Who should be the villain in an Avengers sequel? (Poll)

[The Overlord]

Who should be the villain in an Avengers sequel?

[Ultra Lantern]

Thanos

[BigThor]

I say Ultron for Avengers 2, I think Thanos should be saved for Avengers 3.

[Duke]

Ultron is the next logical choice for an Avenger's sequel. He's a excellent adversary for them.

[BigThor]

Ultron is the next logical choice for an Avenger's sequel. He's a excellent adversary for them.

Hell yeah, that's who I voted for. :up:

[Hypestyle]

The epilogue to the Avengers should feature Parker Robbins finding a red cloak, perhaps a discarded object from Odin's throne room, stolen by Loki.. and so..

[dru-zod2501]

I could support Ultron, only if they introduce Hank Pym in some capacity beforehand. No Pym, no Ultron. If not I choose Kang

[BigThor]

I could support Ultron, only if they introduce Hank Pym in some capacity beforehand. No Pym, no Ultron. If not I choose Kang

Agreed, Ultron and the Pym's are "must haves" for Avengers 2 in my opinion. :word:

[Slushy]

Nobody, but Thanos!

[ripse]

Kang The Conqueror, Master Combat & Tactics in Time Travel...must be hard avengers villain

[KangConquers]

Kang!

I think a movie with Kang would give Pym a reason to create Ultron (think of Earth's Mightiest Heroes where he sent an army of Ultron's to help with the Kang invasion.) Ultron requires much more build up than Kang, and should get part of a film to be built upto before he's unleashed.

[BigThor]

I'd still rather see Ultron than Kang, because we already know Thanos is going to eventually be a main villain and Ultron is a nice contrast to him.

[Icarus]

If they introduce Hank pym/Ant man in the sequel then they should have him build Ultron

[CaptainStacy]

I could support Ultron, only if they introduce Hank Pym in some capacity beforehand. No Pym, no Ultron. If not I choose Kang

Same here!

[CaptainJustin97]

Either Kang the Conqueror, Thanos or Ultron.

[BigThor]

^^^ Agreed :up:

[Pink Ranger]

I'd like to see Hank and Janet, don't get me wrong, but technically we don't need them to introduce Ultron. There's enough irresponsible science going on between Stark, Banner and SHIELD to account for Ultron's creation.

[WhiteScorpio]

we already know Thanos is going to eventually be a main villain

We do? I don't.

I would prefer Kang for Avengers 2, Ultron for Avengers 3 and Thanos for Captain Marvel.

[BigThor]

We do? I don't.

I would prefer Kang for Avengers 2, Ultron for Avengers 3 and Thanos for Captain Marvel.

Yeah Loki's going to make a deal with him in The Avengers and he's going to be the one to supply Loki with an army.

[WhiteScorpio]

Yeah Loki's going to make a deal with him in The Avengers and he's going to be the one to supply Loki with an army.

I missed that. Can I have a link?

[marcvader]

I'd have Thanos for Avengers 2 if there is any hint of involvement in Avengers 1. I'd introduce the Pyms and the construction of Ultron in Avengers 2 and make him the villain in Avengers 3.

[BigThor]

You'd have Thanos come before Ultron? That doesn't seem like a "step down" to you?

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

i would like Ultron for avengers 2 with pyms, no pyms no ultron for me. maybe easter egg for thanos to keep his threat known. then thanos for avengers 3.

I wouldn't be upset with kang, i just think that the budget to make that movie look good would be ridiculous. who knows tho, by time they make the avengers sequel Marvel Studios might be making bank from all these products. Not that they aren't now, but they are still fairly new.

Plus instead of using their profit on that kind of movie budget, id rather see them fork out the bucks and try to buy back the rights to characters.

[BigThor]

i would like Ultron for avengers 2 with pyms, no pyms no ultron for me. maybe easter egg for thanos to keep his threat known. then thanos for avengers 3.

I agree with this route :up:

I wouldn't be upset with kang, i just think that the budget to make that movie look good would be ridiculous. who knows tho, by time they make the avengers sequel Marvel Studios might be making bank from all these products. Not that they aren't now, but they are still fairly new.

Plus instead of using their profit on that kind of movie budget, id rather see them fork out the bucks and try to buy back the rights to characters.

I don't see why Kang being the villain would make the budget higher than Thanos being the villain, I mean Thanos is one of the biggest threats in the MU.

[marcvader]

You'd have Thanos come before Ultron? That doesn't seem like a "step down" to you?

Not necessarily. The thing is I want the Pyms set up prior to Ultron. I also think Ultron taking over all of the worlds computer systems and elecronics giving him access to the worlds defenses and infrastructure is huge therefor on par with Thanos. So to answer your question, I don't feel he's a step down. I would also love to see Kang too but I'd leave him for a forth installment.

[Pink Ranger]

I don't see why Kang being the villain would make the budget higher than Thanos being the villain, I mean Thanos is one of the biggest threats in the MU.

One of the difficulties of Kang is that his powers and his MO are somewhat more abstract, since they involve time travel. Whereas Thanos can be, if needed, simplified into an invading alien warlord.

[BigThor]

Not necessarily. The thing is I want the Pyms set up prior to Ultron. I also think Ultron taking over all of the worlds computer systems and elecronics giving him access to the worlds defenses and infrastructure is huge therefor on par with Thanos. So to answer your question, I don't feel he's a step down. I would also love to see Kang too but I'd leave him for a forth installment.

I see what you're saying, but personally I think just any non cosmic villain is a "step down" from Thanos.

[Steampunk Ghost]

now, see, i think that the Red Skull would make a better villain for a second Avengers movie. before you laugh, think about it. in Thor, when Loki falls into the starry abyss, he survives and comes back. i dont think that the Skull is dead at all. he's just trapped in the abyss, like Loki was, and will eventually return. he'd make a great villain for the Avengers, though. at this point in time, he'd be a global terrorist, which fits him pretty well. in a way, he was a terrorist in The First Avenger. he wasnt loyal to any single nation, but only to his own ambitions. does this make sense to you all?? or am i talking out my ass...??

[BigThor]

One of the difficulties of Kang is that his powers and his MO are somewhat more abstract, since they involve time travel. Whereas Thanos can be, if needed, simplified into an invading alien warlord.

That's true but Thanos isn't just any alien invader, he's one of the biggest threats in the Marvel Universe and he's probably going to have the Infinity Gauntlet with some if not all of the Infinity Gems.

[Deathlok]

Ultron should be the villain in the sequel. We should also have the Vision introduced as a team member.

[BigThor]

Ultron should be the villain in the sequel. We should also have the Vision introduced as a team member.

I agree 100% :woot:

[MarvelKnight]

Ultron is the obvious choice, but if they can't get Pym routed in some form to present day then I agree he should not be used.

I think if not Ultron, maybe the Wrecking Crew?

Thanos has to be saved for number 3 I believe. But I also think if they decide to do more than 3 Avengers movies he should be saved as the ultimate test for them.

[cherokeesam]

Ultron is the obvious choice, but if they can't get Pym routed in some form to present day then I agree he should not be used.

I think if not Ultron, maybe the Wrecking Crew?

Thanos has to be saved for number 3 I believe. But I also think if they decide to do more than 3 Avengers movies he should be saved as the ultimate test for them.


The Wrecking Crew are too small a threat for The Avengers. At best, they're cannon fodder henchies for a Thor sequel.

Needs to be a global/universal threat --- Thanos, Kang, Ultron, HYDRA/AIM, Kree-Skrull, MOE, etc.

[BigThor]

^ Yeah, if they can't do Ultron properly I think the Masters of Evil and AIM working together could pose a major global threat in Avengers 2.

[Silvermoth]

Civil War would be interesting.

[Lady Marion]

I prefer Ultron in the next movie, Thanos in the third one.

Kang the Conqueror is my second choice.

[BigThor]

I prefer Ultron in the next movie, Thanos in the third one.

Kang the Conqueror is my second choice.

Those are my sentiments EXACTLY. :woot:

[SpideyFan866]

I want Thanos for the 2nd film and Kang for the 3rd.

[SpideyFan866]

Civil War would be interesting.

Agreed but that could only work if all the studios with Marvel properties could come to an agreement.

That storyline was birthed right out of the X-Men's long going registration storyline.

Also, Spidey has a significant part in it.

[marcvader]

Civil War would be interesting.
It could be but I'm in no rush to see it. First there are too many things that would need to happen for that story to even be possible and second there are too many other stories that are possible to make that I'd rather see.

[BigThor]

It could be but I'm in no rush to see it. First there are too many things that would need to happen for that story to even be possible and second there are too many other stories that are possible to make that I'd rather see.

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[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

I don't see why Kang being the villain would make the budget higher than Thanos being the villain, I mean Thanos is one of the biggest threats in the MU.

Sry i didn't reply back, i forgot all about that post. But you're probably right, i didn't really think that over very well.:doh: I guess i just assumed having Kang you would need all the cgi effects with his powers and what not. Plus if we saw Kang i would want it to be an invasion kind of like the EMH series.

I have changed my mind on Kang recently and would rather not have him. IMO I think it might be a little redundant after this invasion in the first movie.

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

Sticking with Ultron for the 2nd becuase i want hank, jan, and vision in the MCU as soon as possible. Thanos for the 3rd.

[Guerrilla]

I personally think that we will be getting more than 3 avengers movies. Or, it has the potential at least to have more than 3. Rotating roster, intertwining story arcs, villains like thanos and kang that could and should span multiple movies. If any superhero franchise was positioned for a 6 movie run, its the avengers. But if we get 3 then id choose ultron and kang.

[Silvermoth]

Agreed but that could only work if all the studios with Marvel properties could come to an agreement.

That storyline was birthed right out of the X-Men's long going registration storyline.

Also, Spidey has a significant part in it.
It wouldn't neccessarily have to be a direct adaption. They could just use the characters they own which would be a cool way of getting in some cameos of characters who may not get a chance in other media.

[BigThor]

I personally think that we will be getting more than 3 avengers movies. Or, it has the potential at least to have more than 3. Rotating roster, intertwining story arcs, villains like thanos and kang that could and should span multiple movies. If any superhero franchise was positioned for a 6 movie run, its the avengers. But if we get 3 then id choose ultron and kang.

Whenever two of the "Big Three" leave the the team (probably Thor and Iron Man), I'm going to become alot less interested in The Avengers.

[roach]

Ultron or masters of evil for 2
Thanos or korvac for 3

[Guerrilla]

Whenever two of the "Big Three" leave the the team (probably Thor and Iron Man), I'm going to become alot less interested in The Avengers.
I hear ya, but i'd still follow and go see an avengers movie #6 if it was carefully crafted with good reasons for heroes like ironman and thor to be absent and other heroes to fill their shoes. Black panther, the pyms, vision...it could work out and keep me more than a bit interested. Just saying...there is a lot of potential.

[MarvelKnight]

I'd rather see Avengers Vs. X-men (which will never happen) than Civil War. Hell, just about every hero is an avenger nowadays anyway so you'll basically get civil war 2 with just those 2 teams.

[The Morningstar]

No heroes vs heroes gimmicks please. Civil War was horrible and Avengers vs X-Men will also be horrible.

Annihilation is the way forward. That or Ultron Unlimited.

[Lord]

I liked Civil War, but for something like that to happen there should be more heroes, and heroes whose identities are not known to the public yet. By the way, i heard Anihilation being mentioned a lot of times, is it that good? What was the main story about?

[The Morningstar]

It's probably the best comic book event Marvel has ever done.

Main gist of it is, Annihilus, who is Lord of the Negative Zone brings his army to the 616 universe to conquer it. Destroying the entire Nova Corps as his opening attack. He wants to capture Galactus and his Heralds so he can find a way to use the power cosmic. Thanos aligns himself with Annihilus and sets about aiding him in finding a way to use the power cosmic.

Rich Ryder, last Nova alive, takes on the entire power of the Nova Force, basically making him Thor level in terms of power, maybe above it.

To cut a long story short, it's just epic. You've got Silver Surfer fighting Annihilus' top soldiers in battles that destroy planets and open up black holes. You've got Galactus getting captured (yes that's right) and turned into what basically amounts to a universe destroying bomb. Annihilus basically eats Quasar. You've got the Kree and the Skrulls fighting against Annihilus invasion forces (the entire Skrull galaxy gets wiped out, which is why they began their "Secret Invasion"). You've got Drax the Destroyer going all Rambo on literally an entire army of space bugs.

Ah man you should just read it. Everyone who is a fan of superhero comics should read it.

[roach]

depends on where the Annihilus rights are

[The Morningstar]

Yea, it's probably impossible to do without the F4 rights back.

[BigThor]

I hear ya, but i'd still follow and go see an avengers movie #6 if it was carefully crafted with good reasons for heroes like ironman and thor to be absent and other heroes to fill their shoes. Black panther, the pyms, vision...it could work out and keep me more than a bit interested. Just saying...there is a lot of potential.

