2011 NFL Thread: Playoffs? You kidding me?

[enterthemadness]

Denver just setting up for that Tebow Time. Like Delhomme Magic, just no Bojangles tv ads.

[StorminNorman]

If your Jeff Fisher, would you rather coach in Tampa or St. Louis?

[Matt]

They should get Jay Gruden.

Actually a pretty good idea. Though it seems like the Glazers want a big name, possibly with a ring.

[enterthemadness]

Actually a pretty good idea. Though it seems like the Glazers want a big name, possibly with a ring.

Madden........

[Immortalfire]

Falcons are up 42-7..they just pulled Matt Ryan for the day.

[StorminNorman]

Actually a pretty good idea. Though it seems like the Glazers want a big name, possibly with a ring.

I am thinking Jeff Fisher.

I also think Rob Ryan ends up in either Jacksonville or Miami.

[Matt]

If your Jeff Fisher, would you rather coach in Tampa or St. Louis?

St. Louis. The ownership is more committed to spending money. Plus they are in a much weaker division than Tampa Bay which makes it much easier to make the playoffs.

[Immortalfire]

Rob and Rex in the same division would be pretty hilarious.

[Matt]

Madden........

I don't know if you're joking or not....

Falcons are up 42-7..they just pulled Matt Ryan for the day.

Smart move. At any rate, that first half has put the final nail in the coffin of Raheem Morris' career in Tampa. I hope he likes the steel city because after that first half....a position coach on his best friend's team may be the most he can hope for.

I am thinking Jeff Fisher.

I also think Rob Ryan ends up in either Jacksonville or Miami.

I think Rex's reputation will ultimately keep Rob from becoming a head coach this year.

I could actually see Wade Phillips in Miami as they too want a "big name," (but a real big name won't go there, especially since they blew the Luck lottery) and he has done well enough with the Texans. Plus he is willing to be a mediocre GM's yes-man.

I think that Russ Grimm is going to go to Jacksonville. I don't think any high profile coach will want the job, nor will any hot coordinator. Russ Grimm DESPERATELY wants an NFL head coaching job. He has a cooled off a lot since 2008. I think that the stars will finally align as he will be their best option and he has no other choices. Perry Fewell is another one in that boat. Big name coordinator, no real options and he is getting really fed up with being Mr. Rooney Rule, so he may accept Jacksonville.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Lions blew it today. Golden opportunity to lock up the 5th seed and avoid Breesus Christ in the Wildcard Round. How they could be so good on offense and so pathetic on defense just boggles the mind? Not that the officiating helped them much either. Them ruling Young's TD not to be a catch was a complete joke, and it's a bigger joke that those calls aren't reviewed.

Saints will hang 70 on us next weekend if we play like this again...

Also is Matt Flynn now going to be the next Matt Cassell?

[Poeman]

Lions blew it today. Golden opportunity to lock up the 5th seed and avoid Breesus Christ in the Wildcard Round. How they could be so good on offense and so pathetic on defense just boggles the mind? Not that the officiating helped them much either. Them ruling Young's TD not to be a catch was a complete joke, and it's a bigger joke that those calls aren't reviewed.

Saints will hang 70 on us next weekend if we play like this again...

Also is Matt Flynn now going to be the next Matt Cassell?

Other then the contract, he will be better then Cassel

[Matt]

Rapistberger is still playing. :facepalm:

[SpideyInATree]

I know. I thought maybe they'd have some brains and take him out at the half.

That was a HECK of a run by Redman. Looks like they are wising up a little bit and pounding the ball old school Steelers style.

[Donut]

Rapistberger is still playing. :facepalm:
I guess they want him to get hurt ?

[SpideyInATree]

They also want to lose this game I think. Ben throws it RIGHT to the Browns defender. Thanks to that guy sucking Steelers somehow still have the ball.

Bad ankle. High wind. It's raining now. Hey, lets throw a LONG BOMB. :whatever::oldrazz:

I want to see Tomlin fired so bad.

[Matt]

Thank God for the effin defense. If Tomlin some how forces LeBeau out in favor of Raheem Morris I will personally smack each and every Rooney.

[SpideyInATree]

Are you serious? LeBeau is like the one DECENT thing about the coaching staff right now. The fans here will flip if they force LeBeau out.

Now the Steelers are doing what needs to be done. Get those turnovers on defense. Quick short passes and pound that ball with Redman.

[Donut]

Looking at the Denver score. Could Jesus be showing up soon ?

[SpideyInATree]

Looking at the Denver score. Could Jesus be showing up soon ?

No. I think Jesus is showing up in Ohio. Bengals just scored and made it a game. The Steelers finally had good play calling and got a TD. If they take Hobbling Rape boy out of the game then it's a miracle.

[Donut]

No. I think Jesus is showing up in Ohio. Bengals just scored and made it a game. The Steelers finally had good play calling and got a TD. If they take Hobbling Rape boy out of the game then it's a miracle.

Jesus could probably be in two places at once & work double duty. Time will tell

[Matt]

1,000 for Hines! :woot:

[SpideyInATree]

Definitely awesome for Hines. I didn't think he was going to get it but then they started to hit him there in the second half. FINALLY! :woot:

Now if the Steelers can drive this...get another TD. Then the Bengals drive it and get a TD for the victory. It will be a sweet, but sloppy win!

[enterthemadness]

Atlanta...Y U NO STOMP ON TAMPA?!?!

42-24 Atl...24 unanswered by Bucs...

[Matt]

Definitely awesome for Hines. I didn't think he was going to get it but then they started to hit him there in the second half. FINALLY! :woot:

Now if the Steelers can drive this...get another TD. Then the Bengals drive it and get a TD for the victory. It will be a sweet, but sloppy win!

It's kind of bitter sweet, because in my opinion, it basically ensures that Hines will retire. Oh well, it is better than him retiring with another team (which would have happened if they didn't get him to 1,000).

[SpideyInATree]

Well, so much for that drive by the Steelers and the Bengals. Both teams fumbled almost at the exact same time. Looks like Jesus left to go with Tebow now. :oldrazz:

[Matt]

Yep. Ravens scored. Jesus stuck around to help Hines out, but beyond that, Jesus doesn't have time for rapists or gingers. :(

[enterthemadness]

Well, so much for that drive by the Steelers and the Bengals. Both teams fumbled almost at the exact same time. Looks like Jesus left to go with Tebow now. :oldrazz:

He's going to Atlanta to give Bucs the greatest comeback ever.

[SpideyInATree]

Jesus has given his child the ball at their own 20 yard line. The power of Jesus will compel Tebow for a comeback victory! :wow::oldrazz:

[Matt]

For goodness sakes Tomlin, put in the second stringers! It is a two score games with 5 minutes left in Baltimore! Do not let anyone else get injured! Just put in the second string!

[enterthemadness]

Tomlin=dumb?

[Matt]

To put it nicely.

[SpideyInATree]

Tomlin=dumb?

No need for the question mark. :oldrazz:

[enterthemadness]

No need for the question mark. :oldrazz:

Ah.

[Kane52630]

Jesus has given his child the ball at their own 20 yard line. The power of Jesus will compel Tebow for a comeback victory! :wow::oldrazz:

MILArKLKUEk

[Matt]

This should be a three possession game right now. If a pocket passer, were in for their pocket passing game plan, things would be going so much better for the Steelers. I can count at least ten big plays that have failed in this game because Ben Rapistberger is a terrible pocket passer. Charlie Batch on the other hand is a good pocket passer. Tomlin needs to take control of his team. His buddy Raheem Morris' team has entirely quit on him because of the lack of discipline and respect for their head coach. Dick LeBeau won't always be around to bail Tomlin out. He needs to either completely change his coaching philosophy or watch as his team continues to regress as Cowher players leave. The Colts should be a cautionary tale to the Steelers, because they are showing exactly what happens when a team built by a great coach begins to age under a mediocre coach.

