The Cage Powered Ghost Rider: SoV Box Office poll!

[Microchip]

Hear ye hear ye! With our movie debuting in theatres everywhere JUST NEXT WEEK, I think it's time we all officially weigh in on how much this bad boy will make!

Now, this is for the ENTIRE DOMESTIC THEATRICAL RUN, so we aren't factoring in DVD sales, or worldwide sales. We can follow the fun on sites like Box Office Mojo. Now vote!

http://watchghostrider2online.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ghost-Rider-Spirit-of-Vengeance.jpg

[BigThor]

I say it will make about 85-90 million, so I voted for $71,000,000-$90,000,000.

[EML420]

I say it will make about 85-90 million, so I voted for $71,000,000-$91,000,000.
I agree that seems about right but who knows maybe the movie could pull in 100 mill :woot: wishfull thinking of course.

[BigThor]

I agree that seems about right but who knows maybe the movie could pull in 100 mill :woot: wishfull thinking of course.

That's what I'm hoping for, anything over 100 million would be great. :woot:

I want Ghost Rider to have an animated series one day and he certainly won't get one with unsuccessful movies.

[Microchip]

I think we'll know how it'll do after the opening weekend. Movies that don't do well critically generally don't have very good legs. Although, I guess it technically COULD still do well on RT... I just don't see it!

[BigThor]

I think we'll know how it'll do after the opening weekend. Movies that don't do well critically generally don't have very good legs. Although, I guess it technically COULD still do well on RT... I just don't see it!

I'm just hoping for 40% or above, this film's directors aren't none for making critically acclaimed movies but I'm ok with that.

[Microchip]

The directors are known for making ridiculous, stupid, over-the-top movies... but sometimes they do end up fresh on RT. If it's above 40% I'd be super happy. If it is somehow fresh, even at 60%, I will learn how to do a backflip and then do one. I'm expecting somewhere between 20 and 30 :(

[Snikt]

N/T's movies have two fresh scores and Gamer has a score of 30 on RT. So maybe we'll get a score in the high 40s or mid 50s

[Midnyte_Sun]

Somebody's gotta vote for 91 Million +

lol

[BigThor]

N/T's movies have two fresh scores and Gamer has a score of 30 on RT. So maybe we'll get a score in the high 40s or mid 50s

Which movies are those?

Somebody's gotta vote for 91 Million +

lol

True

[Microchip]

Which movies are those?



True

Both Cranks are fresh, Gamer is in the 30s I think and although they wrote the terrible, terrible Jonah Hex (which hopefully this movie isn't at all like) they didn't direct it.

[BigThor]

Both Cranks are fresh, Gamer is in the 30s I think and although they wrote the terrible, terrible Jonah Hex (which hopefully this movie isn't at all like) they didn't direct it.

Yeah they wrote it, but it had been through several other writers and they were given the job at the last minute.

[Midnyte_Sun]

I think this movie will resonate with the foreign market more than domestic. On the facebook page, I'd say 90% + of the comments are from non-Americans.

[The Morningstar]

Their original script for Jonah Hex was awesome. It was severely butchered though. WB tried to make Hex into a PG-13 superhero movie set in the wild west. Which is the dumbest thing ever.

I think this will make around 80 million WW.

[AlexanderMoon]

I Guess I'm the less optimistic here but I do think it will do less than Denzel Washington flick the past friday (which did 13,5 M).

I don't have a good feeling for this movie in term of doing big bucks at the box office.

I think it will be some sort of "cult" hit on DVD/Blu Ray only (if the movie is anything as good as Crank).

[The Morningstar]

Yea I think "cult hit" is gonna be what this movie is. It's a B-movie, it won't ever be a big mainstream hit.

[AlexanderMoon]

Also if you're wondering why foreigners are talking a lot about it, it s also because it is getting released in the following countries earlier than in the USA and Canada :

"Country Date
Australia 13th February 2012
Belgium 15th February 2012
France 15th February 2012
Netherlands 16th February 2012
Thailand 16th February 2012"

I do live in France right now so i m ready this Wednesday (and avoiding the "valentine's day movies like the plague).

Not many people talk about it here to be honest, it's like nobody knows it will get released in theaters in 48 hours...

[Microchip]

Ah oui, mais will the movie be en anglais? Or do they generally dub over there? Because no matter what language it starts/finishes in, dubbing sucks. Subtitles are way better.

[Snikt]

Nice new interview on the homepage. Interesting video. I'm really curious as to what the interviewer's thoughts were on the movie.

N/T asked him if he liked the movie and he said, "I kinda did." :D

[Microchip]

Nice new interview on the homepage. Interesting video. I'm really curious as to what the interviewer's thoughts were on the movie.

N/T asked him if he liked the movie and he said, "I kinda did." :D
haha yeah, I saw that. The interviewer also sounded like a huge goof though. Worst laugh ever.

