The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread

[Lord]

The Avengers may not have premiered yet, but speculation of sequels never stops so what may the next Avengers movie be about?
Ign says Civil War:
http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/121/1211036p1.html

There is also many fans ideas of which members the next movie should have:
http://www.**************.com/fan_fic/news/?a=50367


I don't say i agree or disagree with some, Civil war would make a great live action event but it would probably need spider-man, not to mention that more heroes and villains need to be introduced (not saying a civil war movie should adapt the comic page by page, but it would be better for an event like that to feature a world full of heroes and not 6-10), so if something like that happens we will still have to wait some time.

The Avengers 2 was more or less anounced by Marvel as being the end of Phase II, the next movie will probably have more members, who i think are exencial are:

Ant-Man ( Hank Pym)
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/ant-man_01.jpg

Wasp
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9gZPVnOXJX0/Tfz6stoUp2I/AAAAAAAAAB4/v2qYghlwoXY/s1600/Janet_van_Dyne_Earth-616.jpg

If they were to add another member it would be:
Black Panther
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OgSogKVkSVo/TUXthLT0sHI/AAAAAAAAE8s/VXQLC89q6V4/s1600/black-panther-marvel.jpg

Now for the villains there are a lot of good possibilities:
Skrulls
http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/08/the-avengers-movie-villains-skrulls.jpg

It's still unknown if Fox still holds the rights of these aliens as they were first Fantastic Four villains, they aparently won't be the villains of the first film as the Loki's army will consist of pirates and criminals of the different 9 realms.

Ultron
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/b/ba/Annihilation_Conquest_Vol_1_5_Textless.jpg

Now, this guy would only be able to be in Avengers if Hank was too, it would make sence for Phase II to lead into a Unicron clash if he was at some point being created during the Ant-Man film

Thanos
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cltmVcJ2vkA/TeAZnMDUNEI/AAAAAAAACi0/8YeYWpAIQ-Q/s1600/Thanos_by_Corpse_Warrior.jpg

He may or may not appear in Avengers 1 but an army of the worst criminals of the 9 realms? Thanos had those as his army during his first appearance, it wouldn't be strange it was Thanos who gave Loki his army and returned in a sequel to look for the Infinity Gems.

Kang the Conqueror
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7309/165464-129201-kang_super.jpg

He comes from the Future with the purpose to conquer the past, if done right it could be gold, but we'll have to see.

The Liberators
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Ultimates_Liberators.jpg

This may be a more difficult suggestion but it's possible, some time ago it was mentioned that The Avengers would take some inspiration from The Ultimates, so why wouldn't the sequel not take inspiration from The Ultimates 2? The Liberators wouldn't have to consist of the same members, in fact, they kind of seemed more like a modern version of the Masters of Evil.
The idea could be interesting to have on film, as an answer to the USA using super people various nations decided to create their oun team and launch an attack on the USA


So, any more ideas of what The Avengers 2 should be about? Any news about the Project? Let's discuss things here

[BigThor]

I'd like for Ultron to be the main villain in Avengers 2, with Antman and Wasp becoming Avengers members at the beginning of the film.

I want to see Black Widow returning to being a government agent and Black Panther possibly taking her place giving us "8" Avengers members.

The roster

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Hawkeye
Antman
Wasp
Black Panther (or they could save him for Avengers 3)

[CaptainStacy]

I think it's criminal that the Pyms have been omitted from the first Avengers movie...Hank Pym is one of the fore fathers of the Marvel Universe.

With any luck, he and Jan will be included in Avengers 2...

[BigThor]

Yeah me too, even though Hawkeye and Black Widow are pretty cool I'd put Hank and Jan over them anyday.

[Icarus]

I want Ant man, wasp, and Black panther for Avengers 2.

[MarvelKnight]

There are way to many characters involved that Marvel doesn't own to pull off a Civil War. On top of that, I think there is way to much exposition leading up to the split, and if they tried to fill that and the civil war into one movie, it'd be a huge crapfest, in my humble opinion.
As for an A2 movie:
I'd like to see Edgar Wright get off his "this is an origin story in the 60s" bit and just switch Pym from 60s to present and put his movie out in-between A1 and A2, then you can lead into Ultron with no problem.

[Captain Marvel]

Civil War was itself a huge crapfest. Seriously, it was the most Godawful event story I'd ever read until Grant Morrison's horrifically bad Final Crisis came along and claimed the crown. Putting it into film with a tenth of the characters and without the years of history between the characters can only take what was an already terrible story and make it worse.

And just consider how much damage it inflicted to all of the characters in the comics universe. How many years it took to undo all of that. How long people spent hating Iron Man and others. You put that into a movie and you're pretty much killing the Marvel film franchise. So no thank you to a live adaptation of Civil War. I sincerely hope that anybody who even puts forward that idea will receive a severe drubbing with a rubber hose.

[MarvelKnight]

Fear Itself was god-awful too, the only thing I enjoyed out of that was the Spider-Man Tie-In.

I wouldn't mind seeing the return of the Red Skull at some point. Hugo Weaving was good in that role, imo

[MarvelKnight]

Who should play Kang, if they go that route in TA2? Viggo Mortensen anyone?

[Green Day]

I want to see an Ant-man and Black Panther and each should have there own film.

[L0ngsh0t]

I have very little background involving the Liberators....however a team vs team movie would be very cool.

civil war I don't think will work, I think you need an identifiable villain.

I don't know what is meant by 'smaller' however Kang the Conqueror seems to be the opposite of that....which is okay with me

[Hawkingbird]

I think Civil War may work if there was a 3-4th movie. It would have to be with less characters. Certainly wouldn't work with 2nd. I think Kang would be brilliant, and a great opertunity to introduce more characters.

[metaphysician]

Ugh, no. Civil War ranks down there with the Sentry in things I don't want to see in the MCU. To make it happen at all would require at least some people in the setting to get giant raging brain-ectomies. I like things just fine where the government *isn't* filled entirely by evil morons.

[MarvelKnight]

Yeah, I read something where Feige mentioned Civil War again. I hope they don't do it.

I personally liked Chaos War a lot. It would be an interesting adaptation if they could pull that off.

[Hawkingbird]

Kree, Skrull war?

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'd like for Ultron to be the main villain in Avengers 2, with Antman and Wasp becoming Avengers members at the beginning of the film.

I want to see Black Widow returning to being a government agent and Black Panther possibly taking her place giving us "8" Avengers members.

The roster

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Hawkeye
Antman
Wasp
Black Panther

I like this, just no Iron Man & Doc Strange in place of Hulk.

[BigThor]

I like this, just no Iron Man & Doc Strange in place of Hulk.

I don't know, I want to see Iron Man getting his armors hacked by Ultron and reverting back to his Mark I suit like he did in the comics & EMH.

[Hawkingbird]

Can I just get this out here:NO PLANET HULK.

[metaphysician]

Agreed. There is absolutely no reason for anybody to try and banish Hulk to another planet. Not when he's gaining control over his situation, and able to keep it relatively safe.

Also, I'd rather not see Dr Strange as part of the Avengers. Let him be his own thing. Besides, what business would he even have their if they are fighting someone like Ultron?

[The Morningstar]

Don't you mean, what business would Ultron have fighting Doc Strange? He'd just banish him to another dimension. Strange is, well, was one of the most powerful heroes on Marvel Earth. The only Avenger that could stand a chance against him is Thor. Strange basically used to be a deus ex machina.

Dr Strange should be the guy the Avengers call when they need help with a threat they can't handle.

[MarvelKnight]

Yeah, strange shouldn't be in an Avengers film. Have him established in the universe, but keep him and Avengers separate. I would love to see a Wong/Strange vs. Dormammu fight at some point.

[slim_summers]

I'd like Pym to get established in an Ant-Man movie, then replace Hulk in the Avengers sequel (but as Giant-Man/Goliath). Happy with any of the big-time villains above - Kang, Ultron, Thanos - or the Kree-Skrull war which would be awesome.

And obviously no Civil War, not least because it wouldn't be much of a war when they've only established about 6 heroes....

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, put Dr. Strange in the Avengers movies as supporting cast, someone who they go to for help with something, but has far too much going on to be able to help. Someone they fail to recruit, because there's really no in-universe reason not to recruit him.

[Hawkingbird]

Is the rumoured FF movie going to be Marvel Studios?

[SpideyFan866]

Is the rumoured FF movie going to be Marvel Studios?

Depends on how soon Fox decides to ACTUALLY make a FF film.


Right now, they just have different writers writing up scripts in the usual modus operandi that studios use.

The rights might go the Marvel though.

I expect that Spidey, however, will revert soon.

If not, expect a partnership (which may or may not already exist).

[The Morningstar]

Spidey will go to Marvel never. Sony are actually making Spider-Man movies. Fox are just saying "We have people writing scripts"

[metaphysician]

I'm going to have to disagree. I think its much more likely that FF will be allowed to revert than Spider-man. The only way Sony is letting that license go, is if Amazing Spider-man bombs or Sony leaves the movie business entirely.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Kevin Feige: "A sequel is anticipated in 3 years, starting from now!"Source: Collider.com (http://collider.com/the-avengers-set-visit)

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[MarvelKnight]

Spider-Man and X-men will never ever go back to Marvel. I suppose it isn't impossible if marvel convinces Disney to 1. shell out the unbelievable money it will take to buy the rights back and 2. guarantee that they will make those two franchises bigger than they ever were with their respective companies. Neither of which will ever happen, imho.

[metaphysician]

I agree with X-Men. Spider-man, there's the small but present chance Sony might leave the movie business, which would give Marvel their chance. I do agree, its very unlikely.

[Captain Marvel]

Agreed. There is absolutely no reason for anybody to try and banish Hulk to another planet. Not when he's gaining control over his situation, and able to keep it relatively safe.

Also, I'd rather not see Dr Strange as part of the Avengers. Let him be his own thing. Besides, what business would he even have their if they are fighting someone like Ultron?

Planet Hulk should take place in a purely Hulk movie, and it should come about because of a villain, like the Leader, sending the Hulk into space. We don't need to **** all over the other heroes in the MCU to make a Planet Hulk movie work.

But yeah, while I'd like to see Planet Hulk, I can live without World War Hulk (And by "live" I mean "I don't ever want to see World War Hulk").

[MarvelKnight]

Planet Hulk should take place in a purely Hulk movie, and it should come about because of a villain, like the Leader, sending the Hulk into space. We don't need to **** all over the other heroes in the MCU to make a Planet Hulk movie work.

But yeah, while I'd like to see Planet Hulk, I can live without World War Hulk (And by "live" I mean "I don't ever want to see World War Hulk").

I enjoyed both planet hulk and wwHulk.. but i don't think it is a necessity for a hulk run of movies.

I'd love to see a no holds barred hulk show on one of the big networks like hbo or showtime or starz or whatever... Not that it has to be ridiculously gory and crazy, but when it had to go there..we could get real Hulk Smash.

[BigThor]

Planet Hulk should take place in a purely Hulk movie, and it should come about because of a villain, like the Leader, sending the Hulk into space. We don't need to **** all over the other heroes in the MCU to make a Planet Hulk movie work.

But yeah, while I'd like to see Planet Hulk, I can live without World War Hulk (And by "live" I mean "I don't ever want to see World War Hulk").

Agreed on all counts :word:

[ProGhostz]

Thanos will be a main villain in the avengers 2 as after the first bit of credits of the new Avengers film it pans across a scene of space and then across to the side of someones head (who looks like hellboy or red skull etc.) but he then turns his head revealing that its thanos, indicating that he will appear as a main role in the next movie.

However not many people have noticed this as its a few minutes into the credits and most people wouldve left the cinema before then.

To be honest my first thoughts were that it was hell boy but after having a think about it it deffinately looked more like thanos. but then again it could be red skull since he was in captain america, but the guy deffinately looked more like thanos which will be good because theyre bringing new enimies into the film series because in The Avengers the main enemy is (spoiler alert) loki which was a bit of a letdown as hes in a lot of avenger films.

Ps. i have actually seen the film so im not actually making all this up :) hope this helps.

[MarvelKnight]

Thanos will be a main villain in the avengers 2 as after the first bit of credits of the new Avengers film it pans across a scene of space and then across to the side of someones head (who looks like hellboy or red skull etc.) but he then turns his head revealing that its thanos, indicating that he will appear as a main role in the next movie.

However not many people have noticed this as its a few minutes into the credits and most people wouldve left the cinema before then.

To be honest my first thoughts were that it was hell boy but after having a think about it it deffinately looked more like thanos. but then again it could be red skull since he was in captain america, but the guy deffinately looked more like thanos which will be good because theyre bringing new enimies into the film series because in The Avengers the main enemy is (spoiler alert) loki which was a bit of a letdown as hes in a lot of avenger films.

Ps. i have actually seen the film so im not actually making all this up :) hope this helps.

Welcome first off,

I haven't seen the film yet but I know about Thanos

It may seem since it's after this film that he would be the big bad for TA2
However, it hardly confirms he'll be directly involved. There is an overall arc that is going to be played out between avengers and the other films.

It's just as likely we see post credit scenes for IM3, CA2,Thor2 and what not that give us possible glimpses into the next avengers movie, much like the first wave of PC Scenes did. That isn't to say that seeds will further be planted in TA2 that allude to the aforementioned Thanos during the next avengers movie.

On top of that, though it's been stated before, Marvel seems entirely too smart blow their wad on their ultimate avengers villian in the first sequel.

[psylockolussus]

To me the reason why I want Thanos to be the villain for the Avengers 2 is because they showed him in Avengers 1. Why gave him the post-credit scene if he's not gonna be in the Avengers 2. So it makes sense that he should be in the main villain for Avengers 2.

[Hawkingbird]

Well Thanos is certainly not Hell Boy :o

[Incredible Hans]

Thanos will be a main villain in the avengers 2

Not necessarily. Thanos could still be somewhere in the shadows in Avengers 2, saving him as the main villain for Avengers 3.

[cherokeesam]

Welcome first off,

I haven't seen the film yet but I know about Thanos

It may seem since it's after this film that he would be the big bad for TA2
However, it hardly confirms he'll be directly involved. There is an overall arc that is going to be played out between avengers and the other films.

It's just as likely we see post credit scenes for IM3, CA2,Thor2 and what not that give us possible glimpses into the next avengers movie, much like the first wave of PC Scenes did. That isn't to say that seeds will further be planted in TA2 that allude to the aforementioned Thanos during the next avengers movie.

On top of that, though it's been stated before, Marvel seems entirely too smart blow their wad on their ultimate avengers villian in the first sequel.