Yeah it is, but that would be like having a Justice League movie without Batman and Green Lantern meaning it could work but it just wouldn't feel right.

[MarvelKnight]

Well, I'd only want that many movies if they are going to continue making quality, the second they feel like they don't have to live up to what they've previously done they should stop.

That being said, I don't think that'd be the case, by the time a 6th movie rolls around their universe would be so firmly established I'd have no problem if they wanted to introduce Alternates to the original team. Whether they don't have them for that movie, or they "retire" -IM for example- from active avenging (still with his solo adventures still i'd hope) I think it could be done.

It's all about execution. I'm sure it could be done in a satisfactory way if they wanted to go that route.

[BigThor]

Well, I'd only want that many movies if they are going to continue making quality, the second they feel like they don't have to live up to what they've previously done they should stop.

That being said, I don't think that'd be the case, by the time a 6th movie rolls around their universe would be so firmly established I'd have no problem if they wanted to introduce Alternates to the original team. Whether they don't have them for that movie, or they "retire" -IM for example- from active avenging (still with his solo adventures still i'd hope) I think it could be done.

It's all about execution. I'm sure it could be done in a satisfactory way if they wanted to go that route.

I wouldn't have a problem with it, I just wouldn't see those films because Iron Man and Thor are a HUGE part of the reason I'm so excited for The Avengers in the first place.

It's not that I would have anything against that decision, it just would be taking away a big part of the reason I'm drawn to these film. Now that I think about it I still might see them though, if the movies look interesting enough.

[The Morningstar]

Maybe in later movies or perhaps IM3 Stark becomes Director of SHIELD? Could be a good way to keep him involved in a less physical role.

[kedrell]

Well since the 3 top choices are Kang, Ultron and Thanos and TA1 is about an invasion from space and/or the 9 Realms/Asgardian dimension we probably don't want more alien invasion stuff for TA2. Thanos is obvious for a big universal threat in TA3 so that just leaves what to do with Kang and Ultron. I see both as significantly different from Loki and his plot in TA1. We've seen invasion stuff before but I don't think we've really ever seen much of the idea about an invasion not from other worlds but from our own future. That's what makes Kang different for starters. Then Ultron, well we've seen machines vs. man before but not with superheroes. So that's his way in, as it were. But I think there may possibly be a way to have them both in TA2 and have it work out. Maybe Kang travels back in time because of something Ultron does that alters history unnaturally or whatever. I think you'd pretty much still need an object of power like the Cosmic Cube to be able to unnaturally alter history so as to get Kang's attention. Perhaps they could have that set up somewhere within TA1(since the Cube is definitely in that movie). I dunno, I'm rambling.

[The Morningstar]

Interesting ideas. I like the idea of Kang featuring because of something that may have occurred in Avengers that distorts the time-line, so Kang comes back in time to amend it, or perhaps take advantage of it.

[MarvelKnight]

I like the idea of Kang featuring because of something that may have occurred in Avengers that distorts the time-line, so Kang comes back in time to amend it, or perhaps take advantage of it.

Maybe the Cosmic Cube'll get damaged and throw something off. Who should play Kang if he is tabbed as the big bad for TA2?

[BigThor]

I think Ultron and Kang are too important to share a film with each other, I think it should be one or the other and I'm leaning towards Ultron for A2.

[sauronthegreat]

My personal scenario would be:

Avengers 2 - Kang the Conqueror

Avengers 3 - Ultron

Avengers 4 - Thanos

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

My personal scenario would be:

Avengers 2 - Kang the Conqueror

Avengers 3 - Ultron

Avengers 4 - Thanos

One could only dream my friend! i would love to see all three of those villains also, but i have my doubts for how long this whole comic book movie era will last and if we will ever get an avengers 4. I hoe you're right, it would make my one happy fan.

[roach]

My personal scenario would be:

Avengers 2 - Kang the Conqueror

Avengers 3 - Ultron

Avengers 4 - Thanos

I like your choices. I would put Ultron in 2 and Kang on 3....just seems an indestructible death robot seems a step down from an inter dimensional world conqueror

[BigThor]

I like your choices. I would put Ultron in 2 and Kang on 3....just seems an indestructible death robot seems a step down from an inter dimensional world conqueror

I agree, I'd put Ultron as the villain in number two but other than that I thought his list was pretty great.

[Captain Marvel]

The epilogue to the Avengers should feature Parker Robbins finding a red cloak, perhaps a discarded object from Odin's throne room, stolen by Loki.. and so..

Ugh, the Hood's a terrible villain in the comics. He'd be even worse as a movie villain.

Nobody, but Thanos!

Yeah, but then who'd be the villain in Avengers 3? There's literally no topping him.

Yeah Loki's going to make a deal with him in The Avengers and he's going to be the one to supply Loki with an army.

Wow, I seriously hope you're just theorizing and not basing that off any legitimate sources, because the idea of Thanos "lending" an army to Loki or anyone else is just silly.

Not necessarily. The thing is I want the Pyms set up prior to Ultron. I also think Ultron taking over all of the worlds computer systems and elecronics giving him access to the worlds defenses and infrastructure is huge therefor on par with Thanos. So to answer your question, I don't feel he's a step down. I would also love to see Kang too but I'd leave him for a forth installment.

...you think Ultron taking over the worlds computer systems is on par with Thanos? Thanos became omnipotent more than once. He once murdered half the population of the entire universe. He recently murdered ALL life in another universe. In comparison to that, taking over the computer systems on Earth is so trivial it's not even worth considering.

They're not on par at all.

One of the difficulties of Kang is that his powers and his MO are somewhat more abstract, since they involve time travel. Whereas Thanos can be, if needed, simplified into an invading alien warlord.

Ugh, that'd be terrible. If you're just going to have an alien warlord, then there's no reason to waste Thanos on something so lame. Use Ronan, the Supreme Intelligence, Gladiator, Deathbird, Captain Atlas, the Super Skrull, the Power Skrull, Annihilus, Blastaar, or any number of idiots. Thanos is better than that.

[BigThor]

Ugh, the Hood's a terrible villain in the comics. He'd be even worse as a movie villain.



Yeah, but then who'd be the villain in Avengers 3? There's literally no topping him.

That's what I've been saying, so why not have Ultron as the main villain in Avengers 2 with Thanos being the villain in Avengers 3.


Wow, I seriously hope you're just theorizing and not basing that off any legitimate sources, because the idea of Thanos "lending" an army to Loki or anyone else is just silly.

Well I'm not it's been darn near confirmed and it's not that silly considering Loki know's the whereabouts to something Thanos is interested in (Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's chambers).

[Captain Marvel]

That's what I've been saying, so why not have Ultron as the main villain in Avengers 2 with Thanos being the villain in Avengers 3.

Agreed. Once you have Thanos there's nowhere you can go but down, and down is not a direction you want to go in when heading into the final chapter of a trilogy.

Well I'm not it's been darn near confirmed and it's not that silly considering Loki know's the whereabouts to something Thanos is interested in (Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's chambers).

Confirmed how and from where? Because every report I've heard has said that there's no mention of Thanos anywhere in the movie, nor does he make an appearance. Sure, he could be in an after-credits scene, but where Loki got his army is a pretty major plot point which would more than likely be explained in the body of the film itself instead of being left to a 30 second after the credits scene.

Moreover, if Thanos wanted the Cosmic Cube, he'd go get it himself. He certainly wouldn't trust Loki of all people to get it for him (And yeah, while he might want the Infinity Gems more, that doesn't mean that the Cosmic Cube's useless. He could absolutely use it to make it easier to get his hands on the gems).

[Lord]

I think it should be:

Avengers 2: Ultron (if Edgar Wright's Ant-Man is made before)
Avengers 3: Thanos

After that it's probable that many of the main characters will be recast but that the MCU will continue, but with just different actors, so during that time they can try different things like time travel with Kang, heroes vs heroes like Civil War, or even galactic conflicts like anihilation and secret invasion.

During that time it's also possible that Marvel Studios will have the rights to other heroes, in wich case Phase IV may be the perfect time to introduce them along with reintroducing the old characters.

[marcvader]

...you think Ultron taking over the worlds computer systems is on par with Thanos? Thanos became omnipotent more than once. He once murdered half the population of the entire universe. He recently murdered ALL life in another universe. In comparison to that, taking over the computer systems on Earth is so trivial it's not even worth considering.

They're not on par at all.




On a galactic level Thanos is head and tails above Ultron but with respects to Earth they both destroy you. One does it from the inside in a methodical fashion which lends itself to a more interesting and tangible danger the other goes ok your planet is done with the flick of his finger. The end result in both cases is destruction but one has much more backstory and impact when you consider where the threat originated from.

[BigThor]

Confirmed how and from where? Because every report I've heard has said that there's no mention of Thanos anywhere in the movie, nor does he make an appearance. Sure, he could be in an after-credits scene, but where Loki got his army is a pretty major plot point which would more than likely be explained in the body of the film itself instead of being left to a 30 second after the credits scene.

I don't remember it's been awhile but I remember it being confirmed that Loki is going to get his army from Thanos as part of a deal, it hasn't been said whether they'll show that in scene in the film or simply have it revealed in the dialogue.

I think it should be:

Avengers 2: Ultron (if Edgar Wright's Ant-Man is made before)
Avengers 3: Thanos

Bingo :up:

This is my ideal list even though I do still want to see Kang battle against the current Avengers actors, so I'm not sure which one I'd rather see in Avengers 3 out of Kang and Thanos.

I definately want to see Ultron as the main villain Avengers 2 though, there's no doubt in my mind about that whatsoever.

[Dark Raven]

Ultron is my choice for the sequel. He's the villain I associate most with the Avengers.

Then Kang or Thanos for Avengers 3.

And if anyone thinks that Thanos is the ultimate enemy, then think about Korvac. The Avengers haven't been that close to death against Thanos before. With Korvac, he managed to slaughter almost all of the combined might of the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy. Korvac's power was meant to make even the celestial beings in the universe quake with fear. Korvac is almost on par with the Beyonder.

But I wouldn't really want Korvac unless you also get the Guardians of the Galaxy and set everything up properly. It's almost far too big a story to handle in a movie.

[BigThor]

Ultron is my choice for the sequel. He's the villain I associate most with the Avengers.

Then Kang or Thanos for Avengers 3.

I agree 100% with this route, plus Ultron is the villain I associate the most with the Avengers as well because of his ties with Pym.

He's the most "must have" villain to appear in The Avengers franchise because he's almost exclusively an Avengers villains while the other are more universal threats.

[Captain Marvel]

Ultron is my choice for the sequel. He's the villain I associate most with the Avengers.

Then Kang or Thanos for Avengers 3.

Agreed. Ultron should definitely be the villain in Avengers 2 (and hopefully he'll be set up in an Ant-Man movie beforehand). It'd be great if Ultron were to try to pull a Skynet and try to create an army of AI's (which'll include The Vision) to take over the world. Kang would also be a great villain to use for Avengers 3 if Thanos is out of the question for whatever reason. He makes for a nice escalation from the threat which Ultron represents.

And if anyone thinks that Thanos is the ultimate enemy, then think about Korvac. The Avengers haven't been that close to death against Thanos before. With Korvac, he managed to slaughter almost all of the combined might of the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy. Korvac's power was meant to make even the celestial beings in the universe quake with fear. Korvac is almost on par with the Beyonder.

Well, if we're measuring the size of Thanos's penis versus that of Korvac's penis, then I accept the challenge, because Thanos has a MUCH bigger penis! :oldrazz: In The Infinity Gauntlet Thanos had already killed the majority of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and numerous other heroes before they even knew what was going on, along with half the universe. When they turned up to attack him, he froze them all and was about to instantly kill them when Mephisto talked him out of it and convinced him that watching him fight them would be a turn on for Death, so Thanos purposefully reduced his power to 1/6th its level to fight them, and he not only beat them, he killed pretty much all of them. With the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos's power wasn't almost on par with the Beyonder... he surpassed the Beyonder. He trounced Galactus, the Celestials, the Stranger, the Inbetweener, Lord Order and Master Chaos, Eon, Death, Mephisto, Mistress Love and Sire Hate, and whoever else I'm forgetting about simultaneously, and then he took on Eternity, the personification of the universe, and won, becoming the personification of the universe himself.

In comparison to Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Korvac's a piker.

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. Ultron should definitely be the villain in Avengers 2 (and hopefully he'll be set up in an Ant-Man movie beforehand). It'd be great if Ultron were to try to pull a Skynet and try to create an army of AI's (which'll include The Vision) to take over the world. Kang would also be a great villain to use for Avengers 3 if Thanos is out of the question for whatever reason. He makes for a nice escalation from the threat which Ultron represents.



