even jokes about it with Alfred *in response to batpod* "In the middle of the day Alfred? Not very subtle".

Also I'd like to add that the Joker only really came out at night first at Harvey's fundraiser because he thought he'd be in and out and wouldn't have to worry about Batman in such a short time (he didn't know Bruce was Batman), next when he thinks Harvey is Batman and is being transported, and finally at the end when he thinks Batman will be so pre-occupied with the boats that he'll never find him. So to me it's pretty clear that Nolan wanted us to feel that Joker knew Batman only came out at night and did all he could to avoid him (when possible).

[dark_b]

Just pure speculation here... i remember that TDK's teaser had the film's final scene in it... I wonder if the 'Come at me, Bro' image is from the final Bane/Bats fight?we dont know how many fights are between Bane and Batman. what we know for sure is that in the first fight Bane defeats Batman. and that is ''come at me bro'' pic. the first fight.
the fight outside on the street is IMO the second fight.


BB trailers also showed the last scene when he he is flying down and opens the cape. the last shot from TDK and BB didnt spoil the ending. but i think the last shot from TDKR could spoil it so IMO they will not use it in the trailers.

[miggizle85]

Just pure speculation here... i remember that TDK's teaser had the film's final scene in it... I wonder if the 'Come at me, Bro' image is from the final Bane/Bats fight?

Very possible. Batman does look pretty worn down. But then again that could be a scene earlier in the movie where Bane "breaks" him, and from which he has to "RISE".

[frakkingoff]

what we know for sure is that in the first fight Bane defeats Batman. and that is ''come at me bro'' pic. the first fight.

No, we don't know for sure that Bane defeats Batman.

Nor do we know that the "come at me bro" pic is necessarily part of a fight, or part of the FIRST fight, or part of a fight in which Batman defeats Bane.

[frakkingoff]

You guys are mixing up Foley with Petit in "No Man's Land."

Petit (who was in charge of the QRT before NML) was the one who went off the rails and wanted to use lethal force. Other cops, including Foley, also thought Gordon was wrong in his methods, sided with Petit, and went off with Petit when he broke away to form his splinter group. So did Huntress.

But Foley was reasonable. He was freaking out when he realized that Petit was crazy, and both he and Huntress realized they had made a mistake in siding with Petit.

[miggizle85]

You guys are mixing up Foley with Petit in "No Man's Land."

Petit (who was in charge of the QRT before NML) was the one who went off the rails and wanted to use lethal force. Other cops, including Foley, also thought Gordon was wrong in his methods, sided with Petit, and went off with Petit when he broke away to form his splinter group. So did Huntress.

But Foley was reasonable. He was freaking out when he realized that Petit was crazy, and both he and Huntress realized they had made a mistake in siding with Petit.

Huh?

[Doc Samson]

the rumor is that Bane tells everyone that Bruce is Batman. IF this rumor is true then the fight at daytime is even a bigger deal. it would also made it more awesome since he is wearing the batsuit.

Not only that, but this scene in question is during a full riot, it's not like he's just out in the daytime trying to stop muggers or purse snatchers.

[dark_b]

Not only that, but this scene in question is during a full riot, it's not like he's just out in the daytime trying to stop muggers or purse snatchers.from what i understand Bane has a lot mercs and a lot prisoners from teh Blackgate prison. the police was hidding for months in the sewers. when Batman comes back he and Gordon plan to take back Gotham. thats why Modine is in his uniform. its not just a normal fight. its a big deal for the police.

we know that the fights starts with the polie against mercs. we dont see batman on the ground. i hope there will be a scene where Zimmer slow's down the music and Batman jumps down from the batwing to fight Bane. i HOPE for the love of god they will not show hom just appear there . this is the big battle. we need cliche scenes that are epic.

[miggizle85]

Whatever the case I think we all (except for that D***** Bag TangerineKnight) agree that for Batman to be out in full costume during the daytime something HUGE has to have happened or be happening or is about to happen right?

[Nevincer]

Just pure speculation here... i remember that TDK's teaser had the film's final scene in it... I wonder if the 'Come at me, Bro' image is from the final Bane/Bats fight?
That's wrong, dude. TDK's teaser had no footage at all. It was the TDK theatrical trailer which began with the final scene in it... so yeah.

[Visiting Arkham]

Just pure speculation here... i remember that TDK's teaser had the film's final scene in it... I wonder if the 'Come at me, Bro' image is from the final Bane/Bats fight?

I always loved that the first piece of footage shown from The Dark Knight was the very last shot of the movie.

[Sharkboy]

He dosent fight in daytime because it defeats the purpose of his image, he works better under cover of darkness, otherwise he's just another well trained warrior in a bat costume, but if something crazy is happening during the day like say a riot or a battle between the league and cops that determines who get's control of gotham, Batman isn't going to stare at the fight through his window and just sulk because it's not nighttime, he is going to get involved! Unless the film set's every major event during nighttime, because yeah that isn't stupid....

[boocherhix]

It happened in some episodes of BTAS, the "Clock King" episode ...

In all the years since TAS was on the air one of the few things I always remember is from that episode: "Fugaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate!"

Anyways, continue...

[miggizle85]

That's wrong, dude. TDK's teaser had no footage at all. It was the TDK theatrical trailer which began with the final scene in it... so yeah.

I'm pretty sure he meant the first trailer.

[Dr Lee]

That's wrong, dude. TDK's teaser had no footage at all. It was the TDK theatrical trailer which began with the final scene in it... so yeah.

D'OH! :doh:

[Nevincer]

I'm pretty sure he meant the first trailer.
He compared it to the TDKR teaser's footage of Bane/Batman. But the first footage we saw from TDK was from the second trailer, not the teaser like with TDKR.

[rogue_agent]

No, we don't know for sure that Bane defeats Batman.

Nor do we know that the "come at me bro" pic is necessarily part of a fight, or part of the FIRST fight, or part of a fight in which Batman defeats Bane.

Petit! Now I remember. Got them mixed up. Thanks!

[rogue_agent]

Whatever the case I think we all agree that for Batman to be out in full costume during the daytime something HUGE has to have happened or be happening or is about to happen right?

Right!

[Dr Lee]

He compared it to the TDKR teaser's footage of Bane/Batman. But the first footage we saw from TDK was from the second trailer, not the teaser like with TDKR.

I mixed up the teaser & the trailer....

[dark_b]

He dosent fight in daytime because it defeats the purpose of his image, he works better under cover of darkness, otherwise he's just another well trained warrior in a bat costume, but if something crazy is happening during the day like say a riot or a battle between the league and cops that determines who get's control of gotham, Batman isn't going to stare at the fight through his window and just sulk because it's not nighttime, he is going to get involved! Unless the film set's every major event during nighttime, because yeah that isn't stupid....but its happening because the writter wrotte it.why is superman always saving planes and collapsing buildings? why is spiderman's fight always on location where he can swing? why is the finale in a Green Lantern movie set in space?
what would happend if a plane was crashing in a batman movie ?
everything is written for the specific character so that it fits with him. the finale from TDK could be set at daytime but it was at night. because its a batman movie. it was written like that.

so IMO its not just as simple as '' its just at daytime''. no. it was written for Bruce's character .

why is Bruce Wearing the batsuit durring the daytime fight? teh suit was created and designed for night. thats what it is about. the batsuit is not the perfect suit for every scenario. it was created for fear,for hidding in shadows and flying ,....
Bruce in 24 hours could find a better suit for that fight at daytime.a suit more practical for that time. but he is wearing the batsuit. he is standing in middle of 1000 people with weapons. he is standing outside at daytime. he is now a normal human in a suit. he is fighting Bane as a man. he had the option to use at least 100 gadgets to defeat Bane 20 meters away. but he is fighting him as a man. thats why the daytime fight in the third act is such a big moment.