Thanos is great, and one of my favorite villains; but it would be incorrect to assume that he's the be-all/end-all of Avenger villains. Among the utterly epic battles Avengers have fought, there's Kang, Korvac, Ultron, Dr. Doom, Kree-Skrull, Kree-Sh'iar, Onslaught...and if/when Marvel gets the FF universe back, you could pit Avengers against some of the most powerful forces in the cosmos....guys who makes Thanos look like a pussycat.

[marcvader]

Yeah I tend to agree with that. Just because Thanos is badass it is incorrect to place him at the top of the Avengers villains list.

[Lord]

I think that Thanos is better suited for Avengers 3 than 2, he would be a great trilogy ender, and would make more sence considering that Whedon said that Avengers 2 wouldn'tbe bigger in terms of scale but in characters, so i expect Avengers 2 to have Ultron and Avengers 3 to have Thanos, something similar to the Liberators could be possible too considering that the united nations appeared and didn't really like Nick Fury's decision.

[DarthBatman]

I personaly think that Thanos in the second movie would be a bad move. I think Thanos will get a little screen time in the second film maybe as like a puppet master for who ever our second antagonist is but I believe he should actually make his apperance and threat to the avengers in the 3rd movie. My theory is that in the second Iron-man movie he will face the mandarin and torwards the end of it we will get a introduction to Ultron just my idea though.

[cherokeesam]

I personaly think that Thanos in the second movie would be a bad move. I think Thanos will get a little screen time in the second film maybe as like a puppet master for who ever our second antagonist is but I believe he should actually make his apperance and threat to the avengers in the 3rd movie. My theory is that in the second Iron-man movie he will face the mandarin and torwards the end of it we will get a introduction to Ultron just my idea though.


"Second" Iron Man movie....? I think you missed one. :cwink:

Yeah, I think Mandarin will show up in IM3 next year, but introducing Ultron is getting a little too crowded. There's likely to be at least two villains in IM3; Ultron would only confuse the issue further.

Plus, I'm fairly confident that Ultron is the obvious villain of choice for the upcoming Ant-Man movie (yes, it *is* going forward, and Feige has been talking it up quite a bit in the last couple of weeks, and promises big news on it this summer).

[DarthBatman]

Yes true I meant a set up though a post credit scene with Ultron or maybe a Post credit scene with Ant-Man would be pretty awesome as well.

[marcvader]

A post credit scene in IM3 setting up Antman and Ultron would be tight. I give my seal of approval for this.

[DarthBatman]

My whole idea would be this I dont know the exact release date on everything so this Might not work but pretty much I think that at the end of the Captain America movie we get a hint of the Red Skull still being alive and maybe a glimpse of him. In Iron Man 3 we get introduced to Pym in the movie maybe being involved in what happens to The Mandarin and at the end of the movie a hint torwards Ultron. Then the second movie have a duel combo with Red Skull using ultron under him to threaten the Avengers. Then the 3rd movie will be Thanos as the trilogy ender the big fight against The Avengers.

[marcvader]

Meh, you had me till you paired up Red Skull with Ultron. :dry:

[MarvelKnight]

Thanos is great, and one of my favorite villains; but it would be incorrect to assume that he's the be-all/end-all of Avenger villains. Among the utterly epic battles Avengers have fought, there's Kang, Korvac, Ultron, Dr. Doom, Kree-Skrull, Kree-Sh'iar, Onslaught...and if/when Marvel gets the FF universe back, you could pit Avengers against some of the most powerful forces in the cosmos....guys who makes Thanos look like a pussycat.

I know they have had epic battles with many a people and groups, and they'd be just as amazing. However, It'd also be incorrect to assume that he has to be in Avengers 2 just because he is in the post-credits scene for TA1

[MarvelKnight]

(yes, it *is* going forward, and Feige has been talking it up quite a bit in the last couple of weeks, and promises big news on it this summer).

I hope we get something concrete soon. Hopefully it comes sooner rather than later.

[SaF]

I'm hoping that... antman/wasp get introduced in a solo film sometime before the next avengers, setting up the idea of ultron. Then either in avengers 2 they can get those two on the team, and either ultron can be the bad guy (leaving thanos for Av3) or ultron can be involved in trying to defeat Thanos in Av2, and can get corrupted in the process, leaving him as bad guy for Av3, like what happened in Av:EMH when they used ultron to defeat Kang's invasion, but then he went psyco.

I dunno, I know nothing about Thanos, but have read/watched ultron and really like him as a villain, he's so twisted. So would like to see him at some point. Just got/read ultron unlimited, he would be great on the big screen!

[DoubleO_Stark]

Brand new interview with a Sony representative that suggests a possible Spidey cameo in Avengers 2 if Marvel are up for co producing!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgslUro5Mlk

[cherokeesam]

Brand new interview with a Sony representative that suggests a possible Spidey cameo in Avengers 2 if Marvel are up for co producing!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgslUro5Mlk

The great part about that interview is that the door is also now open from Warners for a *Batman* cameo in Avengers 2, too 2

[DoubleO_Stark]

The great part about that interview is that the door is also now open from Warners for a *Batman* cameo in Avengers 2, too 2

I know! Seems like everyone wants a piece of Marvel money, might just be a DC Marvel live action crossover yet!

[Incredible Hans]

Just a reminder... Kevin Feige said about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver:

We both have them. There's a specific arrangement with those two characters that would allow us to use them with "Avengers," but not discuss or reference their mutant or Magneto-related lineage. They can use them as mutants and as Magneto's relatives, but cannot have anything to do with "The Avengers."

[BH/HHH]

I don't think the Wasp would work personally I guess I just can't picture it

[cherokeesam]

Just a reminder... Kevin Feige said about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver:

We both have them. There's a specific arrangement with those two characters that would allow us to use them with "Avengers," but not discuss or reference their mutant or Magneto-related lineage. They can use them as mutants and as Magneto's relatives, but cannot have anything to do with "The Avengers."

Yeah, that's the way I've always understood the way Feige said it, and I'm glad he clarified. A lot of posters here were still under the illusion that it's an either-or thing, but he clearly shows that BOTH Marvel and Fox can do their own versions of Wanda & Pietro, within those limits he stated.

[AvengeME]

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

[BigThor]

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

I agree :up:

[Carnage27]

I really, really, really don't want to see a bigger team next time out. I don't think the movie can handle any more big players.

[DrCosmic]

It's supposed to be a smaller more personal movie, so the villain has got to be someone who can connect with the heroes very personally. I would say either the Masters of Evil or Ultron.

[Carnage27]

It's supposed to be a smaller more personal movie, so the villain has got to be someone who can connect with the heroes very personally. I would say either the Masters of Evil or Ultron.

Ulton is the best choice, IMO. While Masters of Evil would be interesting, it's a lot of villains. Ultron could end up being a creation of SHIELD's experiments with the tesseract and maybe some work from Banner and Stark.

Because honestly, there's no reason to bring Pym in, IMO.

[L0ngsh0t]

For those that want Ultron......i think it's pretty clear who the villain in A2 will be....and it's not Ultron

[OsGom]

For those that want Ultron......i think it's pretty clear who the villain in A2 will be....and it's not Ultron

I think going forward they should have a story arc somehow involving Thanos in every solo Avenger movie until A2.

He is the right villain to use in my opinion. At least until Hank Pym is introduced. IMO Ultron doesn't work without Hank, besides he is the gateway to bringing in the Vision.

[DrCosmic]

For those that want Ultron......i think it's pretty clear who the villain in A2 will be....and it's not Ultron

I don't think it's clear. How do you reconcile that with Whedon's plans for a smaller more personal sequel?


Ulton is the best choice, IMO. While Masters of Evil would be interesting, it's a lot of villains. Ultron could end up being a creation of SHIELD's experiments with the tesseract and maybe some work from Banner and Stark.

Because honestly, there's no reason to bring Pym in, IMO.

Wow, what a refreshing perspective! Most people are like "No, Ultron MUST be of Pym, Pym NAO!!!!1!"

I personally would love if the Avengers, corporately, were responsible for Ultron's creation. Perhaps it starts with Jarvis, corrupted by a judgment call/mistake Cap makes in his film, and powered by the Cube that Thor lets slip away/gives up, that copies Black Widow and Hawkeye's training (perhaps shades of Super-Adaptoid, perhaps Super-Adaptoid is his Mark I version!)... maybe even some Vibranium as his shell from Black Panther (since Adamantium is owned by Fox)... all that good stuff.

That way, when Ultron starts pulling personnel files and really tearing up the characters emotionally, they have an emotional tie to him already.

[psylockolussus]

For those that want Ultron......i think it's pretty clear who the villain in A2 will be....and it's not Ultron

Yeah and if Ultron was supposed to be in A2, he would have been in the post-credit scene and not the other super villain that we saw in A1.

[Carnage27]

If Thanos is the villain of 2, it's not the film Whedon wants to make. That's for sure. I'll take the word of the filmmaker as well as Marvel's desire to make this a long lasting universe over an easter egg, which could easily be a set up for a very long term plan.

Besides, you'll be waiting till the end of the world for Pym to show up. He's not going to.

And putting Thanos in the next one...there'd be no where to go but down from that. I'll stick to my prediction

[souNdwAve89]

I would not be surprised if the tease of Thanos was really just a tease and he might not be the villain in The Avengers 2. Considering how the Marvel Studios heads keep saying that Edgar Wright is near completion or is completed with the Ant-Man script, there is a possibility of them adding Ultron for The Avengers 2 and then Thanos for the third. This would only work if they decided not to go with the Civil War storyline for The Avengers 3 (Kevin Feige talked about it).

[DoubleO_Stark]

This would only work if they decided not to go with the Civil War storyline for The Avengers 3 (Kevin Feige talked about it).
How in the bluest of blue hell do they expect to pull that off without at the very least, Spiderman?

Now that I think about it, if Fox, Marvel and Sony co produced a Civil War movie that would be amazing but that's like trying to convert a Muslim into an atheist.

[Captain Marvel]

If Thanos is the villain of 2, it's not the film Whedon wants to make. That's for sure. I'll take the word of the filmmaker as well as Marvel's desire to make this a long lasting universe over an easter egg, which could easily be a set up for a very long term plan.

Besides, you'll be waiting till the end of the world for Pym to show up. He's not going to.

And putting Thanos in the next one...there'd be no where to go but down from that. I'll stick to my prediction

Agreed on all points. Just because You-Know-Who made a cameo appearance, that doesn't mean that he's going to be the villain in Avengers 2. Think of him like Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars. He's mentioned, but he doesn't actually become a physical threat until the last film of the trilogy. Likewise, Thanos is the sort of villain that you build up to and end a trilogy on. There's no way he's going to be the halfway point villain and cap it off with Ultron. Not only would that completely deflate Thanos, but it doesn't make narrative sense. You build tension. You don't deflate it in your third act. And going from Thanos, a harbinger of universal armageddon, to Ultron, who'd probably be the MCU version of Skynet, would be a massive deflation of whatever tension they build up over the series.

Not to mention the announcement of the cosmic films they're planning, like Guardians of the Galaxy. They're not going to do away with Thanos so quickly when they have a movie coming out which has no less than FOUR characters who're personally tied to him in one way or another (Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos, Drax was created to destroy Thanos, Gamora was raised by Thanos, and Adam Warlock is the Avatar of Life and opposite number to Thanos, the Avatar of Death). Bringing Thanos into Avengers 2 and defeating him would be a complete waste when there's a cosmic movie coming which can potentially make use of him as well.

[Captain Marvel]

This would only work if they decided not to go with the Civil War storyline for The Avengers 3 (Kevin Feige talked about it).

He NEVER said they were doing it. He said if they were to do it the soonest it could be is in Avengers 3.

And personally, I hope they never do it. Civil War was awful. If they put it to film they may as well bury the MCU, because they're going to make the audience hate at least half of their heroes.

[souNdwAve89]

He NEVER said they were doing it. He said if they were to do it the soonest it could be is in Avengers 3.

And personally, I hope they never do it. Civil War was awful. If they put it to film they may as well bury the MCU, because they're going to make the audience hate at least half of their heroes.

Well, I didn't state that he confirmed it 100%. He only talked about it on a podcast, which is what I previously posted.

[usagicassidy]

Eh.... too much baggage. There are other supporting characters in the stables. Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Pym, etc. No need to bring in mutants or radically alter their background. Mutants don't fit the MCU... not yet.

The thing is, they don't need to be brought in specifically as "mutants" (I'm sure they'd still referencing their powers as a manifestation) or alter their background too much.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are a pivotal part of The Avengers world, and as we saw in the cartoon Wolverine and the X-Men, both characters can be pretty badass.

My problem with characters like Wonder Man or Ms Marvel (though I'd never argue against more chicks) is that they're so 'super powered' and 'otherworldly' we already have characters like Thor and Hulk who are mega-ridiculously-powered.

My problem with Ant Man and Wasp is that I just don't think tiny people would translate well to a non-animated film. Personally I'd rather just not see them.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are both incredibly unique when looking at the rest of the Avengers, and their powers could be visually appealing. Plus, putting Scarlet Witch in could set up for an Avengers 3 or 4 where she goes bat**** crazy and who wouldn't want to see that?

If we were to have Wonder Man and Ms Marvel in an Avengers film, I'd rather have them as Simon Williams and Carol Danvers who help or assist the Avengers/SHIELD in the 2nd film and during the course of the film something happens to them, setting them up for superheroes in Avengers 3. For Ant Man and Wasp, I'd rather just not go there. Ever. lol.

[cherokeesam]

I think going forward they should have a story arc somehow involving Thanos in every solo Avenger movie until A2.

Good gawd, no. The *only* non-Avengers movie I could see him featuring in would be the Guardians of the Galaxy film in development, or possibly even Thor. He has no role in the solo exploits of Cap, Iron Man, or Hulk.

He is the right villain to use in my opinion. At least until Hank Pym is introduced. IMO Ultron doesn't work without Hank, besides he is the gateway to bringing in the Vision.

I agree on the rest of it. I'm tired of hearing all this Ant-Man hate & denial...Pym *is* on the way, like it or not. And with him comes Ultron. You can't have one without the other, no matter how badly you want to retcon the Marvel Universe.

[BigThor]

Agreed on all points. Just because You-Know-Who made a cameo appearance, that doesn't mean that he's going to be the villain in Avengers 2. Think of him like Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars. He's mentioned, but he doesn't actually become a physical threat until the last film of the trilogy. Likewise, Thanos is the sort of villain that you build up to and end a trilogy on. There's no way he's going to be the halfway point villain and cap it off with Ultron. Not only would that completely deflate Thanos, but it doesn't make narrative sense. You build tension. You don't deflate it in your third act. And going from Thanos, a harbinger of universal armageddon, to Ultron, who'd probably be the MCU version of Skynet, would be a massive deflation of whatever tension they build up over the series.