[Poeman]

Broncos and Raiders dont deserve to be in. But man I hate the Raiders,so lets go chaaaaghaz

[CConn]

The problem is, the Chargers don't deserve it either.

[enterthemadness]

Broncos and Raiders dont deserve to be in. But man I hate the Raiders,so lets go chaaaaghaz

Broncos+8-8 record+AFC West Title=Super Bowl Champs.

Yeah, yeah Hype, I've called it.

[Matt]

Bruce Arians thinks those short passes on 3rd and short are the smartest play on Earth. And they work fine when you're playing a **** secondary. Joe Haden has shown exactly what happens when you try that **** against a decent cornerback.

[Donut]

:doh:Broncos+8-8 record+AFC West Title=Super Bowl Champs.

Yeah, yeah Hype, I've called it.

Tim Tebow vs Tom Brady in the Superbowl

Gods nephew & the Devil VS the Jesus guy

[Immortalfire]

Man, Broncos/Chiefs was quite the yawner.

[Matt]

Well Tomlin, three players are injured. 60 minutes of running couldn't have been good for Rapistberger's ankle. And for what? A thoroughly unimpressive and ultimately meaningless win over the Browns? Well done.

[SpideyInATree]

:doh:

Tim Tebow vs Tom Brady in the Superbowl

Gods nephew & the Devil VS the Jesus guy

Considering that Pats and Broncos are both in the AFC that's actually impossible. Maybe in the AFC Championship...not the Super Bowl.

[Immortalfire]

:doh:

Tim Tebow vs Tom Brady in the Superbowl

Gods nephew & the Devil VS the Jesus guy

It would be quite amazing to see 2 AFC teams in the Super Bowl.

[Poeman]

Wait how did the Bengals make the playoffs? I thought it was the Titans...They needed a Bengals loss to make it

[Spiderine]

Titans needed help from Oak and Den.

[Poeman]

Bengals are gonna be scary in the playoffs

[Spiderine]

They beat the Texans this year. So yeah, scary for them.

[Matt]

Holy ****, Fitzgerald is the man.

[Poeman]

Fitz made one unreal catch...Wish he was a Jet

[Boom]

The Ravens/Bengals game had some of the worst officiating I have ever seen.

[Immortalfire]

I saw that catch. :eek: Larry is one of my favorite guys in the league :up:

[Matt]

Wait how did the Bengals make the playoffs? I thought it was the Titans...They needed a Bengals loss to make it

The Titans needed the Jets to win believe it or not, because that created a three way tie between the Jets, Bengals and Titans. Tennessee won a three way tie breaker, but they do not beat the Bengals in a heads up tie breaker, so Cinci gets it.

Bengals are gonna be scary in the playoffs

Not really. They may beat the injury plagued Texans, but they aren't at a level where they can compete with any of the major teams. Then again, it is the playoffs.

Honestly, I feel bad for Cincy fans. Marvin Lewis has just locked up his job for two more years at least. Next year, when they are mediocre again, Lewis can fall back on, "I made playoffs." Once again, he did just enough to justify his job for a few more years and unfortunately, the coach who really turned them around (Jay Gruden) will definitely get an HC job in the next year or so (when he should be the Bengals HC).

[Kane52630]

I saw that catch. :eek: Larry is one of my favorite guys in the league :up:

Yeah that was amazing stuff :up:

[Matt]

I saw that catch. :eek: Larry is one of my favorite guys in the league :up:

I REALLY wish Arizona would get a real quarterback. Josh Skelton looks like he could be that guy....but he is REALLY inconsistent. A real QB in Arizona could make this team tremendous. They have so many offensive weapons and a great offensive coaching staff but lack a field general to really utilize them.

If they could get that and a really good defensive coordinator (Spags is available), they could easily challenge the 49ers for the division.

[Kane52630]

I'm really hoping for a great game from the Giants and Cowboys. Of course I want the Giants to win (and more importantly for Cowboys to lose) but I want it to be entertaining like week 14.

[Immortalfire]

I REALLY wish Arizona would get a real quarterback. Josh Skelton looks like he could be that guy....but he is REALLY inconsistent. A real QB in Arizona could make this team tremendous. They have so many offensive weapons and a great offensive coaching staff but lack a field general to really utilize them.

If they could get that and a really good defensive coordinator (Spags is available), they could easily challenge the 49ers for the division.

I think we need Rowsdower to give us a THIS GUY talk about how great Skelton is.

[CConn]

They should really just forgo the Denver game and give the Steelers a bye week.

[SpideyInATree]

They should really just forgo the Denver game and give the Steelers a bye week.

You never know though. The way the Steelers played against the Browns anything can happen. It will be awesome to see how Tebow does against the Steelers defense.

[Hound55]

Roethlisberger has made it all kinds of clear that it is his choice, not Tomlin's, which says a lot about how poorly the team is being run. Tomlin is letting a player do what is best for himself while risking what is best for the team.

Also, Packers beat Detroit without Rodgers. Damn. That says a lot about both teams. I can't see Detroit being serious contenders in the playoffs. Four turnovers. 91 penalty yards. This team just lacks discipline. But, it's the playoffs. If the Jets can go to back to back AFC championships, who knows what else can happen?
...and Charles Woodson.
...and Clay Matthews
...and Greg Jennings.
...and James Starks.
...and Bulaga.
...and Randall Cobb (which led to us nearly screwing up the first kickoff return and screwing up the second)

As I've said earlier, Flynn deserves a chance, and as for resting our starters, we've had some key injuries and these guys have had to step in and fill the void anyway. Other than Flynn it's not like our back-ups are green, and in Flynn's case you can tell he has talent just never has a chance to show it. When he does get on the field normally he's expected to just hand it off.

[SV Fan]

They should really just forgo the Denver game and give the Steelers a bye week.

If the Denver Defense can hold the Steelers to 9 or less points we might just be able to see some Tebow magic.

[Matt]

If the Denver Defense can hold the Steelers to 9 or less points we might just be able to see some Tebow magic.

With the way the Steelers offense has been playing and with the coaching and injuries, it really wouldn't surprise me.

[SV Fan]

With the way the Steelers offense has been playing and with the coaching and injuries, it really wouldn't surprise me.

It amazes me how much hype Tebow gets when it seems like he can't score more then 15 points on a good day

[CConn]

You never know though. The way the Steelers played against the Browns anything can happen. It will be awesome to see how Tebow does against the Steelers defense.
Denver scored 3 points against the Chiefs.

The Chiefs.

That means, mathematically speaking, they should score 1.7 points against the Steelers.

[Poeman]

Rashard Mendenhall OUT against the Broncos -- Serious knee injury

Ryan Clark also could be OUT

[SpideyInATree]

Denver scored 3 points against the Chiefs.

The Chiefs.

That means, mathematically speaking, they should score 1.7 points against the Steelers.

Yeah, mathematically, but the Steelers have a habit of giving things up against teams like the Broncos. However, they did point out that LeBeau has that same outlook that Cornell has when running the defense and that the Steelers will probably use the same strategy that the Chiefs used. With Harrison and Woodley on the outside...either way...it's going to be quite a long day for Tebow. I mean...he threw 6/22 for 60 yards. I mean...that is REALLY horrible.

We shall see it'll be an interesting game.

[SV Fan]

Denver scored 3 points against the Chiefs.

The Chiefs.

That means, mathematically speaking, they should score 1.7 points against the Steelers.