[psylockolussus]

$40 million to $85 million.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Box Office Mojo predictions...

4-Day Weekend Forecast (Feb. 17-20)
1. Ghost Rider 2 - $34.5 million
2. Safe House - $26.1 million (-35%)
3. The Vow - $23.9 million (-42%)
4. Journey 2 - $22.8 million (-17%)
5. This Means War - $19.7 million
-. Arrietty - $6.9 million

Bar for Success
Even though it is arriving five years after a poorly-received original, the Ghost Rider sequel still needs to retain a good portion of the first movie's audience to justify its existence—$40 million for the four-day weekend would be a very healthy start.

So we're hoping for a $40 million start this weekend.

[BigThor]

So we're hoping for a $40 million start this weekend.

That would be great :ghost:

[AlexanderMoon]

Be aware the movie has been totally panned by both critics and moviegoers alike here in Europe...

Not many people went to see it despsite a cold and rainy weather, and it's already considered getting taken out of the few theaters he has been released it.

It's an epic failure here and I totally doubt it will ever get a third chance so enjoy it while it lasts !

As far as I'm concerned, it's the crank of The Ghost Rider Universe.

It's absolutely silly and something cringeworthy (ex : lambert and his tattooed monks are beyond ridiculous and the devil is totally crap looking and acting), but GR acting like he is Scorpion from MK (get over here !) and kicking an awful lot of asses was worth it to me.

Disappointed in his fights with Blackout though, could have been so much more...

Looks and plays more like a Z movie than a B most of the time.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Looks like we aren't going to get that hopeful $40 million opening... and maybe not even Box Office Mojo's predicted $35.

It could be a 2nd or 3rd place debut...

But Sony, which is looking at a 1-2 finish Friday, is cautioning me that the opening gross for its 3D comic book adaptation Ghost Rider: Spirit Of Vengeance “could go higher as the night goes on”. So the order might change by Saturday morning. (But probably not, or so the rest of Hollywood predicts. “Ghost Rider‘s opening will be half of the 2007 original,” a rival studio exec tells me. Snarks another: “Once they started advertising it with Nic Cage, it went downhill.”) This weekend, Universal’s action holdover Safe House is expected to battle Ghost Rider 2 for second place all holiday long.

Ghost Rider: Spirit Of Vengeance 3D (Sony) NEW [3,174 Theaters]
Est Friday $7M, Est 4-day Holiday $25M

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^It only earned an estimated $7 million on Friday, so a $25 million weekend is likely the max its going to make, Dont see it making another $50-60 million to surpass its budget myself.

Looks like this may be the last GR movie for a while.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What a shock, a bad looking movie that was the sequel to a bad film failed to light the boxoffice on fire. (bad joke I know)

Honestly, Sony knew that this movie would only do these numbers, that's why they didn't spend 120mil on it. Nobody was asking for another GhostRider film, at least nobody in America was. It should do 25-27mil for the 4 day holiday weekend and drop like a ton of bricks and end with something that's much lower than the first film.

People overseas don't care how good a movie is as long as it's in 3D so it should do well for what it is.

[Spider-Fan]

The numbers are not shocking. What was the budget for the movie? Probably has steep drops after this weekend, so this may end up the last GR movie, at least in the theater. Maybe direct to DVD sequels could happen, which I could see since this one felt a bit B-movie/Sci-Fi Channel-ish in some ways. Only on acid.

[CaptainCraig]

Budget was a reported $75m.

I was hoping for a $35m+ holiday 4-day...DANG IT!!
I wonder if this can do $60m-ish domestic if overseas can get it over $150m?
That might be one of those cases were again it gets consideration for a sequel.

[Liam_H]

Unless overseas numbers are huge this franchise seems done for the time being.

[Spider-Fan]

I agree. $25 mil opening and likely bad legs on a $75 is not good. It needs serious overseas bank to get theatrical sequel consideration. Limbo or DVD sequels are more likely.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Ghost Rider crashes on Friday:

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance sputtered out of the gate on Friday [debuting] to an estimated $7 million, which is less than half of the first Ghost Rider (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm)'s $15.4 million on the same Friday five years ago. If Spirit of Vengeance follows Ghost Rider's pattern, it could finish in fourth place for the four-day weekend with less than $24 million.

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3372&p=.htm

Yeah, this ain't looking good.

[Mr.T]

The numbers are not shocking. What was the budget for the movie? Probably has steep drops after this weekend, so this may end up the last GR movie, at least in the theater. Maybe direct to DVD sequels could happen, which I could see since this one felt a bit B-movie/Sci-Fi Channel-ish in some ways. Only on acid.

Great description. It did have a B-movie feel to it. Entertaining though...

[CaptainStacy]

Unless overseas numbers are huge this franchise seems done for the time being.

