What villains are left for a 4th film?

[BrollySupersj]

Now I'm not very Transformer character savvy, I only know the more popular ones. But after seeing Megatron, The Fallen, Star Scream, Soundwave, and Shockwave, all killed....who does that leave to take the mantle? Other than Unicron.:oldrazz:

Just finished DOTM few minutes ago, loved it.

[Thundercrack85]

Can only hope there won't be a sequel to Bay's trilogy. But I see no reason why he couldn't bring back Megatron for a third time. Maybe have him transform into a dead horse?

[Jochimus]

Can only hope there won't be a sequel to Bay's trilogy. But I see no reason why he couldn't bring back Megatron for a third time. Maybe have him transform into a dead horse?

This.

If we have to have a TF4, I say LEAVE THE DEAD TRANSFORMERS DEAD.

[Anti-Moderator]

Maybe have Megatron be the REAL threat in the storyline and not a whipping boy for someone else. To me he was only the major villain for the last 25 minutes of the first movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There are plenty they could go with, my personal choice would be Thunderwing with a close adaptation of Stormbringer being the basis for the movie. We could see the likes of Jazz, Megatron etc in flashbacks to keep it all familiar.

Other than him there is Galvatron, The Quintessons, Straxus, Nova/Nemesis Prime (although a 3rd fallen Prime on the run might be a bit much) or there is also Sixshot, who would be a pretty formidable enemy.

[Soundwave]

My guess is that the next major villain would be Galvatron.

[rayc1971]

galvatron works!

[CaptainJustin97]

Other than Unicron, there's Hun-Gurr from the terrorcons,
Straxus, Primacon, the Quintessons and the Predacons.

I don't mind have Galvatron along with Cyclonus and Scrouge but at least have Galvatron's origin different than from the Transformers the Movie (1986).

[TheAQU4M4N]

I feel everyone wants Unicron, since we are getting a fourth movie I would like just one single threat to the Autobots. I understand why Bay killed off most of the important decepticons because i think he thought this would be his last time directing them.

[elgaz]

I think now is the absolute perfect time for Galvatron and Unicron to make an appearance.

Imagine -

Unicron, floating aimlessly somewhere in deep space, could have been alerted to the presence of Transformers on Earth by the opening of the space bridge in TF3. This caused a huge spatial disburbance which could have been picked up by his long range sensors.

Megatron died at the end of TF3, right? I'd imagine that the Autobots would somehow have ejected his body into space to get rid of it. They tried burying him in the sea at the end of TF1, but that obviously didn't work so space would seem a more permanent solution.

That would set up a perfect scenario where Unicron would come across Megatron's body in his slow journey towards earth, and he could rebuild him into Galvatron for some nefarious purpose. Galvatron would be sent on ahead to engage the Autobots before Unicron's arrival.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I personalyl hope they save Unicron for a 5th or 6th movie, he is the biggest threat the Transformers will face so save him for last. Thunderwing would be perfect for TF4 in my eyes.

[*Whiplash*]

Megatron died at the end of TF3, right? I'd imagine that the Autobots would somehow have ejected his body into space to get rid of it. They tried burying him in the sea at the end of TF1, but that obviously didn't work so space would seem a more permanent solution.

That would set up a perfect scenario where Unicron would come across Megatron's body in his slow journey towards earth, and he could rebuild him into Galvatron for some nefarious purpose. Galvatron would be sent on ahead to engage the Autobots before Unicron's arrival.

In TF1, his body was intact and whole despite the cube lodged in his sternum.

TF3, he pretty much got mutilated.

[elgaz]

He was decapitated, but my point remains - he was to all intents and purposes 'dead' after TF1, yet was still revived. There's still a chance he could be revived again, or rebuilt by whatever decepticons or left - which is why I think the Autobots would remove that risk by getting his body totally away from Earth.

[SymbioticToxin]

Their's the obvious choice of Unicron, though with everyone dead I doubt it. If he hadn't been poorly used and killed I would say make Shockwave the PROPER villain he should have been/deserved to be. Or, if all else fails...make one up.