I can just imagine it Steelers get 2 field goals, while the Denver defense gets 2 safeties. With a minute an a half the Steelers punt to Denver, Denver player returns it to the 50 yard line and Tebow magic kicks in and he drives the ball a grand total of 13 yards to allow his team get the winning field goal.

[Hound55]

Steelers biggest defensive weakness is in the secondary and Tebow can't pass well enough to exploit it.

Front 7 just have to do their job and shut down the running game and they should be alrigh, so long as the secondary don't just lay down and die.

[Hound55]

I can just imagine it Steelers get 2 field goals, while the Denver defense gets 2 safeties. With a minute an a half the Steelers punt to Denver, Denver player returns it to the 50 yard line and Tebow magic kicks in and he drives the ball a grand total of 13 yards to allow his team get the winning field goal.
That would be Tim Tebow's greatest field goal since that other one which he did.

[Hound55]

Cowher just tore into the Steelers about playing Ben. I couldn't agree more. Tomlin is really showing his weakness as a head coach this season.
Cowher will not stand for weakness.
http://www.almightyphilly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bill-cowher12.jpg

[SpideyInATree]

Cowher will not stand for weakness.
http://www.almightyphilly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bill-cowher12.jpg

:funny:

That is such a great picture of Cowher. I swear at halftime he wanted to start digging into the Steelers for still playing Ben but it seemed he held himself back.

[Poeman]

blown opportunity by the cowboys on that muffed punt...wow he just fell on it and it continued to roll...

Giants are winning this...yup

[SpideyInATree]

That Victor Cruz run was nuts too. Cowboys totally blew that too. However, there are still three quarters to play.

[CConn]

Did he dance? He needs to stop that.

[SpideyInATree]

There was some dancing. The ref did look ready to toss a flag on it too.

[Matt]

Speaking of penalties for excessive celebration, kudos to Chan Gailey for benching Stevie Johnson. More coaches need to hold their players accountable and let them know who is in charge.

[SpideyInATree]

The Cowboys can't even recover a fumble. That's twice now the Giants have basically handed it to them and they let it go, haha. Luckily the Giants missed that field goal.

[WalkingDeadMike]

Did he dance? He needs to stop that.

There was some dancing. The ref did look ready to toss a flag on it too.

The salsa thing is his signature TD celebration. He does it nearly every week. Why would it be a problem now?

[Hound55]

Speaking of penalties for excessive celebration, kudos to Chan Gailey for benching Stevie Johnson. More coaches need to hold their players accountable and let them know who is in charge.
Agreed.

They get pinged they're screwing their team.

You get too many coaches who just take their players' side automatically and sooner or later we'll be looking at an NBA situation where coaches are just glorified babysitters.

[SpideyInATree]

The salsa thing is his signature TD celebration. He does it nearly every week. Why would it be a problem now?

I don't think there is a problem with it. When he was doing the dance you could see the ref in the background kind of staring it down and if it went on anymore you could tell he was going to throw the flag for excessive celebration.

Which, in my opinion, is the DUMBEST penalty in the game right now.

[Boom]

Wow Romo :lmao:.

[DoomsdayApex]

Tebow vs Pittsburgh D huh?

Hmmmm... Tebow is Fujita, The Steers D is Overeem. Nuff' said.

http://i.minus.com/ipRQ61caclnUO.gif

[Poeman]

Cowboys and Romo are simply killing themselves...This is over

[SpideyInATree]

My mind was boggled why he threw that pass to Bryant. He couldn't tell he was almost 3 yards over the line of scrimmage? How long exactly has he been playing football? :oldrazz:

[WalkingDeadMike]

And he could've easily walked for the first down. But I'm not complaining.

[Venom'sDad]

From bad, to worst

[DoomsdayApex]

On a lighter note, Cam Newton finished his rookie campaign today and the numbers are just freaky:

4,051 Passing Yards
21 Passing TDs
61% Completion Rate
85.9 QB Rating
706 Rushing Yards
14 Rushing TDs

[steintym]

Speaking of penalties for excessive celebration, kudos to Chan Gailey for benching Stevie Johnson. More coaches need to hold their players accountable and let them know who is in charge.

Did he get benched? That's awesome. Wish more coaches would do the same.

[Kane52630]

http://i.imgur.com/9Giol.jpg

[steintym]

On a lighter note, Cam Newton finished his rookie campaign today and the numbers are just freaky:

4,051 Passing Yards
21 Passing TDs
61% Completion Rate
85.9 QB Rating
706 Rushing Yards
14 Rushing TDs

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about Cam. I really didn't think he'd be that good in the NFL, I sure was wrong.

[Venom'sDad]

Did he get benched? That's awesome. Wish more coaches would do the same.

Why??? People has become to sensitive...lighten up. It's all fun & games. Sound like a bunch of jealous haters.

[steintym]

Why??? People has become to sensitive...lighten up. It's all fun & games. Sound like a bunch of jealous haters.

Sorry, I hate the excessive celebrations. They look like idiots. I especially "enjoy" the dancing and crap when their team is down big. Always hated it, always will.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about Cam. I really didn't think he'd be that good in the NFL, I sure was wrong.


As a Panthers fan, I didn't want him on the team. Thought he was gonna be another bust. I'm kicking myself for that now.

[Holiday]

My mind was boggled why he threw that pass to Bryant. He couldn't tell he was almost 3 yards over the line of scrimmage? How long exactly has he been playing football? :oldrazz:

It was an amazing play to start with but he definitely should and easily could have ran for the sidelines to get the first.


Dallas knows they get in the playoffs if they win this game, right? They're playing like no one at all told them.

[SpideyInATree]

Sorry, I hate the excessive celebrations. They look like idiots. I especially "enjoy" the dancing and crap when their team is down big. Always hated it, always will.

You would have probably liked this countdown special that the NFL Network did on the top 10 touchdown celebrations. The # 1 celebration was Barry Sanders for doing absolutely no celebration. He'd just toss the ball to the ref and run to the sideline. I can't remember who said it but one guy says, "The best celebration is the guy who has acted like he's been there before".

[steintym]

You would have probably liked this countdown special that the NFL Network did on the top 10 touchdown celebrations. The # 1 celebration was Barry Sanders for doing absolutely no celebration. He'd just toss the ball to the ref and run to the sideline. I can't remember who said it but one guy says, "The best celebration is the guy who has acted like he's been there before".

Always loved how Barry Sanders and Walter Payton did it. Score a TD and hand the ball to the ref.



Don't get me wrong ... I don't mind a TD celebration or after a big play. It just seems like the celebrating has gotten out of control for the most part.

[SpideyInATree]

Always loved how Barry Sanders and Walter Payton did it. Score a TD and hand the ball to the ref.



Don't get me wrong ... I don't mind a TD celebration or after a big play. It just seems like the celebrating has gotten out of control for the most part.

I don't either. My one friend who doesn't watch a lot of football saw guys getting penalties for excessive celebration and last week when the the Packers played the Bears he wondered why the Packers weren't getting it for the Lambeau leap

[Venom'sDad]

It is not out of control....most scores are just team hugs and chest bumps. Don't believe the hype.

[Matt]

Why??? People has become to sensitive...lighten up. It's all fun & games. Sound like a bunch of jealous haters.

Chan Gailey didn't bench Johnson because he is a "hater," or because he needs to "lighten up." He did it because Johnson has already been flagged and fined for writing things on his undershirt and revealing it post-touchdown. Johnson knew what the consequence would be and still chose to show off and hurt his team. He deserved to be benched. It is one thing to celebrate. It is an entirely different thing to pull **** like Johnson, Ocho and T.O. and engage in celebrations that you know will draw penalties and hurt your team.