Fine by me. Cage was terribley miscast in this role.

[Raiden]

I think this movie should've been R-rated and go for broke, instead of playing it safe and hope that it would attract families who'd drag their kids to see it. GR could've tried to break the mold of superhero movies, but it just ended up as another weak entry in the genre.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Fine by me. Cage was terribley miscast in this role.That he was and the movies themselves are steaming piles of garbage. Granted, I'm just guessing that the sequel is.

[Microchip]

Box Office Mojo is estimating Ghost Rider is in 3rd for the weekend with 22 million, behind Safe House with 24 and the Vow with 23.6. Nooootttt exactly a good start!

[chamber-music]

Fine by me. Cage was terribley miscast in this role.
It could of been worst Nicolas Cage could of been Superman ;)

[rayc1971]

this franchise is over for awhile! 25 mil opening on a 75mil budget i say it tops out at 55 to 60 domestic!they can try it again down the road with dan ketch maybe! nic cage is too old for johnny blaze hes 47 should be someone between 26 to 30 playing that role!a young star could own that role!

[rogue trooper]

I think this movie should've been R-rated and go for broke, instead of playing it safe and hope that it would attract families who'd drag their kids to see it. GR could've tried to break the mold of superhero movies, but it just ended up as another weak entry in the genre.

A very good point. This is what I admired about Conan The Barbarian(2011). Yes, it tanked, but at least it was an admirable effort because it could've been decided to "lighten it up" to get the "Clash of The Titans"-families, but they did make it brutal R as it should be, despite the somewhat risky budget for an R-rated film.

[BigThor]

Fine by me. Cage was terribley miscast in this role.

I liked Nic Cage's performance in this film, he was one of the best things about the film.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Box Office Mojo's prediction pretty much summed it up. This movie needed at least $35-40 million ''to even justify its existence''.

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance flamed out this weekend with a meek $22 million start at 3,174 locations (2,352 of which showed the movie in 3D). That opening is less than half the three-day start of the original Ghost Rider on the same weekend in 2007 ($45.4 million), which is a nearly unprecedented drop for a sequel.

An abundance of factors contributed to Ghost Rider's decline. While Nicolas Cage has been getting away with the over-the-top shtick for a while now, his star has faded in recent years with an abundance of bizarre and disappointing projects like The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Season of the Witch and Drive Angry. More important than Cage, though, is the fact that audiences probably weren't all that interested in a sequel to Ghost Rider in the first place. The original movie has a 5.2 rating on IMDb, which is atrocious considering fanboy fare usually gets a break on the site.

The nail in the coffin, so to speak, could have been the lengthy time off between the original and the sequel. As odd as this may sound, a good comparison is Happy Feet Two. Both Spirit of Vengeance and Happy Feet Two added 3D and were released exactly five years after their first movies. Happy Feet Two's opening was 51 percent of Happy Feet's, while Spirit of Vengeance's was 49 percent of Ghost Rider's. This seems to indicate that unless you have a monster of a brand (even with four years off, The Dark Knight Rises will probably be in good shape), you really shouldn't wait too long on the sequel.

One bright spot is that the budget for Spirit of Vengeance was just $57 million, or around half of the first movie's $110 million budget (our trusted source at Sony originally reported Ghost Rider 2's budget at $75 million, but said he accidently switched the numbers and sent along the revised figure on Sunday). Regardless, Ghost Rider is an established brand and the movie had a robust marketing effort, so it really should have opened much higher than $22 million.
So looks like this movie is a disappointment all round. The bit about the budget certainly sounds like saving face... He switched the numbers around. Yeah... :up:

[BigThor]

Box Office Mojo's prediction pretty much summed it up. This movie needed at least $35-40 million ''to even justify its existence''.

So looks like this movie is a disappointment all round. The bit about the budget certainly sounds like saving face... He switched the numbers around. Yeah... :up:

Actually the directors said the budget was around 50 million a few months ago, they said it was about the same as the budget for "Gamer" (which was 50 million).

[rayc1971]

Box Office Mojo's prediction pretty much summed it up. This movie needed at least $35-40 million ''to even justify its existence''.

So looks like this movie is a disappointment all round. The bit about the budget certainly sounds like saving face... He switched the numbers around. Yeah... :up:
yeah first the budget was 75mill now its 57mill looks like spin doctoring too me! lookin at the special effects you really believe its only a 57 mill budgeted film!

[rayc1971]

bomb! bring on dan ketch version a couple of years from now!

[GuestStar2004]

did sony intensionally want this movie to fail? im seriously starting to think that

my local cinema is only showing this in 3d and only 3 times a day and thats just after 7pm and only for 1 week then its not being shown anymore :doh:

im incredibly amazed its like there is very little effort to make money here

[BigThor]

yeah first the budget was 75mill now its 57mill looks like spin doctoring too me! lookin at the special effects you really believe its only a 57 mill budgeted film!