Not to mention the announcement of the cosmic films they're planning, like Guardians of the Galaxy. They're not going to do away with Thanos so quickly when they have a movie coming out which has no less than FOUR characters who're personally tied to him in one way or another (Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos, Drax was created to destroy Thanos, Gamora was raised by Thanos, and Adam Warlock is the Avatar of Life and opposite number to Thanos, the Avatar of Death). Bringing Thanos into Avengers 2 and defeating him would be a complete waste when there's a cosmic movie coming which can potentially make use of him as well.

Clearly, people are put far too much stock in Thanos being in the after credits scene for The Avengers. Why in the heck would Marvel use Thanos as the villain for Avengers 2 when he's the ultimate bad guy?

"Oh let's use Thanos in Avengers 2 then bring out the big guns in Avengers 3....uhhh who's bigger than Thanos?" <------ Makes no sense

My problem with characters like Wonder Man or Ms Marvel (though I'd never argue against more chicks) is that they're so 'super powered' and 'otherworldly' we already have characters like Thor and Hulk who are mega-ridiculously-powered.

Definately :cool:

I'm pretty satisfied with Thor and Hulk being the high powered guys but if they do add WM or MM I'd rather it be Ms. Marvel.


I agree on the rest of it. I'm tired of hearing all this Ant-Man hate & denial...Pym *is* on the way, like it or not. And with him comes Ultron. You can't have one without the other, no matter how badly you want to retcon the Marvel Universe.

Agreed :up:

Hank Pym is TOO important to the Marvel universe to not be included, hell he was in even mentioned in THOR.

[Bruce Malone]

For somone who doesn't follow marvel comics what is the deal with thanos. What makes him so powerful or whatever that he couldn't work right away in the sequel?

[BigThor]

For somone who doesn't follow marvel comics what is the deal with thanos. What makes him so powerful or whatever that he couldn't work right away in the sequel?

For one he's able to take on both Hulk and Thor at once with his natural abilities, oh and when he uses the "Infinity Gauntlet" that becomes a universal threat.

[cherokeesam]

For somone who doesn't follow marvel comics what is the deal with thanos. What makes him so powerful or whatever that he couldn't work right away in the sequel?

He's *one* of the most powerful cosmic villains in the Marvel U, but he's not THE most powerful, nor is he the end-all, be-all, "ultimate" Avengers villain that some people here erroneously claim him to be. Hell, he's not generally associated with the Avengers specifically, but instead acts as an ubervillain to Marvel's more cosmic characters, like Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity Watch.

He is far more powerful than Loki, that's for sure, but there's still a ton of villains and groups in the Avengers rogues' gallery that can give the team one helluva fight for many sequels to come. Posters here are just exaggerating (and are just plain wrong) when they act like he needs to be saved for the climax, because (they believe, wrongly) that Avengers will have no more "big guns" to fight after him.

[Silvermoth]

I would love to know who they will cast in a sequel...

I thought it would be cool to see Bruce Willis as Thanos and as Death, you know who would be really interesting? Zooey Deschanel. She has that otherworldly beauty but she's cool as well. Both she and Bruce would work wonders with Whedon's wit I reckon.

I could see them sort of being like the Baron and his wife from 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang'. You know, gooey and sickeningly sweet with love one second, kind of masochistic the next.

[BigThor]

He's *one* of the most powerful cosmic villains in the Marvel U, but he's not THE most powerful, nor is he the end-all, be-all, "ultimate" Avengers villain that some people here erroneously claim him to be. Hell, he's not generally associated with the Avengers specifically, but instead acts as an ubervillain to Marvel's more cosmic characters, like Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity Watch.

He is far more powerful than Loki, that's for sure, but there's still a ton of villains and groups in the Avengers rogues' gallery that can give the team one helluva fight for many sequels to come. Posters here are just exaggerating (and are just plain wrong) when they act like he needs to be saved for the climax, because (they believe, wrongly) that Avengers will have no more "big guns" to fight after him.

You're right in Thanos not being the most powerful villain in the Marvel Universe, but it's his intellect and use of the Infinity Gauntlet that put's him ahead of being more powerful than him.

He also actively wants to destroy everything in the universe while most uber-powerful being just exist and maintain balance.

[DrCosmic]

He is far more powerful than Loki, that's for sure, but there's still a ton of villains and groups in the Avengers rogues' gallery that can give the team one helluva fight for many sequels to come. Posters here are just exaggerating (and are just plain wrong) when they act like he needs to be saved for the climax, because (they believe, wrongly) that Avengers will have no more "big guns" to fight after him.

Has anyone said that? What's been said is that there are no bigger guns to fight. You can't even contradict that, because it's so very, very true. There's a reason why in the film

Thanos' explicit goal is taking over the universe.

Because he's meant to be the ultimate threat. There's a reason that he is the man behind the curtain in 1 and teased before a smaller more personal movie. They are building him up.

Could they have done it differently? Maybe, but at this point, thinking he'll get paid off in 2 and that the Avengers trilogy will suddenly take a new direction with a new background baddie in #3 just sounds silly.

[DrCosmic]

For somone who doesn't follow marvel comics what is the deal with thanos. What makes him so powerful or whatever that he couldn't work right away in the sequel?

Thanos' schtick is that he's a super powerful alien with a vast army (the one he lent to Loki, it seems) that is out to get an uber-powerful device that will make him virtually omnipotent. In the comics, it's the Infinity Gauntlet, in the movies it says he's questing for the Cosmic Cube in his plan to take the Universe. A comic fan might assume that the Infinity Gauntlet are coming because they were in the comics, but that doesn't really fit with what happened in the films.

The problem with making him the main villain for the sequel is that 1) Since he's the background villain for 1 and the main villain for 2, the storyline is over, and you have a trilogy that's piecemeal. Imagine if the Emperor was defeated in Star Wars 2. 2) Since he is a threat to the entire universe, there's literally absolutely no way to 'top' that. There's nothing else to threaten.

I agree on the rest of it. I'm tired of hearing all this Ant-Man hate & denial...Pym *is* on the way, like it or not. And with him comes Ultron. You can't have one without the other, no matter how badly you want to retcon the Marvel Universe.

I too am tired of Ant-Man denial. He's not in the MCU, at least, not in the current day.

Definately :cool:

I'm pretty satisfied with Thor and Hulk being the high powered guys but if they do add WM or MM I'd rather it be Ms. Marvel.

Agreed :up:

Hank Pym is TOO important to the Marvel universe to not be included, hell he was in even mentioned in THOR.

I too would LOVE to see Ms. Marvel. It doesn't look like we'll have her though, as there are zero plans. So sad.

Notice that the Pym reference was an old man saying he had a friend (usually a peer, btw) who had dealt with SHIELD in the past. That's not an origin story that's coming up, that's something that already happened, a WHILE back. There's little things to hang hope on, sure, but all the signs point to 60s spy Ant-Man. But at least we know that he might be in the MCU, even if he's not in the present day. As an added bonus, even if Pym is in the past, he can still make Ultron to terrorize the Avengers in the present day, can't he?

[Captain Marvel]

He's *one* of the most powerful cosmic villains in the Marvel U, but he's not THE most powerful

He's more powerful than most, if not all, Avengers villains. And with the Infinity Gauntlet he was THE most powerful villain they or anyone else had ever faced.

nor is he the end-all, be-all, "ultimate" Avengers villain that some people here erroneously claim him to be. Hell, he's not generally associated with the Avengers specifically, but instead acts as an ubervillain to Marvel's more cosmic characters, like Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity Watch.

He was never an enemy of the Infinity Watch. And no, he was never specifically an Avengers villain because he was bigger than that. He was a universal threat that everybody has to band together against in order to win. We're talking about a guy who gained infinite power three times. Captain Marvel had to call in the Avengers to help him beat Thanos. Thanos then went on to wipe out half the universe and the Silver Surfer had to call in ALL of Earth's heroes (what was left of them, anyway, as Thanos killed half of them, too) to take him on, and that still wasn't enough.

He is far more powerful than Loki, that's for sure, but there's still a ton of villains and groups in the Avengers rogues' gallery that can give the team one helluva fight for many sequels to come. Posters here are just exaggerating (and are just plain wrong) when they act like he needs to be saved for the climax, because (they believe, wrongly) that Avengers will have no more "big guns" to fight after him.

Name a bigger gun than Thanos, because that's the point. The whole purpose of storytelling is the concept of rising action. You increase the stakes as you go. Things get harder. For example...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Ultron tries to wipe out humanity. Human extermination is worse than humans being conquered. The stakes are increased.
Avengers 3 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe. The genocide of half the universe is worse than the genocide of the human race. The stakes are increased even further.

That makes more sense then...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe.
Avengers 3 ---> Ultron wants to wipe out the human race.

...or...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe.
Avengers 3 ---> The Avengers battle it out over the SHRA.

In both those cases the stakes DROP from the 2nd to 3rd movie. That's not how you tell a story. If the stakes in the 3rd act are less then they were in the 2nd act then the story's a failure.

The Avengers have plenty of villains which could be classed as big guns, but the fact is that there is no villain they have that can surpass Thanos.

[DrCosmic]

^Booyah. This man has the patience to spell it out. Kudos.

[cherokeesam]

Has anyone said that? What's been said is that there are no bigger guns to fight. You can't even contradict that, because it's so very, very true. There's a reason why in the film

Thanos' explicit goal is taking over the universe.

Because he's meant to be the ultimate threat. There's a reason that he is the man behind the curtain in 1 and teased before a smaller more personal movie. They are building him up.

Could they have done it differently? Maybe, but at this point, thinking he'll get paid off in 2 and that the Avengers trilogy will suddenly take a new direction with a new background baddie in #3 just sounds silly.

No, his ultimate goal is *not* "taking over the universe."
It's DESTROYING it. And that's where you show that you don't understand Thanos at all.

He's more powerful than most, if not all, Avengers villains. And with the Infinity Gauntlet he was THE most powerful villain they or anyone else had ever faced.



He was never an enemy of the Infinity Watch. And no, he was never specifically an Avengers villain because he was bigger than that. He was a universal threat that everybody has to band together against in order to win. We're talking about a guy who gained infinite power three times. Captain Marvel had to call in the Avengers to help him beat Thanos. Thanos then went on to wipe out half the universe and the Silver Surfer had to call in ALL of Earth's heroes (what was left of them, anyway, as Thanos killed half of them, too) to take him on, and that still wasn't enough.



Name a bigger gun than Thanos, because that's the point. The whole purpose of storytelling is the concept of rising action. You increase the stakes as you go. Things get harder. For example...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Ultron tries to wipe out humanity. Human extermination is worse than humans being conquered. The stakes are increased.
Avengers 3 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe. The genocide of half the universe is worse than the genocide of the human race. The stakes are increased even further.

That makes more sense then...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe.
Avengers 3 ---> Ultron wants to wipe out the human race.

...or...

Avengers ---> Loki tries to conquer the world.
Avengers 2 ---> Thanos wants to wipe out all half the living beings in the universe.
Avengers 3 ---> The Avengers battle it out over the SHRA.



In both those cases the stakes DROP from the 2nd to 3rd movie. That's not how you tell a story. If the stakes in the 3rd act are less then they were in the 2nd act then the story's a failure.

The Avengers have plenty of villains which could be classed as big guns, but the fact is that there is no villain they have that can surpass Thanos.

Star Wars: the Rebellion takes on a massive battle station that has the power to destroy entire planets.
Empire Strikes Back: the Rebellion abandons an isolated ice planet outpost; Luke starts training to be a Jedi; Han and Chewie look up some old friends on Cloud City.

Are you saying ESB was a failure for dropping the stakes?

You keep trying to play up the myth that the stakes have to keep getting higher and higher with each successive episode, and that's false. That's Bayformer thinking.

The stakes don't have to be *higher,* they just have to be *different.*

[Angamb]

I cant wait to see the introduction of Antman and Wasp.

Ive only read The Ultimates Vol 1 and 2 and seen the latest animates series... so they seem like a MUST for the sequel.

I hope that other 2014 proyect is the Antman movie. If not, I dont see them introducing him suddenly on the sequel.

[Captain Marvel]

Star Wars: the Rebellion takes on a massive battle station that has the power to destroy entire planets.
Empire Strikes Back: the Rebellion abandons an isolated ice planet outpost; Luke starts training to be a Jedi; Han and Chewie look up some old friends on Cloud City.

Are you saying ESB was a failure for dropping the stakes?

ANH ended with the Rebels scoring a victory against the Empire.

ESB started with the Empire putting the Rebels on the run and ended with Luke getting his hand chopped off and Han frozen in liquid carbonite. That looks like an increase in stakes to me.

And don't forget that ROTJ ended with a Death Star that was even bigger than the first and the Emperor being a full-fledged villain.

You keep trying to play up the myth that the stakes have to keep getting higher and higher with each successive episode, and that's false. That's Bayformer thinking.

Bayformer thinking is bigger explosions. I'm talking about basic story structure which even cavemen understood when they were painting on caves.

Caveman hunt sabertooth.
Cavement kill rabbit to sustain himself in hunt.
Caveman kill sabertooth and drag carcass back.

That's a better story than...

Caveman hunt sabertooth.
Caveman kill sabertooth.
Caveman kill rabbit on way back.

In the latter case, the story's deflated a bit by having the most significant event occur in the middle of the story as opposed to the end.

The stakes don't have to be *higher,* they just have to be *different.*

When you're dealing with these sorts of movies, then yeah, they have to be higher. Do you really think having a third movie about a planetary threat won't be just a little bit of a letdown if it followed a movie which was about a universal armageddon?

[cherokeesam]

ANH ended with the Rebels scoring a victory against the Empire.

ESB started with the Empire putting the Rebels on the run and ended with Luke getting his hand chopped off and Han frozen in liquid carbonite. That looks like an increase in stakes to me.

And don't forget that ROTJ ended with a Death Star that was even bigger than the first and the Emperor being a full-fledged villain.



Bayformer thinking is bigger explosions. I'm talking about basic story structure which even cavemen understood when they were painting on caves.

Caveman hunt sabertooth.
Cavement kill rabbit to sustain himself in hunt.
Caveman kill sabertooth and drag carcass back.

That's a better story than...

Caveman hunt sabertooth.
Caveman kill sabertooth.
Caveman kill rabbit on way back.