[SpideyInATree]

And then drop passes that should have been first downs or touchdowns. :oldrazz:

It keeps looking like the Cowboys are about to make this a game and then they go and screw it up. They have decent field position and lets see if they can get a TD.

[WalkingDeadMike]

This is starting to be eerily reminiscent of last year's Giants/Eagles game, and I really don't like that.

[SpideyInATree]

Giants need to step up and get a TD here and that may take the Cowboys out of the game.

[steintym]

It is not out of control....most scores are just team hugs and chest bumps. Don't believe the hype.

First of all, I think you're wrong ... But after scoring is one thing. I can almost live with that. It's after the random first down, tackle after a big gain, meaningless late game sack, etc that is getting real old.

With that, I'll let it go. Not that big of a deal to me, just annoying.

[Hound55]

I'm cool with the spike, the Lambeau Leap (and other teams stuff where they might give a ball to fans or jump up there themselves or something, makes football something the fans can touch and feel) and the dunk... other than that, all the elaborate bulls***. Sure, some of it's creative, but f*** it. It detracts from the game and your team.

[Immortalfire]

Agreed. Making a fan's day by giving them a ball, or leaping into their arms are cool. But doing the BS celebrations that end up hurting the team is just stupid.


I wonder how after tonight's game, ESPN will still find some way to suggest Tony Romo is the greatest QB since sliced bread.

[Spider-Fan]

He's still better than Tebow :o

[Erzengel]

Cruz does his salsa dance for his grandma.

[Matt]

Agreed. Making a fan's day by giving them a ball, or leaping into their arms are cool. But doing the BS celebrations that end up hurting the team is just stupid.


I wonder how after tonight's game, ESPN will still find some way to suggest Tony Romo is the greatest QB since sliced bread.

If NBC's staff is any indication, they will simply declare Eli to be the greatest QB since sliced bread instead.

[WalkingDeadMike]

How 'bout dem Cowboys! :awesome: :awesome: :awesome:

[Dr. Evil]

Drew Brees just took the lead in the MVP Race over Rodgers and Brady.

[Erzengel]

I laughed when Michele Tafoya was interviewing Lee and said what did Coach Jone....Coach Garrett say..... :o

[Hound55]

ESPN's been pretty split on Romo for mine... Half think he's awesome and the other half call him a choker.

It's more understandable than Tebow hype for mine.

I don't think Orton got enough credit for the Chiefs pipping the Packers... to come in and learn the offense well enough to start in your second week and in that week beat a team gunning for a perfect season who haven't lost in twelve months... That's impressive.

He was composed, stuck to their plan. I wouldn't have come out and said he's one of the best QBs in the league (although I still believe he's better than Tebow) but that was impressive and deserved more praise than it received.

[Matt]

Drew Brees just took the lead in the MVP Race over Rodgers and Brady.

I still say that Peyton Manning is MVP.

[Hound55]

Drew Brees just took the lead in the MVP Race over Rodgers and Brady.
I'd have thought that was the case the second he broke Marino's record.

As much as I think Rodgers has had the best season, that was the most recent "big moment" and sportscasters are a fickle bunch who tend to put more weight into recent events even when rating something over an entire year.

[Dr. Evil]

I still say that Peyton Manning is MVP.

It would not surprise me if he was. In fact, they'd probably be 10-6 or 11-5 if he wasn't injured.

[Hound55]

I still say that Peyton Manning is MVP.
I'd say Painter is LVP...

[Immortalfire]

He's still better than Tebow :o

Impossible. :eek:


Now bring me some rocky road ice cream!

[SpideyInATree]

Well, its the Giants vs. the Falcons next week. I figured it would be the Giants but the Cowboys could have pulled something out, at least I thought.

There were times in the game they were cutting to Jerry Jones and it looked like he was about to freakin' cry.

[Kane52630]

Great game tonight, I'm getting flashbacks of the 07-08 Giants season from that game. The offense finally showed up with Cruz and Manning.

[Dr. Evil]

So the question is:

Will Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Tebow, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan and TJ Yates be first time Super Bowl winners?

Or will it be a return trip for the Super Bowl veterans of Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers and The Rapist?

[Venom'sDad]

The Cowboys are the most over-rated team thus far in the new millennium.

[KalMart]

Giants, baby!!!! :up:

[Sith Scotti]

Is there any doubt left that Eli Manning is a better qb than Tony Romo and is an elite qb ....


Eli Manning is the best Giants qb in my lifetime . Yes even better than Simms

[WalkingDeadMike]

So the question is:

Will Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Tebow, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan and TJ Yates be first time Super Bowl winners?

Or will it be a return trip for the Super Bowl veterans of Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers and The Rapist?

I'd bet it'd probably be a repeat winner.

[Hound55]

Those two things are not related...

Yes he's better than Romo, no he's not elite by most definitions... and yes he probably is the best QB the Giants have had.

[Hound55]

Alex Smith and Flacco are the only two necomers I can see with a shot and in both cases it's more because of their teams than their own contribution.

[Sith Scotti]

Those two things are not related...

Yes he's better than Romo, no he's not elite by most definitions... and yes he probably is the best QB the Giants have had.

He is in my mind a top 5 or 6 qb . I would only take Rodgers , Brees and Brady and maybe Rivers ( not this season though) If Pyton is healthy obviously)

[Matt]

I wonder if Jason Garrett is in the hot seat at all. I've read a few columnists speculate as much and state that Jones will not show Garrett the same patience that he did Wade Phillips because Garrett has been part of the process of building this team for 6 years and has essentially been on the same level as Wade Phillips (with Garrett building and running the offense while Phillips focused on the defense). One bad season may be enough for Jerry Jones. Though I think Jerry would be hard pressed to find a yes-man who will put up with his bull ****.

[Erzengel]

If you asked me a few weeks ago, I'd say that the Steelers have an easy game against the Broncos. But with the Rapist still injured, what the eff was he doing playing? Now Mendenhal with a possible torn ACL and Clarke maybe not playing because of the high altitude? See a possible low scoring game.

[WalkingDeadMike]

He is in my mind a top 5 or 6 qb . I would only take Rodgers , Brees and Brady and maybe Rivers ( not this season though) If Pyton is healthy obviously)

But that's not elite. Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are the only elite QBs in the league, right now. If Peyton comes back and plays the way he did pre-injury, you can add him back to that list. I'm a Giants fan and I love Eli, but he's just not anywhere near as good as these guys that actually are elite.

[Erzengel]

I wonder if Jason Garrett is in the hot seat at all. I've read a few columnists speculate as much and state that Jones will not show Garrett the same patience that he did Wade Phillips because Garrett has been part of the process of building this team for 6 years and has essentially been on the same level as Wade Phillips (with Garrett building and running the offense while Phillips focused on the defense). One bad season may be enough for Jerry Jones. Though I think Jerry would be hard pressed to find a yes-man who will put up with his bull ****.
He's said he's staying but Jones needs a puppet. Someone he can walk down in the 1st quarter and tell what to do next.

[Dr. Evil]

I wonder if Jason Garrett is in the hot seat at all. I've read a few columnists speculate as much and state that Jones will not show Garrett the same patience that he did Wade Phillips because Garrett has been part of the process of building this team for 6 years and has essentially been on the same level as Wade Phillips (with Garrett building and running the offense while Phillips focused on the defense). One bad season may be enough for Jerry Jones. Though I think Jerry would be hard pressed to find a yes-man who will put up with his bull ****.

Jerry Jones said on Friday that Jason Garrett remains no matter the outcome.

