The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 6

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[Brain Damage]

I've been thinking about it, and I have to say, Spider-Man 3 is like the Batman Forever of the Spider-Man series.

It had really great potential, but it was squandered by some stupid decisions and some really goofy moments, but nevertheless, it's not awful and definitely has redeeming qualities.

I'm just thankful Spider-Man never got to the B&R phase, though I suppose that would have made the reboot feel more justifiable.

[UltimateWebhead]

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[Spider-ManHero12]

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http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/3-rage-face.png This, lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anybody here almost faint after seeing Ock for the first time? That poster that was released of Ock was just so incredible. Hell, it still is.

[Godzilla2014]

I've been thinking about it, and I have to say, Spider-Man 3 is like the Batman Forever of the Batman series.

It had really great potential, but it was squandered by some stupid decisions and some really goofy moments, but nevertheless, it's not awful and definitely has redeeming qualities.

I'm just thankful Spider-Man never got to the B&R phase, though I suppose that would have made the reboot feel more justifiable.

That's a great way to think about it!

[UltimateWebhead]

Anybody here almost faint after seeing Ock for the first time? That poster that was released of Ock was just so incredible. Hell, it still is.

It was pretty cool. I remember seeing the teaser trailer for the first time and watching Ock as he strode in to that cafe after throwing the car...yeah, I peed a little.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Replying to your post from the previous thread, Troy Parker. I agree. I like to wait a few months [like 4 or 5] before watching a movie again. No matter how good the movie is, I'd get bored if I had already seen the movie recently.

[Anno_Domini]

2-3 months for me, but there is one movie that I can watch every single night if I wanted to....Watchmen.

[The Joker]

Anybody here almost faint after seeing Ock for the first time? That poster that was released of Ock was just so incredible. Hell, it still is.

I had a fan gasm. After the awful Goblin costume in Spider-Man 1 I was so nervous they were going to screw up Ock's look, too. I was over joyed and knocked for six at the awesomeness of Doc Ock's reveal poster at Comic Con waaaaaaaay back in July of '03.

[Spider-Aziz]

I can relate to Troy, cause I remember stuff that happened and I expect to see them long before they happen

[Venom75]

I've been thinking about it, and I have to say, Spider-Man 3 is like the Batman Forever of the Spider-Man series.

It had really great potential, but it was squandered by some stupid decisions and some really goofy moments, but nevertheless, it's not awful and definitely has redeeming qualities.

I'm just thankful Spider-Man never got to the B&R phase, though I suppose that would have made the reboot feel more justifiable.

Yeah.I'd agree with that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It was pretty cool. I remember seeing the teaser trailer for the first time and watching Ock as he strode in to that cafe after throwing the car...yeah, I peed a little. Nice, lol.

[SpideyFan866]

2-3 months for me, but there is one movie that I can watch every single night if I wanted to....Watchmen.

I thought I was the only one. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[SpideyFan866]

I have a question. Does anyone else remember Tim Curry being cast as Doc Ock or being rumoured to play Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2?

I remember seeing that in a magazine I once had listing the CBMs coming out in Summer 2003 and Summer 2004.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think so, but it was fake.

[UltimateWebhead]

I have a question. Does anyone else remember Tim Curry being cast as Doc Ock or being rumoured to play Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2?

I remember seeing that in a magazine I once had listing the CBMs coming out in Summer 2003 and Summer 2004.

If I remember correctly it was a rumor and never really happened.

[SpideyFan866]

Ok. I remembered that and I was slightly confused when he wasn't actually in the film as Doc Ock.

[Spider-ManHero12]

When I heard that rumor, I really didn't think of it as anything real. Tim Curry does not fit Doc Ock at all, lol.

[Anno_Domini]

I don't know....I could see Curry as Doc Ock.

Actors can surprise you; Ryan Reynolds was definitely not the reason Green Lantern sucked, for example.

[SpideyFan866]

Dr. Frankenfurter + Doc Ock = :doh:

[Anno_Domini]

And when Heath Ledger got the role of Joker, people complained because he was "the guy in the gay cowboy movie".

[SpideyFan866]

And when Heath Ledger got the role of Joker, people complained because he was "the guy in the gay cowboy movie".

Well, yeah.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't know....I could see Curry as Doc Ock.

Actors can surprise you; Ryan Reynolds was definitely not the reason Green Lantern sucked, for example. True, but Curry just......there's nothing Ock about him, lol.

[Anno_Domini]

The same can be said about Molina pre-Spider-Man 2 and Ledger pre-The Dark Knight.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, yeah for LEdger, but Molina had some Ock attributes from the start.

[Anno_Domini]

What are these attributes?

[The Joker]

What are these attributes?

Well he played convincing bad guys before in other movies and he had the physical look for Doc Ock. Here he is in Frida:

http://images.buddytv.com/btv_2_1355725_1_434_593_0_/alfred-molina--as-di.jpg

It's not hard to imagine him wearing the shades and tentacles.

[Anno_Domini]

Then he would have the same attribute as Ledger then? Ledger definitely had the look that Joker had in The Killing Joke.

But, also....I'm not very well-rounded with Molina's films...what are some other films where he played a bad guy? I'd be interested in checking those out.

[The Joker]

Then he would have the same attribute as Ledger then? Ledger definitely had the look that Joker had in The Killing Joke.

Well I wouldn't say that. That was a testament to the brilliance of Heath's chameleon acting. He was a Hollywood pretty boy. The kind of guy girls would pin up on their bedroom wall. But when you look at him in The Dark Knight as Joker he is unrecognizable in every way.

But, also....I'm not very well-rounded with Molina's films...what are some other films where he played a bad guy? I'd be interested in checking those out.

My two personal favorites are 'Not without my daughter' with Sally Field, where he played her physically abusive husband. That's right, you can see Doc Ock torturing the new Aunt May.

My other favorite is when he played a psycho drug dealer in Boogie Nights with Mark Wahlberg. Check him out in Maverick with Mel Gibson, playing a nasty Cowboy called Angel.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Then he would have the same attribute as Ledger then? Ledger definitely had the look that Joker had in The Killing Joke.

But, also....I'm not very well-rounded with Molina's films...what are some other films where he played a bad guy? I'd be interested in checking those out.
I know he played the villain in The Sorcerer's Apprentice, but that's his only other role that I'm familiar with.

[The Joker]

The Sorcerer's Apprentice came after Spider-Man 2, too. I think Anno was asking for baddie roles Molina played before Doc Ock.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

The Sorcerer's Apprentice came after Spider-Man 2, too. I think Anno was asking for baddie roles Molina played before Doc Ock.
Now that you mention it, you're probably right. I just assumed he meant all of his villain roles.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Can we count his role in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

[SpideyFan866]

Can we count his role in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

H*ll no.

[Spider-Aziz]

Actors can surprise you; Ryan Reynolds was definitely not the reason Green Lantern sucked, for example.He didn't surprise me in that role

[SpideyFan866]

He didn't surprise me in that role

Agreed. The only CBM role Ryan Reynolds suprised anyone with was his role as Wade Wilson, the man who would be Deadpool.

He was great as Wade Wilson.

[The Morningstar]

Was it really surprising that he was a great Wade Wilson? He has been a fan favourite for the role for years.

[SpideyFan866]

Was it really surprising that he was a great Wade Wilson? He has been a fan favourite for the role for years.

Was he really? I never knew that. I mostly knew him as a fan favorite for The Flash, but not Wade Wilson.

[The Morningstar]

Yea, ever since Blade Trinity when he said he was a fan of the character people have been wanting him for Deadpool.

[SpideyFan866]

Yea, ever since Blade Trinity when he said he was a fan of the character people have been wanting him for Deadpool.

I guessed that movie was why.

[UltimateWebhead]

Well I wouldn't say that. That was a testament to the brilliance of Heath's chameleon acting. He was a Hollywood pretty boy. The kind of guy girls would pin up on their bedroom wall. But when you look at him in The Dark Knight as Joker he is unrecognizable in every way.

This. I love it when an actor surprises you with their ability and completely overtakes a role to the point where you cannot see that line that separates the actor from the character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yea, ever since Blade Trinity when he said he was a fan of the character people have been wanting him for Deadpool. Agreed.

[SpideyFan866]

This. I love it when an actor surprises you with their ability and completely overtakes a role to the point where you cannot see that line that separates the actor from the character.

Agreed. I will like to noe that I only evr felt that way about someone in the Raimi films when it came to Thomas Haden Curch as Flint Marko/Sandman.