[psylockolussus]

I'm not that familiar with the Transformers universe but I really hope Megatron is not coming back anymore.

[def28]

Probably Galvatron but seriously, how does Bay not want to do Unicron? Unicron would equal the largest scale of mayhem on screen haha. Do it Bay!

[Thundercrack85]

I still say Galvatron, transforming into a dead horse.

[jaqua99]

Megatron. He's been back in all 3. Who's to say the next one won't be different?

[jaqua99]

Probably Galvatron but seriously, how does Bay not want to do Unicron? Unicron would equal the largest scale of mayhem on screen haha. Do it Bay!


Even over what Marvel may be doing with Thanos?

[def28]

Even over what Marvel may be doing with Thanos?

With Bay? Yeah, Im sure he feels challenged by the Avengers to have even more explosions and choas haha. Especially since there are quite a few similarities in the final battle in both films. Im strictly talking action here and Avengers was more successful in that regard as far as the entire final act (DOTM followed Shia/humans too much) but that scene with the driller in DOTM was one of the best set pieces Ive ever seen on film.

A planet sized Transformer devouring planets with Bay attached? That would definitely be some of the most ridiculous crazy ass **** ever put on screen. Not gonna see another Transformer movie for the dialogue, might as well give us something insane and even more epic in scale.

[Hypestyle]

I feel everyone wants Unicron, since we are getting a fourth movie I would like just one single threat to the Autobots. I understand why Bay killed off most of the important decepticons because i think he thought this would be his last time directing them.

yep. this would be tricky to pull off, though-- how do you finesse a planet sized structure heading for earth, without setting off all sorts of cosmic mayhem, disrupting earth's orbit?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Again I just dont see the clamour for Unicron, he is a decent villain and he should be the be all and end all that the TF's face, I doubt the 4th movie is going to be last if its as successful as DOTM so leave him for the final movie, give us the likes of Thunderwing, Straxus or Sixshot first.

[MessiahDecoy123]

They're going to reboot and start over since they painted themselves in a corner with TF3.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I believe they said it was only going to be a partial re-boot, were non of the human characters come back, but the TF's themselves will be the same, so I think it will continue the story in some ways.

[Matt312]

Time for some Nemesis prime by the way of motormaster merging Menasor. Menasor and cyclonus and astro train ordered by Unicron. Unicron set up transformers 5 final battle. It would also be great for the dinobots considering their on Fall of cybertron game.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If they are lowering the budget as Bay said, we aint getting Unicron, simple as that, personally I now thin Thunderwing would be even more appropriate as he is powerful enough on his own to take on a large group of TF's. They could and should go back to Cybertron for some of it as well.

[Cyclonus]

If they are lowering the budget as Bay said, we aint getting Unicron, simple as that, personally I now thin Thunderwing would be even more appropriate as he is powerful enough on his own to take on a large group of TF's. They could and should go back to Cybertron for some of it as well.


Agreed, please no Unicron. Me being a huge G1 fan for over 20 years I don't want Bay to try to put Unicron in his movies, he will screw it up, mess his look, his origin, etc. They could do Galvatron and maybe change his origin a bit, or have Shockwave, or new made up Decepticon Villain, but no UNICRON!

[Spider-Cross]

didn't you idiots pay any attentin to one of my articles. ure it's onfusing but Ihave found the 4th film's best speciic main villain! It's Skyquake! Unicron is Transformers 5 's main villain

[DrCosmic]

Unicron and Galvatron.

Seriously... some obscure guys ain't gonna interest me at all. It can't be anyone who I would think: "Oh, a second rate Megatron?"

[YoungPrime]

didn't you idiots pay any attentin to one of my articles. ure it's onfusing but Ihave found the 4th film's best speciic main villain! It's Skyquake! Unicron is Transformers 5 's main villain

Wrong!

Bay is the villain in all these films.

[def28]

If Bay can just get a good script and keep out of that area of film making we could have a solid flick. Overall I still really dig the first.

[SpideyFan866]

Unicron and Galvatron.