[Sharkboy]

but its happening because the writter wrotte it.why is superman always saving planes and collapsing buildings? why is spiderman's fight always on location where he can swing? why is the finale in a Green Lantern movie set in space?
what would happend if a plane was crashing in a batman movie ?
everything is written for the specific character so that it fits with him. the finale from TDK could be set at daytime but it was at night. because its a batman movie. it was written like that.

so IMO its not just as simple as '' its just at daytime''. no. it was written for Bruce's character .

why is Bruce Wearing the batsuit durring the daytime fight? teh suit was created and designed for night. thats what it is about. the batsuit is not the perfect suit for every scenario. it was created for fear,for hidding in shadows and flying ,....
Bruce in 24 hours could find a better suit for that fight at daytime.a suit more practical for that time. but he is wearing the batsuit. he is standing in middle of 1000 people with weapons. he is standing outside at daytime. he is now a normal human in a suit. he is fighting Bane as a man. he had the option to use at least 100 gadgets to defeat Bane 20 meters away. but he is fighting him as a man. thats why the daytime fight in the third act is such a big moment.

Yes ok, the point is it's a major limitation if you always write big confrontations at nighttime, then you can always pose the question what if it happened during the daytime, would Batman just stand idly by? It's hokey and illogical, heck if villains had any sense then most of their operations would be dealt during the day.

Im also sure at whatever scene you are describing, by the time of TDKR, batman is more than just a man in a suit to the people of gotham, he is a symbol, day or night when people see him there with that suit they know who he is and what he stands for. Daytime wouldn't work during the earlier films, or the early part of his career, but now im sure they all know who the batman is, and what he can do. If you see him regardless....im pretty sure their is a great deal of bricks ejected from the rear.

[dark_b]

in a way Batman gives a statement ''you wanted me ---- here i am motherf..... ''

[Doc Samson]

Yes ok, the point is it's a major limitation if you always write big confrontations at nighttime, then you can always pose the question what if it happened during the daytime, would Batman just stand idly by? It's hokey and illogical, heck if villains had any sense then most of their operations would be dealt during the day.

Im also sure at whatever scene you are describing, by the time of TDKR, batman is more than just a man in a suit to the people of gotham, he is a symbol, day or night when people see him there with that suit they know who he is and what he stands for. Daytime wouldn't work during the earlier films, or the early part of his career, but now im sure they all know who the batman is, and what he can do. If you see him regardless....im pretty sure their is a great deal of bricks ejected from the rear.

And Nolan said as much in that Empire interview. Batman has a reputation now, night or day. The criminals don't need to see him in the shadows to be afraid anymore. As far as they're concerned, he might kill them lol

[kvz5]

in a way Batman gives a statement ''you wanted me ---- here i am motherf..... ''

You know what will be more awesome? If Batman utter those lines! :awesome:

[Nave 'Torment']

Same reason we are so "sure" that bane begins is going be our prologue. It just makes sense. I think (correct me if im wrong) that King was spotted in India, plus there was a casting side between a mother and young child that makes sense with rocketman's prologue info (which states that Talia IS in the film). Add pictures of Tate wearing LOS type clothing in set pics and you can pretty much make an easy assumption.

We could be wrong...but isn't that the half the fun?

Indeed it is. But Nolan did say that the prologue will be about Bane, a taste of his rampage throughout the movie, of sorts. But I see where the King theory got it's ground from.

Basically - it was wishful thinking up until Pittsburgh when she walked out in command of a band of Bane's mercs and hopped in a vehicle with the big ol ball of doom. And she was dressed in LOS type clothing. Once we found out Ras Ahl Ghul was in the film it was basically a strong indication that Talia was a key player. If she's not Talia - there will be riots.

RIOTS.

And a lot of people with eyebrows raised higher then the Rock's.


- Jow

:awesome: I suppose it makes sense, but it's still unconfirmed so yeah. And wouldn't Bruce be more cautious of LoS identity-plays? But anyway, thanks for clearing that up for me.

I don't mind the LoS; I just don't want Bane's story dependent on them.

I'm not a big fan of the idea that the LoS are making a direct return. Bane should be an independent threat on his own, but I can stand a group of LoS wanting to bring the clan back to its glory, and starting off by breaking Batman. That makes sense, but at a great expense of casting a long shadow over Batman's Rogues Gallery.

I don't think it's an "only" thing. I think people are just anxious about what's going on with Selina/Catwoman since we haven't heard much about her and so far everything we've been hearing are about Bane (and LoS/Talia/Ra's).

Yeah, I know I am. I really hope Selina is a signifcant character in the film, and with Bruce as well.

Selina Kyle, now thats a character i'd rather not see much of a backstory on. She can just pop up randomly at important scenes and just really mess things up.

To me it's rather confusing - I want her to be a part of that 8 years, and do that pop up random thing, but I also want her to have a good and fleshed out characterisation. It's very possible even without a backstory though.

[Diemtay]

edit:nvm

[The Wizard]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/advanced-batman-theory-why-nolan-will-kill-bruce-wayne_p2/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Movies+%26+TV&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module

Anyone think this will happen?

[Excelsior.]

Batman fighting in daylight is visually conveying his rising and inspiring the city. I imagine the rest of the action will take place at night so the contrast is heightened. ***gasp***...visual storytelling. Something Nolan isn't known for!

[RKO]

Batman fighting in daylight is visually conveying his rising and inspiring the city. I imagine the rest of the action will take place at night so the contrast is heightened. ***gasp***...visual storytelling. Something Nolan isn't known for!

My pants.
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7691/1322525370559.png

[venus_ice]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/advanced-batman-theory-why-nolan-will-kill-bruce-wayne_p2/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Movies+%26+TV&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module

Anyone think this will happen?


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvee93KnBD1qam81qo1_500.jpg

That's so awful that I peed a little in protest. :lmao:

[Jedm1991]

Dont often come here now but has this been Approved/Disapproved by you guys, sucks to me http://www.ramascreen.com/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-description-plus-details-about-bane

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Dont often come here now but has this been Approved/Disapproved by you guys, sucks to me http://www.ramascreen.com/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-description-plus-details-about-bane

Intermeresting! Very, very intermeresting!

[frakkingoff]

That prologue description is the first one that actually sounds like it could be legit.

[film4life]

The more and more I think about it, the more I think this is going to be more of a BB sequel. Which would have been interesting if they would have done Bane's story back in 2008 and ended the trilogy with Joker.

[DaveMoral]

Batman fighting in daylight is visually conveying his rising and inspiring the city. I imagine the rest of the action will take place at night so the contrast is heightened. ***gasp***...visual storytelling. Something Nolan isn't known for!

Honestly, it's also a blatant homage to Nolan's affinity for the 60s show. Batman almost never worked at night on that show!

We get Romero's clown mask in TDK, Newmar's Catwoman in TDKR... Batman in broad daylight. Maybe he'll run down the middle of the street too!

http://cdn.gs.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tumblr_lm2n6lWiqn1qafrh6.gif

[Boom]

The day I see Batman run at full speed in a film is the day I run down the street naked.

[Blue Sugar]

The day I see Batman run at full speed in a film is the day I run down the street naked.

Doesn't Batman 66 count?

[Just_Human]

Dont often come here now but has this been Approved/Disapproved by you guys, sucks to me http://www.ramascreen.com/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-description-plus-details-about-bane

Wow

Good stuff

[Sith Scotti]

If Batman only showed up at night a terrorist like Bane could just blow up football stadiums during the day . It makes no sense to me to have a nights only rule . Wouldn't Bats have a moral obligation to try and stop horrific acts during the day?

I don't get why people are anal over this . Bad things happen during daylight you know ?

[ThePhantasm]

The day I see Batman run at full speed in a film is the day I run down the street naked.

Did you run down the street naked after the end of TDK? When he was running away and the kid was shouting "Batman! Batman!"

[Just_Human]

Plus remember those early set pics of Bane without the
mask.

[Boom]

Did you run down the street naked after the end of TDK? When he was running away and the kid was shouting "Batman! Batman!"
If that was full-speed, it was pretty pitiful.

[CaptainSpunk]

You know what will be more awesome? If Batman utter those lines! :awesome:

I would really like to see that too. That would be badass...

[TheDragonator]

If that was full-speed, it was pitiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MZJdQ_rmy_U#t=129s

It counts.

Also, I realized that in Gotham Knights, David Mcallum was Alfred.

Who has always been one of my personal most-wanted candidates to play Alfred. :awesome:

Also, I highly believe he probably ran at least once in Mask of the Phantasm.

[DoomsdayApex]

Well Boom, get to streaking. :o :hehe:

[jonathancrane]

If that was full-speed, it was pretty pitiful.
This.

[Boom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MZJdQ_rmy_U#t=129s

It counts.