Well, if we're measuring the size of Thanos's penis versus that of Korvac's penis, then I accept the challenge, because Thanos has a MUCH bigger penis! :oldrazz: In The Infinity Gauntlet Thanos had already killed the majority of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and numerous other heroes before they even knew what was going on, along with half the universe. When they turned up to attack him, he froze them all and was about to instantly kill them when Mephisto talked him out of it and convinced him that watching him fight them would be a turn on for Death, so Thanos purposefully reduced his power to 1/6th its level to fight them, and he not only beat them, he killed pretty much all of them. With the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos's power wasn't almost on par with the Beyonder... he surpassed the Beyonder. He trounced Galactus, the Celestials, the Stranger, the Inbetweener, Lord Order and Master Chaos, Eon, Death, Mephisto, Mistress Love and Sire Hate, and whoever else I'm forgetting about simultaneously, and then he took on Eternity, the personification of the universe, and won, becoming the personification of the universe himself.

In comparison to Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Korvac's a piker.

I was never comparing any body parts. And if you're going to talk about Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, that's like comparing one man's prowess on Viagra to one who's not. The Infinity Gauntlet will pretty much make anyone much more powerful.

[Captain Marvel]

Given that we've seen an Infinity Gauntlet prop, and that's the storyline which Thanos is compared to the most, it's not unreasonable to talk about Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. The guys MO is that he goes after infinite power, and he's succeeded at that quest more than once. But even when he wasn't omnipotent, though, he was still a universal threat. After all, Death gave him the job of killing half the universe's population BEFORE he decided to go after the Infinity Gems, and had no clue that he would've ever gained that much power, so clearly she thought he could do the job. And recently he did kill off all life in the Cancerverse (A universe where Captain Marvel survived his cancer by making a deal with Lovecraftian horrors).

But even without omnipotent power, on his own Thanos or horrendously power. This is a guy who took on a weakened Galactus alone. The combined might of Earth's heroes in the Secret Wars weren't able to do that. There's a great scene in The Infinity War where he's teamed up with the Infinity Watch and they get ambushed by a veritable army of Earth's superheroes. I think about 1/3rd of all Earth's heroes were present. So it was Thanos, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Pip the Troll, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon, and Thanos's chair (Yeah, his chair alone is a major threat) versus a large chunk of Earth's heroes. The fight ended with about nine heroes still left standing versus Thanos, Adam Warlock, and Drax the Destroyer.

Then there was the story when he pursued the Infinity Gems. He went after the Elder called Champion. This is a guy who's stronger and tougher than the Hulk, and he was made moreso powerful by the Power Gem. Thanos took this guy on with no gems and beat him. Not in a straight fist fight, of course, but he beat him just the same through the use of his own natural powers, his technology, and his intelligence, and got his hands on the Power Gem in the process.

So yeah, I don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that Thanos is probably the best villain that Marvel has available to them, and if he's handled right, then he'd make for the perfect capstone to any film trilogy.

[BigThor]

So which would you guys rather see as the villain in Avengers 3, Kang or Thanos?

[MarvelKnight]

So which would you guys rather see as the villain in Avengers 3, Kang or Thanos?



Thanos.

[Franklin Richards]

Ultron


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[roach]

Thanos

[Franklin Richards]

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[BigThor]

Ultron


:doom: :doom: :doom:

It would make more sense for Ultron to be the villain in Avengers 2 not 3.

[cherokeesam]

It would make more sense for Ultron to be the villain in Avengers 2 not 3.


Depends on how soon Hank Pym gets introduced.
I do *not* want to see them turn Ultron or Vision over to anybody else but Hank Pym, so I don't want to see Ultron show up until after Pym joins the team.

[Captain Marvel]

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

I guess you're going to be disappointed.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/infinity-gauntlet.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/SDCC_Infinity_Gauntlet.jpg

http://www.10mfh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/thor-infinity-gauntlet.jpg

And my guess is that when Thanos does make his inevitable appearance in an Avengers movie, he won't be played by Julian McMahon, either.

[BigThor]

Depends on how soon Hank Pym gets introduced.
I do *not* want to see them turn Ultron or Vision over to anybody else but Hank Pym, so I don't want to see Ultron show up until after Pym joins the team.

Or Ultron could be Hank Pym's motivation for joining The Avengers because he feels responsible for Ultron's actions.

[cherokeesam]

Or Ultron could be Hank Pym's motivation for joining The Avengers because he feels responsible for Ultron's actions.


Very good point.

Although you could also say that SHIELD actively recruits him, even if he's not officially become (Gi)Ant-Man yet. We know that Pym was originally referenced in Thor as an important colleague of Selvig, so he's probably already well-known as a genius scientist who could add significantly to the Avengers' "brain trust" of Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Erik Selvig.

[Chris B]

I think it would have to be either Kang or Ultron, personally. I'd lean towards using Kang since I'm not sure it work to use Ultron while introducing Hank Pym in the same movie.

[BigThor]

Very good point.

Although you could also say that SHIELD actively recruits him, even if he's not officially become (Gi)Ant-Man yet. We know that Pym was originally referenced in Thor as an important colleague of Selvig, so he's probably already well-known as a genius scientist who could add significantly to the Avengers' "brain trust" of Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Erik Selvig.

Yeah I could see that working as well, there's a multitude of ways to have Hank Pym and Ultron included in Avengers 2 if Marve Studios really wanted to.

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, maybe he builds Ultron first for the Avengers, Ultron goes nuts, and Pym feels personally responsible and makes himself a suit so that he can stop Ultron. Is there any reason Hank has to be Ant-Man before he builds Ultron? He could always become Ant-Man afterwards.

[MarvelKnight]

I agree Captain Marvel. Ultron can be Pym's reason for becoming Ant-Man. Don't see why it could not be a viable option. At the very least, he can be seen in Avengers, even if it is a bit part. Some Pym is better than no Pym, imo.

[BigThor]

Yeah, maybe he builds Ultron first for the Avengers, Ultron goes nuts, and Pym feels personally responsible and makes himself a suit so that he can stop Ultron. Is there any reason Hank has to be Ant-Man before he builds Ultron? He could always become Ant-Man afterwards.

I agree Captain Marvel. Ultron can be Pym's reason for becoming Ant-Man. Don't see why it could not be a viable option. At the very least, he can be seen in Avengers, even if it is a bit part. Some Pym is better than no Pym, imo.

Yep exactly, so come on Marvel Studios give us some awesome Ultron action in Avengers 2. :up:

[DrCosmic]

I'm not sure that comic book power levels are all that relevant. There is no Galactus in the MCU, and you can see on the gauntlet, all the gems are in one place, so it's not like there's some separate storyline for the time gem or the power gem or whatever. Also, omnipotent villains in movies are cheesy because they have to do ridiculously stupid things to lose. Expect to see Thanos toned down so that a plausible (in terms of an intergalactic conqueror being smarter than an average child) story can be told.

I still don't quite see Ultron. Especially since Edgar Wright's Ant Man is going to be set in the 60s, if it even comes out before Avengers 2. Maybe Pym can have invented Ultron, but he won't be on the team. Would people still want Ultron if the Pyms aren't in the movie?

Kang doesn't have any such impediments. :) If anything, he can actually bring 60s Pym into the present day on a temporary or permanent basis. Ultron can't transport the Pyms through time to be in the Avengers movie.

[The Morningstar]

I liked Thanos when he was called Darkseid.


Save him for a Justice League movie.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Darkseid, outside of the toons, was a joke since the Crisis up until only the last couple of years. He got defeated by a some steps for ****s sake! :D

Thanos was originally a rip but he's been busier and better in the last couple of decades.

Anyway... I think Kang could be a cool villain, if they don't get Pym involved and therefore, Ultron.

[marcvader]

I would prefer a well developed Hank Pym before Ultron so it would make the his creation that more meaningful and impactful. How does this happen if Wright makes his movie in the 60's? Don't know, but the Kang idea is kind of cool but would seem kind of contrived as well.

[The Morningstar]

Well, Kang is a time traveller, is that what you'd find contrived? I think it could be cool if done well. He comes back because of a disturbance in the time line originating from the Avengers one.

[BigThor]

Edgar Wright's supposedly setting Ant Man in the 60s has been pissing me off to no end, doesn't he understand that just about every Avengers fan wants to see Hank & Jan as members at some point in this franchise?

Not only that, but Ultron is one of the best Avengers villains ever and his twisted father-son relationship with Hank is an important arch for Pyms as well. The Pyms would be far more useful in modern times where they can actually take part in the current events of the MCU than be isolated in the 60s.

[marcvader]

Well, Kang is a time traveller, is that what you'd find contrived? I think it could be cool if done well. He comes back because of a disturbance in the time line originating from the Avengers one.

No, tying Pym to Kang to get him into the present day and Avengers.

[BigThor]

No, tying Pym to Kang to get him into the present day and Avengers.

I agree, that would definately seem a bit contrived.

[cherokeesam]

Edgar Wright's supposedly setting Ant Man in the 60s has been pissing me off to no end, doesn't he understand that just about every Avengers fan wants to see Hank & Jan as members at some point in this franchise?

Not only that, but Ultron is one of the best Avengers villains ever and his twisted father-son relationship with Hank is an important arch for Pyms as well. The Pyms would be far more useful in modern times where they can actually take part in the current events of the MCU than be isolated in the 60s.


The original Joe Cornish script was set in the 60s *and* the modern world, though --- with Pym being the "original" Ant-Man of the 60s, but the bulk of the movie was to focus on him mentoring Scott Lang as his successor in modern times.

But all of that was with the first draft, years ago, and there's been tons of re-writes since then; the current version was just turned in to Marvel last fall, and nobody knows what (or who) it's going to be about. I'd be willing to bet that Marvel has convinced Wright/Cornish to focus on Pym, though, and drop the whole 1960s backstory angle.

[BigThor]

The original Joe Cornish script was set in the 60s *and* the modern world, though --- with Pym being the "original" Ant-Man of the 60s, but the bulk of the movie was to focus on him mentoring Scott Lang as his successor in modern times.

But all of that was with the first draft, years ago, and there's been tons of re-writes since then; the current version was just turned in to Marvel last fall, and nobody knows what (or who) it's going to be about. I'd be willing to bet that Marvel has convinced Wright/Cornish to focus on Pym, though, and drop the whole 1960s backstory angle.

Yeah I remember hearing about it years ago but it's gets brought up around here like it happened yesterday, plus I've never been a fan of Lang so there's another reason why I hope the actual film ends up significantly different.

However I do think Edgar Wright is a director capable of doing Ant Man justice, it's just his initial 1960s, "Scott Lang prepping" vision that I'm not too keen on seeing come to fruition.

[cherokeesam]

Yeah I remember hearing about it years ago but it's gets brought up around here like it happened yesterday, plus I've never been a fan of Lang so there's another reason why I hope the actual film ends up significantly different.

However I do think Edgar Wright is a director capable of doing Ant Man justice, it's just his initial 1960s, "Scott Lang prepping" vision that I'm not too keen on seeing come to fruition.


Yeah, I'm not a fan of that approach, either. Especially if it sidelines Hank and keeps him out of the Avengers.

Still, it might make for a fresh approach if they had a 60-something superhero on the team, and had one of our all-time great actors (fill in the blank, I'm not making any particular suggestion here) playing the role. And I've heard more than a few people on these forums wanting to see the May-December romance for Hank and Janet; if you make Janet in her 20s or 30s, that would *definitely* be May-December. Creepy May-December, even.

Eh. Don't know that I'd want to see any of that, but it *definitely* would be unique to the genre.

[marcvader]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that approach, either. Especially if it sidelines Hank and keeps him out of the Avengers.

Still, it might make for a fresh approach if they had a 60-something superhero on the team, and had one of our all-time great actors (fill in the blank, I'm not making any particular suggestion here) playing the role. And I've heard more than a few people on these forums wanting to see the May-December romance for Hank and Janet; if you make Janet in her 20s or 30s, that would *definitely* be May-December. Creepy May-December, even.

Eh. Don't know that I'd want to see any of that, but it *definitely* would be unique to the genre.

I wouldn't be too opposed to an older Pym but 60-something is pushing it. I'd be ok with a Kinnear type for Hank.

[The Morningstar]

No, tying Pym to Kang to get him into the present day and Avengers.

Oh, I didn't know you was talking about Pym, I was just talking about Kang in general.

[Dark Raven]

The original Joe Cornish script was set in the 60s *and* the modern world, though --- with Pym being the "original" Ant-Man of the 60s, but the bulk of the movie was to focus on him mentoring Scott Lang as his successor in modern times.

But all of that was with the first draft, years ago, and there's been tons of re-writes since then; the current version was just turned in to Marvel last fall, and nobody knows what (or who) it's going to be about. I'd be willing to bet that Marvel has convinced Wright/Cornish to focus on Pym, though, and drop the whole 1960s backstory angle.

