State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 7

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[Thebumwhowalks]

Having a superhero in a high school environment is a lot of fun, it condenses the usual secret ID trope 'If they only knew...!', so you have people bullying, girls/boys laughing at him/her like they are undateable pariahs(although, I guess they have removed that element by casting lookers as Parker in the movies, as opposed to the somewhat regular flawed looking Ditko version, but they could have it that he is looked down on as a science geek or whatever).... the Lee/Ditko high school stuff was some of the best comics ever written, and the first three seasons of buffy were amongst the best, arguably because of this.

It's also good cause, going back to the original concept of Spider-man as the first kid superhero who was not a sidekick, everyone who reads comics as a kid fantasise at some point about being a superhero, so here we get to watch one was actually was, at that period in your life, when there were so many times you wished you had powers cause of all the jerks you had no choice but to deal with everyday.

I'm looking forward to it a great deal, i hope they set the sequel during his high school days as well. I wanna see a proper adaptation of the interactiosn between him and Flash Thompson, like the classic books, i don't know what they did in the ultimate version, made Flash a school pervert who wears a raincoat or whatever, but i wanna see the ginger loudmouth who is Spidey's biggest fan and Pete's nemesis at the same time.

exactly. spiderman is wish fulfillment for the shy geeky kid at its primordial roots.

but, with the twist that it never quite goes right for him, no matter what he does.

'primordial roots'? haha , the last time I got my hair streaked like that it made my parents mud!

[kedrell]

I will say I'm looking forward to ASM more than any of the previous 3 movies. I barely even knew the first movie was coming out until it was about to hit theaters.

[gwynplaine]

He seems like a nice guy, but regardless I don't really like Cameron Crowe's movies in general, but "We Bought a Zoo" looks even worse than usual.

[gwynplaine]

I will say I'm looking forward to ASM more than any of the previous 3 movies. I barely even knew the first movie was coming out until it was about to hit theaters.
Not being a big fan of Raimi's SM movies myself, I'm looking forward to ASM as well. Also I think Garfield is a great actor. I hope Webb can pull it off though, I didn't think 500 days was that good.

[bullets]

I will say I'm looking forward to ASM more than any of the previous 3 movies. I barely even knew the first movie was coming out until it was about to hit theaters.


I'm guessing ASM will be much better. I was just amazed to see Spider-man on film but I never really liked Toby as Parker. Now I think they'll be able to get it right. Not to say I didn't enjoy the other films but certain aspects were uneven to me.

[Parker Wayne]

I didn't think 500 days was that good.

Take it back. :waa:

[gwynplaine]

Take it back. :waa:
Haha, ok. Anyway I should have said instead that it didn't really do it for me. But since so many people seem to love it, maybe I should give it a second chance. Looking forward to ASM.

[DyeLorean]

I didn't think Tropic Thunder was really THAT funny. The actors, the plot, the idea was very good, but I hate to admit that besides a few scenes, I didn't laugh a lot.

[Parker Wayne]

Haha, ok. Anyway I should have said instead that it didn't really do it for me. But since so many people seem to love it, maybe I should give it a second chance. Looking forward to ASM.

The more I watched it, the more I loved it. St first when I watched it, I liked it. The more times I watched it (it recently played on hbo a lot) the more I loved about what it said about love and wanting to love, both the good and bad parts of it.

[gwynplaine]

The more I watched it, the more I loved it. St first when I watched it, I liked it. The more times I watched it (it recently played on hbo a lot) the more I loved about what it said about love and wanting to love, both the good and bad parts of it.
I'll give another shot. Also I really like JGL. I think he's a great actor.

[Wesley Dodds]

Having watched it a second time last night, I can honestly say I really rather enjoy the Green Lantern movie. Is it flawless? Ptttt, heck no! but it's a perfectly servicable origin movie for a franchise. Any problems it has (and it does have problems!) can easily be ironed out in future installments.

[Rowsdower!]

Having watched it a second time last night, I can honestly say I really rather enjoy the Green Lantern movie. Is it flawless? Ptttt, heck no! but it's a perfectly servicable origin movie for a franchise. Any problems it has (and it does have problems!) can easily be ironed out in future installments.

:highfive:

I liked it too.

But be prepared for 5,984,329,883 posters on this site to tell you why you're completely wrong and that the movie was the worse than genocide with a side of Bubonic Plague.

[Wesley Dodds]

:highfive:

I liked it too.

But be prepared for 5,984,329,883 posters on this site to tell you why you're completely wrong and that the movie was the worse than genocide with a side of Bubonic Plague.

Haha! Oh, I know! But the Summer needed a whipping boy and it seems Green Lantern was it.
It's cool if it wasn't people's cup of tea but, like you said, the way some folks talk about it... like it's the worst film in the history of cinema, like they'd walk out of it even if they were on a plane... yeah, that's ****ing insane!

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah. The movie had it's problems, but the majority of them were problems you'll find in nearly every other superhero film that's come out in the last 10 years (corny lines, some questionable FX here and there, obvious product placement, plot holes, rushed sequences and a few moments that make you go, "Huh?"). I think that, for some reason, people just decided to ignore those elements in other movies in the genre but chose to focus on ONLY those things in Green Lantern. Why? I don't know.

Not everyone thought this way though. Roger Ebert liked it better than Thor (though most critics and fans thought Thor was leaps and bounds above GL). I would say the movies are pretty equal with each other... Thor did have a better villain and love interest, but I also found some parts a bit... off, like all the Rainbow Bridge stuff. I didn't understand how a bridge could destroy and entire planet. Maybe they explained it somewhere, but I missed it. I also thought the opening battle (that tried REALLY hard to look like the opening of The Fellowship of the Ring) was absolutely pathetic.

[Parker Wayne]

double post

[Parker Wayne]

You're completely wrong and that movie was worse than the Bubonic plague. :o

In all seriousness, all I can do is explain why I like or dislike movies. No one's wrong for liking a movie (unless their actually wrong with a fact or something).

I find Thor to be better than Green Lantern because it did an immensely better job at explaining the mythology and keeping it engaging than Green Lantern. Plus, GL just had so many stupid story choices Such as "there's a huge threat about the destroy the galaxy. Let's send our rookie Green Lantern and few others instead of the whole corps." Not to mention the lack of character development with Sinestro.

The difference between GL and good origin movies is that the leads in good origins movies tend to be compelling and fun to watch. Ryan Renolds wasn't. He once again played Ryan Renolds even though he could do better than that (and I've seen movies in which he did). It's not the corny lines that did it, it was just the fact that I couldn't take Renolds seriously as Jordan like I could do with RDJ/Stark, Wayne/Bale, Hemsworth/Thor, Evans/Cap, or even Maguire/Spider-man.

I'd say the opening battle was fine. It wasn't even that long, but it did help explain the mythology of behind Asgard.

[Wesley Dodds]

I dont see the need to compare Thor and Green Lantern. They're two completely different things. PW, in regards to your "lets send the rookie Lantern" point, having watched it last night, the Guardians didnt send him, so much as they pretty much went "Meh. Whatever." and got on with the plan they'd formulated with Sinestro. (Use Earth as Collateral damage while they train the Corps to harness the yellow energy)
Also, I thought Reynolds equipped himself well enough. Plenty of room to expand on what he did with the role in a sequel (If we're very lucky and get one!)
The only actor who was lacking in the movie was the rather ironically named Blake Lively (They might as well have just put lipstick on a wooden plank and cast that instead!)
But, yeah, disappointing/annoying female leads in comicbook movies is weirdly common... dunno why.

[Wesley Dodds]

Double post.

[Wesley Dodds]

Yeah. The movie had it's problems, but the majority of them were problems you'll find in nearly every other superhero film that's come out in the last 10 years (corny lines, some questionable FX here and there, obvious product placement, plot holes, rushed sequences and a few moments that make you go, "Huh?"). I think that, for some reason, people just decided to ignore those elements in other movies in the genre but chose to focus on ONLY those things in Green Lantern. Why? I don't know.

Not everyone thought this way though. Roger Ebert liked it better than Thor (though most critics and fans thought Thor was leaps and bounds above GL). I would say the movies are pretty equal with each other... Thor did have a better villain and love interest, but I also found some parts a bit... off, like all the Rainbow Bridge stuff. I didn't understand how a bridge could destroy and entire planet. Maybe they explained it somewhere, but I missed it. I also thought the opening battle (that tried REALLY hard to look like the opening of The Fellowship of the Ring) was absolutely pathetic.

I couldn't agree more, Rowsdower. :yay:

[Parker Wayne]

To be honest, I haven't seen Green Lantern in months, but I remember not liking that they didn't send the whole Corps to deal with that problem. Also, Sinestro putting on the ring in the after credits was really weak.

The problem with Portman in Thor probably had more to do with our expectations of female leads than it had to do with her performance. We expect so much more out of our female leads, but in reality in some movies they're just there to be love interests and dansels in distress than to function as full fledged characters.

With Thor, I was meh on it. Could've done a hell of lot more with it though.

It's a good thing Captain America came along and broke that trend. Come to think of it, X-men First Class' leading lady wasn't bad at all too, so I wouldn't call it a trend.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah. The movie had it's problems, but the majority of them were problems you'll find in nearly every other superhero film that's come out in the last 10 years (corny lines, some questionable FX here and there, obvious product placement, plot holes, rushed sequences and a few moments that make you go, "Huh?"). I think that, for some reason, people just decided to ignore those elements in other movies in the genre but chose to focus on ONLY those things in Green Lantern. Why? I don't know.


Not to sound like a dick, but this sounds more like denial. The good or even the average Superhero movie don't have as many problems as GL has. I mean, if most people dislike Green Lantern, it obviously goes beyond those points. Personally, there were much deeper problems with Green Lantern and it was the acting and the story that made it look really bad. I'm not trying to change your opinion, but don't make everyone else look like they're wrong or crazy because they didn't like it.

[HighFivingMF]

To be honest, I haven't seen Green Lantern in months, but I remember not liking that they didn't send the whole Corps to deal with that problem.

Because then they'd have no Corps members left...

[The Morningstar]

Green Lantern was crap because the titular character was crap. He was poorly characterised and developed.

I mean, how could anyone root for Hal Jordan? He's a douche. But he didn't have the charm of Thor, who was also arrogant at the start. Hal Jordan had no redeeming features as a character. He gets the girls, has a cool car, awesome job... but he's still a whinger. And he cost hundreds of people their jobs.

And Hal's journey was poorly done. He gets the ring, goes to Oa, has a 5 minute training session, gets his ass kicked, goes home crying. Then after a couple of action scenes on Earth and a pep talk from his girlfriend he becomes this awesome GL who can destroy a being that apparently destroys entire civilisations. His change in character was so poorly done I don't felt like it redeemed him from his earlier douchiness.

[CelticPredator]

Haha! Oh, I know! But the Summer needed a whipping boy and it seems Green Lantern was it.
It's cool if it wasn't people's cup of tea but, like you said, the way some folks talk about it... like it's the worst film in the history of cinema, like they'd walk out of it even if they were on a plane... yeah, that's ****ing insane!