Best B-villain to screen adaptation to this day, IMO

[Anno_Domini]

Well I wouldn't say that. That was a testament to the brilliance of Heath's chameleon acting. He was a Hollywood pretty boy. The kind of guy girls would pin up on their bedroom wall. But when you look at him in The Dark Knight as Joker he is unrecognizable in every way.

I can agree to this for the most part, but I do think he had the look of Joker from Killing Joke; makeup and not.

My two personal favorites are 'Not without my daughter' with Sally Field, where he played her physically abusive husband. That's right, you can see Doc Ock torturing the new Aunt May.

My other favorite is when he played a psycho drug dealer in Boogie Nights with Mark Wahlberg. Check him out in Maverick with Mel Gibson, playing a nasty Cowboy called Angel.

I have seen Maverick, but not the other two. I will definitely check them out though, thanks! :up:

I know he played the villain in The Sorcerer's Apprentice, but that's his only other role that I'm familiar with.

I have seen Sorcerer's Apprentice, but I can't appreciate it when Nicholas Cage is in the film, lol.

Can we count his role in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Either way, I've already seen that movie...that was his first role, wasn't it?

He didn't surprise me in that role

Why? He was never thought of portraying Hal Jordan, and only Flash or Deadpool. I think when someone who has never been thought of for a character becomes that character, I'd say it surprises people.

Was it really surprising that he was a great Wade Wilson? He has been a fan favourite for the role for years.

This. He didn't surprise me as Wade Wilson/Deadpool because he was thought of being that guy for so many years, although...I do hope, if he does play Deadpool later on, we can forget about the torture that X-Men Origins: Wolverine gave us.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Either way, I've already seen that movie...that was his first role, wasn't it?
Indeed.

[Spider-Aziz]

Agreed. The only CBM role Ryan Reynolds suprised anyone with was his role as Wade Wilson, the man who would be Deadpool.

He was great as Wade Wilson.That one was even less surprising

Why? He was never thought of portraying Hal Jordan, and only Flash or Deadpool. I think when someone who has never been thought of for a character becomes that character, I'd say it surprises people.Yeah, I expected Nathan Fillion due a nicely done fan trailer or something of that kind, but choosing Berg instead of Sharon's husband didn't startle me, I got accustomed to some stuff meant to surprise they don't surprise

[Spider-ManHero12]

I was not all that suprised Ryan played Lantern.

[Anno_Domini]

I'm not referring to him being cast as Hal Jordan/Green Lantern, but the fact that he was never a top choice and when he did become the hero, he had a very solid performance and the only strong thing about the entire GL film.

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm not referring to him being cast as Hal Jordan/Green Lantern, but the fact that he was never a top choice and when he did become the hero, he had a very solid performance and the only strong thing about the entire GL film.
That wasn't surprising either

[Anno_Domini]

As someone who can't get into a movie that Ryan Reynolds is in, then it definitely surprised me with his performance.

Maybe that's just me.

[socool]

Getting back on topic, I just recently rewatched all my favorite parts of the past 3 movies today, and I gotta say, it brought me on one hell of a nostalgia ride.

[Anno_Domini]

What were the favorite parts?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Getting back on topic, I just recently rewatched all my favorite parts of the past 3 movies today, and I gotta say, it brought me on one hell of a nostalgia ride.

I love nolstalgia. :up:

[socool]

What were the favorite parts?

All 3 final fights, Both final swings, all the Aunt May speeches, the crane scene in 3, and the birth of Venom and Sandman.

I love nolstalgia. :up:

I do, too, brother. I do, too.

[Anno_Domini]

I may definitely watch Spider-Man 1 and 2 soon. You got me when you mentioned the final swings, lol.

[SpideyFan866]

I love the birth of Goblin scene in SM1. That's an all time favorite of mine.

[Anno_Domini]

That probably has to be the best birth of a villain in the series, because I liked all the elements of it. Doc Ock's was amazing, but I didn't like how easy the death of his wife happened during that scene; Sandman's was incredible with the CGI, but made no sense when the locket wasn't destroyed; and Venom, as great as it was, it puts a bad taste in my mouth to even know that the symbiote and Venom himself were all wrong in the film.

[Spidey_62]

I actually just rewatched Spider-Man 2 today, hadn't seen it in a while. Still loved it a lot. I like the exploration of Peter's character.

I love the birth of Goblin scene in SM1. That's an all time favorite of mine.
Back to formula? :woot: My friend's think Norman spazzing out in the gas chamber is hilarious (in a good way, we all think Willem Dafoe is great). :gg:

[Anno_Domini]

Spider-Man 2, I have a feeling, will never really age, much like '89 Batman. Sure, some parts of the film can be considered cheesy, but the entire Raimi trilogy consists of that element and S-M 2 had the least amount.

The first film HAS aged a lot, imo, and it's only been ten years, which is sad.

[UltimateWebhead]

Spider-Man 2, I have a feeling, will never really age, much like '89 Batman. Sure, some parts of the film can be considered cheesy, but the entire Raimi trilogy consists of that element and S-M 2 had the least amount.

The first film HAS aged a lot, imo, and it's only been ten years, which is sad.

Totally agree with you about SM2. It will always be a classic in the superhero genre and IMO the only thing that will age will be the CGI effects.

[Anno_Domini]

*watches the reboot trailer*

Sam who?

[roach]

Yay....nothing like stirring the pot and causing trouble....

[The Joker]

My top five scenes of the trilogy:

1. The clock tower/train fight
2. The bank fight
3. Doc Ock's demonstration scene
4. Go get 'em tiger
5. The birth of Sandman

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have too many favorite moments to count.

[AnneFan]

Totally agree with you about SM2. It will always be a classic in the superhero genre

Agreed. It's a damn good movie. Nothing will change that.

[Spider-Aziz]

*watches the reboot trailer*

Sam who?
I almost thought the same way, but you know, Tim

[Spider-ManHero12]

Agreed. It's a damn good movie. Nothing will change that. Still the best cbm of all time, IMO.

[Anno_Domini]

Yay....nothing like stirring the pot and causing trouble....

I know, right? :woot:

:cwink:

My top five scenes of the trilogy:

1. The clock tower/train fight
2. The bank fight
3. Doc Ock's demonstration scene
4. Go get 'em tiger
5. The birth of Sandman

Nice selections. Would the final Green Goblin/Spider-Man fight be somewhere in the top ten?

I almost thought the same way, but you know, Tim

Lol, I DID think that, haha.

And...Tim who? Allen? Curry? Lol.

Still the best cbm of all time, IMO.

At least in the top five, but I could never give it that honor of being the best, imo.

[Spider-Aziz]

Watched the trailer to the new movie again, don't have the same giddy feeling, I still hope the movie would turn out to be better than SM2 and TDK put togetherLol, I DID think that, haha.I got that

And...Tim who? Allen? Curry? Lol.Burton

[Anno_Domini]

Well, Nolan's films ARE better than '89 Batman, but that doesn't mean I'm not giddy with excitement whenever I do watch it. I'm sure I will be the same whenever I watch Spider-Man 2, but I think Webb could really destroy Raimi's series. The first Spider-Man, I stopped having that feeling quite a while ago.

[Spider-Aziz]

Well, Nolan's films ARE better than '89 Batman, but that doesn't mean I'm not giddy with excitement whenever I do watch it. I'm sure I will be the same whenever I watch Spider-Man 2, but I think Webb could really destroy Raimi's series. The first Spider-Man, I stopped having that feeling quite a while ago.
Batman 89 > TDK > Batman Begins

[C. Lee]

*watches the reboot trailer*

Sam who?

If you are trying to troll...I suggest you stop.

[Anno_Domini]

Batman 89 > TDK > Batman Begins

I could agree to that, BUT Nolan is creating an amazing universe of that character, while '89 Batman was only a great film showcasing Batman and his greatest villain.

If you are trying to troll...I suggest you stop.

Good thing I wasn't.

If I was trolling, I would be showing up and saying how much I hate the trilogy now, which I have not.

[C. Lee]

Good thing I wasn't.

If I was trolling, I would be showing up and saying how much I hate the trilogy now, which I have not.

But why did you even bring that up in here in that way unless you were trying to "stir things up"...which you admitted to in another post by the way.....

[Anno_Domini]

"I know, right?" with a grin and a wink was not me admitting that. That was sarcasm. DID it stir the pot? No, it did not.

[C. Lee]

"I know, right?" with a grin and a wink was not me admitting that. That was sarcasm. DID it stir the pot? No, it did not.
But it attempted to...not all troll maneuvers work. I am saying....do not attempt it again.

[Anno_Domini]

I disagree on that being a troll attempt as that didn't even cross my mind, but I won't do it because you told me not to :up:

[The Joker]

Nice selections. Would the final Green Goblin/Spider-Man fight be somewhere in the top ten?