Also, I realized that in Gotham Knights, David Mcallum was Alfred.

Who has always been one of my personal most-wanted candidates to play Alfred. :awesome:

Also, I highly believe he probably ran at least once in Mask of the Phantasm.
Guess I should have specified "big-budget, live-action Batman film."

[ThePhantasm]

If that was full-speed, it was pretty pitiful.

I think you keep narrowing the definition to avoid a nude run... :oldrazz:

If Batman runs full speed when he is not inhibited by injuries, is fully healthy, in a live action big budget Batman film (not including the 1960s Batman)...

[Boom]

I think you keep narrowing the definition to avoid a nude run... :oldrazz:

If Batman runs full speed when he is not inhibited by injuries, is fully healthy, in a live action big budget Batman film (not including the 1960s Batman)...
I'm serious though. It's something I've been dying to see in a live-action Batman film.

First I hoped to see it in BB, with Batman being chased by the cops.
Then I hoped for a rooftop chase between Batman and Catwoman in this film - until I saw that Catwoman will be wearing heels.

:csad:

[ThePhantasm]

I'm serious though. It's something I've been dying to see in a live-action Batman film.

First I hoped to see it in BB, with Batman being chased by the cops.
Then I hoped for a rooftop chase between Batman and Catwoman in this film - until I saw that Catwoman will be wearing heels.

:csad:

Yeah I know. I feel your disappointment with that one. :mad:

[kvz5]

Well we're getting a Bat and Cat rooftop scene. It just doesn't look like the type of rooftop scene we were hoping for.

[mddbatman]

The day I see Batman run at full speed in a film is the day I run down the street naked.

I wish i could link to a video of that scene from "only fools and horses" right now ha,im thinking most people on here wont get that but i hope some people will,sorry for the misuse of speech marks i was just trying to highlight the programs name

[バット人]

You know Boom, I don't want to make you run in the nude, but Batman does sprint in Batman '89 (with Vicki Vale in the alley way) and in Batman Forever (running after Two-Face in the bank).

[boocherhix]

The day I see Batman run at full speed in a film is the day I run down the street naked.

@2:00

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[miggizle85]

If Batman only showed up at night a terrorist like Bane could just blow up football stadiums during the day . It makes no sense to me to have a nights only rule . Wouldn't Bats have a moral obligation to try and stop horrific acts during the day?

I don't get why people are anal over this . Bad things happen during daylight you know ?

Who's more anal? Someone who wants to discuss something of interest to them or someone who instantly labels them as anal for having any sort of differring opinion? Look Nolan has clearly established that Batman does not don the suit during the daytime in BB and TDK. It's not a rule we made up. I was merely stating the fact that it seems as though the circumstances in this movie are so dire that Batman has apparently threw his rule out the window. Sure it's not his "ONE RULE" but it is one of his understood rules.

[バット人]

You know Boom, I don't want to make you run in the nude, but Batman does sprint in Batman '89 (with Vicki Vale in the alley way) and in Batman Forever (running after Two-Face in the bank).

@2:00

T78lwKBIQYs


Yep, and here @ 6:58,


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[SuperestHero]

He wasn't running at fullspeed at the end of TDK. His leg was all screwed up from the fall with Two Face and he had been shot aswell!

[Brain Damage]

@2:00

T78lwKBIQYs

Yep, and here @ 6:58,


SjYZuxx2yOc

http://i44.tinypic.com/24fecs1.gif

[バット人]

You want to see Boom run naked Brain Damage?

[boocherhix]

:hehe:

[WhiteBrownBlack]

Yep, and here @ 6:58,


SjYZuxx2yOc

God... This just reminds me of how much I hate this movie. And how much I despise Burton as a filmmaker.

[Brain Damage]

You want to see Boom run naked Brain Damage?

In a completely heterosexual way, promise.

God... This just reminds me of how much I hate this movies. And how much I despise Burton as a filmmaker.

Interesting. If anything that just made me want to rewatch Batman Forever.

[バット人]

God... This just reminds me of how much I hate this movie. And how much I despise Burton as a filmmaker.


That's Batman Forever, Schumacher's baby, not Burton's.

[RustyCage]

God... This just reminds me of how much I hate this movie. And how much I despise Burton as a filmmaker.

Before you go despising someone for making something, you should probably figure out exactly who made it. :dry:

[MechaOrga]

has anyone mentioned that IMAX footage looks better and more breathtaking when used during the daytime (and wally doesn't have to worry to much about lighting)

Hence batman during the day (especially the big 1000 man melee)

:)

[Batville]

Can anyone tell me why Bruce just decides to run after his encounter with falconer?


And does anyone have specific examples where Katie Holmes isn't convincing in BB?

[バット人]

Can anyone tell me why Bruce just decides to run after his encounter with falconer?

To catch a boat before it leaves Gotham.

[Doc Samson]

Dont often come here now but has this been Approved/Disapproved by you guys, sucks to me http://www.ramascreen.com/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-description-plus-details-about-bane

I'd actually like it, if it winds up being true of course :cwink:

[mddbatman]

Before you go despising someone for making something, you should probably figure out exactly who made it. :dry:

This

[AnneFan]

Can anyone tell me why Bruce just decides to run after his encounter with falconer?
Falcone didn't fear him (yes, that word again) and he probably took some of his words to heart and wanted to do something about it. Not ever tasting desperate and "You'd have to go a thousand miles to meet someone who didn't know your name."

[Zorak]

SRY guys been away for 4 days...can anyone give me a recap?

[Broker]

That's Batman Forever, Schumacher's baby, not Burton's.

To be fair, it's not like that one had nothing to do with him - he was Producer on it.

[bullets]

God... This just reminds me of how much I hate this movie. And how much I despise Burton as a filmmaker.


You hate Tim Burton because of a film Joel Schumacher directed :huh:

[Avengers-Report]

Falcone didn't fear him (yes, that word again) and he probably took some of his words to heart and wanted to do something about it. Not ever tasting desperate and "You'd have to go a thousand miles to meet someone who didn't know your name."

Exactly. And what did he did? Went more than 1,000 miles...

[Sharkboy]

The absolute crazy thing is, If BF and B&R never existed, I could go up to people and show them The Lost Boys, Flatliners, Falling Down, A Time to Kill, 8mm, Tigerland and Phone Booth and tell them it was all done by the same director who was going to make a batman film, A lot of people would have gotten excited...not knowing exactly what was in store for them.

I don't think Schumacher is a terrible director, he's made some of my favourite 80's flicks and his visual style in films like lost boys and 8mm would have translated greatly to a batman film. I guess this just proves some directors just don't get Batman...regardless of their talent.

[Gianakin_]

I think Joel is the definition of a mediocre director (along with Ron Howard). The guy really tries so hard to tackle interesting concepts and to create even more interesting visuals, but always falls short, be it because he doesn't really utilize the full potential of his (more often than not) promising scripts, or because he just can't achieve good camera work.

But I like the guy because he honestly tries and WANTS to do good movies. He's not a hack in any way, as far as I'm concerned. Other, more prominent directors have the honor to be called that.

[Sharkboy]

I think Joel is the definition of a mediocre director (along with Ron Howard). The guy really tries so hard to tackle interesting concepts and to create even more interesting visuals, but always falls short, be it because he doesn't really utilize the full potential of his (more often than not) promising scripts, or because he just can't achieve good camera work.

Yes, but would you put him on the line of guys like Brett Ratner, McG, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer? You wouldn't because he isn't nearly as ad as those guys, he's made some stinkers, he's made some really good films, he isn't the devil as much as some people here like to label him. It's WB i like to place most of the blame for the bad batman films...and they have more than made up for it recently.

[Gianakin_]

Yes, but would you put him on the line of guys like Brett Ratner, McG, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer? You wouldn't because he isn't nearly as ad as those guys, he's made some stinkers, he's made some really good films, he isn't the devil as much as some people here like to label him. It's WB i like to place most of the blame for the bad batman films...and they have more than made up for it recently.

Agreed. Check my edit in my previous post. Besides, I think he's mediocre, remember? The guys you just mentioned are what I'd call bad directors.

[dark_b]

Joel wanted more freedom when making movies. deirecting a hit batman movie was a good decision. of course if your big blockbuster is such a creative failure you are gone.