Seriously... some obscure guys ain't gonna interest me at all. It can't be anyone who I would think: "Oh, a second rate Megatron?"

This.

Bay and Co. got kinda got lucky NOT having Megatron be the main villain again in TF3. especially considering that they marketed Shockwave as the main villain. Unicron and Galvatron are the best possible choices for the villains. Maybe if they decide to bring other worlds into play, they can have the Junkions. This would be GLORIOUS for Michael Bay considering they speak, essentially, like the Bumblebee does.

But yeah, at this point, Unicron and Galvatron are the most sensible choices. However, bringing in Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime would be a whole other story. It would mean killing Optimus off "permanently" again and that went over SOOOOOO well when they did it in 1986.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Bay can just get a good script and keep out of that area of film making we could have a solid flick. Overall I still really dig the first.

The first is still a great flick I dont care what anyone says, VERY under-rated as both a blockbuster and a comic book movie. I really hope we can get back to that level of movie someday.

[def28]

Agreed, even the build up was solid. The final battle remains the best climax of the series.
But yeah, at this point, Unicron and Galvatron are the most sensible choices. However, bringing in Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime would be a whole other story. It would mean killing Optimus off "permanently" again and that went over SOOOOOO well when they did it in 1986.
1986 might be coming around again. Sounds like they are brining a whole new Robot cast, hasbro needs to sell toys haha. I would say best bet is Transformers The Movie crew minus Arcee. Def need Grimlock and Hot Rod. If they dont that would be a huge mistake. Without Prime and Bee I think those two along with Ultra Magnus are the only ones who are even a small fraction of being as Marketable.

Hope Optimus shows up somewhere. Maybe they finally ran out of ideas on how to stop him from fighting then saving everyone last minute haha.

[Fading]

They can use movies 4 & 5 to set Unicron up as the major enemy for 6. They can start 4 with a tease of Unicron. He sends a harbinger like Sixshot (who would kick lots of ass on screen), like Silver Surfer and Galactus. They're defeated, and Unicron moving slowly has the surviving minions bring back Megatron, Soundwave (or Starscream), and Shockwave's corpses. Movie 4 ends with him turning them into Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge. Movie 5 is them vs the Autobots. Movie 5 ends with Galvatron defeated (still alive), but Unicron looming in the background. Movie 6 can then just lead off as a collosal battle for Earth, and eventually have the Autobots and Decepticons team up.

I would like to the Dinobots, and Predicons introduced in 4. Kup, Ultra Magnus, and Hotrod in 5 (minus an Optimus death since they already went there in 2).

[MarvelKnight]

Unicron and Galvatron.

Seriously... some obscure guys ain't gonna interest me at all. It can't be anyone who I would think: "Oh, a second rate Megatron?"

Yeah, if they want to resurrect this property they need to do it with some memorable big bads (that aren't megatron or megatron lol). This would be the way to go.

Not that they are villains, but I would love to see the dinobots before they are done making these movies.

[terry78]

And I want to hear the explanations of how they transform into dinosaurs. Maybe they scan fossils or something, which opens up a whole new thing.

[MarvelKnight]

And I want to hear the explanations of how they transform into dinosaurs. Maybe they scan fossils or something, which opens up a whole new thing.

Yeah, that would make most sense.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Galvatron, Unicron, Jhaxius, Straxus, Scorponok, the Hub, Nemesis Prime, Deathsaurus, Black Zarak, the Quintessons, Circuit Breaker, BW Megatron, the Vok, the Swarm, Bludgeon, Overlord and Thunderwing.

[Mace Dolex]

Transformers unlike people can always be rebuilt/remodeled that I'm sure Megatron can come back even if they have his head in a floating in a jar filled with energon.

[gkokujin]

And I want to hear the explanations of how they transform into dinosaurs. Maybe they scan fossils or something, which opens up a whole new thing.

why not just stick to the lore? the dinobots are sent to earth millions of years ago and scan dinosaurs because they are the predominate life form, something happens and they are deactivated only to be reactivated millions of years later.

but that would be too much like right to Bay :whatever:

[Optimus_Prime_]

Transformers unlike people can always be rebuilt/remodeled that I'm sure Megatron can come back even if they have his head in a floating in a jar filled with energon.
This too.