No, I honestly don't care for it much. The fight was too one sided. Spidey was reduced to a punching bag for the bulk of it. I like some balance in the fights.

I might forgive it if it was his first encounter with Goblin and didn't know what to expect, much like his first fight with Ock in ASM #3. But this was his third run in with Gobby.

[Spider-ManHero12]

The final fight between Spidey and goblin was fantastic, IMO. Pure brutality.

[Anno_Domini]

I understand what The Joker is getting from, though. In the final fight, it showed that perhaps Green Goblin was holding back on what he is capable of and it should've been the other way around. Peter got his ass handed to him up until the final moment, and that shouldn't have been the case. It was a moment that felt like a cartoon where the hero uses one last attempt at a final blow to defeat the villain.

BUT, I do enjoy the final battle because of that brutality, which was mostly given by Green Goblin. But things should've been different; Green Goblin should've given all he had and Spider-Man should've held back and just let him have it in the final battle.

The only final battle that showed Peter's abilities perfectly was against Doc Ock.

[Dragon]

No, I honestly don't care for it much. The fight was too one sided. Spidey was reduced to a punching bag for the bulk of it. I like some balance in the fights.

I might forgive it if it was his first encounter with Goblin and didn't know what to expect, much like his first fight with Ock in ASM #3. But this was his third run in with Gobby.

And moreover it was just a slug-fest. It wasn't Spidey and the Goblin bringing their unique abilities and weapons and using them to their full potential.

The fights with Harry in 3 were far better than any of the Goblin fights.

[Call Me Darkman]

*watches the reboot trailer*

Sam who?

Amazing Spider-Man trailer is impressive, but Spider-Man 2 trailer is better:

bpgrOgypc9g

[Bruce_Begins]

The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread

* Looks at the thread title *

I shouldn't be here.

*runs*

[Brain Damage]

I loved the Spider-Man 2 trailer :up:

And it makes me sick how it's become popular to hate on the Raimi films, when just a few years ago Spidey 2 was always in the listing of best comic book films.

Personally, I think it was the first GREAT comic book film, as in, outstanding.

X2 came close but Spidey 2 really showed just how much you could do with the genre.

[The Joker]

And moreover it was just a slug-fest. It wasn't Spidey and the Goblin bringing their unique abilities and weapons and using them to their full potential.

Exactly. It was just a one sided punch up. I never saw the appeal to it.

The fights with Harry in 3 were far better than any of the Goblin fights.

Agreed. The mansion fight between Peter and Harry is one of the best fights in the trilogy.

[roach]

I liked it for the brutality....can't expect Spidey to be at top form after holding up a trolley car, being smashed thru buildings and having a grenade explode in front of him....Peter was pretty jacked up and Norman was normal.

[roach]

I loved the Spider-Man 2 trailer :up:

And it makes me sick how it's become popular to hate on the Raimi films, when just a few years ago Spidey 2 was always in the listing of best comic book films.

Personally, I think it was the first GREAT comic book film, as in, outstanding.

X2 came close but Spidey 2 really showed just how much you could do with the genre.

It's a cycle we go thru...when a new series comes along we treat the old one like it wasn't great...wait til someone takes over batman and puts out a somewhat decent trailer

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ This is sad, but true.

[Spider-Aziz]

I can't view dodging the spinning flying blades in the burning building as CGI, looks very real

Thinking about it, who would let actors stuck between fire, and no one chokes from the smokes?

[Spider-ManHero12]

That scene is fantastic, btw.

[Spider-Aziz]

I know

[Dragon]

I liked it for the brutality....can't expect Spidey to be at top form after holding up a trolley car, being smashed thru buildings and having a grenade explode in front of him....Peter was pretty jacked up and Norman was normal.

But the thing is that the Goblin had done pretty much the same amount of work- He had also been carrying the tram. And we know that Peter wasn't completely spent since he does make a comeback. As far as the bomb in the face, that's the purpose of his spider sense. He shouldn't have been such an easy target. I agree the fight should've been brutal, but Spidey really should've shined more than he did. Like the Harry fights, it should've been back and forth.

[Dragon]

Exactly. It was just a one sided punch up. I never saw the appeal to it.



Agreed. The mansion fight between Peter and Harry is one of the best fights in the trilogy.

Yeah, the mansion fight was great because it wasn't just physical. but emotional as well. And both Tobey and James gave excellent performances.

[webhead731]

Top 5 moments:
Spider-Man and Green Goblin bridge and building battle
Ending of Spider-Man when Peter gives his speech to the swing
Birth of Venom
Spidey vs Ock on the train
Going after the car jacker

But really, I guess it changes from time to time. It's really hard to choose.

[Anno_Domini]

Amazing Spider-Man trailer is impressive, but Spider-Man 2 trailer is better:

bpgrOgypc9g

The trailer didn't excite me much, but the entire movie did :up:

Agreed. The mansion fight between Peter and Harry is one of the best fights in the trilogy.

My preference would have to be the first Harry/Peter fight in S-M 3, if I had to choose between the two. The dialogue during the mansion fight ruined it for me.

It's a cycle we go thru...when a new series comes along we treat the old one like it wasn't great...wait til someone takes over batman and puts out a somewhat decent trailer

Well, since I don't like the entire Raimi series, this doesn't apply to me, does it? Lol.

I still love Spider-Man 2, and always will. As I mentioned on another thread, Spider-Man 2, to me, will become like '89 Batman. Even though I may like Webb's series better when all the dust settles, I will always go back to that movie to watch as I do with Burton's film even when I love BB and TDK. The first Spider-Man, however, doesn't give me that same feeling; it has aged, imo.

[The Joker]

My preference would have to be the first Harry/Peter fight in S-M 3, if I had to choose between the two. The dialogue during the mansion fight ruined it for me.

I liked it, but it was kind of spoiled by Peter spending half the fight putting more effort into trying to save a ring than fending off a souped up psycho Harry Goblin.

[Anno_Domini]

Well, it was a special ring that meant a lot to Peter. I doubt he would've spent that much time into trying to save it if it weren't the ring that Uncle Ben gave to Aunt May, so it was something special, and I understand that. I do think, however, that Peter wasn't really even focused into fighting Harry and only trying to talk him out of it, which he did, until Peter decided to finally fight back. The fight was more understandable, imo, than the mansion fight which felt like a school yard fight with that dreadful dialogue.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Top 5 moments:
Spider-Man and Green Goblin bridge and building battle
Ending of Spider-Man when Peter gives his speech to the swing
Birth of Venom
Spidey vs Ock on the train
Going after the car jacker

But really, I guess it changes from time to time. It's really hard to choose. Yeah, there are just so MANY incredible moments from this trilogy. :up:

I may make a lsit in the future, but as Webhead said, there are just so many.

[webhead731]

I liked it, but it was kind of spoiled by Peter spending half the fight putting more effort into trying to save a ring than fending off a souped up psycho Harry Goblin.

Rings are as expensive as ****. :o

He got one for free. I'd be busting my ass too!

[UltimateWebhead]

It's not just the price tag on the ring but the symbol of what the ring meant. It was the same ring that Ben used to engage Aunt May and would be used for Peter to MJ. The sentimental value of the ring was enormous.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Rings are as expensive as ****. :o

He got one for free. I'd be busting my ass too! True, lol.

Either way, I LOVED the scene.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's not just the price tag on the ring but the symbol of what the ring meant. It was the same ring that Ben used to engage Aunt May and would be used for Peter to MJ. The sentimental value of the ring was enormous. Exactly!

[Anno_Domini]

It's not just the price tag on the ring but the symbol of what the ring meant. It was the same ring that Ben used to engage Aunt May and would be used for Peter to MJ. The sentimental value of the ring was enormous.

This. As I mentioned on the previous page, Peter would have obviously spent most of that battle in trying to secure that ring, because it's so precious. Any other ring that would've been loads of money, I can't assume that Peter would have spent the time in trying to keep that safe while Harry was trying to kill him. I think it's the real value of the ring of why Peter was trying to hold unto it, not the money value.

True, lol.

Either way, I LOVED the scene.

The battle definitely has its flaws, especially with Peter unaware that Harry was coming for him, but I prefer that rather than the mansion fight.

[UltimateWebhead]

I loved the Spider-Man 2 trailer :up:

And it makes me sick how it's become popular to hate on the Raimi films, when just a few years ago Spidey 2 was always in the listing of best comic book films.

Personally, I think it was the first GREAT comic book film, as in, outstanding.

X2 came close but Spidey 2 really showed just how much you could do with the genre.