Yeah, I got the impression that it was like the Mask of Zorro, with Anthony Hopkins passing on the Zorro baton to his successor, Antonio Banderas. I don't want to really see that here, to be honest. I don't think Lang really adds anything except for being a distraction.

A story focusing on Pym and Jan would be much more interesting. I would say only bring in Scott Lang if they wanted to later do a sequel but didn't want to continue with Pym (although that could end up like Highlander IV).

[BigThor]

I wouldn't be too opposed to an older Pym but 60-something is pushing it. I'd be ok with a Kinnear type for Hank.

Yeah I'd like for Hank to be somewhere between 35 and 45 years old, with Jane being about 10 years younger than him.

Yeah, I got the impression that it was like the Mask of Zorro, with Anthony Hopkins passing on the Zorro baton to his successor, Antonio Banderas. I don't want to really see that here, to be honest. I don't think Lang really adds anything except for being a distraction.

A story focusing on Pym and Jan would be much more interesting. I would say only bring in Scott Lang if they wanted to later do a sequel but didn't want to continue with Pym (although that could end up like Highlander IV).

Agreed :up:

[DrCosmic]

Yeah I remember hearing about it years ago but it's gets brought up around here like it happened yesterday, plus I've never been a fan of Lang so there's another reason why I hope the actual film ends up significantly different.

It keeps getting brought up because they keep saying it over and over again year after year, every time the question is asked. Pym isn't intended, and probably not able, to appear in the Avengers. Fans may not like it, but that's the situation.

I think an older Hank Pym could be pretty cool, and again, fresh, and would further set him apart from other techies, biologists, bruisers and infiltrators on the team. Jan would be in Pym's movie, so they'd be about the same age, so none of that May- December stuff, I don't think.

On the topic, I think I'd like to see Ultron as the villain in part 2 now. I think, even if he's set in the 60s, Pym can still invent Ultron, and all that good stuff. I like that more and more.

[nikos52]

i think ultron is a great idea...because it's still a "smaller" and more "painfull" movie, because you get to see the Pym's and it focuses more on relationships between the characters. They can still have a kick-ass battle with Ultron, but it wil be in a much smaller scale and more personnal...i think that would make a perfect second movie in a trilogy.

[ZenTheAvenger]

I'd have Ultron in Avengers 2 with more references to Thanos in that film as well as in Thor 2 possibly?

Then Thanos in Avengers 3.

[BigThor]

i think ultron is a great idea...because it's still a "smaller" and more "painfull" movie, because you get to see the Pym's and it focuses more on relationships between the characters. They can still have a kick-ass battle with Ultron, but it wil be in a much smaller scale and more personnal...i think that would make a perfect second movie in a trilogy.

I'd have Ultron in Avengers 2 with more references to Thanos in that film as well as in Thor 2 possibly?

Then Thanos in Avengers 3.

I agree with both of you :up:

[ZenTheAvenger]

Apparently there is an interview out there with Fiege where he says Civil War is a real possibility for The Avengers 3?

[Oberon sexton]

That'd be weird, considering that Hulk and Thor were absent in that storyline.
Hmmm interesting..

[ZenTheAvenger]

That'd be weird, considering that Hulk and Thor were absent in that storyline.
Hmmm interesting..

I'm no expert but I don't see how Civil War would work well in a film?

Surely we would need 10-15 superheroes to give it some depth and there is no way a film could be made giving them all depth and the story real focus.

[Oberon sexton]

Yeah, you'd really need to drastically change the movie universe so that a large population of superheroes are part of everyday society, which of course probably wouldn't work.

[ZenTheAvenger]

Yeah, you'd really need to drastically change the movie universe so that a large population of superheroes are part of everyday society, which of course probably wouldn't work.

I don't think they should go the Civil War route.

Ultron followed by Thanos seems a nice, organic way of evolving the movies.

[Dark Carnage]

What if Thanos briefly shows up, takes an Infinity Gem that was on Earth, continued on his way and then Ultron is born from the need to have a more immediate response unit if the Avengers take too long to assemble?

Thor in Asgard, Hulk in the middle of nowhere. Even if Iron Man got to Thanos in a matter of minutes, he'd be taken down in humiliating fashion. So, he could talk to Pym about developing a collection of Iron Man-eque robots he could lead until the other Avengers arrive.

[ZenTheAvenger]

What if Thanos briefly shows up, takes an Infinity Gem that was on Earth, continued on his way and then Ultron is born from the need to have a more immediate response unit if the Avengers take too long to assemble?

Thor in Asgard, Hulk in the middle of nowhere. Even if Iron Man got to Thanos in a matter of minutes, he'd be taken down in humiliating fashion. So, he could talk to Pym about developing a collection of Iron Man-eque robots he could lead until the other Avengers arrive.

That is a pretty good idea!

[psylockolussus]

For now, I'll choose THANOS!

[Kishiro]

Kang plus Ultron for the second one. With a traveling to the future to visit the Ultron and Kang´s war.

[lancimouspitt]

I'm not real knowledable on the avengers,just the basics but I guessing we will see more of the Shield council in the sequel. I don't know if they where in the comics but at the end of the movie I don't think they where too happy with Fury's decision making. I would love to see Vision make his debut in a sequel within some form,more of thanos as well.
Possibly red hulk as a villian? Laughable?
Not sure where the argument started,but I as well was pretty sure it was Thanos who was lending an army to Loki as well. In the beginning that creature which was talking,was talking to someone. stating, "The world his" and something like "the universe yours."
and then midcredits the same creature was talking to the same being,stating the humans cannot be ruled because they are unruly. Maybe i'm completely off target here but I was under the same impression as well.

[Venom 1988]

I'm not real knowledable on the avengers,just the basics but I guessing we will see more of the Shield council in the sequel. I don't know if they where in the comics but at the end of the movie I don't think they where too happy with Fury's decision making.
Yeah I agree, based on the councils role in this movie I wouldn't be surprised if the tried to make their own Anti-Avengers/Master of Evil esque/Liberators/ "whatever you want to call them" team. The politics/ethics of this could be the more smaller personal movie they want while still having plenty of action. Have past/new villains acting for the Councils team; so even though they are evil, they're technically working for the government.

[DigificWriter]

Based on the way The Avengers ends, I think the most likely villain for Avengers 2 is Thanos, although there is also the potential for him to appear as the villain of Thor 2 before then, which would make him the second Marvel villain to appear in both a Thor movie and an Avengers movie (the first, of course, being Loki).

[lancimouspitt]

Based on the way The Avengers ends, I think the most likely villain for Avengers 2 is Thanos, although there is also the potential for him to appear as the villain of Thor 2 before then, which would make him the second Marvel villain to appear in both a Thor movie and an Avengers movie (the first, of course, being Loki).


Speaking of which is it confirmed that Thor 2,Iron man 3,and Captain America 2,next Hulk,etc will all or some of them be made before the next avengers film?
I'm guessing it's too early to say for sure but with the money The Avengers has been bringing in i'm wondering if they'll just make the sequel before anything else?

[DigificWriter]

^ As of now, the films for which we have confirmed release dates are Iron Man 3 (May 3, 2013), Thor 2 (November 15, 2013), and Captain America 2 (April 2014). We do know that an Avengers sequel is most likely coming, but we don't have many details about it at this point.

Regarding a sequel to TIH, there are currently no plans for the character of Bruce Banner/The Hulk to be featured in another solo film, as was confirmed by Kevin Feige a week or so ago.

[BigThor]

What if Thanos briefly shows up, takes an Infinity Gem that was on Earth, continued on his way and then Ultron is born from the need to have a more immediate response unit if the Avengers take too long to assemble?

Thor in Asgard, Hulk in the middle of nowhere. Even if Iron Man got to Thanos in a matter of minutes, he'd be taken down in humiliating fashion. So, he could talk to Pym about developing a collection of Iron Man-eque robots he could lead until the other Avengers arrive.

If Thanos shows up briefly in any film it's going to be in THOR II, because of his connection with Loki and the Infinity Gauntlet.

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's too soon for the guy featured in the mid-credits scene.

You don't want to peak on the second movie.

[DigificWriter]

It's too soon for the guy featured in the mid-credits scene.

You don't want to peak on the second movie.

This idea that sequels have to continually 'top' their predecessors is idiotic and unsustainable, so there is absolutely not reason why Thanos cannot be used as the villain for Avengers 2, especially given that the events of The Avengers, as well as an easter egg from Thor, pretty much telegraph him playing a major role in the overall storyline narrative of the MCU as it continues to unfold.

[MessiahDecoy123]

You save the best for last.

The villain is question is the ultimate challenge.

After defeating him no other victory would be as impressive.

[DigificWriter]

^ By that logic, The Joker shouldn't have been used in Batman '89 or The Dark Knight (the first and second installments of their respective iterations of DC/Warner Bros. filmic Batman franchise) because he is widely considered to be Batman's 'ultimate foe' and the one who constantly and consistently provides him with the biggest challenge.

Going with another example, Joss Whedon shouldn't have used Angel(us) as the Big Bad of BtVS Season 2 and instead saved him for Season 7, because he ended up providing more of an emotional and physical challenge for Buffy and her friends than any of the other villains she faced (including The First Evil).

Trying to weigh which villains should be used when in terms of the amount of challenge they provide to our heroes is a stupid way to make decisions because it is incredibly limiting and forces you to work within an unsustainable set of parameters.

[cherokeesam]

^ By that logic, The Joker shouldn't have been used in Batman '89 or The Dark Knight (the first and second installments of their respective iterations of DC/Warner Bros. filmic Batman franchise) because he is widely considered to be Batman's 'ultimate foe' and the one who constantly and consistently provides him with the biggest challenge.

Going with another example, Joss Whedon shouldn't have used Angel(us) as the Big Bad of BtVS Season 2 and instead saved him for Season 7, because he ended up providing more of an emotional and physical challenge for Buffy and her friends than any of the other villains she faced (including The First Evil).

Trying to weigh which villains should be used when in terms of the amount of challenge they provide to our heroes is a stupid way to make decisions because it is incredibly limiting and forces you to work within an unsustainable set of parameters.


Thank you for injecting some sense into the proceedings.

Avengers is a CONTINUOUS franchise, not a beginning-middle-end trilogy. Their battles are not weighted on increasingly higher stakes and increasingly tougher "boss fights," leading up to one final boss. There's plenty of fuel left in the Avengers tank after Thanos' story is told.

[DigificWriter]

^ I'd argue that trying to weigh which villainous characters to use in any given story - especially one based on as wide a spectrum of source material as comics books -in terms of the amount of challenge they can provide to the heroic character(s) being used is as much of a fallacy if you're dealing with a trilogy as it is if you're dealing with something like The Avengers and the rest of the Marvel MCU.

[cherokeesam]

^ I'd argue that trying to weigh which villainous characters to use in any given story - especially one based on as wide a spectrum of source material as comics books -in terms of the amount of challenge they can provide to the heroic character(s) being used is as much of a fallacy if you're dealing with a trilogy as it is if you're dealing with something like The Avengers and the rest of the Marvel MCU.

Yes, and the other (successful) superhero film franchises bear that out. Is Doc Ock more powerful than Green Goblin? Are Venom and Sandman more powerful than Doc Ock? Is Joker more powerful than Scarecrow & R'as? Are Bane and Catwoman more powerful than Joker? Or in the case of the X-Men, there's not even a hierarchy there --- it's just X-Men vs. Brotherhood, again and again, in different venues.

[Slipeor]

Thanos has already been set up and would be easy enough to do. He could be a force so powerful that it takes all the heroes to defeat him. I think they go that way and maybe even take it off of Earth for the big battle.

If it's the Masters of Evil, then they don't use that cheesey name and it's probably a movie-verse version of them (Red Skull, Loki, Abomination, Madarin, Justin Hammer, etc) as opposed to Zemo and crew.

Civil War would be pointless. There is not enough history and the first movie dealth with in-fighting to some degree.

Ultron needs Pym/Wasp to be introduced. This is feasible because it would probably be a SHIELD project gone wrong. Also leaves the door open to the Vision.

Namor and Atlanteans would be fun, but not really a big enough threat (yes, I know it can be in the comics, but I don't see it here).

At the end of the day, the first film will be hard to top. I like the idea of doin IM3, THor 2, Cap 2 first and maybe even a solo Hulk. Then come up with a big threat that requires them all. I'm fine waiting 4-5 years and having it done right.

[Dark Raven]

I want Ultron in Avengers 2. They should just keep building Thanos up in the background so that there is a much bigger payoff by Avengers 3. Whedon said he wanted something smaller and more personal. I think Ultron would fit that bill perfectly while still being an extremely deadly threat. It would also make a change of pace from Avengers 1. I don't want a rehash of the first film, which it could easily be with Thanos.