I see that people are just going to keep ignoring the fact that the directors said the budget was around 50 million a few months ago?

[enterthemadness]

yeah first the budget was 75mill now its 57mill looks like spin doctoring too me! lookin at the special effects you really believe its only a 57 mill budgeted film!

If it was mostly shot in Eastern Europe, yes....

But the budget is probably 75. Maybe it's now 57 with tax breaks and what not added in? I'll see this one on the base for 3 bucks. Or maybe in the theater in town. Dunno yet. Looks kinda cool.

[BigThor]

Yep it's official, people are going to keep ignoring it.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yep it's official, people are going to keep ignoring it.

Link me up to where the two guys said it... I can't find it.

[BigThor]

Link me up to where the two guys said it... I can't find it.

“The reports of the budget of Ghost Rider have been greatly exaggerated. It’s about the same as [Gamer]. We didn’t have a lot of money to make this film…but we’re pretty creative. It’s gonna look ****in’ huge.” - March 19th 2011

Full interview - http://collider.com/brian-taylor-ghost-rider-2-spirit-of-vengeance-news/81402/

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

“The reports of the budget of Ghost Rider have been greatly exaggerated. It’s about the same as [Gamer]. We didn’t have a lot of money to make this film…but we’re pretty creative. It’s gonna look ****in’ huge.” - March 19th 2011

Full interview - http://collider.com/brian-taylor-ghost-rider-2-spirit-of-vengeance-news/81402/

:up:

Did this thing even have a premiere?

[BigThor]

Lol, I highly doubt it.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Sony's attitude to this has been telling... toss it out there and scrape as much money in as they can.

Domestically I'd say the movie is already finished... I wonder if overseas can help push a 3rd movie out of this franchise.

Not that I want one. Keep Nic Cage away from this character in future.

[BigThor]

He actually did pretty good in the film in alot people's opinion, it was the script and the paper thin plot that was it's undoing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^IMO the directors didnt help either, they should have gotten much better directors for this as these have just never been good IMO.

At 15% on RT is this the worst review CBM ever? Or does that honour still lie with Jonah Hex?

[Riding Ghost]

he switched the numbers around. Yeah... :up:

lol

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

^IMO the directors didnt help either, they should have gotten much better directors for this as these have just never been good IMO.

At 15% on RT is this the worst review CBM ever? Or does that honour still lie with Jonah Hex?

No... I think that lies with both Catwoman and Elektra at 10%.

[AlexanderMoon]

^IMO the directors didnt help either, they should have gotten much better directors for this as these have just never been good IMO.

At 15% on RT is this the worst review CBM ever? Or does that honour still lie with Jonah Hex?

GR : SOV is 14 % right now but others managed to do worse than it (for now) :

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1077027-batman_and_robin/ = 13%


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/ = 10%


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/elektra/ = 10%

It makes the first GR looking like a "good" comic book movie next to them IMO :

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/ = 27%

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Worldwide: $37,791,193

Well the movie may just about break even with its production budget if its lucky overseas. I assume the US takings will plummet this weekend.

[CaptainCraig]

It pulled in another $1m plus with yesterday totals.
Domestic is now $28m which brings its worldwide to $38.8m now

I'm hoping that Act of Valor is as bad as I'm hearing and that for action people opt for Ghost Rider: SOV. If it drops less than 65% I'd consider that a win since most movie sites are predicting a possible 70% drop.

[Snikt]

It took in roughly $2.3 million Friday for a WW total of $42 million...Nothing to jump up and down about, but looks like it should make it's budget back.

I saw the movie again last night; the theater wasn't packed, but there was still quite the crowd.

[Microchip]

Well, remember the studio only gets about half of that so it still has a ways to go. DVD sales FTW?

[rayc1971]

If it was mostly shot in Eastern Europe, yes....

But the budget is probably 75. Maybe it's now 57 with tax breaks and what not added in? I'll see this one on the base for 3 bucks. Or maybe in the theater in town. Dunno yet. Looks kinda cool.
okay maybe a tax break brung it down to 57mill still not gonna save it!

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm) fared much worse as it dropped 66 percent to an estimated $2.35 million. That's steeper than Ghost Rider (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm)'s 62 percent decline at the same point in its run. Through eight days, the comic book sequel has made a meager $31.4 million.

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3378&p=.htm

[Midnyte_Sun]

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3378&p=.htm

Womp womp.

[CaptainCraig]

This is an example of why it's best to let the weekend shake out. The tone of the article (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3379&p=.htm)reflecting the full weekend vs just Friday on GR:SOV is vastly different.