I can't speak for everyone else but IMO, SM2 is still the best CBM made. I cherish that film. SM1 still holds up as a great origin story. I have my personal nitpicks here and there but Raimi did an excellent job and deserves whatever credit comes his way. I am definitely not 'hating' on either one.

SM3...well, that's a different story :cwink:

[Anno_Domini]

I still think Spider-Man has aged very much, and it's very hard for me to sit down and go through the entire film.

Most of the credit towards Sam Raimi comes from Spider-Man 2, imo. That film had much heart and soul and really showed. The first film was a cluster of having an origin and bringing in Green Goblin's story which shouldn't have been, and Spider-Man 3, well...as much as Sony is to blame, Sam Raimi was one of the writers and did direct the film.

[hopefuldreamer]

I still think Spider-Man has aged very much, and it's very hard for me to sit down and go through the entire film.


Yeah I agree with this.

I mean, I freaking loved the movies when they first came out. But I was 14... so I guess that makes sense, because when I try and sit through them now, they just feel a bit cheesy, full of cliched dialogue and awkward acting and this sort of cartoony quality that worked really really well at that age, but just doesn't sit so well with me now i've grown up.

I still love watching specific scenes. Like the final battle between Spidey and Goblin in SM1. The train fight scene in SM2. Harry vs Peter in SM3. Peter saving the kid from the fire in SM2. Goblin luring Spidey into a burning building in SM1 and that slow mo shot of Spidey doging the pumpkin bombs. Peter in his first costume chasing down Uncle Ben's killer and confronting him in SM1. Spidey with his mask off saving Mary Jane from being crushed in SM2.

But a lot of the actual plot stuff just seems kind of silly now, and I was never a fan of the overly mushy romantic stuff. Like Peter's speech to MJ in the hospital in SM1, him reciting poetry to her in SM2... stuff like that always put me off.

They'll always be special to me though :)

[Venom75]

Has anyone's opinions about the films changed over the years? For me,I loved Spider-man 3 when it first came out. Now...not so much,at least not like I used to. I mean,I still like the film alot,but all the flaws just stick out like a sore thumb. I still think it gets too much hate,but I can certainly understand why some people hate it with a passion.

[Anno_Domini]

Still only like Spider-Man and I think it's mediocre even though before I loved it.

Still love Spider-Man 2 and it still feels like perfection.

Still hate Spider-Man 3 and always have. It's a tragedy of a film.

[A Necessary Evil]

why some people hate it with a passion.

I understand not liking a movie, but...when it comes to hating a movie, there has to be some seriously extreme circumstances. I totally see why people didn't like SM3, but hating it, I've always found to be a little hyperbolic.

[hopefuldreamer]

Has anyone's opinions about the films changed over the years? For me,I loved Spider-man 3 when it first came out. Now...not so much,at least not like I used to. I mean,I still like the film alot,but all the flaws just stick out like a sore thumb. I still think it gets too much hate,but I can certainly understand why some people hate it with a passion.

Hated Spiderman 3 from the second I left the cinema. I hate it even more now.

The other two, like I said, i've just kind of grown out of because they seem more suited to my teenage years. But they were great at the time, and there are some scenes that I still really enjoy watching.

I understand not liking a movie, but...when it comes to hating a movie, there has to be some seriously extreme circumstances. I totally see why people didn't like SM3, but hating it, I've always found to be a little hyperbolic.

It's all about how much you cared about venom's portrayal for me.

There's a lot of other stuff wrong with the movie too, but I wouldn't have hated it for any of that. But venom/the symbiote is my second favourite villain of all time. And it just never should have been in Raimi's style of films, because that story deserves to be handled seriously. Not Peter dancing down the street poiting at women. Not Peter dancing in a club, wearing an emo haircut and some eye liner. Not a completely and utterly unmemorable Eddie Brock who was terrible under developed and a venom who I honestly did not find in the least bit scary.

They completely destroyed everything that was good about the character for me. I just can't forgive the film for that :(

The only bit of SM3 I really liked was the Harry/Peter stuff. That had been ongoing since film one, and I loved their fight scenes and Harry's eventual sacrifice.

[roach]

The audience and I that saw the midnight showing of SM3 enjoyed the movie. I became disappointed with the reactions to the film. I understand why people didn't like it but I do believe some people overreact their dislike of the film.

[webhead731]

I'll admit Venom wasn't NEARLY as good as he should have been. Raimi could have done some scary **** with him. Especially the MJ kidnap scene. He could have been horrifying.
That being said, I loved the way he looked. I really do. I liked him in the movie but he needed to be in it more. He served a purpose, but died too soon.

[Anno_Domini]

To me, it's much more than just Venom. Venom deserved more and deserved to be much more intimidating as well as menacing, but the symbiote should've been more than just making Peter a total goofball and Sandman's storyline should've felt complete in the story without leaving strands open and should NOT have caused a retcon with Uncle Ben's death. And Harry Osborn? FOR the most part, his storyline was okay, but I think he should've received more time as a ruthless villain instead of breaking up a couple like he's back in high school.

And aside from the villains, Mary Jane should've been less whiney. Captain Stacy should've seemed like he had a daughter and Gwen Stacy felt too much like MJ in the comics.

Aunt May was alright, although her speech about poison and what not was much more captivating than her boring speech about Ben proposing to her. But, I have nothing to say about J. Jonah Jameson. Throughout all three films, J.K. Simmons was the man.

So, when I say I hate the film...it's not me overreacting; I feel that the film was a letdown in many aspects, especially coming from a sequel to Spider-Man 2. Sony messed up, but so did Raimi for being the director and one of the writers.

[A Necessary Evil]

It's all about how much you cared about venom's portrayal for me.

There's a lot of other stuff wrong with the movie too, but I wouldn't have hated it for any of that. But venom/the symbiote is my second favourite villain of all time. And it just never should have been in Raimi's style of films, because that story deserves to be handled seriously. Not Peter dancing down the street poiting at women. Not Peter dancing in a club, wearing an emo haircut and some eye liner. Not a completely and utterly unmemorable Eddie Brock who was terrible under developed and a venom who I honestly did not find in the least bit scary.

They completely destroyed everything that was good about the character for me. I just can't forgive the film for that :(

The only bit of SM3 I really liked was the Harry/Peter stuff. That had been ongoing since film one, and I loved their fight scenes and Harry's eventual sacrifice.

Venom's portrayal was pretty close to his original, and yes he's a terrible character in the movie...but also in the comics as well. :cwink:

[Gunga Diner]

Still only like Spider-Man and I think it's mediocre even though before I loved it.

Still love Spider-Man 2 and it still feels like perfection.

Still hate Spider-Man 3 and always have. It's a tragedy of a film.

I don't know that I "hate" the 3rd movie but it's a confusing, dissapointing mess.

I love the first movie, warts and all. It's occasionally super-goofy and cheesy, but it's still a damn good movie and was the thing that got me into Spider-Man and comics at large. This was a movie that changed my life.

The second one is just about perfect.

I'm still not quite ready to talk about the third movie. My feelings are too strong and too all over the place.

But I do have a question about the second movie. Why was there a scene where everything had to come to a grinding halt so that a Russian girl could silently watch Peter eat cake?

[TheSlag]

But I do have a question about the second movie. Why was there a scene where everything had to come to a grinding halt so that a Russian girl could silently watch Peter eat cake?

Good question, I never understood that scene either.

*Thanks for the clarification Anno*

[Anno_Domini]

He's talking about the second film when the girl gave Peter a piece of cake.

[Spider-Aziz]

He's talking about the second film when the girl gave Peter a piece of cake.
I read this line and thought of a little girl before remembering Ursula

[henzINNIT]

Honestly a lot of my top 5 moments would come from the third film. There's so many things I love in it, even if it does have problems as a whole.

I went ahead and bought the novelisation to see how it differs. Will be a fun experiment.

But I do have a question about the second movie. Why was there a scene where everything had to come to a grinding halt so that a Russian girl could silently watch Peter eat cake?

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I think it was supposed to be a moment of human kindness. Peter was overwhelmed by every aspect of his life and was being dumped on by everyone. There needed to be some rest in his life, some small reward for being a nice person and I think the scene fulfilled that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still love S-M3 overall. The first 2 films were perfection, and while the 3rd film is my least favorite, I still love it.

[SpideyFan866]

I still love S-M3 overall. The first 2 films were perfection, and while the 3rd film is my least favorite, I still love it.

Agreed 100%. SM3 had alot of flaws but overall I feel it was a good conclusion to the series.