Marvel need to show they have variety, and not just repeating the formula. Otherwise it would be like many of the James Bond movies that keep remaking Goldfinger just because it works and is extremely successful. They need a few like From Russia With Love as well. That is what Avengers 2 could be like.

[roach]

Thank you for injecting some sense into the proceedings.

Avengers is a CONTINUOUS franchise, not a beginning-middle-end trilogy. Their battles are not weighted on increasingly higher stakes and increasingly tougher "boss fights," leading up to one final boss. There's plenty of fuel left in the Avengers tank after Thanos' story is told.

while this is true for a comic it doesn't hold true for movies...regardless if its a trilogy or a continued series. In Avengers they fought Loki and an alien invasion...the next movie has to escalate beyond that. If in Avengers 2 they were up against a group of ninjas the audience would feel cheated. More over if they fight a space god in Avengers 2 then there has to be a bigger threat in Avengers 3.
Marvel understands this escalation which is why none of their heroes saved the world until this movie. Iron Man's fights were personal...the world was never hanging in the balance. Thor saved a small town in Nevada. Cap saved America in the past.

[MessiahDecoy123]

and Joker is the greatest Batman villain but he never will be the physical threat that Bane is.

The Joker challenges Batman's integrity. Bane toys with Batman strategically, breaks his spine and leaves him for dead.

You can't say the Joker is a bigger threat when Bane has done the most damage to Batman effortlessly.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Thank you for injecting some sense into the proceedings.

Avengers is a CONTINUOUS franchise, not a beginning-middle-end trilogy. Their battles are not weighted on increasingly higher stakes and increasingly tougher "boss fights," leading up to one final boss. There's plenty of fuel left in the Avengers tank after Thanos' story is told.

Who told you it was a continuous franchise?

You think Robert Downey Jr and the other actors want to play these characters for the next 15 years?

It's best to do a legendary trilogy with the current cast then start over a few years later with a fresh cast.

[Ash Talon]

Well, they have the cast (sans RDJ) locked up for 3 of each of their movies and 3 Avengers. They're going to avoid recasting as best they can. For a while anyway.

It sounds like Thanos was just kinda put in there, per Whedon. They're really not locked into using him for Avengers 2.

If so, I think they could do the following. Have each of the next 3 movies have their post-credits scene revolve around Thanos or introducing members of the Guardians of the Galaxy (ie, one of the GotG is the sole survivor of an encounter with Thanos or they see the aftermath of one of his battles). Build to a Guardians of the Galaxy movie which would come out in the same years as Cap 2. Market it as a tie-in to the other Marvel movies and a prelude to Avengers 2. It won't set records, but it would be a hit.

They might be better off holding off a bit on Thanos though. Ultron is certainly a more contained story. Ant-Man and Wasp should either be introduced in their own movie (Wasp needs to be in the Ant-Man movie) or in the beginning of Avengers 2. They could also be introduced in the upcoming films' post-credits scenes. Build to them being on the Avengers team. Maybe have one of the credits scenes be an introduction to the Ultron computer system (which will help coordinate and keep track of the Avengers). Avengers could be about Ultron about building its own "perfect" Avenger in the form of Vision which it plans on replacing the current Avengers with. Ultron starts building its own body and maybe an army as well. Vision rebels against Ultron. Avengers (including Ant-Man, Wasp, and Vision) take on Ultron. This would be a good way of expanding the Avengers roster.

BTW, Ant-Man should be in a bind at one point and forces himself becoming larger into Giant-Man. It would be a very dramatic reveal and could work as well as the Hulk vs. Loki moment.

[Artistsean]

Avengers 1 had Loki, Loki's alien army, and then Thanos, does this mean they have to take things up a notch? Raise the threat level? Can they get away with Baron Zemo (http://www.comicvine.com/baron-helmut-zemo/29-3278/) and his Masters of Evil (http://www.comicvine.com/masters-of-evil/65-7582/)? Would Ultron be enough compared to Avengers 1? Could they get away with Kang the Conquerer? Or does it have to go more naturally from alien invasion in Avengers 1 to the Kree/Skrull War and then beyond? And never able to include Absorbing Man, Kang (http://www.comicvine.com/kang/29-2264/), Ultron, Zemo, etc?
Some threats can be managed, I think, in the solo films. Cap can handel Zemo and the Red Skull in his own movies. But for me Ultron is an Avengers bad guy. You need the Avengers for it. It wouldn't be the same with random SHIELD agents or something.
The movies will have to deal with Thanos, and that means space stuff. Will that include the Kree or Skrulls?
I have an idea for when they bring Ant Man (http://www.comicvine.com/hank-pym/29-2247/)/Wasp (http://www.comicvine.com/wasp/29-1502/) into the movies.
Hank Pym joins the team, and while he seems heroic he feels out of place. But everything seems fine, just another team member. In the next Avengers after that film we see that Pym is actually mentally unstable. He has a breakdown and creates Ultron (http://www.comicvine.com/ultron/29-2242/) and uses his own brain patterns as a blueprint. Ultron becomes the living robotic embodiment of all of Pym's hatred, resentment, and jealousy for all the Avengers, including his wife Janet/Wasp and for Pym himself. He wants to kill them all. In his schemes he creates the Vision, the 1st AI robot created by a robot without a human involved. In the final battle Vision joins the Avengers and Pym leads the charge and redeems himself through his actions and through Vision. Sort of like Pym (the father) taught his son to hate, now he redeems himself through his grandson Vision by teaching him that hate is wrong. Another way to look at it is that Pym took his dark side and gave it a body of its own.
Originally I thought that the alien invasion might actually be Atlantis invading like they did in the FF comics, with their Atlantian ships and armor. Namor leading them and his giant sea monsters. I thought that would be the perfect way to introduce Namor into the movies. But now they had an invasion in Avengers 1 and have unfinished things they have to deal with in the next films so that might make it hard to get to Namor. And again would that be a step down from Avengers 1? Having an alien invasion, Loki (demi god) and Thanos? Would Namor be a let down from that?
I have a big idea for the whole franchise too. The cast wont want to play these characters forever. Eventually they will leave the Avengers franchise. Robert Downey Jr. is already reported to be out after Iron Man 3 and Avengers 3. So I have a way to keep the films and franchise going. Bring in Ant Man and Wasp in Avengers 2, that way when Chris Evans and the rest leave when their contracts are up after Avengers 3 you still have Avengers the audience knows in Avengers 4. So you can then bring in more Avengers from the comics into Avengers 4, like Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, Vision (brought in in the Ultron story), Scarlet Witch, etc. So then when the actors who play Ant Man and the Wasp's contracts are up and they leave too you still have the others signed up for more films. So you stagger the cast's rotation. You still have members of the cast signed up for the next film or the next 2 films. You could keep the films going (from a contract perspective) for a long time much like Law and Order. You don't even have to recast them. So you could even bring Bucky (http://www.comicvine.com/bucky-barnes/29-40470/)/Cap into the Avengers as the new Captain America when Evans is done.
Aren't they going to have the films cross into the AKA tv show that will also include Luke Cage and a cameo by Ms. Marvel? Maybe they could also introduce some ideas for the bad guys here too.

[DigificWriter]

In Avengers they fought Loki and an alien invasion...the next movie has to escalate beyond that.

No, it doesn't. This kind of thinking is an unsustainable and idiotic fallacy, as myself and cherokeesam have already stated a couple of times. It puts a serious damper on creativity and storytelling and sets a 'bar' that can ultimately never be reached or surpassed.

[MarvelKnight]

No, it doesn't. This kind of thinking is an unsustainable and idiotic fallacy, as myself and cherokeesam have already stated a couple of times. It puts a serious damper on creativity and storytelling and sets a 'bar' that can ultimately never be reached or surpassed.

Yeah, that's typically why most sequels are no where near as good as the first film. I have complete faith in Joss, and that Marvel will let him do his thing considering how amazing The Avengers is doing. Not even Marvel could have expected this.

[roach]

No, it doesn't. This kind of thinking is an unsustainable and idiotic fallacy, as myself and cherokeesam have already stated a couple of times. It puts a serious damper on creativity and storytelling and sets a 'bar' that can ultimately never be reached or surpassed.

No it doesn't. Especially not with Avengers. They have plenty of villains that are bigger than Loki and aliens but not bigger than Thanos. Every sequel has done this. The threat is bigger and the villain more powerful.

Just because you and cherokeesam state it doesn't make it true. When the Marvel execs sit down to discuss Avengers 2 they are gonna asks 2 questions...How can we make it bigger and how can we make it better?

[MarvelKnight]

No it doesn't. Especially not with Avengers. They have plenty of villains that are bigger than Loki and aliens but not bigger than Thanos. Every sequel has done this. The threat is bigger and the villain more powerful.

Just because you and cherokeesam state it doesn't make it true. When the Marvel execs sit down to discuss Avengers 2 they are gonna asks 2 questions...How can we make it bigger and how can we make it better?

The only movie to get a sequel in the MCU was Iron Man... and we all know how that turned out. I thought Stane/Iron Monger was a much better villain, and he was literally and figuratively a bigger threat than danko.

Terminator 2 fits your mold. That was bigger and better in every sense of the word, but it also went in line with what Joss says about it being the natural and next step, and not just being bigger and more intense for the sake of it being bigger and more intense.

Whedon knows what's going on and he'll give us a natural coherent next step in the Avengers saga/MCU.

I don't think Marvel is going to be dumb enough to simply 'Make the next one bigger' cause that is what 'every sequel does'. If it doesn't make sense within the context of the MCU I'm sure they won't do it.

[roach]

Alien-Aliens(one alien vs a colony of aliens and a queen)
Terminator-T2(one terminator vs a state of the art liquid metal one)
Spider-man-Spider-man 2 (we went from a grudge with GG to a Doc Ock who attempted to blow up the city)
X-men-X2(fighting Magneto to fighting the government with humans and mutants in the balance)
Superman-Superman 2 (fighting Lex to fighting 3 kryptonians)
Matrix-Matrix Reloaded (Fighting one Smith to fighting a bunch of Smiths)
Jaws-Jaws 2(the shark got bigger)
Transformers(fighting Megatron to fighting more deceptions and the Fallen)

[DigificWriter]

^ I'm not sure if you're trying to prove your point about sequels having to 'up the ante', but, in the case of Matrix Reloaded and Revenge of the Fallen, general opinion argues against the idea that 'upping the ante' makes a sequel better because those two particular sequels are percieved to have been worse than their predecessors.

Your example of Spidey 2 also doesn't really work because I think you'll find that the general feeling is that the reason Doc Ock made a better villain than the Green Goblin wasn't because he provided a bigger threat to Spidey, but because of the truly sympathetic nature of his character.

[Mr. Immortal]

Ultron or Kang. I could see them leaning more towards Ultron to break up the invasion-from-another-world thing.

[Tony Stark]

Ultron makes the most sense to me if you want to bring in Pym.

[ElMariachi]

Some of you are going to hate me for this but why not have JARVIS become Ultron?

[terry78]

Masters of Evil I say from before. We need a team of superpowered bad guys to take them all on as a contrast.

[BigThor]

Ultron or Kang. I could see them leaning more towards Ultron to break up the invasion-from-another-world thing.

Ultron makes the most sense to me if you want to bring in Pym.

I'm with both of you guys on this :up:

Give us some Ultron!

[MahvelBaby!]

I don't care about the order as long as it's good, I love all these villains.

[Whiskey Tango]

Definitely Kang.

I like this-

I think a movie with Kang would give Pym a reason to create Ultron (think of Earth's Mightiest Heroes where he sent an army of Ultron's to help with the Kang invasion.) Ultron requires much more build up than Kang, and should get part of a film to be built upto before he's unleashed.

Damn Thanos is going to throw a wrench into it all tho. :(

[MahvelBaby!]

Can't technically the Pym creating Ultron thing be put into a movie with Thanos too? You know assuming Thanos comes with an army that spans the globe?

[dbxkilla]

i haven't seen a lot of people use this as an idea but i think the likely choice is Kang because thanos can be the one that takes over the world in a future where there weren't heroes and he comes back in time so he can conquer the earth and stop Thanos from taking over the world

[cherokeesam]

i haven't seen a lot of people use this as an idea but i think the likely choice is Kang because thanos can be the one that takes over the world in a future where there weren't heroes and he comes back in time so he can conquer the earth and stop Thanos from taking over the world


Two and a half problems with that:

1) Thanos isn't in the conquering business. He *destroys* worlds (and galaxies); he's not interested in conquering/owning them.

2) Kang wouldn't have much interest in going back in time to stop Thanos, other than to take over the planet *himself.* Kang, you see, *is* in the conquering business. (It's also his last name. Kang T. Conqueror.)