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm) plummeted 59 percent to $9 million in its second weekend in theaters. That's a bit worse than the first Ghost Rider (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm)'s 56 percent decline at the same point. Through 10 days, Spirit of Vengeance has earned $38 million, or less than half of Ghost Rider's $79 million

Frankly the writer, Ray Subers, uses contradicting terms in his own evaluation. Saying "plummeted" and "a bit worse" are vastly different descriptions. Especially when you place the numbers of 56% vs 59% there for all to see. GR:SOV held quite well in it's second weekend when compared to the first GR's second weekend. Meaning audience retention for the films is almost a wash.
A "plummet" would be if it fell off 65%+ and nearly dropped out of the top 10. With 4 new films opening wide to only lose 2 slots and drop to #6 is a good showing.
The new normal the last decade established was that frontloaded genre films see a 60-65% drop. GR:SOV managed to hold at just under that.

Note I don't pretend the film is suddenly going to have stellar legs mearly being objective, since apparently hyperbole is at play in it's reporting of the weekend, regarding how it's performed to date.

The first film scored just a bit over it's production budget had a satisfactory enough WW total to garner this sequel. The numbers are still in play, if roughly, for that scenario to possibly happen again. Depends on Sony's true expectations for the film and desire to retain the property in the end though.

[Drz]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm

Ghost Rider did incredibly overseas and has now made the profit of 83 million dollars, thus getting over it's budget and easily going double the budget of 50-60ish million budget. :)

[rayc1971]

this is still a turd i like how people try to sugar coat a bad movie!

[BigThor]

Not everyone thinks it's as bad as people are making it out to be, I actually found it quite enjoyable.

[Bruce Malone]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm

Ghost Rider did incredibly overseas and has now made the profit of 83 million dollars, thus getting over it's budget and easily going double the budget of 50-60ish million budget. :)

Comic book films need to do better domestically than overseas. Spiderman 3 has made the most money of any comic film overseas yet it is seen as a failure.

[Midnyte_Sun]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm

Ghost Rider did incredibly overseas and has now made the profit of 83 million dollars, thus getting over it's budget and easily going double the budget of 50-60ish million budget. :)

It has to make a little over a double to warrant a sequel...at least thats how it worked for the first one. So if the budget was 60..it has to make 120. Domestically it has yet to make its budget.

[BigThor]

Comic book films need to do better domestically than overseas. Spiderman 3 has made the most money of any comic film overseas yet it is seen as a failure.

It's only considered a failure in the comicbook community, it's not a failure critically and it's DEFINATELY not a failure financially.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

People blow the flaws of Spider-man 3 waaay out of proportion... it's a decent film that made ALOT of money.

ALOT.

[BigThor]

People blow the flaws of Spider-man 3 waaay out of proportion... it's a decent film that made ALOT of money.

ALOT.

Wayyyyy out of proportion, they do the same thing to Iron Man 2 just not as extreme.

[Snikt]

Wayyyyy out of proportion, they do the same thing to Iron Man 2 just not as extreme.

I think people tend to do this to A LOT of movies; especially comicbook/superhero films.

It takes a lot for me to hate a movie. I just have varying degrees of enjoyment with films.

I enjoyed Ghost Rider 2, Punisher: War Zone, X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3. But of these four, I rank them in this order:

X3, Punisher: War Zone, Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider 2. I'm just a fan of movies in general.

I respect everyone's opinion. But I can enjoy movies such as Aliens, The Departed and The Descendents as well as brainless movies like Crank and Transformers.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Wayyyyy out of proportion, they do the same thing to Iron Man 2 just not as extreme.

I absolutely LOVED TIH...so much so that I bought it..twice. I have a DVD copy and now a Blu-Ray copy. Watching that movie with a surround sound system is just awesome.

[BigThor]

I absolutely LOVED TIH...so much so that I bought it..twice. I have a DVD copy and now a Blu-Ray copy. Watching that movie with a surround sound system is just awesome.

I love TIH as well, it's a pretty underrated film in my opinion.

[rayc1971]

Comic book films need to do better domestically than overseas. Spiderman 3 has made the most money of any comic film overseas yet it is seen as a failure.
true the domestic number is where the sequel will hppen or not! its funny when a movie is doing bad people ignore the domestic number nd throw the worldwide or overseas number at you!:doh:

[BigThor]

true the domestic number is where the sequel will hppen or not! its funny when a movie is doing bad people ignore the domestic number nd throw the worldwide or overseas number at you!:doh:

No :dry:

Studios recieve around 45% of the foreign grosses and 55% of the domestic grosses nowadays, several films have sequels that are made because of phenomenal foreign grosses.

[rayc1971]

No :dry:

Studios recieve around 45% of the foreign grosses and 55% of the domestic grosses nowadays, several films have sequels that are made because of phenomenal foreign grosses.
thats true for some films like terminator 3 and mi3. but look at the golden compass did well foriegn gross did bad domestic gross no sequels! green lantern bad domestic gross sequel not happening.i will give you tin tin because the foriegn gross is phenomenal but ghostrider is done until they reboot it down the line!