[godisawesome]

I wouldn't mind Galvatron being used as a vehicle to resurrect Megatron, though I'd prefer it if Galvatron had an entirely different character and we wound up with a split personality fight between the two, possibly showing who's in control via the eye color and voice work.

Unicron can work, as long as they play him as a true planet eater and devil for the Cybertronians.

And if someone could convince Bay to allow the Dinobots in the movie, I say make a melee-based Decepticon like Bludgeon be their personal enemy.

[neevnav]

Swindle masterminded the entire first trilogy and now reveals himself.

[Matt312]

How about Menasor or Japanese double powermaster Overlord?

[Tristan_McClark]

I would love to see Unicron onscreen. Just the idea of a threat to both Autobots and Decepticons has me sold. I think Unicron could be pulled off, but it might be extremely difficult. A giant robot is one thing. A planet-eating robot is something else. Unicron would have to be scaled back some, in my opinion.

[Godzilla2000]

Hmmm...I'm sure with all their tentaclely goodness the Quintessons would be a good villain if you pair them up with Unicron.

[GothamInAshes]

Wrong!

Bay is the villain in all these films.
hahahahahahahahaha i totally agree!! :applaud

[Grievous]

Maybe have Megatron be the REAL threat in the storyline and not a whipping boy for someone else. To me he was only the major villain for the last 25 minutes of the first movie.

This

All Megatron has been through the Bay trilogy is someone else's lackey. Only in the first movie was he given justice.

[terry78]

The only reason I want Unicron is because I am certain Bay would not try and skimp on it and make him a cloud or some ****. If he wants him planet sized, if budget allows, Paramount will allow it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^The budget for this is meant to be lower than the last movie, what would be the point of doing Unicron in this movie?

Save him for the biggest threat in the biggest movie.

[terry78]

That was just conjecture from Bay I think.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont see why, he said DOTM would have the same budget as ROTF and in the end he was right, why would he suddenly start lying about the budget now?

[Fading]

Like I was saying before, you can just spend a movie or two building up to Unicron. He doesn't have to appear for awhile. Just be a voice in the shadows directing his vanguard (who would be the villains the autobots fight in movie 4) to his next meal, Earth. End of movie 4 they return defeated with the corpse of Megatron. Movie 5 Megs returns as Galvatron, heralding Unicron's return. Unicron doesn't actually appear until the end of movie 5, or in 6. They can introduce him to set up the story without blowing the budget until the huge fight culminates in 6.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont know, I think the 4th movie needs to be its own thing, have a totally seperate villain/s like Thunderwing or Straxus. Have a teaser maybe at the end of TF4 showing Megatron being rebuilt into Galvatron.

THEN build up Unicron through movie 5 and reveal him in movie 6 as the big bad.

[Avangarde]

Galvatron doesn't need to be reborn from Megatron, just introduce him as a separate entity. He can be Unicrons harbinger, if Bay was smart he could look at the big picture and plan a head for this new trilogy, leading up to the grand finale of Unicron in movie 6.

[terry78]

I confess he does have a lot of untapped potential left he could deal with. Dinobots, Junkions, Quintessions, whatever.

[Fading]

I never understood the resistance to the Dinobots. Nearly every fan likes them. Yet highmoon had to beg to include them in the fall of cybertron game, and I remember reading once that Bay didn't want them either. On paper robot dino's may sound goofy, but it's been showed repeatedly they can be the badass muscle of the autobots.

[Fading]

^I dont know, I think the 4th movie needs to be its own thing, have a totally seperate villain/s like Thunderwing or Straxus. Have a teaser maybe at the end of TF4 showing Megatron being rebuilt into Galvatron.

THEN build up Unicron through movie 5 and reveal him in movie 6 as the big bad.