3) There's the minor problem that Kang couldn't even remotely hope to defeat Thanos. It'd be like an ant trying to defeat an elephant

[BigThor]

^ I think Kang would put up a nice fight, sure he's gonna lose but he'll definately let Thanos know he's there.

[dbxkilla]

Two and a half problems with that:

1) Thanos isn't in the conquering business. He *destroys* worlds (and galaxies); he's not interested in conquering/owning them.

2) Kang wouldn't have much interest in going back in time to stop Thanos, other than to take over the planet *himself.* Kang, you see, *is* in the conquering business. (It's also his last name. Kang T. Conqueror.)

3) There's the minor problem that Kang couldn't even remotely hope to defeat Thanos. It'd be like an ant trying to defeat an elephant

well i see where the problems are but wat if kang was the one who is the ruler of the earth in the future but because wat happen with loki meeting with thanos , his reality gets messed up like in the earths mightiest heroes animated cartoon and he comes back in time to conquer the earth before thanos can so he can prepare the earth for the coming invasion

[ronny]

Mephisto should be the villain. He's memorable visually and could have a lot of cool back-and-forths with Stark given that both are sarcastic wise-asses.
Of course, he'd need some subordinates such as Blackheart, but that wouldn't be a problem given Marvels rich library of villains.
But I think Mephisto would be the most intriguing choice.

[jaqua99]

^ By that logic, The Joker shouldn't have been used in Batman '89 or The Dark Knight (the first and second installments of their respective iterations of DC/Warner Bros. filmic Batman franchise) because he is widely considered to be Batman's 'ultimate foe' and the one who constantly and consistently provides him with the biggest challenge.

Going with another example, Joss Whedon shouldn't have used Angel(us) as the Big Bad of BtVS Season 2 and instead saved him for Season 7, because he ended up providing more of an emotional and physical challenge for Buffy and her friends than any of the other villains she faced (including The First Evil).

Trying to weigh which villains should be used when in terms of the amount of challenge they provide to our heroes is a stupid way to make decisions because it is incredibly limiting and forces you to work within an unsustainable set of parameters.


Totally different. Thanos is a universal threat. Any other villian after him would be well, insignificant. They said the sequel will be smaller, more personal, so I am thinking Ultron.

[jaqua99]

^ I think Kang would put up a nice fight, sure he's gonna lose but he'll definately let Thanos know he's there.


Assuming in the MCU the Thanos story will involve the IG, I see Kang being an ant as well. I see the threat won't just be Thanos, but the threat will also be being aware of what he will do with the IG. Which by the way, I believe WILL operate on a universal scale, hence the beginning of The Avengers when "The Other" was talking to Thanos, "The earth will be his, and the universe, yours"

[L0ngsh0t]

Ultron is the next logical choice for an Avenger's sequel. He's a excellent adversary for them.


Outside of the fact that Thanos was teased in the end of Avengers....

look it's going to be either a) Thanos or b) something with very heavy Thanos over-tones which Ultron does not have

[L0ngsh0t]

Totally different. Thanos is a universal threat. Any other villian after him would be well, insignificant. They said the sequel will be smaller, more personal, so I am thinking Ultron.

They teased Thanos lol...they didn't tease Ultron. It will not be Ultron.

They might ultimtatley save the Infinity Gauntlet for A3 but you can bet money Thanos has a huge hand in the events of A2.

[dbxkilla]

Totally different. Thanos is a universal threat. Any other villian after him would be well, insignificant. They said the sequel will be smaller, more personal, so I am thinking Ultron.
ultron just doenst fit for the sequel because he is a villain made by ant man and there could be a possibility that he doest show up till after avengers 2 so using kang, masters of evil, or thanos is better

[cherokeesam]

Assuming in the MCU the Thanos story will involve the IG, I see Kang being an ant as well. I see the threat won't just be Thanos, but the threat will also be being aware of what he will do with the IG. Which by the way, I believe WILL operate on a universal scale, hence the beginning of The Avengers when "The Other" was talking to Thanos, "The earth will be his, and the universe, yours"

Except The Other was referring to the Cosmic Cube, not the Gauntlet. And Thanos never used the IG to "rule" the universe....he used it to wipe out half of it.

Hate to keep reiterating this, but people still harbor the delusion that Thanos is some Saturday morning villain who wants to "rule the universe." He doesn't. He wants to KILL IT. To impress his girlfriend.

They teased Thanos lol...they didn't tease Ultron. It will not be Ultron.

They might ultimtatley save the Infinity Gauntlet for A3 but you can bet money Thanos has a huge hand in the events of A2.

Thanos has a huge hand, any way you look at it.

Also, lol at the people saying Ultron is a "smaller and more personal threat" to the Avengers. Does nobody actually read comics anymore....?:doh:

[dbxkilla]

Except The Other was referring to the Cosmic Cube, not the Gauntlet. And Thanos never used the IG to "rule" the universe....he used it to wipe out half of it.

Hate to keep reiterating this, but people still harbor the delusion that Thanos is some Saturday morning villain who wants to "rule the universe." He doesn't. He wants to KILL IT. To impress his girlfriend.



Thanos has a huge hand, any way you look at it.

Also, lol at the people saying Ultron is a "smaller and more personal threat" to the Avengers. Does nobody actually read comics anymore....?:doh:

in a way ultron is more personal and smaller, if they use him for the sequel he can be personal if ant man is in A2 but if not it would not make any sense

[Ostyn Titan]

Hello everyone,

To answer the threaded question, I would Love to see Thanos 'The Mad Titan' in the next movie or at least in Thor 2 leading up to the Avengers 2 down the road.

Although, I did feel Thanos should be saved for later due to the fact he is one of the few villians that actually accomplishes what he sets out to do. But the fact he was brought out this early, I doubt Marvel doesn't have a plan as to how keep the trilogy or franchise interesting after Thanos appearance.

Here is a special treat especially to all those who like Thanos as a character. I created an audio of a Thanos monologue addressing the Avengers before battle!!

Follow the link: http://youtu.be/3lOL23751IE

Enjoy :woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[terry78]

Thanos is one of the villains who is literally crazy. There are villains who are kinda nuts, but he is flat out insane due to the reason he wants to destroy everything. He's basically Son of Sam crazy.

[L0ngsh0t]

Also, lol at the people saying Ultron is a "smaller and more personal threat" to the Avengers. Does nobody actually read comics anymore....?:doh:


My guess is people REALLY want Ant-Man and they know if Ultron is the villain Ant-Man has to have a place in the movie.

I think a more personal, painful story for our characters is by having a threat that pushes them to their core. Again Thanos might not be the primary villain in A2 but he is going to be a major player and to have Ultron be the main baddy doesn't really work.

I think a quest to find the Infinity Gems before Thanos is a story that could be a painful personal experience as it pushes respective characters to their limits in forgien territories.

[jaqua99]

Except The Other was referring to the Cosmic Cube, not the Gauntlet. And Thanos never used the IG to "rule" the universe....he used it to wipe out half of it.

Hate to keep reiterating this, but people still harbor the delusion that Thanos is some Saturday morning villain who wants to "rule the universe." He doesn't. He wants to KILL IT. To impress his girlfriend.



Thanos has a huge hand, any way you look at it.

Also, lol at the people saying Ultron is a "smaller and more personal threat" to the Avengers. Does nobody actually read comics anymore....?:doh:

:doh:

Gosh I am so misunderstood. I know that Thanos wants to destroy. He is my favorite Marvel character period, believe me I know everything there is to know about him, along with you haha. Yes, he was talking about the cube. But my point was that Thanos will operate on a universal scale. When the IG is introduced, some people were thinking it will be dumbed down in power, to fit the MCU better. But with the Other saying the cube will allow Thanos to rule "THE UNIVERSE" (not the earth, not the solar system, not the Galaxy, but the entire universe) my point was with that being said, that when the IG is introduced, it will operate on a universal scale, since the cube would allow him to "rule" the universe. Although, no correlation. :D


btw the smacky head has nothing to do with you :P

[terry78]

Now I'm kinda wondering if The Other isn't aware of Thanos' infatuation with Death, and just assumes his master only wants to rule. Kind of just a pawn that doesn't know what the bigger and more horrible picture will be.

[jaqua99]

They teased Thanos lol...they didn't tease Ultron. It will not be Ultron.

They might ultimtatley save the Infinity Gauntlet for A3 but you can bet money Thanos has a huge hand in the events of A2.


Still doubt it. Teasing means nothing. If I had plans for this, yes I would tease Thanos in 1 also. The tease could simply imply that Thanos is present in the MCU. Rumors with the 2014 movies, one possibly being Ant Man, which would probabaly introduce Ultron. With that being said, that could set up an Avengers 2.

Also, we don't know who or what will be shown. We still have 3 years of movies atleast vefore we get an Avengers 2. Do I KNOW Thanos is being saved? No. Do I KNOW Ultron will be in 2? NO. Do you KNOW Thanos will be in 2? NO. Do You KNOW Ultron won't be in 2? NO. We dont. Its all speculation at this point. After Whedon or whoever it was said that Avengers 2 will be smaller and more personal, I can't see a Thanos movie being smaller, or more personal. I just cant.

It is all speculation..but

I disagree with you.

[jaqua99]

Now I'm kinda wondering if The Other isn't aware of Thanos' infatuation with Death, and just assumes his master only wants to rule. Kind of just a pawn that doesn't know what the bigger and more horrible picture will be.

EXACTLY what I am thinking. In fact, I am kind of assuming he didn't.

[cherokeesam]

EXACTLY what I am thinking. In fact, I am kind of assuming he didn't.

Yeah, that's exactly my read, too. Thanos is keeping his plans to himself, and is even misleading The Other and Loki about his intentions, and playing them like pawns, too. Thanos is lying about ruling the universe, but he's leading them (and anyone else) to believe that's his only intent.

[terry78]

When The Other said there are more, and greater worlds out there, that could be a leadup to a final confrontation where they have to literally save the universe from being wiped out....leading in to additional alien Avengers members possibly.

[cherokeesam]

When The Other said there are more, and greater worlds out there, that could be a leadup to a final confrontation where they have to literally save the universe from being wiped out....leading in to additional alien Avengers members possibly.


Either that or a lead-in to the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. :yay:

[dbxkilla]

EXACTLY what I am thinking. In fact, I am kind of assuming he didn't.

I'm thinking that thanos is just happy that there was a planet that might give him a challenge before he destroys it, its like he's eager to fight the avengers

[jaqua99]

Yeah, that's exactly my read, too. Thanos is keeping his plans to himself, and is even misleading The Other and Loki about his intentions, and playing them like pawns, too. Thanos is lying about ruling the universe, but he's leading them (and anyone else) to believe that's his only intent.

how would you feel if Thanos suceeds in the avengers film he is the villian in? As in, sucessfully destroys the universe, or part of it, and leaves a hole open for defeat, for somehow defeats himself? Opposed to The Avengers+Whoever else defeating him. I know thats how it goes in the comics, him defeating himself, but for all we know, they may have Thanos be "defeated by the good guys". Do you think Marvel will not hold back, and let the villian win? Only to fall at his own hand? You think they could do that? I really hope it does. Maybe have death not literally be a complete character. Maybe after Thanos somehow defeats himself, we see him with everyone around him, and Thanos see's death with open arms, but only he can see her. Him being welcomed by Death's embrace, AFTER he has already destroyed the universe, idc how people will react to that. I would love for something like that to happen. Where even though The Avengers still "stopped the bad guy" Thanos still wins in every sense he planned to?

Id love to see him actually win

[cherokeesam]

how would you feel if Thanos suceeds in the avengers film he is the villian in? As in, sucessfully destroys the universe, or part of it, and leaves a hole open for defeat, for somehow defeats himself? Opposed to The Avengers+Whoever else defeating him. I know thats how it goes in the comics, him defeating himself, but for all we know, they may have Thanos be "defeated by the good guys". Do you think Marvel will not hold back, and let the villian win? Only to fall at his own hand? You think they could do that? I really hope it does. Maybe have death not literally be a complete character. Maybe after Thanos somehow defeats himself, we see him with everyone around him, and Thanos see's death with open arms, but only he can see her. Him being welcomed by Death's embrace, AFTER he has already destroyed the universe, idc how people will react to that. I would love for something like that to happen. Where even though The Avengers still "stopped the bad guy" Thanos still wins in every sense he planned to?

Id love to see him actually win

I actually like the idea of making Mistress Death a hallucination that only Thanos can see....his literal "dream lover." It'd make him look all the more insane, and Marvel wouldn't have to take the difficult step of personifying Death. It's one thing to make Norse "gods" who primitive Vikings worshipped for their powers; it's a whole 'nother step to say that Death is an actual being (with a hot body, at that).