Tarsem made Immortals for money and for more freedom. the biggest problem he has now is his Mirror Mirror movie.MCG thought that a terminator movie with Bale is a sure hit. . it underperformed. MCG was gone. all projects that he had lines up were thrown away.

Sndyer is an example of a director who's movie made so much money that WB still gives him new movies. 300 made a lot money. so much money that after Watchmen ,Owl movie and Sucker Punch underperformed they still gave him Superman. its true that they needed the movie in production n 2011 but still.Owl movie and Sucker Punch underperformed very very hard. and he was hired for superman when WB knew that Sucker Punch would bomb. only because of 300.

[Batman jr.]

Shoemaker apologized for B&R, so it's ok. :woot:

[jmc]

I look at it this way, Joel Schumacher is the reason why we are where we are right now. He may have nearly screwed the character up but that stuff up ultimately created a chain of events that have lead to Batman reclaiming the title of biggest superhero in the world. I can look back and laugh at B&R, and in a strange way appreciate it now knowing that without it Chris Nolan's Batman would have never happened.

[craigdbfan]

I look at it this way, Joel Schumacher is the reason why we are where we are right now. He may have nearly screwed the character up but that stuff up ultimately created a chain of events that have lead to Batman reclaiming the title of biggest superhero in the world. I can look back and laugh at B&R, and in a strange way appreciate it now knowing that without it Chris Nolan's Batman would have never happened.

That's a good way of looking at it.

[dark_b]

but thats because the new movies are out. how was it in 1997? the same like this year with Green Lantern. yes they will make a good movie in the future. but today i have nothing. and i am sad

[herolee10]

I look at it this way, Joel Schumacher is the reason why we are where we are right now. He may have nearly screwed the character up but that stuff up ultimately created a chain of events that have lead to Batman reclaiming the title of biggest superhero in the world. I can look back and laugh at B&R, and in a strange way appreciate it now knowing that without it Chris Nolan's Batman would have never happened.

That's a good way of looking at it.

Indeed, and I hope that the same method of killing a dying franchise in order to revive it afterwards to something epic will happen with Nolan and Goyer's take on Superman with Snyder.lol

But yeah, I'm just glad that Joel never got a chance to continue with making Batman. Lord knows on what he would have done with the rumored villains for his potential sequel of having Scarecrow, Harley, and a resurrected Joker in the form of hallucinations.

[akfj]

but thats because the new movies are out. how was it in 1997? the same like this year with Green Lantern. yes they will make a good movie in the future. but today i have nothing. and i am sad

Well, at least at that time there were still the Burton Batman films to fall back on. Green Lantern fans got one shot and that's it.

[AnneFan]

To be fair, it's not like that one had nothing to do with him - he was Producer on it.
Tim Burton did not contribute story ideas. From memory all he did was attend a meeting with WB where he got the impression they didn't want to go ahead with his vison. And he might've approved Schumacher.

[jmc]

but thats because the new movies are out. how was it in 1997? the same like this year with Green Lantern. yes they will make a good movie in the future. but today i have nothing. and i am sad

And those new movies are out because of it. Think about it this way, if the reception and reaction for B&R was more favourble, even slightly more, things would be entirely different. Lets say B&R is more Forever like in it success, all of a sudden Schumacher comes back to do Batman 5 and the path of Batman in cinema is off in a completely different direction. No gritty interpretation, no billion dollars, no acting Oscar, no bump in Best Picture nominees, no Inception, no recognition of Chris Nolan, hell maybe even the entire genre of superhero film doesn't even exist the way it currently does, so no Iron Man, which was influenced by Begins, and subsequently no Thor, Hulk, Cap America and Avengers, and yes no GL even though it was a failure. Seriously, B&R is, like it or not, a very important movie in terms of where we are in regards to superhero films today.

[dark_b]

i am just angry that a good GL movie is years away. curse you WB and at the same time i need to thank them to give Nolan creative freedom. so its hard.

[Sharkboy]

Watch Chris Nolan get the producing credit on the next batman film, he probably won't have anything to do with it, they'll just attach his name so the change will be easier to swallow.

[Pagan]

Can anyone tell me why Bruce just decides to run after his encounter with falconer?


because Bruce knew that he didn't have what it took to take him down. Like Falcone said. He had cops and judges on the payroll. What could Bruce have done right then? He had to get the goods on him. He had to catch him red handed and do it in such a way that his buddies couldn't help him.

He knew he didn't have the tools or the skills necessary at that time.
So he set out to obtain them. To learn how to fight. How to be a detective. How to get inside a criminal's head.

[Sharkboy]

i am just angry that a good GL movie is years away. curse you WB and at the same time i need to thank them to give Nolan creative freedom. so its hard.

It's a real tragedy what happened to the GL movie, because so much was riding on that, not only the future GL franchise but other DC comic movies like Wonder Woman and flash. What's really sad is that Nicolas Winding Refn wanted Christina Hendricks in his own version of the film, and it's all inspired stuff because that is what they should be doing with all their properties, finding good indie directors with big ideas similar to Chris Nolan, Refn is definately one of them, now if they can get Duncan Jones and Neil Blomkamp into similar superhero films they wouldn't have to worry about franchise tentpoles now that Harry Potter is gone.

And all of this would have been facilitated if GL was good....incredibly frustrating.

[doobie]

Didnt TDK Batman run at top speed to his Bike after hearing Rachel was trapped.

[dark_b]

look i belive Devin Feraci based on his trackrecord. he is not 100% always right. but noone is. you can not know always that the info is correct. but his trackrecord is very good. he is for months saying that Nolan designed the movie so that it ends Bruce Wayne story.a movie where a sequel can not happen.
now lets have a debate if this is true. if Bruce Wayne retires than this would not be a definitive end. he could still come back. so you see the problem? if Bruce Wayne jsut retires with Selina then WB could still make a sequel. Bale saying that its over means ntohing. because money talks. if Bale in 10 years is in big bombs then WB would give him money and he would do Batman Beyond. but back to TDKR.

so how do you end Bruce Wayne's story so that you can not make a sequel?

http://badassdigest.com/2011/11/28/its-official-christian-bale-is-done-with-batman-for-now/

[jmc]

If Bale says he's done then he's done.

[Sharkboy]

look i belive Devin Feraci based on his trackrecord. he is not 100% always right. but noone is. you can not know always that the info is correct. but his trackrecord is very good. he is for months saying that Nolan designed the movie so that it ends Bruce Wayne story.a movie where a sequel can not happen.
now lets have a debate if this is true. if Bruce Wayne retires than this would not be a definitive end. he could still come back. so you see the problem? if Bruce Wayne jsut retires with Selina then WB could still make a sequel. Bale saying that its over means ntohing. because money talks. if Bale in 10 years is in big bombs then WB would give him money and he would do Batman Beyond. but back to TDKR.

so how do you end Bruce Wayne's story so that you can not make a sequel?

http://badassdigest.com/2011/11/28/its-official-christian-bale-is-done-with-batman-for-now/

Death. Anything else can always lead to him putting the cowl back on somehow...and as we've seen in the comics lately even death hasn't stopped it.

[dark_b]

If Bale says he's done then he's done.Bale did Terminator 100% for the paycheck and hoped to have a paycheck franchise for the next 6-7 years.

Bale is a serious and good actor. but he doesnt have a problem for 3 months to act in a dumb blockbuster directed by an idiot.plus lets not forget that humans change. it is weird to read but we do change. in 10 years every actor and director will change . your opinions change and your taste changes. IMO Bale in 10 years would come back in a second if the paycheck was right. this has nothing to do with the acting talent .

[BenReilly]

so how do you end Bruce Wayne's story so that you can not make a sequel?

Death. Anything else can always lead to him putting the cowl back on somehow...and as we've seen in the comics lately even death hasn't stopped it.

There's also the (rumored) notion of Batman/Bruce Wayne's secret identity exposed to the world. That's definitely a genie that can't be put back into it's bottle and would effectively prevent anyone from continuing on from TDKR (prequels not withstanding, of course).

[Batman jr.]

Bale did Terminator 100% for the paycheck and hoped to have a paycheck franchise for the next 6-7 years.

Bale is a serious and good actor. but he doesnt have a problem for 3 months to act in a dumb blockbuster directed by an idiot.plus lets not forget that humans change. it is weird to read but we do change. in 10 years every actor and director will change . your opinions change and your taste changes. IMO Bale in 10 years would come back in a second if the paycheck was right. this has nothing to do with the acting talent .