Garrett calls all of the offensive plays and has no offensive coordinator. Yet, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh and Gary Kubiak call all of the offensive plays for their teams, yet those teams also have offensive coordinators.

[Hound55]

Hue Jackson is not a happy man...

[Matt]

So the question is:

Will Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Tebow, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan and TJ Yates be first time Super Bowl winners?

Or will it be a return trip for the Super Bowl veterans of Manning, Brees, Brady, Rodgers and The Rapist?

My guess is that we will not see a new QB/team go to the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh or New England will probably play Green Bay or New Orleans. In any of the combinations, I see the NFC team winning provided there is not a bad injury of a key player or anything.

[Spider-Fan]

Impossible. :eek:


Now bring me some rocky road ice cream!

Yes sir :csad:

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I wonder if Jason Garrett is in the hot seat at all. I've read a few columnists speculate as much and state that Jones will not show Garrett the same patience that he did Wade Phillips because Garrett has been part of the process of building this team for 6 years and has essentially been on the same level as Wade Phillips (with Garrett building and running the offense while Phillips focused on the defense). One bad season may be enough for Jerry Jones. Though I think Jerry would be hard pressed to find a yes-man who will put up with his bull ****.

I wouldn't fire him yet. I'd give him 1 more season.

[Kane52630]

I wont be surprised if Jerry Jones fired Garrett and hire himself to coach next season.

[Erzengel]

I didn't understand all the hype when they went to Garrett because didn't Garrett call the offensive plays under Phillips? So for the most part, nothing really changed. :huh:

[Dr. Evil]

So one of the veteran Super Bowl QB's will be going back to Disneyworld.

[CConn]

Garrett did an alright job this year. They were more disciplined than with Philips, and at least they had a shot at the playoffs.

[WalkingDeadMike]

Yeah, I'd blame Rob Ryan more than Garrett if I were a Cowboys fan.

[Holiday]

Jerry Jones said on Friday that Jason Garrett remains no matter the outcome.

Garrett calls all of the offensive plays and has no offensive coordinator. Yet, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh and Gary Kubiak call all of the offensive plays for their teams, yet those teams also have offensive coordinators.

I believe Jones said Wade Phillips job was safe last year too before he canned him for Garrett.

[Matt]

He's said he's staying but Jones needs a puppet. Someone he can walk down in the 1st quarter and tell what to do next.

Jerry Jones said on Friday that Jason Garrett remains no matter the outcome.

Garrett calls all of the offensive plays and has no offensive coordinator. Yet, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh and Gary Kubiak call all of the offensive plays for their teams, yet those teams also have offensive coordinators.

But Jones also said until the day before that he would not fire Wade Phillips midseason. Jones either lies or changes his mind at the drop of a dime. I don't think Jones will give him three years (which seems to be standard for a young, new coach provided that they do not completely **** up ala Josh McDaniels or there isn't a huge front office shake up like Cleveland). I think he will give him one more though. But if they do not make playoffs or go one and done next year, he will be gone. Jones will not be patient with Garrett, IMO.

[Dr. Evil]

He is in my mind a top 5 or 6 qb . I would only take Rodgers , Brees and Brady and maybe Rivers ( not this season though) If Pyton is healthy obviously)

Rivers IMO, is the best QB in the NFL without a Super Bowl. He will need the right coach to get there and finally win one.

Alex Smith is having a nice year. A 17-5 TD to Int ratio and a QB rating of 91.

Comeback player of the Year? He will need another year or two like this and the word "bust" might no longer be mentioned in connection to his name.

[Matt]

Rivers IMO, is the best QB in the NFL without a Super Bowl. He will need the right coach to get there and finally win one.

Alex Smith is having a nice year. A 17-5 TD to Int ration and a QB rating of 91.

Comeback player of the Year?

Alex Smith is definitely come back player of the year but his stats are misleading. He isn't doing a great job at QB. Harbaugh is simply planning around him and making a gameplan that can work despite his ineptitude. It is a bigger credit to Harbaugh than it is to Smith.

[Dr. Evil]

Of course we all know who will be the Comeback Player of the Year next year, provided of course he returns to his old self.

[Erzengel]

Still think he's going somewhere else.

[Dr. Evil]

Still think he's going somewhere else.

Who? Peyton?

[Erzengel]

Yes. Luck is ready for prime time, not sitting even 1 season on the bench.

[Matt]

But is Luck more marketable than Peyton? Maybe in the long term, but who will sell more jerseys next year?

[Erzengel]

Santonio Holmes was benched? And Tomlinson stating that some players felt like he quit on the team.

I was just mentioning how any QB would love to have a Holmes/Burress receiving corp. But Sanchez being average and Holmes quitting and an OC who just can't seem to get it done. I'm wondering how else are they going to tweak their offense.

[Dr. Evil]

Peyton I think signed a huge contract prior to the lockout.

Speaking of which, Drew Brees has an expiring contract. Saints will likely franchise him, but I heard that Brees won't sign the franchise contract.

Besides, if he leaves, who controls the Jim Caldwell Puppet?

[Matt]

Peyton I think signed a huge contract prior to the lockout.

Speaking of which, Drew Brees has an expiring contract. Saints will likely franchise him, but I heard that Brees won't sign the franchise contract.

Besides, if he leaves, who controls the Jim Caldwell Puppet?

Why would Brees say no? If they offer him top tier money, he will sign a contract that lets him finish his career in N.O..

[Dr. Evil]

So who's the best QB in the league who doesn't have a Super Bowl ring? I think it's Rivers.

[Erzengel]

Definitely Rivers.

[KalMart]

What makes you at least feel better about the Giants is that they have Umenyora back...so now you've got Umenyora, Tuck, Piere-Paul and Kiwanuka in that pass rush.

[Spider-Fan]

The Falcons are beatable for the Giants. But, I do think the Falcons match up better with the G-men than they do the Saints in New Orleans.

[KalMart]

But that's not elite. Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are the only elite QBs in the league, right now. If Peyton comes back and plays the way he did pre-injury, you can add him back to that list. I'm a Giants fan and I love Eli, but he's just not anywhere near as good as these guys that actually are elite.

This again. Eli's obviously not in that small top echelon with Brady and Peyton...Brees and Rogers are in the bottom part of that too...especially with another ring. If those are the 'elite', then no. But in that legitimate good franchise-QB pack that's next...yeah, he's up there with Rothlesberger and Rivers. You can definitely depend on and win with him.

[KalMart]

The Falcons are beatable for the Giants. But, I do think the Falcons match up better with the G-men than they do the Saints in New Orleans.

Falcons run game is the biggest concern for the Giants, I think. It's gonna be a good game.

[KalMart]

Word is that the Rams ar firing coach Spagnuolo and their GM. Tough first turn for the former Giants Defensive Coordinator.

[Poeman]

Word is that the Rams ar firing coach Spagnuolo and their GM. Tough first turn for the former Giants Defensive Coordinator.

He'll get hired as a defensive coordinator again

[Boom]

Great. A rematch between the Bengals and Texans, and on the day after my girlfriend has her wisdom teeth pulled.

This is going to be a fun weekend :dry:.

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[Hound55]

This is how I see it... If Eli Manning is an 'elite' quarterback... then Elvis frickin' Grbac was an elite quarterback.

And Elvis frickin' Grbac was NOT an elite quarterback...

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[kane9321]

the jets and cowboys are out of the playoffs...what a great
way to start the year

[Erzengel]

Shefter is reporting Spagnuolo and GM Devaney of the Rams to be let go. Spagnuolo is going to at least find a job as a DC.