Of course I would have liked maybe another film or two but as a conclusion to the films, its not as bad as people say. SM3 was the only Raimi film I walked out of feeling like there was a definite conclusion. SM1 and 2 had endings that set up more. SM3 had and ending that was definite and said "this is the end".

[SpideyFan866]

BTW was I the only person who knida wanted Peter to get with Ursula?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still wish we had a S-M4, lol.

[hopefuldreamer]

Venom's portrayal was pretty close to his original, and yes he's a terrible character in the movie...but also in the comics as well. :cwink:

Obviously, I disagree :rolleyes:

[SpideyFan866]

I still wish we had a S-M4, lol.

Me too actually. I'd love to see them make a one off, just to conclude it.

I'd even be fine if they continued with Novelizations.

[SpideyFan866]

Obviously, I disagree :rolleyes:

I disagree too. Venom has always been great character.

[Spider-Aziz]

I still love S-M3 overall. The first 2 films were perfection, and while the 3rd film is my least favorite, I still love it.I can't find perfection in any movie, but in story the earlier two are better than the third, I admit that and I favor the third movie to the other two

I disagree too. Venom has always been great character.His origin is kinda bad, if Venom was to blame Spider-Man cause the symbiote confused Eddie and it never had the emotion of sympathy, I'd buy it

[Anno_Domini]

I read this line and thought of a little girl before remembering Ursula

And your comment made you sound pervy, lol.

And Ursula! That was her name, haha. It's been a while since I saw S-M 2 if you can tell, haha.

I went ahead and bought the novelisation to see how it differs. Will be a fun experiment.

If you like Spider-Man 3, then I'd advise you not to read the novelization because it becomes the superior source than the actual film.

I still wish we had a S-M4, lol.

I wish there were many things done differently, lol, but I'm glad we have the reboot, imo. About time we finally see the Lizard :woot:

[Spider-Aziz]

And your comment made you sound pervy, lol.Perv....? I don't feel it

And Ursula! That was her name, haha. It's been a while since I saw S-M 2 if you can tell, haha.Didn't plan to watch the movie a few days back?

If you like Spider-Man 3, then I'd advise you not to read the novelization because it becomes the superior source than the actual film.That's not something to give me as a recommendation, I preferred Spider-Friends to the 90s cartoon for years

[Anno_Domini]

Perv....? I don't feel it

You immediately thought of a little girl, lol.

Didn't plan to watch the movie a few days back?

Yah, I did, but things happened. Last time I actually sat down to watch a movie was in December. I've been busy.

That's not something to give me as a recommendation, I preferred Spider-Friends to the 90s cartoon for years

But those are just cartoons. Spider-Man 3's novelization actually feels complete on so many accounts and actually tells better sceneries than what was in the film itself.

[Spider-Aziz]

You immediately thought of a little girl, lol.It made it feel like the little girl is generous, nothing pervy, lol

Yah, I did, but things happened. Last time I actually sat down to watch a movie was in December. I've been busy.I understand

But those are just cartoons. Spider-Man 3's novelization actually feels complete on so many accounts and actually tells better sceneries than what was in the film itself.Still, I stayed years in a trance believing something incredibly stupid superior to something with far greater storytelling, though the better has some quirks

[The Joker]

I disagree too. Venom has always been great character.

What's so great about him?

[Anno_Domini]

I can't really name anything that he's done better than the likes of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, but I do like Venom just because. No real reason, but I've always been fascinated about the villain, with the symbiote copying Spidey's powers. I just only wish someone could really think of a magnificent reason for Eddie to have real hatred over Spidey and/or Peter, which we've never seen.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've always loved Venom even though he was never on par with Green Goblin or Doc Ock.

[Brain Damage]

Venom is fun in limited doses.
He's great because he terrorizes spidey and is complete **** about it.
He toys around with him and makes him suffer psychologically because he knows he has the upper hand. He's sort of like Bane.
Both characters can be extremely effective when they're written well, but unfortunately they're often just thrown in to boost sales and done poorly.
Venom being an anti-hero and having his own book was a big ****ing mistake.

[Anno_Domini]

And Nolan seemed to have finally figure out Bane's potential in a film, whereas Raimi did not.

ALTHOUGH, Doc Ock is much more of a physical threat than Venom has ever been, imo, I think Venom could have beated Spidey to a pulp if Spider-Man 3 actually went there, but they didn't.

Venom also, imo, doesn't belong in his own film and I definitely think another villain can fit in there, mostly when Spidey is wearing the symbiote, and Venom is definitely better off in just one act because whenever those two butt heads, I think only one battle would be enough.

[The Joker]

Venom is nothing but a glorified stalker with a chip on his shoulder. His reasons for hating Spidey are piss weak, too. Raimi echos my sentiments on Venom perfectly:

I had never read Venom in the comic books, since they came after my time. Because of that, I didn't have a natural inclination toward him. And when I read those comics, at [producer] Avi Arad's urging, I didn't understand where Venom's humanity was. I know that kids think he looks cool, and they think he's a good villain for Spider-Man. I actually didn't. What was it about Peter's own makeup that this villain represented some weaker or darker side to? Just looking like a dark version of him is not enough for me. The more I read [Venom stories], the less interested I became.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20037557,00.html

[Anno_Domini]

The silly thing about this is that Raimi destroyed a villain from "his time", lol.

[Venom'sDad]

Venom is nothing but a glorified stalker with a chip on his shoulder. His reasons for hating Spidey are piss weak, too. Raimi echos my sentiments on Venom perfectly:

I had never read Venom in the comic books, since they came after my time. Because of that, I didn't have a natural inclination toward him. And when I read those comics, at [producer] Avi Arad's urging, I didn't understand where Venom's humanity was. I know that kids think he looks cool, and they think he's a good villain for Spider-Man. I actually didn't. What was it about Peter's own makeup that this villain represented some weaker or darker side to? Just looking like a dark version of him is not enough for me. The more I read [Venom stories], the less interested I became.


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20037557,00.html

I have said it time and time again....this is why the character of Eddie Brock, the Symbiote, and Venom, all need to be re-invented. Any incarnation of these characters, be it, separate individuals or as a whole, needs to stay FAR AWAY from what was done in the comics, all versions in animation, and by far, what was done on the silver screen. Completely get away from all that mess and re-invent the character....if they don't, it will always end as a disappointment.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom is nothing but a glorified stalker with a chip on his shoulder. His reasons for hating Spidey are piss weak, too. Raimi echos my sentiments on Venom perfectly:



http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20037557,00.html I LOVE Venom, but I always felt this statement was true.

[Venom75]

I think that Venom is an awesome character with a great and original origin,but he has obviously been mishandled from the time McFarlene left Spider-man. But obviously,his horrible treatment in Spider-man 3 is the main reason I dislike the film,that and the treatment of the symbiote storyline. But the one thing that I've really grown to hate over the years is Mary Jane. Her character in Spider-man 3(and most of the series,you could say)was utterly horrible. She was whiney,selfish and always making seeming stupid decisions. Of course,Raimi mishandled Harry's character arc and I hate the whole "Sandman was Ben's killer," angle they tried as well.
But,I do find Spider-man 3 to be the most fun and entertaining of the films. I'm still obsessed with the film. And there are certainly some things I love about the movie.
I love all the films and they will always remain special to me. Hell,I still consider Spider-man 2 the best comic book film ever,but I echo alot of people's thoughts about the series now. It does look rather cheesy and corny by today's standards,but that's Raimi's style too,I suppose.

[Brain Damage]

Spider-Man 3's main problem was that it tried to replicate what made Spidey 2 so great but failed.

The sympathetic villain, the strain on Pete and MJ's relationship, the sacrifice at the end, etc etc

What really bugs me in 3 is that Peter and MJ are transformed into characters who any sane person would tell you should absolutely not be together. And that sucks.

[A Necessary Evil]

I disagree too. Venom has always been great character.

What exactly has he done that makes him great? By the way, No, looking cool does not count.

[Spider-Aziz]

What's so great about him?
His TSSM animated story, good tension
And his appearance in the first PS1 game, glorious

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom hasn't left an impact on Peter's life as much as the Green Goblin or Doc Ock did.

[The Joker]

His TSSM animated story, good tension

Anyone who learns Spider-Man's identity can create tension.

And his appearance in the first PS1 game, glorious

As much as I love the game, Venom is the weakest character in it. Spider-Man is framed for robbery, and Venom's response to thinking Spider-Man is guilty is to kidnap MJ and run Spider-Man through a gauntlet in the sewers.

Yeesh!

Venom hasn't left an impact on Peter's life as much as the Green Goblin or Doc Ock did.