In the latter case, the story's deflated a bit by having the most significant event occur in the middle of the story as opposed to the end.



When you're dealing with these sorts of movies, then yeah, they have to be higher. Do you really think having a third movie about a planetary threat won't be just a little bit of a letdown if it followed a movie which was about a universal armageddon?

The X-trilogy began with a bang and a massive battle in NYC. The sequel went smaller in scale, and involved just a small-scale assault on an "abandoned" military base/lab, and yet the stakes became *much* higher....and most folks consider X2 to be the best in the trilogy. Then the "build up" led to the highest stakes of all, and a massive no-holds barred clash of Mutant and Brotherhood....and everyone *hated* it. POTC and TF continually follow the formula you've laid out, and it's worked great for box office, but *lousy* for story.

Bigger is not better. There comes a point where audiences just get numbed to that kind of overkill. Whedon has already hinted that TA2 will be smaller and more personal; and yet I can guarantee you that he'll still be increasing the tension and building the drama *without* having to make a sequel that's "bigger" than Avengers 1.

[Captain Marvel]

You know what? You're right.

And that is why Thanos will be appearing in Avengers 3 rather than Avengers 2. :)

[Great Mind(s)]

Here's a clever way to do CIVIL WAR imo... have it occur at the END of Avengers 2 and have "Phase 3" of the solo movies take place during CIVIL WAR. Thus leading up to Avengers 3: Reassembled (vs Thanos).

[cherokeesam]

You know what? You're right.

And that is why Thanos will be appearing in Avengers 3 rather than Avengers 2. :)


He can still appear in Avengers 2, in a *smaller* role. That's what I'm saying. The big face-off doesn't happen until Avengers 3, but Thanos is still a visible presence (with dialogue and everything) in Avengers 2. And a fairly prominent role in GOTG, *if* GOTG comes out before 2017.

[Captain Marvel]

He can still appear in Avengers 2, in a *smaller* role. That's what I'm saying. The big face-off doesn't happen until Avengers 3, but Thanos is still a visible presence (with dialogue and everything) in Avengers 2. And a fairly prominent role in GOTG, *if* GOTG comes out before 2017.

That's actually what I've been saying the whole time. I always argued that he could appear in Avengers 2 in a small, background role. The only thing I was disputing is the idea that he'd be the central villain in Avengers 2, after which he would be disposed of, which is just ludicrous.

And personally I'm hoping he turns up in Guardians of the Galaxy, maybe even as an ally. If the enemy is the Universal Church of Truth then they could do a loose adaptation of the storyline where Thanos teams up with Adam Warlock to take down the Magus.

[cherokeesam]

That's actually what I've been saying the whole time. I always argued that he could appear in Avengers 2 in a small, background role. The only thing I was disputing is the idea that he'd be the central villain in Avengers 2, after which he would be disposed of, which is just ludicrous.

And personally I'm hoping he turns up in Guardians of the Galaxy, maybe even as an ally. If the enemy is the Universal Church of Truth then they could do a loose adaptation of the storyline where Thanos teams up with Adam Warlock to take down the Magus.

I don't want to see Thanos "disposed of," ever. In Avengers 2 or 3 or Umpteen.
But then again, he's been "killed" several times, often ignominiously. (Ka-Zar comes to mind....) But when your main squeeze is Death Herself, you never really die.

[Captain Marvel]

I don't want to see Thanos "disposed of," ever. In Avengers 2 or 3 or Umpteen.
But then again, he's been "killed" several times, often ignominiously. (Ka-Zar comes to mind....) But when your main squeeze is Death Herself, you never really die.

I figure Thanos dying when he's defeated is a given, but Avengers 3 is the most sensible place for it to occur. And hopefully after he's appeared in Guardians of the Galaxy as well. Though yeah, it'd be nice if he did survive his big turn as a villain. Even once he ends his run on the Avengers, it'd be pretty great if he'd continue to play a role in the Guardians of the Galaxy film series (Which I hope beyond hope is going to be wildly successful. I'm still amazed and ecstatic that there's actually going to be a movie with Adam Warlock, Gamorra, Drax the Destroyer, Rocket Raccoon, and Groot!).

LOL! And I just noticed a user named Rocket Raccoon is viewing this thread! :D

[Rocket_Raccoon]

This is my attempt to help clear some of the confusion people are having...

to everyone who is assuming because thanos was show at the end of the avengers that thanos must therefore be the main villain in the avengers 2

this is why i think people are disagreeing with you

just because their is a scene at the end of a marvel movie does not mean it has something to do with the sequel of that movie, for example at the end of Iron Man 2 we are shown agent coulson and thor's hammer which set up thor as the next marvel movie which was thor... that means thanos being show does not mean he has to be the main villain in the avengers 2

what i guess i am trying to say in the simplest terms is that the post credit scene theme that marvel has been using, is mainly to set up this shared marvel cinematic universe and sometimes to directly help set up another marvel movie

iron man 1 - introduces nick fury and the avengers initiative
hulk - tony stark talking to ross about the giant green rage monster
iron man 2 - reveals thor's hammer and sets up thor has the next movie
thor - sets up the cosmic cube (for capt america and also the avengers), Selvig working with SHIELD and loki
capt america - scene w/ fury getting capt america to join the avengers/shield and basically a trailer for the avengers

the theory i am currently prescribing to is that thanos will be the main villain in the avengers 3 and possibly as a puppet master in the avengers 2 much like in the avengers 1 (with the off chance that he could be doing this in thor 2 as well since that is where the infinity gauntlet and the cosmic cube now reside)

also, i think the post credit scene could be like the one in thor where it helps set up two movies... by setting up thanos for the guardians of the galaxy movie

I am not saying that thanos won't be in the avengers 2, i am hoping he will be in it but in the background moving chess pieces but in a way where he is referenced or seen more than in the avengers 1, im just saying he won't be the main villain

[Stark Bauer]

‘Avengers’: Joss Whedon talks sequel, ‘Buffy’ and ‘X-Men’ parallels

May 15, 2012 | 6:08 p.m.
http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/joss.jpg?w=600&h=371 (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/15/avengers-joss-whedon-talks-sequel-buffy-and-x-men-parallels/joss-whedon/)Joss Whedon, shown in April. (Matt Sayles / Associated Press)

This story contains spoilers about “The Avengers.”
“The Avengers” passed the $1-billion (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2012/05/box-office-avengers-flies-past-1-billion-worldwide-video.html) mark in worldwide ticket sales this weekend, and a sequel (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/05/the-avengers-assemble-for-a-sequel.html) is already in the works. Does that mean writer-director Joss Whedon will be back at the helm of the franchise that unites Marvel’s box-office heavyweights, including Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the Hulk?
“You know, I’m very torn,” Whedon said in a sit-down interview in Beverly Hills before the film’s U.S. opening. “It’s an enormous amount of work telling what is ultimately somebody else’s story, even though I feel like I did get to put myself into it. But at the same time, I have a bunch of ideas, and they all seem really cool.”


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[MahvelBaby!]

Avengers 2 Avengers 3 who cares man, as long as it's done well, and surpasses or matches A1 I'm good to go man, let's do this!

[DrCosmic]

I think ratcheting up the infighting in part two is necessary, and a good direction to go in, and that's the closest we'll get to civil war. There just aren't enough superheroes in existence to have a war. Maybe the Avengers go rogue against SHIELD, maybe? I dunno, but there's only six of them, and only four of them have any superpowers whatsoever. That's not a civil war, that's a personal disagreement.

[The Morningstar]

I think Thanos will continue to have an ominous presence in future Marvel films. He'll be the "Emperor" so to speak.

The first film did well to build him up as a threat, and we didn't even see him until the credits. I think the best thing to do is carry on hinting at this powerful being behind the scenes, then when he does finally turn up in all his glory, it's a true "holy ****" moment and by then everyone who has been along for the Marvel ride will know and understand what all the fuss is about.

[Boom]

Additions to The Avengers:
Ant-Man
Wasp
Black Panther

With these additions (particularly the first two), I could do without Hawkeye and Black Widow. I'm all for given them mentions (handling SHIELD assignments overseas), but Marvel can't just keep adding characters without subtracting a few, and these two are the ones I'd be least likely to miss. And if Marvel gives us another solo Hulk film in the near future, I could do without him in TA2 as well. But after what Whedon and Ruffalo did with the character, I loathe the idea of having to wait until The Avengers 3 (2018 at the earliest) to see him on screen again.

Villain:
Ultron

I was under the assumption that the Thanos easter egg was just that: an easter egg meant to get fans excited about future possibilities. I don't think it was meant to be any sort of confirmation that he'd be the villain in the sequel. It established Thanos in this universe. That's about as far as you should read into it for now.

[ironmaidenrules]

What if avengers 2 isn't the first time the avengers ? Like between movies, they worked together, fought random villains and whatnot.

That would leave space for supplement material like comics or whatever.

It just seems odd for them to wait4 years to reform.

[jaqua99]

He's *one* of the most powerful cosmic villains in the Marvel U, but he's not THE most powerful, nor is he the end-all, be-all, "ultimate" Avengers villain that some people here erroneously claim him to be. Hell, he's not generally associated with the Avengers specifically, but instead acts as an ubervillain to Marvel's more cosmic characters, like Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy and Infinity Watch.

He is far more powerful than Loki, that's for sure, but there's still a ton of villains and groups in the Avengers rogues' gallery that can give the team one helluva fight for many sequels to come. Posters here are just exaggerating (and are just plain wrong) when they act like he needs to be saved for the climax, because (they believe, wrongly) that Avengers will have no more "big guns" to fight after him.

Okay, I said something kind of rude to you, which you don't deserve, because you are one of my favorite posters here. so I appologize and am deleting it. Sorry guys on top of a bit of explosive anger syndrome, Jon gets cranky and rude when he doesn't sleep.

[jaqua99]

I would love to know who they will cast in a sequel...

I thought it would be cool to see Bruce Willis as Thanos and as Death, you know who would be really interesting? Zooey Deschanel. She has that otherworldly beauty but she's cool as well. Both she and Bruce would work wonders with Whedon's wit I reckon.

I could see them sort of being like the Baron and his wife from 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang'. You know, gooey and sickeningly sweet with love one second, kind of masochistic the next.


:doh:

[jaqua99]

The X-trilogy began with a bang and a massive battle in NYC. The sequel went smaller in scale, and involved just a small-scale assault on an "abandoned" military base/lab, and yet the stakes became *much* higher....and most folks consider X2 to be the best in the trilogy. Then the "build up" led to the highest stakes of all, and a massive no-holds barred clash of Mutant and Brotherhood....and everyone *hated* it. POTC and TF continually follow the formula you've laid out, and it's worked great for box office, but *lousy* for story.

Bigger is not better. There comes a point where audiences just get numbed to that kind of overkill. Whedon has already hinted that TA2 will be smaller and more personal; and yet I can guarantee you that he'll still be increasing the tension and building the drama *without* having to make a sequel that's "bigger" than Avengers 1.

Okay. I am cranky. So I am sorry. We know thanos' goal is to destroy. I think all everyone's point is, atleast mine, regarding the whole, ruling universe thing, is that, its letting us know he is going to be a universal threat. thats it.

Maybe I am only speaking for myself. But when I bring up the ruling the universe thing (only to be chewed out by you :P ), my point was that he said the universe will be his (obviously thanos just destroys) but my point is that it is letting us know that he will operate on a universal level, which will OBVIOUSLY be to destroy. thats that. I think the whole ruling thing is irrelevant. When I bring it up, i just think it lets us know that he WILL be a universal threat, and will not be dumbed down in power, and threat.

Which is freakin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jaqua99]

He can still appear in Avengers 2, in a *smaller* role. That's what I'm saying. The big face-off doesn't happen until Avengers 3, but Thanos is still a visible presence (with dialogue and everything) in Avengers 2. And a fairly prominent role in GOTG, *if* GOTG comes out before 2017.

what the hell are we disagreeing on here!? haha. Non of us are doubting he will appear in avengers 2. Its just, we don't think he will be the main threat. Hell, at this point, I am expecting, as is everyone else, for Thanos to appear in ATLEAST Avengers 2 and 3. Thor 2 is also a safe bet.

Im a bit late, so if any of you want to ignore my explosion of posts here, feel free too,

I keep forgetting about multiquote, its 4:30am, I wanna multiquote them, and then delete them, so it will all be one post..but i cant figure out how to delete. mods, feel free to merge these. I am sorry.

quadruple post -_-

[cherokeesam]

what the hell are we disagreeing on here!? haha. Non of us are doubting he will appear in avengers 2. Its just, we don't think he will be the main threat. Hell, at this point, I am expecting, as is everyone else, for Thanos to appear in ATLEAST Avengers 2 and 3. Thor 2 is also a safe bet.

Im a bit late, so if any of you want to ignore my explosion of posts here, feel free too,

I keep forgetting about multiquote, its 4:30am, I wanna multiquote them, and then delete them, so it will all be one post..but i cant figure out how to delete. mods, feel free to merge these. I am sorry.

quadruple post -_-

Yes, we *do* agree that Avengers 2 will feature Thanos. And I'm not saying you're wrong that Thanos will go on to be the main threat in TA3; I'm saying there's a couple of possible ways to go here. Your way is one way, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach (as long as, again, Thanos warrants at least a cameo in TA2). But I *personally* believe another approach will be the one Feige uses, and that's the "Phase" approach; in which case the Thanos story will be self-contained within the Phase II movies, and they'll move on to a new universal threat in Phase III.

Either way works fine for me....the only thing I *can't* see happening is Thanos not showing up in another film for the next 5-6 years.

[BatsDC]

What if avengers 2 isn't the first time the avengers ? Like between movies, they worked together, fought random villains and whatnot.

That would leave space for supplement material like comics or whatever.

It just seems odd for them to wait4 years to reform.

In the MCU's continuity it would probably only be between 18 Months and Two Years since the Avengers by the time Avengers 2 rolls around.

[smashmode]

Chances we see GOTG cameo to help spin off that movie?

[cherokeesam]

Chances we see GOTG cameo to help spin off that movie?

Magic 8-Ball sez: 69.7%

[DrCosmic]

Avengers is the team up movie that's jam packed for time. I don't see them spending already needed for the stars screen time, in a movie that is only successful because other movies build up to it, to spinoff another property.

[733]

Here's a clever way to do CIVIL WAR imo... have it occur at the END of Avengers 2 and have "Phase 3" of the solo movies take place during CIVIL WAR. Thus leading up to Avengers 3: Reassembled (vs Thanos).
The ending sequence got me thinking that civil war might be up next in line, and i don't think it has to follow the comic page per page to be successful, yes more characters are needed but i think it works into the story line as we think it will be Thanos for the final curtain call. Marvel did say the 2nd one will be more about the characters...why not divide them and then have them assemble again for the final fight for Earth in the 3rd one, makes sense to me if they were to go in this direction.