[kane9321]

Alex Smith is definitely come back player of the year but his stats are misleading. He isn't doing a great job at QB. Harbaugh is simply planning around him and making a gameplan that can work despite his ineptitude. It is a bigger credit to Harbaugh than it is to Smith.

WATCH IT MATT:cmad:

Just think what alex could do with a good reciever...someone that could stretch the field, or that doesnt
have the case of the dropsies...yes ginn jr i'm looking at u. Plus a full offseason with finally the same offensive cordinator....alex will have 20 plus
tds next year. Harbaugh proved to the 49er faithful what most of us knew..alex smith is a good qb, but just got two idiotic head coaching and unstablity at the offensive postion for 6 terrible years

Aaron Rodgers FOR MVP

war alex...war

[Hound55]

What's wrong with Michael Crabtree? If anything I think he gets under-utilised because Harbaugh knows that keeping the ball on the ground, instead of letting Alex Smith sling it more, is the 49ers strength.

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[KALEL114]

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:up:

[JewishHobbit]

No clue how it works but I'll jump in on that pool.

I came THIS close to winning Hype Fantasy Football yesterday. I have a need to compete and win!

[kane9321]

[QUOTE=Hound55;22223529]What's wrong with Michael Crabtree? If anything I think he gets under-utilised because Harbaugh knows that keeping the ball on the ground, instead of letting Alex Smith sling it more, is the 49ers strength.[/QUOTE

crabs is doing fine now,,,he was hurt part of the season with that nagging foot injury hes had since college. He's finally 100%

[Hound55]

No, I mean "What's wrong with Michael Crabtree?" you were acting like Smith doesn't have any decent receivers.

[WalkingDeadMike]

This is how I see it... If Eli Manning is an 'elite' quarterback... then Elvis frickin' Grbac was an elite quarterback.

And Elvis frickin' Grbac was NOT an elite quarterback...

Elvis Grbac is a little over the line, my man.

Eli may not be elite, but he is a hell of a lot better than ****ing Elvis Grbac.

[Hound55]

Is Rodgers a system QB or is that only reserved for Brady?
They changed the entire system in Rodgers' absence because they couldn't expect Flynn to function in it. So I would say "no", Rodgers is not a system guy.

[Hound55]

Why not? Grbac was, for a while, a top 5 QB as well...

[WalkingDeadMike]

Uhhh, when the hell was that? :huh:

[Hound55]

Around '99 or 2000 he made the pro bowl... Something like that.

That said, it was largely me being facetious. Top 5 does not make someone "elite" was my point. It's about being on that top tier, which even if you accepted him as being in the top 5, he is clearly not on that tier.

[WalkingDeadMike]

Top 5 does not make someone "elite" was my point. It's about being on that top tier, which even if you accepted him as being in the top 5, he is clearly not on that tier.

Well, I completely agree with all of that.

[Genesis 1.0]

Damn I hate having to work 13 hour shifts over the weekend, I JUST got to watch the Ravens game. Gotta say I'm not impressed.

We take the AFC North & I still don't see the killer instinct, better decision making, or shutdown Defense we're gonna need in the playoffs. I just hope we can get Boldin back into the mix, there's a gaping hole in the offense.

[StorminNorman]

The only QB's in NFL history to throw for 5,000 yards?

Dan Marino
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Matt Stafford

I think there is a word for that...

[Hound55]

ProBowl-hopeful..?
Megatron-dependent..?

[Matt]

The only QB's in NFL history to throw for 5,000 yards?

Dan Marino
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Matt Stafford

I think there is a word for that...

Difference between those three elite quarterbacks and Matthew Stafford is that Stafford has had one good season where as the others have been/were consistently successful for several years, thus putting them in an elite club. As B.J. Symons will tell you, anyone can have a good, even exceptional year. But one year doesn't make you elite.

Anyway, ESPN is reporting that not only have the Rams cleaned house by firing Spags and their GM...but Raheem Morris has also been fired and get ready for the shocker...Jim Caldwell is out from Indy....AS ARE BOTH POLIANS!

http://www.espnflorida.com/black-monday-blog-morris-fired-in-tampa-bay/

The Polians being fired shocks the hell out of me. They were basically unofficial owners of the team. I'm not really sure what to make of it. This could either be Jim Irsay teaching old man Polian to keep his mouth shut about drafting Luck (and pissing Manning off) or he could be telling Peyton, "The old guard is gone and you're next."

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[WalkingDeadMike]

O****! Polian got fired? HAHAHAHA

[Hound55]

Difference between those three elite quarterbacks and Matthew Stafford is that Stafford has had one good season where as the others have been/were consistently successful for several years, thus putting them in an elite club. As B.J. Symons will tell you, anyone can have a good, even exceptional year. But one year doesn't make you elite.

Anyway, ESPN is reporting that not only have the Rams cleaned house by firing Spags and their GM...but Raheem Morris has also been fired and get ready for the shocker...Jim Caldwell is out from Indy....AS ARE BOTH POLIANS!

http://www.espnflorida.com/black-monday-blog-morris-fired-in-tampa-bay/

The Polians being fired shocks the hell out of me. They were basically unofficial owners of the team. I'm not really sure what to make of it. This could either be Jim Irsay teaching old man Polian to keep his mouth shut about drafting Luck (and pissing Manning off) or he could be telling Peyton, "The old guard is gone and you're next."
I'm thinking the latter. It's a hell of a lot of pressure to go putting on a draft pick though.

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[StorminNorman]

Difference between those three elite quarterbacks and Matthew Stafford is that Stafford has had one good season where as the others have been/were consistently successful for several years, thus putting them in an elite club. As B.J. Symons will tell you, anyone can have a good, even exceptional year. But one year doesn't make you elite.

Once again, I would argue that the admittedly shortened body of work points to this not being an anomally. Health provided, I could easily see him topping Brees's record in the very near future.

Anyway, ESPN is reporting that not only have the Rams cleaned house by firing Spags and their GM...but Raheem Morris has also been fired and get ready for the shocker...Jim Caldwell is out from Indy....AS ARE BOTH POLIANS!

http://www.espnflorida.com/black-monday-blog-morris-fired-in-tampa-bay/

The Polians being fired shocks the hell out of me. They were basically unofficial owners of the team. I'm not really sure what to make of it. This could either be Jim Irsay teaching old man Polian to keep his mouth shut about drafting Luck (and pissing Manning off) or he could be telling Peyton, "The old guard is gone and you're next."

I haven't see any news on the Polians, but that would make me happy. They deserve the credit for the state of the Colts more than Caldwell does.

[WalkingDeadMike]

Here's what I would argue. Any good QB without any semblance of a running game who throws the ball 663 times during the season and has the best WR in the league should be able to throw for close to 5K given the new rules that favor the passing game.

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[WalkingDeadMike]

Here's what I would argue. Any good QB without any semblance of a running game who throws the ball 663 times during the season and has the best WR in the league should be able to throw for close to 5K given the new rules that favor the passing game.

To expand on this, Eli threw 74 less passes than Stafford and only had 105 less passing yards than him. If he had the same number of pass attempts, he would have easily passed Matt in passing yards.

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[bunk]

Damn I hate having to work 13 hour shifts over the weekend, I JUST got to watch the Ravens game. Gotta say I'm not impressed.

We take the AFC North & I still don't see the killer instinct, better decision making, or shutdown Defense we're gonna need in the playoffs. I just hope we can get Boldin back into the mix, there's a gaping hole in the offense.

And Evans hasn't done anything. I don't see him being around next season.

[Matt]

Jim Caldwell has had his day after game press conference. Apparently nothing has changed yet.

[StorminNorman]

Here's what I would argue. Any good QB without any semblance of a running game who throws the ball 663 times during the season and has the best WR in the league should be able to throw for close to 5K given the new rules that favor the passing game.