No. That was Transformers 3.

Unlike Green Lantern, everyone should've known Dark of the Moon would be a bad film. Yet they saw it, and *****ed anyway.

Green Lantern could've been astounding. Epic. Emotional.

But it wasn't. It was dull. Boring. And emotionless. The effects weren't great. The hero wasn't great. The editing was awful...ect, ect.


Green Lantern deserves the hate it received.

[Wesley Dodds]

No. That was Transformers 3.

Unlike Green Lantern, everyone should've known Dark of the Moon would be a bad film. Yet they saw it, and *****ed anyway.

Green Lantern could've been astounding. Epic. Emotional.

But it wasn't. It was dull. Boring. And emotionless. The effects weren't great. The hero wasn't great. The editing was awful...ect, ect.


Green Lantern deserves the hate it received.


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[Rowsdower!]

You can say I'm in denial if you want, but those are my honest feelings about the movie and how it was received. That's not to say that I think EVERYONE who hated GL was subsconciously lashing out at multiple comic book movies... but I sincerely do believe that many were.

I mean, look at some of the arguments against it. Hal was a douche? Tony Stark was a douche. The training session felt rushed? Captain America's WWII Invaders montage felt rushed. He fails at something and doubts himself? I think every superhero style movie has this, from Spider-Man 2 to The Dark Knight to The Matrix.

Look, I realize I'm not going to change anyone's mind. I've only seen the movie once, so maybe when I do watch it again I'll dissect the crap out of it. All I know is that when I was sitting in the theater watching it, I enjoyed it. And as someone who knows the story of Green Lantern, who has read the comics and all that, I feel like they got enough right with it that I was satisified. Could it have been better? Of course. Was Ryan Reynolds the best actor for the part? I would say that if they made Hal 100% comic book accurate, then probably not. But for the way they wrote made him in the movie, Reynolds was perfect.

[The Morningstar]

Tony Stark was a douche. But he was charming with it. He was funny. Hal Jordan was not.

And Starks change in character was better. It didn't seem contrived. He was held hostage by guys who were using his weapons and a guy who saved his life sacrificed himself for him.

Hal Jordan changed because he had a pep talk with his girlfriend...

[Rowsdower!]

I thought Hal was charming and funny enough. No one else did, apparently, but I liked him. As for the character change... I think with Hal, they tried to do it more subtly. It wasn't like he just hit a switch right after he talked to Carol and became a better person. He was questioning himself and his purpose throughout the movie. That pep talk was just the last kick in the ass he needed to get going. I agree that his final resolve could have been handled better with something more dramatic, but I don't think that it ruined anything eitehr.

[Parker Wayne]

You can say I'm in denial if you want, but those are my honest feelings about the movie and how it was received. That's not to say that I think EVERYONE who hated GL was subsconciously lashing out at multiple comic book movies... but I sincerely do believe that many were.

I mean, look at some of the arguments against it. Hal was a douche? Tony Stark was a douche. The training session felt rushed? Captain America's WWII Invaders montage felt rushed. He fails at something and doubts himself? I think every superhero style movie has this, from Spider-Man 2 to The Dark Knight to The Matrix.

Look, I realize I'm not going to change anyone's mind. I've only seen the movie once, so maybe when I do watch it again I'll dissect the crap out of it. All I know is that when I was sitting in the theater watching it, I enjoyed it. And as someone who knows the story of Green Lantern, who has read the comics and all that, I feel like they got enough right with it that I was satisified. Could it have been better? Of course. Was Ryan Reynolds the best actor for the part? I would say that if they made Hal 100% comic book accurate, then probably not. But for the way they wrote made him in the movie, Reynolds was perfect.

With Captain America, everyone complained about the montage so it's not like that went untouched. Still, Steve Rogers was done a lot more justice on screen than Hal did.

And with Reynolds being perfect, Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds was the one thing people didn't want to see in Hal Jordan in the movie. There's no problem with him being a douche, but he wasn't a likable or compelling douche.

And about failing and doubting themselves, those were well done in those movies and didn't feel rushed. In Spider-man 2, Peter left being Spider-man, took a break, and only after having his love kidnapped did he come back to being Spider-man.

In the Dark Knight, it was the belief that Dent was out of the picture, him losing the only thing he would've given being Batman for, and the realization that he was the only one capable enough of capturing the Joker that kept him going.

With Thor, the change was pretty weak, and they definitely could've done more with what they did, but at least in comparison to Green Lantern Thor actually had a bigger desire to change for in his hammer, a powerful item that he loved.

In Green Lantern, like Morningstar said, Hal just had a pep talk with Carol. They could've done more with Hal than they did.

[DawnWarrior]

With Captain America, everyone complained about the montage so it's not like that went untouched. Still, Steve Rogers was done a lot more justice on screen than Hal did.
I liked the montage. I expected they'd do something like it, and I'd have done the same thing.

[Parker Wayne]

It could have been longer, and it doesn't help that all the money shots in the trailers were in that montage. :funny:

[kedrell]

Of course it could have been longer. They could take whole movies just from that period alone.

[CelticPredator]

That's why they did it....so they could make more movies in that time period.

[kedrell]

Yes, I know. I wasn't making a criticism, just stating a fact.

[CelticPredator]

For sure.

[Thedudehimself]

I think Avatar is a great movie.
I think Captain America sucks.

[HighFivingMF]

I think Avatar is a great movie.
I think Captain America sucks.

I don't think the first one is an unpopular opinion. I didn't care for it, but I know most people that saw it did.

[CelticPredator]

I think Avatar is a great movie.
I think Captain America sucks.

I think you're wrong. On every level of the word wrong. :o:o:o:o:o

[DyeLorean]

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[Secret Fawful]

I haven't met anyone who liked Avatar.

[Rowsdower!]

I think Avatar is very polarizing but there must have been a LOT of people that liked it, for one reason or another. I liked it; not a perfect movie by any means, but fun to watch.

[Wesley Dodds]

I think Avatar is one of those movies that gets more internet love than anything else because like Secret Fawful said, I havent really met anyone who liked Avatar either.
Personally, I Barely even really rate it as a film.
I consider it the planet Earths longest, most expensive FX demo reel.

[Tron Bonne]

I think Avatar is one of those movies that gets more internet love than anything else because like Secret Fawful said, I havent really met anyone who liked Avatar either.

It's the highest grossing movie of all time.

[Wesley Dodds]

It's the highest grossing movie of all time.

Yeah, I know. I didnt say I didnt know anyone who didnt go to see it, EVERYONE did. The curiosity and hype around Avater was frickin' immense and people wanted to check it out. What I said was I haven't really met anyone who liked it. And I really haven't. All the Avatar love, as far as ive noticed, is internet-based. :yay:

[Tron Bonne]

No movie is going to be the highest grossing movie of all time and not be liked. Honestly, I don't even know where you're seeing the internet love for it, because for me it seems the exact opposite; all I've seen recently for it on the internet is hate. Maybe when it was first coming out it was getting love, but that's faded, and it was always getting hate on just as much back then, too.

[Max J Power]

I'm sure marketing-fueled curiosity played a big role in Avatar's success, but yeah, to make that much box office money, a movie has to have a lot of people seeing it more than once.

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I would agree that Avatar gets more Internet hate than love. It seems like any time you mention it anywhere, 10 people show up just to list reasons why they thought it sucked.

[Art_of_Crime]

Yeah, I would agree that Avatar gets more Internet hate than love. It seems like any time you mention it anywhere, 10 people show up just to list reasons why they thought it sucked.

isn't *****ing about things that are really not that important what the internet is for? Or have I just been wasting my life for the last decade?

[gwynplaine]

Now I don't know if it's unpopular or not:huh:, but personally, I really enjoyed Avatar in the theater in 3D.

[The Morningstar]

With Captain America, everyone complained about the montage so it's not like that went untouched. Still, Steve Rogers was done a lot more justice on screen than Hal did.

And with Reynolds being perfect, Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds was the one thing people didn't want to see in Hal Jordan in the movie. There's no problem with him being a douche, but he wasn't a likable or compelling douche.

And about failing and doubting themselves, those were well done in those movies and didn't feel rushed. In Spider-man 2, Peter left being Spider-man, took a break, and only after having his love kidnapped did he come back to being Spider-man.

In the Dark Knight, it was the belief that Dent was out of the picture, him losing the only thing he would've given being Batman for, and the realization that he was the only one capable enough of capturing the Joker that kept him going.

With Thor, the change was pretty weak, and they definitely could've done more with what they did, but at least in comparison to Green Lantern Thor actually had a bigger desire to change for in his hammer, a powerful item that he loved.

In Green Lantern, like Morningstar said, Hal just had a pep talk with Carol. They could've done more with Hal than they did.

I thought Thor's change was well done. I mean, what are you gonna do it you find out that your douchiness has caused your Dad to keel over and your mum to disown you?

[A Necessary Evil]

Having watched it a second time last night, I can honestly say I really rather enjoy the Green Lantern movie. Is it flawless? Ptttt, heck no! but it's a perfectly servicable origin movie for a franchise. Any problems it has (and it does have problems!) can easily be ironed out in future installments.

:up:

[CelticPredator]

Now I don't know if it's unpopular or not:huh:, but personally, I really enjoyed Avatar in the theater in 3D.

The only way to watch the movie IMO. Take away the 3D...and the spectacle is gone.

[Parker Wayne]

Avatar is a fine movie. Imagine if Cameron came out and said its a scifi remake if dances with wolves. Most people wouldn't be complaining.

[CelticPredator]

Meh. I don't love it. It's alright. It's not as much fun to watch when you take away the 3D.

[Art_of_Crime]

Meh. I don't love it. It's alright. It's not as much fun to watch when you take away the 3D.


no kidding its all out of focus and gives you a headache.:oldrazz:

[CelticPredator]

Ah ha ha.

:D

[Thebumwhowalks]

Take away the 3D...and the spectacle is gone.

No, you take away the spectacles and the 3D is gone.

That is the joke you were trying to make Art_of_Crime.

Yours sincerely Professor Patronising
joke school

[Tron Bonne]

Never saw Avatar in 3D and still thought it was a good film, and the spectacle of it was still very much there. *shrug* It seemed fine to me. I don't think it was the greatest film ever, but the internet hate surrounding it often baffles me.

isn't *****ing about things that are really not that important what the internet is for? Or have I just been wasting my life for the last decade?

Did anyone actually say you've been wasting your time in any of those posts? I mean, if that's all you've been doing, then you definitely have, but no one was really saying that.

[CelticPredator]

The hate comes from the love. :D

I think a lot of people really liked Avatar...but when it started becoming the greatest gift that mankind has ever gotten....people started to feel different towards it.

At least that's how I felt.

And this isn't just internet. Had a whole class a kids call Avatar the greatest film ever made. Just bugged me.