Over 20 years later since he's first shown up, I think it's safe to say he never will.

[SpideyFan866]

Venom hasn't left an impact on Peter's life as much as the Green Goblin or Doc Ock did.

What has Doc Ock done to leave a mark on Peter's life?

[hopefuldreamer]

What's so great about him?

What exactly has he done that makes him great? By the way, No, looking cool does not count.

Okay, I'll take this question, since he is very much my second favourite villain of all time.

However, my appreciation for him comes from a limited knowledge of the character in terms of the comics.

I just love what I have seen of him in the 90's Spiderman cartoon and The Spectacular Spiderman series.

When I was a kid and I watched the 90's cartoon, the idea of a villain who had been inside your head, knew your every intimate thought, was terrifying to me. Yes, he looks terrifying too, which certainly adds to that. But THAT's the main reason why he's one of my faves. There are so many ways he can mess with Pete because of how intimately he knows him. And I don't just mean knowing his identity, though that is a great advantage he has (as well as being immune to spider sense).

There were scenes in both that cartoon and in TSS in which you actually get to see a visualisation of the battle between Peter's consciousness and the symbiote's. I would LOVE to see that psychological struggle for control over his body and will handled properly on the big screen.

I mean, you saw the physical struggle of pulling the symbiot off him in the bell tower, but I mean the struggle of having two minds in one body and what that would do to you.

And it's NOT a struggle against dancing swavely in jazz clubs or wearing eye liner. Or a struggle to stop arrogantly strutting down the street attracting female attention while pointing your fingers at them. I cannot stress that enough!

It's a struggle against a murderous nature, a struggle against being inhabited by a creature of pure evil, the sense of power, the way it's consciousness would start to mingle with your mind and twist your thoughts. Something I felt they barely touched on in the film IMO. They just didn't have the time with Sandman and Harry's plots taking over. (And that's not a knock on Raimi per say. Like I said, I will always love the first two films for what they were).

Then, once he's inhabited another human, no matter who it is, he's a creature of that nature who now has a reason to hold a grudge... Peter fought him for control of that body, the best and strongest body he would probably find on earth, and he WON. He beat him. He rejected him.

In TSS, Eddie Brock's character was introduced long before the symbiote arrived and his backstory with Pete made for a character you really respected and cared about. Which made his eventual hatred of Pete and connection with the symbiote even more powerful.

In SM3, they were just simple rivals... There was no friendship beforehand to strike any kind of emotional nerve. I didn't care about Eddie Brock one bit because he was kind of unlikeable from the start.

Anyway, I hope that explains why I think Venom is a great villain, and why his misuse is the reason I don't like SM3 even though I'd loved the previous two films :)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Has anyone's opinions about the films changed over the years? For me,I loved Spider-man 3 when it first came out. Now...not so much,at least not like I used to. I mean,I still like the film alot,but all the flaws just stick out like a sore thumb. I still think it gets too much hate,but I can certainly understand why some people hate it with a passion.

If anything my opinion of the movies have gone up, I dont agree at all with these people who say the movies havent aged well because we were all teenagers when they came out. I am 29 now and I still love them. I watched the first movie again recently and still loved it. Funnily enough when I first saw I was a teenager and didnt enjoy it. Irony huh!

[The Joker]

What has Doc Ock done to leave a mark on Peter's life?

Death of Captain Stacy, Bennett Brant, saved Peter's life in the Clone Saga from a lethal virus just so he could have the pleasure of killing Spidey in his prime, and put Black Cat in hospital on a life support machine.

[zeptron]

His TSSM animated story, good tension


I honestly feel this is the best Venom adaptation. Whereas any other version just chased Peter around, this version actually used the info he had and came pretty close accomplishing his goal.

But yeah, I like Venom, but people tend to overrate him. Carnage also. It's understandable saying Venom is one of the top Spidey villains, but Carnage? No just no. I honestly think most people judge him on style rather than substance.

Death of Captain Stacy, Bennett Brant, saved Peter's life in the Clone Saga from a lethal virus just so he could have the pleasure of killing Spidey in his prime, and put Black Cat in hospital on a life support machine.

Plus he handed Spidey his first defeat which humbled him and made him re-think his approach to crime fighting. And he also created the Sinister Six, bringing about one of THE toughest physical challenges Spidey has had to date.

[SpideyFan866]

Death of Captain Stacy, Bennett Brant, saved Peter's life in the Clone Saga from a lethal virus just so he could have the pleasure of killing Spidey in his prime, and put Black Cat in hospital on a life support machine.

Ok but I still don't think its fair to say Venom and the black suit had absolutely no affect on Peter's life what so ever.

[Spider-Aziz]

Venom hasn't left an impact on Peter's life as much as the Green Goblin or Doc Ock did.:up:

Anyone who learns Spider-Man's identity can create tension.Not someone like Walrus

As much as I love the game, Venom is the weakest character in it. Spider-Man is framed for robbery, and Venom's response to thinking Spider-Man is guilty is to kidnap MJ and run Spider-Man through a gauntlet in the sewers.

Yeesh!He role is funny, still good for laughs

Death of Captain Stacy, Bennett Brant, saved Peter's life in the Clone Saga from a lethal virus just so he could have the pleasure of killing Spidey in his prime, and put Black Cat in hospital on a life support machine.And getting close to May, making her believe he's the gentleman he isn't

[Brain Damage]

:up:

He role is funny, still good for laughs



"Where'd Spider-Wuss go? Spider-Wuuuusss, come out and play!"
"TAG!"

:woot:

ahh, the memories.

[UltimateWebhead]

I still wish we had a S-M4, lol.

In a way, Yes, I did feel that way. I wanted Raimi and co. to have a shot to redeem themselves from the disaster known as SM3. However, I am way past that at this point and I am only looking forward to TASM.

[The Joker]

Plus he handed Spidey his first defeat which humbled him and made him re-think his approach to crime fighting. And he also created the Sinister Six, bringing about one of THE toughest physical challenges Spidey has had to date.

Indeed. Lets also not forget The Master Planner saga, which contains one of the most famous and iconic moments in Spidey lore:

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man033.jpg


Something they brilliantly recreated in the SSM cartoon:

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/specwebs17.jpg

Ok but I still don't think its fair to say Venom and the black suit had absolutely no affect on Peter's life what so ever.

No significant effect. I mean when all is said and done, if Venom never existed in Spider-Man's life what would be different for him, apart from a string of symbiote knock offs not being around.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Death of Captain Stacy, Bennett Brant, saved Peter's life in the Clone Saga from a lethal virus just so he could have the pleasure of killing Spidey in his prime, and put Black Cat in hospital on a life support machine. This. :up:

And, as Joker said, the Master Planner arc.

[Spider-Aziz]

Indeed. Lets also not forget The Master Planner saga, which contains one of the most famous and iconic moments in Spidey lore:

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man033.jpg


Something they brilliantly recreated in the SSM cartoon:

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/specwebs17.jpg



No significant effect. I mean when all is said and done, if Venom never existed in Spider-Man's life what would be different for him, apart from a string of symbiote knock offs not being around.
I love how this scene was adapted to Batman Beyond

[A Necessary Evil]

Indeed. Lets also not forget The Master Planner saga, which contains one of the most famous and iconic moments in Spidey lore:
No significant effect. I mean when all is said and done, if Venom never existed
in Spider-Man's life what would be different for him, apart from a string of symbiote knock offs not being around.

You suck. I was totally just about to post this. :csad:

I love how this scene was adapted to Batman Beyond

waahhhtttt

[Anno_Domini]

What has Doc Ock done to leave a mark on Peter's life?

What has Venom ever done?

I can't remember a damn thing. Even if I'm a fan of Venom, he hasn't done anything compared to GG and Ock.

[A Necessary Evil]

:up: to that!

[webhead731]

What has Venom ever done?

I can't remember a damn thing. Even if I'm a fan of Venom, he hasn't done anything compared to GG and Ock.

He's committed copy right infringement.

[A Necessary Evil]

"You know I can sue you for that, right?"


SM3, the game.

[Spider-Aziz]

waahhhttttHe's under similar shaped machinery, left it up the same way, without the dramatic impact, it falls on him and he lefts it up
It's from the episode "Heroes", guest starring the Fantastic Four as an "Ultra Three" or something

Someone needs to publish a video showing how they snuck Spider-Man into DC's Timm-verse
He's committed copy right infringement.Yes

"You know I can sue you for that, right?"


SM3, the game.PS2/Wii/PSP version
He says something similar in the GBA version as well

[henzINNIT]

I still wish we had a S-M4, lol.

Me too, and while I thought the Vulture was cool enough, the reboot trailer made me pine extra hard for Raimi's Lizard.