And considering our running game was dependent upon a running back on reconstructed knees who was watching games on his couch half way through the season, I would argue he did not have the semblance of one.

[Spider-Fan]

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[Hound55]

And considering our running game was dependent upon a running back on reconstructed knees who was watching games on his couch half way through the season, I would argue he did not have the semblance of one.
That's what he's saying.

[WalkingDeadMike]

And considering our running game was dependent upon a running back on reconstructed knees who was watching games on his couch half way through the season, I would argue he did not have the semblance of one.

That's what he's saying.

Yeah, you are just proving my point.

[Immortalfire]

Sign me up, Immortal :)

Sign you up for what?

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, you are just proving my point.

I misread originally. Instead of overestimating the quality of the Lions running game I would argue that your point is lacking in football logic. Being one dimensional isn't a benefit to a QB - especially with an offense like Detroit which relies upon a lot of two tight end formations. Stafford's numbers would be better if he had a better running game because he would be working against fewer nickle and dime packages. He would have even better matchups for non-Calvin Johnson targets like Scheffler and Young. And anyone who has watched the Lions over the year would have seen that the Lions really didn't abandon the running game in play calling until the last few weeks (in spite of the lack of talent in the backfield).

[WalkingDeadMike]

I would argue that your point is lacking in football logic.

Hahaha. You love Stafford. We get it.

IStafford's numbers would be better if he had a better running game because he would be working against fewer nickle and dime packages.

Some of his numbers might be better, sure. Numbers like completion percentage and yards per attempt. But to say his passing yards would be higher is just illogical. :cwink:

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I'm so in. Sign me up for the playoff pick em, please.

[Venom'sDad]

O****! Polian got fired? HAHAHAHA

I wished Hue Jackson got fired

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[Matt]

It seems to be official at this point:

Polians and Caldwell out (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7414912/polians-relieved-duties-indianapolis-colts-source-says)

Irsay should have done this before Caldwell's 12:30 press conference. It is dickish to make him go up there and act like everything is all fine and good when it is so far from it.

As for the Polians, I have no sympathy for them. Bill Polian was once a great GM. Ever since coming to Indy he has been anything but. He basically built a house of cards, where the removal of just one card could cause everything to crash down and that is exactly what happened. He was never good at handling the free agency era and should have retired gracefully 20 years ago. Now everyone is seeing him for the outdated hack that he is. As for Polian the younger, he was just never that good and has made a career of riding daddy's coattails.

[DoomsdayApex]

Why hasn't Norv Turner been fired yet?! :angry:

This is complete and utter nonsense. The Chargers lack discipline as a team, and the playcalling has been predictable and unrelentingly conservative. San Diego has slowly, but surely declined in the last couple of years, and Turner has been apart of the problem.

Get rid of him before Rivers' career comes to an end without a title and ring to show for it. Please.

[StorminNorman]

Hahaha. You love Stafford. We get it.

Not as much as I love football. Offensive play calling is a science and it is not helped by being bad at one

Some of his numbers might be better, sure like completion percentage and yards per attempt. But to say his passing yards would be higher is just illogical. :cwink:

More yards with a greater completion percentage could very easily lead to greater passing yards. The Saints, for example, had the six ranked rushing offense.

[WalkingDeadMike]

The Saints, for example, had the six ranked rushing offense.

Let's not forget that they also have the much better quarterback. :oldrazz:

[StorminNorman]

It seems to be official at this point:

Polians and Caldwell out (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7414912/polians-relieved-duties-indianapolis-colts-source-says)

Irsay should have done this before Caldwell's 12:30 press conference. It is dickish to make him go up there and act like everything is all fine and good when it is so far from it.

As for the Polians, I have no sympathy for them. Bill Polian was once a great GM. Ever since coming to Indy he has been anything but. He basically built a house of cards, where the removal of just one card could cause everything to crash down and that is exactly what happened. He was never good at handling the free agency era and should have retired gracefully 20 years ago. Now everyone is seeing him for the outdated hack that he is. As for Polian the younger, he was just never that good and has made a career of riding daddy's coattails.

Polian Jr. is the reason why this move was necessary.

The question now is what Bill Polian does. Does he retire? I am sure he could get a nice media position if he wanted it. Or does he return to the league? I could see the Dolphins being interested in him for team President.

[StorminNorman]

Let's not forget that they also have the much better quarterback. :oldrazz:

They have a more seasoned QB.

[Matt]

Polian Jr. is the reason why this move was necessary.

The question now is what Bill Polian does. Does he retire? I am sure he could get a nice media position if he wanted it. Or does he return to the league? I could see the Dolphins being interested in him for team President.

The Dolphins want a big name coach. A big name coach will not heed to the whims of Bill Polian or his son. They'll have to pick one or the other.

As for Polian, at this point he should just retire gracefully.

[WalkingDeadMike]

I think Brees' accuracy really creates a huge gap between them. From what I've seen, Stafford throws a hell of a lot of balls up for grabs and Megatron is just so good that he can get the majority of them.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Immortalfire]

What's all this I'm hearing about Santonio Holmes being such a bum?

[Genesis 1.0]

And Evans hasn't done anything. I don't see him being around next season.

Yeah, Lee has been straight garbage. If he doesn't show SOMETHING during the Playoffs, his ass needs to be cut.

Hey New York Spider, I'll join the Playoff Pool.

[StorminNorman]

The Dolphins want a big name coach. A big name coach will not heed to the whims of Bill Polian or his son. They'll have to pick one or the other.

As for Polian, at this point he should just retire gracefully.

Polian and Dungy?

I think the Dolphins want a coach who can make headlines as much as an established coach. That's why I think Rob Ryan may end up there. The way Steve Ross handled Sporano is going to hurt his ability to hire an established coach.

I think Brees' accuracy really creates a huge gap between them. From what I've seen, Stafford throws a hell of a lot of balls up for grabs and Megatron is just so good that he can get the majority of them.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Stafford had a rough patch when his finger was broken, but he's the most accurate young QB in the NFL.

[KalMart]

He'll get hired as a defensive coordinator again

Without a doubt. Heck...bring him back to NY....like, right now! :D

[LegendaryCaleb]

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[KalMart]

This is how I see it... If Eli Manning is an 'elite' quarterback... then Elvis frickin' Grbac was an elite quarterback.

And Elvis frickin' Grbac was NOT an elite quarterback...

Again....Eli's not Brady or Peyton or Brees....but he ain't no Elvis or Rich Gannon or other journeyman-type, either. He's comfortably in the tier right after the 'elites'. I get what you're meaning, though.

[WalkingDeadMike]

Without a doubt. Heck...bring him back to NY....like, right now! :D

While that is exactly what I want, I don't see the Mara's and/or Reese/Coughlin firing Fewell. I hope I'm wrong though. If not, he probably ends up back in Philly. :down:

[KalMart]

While that is exactly what I want, I don't see the Mara's and/or Reese/Coughlin firing Fewell. I hope I'm wrong though. If not, he probably ends up back in Philly. :down:

It's a wishful joke, of course. :woot:

But man, the G-men are primed for another run like '07 again...got the full front line back, going up against pass-heavy super-offenses.....

Hope they at least have his cel # handy. :oldrazz::awesome:


Jerry Reese (on phone): Hello....Steve? Hey, it's Jerry. Sorry to hear about the Rams firing....live and learn, y'know? It'll come. Just wondering...feel like grabbing lunch sometime, as in like...tomorrow....?

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[CConn]

While that is exactly what I want, I don't see the Mara's and/or Reese/Coughlin firing Fewell. I hope I'm wrong though. If not, he probably ends up back in Philly. :down:Philly would actually be a really good spot for him.