[The Morningstar]

There will be no Civil War. Whedon is a fan of comics and knows what he likes. He won't be adapting Civil War, because it's ****.

It was his idea to use Thanos, that's an indication of where the franchise is going.

[TacomaTruck90]

Who should play Kang, if they go that route in TA2? Viggo Mortensen anyone?

i cnt see Kang in the next avengers movie or the third one..after Loki staging an alien invasion im just not seeing where Kang would fit into this..didnt he do pretty much the same thing in the comics..I feel next villian is going be Thanos since he was featured at the end of the first film it just makes logical sense

[Rock Sexton]

I think Thanos will continue to have an ominous presence in future Marvel films. He'll be the "Emperor" so to speak.

The first film did well to build him up as a threat, and we didn't even see him until the credits. I think the best thing to do is carry on hinting at this powerful being behind the scenes, then when he does finally turn up in all his glory, it's a true "holy ****" moment and by then everyone who has been along for the Marvel ride will know and understand what all the fuss is about.

Thing is, going along with the time frames we've already seen, that means we wouldn't get Thanos in all of his glory for like 5-6 more years from now. Not so sure I view that as a positive. They better do him better justice in Avengers 2 if that's the case .... not just casually using showing him. He's definitely got to be interactive.

[cherokeesam]

i cnt see Kang in the next avengers movie or the third one..after Loki staging an alien invasion im just not seeing where Kang would fit into this..didnt he do pretty much the same thing in the comics..I feel next villian is going be Thanos since he was featured at the end of the first film it just makes logical sense

Kang isn't an alien; he's very much human, and earthling.
time travel =/= space travel

[spideymouse]

Hey all, I haven't posted here since 2008, when we rightly considered the difficulty that Iron Man 2 would have (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=305004&highlight=) in balancing S.H.I.E.L.D.'s role in a story where Tony would find himself part of a bigger universe. (It's funny, I also proposed a joint Iron Man/Hulk movie (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=304856) back then, which people shot down, but now doesn't seem so crazy (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=384193).) Now it is 2012, just after The Avengers has come out, the MCU has gotten even bigger, and I want to join in on the speculation!

"It is a signal to all the realms that the Earth is ready for a higher form of war."
~Thor, The Avengers

"By not trying to. By being smaller. More personal, more painful...
By being the next thing that should happen to these characters, and
not just a rehash of what seemed to work the first time. By having a
theme that is completely fresh and organic to itself."
~Joss Whedon, interview with DigitalSpy (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a370020/joss-whedon-on-avengers-2-it-needs-to-be-smaller-more-personal.html), March 2012, about how to make Avengers 2 "bigger."

(Technically, both of these quotes are by Joss Whedon.) Thor's blunt statement (and Cap's disturbed reaction) about the direction Earth was heading gave me chills during that awesome 6-way argument scene in TA. Thoughts of RDJ and co. facing the Infinity Gauntlet, the Kree-Skrull War, Secret Wars, etc. entered my imagination. Then The Other uttered the words "court death" and Thanos appeared in the mid-credits scene, and I was equally stoked.

But then I remembered Joss Whedon's interview from back in March. "Being smaller" and "more personal" does not seem to mesh with "a higher form of war" or flow in the general direction the MCU is heading with Thanos and Guardians of the Galaxy somewhere down the road. If Joss writes/directs TA2 as we all hope he will, it probably won't follow one of the "bigger" storylines (perhaps TA3 will do so). This leads me to a couple of questions, similar to some that have already been discussed in this thread.

1) If we assume TA2 goes "smaller" and "more personal," organically taking the logical next step from TA, how can you do so and while still advancing the overarching narrative that ultimately leads to a bigger epic involving someone like Thanos?
I've seen a few members mention The Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi as a model to follow, but it seems much harder to accomplish for TA2/TA3 given that it's not centered around one character like Luke Skywalker. I trust that Joss will figure it out, I just want to know what you guys think about going "smaller" with an actual team, not centering on one main character. (The X-Men Trilogy comparison helps, except to think about the third one hurts my heart.) I'm not a big comic book reader, so maybe some of you can educate me about some lesser-known Avengers stories that accomplish this well.

2) What do you think will be sprinkled into IM3, Thor 2, and Cap 2 as they lead to TA2, and do you think they will hint at/lead to a) a "smaller" and "more personal" storyline, or b) "a higher form of war"?
Phase I led us to "a bigger universe" and ultimately a bigger story in TA by sprinkling SHIELD, the Cosmic Cube, and references/appearances/cameos of other heroes into the first five movies. With the apparent disparity between Thor's and Joss's words in mind, it is interesting to speculate how Phase II will play out as they lead us on the path to TA2.

[jaqua99]

Just remember.. Me and bigthor said it first... With the antman rumors...and the whole....smaller thing...avengers 2..ultron.... It's Guna happen. 2014. Cap 2. Antman. And GotG. Avengers 2. Ultron

[Lord]

Black Panther may be the next new hero in the MCU:
http://latino-review.com/2012/06/05/exclusive-standalone-marvel-movie-cap-takes-place-wakanda/


EXCLUSIVE: The Next Standalone Marvel Movie After Cap Takes Place In Wakanda!

Posted on 6.5.12 (http://latino-review.com/2012/06/05/exclusive-standalone-marvel-movie-cap-takes-place-wakanda/) by El Mayimbe (http://latino-review.com/author/mayimbe/)






http://latino-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/blackpanther.jpg (http://latino-review.com/2012/06/05/exclusive-standalone-marvel-movie-cap-takes-place-wakanda/blackpanther/) BREAKING
Earlier today I blew up my own twitter feed in the quest for new followers and boy did twitter nation respond!
Anyway, there has been much speculation as to the upcoming two Marvel films which have yet to be announced. It’s painfully obvious one of them is going to be the sequel to the Avengers.
But what about the other one?
Without further adieu, let’s get right to it…
Hell yes folks…
THE BLACK PANTHER is going to headline his own film!
How do I know? Let’s say I got it from FOUR different trusted sources.
Marvel is going BIG TIME after the urban film audience and I applaud them for that. Last year, it was reported that Marvel hired Mark Bailey to pen the script and I hear the script is fantastic.
The clues were always there. They showed Wakanda on the map in Iron Man 2 and Captain America’s shield is made from Vibranium which also hails from Wakanda. The Black Panther has a long development history which at one point had Wesley Snipes attached to star. Marvel got the rights back to the character in 2005.
The Black Panther has a HUGE urban following. Growing up in NYC, even though I’m more a Luke Cage fan, every Boricua I knew had crazy love for T’challa.
Who do I think got not only the physicality but the acting chops to play the character?
My money says Nate Parker from Red Tails.
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_%28comics%29)
The title “Black Panther” is a rank of office, chieftain of the Wakandan Panther Clan. As chieftain, the Panther is entitled to eat a special heart-shaped herb, as well as his mystical connection with the Wakandan Panther god, that grants him superhumanly acute senses and increases his strength, speed, stamina, and agility to the peak of human development. He has since lost this connection and forged a new one with another unknown Panther deity, granting him augmented physical attributes as well as a resistance to magic.
His senses are so powerful that he can pick up a prey’s scent and memorize tens of thousands of individual ones. T’Challa is a rigorously trained gymnast and acrobat, showing mastery in various African martial arts as well as contemporary ones and fighting styles that belong to no known disciplines.
So there ya have it.

But considering what was said he may not be a new Avengers member.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm pretty sure he'll end up a part of The Avengers roster by 2015.

I think what Feige means is that there won't be a SHIELD presence in BP as there was in every MCU film of Phase I.

[jaqua99]

Black Panther may be the next new hero in the MCU:
http://latino-review.com/2012/06/05/exclusive-standalone-marvel-movie-cap-takes-place-wakanda/



But considering what was said he may not be a new Avengers member.I think this sucks. I was hoping for guardians and antman in 2014. Gr...cause antman would maybe lead to ultron. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhh crap. I really don't care about black panther at all. Baaaaaa

[Lord]

I would prefer Ant-Man too, but there's still the possibility that it's pushed to 2014 as the 3rd MCU film of that year, or that it's released in 2015

[Alexei Belyakov]

I think this sucks. I was hoping for guardians and antman in 2014. Gr...cause antman would maybe lead to ultron. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhh crap. I really don't care about black panther at all. Baaaaaa

You'll probably still get ANT-MAN IN 2014, but I too preferred GOTG over BP. Not to mention, they just made more sense with Thanos on the horizon.

[jaqua99]

I would prefer Ant-Man too, but there's still the possibility that it's pushed to 2014 as the 3rd MCU film of that year, or that it's released in 2015

Could be. Based on that avengers comic.... It seems like GotG is Gunna happen soon. And I want avengers two to be ultron. With more thanos behind the scene. But that wont happen without antman. So ya...bummed out about this. This aside.. Black panther was the last Stand alone movie I wanted to see

[Lord]

Could be. Based on that avengers comic.... It seems like GotG is Gunna happen soon. And I want avengers two to be ultron. With more thanos behind the scene. But that wont happen without antman. So ya...bummed out about this. This aside.. Black panther was the last Stand alone movie I wanted to see
What avengers comic?

[jaqua99]

Wait... Is BP suppose to be in 2013?

[R_Hythlodeus]

Oh. It's BP then? Thst's awesome!

[Lord]

Wait... Is BP suppose to be in 2013?
2014, but which Avengers comic were you refering to that had hints the GotU would be made into a film soon?

[Chewy]

So as of now it looks like it'll be

May 2013 IM3
Nov 2013 Thor 2
Apr 2014 Cap 2
Sometime 2014 BP
May 2015 Avengers 2

With maybe Ant-Man as a smaller release at some point

Sounds good to me :awesome:

[cherokeesam]

2014, but which Avengers comic were you refering to that had hints the GotU would be made into a film soon?


Avengers Assemble #6. It has the movie line-up of the Avengers, including their film costumes, teaming up with a GOTG consisting of Starlord, Bug, Gamora, Drax and Rocket Raccoon.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38677


Anyway, interesting news about BP, if Latinoreview's sources are on the mark (they often are, so I'm not arguing with them (yet)). And interesting that El Mayimbe recommends Nate Parker for the role; he's the one I suggested for Falcon.

I'd prefer they get an actual African actor to play the role instead of an American or Brit, though. And that they film in Africa, instead of on a Hollywood studio backlot or "on location" in East Bumpuck, Iowa, like they usually do.

[xeno000]

Black Panther may be the next new hero in the MCU:
http://latino-review.com/2012/06/05/exclusive-standalone-marvel-movie-cap-takes-place-wakanda/



But considering what was said he may not be a new Avengers member.


LR hasn't exactly had a great track record with Marvel scoops. They claimed for months that the Skrulls were going to be the villains in The Avengers. I'll wait for official word before believing their "scoop".


At this rate, I don't think we'll ever see an Ant-Man movie unless Marvel finally gives up on Edgar Wright. He said something about filming later this year, but that doesn't make sense unless LR is wrong and Ant-Man will be the second 2014 flick. As noted above, LR does get things wrong so AM might be coming in 2014, or else some other Marvel property.

[cherokeesam]

LR hasn't exactly had a great track record with Marvel scoops. They claimed for months that the Skrulls were going to be the villains in The Avengers. I'll wait for official word before believing their "scoop".


At this rate, I don't think we'll ever see an Ant-Man movie unless Marvel finally gives up on Edgar Wright. He said something about filming later this year, but that doesn't make sense unless LR is wrong and Ant-Man will be the second 2014 flick. As noted above, LR does get things wrong so AM might be coming in 2014, or else some other Marvel property.


Feige has said that Ant-Man will be the THIRD film in 2014. Cap, Black Panther (if LR is right), and Ant-Man.

[Quasimod0]

I wanna see something not related to the avengers at some point. Like GOTG, or inhumans or nova or captain marvel. Luke cage and iron fist would be great also.

[jaqua99]

So as of now it looks like it'll be

May 2013 IM3
Nov 2013 Thor 2
Apr 2014 Cap 2
Sometime 2014 BP
May 2015 Avengers 2

With maybe Ant-Man as a smaller release at some point

Sounds good to me :awesome:
With one other 2014 movie supposedly. Either GotG or antman. I can't tell ya how fustrated I am hearing this black panther news. I hope it's not true . Damn it

[jaqua99]

Feige has said that Ant-Man will be the THIRD film in 2014. Cap, Black Panther (if LR is right), and Ant-Man.

Can you confirm this????? I was expecting GotG and antman

[I'm Venom]

Brand new interview with a Sony representative that suggests a possible Spidey cameo in Avengers 2 if Marvel are up for co producing!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgslUro5Mlk

I don't know why Marvel and Sony couldn't strike up a deal; both companies would benefit from it. If the studios agree, anything is possible, so fingers crossed this does happen, even if not a costumed Spider-Man, to just have Tobey Maguire show up and snap some pictures in the middle of a battle.

[xeno000]

Feige has said that Ant-Man will be the THIRD film in 2014. Cap, Black Panther (if LR is right), and Ant-Man.


Can you give a link to an article where Feige said that? So far I have only seen where Feige has said that there are two Marvel films in 2014, CA2 on April 4th and the unannounced one on May 16th. He has said repeatedly that they will produce only two films a year. It would be big news if Marvel ever decided to do three movies instead.

[flickchick85]

Can you give a link to an article where Feige said that? So far I have only seen where Feige has said that there are two Marvel films in 2014, CA2 on April 4th and the unannounced one on May 16th. He has said repeatedly that they will produce only two films a year. It would be big news if Marvel ever decided to do three movies instead.
http://collider.com/kevin-feige-thor-2-iron-man-3-avengers-sequel-interview/158942/

Feige says, “depending on what Edgar Wright films for us” circumstances could possibly force them to make three films in one year.

[BigThor]

Feige has said that Ant-Man will be the THIRD film in 2014. Cap, Black Panther (if LR is right), and Ant-Man.

Woah did Feige really say Ant-Man is going to be the 3rd film is 2014, because if he did that would AWESOME!

[flickchick85]

Woah did Feige really say Ant-Man is going to be the 3rd film is 2014, because if he did that would AWESOME!
I posted what Feige actually said in the post above yours. He didn't confirm that Ant-Man is official a-go, nor did he say it would be 2014. He basically just said that, depending on whether or not they greenlight Ant-man, they may need to do 3 films in one year.