Luckily, his good roles without looking at the big paycheck only surpass the bad ones by a long shot.

[Anjow1060]

Bale did Terminator 100% for the paycheck and hoped to have a paycheck franchise for the next 6-7 years.

Bale is a serious and good actor. but he doesnt have a problem for 3 months to act in a dumb blockbuster directed by an idiot.plus lets not forget that humans change. it is weird to read but we do change. in 10 years every actor and director will change . your opinions change and your taste changes. IMO Bale in 10 years would come back in a second if the paycheck was right. this has nothing to do with the acting talent .

I don't see how this could possibly be true. Bale was offered Sam Worthington's role initially. He turned it down saying he would rather play John Connor. At that point, Connor's role was tiny - so they said he could and beefed up Connor's involvement in the story.

- Jow

[ALP]

If Bale isn't returning, there's absolutely no point in Nolan returning. Why would Nolan attach his name as producer to a new batman film that isn't in the continuity of his? And if anyone suggest they go down the "same continuity-different actor" route then just refer to the Burton/Schumacher series.

That is all.

[yogamble]

[QUOTE=dark_b;21958397]Bale did Terminator 100% for the paycheck and hoped to have a paycheck franchise for the next 6-7 years.





Is Bale not making anymore terminator films? I didn't hear anything about that but then again I haven't looked.

[Nevincer]

I don't see how this could possibly be true. Bale was offered Sam Worthington's role initially. He turned it down saying he would rather play John Connor. At that point, Connor's role was tiny - so they said he could and beefed up Connor's involvement in the story.

- Jow
Makes sense. Honestly, Terminator was (once) a respectable franchise, and T3 just seemed like a fluke. I disagree that Bale knew what he was exactly walking into with Salvation, in fact I think he wanted to play the iconic John Connor role so that he wasn't only remembered as Batman all his career.

[elgaz]

Bale is a human being, like the rest of us, so probably had a million reasons for doing Terminator.

Partly for the paycheck ........ maybe partly because he felt like doing something with a bit more action at that time .......... maybe because this film was touted as a big restart to the Terminator franchise and the role of John Connor was a fairly iconic one ............. maybe because it looked good on paper, despite how the final product turned out ................... maybe because, as an older guy, he has a family now and they figure in his decisions too.

He's not the first accomplished and respected actor to star in a turd. I'd always assume that when actors are being presented with scripts and ideas for these films which end up being duds, the producers/director behind them must be really good salesmen and polish it up a lot.

I still have a lot of respect for Bale. I don't think he's become a slave to the paycheck quite like some actors I could name - Eddie Murphy, Cuba Gooding and Robert De Niro to name a few. Watching Bale play a supporting role in The Fighter yet completely owning the screen was just a joy.

[Batman jr.]

Bale is even better in "small" movies. I still get shivers when I think of The Machinist. I still feel for him when I think of Rescue Dawn. I still get goosebumps from Harsh Times (he's delightfully over the top in that one).

[Batman jr.]

Bale is a human being, like the rest of us, so probably had a million reasons for doing Terminator.

Partly for the paycheck ........ maybe partly because he felt like doing something with a bit more action at that time .......... maybe because this film was touted as a big restart to the Terminator franchise and the role of John Connor was a fairly iconic one ............. maybe because it looked good on paper, despite how the final product turned out ................... maybe because, as an older guy, he has a family now and they figure in his decisions too.

He's not the first accomplished and respected actor to star in a turd. I'd always assume that when actors are being presented with scripts and ideas for these films which end up being duds, the producers/director behind them must be really good salesmen and polish it up a lot.

I still have a lot of respect for Bale. I don't think he's become a slave to the paycheck quite like some actors I could name - Eddie Murphy, Cuba Gooding and Robert De Niro to name a few.

Ah De Niro, still one of my favourite actors, but what has he been smoking for the last 16 years (I haven't seen Ronin yet, how is it)?

Luckily for him, his classic roles will stand for at least 10,000 years, but even Pacino with his sometimes even bigger stinkers, managed to grab a very decent part now & then.

:csad:

[yogamble]

It's been said people will die in this film. We know from Pittsburgh most likely the mayor will bite it. Who else? I'm betting Gordon and Tate but I'm curious to what other characters people speculate will die?

[jonnywhc]

I don't understand how some people view things..

"They cant kill/unmask Batman, that would change/ruin things for future films."

"They need to give us an open ended ending, or its ruined it, and will confuse the GA when they reboot it"

"If he doesn't die, ther will be a sequal!"

"Oh, so this takes place 8 years after? My fanboy math = that Robin has to be in this somewhere. If not, wtf?"

I mean..what? People keep saying "this isn't the comics, get over it" and I partly agree. But even in the comics not all aligns perfectly and ties in. It's just a new story set ffs.

And I still don't get the whole "He's really fawked himself over adhearing to realism, this isnt Batman." Eh? Its just a "phase" in the mythos. We had the 60s style, Burton, Shoemacker (shh, bad spelling lol), now Nolan, all different. We've had gritty, wimsical, homo-erotic, funny, real AND thats all inbetween. Next..who knows..id love an Arkham City style film. Big scale, gritty, BUT includes the more crazy characters. That'd be win-win right? Why cant people make peace with the notion that Nolans set of films are the way they are and enjoy while it lasts? If u don't u might cry urself too sleep when they reboot it in a Shoemaker style again lol. Plus..I think the realism draws me in more and makes it more powerful, but that's just me.

Ps..this is the last film in this cannon..accept it? I feel a flame approaching lol.

[ALP]

It's been said people will die in this film. We know from Pittsburgh most likely the mayor will bite it. Who else? I'm betting Gordon and Tate but I'm curious to what other characters people speculate will die?

This has been said by who?

[Batman jr.]

This has been said by who?

Uhm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

[Nevincer]

Uhm...

74BzSTQCl_c
Just use the video id.

[Batman jr.]

Just use the video id.

:doh: You're right, but I was right too :awesome: :woot::cwink:

[jonnywhc]

Anyone want to run a compatition on how many minutes TDKR will run?

I'll take..Hm..2hours and 39 minites.

Noone else can take this one, pick your unique number and we shal wait til next year to crown a winner lol.

[ALP]

Uhm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

Is he a man of his word?


See I totally set that up for that punch line:awesome:

[Nevincer]

Anyone want to run a compatition on how many minutes TDKR will run?

I'll take..Hm..2hours and 39 minites.

Noone else can take this one, pick your unique number and we shal wait til next year to crown a winner lol.


3 hours and 15 minutes is my guess, given the supposed 'scope' and 'epic finaleness' of the film.

[jonnywhc]

3 hours and 15 minutes is my guess, given the supposed 'scope' and 'epic finaleness' of the film.

Good choice! I wanted to pick a num longer than TDK, but not that far...id love it tho! But can't see it going past 3 hours.

[Anjow1060]

Anyone want to run a compatition on how many minutes TDKR will run?

I'll take..Hm..2hours and 39 minites.

Noone else can take this one, pick your unique number and we shal wait til next year to crown a winner lol.

Some things never change around here.

Also - up your spelling game, homie.

#Fanboys

- Jow

[kvz5]

Bale is a human being, like the rest of us, so probably had a million reasons for doing Terminator.

Partly for the paycheck ........ maybe partly because he felt like doing something with a bit more action at that time .......... maybe because this film was touted as a big restart to the Terminator franchise and the role of John Connor was a fairly iconic one ............. maybe because it looked good on paper, despite how the final product turned out ................... maybe because, as an older guy, he has a family now and they figure in his decisions too.

He's not the first accomplished and respected actor to star in a turd. I'd always assume that when actors are being presented with scripts and ideas for these films which end up being duds, the producers/director behind them must be really good salesmen and polish it up a lot.

I still have a lot of respect for Bale. I don't think he's become a slave to the paycheck quite like some actors I could name - Eddie Murphy, Cuba Gooding and Robert De Niro to name a few. Watching Bale play a supporting role in The Fighter yet completely owning the screen was just a joy.