[BigThor]

thats true for some films like terminator 3 and mi3. but look at the golden compass did well foriegn gross did bad domestic gross no sequels! green lantern bad domestic gross sequel not happening.i will give you tin tin because the foriegn gross is phenomenal but ghostrider is done until they reboot it down the line!

That's fine by me, since I actually want to see a Ghost Rider film that is recieved postively by the critics & GA.

[rayc1971]

That's fine by me, since I actually want to see a Ghost Rider film that is recieved postively by the critics & GA.
agreed! we need a rated r version with a good script and director!

[Midnyte_Sun]

45 Million Domestic so far. 57 Million International.

Please god I hope there are no more sequels.

[rayc1971]

45 Million Domestic so far. 57 Million International.

Please god I hope there are no more sequels.
i think we are safe at this point! they might reboot down the road another 5 years!

[actionavenue]

Hear ye hear ye! With our movie debuting in theatres everywhere JUST NEXT WEEK, I think it's time we all officially weigh in on how much this bad boy will make!

Now, this is for the ENTIRE DOMESTIC THEATRICAL RUN, so we aren't factoring in DVD sales, or worldwide sales. We can follow the fun on sites like Box Office Mojo. Now vote!

http://watchghostrider2online.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ghost-Rider-Spirit-of-Vengeance.jpg

I voted for the $31 to 50M. Look, I like Ghost Rider. In fact, I am one of the few people I know in my circle who didn't hate the first movie. That being said, GR does not have the broad appeal that other characters do, like say, Spiderman, Batman or Captain America.
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[CaptainCraig]

45 Million Domestic so far. 57 Million International.

Please god I hope there are no more sequels.
I wouldn't say that just yet.
It's worldwide total is now $103.4m (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=ghostrider2.htm)with more to come on both domestic and international fronts.

There is probably another $5-8m domestic in the tank and twice that internationally.

Would Cage push for another film though if Sony is wavering on sequel, reboot or let the rights go?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Domestic is a lot more important than international still though. The influence of international numbers is growing but domestic is still prime when it comes to deciding sequels.

Cage would probably go for another one as he is a big fan of the character, but I personally dont want Sony to bother anymore.

[CaptainCraig]

Domestic does not still hold that power. I'd say it's a case by case basis but Domestic has long since stopped being "a lot more important". There wouldn't be a Narnia franchise if that were true, nor would Resident Evil have kept going. Underworld looks to be falling into that camp also now but we very, very likely will get another one there also.

Not saying International will turn the tide or keep it going at Sony in some form but domestic is no longer "a lot more important".

[Snikt]

Domestic does not still hold that power. I'd say it's a case by case basis but Domestic has long since stopped being "a lot more important". There wouldn't be a Narnia franchise if that were true, nor would Resident Evil have kept going. Underworld looks to be falling into that camp also now but we very, very likely will get another one there also.

Not saying International will turn the tide or keep it going at Sony in some form but domestic is no longer "a lot more important".

Agreed. Look at Real steel. People liked it, but it took in $85 million domestic. But when you add international, it took in close to $300 million.

International has become very important.

[BigThor]

Domestic does not still hold that power. I'd say it's a case by case basis but Domestic has long since stopped being "a lot more important". There wouldn't be a Narnia franchise if that were true, nor would Resident Evil have kept going. Underworld looks to be falling into that camp also now but we very, very likely will get another one there also.

Not saying International will turn the tide or keep it going at Sony in some form but domestic is no longer "a lot more important".

Yeah studios get around 45% of internation grosses and 55% from domestic grosses, so they're both very important especially if the international gross is much higher than the domestic gross.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Domestic does not still hold that power. I'd say it's a case by case basis but Domestic has long since stopped being "a lot more important". There wouldn't be a Narnia franchise if that were true, nor would Resident Evil have kept going. Underworld looks to be falling into that camp also now but we very, very likely will get another one there also.

Not saying International will turn the tide or keep it going at Sony in some form but domestic is no longer "a lot more important".

I think you are uner-valueing DVD/BD sales with those franchises though. No sequels for those movies were confirmed until the DVD/BD had been out for a few weeks.

Agreed. Look at Real steel. People liked it, but it took in $85 million domestic. But when you add international, it took in close to $300 million.

International has become very important.

But do you hear any news of a Real Steel sequel? Nope, DVD/BD sales have been excellent and still there is no news of one. I loved RS and would love to see another one but there hasnt been anything.