[gwynplaine]

I enjoyed MI4 more than any of the summer blockbusters. Actually it might be the movie I enjoyed the most this year.
On a related note, Tom Cruise is really a great actor. He might be crazy and weird in real life, but I don't really care since I don't hang out with him and I just watch his movies:woot:. Choosing Brad Bird to direct was genius and he didn't disappoint. I can't think of another franchise where #4 is the best movie of the series. For the record I liked 1 and 3 and hated 2.
I'm looking forward to seeing where Cruise is going to go with this new chapter of his career.

[CelticPredator]

Agreed 100%.

[SuperFerret]

For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.

Avatar was a movie, not a very good movie in my opinion*, but a movie nonetheless, and as such I tend not to spend time thinking about it. When confronted with walking, talking hyperbole in favor of the movie, one must respond in kind.

*it did not entertain me nor did it provide characters that I cared for, and on top of that it bluntly spouted a message I disagree with.

[DyeLorean]

I think that Avatar is a very good example of spectacle vs. movie (not as rivals but as opposites of the same coin). Watching the movie in IMAX, like I did, was truly a remarkable cinematic experience. You were completely entertained by that new world, those nearly perfect special effects, the design of things, the action scenes, the immersive 3D experience... If you are like me, those things already paid the ticket. It was more than worth it.
The story is simple enough, I mean is not meant to be a deep, contrived and unique thing, it was meant to be just that, a regular story strong enough to carry all the tecnnical innovations Cameron inserted in it. I think of it as a very expensive demo reel for him to show the audience, film companies and other directors what could be achieved. I mean, he has guided several others in the use of motion capture and 3D.
Anyway, I don't wanna get into that which is only me spectulating things. But I do think of it as a good movie, but a much better spectacle, not many movies can claim to be that. Not many nights you go out and experience a movie, you just watch it.
Inception is, for me, another example. It's a -far more realistic- spectacle, but a much better movie.

[CelticPredator]

But then they'll kill themselves. :(

[SuperFerret]

I think that Avatar is a very good example of spectacle vs. movie (not as rivals but as opposites of the same coin). Watching the movie in IMAX, like I did, was truly a remarkable cinematic experience. You were completely entertained by that new world, those nearly perfect special effects, the design of things, the action scenes, the immersive 3D experience... If you are like me, those things already paid the ticket. It was more than worth it.
The story is simple enough, I mean is not meant to be a deep, contrived and unique thing, it was meant to be just that, a regular story strong enough to carry all the tecnnical innovations Cameron inserted in it. I think of it as a very expensive demo reel for him to show the audience, film companies and other directors what could be achieved. I mean, he has guided several others in the use of motion capture and 3D.
Anyway, I don't wanna get into that which is only me spectulating things. But I do think of it as a good movie, but a much better spectacle, not many movies can claim to be that. Not many nights you go out and experience a movie, you just watch it.
Inception is, for me, another example. It's a -far more realistic- spectacle, but a much better movie.

Fair enough, but I disagree that the spectacle pays for the ticket. The spectacle comes second to characters and concepts I can care about.

[bullets]

I need to get a consensus from people I know about Avatar,lol. I get the "once you've seen it , you've seen it vibe " from some people. My brother hasn't even watched it. I own the blu ray , it looks fantastic , haven't watched it much since I got it but thought it was enjoyable and I'm looking forward to the sequels.

[The Morningstar]

I enjoyed MI4 more than any of the summer blockbusters. Actually it might be the movie I enjoyed the most this year.
On a related note, Tom Cruise is really a great actor. He might be crazy and weird in real life, but I don't really care since I don't hang out with him and I just watch his movies:woot:. Choosing Brad Bird to direct was genius and he didn't disappoint. I can't think of another franchise where #4 is the best movie of the series. For the record I liked 1 and 3 and hated 2.
I'm looking forward to seeing where Cruise is going to go with this new chapter of his career.

Tom Cruise is indeed awesome. As is Brad Bird. He's got a great career ahead of him.

For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.

Avatar was a movie, not a very good movie in my opinion*, but a movie nonetheless, and as such I tend not to spend time thinking about it. When confronted with walking, talking hyperbole in favor of the movie, one must respond in kind.

*it did not entertain me nor did it provide characters that I cared for, and on top of that it bluntly spouted a message I disagree with.

Pretty much exactly how I feel.

[weezerspider]

I hated Avatar.
I hated Blade Runner.
I enjoy all three Transformers movies. I would never defend them for being good movies, they are not. They are terrible movies, but I find them extremely entertaining none of the less.

[Homer J. Fong]

How can "I hate Avatar" and "I like Avatar" BOTH be unpopular opinions?

[DyeLorean]

Fair enough, but I disagree that the spectacle pays for the ticket. The spectacle comes second to characters and concepts I can care about.
Yes, of course, it's the same for me. I was talking specifically about Avatar, and that one time I went to see it.

[Parker Wayne]

I enjoyed MI4 more than any of the summer blockbusters. Actually it might be the movie I enjoyed the most this year.
On a related note, Tom Cruise is really a great actor. He might be crazy and weird in real life, but I don't really care since I don't hang out with him and I just watch his movies:woot:. Choosing Brad Bird to direct was genius and he didn't disappoint. I can't think of another franchise where #4 is the best movie of the series. For the record I liked 1 and 3 and hated 2.
I'm looking forward to seeing where Cruise is going to go with this new chapter of his career.

I enjoyed Mission Impossible more than all movies except for the last Harry Potter movie.

But I believe that the action movies this year have been very impressive. With movies like Fast Five, Hanna, X-men: First Class, Drive (I know it doesn't really count but I want to count it because it was originally supposed to be one), and Mission Impossible proves that you can not only breathe life into old (and almost considered dead franchises), but also breathe life into a genre that people believed to lack originality. I'm always baffled when people say there's no originality in movies when there's plenty of it in films.

For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.

Avatar was a movie, not a very good movie in my opinion*, but a movie nonetheless, and as such I tend not to spend time thinking about it. When confronted with walking, talking hyperbole in favor of the movie, one must respond in kind.

*it did not entertain me nor did it provide characters that I cared for, and on top of that it bluntly spouted a message I disagree with.

Fair enough. To be honest, I liked the last 30 minutes the most.


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[gwynplaine]

"We Bought A Zoo." I will not be buying a ticket.
Cameron Crowe, if that's the best you can come up with, please stop making movies.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Michael Imperioli will always be Spider (Goodfellas) to me. Every time I see him, I just think, "T'heh, Spider."

[gwynplaine]

Cool Bronson avy.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Bronson :up:

[The Navigator]

Critics didn't seem to like Troy. I have no idea why, thought it was great. Particularly Eric Bana as Hector and Pitt's turn as Achilles.

[gwynplaine]

Critics didn't seem to like Troy. I have no idea why, thought it was great. Particularly Eric Bana as Hector and Pitt's turn as Achilles.
Agreed:up:

[CelticPredator]

Troy was alright. I found nothing bad about that flick.

[Slushy]

- Chris Evans was better as The Human Torch than Captain America.

- Mission Impossible II is the best film of the franchise.

I loved Troy. My only gripe was the score being different for the Director's Cut. Changing the music for the Hector Vs. Achilles fight was unforgivable!

Re: Avatar

Like Twilight, its a polarizing film. Love it or hate it.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Bronson :up:

man, it's funny reading people on the net talking about Bronson these days, I was watching documentaries on the real guy back in the 90s, I still have one or two of them on tape somewhere.
I haven't seen the movie yet, it is on tv tonight though, so I'll tape it. I didn't like what I read about it when it came out though, that NR has TH standing on a stage for parts of the movie talking about his exploits, instead of dramatically re-creating them.
If they don't re-create the part in his prison stay when he went on a one man riot, what is the point of making a movie about the guy? They better not have him re-citing that one.


and as to Blackheart's point...aye, Chris Evans is a funny guy, so his skills were good for the Human Torch, which was a much better watch acting wise then his Cap...who was just...too worthy to the point of being bland...they took it to ridiculous levels....like, he was a short, skinny guy...but he was confident, right? So, what was that scene all about where he says he never had a conversation with a woman before?
It was just pushing the downtrodden guy thing a bit too much, along with the worthy thing...they should have made him a bit cheeky imo, given him some spark, some interesting characteristic that showed you how he was able to weather being the little guy, because from what they gave you in the movie, it sounded like he was just a boring little wallflower.
He was just not that interesting, and he didn't sound like a real person. A real person who had that much tenacity and strength of character, would have caught the attention of women, and he would have had more interesting characteristics than he did imo.
If he didn't let his physical shortcomings destroy his hope at joining the army, who would he allow that to happen when it came to women? Y'know, he might not have had any luck, but you'd think he would have at least spoken to a lot of women.
All they did was write as much stuff to try and get you to feel as sorry as possible for him, without thinking about characterisation too deeply.

You might say that is faithful to the comics, but, y'know, these types of platitude spouting bores were a dime a dozen back in the day in superhero comics. I don't think there would have been anything wrong with using some of Evan's comedic skills to give him an interesting edge, showing how the little guy used humour to get him through the tough times. If the actor has skills, use them if they benefit the character in the movie adaptation, the character could come out a better representation of the ideal than in the books.
and I'm not saying turn him into RDJ, just, y'know, *something* interesting, some little twinkle in the eye, instead of all that dour bland stuff.
It's like, sure, we all like to see the little guy in the origin part struggle against the odds, but there has to be some interesting personality traits there in the first place for the part where he puts the suit on.

[Tron Bonne]

-I liked Troy overall as a standalone film, but I honestly wasn't very fond of how they demythologized the story. I know for some people taking the mysticism out of stories is kind of neat, but I tend to feel the exact opposite, especially for a story so rooted in it. I do also remember getting kind of bored with it, too, but it's been a long time since I've watched it.

-I never got why people got so ga-ga over the MI movies. They aren't bad films or anything, but I don't know, I never really considered them great or anything. I remember people losing their **** over how great MI:3 was, and I thought it was just a pretty good spy film and not much else. Similarly, with the first one, I thought it was a very well-crafted film (it was De Palma for **** sake), but overall, it still never seemed like it warranted the praise it got. I don't even really remember the second one, outside the opening where Tom Cruise throws his exploding sunglasses. Haven't seen GP yet, though, but I'll probably wait for home video release due to having deja vu about the third movie.

-Though I love the idea on paper, for some reason I'm finding myself less and less interested in The Avengers. I know I'll see it, but something just isn't clicking with me in the hype department like I feel it should.

[El Payaso]

-Though I love the idea on paper, for some reason I'm finding myself less and less interested in The Avengers. I know I'll see it, but something just isn't clicking with me in the hype department like I feel it should.

Same here. I find this 'more is more' concept to be most of times a smokescreen with nothing behind it.

[gkokujin]

I think The Dark Knight is blah. if you took out Heath Ledger it would be even more mediocre. People hail it as brilliance and i see that as mindless hyperbole.

Bales performance is horrendous. I realized after watching Terminator Salvation, all his "dark gritty" characters are the same across the board.