Yeah... The paycheck is definitely part of it but I think Bale let his inner kid (you know that kid who wants to play the iconic John Connor) took over when he agreed to star in Terminator. I don't think he knew the mess he was getting into. I think he learned his lesson though. :funny:

Regardless, I think he's one of those actors that will pick a movie based on the people involved in it and what he thinks the quality of it will be (I say "think" because sometimes what you think it will be will not be the end result). It's pretty telling that his next 2 projects are Malick films. Those are not exactly big paycheck films. I'm still hoping that he does Noah with Aronofsky though. I've been wanting an Aronofsky/Bale collaboration for years.

It's been said people will die in this film. We know from Pittsburgh most likely the mayor will bite it. Who else? I'm betting Gordon and Tate but I'm curious to what other characters people speculate will die?

Just going by the set videos/pics/rumors, I'm going to go with Tatelia. I'm not buying anymore the rumors that Blake and Fox will die because I've seen evidence contrary to those rumors.

[ALP]

Wow I can't imagine the movie being over 3 hours. Wouldn't complain if it was tho.

[jonnywhc]

Some things never change around here.

Also - up your spelling game, homie.

#Fanboys

- Jow

Up your reading skills, biatch.

COMPETITION. That's why I pick MY number and someone else picks the one they want

[Nevincer]

There is evidence contrary to Fox dying?

[The Demon's Head]

... "is one of the assassinations ordered by Ra's al Ghul. A mind blowing action sequence set aboard the Hercules plane, involving some innovative camera work ala Inception hallway fight scene. Bane and his mercenaries hijack a military plane transporting a dictator of a country which is in unrest (think Saddam Hussein type figure). He successfully kills the leader, but makes some mistakes along the way and is unable to safely land the plane. Because of the resulting injuries from the accident, he has to undergo complicated surgeries and that is how he winds up with that scar down his neck and the need for the mask to numb the pain."


Is this info legit?

[BenReilly]

3 hours and 15 minutes is my guess, given the supposed 'scope' and 'epic finaleness' of the film.

An IMAX film can't exceed 2 hours and 50 minutes. It's a physical limitation. The projector literally can't hold more than 170 minutes worth of film.

[Nevincer]

The end about it being what scarred him most likely isn't. The whole thing seems to be a summary of the information Rocketman posted here, with his own little additions/assumptions about Bane. But Rocketman didn't claim the plane crash is what injured him or that Bane specifically targets political figures.

[kvz5]

There is evidence contrary to Fox dying?

IMO yes... The rumor was that he died (either by Tatelia's hand or because of her) because he was protecting WE information when they wanted to get intel about the Tumblers and all that. However, we know that he was alive and well when Bruce was preparing The Bat for the City Hall scenes (based on the scene numbers) and we know that Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have the Tumblers by the time the City Hall scenes happened. So Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have that info and Fox is still alive.

[Nevincer]

An IMAX film can't exceed 2 hours and 50 minutes. It's a physical limitation. The projector literally can't hold more than 170 minutes worth of film.
Huh. Interesting. Guess Nolan's love for IMAX will force him to accept his limits duting the cutting process... hope they're not trying to do as much as I think they are or the pace could feel rushed.

[Picklen]

An IMAX film can't exceed 2 hours and 50 minutes. It's a physical limitation. The projector literally can't hold more than 170 minutes worth of film.

How much of the film is going to be in IMAX? like 70%?

[yogamble]

This has been said by who?








I looked but I cant find the artical /quote I'm thinking of. I thought it was a Oldman or some other big player quote but who knows at this point.

[ThePhantasm]

How much of the film is going to be in IMAX? like 70%?

"TDKR... I thought you was IMAX!"

"Half."

:2face:

[*Whiplash*]

I would take a guess at 2hrs 40/45 mins tops.

[Nevincer]

How much of the film is going to be in IMAX? like 70%?
Hmm... is it all about footage? I've just checked and apparently they at one point screened the Lord of the Rings at IMAX, which is definitely over 3 hours each. Are we strictly talking IMAX footage or running times allowed in IMAX cinema releases?

[ThePhantasm]

Hmm... is it all about footage? I've just checked and apparently they at one point screened the Lord of the Rings at IMAX, which is definitely over 3 hours each. Are we strictly talking IMAX footage or running times allowed in IMAX cinema releases?

That experience would have made me cry at the awesomeness.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Some things never change around here.

Also - up your spelling game, homie.

#Fanboys

- Jow

Up your reading skills, biatch.

COMPETITION. That's why I pick MY number and someone else picks the one they want
Guys, I would chill out if I were you. The Mods are watching and you will most likely be called out.

[ALP]

"TDKR... I thought you was IMAX!"

"Half."

:2face:

I lol'd:funny:

[BenReilly]

Hmm... is it all about footage? I've just checked and apparently they at one point screened the Lord of the Rings at IMAX, which is definitely over 3 hours each. Are we strictly talking IMAX footage or running times allowed in IMAX cinema releases?

Basically, all IMAX theaters with film projectors. Only digital projectors can exceed the limit. That's why Zack Snyder had to cut Watchmen down from it's original length, because of the IMAX limit.

[jonnywhc]

Guys, I would chill out if I were you. The Mods are watching and you will most likely be called out.

You are right, fella. Sorry mods, just don't see how I'm a fanboy for wanting to run a guessing game..

I wonder how much % of IMAX we will get..I am really hoping for over the 50% mark. Mind may implode.

[Nevincer]

I know this is a stretch, but say Nolan really wanted the theatrical cut to be over three hours and forced WB's hands... would they not be able to split the IMAX release into two halves? That would probably be a bad idea, but just a thought.

[dark_b]

IMO yes... The rumor was that he died (either by Tatelia's hand or because of her) because he was protecting WE information when they wanted to get intel about the Tumblers and all that. However, we know that he was alive and well when Bruce was preparing The Bat for the City Hall scenes (based on the scene numbers) and we know that Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have the Tumblers by the time the City Hall scenes happened. So Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have that info and Fox is still alive.good post. i forgot about this. of course i must ask. where was Freeman when Bale was filming next to the batwing?

[Nevincer]

IMO yes... The rumor was that he died (either by Tatelia's hand or because of her) because he was protecting WE information when they wanted to get intel about the Tumblers and all that. However, we know that he was alive and well when Bruce was preparing The Bat for the City Hall scenes (based on the scene numbers) and we know that Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have the Tumblers by the time the City Hall scenes happened. So Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have that info and Fox is still alive.
Interesting. I believe it was Rocketman who originally told us about the scenes of JGL getting shot in the head and Fox dying, but he PM'd me the other day saying that currently there is a misinformation campaign going on and Nolan has been outdoing himself on that front. We'll see what happens. The other things I'm hearing is that there is indeed a method from Nolan/WB for purposely spreading false information and actually FILMING false scenes that don't even make it into the movie (http://forums.superherohype.com/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=2225729#) (for example, JGL being shot in the head was filmed, and Lucius being killed was filmed - but whether they actually die in the movie is another story.)

[dark_b]

I know this is a stretch, but say Nolan really wanted the theatrical cut to be over three hours and forced WB's hands... would they not be able to split the IMAX release into two halves? That would probably be a bad idea, but just a thought.TDKR finished filming . and if there was 5minutes devoted to a conversation about a 3 hour movie at WB it would leak out. Bosef already explained that Nolan can have the story and everything a secret until they start production. after that it changes

if they would be thinking about a 3 hour movie than Nolan and WB would talk with the IMAX company for 6 months to find a solution. this would leak. there would be reports that WB and Nolan are thinking about a 3 hour movie. we got nothing in the last 6 months.

[Nevincer]

^Actually, one of Raganork8's sources said that when filming started the idea of "splitting the film" was thrown around WB/Team Nolan, but ultimately denied. This indicated to him this would be a loong movie.

[dark_b]

you mean like Matrix 2 and 3? oh yes i remember that.

but i was talking about a 3 hour TDKR cut in IMAX

[jonnywhc]

I know this is a stretch, but say Nolan really wanted the theatrical cut to be over three hours and forced WB's hands... would they not be able to split the IMAX release into two halves? That would probably be a bad idea, but just a thought.

I don't see why not..especially cos real IMAX is limited in its availability, making it a special event..and that its the most highly anticipated film of next year. When I go to IMAX there is always a spoken notice beforehand about how massive it is etc, all they need to do is add in "half way thru we will..etc" in a classy way lol. In a way it could add more "epicness" of the event.