As far as "letting Thanos win," no, that's not likely going to happen. The whole Nebula subplot of IG probably won't show up --- in fact, most of the characters in IG and ThanosQuest are too extraneous to start cluttering up the MCU with. So in cinematic terms, Marvel is probably going to make sure that *whenever* the throwdown with Thanos happens, it's the heroes who actually defeat him and save the universe, rather than some sidebar character. Or his own lack of foresight.

[L0ngsh0t]

how would you feel if Thanos suceeds in the avengers film he is the villian in? As in, sucessfully destroys the universe, or part of it, and leaves a hole open for defeat, for somehow defeats himself? Opposed to The Avengers+Whoever else defeating him. I know thats how it goes in the comics, him defeating himself, but for all we know, they may have Thanos be "defeated by the good guys". Do you think Marvel will not hold back, and let the villian win? Only to fall at his own hand? You think they could do that? I really hope it does. Maybe have death not literally be a complete character. Maybe after Thanos somehow defeats himself, we see him with everyone around him, and Thanos see's death with open arms, but only he can see her. Him being welcomed by Death's embrace, AFTER he has already destroyed the universe, idc how people will react to that. I would love for something like that to happen. Where even though The Avengers still "stopped the bad guy" Thanos still wins in every sense he planned to?

Id love to see him actually win


I think it would be great if Avengers 2 ends with Thanos Assembling the Infinity Gauntlet i.e. the Avengers fail.

then maybe the teaser for A3 is Adam Warlock who volunteers to help the Avengers protect the Universe (setting up a GoG film that preludes Avengers 2)

[I'm Venom]

Still doubt it. Teasing means nothing. If I had plans for this, yes I would tease Thanos in 1 also. The tease could simply imply that Thanos is present in the MCU. Rumors with the 2014 movies, one possibly being Ant Man, which would probabaly introduce Ultron. With that being said, that could set up an Avengers 2.

I know it's a movie, but a man who talks to ants doesn't sound like something I could even take a bit seriously.

[jaqua99]

I know it's a movie, but a man who talks to ants doesn't sound like something I could even take a bit seriously.

Me either, although they may focus on the giant man part. But irrelevant.

The only reason I want ant man is for one thing..Ultron

[I'm Venom]

Me either, although they may focus on the giant man part. But irrelevant.

The only reason I want ant man is for one thing..Ultron

They could alter Ultron's origin and make him a Stark creation. Works for me. :up:

[BatsDC]

They could alter Ultron's origin and make him a Stark creation. Works for me. :up:

Except for the fact it's Pym's story, and something he has to go through mentally that changes his character

[cherokeesam]

Besides, Stark being responsible for Ultron becomes redundant. Stark already feels like he's unleashed a pandora's box on the world with his Iron Man tech; now you wanna compound that by giving him a boring old killer robot to be a Big Oops for him, too? Plus, what kind of motivation would Ultron have to turn evil? With the Pym storyline, you get a fantastic and twisted Oedipal psychodrama to explain Ultron; with Tony as Ultron's creator, you just get more ****ing hardware to shred.

[Whiskey Tango]

Not a fan of Stark creating Ultron. :down

[TacomaTruck90]

Idk I'm learning more towards Thanos and MCU wanting to go more cosmic, it also seemed apparently from Whedon's take he feels that fit works right for the avengers. The question I have is since first one was about cosmic aliens how would general audience feel about second one having a similar theme ?

[I'm Venom]

Bring on Thanos! It should take two movies to defeat a villain like him.

[BigThor]

Not a fan of Stark creating Ultron. :down

Me neither Whiskey :barf:

[I'm Venom]

If you want to introduce Ultron, the continuity already contains one "genius" who's inventions routinely fail in spectacularly dangerous ways: Justin Hammer. You got to figure if that guy ever tried to replicate Jarvis, he's pretty much guaranteed to end up with Ultron. I'd love to see Rockwell in a sequel. Supposedly, he's not in Iron Man 3.

"I just need to upgrade the AI a little so I don't have to... Oops."

[Capt.America518]

how would you feel if Thanos suceeds in the avengers film he is the villian in? As in, sucessfully destroys the universe, or part of it, and leaves a hole open for defeat, for somehow defeats himself? Opposed to The Avengers+Whoever else defeating him. I know thats how it goes in the comics, him defeating himself, but for all we know, they may have Thanos be "defeated by the good guys". Do you think Marvel will not hold back, and let the villian win? Only to fall at his own hand? You think they could do that? I really hope it does. Maybe have death not literally be a complete character. Maybe after Thanos somehow defeats himself, we see him with everyone around him, and Thanos see's death with open arms, but only he can see her. Him being welcomed by Death's embrace, AFTER he has already destroyed the universe, idc how people will react to that. I would love for something like that to happen. Where even though The Avengers still "stopped the bad guy" Thanos still wins in every sense he planned to?

Id love to see him actually win

They would never let Thanos win.... If they did I would be very upset

[Capt.America518]

Ultron should be the obvious choice for avengers 2.... When one thinks of the avnegers the very first villain who should come to mind IS ULTRON!! IT HAS TO BE ULTRON!!! They could get such a great/successful story from him if they introduced him and pym accurately before avengers 2

[Chewy]

The first villain that comes to my mind when I think Avengers is Zemo

[KangConquers]

I was curious about who was the true Avengers #1 villain, so I used the Marvel wikia database, and tallied appearance totals for the big avengers villains. (Note that I only used the Avengers classic run from 1963-2004 and associated minis and on-goings. I also only counted appearances where the characters served as the main antagonist, vs. issues that included flashbacks.)


1. Kang- 54
2. Ultron- 33
3. Immortus- 20
4. Loki- 18
5. Baron Zemo- 15


Just to settle who the big bad was for the original team.

[Capt.America518]

Ultron is better thank Kang... We already saw a full out invasion happen in Avengers 1, with Kang as the villain, it would literally be the exact same plot just with a different looking villain..... Ultron's motives are much more unique and meaningful than Kangs... Sad to say but half the time, Ultron's view on flawed humanity can be seen as truth

[KangConquers]

Ultron is better thank Kang... We already saw a full out invasion happen in Avengers 1, with Kang as the villain, it would literally be the exact same plot just with a different looking villain..... Ultron's motives are much more unique and meaningful than Kangs... Sad to say but half the time, Ultron's view on flawed humanity can be seen as truth

Ultron can either be written very effectively or very trite. Kang has a greater range of characterization and motives, Ultron is very single minded.

I agree with you though, that Marvel cannibalized Kang a bit in A1.

[Phantom X]

I like the idea of the Grandmaster character because he abducts heroes from around the world and makes them compete in the SUPERHERO OLYMPICS! Think about it, Captain America can fight Captain Britain, Iron Man vs Titanium Man, Thor against Graviton, Hawkeye throws down with the Black Knight, and the Hulk fightin Sasquatch!

Will team Thanos doom the Earth to oblivion or will Fury's team take home the gold? Well it is called the Avengers so we got nothin to worry about.

Or Kang could be the villain and instead of bringing an army he could bring his side-kick, a miniture version of himself called Co-Kang!

[BigThor]

The first villain that comes to my mind when I think about The Avengers is Ultron, followed by Kang (my 2nd favorite Avengers villain).

[KangConquers]

The first villain that comes to my mind when I think about The Avengers is Ultron, followed by Kang (my 2nd favorite Avengers villain).

The big 3 = those two plus The Masters. Sadly, we might not see any of the big 3 in Joss Whedon's avengers trilogy.

[cherokeesam]

I was curious about who was the true Avengers #1 villain, so I used the Marvel wikia database, and tallied appearance totals for the big avengers villains. (Note that I only used the Avengers classic run from 1963-2004 and associated minis and on-goings. I also only counted appearances where the characters served as the main antagonist, vs. issues that included flashbacks.)


1. Kang- 54
2. Ultron- 33
3. Immortus- 20
4. Loki- 18
5. Baron Zemo- 15


Just to settle who the big bad was for the original team.

Actually, you might as well credit Kang with 74, and erase Immortus. They're the same entity. :)

[terry78]

I forgot we were talking about kind of a Masters of Evil thing for the sequel as well, instead of one giant big bad. Maybe one of each of their respective B-list villains that all team up at some point to take them on.

[KangConquers]

Actually, you might as well credit Kang with 74, and erase Immortus. They're the same entity. :)

They're vastly different personalities though, and serve as different aspects of the same man. They're also arguably each other's worst enemies.

[Capt.America518]

To be honest, I think the only two villains that could work other than Thanos that would be somewhat mildly entertaining would be Ultron or Kang.... I'd prefer Ultron of course but Kang is good too.... Any other villain wouuld be an upset... I trust Joss Whedon to do the right thing here and pickk a good villain.... Unfortunately the masters of evil are a no go... UNLESS we see Zemo in Cap 2 (but still he'd be the only movie universe masters of evil villain on screen yet).

[marcvader]

I think Chen Lu will be in IM3

[Chewy]

Use Whirlwind as the Ant-Man baddie and you've got another

[BigThor]

The big 3 = those two plus The Masters. Sadly, we might not see any of the big 3 in Joss Whedon's avengers trilogy.

Yeah but I have a feeling that Ultron is gonna be the villain in A2, I don't think Joss can ignore such a big Avenger's villain.

[Silvermoth]

I'm still not entirely convinced about Ultron. I'm still keen on seeing the Avengers go up against their equivalent with a team of villains. So that it looks like this.

Group of individuals form a team to fight one guy (No contest)
A team fights another team in Avengers 2 (Evenly matched)
Hero versus hero in Avengers 3 (Oh the drama!)

It would be cool if they could use the Cabal as a Phase 2 lynchpin for example. They've already sort of hinted at it with the bureacrats in Avengers 1.

[DocHoliday]

I'm going with Thanos. Not just because it's the villain we'll most likely get but because honestly I think he's the most interesting choice, he just wants death. :)

[Figs]

Thanos

I don't want to have to wait for him to be in a third film where we might get god damn recasts since it will be quite a few years away.

I really do not get the appeal of Ultron, he's a ****ing robot.

[Joeyjojo72]

Korvac could work, but theyd have to rework his back story pretty extensively. But I like the idea of a human antagonist this time around, one who is imbued with vast cosmic power. The problem is he doesnt have any connection to Thanos as far as I can remember.

If Marvel is thinking along these lines, it would partially explain why they were so interested in Galactus and the Silver Surfer, both of which factor into Korvac's story. He also could be the connection between the Guardians of the Galaxy and the Avengers, as he was in the comics. Might work.

[Silver Surfer]

Kang, never really liked Ultron and Thanos should be saved for TA3. The only instance Thanos should be in TA2 is if Marvel gets the rights to Galactus for TA3.

[Chewy]

I really do not get the appeal of Ultron, he's a ****ing robot.
His defection turns a good, noble man into a broken shell of a person

It's one of the great stories in all of comicdom

[BatsDC]

Thanos

I don't want to have to wait for him to be in a third film where we might get god damn recasts since it will be quite a few years away.

I really do not get the appeal of Ultron, he's a ****ing robot.

Nearly everyone is signed on till then. RDJ is the only one that isn't, and he might not even be in A2 because his contract runs out after IM3, although I imagine that Disney and Marvel will sign him up for as long as the current main cast by flashing some big money his way.

[BigThor]

Thanos = the new "it guy" on the MCU boards.

[Chris B]

A lot of presumptions on my part, but here's my take on how the Masters of Evil line-up could look in the MCU:

Zemo
Malekith
Whirlwind
Abomination
Leader
Ezekiel Stane?

The last one is a bit random, but bringing back a previous Iron Man villain is hard since they're all dead of course, and I can't see the Mandarin joining a team. I figure with Ezekiel, there would be room to tie him back to IM1.

[jaqua99]

Yeah but I have a feeling that Ultron is gonna be the villain in A2, I don't think Joss can ignore such a big Avenger's villain.

Yup as do I. You and I have been praying this forever BT!!!

I'm still not entirely convinced about Ultron. I'm still keen on seeing the Avengers go up against their equivalent with a team of villains. So that it looks like this.

Group of individuals form a team to fight one guy (No contest)
A team fights another team in Avengers 2 (Evenly matched)
Hero versus hero in Avengers 3 (Oh the drama!)

It would be cool if they could use the Cabal as a Phase 2 lynchpin for example. They've already sort of hinted at it with the bureacrats in Avengers 1.

I dtrongly disagree.

Thanos

I don't want to have to wait for him to be in a third film where we might get god damn recasts since it will be quite a few years away.

I really do not get the appeal of Ultron, he's a ****ing robot.

Are you serious?

Well for one, he turns a very good man into a broken disturbed person, really makes people think about their position in the world, really thinks, there is something to what Ultron is trying to do.

And he is probably the BEST avengers villain. It is inevitable. Ultron will be a villain for the avengers in the movie verse.