[Parker Wayne]

-I never got why people got so ga-ga over the MI movies. They aren't bad films or anything, but I don't know, I never really considered them great or anything. I remember people losing their **** over how great MI:3 was, and I thought it was just a pretty good spy film and not much else. Similarly, with the first one, I thought it was a very well-crafted film (it was De Palma for **** sake), but overall, it still never seemed like it warranted the praise it got. I don't even really remember the second one, outside the opening where Tom Cruise throws his exploding sunglasses. Haven't seen GP yet, though, but I'll probably wait for home video release due to having deja vu about the third movie.


I agree. I watch MI:3 the day before I saw GP in IMAX and it was okay. I didn't think it was on the level of Bourne or Bond, but I found it to be good.

Ghost Protocol, in my opinion, put the Mission Impossible franchise on the same level as Bond or Bourne in terms of spy flicks. Ethan Hunt I find to be very badass and the action was awesome. I found GP better than most of the summer films released this year.


-Though I love the idea on paper, for some reason I'm finding myself less and less interested in The Avengers. I know I'll see it, but something just isn't clicking with me in the hype department like I feel it should.

Same here. I'm actually starting to lose interest in the movie. There's something about the movie that isn't clicking with me. I can't place my finger on it though. Something with the Avengers trailer just feels amiss.

[HighFivingMF]

I think The Dark Knight is blah. if you took out Heath Ledger it would be even more mediocre. People hail it as brilliance and i see that as mindless hyperbole.

If you took Ledger out the movie wouldn't make sense. You'd just have a lot of people staring frightened at the nothingness and Batman shooting a grappling hook down the side of a building for no reason. :o

[hammerhedd11]

I think The Dark Knight is blah. if you took out Heath Ledger it would be even more mediocre. People hail it as brilliance and i see that as mindless hyperbole.

Bales performance is horrendous. I realized after watching Terminator Salvation, all his "dark gritty" characters are the same across the board.

What a pointless thing to say.
If you took out all the great acting and direction from, say, The Godfather, that movie would be pretty mediocre too. Saying the movie wouldn't be good without the uh, good parts is pretty obvious.

[Mario_Galaxy]

And Eckhart, Bale, Caine, Freeman, and Oldman were hardly chopped liver.

For the record, I really don't hate Bale's Bat voice at all. I found it perfectly fine in BB, albeit a tad awkward for some of the dialogue in TDK but not once was I thinking "This is Christian Bale playing Batman." Or even Bruce Wayne. It truly felt like a separate entity, which is the entire point.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Out of all the Marvel movies, I'd say the only great villains have been Fassbender's Magneto and Molina's Dr. Octopus.

[Parker Wayne]

No love for Loki? I think he's the best of the Marvel villains.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I didn't like that movie. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I expected more trickery.

[gwynplaine]

I liked old and young Magneto, Doc Ock, Loki was great and I don't know if he counts but I kinda enjoyed Stephen Dorff ott performance as Deacon Frost in Blade, even though I'm not a huge fan of his in general (specially in the pretty awful "Somewhere.")

[gwynplaine]

I'm sure it's interesting and it looks beautiful, but War Horse looks like that rare beast: A Spielberg movie I probably will not be seeing in the theater.

[gwynplaine]

-Though I love the idea on paper, for some reason I'm finding myself less and less interested in The Avengers. I know I'll see it, but something just isn't clicking with me in the hype department like I feel it should.
Me too. Sadly, I think I'm experiencing a bit of superhero films fatigue in general. Now all I need is a weird psychedelic Ditko inspired Dr. Strange movie to bring me back:woot: Somebody needs to come along and do to sh films what Leone did to Westerns. I think it's that time.

[Parker Wayne]

I think I'm experience superhero fatigue also, though I'm very excited for TDKR. I haven't been in any of the superhero movie threads for months, and the Avengers is exciting me less and less.

[HighFivingMF]

I think I'm experience superhero fatigue also, though I'm very excited for TDKR. I haven't been in any of the superhero movie threads for months, and the Avengers is exciting me less and less.

I feel that way about Avengers. I mean, I want to see it. But I'm not a fan of Whedon at all. I've never seen anything the new Thor 2 director did, but I'm still excited at the idea of Thor 2. I really want Iron Man 3 because of Shane Black though.

[Parker Wayne]

I hope IM3 is good. I think it will be good.

Maybe it's because Avengers feels so plain looking in the trailer. It doesn't feel distinct enough nor does the cinematography look that impressive.

But to be honest about Thor 2, if I had to make an early prediction, I'm predicting disaster.

[HighFivingMF]

I hope IM3 is good. I think it will be good.

Maybe it's because Avengers feels so plain looking in the trailer. It doesn't feel distinct enough nor does the cinematography look that impressive.

But to be honest about Thor 2, if I had to make an early prediction, I'm predicting disaster.

I wanted Branagh back, then they started naming off the TV directors, I started thinking "Oh no..." but I always try to look on the bright side and hope for the best.

[bonoferox]

Agreed on Troy.

I confess that I'm still drawn to M. Night Shyamalan movies. There's no doubt they've gone downhill, but I usually find something redeemable about them. Even Last Airbender I kind of enjoyed. The story was complete *****, and I never saw the animated series it was based on, but the effects and blu-ray quality of the movie just made it passable as a rental.

[gwynplaine]

Unfortunately, I don't think 2011 was such a great year for movies.

[Slushy]

No love for Loki? I think he's the best of the Marvel villains.


Agreed. The guy was a POS, but I couldn't help, but feel sorry for him.

[The Morningstar]

If you took Ledger out the movie wouldn't make sense. You'd just have a lot of people staring frightened at the nothingness and Batman shooting a grappling hook down the side of a building for no reason. :o

Grappling hook? A grappling hook was used in TDK? That was another problem with that movie, barely any Batman-esque stuff. No Batarangs, no creeping around in the shadows, no grappling hook, no smoke bombs etc.

And Eckhart, Bale, Caine, Freeman, and Oldman were hardly chopped liver.

For the record, I really don't hate Bale's Bat voice at all. I found it perfectly fine in BB, albeit a tad awkward for some of the dialogue in TDK but not once was I thinking "This is Christian Bale playing Batman." Or even Bruce Wayne. It truly felt like a separate entity, which is the entire point.

To me, it's like Bale is trying to hard. And in effect, in makes Bruce Wayne seem to be trying to hard with the voice. It's like he's forcing this stupid voice, instead of it coming naturally, as though the Batman is a natural side to him.

As for Avengers? Ehhh it looks kinda plain and by the numbers to me at this point. The next trailer reeeeally needs to blow me away. They should have got Brad Bird instead of Joss Whedon.

I don't really get why people are so hyped for Whedon in all honesty. Geek cred doesn't mean he can make a great action film. Avengers needs to be bigger and more epic than Serenity, that's for sure.

[Crazy Flakes]

No love for Loki? I think he's the best of the Marvel villains.

I think Loki is overall a good villain but Thor did a horrible job of fleshing him out and making him believable. I did like the movie, don't get me wrong, but I just wasn't convinced by him.

And I agree that 2011 wasn't a great movie year, especially in terms of superhero movies. Most of them were decent but none of them were great. Hopefully 2012 will make up for it, what with The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises coming out.

[The Morningstar]

I think calling Loki a villain in Thor is a bit of a disservice. It was as much his journey to becoming a villain as it was Thor's journey to becoming a hero.

[Thebumwhowalks]

And I agree that 2011 wasn't a great movie year, especially in terms of superhero movies. Most of them were decent but none of them were great. Hopefully 2012 will make up for it, what with The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises coming out.

I think X-Men FC is one of the great sh films, well, it's a great super-villan movie, let's put it that way. But that was the only one that was truly exceptional this year.

[Drizzle]

Unfortunately, I don't think 2011 was such a great year for movies.
I agree. 2011 was mostly forgettable, but with a few highlights. 2012 looks much more promising.

[HighFivingMF]

Grappling hook? A grappling hook was used in TDK? That was another problem with that movie, barely any Batman-esque stuff. No Batarangs, no creeping around in the shadows, no grappling hook, no smoke bombs etc.

He used his grappling hook 3 times if you count the sky hook that I remember. Did the disappearing into the shadows and appearing suddenly thing a few times. He replaced the batarangs with the gauntletarangs and used those. He had his sonar device. He had the cool Intimidate, self-driving feature with the tumbler, including another smaller batmobile in the side. He did a lot of Batman-esque stuff, just upgraded Batman-esque stuff.

[CelticPredator]

I loved 2011.

Captain America, Super 8, Rise of the Apes, and First Class pleased me so much. :D

[Watchman]

Me too. Sadly, I think I'm experiencing a bit of superhero films fatigue in general. Now all I need is a weird psychedelic Ditko inspired Dr. Strange movie to bring me back:woot: Somebody needs to come along and do to sh films what Leone did to Westerns. I think it's that time.

Yes please. Out of any of the Marvel movies the one I'm looking forward to the most is Edgar Wright's Ant Man. I would love to see Tarantino take on Power Man and Iron Fist that would be something special. My dream superhero project would be David Lynch doing Steve Ditko's Spider-Man, it would be like Blue Velvet but with costumes.

[Parker Wayne]

As for Avengers? Ehhh it looks kinda plain and by the numbers to me at this point. The next trailer reeeeally needs to blow me away. They should have got Brad Bird instead of Joss Whedon.

I don't really get why people are so hyped for Whedon in all honesty. Geek cred doesn't mean he can make a great action film. Avengers needs to be bigger and more epic than Serenity, that's for sure.

Once again, and I said this in another thread, it's hard to predict that Brad Bird would have made such a huge hit in his first live action movie let alone big budget live action movie. There's such a huge difference between the two that it's actually pretty surprising that Bird had done so well.

[Watchman]

I wish Bird was doing the Superman movie.

[Parker Wayne]

I'm already getting tired of all fanboys wanting Brad Bird for everything. I like him though, but I don't know, Superman, Batman, Avengers, and Bond fanboys all want him to do movies for their franchises. It's crazy.

[Jordacar]

I loved 2011.

Captain America, Super 8, Rise of the Apes, and First Class pleased me so much. :DSame here, plus Thor.

[gwynplaine]

Yes please. Out of any of the Marvel movies the one I'm looking forward to the most is Edgar Wright's Ant Man. I would love to see Tarantino take on Power Man and Iron Fist that would be something special. My dream superhero project would be David Lynch doing Steve Ditko's Spider-Man, it would be like Blue Velvet but with costumes.
:up:
I wish Bird was doing the Superman movie.
Me too.

I'm already getting tired of all fanboys wanting Brad Bird for everything. I like him though, but I don't know, Superman, Batman, Avengers, and Bond fanboys all want him to do movies for their franchises. It's crazy.
I see what you mean, but Bird has proved to be such a fantastic action movie director with MI4 that not only do I want to see him return for a fifth installment, but I also understand why people would be interested to see his take on those big action franchises. I'm more excited to see where he goes next than Whedon, Snyder, Guy Ritchie etc...

[The Morningstar]

Once again, and I said this in another thread, it's hard to predict that Brad Bird would have made such a huge hit in his first live action movie let alone big budget live action movie. There's such a huge difference between the two that it's actually pretty surprising that Bird had done so well.

I don't think it was that hard to predict. A lot of the skills he learnt in animation can be applied to directing action movies. Like story boarding for instance. Plus the guy has a wicked imagination.