[ThePhantasm]

Interesting. I believe it was Rocketman who originally told us about the scenes of JGL getting shot in the head and Fox dying, but he PM'd me the other day saying that currently there is a misinformation campaign going on and Nolan has been outdoing himself on that front.

Cool. That's kinda like what they did a few times with the LOST season finales... they'd film fake stuff so that fake spoilers would get out.

[jonnywhc]

unless u mean split in 2..ala Harry Potter lol, then I was mistaken!

[lukey37]

TDKR shoot was shorter than TDK shoot. It'd say the runtime is going to be around the same as TDK.

[dark_b]

Interesting. I believe it was Rocketman who originally told us about the scenes of JGL getting shot in the head and Fox dying, but he PM'd me the other day saying that currently there is a misinformation campaign going on and Nolan has been outdoing himself on that front.filming for 30 minutes on a blockbuster movie costs a lot money. i can not say if they filmed fake scenes or not. i dont have information. but since its so expensive to shoot i think that this did not happen.

you also think about it for a second how this sounds. spending 5000 dollars on tuesday filming Freeman killed is not for the whole world. you would only do this for internet fans. we are the only one who care about this info. the general public doesnt give a f.... if Freeman gets killed because they dont read those stories.

so IMO WB wouldnt do this.

[Nevincer]

I agree, it's just what Rocketman sent me. At the end of the day who knows if anything his source has claimed is legit? We're still waiting to see if his claim of the prologue pans out... and if it doesn't we can throw any of that out the window.

[dark_b]

its also nice that we have something to talk about. the misinformation campaign could be interesting. it will be nice in 2012 to see what was real and what not

[ThePhantasm]

TDKR shoot was shorter than TDK shoot. It'd say the runtime is going to be around the same as TDK.

That doesn't mean anything. Raiders of the Lost Ark was shot in 4.5 weeks. The Last Crusade took over 9 weeks. Their runtimes were only about 10 minutes apart.

[Sharkboy]

Huh. Interesting. Guess Nolan's love for IMAX will force him to accept his limits duting the cutting process... hope they're not trying to do as much as I think they are or the pace could feel rushed.

But does a film really need 3 hours? I find very few legit reasons why any film should be over 2 hours in this day and age (unless it's an adaptation of a huge sprawling book) 2 hrs 30 mins is all Chris should need to tell his batman story.

Probably the reason why BB felt so rushed (and some say TDK) because I think Nolan has that perfectionist final cut mindset when it comes to his films. He seems to be against deleted scenes, directors cut, extended cuts etc. He wants the theatrical version to be the final version, so he'll cram as much as possible into 2 hours 30 minutes.

That's why i'd be very very suprised if he split it into two films.

[arnold friend]

There is also the possibility of having an intermission to switch projectors. I remember when I went to see Braveheart in theaters, there was an intermission at the close of the second act. Not sure if it was to change projectors or not, but it seems likely. Didn't Titanic have an intermission as well? Anyway, if the projector's inability to hold 3 hrs worth of film is a factor in cutting Nolan's ultimate vision down, I won't be happy :csad:

Plus, an intermission at the close of the second act (maybe after the huge battle) would only add to the epic feel of the film. Plus, you could look at all of the 'holy s***, this movie is ****ing incredible!' looks on everyone's faces and talk about it while you take a piss break.

[Bane_Fanboy]

TDKR shoot was shorter than TDK shoot. It'd say the runtime is going to be around the same as TDK.

Remember he was more ahead of schedule than TDK!!

[yogamble]

Misinformation of the disinformation is really confusing. I wish the information that's disinformation would just be categorized as misinformation. By the way, the greys killed kennedy and alex jones orchestrated the whole thing.

[Nevincer]

There is also the possibility of having an intermission to switch projectors. I remember when I went to see Braveheart in theaters, there was an intermission at the close of the second act. Not sure if it was to change projectors or not, but it seems likely. Didn't Titanic have an intermission as well? Anyway, if the projector's inability to hold 3 hrs worth of film is a factor in cutting Nolan's ultimate vision down, I won't be happy :csad:

Plus, an intermission at the close of the second act (maybe after the huge battle) would only add to the epic feel of the film. Plus, you could look at all of the 'holy s***, this movie is ****ing incredible!' looks on everyone's faces and talk about it while you take a piss break.
:woot: Agreed on all accounts.

[dark_b]

if they could have a break to swicth projectors they wouldnt have problems with Watchmen IMO

[elgaz]

IMO yes... The rumor was that he died (either by Tatelia's hand or because of her) because he was protecting WE information when they wanted to get intel about the Tumblers and all that. However, we know that he was alive and well when Bruce was preparing The Bat for the City Hall scenes (based on the scene numbers) and we know that Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have the Tumblers by the time the City Hall scenes happened. So Tatelia/LoS/Bane already have that info and Fox is still alive.

I wonder if the Coleman Reese from Dark Knight (the lawyer dude who tried to blackmail Bruce Wayne for millions) has anything to do with Bane getting Tumblers.

The guy was slippery, obviously driven by a desire for cash, and if I recall correctly, he slapped a schematic of the Tumbler down in front of Lucius Fox and then took it with him when he left.

[kvz5]

Interesting. I believe it was Rocketman who originally told us about the scenes of JGL getting shot in the head and Fox dying, but he PM'd me the other day saying that currently there is a misinformation campaign going on and Nolan has been outdoing himself on that front.

Yes, I believe those 2 rumors came from his source as well. We'll see.. I really believe there's misinformation trickling down the WB chain.

[yogamble]

I wonder if the Coleman Reese from Dark Knight (the lawyer dude who tried to blackmail Bruce Wayne for millions) has anything to do with Bane getting Tumblers.

The guy was slippery, obviously driven by a desire for cash, and if I recall correctly, he slapped a schematic of the Tumbler down in front of Lucius Fox and then took it with him when he left.





A Coleman Reese sized elephant in the room. I've wondered what their going to do with that guy as well.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

You are right, fella. Sorry mods, just don't see how I'm a fanboy for wanting to run a guessing game..

I wonder how much % of IMAX we will get..I am really hoping for over the 50% mark. Mind may implode.
That's a good question. Do you or anyone else know approximately how much of TDK was actually filmed in IMAX? I want to say it was a fairly low percentage number. I thought I remember reading something, months ago, that gave the approximate percentage of this film that's being filmed in IMAX, and I want to say that it was a relatively high percentage compared to TDK.

[elgaz]

A Coleman Reese sized elephant in the room. I've wondered what their going to do with that guy as well.

If he is responsible for Bane acquiring/building Tumblers, it would certainly be more of an incentive for Batman to tighten his security and start doing more development himself in the Batcave and away from Wayne Enterprises. Having his technology used for criminal gain (and against him) would surely have some impact on him.

It also gives Nolan a good plot device to get rid of the loose end that is Reese. Bane buys the Tumbler specs off Reese, then upon collection, kills the guy in typical villain style. Somehow Bane learns from Reese (perhaps trying to do a deal for his life) during this time that Batman is Bruce Wayne.

[*Whiplash*]

It also gives Nolan a good plot device to get rid of the loose end that is Reese. Bane buys the Tumbler specs off Reese, then upon collection, kills the guy in typical villain style. Somehow Bane learns from Reese (perhaps trying to do a deal for his life) during this time that Batman is Bruce Wayne.

If Bane does learn that Bruce is Batman, I certainly don't want him to be told from someone.

[yogamble]

Reese is a snake. Think the coke head guy in die hard. Gives the terrorist information thinking he's smart and will be embraced and not killed by the terrorist only to be murdered typical vilian style.

[Nevincer]

That's not The Bat, that's just the Tumbler from the front.

[Picklen]

Yes, I believe those 2 rumors came from his source as well. We'll see.. I really believe there's misinformation trickling down the WB chain.

JGL getting shot in the face I'm fine with...but Freeman dying?

http://morganfreemanalmighty.webs.com/morgan-freeman-god.jpg

:awesome:

[JasonWood]

16 days from now this board will explode with joy...

[Picklen]

16 days from now this board will explode with joy...

Joy? Oh yes. Followed by PAIN!...then fear and chaos! AND THEN PAIN AGAIN!!!