[Snikt]

They're already writing a script. But it depends on Hugh Jackman, cuz apparently he's got a busy schedule

[CaptainCraig]

I think you are uner-valueing DVD/BD sales with those franchises though. No sequels for those movies were confirmed until the DVD/BD had been out for a few weeks.
You are moving the goal posts, trying salvage your 'point'.
You are adding a new qualifer to our discussion.

For Narnia you are right, DVD sales had been out for awhile before Fox agreed to pick up the franchise from Disney.

For Resident Evil though that wasn't the case. A fifth film was announced, and script underway before it went to DVD. Milla's twitter feed was all about it.

Ghost Rider doing well internationally is going to give SONY options. They may wait for DVD sales as further support BUT international numbers will be what allows a sequel or reboot to even be on the table for discussion in the first place.
A) Do a third, the decide to keep/reboot after a trilogy wrap
B) Reboot now in the 5yr window
C) Let it fall back to Marvel seems unlikely at this point

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They're already writing a script. But it depends on Hugh Jackman, cuz apparently he's got a busy schedule

Really? Well thats awesome, love that movie, I have been looking for sequel news and couldnt find any.

You are moving the goal posts, trying salvage your 'point'.
You are adding a new qualifer to our discussion.

For Narnia you are right, DVD sales had been out for awhile before Fox agreed to pick up the franchise from Disney.

For Resident Evil though that wasn't the case. A fifth film was announced, and script underway before it went to DVD. Milla's twitter feed was all about it.

Ghost Rider doing well internationally is going to give SONY options. They may wait for DVD sales as further support BUT international numbers will be what allows a sequel or reboot to even be on the table for discussion in the first place.
A) Do a third, the decide to keep/reboot after a trilogy wrap
B) Reboot now in the 5yr window
C) Let it fall back to Marvel seems unlikely at this point

The Resident Evil movies are extremely low budget, lower than even GR:SOV as far as I believe so that may also be a factor. DVD/BD ARE a big factor for studio's regarding sequels, they have been for a while and plenty of movies have gotten sequels solely based on them. But rather than keep arguing on this, we'll see what happens. Personally unless the current international numbers more than double I dont see us getting another movie. Which considering Sony's attitude towards the franchise isnt the saddest news.

[Snikt]

Really? Well thats awesome, love that movie, I have been looking for sequel news and couldnt find any.

Here's the link for you :woot:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/shawn_levy_talks_real_steel_sequel_fantastic_voyag e_and_frankenstein

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Thanks for the link, but you do realise that this article is from BEFORE the movie was released dont you?

Lots of movies start writing sequels before the release of the first movie but plenty get scrapped because of the BO. Green Lantern being a very recent one.

[Snikt]

^Thanks for the link, but you do realise that this article is from BEFORE the movie was released dont you?

Lots of movies start writing sequels before the release of the first movie but plenty get scrapped because of the BO. Green Lantern being a very recent one.

I do. But the movie did very well. Plus, that time of year was pretty slow for films in general. I remember reading September, October and November had record lows as far as attendance goes.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Well the fact we have heard nothing about a sequel since doesnt fill me with confidence. I hope we get an RS2 as I loved the movie, but no announcement by now isnt a good thing.

[CaptainCraig]

Well in it's 4th weekend GR:SOV finally fell out of the top 10 but it did raise it's domestic total to $48m (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm) and WorldWide total up to $105m. International updates on Tuesday should be interesting to see. :ghost:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

So a profitable endeavour on the surface... but clearly nothing Sony wants to shout about. I was thinking it might break even domestically but it looks like its US run is pretty much done.

Oh well...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well in it's 4th weekend GR:SOV finally fell out of the top 10 but it did raise it's domestic total to $48m (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm) and WorldWide total up to $105m. International updates on Tuesday should be interesting to see. :ghost:

Domestically I cant see it going on much longer now, maybe another $2-3 million max, we'll see what happens with the international numbers.

[Reaper]

Ok Hype, guess you can go ahead and close the Ghost Rider forums now. I think we all get it. Neveldine/taylor delivered the final death blow to the Ghost Rider franchise. The latest GR comics suck and there is generally NOTHING redeeming about GR at this point.

Im gonna try to get past all the tumble weed and find my way out

[Drz]

The Venom story featuring Ghost Rider was kick-ass.

[Microchip]

So a profitable endeavour on the surface... but clearly nothing Sony wants to shout about. I was thinking it might break even domestically but it looks like its US run is pretty much done.

Oh well...

Oh well... is pretty much what I said after watching this movie.

[CaptainCraig]

Ok Hype, guess you can go ahead and close the Ghost Rider forums now. I think we all get it. Neveldine/taylor delivered the final death blow to the Ghost Rider franchise. The latest GR comics suck and there is generally NOTHING redeeming about GR at this point.

Im gonna try to get past all the tumble weed and find my way out
Slow the roll.