I just kinda hope they don't totally fire Castillo. Poor bastard was thrown into the broiler this season. He should at least have some type of job on the offensive side of the ball.

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[Dr. Evil]

Josh McDaniels was the only coach not fired by St. Louis.

And they will interview Jeff Fisher:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/jeff-fisher-will-interview-in-st-louis/

They can't hire him though until they are done having coffee with Tony Dungy. It's mandatory: talking to Dungy for more than a second = compliance with Rooney Rule.

If an NFL team wants Fisher or Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden, they must at least have coffee with Tony Dungy.

[SpideyInATree]

Watching the local news here I love the dumb people they interview about the Steelers. "Do you think Tim Tebow will do good against the Steelers?" I swear...this grown man said, "He will do well against the Steelers D. He's got some kind of magic that makes defenders miss...Steelers will lose".

I swear our local news here looks for the most retarded people and interviews them, haha.

Then they played like ten or twenty clips of Steeler fans mocking Tebow and even "pointed out" that Big Ben gets on his knee and prays. To the rape Gods I said. :oldrazz:

Tebow will get torn apart. The Broncos D will do solid against the Steelers offense but then eventually they'll get broken down and Steelers will claim victory and move on to Baltimore to extract vengeance.

[Hush]

I'm so glad they have kept Josh. I think he needs a proper off-season and I think any coach would be silly to just get rid of him. SOOOOO glad Devaney isn't gone, that guy was a horrible GM and in my mind only drafted 3 good players, Lauranitaus, Bradford and Long. I just want a competent GM and a experienced coach. Oh and Justin Blackmon would be nice. Spags was a great guy who got thrown in a horrible situation and under better circumstances he would have been amazing, oh well though.

[Dr. Evil]

Tebow will be Roethlisbergered by the Steelers this weekend.

[Dr. Evil]

Jeff Fisher to interview with Dolphins:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/01/sometimes-the-nfl-turns-something-that-is-as-fundamental-as-running-faster-or-being-stronger-into-exotic-scientific-sounding.html

[KalMart]

Josh McDaniels was the only coach not fired by St. Louis.

And they will interview Jeff Fisher:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/jeff-fisher-will-interview-in-st-louis/

They can't hire him though until they are done having coffee with Tony Dungy. It's mandatory: talking to Dungy for more than a second = compliance with Rooney Rule.

If an NFL team wants Fisher or Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden, they must at least have coffee with Tony Dungy.
And get his blessing. :D

I'd actually pick any of those guys before Dungy anyway.

[Donut]

Jeff Fisher to interview with Dolphins:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/01/sometimes-the-nfl-turns-something-that-is-as-fundamental-as-running-faster-or-being-stronger-into-exotic-scientific-sounding.html

& they already have a coach in house to complete the Rooney rule. But I dont think a coach like Fisher will be okay with being a yes man to Jeff Ireland. If he was smart he would tell Ross to fire Ireland & then he would take the job

[bullets]

Count me in, please

[Hush]

I really hope Miami doesn't get Fisher, I want him in STL bad.

[KalMart]

I think he'd look better in the Miami jacket. Lighter blues seem to suit him. :D

[Dr. Evil]

& they already have a coach in house to complete the Rooney rule. But I dont think a coach like Fisher will be okay with being a yes man to Jeff Ireland. If he was smart he would tell Ross to fire Ireland & then he would take the job

Fisher reportedly wants to coach a team with a QB:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/jeff-fisher-wants-to-coach-rams-chargers-bucs-colts-possible/

[Kane52630]

wait wait wait wait......playoffs?

[Donut]

Fisher reportedly wants to coach a team with a QB:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/jeff-fisher-wants-to-coach-rams-chargers-bucs-colts-possible/

The Dolphins don't have that either & with Ireand there I doubt they will get a QB in the draft. Ross needs to fire Ireland. But it is looking more & more likely that Ireland has dirt on Ross & that is why he is still there

[Matt]

Apparently Phillip Rivers and other players have spoken to Chargers owner Dean Spanos in defense of Norv Turner and Spanos is really considering keeping him around. The San Diego Union Tribune is reporting due to the players' support and the fact that the Chargers won 4 of their last 5 games, Spanos is leaning towards giving Turner one last chance.

The Polians are out and Turner may still have a job. This is a shocking Black Monday. :wow:

[Matt]

Fisher reportedly wants to coach a team with a QB:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/jeff-fisher-wants-to-coach-rams-chargers-bucs-colts-possible/

Fisher may end up screwing this whole thing up. It seems to me at this point that he is just playing teams against each other to get his stock (and pay check) up and they may start considering other options if he does not quit playing games.

That being said, I think Fisher will end up with the Rams. Fisher's agent is the father of the Rams' vice-president of football operations. That makes me think that the Rams have the inside track.

However, I could also see him going to the Colts. He will have the number one draft pick (and Andrew Luck) and with the Polians out, Irsay may very well allow Fisher to build his own front office. Fisher can enter a team with TWO franchise quarterbacks right off of the bat as well as an owner who has shown devotion to winning in the past. Irsay needs someone with experience to guide the franchise. Fisher returning to the AFC South would not surprise me.

[enterthemadness]

Damn, Fisher just threw Moore under the bus.

I ain't joining no playoff pool, Denver all the way. Dat Tim Tebow.

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[Matt]

Damn, Fisher just threw Moore under the bus.

I ain't joining no playoff pool, Denver all the way. Dat Tim Tebow.

Did you really think that Moore would be starting in Miami next season?

[Donut]

Did you really think that Moore would be starting in Miami next season?

Jeff Ireland could be like Tony & love Matt like Tony loved Henne

[KalMart]

Apparently Phillip Rivers and other players have spoken to Chargers owner Dean Spanos in defense of Norv Turner and Spanos is really considering keeping him around. The San Diego Union Tribune is reporting due to the players' support and the fact that the Chargers won 4 of their last 5 games, Spanos is leaning towards giving Turner one last chance.

The Polians are out and Turner may still have a job. This is a shocking Black Monday. :wow:

Not a huge Turner fan, but is there anyone else available who'd be better...to win now with this crew?

[Hound55]

Then they played like ten or twenty clips of Steeler fans mocking Tebow and even "pointed out" that Big Ben gets on his knee and prays. To the rape Gods I said. :oldrazz:

He is their avatar...

[SpideyInATree]

Tebow will be Roethlisbergered by the Steelers this weekend.

:funny:

If the local news ever interviews me I'm totally saying that.

[enterthemadness]

Did you really think that Moore would be starting in Miami next season?

He's made a case. 6-6 record as a starter. 2,497 yards passed. 16/9 TD/INT. Another 2 TD's on the ground. QB rating in the upper 80's I believe. Only QB on roster signed next season. But he'll have to battle for it. But outside of Luck, RGIII, or FA Flynn....he'll start.

[Matt]

Jeff Ireland could be like Tony & love Matt like Tony loved Henne

I have my doubts that Ireland will have that kind of power with the new coach. It'll be the coach's choice who starts and I can't see it being Matt Moore.

Not a huge Turner fan, but is there anyone else available who'd be better...to win now with this crew?

I could see that leading to Turner staying as well. Especially if the rumors are true that San Diego has made plays at trading for Andy Reid and luring Bill Cowher out of retirement. If neither panned out, who else is there? Gruden seems to be staying put. Fisher, I don't think, would want to deal with Rivers' attitude after Vince Young. So, the choices are take a risk on a coordinator who may or may not work or stick with what you know, who has shown the capability to win in the past. They may very well choose the latter.