I always thought he'd be a great action movie director.

[Rowsdower!]

Bird certainly proved that he's a great live action director, and while I agree that he probably could make a good Superman film, let's see how Snyder does before we write him off. He might not be interested in doing a film based on a classic superhero however, being as to how he's already done his own superhero film. If he did though, I think his slick style would lend itself well to a Justice League movie, if that ever happens. M:I4 was the first film of the series where I felt like the roles were well-balanced. The other films all pretty much felt like The Tom Cruise Show, while this one had a strong supporting cast; it was a good team movie.

And while some might argue that Bird's films are too lighthearted--I could actually see him directing a Batman film that was more comic book-esque. If they decide to move away from the Nolanverse after TDKR and keep Batman dark but up the ante on the high-tech gear and create more fantastical scenarios, I think Bird would be a good choice.

[The Morningstar]

He could do an awesome Guardian of the Galaxy movie if MI4 is anything to go by. Mission Impossible in space, with Star Lord as Ethan Hunt.

[humbdrumb]

I'm already getting tired of all fanboys wanting Brad Bird for everything. I like him though, but I don't know, Superman, Batman, Avengers, and Bond fanboys all want him to do movies for their franchises. It's crazy.

Bird is really the prototypical action director. He gets the humor and spectacle down pat. He's tailor made for any one of the franchises you just listed.

Also, count me into the Troy circle jerk. Great movie. Most people probably hate it because they don't want to admit Brad Pitt's incredible physique made them question their sexuality.

[Travesty]

He used his grappling hook 3 times if you count the sky hook that I remember. Did the disappearing into the shadows and appearing suddenly thing a few times. He replaced the batarangs with the gauntletarangs and used those. He had his sonar device. He had the cool Intimidate, self-driving feature with the tumbler, including another smaller batmobile in the side. He did a lot of Batman-esque stuff, just upgraded Batman-esque stuff.
Just "non-iconic things that people associate themselves with Batman-esque" stuff.

[Rowsdower!]

Bird is really the prototypical action director. He gets the humor and spectacle down pat. He's tailor made for any one of the franchises you just listed.

Also, count me into the Troy circle jerk. Great movie. Most people probably hate it because they don't want to admit Brad Pitt's incredible physique made them question their sexuality.


LOL

You know, I really liked Troy when it came out and it had a lot of good things going for it. My real issue with it is that it's a good movie that could have been a great movie. That was one case where the movie score was pretty bad and downright awful at times. I can usually ignore those things but I actually found it distracting in Troy. And there's a reason for that... apparently the movie had an entire different score and then Wolfgang Peterson or someone else involved with the film fired the composer at the last minute and hired James Horner to do the music. The result was underwhelming at best.

There are other things too... I thought they could have taken more time to explore Achilles' inner turmoil. They touched on this a bit, but there was so much more they could have done with it. The battle scenes could have been longer too... it seemed like they ended way too abruptly. Overall, I just don't think it felt epic enough. I think it could have been; just needed some tweaking.

[HighFivingMF]

Just "non-iconic things that people associate themselves with Batman-esque" stuff.

Rada Rada Rada.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't think it was that hard to predict. A lot of the skills he learnt in animation can be applied to directing action movies. Like story boarding for instance. Plus the guy has a wicked imagination.

I always thought he'd be a great action movie director.

There's bigger differences than that, but it's not like I thought he'd be horrible.

And I'm not saying I think he'd be bad. I guess I'm just a bit taken a back that he'd become an overnight celebrity with the boards and being suggested for everything, kinda like Henry Cavill before Superman and Jon Hamm.

[gwynplaine]

I personally have enjoyed Brad Bird's work since The Iron Giant and I'm happy that he's making such a great transition into live action films, which I never doubted he would do, specially after seeing The Incredibles, maybe my favorite Pixar movie and one of the best superhero films period.
I wouldn't mind a sequel and I really want to see a Frozone spinoff movie actually, preferably a blaxploitation inspired prequel set in the 70's:woot:

[DarkSovereignty]

I always though the incredibles was set in the sixties, what with all the sixties furniture, phones, black and white news reels from the "golden age" ect. but I would love a blaxploitation spoof frozone movie in the seventies, that would be epic.

[Figs]

I'm kind of looking forward to Jack the Giant Killer

[gwynplaine]

I'm kind of looking forward to Jack the Giant Killer
Yeah, me too. I like that it's not a remake (unless I'm not aware of previous films) or sequel and I'm a fan of the original story. Love the Mickey Mouse cartoon:woot:

[Figs]

Yeah, me too. I like that it's not a remake (unless I'm not aware of previous films) or sequel and I'm a fan of the original story. Love the Mickey Mouse cartoon:woot:

Hahaha! I haven't seen the Mickey Mouse version in so long.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, me too. I like that it's not a remake (unless I'm not aware of previous films) or sequel and I'm a fan of the original story. Love the Mickey Mouse cartoon:woot:

It actually is a remake, but in the same way True Grit is.

[gwynplaine]

It actually is a remake, but in the same way True Grit is.
Thanks, I will look it up:up:

[gwynplaine]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.

[Figs]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.

I agree.

As for unpopular opinion...

I like Predator 2, Alien 3 and Ghostbusters 2.

[The Morningstar]

Predator 2 is awesome. I mean, it has Danny Glover running round on the verge of a stroke the whole time. Gary Busy is... well, he's Gary Busy. Bill Paxton is... well, he's Bill Paxton. And the Jamaican Yardies are hilarious.

[Parker Wayne]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.

I feel like I heard that some where before.:oldrazz:

[gwynplaine]

I feel like I heard that some where before.:oldrazz:
Haha. It was either that or Avatar is Pocahontas/Ferngully/Dances with Wolves in space:cwink:
Maybe this thread should be renamed the unpopular and often repeated film related opinions:woot:

[Jordacar]

I largely agree with this:
The most underrated film of 2011 (http://io9.com/5871712/)

[bullets]

Miami Vice (2006) is underrated.

[The Morningstar]

I largely agree with this:
The most underrated film of 2011 (http://io9.com/5871712/)

Oh god that movie is awful. The acting, apart from Eckhart, is soooooooooo bad. If i was a Marine i'd kinda be embarrassed because of how cheesy it is.

[Rowsdower!]

I didn't find Battle: Los Angeles awful, I just found it bland and awkward. It felt like an Army or Marines commercial. I half-expected a voiceover to say "TO YOU, IT'S SCIENCE FICTION! BUT WE KILL ALIENS EVERYDAY!"

[DyeLorean]

I have to be honest, I'm a little bored and sick with Tim Burton and that crappy creepy atmosphere in every f*ng film.
He's stuck in that, he doesn't evolve as a director. I know it's a trademark, but some movies really doesn't need that. Alice in Wonderland certainly could've been different -and much better- with a different director.
He has some good pictures under his belt (Batman, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish), but still...

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I'm tired of Tim Burton too. He's a good director and I understand he has a style that he carries from movie to movie but it's gotten to the point where it feels like he's making the SAME movie over and over again. He also needs to stop sticking his wife in everything. Helena Bonham Carter is a great actress but he's making me hate her.

Also... am I the only one who thinks this new trend of converting old movies to 3D is lame and just a cheap way for studios to pull in some cash they lost off a few box-office bombs? I've never been a Disney fan but even if I was, I don't think I'd ever have a need to see The Lion King in 3D. And now they're doing it with Titanic.

It kind of reminds me of the time when Spielberg re-released E.T. just so he could remind everyone that he's a legendary director or something. But (surprise!) people weren't interested in paying money to see a movie that's already in their DVD collection.

[HighFivingMF]

Also... am I the only one who thinks this new trend of converting old movies to 3D is lame and just a cheap way for studios to pull in some cash

You're not the only one to think that because that's what it is. They don't do it because the director thought that's how it should have been viewed (Cameron and Lucas aside).

[Rowsdower!]

Hopefully one of these studios will do a convert hack job with one of the films (like in Clash of the Titans, where a mountain suddenly leaped off the screen) and it will turn people off of it so much that the trend will die off.

[humbdrumb]

The Return of the King is my least favorite of the LOTR trilogy. The highs are higher than the other two, namely the entire sequence of Sam and Frodo on Mt. Doom, but it's just not as consistent. The whole part with the ghost army feels way too rushed, and the half hour long ending is just ridiculous. Whenever I watch it, I usually just turn it off after the Ring is destroyed.

[Sloth7d]

I have to be honest, I'm a little bored and sick with Tim Burton and that crappy creepy atmosphere in every f*ng film.
He's stuck in that, he doesn't evolve as a director. I know it's a trademark, but some movies really doesn't need that. Alice in Wonderland certainly could've been different -and much better- with a different director.
He has some good pictures under his belt (Batman, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish), but still...

I don't mind the dark atmosphere in Alice in Wonderland (American McGee fan here) so much as I mind the bland story. I mean, whenever you make Alice in Wonderland feel like generic, uninspired, cliche garbage you know you've done something wrong artistically.

[Vengeance of Bane]

The Return of the King is my least favorite of the LOTR trilogy. The highs are higher than the other two, namely the entire sequence of Sam and Frodo on Mt. Doom, but it's just not as consistent. The whole part with the ghost army feels way too rushed, and the half hour long ending is just ridiculous. Whenever I watch it, I usually just turn it off after the Ring is destroyed.

I'd have to agree with you on this. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but enjoy the first two more.

[Vengeance of Bane]

Tarantino has made two of my favorite movies, Reservoir dogs and Pulp Fiction, but I must admit I don't like the rest of the movies he's made.

[gwynplaine]

I don't mind the dark atmosphere in Alice in Wonderland (American McGee fan here) so much as I mind the bland story. I mean, whenever you make Alice in Wonderland feel like generic, uninspired, cliche garbage you know you've done something wrong artistically.
Well said and very true:up: That movie was painfully boring.

[RoboAmish]

The Return of the King is my least favorite of the LOTR trilogy. The highs are higher than the other two, namely the entire sequence of Sam and Frodo on Mt. Doom, but it's just not as consistent. The whole part with the ghost army feels way too rushed, and the half hour long ending is just ridiculous. Whenever I watch it, I usually just turn it off after the Ring is destroyed.

I'd say, as time has gone on, this has become a largely accepted opinion. Most people I talk to nowadays agree ROTK is the weakest of the trilogy and the extended endings were always contentious.

I always thought of TTT as the weakest (mostly because of the bastardisation of Faramir) but I'll have to give it another viewing... it's been a while. FOTR is by far the best and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise:o

[gwynplaine]

I have to be honest, I'm a little bored and sick with Tim Burton and that crappy creepy atmosphere in every f*ng film.
He's stuck in that, he doesn't evolve as a director. I know it's a trademark, but some movies really doesn't need that. Alice in Wonderland certainly could've been different -and much better- with a different director.
He has some good pictures under his belt (Batman, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish), but still...
I'm also tired of Depp in Burton's movies. Actually I'm a little bored with Depp schtick in general these days, it's time for him to lay off the eyeliner and start doing some serious acting again. (And no The Tourist, one of the worst movies of recent years that I've seen, doesn't count:woot:) And I haven't seen Rum Diary.