That said, I agree with cherokeesam that it probably means it would be a 3rd film in 2014. But that's speculative at this point.

[Lord]

LR hasn't exactly had a great track record with Marvel scoops. They claimed for months that the Skrulls were going to be the villains in The Avengers. I'll wait for official word before believing their "scoop".


At this rate, I don't think we'll ever see an Ant-Man movie unless Marvel finally gives up on Edgar Wright. He said something about filming later this year, but that doesn't make sense unless LR is wrong and Ant-Man will be the second 2014 flick. As noted above, LR does get things wrong so AM might be coming in 2014, or else some other Marvel property.
The thing is, the guy that gave these news is the same guy that has been releasing information of Iron Man 3

[BigThor]

I posted what Feige actually said in the post above yours. He didn't confirm that Ant-Man is official a-go, nor did he say it would be 2014. He basically just said that, depending on whether or not they greenlight Ant-man, they may need to do 3 films in one year.

That said, I agree with cherokeesam that it probably means it would be a 3rd film in 2014. But that's speculative at this point.

Oh ok I didn't know it was the interview he was referencing, anyway it would be awesome if we got an Ant-Man and BP movie in 2014.

[xeno000]

The thing is, the guy that gave these news is the same guy that has been releasing information of Iron Man 3


Set photos taken by fans and paps gave more information about IM3 than LR did. They had an article up giving "scoops" about the villains in the movie but they had no idea that Iron Patriot and A.I.M. were involved until set photos revealed them. LR was a few steps behind the curve on that and they didn't give up on the Skrull "scoop" until it became painfully obvious that they were wrong.

[cherokeesam]

Set photos taken by fans and paps gave more information about IM3 than LR did. They had an article up giving "scoops" about the villains in the movie but they had no idea that Iron Patriot and A.I.M. were involved until set photos revealed them. LR was a few steps behind the curve on that and they didn't give up on the Skrull "scoop" until it became painfully obvious that they were wrong.

Actually, the LR source for Skrulls kept on making a point about it being kinda-sorta Skrulls, like a deviant race of Skrulls.

In the Ultimate comics, the Chitauri ARE the Skrulls. Or an offshoot. Herr Kleiser, the Chitauri leader, specifically states that they go by other names to different alien races, and one of those mentioned is "Skrulls." So that vagueness kinda fits in with the confusion that the LR source had, or was generating.

Of course, MCU Chitauri bear no resemblance whatsoever to comic-book Chitauri, in look or description or backstory, so that's kind of a moot point.

[marcvader]

I wish they had given some resemblence to their comic counterpart in order to give themselves some leeway in the future.

[The Infernal]

I wish they had given some resemblence to their comic counterpart in order to give themselves some leeway in the future.

You mean have them actually be Skrulls? I dunno, I think that would have ended up as messy storytelling and complicated things down the road. This way if they want to introduce real Skrulls then they don't have that as baggage.

[Lord]

You mean have them actually be Skrulls? I dunno, I think that would have ended up as messy storytelling and complicated things down the road. This way if they want to introduce real Skrulls then they don't have that as baggage.
I think he meant about the Chitauri's being able to moroh into humans, much like the skrulls. The film's Chitauri didn't seem like chitauri

[adinojones]

I don't think there should be any other Avengers. Because in order to create the same magic, so many times they fails.

[jaqua99]

I don't think there should be any other Avengers. Because in order to create the same magic, so many times they fails.

There should be more avengers, other movies also, they just shouldn't waste the movie on a character like black panther. I'd like to see a movies expanding the avengers stories, and builds upon the Thanos thing. Im sorry, but Black Panther to me is a waste, much rather see an Ant-Man movie. It could be a way to introduce Ultron, the avengers best villian. And GotG, to expand the cosmic side. Those two movies would be perfect to expand the avengers. Hell, pym doesn't even have to be an avenger. But instead, they are wasting one of the film slots on Black Panther. in my opinion, one of the most lame characters. Atleast make it someone more interesting, like Dr. Strange, or something.

Excuse me 4 day old rant, but I can't stress how, disappointed I am to hear this.

Is there any possible way still that The Black Panther movie is JUST a rumor?

[spideymouse]

I don't think there should be any other Avengers. Because in order to create the same magic, so many times they fails.

How do you know they will fail? Many sequels actually do better and are better than their first movies: X2, Spider-Man 2 (I guess SM2 didn't do as well at the BO, but it's an amazing movie), and TDK are a few superhero sequels off the top of my head, not to mention BTTF Part II, The Godfather Part II, The Empire Strikes Back...

Even if TA2 isn't as good as the first, it would be ridiculous and downright illogical for them not to make it.

There should be more avengers, other movies also, they just shouldn't waste the movie on a character like black panther. I'd like to see a movies expanding the avengers stories, and builds upon the Thanos thing. Im sorry, but Black Panther to me is a waste, much rather see an Ant-Man movie. It could be a way to introduce Ultron, the avengers best villian. And GotG, to expand the cosmic side. Those two movies would be perfect to expand the avengers. Hell, pym doesn't even have to be an avenger. But instead, they are wasting one of the film slots on Black Panther. in my opinion, one of the most lame characters. Atleast make it someone more interesting, like Dr. Strange, or something.

Excuse me 4 day old rant, but I can't stress how, disappointed I am to hear this.

Is there any possible way still that The Black Panther movie is JUST a rumor?

The BP movie is still just a rumor (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170951-is-black-panther-the-next-solo-marvel-movie), but it's bound to be made at some point. You're going to have to live with that, and maybe try to look into how Black Panther is one of the most intriguing and unique superheroes in the Marvel Universe. Maybe you'll change your mind about him being lame!

[MarvelKnight]

I'm definitely fine with them adding to the team, I just hope it doesn't balloon up to like 15+ As they get into later installments(past 3 movies..hopefully) I would love for them to sub out some members with others but keep the same baseline number of members (whether thats 6 or 7). It will be easier when they introduce other characters and whatnot. i also hope they stick with people who have a history predominantly with the Avengers and not just throw any and all characters in there like the comics do.

[cherokeesam]

There should be more avengers, other movies also, they just shouldn't waste the movie on a character like black panther. I'd like to see a movies expanding the avengers stories, and builds upon the Thanos thing. Im sorry, but Black Panther to me is a waste, much rather see an Ant-Man movie. It could be a way to introduce Ultron, the avengers best villian. And GotG, to expand the cosmic side. Those two movies would be perfect to expand the avengers. Hell, pym doesn't even have to be an avenger. But instead, they are wasting one of the film slots on Black Panther. in my opinion, one of the most lame characters. Atleast make it someone more interesting, like Dr. Strange, or something.

Excuse me 4 day old rant, but I can't stress how, disappointed I am to hear this.

Is there any possible way still that The Black Panther movie is JUST a rumor?

I have no doubt in my mind that *both* Black Panther and Ant-Man are due out in 2014. And I'm willing to *bet* that GOTG drops in 2015, either before or after TA2.

[I'm Venom]

So as of now it looks like it'll be

May 2013 IM3
Nov 2013 Thor 2
Apr 2014 Cap 2
Sometime 2014 BP
May 2015 Avengers 2

With maybe Ant-Man as a smaller release at some point

Sounds good to me :awesome:

I hope Ruffalo gets his own movie. He deserves it and did phenomenal in The Avengers.

I can't see an Ant-Man movie working at all. Just the name alone will turn people off.

It makes sense:
2013 Iron Man & Thor
2014 Captain America & Hulk
2015 Avengers 2, we get sequels to each character from Phase 1.

Who sees Ant-Man making $300 million? I think a little more than a cameo will be enough in the MCU at some point. Just my two cents.

[cherokeesam]

I hope Ruffalo gets his own movie. He deserves it and did phenomenal in The Avengers.

I can't see an Ant-Man movie working at all. Just the name alone will turn people off.

It makes sense:
2013 Iron Man & Thor
2014 Captain America & Hulk
2015 Avengers 2, we get sequels to each character from Phase 1.

Who sees Ant-Man making $300 million? I think a little more than a cameo will be enough in the MCU at some point. Just my two cents.

I see Ant-Man making $300 million. Or more.
It's got Marvel, Disney and the Avengers backing it up. Hell, they could call it "Snot-Man" and it'd make $300 million.

[marcvader]

I think an Ant-Man movie probably wouldn't be called Ant-Man. The movie really should be about Pym and we all know he's not one to stick to just one persona anyways. I could see the movie starting with Ant-Man and ending with Giant-Man and I could see those names hardly being used at all.

[cherokeesam]

I think an Ant-Man movie probably wouldn't be called Ant-Man. The movie really should be about Pym and we all know he's not one to stick to just one persona anyways. I could see the movie starting with Ant-Man and ending with Giant-Man and I could see those names hardly being used at all.

I agree with you 100%.

Ant-Man is a working title. And the script for "Ant-Man" was always about Scott Lang, not Hank Pym. It's possible that the final product might have Lang as Ant-Man, Pym as Giant-Man, and Janet as Wasp.

[I'm Venom]

I can't get excited about this project. It's something that no one is going to take seriously. As soon as the words "Ant-Man" appear on the screen when people are watching previews, there will be laughter. I just don't see it. Some comics don't translate. I understand the sentiment that most comics are inherently silly, and there are elements of those films that I'm sure were hard to deal with in terms of tone, but I maintain that seeing a person becoming a hero and fighting a villain is one thing; it's another to have a man shrink down to miniature size and lead an army of ants.

The material just doesn't seem to be something that will fit in with the crop of films that Marvel is releasing, and I don't think every comic deserves its own movie. Some things people just find silly, and Ant-Man will be one of those.

I'm mainly talking about box office and reception here, not the quality of the film, and making a film called "Ant-Man" is going to make audiences' eyes roll. It's just a fact. Something like "Captain America" or "Spider-Man" gets through because, whether people acknowledge this or not, they're characters that a ton of audiences have at least heard of.

We'll have to wait and see if the project even gets made. Wright has been talking about this for a few years now and has several other projects lined up.

[marcvader]

I guess you didn't bother to consider the last two posts content.

[Hawkingbird]

I agree that the Ant Man movie shouldn't be called Ant Man...it's slightly off putting for those that don't read the comics. Though us comic readers will probably love it.

[jaqua99]

I agree that the Ant Man movie shouldn't be called Ant Man...it's slightly off putting for those that don't read the comics. Though us comic readers will probably love it.


"Dr. Pym"

or....

"We made this to introduce Ultron" ;)

[jaqua99]

Also, not gunna lie guys, but I miss the hype leading up to the avengers. The two months prior to the movie, all the guessing and what not, I miss that. Anyone else feel the same way?

[I'm Venom]

I guess you didn't bother to consider the last two posts content.

So I guess you want the movie named "The Man in the Ant Hill?"

[Hawkingbird]

"Dr. Pym"

or....

"We made this to introduce Ultron" ;)

and the sequel
"We made the last movie to introduce Vision"

[Llama_Shepherd]

So as of now it looks like it'll be

May 2013 IM3
Nov 2013 Thor 2
Apr 2014 Cap 2
Sometime 2014 BP
May 2015 Avengers 2

With maybe Ant-Man as a smaller release at some point

Sounds good to me :awesome:

Has it ever been confirmed that an Avengers year only has one release? If they do still have two releases for 2015 then it is possible that Ant Man could be April/May 2015 while Avengers is July/August time.

[VictorShade]

So I guess you want the movie named "The Man in the Ant Hill?"


'Tales to Astonish'

[VictorShade]

Have the Pym story, and then a short 15 minute feature afterwards. Introducing the Great Refuge or Atlantis or some other part of the greater Marvel Universe.

[Gabe99]

From Latino Review:
How Spider-Man Was Almost In ‘The Avengers,’ Sort Of (http://latino-review.com/2012/06/11/spider-man-the-avengers-sort/)
Hi folks!

It feels weird to be writing not about ‘Iron Man 3′ these days. We figure we’d let everyone settle into there being no Iron Patriot.

Oh – and I got to do some press for The Amazing Spider-Man, which I’ve been a big promoter of, not that the film is going to need my help.

There are a few stories floating around about Venom and if he’s going to tie into Amazing Spider-Man (probably, because why wouldn’t you?) and a few quotes about how Spider-Man and Avengers could cross over if it was good for both Marvel and Sony (doubt that deal will ever happen). Either way, I thought it was time for me to chime in with my Spider-Man/Avengers tidbit (because I already wrote a long rant on Venom on my personal blog a few months ago)

I was paired with Avi Arad and Matthew Tolmach for my 1-on-1, which was very nice of Sony, especially since I’m not sure how welcome I am in certain Marvel camps (I didn’t get invited to Brave, which is Pixar, which is Disney and so is Marvel – coincidence or paranoia?). I would have loved to talk to the cast, but I got what I was looking for.

Some recent Marvel Movie Universe fans might think that Kevin Fiege is the be-all-end-all of Marvel news, but back before there was a Marvel Studios, all we film obsessed Marvelites had was Avi Arad, and my discussion with him and Matt comes from that fanboy perspective. I tried to hold them accountable for something, and I did, only to find myself agreeing with their reasoning…I’ll be less vague about this when I get to the actual transcribed interview.

Marvel fanboys are tough to please, but I try to represent us as appreciative. We don’t wish death on the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises so they can revert back to some master studio (especially when that master studio plays it quick and cheap sometimes, ask Jon Favs), but we long for Spider-Man to meet Iron Man or everyone to try and kill Wolverine.

Imagine my surprise when I heard a rumor that the Oscorp Tower from Amazing Spider-Man was “this close” to becoming part of the sky line for Avengers. (Hint: pretty surprised).

Here’s the story – last week, The Amazing Spider-Man’s production designer J Michael Riva passed away after suffering a stroke at the age of 63. Not only did he design the Oscorp Tower for ASM, but he has a staggering resume of awesomeness including The Goonies, The Color Purple, A Few Good Men, Congo, Evolution, and the upcoming Django Unchained.

Oh – And the Iron Man movies.

That design overlap, and the stunning look of the Oscorp Tower (seriously stunning) was enough for Marvel Studios and Sony to have the discussion about inserting Oscorp into The Avengers skyline. The Unified Marvel Manhattan Skyline almost existed.

By the time the Oscorp building was fully designed, The Avengers digital Manhattan was already basically rendered and there was some up-conversion that needed to go down, so – for timing – it was scrapped.

BUT – Sony and Disney were going to let this happen. THAT’s the key thing here. Timing just didn’t work out.