[Elevator Man]

Anybody remember this? I do. Hard to believe this commercial ( and film for that matter) is going to be 10 yrs old. It got me even more pumped than I already was to see the movie. Spidey was making his name in Hollywood.

PD9tM0M-kH0

I like the use of Elfman's music. I also like that last shot of Spidey getting his burger. I wonder if Raimi shot that or not ?

[Godzilla2014]

Venom is fun in limited doses.
He's great because he terrorizes spidey and is complete **** about it.
He toys around with him and makes him suffer psychologically because he knows he has the upper hand. He's sort of like Bane.
Both characters can be extremely effective when they're written well, but unfortunately they're often just thrown in to boost sales and done poorly.
Venom being an anti-hero and having his own book was a big ****ing mistake.

I agree.

[Spider-ManHero12]

What has Venom ever done?

I can't remember a damn thing. Even if I'm a fan of Venom, he hasn't done anything compared to GG and Ock. Agreed.

[Spider-Aziz]

Anybody remember this? I do. Hard to believe this commercial ( and film for that matter) is going to be 10 yrs old. It got me even more pumped than I already was to see the movie. Spidey was making his name in Hollywood.

PD9tM0M-kH0

I like the use of Elfman's music. I also like that last shot of Spidey getting his burger. I wonder if Raimi shot that or not ?
I don't remember it, but I agree with eeverything you said now that I saw this

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anybody remember this? I do. Hard to believe this commercial ( and film for that matter) is going to be 10 yrs old. It got me even more pumped than I already was to see the movie. Spidey was making his name in Hollywood.

PD9tM0M-kH0

I like the use of Elfman's music. I also like that last shot of Spidey getting his burger. I wonder if Raimi shot that or not ? Agreed completely!

[Spider-Aziz]

I love how this scene was adapted to Batman Beyondwaahhhtttt
PV2JRadiN80

[Spider-ManHero12]

Huh, lol?

[Troy_Parker]

The bit where the tower collapses on Spidey and Spidey gets trapped, then he manages to lift it. He's talking about a scene in Batman Beyond that was homage to that. I don't even remember seeing that in BB, it's very cool. :up:

[SpideyFan866]

I don't know about anyone else, but I still can't watch the fir 2 Spider-Man movies without a smile on my face.

I love those movies.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Still the best superhero films ever, IMO.

[Venom75]

Still the best superhero films ever, IMO.

I agree. Then again,I'm biased. :spidey: :cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

:spidey:

[SpideyFan866]

Still the best superhero films ever, IMO.

Agreed.

[webhead731]

I can hardly tell which film is my favorite. When I'm watching any of them I'll think "okay, it's this one" but as soon as I watch another one I change my mind.

If I had to choose I'd say the first, simply because it started it and I was so psyched for it and it was the first big Spider-Man movie.

[Spider-Aziz]

I can hardly tell which film is my favorite. When I'm watching any of them I'll think "okay, it's this one" but as soon as I watch another one I change my mind.

If I had to choose I'd say the first, simply because it started it and I was so psyched for it and it was the first big Spider-Man movie.
Admire the way you view the films :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I can hardly tell which film is my favorite. When I'm watching any of them I'll think "okay, it's this one" but as soon as I watch another one I change my mind.

If I had to choose I'd say the first, simply because it started it and I was so psyched for it and it was the first big Spider-Man movie. Great way to look at it. :up:

If i had to absoloutely choose it would be the second.

[UltimateWebhead]

Great way to look at it. :up:

If i had to absoloutely choose it would be the second.

That's cause the 2nd is the best :woot:

[Troy_Parker]

Spider-Man 2 is not just the best Spider-Man movie, but it's easily one of the best superhero movies ever, tbh. I loved how perfectly the struggle in Peter's life was portrayed in that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I love them all equally. S-M2 (2004) is perfection overall, IMO.

One of the many reasons I still hold the Spider-Man trilogy above all other comic book movies.

[socool]

I think you guys will really enjoy this. I know I do.

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/043/2/4/spider_man_no_more_by_mista_m-d4pgpzb.jpg

[Troy_Parker]

That's awesome. :up:

Would be better without the outline around Peter though.

[SpideyFan866]

I love them all equally. S-M2 (2004) is perfection overall, IMO.

One of the many reasons I still hold the Spider-Man trilogy above all other comic book movies.

Agreed. SM2 has yet to be beaten as the best CBM of all time, IMO.

[Anno_Domini]

That's so lovely that my comment has been deleted, and I didn't even say anything bad.....

ANYWAYS.....last night, I mentioned that Spider-Man 2 is the best of the trilogy and with all due respect to the first film and as one of three CBMs that really brought that genre back to "Hollywood", it was only just an origin film, but not a good one at that. Spider-Man 2 is the superior, but also falls behind The Dark Knight and Watchmen in my list.

[A Necessary Evil]

I truly, truly think watchmen was a god-awful movie.

[Anno_Domini]

I love Watchmen more than the actual novel as I prefer the film's ending. It's only a spectacle when you watch the unedited version with Black Freighter.

Many people didn't like the film who were my friends, but I've gotten them to love the movie as much as I do and I'm proud of that achievement :up:

[Spider-Aziz]

I think you guys will really enjoy this. I know I do.

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/043/2/4/spider_man_no_more_by_mista_m-d4pgpzb.jpgIt rocks

I truly, truly think watchmen was a god-awful movie.It's an ok movie, only issue I have with it is porn, I hate that stuff

[Anno_Domini]

Seeing a boob won't be the end of you, haha.

Granted, it would've been fine without the sex scene, but it's only a minute scene in terms of the 2 and a half hour or so film.

[Spider-Aziz]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

[Anno_Domini]

I don't even keep those scenes in mind when I watch the film.

I mean, all of that wasn't as unpleasant as Mary Jane's fake nipples in the rain in Spider-Man.

[Troy_Parker]

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

Urm...

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think you guys will really enjoy this. I know I do.

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/043/2/4/spider_man_no_more_by_mista_m-d4pgpzb.jpg Fantastic!

[webhead731]

I hated Watchmen. I felt like it was trying to be dark and serious but then they'd do something outrageous and silly and I was like "okay...:dry:" and Zack Snyder pisses me off with his over-use of slow motion effects.

Rorschach was the BEST thing in that movie. I loved him, since he was a badass. I wish the whole thing was just about him.

[SpideyFan866]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

:dry:.

Awkward comment is awkward.

[The Joker]

I think you guys will really enjoy this. I know I do.

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/043/2/4/spider_man_no_more_by_mista_m-d4pgpzb.jpg

That's fantastic :up:

[Brain Damage]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

http://i41.tinypic.com/ve52rs.gif

[roach]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

wait what???

[Anno_Domini]

I hated Watchmen. I felt like it was trying to be dark and serious but then they'd do something outrageous and silly and I was like "okay...:dry:" and Zack Snyder pisses me off with his over-use of slow motion effects.

Rorschach was the BEST thing in that movie. I loved him, since he was a badass. I wish the whole thing was just about him.

What was so outrageous and silly about the film? It played a very thin line with dark and some humor, but in no where did it feel just outrageous and silly.

I love Zack Snyder's films; sure, he's not a very intelligent director with his movies, mostly because he has never made a very smart film and Man of Steel could change that, but I have always loved his films, from Dawn of the Dead to Sucker Punch.

And Rorschach was a great character, but just as with the novel, he was only one of many amazing characters and to me, the film showed it. To have a whole film just of him would be ridiculous, imo.

BTW and off topic, I hate the idea of a 'Watchmen Before' prequel. I'm with Alan Moore on that stance.

http://i41.tinypic.com/ve52rs.gif

This deserves the best reply to Spider-Aziz so far :funny:

[UltimateWebhead]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

I think the fact that you misspelled Boobs on purpose and used the word intercourse, pretty much sealed your fate.

[roach]

i think the multibillion dollar porn industry would disagree with him

[Troy_Parker]

I think most males would disagree with him.

inb4 ****storm

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought Watchmen was good, but it's not one of my favorite CBM's.

[socool]

I hated Watchmen. I felt like it was trying to be dark and serious but then they'd do something outrageous and silly and I was like "okay...:dry:" and Zack Snyder pisses me off with his over-use of slow motion effects.

Rorschach was the BEST thing in that movie. I loved him, since he was a badass. I wish the whole thing was just about him.

Guess you don't wanna read the graphic novel...

[Anno_Domini]

I thought Watchmen was good, but it's not one of my favorite CBM's.

:argh:

Lol

Guess you don't wanna read the graphic novel...