No one disputes the movie could've done better but it is far from a disaster...at least financially.
It'll hit $50m in a few days, yes shy it's production budget and not by much, but we need to see where this lands worldwide.
Sony may yet decide on more GR.

These forums need not yet be closed. News on it's future at Sony will forthcoming and for that we should keep these to discuss such matters.

[Snikt]

And apparently, according to N/T Twitter account, the movie is closing on on $150 million WW. And it's yet to open on Uganda.

[Snikt]

Well...the box office numbers have been updated. It's up to $122 million worldwide. So it's more than doubled it's $57 million production budget. And I believe it still hasn't opened in a few countries.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Despite all this... I don't think Sony will want to suddenly leap into a third movie.

-It wasn't capable of breaking even domestically
-It's foreign run isn't as impressive as many would like to think, but it will keep it out of the red considerably if future territories goes well.
-It hasn't done much to strenghen the brand of the character... if anything its tarnished it.

DVD/Blu-ray may as usual save the day, but this entire movie in every aspect is far from a success.

[rayc1971]

Despite all this... I don't think Sony will want to suddenly leap into a third movie.

-It wasn't capable of breaking even domestically
-It's foreign run isn't as impressive as many would like to think, but it will keep it out of the red considerably if future territories goes well.
-It hasn't done much to strenghen the brand of the character... if anything its tarnished it.

DVD/Blu-ray may as usual save the day, but this entire movie in every aspect is far from a success.
i think they will reboot it down the road in 5 yrs.

[CaptainCraig]

With Thursday's daily totals it crossed the $50m domestic. About a week-10days longer than I had initially thought it would do it but it did it.

I'm curious to see what Sony does with this now.
It's WW numbers keep this in the black, especially since it's not quite done.
Another couple million domestic at least. Probably be around $130m WW.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I just cant see them wanting to continue it, the franchise hasnt made them a massive profit so they must be thinking is it really worth it?

[The Morningstar]

Man I knew Cage was crazy, but check this out. It's footage of him fighting with some paparazzi outside his house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[CaptainCraig]

It managed to click up another $1m+ domestically.
It's now at $51.1m domestic and $127.2m worldwide (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm). Can it get to $130m WW? On a $57m budget the numbers are still in Sony's favor.

I'm going to be curious to see what their plan/strategy is going to be with the franchise. The DVD is up for pre-order at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Rider-Vengeance-Nicolas-Cage/dp/B005LAIGW8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334100392&sr=8-1) for $22.00 and due for a June release.

My guess is they will want to see how sells and rentals go for the film in the secondary market as a means to bolster whatever route they choose to go.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I still think this movie just wasn't worth Sony's time, money or effort...

[BigThor]

^ How, it's not a huge success but it was profitable considering it's budget.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^But at the same time not really anything to shout about, its currently made minimal profit and probably wont make much more, I certainly dont see them doing a 3rd movie.

[CaptainCraig]

In fairness, and for comparisons sake, the first one only made minimal profit at the box office.
Now maybe they use the manta Fool me once...
However, some studios are fine with minimal as long as it's profit. Otherwise franchises such as Underworld and Resident Evil wouldn't also continue to be produced.

It could happen, it could and that is what makes following it a bit fun. The not knowing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^GR needs bigger budgets than the likes of RE and Underworld though, mainly because the main character needs a lot of CGI. The effects were good in SOV, but lets face it, everyone felt there wasnt enough GR in the movie, and that everything else looked and felt really cheap.

I think a more elaborate and effects-heavy villain would be required for a sequel as well, as the ante would need to be sufficiently upped.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think the biggest question is... did this installment propel the franchise forward and give any significance to the character for popular culture?

probably not.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Well, I think if anything, it made the character more of a joke to the GA than the previous movie did, lots of people preferred the 1st one, although its about half and half with people who preferred the 2nd also.

It all depends on Sony, at the moment the movie has made just over $100 million less than the first on a budget reduced by $58, if that enough of a profit margin for Sony? Thats the big question here. The first movie actually did very well on DVD, I cant see SOv doing the same personally.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Movie is up to £129 million WW now, will possibly make it to $130, the with DVD/BD sales Sony MIGHT make another one, if they do, I hope they keep the Crank guys far, FAR away from it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Movie is up to £129 million WW now, will possibly make it to $130, the with DVD/BD sales Sony MIGHT make another one, if they do, I hope they keep the Crank guys far, FAR away from it.

[CaptainCraig]

The film has officially hit $130m (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider2.htm) Worldwide with the newest weekend totals.
I think it may have closed domestically as there are no daily totals since April 15th.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yeah I think domestically it is finished, and I think internationally it will be soon as well, cant see it making much more.

[Midnyte_Sun]

The Blu-Ray is coming out in June 12, 2012, I think the movie is done.

On the plus side, Nev/Taylor have moved on and are working on another Rated R movie.