That makes me sad. I told Avi and Matt that I realize it’s a business impossibility to share the characters, (“Thank you for understanding that” - Matt Tolmach to me), but wanted to get across that these small, small things are enough for the fanboys.

Matt said they’d love to do more like this, meaning crossovers on the smaller level.

Next step – letting someone use the word “MUTANT” outside of a Fox movie, right?

I also got to talk sequels, mysterious origins and – surprisingly – Fantastic Four (but not what you’re expecting) with these men. That’ll be coming soon. HERE. At Latino-Review. It was nice to sit down with people who respect the property, and I assure you that’s who these people are.

And I’m sure we’ll have some other scoopage between here and there. I’m trying to get on Marvel’s actual Hit List. That’s the only way I’ll ever meet Deadpool.

[cherokeesam]

From Latino Review:
How Spider-Man Was Almost In ‘The Avengers,’ Sort Of (http://latino-review.com/2012/06/11/spider-man-the-avengers-sort/)


At least it shows that Sony and Marvel are perfectly willing to work together, which should quiet a lot of the voices on this forum that keep insisting that the two studios are at each others' throats and would never, never, ever in a million years even think about doing something cooperative.

Plus, if you consider JJJ's offhand mention of Dr. Strange in a Bugle headline in Spidey 2, you *could* say that the case for coexisting filmverses already exists.



On another note, I'd like to offer the very real possibility that we might be seeing Falcon in Cap 2 and, quite possibly, Avengers 2. As some of you are probably already aware, Disney is cancelling A:EMH and replacing it with a new Avengers toon in 2013 which features the current FilmVengers lineup ---- plus Snap Wilson:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Marvels-The-Avengers-Assemble_Promo.jpg

[marcvader]

Interesting that they may be going with this addition in the MCU before other more deserving characters with more Avengers history but I guess he would be any easier insertion than the likes of BP, Ms.Marvel, or the Pyms. Practically no backstory needed compared to the heroes mentioned. I'm cool with it.

[cherokeesam]

Interesting that they may be going with this addition in the MCU before other more deserving characters with more Avengers history but I guess he would be any easier insertion than the likes of BP, Ms.Marvel, or the Pyms. Practically no backstory needed compared to the heroes mentioned. I'm cool with it.

If it's anything like AEMH, or any comic book version of the Avengers, I'm sure they'll be adding more characters to the roster. These seven may just form the "core" roster for the new series.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/ThanosQuest_1_Cover_02.jpg

Thanos Concept Art from the Avengers Film by Andy Park

[Quasimod0]

Love it

[adinojones]

How do you know they will fail? Many sequels actually do better and are better than their first movies: X2, Spider-Man 2 (I guess SM2 didn't do as well at the BO, but it's an amazing movie), and TDK are a few superhero sequels off the top of my head, not to mention BTTF Part II, The Godfather Part II, The Empire Strikes Back...

Even if TA2 isn't as good as the first, it would be ridiculous and downright illogical for them not to make it.



The BP movie is still just a rumor (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170951-is-black-panther-the-next-solo-marvel-movie), but it's bound to be made at some point. You're going to have to live with that, and maybe try to look into how Black Panther is one of the most intriguing and unique superheroes in the Marvel Universe. Maybe you'll change your mind about him being lame!

There should be more avengers, other movies also, they just shouldn't waste the movie on a character like black panther. I'd like to see a movies expanding the avengers stories, and builds upon the Thanos thing. Im sorry, but Black Panther to me is a waste, much rather see an Ant-Man movie. It could be a way to introduce Ultron, the avengers best villian. And GotG, to expand the cosmic side. Those two movies would be perfect to expand the avengers. Hell, pym doesn't even have to be an avenger. But instead, they are wasting one of the film slots on Black Panther. in my opinion, one of the most lame characters. Atleast make it someone more interesting, like Dr. Strange, or something.

Excuse me 4 day old rant, but I can't stress how, disappointed I am to hear this.

Is there any possible way still that The Black Panther movie is JUST a rumor?

Sorry Guys....I disappointed you....:cwink:...but what I meant to say was I did not want it to be bad at any cost....I don't want that they just use the name Avengers and present **** to us...Anyways...I am with you now...Bring some more...:yay::jedi

[Blackman]

Im wondering, does anyone else wanna see Hulk vs The Avengers in A2? I mean Cap, Iron Man, BW, Hawkeye, and everyone vs the HUlk?

[spideymouse]

Im wondering, does anyone else wanna see Hulk vs The Avengers in A2? I mean Cap, Iron Man, BW, Hawkeye, and everyone vs the HUlk?
Not as the main plot line, of course, but hell yeah. Get some Hulkbuster Armor up in there? I'm in.

[TacomaTruck90]

Not as the main plot line, of course, but hell yeah. Get some Hulkbuster Armor up in there? I'm in.

We kinda got that one in the first movie with hulk vs Thor but Like the Ultimates comics that would be cool like hulk ripping apart new York city , if they did that though I hope when hulk goes back to Banner , Cap kicks him in the face in the comics that was pretty bad ass lol ( one of the few things I liked in the Ultimates)

[Hawkingbird]

No more Ultimates...

[xeno000]

Im wondering, does anyone else wanna see Hulk vs The Avengers in A2? I mean Cap, Iron Man, BW, Hawkeye, and everyone vs the HUlk?


No. Hulk is part of the Avengers now. Going the route of having him fight the team would be a regression for the character and the series. They would be taking Hulk back to square one, where he's a villain/menace rather than a hero. I don't think that Marvel wants to go down that path again, after having rehabilitated the character in the audience's eyes.


Instead of returning to the overdone "Hulk vs." theme, they should come up with villains he can go toe-to-toe with in an all-out brawl. He should fight for and beside his fellow Avengers, not against them. Otherwise, Hulk becomes one more villain who has to be defeated instead of a hero.

[herolee10]

No. Hulk is part of the Avengers now. Going the route of having him fight the team would be a regression for the character and the series. They would be taking Hulk back to square one, where he's a villain/menace rather than a hero. I don't think that Marvel wants to go down that path again, after having rehabilitated the character in the audience's eyes.


Instead of returning to the overdone "Hulk vs." theme, they should come up with villains he can go toe-to-toe with in an all-out brawl. He should fight for and beside his fellow Avengers, not against them. Otherwise, Hulk becomes one more villain who has to be defeated instead of a hero.


Agreed; and personally, Hulk is more interesting to me as a hero than he is a potential menace/downright villain (aka Ultimate Version)



In regards to the sequel; I think one way that they could try to outdo what they did in the climax for the first film is have the invading force not only appear earlier in the film, but to see the antagonistic threat actually lay waste to several cities across the globe, with the Avengers being unable to successfully stop them at first, and to see the Avengers go all over the globe and eventually into space to fight against them instead of just confining the entire warzone into one city.

[HeyBear]

If Marvel wanted Hulk vs. Avengers, I feel like it would've happened in the first Avengers film. In fact, I was actually kinda expecting it. I much prefer the way things turned out though. We've finally got a really great big screen portrayal of Hulk. Let's not go backwards from where we are now.

[spideymouse]

Yup, I completely agree re: Hulk Vs. Avengers. KF said (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-President-Kevin-Feige-Talks-Iron-Man-3-Future-30706.html) they accomplished what they wanted with the Hulk in Avengers, which was to get audiences to love the Hulk.
"The plan was make an Avengers movie where people like yourself came out of it saying, ‘I love the Hulk!’ If we’ve done that, that is a huge achievement."
I definitely agree that part of that achievement was to have Hulk develop into a willing hero and a fully accepted member of the team. He now needs to continue to progress as a character, with actual dialogue and personal interactions with other characters AS the Hulk.

[bored]

Personally, I'd like a scene in which Hulk is appointed chairman of a team subcommittee on social marketing.

[Superhero 101]

Cool we already got a Logo
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/171337-logos-for-avengers-thor-cap-and-iron-man-sequels

[Hawkingbird]

Cool we already got a Logo
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/171337-logos-for-avengers-thor-cap-and-iron-man-sequels

I just spent ages putting a load of excited gifs up, none of them worked....

So here's a random Ice Age gif
http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae128/shurkeminaka/gif/iceage2-7.gif
Wait a a second...
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/avengers-gif-all-feels.gif
http://i.imgur.com/eQcuZ.gif
http://cdn.gs.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/avengers-dance-party.gif

[Angamb]

do you think they could announce the release date of Avengers 2 on Comic Con?

[cherokeesam]

do you think they could announce the release date of Avengers 2 on Comic Con?

I think many things will be announced at Comic-Con. And then the future of Phase II MCU will be a lot clearer.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I would like to see, more of Black Widow and Maria Hill...especially Hill...I like a tough woman...female agents are awesome. Secondly, more Thor!! and I wanna see Sif make an appearance. Thirdly, I wanna see Thanos! he looks badass as a villian. Fourth, I should watch some Marvel cartoons.

[Hawkingbird]

Mockingbird!!!

[Tony Stark]

At the comic on panel, Robert Downey Jr.said after Iron Man 3 he is no longer under contract. Signing him for at least one more avengers movies has to be a priority. Even more than Joss IMO.

I want Joss back too, but having RDJ as Tony is a must.

[I'm Venom]

I can't picture anyone taking over the role after Robert Downey Jr. They already showed how much they want him when they increased his salary from $500,000 to $15 million for Iron Man 2.

[Angamb]

I think many things will be announced at Comic-Con. And then the future of Phase II MCU will be a lot clearer.

no Avengers 2 release date at the end :woot:

I guess Marvel will announce next releases during next year, including A2 and Ant-man, in case they dont do it later this year

[BigThor]

I definately second the "more Thor" suggestion, he sure could use a bigger more flashy role in the sequel.

[marcvader]

What a surprise.

[BigThor]

Yeah....don't care.

[cherokeesam]

no Avengers 2 release date at the end :woot:

I guess Marvel will announce next releases during next year, including A2 and Ant-man, in case they dont do it later this year

I'm still willing to bet that Ant-Man will be a third Marvel film slated for 2014; Feige has even hinted at it. But yeah, the lack of at least an "Avengers 2" logo at the SDCC panel shows that there's probably more films/characters associated with Phase II coming in 2015.

I have no doubt whatsoever that either a: 2015 will feature Avengers AND at least one more film; or b: there'll be at least two more films in 2015, and Avengers 2 will release in 2016 instead.

[Lord]

I hope they proceed with that planed Hulk sequel, they said it could be released in 2015. For me the perfect schedule would be:

2014: Captain America 2/ Guardians of the Galaxy
2015: TIH 2/ Ant-Man
2016: Black Panther/ Avengers 2

I wonder if Avengers 2 will have a subtitle, i think that the perfect villain would be Ultron as it fits what Joss Whedon said about it being smaller in scale but more personal.

[thalidomide]

Avengers 2: ***** just got real.

[spideymouse]

I'm still willing to bet that Ant-Man will be a third Marvel film slated for 2014; Feige has even hinted at it. But yeah, the lack of at least an "Avengers 2" logo at the SDCC panel shows that there's probably more films/characters associated with Phase II coming in 2015.

I have no doubt whatsoever that either a: 2015 will feature Avengers AND at least one more film; or b: there'll be at least two more films in 2015, and Avengers 2 will release in 2016 instead.If Ant-Man ends up being a third MCU movie for 2014, I could see them aiming for a November release. Looking at Thor 2's timing, Edgar Wright probably wouldn't have to start production until next summer, which works with his The World's End schedule. So, I suppose it's possible we wouldn't get the announcement until Comic Con next year--but I would prefer to get it earlier, of course!

[cherokeesam]

I hope they proceed with that planed Hulk sequel, they said it could be released in 2015. For me the perfect schedule would be:

2014: Captain America 2/ Guardians of the Galaxy
2015: TIH 2/ Ant-Man
2016: Black Panther/ Avengers 2

I wonder if Avengers 2 will have a subtitle, i think that the perfect villain would be Ultron as it fits what Joss Whedon said about it being smaller in scale but more personal.

Mine's close to that. Based on the rumormill, I could easily see it as:

2013: Iron Man 3/Thor 2
2014: Captain America 2/ Guardians of the Galaxy/ Ant-Man
2015: TIH 2/ Black Panther
2016: Dr. Strange/ Avengers 2

[GoldGoblin]

Falcon is a joke,why not have Black Panther.

[marcvader]

Falcon suits being a supporting actor much better than the King of Wakanda.

[psylockolussus]

Falcon suits being a supporting actor much better than the King of Wakanda.

Yeah and they didn't say Falcon is going to get a solo movie. He's going to be a supporting character just like Black Widow in Iron Man 2.

[jaqua99]

I can't picture anyone taking over the role after Robert Downey Jr. They already showed how much they want him when they increased his salary from $500,000 to $15 million for Iron Man 2.

Exactly why I think it should not be an ongoing franchise

[jaqua99]

I'm still willing to bet that Ant-Man will be a third Marvel film slated for 2014; Feige has even hinted at it. But yeah, the lack of at least an "Avengers 2" logo at the SDCC panel shows that there's probably more films/characters associated with Phase II coming in 2015.

I have no doubt whatsoever that either a: 2015 will feature Avengers AND at least one more film; or b: there'll be at least two more films in 2015, and Avengers 2 will release in 2016 instead.

I agree about antman.

And remember guys, I said it months ago,

3 movies for 2014, Guardians, Cap 2 and antman :P


im a psychic, all my predictions have come true hahahaha

[spideymouse]

Mine's close to that. Based on the rumormill, I could easily see it as:

2013: Iron Man 3/Thor 2
2014: Captain America 2/ Guardians of the Galaxy/ Ant-Man
2015: TIH 2/ Black Panther
2016: Dr. Strange/ Avengers 2Holy crap, this would be crazy. Eight movies in Phase II before Avengers 2? Hmm...

So I did some digging about what movies actually have been mentioned by Feige, and he has mentioned pretty much everything, so there's no telling what the plan is. But I found this this article (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/10/04/marvel-movies-stage-one-ends-with-avengers-in-2012-stage-two-builds-to) from 2010:
There’s no direct quote in the piece, but Ad Age say that Gitter alluded to another big Marvel plan, this one to come to a head in 2017. Pressed for details, her refused to yield, but the date’s the thing.

That amount of time would definitely provide enough time and movies to set up a mega-crossover event like Infinity Gauntlet, but this is an old article and there isn't even a direct quote. Still, in light of how Phase II is shaping up so far, I thought it was interesting. Phase I was 2008-2012. It's not so much of a stretch to imagine Phase II being 2013-2017. It's just definitely not what anyone on these boards is imagining or wants to happen.