Hahaha. This :up:

[Anno_Domini]

I think most males would disagree with him.

inb4 ****storm

I'm not a fan of porn, lol, but still....seeing a sex scene isn't awful.

[Spider-ManHero12]

lol

[SpideyFan866]

There is more than one scene like that, it's painful to watch Niteowl's arse :dry:

Bewbs are cool, intercourse is not pleasant to look at

I don't even keep those scenes in mind when I watch the film.

I mean, all of that wasn't as unpleasant as Mary Jane's fake nipples in the rain in Spider-Man.

Urm...

http://i41.tinypic.com/ve52rs.gif

wait what???

I think the fact that you misspelled Boobs on purpose and used the word intercourse, pretty much sealed your fate.

i think the multibillion dollar porn industry would disagree with him

I think most males would disagree with him.

inb4 ****storm

lol


:lmao:

[Spider-Aziz]

@Everyone who responded to that comment: Porn sucks, not pleasant to watch. Plain and simple

[The Morningstar]

Why, exactly, do you find it unpleasant to watch?

[Brain Damage]

I find porn to be rather, what's the word I'm looking for.... erotic?

[hopefuldreamer]

Sure, it's unpleasant to watch... If your mum is in the same room as you...:p

[The Morningstar]

haha booooooom!

[roach]

@Everyone who responded to that comment: Porn sucks, not pleasant to watch. Plain and simple

can I ask what your age is???
just asking because of your stance on tattoos and porn

[Spider-ManHero12]

Both aren't bad.

[Spider-Aziz]

Why, exactly, do you find it unpleasant to watch?It's disgusting to watch, most of them move in some of the ugliest manner. Some go beyond disgusting

Sure, it's unpleasant to watch... If your mum is in the same room as you...:pI was hoping you'd side with me

can I ask what your age is???
just asking because of your stance on tattoos and pornAge doesn't matter

Both aren't bad.Both are very evil

[roach]

just seems like your view on things is a bit...narrow

[SpideyFan866]

It's disgusting to watch, most of them move in some of the ugliest manner. Some go beyond disgusting

I was hoping you'd side with me

Age doesn't matter

Both are very evil

If its any consolation, I side with you (for the most part).


Also, out of curiosity, how do you feel about ass?

[Spider-Aziz]

If its any consolation, I side with you (for the most part).Thank you

Also, out of curiosity, how do you feel about ass?The word is ok
The body part is ok
Looking at one I have nothing to do with handling; I'd rather keep from that

[Troy_Parker]

My name is Troy_Parker, I'm 17 years old and I approve of porn. :up:

inb4 mods

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Lol

[Spider-Aziz]

Hi all
Look at this damn cool picture

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/125/e/9/spider_man___trilogy_posters_by_andrewss7-d3fmdrx.jpg

This is where we discuss what is the best comic book movies trilogy before TDKR, they are fun awesome movies (at least to me, SMH12, Chris Wallace, and a few more)

[roach]

Honestly I live this trilogy better than the Nolan Batman movies

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's an amazing picture! Expresses the mood of each film. :up:

[SpideyFan866]

Macy Gray should appear in TASM.

[SpideyFan866]

My name is Troy_Parker, I'm 17 years old and I approve of porn. :up:

inb4 mods

:dry:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Btw, Spider-Aziz, I still hold the raimi trilogy as #1. Yes, above the Nolan series. I hold a lot of cbm above the Nolan series due to person preference.

[Troy_Parker]

:dry:

What?

[Spider-Aziz]

Btw, Spider-Aziz, I still hold the raimi trilogy as #1. Yes, above the Nolan series. I hold a lot of cbm above the Nolan series due to person preference.
I know you do, I prefer Nolan's Batman movies

[Troy_Parker]

Nolan's Batman trilogy just, JUST beats out Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.

Although Batman Begins and TDK come second to Spider-Man 2.

...It's complicated.

[Anno_Domini]

@Everyone who responded to that comment: Porn sucks, not pleasant to watch. Plain and simple

Porn doesn't suck, and this is coming from someone who doesn't watch it, because it is a way of life for a lot of people. And a sex scene in a movie IS NOT porn....is that why porn was included into this conversation?

Both are very evil

Good grief, man.

Neither are 'evil'. Evil is if any of those killed anyone. Do they? I don't believe so.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/125/e/9/spider_man___trilogy_posters_by_andrewss7-d3fmdrx.jpg


7, 2, 3? Lol.

Honestly I love this trilogy better than the Nolan Batman movies

Btw, Spider-Aziz, I still hold the raimi trilogy as #1. Yes, above the Nolan series. I hold a lot of cbm above the Nolan series due to personal preference.

Did thinking of Raimi's trilogy make you two become too excited to spell? Lol.


I don't need to say anything about the CBMs and what not because my signature says it all for me :up:

Macy Gray should appear in TASM.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! !!!!!!


:woot:

[roach]

no i actually live the trilogy...i am currently creating genetic spiders to bite me and give me powers

[Anno_Domini]

Nolan's Batman trilogy just, JUST beats out Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.

Although Batman Begins and TDK come second to Spider-Man 2.

...It's complicated.

That doesn't sound complicated. Spider-Man 2 is a great film, but Raimi's trilogy doesn't hold a light to BB and TDK just because there is no consistency within Raimi's trilogy that makes it great. It goes from mediocre to great to pathetic with each film and that's not what the consistency of the films should be. TDKR will blow S-M 3 out of the water and forever destroy the third CBM curse.

[roach]

unless TDKR is utter crap

[Anno_Domini]

no i actually live the trilogy...i am currently creating genetic spiders to bite me and give me powers

I'm ****ing jealous now :csad:

[Anno_Domini]

unless TDKR is utter crap

All signs point otherwise. The studio won't interfere, you have the same director, you have the same cast, you have someone that understands who Bane really is. The only thing that would ruin TDKR is if it is taken out of that universe Nolan built, such as making it too "unrealistic". Yes, I know TDK was "out there" in many ways, but if TDKR goes further beyond that, then that might create some criticism.

[UltimateWebhead]

@Everyone who responded to that comment: Porn sucks, not pleasant to watch. Plain and simple

Eh, to each his own I suppose. You don't like it, that's fine. Sometimes though I use porn for research for cool things for my wife and I to do...she's pretty much down for anything :woot:

unless TDKR is utter crap

Possible...but highly unlikely.

[Anno_Domini]

eh, to each his own i suppose. You don't like it, that's fine. Sometimes though i use porn for research for cool things for my wife and i to do...she's pretty much down for anything :woot:

tmi.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Eh, to each his own I suppose. You don't like it, that's fine. Sometimes though I use porn for research for cool things for my wife and I to do...she's pretty much down for anything :woot:
:lmao:

[UltimateWebhead]

tmi.

Really?? It was a pretty general statement with some humor interjected. Sorry if I offended you.

[roach]

highly unlikely sure....remember how we felt leading into SM3

I just have this thing about calling a movie a hit before its seen...CBM fans should know better than that

[A Necessary Evil]

My name is Troy_Parker, I'm 17 years old and I approve of porn. :up:

inb4 mods

I'm 20 and I love it. :o

[UltimateWebhead]

highly unlikely sure....remember how we felt leading into SM3

I just have this thing about calling a movie a hit before its seen...CBM fans should know better than that

No one is ruling out that TDKR will suck. But tell me, what have you seen to prove this? I haven't seen anything.

Nolan has made two very successful films, both critically and by general audiences. There is nothing pointing towards a failure with TDKR and until something comes to light that it will or the movie releases and it turns out to be a dud...I am 100% behind Nolan.

[Anno_Domini]

Really?? It was a pretty general statement with some humor interjected. Sorry if I offended you.

No, I wasn't offended, but....I just never heard someone say that before on the forums, lol.

highly unlikely sure....remember how we felt leading into SM3

I just have this thing about calling a movie a hit before its seen...CBM fans should know better than that

But there was a certain level of concern for Spider-Man 3 as soon as we heard of Sony pushed Venom and the symbiote. There isn't, imo, any level of concern for TDKR except for the complete bashing of Bane.

I'm 20 and I love it. :o

Love it, huh? Lol....

would anyone else want to proclaim they love porn?

[roach]

No one is ruling out that TDKR will suck. But tell me, what have you seen to prove this? I haven't seen anything.

Nolan has made two very successful films, both critically and by general audiences. There is nothing pointing towards a failure with TDKR and until something comes to light that it will or the movie releases and it turns out to be a dud...I am 100% behind Nolan.

I am not saying TDKR will suck...it more than likely won't...I just have this thing about calling a movie a hit before its seen.