[ThePhantasm]

Since we are talking about Coleman Reese while watching The Dark Knight yesterday I think he showed a blue print of The Bat a.k.a The Batplane.
Here is a screenshot: its right of the tumbler


That's just the Tumbler from the front with the wheel removed.

[JL Unlimited]

I wonder if the Coleman Reese from Dark Knight (the lawyer dude who tried to blackmail Bruce Wayne for millions) has anything to do with Bane getting Tumblers.

The guy was slippery, obviously driven by a desire for cash, and if I recall correctly, he slapped a schematic of the Tumbler down in front of Lucius Fox and then took it with him when he left.

He didn't take it with him. He handed it back to Fox. But it would be interesting if he did return.


http://htmlimg4.scribdassets.com/oewnc08w9871m/images/72-0d0cdbbeb9.jpg

[mackblack01]

Since we are talking about Coleman Reese while watching The Dark Knight yesterday I think he showed a blue print of The Bat a.k.a The Batplane.
Here is a screenshot: its right of the tumbler
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/mkarmageddon88/tdk_1261.jpg
This frontview makes me realize how much the Bat looks like the Tumbler.

:cwink:

[elgaz]

You're right actually, I have the film backed up on my PC and just watched that scene .... it doesn't show him sliding it back but he says something like "keep that" to Fox, implying that Fox holds onto the blueprints.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

You're right actually, I have the film backed up on my PC and just watched that scene .... it doesn't show him sliding it back but he says something like "keep that" to Fox, implying that Fox holds onto the blueprints.
You don't actually see the blueprint itself sliding it back to Fox, although, you see his arm make a motion of pushing something, and then you hear a sound that would indicate he just slid something across the desk.

[Gianakin_]

He also mutters "You... keep that".

[jonnywhc]

That's a good question. Do you or anyone else know approximately how much of TDK was actually filmed in IMAX? I want to say it was a fairly low percentage number. I thought I remember reading something, months ago, that gave the approximate percentage of this film that's being filmed in IMAX, and I want to say that it was a relatively high percentage compared to TDK.

I think around a total of 20 minutes of TDK wer in IMAX. With Oldman saying how he recently needed to do ADR cos the camera was so load..id say a higher %. I mean, it was more of a test with TDK, so im certain it'll be more now..they know what to deal with..BUT the big question is - did they film the more dialog heavy stuff with IMAX? I predict all action will = IMAX...how much after that will be very interesting.100% is, I'd guess, the end goal....I wonder how far they got!

[Zorak]

http://www.metro.co.uk/film/883266-the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-to-focus-on-bane-hijacking-a-plane

[mackblack01]

16 days from now this board will explode with joy...
I can't believe we are so close. I'm so happy. I hope I will survive until then. Until July 2012 at least, for the movie. Hum,no, until July 2013, for Supes.

[doobie]

Do you guys ever make plans for how you will survive till you see the movie? I remember at this point in 07, I was making a plan to watch an episode of BTAS a day, then The-Batman if they ran out, to hold me over till it came out.

[jonnywhc]

Do you guys ever make plans for how you will survive till you see the movie? I remember at this point in 07, I was making a plan to watch an episode of BTAS a day, then The-Batman if they ran out, to hold me over till it came out.

lol good question. From now til the prologue, I'm ok..I can keep myself busy. Problem arises after iv seen it til July 20th..the trailers will be a bonus but jeeesus its a long wait. Jan-July....play Arkham City again, slowly. Watch some BTAS. And try and fill my days with the gym and xbox...probably breaking down and dying by my birthday in June lol.

[doobie]

Maybe we can make some aim to know BB and TDK by heart, like how some muslims know the koran.

[ALP]

You don't actually see the blueprint itself sliding it back to Fox, although, you see his arm make a motion of pushing something, and then you hear a sound that would indicate he just slid something across the desk.

Perhaps...or perhaps Fox slid him a wad of cash and a doobie to tide him over.:o

Joy? Oh yes. Followed by PAIN!...then fear and chaos! AND THEN PAIN AGAIN!!!

http://i40.tinypic.com/33vmf83.gif

[jonnywhc]

My cinema will probably play BB/TDK right before a midnight showing of TDRK, so it'd possibly be nice to see it all one after the other..or maybe I don't wana see the first 2 in IMAX beforehand and take away from the impact of the new movie in that format and al just watch the blu rays before I go.

Iv got a plan..day before we all go to TDKR..watch Batman&Robin hahaha...it'll make it so much better!

[Dragon_316ca]

Oldman interview at Independent Film Awards (with video): http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1675072/dark-knight-rises-comissioner-gordon-gary-oldman.jhtml

[JStorm]

16 days from now this board will explode with joy...

Update a pal, will ya?

Are we just getting the prologue, or a trailer as well? How will this play out? I'm up-to-date on the prologue, understanding it's in front of MI:GP; but will there be a trailer in front of SH?

[MultipleJesuses]

http://www.metro.co.uk/film/883266-the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-to-focus-on-bane-hijacking-a-plane

A Saddam Hussein type dictator?
Surprisingly I'd be happy with that prologue. Sounds pretty epic.
But I'm not sure if I like Bane as a Che Guevarra (Spelling? My god)
type revolutionary.

[kvz5]

Dragon, I can't watch the video right now (blocked at work) but is that the same interview that Josh of MTV tweeted ? The one where Oldman said "world weary Gordon" and "reminiscent of BB"?

[Nave 'Torment']

Honestly, it's also a blatant homage to Nolan's affinity for the 60s show. Batman almost never worked at night on that show!

We get Romero's clown mask in TDK, Newmar's Catwoman in TDKR... Batman in broad daylight. Maybe he'll run down the middle of the street too!


Yeah, I think that works so well that we have a Batman who's older and closer to the way he was in his previous incarnations. If anything, Nolan's update of the 60s Batman just makes the transition all the more sweeter.

I think it comes from a true place from our childlike perception of that show: who realised it was a parody of Batman at 8? No one that's who.

I'm serious though. It's something I've been dying to see in a live-action Batman film.

First I hoped to see it in BB, with Batman being chased by the cops.
Then I hoped for a rooftop chase between Batman and Catwoman in this film - until I saw that Catwoman will be wearing heels.

:csad:

I know what you mean! I want orgasmic rooftop chases goddamnit!

Can anyone tell me why Bruce just decides to run after his encounter with falconer?

And does anyone have specific examples where Katie Holmes isn't convincing in BB?

He's putting his past to one side in order to create a more profound future for himself. I'd run too.

Do you guys ever make plans for how you will survive till you see the movie? I remember at this point in 07, I was making a plan to watch an episode of BTAS a day, then The-Batman if they ran out, to hold me over till it came out.

YES, at least I am this time. I'm going to reread the Bat-comics that I've had since forever. Every one of them! The thread with the "Which GN will you read" is all about that, check it out :)

Update a pal, will ya?

Are we just getting the prologue, or a trailer as well? How will this play out? I'm up-to-date on the prologue, understanding it's in front of MI:GP; but will there be a trailer in front of SH?

We're confirmed about the prologue and all-but guranteed about the trailer. Both are happening soon! :woot:

[Dragon_316ca]

Dragon, I can't watch the video right now (blocked at work) but is that the same interview that Josh of MTV tweeted ? The one where Oldman said "world weary Gordon" and "reminiscent of BB"?
Yes.

[KRIM]

I'm serious though. It's something I've been dying to see in a live-action Batman film.

First I hoped to see it in BB, with Batman being chased by the cops.
Then I hoped for a rooftop chase between Batman and Catwoman in this film - until I saw that Catwoman will be wearing heels.

:csad:
If not the heels, the fact that it's still the TDK suit should give a clear indication there won't be much shown in speed and agility. It may be the most "comfortable" batsuit to date, but it's also the heaviest. I'd be surprised if I see so much as a jog.

[kvz5]

Yes.

Thanks! :up:

This one from Indiewire:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/gary-oldman-confirms-smileys-people-as-source-for-tinker-sequel-says-hes-retiring-jim-gordon-after-the-dark-knight-rises


As Oldman prepares for a possible stretch as Smiley, he's putting one of his other longstanding characters to bed -- that of Commissioner Jim Gordon from Christopher Nolan's Batman series. "I've retired Jim Gordon," Oldman said. "['The Dark Knight Rises'] is my last."

[jmc]

It's coming to an end folks.