Personally, I wouldn't have killed off Shockwave in 3. He's been shown to be every bit as much of a villain as Megatron in other Transformer mediums. They could have introduced Ultra Magnus in 4 as the leader of a group of autobot survivors, and Shockwave as a leader of a decepticon army. Shockwave heads to Earth after losing contact with Megatron, and is the villain for 1 movie.

I wonder if they do end up bringing in Galvatron, if they'll give him Cyclonus, and Scourge as minions. Given that all of Megatron's top soldiers died, they need to fill some empty spaces, not just Megatron's.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Galvatron doesn't need to be reborn from Megatron, just introduce him as a separate entity. He can be Unicrons harbinger, if Bay was smart he could look at the big picture and plan a head for this new trilogy, leading up to the grand finale of Unicron in movie 6.

Thats true, in the more recent comics Galvatron and Megatron existed as seperate entities when Galvatron was following Nemesis Prime, they could easily follow this route in the movie and have it build up to Unicron.

Personally, I wouldn't have killed off Shockwave in 3. He's been shown to be every bit as much of a villain as Megatron in other Transformer mediums. They could have introduced Ultra Magnus in 4 as the leader of a group of autobot survivors, and Shockwave as a leader of a decepticon army. Shockwave heads to Earth after losing contact with Megatron, and is the villain for 1 movie.

I wonder if they do end up bringing in Galvatron, if they'll give him Cyclonus, and Scourge as minions. Given that all of Megatron's top soldiers died, they need to fill some empty spaces, not just Megatron's.

Shockwave should never have been killed off, what a waste of an awesome character and potentially superb villain. They should have just used another character in his place as Shockwave, one of the best villains in TF lore, was just simply wasted.

Although there are still other villains they can use, Thunderwing and Sixshot come to mind.

[Avangarde]

I never understood the resistance to the Dinobots. Nearly every fan likes them. Yet highmoon had to beg to include them in the fall of cybertron game, and I remember reading once that Bay didn't want them either. On paper robot dino's may sound goofy, but it's been showed repeatedly they can be the badass muscle of the autobots.

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

[Fading]

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

I like that too. In Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and his team left their station to follow up on something during the last days of the war. They get ambushed, and captured by Shockwave, and his Insecticon army. Shockwave experiments on them to create the ultimate soldier. To achieve this he routes 95% of their power to combat related functions. Making thinking much harder for the Dinobots, whereas before they weren't idiots at the least.

Grimlock ends up fueling his transformation with rage from what Shockwave did to them, and from his difficulty grasping simple ideas. Their forms come from when older transformers explored our solar system before the war, and noted Earth looked ripe for energon. Shockwave studied their finds, and used the biggest, toughest forms from Earth at the time (dinosaurs). Shockwave during that time also discovers the spacebridge, and repairs it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I liked the way IDW handled the Dinobots. They were a small science team hunting down Shockwave on earth during the Jurrasic period. They used a special bio-organic skin to coat them when they scanned the local populace. A fight ensured, and they all ended up trapped in a tar pit for millennia. During that time there organic skin corroded away to reveal the exo-skeletal frame, the look they kept when they were dug up in the 20th century. This could work on film.

I like that too. In Fall of Cybertron Grimlock and his team left their station to follow up on something during the last days of the war. They get ambushed, and captured by Shockwave, and his Insecticon army. Shockwave experiments on them to create the ultimate soldier. To achieve this he routes 95% of their power to combat related functions. Making thinking much harder for the Dinobots, whereas before they weren't idiots at the least.

Grimlock ends up fueling his transformation with rage from what Shockwave did to them, and from his difficulty grasping simple ideas. Their forms come from when older transformers explored our solar system before the war, and noted Earth looked ripe for energon. Shockwave studied their finds, and used the biggest, toughest forms from Earth at the time (dinosaurs). Shockwave during that time also discovers the spacebridge, and repairs it.

Either of these scenario's could work in a movie setting to set up the Dinobots and would be both plausible and believable in the universe we have seen so far.

Personally I prefer the more recent IDW version as when I read it it was superb and in the movie it would mean we would get to see Shockwave again, albeit in a flashback. But seeing him fighting the Dinobots would be awesome.