[Olan]

Whehen I saw Falcon in the lineup for the New AVENGERS cartoon I had a feeling he might be added to the movie world. As someone that is not as dialed in with the comic world as many here can someone tell me about the character and how you think he will fit into the movie universe? I have vague memories of seeing him in comics but don't kno much about his character.

[Angamb]

Id love to see a sequel with current avengers more Ant-man, Wasp and Black Panther, like the animated series, but I dont think its a good idea to introduce three new members on Avengers 2.

I think they should go step by step. Not releasing the sequel with 7 avengers suddenly.

It would be a great watch, definetly, but they should develop the relationship between past and new avengers slowly, giving it some time to shine. At the same time than the relationship between current characters.

but I have the feeling that Marvel will go even bigger with the sequel, so I wont be surprised if we get a really big team on the sequel.

so lets see what happens.....

[cherokeesam]

Whehen I saw Falcon in the lineup for the New AVENGERS cartoon I had a feeling he might be added to the movie world. As someone that is not as dialed in with the comic world as many here can someone tell me about the character and how you think he will fit into the movie universe? I have vague memories of seeing him in comics but don't kno much about his character.

Wikipedia is always the first place to get the rundown on characters; but in general, Falcon is Captain America's sidekick, who hates being called a sidekick. He was so important, in fact, that for pretty much the entirety of the 1970s, Cap's actual comic book title was "Captain America and The Falcon." He joined the Avengers, too, and has always been a "benchwarmer" Avenger --- he saw more action when he joined West Coast Avengers. Lately, Marvel animated has been playing him up --- he's the "token black" of sorts on the Super Hero Squad version of the Avengers, and the new version of Avengers (Avengers Assemble) will feature him, too. So I'd look for him to get his membership card for the Avengers in TA2.

[catintheengine]

Did I miss something where they announced that The Falcon would be making an appearance?

Personally, I just feel like there is a bit of risk that the Avengers movies are going to end up with too large a cast. We've all seen it happen with other franchises.

I just don't know that Falcon would be my first choice as an addition. I think there are other characters that warrant an appearance before him. That's just me though.

Assuming that any additions to the cast get their own films, I think Ant-Man and Black Panther are more likely to carry their own in a solo movie.

[Lord]

Id love to see a sequel with current avengers more Ant-man, Wasp and Black Panther, like the animated series, but I dont think its a good idea to introduce three new members on Avengers 2.

I think they should go step by step. Not releasing the sequel with 7 avengers suddenly.

It would be a great watch, definetly, but they should develop the relationship between past and new avengers slowly, giving it some time to shine. At the same time than the relationship between current characters.

but I have the feeling that Marvel will go even bigger with the sequel, so I wont be surprised if we get a really big team on the sequel.

so lets see what happens.....
Joss Whedon said he wanted the next Avengers to be smaller in scale and more personal, i want them to in least add Ant-Man and possibly the wasp.

I heard there was some kind of time traveling device that was rumored to appear in Ant-Man so it's possible that he time travels to present day and in Avengers 2 discovers that Ultron, one of his creations has developed a mind of his oun during all those years and is now going to cause problems.

[catintheengine]

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that. Time-travel tends to be pretty messy plot-wise.

I think it's fairly safe to assume that if we get Ant-Man we will get Wasp. They seem like kind of a package deal.

[spideymouse]

Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that. Time-travel tends to be pretty messy plot-wise.
Instead of time travel, could they maybe do a Cap/Tron Legacy-type thing and have Pym trapped in the Microverse until present-day? I don't know how they could explain away the non-aging, but it's just an idea.

[catintheengine]

They could, but at the same time, doesn't that take something away from the Cap "fish out of water" sub-plot?

[I'm Venom]

Personally, I’d prefer if they didn’t add anybody. It’s crowded for a movie as it is…there’s no need to make everyone Avengers. You don’t want the focus to spread too thin, and it’s too early in the team’s existence.

[spideymouse]

They could, but at the same time, doesn't that take something away from the Cap "fish out of water" sub-plot?Yeah, I'm just working with the premise that they're forcing Pym into the 60s for some reason. I don't know, maybe Wright's quote was that it would be like a 60s spy movie, but that doesn't mean it has to take place in the 1960s. Does anyone have the exact quote?

[Lord]

Personally, I’d prefer if they didn’t add anybody. It’s crowded for a movie as it is…there’s no need to make everyone Avengers. You don’t want the focus to spread too thin, and it’s too early in the team’s existence.
Let them evolve, and it's not as if adding 1 or 2 new members is going to make the other characters less interesting

[spideymouse]

Let them evolve, and it's not as if adding 1 or 2 new members is going to make the other characters less interestingFeige has said that we can absolutely expect a rotating roster in Avengers sequels. If you add two characters, perhaps you can remove one or two as well. If Hawkeye and Black Widow are involved in Cap 2, you might be able to write them out of Avengers 2.

[marcvader]

Feige has said that we can absolutely expect a rotating roster in Avengers sequels. If you add two characters, perhaps you can remove one or two as well. If Hawkeye and Black Widow are involved in Cap 2, you might be able to write them out of Avengers 2.

I'm good with this solution. They have a history of going on missions together so I don't see a problem with them being gone for an installment of Avengers to return possibly in 3 or just appear in different solos like Cap 2.

[Lord]

Feige has said that we can absolutely expect a rotating roster in Avengers sequels. If you add two characters, perhaps you can remove one or two as well. If Hawkeye and Black Widow are involved in Cap 2, you might be able to write them out of Avengers 2.
They're probably not involved in Cap 2, Falcon is, mey they can be replaced, but if Joss Whedon makes it i don't think that's as probable considering he likes to use kick ass women. I think Falcon may be a safe bet for Avengers 2, if he indeed appears in Cap 2.

Hulk could easily leave considering that in the comics not long after the formation of the team he left, he can go on trying to live his life.

[spideymouse]

They're probably not involved in Cap 2, Falcon is, mey they can be replaced, but if Joss Whedon makes it i don't think that's as probable considering he likes to use kick ass women. I think Falcon may be a safe bet for Avengers 2, if he indeed appears in Cap 2.People thought War Machine would be a safe bet for Avengers...
Hulk could easily leave considering that in the comics not long after the formation of the team he left, he can go on trying to live his life.I'd love to see Hulk leave--but only because he gets somehow jettisoned off to a certain planet called Sakaar during/after Avengers 2!

[Lord]

I'd love to see Hulk leave--but only because he gets somehow jettisoned off to a certain planet called Sakaar during/after Avengers 2!
Joss Whedon is interested in helping develop more movies with him, but why would they drop him in sakaar? He isn't a threat anymore, he has the hulk under control

[I'm Venom]

Joss Whedon is interested in helping develop more movies with him, but why would they drop him in sakaar? He isn't a threat anymore, he has the hulk under control

I’ve heard people say that he should be involved with the Avengers sequel, which I agree with, but at this point, I’d be interested to see a Hulk film directed by him.

[Lord]

I’ve heard people say that he should be involved with the Avengers sequel, which I agree with, but at this point, I’d be interested to see a Hulk film directed by him.
He can simply write and produce the Hulk sequel, that's kind of what i understood of him directing Avengers 2 and helping make another Hulk movie

[spideymouse]

Joss Whedon is interested in helping develop more movies with him, but why would they drop him in sakaar? He isn't a threat anymore, he has the hulk under control
Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that. I was just thinking how cool a Planet Hulk live-action movie would be.

Do you have a link regarding Whedon's interest in developing a Hulk movie?

[Lord]

I remember a poster mentioning some times but i can't find the link right now.

[I'm Venom]

Have The Leader as the villian and perhaps Hawkeye as a character (those two have a camaraderie in the animated show).

[jaqua99]

Feige has said that we can absolutely expect a rotating roster in Avengers sequels. If you add two characters, perhaps you can remove one or two as well. If Hawkeye and Black Widow are involved in Cap 2, you might be able to write them out of Avengers 2.

I'm good with this solution. They have a history of going on missions together so I don't see a problem with them being gone for an installment of Avengers to return possibly in 3 or just appear in different solos like Cap 2.

Yeah. Although to me it seems like Thor, Cap, and Ironman are going to be definite stays. Hulk too probably. Because it seems like the avengers may be the only movie series we see him in for a while

Have The Leader as the villian and perhaps Hawkeye as a character (those two have a camaraderie in the animated show).

This could work thoguh

[I'm Venom]

Hulk 2 is based on the reaction the audience has had to Hulk in The Avengers. They finally got it right, with Mark Ruffalo being relatable.

As for The Avengers 2, since Thanos is after the Infinity Gauntlet, the Infinity Gems are going to be alluded to over the next slate of movies.

[Lord]

Seems like Joss Whedon is back

http://www.slashfilm.com/joss-whedon-signed-the-avengers-2/

So i think that Ultron is probably going to be the villain of the next film, but if not i hope he keeps the idea of going smaller and more personal, ending the Thanos story arc so soon would be a waste.

[marcvader]

I agree

[Chewy]

This may be waaaaay out there, but Ultron's face glows red, and the red infinity gem is the power gem...

If they wanted to make Ultron truly terrifying, and keep the Thanos relevance going...

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

I like idea chewy! It gives us Ultron and saves Thanos for the third film after he gains more development to make him seem even more menacing.

[BatsDC]

Ultron in A2 and Thanos in A3 would be perfect

[KangConquers]

This may be waaaaay out there, but Ultron's face glows red, and the red infinity gem is the power gem...

If they wanted to make Ultron truly terrifying, and keep the Thanos relevance going...

So Pym would use the gem to power Ultron? That's kind of sexy. Especially if Thanos is shown collecting other gems in GOTG.

[Chewy]

Comic con next year will be ridic

They'll need a 2 hour panel instead of their usual 1 hour panel

* TV show panel, they can show the pilot and do a Q&A with Joss, other creators and cast
* Thor TDW panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Taylor, Hems, Hiddles, Portman
* Cap TWS panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Russos, Evans, Mackie, Stan
* Ant-Man panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Wright and cast
* GotGalaxy panel, talk about the movie with director and some cast
* Avengers 2 official announcement, bring out the cast and Joss and end it all with a frenzied audience

:awesome:

[TheVileOne]

Doubt they can have a pilot for the new show ready that quickly especially if it's ambitious as originally reported.

Still don't believe they will have Ant-Man ready to go next year either.

[cherokeesam]

Comic con next year will be ridic

They'll need a 2 hour panel instead of their usual 1 hour panel

* TV show panel, they can show the pilot and do a Q&A with Joss, other creators and cast
* Thor TDW panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Taylor, Hems, Hiddles, Portman, and Eccleston
* Cap TWS panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Russos, Evans, Mackie, Stan
* Ant-Man panel, show footage and do a Q&A with Wright and cast
* GotGalaxy panel, talk about the movie with director and some cast
* Avengers 2 official announcement, bring out the cast and Joss and end it all with a frenzied audience
*GDT panel on Hulk TV show, along with cast and footage
*Feige, out of the blue, announces SECOND 2015 movie to debut before Avengers 2: Black Panther (or Dr. Strange); amazing director and cast paraded before a dumbfounded (and frenzied) audience. NOBODY saw it comin'

:awesome:

....cleaned up a few items there

[marvelrobbins]

But,we still don't know when Ant-Man Is coming.It could be a fall or christmas 2014 release.It could be second 2015 film.It could come later.With edgar wright who knows.

[Chewy]

Doubt they can have a pilot for the new show ready that quickly especially if it's ambitious as originally reported.

Still don't believe they will have Ant-Man ready to go next year either.
They can get a pilot produced in 11 months, no problem.

And it looks like Ant-Man is gearing up to get started once Thor wraps.

[KangConquers]

I really doubt we'll get a Black Panther film in Phase 2. It looks like these phases are going to be 5 films leading up to Avengers.

[TheVileOne]

They can get a pilot produced in 11 months, no problem.

And it looks like Ant-Man is gearing up to get started once Thor wraps.
I'll believe Ant-Man is happening when I see it.

[terry78]

Who can say now?

[cherokeesam]

I really doubt we'll get a Black Panther film in Phase 2. It looks like these phases are going to be 5 films leading up to Avengers.


You're probably right.
But a Dr. Strange film, OTOH, would make a lot of sense, if it tied in to Thanos. I could see elements of a Dr. Strange film foreshadow Thanos in TA2, and then have Strange make a meaningful cameo (or even become a full-fledged "New" Avenger) in the Avengers sequel.

I dunno, I just got a feeling the Avengers are going to need The Sorcerer Supreme to help them against Thanos. Plus, it's fairly canonical.

[I'm Venom]

Ultron in A2 and Thanos in A3 would be perfect

Why would they show Thanos in a post-credits scene of the first Avengers and not have him in the sequel? That would be dumb not to have him in the sequel if they were implying that he would.

[BigThor]

This may be waaaaay out there, but Ultron's face glows red, and the red infinity gem is the power gem...

If they wanted to make Ultron truly terrifying, and keep the Thanos relevance going...

Dude....hell yeah :up:

Ultron in A2 and Thanos in A3 would be perfect

Absolutely PERFECT! :woot:

[marcvader]

So far all the post credits scenes have led to other movies not its sequel.

[cherokeesam]

So far all the post credits scenes have led to other movies not its sequel.


Not exactly.
IM's post-cred didn't really lead to anything, other than a vague sense that the ball was rolling on the Avengers; TIH's was a total misdirect, since it implied that IM was going to help capture Hulk; IM2's led to Thor; Thor's led to Avengers; and CATFA's led to Avengers.

So really, IM2 is the only one that definitely fed into another hero's debut; the others were either vague tie-ins with Avengers or (in the case of TIH) a red herring.

[marcvader]

I know, but none went to direct sequel. Thanos would be the first.

[I'm Venom]

Yes, but that's not the point.

[marcvader]

Well, you said it was dumb for Marvel to do that and I just indicated it's what they've done all along. We'll probably only have to wait to see him in GotG next not necessarily Avengers 3.

[I'm Venom]

Nah, save him for Avengers 2.

[TheSpartanX54]

Really glad Whedon is back for Avengers 2. He made Avengers what it was. The witty dialouge and the character stuff was probably all him.

Ultron in A2 and Thanos in A3 would be perfect

Yes, I want this. I want to see classic Avengers villians like Kang, Ultron, Skrulls, and The Masters of Evil. Since Hank Pym will most likely be in Avengers 2, I think Ultron could be a possibility. And Ultron could fit with Joss' idea of making Avengers 2 more personal.


* Avengers 2 official announcement, bring out the cast and Joss and end it all with a frenzied audience

:awesome:

I am officially hyped for SDCC 13'