I honestly can't believe you don't see the appeal and think he is a "****ing robot"

he is so much more than just a robot

[jaqua99]

They would never let Thanos win.... If they did I would be very upset

Well, I mean I could see them have him win by assembling the gauntlet.

Bare with me. If he assembles the gauntlet, if he is able to defeat the avengers at one point (which will happen), then gain universal power.

That is part of his goal. But then, if they defeat him, and kill him.

Won't he still win?

He assembled the gauntlet, did what he wanted. Gained universal power. And then died, since we all know how much he welcomes death. Come to think of it, from his perspective, live, die, isn't it a win win scenario for him?

The first villain that comes to my mind when I think about The Avengers is Ultron, followed by Kang (my 2nd favorite Avengers villain).

Same, I prefer Ultron

[BigThor]

Yup as do I. You and I have been praying this forever BT!!!

Hell yes and I'm going to continue to do so until the actual villain for Avengers 2 is announced. :word:

[catintheengine]

I don't know that Thanos would really invite death. As far as I know, his main motivation is that he wants to "court Death", or "appease Death", by committing universal genocide.

So, he could probably look at the Avengers as a challenge. For him, as a character, he probably sees the Avengers as "big game."

[terry78]

Thanos basically would be viewed as some kind of cosmic large scale psycho serial killer. Seeing visions of "Death" and wanting to impress her by killing billions. The character itself wouldn't exist in the movie-verse, but we'd see her visually as he would, a delusion.

[BlackFox]

Thano,s now I've seen him I want him for mass scrap in the sequal!!

[Silvermoth]

A mass crap?

[jaqua99]

I don't know that Thanos would really invite death. As far as I know, his main motivation is that he wants to "court Death", or "appease Death", by committing universal genocide.

So, he could probably look at the Avengers as a challenge. For him, as a character, he probably sees the Avengers as "big game."

I've said it all along, sure, Thanos may attack the avengers, seeing them as big game. But there is just too much going on. With what was said in the beginning of the movie to Thanos, by The Other. Knowing the Gauntlet exists. They aren't going to put that in there, just to have him attack earth, and the avengers. Sure, if his story stretches out to avengers 2, and 3, then yeah, he could attack the avengers, and then move on.

But the climax of the Thanos story, I see it as the avengers having to STOP Thanos from whatever it is he is planning, oppose to him just, coming to earth and attacking the avengers, then loosing?

Someone please tell me, I CAN'T be the only one who thinks this will happen, am I? With what we know about the character, his levels of destruction, and planning, and with what was said at the beginning of the avengers to thanos "The world will be his, the universe, yours", it just seems not right to simply have him attack the avengers, and then have his story end. Sure I can see him launching an attack on them and beating them, maybe at the avengers 2, but for the 3rd movie, or the second, however many there is with him, his climax will more than likely the avengers stopping him from completing his universal plan, oppose to him just...simply attacking the avengers...which is what A LOT of people here seem to be thinking, and in my opinion, is not what will happen

am I the only one who thinks this?

Thanos basically would be viewed as some kind of cosmic large scale psycho serial killer. Seeing visions of "Death" and wanting to impress her by killing billions. The character itself wouldn't exist in the movie-verse, but we'd see her visually as he would, a delusion.

As said many times before, I like this, some sort of hallucination.

[Still A ThorFan]

Just for fun I'd love to watch Thor, Cap and Iron Man take on the Wrecking Crew, just put them in there for a good 10 minutes then get on with the story. Damn that would be so cool.

[jaqua99]

I've said it all along, sure, Thanos may attack the avengers, seeing them as big game. But there is just too much going on. With what was said in the beginning of the movie to Thanos, by The Other. Knowing the Gauntlet exists. They aren't going to put that in there, just to have him attack earth, and the avengers. Sure, if his story stretches out to avengers 2, and 3, then yeah, he could attack the avengers, and then move on.

But the climax of the Thanos story, I see it as the avengers having to STOP Thanos from whatever it is he is planning, oppose to him just, coming to earth and attacking the avengers, then loosing?

Someone please tell me, I CAN'T be the only one who thinks this will happen, am I? With what we know about the character, his levels of destruction, and planning, and with what was said at the beginning of the avengers to thanos "The world will be his, the universe, yours", it just seems not right to simply have him attack the avengers, and then have his story end. Sure I can see him launching an attack on them and beating them, maybe at the avengers 2, but for the 3rd movie, or the second, however many there is with him, his climax will more than likely the avengers stopping him from completing his universal plan, oppose to him just...simply attacking the avengers...which is what A LOT of people here seem to be thinking, and in my opinion, is not what will happen

am I the only one who thinks this?



I guess I am lol

[BigThor]

Just for fun I'd love to watch Thor, Cap and Iron Man take on the Wrecking Crew, just put them in there for a good 10 minutes then get on with the story. Damn that would be so cool.

I'd rather see Thor kick their asses himself, that could be his film "intro" of sorts.

[Still A ThorFan]

I'd rather see Thor kick their asses himself, that could be his film "intro" of sorts.

Yeah that would work, or maybe for Thor 3 since it looks like Thor 2 is already filled. Man I can't wait.

[KangConquers]

It's a shame there's such a fixation on Ultron. If you actually pick up Avengers Vol 1 and read it from issue 1-503, Kang is clearly the more important compelling Avengers villain, with 3 times as many appearances, more complex, philosophical issues, and more great stories.

Ultron is sort of a 1-dimensional rage monster with daddy issues, where as Kang has a myriad of interesting issues. I guess people just hate the go-go boots and say "Time travel gives me a headache."

[DrCosmic]

Here's my thought right now:

Ultron, uses his computer know how to subsersively bring the villain from Cap 2, Justin Hammer, Mandarin (or whoever survives IM3), Abomination, The Leader, and Kurse together to put the smackdown on the Avengers in clever ways. They are defeated and then Ultron springs his delicious ultimate trap, and takes on all the Avengers single handedly. Booyah.

[Chewy]

It's a shame there's such a fixation on Ultron. If you actually pick up Avengers Vol 1 and read it from issue 1-503, Kang is clearly the more important compelling Avengers villain, with 3 times as many appearances, more complex, philosophical issues, and more great stories.

Ultron is sort of a 1-dimensional rage monster with daddy issues, where as Kang has a myriad of interesting issues. I guess people just hate the go-go boots and say "Time travel gives me a headache."
i don't want time travel in the Avengers movies. Makes things unnecessarily complicated.

[KangConquers]

i don't want time travel in the Avengers movies. Makes things unnecessarily complicated.

And I don't want emo robots, so we're even.

[Chewy]

They can make Ultron a hipster, then

[KangConquers]

They can make Ultron a hipster, then

Make him an ice road trucker and I'm sold.

[MovieMaster]

Any ideas for potential Kang stories that could be used in Avengers 2?

[Chewy]

I'm pretty sure it's just going to be Thanos anyway

[KangConquers]

I'm pretty sure it's just going to be Thanos anyway

Definitely. Thanos will be in A2, and the Civil War will be A3.

I don't think we're going to get either Ultron or Kang in this trilogy.

[KangConquers]

Any ideas for potential Kang stories that could be used in Avengers 2?

Kang has 3 major goals

1. Avoiding his destiny: Kang goes from an ideal young genius, to a Warlord, to something of a cosmic custodian over the course of his life. Due to the complexities of time travel, Kang is often warring with his younger self (Iron Lad, who doesn't want to grow up to be a genocidal villain) or his older self (Immortus, who Kang views as a stuffy old scholar with no back bone.) Any sort of movie involving Kang coming into conflict with an alternate version of himself, and reality paying for it would be interesting.

2. Reviving his dead Lover: Kang has gone to great lengths to try to resurrect his lost love, Ravonna. One of the greatest stories involved a cosmic chess game against a cosmic being known as the Grand Master, using the Avengers as his champions against the squadron sinister.

3. Conquest: Unfortunately, The Avengers movie sort of steps on the toes of the Kang War, which in my opinion is the greatest Avengers story of all time. The story is basically reminiscent of Loki's War on the Avengers, except Kang actually wins, and rules the world for a short period of time.

none of the stories would translate directly, since many of them are dependent on Kang already knowing/ having some sort of relationship with the Avengers. That said, I still think he's a villain with massive cinematic potential.

[Chewy]

and the Civil War will be A3.
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[KangConquers]

xmkDD5oyy4s

:csad: Unfortunately, Feige is very high on it, and has name dropped it several times, which makes it very likely that we'll see it down the road.

I hate the Civil War myself, but it's an event that had a huge Mainstream presence.

[Chewy]

I only remember him talking about it once when someone specifically asked him about it. And it seemed like he was being polite about its writers more than anything else.

[KangConquers]

I only remember him talking about it once when someone specifically asked him about it. And it seemed like he was being polite about its writers more than anything else.

I've seen him mention it at least 3-4.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-President-Kevin-Feige-Talks-Iron-Man-3-Future-30706.html


I keep hoping, particularly with Maria Hill being introduced in this film, that somewhere down the line we might see a movie based on Mark Millar and Steve McNiven’s Civil War. Obviously that’s a large scale thing, but do you think it’s something that Marvel could ever possibly do?

With the Fantastic Four in it?

Even without, just the characters that you have.

Well, if you want the best, right? I love it. I don’t see it as a part two, but beyond that I think it could be great. That’s one of the best crossover events we’ve done.

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/marvel-s-kevin-feige-talks-future-projects

"Civil War was a great crossover story, with the superhero registration act where the government wants to force them to reveal their secret identities. Iron Man thinks it’s a good idea, Captain America disagrees, so that leads to a sort of civil war." said Feige, but he's unsure when it will hit the screens, "I certainly don’t think we’ll see that before Avengers 3, so maybe that’ll be a good number for it, who knows.”

A guy like Feige will look at the fact that stories like Ultron Unlimited and the Kang Dynasty sold in the 30-40k range per issue, and that the Civil War sold in the 100k plus range, and had successful pop-culture immersion, and chose the latter over the former.

[Chewy]

But again, those interviewers are specifically asking him about Civil War, and he's answering them. Comic sales won't be the basis on which the story is chosen; 100k is still nothing in terms of pop culture relevance. The Geoff Johns Green Lantern stuff was always a huge seller in comic book terms and people ignored that movie completely.

The movies are a chance to introduce some of those long-term villains to audiences, and maybe make sure the next time Kang or Ultron shows up in the comics they'll sell better. The Avengers sequels will be huge even if they're adapted from the most obscure arcs ever.

[MovieMaster]

I wonder, if we see Kang as a villain before Infinity Gauntlet, he'll be in possession of the Time Gem?

[KangConquers]

But again, those interviewers are specifically asking him about Civil War, and he's answering them. Comic sales won't be the basis on which the story is chosen; 100k is still nothing in terms of pop culture relevance. The Geoff Johns Green Lantern stuff was always a huge seller in comic book terms and people ignored that movie completely.

The movies are a chance to introduce some of those long-term villains to audiences, and maybe make sure the next time Kang or Ultron shows up in the comics they'll sell better. The Avengers sequels will be huge even if they're adapted from the most obscure arcs ever.

He basically says in no uncertain terms that Civil War would make a great Avengers 3.

I'll admit that Kang has no chance at being in an Avengers film until a recast. He may actually be used as a sort of reboot device (see the 2009 Star Trek film) for Avengers 4.

Ultron is probably the only classic Avengers villain with a legitimate shot, but I still would bet my bottom dollar on Civil War.

[KangConquers]

I wonder, if we see Kang as a villain before Infinity Gauntlet, he'll be in possession of the Time Gem?

My dream would be doing an Ultron movie for A2 with the Power Gem, a Kang movie in A3 with the time gem, and an Infinity Gauntlet movie outside of the Avengers trilogy. Unfortunately, that will never happen, given they'd have to renegotiate too many contracts, with Evans and Hemsworth probably asking 20-30 M to do another film.

[gzilla46]

I'd want to see The Abomination and Red Skull team up.

[Chewy]

He basically says in no uncertain terms that Civil War would make a great Avengers 3.
Yeah, but he's not going to say that Civil War would make a ****** Avengers 3. He's not going to badmouth the product Marvel's putting out. All I see there is a typical "Oh yeah, that would be fun, could be good" fluffy non-answer. It's not like he's bringing up Civil War, just answering a question

[MovieMaster]

Eh, I think they'll make seperate movies based on IG. If it's a trilogy and Part 1 is something like Thanos Quest with him finding the remainding Gems Cap and other Earth heroes wouldn't even be in it. Hell, Thor might not be. It would probably be the GOTG with Ms. Marvel, Mar-Vell and Silver Surfer.

That would be cool to see.

[Chewy]

A trilogy of Infinity Gauntlet movies? Why would there be a trilogy of Infinity Gauntlet movies? :huh:

[MovieMaster]

Because it would be epic.

[MovieMaster]

And it can't be done justice in one film.