[gwynplaine]

I joined the Hype because of my feverish anticipation for TDK and was checking it every day (multiple times), now I only check out the TDKR boards occasionally. Don't get me wrong I still have high expectations for the film and I trust Nolan will deliver the goods (he more than earned my trust with TDK), but somehow I'm less excited than before. I'm a little underwhelmed by all that I'm seeing so far (prologue included), but it might have to do mostly with the absence of one the greatest Nemesis if not the greatest Nemesis of all time and my favorite comic book villain ever:hoboj:
That said I will still check TDKR in the theater in IMax, at least on the first week of its release.

[CelticPredator]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.

Hell yeah! http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

I largely agree with this:
The most underrated film of 2011 (http://io9.com/5871712/)

That movie is a stupid piece of ****.

If you want to make a Michael Bay movie, you have to be Michael Bay. He's the only one who i'll give a free pass too. No one else.

Plus, unlike Bay, that movie looks horrible. If they were doing a mockumentry, it would be cool. But to have the whole movie look like an episode of The Office? No thank you.

Can't stand that movie. It's trailer told me it would be a gritty war drama. Not a stupid generic action movie with zero character development.

[Secret Fawful]

I absolutely despised War Horse. Worst movie Spielberg has ever made.

[humbdrumb]

I'd say, as time has gone on, this has become a largely accepted opinion. Most people I talk to nowadays agree ROTK is the weakest of the trilogy and the extended endings were always contentious.

I always thought of TTT as the weakest (mostly because of the bastardisation of Faramir) but I'll have to give it another viewing... it's been a while. FOTR is by far the best and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise:o

Fellowship is by far the best, imo. The last 20 or so minutes is some of the best stuff ever filmed. Boromir's last stand still gets to me even though I've seen it countless times.

[bullets]

I absolutely despised War Horse. Worst movie Spielberg has ever made.


I've been hearing a lot of negative reviews from people I trust about that one.

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, like I said before, unfortunately I don't have a good feeling about this one.
On a side note, Munich is a very underrated movie and I still don't like Hook, even though it somehow seems to be reevaluated on the internet (maybe by people who see it through the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia.)
Probably my last unpopular opinions for 2011:woot: Happy New Year to you all!

[DCW]

I loved Cowboys and Aliens, one of my favorites of the year.

[gwynplaine]

^ Cool. I enjoyed some of it, but in the end it didn't really work for me. Personally my favorite Fantasy Western hybrid is still probably The Valley of Gwangi. But I really hope someone pulls off that difficult mix again in the near future.

[El Payaso]

^ Cool. I enjoyed some of it, but in the end it didn't really work for me. Personally my favorite Fantasy Western hybrid is still probably The Valley of Gwangi. But I really hope someone pulls off that difficult mix again in the near future.

Haven't seen Cowboys and Aliens, but I always was a fan of Gwangi. I bought the movie a few years ago and I was amazed at how good it still was.

[gwynplaine]

Haven't seen Cowboys and Aliens, but I always was a fan of Gwangi. I bought the movie a few years ago and I was amazed at how good it still was.
:up:

[spider-neil]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.


I definately prefer aliens to alien. not just because of the action, although the action is brilliant but the themes of mother and daughter. I'm talking about the extended cut where they tell ripley her daughter has passed away from old age and the loss she feels obviously gives her a special connection to newt. her motivations are superbly fleshed out so when she goes into the belly of the beast it feels earnt and totally justified.

brilliant brilliant movie and as much as I love the visual style and suspence of alien the themes of mother and daughter thrumps that movie imho. to me aliens is cameron's masterpiece.

[spider-neil]

unpopular opinion;

I prefer predator 2 to predators. the former is in my blu ray collection the latter I wont watch again as I thought it was total rubbish.

alien 3 is an underrated movie. okay the drop in quality from the first to alien movies is huge but that doesn't make it a 'bad' movie. I thought it was well acted and has suspense but it just doesn't (or can't) hit the height of the previous two movies.

[gwynplaine]

^ Cool.
To me Aliens is a fun movie, but Alien is the true masterpiece, Scott's Masterpiece. I love that the Nostromo crew are like space truckers basically, just ordinary people encountering the Angel of Death, kinda like the profane vs the sacred, where in Aliens they are more cartoonish Space Marines. And Alien was scary as s%^t:woot:
But to each their own and like I said Aliens is a very enjoyable film anyway.

[CelticPredator]

Agreed. I love both equally though. Mood dictates which one is better.

[gwynplaine]

unpopular opinion;

I prefer predator 2 to predators. the former is in my blu ray collection the latter I wont watch again as I thought it was total rubbish.

alien 3 is an underrated movie. okay the drop in quality from the first to alien movies is huge but that doesn't make it a 'bad' movie. I thought it was well acted and has suspense but it just doesn't (or can't) hit the height of the previous two movies.
I think maybe I have better, (in terms of unpopular opinion:woot:):
I don't really care for any of The Predator movies.

[spider-neil]

Tarantino has made two of my favorite movies, Reservoir dogs and Pulp Fiction, but I must admit I don't like the rest of the movies he's made.


I'm going to get flamed for this but who cares it's a 'unpopular opinion' thread

pulp fiction - genius. masterpiece. A+ utterly utterly brilliant score, acting, dialogue, cinematrography

and then...

RD
kill bill
jackie brown
IB

seriously, I don't get it. they are good movies no question about it, but they just don't have the class and swagger PF. it's like tarantino was abducted by aliens who allowed him to reach a zen state so he could create his masterpiece and then returned him to normal. it will probably come to light years from now that PF was directed by someone else.

the same aliens abducted george lucas after empire strikes back.

[CelticPredator]

Inglorious Basterds is way better then Pulp Fiction.

[gwynplaine]

I think I love PF as much as IB, both fantastic movies:up:
I like RD too, not as much though, but it's a really cool debut feature.
But I really don't like the Kill Bill movies, sorry Parker Wayne:woot::cwink:

[CelticPredator]

Someone called Kill Bill 2 the worst movie of all time. That person is an idiot.

Cool if they're not your thing...but worst of all time? Get outta here!

[spider-neil]

^ Cool.
To me Aliens is a fun movie, but Alien is the true masterpiece, Scott's Masterpiece. I love that the Nostromo crew are like space truckers basically, just ordinary people encountering the Angel of Death, kinda like the profane vs the sacred, where in Aliens they are more cartoonish Space Marines. And Alien was scary as s%^t:woot:
But to each their own and like I said Aliens is a very enjoyable film anyway.

I often feel scott is a better visionary than director. is visual style is without equal but I think sometimes his pacing is a bit off in that he wants to show you his wonderful world and holds the camera so you can look at it but a director like cameron builds a wonderful world but the pacing is bang bang bang and it's with repeat veiwings that you take the world in.

this isn't a critisism of scott because more than anything when I watch a movie I want to be taken to another world (metaphroically speaking) and I want to explore that world.

alien and aliens is pretty much the two directors style in microcosm

[spider-neil]

I think I love PF as much as IB, both fantastic movies:up:
I like RD too, not as much though, but it's a really cool debut feature.
But I really don't like the Kill Bill movies, sorry Parker Wayne:woot::cwink:

maybe PF just struck a cord with me but to mind if PF is a perfect '10' tarantino hasn't made another movie that rates higher than a '7' (compared to PF)

[gwynplaine]

Someone called Kill Bill 2 the worst movie of all time. That person is an idiot.

Cool if they're not your thing...but worst of all time? Get outta here!
Yeah agreed, not my cup of tea but definitely not the worst movie of all time. (That would be The Tourist with Depp and Jolie:woot::cwink:)

[gwynplaine]

I often feel scott is a better visionary than director. is visual style is without equal but I think sometimes his pacing is a bit off in that he wants to show you his wonderful world and holds the camera so you can look at it but a director like cameron builds a wonderful world but the pacing is bang bang bang and it's with repeat veiwings that you take the world in.

this is a critisism of scott because more than anything when I watch a movie I want to be taken to another world (metaphroically speaking) and I want to explore that world.

alien and aliens is pretty much the two directors style in microcosm
It's a matter of taste, so it's hard to discuss really.
Have you seen Scott's The Duelists? That movie really takes you to another world.

[spider-neil]

I've just finished watching the hitchcock movies and I can see why he gets his high praise, the guy is a master of suspense and pacing but...


I thought the birds was a terrible movie.

20-30 should have been shaved off vertigo

and his best movie (imho) was rear window which is a masterpiece in regards to 'slow burn'.

[spider-neil]

It's a matter of taste, so it's hard to discuss really.
Have you seen Scott's The Duelists? That movie really takes you to another world.

no I haven't but;
alien
legend
blade runner

three utterly stunning worlds, fully fleshed out. you really just want to stare at the world he places you in.

[gwynplaine]

I've just finished watching the hitchcock movies and I can see why he gets his high praise, the guy is a master of suspense and pacing but...


I thought the birds was a terrible movie.

20-30 should have been shaved off vertigo

and his best movie (imho) was rear window which is a masterpiece in regards to 'slow burn'.
Agreed:up:
To me his masterpiece is "Psycho" though. A movie truly ahead of its time and with Norman Bates, one of the greatest screen villains. But once again, just a matter of taste and to each its own.

[spider-neil]

while I'm on a roll

it's really unimaginable that the writer of 'new hope' would one day pen 'phantom menace', the writer of 'raiders' would one day pen 'crystal skull'

that's like shakespare going on to write the twilight saga.

[gwynplaine]

no I haven't but;
alien
legend
blade runner

three utterly stunning worlds, fully fleshed out. you really just want to stare at the world he places you in.
I highly recommend The Duelists, it's his second best film after Alien:cwink: and really an amazing movie.

[spider-neil]

Agreed:up:
To me his masterpiece is "Psycho" though. A movie truly ahead of its time and with Norman Bates, one of the greatest screen villains. But once again, just a matter of taste and to each its own.

I was taken aback at the '15' rating. argubly the best horror movie of all time and it's not an '18' rated movie.

[spider-neil]

I highly recommend The Duelists, it's his second best film after Alien:cwink: and really an amazing movie.

scott scares me and I now watch his movie with trepidation after kindom of heaven which has scared me for life (the less said about robin hood the better). although I will obviously watch prometheus.

[CelticPredator]

I havent seen it. But did you watch the cut to hell version, or the directors cut?

[gwynplaine]

while I'm on a roll

it's really unimaginable that the writer of 'new hope' would one day pen 'phantom menace', the writer of 'raiders' would one day pen 'crystal skull'

that's like shakespare going on to write the twilight saga.
Haha. Yeah, from New Hope to Phantom Menace, it just doesn't make sense, but didn't Lawrence Kasdan, a great screenwriter, have a strong hand in the writing of raiders though (and nothing to do with Skull whatsoever, which really shows unfortunately?)

[CelticPredator]

The writer of Raiders had nothing to do with Skull.

[spider-neil]

question;

when a director makes his masterpiece should he continue making movies, even though he will never hit that height again?

[spider-neil]

The writer of Raiders had nothing to do with Skull.

opps! apologise to lucas

[gwynplaine]

scott scares me and I now watch his movie with trepidation after kindom of heaven which has scared me for life (the less said about robin hood the better). although I will obviously watch prometheus.
Yeah, that makes sense. But The Duelists is Scott's first film, he is hungry, young and ready to show the world what he is capable of and, boy, does he do just that. Harvey Keitel is amazing in it.

[HighFivingMF]

question;

when a director makes his masterpiece should he continue making movies, even though he will never hit that height again?

I don't see how you can know something is truly your masterpiece until you see your entire catalog laid out to compare.

[gwynplaine]

The writer of Raiders had nothing to do with Skull.
Yeah, my point lol.

[spider-neil]

Haha. Yeah, from New Hope to Phantom Menace, it just doesn't make sense, but didn't Lawrence Kasdan, a great screenwriter, have a strong hand in the writing of raiders though (and nothing to do with Skull whatsoever, which really shows unfortunately?)

I watched new hope and the movie is stunning.
especially great is the way the movie opens essentially in the middle of the story but it done so well you are completely caught up to speed with who the heroes are and who the villians are. brilliant.

[gwynplaine]

question;

when a director makes his masterpiece should he continue making movies, even though he will never hit that height again?
I don't think so. That means Kubrick stops at Dr Strangelove and Spielberg at Jaws. But they both made other masterpieces after.

[gwynplaine]

I watched new hope and the movie is stunning.
especially great is the way the movie opens essentially in the middle of the story but it done so well you are completely caught up to speed with who the heroes are and who the villians are. brilliant.
:up:

[spider-neil]

I don't see how you can know something is truly your masterpiece until you see your entire catalog laid out to compare.

that's a very good point but it's sometimes sad to see a great director tarnish his legacy by continuing, like ali not knowing when to quit.

[CelticPredator]

Directors should keep making films as long as they can. Not every film can be good. It's what they love. Why should they stop?

[spider-neil]

I don't think so. That means Kubrick stops at Dr Strangelove and Spielberg at Jaws. But they both made other masterpieces after.

good points well made :yay:

[gwynplaine]

Directors should keep making films as long as they can. Not every film can be good. It's what they love. Why should they stop?
:up:

[spider-neil]

Directors should keep making films as long as they can. Not every film can be good. It's what they love. Why should they stop?

it's true. I guess no director sets out to make a bad movie. it's weird though how some movies everything can come together and you get pure magic, how do you bottle that?

an example, iron man. that movie is amazing, like they caught the genie in the bottle and haven't got close to that since. what's the secret?

[gwynplaine]

it's true. I guess no director sets out to make a bad movie. it's weird though how some movies everything can come together and you get pure magic, how do you bottle that?

an example, iron man. that movie is amazing, like they caught the genie in the bottle and haven't got close to that since. what's the secret?
Good point. It feels like a good/great movie is almost like a small miracle. It's like all the planets aligned or something.

[spider-neil]

Good point. It feels like a good/great movie is almost like a small miracle. It's like all the planets aligned or something.


definately. look at matrix, one of my all time favorite movies and connects with me on so many different levels and then the sequels, seriously WTF?!
that 'spark' the sequels just don't have it and it's not just because the original was new and fresh.

really difficult to put your finger on what makes a great movie. I saw social network and was utterly gripped by that movie to the put where I stayed in my seat until after the credits to see if his ex had accepted his friend request.
pure cinematic magic.

[munchie64]

Looking forward to Prometheus of course.
On a related and unpopular note (hopefully:woot:), Alien is so much better than Aliens. Aliens is enjoyable, but really not in the same league as Alien.
100% agreed, I don't know where the MASSIVE praise comes from. In fact if I wanted to be really unpopular I'd say the same thing about Terminator 2. It's an amazing movie, sure, but just because it has a little character development doesn't mean it's like "the smartest action movie ever" and that Cameron did anything to outstandingly different.

[The Morningstar]

scott scares me and I now watch his movie with trepidation after kindom of heaven which has scared me for life (the less said about robin hood the better). although I will obviously watch prometheus.

Kingdom of Heaven, the directors cut, is a masterpiece.

[humbdrumb]

Ridley is probably the best world builder in the history of film. He's a master of mise en scene.

[Lord]

Del Toro's Hellboy movies weren't as good as they should have been, i mean, they were very well made and i don't remember any other director that could have done it. But the great athmosphere from that comics that included an influence from classic horror wasn't used much, it was mostly changed for cheesiness some times

[Thebumwhowalks]

Ridley is probably the best world builder in the history of film. He's a master of mise en scene.

Well, in terms of the 'lived in' feel of the future tech of Alien and Blade Runner, he got that from Lucas' Star Wars, he said so specifically of this aesthetic influnce in a doc on Star Wars. And in the broader sense, he also said that SW changed his whole viewpoint on what he wanted to with his filmaking, opened up his eyes to the possibilities of what kind of scope you could bring to the screen.
Like, he said something along the lins of , 'What am I doing making films like duellists, when i could be making a film like this?'
Now, you might think the Duellists is a better film than SW, but you know what he means, he means that something like the Duelists could be just as well told in a novel, whereas films like SW use the full potential of sound and image combined to achieve a level of storytelling that only film can produce.

[Lord]

thebumwhowalks?
Why did you take me out of your friends list?
Did i say anything against?

[Secret Fawful]

thebumwhowalks?
Why did you take me out of your friends list?
Did i say anything against?

He does that all the time over nothing.

[Thebumwhowalks]

thebumwhowalks?
Why did you take me out of your friends list?
Did i say anything against?


jeez louise, i have taken you off it twice, it's nothing personal, i told you before that i don't generally go for all of that 'freinds list' stuff. I have had people ask me to be friends with them on the list before, so they could then catch me off guard when they went in for an attack. So, I don't like to put folk on the list, I prefer folk to just naturally feel like they are my online friend through interactions, you don't have to necesarily advertise it, if the friendship is real, then it will take care of itself.
eg there was one guy on here who asked to be put on my friends list, then a pal of his deliberately led me into an argument, they both tried to make out i started it, and the friends list guy then claimed i was making him 'mentally ill' and he would have to leave the forum...haha, which was a lot of bs just to try and turn people against me. Everyone watching soon realised it was his pal who started that argument deliberately.
This guy who asked to be on the list is still on the forum, and is one of the biggest ass-kissing phoneys on here. He's not the delicate little sensitive flower he tried to make out he was.

if you really wanna be on my fl, go for it, i will take you off if i go in a huff with the forum in general though, haha.

i will ask you to be my friend and then you can go back on the list if you want, sheesh, haha.

[HighFivingMF]

jeez louise, i have taken you off it twice, it's nothing personal, i told you before that i don't generally go for all of that 'freinds list' stuff. I have had people ask me to be friends with them on the list before, so they could then catch me off guard when they went in for an attack. So, I don't like to put folk on the list, I prefer folk to just naturally feel like they are my online friend through interactions, you don't have to necesarily advertise it, if the friendship is real, then it will take care of itself.
eg there was one guy on here who asked to be put on my friends list, then a pal of his deliberately led me into an argument, they both tried to make out i started it, and the friends list guy then claimed i was making him 'mentally ill' and he would have to leave the forum...haha, which was a lot of bs just to try and turn people against me. Everyone watching soon realised it was his pal who started that argument deliberately.
This guy who asked to be on the list is still on the forum, and is one of the biggest ass-kissing phoneys on here. He's not the delicate little sensitive flower he tried to make out he was.

if you really wanna be on my fl, go for it, i will take you off if i go in a huff with the forum in general though, haha.

Hey, do you know where I can find a good instructional video on how to make a tin foil hat to keep them from stealing my thoughts?

[Thebumwhowalks]

Hey, do you know where I can find a good instructional video on how to make a tin foil hat to keep them from stealing my thoughts?

Hey, I thought in the great *sigh* war, didn't you hear my sub? were you concious? I am the bum, can you read my behind?

[LOBO3315a]

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CNvUhb6Yr9PUVBDYBRhaMggt91sag6aFrQ

This might make the movie worth watching again! If he doesn't make a mention of "The Voice", I'd be highly surprised.

[Sentinel X]

jeez louise, i have taken you off it twice, it's nothing personal, i told you before that i don't generally go for all of that 'freinds list' stuff. I have had people ask me to be friends with them on the list before, so they could then catch me off guard when they went in for an attack. So, I don't like to put folk on the list, I prefer folk to just naturally feel like they are my online friend through interactions, you don't have to necesarily advertise it, if the friendship is real, then it will take care of itself.
eg there was one guy on here who asked to be put on my friends list, then a pal of his deliberately led me into an argument, they both tried to make out i started it, and the friends list guy then claimed i was making him 'mentally ill' and he would have to leave the forum...haha, which was a lot of bs just to try and turn people against me. Everyone watching soon realised it was his pal who started that argument deliberately.
This guy who asked to be on the list is still on the forum, and is one of the biggest ass-kissing phoneys on here. He's not the delicate little sensitive flower he tried to make out he was.

if you really wanna be on my fl, go for it, i will take you off if i go in a huff with the forum in general though, haha.

i will ask you to be my friend and then you can go back on the list if you want, sheesh, haha.
:dry:


Anyways,
I don't like Good Will Hunting.....at all. Very overrated film.

[Parker Wayne]

Sadly, here's another thread the bum has tainted.

[Lord]

Sadly, here's another thread the bum has tainted.
Sorry, the fault was mine for asking that here :woot:

[Thebumwhowalks]

Sadly, here's another thread the bum has tainted.

Give it up son.

[Parker Wayne]

A bum post that's less than paragraph? What? :wow:

[Thebumwhowalks]

Anyway, just to get the thread moving again...since the Matrix Reloaded gets a lot of panning, I guess this could be considered unpopular, but, I think that this scene from the film is probably the best representation onscreen of the type of action we see in superhero comics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7yR1bsKq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7yR1bsKq8

[Darkness Falls]

i like Richard Roxburgh's incredibly hammy and over the top portrayal of Dracula in Van Helsing

[Mario_Galaxy]

I really couldn't get into Hugo

[CelticPredator]

2011 was an awesome year for movies.

Provided you're not a snob.

[spider-neil]

Sadly, here's another thread the bum has tainted.


bum + tainted = skid mark :woot:

[gwynplaine]

I really couldn't get into Hugo
The things I liked about Hugo were Ben Kingsley as Melies, one of the greatest living actor in another great role. Seeing parts of Melies' original films, that I had never seen before, recreated by Scorsese, in 3D. And in general I was curious to see Scorsese's take on 3D and I thought the result was interesting to watch. I also liked the fact that it was Scorsese's love letter to movies, but it's definitely not at the top of his impressive filmo imo.

I would go:

_ GoodFellas
_ Taxi Driver
_ Casino
_ Cape Fear
_ Raging Bull
_ Mean Streets

And I've never liked After Hours and never seen The Last Temptation.

[gwynplaine]

2011 was an awesome year for movies.

Provided you're not a snob.
I don't think so and I like all kinds of movies and don't think I'm a film snob either. But it's true there were some really good movies and I'm glad you liked it. 2012 looks more promising to me.

[CelticPredator]

It was 5 movies that made this year amazing for me.

Super 8, MI4, Captain America, and Rise of the Apes, and X-Men First Class.

We finally made good sequels/hero flicks again.

[gwynplaine]

It was 5 movies that made this year amazing for me.

Super 8, MI4, Captain America, and Rise of the Apes, and X-Men First Class.

We finally made good sequels/hero flicks again.
Good point. I loved them all, with a special mention for MI4 which blew me away in IMax. Long Live Brad Bird lol.

[Parker Wayne]

Taxi driver is #1 for me, followed by goodfellas, then raging bull.

That's my top tier of Scorcese.

[CelticPredator]

And really, I only mentioned the film snobs because the one's who reside in the Batboards all scoffed at those films I mentioned. Scoffed. Loons. :o

Brad Bird is a genius. :D

[gwynplaine]

And really, I only mentioned the film snobs because the one's who reside in the Batboards all scoffed at those films I mentioned. Scoffed. Loons. :o

Brad Bird is a genius. :D
:up:

[hammerhedd11]

I think if we get two to three really great films a year, it's a good year.

[gwynplaine]

Taxi driver is #1 for me, followed by goodfellas, then raging bull.

That's my top tier of Scorcese.
That's not unpopular:cwink:

[gwynplaine]

I think if we get two to three really great films a year, it's a good year.
Good point. But some years we get more than that. Maybe they're just exceptional years.

[Parker Wayne]

That's not unpopular:cwink:

It was more a response to discussion about Scorsese than an unpopular opinion :yay:

[HighFivingMF]

Do I need to see the other Mission Impossible movies to understand this one? Or should I? I really want to see this one but the other 3 don't seem too interesting to me. Unless anyone recommends them.

[gwynplaine]

It was more a response to discussion about Scorsese than an unpopular opinion :yay:
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I was just kidding anyway:yay:

[Mario_Galaxy]

The things I liked about Hugo were Ben Kingsley as Melies, one of the greatest living actor in another great role. Seeing parts of Melies' original films, that I had never seen before, recreated by Scorsese, in 3D. And in general I was curious to see Scorsese's take on 3D and I thought the result was interesting to watch. I also liked the fact that it was Scorsese's love letter to movies, but it's definitely not at the top of his impressive filmo imo.

I would go:

_ GoodFellas
_ Taxi Driver
_ Casino
_ Cape Fear
_ Raging Bull
_ Mean Streets

And I've never liked After Hours and never seen The Last Temptation.
Kingsley was the only thing I was really enjoying. That entire backstory/original films sequence was pretty cool actually. But the rest of the movie leading up to it....eh.

[gwynplaine]

Do I need to see the other Mission Impossible movies to understand this one? Or should I? I really want to see this one but the other 3 don't seem too interesting to me. Unless anyone recommends them.
I don't think you do. Tom Cruise/Ethan Hunt is a spy, he works with a team and their job are impossible missions. I recommend 1 and 3 though, not perfect movies but pretty enjoyable. Stay away from 2 at all costs:woot:

[gwynplaine]

Kingsley was the only thing I was really enjoying. That entire backstory/original films sequence was pretty cool actually. But the rest of the movie leading up to it....eh.
I agree.

[CelticPredator]

2 is awful...but has some cool action. Use the skip button frequently. :D

[The Morningstar]

People scoffed at Mi4 and Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Whut? See this is why people hate those Nolan fanatics. They're geeks in the truest sense of the word. But they are stuck up their own arses and think they are connoisseurs of cinema or something.

This links into my unpopular opinion. I saw some Batfan say Chris Nolan was the best director out there. Errrrr... no. No where near.

[CelticPredator]

He isn't. But he's in the top 10 best directors of the 2000's. He hasn't made a bad film yet.

Still. People worship the dude too much. I remember some people were shocked when they heard he curses like a sailor. :hehe:

[The Morningstar]

Yea he has. Insomnia was pretty crap. And for me TDK is overrated, bloated, self important, devoid of any fun, err... crap. lol.

The Prestige and Memento are truly great films yea. But I wouldn't put him in the top 10 directors out there.

But i know what would happen if i listed all the directors I think are better. I'd have people saying "Pah! But none of their movies have deep, underlying themes and messages. They are all shallow compared to Nolan!"

Look, **** underlying themes and messages. **** em all. Especially when they are done so heavily handed and on the nose like Nolan does them.

Ugh rant over. I'm sorry, it's early and i'm out of coffee.

[CelticPredator]

I love Insomnia.

But i'm talking strictly directors who came out of the 2000's.

People like Zack Snyder, Uwe Boll, and Brad Bird. (kinda...live action wise anyway)

[The Morningstar]

Oh right. Hmmm... maybe he is then. I'll have to have a think about it.

[Sentinel X]

Yea he has. Insomnia was pretty crap. And for me TDK is overrated, bloated, self important, devoid of any fun, err... crap. lol.

The Prestige and Memento are truly great films yea. But I wouldn't put him in the top 10 directors out there.

But i know what would happen if i listed all the directors I think are better. I'd have people saying "Pah! But none of their movies have deep, underlying themes and messages. They are all shallow compared to Nolan!"

Look, **** underlying themes and messages. **** em all. Especially when they are done so heavily handed and on the nose like Nolan does them.

Ugh rant over. I'm sorry, it's early and i'm out of coffee. Wait...so does every director have to make their themes subtle? :huh: As long as they are not pontificating their themes I don't see the problem. There isn't one fixed way of doing things and I have heard this particular complaint quite often for many other film directors as well. Secondly, do you care to define subtle? What are some movies you consider to have subtle themes? (just curious)

[HighFivingMF]

Does anyone else picture Nic Cage stomping around shouting all of Morningstar's posts?

[HighFivingMF]

I don't think you do. Tom Cruise/Ethan Hunt is a spy, he works with a team and their job are impossible missions. I recommend 1 and 3 though, not perfect movies but pretty enjoyable. Stay away from 2 at all costs:woot:

I'll get on it. And I'll have my finger on Fast Forward during 2. Thanks to you and Celtic.

[Evil Twin]

The Coens had a better decade than Nolan. And, all their movies were distinctly in their own voice. There are other directors that I'd say that had a better decade as well, but Nolan probably had as good a decade as anyone working in the Hollywood blockbuster system, although Spielberg had an underrated decade with big blockbusters like Minority Report, A.I., and War of the Worlds, combined with challenging material like Munich, and a smaller, lighter, character piece like Catch Me if You Can. It's harder to do light and "effortless" than it appears.

Unpopular opinion, Annie Hall is better than Star Wars. And fully deserved to win Best Picture. Star Wars is more influential, but a) that wasn't apparent in 1977 and b) it's called "Best Picture" not "Most Influential Picture".

[The Morningstar]

Wait...so does every director have to make their themes subtle? :huh: As long as they are not pontificating their themes I don't see the problem. There isn't one fixed way of doing things and I have heard this particular complaint quite often for many other film directors as well. Secondly, do you care to define subtle? What are some movies you consider to have subtle themes? (just curious)

Subtle is not having characters going on long speeches about a theme of the movie ie Alfred's "tangerine" speech and Harvey Dent's speech at the dinner table. Or Joker's speech in the interrogation room. Then there is Gordon's fourth wall breaking monologue at the end.

Nolan does pontificate the themes I think. He's having the characters TELL us all this stuff, in unnatural dialogue. I don't want to be told, I want to be shown.

For an example where I like how it's done is Blade Runner. You don't have any characters actually utter the lines "Are the replicants more human than humans? If they are, what does it mean to be human?" or "Is Deckard a replicant". See Scott posed those questions just with the story and the way the characters behaved and interacted etc.

If that movie was done by Nolan I bet there would be dialogue along those lines actually spoken by characters. And for me, that is annoying.

[Sentinel X]

Subtle is not having characters going on long speeches about a theme of the movie ie Alfred's "tangerine" speech and Harvey Dent's speech at the dinner table. Or Joker's speech in the interrogation room. Then there is Gordon's fourth wall breaking monologue at the end.

Nolan does pontificate the themes I think. He's having the characters TELL us all this stuff, in unnatural dialogue. I don't want to be told, I want to be shown.

For an example where I like how it's done is Blade Runner. You don't have any characters actually utter the lines "Are the replicants more human than humans? If they are, what does it mean to be human?" or "Is Deckard a replicant". See Scott posed those questions just with the story and the way the characters behaved and interacted etc.

If that movie was done by Nolan I bet there would be dialogue along those lines actually spoken by characters. And for me, that is annoying. I can definitely agree with some of those examples you used. For instance, I think the tangerine scene was just horrible and awkward,I don't think it necessarily had to do with it not being subtle though, I just think it was a bad monologue. I also hated Gordon's speech at the end when I first saw it, just felt extremely forced, but I can deal with it (not tangerine though :oldrazz:)
However, I think Joker interrogation scene was really well done and that wasn't subtle (at all) with its themes of anarchy and group think. I think the key here might be the authenticity of the dialogue.

I was just trying to voice the opinion that subtle themes are not automatically better per say. A director could shoot a scene, blatantly expressing the film's themes and it can still work great. Thats why I said as long as the characters aren't pontificating the themes, I'm cool...because as soon as they do that the dialogue loses its authenticity imo. But you're right, the dialogue in The Dark Knight is even more awkward then I seem to have remembered :dry:

[The Morningstar]

It's cool man. But even though I brought up the Joker's speech, I do agree it still worked. But that's because of the acting I think. In a lesser actors hands that dialogue could have been really bad.

And yea I agree that it doesn't have to be subtle to work or be good, but it's just... ehhh I hate it when characters spell it out so blatantly and unnaturally. It takes me out of the movie.

Another really great example is that scene in Children of Men. The part where the war is going on, then the soldiers realise there is a new baby, and it goes silent. Not a word spoken, but it's just so powerful and easy to understand. Probably my favourite scene in any film, ever.

[Sentinel X]

I love that scene is Children of Men, its so heart-warming. And one of the reasons, as you mentioned, its so powerful because there is NO dialogue! I think directors overuse dialogue at times. Sometimes you just have to let the scenes speak for themselves. If there was talking in that scene would it have been as great? I say hell no. :o

Another scene with little dialogue that I adore is the pool scene in Let the Right One In, its almost poetic in a way. Pixar also do scenes like this perfectly, as exemplified in the Up montage and numerous scenes in Wall-E

[Evil Twin]

Kurosawa is a pretty good example of non-subtle themes working. I wouldn't call Rashomon particularly subtle in its exploration of the subjectivity of truth, for example, although I think Kurosawa is subtle at the end in suggesting that there are still universal truths re: the abandoned baby.

I'd say that Nolan's ideas are better than his ability with dialogue. Sometimes he's really solid, much of Memento for example. Other times he's nail hitting obvious, see Batman Begins and "fear".